What a wonderful gift on this Memorial Day weekend! Thank you Javabeans and Girlfriday. I absolutely love your podcasts -especially when soju and makgeolli is involved.

Aww.. this is my first time listening to your podcast :) How wonderful. The first song is nice. Now I'm returning to your podcast again. Good night in advance from the Asian part of the world.

Ohno. A reminder to the dramas I have yet to finish or decided not to because I don't wanna say goodbye T_T But thank you for this JB and GF!

Awesome!!!! This is great.

Confession time, this is the first podcast I'm listening to, but you two have such lovely voices :) So I'm gonna grab a drink really quick and pretend (in a non creepy way?) that I'm part of this conversation :D

Yayy! Excited to listen to this.

Wondering if you guys cover all dramas recapped in podcasts, and if so, whether Hwarang will be covered? Thanks!

That post header, that podcast and that song. Jump in happiness (و ˃̵ᴗ˂̵)و and run back to my sanctuary @ ?the party? ?.

Thanks javabeans and girlfriday! ??

Listening to the SWDBS segment right now (since it's the only one I've watched lol) and I'm really loving your podcasts! The last time I've listened to one was two months ago, the one with 1% of Anything.

Off topic but it's REALLY bothering me: does anyone know the drama that has a character (mom) who loves to segregate the bottle caps from the community's trash can? And there was also the girl who did those and the mother was really impressed?

Love all the good things Javabeans and Girlfriday had to say about The Liar and His Lover. It was a good drama to watch with my husband, he loved the music in it. I couldn't make him watch Strong Woman Do Bong Soo for all the reasons you talked about. I enjoyed the couples' chemistry a lot and didn't mind the extraneous other parts, but he couldn't stand it. If I have to make him watch a romance, it has to be less-romance focused like Liar and contain good parts that are not about romance, unfortunately.

Yesssss I was just hoping another podcast would come and voila! The genie answered my wish lol off to listen to them now ??

The first thing I checked was the timing, and looks like Liar has the longest segment. Heh. Nice treat. I'm anticipating it.

YAY!! was waiting for this, thank you!

Will you two be recapping a drama again soon? I miss it.

On SWDBS " I love that show and for me it was just awww."

Me too, Girlfriday & Javabeans, me too.

Downloaded it! Jumped right to the part where you guys talked about tomorrow with you. I know it had a lot of flaws, but I really liked the romance part of the story. It just felt different to me from the usual kdrama chirpy, bright, innocent romance (which I totally enjoy as well). I still remember lots of scenes from the drama vividly. Like when ma rin will tell so joon In the hospital that she doesn't feel like she could share it with him whenever things get tough for her and then he would go to the future to bring whatever she wants but they would only make up after he tells her about his past (which is what she wanted all along). Then when she would tell him that the person right in front of him is her and that future ma rin (when she tells him to go back and break up with her) is another woman and will set her mother on him telling he cheated, lol. I felt like we finally got a heroine who took her happiness Into her own hands (but then she'll end up being a noble idiot too, so *face palm*). Then when so joon will start being a noble idiot, she will leave and go to her friend's house, they will talk about something and she will cry saying that he ate her food without complaining. I bought their romance. I feel like I could tell a lot of scenes like this. I guess the things I liked about this drama outweighed the things I didn't like (like you guys mentioned, the mystery surrounding the time travel wasn't written well and I totally didn't get why ma rin's dad had to die or the part where so joon will go to coma) and I will always remember it fondly. Anyway, thank you for the podcast!

I'm starting the Liar segment... and so far, I agree, it's not a juvenile drama by any means, or romance-centric. Like you said, the romance is part of the coming-of-age process. Although I did love it. The romance I mean. Mainly because as individuals they were great people, and seeing them being giddy (even the man, how refreshing is that!) together was cute. I also love how much they relied on and trusted each other.

I came for Liar. :D

can I just say I love this podcast to bits? it's so comforting, I can't wait to listen to it after I'm done with my errands today. thank you guys so much <3

SWDBS no words i just love the show and I'm happy that you ladies enjoyed it too and true that it doesn't really deserve all the rude comments but then you can never please everyone who think that a drama has to have a lesson to be learn for it to be consider good.

Wait but didn't she still shove him and he fell? #SWDBS

Oooo, this is a drunk podcast?! Hehehe, maybe I should be saving it for after my friend's b-day dinner tonight. Honestly, I don't think I can wait though. So, after listening:

I will say that, with Introverted Boss, it's not even a problem of seeming like Oh Hae Young Again to me because this PD did those things with Marriage Not Dating too. In fact, I'd say that was the show that most often came to mind to me because of the reunion between actor, writer, and PD. I admit, I was hoping for more of a comparison between these shows because they're from the same writer and, though there were flaws in MnD, I just adored it so much from a writing perspective that I could hardly believe IB came from the same person. Maybe because the writer was trying for something more angsty like Oh Hae Young Again? I don't even think the PD's style is necessarily the problem (though he does need to switch up the BGM and change it up a little a bit) because OHYA and MnD proved that shows with a similar feel and sound effects can still be satisfying in their own right.

I have other thoughts, but also an adorable niece that just woke up so I'll be off! I'm saving TLAHL for later, because I love it so much I didn't want to get interrupted while listening.

Thanks for the podcast!

Yess, thank you so much you two! I love going for a long walk to relax and listen to the podcasts, so how convenient you released it on a holiday!

-- The idol girl in introverted boss is Secret's (same group as the girl in My Secret Romance) Jung Hye Sung. I think she might be the better actress out of the two.

--- Same with javabeans. I don't want to waste more hours watching a drama I no longer care about. I'd rather just read the recap (which is where you come in...) if I'm curious about anything, and then jump to that segment if I get the urge to watch it happen, instead of just reading about it.

I love Um Ki Joon as the teacher in Dream High and Special Investigation Team (good drama).

--- I agree about how the hero didn't really use his time traveling advantage all the wisely or efficiently. Although as a shopaholic, I'm drooling at the thought of using time travel to shop.

=== Your image of Joo Won as a little boy having to be taught about love by BoA is somewhat hysterical. I need to watch that love talk show asap.

---- Personally, the problem with Strong Woman wasn't the expectations, it was how much I didn't care about the silly side stories and characters (except for the gay manager and his doppelganger in the hospital and the secretary).

They were comic reliefs, but it stopped being funny when I wasn't emotionally invested in any of them 10 episodes in. Their own little show felt disconnected from the best part of the show, which is the main couple, so I lost that interest with them. That said, it was still a drama I enjoyed watching a lot so it's not as if it's a bad drama. It could have just been better with tighter writer and less fillers.

I liked the absurd humor so I personally didn't have an issue with the level of it. I wasn't expecting an intellectual show. I just thought the gag scenes were dragged on for a little too long time-wise within a scene, and throughout the drama. It wasn't a matter of the level or material given, just its execution. I liked the flying kicks, I like the poop joke the first and second time around, but by the time we got to the temple, I couldn't bring myself to care about how stupid the gangsters were, so I stopped finding myself laughing at it. It was a running joke going on for too long to a marathon. I would have liked it better if it took a smaller part of the show OR felt connected a bit more to the main storyline, which I loved.

---- You caught my interest when you said everybody is well thought out in Father is strange. It's what I loved about Liar, and now, I have to watch a week-end family show because you said that. You owe me a coffee treat for the lack of sleep I'm going to get trying to catch up to that show.

About family dramas, I like the High Kick series best. I also liked one of IU's family dramas (I forgot the name), and Yoona's debut family drama.

--- My mood just got suddenly way up and I got happy and preppy as soon as the Liar Lover OST played in the podcast. That's how much of a trash I am for this show.

I agree that Liar is like Healer with a disproportionate...

I've never seen Lee Je Hoon or Joo Won as asexual -- Lee Je Hoon especially was really heart-fluttering in Tomorrow With You to me -- but I have that problem with Do Kyung Soo and Im Si Wan, so I'm already predicting I won't be able to reconcile his romance in The King Loves. Do Kyung Soo and Im Si Wan just look too young and too innocent to know what love is to me.

You would have to like, you know, young people.

ROFL ?

well, this podcast confirms that JB & GF read comments are aware of what is said around town. I don't know what to do with that information...

I know you allotted the longest time to TLAHL, but I still wished you talked more about it. I want to hear about Sooyeon and Shihyun, the adorable best-ever teacher, the scenes with grandma and their little dances and singing sessions and and hugs, or what your favorite tracks in the soundtrack was.

It might not be a perfect drama if I try hard enough to come up with its flaws, but it did everything so well above expectations. Not just expectations for this drama specifically, just drama expectations in general. No caricature big bad villain, no one is even evil. Young but mature couple who talks things out. A hero who squeals when he receives a text and is completely besotted with the girl. Music that isn't just a gimmick but actually used in the narrative. And so many other things. The one I am most impressed by, is how I didn't feel the usual second half slump and lull in the narrative. Even my top most favorite dramas had their slump, tho admittedly, I was too into them by that point to care about it emotionally, even if I intellectually knew what that was. This drama didn't have that, the narrative kept going on and peaked in the later half. That's what I'm most thankful for.
And Crude Play. I'm a fan.

I'm a lurker making my rare comment because Javabeans made my Monday, and probably my week, when she said that Liar was "just legitimately good," no qualifiers.

You didn't recap it and I had no idea what your thoughts were on it. I didn't know what I would get. I confess, I was very nervous when I clicked on the podcast.

Hearing Javabeans say Joy was "really good" felt like a huge burden taken off my chest. I was worried you would find her bad since because of her idol label. I agree with you about the acting, my favorite performances were from CEO Yoo, Choi Min Soo, Lee Jung Jin, Lee Hyun Woo and Joy. Lee Seo Won too, but he wasn't in my good graces so I couldn't appreciate it fully. I loved his character Jik 100%, but unlike Javabeans, didn't have the "residual good feelings" about him until they came back when he had dinner at Sorim's house. I didn't think Mush & Co had what it took to carry the heavier emotional scenes, but their scenes didn't require much gravitas anw so I didn't mind. The milk drinking bit defines just what they are to me, cutely silly even when dumped and heartbroken.

I actually have loved Lee Je-hoon in a romance before with Yeon Woo-jin. It's a short movie, even shorter than a drama. Pretty sure it was YWJ's debut work. Thoughtful, sweet and worth the watch. They honestly had really adorable chemistry. And maybe because we skip the "falling in love" portion and just get a piece of their life as a couple, it was easier for Lee Je-hoon to portray. There were a few promising moments in Tomorrow With You, like the scene when he brushed soot off Shin Mina's face, that also have me thinking that he could still do well in this area with stronger writing.

Also, I have to say, I still think Kim Myung-min was adorable with Nam Sang-mi in Bad Family, even though I know that couple's chemistry was far from fire-hot. Haha, they were just so cute and funny.

Interestingly, thinking about Joo-won and how an actor's life influences chemistry within their dramas got me thinking about Kang Ha-neul. He seems so pure off-screen that I'm often surprised by how convincing his chemistry is already, with Nam Ji-hyun and even with Kang Sora and IU. It's part of why I'm so curious about seeing him in a rom-com.

I've often said that part of why I love SWDBS is because it never it took itself too seriously! It did bother me at points, but it always found ways to make up for it. Yet, still, deep down, there were a few things I wanted that I just didn't get. Maybe because I felt the characters were so wonderful together that, after eps 7&8, I wanted them to work together more like they did way towards the end, so it actually reached my expectations, just not to the degree I would have liked. But you make a great point about how it was pretty successful at being what it aimed to be. I ultimately just loved the leads to bits.

And, ugh, I'm sorry. I think I just teared up a bit at that "You can't compete with Park Hyung-shik". I have just always believed in this kid since Nine and Sirius. I'm so happy he found this character and is getting all this recognition!

lol, girls, that innocent-Joowon shade. XD

This is my first time listening podcasts and you ladies have lovely voices. Your review over The Liar and his lover is just like how we spazzed over in The liar and his lover threads, some are loving CY and some are rolling eyes at him. We had so much fun.

Is there a way to put the podcast up like your Team Dramabeans post so it's easier to see? I used to be able to know right away when a podcast is out with the old website blog view, but the Extra section is not the most eye-catching section, and I more often than not skim through it without really looking. I only didn't miss this one because of the picture. I missed the last one by nearly a week late.

I didn't find Whisper as bad as that, maybe not as emotional as Defendant, but not bad enough that I find it boring by any means.

As for that little musical dramas, I love it to bits. It's rare to find a drama which can make me feel happy during, and happy about its ending. It kept the ending feeling realistic, as was the drama, but was still a feel-good ending. I felt very very good and happy for all indeed.

Aw, I was anticipating what you had to say about Rebel and my girl Chae Soo Bin. She was underutilized but I was proud of her.

I like the music in that drama too. One of the few romance dramas I could be made to finish. Funny how my favorite korean dramas tend to be the ones with romance, but not many romance korean dramas are dramas I like.

Nice, looking forward to listening to it during work. Especially that last part.

Good to see that JB & GF are as fallible as the rest of us mortal to the shipping disorder. For some reason, I never pegged them as shippers. It was great listening to their segment about Hyungsik and Boyoung. :)

I might love LAHL more as a drama than SWDBS, but the couple in SWDBS takes the couple award for sure. They had more kisses for one. Yes, call me a pervert if you want. I make no apologies. Hee.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one who wanted some romance with Gyo-ri (Jeon Hyo-sung) and Hwan-ki. I only watched the first two episodes of Introverted Boss but their little brief moments were far better than Ro-woon and Hwan-ki's. And that's a good example of good chemistry.

Thank you @javabeans and @girlfriday.. this is my first time listening to podcast.. honestly, I listened to it just because The Liar and His Lover.. and i'm glad you guys like it too ???

I love that you guys just sidetracked to talk about Joo Won for a few minutes :))))) love him!

I wanted to watch SWDBS but got discouraged by a lot of things so I only saw cuts of Park Bo-young and Park Hyung-shik but after listening to this podcast, I'm gonna queue it right in!

And I guess it's good that I really passed on TWY. I couldn't even be bothered to read the recaps (although I still read them, just not enthusiastically). And I gotta watch The Liar and His Lover ASAP!

Wonderful podcast, @javabeans and @girlfriday! Esp the tangent to Joo Won hahaha

You started the podcast with disclaimers "drunk podcasts" and "we don't know how far we can get". :))))))))))))) I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I loved TLAHL. Until now I still can't get over it. Im a bit sad and disappointed though that it didn't do well ratings-wise in Korea when its so popular everywhere else!

Totally agree about the age thing when it comes to family dramas. When I first got into them I only watched the cutest romance ones. And 6 years later family dramas are my crack. They're so simple, heartwarming and what I look forward to every week

I love this podcast. Not just because of TLAHL. Though that, of course, was the best part for me. Reading all the bad reviews, not just bad, but polar opposite from my observations, made me question my sanity. I can usually take bad reviews pretty well because they're a matter of taste and emotional connection to the drama on a personal level. But when the reviews addressed all the points I thought were objectively common ground, basically the quality grade, not the how much I liked it grade from your old ratings system, I just wondered if I became so blind I couldn't see all the apparently glaring offenses that made this drama a blotch in the drama landscape. So it's good to hear from the point of view of you two, since you didn't have as much of a bias coming in (or maybe a slight negative bias from what I'm hearing in the podcast?).

I'll have to start Father is Strange. Javabeans sure sold it well. The plot sounds surprisingly interesting, and I'm really curious about how "strange" the father is acting. I have all sorts of scenarios in my mind. Strange is a broad range of behaviors, and I have to know what the acting performance is like. I'm trusting you javabeans. Let's try this!

Honestly, I watched SWDBS because of Minhyuk and Bongsoon, and not much of anyone else in the show, not even Ji Soo (though his giving up scene was wonderfully done). The others were just like the ornaments of to the Minhyuk-Bongsoon cake, you know, the ornaments that were there to make it look more presentable and didn't taste like much. The cake though, was delicious goodness, and every time they were together, my inner squee monster came out.

Unlike many though, I didn't take the show seriously, so I didn't take much offense to the show not trying to bring in some meaningful messages, nor did I find much of a problem with the "problematic jokes." They were just too silly to take seriously so I just waved that away. It's a show where you turn your brain off to watch it, so I had no reason to find offense to much of anything and was able to find them amusing. On the flip side, because I turned by brain off during any scenes that didn't have Minhyuk and Bongsoon in them, I was mildly amused with them, but just so, and nothing more. I didn't miss them when they weren't there.

And strangely enough, I can totally see how Joo Won and BoA ended up together. I don't know what exactly makes me say that, just this vague impression that they're somewhat similar in terms physical traits, and vibe they're projecting.

Introverted Boss - I've avoided bringing it up but I couldn't get over the fact that the sister was coerced into sex with a guy she didn't like because she didn't know how to say know. I fully read that as a rape scene (date rape but rape) and then the show decided the rapist needed to be redeemed without ever recognizing those scenes as rape. Really bothers me the more I think about it.

Yay another podcast! Thank you so much javabeans and girlfriday! May I say that you made my day just by hearing that you both loved SWDBS! I agreed with all your comments about the show and wish that there was a dedicated podcast just for SWDBS...

Popular shojo remakes (BOF, Playful kiss, Nodame, etc.), and new idol actors don't exactly get the glowing reviews on Dramabeans, on the contrary. And when Beanies hype up dramas with a young ensemble cast full of idols like Moon Lovers, Sassy Go Go, Playful Kiss, Heirs, etc., JB & GF are usually the ones to give damper reviews to balance it out....

Liar was a combination of all three, the triple despised combination on dramabeans, so I fully expected to hear that JB & GF didn't enjoy it much and was getting myself ready for damper reviews. I knew being a musical drama didn't guarantee a good review, because Dream High 2 didn't get it, neither did Naeil Cantabile, or even Persevere Gu-Haera. Those dramas I enjoyed to an extent too.

It totally came as a pleasant surprise that you shared Beanies opinion this time, and pointed out exactly the same comments about it... Did you stalk us? :)

I agree that The Liar's main draw wasn't the thrills of unpredictability. Not even about the romance, just about everything. It was never about what would happen, it was about how enjoyable the venture into their world was. They were interesting, likable people you wanted to spend some of your time with each week and share the ups and downs of their lives, and you wanted to root for them to make it, because they all had something you wanted them to get.

And when they pleasantly surprise you with how they dealt with their setbacks, and when they got small victories, it made you happy. Even their mistakes were relateable ones, and you empathized with their flawed youthfulness. The music was an additional draw that made the time spent in their world even more pleasant. The family loyalty and camaraderie made you want to be part of it, even if vicariously through the drama, and the cute but no immature romance was one you could admire and respect, if not squeal about it (I did). It made for a really nice escape into a world that felt real, with its own problems, yet also beautifully fresh, young, hopeful and optimistic.

The moment I heard Yeowooya being played in the Podcast, I was immediately smiling from ear to ear.
I'm glad you like TLAHL, Javabeans and Girlfriday. :)

That was a really good podcast. I can listen to you ladies talk about dramas all day. It was nice to remember some of the dramas I enjoyed earlier this year! Can't wait for the next podcast!

Omg I'm cracking up at the comments on Joo Won ? but actually when I think about it, I do agree that it's hard to see him in a romantic light ? and Lee Je Hoon as well, his feelings towards shin min ah didn't feel genuine, so it was so hard to connect with the love story. Got me very frustrated.