Sassy Go Go: Episode 9
by LollyPip
Pressure affects people differently, pushing some to succeed and others to fail, and yet others to make decisions they might normally never make. As Yeol and Yeon-doo push Soo-ah to confess her wrongdoing, her behavior becomes more erratic and dangerous, to herself and those around her. It may be too late for repentance and redemption, as she sinks to levels so deep, she may never be able to find her way back.
EPISODE 9 RECAP
When Ha-joon finds Yeon-doo on the dark road, limping and crying, she dives into his arms. He holds her as she sobs in relief, but she suddenly becomes aware of their closeness and backs away. She stammers that the road was rough and scary, and Ha-joon smiles at her nervousness.
Back at the campsite, Yeol roars at Soo-ah — he knows she left Yeon-doo alone in town with no transportation. Soo-ah lies that she thought Yeon-doo told her to go back, so Yeol gets right to the point. She thought Yeon-doo was the one with the video of Soo-ah stealing the USB, didn’t she? He says she’s wrong, and that if Yeon-doo is hurt, she’s dead.
Ha-joon bikes himself and Yeon-doo back towards the campsite, but the road is bumpy and they take a spill. He uses his bandanna to wrap her bleeding knee, though by now Yeon-doo has her fighting spirit back and says she’s fine. Inside of pedaling, Ha-joon lets Yeon-doo sit on the bike while he pushes it, which is the cutest thing ever.
Teacher Yang and Yeol drive around looking for Yeon-doo, and Yang asks what he and Soo-ah were talking about before. Yeol just says he’ll tell him later.
The rest of the kids look for Yeon-doo on foot, so when Instructor Nam finally arrives, the place is in an uproar. The kids all come back, but now they realize that Soo-ah is missing. She’s in the tent, freaking right out about Yeol’s statement that Yeon-doo didn’t send her the video.
Teacher Yang and Yeol come upon Ha-joon pushing Yeon-doo on the bike, and Yeol immediately starts yelling at her. He’s really more worried than angry, and he fusses over her injuries while Ha-joon looks on awkwardly.
They get her back to the campsite safely and all the kids breathe a sigh of relief. Yeon-doo declines to say what happened, promising to tell them when it’s sorted out.
Yeol finds Soo-ah pacing in front of her tent, where he asks her if she knows that they found Yeon-doo. He asks if she’s curious what Yeon-doo might say, but Soo-ah only repeats that she thought Yeon-doo wanted her to leave.
So Yeol invites Soo-ah to come to the campfire and come clean… about the USB, and what happened to Yeon-doo tonight. She continues to insist on her innocence, but Yeol tells her it’s all over.
He and Ha-joon had watched the CCTV video that Ha-joon downloaded from the security room, and seen her taking the USB when Teacher Im dropped it. Yeol visited the security company before her tutor asked them to delete the video, and he’d borrowed Yeon-doo’s sticky notes to bait Soo-ah.
Yeol and Soo-ah hear a voice — it’s Yeon-doo, and she’s heard Yeol’s story. She asks why Soo-ah left her behind, saying that she would have let it slide if Soo-ah had a good reason. But now, she can’t do that, because she knows Soo-ah will never change.
Soo-ah goes all Who do you think you are?, but Yeon-doo is just so done. She asks if Soo-ah even knows why she and Yeol are angry — she framed Yeol for stealing the USB and abandoned Yeon-doo in the middle of nowhere, but what’s worse is that she doesn’t even feel any remorse.
Soo-ah haughtily asks Yeon-doo what she’s going to do about it. Yeon-doo warns her to watch and see… starting tonight she won’t be able to get away with this kind of thing anymore. Soo-ah stammers a bit at that, but her pride won’t let her show her fear, even when Yeon-doo says that soon everyone will know about her, even her mother. Soo-ah fires back to Yeon-doo to do her worst, but she’ll never suffer because of someone like her.
When Soo-ah is gone, Yeol finally speaks, asking if Yeon-doo is okay — that outburst wasn’t like her. Yeon-doo wails that she’s tired of standing by and not doing anything, and she can’t let Soo-ah get away with her behavior anymore. So Yeol smiles and tells her to do what she needs to do. But he warns her not to do something she’ll regret.
Teacher Yang sings by the campfire later that night, but his moody songs bum the kids out. Both Yeol and Yeon-doo watch for Soo-ah to make an appearance, but she’s nervous and it takes her a while to join the group. The kids all crank up the tempo of Yang’s song and start to do their cheerleading routines to them, having a great time, but Soo-ah still looks miserable.
When it’s calmer, Yeol suggests they play the Truth Game, but the kids are reluctant to play in front of their teachers. The teachers get the hint and leave, though Teacher Im is so eager to play, they end up playing their own version in their tent. They argue about which of them has the harder time, and Teacher Im vents about Principal Choi throwing things at him and asking him if she looks fat. He wins, ha.
Back at the campfire, the real Truth Game commences. Ha-joon is asked who his first love is, but he takes punishment (a heart drawn on his cheek, hee) rather than answer. Yeol notices when Yeon-doo gives Ha-joon a thumbs-up and he smiles back shyly, and it seem to make him uncomfortable.
Ha-joon asks Dong-jae what his dream is, which Dong-jae says is to overcome his phobia of being touched. Da-mi asks how that started, and he tells them it was because of Yeon-doo. She was the little girl he pushed off the jungle gym, and it scared him when she was unconscious for three days afterwards (though she softly insists she’s fine now).
Since then, he’s been afraid of getting provoked and hurting someone badly. Hyo-shik sweetly reassures Dong-jae that he can conquer that fear, and nobody will get hurt.
Soo-ah starts to get up to leave, so Yeol quickly barks a question at her: Why did she ditch Yeon-doo? The kids are shocked at this, and start to get angry, but Yeon-doo interrupts to say that it was a communication error. She gives Soo-ah a pointed look, and Yeol smiles — Yeon-doo is back to herself.
He and Yeon-doo walk together later, and he asks if she feels better. She admits that for a while she wasn’t sure what she would do, but she figured that exposing Soo-ah in front of everyone wouldn’t make her feel better. She didn’t want to humiliate her in front of everyone.
Yeol teases that she made him the bad guy, but Yeon-doo knows that he did what he did for her, and that he didn’t enjoy it. That’s why he gave Soo-ah a chance to fess up on her own.
Soo-ah pulls Yeol aside to talk, and asks why he didn’t tell everyone the truth. He asks in turn if she noticed how Yeon-doo protected her, again. He warns Soo-ah that Yeon-doo won’t keep doing that, and Soo-ah begins to cry. Her mother would have killed her if she got second place again. She knows what she did was wrong, but she was desperate.
She asks Yeol for time to reveal everything herself, and to tell her mother and the school the truth. Yeol also wants an apology to Yeon-doo, which Soo-ah agrees to. Yeol is reluctant, but he gives her three days. After he walks away, Soo-ah wipes her tears, and her hard expression comes back — I knew it.
Once Yeol is alone, he thinks of how he saw Ha-joon pushing Yeon-doo on the bike, seeming jealous. Ha-joon also remembers being with Yeon-doo, and grins to himself to think of how she fell into his arms. Yeon-doo herself can’t sleep and goes out for fresh air, and all three of them wander the campsite, lost in their thoughts.
Yeon-doo finds Yeol, and he jokes that she couldn’t sleep for wanting to see him. That’s probably truer than he thinks. He complains that he wanted to spend a lot of time with her while away from the school, but she ended up disappearing.
He admits that he felt responsible, and that when he blew up at her, he was really angry with himself. Yeol says that he wishes he’d been the one to find her, and been able to give her a hug when he did.
Laughing at himself, Yeol says that he doesn’t want to worry about her secretly, or pay attention to her secretly, anymore. He’s tired of beating around the bush. He finally tells her, “I like you,” and she’s so surprised that he has to prompt her for her answer.
Yeon-doo hesitates, and the moment is lost when Ha-joon finds them. He notices the awkward atmosphere, but they brush it off and go for ramyun.
In the morning the whole team gets in some practice, and Instructor Nam tells them that they’re getting good enough that regionals is a real possibility. They realize that Soo-ah isn’t here — she’s in Yeol’s tent, going through his things. She pulls out a tablet, frustrated when it’s locked.
The kids all gather to go home, not eager to return to the dorms. Yeol almost confronts Soo-ah, having noticed that his belongings were disorganized, but in the end he just grins at her.
Back home, Soo-ah reports to her mother and Director Lee about the camping trip. She starts to confess to them how she got number one ranking, and says that Kim Yeol was cleared and came back to school. Mom interrupts to warn Soo-ah not to give up her top ranking again, and Soo-ah is too afraid to say more.
Director Lee tells Soo-ah in private, that it was Yeol who made a copy of the incriminating CCTV footage. Soo-ah correctly guesses that Director Lee knows the truth, but she hasn’t told Soo-ah’s mother. She warns Soo-ah that if the problem gets any bigger, she’ll have to tell her.
Soo-ah tells Director Lee that Yeol is using the video to threaten her into confessing to the school. Director Lee says that that absolutely cannot happen, but Soo-ah says that she has three days — she’ll find that video and destroy it.
Yeol’s dad and Yeon-doo’s mom go out, where he keeps pestering her about marriage. She says she wants to keep dating like this, but he doesn’t, and wants to break up if they aren’t going to get married. He says that she’s made him a better person and father, and suggests that they all eat together when the kids come home soon.
Soo-ah apparently did more than look at Yeol’s tablet, she stole it, and he nearly catches her looking at it in the study room. He’s aware of what she’s doing, and enjoys staring at her and making her nervous.
She starts to leave before the team meeting, claiming to be ill, though Yeon-doo pokes at her a little. She can study until her nose bleeds, but when it’s time for practice she’s never feeling well? She mentions that Soo-ah only has two days, and warns her not to wait too long (while Yeol smirks at Yeon-doo’s ferocity)).
When the teachers arrive, Yeon-doo says pointedly that Soo-ah will be staying for practice after all. They work on lifts and Ha-joon accidentally drops Yeon-doo, but it’s Yeol who rushes to help her up.
After practice, Yeol asks if Yeon-doo was just being hardnosed to get Soo-ah to stay and practice, and she whines that he always knows what she’s thinking. She knows nothing will change, but she’s ready for Soo-ah to stop. Yeol brightly says that they’ll find a way to make her stop, and changes the subject to their relationship.
Oh Yeon-doo, can you really play dumb after he so honestly confessed? Yeol complains about all the skinship she shares with her male teammates, and pouts that she even flirts with Ha-joon. He forbids her to do those things anymore, and says he’s the only guy she can touch, but Yeon-doo just laughs in his face and refuses. Good girl.
She heads inside, giggling to herself at his adorable jealousy, and runs into Soo-ah looking thunderous. She warns Yeon-doo not to say a word until her time is up, but Yeon-doo says that she should be thinking about confessing.
During class, Soo-ah asks to go to the nurse, as she’s not feeling well. Instead she grabs a bag she’s got hidden, and heads to the restroom. Teacher Yang sees a hooded figure in black and recognizes it as Soo-ah, and follows to see what she’s up to.
She enters the boys’ dorm, goes into Yeol’s room, and opens his laptop. She finds his USB copy of the video, but Teacher Yang confronts her before she can leave with it. He sees the video playing on the laptop over her shoulder and tries to see it, but she wrestles it away and manages to remove the USB without him noticing, which falls onto Hyo-shik’s bed.
Yang sends her back to class, saying that they’ll talk about what he saw on that video later. Soo-ah was unable to grab the USB and she stops at another of her cigarette stash points, and when it’s time for Yang’s class, she’s still not returned. She meets with Director Lee, confessing that this situation has gotten too big for her to handle.
Director Lee has called the school and says that the recording hasn’t gotten out yet, and instructs Soo-ah to go back to school and beg Teacher Yang for understanding. Then she needs to find out what Yeol and Yeon-doo want, offering to bribe them with money if necessary. Yeeeaaah, that can’t possibly backfire.
Ha-joon and Hyo-shik practice trust exercises in their room, with Dong-jae looking on. Ha-joon is bad at it, feeling guilty about dropping Yeon-doo earlier, and humbly asks for help. But he’s distracted, and wanders off when Yeol calls him to get ramyun, making Hyo-shik wonder what’s up with him lately — he never used to worry about anything but studying.
Hyo-shik flops onto his bed and cries out — he landed on the USB that Soo-ah threw there. Thinking it might be something racy, he plugs it into his computer, and sees Soo-ah stealing the USB.
He takes the USB to show Da-mi, who grabs Yeon-doo’s laptop from her locker to watch the video. They figure out that this is why Yeol kept needling Soo-ah at the campout, and wonder why he hasn’t told the school yet.
Soo-ah returns to school, where Teacher Yang yells at her for not doing as he asked and going back to class. She tries to do as Director Lee said and beg for understanding, but the students around them start to murmur… Da-mi sent the video of Soo-ah stealing the test USB to the entire student body. When Soo-ah sees that the video came from Yeon-doo’s computer, she freaks out.
Yeon-doo herself is pretty upset to realize that her computer was used to send the video, though the Real King and Baek Ho students all agree that Da-mi did the right thing, even if she did forget that she was on someone else’s computer. Yeon-doo and Yeol are both upset that Soo-ah still had one day to make it right, and now that’s gone.
Yeon-doo goes looking for Soo-ah, who’s also furiously looking for her. They confront each other at the top of the staircase and Soo-ah slaps Yeon-doo, hard, and snaps that she broke her promise. Yeon-doo tries to explain that this wasn’t her doing nor what she wanted to happen, but Soo-ah is too angry to listen.
She grabs Yeon-doo by the lapels, just as Yeol and Ha-joon reach the bottom of the stairs. Soo-ah accuses Yeon-doo and Yeol of planning this, and yells, “I’m going to kill you, Kang Yeon-doo!”
Screaming, Soo-ah throws Yeon-doo down the stairs. Both boys lunge to catch her, and one of them does, though we don’t see which. They roll to the foot the the steps, landing with Yeon-doo safely on top.
Yeon-doo slowly sits up, staring at her savior in horror. It was Yeol who caught her, and he lays unconscious, bleeding heavily from a head wound.
COMMENTS
You would think that by now we’d all be used to Yeon-doo and her strong sense of fairness and justice, but she just keeps upping the ante. It was impressive when she got back to the campsite and had every right to tell everyone that Soo-ah abandoned her, yet instead she gave Soo-ah a chance to explain herself before telling anyone. But it was also gratifying to see her let fly on Soo-ah when she heard the whole story, because patience and giving people the benefit of the doubt only go so far, especially when that person doesn’t deserve or appreciate it. At some point, you have to face the truth and cut those ties. It was good to see that Yeon-doo is human and has her limits, and is capable of losing her temper and saying harsh things, though it was also very in character for her to regret her words and give Soo-ah one last chance. It’s also very mature of Yeon-doo to know when to give someone a chance to defend themselves, and when to let them know that the grace period is over.
Soo-ah continues to impress as well, if by “impress” you mean “shock and horrify.” She’s proving that she’s capable of, and more than willing to, sink to deeper depths than I gave her credit for in order to get ahead and cover her tracks. For a while there I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she was just a very troubled girl under tremendous pressure, who’s been taught to win at all costs, because at times she truly seems conflicted and horrified at her own actions. But I don’t believe her tears anymore — anyone with a halfway-normal psyche knows that you don’t throw someone down the stairs just because you’re angry at them, especially when the cat’s out of the bag and it’s too late to hide anymore. There’s no explaining that away, other than that Soo-ah is suffering from some pretty serious psychosis and needs professional help. I’m not even interested in seeing her realize the error of her ways and be redeemed anymore — she has now actually, deliberately tried to kill someone, and she needs serious intervention, immediately.
On the romance front, we all know that Yeol likes Yeon-doo, but what’s even better is how you can just see his respect for her growing the closer they become. When he was confronting Soo-ah at the campsite and Yeon-doo joined the argument, Yeol pretty much let Yeon-doo do all the talking, even on his behalf. It’s a small thing but speaks volumes, and it’s the first time we’ve seen the two of them in such a united front against their common enemy. For Yeol to let Yeon-doo take the reins and speak for him is pretty huge for the guy who vowed never to trust another human being. I love that as much as he has romantic feelings for Yeon-doo, he also sees and treats her as an equal. Even when she got upset enough that she started making threats, he didn’t say anything until they were alone, which shows tremendous respect on his part. And even though he was concerned by her over-the-top outburst, he let her handle the situation her own way, and didn’t try to tell her what to do or stop her.
But Ha-joon… he’s killing me. The way he looks at Yeon-doo is just so sweet, and her harmelss (on her end) flirting isn’t helping. In that, Yeol is right, that she shouldn’t be flirting with Ha-joon because you never know what it might lead to. Ha-joon’s crush is evident now, and so far he’s keeping it to himself, but if she doesn’t nip that in the bud it could lead to Very Bad Things. I worry that if he doesn’t realize soon that Yeol has dibs on Yeon-doo (in the sense that she obviously likes him back), he’s heading for a major heartbreak.
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1 Miraclan
November 4, 2015 at 11:08 AM
Thank you so much for the recap!!! I was really down yesterday because of the episode, but going on DB made things a bit better.
Cheers.
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Miraclan
November 4, 2015 at 11:11 AM
By the way... For those of you who felt like me, and felt upset by things, this video works every time. I dare you to watch it until the end, without cracking into a smile. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDiE2UWJocQ
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Lizzie
November 4, 2015 at 11:16 AM
I tried, but I failed 6 seconds in...lol
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Adal
November 4, 2015 at 11:31 AM
Me too :-)
I don’t think I even lasted for more than 3 seconds. He has THE MOST infectious smile!
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am1993
November 4, 2015 at 12:37 PM
You still beat me. I lasted 0.5 secs
basically the moment his face appeared on the screen, I had a goofy smile on my face
I will be forever grateful to Cheer Up for introducing me to Lee Wongeun's smile
Alexis
November 4, 2015 at 5:35 PM
I lasted 10 seconds... lol
pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 12:21 AM
3 seconds here too :)
plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 1:28 PM
Me too!
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es
November 4, 2015 at 7:41 PM
i don't think i even lasted for a second......
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 4:02 AM
Lol same here! That smile is too powerful :)
opaque
November 4, 2015 at 12:05 PM
His smile <3 <3 I didn't know of him before but now I am so taken by him. Though if only I didn't ship him this hard with Eunji...I don't know if I'll be able to bear a drama where they aren't the main couple :P
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LsGG
November 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM
I genuinely tried. Somehow, in the middle of the video, I found myself with a smile on my face without knowing when it started. Heol.
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LsGG
November 4, 2015 at 12:37 PM
Also wanted to thank you for your dedication to Sassy Go Go. Love your blog, and the fact that you're not afraid to explore the heavier topics. Those lengthy posts and commentaries are the best!
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xXxirisfleurxXx
November 4, 2015 at 12:57 PM
ikr!! im listening to her podcast right now, n im so glad she's talking about this. pressure from schools n suicide is a real thing n we should be talking about this.
@Miraclan Thank you for speaking up! i know you said you were afraid to, but i'm glad you are discussing it. will comment more when i finish it.
Lizzie
November 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM
where can I find her blog?? :)) I enjoy reading drama commentaries.
emily loves Sassy
November 4, 2015 at 1:49 PM
@Lizzie In case I'm breaking some internet etiquette, I'm just going to tell you to click on her name "Miraclan." You'll find all her posts on SGG, and the podcast they're talking about is the post called Episode 10 commentary. It's long, but makes really good points. I think listening to all of it would be worth it if you're interested in the issues. It's a meaningful way to "kill time" for me. I can combine my fluffy love for SGG with "real issues."
Lizzie
November 4, 2015 at 1:55 PM
@emily loves sassy. I never knew clicking on ppls names sent you to their blogs..aha Thank you!:))
plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 2:34 PM
@Emily loves Sassy - Thanks! I never knew that either.
Elodie
November 4, 2015 at 3:24 PM
Did anyone tell you that your daebak???
Thank you so much for that video. I didn't even try. Just smiled throughout.
I'm in a private school in Luxembourg, and it's tough at times. It's a small country, so it's relatively peaceful and calm. There isn't any outright competition, but you can feel the pressure. Sometimes, you feel as if you're not good enough. I agree with all the people below. Thank you for talking about something important. It makes me feel happy to know someone understands how it feels, and sometimes, it's so hard you feel like you're going crazy. I haven't done anything extreme but I've seen some of my classmates do them. Most of the time, we can get away with stuff, so it becomes a game of how to get even better. I know it's wrong, but we need to think of college. I'm planning to go to a prestigious uni in the UK in 2 years, and it's so much pressure. And even though many of us feel that way, none of us can talk to each other about it. If you have that "mental case" label on you, it's over. I know one girl who cracked completely.
I know we have it pretty easy compared to other countries and systems so I shouldn't complain. But it feels good listening to you, and knowing at least some of our pain is understood by others.
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Elodie
November 4, 2015 at 3:27 PM
I meant I agree with people above me, not below. It was below when I typed in the comment box.
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asmara
November 4, 2015 at 4:56 PM
SO.CUTE. That smile on 0:16. So flirty and annoying coz there's no chance you can resist!
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Ai
November 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM
Hahaha. Lee Won Geun/Kim Yeol, please stop smiling. You'll kill us all ^____^ Thanks for the video. Definitely made my day~
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 10:17 AM
Seconding this, that smile will be the death of me. He needs to be stopped! (but then he will get that puppy look and slay us all again even when he's not smiling, oops)
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meliyasha
November 4, 2015 at 7:12 PM
I tried. But my lips formed a weird shape started at 0:10 hahaa.. Thanks for the video. Will definitely download it and copy it to my phone for my daily dose of Kim Yeol ♥
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pancchi
November 4, 2015 at 7:51 PM
Thanks for this video:)
I didn't try. And i Failed!! So much cuteness how can i resist it??
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wackycashew
November 5, 2015 at 8:38 AM
Love LWG's cute, infectious smile!! I first saw him in Hyde, Jekyll, Me and so glad he got to play Yeol here!! ^^
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Maple
November 5, 2015 at 7:53 PM
omgosh. thanks for sharing this video. i love lwg smile. so thankful for this drama for introducing us the amazingness of lwg!!!
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daebakk
November 8, 2015 at 11:48 PM
I didn't last for a second.. I couldn't resist his smile omg... whyyyyyy.....
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 12:46 PM
On the upside, the Yeol/Yeon-doo caps are back at the top of the recap!
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xXxirisfleurxXx
November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM
didn't even notice it!! yay!!!
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leethehey
November 4, 2015 at 5:53 PM
I really hated Episode 10 (despite my tears). However, when I took a moment to think it through, I can say that I've come to terms with episode 10.
Actually, I think Episode 10 is probably the manifestation of the message that the writer is probably trying to send out right from the very beginning and with Yeon Doo's characterization. Not everyone's gonna agree and it probably won't be satisfying for most either, but the message has a value.
[Note: There might be possible spoilers from here on]
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I think the message is this. We have become an unforgiving society (k-netizens especially) to the point that we unconsciously become vindictive. When a person commits a mistake, we reprimand him/her. We rebuke him/her. We make him/her an outcast. We kick a person while they are down. We make the person feel alone because we think that's the only way the person will learn his/her lesson. We drive a person to feel like he/she deserves to die for the wrong that he/she has done. Should that make us happy?
I think the writer is telling us that it won't. It shouldn't. Just like how a sinful person can spiral out of control, the people around him/her likewise do and it does not make them better persons. It does not make the world a better place to live.
I think the message is telling us that when a person who commits a mistake, acknowledge that mistake, feels remorseful of his ways, asks for our forgiveness and asks for our hand. We should extend it out to them and not throw their hands away. It does not mean that he/she would not pay for what he/she has done. It just means that you will be with him/her as he/she faces the consequences of the wrong that she has done.
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leethehey
November 4, 2015 at 5:53 PM
her a fool? Sure. But, I really don't think so. I think it is wise. It will probably hurt more in your guts that when you slap an innocent person on his face, he goes around and offer you his other cheek. How inadequate would you feel that he repays your pettiness with selflessness.
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Healeryah
November 4, 2015 at 6:13 PM
wow. are you a mind reader, or how did u manage to know what Mira said in her podcast??? my mind is blown.
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leethehey
November 4, 2015 at 7:35 PM
I'm sorry but who is Mira? Why is everyone talking about her.
leethehey
November 4, 2015 at 7:46 PM
hmmm okay I just got it. Miraclan is Mira. Nope I haven't heard the podcast. Where can I access it?
It's so weird. I remember posting the reply to commenter #3 not here. But I can't find my reply there and see it here instead.
Rutii
November 4, 2015 at 6:15 PM
Ooo SPOLIERS FOR EPISODE 10 ALERT!!! PROCEED WITH CAUTION!!
I totally agree tho! ]
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Healeryah
November 4, 2015 at 6:25 PM
Uh.... Either you replied to the wrong comment, or I don't think you listened to what Mira talked about. lol.
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dooleygongshil
November 4, 2015 at 7:30 PM
I actually was okay with the way episode 10 came out. I think what they showed us with Soo-ah was what they were trying to go for from the beginning but it was a bit rushed and too late. Many viewers really hate her at this point so it'd be hard for some to come out liking the way episode 10 turned out.
However, while I really disliked her actions at times, I still didn't hate Soo-ah. We're only seeing her for this short period of time where she's only doing bad things. For many viewers, the reasons she has isn't enough. Don't get me wrong, she's done really horrible things. But I saw her struggle more from the perspective of her growing up her WHOLE life with that kind of mother: someone who is demanding and brushes aside morals and suffering like its nothing. Not only that, when Soo-ah does something wrong, instead of punishing her like most parents, she finds a way to cover it up and "take care of it". What person would be completely messed up after a lifetime of that.
Plus, its kinda related what you said in regards to reprimanding someone who does wrong. I think thats an important contrast with Soo-ah. The person who she really doing this all for, her mom, is also the person who only is mad at her about specs and grades, but helps her cover up the actions that she should really be punished for.
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This is Cat
November 5, 2015 at 7:09 AM
That mistake you speak so lightly off consists of theft, cheating, invasion of privacy, wrongful accusation, defamation, destroying evidence and bodily injury near to causing death for which she would be penalized with imprisonment, even if she is a minor and depressed.
Are you being so understanding because all her ideas back fired? Had she succeeded in destroying Yang's career, caused YD to break her neck or Yeol to attend an inferior college, would you be so sympathetic?
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 7:55 AM
lol Soo-ah wouldn't be penalised with anything in South Korea, since even convicted murderers can get out of jail in a few years.
And advocating understanding of an abused girl who's going to pay the price of ignoring her own humanity (because that's what Soo-ah is, even if her scars aren't physical like Ha-joon's) is not the same as dismissing her crimes.
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This is Cat
November 5, 2015 at 12:39 PM
The point is not how much sentence she finally gets and how long she actually servers or the condition of South Korea judiciary. It is that her actions were too grave to be dismissed as 'mistakes' or 'lol' where you cannot say she should not be rebuked or outcasted.
pogo
November 5, 2015 at 12:59 PM
NO ONE is dismissing Soo-ah's crimes, and the 'lol' was aimed at the idea expressed in your previous comment that a minor in South Korea would be penalised with imprisonment, when even hardened criminals get off with far less for worse crimes.
Please stop twisting people's words around, it adds nothing to the discussion.
This is Cat
November 5, 2015 at 1:12 PM
My comment was not about serving term. It was about the level of penalty such crimes carry. Not my fault if you cannot distinguish between the two.
And you dismissed it by brushing it aside as 'mistakes' and saying it is wrong for the society to rebuke or outcast her.
pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 9:00 PM
@This is Cat - really stop twisting people's words. @pogo did not even use the word 'mistakes' to described Soo Ah's actions, stop telling falsehoods about what other commenters say so you can take out your anger at Soo Ah on them.
This is Cat
November 5, 2015 at 1:58 PM
You don't have a working knowledge of it. This is based on your comment where you think Soo Ah's victims are the best people to decide the punishment. You are fine with it now cause it is happy ending for all. But you are putting that much of power in the victims hand when they would not be in optimum state of health, would be open to threats to family not just in high level cases, bribery. It would further cause inequality in distribution of justice. It is why the State prosecutes criminal acts, protects the victim, judges decide being neutral party. Sure there is bribery and corruption but with your method the system would go downhill really fast.
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This is Cat
November 5, 2015 at 2:17 PM
Forgot to add: possibility of undue harshness from the victim to the convicted person. Overall existence of conflict of interest.
pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 9:05 PM
ok, miss great criminal law expert. Obviously people are going to look at the other characters and what they want when thinking of Soo Ah's punishment but this is a drama, at least they remember that.
This is Cat
November 6, 2015 at 7:14 AM
@ pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥ it is @pogo who said brought up Korea's real judicial system in equation, not me. It is fair to use it to address stupid ideas. No one needs to be expert to understand the basic concept of conflict of interest and why the law provides for different roles. It comes up in news quite often for people to be aware.
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Mira
November 5, 2015 at 9:18 AM
Wow. What happened within a day? lol. This comment thread turned into chaos... but oh well, chaos can be good fun too. XD
@all of you "failing" the challenge, and being so happy about it. LOL. You're welcome. ^^ That's the magic of LWG smile. <3 I can just imagine getting into a quarrel with him, and being unable to stay angry within 1s. of that fight. XD
@all of you who liked my podcast. Thanks. I'm glad it was of help for some of you.
@Elodie Hang in there! Don't pressure yourself too much. The worst that can happen is you fail to achieve your goals, and I can assure you that even then, you still have a bright life ahead of you. It's just a matter of viewing it as a journey, and taking another road that might lead you to an even better place.
@pogo love sassy go go Oooh. Nice catch! ;) I'm all happy again. XD
@leethehey LOL. That comment being in the wrong place happens to me sometimes as well. And I know you said that you didn't intend to reply to me, but would you mind if I quoted you in my post? I would credit you.
@dooleygongshil +1 with your comment. Plus, glad to see dooley shipping is still alive?
@This is Cat Uh.. I'm not sure whether or not you're talking to me, since I didn't mention any mistake... unless you're referring to what I talked about elsewhere?
If you're talking about my podcast...
I'm not being understanding because her ideas backfired, I'm being understand because I try to view her as someone I care about. If she was someone who was part of my family. As a member of the family of someone who did wrong, your concern is really about their well-being. You accept, and even see the necessity for them to receive the consequences of their actions (and those consequences don't mean incarceration in all countries. and depending on the kind of justice system you believe is more effective, might not mean other things as well, depending on the relationship between the victims and the criminal). And I think that as a society, promoting the culture of being understanding towards each other is moving toward a good direction. I want the Justice system to treat everyone as if they were members of the family.
If Yeol were to break his neck, I would grieve for his family members and friends. And I would hope they would be able to recover, and find peace, and live their lives on as normally as possible. And I would still want Soo-Ah, if she has the potential for it, to return as a functional member of society, and contribute to it in the future.
The Justice system is about repairing the damage and balance by retribution, incapacitation, deterrence, restoration, and rehabilitation. My point is we should emphasise, and prioritise our concerns to restoration, and rehabilitation. For both the victims and the perpetrator. A society which gives up on their criminals is not one which will function well. ie. See American prison system with recidivism, vs. other Denmark/Norway, etc.
In many...
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Linh
November 21, 2015 at 2:16 AM
If Yeol breaks his neck or becomes amnesia, his friends would 100% not let Soo Ah go, especially Yeon Doo and Ha Joon, these two would probably be the first ones to finish up with Soo Ah, seriously. Yeon Doo and Ha Joon are the kind of people who definitely would do anything for their friends, they care more about their friends than themselves, they are both the types who acts upon their feelings, and are just indomitably loyal to their friends once you reach out to them or when they reach out to you. I know clearly how Ha Joon would be if something happens to Yeol, but Yeon Doo... I would say, Yeol was the second person who became personally close to her, first is Dong Jae, her childhood friend, I'm not counting the RK kids because though they ARE close and loyal to her (especially Min Hyo Sik), but they're NOT personally close to her like Dong Jae and Yeol, adding Ha Joon too, so the RK kids doesn't really understand her as much as DJ, KY, and HJ, who are personally close to her. Anyways, if something happens to Yeol, what will happen to Yeon Doo? Just seeing how lonely she felt in episode 7, when Yeol wasn't at school due to being accused of stealing Teacher Im's USB, she would probably feel out of place if something worst happens to Yeol. We already know how Ha Joon would be and feel with Yeol, but Yeon Doo too, I bet she would be totally out of place without him too, though she may have DJ and the RK kids by her side, but Yeol was actually the second person to be personally close to her, while her first is Dong Jae.
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Mira
November 5, 2015 at 9:22 AM
In many cultures, we are so used to thinking of justice just as retribution, first and foremost. Retribution is so engrained in our psyche that it becomes natural to think of it as justice. But it's not the only aspect of justice. And we should focus more on how to repair the damage, and make things better (as a society). Rather than be concerned about getting a criminal punished, we should put our brain power and energy into saving what we can from the mess. And by understanding Soo Ah, you see that she is one of those things that could be saved, if we tried.
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Miraclan
November 5, 2015 at 9:34 AM
Just realised This is Cat was not replying to me. Haha. Just when I talked to leethehey about going to the wrong comment. ^^"""""""""
Oh well, my reply is still relevant. So there. XD
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This is Cat
November 5, 2015 at 1:00 PM
Rather than getting the person punished!!! Please tell that to family or the victims who were killed, injured, framed, that the criminal/accused is remorseful, that there was legit reason who such a crime, so please be lenient...there might be a criminal court where you live.
Besides only retribution is old school of jurisprudence. Currently there is retribution, deterrence and rehabilitation. The victim has to be compensated, the guilty party needs to be stopped from doing further crimes and focus on how to prevent such crimes and the criminal needs to be rehabilitated.
Soo Ah's circumstances would lessen the degree and amount of punishment, it won't make it go away. What sought of message are sending when you think is the other party is remorseful should go unpunished? Where people distancing them from being hurt is wrong.
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This is Cat
November 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM
I cannot comment on why European countries have low degree of recidivism but I do not think it can be summarized with rehabilitation opportunists. There are so many ways in which USA and Denmark are different.
You mention return as functional member...so I assume that you believe she should be punished?
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Miraclan
November 6, 2015 at 8:26 AM
Well, I rather talked about it at length in the past days, so I'll try not to ramble on more.
Re:As someone whose family member was victimised, I can tell you that wallowing in the need for revenge does nothing for you but feed your grief with anger, frustration, and just plain misery. I don't want a society in which you encourage the need to focus on the criminal being punished for personal satisfaction, rather than the damage being repaired. And trust me, to see the criminal being punished does nothing to repair the grief you can feel. You find out that the sense of injustice at being the victim doesn't go away, because it is unjust in the first place, no matter what happens after. It's only when you start to let go, and focus on yourself that you move on. Using the criminal's misery to move on is not healthy.
Re: I'm not saying that there is no need for punishment. I'm saying as a society, we shouldn't focus on it to the degree we do. As I've said and you've pointed out yourself, there are several aspects to the justice system, and the focus of punishment is much too strong in society.
Re: European countries have a homogenous society, which leads it to be easier to be understanding, and thus easier to be accepting of each other, including their criminals. America = melting pot = divide = criminals are not our problems. Ergo, it is important to foster a culture of understanding as a whole. You never know, you might need to be the one being understood one day.
Re: It's not so much whether I believe she needs to be punished, as I believe she needs to be helped, as well as all her victims finding reparation. If punishment is smth that is believed to do that, so be it. It's not something that I want just for the sake of it. I also believe in fairness, ergo, everyone in society needs to be treated fairly. But rather than needing fairness in punishment, I'd rather it be fairness in leniency. Right now, in many countries, neither is true. lol.
2 heyitschristina
November 4, 2015 at 11:13 AM
Soo-ah is legit psycho
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3 Cassie
November 4, 2015 at 11:16 AM
I enjoyed very much this episode and I can't put into words what I thought.
I'm loving the show despite some things going on.
But episode 10 pissed me off so much. Waiting anxiously to see the recap and opinions for it soon.
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opaque
November 4, 2015 at 11:34 AM
I won't talk specifically but I personally liked how episode 10 went. Yeah maybe a bit too rushed but the feel was consistent with the rest of the series.
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 12:45 PM
yeah, I do agree there - it was definitely consistent with the rest of the series and with the characters, the only real flaw is that it was rushed. But I guess we should stick to discussing episode 9....
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Stuckonyou
November 4, 2015 at 3:08 PM
1. So it is clear now that Hajoon see Yeondoo as a firstlove. I HATE IT, SERIOUSLY. Hajoon will suffer one-side love ? In my opinion, it would be better if Hajoon consider Yeondoo as a precious friend besides Yeol, support their romance, and make a very strong friendship trio. Its untypical yet so beautiful. And how come Hajoon cannot see his BFF flirting and close to Yeondoo all this time, like for 8 episodes? Seriously, show? And eventhough at the end the bromance is not falling apart or Hajoon decided to support Yeol-Yeondoo pairing, it would break my heart seeing them as a rival ? Hajoon would see Yeol as someone who "wins" his firstlove.
2. I think Yeol is FIT PERFECTLY as Yeol and male lead. I believe in him as a character and his acting is really good. His chemistry with Eunji is off the chart. Aaaand, the most I important thing is THAT SMILE. I smile back at him everythime he smiles at my screen. Its super weird. Enough said, I think I am in love with him.
3. If Yeol not end up with Yeondoo at the end, I would be really dissapointed, considering they are SUPER CUTE in every episodes. The whole parent-dating plot make me nervous. I hope Yeondoo or Yeol don't be a nobel idiot. Chaebal!!! I believe in you writer-nim!!! ?
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Linh
November 4, 2015 at 3:51 PM
In episode 10, when Yeol was talking about what they promised each other when they were kids that once they find a girl that they truly likes, they will tell each other, so that also means that Yeon Doo is not only Ha Joon's first love, but she's also Yeol's first love. She clearly is both of their first love, 2 guys liking the same girl. But for Yeon Doo, Yeol is clearly her first love. But the thing is that she has a friendly nature in her that it doesn't make it hard for others to like her, in that is the case of Ha Joon. He falls for Yeon Doo because of her loyalty, kindness, and her optimism, and this is probably the same reason for Yeol as well hahah The other guys can easily fall for her as well, but gladly they didn't, or else it will be way harder haha And also knowing that Dong Jae is Yeon Doo's childhood, he could have fall for her as well, but gladly he doesn't, but you can see she earned so much of his trust to her. Now she earns Ha Joon and Yeol's trust, and even earn their hearts hahah Otteoke...
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 8:08 PM
Let's not have ep 10 spoilers please? We need to comment on the ep 10 recap too :(
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byeolbits
November 4, 2015 at 4:49 PM
I may be reading too much into it, but I was rewatching the earlier episodes and I couldn't help but wonder — what if Hajoon is mistaking friendship for love? Considering how his father treats him, I don't think it's a stretch to say that he may not have experienced love before. If this is the case, since he's been friends with Yeol for so long, his strong feelings for Yeondoo may be confusing him. I don't think he's in love with her so much as he cares for her. He hasn't expressed any romantic interest in her — he didn't initiate the hug in episode 8 - 9, and there haven't been any scenes in which he clearly shows romantic desire for her (e.g. staring at her lips, wanting to touch her). I think he genuinely wants to protect her, just like how Yeol has always protected him. His abusive relationship with his father has led him to seek refuge in his friendship with Yeol. He's grateful for Yeol's care and companionship, and he reciprocates by always putting him first. When he was practicing the trust fall with Hyoshik, he rushed off the moment Yeol called, even though all he wanted to do was eat ramyeon. As much as he wants to train for Yeondoo's sake, he still puts Yeol first. In fact, if Yeol was a girl, they'd be a typical K-drama couple. Sooah pointed out that Yeol and Hajoon seem a little too close, and I'd say she's right — Hajoon loves Yeol. Maybe not in the romantic sense, but his love for him definitely runs deeper than mere friendship. I think Hajoon's just the type of person who loves deeply, especially to the people who show care for him, because there aren't that many of them. That's why he loves Yeondoo, because she protected him even though she didn't need to, and she treated him as a friend. He finds himself wanting to protect her too, to care for her and stay by her side when things get tough, and I don't think he realises that those are things that constitute friendship. He's only ever had Yeol as a true friend, so now that he has strong feelings towards a girl, he doesn't know what to make of it. I think that's why he didn't answer Hyoshik's question at the campfire — not because he couldn't admit it in front of Yeondoo (he could've just said yes, without revealing who it is), but because he wasn't sure himself. He loves Yeol and Yeondoo, that's for sure, but I don't think it's in the romantic sense.
But like I said, I may be reading too much into it, and the writers are actually just going for a love triangle...
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sundaexstory
November 4, 2015 at 9:54 PM
"...What if Hajoon is mistaking friendship for love?"
I was thinking the same thing too!
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iamme
November 5, 2015 at 1:45 AM
your summary is really amazing! the way Ha-joon and Yeol look at Yeon Doo is also different.. (eg;both watched her sleeping but their expression somewhat different)
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confusedturtle
November 4, 2015 at 7:51 PM
I wondered why Hajoon would fall for a girl his best friend clearly likes...but looking back through the episodes, Yeol is a big flirt. I think Hajoon didn't know Yeol was serious this time.
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rosiemontgomery
November 5, 2015 at 12:44 PM
That he is. I firmly believe that if Soo-ah hadn't startled them, Yeol would've gone for the kiss back in Episode 1, just to tick off Yeon Doo.
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 12:23 AM
Yeon Doo would have punched him first before he actually got to kiss her lol
siesta
November 6, 2015 at 1:28 AM
"I wondered why Hajoon would fall for a girl his best friend clearly likes"
'falling' for someone is not something someone can control. it is perfectly natural&healthy for hajoon to develop strong feelings towards someone he is getting closer to emotionally after being deprived, a cute girl who has shown concern for his well being, regardless whether she is his friend's 'girl' or whatever. what he /will/ do because of these feelings, is what makes the difference. either he'd try to compete for her, and risk having a falling out with Yeol (which is something i can't see he'd do), or simply accept the fact they're together and be content in staying as friends (which is something i hope he'd do)
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 2:32 AM
Exactly, feelings are not something Ha Joon can control, and people develop those kinds of feelings all the time. Yeon Doo is, like you said, a cute girl who has shown that she regards him as a friend, likes to spend time with him, and is loyal and trustworthy and more than anything, genuine. Ha Joon has simply never had any real friends other than Yeol, and Yeon Doo is the first one to actually treat him as one. It's natural that he could develop feelings for her, especially after them being unired in a common goal.
pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 2:36 AM
Oh no I meant united, not unired.
And I agree that what Ha Joon chooses to do about his feelings is more important. I don't think he wants to hurt Yeol, he is much more likely to keep quiet and try to get over it. It's his best friend after all.
confusedturtle
November 7, 2015 at 2:07 AM
Ha Joon is a very guarded person and I don't think he would want to endanger his relationship with Yeol, but he didn't seem to think twice once he got close to Yeon Do. He probably would have liked her regardless, but I wondered why he didn't struggle with it more. Yes, it is natural, didn't say it wasn't, but as mentioned Yeol is his best friend. It would also be natural, if he knew of Yeol's feelings, to worry about hurting the friendship. My comment was simply speculation that he didn't know how Yeol felt.
confusedturtle
November 7, 2015 at 2:11 AM
Also, I made that comment before I saw 10 so I was also speculating about Ha Joon's feelings.
4 saehee
November 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM
Imagine me opening my mouth and inserting my entire foot, lol. Sorry for misleading everyone with my wishful thinking, I'm so embarrassed...
I'm surprised that the blackmailer was Y! I think it was Miranda who pointed out that he was always the one to communicate in sticky notes, and we're all aware he was petty enough to do this. He was the most obvious culprit considering the rhetoric of the story but I was reading too much into what I wanted to happen. I feel a little silly.
I'm actually starting to wonder if DJ WAS the culprit at one point but the storyline got scrapped? There's a bit of footage and audio in the episode 9 preview that wasn't in the final product where it looked like he was having a serious talk with SA and it shifted my suspicions onto him. This obviously never happened. I can't say I'm really happy about that.
I wonder if I like that this built up the antagonistic relationship between Yeol and SA? I like how this is a continuation between their dynamic - SA being smart and resourceful, but too sloppy to stay ahead of Y. I like how Y and YD decided to take the high road but SA ended up getting her slap on the wrist anyway. Holy crow it's about time! Everyone's been in character and we've finally gotten to the point where SA has hit her own personal rock bottom - I'm fairly sure now that Y is injured SA's going to have a crisis which leads to her weird date with DJ.
Still, I'm not sure if I'm too happy? Sure, I got the participation I wanted from Team Real King (welcome back, kids, I missed you), and this did lead to SA getting her comeuppance, but I feel like the payoff was focused on what YD and Y were getting in righteous anger and moral superiority. It wasn't wrong or out of character for YD to lose her patience with them (she DID make a promise and it was within her right to be upset at them) but I'm still bummed about how this shoved Team Real King's care for her and Y back at them like they made some grave error. They wanted SA to face the consequences of her actions and I don't know if getting Y injured was a rhetorically consistent result of what they did. I know good intentions only take you so far, and it wasn't Real King's fault, obviously, but this seems forced in a way the rest of the show wasn't. On top of that, the consequences didn't seem like they were as much for them as they were for YD and Y, whereas just a few episodes ago the consequences of Jae Young's actions went back to characterize her more than almost anyone else, even SA. I'm disappointed that Hyo Sik and Da Mi didn't get the same treatment.
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saehee
November 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM
I also wonder if this may be a case of too little too late. I don't know if 3 episodes will be enough for us to want to see SA happy. I mean, I'm glad because I've always felt sad for her and hoped something would give so she could finally start to breathe, but I'm not sure if everyone else feels the same way. (On a side note - I'd have preferred that YD went on the date with her because... I want them to patch up face-to-face, I guess. In the universe of the show, it wouldn't make much sense, I know, but it would have been nice.)
Speaking of HJ... Love triangle why. I'm certain that we're leading up to HJ realizing that that he's got a crush and coming to terms with the fact that he's gotta uncrush to protect his friendship with YD. I do like that he's thinking on his own quietly and being an excellent friend in the meantime instead of being unnecessarily stand-offish in order to fall out of love. That could very easily have happened. I'm still bummed, but I don't want to impose what I want on a story just because it wasn't what I was expecting. That's on me for getting wrapped up in what I wanted. It could have been worse and I still like what we have now. I just wish I could just turn back the clock and warn me not to get ahead of myself.
I still love indomitable YD and her adventures in cheerleading, but I'm antsy about the future of the show. With SA's antagonistic force gone, I'm wondering how the writing team is planning on making a compelling story. I'm not saying that we can't have one without SA stirring shit up in the background, but they used SA as a catalyst for so long that I wonder if the writers are confident enough to tread into new territory without using Soo Ah's hatred as a catalyst for the plot. I WANT this to happen, and I know how I would go about it, but I can't say that I'm expecting it to happen. If it were me, this break would have happened two episodes ago, before it was late in the narrative rhythm, so we could regain our sympathy for Soo Ah. If what's coming is the imminent love triangle plot... well. I'm waiting, but more patiently now.
... To be honest, I want to talk about what I wanted to happen with Dong Jae as the blackmailer with someone!!! This is too long already, though. I'm embarrassed by how much I wanted it and how much it's not going to happen. Haha... golly. Anyone up for some now completely out of character AU fanfiction?
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 12:34 PM
I’m certain that we’re leading up to HJ realizing that that he’s got a crush and coming to terms with the fact that he’s gotta uncrush to protect his friendship with YD.
yeah, that was what I thought too - but even ahead of Yeon-doo, he's going to prioritise uncrushing and dealing with it so he can protect Yeol from that knowledge. As of episode 9, I think he's only just started to realise what the warm fuzzy feelings he has around Yeon-doo add up to, and the hug was the trigger. But he has registered Yeol's interest in her before and even if he doesn't quite know that Yeol's serious and not only teasing/trolling her, he does know on some level.
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saehee
November 4, 2015 at 4:00 PM
Yeah, that too. Hm... how do I say this? I was in this drama for the platonic friendships, especially the ones that crossed gender barriers, so HJ's crush was never up my alley (not that the grounds for it weren't there! i'm not saying it wasn't reasonable. i just wasn't ever caught up in anything more than the friendship angle. to be honest i was only tangentially interested in the whole YD/Y ship, if anything, so the bulk of the shipping going on never interested me. seriously, i'm a friendship freak.)
The signs are there, I absolutely agree with you! I just have no solid commentary. I was much more invested in YD and HJ's friendship from the start, and I always felt like HJ needed more friends than lovers in life. This plot just seemed a little unnecessary and tangential to the main idea of the show when the plot itself already had very little time to utilize. Like, where did HJ reaching out to SA back at the water go? Did that ever amount to anything but a one-off thing? Did Jisoo and Eunji's insane chemistry kill that plot trail in the water? That would SERIOUSLY tick me off lol. My concerns have been more focused on the craft of the show than the characterization (which has been remarkably complex and consistent, no matter how I feel about the show.)
I think that the Y+HJ unit will be fine. This is Sassy Go Go and I'm not really expecting them to have anything more than a dozen tortuous feelings about liking the same girl before HJ opts to give YD over to Y (which, by the way, if it's phrased like that it is going to drive me NUTS). HJ is a good kid and I don't expect him to make any new problems (and if he does I really will lose faith in the show.) I've just never been into a love triangle and I never will be.
:( Sorry I can't give better commentary on this. Y and HJ's friendship, while wonderful and strong, hasn't been my investment in the show.
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Miranda
November 5, 2015 at 5:33 AM
But this is sort of good for Ha Joon, even if it hurts initially: he's probably never had a crush in his life, and it also sounds like Yeol's never seriously dated a girl before (though flirting up a storm). It's been Ha Joon and Yeol agains the world since they were little kids, and the reality of that was Yeol taking the lead and Ha Joon trying not to fall apart. Ha Joon's world has been vanishingly small: angry dad, studying, and Yeol.
Now there's Yeon Doo, and she's a good complication. He's feeling a crush, he's in a position to put Yeol first, he's going to have to figure out how to shape his relationship with Yeon Doo. These are all thing he's a good 6 years behind on, honestly. They're outside-world problems that Ha Joon hasn't had the emotional energy to face until now, and Yeon Doo is an excellent trial case because there's really no way things can go wrong: she's not going to flirt with him, she's not going to lie to him, she's not going to stop being his friend, and if he tries to cut her off she's just going to keep coming at him until he makes room for her.
He'll be okay. This isn't a growing pain you can avoid forever.
pogo
November 5, 2015 at 9:08 AM
@Miranda - I agree. I think this is a growing pain Ha-joon has to face up to, but he's definitely strong enough not to let it crush him totally - Yeol is too important to him for that. I do love the way Yeon-doo has drawn both him and Yeol out of their little unit of two, and made them both stronger for it. This isn't something that will destroy them, no way.
saehee
November 5, 2015 at 5:18 PM
Agreed on all counts. I'm not saying that what you two are saying isn't fair, or reasonable, or even unimportant or not compelling. It's all important, and I think the show will exemplify the strength Ha Joon (and Yeol and Yeon Doo) has needed to gain as a person to face life after school as we proceed into the last week. It's a very valuable story, and one that I'm very glad is on TV.
... I'm just not invested in it, lol. I'm really glad that you guys have found a lot to discuss, though? It's a testament to good TV that people can find value in parts that others may pass by.
Linh
November 21, 2015 at 3:05 AM
@Miranda ~ Ha Joon wouldn't cut her out lol Yes, Yeol IS too important to him, but for what Yeon Doo have done for him and was the one who actually changed him for the better, even though it's painful for him to have strong feelings on her, he still wouldn't cut her off and wouldn't think of betraying her (betraying, as in drop her out of his life) either. I'm glad that everything has been solved now :) Basically, not just the bromance that survived from this great trial of Yeon Doo, but also the friendships between them three has survived as well, now the three of them has no more secrets and guilts with one another, it was counted as their confidantes in one another too haha But I'm sure, there will be more trials in these three friendships and relationship in the future too, but looking how strong they have become, I'm sure they will survive it through together, just like how the sisterhood of YD and SA survived through so much evil, and how the trial of Yeon Doo survived for the bromance and their relationship with her. Now they are sharing her with each other hahaha
However, what about Yeon Doo's friendship with Dong Jae? hahah DJ probably privately felt like Ha Joon felt when he found the closeness between YD and KY at first, like Yeol's taking his best friend away from him hahah Or maybe not. But DJ, IS sort of like HJ in a way, because they are always with YD and KY, but then YD and KY enters one another's life. hahah I do wonder how DJ actually feels when Yeol enters her life, I know it's different from the way the RK kids entered YD's life because though they entered her life, they aren't exactly personally close to her like how Yeol enters her life.
plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM
I totally thought it was Dong Jae as the blackmailer, partially because I wanted him to be. For once I hadn't formulated much of how or why I wanted it so I will be glad to listen.
What is AU fan fiction? Alternate universe?
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saehee
November 4, 2015 at 4:06 PM
That's correct! I'm calling DJ being the blackmailer an AU fanfiction because it changes very crucial parts of DJ's character and assumes that the love triangle takes a back seat to actual plot occurring. (Not that we need much plot for the main draw of the show to happen - Sir Crinkles and Miss Eunji, I'm looking at you two).
I have a much longer answer for you but I am actually pretty emotional about this and I've probably typed something in my reply that I will regret tomorrow. :( I will have a better, less emotionally fueled answer tomorrow sometime, I promise.
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 8:19 PM
I will look forward to it. Chocolate and walking helps me regain an emotional balance. (As much as I'm capable)
saehee
November 5, 2015 at 5:19 PM
thanks bud, I've done both and I'm definitely better now. :)
This ended up a little emotional anyway but I did try to pull myself back. A caveat: this DOES come from a place of extreme bias (I got into this drama for Hakyeon, I'm not going back on that), but I tried to approach my feelings based on what I would have liked for the story as a whole, not just for DJ. I am not the writer so I can't say I could've done it better, but I made a story I would've enjoyed! I hope other people would've liked to watch this too.
The key point in this episode for DJ was revealing that he didn't want to hurt anyone as a result of his actions, without any pretense or subtext to his emotions. This cemented the characterization that he couldn't be the person blackmailing SA. However, before that moment, his motivations were up in the air because we didn't know anything about him. We could point out reasons why the notes could have been from Y or Jae Young or Da Mi, or why it couldn't be HJ or Hyo Sik, but with DJ we had no clue. There was a lack of good characterization going on here. However, the moment at the campfire was the lynchpin of the whole season with regards to his character: this is the first time we had any perspective on DJ's thoughts besides his fight over his disability. This was the penultimate chance for us to see what was really going on in DJ's head.
The directors had a clear choice to make here: was this show going to be more about the ensemble or was it going to be about Yeon Doo and her boys? The culprit was then written to be Yeol, which simplified DJ's character and allowed the proceeding situation to revolve around SA, Y, YD, and HJ. Boiling DJ down to his one problem made him narrative dead weight after episode 10, allowing the writing team to neatly cut him (and SA, who is also narrative dead weight at this point) out of any ensuing drama. The plot wouldn't be relative to him, not anymore. His story is done.
(As an aside, I'm kind of upset about this because the show literally made his character about his disability. The rest was just being a peripheral character to YD and SA's character arcs. Like, can we have a character with a disability whose struggle isn't solely about his disability? Anyone? Please?)
His character could have easily been written the other way around: that despite his fear of hurting others through his own actions, he would go that far for Yeon Doo, and perhaps realize his mistake too late, making him become someone he didn't want to be. That is a VERY interesting conflict to add a character who only has one to work with.
saehee
November 5, 2015 at 5:19 PM
Seriously, think about it. If he had been clever this entire time, then SA would have gotten her comeuppance. Assuming he hadn't forgotten all the shit he's found out about her, he had all the proof he needed to get her not only kicked out of school but blacklisted from any university worth its salt. Assuming Y and YD wouldn't, imagine him being the kind of person who would for petty revenge. Presenting the proof to the school (or hey, through social media, which is a thing in SGG land) would have completely ruined SA's life. Imagine the fall out from that! (Actually, I've fully imagined the fall out from that, and it would have affected every single other character in the show, to the point where they would actually have to consider the bigger picture with regards to their happiness for all of them. I have it all written down. Again, I have written way too much about this but like, ask me again for the alternate universe where we weren't headed towards a love triangle and I will deliver. (Probably in the next post actually, I've been obnoxious here, but I have at least 5000 characters (and counting) worth of exposition on a world where everyone in this show was allowed to be interesting. Seriously.))
And that's my beef, I guess: DJ could've been interesting. He could've actually been UP to something instead of being practically missing for the entirety of the show. Instead of just being a cheerleader to YD and a good friend and a sweet person, he'd also be a little too obsessed with YD's wellbeing; his guilt over her fall would have different facets that could have been explored through the latter third of the show. He would've interfered with YD's life to the point where YD would have to actually discuss her relationship with him, and make them face a future where they aren't attached at the hip in the same way (but are still fond of each other and connected and still happy, which was the point of the entire show.)
I think my point is that, while DJ is super sweet and endearing as he is now, he doesn't really have flaws. He's boring. He's got character quirks and he's endearingly obnoxious sometimes, but he's got no dimensions, no true purpose in the story as both as a character and as a tool for the narrative, no real struggle. (Or, well. Okay, he did have one, but that's essentially over in the next episode. No one in the world only has one character flaw to contend with. Not one.) Even Sung Jae in Reply 1997 got a better deal.
I'm more upset about this than I should be, but that was my point. I thought I was getting into an ensemble cast, not three protagonists, a villain with only one or two true facets under her facade, and the human equivalent of a tooth filling. I mean, an adorable tooth filling, yes, but I wanted a person. I really really really did.
byeolbits
November 5, 2015 at 7:09 PM
@saehee:
Thank you for your posts! I think you explained your thoughts really well :)
I'm disappointed they didn't go further with Dongjae, because he had the potential to be a multi-faceted character, to be super sweet and loyal to Yeondoo and yet also protective to a fault. His blank expressions could have been part of a larger storyline (e.g. ASD), but the scriptwriters seem to have thrown that away in favour of the love triangle (who are involved in literally everything). I wish they'd explained his forgetfulness, too.
I really wish the show had played out like you described -- it'd be really interesting to explore friendship and what it means to be a best friend without overly interfering or obsessing over your friend. It would also give a convincing explanation to why Dongjae was offscreen for so long. If he'd been the one to reveal everything about Sooah, it would've been a great opportunity for characterisation, and it would also have made the loveline between Dongjae and Sooah more interesting. They'd both have done something wrong to each other, and they'd need to learn how to apologise and forgive.
Dongjae could have been a really interesting character, but they chose to let him fade into the background, just so they could focus on the OTP / love triangle / Sooah. Admittedly, I started watching this drama for Jisoo and Hakyeon, so once they started focusing on the OTP (and their parents) and dropping Hajoon and Dongjae's storylines, I started losing interest. Yes, the OTP is adorable, Sooah is compelling, and I still enjoy the show. But I don't love it as much as I did in the beginning, or as much as I thought I would. :(
Oh well, on the bright side, we'll get to see a LOT more of Hakyeon in four days! :D
saehee
November 5, 2015 at 8:03 PM
@Aki: COMES BACK ROARING FROM THE DEAD!! Yes, yes, you've made all of my points! DJ literally following SA around to the point where he always caught her at her worst would've explained why YD hadn't been seeing much of her Haddong perfectly: he'd been busy following SA around for the express purpose of making her life hell. Which is, of course, what he promised in the first episode of the show. Brilliant. That would have been some class A writing. Narrative cohesion. Every character has a purpose.
That would have opened up a huge can of worms! SA would have had to renavigate her life as a social outcast, of course... but more importantly, this would have destroyed YD's friendship with DJ. No matter how much YD was betrayed by SA, YD has been a believer in second (and third and fourth) chances from day one. YD would NEVER approve of DJ protecting her like that. Surprise! YD and DJ's relationship would then be interesting and dynamic (without even introducing a loveline!), Yeon Doo would have to wrestle with the fact that despite her best intentions and her desire to take the high ground, shit happens and your closest friends might be the cause. Y and HJ could both approach YD for a quick "define the relationship" between her and DJ and then proceed to define their relationships with each other. Hell, DJ could have then seen the error of his ways - and honestly, blackmailing anyone to that extent and on the level he had would have been disgustingly low and he would've needed the reality check. Imagine SA fucking with DJ with even more malice now that she knows he can take a little more shit than he had first let on! Imagine SA hurting YD to hurt DJ!!! Imagine them pushing each other out of their comfort zones so hard that they end up understanding each other a little more than they would have liked! Like, holy cow!
After that (and maybe after a good tongue-lashing from YD), pulling SA back from the traffic would have actually carried some narrative weight for DJ because that would have been the only chance for him to make things right on so many levels - to take back a wrong he had done with his own hands, to try to begin to undo harm that he did (and this would have been even more significant for SA, who would have truly reached dead rock bottom and have had literally no future from there). They would have had a perfect parallel weight with each other. That scene would have meant something. Like, hell, SA could have still taken DJ out on the date because at that point he'd be the only one who'd still consider it because he's a kid and sometimes he doesn't consider the consequences of his actions and like. He's already had his revenge, maybe he would have been the type to immediately let bygones be bygones after revenge was had. Imagine the date with that kind of overtone hanging over it. Imagine him with that kind of characterization. Things would have been wild.
This happened instead.
saehee
November 5, 2015 at 8:11 PM
OKAY STARLIGHT TIME:
Did you see Hakyeon's candids from the day after the 9th episode of SGG? Holy shit, I've never seen him look so bummed, not even after the promotion cycles for Hyde. I wouldn't have thought much of it, but the kids were actually trying to make him smile during their appearance in Beijing. Like, legit revving up the aegyo machine to get the smile back on his face. It was really bizarre, I've never seen them so concerned about his wellbeing. This must have hit him really hard. :(
He's been so hyped lately too. :(((( He was back in his hometown for that one concert and he looked SO CUTE smiling like his face was gonna fall off and dancing with so much more energy than earlier in the year. he was super smiley throughout pre-promotions until yesterday... now he still looks like he's having trouble with getting a smile back on his face. I hope his bandmates have been treating him well, the little shits. :P
IM REALLY HYPED ABOUT RAVEN-COLORED HAIR LOVE DRUNK HAKYEON IN A FEW DAYS THOUGH the beat in chained up sounds so nasty and sick i love itttt and the colors are so gooooooood :))) I just hope the content isn't gross or exploitative... otherwise IM HERE FOR RIDICULOUS BDSM VIXX
pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 9:36 PM
@saehee @Aki the possibility of Dong Jae being the blackmailer is an interesting one and might have fit with his character but I think the writers tried to work as much as they could with the actors here. N is quite good for what the role of Ha Dong currently needs, but didn't you mention that his group is working on a comeback I.e. he is busy and probably not spending as much time on the set as the other actors and Eunji? They probably used however much of him they could get and a bigger storyline would need more time from N himself, this drama is already in live shoot for weeks . They don't have that kind of time.
saehee
November 6, 2015 at 9:48 AM
@pigsnout: This is what happens when you let me make a post without making me wait a day for my emotions to settle, lol. Sorry, I got carried away.
OBJECTIVE ANSWER: You're probably right? It's likely that whatever he was upset about had nothing to do with the drama. I'm speculating with what I've got, which isn't much. He could have been dating someone on the dl and they just broke up (eh, maybe), the jet lag could have gotten to him and the press was taking really unflattering pictures (likely), something might have gone terribly wrong for the promotions for their album (?? maybe? he was perfectly happy about it on the night of Halloween though.) To say that it was the drama would probably be me projecting a bit.
However, I think I have grounds to stand on, at least? He has stated a lot that getting a lead role in a tv show was his goal for this year, and although he has a lot of things to do on his plate, he's in a slowdown from where he was earlier - he usually works himself to the bone, not to put too fine of a point on it, but he's made room for this drama (He was in Nicaragua just before the filming for this drama started on top of everything else he does... honestly.) More filming time added to his schedule wouldn't scare him off if it was something he wanted to do. I think he was prioritizing the drama - most of the work he's gotten completed before or came to a close earlier in the drama's production.
saehee
November 6, 2015 at 9:51 AM
If I understand the nature of a live shoot, things can be shoved in and taken out in the editing room at the last second if the latest ratings suggest a particular plot line might be more popular than another. However, in order for that kind of editing to take place, all of the possible scenes needed in order for all possible plot lines to occur must be filmed beforehand. You can't summon up the actors the night before for one last minute scene. You need all the pieces before hitting the editing room. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm speculating heavily and in an uneducated fashion, but at the very least I'm certain that all of the necessary scenes for a plot twist like this to occur, if they were filmed, would have probably been filmed before Hakyeon's schedule filled back up to practice for the comeback. It's not a matter of actor scheduling by the time the footage hits the editing room, it's a matter of content and ratings.
If there wasn't evidence that there was additional footage captured that hinted at the show going on a different path, I wouldn't have even said anything, but in the preview for episode 9 there is a scene of Dong Jae confronting Soo Ah over her lies, which obviously never happened. Adding this to the slew of little nods and hints we've been getting throughout the show... You've got to realize that there is no longer any additional work for the actor to do as long as the rest of the footage has been filmed. This ball probably lay in the editor's court, and this is where they chose to kick it. It's a frustrating situation.
Even when Hakyeon's been ass tired he always seems pretty pleased with himself between schedules and his band members literally never stop giving him shit. To have a complete reversal of his entire attitude in a matter of a couple of days for no reason whatsoever over something that all of the members of his band seem to be aware of and are actually publicly trying to cheer him up about, and seeing as how this is the only thing that has even remotely gone awry... I'm a fan, yes, but I like to think that I gather a lot of information and most of it is unbiased.
In the end, we may never know if things happened like this unless one of the actors lets us know. Hakyeon's fine now, thankfully, and he's definitely perked up since Monday. When it comes down to it that's what really matters.
Linh
November 21, 2015 at 2:31 AM
@saehee ~ It wasn't the Real King kids' fault, and I don't think Yeon Doo would sooo upset with them for doing that even if she promised, but it WAS the right for her to be upset with them because one, they exposed the evidence using her username, if I was her, I would be very quite upset too, if someone use my laptop to expose on someone. What the Real King was right, but exposing that evidence using Yeon Doo's username was the biggest mistake they did because Yeon Doo DID make a promise to Soo Ah, then it just got exposed under her name.
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5 Adal
November 4, 2015 at 11:19 AM
This episode, oh la la!
I always thought Kim Yeol was responsible for the notes. He's the one with the cat and mouse mentality capable of pulling it off. It goes with the way his mind thinks and solves problems.
And Yeol's confession. ....squeal!!!!! There's something to be said for his honesty, it's soooo refreshing. Poor Ha Joon, he's headed for heartbreak, but he ought to have known that Yeol already liked Yeon Doo way before he got friendly with her and has first dibs. In Yeon doo's defense, she's NOT flirting with Ha joon, she's just being her normal, helpful, friendly self. She treats Ha joon the same way she treats Dong jae, her Real kingpals or even her teacher Yang: with friendly interest.
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 1:02 PM
yeah, you and @Miranda were right about Yeol being the blackmailer. And in retrospect he's the obvious choice for it - he has the most direct interest in finding out who stole the video AND in getting revenge for it, he has the resources to go to the security company for the video, and he's planted stuff in Soo-ah's bag before (ep 3, cigarettes). Fair play to you guys!
I loved Yeol's confession. I've been saying this from Day 1, it's just so great to have a hero who makes no secret at all of his feelings, because the flirting is just so enjoyable to watch. But while Yeon-doo registered it on a subconscious level/registered and then shoved it out of sight, out of mind and dismissed it as kim Yeol trolling her, and even reciprocates (that grin when they're on the phone together, that is not the expression one wears when talking to a boy one has no non-platonic feelings for)......Yeol isn't content to leave her interpretation up to chance any more, and removes all ambiguity from the situation (we saw him try to confess before, and Yeon-doo failed to register the meaning of what he was saying).
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 1:40 PM
I think she was more stunned than failed to register. I felt like she was rewinding the words in her head to make sure she heard him right. (I've done that). I also just loved how he laid out his confession; simple, straightforward and honest. *le sigh*
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 6:32 PM
when I said "failed to register", I was talking about all the previous times he tried to hint that he liked her without actually saying "I like you". Notably the banana milk confession of episode 6 :)
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 8:20 PM
Ah! Sorry for interpreting that incorrectly. It makes more sense now.
pogo
November 4, 2015 at 1:12 PM
And yeah, Yeon-doo isn't flirting with Ha-joon - she's behaving exactly the same way she would with any other friend, even in the scene where she tells Ha-joon that he's just a big softie inside and should listen to his own heart more. (and Ha-joon can't miss the huge, blinking Yeol/Yeon-doo signals all over the place - even the video Yeon-doo showed him to prove Yeol's innocence, involved her and Yeol being teased about their relationship by Hyo-shik)
Like people have mentioned before, Yeon-doo is a bit more of an innocent than Yeol when it comes to love, which is why who she likes is immediately apparent from her behaviour even if she doesn't yet realise it. And at the same time, she has so many friends and doesn't treat the guys any differently, so it doesn't occur to her that being alone with Ha-joon in a small enclosed space, or eating late-night jajangmyun together, means something in a romantic way/could be interpreted that way.
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iamme
November 5, 2015 at 2:38 AM
I'm lolling when Yeol is whining about her excessive skinship with the boys, and i love how before she shot him down immediately, she unconciously explaining that it's a cheerleading practice, and she's always like that with the boys.. I dislike a unreasonable jealosy type but Yeol seems like a clueless puppy in here i just can't help squealling how cute he is.. Love how Yeon Doo being the awesome girl by saying after that she will do whatever she wants.. I can already see that it's Yeon Doo who's wearing a pant in their relationship.. Haha
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Miranda
November 5, 2015 at 5:19 AM
It makes me laugh because Yeol's panicking a little about being "official" - like, he's trying to find some way to get Yeon-Doo to signal they're a couple from her end. She's not the kind of girl to make him lunch or trail after him, to the point that even HE isn't sure she knows they're dating, so he's trying to think of something that will make it clear. His expression is so totally different in that scene too, he's not used to asking for favors (usually there's a threat underneath it) and he looks bewildered, it's hilarious. And then she just laughs at him - ha!
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Adal
November 5, 2015 at 5:43 AM
@Miranda It's so cute when you put it that way. I am replaying the scene in my head. LOL.
Miranda
November 5, 2015 at 7:30 AM
@Adal, the funniest thing is that it's totally his own fault: he's known as a playboy and a flirt, he's already hanging around her enough to have her Real King team members teasing them about being a couple (and he's reacting to that by telling them not to interrupt!), and now he has absolutely nowhere to go to publicly emphasize that this isn't just any girl he's flirting with, Yeon Doo is HIS girl.
It's not often that Yeol is in a position where he's played every last one of his cards and hasn't yet accomplished his goal - in fact, I'm not sure we've ever seen him at a loss. Which is why I'm so incredibly entertained that his next stage appears to be a slightly pouty, worried attempt to get Yeon Doo to close the distance. He has no one to blame but himself, and now it's all in her hands!
lolalarue
November 4, 2015 at 1:20 PM
I agree Yeon Doo is not flirting. Or rather she has no idea that the way she acts could be construed by someone interested in her as flirting. Which is why until ep 10 I was slightly concerned about how Yeon Doo felt about Yeol and Ha Joon. Because I think her general cluelessness could have made the situation go either way.
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Miranda
November 5, 2015 at 5:23 AM
You know, it's possible that Yeol has always been a massive flirt, to the extent that not even Ha Joon realized that this time it means something. Hasn't Yeol got a playboy reputation? And we've seen he doesn't back down when called on his flirting...
Ha Joon isn't the most perceptive guy when it comes to other people, I think it's possible that he knows Yeol finds Yeon Doo interesting and loves to tease her, but hasn't quite connected the dots that Yeol is INTERESTED in her. Not that I think it'll make a huge difference in the long run; Ha Joon isn't going to mess with Yeol's girl. Yeol is the only person Ha Joon can 100% count on in life, and he's been his only ally for decades. Might as well ask Ha Joon to remove one of his own kidneys.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 10:42 AM
yeah, Da-mi in episode 4 (and the kid is quite the flirt herself, look at her drawing a heart right on Grumptopus' face!) said Yeol had a rep as a player.
Interestingly, in the actual drama itself Yeol's never actually turned the flirt on anyone but Yeon-doo - there are three girls in Baek-ho but there's not so much as a flicker of interest between Yeol and any of them (even if you remove Soo-ah from the equation because they hate each other's guts). Which points to Yeol earning that rep before the drama began, or perhaps even in middle school and toning it down in high school.
Still, that piece of background information is the only way it makes sense for Ha-joon to have missed all the huge, blinking red flags from Yeol indicating 'INTERESTED HERE' when it came to Yeon-doo. Or at least, how he shoved the early signals out of mind once Yeon-doo became a friend to both of them.
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Maple
November 5, 2015 at 8:08 PM
ah! just saw this comment. totally didn't realize he was known to be a flirt, i thought that this was only directed to YD. I always thought that even before ep 1, Yeol had a slight interest in YD. They def crossed paths before the whole showdown between BH and RK, .
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Linh
November 21, 2015 at 3:57 AM
@maple ~ He probably DO had a slight interest in YD even before episode 1, and yes, they've crossed paths before the whole showdown between RK and BH, because remember, in the beginning of episode 1, YD was in her first year, then when Da Mi and Kyung Eun joined, she's in the second year already. So, of course, that means YD and KY crossed paths before the showdown between two clubs, and I bet SA was Yeon Doo's friend once they both entered the school on their first year.
Maple
November 5, 2015 at 8:04 PM
@Miranda, I didn't realize Yeol was labeled as a playboy/flirt. Where was this in the episodes? I must have totally missed this???
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 9:09 PM
It's in episode 4 during the time Instructor Nam makes the kids get to know each other. Dami asks Yeol if he was dating anyone because he is known to be a flirt.
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6 woohyun's woman
November 4, 2015 at 11:25 AM
This episode was crazy. Especially the ending. From the basis of this alone, it's so hard to see Soo Ah redeem herself. And she really does need psychological help, it's obvious she can't deal with it on her own and her mum pushing her is just honestly so upsetting. Her mum doesn't even realise the effect she's having on her own daughter.
ALSO what on EARTH are they going to do with the parents? The drama is doing so well, I really don't see where theyre going with that plot.
Unless they do something really dumb like, push Yeon Doo and Ha Joon together bcs their parents make KYxYD a forbidden relationship (I seriously doubt that but imagine!!)
Also another plothole I see is, what are they going to do with HaJoon and the abuse from his father? Are they just going to ignore that? It's as if the love triangle became more important.
But honestly, I LOVE this drama. I really enjoy it and it's just so great. I actually got my little brother and sis to start on ep 1 juat now and they love it.
Who doesnt love Kim Yeol's million pound smile? :')
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maripaz
November 4, 2015 at 5:31 PM
As soon as they were introduced I felt like the dad would be making the ultimate sacrifice for his son and not marry Yeon doo's mom. Then Kim yeol would see how much dad cares and reconcile, etc. Agree about ha joon and his dad though. Maybe if this were 16 episodes they'd touch on it more.
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Maple
November 5, 2015 at 8:09 PM
agree with this comment!
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Linh
November 21, 2015 at 4:11 AM
Your interpretation is correct hahah His dad sacrificed the marriage for his son's happiness, and from that, Yeol changed his mind and let his father and Yeon Doo's mom love each other again, but of course, he and YD are NOT giving up on their relationship with each other also. He really cannot lose Yeon Doo in his life, just as much as he doesn't want to lose Ha Joon too haha It's now confirm that not only Ha Joon who is the most important to him, but also Yeon Doo as the most important person to him as well hahah But these three will surely not leaving each other's side like at all, like how when Yeol was being accused, it was only YD and HJ who were there by his side and helped him, and when HJ's not there with them, it's YD (again) and KY who were the only ones went helping him out of his trap in his room. Basically, I would say these three are each other's soulmates, just that Yeon Doo's late in their orbits haha
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7 woohyun's woman
November 4, 2015 at 11:27 AM
Also, its like they've been giving space for us to feel sympathy towards Soo Ah by maintaining some sort of humanity on her behalf. But she went too far. I can see them using mental illness as a front to feel sprry for her and I can see it working. On the basis of how that ended, there's no way she's okay.
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM
Something definitely snapped inside her. I feel like we just watched her slam into a brick wall of reality as to how far she will go to keep from owning up to her own actions even when she knows deep, deep, netherworld deep down how wrong she was.
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8 pogo
November 4, 2015 at 11:31 AM
Quick note - we've had an incredible bromance between Yeol and Ha-joon, but can I also note the fantastic chemistry between our main two girls?
Things positively crackle every time Jung Eun-ji and Chae Soo-bin share the screen, even if they hate each other and Soo-ah is being maddening I can't take my eyes off them. (kudos to both actresses for that and for their own performances - Eunji is just so effortless here in every way, investing what could be a standard bland Candy-do-gooder with heart and vitality and making it so easy to get why everyone including Crinkles and Grumpuppy, is in love with her. And Chae Soo-bin is amazing too, for such a new actress she has an incredibly natural way of portraying even the most intense scenes).
And I literally had an intake of breath at the moment when Soo-ah grabbed Yeon-doo's collar. There's an intensity to that scene which is entirely from the two actresses - it's even more intense than Yeol grabbing and yelling at Soo-ah at the start of the ep, and it feels like Yeon-doo and Soo-ah's personal history just makes this even MORE than that scene.
(back later with more thoughts about CONFESSION! And Grumpuppy, and all the other stuff)
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 1:47 PM
Totally agree with both ladies acting! Excellent!
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es
November 4, 2015 at 5:33 PM
they have crazy chemistry in their confrontations, so much so that i actually enjoy watching them yell at each other because they bounce off each other so well. chae soo-bin is doing a great job with her character; she portrays soo-ah in a way that makes her desperation feel real and palpable, despite the viciousness of her actions.
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 6:39 PM
I know, right?! It's so rare to see that happen between two actresses, because usually the lead/second lead end up with their conflict being about a romantic attachment. This is the first drama in years where the girls' fight is just about THEM.
And they really do bounce off each other so well. I feel like the shreds of their former relationship and its effect on both Yeon-doo and Soo-ah, make it even more compelling.
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sundaexstory
November 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM
Totally amazing chemistry between girls that is rarely seen!
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iamme
November 5, 2015 at 4:16 AM
CSB is so so amazing.. The last confrontation, you can feel her desperation and disappointment because she actually trust Yeon Doo is a never a betrayer at first place.. She's greeting her teeth and her is shaken.. The tension in that scene is just something.. I think CSB's charm is one of the reason i can't truly hate Soo Ah.. I do hate Soo Ah so much, but she got this vibe then make her looks pitiful when she's showing her vulnurable side..
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 10:13 AM
I cannot believe Chae Soo-bin only made her movie/drama debut last year, she's better at this than many actresses who have years of age and experience on her. Makes me wonder if she had years of stage experience pre-drama, like Ji-soo.
And yeah, she absolutely makes Soo-ah - the character does hateful things but CSB is the one who makes Soo-ah's warring emotions and slowly cracking facade so compelling to watch. I really do hope she does more acting work, talent like hers shouldn't be wasted.
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9 pogo
November 4, 2015 at 11:43 AM
hey, why'd my earlier comment go into moderation? :( I'll just have to copy-paste into a later comment tagged to this one, I suppose :/
I pretty much squealed to high heaven at the confession (and also at the bit where all three were out walking in split screen - it's so obvious from the smile on Yeon-doo's face just which one of them she saw first :). I love that Yeol has always been direct about his interest in Yeon-doo (all that flirting!), but has escalated the directness now to a point that leaves her zero room to dismiss it as trolling or misinterpret - a direct confession!
and I love how the jealousy has been escalating - at first in ep 3, he doesn't get jealous about Dong-jae being so close to her, only registers it, and in ep 6 we see him similarly 'register' Yeon-doo being alone with Ha-joon without actually getting jealous, while also presenting Yeon-doo with the banana milk, followed by the big pouty 'what's with the strawberry milk?!' to Ha-joon in ep 8 (a scene that is epic in its own right for what it says about the two boys).....but as his feelings grow deeper, so does the jealousy.
And I love that he doesn't take it out on any of the other boys but goes straight to Yeon-doo with it. (no Kim Tan behaviour, here!) And I almost died at his pouty aegyo face trying to order her not to be around the other guys so much any more - but I LOVE that Yeon-doo is basically 'lol no' about it and just leaves him hanging. You go girl!
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 1:52 PM
I didn't register the progression of jealousy as pin pointed as you did, but you are absolutely right!
One of the things I love about this show is that there is communication and understanding between our 2 main leads. I especially like that Yeon Doo doesn't just go along with what Yeol is comfortable with! No, she laughs and tells him to deal with it. Yes! This should also help with his trust issues if he can let her be who she is and trust that she will remain true to him no matter how she acts with other guys.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 10:07 AM
You know, I hadn't even thought of how Yeol's trust-no-one attitude of years plays into that adorably pouty scene but that is a genius connection to make. I love the idea that Yeon-doo is pretty much setting him on the road to getting over it, just by being herself.
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okiejune
November 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM
Agree with all, especially the pouty aegyo face being a killer! I've rewatched that part at least 10 times :D
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 8:34 PM
His aegyo face when he says 'now let's talk about us', HE IS SO CUTE.
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alias
November 4, 2015 at 5:27 PM
Kim Yeol and Ha Joon make the best pouty faces!! I've never appreciated how adorable a pout could be until them.
Kim Yeol is just so honest and open about his feelings to Yeon-doo. That's some serious foundation to build a relationship on.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 10:09 AM
yeah, I can't believe this pair of teenagers has a more balanced and mature relationship than half the supposed adults of kdramaland.
The pouty faces just KILL ME. (and on a side note, so does Hyo-shik's face when he finds that USB drive with the incriminating video - he SO thought it was p*rn!)
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10 opaque
November 4, 2015 at 11:45 AM
Can I gush over how awesome Kim Yeol is? I love his honest confession. And it isn't through some forced kiss or anything but normal conversation. He respects her a lot, he listens to her, he is honest with her, he trusts her, and he worries about her. That is the kind of boyfriend media should be selling (instead of the bad boy I'm gonna treat the girl badly because I have the emotional maturity of a 10 year old type).
Likewise I really really like Yeon-doo too! Can I have her a friend? I love how she is realistically reaching her limit but at the same time, she takes time to understand another person's position.
I know a lot of people are against Soo-ah but I do understand her a bit. Understanding is NOT the same as pardoning her actions but I want her to get the help and support she needs. I can relate to the feeling of something going wrong and having nowhere to turn, and a bad cycle starting that just spins out of your control. She's locked in her mind and I think her feeling of entrapment is something I can empathize with.
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 12:08 PM
I know, right?! I love that Yeol isn't some perfect prince - the sticky notes and cigarettes plot do show he can be sneaky and well capable of waging psychological war. But as the main love interest, he's just awesome.
I love that at every point in this drama, he has TALKED to Yeon-doo about the important stuff, starting from the reason behind why he needed her to agree to the cheerleading, to his growing interest in her. Even the one time he did try to kiss her, he gave her a verbal heads-up first i.e. a chance to back away if she wanted. He's so openly smitten with her, it's adorable and amusing and just every kind of lovely. And I love that he doesn't force anything, but actually makes it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that he likes her.... and leaves the ball in her court. (and his pouty face when he tells her she can't touch anyone but him, awwwww)
I agree about Soo-ah. I don't excuse any of her actions, but she's been gradually coming unhinged for so long, and is under so much pressure that I can see how she's been programmed to let her desire for her mother's approval override her better instincts as a human. One of the past recaps mentioned that she had the intellect of an adult but the emotional intelligence of a child, and that she failed to think in terms of long-term consequences. And this episode calls on that analogy, especially in the scene where Soo-ah is curled up almost in foetal position on the chair in her advisor's office as she tries to get around the situation.
And her mother is a piece of work, trying to raise her as a walking spec list and not a daughter - I think dismissing just how toxic that relationship and its effects on Soo-ah are, is dismissing the problem.
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 1:55 PM
Soo Ah'a mom appears to be souless. Seeing her child as nothing but a chessboard piece. Does Soo Ah even have dreams of her own?
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 6:59 PM
no, she doesn't.
Her dream is literally to win her mother's approval, and the only way she can do that is by being #1 and getting into an Ivy League school. Which is so sad when you think about it.....what kind of parent withholds affection from their child until the child 'earns' it with achievement?
One thing I have noticed about great villains is that they are ten times more terrifying when they are in any way sympathetic or human in the reasons for their actions. (see: Loki, Shakespeare's Shylock, Min Joo-gook of I Hear Your Voice) and Soo-ah definitely fits that pattern. Definitely one of the great villains of the year!
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 1:21 PM
and oh yeah, seconded on Yeon-doo too. (I am practically spamming the comments now, sorry). It's great the way this episode was handled, from her end - her reluctance to see Soo-ah publicly humiliated is very much in character for her, but I love that she let Soo-ah know she wasn't going to put up with her crap any more and that she was risking public humiliation if she didn't own up to the theft. I loved the entire confrontation at the camp after Yeon-doo's return, because this is a Yeon-doo who's finally decided to give as good as she gets while still giving Soo-ah that one last chance.
And like LollyPip says, one of the best things about that scene is not only getting to see Yeol and Yeon-doo put up a united front against Soo-ah, but also the fact that Yeol steps back and lets Yeon-doo do the talking once she arrives on the scene - he knows this is between her and Soo-ah, and he respects that.
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM
This was scene that ticked me off! I really wished that she had been confronted in front of the team and that Yeon Doo would stop enabling her to get away with her behavior.
I never realized until the the recap that Yeol was putting up a united front with Yeon Do. It adds an extra layer to them and makes me glad I come to DramaBeans.
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM
It's also that Yeon Doo doesn't want to stoop to Soo Ah's level and become the kind of person that Soo Ah is. Like she says to SA in ep 3 or 4, at least live as if you're human.
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iamme
November 5, 2015 at 2:29 AM
You are so damn right! It really feels like it's been a while we get a verbally confession in kdrama because they like to skip it to stunned kiss, forced kiss, etc just to show that he likes her.. So it feels so freakin refreshing to get Yeol's confession like this, it just with only 3 words, i like you.. So simple, yet so deep, and definitely sooo swoon-worthy.. Yeol's direct-ness and honesty is very attractive.. And I really love how this couple is having such a healthy relationship because they always talk about everthing..
And they already acting like a couple.. When he's whining about the skinship and she just like, nope, you have to deal with that.. Too cute! I just can't with these two..
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11 Tif
November 4, 2015 at 11:46 AM
Is it bloodthirsty that I really really want something bad to happen to Soo Ah? I don't want her to die or physically get hurt. . . but if she realizes that she did bad things, apologizes and gets forgiven with no consequences, I'm going to be SO FRUSTRATED!
I get it - her mom sucks. I don't care. Yes, I feel bad for her, but I don't think it excuses her behavior. I know the reviewer likes that there are possibly glimpses of humanity in her. . . but for me, I feel like that's almost worse. Like she knows what she's doing is wrong. . . and then does them anyway. That whole fake crying scene so she could get time to do something sneaky? Sociopathic.
In the preview for ep. 10, it kind of seems like she's going to attempt suicide? Like I said, I don't think her crimes are bad enough for death, but you know she's not going to die anyway. This show has been good for me so far, so I hope it doesn't go the cliche route of "she tried to commit suicide so she must feel bad, let's forgive and forget."
Arghh she frustrates me so much. And yet, I really like her hair. It's always perfect. I can't decide if that makes me like or dislike her more.
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Nanotskii
November 4, 2015 at 1:39 PM
I dont think you should watch episode 10... Just a heads up, I nearly shot myself as to how they "redeemed" SooAh. But more on that when ep 10 recap comes out.
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Tif
November 4, 2015 at 2:29 PM
I dread it so much. I feel like it's definitely going to be something to rant about, so I better wait a day to watch. Haha I hate needing to rant and having nowhere to do it!
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sundaexstory
November 4, 2015 at 10:00 PM
I don't think Soo-ah is redeemed yet in ep.10? It's just showing us that she is coming to her senses and everyone is holding out their hands to this girl. I think her true redemption will be shown in ep.11? Just my opinion, btw. :)
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 11:58 PM
SPOILERS, don't do them! I know that it's difficult but still. .
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sundaexstory
November 5, 2015 at 12:33 AM
Oh I'm sorry!!!
plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 2:06 PM
Lol! "And yet I really like her hair. etc...". You are too cute!
I'm reading your rant, totally agreeing with most of what you say then... that last paragraph. Ha! Yeah, her hair is gorgeous.
Also, take Nanotskii's advice - don't watch 10 if you have settled down. You might want a pillow to scream into.
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Tif
November 4, 2015 at 2:27 PM
Haha when they were camping, the thoughts going through my head in regards to Soo Ah pretty much went, "Geez, I hate you. But your hair looks good. How did you do your hair whilst camping? When you were worried and frantic, did you stop and do your hair? It looks amazing. I want your hair."
Actually, that's what I think every single time I see her do something awful and then fret. It's not believable that your hair would always look good, much less when you're supposed to be stressed! Maybe her problems would be solved with less time on the hair, more time on studying!
I guarantee that I will probably be annoyed with ep. 10 seeing as how I was already tense from the preview lol. But if I don't watch, no more cutie patootie smiles and Ji Soo . . . ah, such is life's dilemmas.
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 12:01 AM
Actually that's how I knew Soo Ah sent the kiss pic in episode 1, because you can see the front of her hairstyle. No one else in the school has hair like that :)
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12 Loopback
November 4, 2015 at 12:00 PM
Episode 10 left me speechless. I almost shot myself
I know Yeo and Ha joon are bros and they share stuffs, but I want Ha joon feelings for Yeon Do to be a secret known to him alone forever. Because I don't think I'd wanna know something like that if I was Yeol, that you are secretly in my love with my boo. Hell No..... I will murder you in your sleep, bromance be damned!
So going to rewatch this all from episode 1 again
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13 elhan
November 4, 2015 at 12:03 PM
Ha-joon is killing me too...gah.
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 12:53 PM
lol me too. Him giving in and pulling her close for the hug was just swoonworthy. As was that little motion of his hand in her hair where it looked like he wanted to draw her closer, but then didn't do it.
And the utter cuteness of this poor puppy reliving all his moments with Sunshine with that grin on his face.....he has it bad indeed.
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Adal
November 4, 2015 at 1:38 PM
Gah! I wish I could give him some love, the poor puppy!
Can we clone Yeon doo so Ha-joon can have his HEA too?
He's so sweet it's amazing!
It's also amazing how I've fallen for both leads in this drama!
♥Kim Yeol & ♡ Ha joon.
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meliyasha
November 4, 2015 at 6:55 PM
This episode cements my hate towards Soo-ah, she's afraid something bad will happen to Yeon-doo but when she sees her alive she's back to threat her and even when she's given the time to 'reflect', she just uses it to find any way possible to destroy the evidence. Sunshine really affects everyone to be the better person through her positive-ness including me because otherwise I'd wish for the worst thing to happen to Soo-ah.
Thanks God there's still cuteness to help me put up with Soo-ah's amazing behaviour that is Kim Yeol. Oh I've replayed that confession scene so many times and still squealing so hard over it. And how cute is it when he's jealous? "Now let's talk about us" got me "Oh wait I'm not ready for this" *giggles uncontrollably and starts fanning myself*
A week left guys, I'm not ready to part ways with them. The first time I'm not really waiting for Shin Min-ah's drama.
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meliyasha
November 4, 2015 at 7:00 PM
Oops sorry. I wanted to write a new comment but my comment ended up here.
pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 9:39 PM
I know, I like So Ji Sub and Shin Min Ah too but I like this drama more. .... I don't want it to end :(
pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 3:01 AM
Oh and if Oh My Venus turns out to be bad, I will be even madder that poor SGG had to end its run and give way to a bad show. It needs to be good!
pogo
November 6, 2015 at 11:15 AM
yeah, I might just kick rocks if a drama as great as this one turns out to be replaced by a crappy one. I really need OMV not to be crap!
plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 2:08 PM
I think he just realized he saw her as a female. Meaning that his intreatest in her snuck up on him. I hope he can sort it out quickly.
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 9:07 PM
I agree, this was when he really begins to see her as a girl.
but that hug, (!!!!!!!!!!!!) Ji Soo looks so manly when he hugs her, this noona is almost dying. If Kim Yeol was not such a great male lead, this would be total second lead syndrome because Ji Soo/Eunji look so cute when they are hugging.
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14 Le Tako
November 4, 2015 at 12:04 PM
With 3 episodes left, I cannot fathom how the show intends to resolve:
1. BaekHo winning the regionals (these kids spent half the time disappearing into wilderness and the other half of it searching for them. How do they find time to practice?!)
2. Yeol-Yeon Doo-Ha Joon love triangle. What is up with kdramas nowadays anyway? They hand us a bromance (or sisterhood, a la She Was Pretty) that I really love and root for, and then muck it up with a 3rd party, like as if their friendship really needs to be tested like that.
3. Yeol and Yeon-doo becoming potential step siblings. Up till now they are still unaware that their parents are dating, and vice versa, and both relationships are still developing strongly. I shudder to think how this can bode well for them. Should the young star-crossed lovers become accidental step-siblings, or should their parents give up a second chance for true love for the sake of their children's puppy love? Or will nobody end up together?! Omg.
I'm surprised there are so many complications in this story but I only hope that all these will be resolved well. I love this show too much to have a bad ending. Please let the bromance continue to blossom and let the kids-parents-lovers quartet have a satisfying ending pleaseee. *offers drama gods sacrificial alpaca*
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opaque
November 4, 2015 at 12:08 PM
I never thought I'd say this about a drama again but I honestly think this drama could have been longer. There's a lot of valuable plot (I think what happened in episode 10 would have felt more organic if it was over a longer time) and material that hasn't been explored properly (Ha-joon's arc).
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 12:17 PM
I agree, this drama could have done with at least two more episodes to play things out and explore issues brought up previously. And I'm worried about Ha-joon too, his arc would have needed the most time after Soo-ah's but they haven't got early enough of an episode count to manage.
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rosiemontgomery
November 4, 2015 at 1:44 PM
I don't think what this drama really needed is an extension necessarily (although more of that would be great) , it needed to stop using Soo-ah as a catalyst for everything that's happened in the show. It needed to start her redemption earler, before she sunk this low and caused so much strife. If the story had focused less on Soo-ah's evil schemes and more on the characters' individual stories and struggles while fighting against the system, it would have been so much better. And while we're at it, why not let the Big Baddie just be the school system, or maybe the principal? I know she's part of it, but her portrayal so far has been very one-dimensional.
Because there's a lot that won't get properly resolved, like Ha-Joon's father issues or the school's corruption. *sigh*
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 2:13 PM
I'm ticked that we probably won't have time for the principal and Ha Joon's dad issues to be resolved satisfactorily.
Agree on more episodes for perhaps the 2nd time ever.
fabdrama
November 4, 2015 at 1:31 PM
The ONE time a drama NEEDS an extension. SMH.
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Adal
November 4, 2015 at 1:39 PM
I know right? This drama could certainly use an extension. Drama gods please help!
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 1:28 AM
I know, right? School 2015 got 16 episodes for its nonsense plot and random storylines but this gets only 12?
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pogo
November 6, 2015 at 11:14 AM
The good stuff never lasts /sigh
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 12:14 PM
re: bromance, I think Ha-joon would rather drop dead than ever let on to Yeol that he likes his girl (if he really has fully registered that he likes Yeon-doo THAT way, or that Yeol has liked her THAT way from almost day 1..... my feeling is that the other shoe has yet to drop, for Ha-joon).
I remember commenting on the episode 1 or some early recap that we were safe from the love triangle because these two wouldn't both fall for the same girl. Well, consider those words eaten.
The stepsiblings angle, I just hope this drama doesn't go the classic kdrama makjang way. I don't think that's much of a danger, but I can't believe the parents are so oblivious that they've never shown each other pics of their children - they're cute together but deciding to get married without even hinting to your son or daughter that you've been dating seriously? Is weird.
*joins you in offering sacrificial stuff to the drama gods* PLEASE drama gods, don't mess this one up!
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fabdrama
November 4, 2015 at 1:23 PM
What if, you know hypothetically, Yeon and Yeol get married first, would that prevent the parents from marrying as well? Just an idea, I'm not obsessed with this at all. *pulls hair*
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 2:21 PM
Ow! *watches own hair float away in breeze*
I would like it if both couples could stay together. I mean it's not like they are going to all live together. The kids stay in dorms at school and then go off to college. What's the big deal, besides possible holiday dinners in the future? Those can be arranged to if one couple doesn't last.
PoGo Sassy Go Go totally nailed it when she pointed out never sharing photos of their kids. Especially in phone obsessed tech land aka South Korea.
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15 hotgimmik
November 4, 2015 at 12:21 PM
I saw too many similarties with Ha Joon becing second lead along with Tae Kwang in school 2015. I don't understand why the love triangle had to be formed. I thought they should have developed on Ha joon's back story with his dad like how we got to learn Yeol's story. I mean, yeah, we know that Ha Joon is under a lot of pressure to a point of suicide and that his dad is a doctor who thinks Ha Joon is an underachiever but what of it? I want to know more about his childhood! there should be some montage of him growing up with only Yeol by his side as best friends. The fact that Yeol's flashback only had the montage of why he doesn't trust adults and not so much inclusion of Hajoon's life makes me feel like their friendship is not as deep as we're supposed to believe.
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM
....."their friendship is not as deep as we're supposed to believe"?
Why, because they've fallen for the same girl?
Because I don't see how a friendship that has Yeol pretty much being the Ha-joon whisperer in the early episodes when they had no other friends, virtually begging and pleading with Yeon-doo (who at the time was a total outsider to the two of them) to join cheerleading just so he could protect Ha-joon from his father's wrath, and (for such a self-controlled boy) losing it altogether and threatening destruction against Soo-ah if she hurt Ha-joon by revealing his secret, isn't a deep and lasting one. The ep 8/9 scene of Yeol yelling at Soo-ah for endangering Yeon-doo is an echo of the ep 4 one where he finds out she is the one behind the cheerleading threat to him and Ha-joon.
I don't love the idea of a love triangle, but I can see why these two would fall for the same girl. And UNLIKE School 2015 with Eun-bi/Yi-ahn, Sassy Go Go has been building up Yeol and Yeon-doo's connection from Day 1 and made it very clear there are feelings of attraction on both sides there, while she and Ha-joon started connecting only later.
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 8:39 PM
I agree. Even when Yeol/Ha Joon incidents are not the main focus of the episode, the depth of their friendship is clear. Like in ep 8 when Ha Joon is going all out to find out the cctv and clear Yeol's name.... how is that not a deep friendship?
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16 goodytwoshoes
November 4, 2015 at 12:41 PM
Hahahaha. Soo ah keeps shooting herself in the legs with her actions. Go on girl, bury yourself more.
When she grabbed my girl Yeon Do my inner b*tch mode got activated, I was ready to fly into my screen and b*tch slap her. Thank God my brother held me down *whew*. I was so close!!!!!!
All I want is for Yeol and Yeon Do to make kissy faces at each other for the remaining 3 episodes.
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 12:50 PM
I've been waiting for Yeol and Yeon-doo to kiss ever since episode 1 with that first not-kiss.
We've had something like THREE almost-kisses/kissing-distance situations happen already, now I am so ready for the real deal! These two adorable chipmunks have more than earned it, considering what they've been through.
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rosiemontgomery
November 4, 2015 at 1:52 PM
I second this. I love their relationship so much, in that it is built from their friendship and understanding more than physical attraction. You can see just how much they enjoy each other's company, and, just...*melts*
They're serious contenders in my list of Favorite Kdrama Couple. Would it be too much to ask for a real, good kiss scene before this drama ends? You know, where the lips actually move...
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neener
November 4, 2015 at 4:03 PM
Wish granted. No regrets in watching this drama ????
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es
November 4, 2015 at 7:16 PM
"Would it be too much to ask for a real, good kiss scene before this drama ends? You know, where the lips actually move…"
yes please..... :(
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 11:45 PM
A real kiss, yes please! :)
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Ameeramandy
November 5, 2015 at 8:22 AM
Yes, please for the real kiss.
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17 obianuju
November 4, 2015 at 1:08 PM
Will keep saying it, if Soo-Ah doesn't pay for her crimes, I'll....curse her? Lol, but seriously she needs to pay. And I hope it ends as Love Rain did, the parents need to take a back seat.
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18 fabdrama
November 4, 2015 at 1:14 PM
TYFGUIJKNIUYTGUI
I hate that that epic confession was shadowed by that ending. That girl's behaviour is gone as far as psycho territory. Unfortunately I don't think the drama is going to resolve her issue in a satisfying or even just a logical way. It has glossed over many things and this won't be any different. And that makes me irrationally mad.
Back to that confession. *swooooooooon*. Yeol telling Yeon in clear words that he wanted to spend time with her and that he can't hide that he likes her any longer is the most mature and swoonworthy confession I've ever seen. Woah.
My heart bleeds for Ha-joon though. I guess him crushing on Yeon is inevitable, really, what can a boy do?
I think if Yeol&Yeon's parents go through with their marriage and in the process force them to become siblings legally(be crazy, law), Ha-joon should jump in and take Yeon's hand. I mean, if you have to go the crazy road, why not all the way.
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pogo
November 4, 2015 at 1:28 PM
I love that Yeol has been dropping anvil-sized hints ALL through the drama ("there's a girl I want to kiss", anyone?) and using every excuse possible to get close to Yeon-doo, to the point where he is pretty much wearing a brightly-lit sign over his head saying 'I LIKE KANG YEON-DOO' and almost everyone else notices and registers it.....but Yeon-doo keeps refusing to take the hint and take him seriously, until he actually says the words as a direct confession - no jokes, no trolling, no teasing. I love that he had to be so direct, and simply went ahead and said it.
I don't even know what's about to happen with the parental angle. I've trusted the SGG team and they've never failed, but the idea that their parents intend to make them stepsiblings..... I hope not. It really doesn't fit the tone of this drama.
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MPC
November 4, 2015 at 1:44 PM
Yeon-doo's mom has been on the fence because of her daughter, even before this. I bet she decides not to go through with it.
Is it wrong of me to want the parents' relationship to continue just as it's been, though? They seem so good for one another! Maybe if the kids ever break up, the pa?rents could turn them into step-siblings...
Now there's an idea for a k-drama-- ex bf/gf (not KY and KYD, of course) becoming step-siblings. Surely this has been done before, right?
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 2:30 PM
I want both couples to stay together!
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Jig
November 4, 2015 at 8:12 PM
Okay, I've read many comments concerned about the parents getting married, but I don't get the big deal. There's been real life cases where adults who already have children marry and then the children end up getting married to their step-sibling (the kids are usually already adult age too though). It's not incest at all. Yeol and Yoon Doo are old enough not to be raised with an idea that the other is a "real" sibling and therefore romantic feelings would seem equivalent to the feelings of an incestual relationship, so I don't think the marriage of the parents would really interfere at all. It would actually make the wedding plans easier since you technically don't have any in-laws...
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doubt_no_more
November 4, 2015 at 9:30 PM
Youre right Crysta, its not an incest but I cant help feeling iffy about the parents relationship. The parents are awesome and cute together, but part of me always asking whether this kind of plot/loveline really necessary for the drama? Maybe just like other commentators said, it is for big sacrifice Yeol's father gonna do for Yeol at the end of the drama which finally opens up Yeol's eyes on how his father truly feels about him, but does it has to happen at the expense of the parents relationship?
I guess its too late to cry over a spilled milk. I know it is useless to keep wishing for the writer to not introduce us with the parents relationship when we are almost done....
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19 plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 1:14 PM
I have to stop reading the recaps like I stopped the video when Yeon Doo covers for Soo Ah -A-freaking-GAIN!!! Arghhhhh!!! This is enabling her! So frustrated. (and I've seen ep 10)
Now back to recap
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20 goodytwoshoes
November 4, 2015 at 1:19 PM
Ofcourse the parents will seat back, especially Yeon Do's mum, she will give herself for her daughter in a heartbeat. So the romance btw the parent don't bother me, I am like #bleh......
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Adal
November 4, 2015 at 1:54 PM
I thought of this. From the perspective of the viewer, I would be very happy if their parents put their romance on hold so Kim Yeol and Yeon doo can have their chance in the sun, but realistically speaking, is it fair to ask that of the parents? Who is to say that the feelings the parents have for each other are any less deeper than those Kim Yeol has for Yeon doo?
I would argue that the parents feelings are deeper because they are older, wiser and have experience on their side. And how many of us had crushes in high school that never saw the light of day? Like that teacher told the lovey dovey couple in School 2015, 'Kids your school romance will most likely end at graduation when you enter the real world so enjoy it for now'. That being said I have known some high school romances that made it into marriage and beyond and are still together decades later. But that was the exception, not the norm.
Still....after arguing for the parents I do so badly want Kim Yeol and Yeon doo to be a couple! (Big sigh). How will they resolve this?!!!!
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 2:31 PM
Move to another country where it's not such a big deal. This frustrates me that only one couple may stay together.
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Mayflower13
November 4, 2015 at 2:50 PM
The first love square where i literally want everyone to win....
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skelly
November 4, 2015 at 2:53 PM
Totally agree! I can't think of a single drama where the parents put their relationship ahead of the kids' which drives me crazy because they are the freaking ADULTS, with relationships that are generally long-standing and serious, and they always sacrifice all for a puppy love that will probably be a victim of the Turkey Drop. I know sometimes a high school romance can go the distance, but it is getting more and more rare every year. I comfort myself with the thought that somehow the parents just wait it out, steer the kids into an amicable breakup with everyone friends, and then get back together again. Sigh.
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bea
November 4, 2015 at 7:20 PM
haha but how awkward would it be for your ex-boyfriend to end up being your step-brother, even if you broke up and were later on good terms.... ackk. nooo.
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pogo
November 6, 2015 at 11:13 AM
well, think about Clueless.....
doubt_no_more
November 4, 2015 at 9:37 PM
Youre so on point!
I want Kim Yeol and Yeondo to be a couple, and maybe married to each other later *off to make my own fanfiction* but I also want the parents to be together too! Im so conflicted I keep pulling my hair on these relationships especially on episode 10!
*sighs* how will they resolve this?
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Mayflower13
November 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM
if this fanfic happens... i want a link, please...
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 1:30 AM
Me too! I don't read drama fanfiction but for this drama, I will :)
fabdrama
November 7, 2015 at 6:53 AM
Make that FF happen and don't forget to let us know!
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21 Lizzie
November 4, 2015 at 1:40 PM
I had so many feelings in this ep but I gave up in ep 10..
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MollyP
November 4, 2015 at 4:03 PM
In regards to Ha Joon right? I can't even deal with his ickle heart right now.
*sobs in a corner*
Oh Drama Gods- let him get the girl for once!
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iamme
November 5, 2015 at 6:11 PM
or it's about Soo Ah..? it's either because of Ha Joon or Soo Ah..
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 1:32 AM
Yeah, those two are prominent in ep 10 but Soo Ah even more so. Like her orhhate her, it's not possible to be indifferent about her.
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22 emily loves Sassy
November 4, 2015 at 1:51 PM
Thank you for the recap LollyPip! I'm finding that my love for SGG increases each episode.
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 3:03 AM
I know right? Same here. (And I see another changed username for SGG ♥♥♥)
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23 maythida
November 4, 2015 at 1:51 PM
Ha-Joonie... boy, he set himself up for heartbreak, didn't he? You can't make me believe that this boy didn't notice all the pointed looks and attention his best bud was giving to Yeon Do. I mean, the director showed us multiple time how he looked at Yeol wondering why he was paying such close attention to the strange bright girl...
as for Soo Ah, well, let's just say I don't think she deverves half of the sympathy she's got. kuddos to the actress though, she plays a pretty convincing devil's spawn
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Jennipoh
November 4, 2015 at 7:40 PM
Yeah! Ha Joon even asked once if Yeol wasn't jealous that Yeon Doo hangs out with guys so intimately. Don't know why the writer suddenly made him dumb and oblivious all of a sudden. Ha Joon KNEW Yeol liked Yeon Doo and should've just backed off like the good bud he is.
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 8:29 PM
But Yeol answered him in a joking manner back then and after that Ha Joon finds out that Yeol didn't join cheerleading for Yeon Doo, he joinedit to protect Ha Joon from having his cutting incident found out and taken out of the school by his horrible father. So maybe he later thought what Yeol said and did back then about YD was a joke to cover up his lie/his attempt to protect Ha Joon?
but I agree that there are too many times when Ha Joon seems to notice that Yeol likes Yeon Doo, like the ep 4 'girl I want to kiss' in the club room, ep 5 Yeol smiling as Yeon Doo sleeps on his shoulder.......or even the ep 8 scene where Yeol really gets jealous of strawberry mik and grumbles to him. I understand he doesn't know his own feelings but he at least seemed to notice Yeol's. Or maybe he thought Yeol was only flirting?
I mean, there is the scene of ep 8 where he watches the video to prove Yeol's innocence but is so focused on the USB stick that he shows no awareness of the fact that the video is of Yeol/Yeon Doo being teased about their earlier skinship!
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Linh
November 28, 2015 at 10:14 PM
@pigsnout
I agree. Ha Joon KNEW Yeol has feelings for Yeon Doo, and he did take notice of that. But he thought Yeol wasn't really being serious with his feelings to her because of his joking and teasing manners to her, and he also could see through Yeon Doo too, that she as well doesn't take any notice of Yeol being serious with her and thinks he just likes to tease and troll her so that's why she keeps Yeol's intentions out of her mind most of the time. So that's why in this episode, Ha Joon has not yet have any guilt of his feelings for Yeon Doo yet, until he saw the new light between Yeol and Yeon Doo's relationship in the next episode.
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24 Mayflower13
November 4, 2015 at 2:42 PM
Yeol and Yeon Doo and Yeol's dad and Yeon Doos mom make up one bizarre love square, because as much as we love Yeol and Yeon Doo together, their parents are equally adorable....
How are the last 2 episodes gonna deal with that and Soo Ah and the lizard principal-lady and show us some Cheerleading...
Also poor Teacher IM... poor guy.
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NChoe
November 4, 2015 at 3:54 PM
Agreed!!! The children are actually just younger version of their parents. They're pretty much alike. No wonder parents couple are equally adorable with children couple.
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Adal
November 5, 2015 at 5:56 AM
Completely agree.
The parents are a more mature version of KY and YD. A reflection of how KY and YD will look in twenty years time. How can I NOT root for both couples? It explains why they are mother, daughter are attracted to father, son respectively.
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25 Jenn
November 4, 2015 at 2:47 PM
Soo-Ah is on a whole other level of crazy. I felt that Yeondoo and Yeol were protecting Soo-Ah and giving her one last chance to show that she's human but she only fell deeper into the dark side. I guess it's hard for her to suddenly up and up change her ways when her mom and all the grownups constantly push her to succeed. Especially her mom. I think parents are an enormous influence on how their children turn out. Her mom only wants the best from Soo-Ah, she gives off a feeling that if Soo-Ah is not the top she'll disown her or something. And Soo-Ah herself is to blame too. She only sees people are objects she can use to her advantage, not living breathing persons with feelings and emotions. Soo-Ah is in her own world where she's trying to cheat the game but hasn't realized that the game is already over for her.
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26 rhia
November 4, 2015 at 3:01 PM
You the best, Kang Yeon-doo, I luff you!!
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 7:52 PM
Same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
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rhiaa
November 5, 2015 at 10:31 PM
I would totally love to have a friend like her. :D
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 2:03 AM
This is the first time I have seen a drama heroine where it's so easy to see why everyone loves her so much - Yeol, Real King, Dong Jae, Ha Joon, the viewers, everyone! Lol ♥♥
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27 Ameeramandy
November 4, 2015 at 3:12 PM
Thankyou for the recap~
I've watched the show repeatedly yet still wait for this post :D
God thanks for the romance, huaa, the OTP just made me giggling any seconds they in, and for the friendship... oh my God, the team is freakin wonderful, it seems... not only Yeol and Yeon Doo, but all, they're in same frequency.
Well, Soo Ah still the special case. When she done cowardly thing and more furious, i've thought i might couldn't feel any sympathy for her, but it turn out wrong. I have someone like her (maybe less crazy and her family not so powerful as her) in my school days, and what Yeon Doo did is just right on point. And for someone who raised in such self-centered ways like her, she is good enough for still feel fears.
And for the redemption, maybe it will feel too kind for someone like her, but i think i will still welcome her, what she's been through is quite different from the rest of them, her twisted-way-mind is indeed dangerous. Yet she is still teenagers, who felt insecure and always thought any matter heavily when actually things is a way easier than what she've been thinking.
Oh when Ha Joon being asked who his first love is, for a second i scream at my sceen "It's Bang Wool tomato, his first love is a ajumma". I must missed Bok Dong a lot hahaha
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Linh
November 28, 2015 at 10:42 PM
Yeah, what she went through is different from the rest of them. In Ha Joon's case, he would have been similar to Soo Ah in that case too, but what set him apart from her is that he has had Yeol by his side, and then Yeon Doo came in to set him in a whole new world of living his life, so he's luckier than Soo Ah in this case.
But for Soo Ah, she has no one besides the one who committed suicide in her middle school, AND she would had Yeon Doo as her true friend, IF she didn't decided to use her for any cases of her intentions in the first place. But like you said, she's still like any teenagers that feels insecure and deeply needs help to get her out of this whole traps she's in by her mom, she just doesn't know how to ask for help and just escapes her own braveness to be in her mom's traps.
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28 MollyP
November 4, 2015 at 4:00 PM
This drama has made me extremely nostalgic, as it reminds me of why I first began to adore Eun Ji as an actress! Im re-watching Reply 1997 all over again and my love for all the characters is reawakening (Yoon Jae... sigh!).
Ji Soo is absolutely killing me. Will he ever gets the girl? somebody give him a drama where he gets the girl, even if they mess with me and make me think he's the second lead, and then he wins out in the end. I cant take another heart break for my puppy. Don't get me wrong, Yeol is wonderful and I love him, but he's your ideal lead. Cant the under dog win please? The last time I recall that happening was in Dream High (do correct me if I'm wrong).
Im off to go and swoon over Ji Soo in Angry Mom now.... AGAIN!
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29 growingbeautifully
November 4, 2015 at 4:08 PM
Thank you dear LollyPip for another good recap!
I love what you say about Yeol's respect for Yeon Doo. What struck me once again is how very aware he is of himself and other.
He has observed and knows Yeon Doo and knows when she is behaving out of character, and that she will be unhappy if she follows through, but he doesn't lecture her on it.
He guessed correctly that Soo Ah had targetted Yeon Doo and the reason for it.
And he is so consistently self aware, without trying to hide the truth from himself (quite rare for our kdrama characters) ... "He admits that he felt responsible, and that when he blew up at her, he was really angry with himself. Yeol says that he wishes he’d been the one to find her, and been able to give her a hug when he did." - It's amazing that he admits all that to himself and to Yeon Doo so matter-of-factly. I love this scene and his confession and his patient, questioning look, while waiting for her answer.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 10:03 AM
I LOVE the confession scene and then the followup after cheerleading practice.
Yeol is all sweet, mature, respectful young man trying to make his feelings clear to the girl he likes in the first scene, and then in the next he's a pouty little boy who's whining about how he wants her to himself and she hangs out too much with the other boys. It's just too cute.
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Linh
November 28, 2015 at 10:56 PM
And I love that fact that he also seems to be well aware enough of Yeon Doo's own feelings towards him too, so that's why he decided to make his feelings clear and confessed to her. But at that moment of his confession, she looks so shock and didn't know what to answer from his question through that haha So I'm glad that Ha Joon came in at the right timing for her to have a little bit of time for her response, but I'm sure Ha Joon didn't overheard the conversations between Yeol confessing to Yeon Doo, if he heard it, he wouldn't ask that question about why they were being awkward after he came in haha
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30 Jig
November 4, 2015 at 4:11 PM
I guess I was just holding on to false hope that Ha Joon wasn't into Yeon Doo. Ji Soo, as tempting as a drama looks, next time make sure you get the girl or you're just going to continue to break this noona's heart.
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31 asmara
November 4, 2015 at 4:51 PM
Score another one for Sassy Go Go!
Will this show stop being more and more adorable yet inspiring? No, it doesn't stop. I my self has a kind of argument with my colleague that if I talk to my boss just once on how he threatened me, he would be kicked out of the office. No, I don't do that. Thus, what Yeon Doo did to Soo Ah by continuing giving her opportunities really tugs me in the heart. Yeon Doo is just so inspiring.
And how cute is that when Yeol just being so possessive with Yeon Doo and Yeon Doo just giggling to herself knowing that Yeol is jealous? Love that scene!
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asmara
November 4, 2015 at 4:53 PM
Oh, and thanks LollyPip for the recap. As always, you got every thing I wanted to say about this show.
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32 Sera The Ms Temper
November 4, 2015 at 4:59 PM
I had a little hope that this drama will not has any love triangle, but unfortunately it has. I will wait up to epi 10 recap before stated my opinion. Previously, i just read recap without commenting, but now i feel i want to express my opinion as well on my take for epi 10.
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33 gadis
November 4, 2015 at 5:00 PM
Jealous Yeol is soooo cute and Hajoon officially break my heart now. Ah writer-nim, why can't you just make him like Yeondoo as a friend? I don't need any rift in his relationship with Yeol. SooAh definitely cross the bridge with no return now. She is just unredeemable in my eyes.
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34 dkaoru
November 4, 2015 at 5:10 PM
I love this drama. I'm not fussed about who ends up with who. The message of this show to me is the friendship. Just like what teacher Yang said that if you can find friends who will support you, you can endure just about anything.
While I hate what Soo Ah did, I hate her mother even more. She needs to take some lessons on what is really important in life. I feel so sorry that Soo Ah doesnt have an adult in her life who can influence her in a positive way. Her mom and her mentor/coach (what is she, actually??)are crazy. I think deep down (wayyyyy down) Soo Ah is not as bad as her actions because she seems to be conflicted with what she felt is wrong but she felt she had to do it. A truly 'bad' person will not be as conflicted.
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sundaexstory
November 5, 2015 at 12:46 AM
I know!! I hate Soo-ah's mother so much in ep10.
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opaque
November 5, 2015 at 11:38 AM
OMG yeah her mother is terrible. Her daughter is sitting there crying at the person she's become but it's only specs! Even when her daughter almost commits suicide, she doesn't change. But sadly very reflective of true life :(
I loved the scene where Soo-ah looked at herself in the mirror and remembered all the things that she's done and just realized what a monster she had become. She hit pit bottom and that moment of it clicking for her...
If only her mother could have that moment *cries*
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 12:10 PM
I know, that scene was upsetting and horrifying to me on a personal level. :(
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35 Aigoooo
November 4, 2015 at 5:23 PM
I am not liking the Soo Ah story arc/redemption. This is not like going into a confession booth and getting your sins absolved. She has a lot to answer for and if the drama sweeps all that under the rug just because she needs saving then I think the drama would have failed for me in that aspect of the story.
I also wish they did not go with the love triangle. The Yeol - Yeon Doo romance can stand on it's own without the added angst. They already have the issue of the parents also dating to complicate things and the two of them coming from two opposite social group in school is also plenty. I think it would have served the drama better if they had just expounded more on Ha Joon's family issues and Yeon Doo becoming his female best friend.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 10:00 AM
The love triangle hasn't even affected Yeol and Yeon-doo in any way, really - as far as they know, it doesn't exist. It's Ha-joon who'll have to deal with his feelings without tipping his friends off, he's the only one who's bound to have angst about it and as Miranda says, it's a growing pain he will survive.
And as for the opposite social groups in school thing.....this drama really hasn't made a huge production out of the fact that Rank #1 likes Rank #196. They get teased a little by their friends but it's not even a factor in how they interact with each other.
As for Soo-ah, I think this is her final break. The thing that's going to really undo her is finally getting an unvarnished look at what she's become - it's ugly, and she'll have to face it. The others may forgive her, but I doubt she's going to forgive herself that easily.
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rhiaa
November 5, 2015 at 10:30 PM
This is actually what I think would be the best and the worst 'punishment' for Soo-ah: living with the guilt of what she has done. Living while knowing that she caused hurt, both emotionally and physically, and knowing that no matter what she does, there might be no way with which she can make up for all of what she did.
Others have mentioned that they would not accept mere feelings of remorse and asking for forgiveness as a way to redeem Soo-ah, but what if the 'punishment' is one she inflicts on herself--recognizing that she was wrong, that nothing could reverse that wrong, and yet despite that, others forgive her out of the the goodness of their heart, which she knows is not, and will never be, enough. Not being able to forgive herself would be the worst 'punishment.' If nothing else this would mean that she would no longer revert to being a person as terrible as she was from the past episodes.
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rhiaa
November 5, 2015 at 10:32 PM
Also, I'll be joining the bandwagon and changing names for this show. :D :D :D
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 12:29 AM
Yay!!! Join the (cheerleading for this drama) club ♥♥♥♥
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pogo
November 6, 2015 at 10:44 AM
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Linh
November 29, 2015 at 12:07 AM
@pogo♥Sassy Go Go
You are so on point about the love triangle thing. Also, it's very, very obvious that for Yeon Doo and Yeol, friendships for them has always comes first before anything else, but it's also very obvious that it goes the same way for their love for each other as well. Their eyes and hearts has always been laid on each other, knowing how loyal they are to their own respective friends, their hearts would never be waver for anyone else either, that's why, for them, it doesn't exists.
So it only goes for Ha Joon to actually deal with how he's going to un-crush his feelings for Yeon Doo, but of course, it's not easy because it's totally not easy to control your feelings for someone that had already happened. The awakening moment for him was when Yeon Doo tapped lightly on his chest and told him to listen to and follow his heart better, that was when it got to him deeply. Now that hugging scene became an awareness to him, and you can tell that, that really left a biggest impact on him because clearly he had never been that close to someone besides Yeol all his life, Yeon Doo was the first person to drawn him out of his attempt of suicidal and shows him how to ardently live, so that left a big gratitude towards her within his heart. Then it just happened to leave him having a strong feelings for her. What she did for him was something Yeol couldn't do for him, or not yet had not done for him, so when she became the person that made his life better living, he starts to have good feelings for her, the feelings that he shouldn't have had in the first place, it really left a really big impact for him on her.
And you're also right about the opposite social groups in school thing lol However, I think what @Aigoooo meant was that in the beginning of the drama, they were showing the two battle lines between Real King and Baek Ho clubs before they merged together into the cheerleading club and bond together, I think that's what they meant by coming from opposite social groups. About Yeon Doo's rank, I'm glad that she has now increase her rank up by one point from the help of her ahem*boyfriend ahem* hahah
As for Soo Ah, what I "actually" appreciate in her is that her actions and the person who she really is from way, way deep down are two opposite things. Her real struggle is braveness. She's not brave enough to stand up against her mom and always get herself entangle in her mom's trap, but then again, she has no one to give her an encourage-ment to stand up to her mom. She just feels so lost and has nowhere to go like any lost teenagers would feel. She sacrificed her own happiness just to follow her mom's path and go with the success and studying path.
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36 maripaz
November 4, 2015 at 5:44 PM
I really enjoyed this drama in the beginning, but with this episode it feels more and more like the Soo Ah show and not the Yeon Doo show. Yes, she was interesting in the beginning, but the more we focus on her and her machinations, the less I care. More Yeon doo and Kim yeol, more actual cheerleading, more cute ji soo and his secret smiles, more awesome teacher and sassy coach, even more adorable parents. More real king and baek ho kids interacting. : ( now I'm sad for what could have been. At least there was no worst-principal-ever in this episode...
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37 es
November 4, 2015 at 6:49 PM
i do wish that the drama could've gone the unconventional route and kept yeon-doo and ha-joon's relationship purely platonic. imagine how cute it would've been to have yeon-doo become ha-joon's second best friend; we could've had yeol get all pouty at their flirting and yeon-doo and ha-joon would do it even more just to tease him. or have ha-joon become the unwilling peacemaker whenever yeon-doo and yeol got into fights. we'd have all the adorable awkwardness of ha-joon softening to a new friend, but without the romantic angst. I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE HA-JOON HEARTBROKEN. :(
but now that it's happened, i just hope the writers won't turn it into major conflict in the last two episodes. i don't think they will, buuut you never know.
given the number of episodes, i wish we'd concentrated less on soo-ah and more on the team bonding and coming-of-age moments that were more prevalent during the earlier episodes. these last few episodes have been so soo-ah focused that i'm kind of getting sick of it - and it's not even that i'm not empathetic of her plight, because i am. but with all the things she's done, i honestly cannot say that i care more about her than i do the rest of the characters, when we had people like dong-jae and ha-joon with just as serious problems that have now been forsaken for the sake of her dragged-out villainy and subsequent redemption.
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sundaexstory
November 5, 2015 at 4:52 AM
Your entire first paragraph is HEAVEN. I would love to see that too! But well, we can't get all we want...
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pogo
November 6, 2015 at 10:44 AM
I would have loved to see a platonic friendship between Ha-joon and Yeon-doo too, but I trust the writers even with a love triangle. It would be highly out of character for Ha-joon to turn this into a conflict, really.
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Linh
November 29, 2015 at 12:46 AM
The platonic friendship is actually between Yeon Doo and Dong Jae, these two relationship is platonic. Since I've watched the whole series already, I'm not worrying about Yeol-Yeon Doo-Ha Joon triangle relationship. Also, this show is mainly depicting on friendship, competitions, and school more than romance, even if there are romance between the two main lead characters, but friendships doesn't get in their ways in any situations. Yeon Doo has already being considered as Ha Joon's second best friend, even if it has gotten involved with romance feelings on his side, but he will clear it up, the last episode will be his episode. Don't worry :)
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38 DINS
November 4, 2015 at 7:07 PM
Remember when I said i wanna see love triangle between Hajoon, Yeondoo and yeol?
WTF did I said something like that?
Now I cannot see my Hajoon breaks.
It hurts.
man~
it really hurts.
I should've stop watching dramas for a while:"
but dramas are my everything.sigh:" what a life
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39 pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 7:25 PM
I don't know how to say this, but I actually feel for Soo Ah's story? We saw from ep 1 what her mother is like and how she trained Soo Ah to have no feelings and no friends and just be #1....forget about a daughter, she doesn't ven treat her like a human. Just a dog who has to chase after #1 status to get some nice and not scolding words from her mother.
And maybe this is another unpopular opinion but I feel bad for Ha Joon but at the same time I think we all ship so much because of Ji Soo. In the actual drama, Ji Soo/Eunji have great chemistry but she has a different level of connection with Yeol and great chemistry with Lee Won Geun. Like I can see why they are OTP and it's not only because LWG was cast in the role of 'male lead'.
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sundaexstory
November 5, 2015 at 4:50 AM
"...at the same time I think we all ship so much because of Ji Soo."
That's what I was thinking about! On paper, Jisoo's character will clearly not have competition against the LWG's character, or if Hajoon had been played by another actor, I think there won't be so much heartbreak. But on paper and on screen chemistry, Yeol is the perfect guy for Yeondoo. (That obvious I'm on the Yeol-Yeondoo ship, eh?)
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 9:54 AM
Exactly, on paper there's absolutely no contest - Yeol is the one, all right. And he's still the one, even in person (because Lee Won-geun is adorable and perfect with Jung Eun-ji, and makes a very unusual kind of kdrama hero). It's solely the Ji-soo factor that makes anyone here waver at all.
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40 pancchi
November 4, 2015 at 7:45 PM
Awesome!! Loved this epi..
But seriously soo-ah gets angry at yeon-doo for not keeping her promise! When she herself was not planning to keep it..
I don't like possessiveness but with yeol..everything is acceptable. Am a complete goner..
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41 sundaexstory
November 4, 2015 at 7:57 PM
I love how Yeol's confession wasn't all dramatic and fireworks, instead it was really sincere and true and sweet! *swoons*
And um, I personally liked episode 10.
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plumwine
November 4, 2015 at 8:28 PM
I agree with all you said.
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pogo
November 6, 2015 at 10:41 AM
Same here. It felt a wee bit rushed, but I think it's definitely a good episode.
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42 Gyute
November 4, 2015 at 8:37 PM
strangely I not feel sorry for HJ's broken heart at all. I'm Sorry jisoo-ah~
and Jisoo need take off bok dong vibe like asap! give this nonna something new :*
my monday look so cheerful and bright thank to KY/LWG
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43 sassynogopleaseeee
November 4, 2015 at 9:02 PM
I wonder why SGG's ratings have been so bad. I mean, just on DB itself, She Was Pretty garners less than 1% of comments (and equally mediocre ratings) but is consistently ranked #1 in drama ratings.
Doesn't that mean the chances of an extension are *gulp* very low? /cry
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 4, 2015 at 9:22 PM
KBS didn't do any promotion for it and teenager dramas with no big name casts don't do well in normal tv ratings anyway. And it's not based on a famous manga or done by a star writer, AND is a youth drama. :(
If anyone knows how to use photoshop, can someone please make a dramabeans header banner for Sassy Go Go? It's the only way I can think to show our love after the drama ends :(
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sundaexstory
November 4, 2015 at 10:04 PM
OMG a banner!! Please can someone do this...I think I will have a serious hangover from this show... :(
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meliyasha
November 4, 2015 at 10:28 PM
WAHHHHHHH!! I love the idea of still being able to see them here even long after the show's finished. I still grin from ear to ear everytime I see Healer's. Someone please grant this wish, I will love you like I love Crinkles, Sunshine, Grumptopus and everyone else in this drama.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 3:19 AM
omg YES please can someone make a db header out of this drama? PLEASE?!
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omomo
November 5, 2015 at 6:00 AM
I would be happy to make some! (You can check out my work in the headers thread. They're the Ji Chang-wook/Healer ones. :) )
Any suggestions? OTP? OT3? The 5 leads?
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 7:43 AM
@Omomo - the Healer headers are yours?! They're absolutely fantastic, you really have a talent for this stuff!
I vote for an OTP header, and one of Yeol/Ha-joon if you can manage it. Or OT3, even, but definitely the first two!
(in case I forget, thank you so much - I would have given anything to see a little dose of Sassy Go Go in the headers once it's over, which it will be, too fast :( Thank you for making it possible!)
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omomo
November 5, 2015 at 8:20 AM
Aw, thank you! *blushes* I'm no pro, but for our beloved dramas/actors, I try to do what I can. :)
Okie pokie! I actually did a little something a while back featuring the BrOTP (Yeol/Ha-joon). I was aiming for sleek and stylish, but I think it ended up looking kind of creepy (like they're a pair of sexy vampires lol).
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah282/omomona/HEADERSGG1_zpsdvepbz3n.jpg
Tell me what you think!
omomo
November 5, 2015 at 8:37 AM
Oops I had to some minor tweaks. Here's the correct one:
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah282/omomona/yes-HEADERSGG1_zps0dcukgte.jpg
pogo
November 5, 2015 at 9:12 AM
@Omomo - idk if you can hear the glass around me shattering from how hard I just squealed, but - SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They make such a perfect pair, these two. And I love the black-and-white clothes on them. BroTP for life!
omomo
November 5, 2015 at 9:29 AM
@pogo - Squeeeee x2! They sure are! ;)
And thanks again! I'll start working on the OTP one now. Maybe I'll be able to get it done by the time ep 10's recap gets posted.
pogo
November 5, 2015 at 9:52 AM
@Omomo - you are the actual best ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
rosiemontgomery
November 5, 2015 at 1:04 PM
Thank you so so much for the headers! Would it be possible to have one where Lee Won Geun is smiling? That would be the best.
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omomo
November 5, 2015 at 4:11 PM
@rosiemontgomery - :)
Sure! Mr. Crinkleeeees. <3 I'm thinking of making one for Bokdong... I mean Ji soo too.
pogo
November 6, 2015 at 10:39 AM
@Omomo - !!!!!!! This is almost like Christmas come early - we may not get more episodes of this beloved drama, but we'll get it in the header for as long as we can!
es
November 5, 2015 at 4:28 PM
omg the BROTP header looks amazinggggg!!!!! <3
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pogo
November 6, 2015 at 10:40 AM
I love their coordinating/contrasting sweaters and matching stares. Those two.....
meliyasha
November 5, 2015 at 6:03 PM
OMG those Healer headers are amazing! I love all of them especially the Bong-sookie one ♥
Thank you for your works!! Omomo saranghaeyooo~ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 9:15 PM
@Omomo- thank you so much for granting our wish ♥♥♥♥♥♥
If it's possible can you do a header of Yeol smiling at Yeon Doo? We need a banner of this couple ♥
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44 GrnDrgns&Appls
November 4, 2015 at 10:36 PM
First, I loved Kim Yeol's confession. So straight-forward and honest - so refreshing in this sometimes unnecessarily dramatic dramaland! I also love that Yeondoo has said before that she doesn't get subtle very well and that people have to hit things over the head for her to understand. So, I thought it was cute that with all the subtle (only to our dear Yeondoo) comments to her which should have let any girl know immediately that this boy is totally interested in her, he finally decided, ok, I'm just going to straight up tell you - "I like you." And thank you for the writers for making it "like" and not "love", after all, this is high school!
Second, I think Soo Ah has been showing moments of hesitation and something akin to being scared of herself. She knows she is doing something wrong but the fear she feels from her mom and pressure to be number 1 is driving her forward in a way that I think is scaring even herself. I know she's done pretty horrible things but I feel like there have been enough hints about the agitation she is feeling to feel like that a redemption, even at this point, is possible.
Third, I think Soo Ah and Ha Joon are an interesting comparison. Ha Joon also clearly has a physically and mentally abusive father (aka "assjerk!") that drives him to do well but he is able to not push himself to be harmful to others to get ahead. Instead, he takes that pain and pressure and turns it on himself - which is not a good things - or relies on Yeol to help him through. Soo Ah turns the pressure against others and harms others to get ahead. I wonder what to make of this comparison.
Finally, I'm SO sad the ratings are so low! Despite some big holes in the plot (especially in the first couple of episodes), this drama has taken a really realistic and honest approach to school and issues faced by students. I feel like the dialogue seems realistic and although the some of the characters seem unrealistic (i.e., the principal and some of the teachers - as Da Mi so realistically blurts out in ep 4 about how "there are no normal teachers in this school! they're all weird!"), I feel like the way the characters deal with each other and these situations seem realistic. Super Kudos to the three leads, and Ms. Vilain because they have great chemistry together. Kim Yeol and Yeon Doo really seem like they could be BFF best buds and Yeol and Ha Joon's friendship and loyalty seems genuine and believable even though they haven't spend so much time drilling it into the viewers. This speaks to the strength of the writing I think. I know the plot has holes and some situation seems contrived or downright plagirized from another drama, but overall I just love love love this drama. On all fronts. I wish it wasn't ending in only 12 episodes.
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es
November 5, 2015 at 1:51 AM
ikr!! objectively speaking, the plot is really heavy-handed and the premise is pretty ridiculous lol, but the writing has so much heart and the characters so much charm that you fall in love with it anyway. the cast has a lot to do with that too; it's rare that a high school drama has such good acting on all fronts, but sassy go go doesn't have a single weak link when it comes to acting.
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siesta
November 5, 2015 at 2:35 AM
the difference between Hajoon & Sooah is.. Yeol, basically xD we've seen hajoon's temper many times throughout the drama, and he's not above lashing out to people when angered, yet Yeol always managed to hold him back.
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Adal
November 5, 2015 at 6:27 AM
There's a difference between lashing out at people in temper and manipulating people, lying, blackmailing, threatening, falsifying and planting evidence, abandoning a person or using someone's physical disability against them, destroying people's reputations or endangering their livelihood, all these things Soo ah has done.
If all Soo ah did was lose her temper when provoked, we would be having a different conversation. But this girl did some pretty nasty and despicable things. Like Teacher Yang pointed out, a lot of kids face the pressure Soo ah does, but they don't do the nasty things she does.
And before we blame Soo ah's mom for the pressure her daughter is facing. Some of the other kids have to face pressure from their parents too. Look at Ha joon's dad physically beating him up because he can't make the grade. And the other 'Tiger' moms who storm the school whenever there is the slightest issue with their child. So, she's not the ONLY one in that boat, a good example is that boy on the cheerleading team who calls his mom for everything under the sun, on a daily basis.
And if you argue that Ha joon had a friend in Kim Yeol to help him, I would say that Soo ah had many chances of having Yeon doo as her friend, (indeed they were friends before Soo ah took that picture of KY and YD and stabbed her friend in the back) but she kicked against it. So there is NO defense for Soo ah's behavior, NONE at all.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 7:39 AM
I think you're dismissing the deletrious effects of Soo-ah's mother's brainwashing on the daughter's psyche, far too easily.
Because while Ha-joon's dad is an asshole, he hasn't trained his son to cut out all friendships from his life, and Ha-joon has a healthy enough separation from him to NOT be indoctrinated into believing whatever the asshole's belief system says - he ultimately has Yeol, and that makes all the difference.
Soo-ah, on the other hand? Has a seemingly less antagonistic (but no less poisonous for all that) relationship with her mother, who under the guise of beneficial life advice, teaches her that having friends or ethics or even common decency, is useless and #1 is the only thing that matters. And her mother reinforces this by having nothing but harsh words for her unless she performs according to Mom's standards......did the lunch scene in episode 7 tell us nothing?
And Soo-ah did have a friend, an actual one, who died at her own hand. It's not hard to see that her mother and adviser probably used the opportunity to shore up the idea that friends are useless and having them will only hurt.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 7:30 AM
Bingo.
Yeol is basically the main factor preventing Ha-joon from becoming another Choi Young-do (and if you look at it, all the ingredients are there even in two very different dramas - absent mother? check. Abusive father? check. Volatile temper? Check.). And Ha-joon, in his turn, was Yeol's main connection to another human being before the fiasco with the clubs went down - without him, Yeol would be basically a lone wolf/robot without any real friends.
It's pretty amazing, when you think that this has been the situation for them since early childhood - both boys have had nothing but each other for so long, but having each other has made all the difference.
Soo-ah, in contrast, had one friend she appeared to have genuinely been close to, who then died. And then her awful mother has trained her to believe having friends is worthless and nothing matters except #1 - are we REALLY surprised she's like this?
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opaque
November 5, 2015 at 11:28 AM
(pogo♥Sassy Go Go, I feel I agree with everything you say haha :D)
Yeah I don't think she ever got the chance to heal from her best friend's suicide. And then her mother telling her that the only reason anybody cared was because the girl was #1? *shudder*
Whenever she feels lost she looks at the pics of her and her friend. A close friend's suicide has to be really taxing on top of that pressure without support to get through it.
Can you imagine what Ha-joon could have been like if Yeol had killed himself and Yeol was his only friend from childhood? I honestly think he could have gone down a similar route but manifested in a different way (more physical violence if anything).
I don't know guys, I know where people are coming from when they say Soo-ah needs to have consequences for her crimes (I agree) but those of you saying no forgiveness/she should kill herself or get hurt/etc...it's way harsh. You have to take into account what has built a person and somebody has to give a little and let the person change...if we say these things about fictional characters whose stories we see, how are we treating the real people whose stories we don't see?? I don't know, it worries me a bit :/
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 11:58 AM
Exactly. The people Soo-ah looks to for guidance and reassurance (her mother and to a lesser extent, her advisor) have influenced her thinking and conditioned her to suppress and ignore her better instincts in the name of success.
And yes, there should be consequences but wishing for her death (I've noted comments saying they don't care if she kills herself) is insensitive and pointless. I do wish Yeon-doo would slap her hard a few times, but wishing death on another person? No way.
And the thought of Ha-joon if he'd lost Yeol that way, is terrifying. Not least because of how alone he would be.
Also, this:
if we say these things about fictional characters whose stories we see, how are we treating the real people whose stories we don’t see??
Is so true.
rhiaa
November 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM
I agree with you, OnASassyGoGoHigh and pogo! Especially on what the latter echoed (which is utterly heartbreaking): if we say these things about fictional characters whose stories we see, how are we treating the real people whose stories we don’t see??
bea
November 5, 2015 at 6:17 AM
in kdramaland the i love yous are only used for endings lol. I mean even when it's obviously full on lost in love, they only say LIKE. yet, I think in real life it's more believable that high schoolers use LOVE and say I love you most of the time... been there, done that haha. When I was in HS I thought crazy heart palpitations for a guy = love, could not believe it when adults called it infatuation haha
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45 sassynogopleaseeee
November 5, 2015 at 1:31 AM
Ahh the mysteries of dramaland.. yes a banner would be marvtabulous.
I can't and haven't imagined days after SGG.. have redownloaded HD version for a complete rewatch/recry/relove.
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 4:09 AM
If it's ok to ask, where did you download from? I want to rewatch too and streaming sometimes skips.
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46 Mikanjjj
November 5, 2015 at 2:02 AM
I love it !!! I absolutely love it!!! Im so happy with the way it's turning out. Though I wished ha joon would remain just a friend to yeon doo , I guess the writers are thinking different !!! I dont hate soo ah , I never did !! I hated all her actions , but neve her !!! If she had had a mother like a yeon doo's she probably would have turned out good !!! So if she's taking the path of redemption then that's okay with me !!! Nothing wrong with a happy ending !!! Mom and dad couple really need to stop it !!! He wants yeon doo to have a father figure in her life , but he's not doing anything as a father to his own son !!!! But I have faith in yeon doo's mom that she will think of her daughter first.
I can't believe this show is gonna end !!! ??????
Sassy go go fighting ❤️❤️❤️❤️
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pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 5, 2015 at 4:11 AM
Yeah, Yeol's dad should take care of his own son first before worrying about being a father to another women's daughter!
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wackycashew
November 5, 2015 at 8:33 AM
I agree!! He needs to build his relationship with his son first!! YD's mom has been giving him sound advice on how to be a good parent and he needs to put that into practice first with his own son. How will he be a good father figure to YD if he can't even do that for Yeol?!
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pogo
November 6, 2015 at 10:37 AM
yeah, he needs to put his own house in order first. And start with maybe telling your son you're thinking of marrying the mother of one of his classmates! (and imagine when he finds out which classmate..)
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47 omomo
November 5, 2015 at 5:51 AM
This episode, and the next: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 10/10 OTP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
It's not all the time that you get to see a k-drama male lead confess in such a humble, sweet, and earnest way. I really appreciated how casually the scene played out (sans the fanfare and theatrics and exaggerated slow-mo 360 degree camera angles practically screaming "they're having a BIG MOMENT so watch closely!!!"). The poignancy and simplicity of his confession made it all the more believable. It feels like an actual confession of an actual high school kid, and not some monumental life-changing event (because they're in high school for crying out loud! not some kind of star-crossed lovers brought together by fate and all that hullabaloo).
I'm trying VERY hard not to talk about episode 10, but I personally liked how it went. Anyway, more about that later!
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 9:18 AM
Well, this isn't actually Yeol's first shot at confession, remember the banana milk? He has to make absolutely sure Yeon-doo is left in no doubt about the meaning of his words, which basically necessitates having to state it plainly and directly to her (well, MORE directly. Since he was pretty direct the first time too, and she failed to get it)
And the simplicity of it is perfect. I love how he just tells her straight out - simply and sweetly and just a wee bit awkwardly as he waits for her answer (well, these are teenagers after all). And I love that he actually waits for her answer instead of going in for a standard kdrama forced kiss or something.
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omomo
November 5, 2015 at 10:34 AM
"And I love that he actually waits for her answer instead of going in for a standard kdrama forced kiss or something."
THIS! Just goes to show how much he respects her and values her personal space, despite his obvious struggle to just plant one on her right then and there.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 10:46 AM
yeah, even the last time he tried to kiss her, it was after she invited him into her personal space, in a way - and even then, he told her he was going to do it (giving her a chance to back off if she wanted).
But this confession is such a change from the saucy boy who tried to kiss her at that first trip-and-fall incident that led to the picture being taken :)
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es
November 5, 2015 at 4:23 PM
yesss, i loved the simplicity of his confession too! completely honest and sincere, but adorably awkward, and completely true to how high school kids act in real life. perfectly acted. :3
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48 bea
November 5, 2015 at 6:13 AM
I may be the only one who finds eunji a bit unnatural in some scenes... i just wish her angry emotions were shown with a bit more variety in facial expression and line delivery. it's so monotonous, the consistent voice-raising.
episode 10 brought me heartbreak i love hajoon huhu it hurts my heart. i wonder how jisoo would act out a happy/cheeky character somewhat like yeol, just waiting for the day he gets such a drama character
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 7:24 AM
Really? I thought she's been remarkably natural all through Sassy Go Go, she's actually nailing Yeon-doo's more emotional scenes too - that close-up at the end? Looks like real distress, not the exaggerated kdrama kind.
If Eunji wasn't up to scratch, Chae Soo-bin (who is, quite frankly, extraordinary) would be wiping the floor with her in their scenes together, but instead they're fantastically well-matched and equally gripping when they're on screen together.
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49 wackycashew
November 5, 2015 at 8:31 AM
Thanks for the recap, LollyPip!
It's so cute to see Yeol and YD in their scenes. Love the refreshing simple and direct confession and Yeol being jealous of YD's skinship with boys, she's like: No, ain't gonna change for you. LOL I also love how they would talk about things honestly and that Yeol just let YD express her anger at SA, and then stepped back to let her deal with it her own way. It shows that he knows her character and that blasting SA makes her uncomfortable because she wants to give SA the chance to make things right. But it's good to see that YD also has a limit to her kindness and she's telling SA straight up that she's not gonna take her crap anymore.
SA is so messed up. I keep hoping that every time she feels guilty and anxious that her conscience will win out against those fears brought on by her mom. But then she turns even colder and puts a lid on those feelings to try to cover up her tracks. I can understand her feelings betrayal when she mistakenly thought YD had outted her, but was she really gonna confess by day 3 anyway? Doesn't seem like it given her actions thus far. And throwing someone down the stairs has gone too far. She needs serious psychological help with all her issues in terms of her internal self and how she acts towards others.
HJ! I love him with YD though I know he won't get the girl. I hope he will just continue to develop a strong friendship with YD. It's too bad there are only 12 eps in this series, which I didn't know till I started watching. I think it could've been the usual 12 eps for a drama for sure in order to explore the different characters' back stories and to resolve those issues. For example, HJ's abusive dad, his childhood, his past suicide attempts, etc.
I'm not sure how things will play out in the remaining eps for SA or Yeol and YD's parents. Let's hope things end on a good, sensible note.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 10:16 AM
yeah, I love that Yeon-doo finally reached her limits and actually went off on Soo-ah/threatened her. Those scenes are incredible, from both actresses.
Soo-ah is clearly on a psychotic break of some sort, and it's been coming for a long time.
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wackycashew
November 5, 2015 at 5:12 PM
For sure! Even the most patient, tolerant, understanding person will have a line that you can't crossed. And SA definitely crossed it. With YD, she actually cares more about her friends than herself. So, when SA messed with Yeol, that was NOT cool with her. So, YD is fed up! Enough is enough!
SA has no one to turn to and no love in her life from a parental figure. It's really so sad to see and heartbreaking that she is "stuck" because she's constantly brainwashed by her mom. She seriously needs help so that her way of coping is not lashing out at others and wiping her slate clean with no morals or conscience.
And I meant to write the usual 16 eps in my first comment. Just realized my typo. XD
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50 Alessar
November 5, 2015 at 10:18 AM
I completely agree with our recapper that:
I’m not even interested in seeing her realize the error of her ways and be redeemed anymore — she has now actually, deliberately tried to kill someone, and she needs serious intervention, immediately.
Seriously this is a Moral Event Horizon moment. It's unfortunately she's so troubled but this is an absolute line that has been crossed. Even if it was just, "just," a moment of rage is inconsequential. She's done the deed. She snapped and tried to kill someone. She should be remanded into psychiatric custody. Even if serious injuries don't result this was attempted murder.
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Adal
November 5, 2015 at 11:17 AM
Pretty much.
There's no free pass for what's she's done. Saying "well my mom put all this pressure on me" doesn't cut it. She could swing by with a temporary insanity defense, but that would mean she ends up in a psychiatric ward and on meds.
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM
This isn't the US, attitudes to mental health and illness across Asia would likely result in a very different (and potentially tragic) outcome for Soo-ah.
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Adal
November 5, 2015 at 12:15 PM
So, she goes off scot free? With no consequences for the actions she has taken to make everyone else's lives miserable? She deserves a free pass because the cause of all her problems are to be blamed at her mother's feet? Her mother told her to push her classmate down the stairs? Or bully dong jae for his physical disability? Or abandon her classmate at the rest stop with no way of getting back without risk to herself? Or maybe her mother asked her to steal the thumb drive and place it in her classmate's bag? Soo-ah, whatever her reasons are, made those decisions herself without pressure from anyone. Those bad choices are hers to own up to alone.
I believe taking responsibility by facing the consequences of one's actions is not only healthy, but also mature, and part of one's personal growth. I am not saying this only for punitive reasons. The girl does need psychiatric evaluation and counselling, even if she is not locked up in a ward. She needs it to deal with her demons and for her day to day mental health.
But I am curious to your stalwart defense of Soo-ah's character. Who are the true victims in this case? Soo-ah, or all the other people she's hurt? And if the other people are victims of Soo-ah's machinations, what kind of reparations are made for their suffering? for their pain?
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pogo
November 5, 2015 at 12:54 PM
I think you're misunderstanding the fundamental nature of the environment that bred Soo-ah, or even the nature of pressure itself.
Her mother may not have specifically ordered her to frame Yeol, use Ha-joon and Dong-jae's vulnerabilities against Yeol and Yeon-doo, frame Yang-saem (though the Mom pack did plan to have him fired for reporting the spec-fixing anyway) or hurt Yeon-doo....... but what is abundantly clear is that the woman has raised her daughter with the mentality that ethics, morals and decency don't matter as long as you're #1 - and has shown it by example as well as in her expectations of her daughter. And she actively discourages Soo-ah from such plebeian worries as doing the right thing. Is it any wonder that Soo-ah assumes (because her mother basically tells her so) that it doesn't matter who you hurt as long as you are successful?
I don't know why you took my defence of Soo-ah as a denial of the fact that she hurt people or that they are victims. But Soo-ah is in her own way a victim of an abusive upbringing too (money and power are not good substitutes for parental affection), and frankly it's up to the people she hurt to decide on what terms her punishment should be. I don't feel sorry at all about the fact that the video got uploaded, and she was found out - she deserved the comeuppance, and it's a vindication of sorts for all her victims. But she's on the path to an early death at her own hand, and I don't know what to say if your only response to that is 'lock her up'.
pogo
November 5, 2015 at 1:10 PM
Also, the manipulative behaviour that leads to blackmailing Yeol into joining the cheer squad, giving the Real King kids an ultimatum to get kicked out of the dorms if they don't join her, almost getting Yang-saem fired, and everything else? Soo-ah's modelled it on her own mother's ways - because dear mommy likes to bribe the school, manipulate the teachers, bypass all the legalities wherever possible and just get what she wants with no regard for others. Like I said, children learn by example, and if this was the example Soo-ah had....
And Soo-ah's victims are the ones who are best placed to decide what an appropriate punishment would be. She's hardly scot-free here - she's been exposed as a thief in front of the whole school and made an outcast. Not to mention the fact that she has to face what she has done, and take a good look at how twisted she's become. Which is going to be very hard.
pigsnout|SassyGoHigh ♥♥♥
November 6, 2015 at 12:44 AM
......wait, Soo Ah got caught and exposed for stealing the USB, cheating on her exam and framing Yeol, the entire school knows what she has done and outcasted her, even her friends hate her, and she will fail that exam and be punished by the school too - those things are not 'consequences'? How is that getting off scot free? What do you want her to do, die?
By that same standard, stalker/sexual assaulter heroes in kdramas get away with much worse, and don't even get punished (like in Boys Over Flowers, Secret, A Love to Kill, Nice Guy), in Pinocchio Dal Po's hyung murdered 3 people in cold blood and yet even before he got caught and went to jail we felt sympathy for him. Instead the heroine/all women around fall for them!
pogo
November 6, 2015 at 10:28 AM
YIKES.
I'd forgotten about hyung from Pinocchio (whom I also loved, but it's seriously twisted if we can sympathise with him and yet turn around and condemn Soo-ah)