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Kill Me, Heal Me: Episode 15

Welcome to the episode in which no one is happy. Like, literally no one. In the midst of all this misery, Ri-on finally lays his cards on the table and Do-hyun struggles with the question of how best to protect the people he loves. But are there any good choices when your own family wants to destroy everything you hold dear?

 
EPISODE 15 RECAP

With blood smearing one cheek and tears coursing down the other, Do-hyun finally remembers that Ri-jin was with him in the basement. He struggles to stay conscious while his memories—not to mention Mom’s thugs—assault him, finally recalling the promise he made Ri-jin as a child: “Remember. 10:00pm—the time we promised to meet.” Overwhelmed, he sinks to his knees and then collapses on the ground.

Ri-jin is trapped inside the building, tormented by her own memories. Outside, Do-hyun forces himself to his feet once again, pushing himself past the limits of his battered body. He stumbles towards the thugs, but his attempts to fight are easily repulsed. The bad guys proceed to beat the shit out of him. Again.

Mom hears from her thugs about the guy who followed them, unaware that it’s her precious son. She tells them to retreat for now, to avoid getting caught by the police. The leader relays the orders to his henchmen, who are busy repeatedly kicking a prone Do-hyun in the ribs. Ouch.

Ri-jin struggles with the locked door, which triggers recollections of being trapped in the basement. She starts to hyperventilate and rummages through the shelves for a plastic bag, showing great presence of mind in the midst of her panic attack.

The door opens, and Ri-jin’s mind jumps immediately to when Do-hyun’s father would enter the basement. She runs to a pile of boxes and huddles behind them, burying her head in her arms. In voiceover we hear Do-hyun as a child, apologizing for being late.

Ri-jin turns around to look, and sure enough it’s Cha Do-hyun who enters the kitchen, looking like he’s been through a war zone. Ri-jin rushes over to him, asking about his injuries. “I’m sorry… I’m late,” Do-hyun says, echoing the words he spoke as a child. He collapses once more (is that three times in eight minutes? Poor guy).

Ri-on and Chief Ahn arrive at the hideout at the same time. Chief Ahn grabs Ri-on by the collar, demanding to know who he really is, but their confrontation is interrupted by Ri-jin’s distressed cries. They hurry inside, where Ri-jin tells them to call an ambulance.

Ri-jin stays by Do-hyun’s side as paramedics rush him to the emergency room, even giving orders to the other doctor. He’s all like, “Wait… aren’t you supposed to be at Johns Hopkins?”, but Ri-jin is in no mood for chitchat.

Ri-on finds his sister waiting in the hall for news of Do-hyun’s condition. He hands her a restorative drink and tries to get her to rest at home, but Ri-jin won’t budge until Do-hyun regains his senses. Ri-on gets upset because Ri-jin only worries about Do-hyun, ignoring his concern for her. He chucks his drink in the trash and storms off.

In the hallway, Chief Ahn learns that the villa where Ri-jin was taken is registered under “that person’s” name, and orders his informant to find the leader of the kidnappers. Ri-on overhears the call and demands to know who owns the villa, but Chief Ahn says that he can’t share information that isn’t confirmed.

“Then I’ll confirm it for myself,” Ri-on replies. “But if it’s who I think it is, I don’t know what I’ll end up doing.” He leaves Chief Ahn with that warning and calls his friend on the police force to ask him to investigate.

Ri-jin is waiting by Do-hyun’s hospital bed when Dr. Seok comes looking for her. He reminds her of her promise to have a consultation with him, and takes Ri-jin away while Do-hyun sleeps. But Do-hyun wakes seconds after they leave the room.

Ri-jin relates her feeling of déjà vu while trapped in the villa. She’s now certain that she plays a part in Do-hyun’s repressed memories, and she’s determined to regain her own forgotten past to help him heal.

Dr. Seok confirms that Ri-jin is really doing this for Do-hyun’s sake and not her own, and the camera pans to show us Do-hyun listening outside the office door. He hears Ri-jin say how they promised to fight together from now on, whether it was a fear of basements or anything else.

Do-hyun goes to the roof of the hospital and looks out over the city, the picture of Ri-jin as a child clasped in his hand. Ri-jin sees him and assumes it’s Yo-sub trying to kill himself again, so she pulls him away from the edge and scolds him for breaking the promise he made her.

“If you want to die, then die,” Ri-jin says. “But die tomorrow.” And if tomorrow he still wants to die, she says, then push it to the next day, and the next and the next. A day will come when he’ll be glad he held on. Do-hyun promises her he won’t die, because there’s something he has to do first—someone he has to protect.

Ri-jin hugs Do-hyun tightly, sobbing that this is the first time she realized how reassuring the words “I won’t die” actually are. With the picture of child Ri-jin still in his hand, Do-hyun can’t bring himself to return Ri-jin’s embrace.

Walking through the hospital lobby, Do-hyun asks Ri-jin to stop trying to recover her memories. She is living well and has many people who love her—Do-hyun doesn’t want her to suffer just to help him.

Ri-jin reminds him that it’s likely she was Se-gi’s first love, which means she could be Do-hyun’s as well. There could be wonderful memories that Ri-jin would recover along with the bad ones, and Do-hyun shouldn’t give up just because he’s scared.

But Do-hyun knows exactly how not-wonderful Ri-jin’s memories would be, and he can’t hold back his tears. He pulls Ri-jin into a hug, leaving her confused about what she said exactly that affected him so much.

Ri-jin’s mother visits a Buddhist temple, the final resting place of her old friend Min Seo-yeon (Ri-jin’s biological mother). A flashback shows Seo-yeon calling Mom twenty-one years ago, begging her to save her daughter. She promised to pick Ri-jin up in a few days, but must have died in the car crash before she could. In the present, Mom scolds Seo-yeon gently for passing on without keeping her promise. She tears up as she says how well Ri-jin has grown up.

Just outside the temple entrance is a thug in a suit, who calls Ki-joon’s dad to confirm that he’s discovered the identity of the person who raised Seo-yeon’s child. Dad reminds him to move carefully, and Ki-joon observes that something big must be happening if Dad is mobilizing his troops. Dad says he’s simply aiming for his opponent’s weakness, which he must take advantage of before his own is exposed.

Ki-joon’s mother takes Chae-yeon out to lunch to scold her (politely, of course) for being seen drunk in public with Cha Do-hyun. She doesn’t make a big deal out of it, saying that she trusts Chae-yeon not to make another mistake like this. “How can you trust me when I don’t trust myself?” Chae-yeon asks. She stands up, pays her respects, and excuses herself like a boss.

Chae-yeon’s mother gets a call from Ki-joon’s mother, who is not happy about what just went down. But Chae-yeon’s mom fires back, saying her daughter is every bit as great as Ki-joon and they should just break off the engagement.

Chae-yeon returns her engagement ring to Ki-joon. She says there is someone else she wants to have, and it’s wrong to play with Ki-joon’s heart like this. He demands to know why she’s started worrying about him now, and Chae-yeon only apologizes and takes her leave. Ki-joon chucks the ring away, cursing Do-hyun.

Ri-on brings some things to Ri-jin at the hospital, but she’s already on her way to Do-hyun’s house. Then Ri-on gets a call from his detective friend, who has discovered the owner of the villa where Ri-jin’s kidnappers went.

Do-hyun hears from Chief Ahn, who has also confirmed without a doubt that it was Do-hyun’s mom who orchestrated the kidnapping. He wants to confront her immediately, but on his way to check out of the hospital he gets a call from Ri-on.

They meet in the hallway, and Ri-on grabs Do-hyun by collar and slams him against the wall. Ri-on is near the limits of his self-control, screaming that Do-hyun should never have created more ties with Ri-jin. Do-hyun remembers what Ri-on told Se-gi, about having no right to be with Ri-jin because he’s a son of Seungjin Group. Tears spring to Do-hyun’s eyes. “Why did you ignore my warning?” Ri-on cries. “Why? Why? WHY?

Ri-jin stops by Do-hyun’s apartment to pick up some of his clothes. She finds the box of toys that Se-gi bought for their date, including the pop-up clown and the evil dancing monkey. She smiles as she recalls how Se-gi tried so hard to impress her.

The toy train sparks a different set of memories—Ri-jin hears a child’s voice promising to meet her every day at the same time. Ri-jin stares at the empty room and sees a child playing with a toy train, though it’s not yet clear to her that it’s an actual memory.

A call comes from Dad who wants Ri-jin to stop by the restaurant to check on Mom. She overworked on the weekend, but she doesn’t want to go to the hospital, so Dad asks Ri-jin to swing by and give her an IV. Ri-jin leaves at once.

Ri-on meets with Do-hyun and explains everything about his past with Ri-jin. He always tried to allay her fears and explain away her nightmares, but now Ri-jin is seeing flashes of her past more frequently after meeting Do-hyun.

Ri-jin will be in danger from people who fear her existence, and her memories will make her miserable if she discovers them. For those reasons, Ri-on asks Do-hyun to send Ri-jin away. She won’t listen to her brother anymore, but she might listen to Do-hyun.

With his head bowed, Ri-on begs Do-hyun to help. Do-hyun agrees, but asks for a single favor in return.

Ri-jin hooks up an IV for her mother and scolds her for not taking care of herself. Ri-jin boasts that she doesn’t make house calls for just anyone, so Mom had better listen. Mom jokes back, wondering where Ri-jin inherited her looks and poise, but the oblique reference to Ri-jin’s real parents turns the mood somber.

“Aren’t you curious about your real family?” Ri-jin’s mom asks. But Ri-jin says that she is content to find out later. Ri-on overhears from the doorway, and in voiceover he asks Do-hyun not to take away Ri-jin or his family’s happiness.

Speaking of taking away happiness, Do-hyun’s mom arrives at his apartment. She asks Chief Ahn why Do-hyun called her out, and the chief replies that it’s probably for the exact reason she fears.

Mom apologizes to Do-hyun, saying that she went too far. She insists that she wasn’t really kidnapping Ri-jin, just investigating to figure out why she approached Do-hyun.

Do-hyun reveals that Ri-jin has no memories of her past, so Mom’s attempts to find out how much she knows are useless. Mom is instantly relieved, which disgusts Do-hyun even further. “Are you even human?!” he demands. He asks if she has the right to call herself someone’s mother after acting this way.

Grandma Seo sits next to Joon-pyo’s bed and scolds him for running away for six years, then staying in a coma for the next twenty. She thinks back to twenty-one years ago, when Joon-pyo finally returned to the house with Do-hyun in tow.

In the past, Grandma Seo greets Joon-pyo just like a mother happy to be reunited with her son (and not the Mistress of Evil we know her to be), but she is put off when Joon-pyo requests that his son be added to the family register. Then Seo-yeon appears, with a daughter that Joon-pyo doesn’t recognize. The adults are tense and wary, but the children share shy smiles.

Back in the present, Grandma Seo reflects that if only her husband hadn’t brought Seo-yeon back to the house, if only “that child” had really been Joon-pyo’s, this whole tragedy would never have happened. Now she doesn’t know where to begin to start straightening things out (unplugging Joon-pyo’s respirator might be a good place to start, honestly).

Do-hyun gives his mother one last chance to atone for her greed: She can pack everything and leave for America with him. Mom isn’t even willing to consider giving up now, when they’re so close to the finish line.

Do-hyun explains that he can never be Seungjin Group’s successor, because he has D.I.D. He tries to get his mother to understand how her greed, her sins and her husband’s, made him this way. Mom’s only thought is that he can’t let anyone know, or else he’ll lose his chance to own Seungjin Group.

“I’ve finally figured out how to end your insatiable greed,” Do-hyun says. He’s going to reveal his illness to Seungjin Group, to the whole world, thereby ending all possibility of Mom gaining prestige through her son. Do-hyun asks Mom once again if she’s willing to leave for America with him.

Ri-on drives Ri-jin to Do-hyun’s apartment. He suggests that Mom’s sickness is because of her shock that Ri-jin knows she was adopted, and asks why Ri-jin is suddenly so determined to recover her memories.

Ri-jin says that she thinks it is the right time, and she is strong enough to look back on her past without crumbling. Ri-on wants to know if her new determination is because of Do-hyun, and Ri-jin says it’s possible, but she won’t say for sure.

They see Do-hyun waiting in front of his apartment, sitting in a folding chair and looking morose. Ri-jin wonders what he’s doing here when he should still be in the hospital.

Ri-jin asks Do-hyun if he was waiting for her, laughing that her dog Ri-na does the same thing. She holds out her hand like she would for her dog, and pets Do-hyun’s head. He plays along, but he looks like he’s on the edge of tears.

We see a flashback of Do-hyun’s conversation with Ri-on, when he promised to send Ri-jin away. His condition was that he spend one final day with her—Do-hyun wants to make Ri-jin smile brightly just once, since he’s always been the one relying on her.

Do-hyun asks Ri-jin if she will go with him on the Snowflake Train, since he wants to make up for cancelling their trip before. Ri-jin immediately agrees and starts dancing for joy, seemingly unaware of Do-hyun’s inner turmoil.

Once more we cut back to Do-hyun and Ri-on’s conversation, with both men crying buckets. “Far in the future,” Do-hyun tells Ri-on, “when Ri-jin doesn’t feel anything even if she thinks of me, and if she happens to be hurt by her past, tell her this: It’s not because you did something wrong, or because you don’t have the right to be loved, that you were abused.”

Ri-jin does have the right to be loved, Do-hyun insists. So she should forget about the past that’s never done her any good, and live her life while being loved. In the present, Ri-jin beams happily at Do-hyun, and he smiles sadly back.

 
COMMENTS

I feel like I’m watching a completely different drama than the one that has been exceeding all my expectations for the past two months, and I want to trade it back. Much of what I love about Kill Me, Heal Me is its ability to find humor even—or especially—during moments that are supposed to be serious. This episode was nothing like that—it was just pure, unabated misery. For everyone. And while this unrelenting misery certainly makes sense given recent events, it doesn’t always make for a pleasant viewing experience.

Do-hyun’s alters used to allow the show to mine comedy from any situation, without losing sight of the emotional trauma our hero suffers. Now we have all the suffering you could shake a stick at, and instead of Yo-na or Perry Park to lighten the mood, we get flashbacks on flashbacks.

Intellectually, I think I understand why the opening scene featured over six minutes of flashbacks, interspersed with Do-hyun fighting a losing battle against Mom’s thugs. That moment was the culmination of Do-hyun’s nightmares—twenty-one years of confusion were cleared up in an instant, and the truth was every bit as awful as he feared.

In that sense, the flashbacks added to the weight—or maybe density–of the moment, going through Do-hyun’s mind and crystallizing in a single, horrible eureka moment. The problem is that for us, watching repetition after repetition, those memories streeeetch out until it’s hard for us to fully inhabit Do-hyun’s emotions, to feel as he feels.

On a positive note, I’d like to applaud both Chae-yeon and her mom, who carried themselves with some serious class this episode. Chae-yeon finally acted on her feelings, mustering the courage to admit to Ki-joon that he doesn’t own her heart, and that it would be wrong to string him along. Chae-yeon’s mother’s scene was possibly my favorite of the episode—she is a minor character, but it was still a lovely moment to have her stand up to Ki-joon’s mom when she was badmouthing Chae-yeon. Chae-yeon’s happiness comes first for Mom, even before the wealth and prestige of Seungjin Group. I think Do-hyun’s mother and grandmother ought to be taking notes.

The biggest reason why I’ve come to dislike the frequent flashbacks so much is that they take away time that could be devoted to more scenes like this one—scenes that flesh out characters who are rarely in the spotlight. Chae-yeon in particular could have benefited from a few more scenes over the last four or so episodes, which would in turn improve the show overall.

I am—to put it bluntly—seriously pissed off at Do-hyun. The way he acted this episode made me question his intelligence, his judgment, and even his love for Ri-jin. Essentially, I think he’s taking the Noble Idiocy train to Asshole City, and the reasons he gives for pushing Ri-jin away don’t hold water.

Here are Do-hyun’s two objectives: 1) To keep Ri-jin from remembering a past that would make her unhappy; and 2) To keep Ri-jin safe from all of the factions fighting for control of Seungjin Group. Sending Ri-jin away does not make her safer, not in any rational universe. Whether Ri-jin recovers her memory or not, she will always be a threat to Ki-joon and his father, Grandma Seo, and Do-hyun’s mom. All of them are threatened by her existence, and Do-hyun has already seen how they deal with threats. The kidnapping attempt alone should have been enough to convince Do-hyun that his mother is not in her right mind, and attempting to give her an ultimatum is like backing a rabid dog into a corner: Someone’s going to get bitten.

All Do-hyun accomplishes by sending Ri-jin away is to make her more vulnerable to her enemies, without warning her that she will be a target. If he really wants Ri-jin to be safe, he should be offering to run away to America with her, not his bat-shit crazy mother.

As for wanting Ri-jin to be happy, in Do-hyun’s mind that apparently means keeping the truth from her. That, pardon my French, is bullshit. If Ri-jin is strong enough to be Do-hyun’s supporter, physician, and ally, then she’s strong enough to decide for herself if she wants to learn about her past. Of course her memories won’t be pleasant, and it’s insulting to Ri-jin to suggest that she thinks they will be. Children don’t repress years of memories or develop a crippling fear of basements because they had good experiences. As a psychiatrist, Ri-jin has definitely dealt with patients who were victims of abuse, and now that Ri-jin knows her own memories have been suppressed, the possibility that she was abused is going to be top on her list of explanations—anything else would be absurd.

Given that Ri-jin frequently states her desire to find the truth in spite of her fear, the Do-hyun that I thought had developed over the last fourteen episodes would honor his promise to support Ri-jin the way she’s always supported him. What he’s doing instead seems like cowardice to me; and worse, it seems like he’s treating Ri-jin as a fragile doll who can’t be trusted to make her own decisions. I can only hope that when Do-hyun tries to send her away, Ri-jin will tell him to get his head out of his arse and work with her—only then will Do-hyun be able to do something constructive for a change.

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still loving this show!!

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Yess ! Still love this show too !!

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i wasnt dissapointed coz i know never to raise your expectations...NO SHOW IS PERFECT..but for me KMHM is close to perfection
and whatever downside was in ep 15.......the next epi totally makes up for it!
IF u know wat i mean :p
seriously end of ep 16...... I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING!

and thats y i FREAKING LOVE THIS SHOW!

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well said

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true !!

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This episode was awesome and the next one, even better. I sometimes feel like I'm watching a completely different show than what is recapped because my feelings after watching this show often vary so greatly from the recapper's. But that's the beauty of Dramabeans, a place to celebrate our different opinions and mutual love for kdramas!

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agree! when i LOVE an episode, the recapper doesn't seem to like it much. when i find that an episode really sucks, the recapper's raving about it. lol!

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+1!!!

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Same here, but pls bring back the comedy. It's getting too depressing.

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me too, i miss the humor in the episode..but as the story unfold or for the plot movement...this can't be avoidable..i guess..the plot is heavy,it perfectly fit more on melodrama/romance in DID cases w/o comedy but thank god the writer makes it enjoyable to watch..

i just hope the last ep is a happy ending w/ comedy..

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Do Hyun's conversation with Ri On at the hospital totally brought me to tears. ;_____;

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me too T_T

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Me too. Even i had to pause when Rion crying :((

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Two incredibly beautiful and well-acted moments caught me in this one: Do Hyun's horror as Ri Jin chatters about a happy shared childhood, and Do Hyun and Ri On's conversation.

Si Jung is amazing. His expression while Ri Jin is talking about uncovering memories somehow managed to be anguished, incredulous and strained in a way that made it believable that Ri Jin might actually not notice. The way he hid behind his hand, the whole thing, completely heartbreaking.

And then the two guys talking was beautifully well-balanced. The fact that they both carefully didn't mention the root of the problem right up until Do Hyun's instructing Ri On to tell a future Ri Jin that it wasn't her fault that she was abused - Do Hyun speaking it aloud and Ri On's worst fears being confirmed, and then they both choke up. For a scene where Ri Jin wasn't even in, it was just such a lovely way to show how much they both love her, and not in the typical "she's mine, back off" way that competing men sometimes are shown. This was so clearly something Ri On didn't want to be true, and something Do Hyun so clearly doesn't want to discuss, and they found their way around exchanging just enough information to get a whole picture.

This is also one of the first times that noble idiocy has made a damn bit of sense in a k-drama for me. I can actually understand Ri On and Do Hyun conspiring to stop Ri Jin from suddenly accessing those memories again. It's one thing if she intentionally pursues those memories, but that's never been her goal, it's all been coincidental. Do Hyun knows the facts of her abuse, and Ri On's witnessed and tended to the aftermath, so it's understandable they both want to shield her unless she's actively looking.

There might have been a few misfires early on in this drama, but it is going on all cylinders for me now. Amazing.

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YEESS those two scenes were my favourites too. :( Beautifully acted and so so heartbreaking.

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True... I re-watched the scene where Do Hyun listens to Ri Jin speaking about how finding out memories might be good... so moving.

Ji Sung is another master at eliciting our emotions by the subtle changes in his face and body language. Kudos to him!!!

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Ha, I've just seen I managed to write "Ji Sung" as "Si Jung" - no idea where that came from, whoops.

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Do Hyun speaking it aloud and Ri On’s worst fears being confirmed, and then they both choke up. For a scene where Ri Jin wasn’t even in, it was just such a lovely way to show how much they both love her, and not in the typical “she’s mine, back off” way that competing men sometimes are shown.

I agree with you. The execution is so perfect that I want to give a hug to PD-nim and Writer-nim. ಥ_ಥ

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THIS. I agree that this is one of the few, if not only, situations in which I'm okay with noble idiocy.
For the adults of Seunggin Group, Ri Jin's memories are what's a threat. That's why Crazy Mom relaxed so visibily to hear that she had no recollection of what was done to her. Do Hyun and Ri On are trying to ensure her safety by keeping her in the dark. Yes, I do have issues with them taking over her autonomy, but I appreciate the place of deep, protective from which the actions come.

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The question is, how far S. Group will go to eliminate a potential threat. I have my suspicions about the car accident of ORJ's mom and we still don't know how the fire started then in the basement. I thought that's what ri jin was recalling at the beginning of the episode. ..trying to get out seeing the flames. . But what do I know...

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Yes, AND we have to keep in mind that ChaDoHyun felt and still feels guilty for the abuses suffered by RiJin in the basement.
Nobody could sweep this kind of deeply grounded feelings Under the carper just because they are in love.
After all his DID stem mainly from it.

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Me too!! I was never a fan of Ji Sung's but this drama especially the hospital wowed me. There are so many levels of emotions that he is displaying and breaks my heart just to watch it. I hope he will get a Daesang at the end of year and not give to some actor because of popularity. *rolling my eyes*

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I agree. The scene were Do Hyun and Ri On are crying was just so sad and I cried. They both would like to alter the past and protect their loved ones but are incapable of doing so. Ri On for the first time was truly scared for his and his family's happiness. He was insecure and sad, it came from a good place. And I didn't mind the overuse of flashbacks. The flashbacks keep changing slowly. Do Hyun at first thought he was the one being abused but slowly realized it wasn't so. From a narrative point of view, changing the flashbacks to me at least made sense. About the loss of humor, I don't personally see how the truth being revealed and humor can go hand in hand in this episode. The truth we knew from the very beginning was going to be sad and painful, even dark. I wasn't surprised at the lack of humor, the truth often is ugly and this episode was testament of that. We want it to be all rosy but it rarely is. Do Hyun has DID. A person with such serious mental condition often have sad history of abuse associated and the show did deliver on that ground. It made sense to me.
And the noble idiocy for me made sense because I have watched episode 16. SPOILER ALERT:
Do Hyun is scared of telling her the truth so he chose not to because he took responsibility for everything that happened to them like he always does. It wasn't out of character for him. Ri Jin knew he was going to do that and told him, she doesn't want it and to walk away if he can because she won't walk away from him. It wasn't noble idiocy. Do Hyun still isn't ready to face and completely accept the fact that he too was a victim and none of it was his fault. He chose to walk away because of his own sense of overwhelming guilt not because Ri Jin would be better off without him. At least that is what I felt. For once, the guy in Korean dramaland is more vulnerable than the girl. It almost refreshing.

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shall we leave the ep 16 part on tuesday to discuss? D: my hands are itchy too!! ><

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Awwwwwww I know the latest episodes have really been miserable but I still found it to be heart wrenching and a 'pleasant' viewing experience, if you know what I mean haha

I'm also thinking the flashbacks are too frequent but I think I can forgive that, seeing as though this is one of the very few dramas in recent years to get me so emotionally invested.

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Also, I find the noble idiocy understandable because, who would want someone they love to remember such a horrifying experience? She DID say she was willing to remember, but the same memory is what made Do Hyun's mind shatter in the first place.

But despite all that, I still don't understand why he couldn't hug her back on the rooftop :(

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I'm also ok with the noble idiocy for this particular instance, although, I don't know... maybe it would also have been nice if they had given her a chance to choose ..."If you did not know something which would be painful and are not seeking to find out about it, do you still want to know it?" She could say, maybe later or yes, she's willing to know about it and take the consequences.

Not giving her the chance to know that she even has a choice, ie taking away the choice is the part I'm not too happy with, although I can understand why.

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Agree.they should've asked her first.

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Oh... and as to the hug... I was wondering if it was just a holding back out of guilt. He really wanted to hold her, but felt he did not deserve it kind of thing, because it was his father who hit her instead of hitting him. Some convoluted reasoning or other, I guess. :)

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I think he didn't want RJ to get too attached to him, since he is planning on leaving her, so he didn't want to send her any more wrong messages by hugging her back. He gave in when she was talking about her past, because he didn't want to her to see him cry or think he his crying is something negative.

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@growingbeautifully and me - I believe your both right, that it was a combination of the two. It took me second to wonder why he didn't hug her back, but then with the way he is feeling he could hardly ask her help carry his burden.

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I'm not a fan of the way this drama is headed in the direction of noble idiocy, BUT at the same time I recognise that there are multiple markers planted where Ri-jin has been offered the full story and said she's not curious, while at the same time saying she wants to find her childhood memories even if it is for Do-hyun's sake.

still, even if it is out of love that Ri-on and Do-hyun are planning the breakup, I am NOT a fan of that move at all!

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...4 days have past and I'm still crying ? eottheohge KMHM?
Arigato Purplecow! Off to read now

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huhuhu.. T.T
Let's all have a group hug!!!

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*Join in the group hug* ?

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Huuuuuuugggggg

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huhu..@Beebeeshing yes chingu!!!
And we need a tighter hug and few more box of tissues for Episode 16. I hope we don't need tissues for Episode 17 though

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dont forget me huhuhuhu

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^ Of course chingu!!! :)
here,huuuuuugsssss!!:)
we need it as much as the leads need to be together..

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Xoxo @Aria @Beebeeshing @lara4liwa

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UGHHH that scene where Do-hyun was trying to hide his tears and pulled Ri-jin into a hug..... :( Also, the conversation Do-hyun and Ri-on had at the hospital broke my heart. :(

Ngl though, the flashbacks are really getting to me now. When you use something over and over again, inevitably it's going to start losing its meaning and that's exactly what's happening here. The same flashbacks have been used way too many times for me to feel the emotional impact it's supposed to have anymore.

And yeah, I expected them to take the Noble Idiocy route, but that doesn't mean I'm happy to see it. T_T Hopefully it doesn't last long. There is really no reason that justifies pushing Ri-jin away - I mean, everyone was already searching for the child even BEFORE Do-hyun met Ri-jin, so how does cutting her off keep her any safer?!? And okay, so Ri-on and Do-hyun think that she'd be happier not knowing her past, fair enough. Do-hyun's always been a bit of a noble idiot either way, so I can understand how it'd kiiind of fit his character, but seriously, when the girl's not only stated that she wants to know, but is already in the process of remembering, removing yourself from the situation really DOESN'T HELP.

I'm actually more unhappy about the next episode, but I'll rant about that in the next recap LOL. :P

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Has Ri Jin actually ever stated she wants to know for her own benefit, though? That's why I think the guys aren't being protectionist jerks about this - because their separate cues make them think she doesn't necessarily want this.

Ri On has only just found out after two decades that Ri Jin knows she's not his biological twin. That means she's known all of his stories were his way of protecting her, and that she has deliberately not pried into her past. When he overhears her talking to their mom, Ri Jin specifically says she'll find out later. I think it's reasonable to Ri On to take the position that he'll protect Ri Jin until she explicitly states she wants to know.

And then there's Do Hyun, who hears repeatedly that Ri Jin is going to recover her memories FOR HIM. He's already been warned that Ri Jin gives too much of herself to her patients, and now he's hearing that she'll delve into memories he knows to be incredibly painful on his behalf. Again, what he's hearing is that she really has no interest in recovering her memories for herself, but that she wants to help him.

So that's why I think the Ri On/Do Hyun collaboration makes sense. Do Hyun's clearly the accelerant here, without him Ri Jin wouldn't be giving her past a second thought. If Do Hyun's removed and Ri Jin STILL wants to find out what happened in her past, then at least it's clear it's for her own benefit that she's doing it.

It's a hard call to make. You know a happy, cheerful, loved person and you realize that you can tell them a truth that will result in pain for them. They haven't asked for that to be revealed, and have a past history of deliberately not uncovering truths - at what point is telling that truth helping, and when is it unwanted meddling?

(I do realize that there's the entire issue of Do Hyun's family here, but Ri On's shown that he's aware of that side of things and will likely be better at shielding Ri Jin given he's got no connection to them.)

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Did I miss something ... when was it that Ri Jin's mum knew that Ri Jin knew she is adopted. Was it not something that was hidden even from the twins?

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Yes, however it came about, the parents never referred to Ri Jin as adopted - and given they kept calling her Ri On's "twin", I'm guessing they intended to convince the kids they were actual twins from the start.

It looks like the entire family thought Ri Jin genuinely had lost all of her childhood memories and had no idea she was adopted, it's only in recent episodes that she's been dropping small hints that she not only knows, but has always known and just went along with the plan. Happily, it seems. Mom found that out in ep 14, I think?

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When Ri Jin thanks her parents for giving her and Ri On equal love. One of the lunar new year episodes.

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Thanks KDramaNewbie. I did try and rewatch Ep 14...maybe I'll come to it soon. :)

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@Miranda, thanks for explaining everything so well. Heaven knows I hate it when characters refuse to communicate for no good reason, but I agree with you that Ri Jin's initial reason for recovering her memories is not the right reason. You could even say she was the noble idiot first, except I guess she just wants to help Do Hyun and has no idea how terrible her memories will turn out to be.

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I'm with you, Miranda. Both Do Hyun and Ri On care so much for her well-being that they want to protect her from the pain of remembered abuse. I would think Do Hyun especially, given the awesome depiction of how physically and emotionally painful those memories can be, through the beating he just endured.

At first, I too, was peeved at how LONG and brutal that beating was. Until I realized it was the perfect metaphor for how excruciating memories of abuse can be. A beating dictated by Witness-turned-Perpetrator Mom, no less.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought the purpose behind all those flashbacks was to show exactly how different each one actually was. And how, bit by bit, the "puzzle" came together - from believing he had been alone in the basement, to realizing he had company, that his companion was a girl, and that a blurry adult, who later became his father, had punished Do Hyun by inflicting his abuse on a defenseless little girl, Ri Jin.

His first doctor had said that memory is a mysterious thing. I'd say PD nim has done a good job of showing how recovering lost memories is like peeling layers off an onion. When you think you're done, you're not.

For me, who LOVES the hilarity of this drama, the importance of the topic - child abuse - merits the gravity of this episode.

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"I’m actually more unhappy about the next episode, but I’ll rant about that in the next recap LOL."

Well said, @es! :D My thoughts exactly.

But from a dramatic narrative viewpoint, I'm really excited about the sheer scale and audacity of the secret that was revealed then - it went off with a bigger bang than any of Ferry Park's bombs!

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one problem with the flashbacks is that the children used in them are just serviceable actors - they are cute but not much else, so it's hard to really connect them to the adult Do-hyun and Ri-jin the way I have in the past with other child actors.

So while I get the need for a gradual info reveal, the flashbacks only stand out to me as something getting in the way of my seeing more of Ji Sung and Hwang Jung-eum.

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I'll have to disagree with you here, I thought the children did a mighty fine job and had no problems connecting with their characters. They set the right kind of tone - no overacting or underacting in this case. As for the flashbacks, they would have been tiresome in any other drama, but not in this one because they ARE so relevant to the show for many reasons:

1. They serve to remind us of the internal conflicts occuring with the characters. Remember that DID is a mental disease, without the use of the flashbacks, it would be hard to relate to just how the characters came to be in the position they are in, or where they are coming from. It's vital to the narration as it helps us get into the heads of the characters.

2. The flashbacks don't feel like filler, they seem to have a personality of their own. I'd liken it to the third character in the room whenever Do Hyun/Se Gi relates with others and refers to the past.

3. The flashbacks gives us clues to the past and keeps us guessing, trying to figure out how things stand. Which is a huge part of the fun of this drama for me. It keeps my brain working overtime. You can also call them narrative markers in this tale.

4. It helps to keep the suspense in this story alive (a good example of this happens with the next episode ), you might say it's a lazy way to tell a story relying so heavily on the use of it, but it's very effective.

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Honestly, I can understand the frustration one would feel by watching Do Hyun's and Ri On's action. Although they are trying to protect Ri Jin, but Ri Jin has stated that she wanted to recover her memories. In episode 14, she even told Ri On that she was lucky to have them as her family because they filled her empty memories with happiness, and that she felt sorry for Do Hyun because his family tried to hide his pain by glamorizing his life...and she said that doesn't help heal the wound! These two boys, instead of trying to protect her, should actually listen to her because she obviously, knows what she want, and although the experience is tramatizing and she might fear it at the beginning, Ri Jin is strong enough to withstand it, especially when her memories isn't as bleak as Do Hyun think...she had him to protect her in the past and that is the good memory she was talking about that exist in the midst of bad memories.

I can't wait for this noble idocracy to end (especially disappointed with Ri Oh especially since Ri Jin told him that hiding things doesn't help the healing and he goes and requested something like this). The same goes for Do Hyun because he promised to weather all pain and changed it to good memories with Ri Jin...that gave her courage to face her past because she has his hand to hold onto. He has to quickly keep his promise and be the "man" she can rely on instead of just saying he would.

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Out of all the noble idiocy or flashback
What I get us truly how miserable hurt soul is
Even it painful, you can't just look away from that, and that is exactly this show told me
Sad things will come but still you can't just skipp it becase there's no way you gonna understand the sadness is

All this time, do hyun always the one who receive
Since the 1st ep it ia actually how do hyun is, he is not someone that can bear a burden like segi said, he is that weak noble idiocy
We have high hopes because he changes on facing his past
But he still have all that guilt and afraid if he meet new problem

Rijin give him hopes, help when no one stretch a hand, couple of times he admits he can't give anything to her
But when seeing how happy that girl life is become
As an audience I understand the only thing do hyun can have is her life
that she has now, he can bear to take that happiness with no guarantee on happiness as the outcame

Ri on on the other hand can t bear to see how his family and his sister loose that happy life
It is something that shine when when ri on beg and cry and to star trusting do hyun amd do hyun ask for her happiness

If remember the time line, just about 3 month agp everything is happy for oh family, now all the sad tears flow, not to mention if their parents knew. Rion as big brother is like that

The flashback is haunted me becauae it too much and later just shocking how many times our memories can be blinded just because wee see it many times and accept that as raw truth
When memoty is just what we prefer to remember especially a bad one

It is the melodrama time, and what can I said, I enjoy it cause I can lool it away
This drama bring me how sad feeling is that big when you remember how happy you are before
It is painful but it is what need to happen and that's a call to wake you up that sad story can just cover with some happiness
Let's finish and face it to move on
I freaking love this drama

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Edit : the only thing do hyun can GIVE to her is her life that she has NOW

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Amen to your last sentence!!!
I also freaking love it!!!!!!

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Yeah! I freaking looooove this drama, along with its flaws!

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I'll embrace it wholeheartedly!
The brilliant scenes, dialogues, monologues, genre shifts, OSTs, directing, writing and of course, its flaws.
For when you really love something, you take into account that it is not perfect and it will never be.
Just learn to embrace it for all its worth and you'll be satisfied :)

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hallucination has been my anthem for the past two months. The song is so good!

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true...I really like that song
it just not a good song but so memorable as KMHM song
like throwing all the feeling of KMHM audience and like the song

I like healing love, but it kind of lack something but I totally love the pair who sing, their voice is just work perfect

for the secret ....ost (i forget the actual title) it is great ost but too sad for my daily anthem

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yeaah BlueSky, will embrace it no matter what

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Thanks purplecow for your recap and your take on the mood of this episode. It's true that while other episodes had light moments interspersed with the tense ones, this one was rather grey and dark, as if now that Chunseok is over, we enter more sombre times.

I was reflecting over the course of a few episodes on the make and break of persons because of the greed of their parents. It seems a repeated (in triplicate) pattern that has ruined lives. Joon Pyo selfishly runs off for 6 years only to return with young Do Hyun to get him on the family register, which probably starts the process of child abuse. His mother, Chairwoman Seo can only think about Joon Pyo and keeps the company for him, practically casting aside her own grandson in the interim. The fact that child abuse occurred is probably known to her but she does nothing.

Do Hyun's birth mother, Shin Hwa Ran continues the greed in endless lies, so as to use Do Hyun to keep her place in Seungjin Group. All through this, another child is abused and hidden and ignored by these adults, while Do Hyun knows the horror and bears the guilt.

That they allow their own flesh and blood to be nothing but an object through which they gain prestige and wealth, without once considering his emotional or mental state and without compunction or guilt, is horrifying. Under these circumstances it is understandable that Do Hyun fractures.

And then in stark contrast we have Oh Dae Oh and his wife who have no children of their own, but yet are able to take in, and love a broken child. Out of generosity they rebuild the life of Ri Jin, give her a good brother and enough love so that she becomes whole. She cannot remember her past, but she does not need to find out about it to be at peace in her present. She is happy and secure in whom she is, because of good parents.

And what you (purplecow) say about taking a leaf from the book of Chae Yeon and her mum is so true. How can money and prestige be more important than the happiness or the good of one's child. This is another show turning on defective parenthood at it's worst (or is it at it's best?) LOL!

Although I feel overall down with this episode plus so much pathos for Do Hyun, I also have a hope that with more and more revelations, there will be renewal and reformation in the lives of all these unhappy 'people'. Already the Do Hyun's other personas have been silent and Do Hyun is managing greater self-integration. A positive sign for happier last few episodes, I hope!

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I wasn't prepared for this show to get so intense, so heavy. This ep is so sad it depresses me. I love the show, for it is well written and all. But, "depressing" is not a feeling I enjoy where watching drama.

I want to slap DH's mother. That woman isn't even listening to her son, much less trying to understand his needs. All she is about is greed for the corporation, n she is using her son to get it. There is no hint of love or concern or consideration. Poor DH! No wonder he loves RJ so much, since she is the one who shows real concern for him.

The worst grandmother ever is just Tiresome to watch. She played the exact same char in Royal Family, also w Ji Sung. What is the fun in an acting career if all u do is One role?

I also don't get the idea that it's for RJ's good to keep the past from her. Rational adults would want to face the past and surmount it. But both RO n DH think she needs protecting like some porcelain doll.

I love this much much much more when Ji Sung was being a teenage girl! Why can't she be the dominant personality to stay for good? (I ask in jest).

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Hahahaha! True, true .... if there's one persona to keep, let it be Yo Na's. So much spirit and challenge and any handsome guy would be fair game!!! She'd have a whole horde of angry girl friends and running after her and another lot of frightened men running away from her LOL!

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@GB, Hi dearie,
The post-Healer KD landscape is soooo bleak. KMHM Was my 1 bright spot, esp when Yona was around. Then this happened! Ep 16 was even worse. I can't even.
I've never watched less KD per week than I'm doing right now. Sigh........

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@KDaddict?JCW
Hi my dear :) I am being buried under RL but dig myself out to draw breath with 4 kdramas at odd times. This is one of them. I'll email you what I'm watching now or you can check more in the group posts.

As I mentioned above, despite this episode of sadness (and now as you mention, Yo Na's non-appearance), I still have hopes for an Integrated Mr X and a resolution of or improvement from so many deleterious relationships. It will be too sad if Do Hyun ends up alone with just his trusty Secretary Ahn. Besides returning to friendship with Chae Yeon, DH could really do with more bromance with Omega and an uplifting family like the Oh's to keep him mentally and emotionally well.

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it's the first time i'm posting for this show.. but i just finished epi 15 subbed n i really need to put down my thoughts..

what an episode.. i was literally crying from beginning to end, that i forgot it was actually kmhm that i'm watching! never has there been an episode that was filled with such sadness until this.. but then again, if the show didn't already made me care about the characters this much, i probably wouldn't shed as much tears..

granted i was mentally prepared for the separation of the OTP, i mean, what's a k-drama if there's no contrived reason to separate the OTP for an episode or so?! that's how u justify them overcoming all odds and love winning through.. lol..

but then again, it didn't stop me from being invested in the story, and even feeling their pain (this i meant DH and RO's).. i actually understood why it had to happen (besides it being a well-used drama trope)..

you ask why they have to decide that she shouldn't remember? you already have the answer since the beginning - it was so painful that she had to forget.. it's not that they are making a decision for her.. DH is the one who decided to leave her.. not because he do not want her to remember, this comes after that, it's when he realised that the one who kidnapped RJ is his mom, he realise that being with him is what made her in danger.. like what he said to ORO, when she finally remembers, pls tell her that it's not her fault and she deserves to be loved..

i feel like everyone likes to jump on the "noble idiot" ship too easily and never ever gave much consideration about the thoughts and feelings of the ones really in the situation and not like us audience who are merely outsiders who can say whatever righteous things we want..

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Well said! There's NO noble idiocy in trying to prevent the traumatic memories of a once abused person, from being recalled. Especially when she's doing so well in the present, is much loved with a warm and vibrant personality. Recall that she still had nightmares and fear from her abuse in the past. If you were in Do Hyun's or Ri On's shoes, you'd probably do the same. Protecting her in this instance, makes TOTAL sense, especially when her motivation to recall these events stem from a desire to help Do Hyun and not from any personal reason.

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Actually I really like the actress playing the grandmother. She does cold rage really well, and she was wonderful as the owner of the restaurant in The Attorney.

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Apart from excessive flashbacks and fox girl, this episode is heart-wrenching.
I can understand the angst, since the memories are so horrible, there is almost nothing to smile about other than RJ's bright personality (tho she actually knows).
I don't like noble idiocy but that's expected from someone like CDH. I'd be very surprised if he volunteered to help RJ to regain her memory.

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yep, it shows how much he loves her, and how far he is willing to sacrifice his happiness for her sake

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I kinda get why Do-hyun pushed Ri-jin away - because he feels guilty and it's difficult for him to cope with the guilt. Character-wise, I can totally see it. But I just want them to be together with each other, hugging one another and healing each other's wounds. I agree on the flashbacks: I don't mind it for the first 10 minutes of ep 15 but as I finished ep 16, I have to admit that there's excessive use of flashbacks. Might be due to live shoots. But still loving the show :)

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Maybe he thinks she is his sister and that's the reason he want to back off before giving her the same pain that he is feeling now?!

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If you are referring to DH as RI's brother, I think the show has succinctly shown that they are not related.

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the show does but does he?? he still doesn't have all his memories

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also I downloaded ep16 but can't bring myself to watch it after all the paiiiiiiiiin in this one

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Yes it is painful, but it will be better in ep 17. I hope. (╥﹏╥)

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It's worth going through the pain even when you're helpless staring your tv screen..watch it..twist awaits!

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yes!! but for me, the pain is worth it even without the twist. HJE shine in the next ep. :D

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Do Hyun feels guilty and it's understandable he does not want Ri Jin remember their childhood trauma since she's stated she's only doing it for him. However I still cannot accept them removing her agency and working together to keep secrets. She's clearly going to figure it out their motivation based on her work and knowledge of the situations and, unknown to them, she is already starting to remember

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I don't know about removing her agency. Nobody is stopping her from consulting Dr Seok, asking her parents questions (and I bet Mr and Mrs Oh know a lot more than they're letting on) or even confronting the Seung Jin group people. What Do Hyun and Ri On are doing is removing Do Ryun from the equation and hope she'll stop digging as a result. What bothers me about this is not that it's noble idiocy, or that it constitutes removing Ri Jin's agency -- it's that it's so ineffectual. Do Do Hyun and Ri On really think she's just going to give up, especially as she knows exactly why Do Hyun terminated their contract (as she explained when Ri On met her on the beach)?

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Oh no, many apologies, I think my comment above alludes to something in episode 16. Please remove it if necessary.

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I think purplecow put it very well when she stated what was such a highlight about this show - the fact that it managed to draw comedy out of the most unexpected places without undermining just how serious and tragic Do Hyun's circumstances are. And I miss that part quite a bit with the serious turn this week's episodes took.

However, I get why they had to go there - there's literally NOTHING for anyone to be happy about as the truth bombshells start dropping, and this is one instance where Do Hyun's actions WOULD be undermined if we suddenly had a switch to Yo Na or Ferry Park. He's trying to solve the mystery, protect Ri Jin and take down Seungjin Group, after all - the funny alter egos would only take attention away from it and prevent him from progressing.

I definitely don't see Do Hyun and Ri On as being assholes for preventing Ri Jin from finding out her missing memories in this case, either. I know usually we would argue that the heroine's independent agency should be respected, etc. etc., but from Do Hyun's standpoint, he knows the full extent of her terrible past experiences. Not only that, but he ALSO knows that he's the sole cause of her wanting to recall these memories - Ri Jin has actually told Ri On that she had no curiosity about her past; she only wants to know now because she thinks it would help Do Hyun. You sort of see why he'd feel doubly guilty about prompting the return of her horrible memories in this case and wanting to stop it before it went any further, wouldn't you? As far as Do Hyun is concerned, he has "done enough" to her in the past, has enough to be guilty about in the past towards Ri Jin to want to focus solely on making amends, NOT making her situation worse.

Ri On comes from a similar place - he knows the full extent of the horrors she experienced and knows Ri Jin herself doesn't really have any wish to remember aside from wanting to help Do Hyun with HIS memories. If Ri Jin herself had said she wanted to find out for her own reasons, I think both boys would have thought differently, but as it is... I can see why they did it. Even if Do Hyun and Ri On's actions might be misguided, it's certainly not out of asshole-ish chauvinism or anything.

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Agree with your last 2 paragraphs - I still think he's being a frustrating jerk, but I can understand that from where Cha Do Hyun's standing, his primary instinct would be the Noble Idiocy route, because Cha Do Hyun's style is to go into defensive "protective" mode, to minimise damage and clean up the mess that his family has made and inflicted on Ri Jin.

But I think that even Se Gi might not disagree with Do Hyun's approach, since he (SG) effectively said to the Chairwoman that he/Do Hyun should have been left to die in the basement instead of Ri Jin. (But then again, Se Gi showed RJ all those toys to try and jog her memory...)

Of course, both Do Hyun and Ri On are being naive in thinking that they can stop Ri Jin's memories from coming back, now that they've already started returning. That train's already left the station, well and truly.

Also, if Ri On knows that Ri Jin is part of the Seungjin Group's family mystery, he must know that just having Do Hyun stay away from Ri Jin isn't going to resolve things.

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I think Se-Gi let him

I think se gi has stated in the carriage when they see the fireworks if she liked it and she is happy

he just said he glad his love is alive and never mention about her part in his memory

He want that moment to be lasting forever

and now he give do-hyun time for his own since he said he can handle it but do-hyun as a personality wise, didn't that kind of person

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I've been waiting for this recap since forever!!! Thanks Purplecow for churning this out every Sunday. It always a pleasure to see purplecow's insights! I agree that it is all about misery in this episode.

Melo starts from here. I wonder whether the beginning of the episode is what Segi wanted for Rijin when they are trapped in the fire or during the basement. He is always late but he will be there for her. It is so sad because I see both Do Hyun and Segi are now guilty for not protecting Rijin because they always want to keep their promise to her.

As for Do Hyun's Mum, she MUST disappoint me from the beginning till the end. Honestly, I was like Do Hyun. I put a little faith in Mum that she would care for her son. The confession made by Do Hyun was so heart wrenching that I cried at the scene. (Kudos to Jisung for this stellar performance). He was so vulnerable and for the first time, he decide to tell family about it, and Mum totally ruin the moment. I felt so disappointed, together with Do Hyun, in Mum because all she cared was Seungjin group. No wonder Segi is in rage mode when he sees his mother. It made evil Grandma a much better choice for knowing the truth first since she decide to let Do Hyun go back to America, just like he wanted.

And seriously, Chaeyoen did the right thing. I couldn't even dislike her at this stage now. She is manipulative but at least she is honest. I would hate her if she decides to actually trying tear my OTP apart but I shall leave that to later episode recap.

As for Rion, I see the similarity - him and Cha family. Both are trying to cover it up the truth except that Rion is genuinely cared for his sister. When it's Do Hyun, they are always truthful to each other. Yes, they keep things from each other but they never lied when asked. I know his heart is also ripped apart in the process but I hope he can get closure.

Speak of Segi, I don't think Segi disappeared in this episode (it has nothing to do with the next ep too). I could see Segi is coming out when Rion pushed Do Hyun to the wall. Plus he haven't surrender all his memories to Do Hyun, so I think I get to see him for the last time in the last 4 episodes.

And Do Hyun~ just how many times we have been commenting how Puppy is our dear Do Hyun and this ep made Do Hyun into Rina. hahaha. just how self aware this drama is?

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P.S IS RION'S MOVIE STILL IN PRODUCTION? I hope the drama is not going to skip that because it would be so fun to see the movie based on Kill Me Heal Me in KMHM.

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"As for Do Hyun’s Mum, she MUST disappoint me from the beginning till the end."

Yes, the Seungjin Group people are monsters from beginning to end, even without the D.I.D., starting with Uncle Young Pyo and his manipulative wife, Ki Joon, Chairwoman and Mom - not to mention the abusive Dad Joon Pyo!

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Yeah!!! I see ppl commenting mom and grandma is Momster and Grandmomster already. I can't help to agree with them too. The CHA family is so dysfunctional that the Do Hyun is the only decent person in the family. But.....!!! Do Hyun have DID. ಠ_ಠ

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Yes, Do Hyun has DID, but he's still more human and normal than those people! Sheesh! :)

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Agree about Oh Ri On's movie!!!
And I also just remembered, back then, I ws anticipating about the Asian Festival. I don't know now what will happen but I think we'll see more of the company war this coming Episode 17. I also expect to know about Alex (DH friend in America who was given a large sum of money and was investigated by KJ) and Mr. X!!!

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I'm so scared for ep 17. I don't know what is in store. D:

one part of me wanted Alex to go to Korea to expose DH's DID but another part of me would hate it because I really hope Alex is a good man and would be loyal to his friend.

at this point, all the people who really cared for DH are acquaintances: Oh family (don't know his true identity though), RJ and Secretary Ahn.

I need some faith in humanity in KMHM. D:

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I need some faith in humanity in KMHM. LOL

I need that too beebeeshing

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This was sad episode and next episode is Twist ending which I will wait for a recap of it.

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This episode is heart wrenching. With misery doled out to everyone. But we are dealing with the issue of abuse here, so there's bound to be a lot of that.
I understand where Dohyun is coming from. This is the guy who always bears responsibility for everything. It's keeping with his character that he would do this. We can say that that's two steps back from the progress he's made over the course of the show, but that progress came when he thought HE was the one getting abused. Now comes the realization that one who's truly suffered is the woman who's been right next to him, who's given him hope,love and happiness. That will be a tough pill to swallow for Dohyun. And that makes him truly believe that Rijin not recovering her memories is a way to protect her. Especially when she's doing it not for herself, but for him. He tells her to stop doing it IF it's for his sake and not her own. He should've just left it at that.
Because leaving her doesn't make any sense. That's where I don't like Dohyun's actions. He's the one who wanted to go through everything together and asked her to come to him first if anything happens. If he leaves, what's the point to that. And that too he should remember that this is woman who has believed in him from the get go. The one who kept telling Segi that He could handle it. She's held his hand throughout everything. So he should've done the same for her this time around.
Ask her not to recover her memories.Fine. But if even then the memories continue to come back, then stay with her and help her get through it. As she did when he was the one in pain

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Hmm... As much as I understand your frustrations, I am not angry with Do Hyun because this is what he always do. When Do Hyun tries to keep Rijin from remembering the truth, I see him trying to fix things just like when his personalities made troubles. He never gave them a single reason why he made these trouble but he only apologise and fix the mess. Apparently, this method has proved to be efficient (reference to Chaeyeon, Doctor Kim (4th ep remember?)), safe and it works. He is comfortable using this method.

B.U.T I hope writer nim will let Do Hyun redeem himself in the later episodes that this method don't work anymore for Rijin. I wished Rijin will scold or brawl at him for treating her like that.

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Yes, that is his M.O. Which is why I'm not mad at him. Just a little frustrated. And that's probably leaking out from the 16th episode. I don't think I was that frustrated when 15 ended. My bad.
Plus, oyu can never be truly mad at Dohyun. He's going through too much without the anger adding to it.

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what is a M.O? :/

HAHHA. Omg. Ep 16 have even more angsty scenes but I'm leaving my rant to next episode recap so~

Yeaaaah~ Do Hyun is such a nice man. :D IM SO GLAD THAT OUR FIRST LEAD IS A GEINUINELY A NICE PERSON. When Chaeyeon was not attracted to Do Hyun when Do Hyun was still sort of in love with her, I was like "you don't know what you are missing girl!" |( ̄3 ̄)|

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I'm pretty sure she knows that now. :P She was a bit slow in joining the Dohyun club.
I know! My fingers are just twitching waiting for ep 16 so I can rant xD
And M.O is modus operandi; like a habit or a usual way of doing something. :)

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Thanks for explaining!!! :D WE ARE AGREEING ON THIS. :D

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Still loving this show, this episode and every other episode!

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no matter what you say I want to be forgiving too but this show suddenly changed the whole vibe, the whole style. no matter what reasoning, I don´t see THAT as necessary. I still love the characters, but gosh, you should have avoided clichés. You were doing it perfectly till now. anyone who says "oh but this angst is necessary" - nope. They PROMISED to overcome ANYTHING. TOgether. are we not men of our word? plus (SPOILER PERHAPS) DH and RO deciding things for Ri Jin - even if she doesn´t exactly let it happen, or on her own terms, it was still not ok.

no matter what, the show should not have made such a shift to the boring predictable tropes.
I can forgive a lot for showing me the fan-made character dolls, but if you continue even one moment longer or bring in the second female lead who should have in fact turned into a poodle in the first episode, then I will find you INVALID!!!!!

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LOL!!!

As much as I liked this episode, I share the same stand as you. The magic in this drama is being unpredictable. I hope writer nim can change the these predictable moments in next week's episodes and them very unpredictable. :D

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Lol @ invalid!
Even though I love KMHM, this week's episodes were hard to sit through. There were maybe a total of 15-20 mins of useful material. Rest all was throwaway for me.

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I hate this unnecessary angst.
This is the only week when I dragged my feet and held off watching the epis knowing what was coming.

Hope they go back to pre- episode 14 mood ... it was lighter and loads of fun though sad and interesting.

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P.S. noble idiocy is never excusable. even if the drama is otherwise awesome.

I hope they get back to their fantastic aura. let´s pressure them (a little. cause they have the right to make their decisions. I don´t want to become like Ri ON.)

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P.S.P.S. :

what I want to see in the remaining 2 weeks

the poddle girl turned into a handbag
Perry getting a boat he was promised
every alter getting their personal happy end
Ri On becoming a character in someone elses´book
the good old quirky and open relationship between the leads
Secretary Ahn becoming in charge of the whol Cha household and putting the crazy women in their spots
big party with Oh family.

and those character dolls....hey, could they act out a scene with dolls? that would be awesome!!!

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and is that really can be called noble idiocy?

is that idiocy and noble or just idiocy

idiocy is foolish for no reason and no one act for people knowing their nobility
when here, some found the reason

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it's not change the whole vibe or style at all for me
promised to overcome together is when do-hyun think it's only about her, when even both of them haven't succeded

boring predictable, like they suppose to break up when we predicted it from the 3 month contract, but how then it supposed to do?

I knew some can't handle a heartbreaking story but then this mental health and what happen is sad,
it is unfair to treat this issue lightly and just to hope a drama is loose it main story for happiness they already give

I get how you can't handle it but thanks for watching it, cause on way side of people who find this week is dark, there's some who find it need, and there's some who find it interesting again ^^

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I didn't mind the heaviness (that was expected, given the backstory). But I was rolling my eyes thinking "There we go, Korean melo tropes..."
Trope 1: Protecting somebody without telling them what they need to be protected from
Trope 2: Taking the agency from a female character "for her own good".
Trope 3: One-sided break-up without any explanation or attempt to talk to each other
WTF. First of all, it's not like Ri On and Do Hyun can make Ri Jin "un-memorize" what she has already learned about her past, the process has already started.
Second, she should be the one to make the choice - she is a trained therapist, remember?
Third, it's definitely stupid to not tell her anything because the monsters of Seungjin group will still be after her, incomplete memory or not. She should know about that at least.
(On a sidenote, if there was one think that irked me about 'Healer' was the fact that neither Jung Hoo nor Moon Ho told Young Shin)

And I hate the use of the flashbacks because they are not adding something. I would be fine with the high frequency of flashback scenes if they were actually "new" scenes - but they're not. They feel more like "hey, we are life-shooting and don't have enough material so just use the old one again."

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Gna, why does my auto-correct turn 'thing' into 'think' and 'live' into 'life'... Sorry for the typos.

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Yup. Agree with all of this.

I'm trying to figure out why DH might do something so contradictory to his promise to RJ in the basement. But nothing comes to me.

Trope 2 is the worst trope in the history of tropes I tell you. Like seriously! How can the men in a women's life be so freaking highhanded and condescending and then expect us female viewers NOT to get up in arms about it!

RJ is a doctor - a psychiatrist! Of the three of them, she is the most capable of handling the situation. So why does a guy with DID and a mystery writer (brother or not) think they have the right to decide what's right for her simply because they claim to love her. If they love her, they'll help her not cage her.

I'm reminded of Moon Shik's love for MH. He too thinks its better for her to know nothing. The only difference is that he stayed by her side (for her good)- and here DH is leaving her (for her good).

Just DH and RO arriving at this decision themselves reeks of chauvinism.

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hmm... I must say that I disagree with your reference with Healer (I MARATHON 20 EPS WITHIN 2 DAYS WHICH ALSO EXPLAIN WHY I SORT OF DISAPPEARED IN THE PREVIOUS RECAP, i know it's insane. BUT I HAVE TO SAY IT IS A GOOD DRAMA and I love it. :D)

I don't see how Moon Shik's love bears similarity with Do Hyun's love for Rijin.

Moon shik manipulated and lied to her to engineer her thoughts that she is left with nothing except him when she is the most vulnerable. It is all about his interest before MH. Yes, I agree that he is also a tragic character which I can't entirely hate but he could have help her to move on by not being selfish and not leaving her daughter to die on the street.

Do Hyun did not lie or manipulate Rijin to fall in love with him. I don't like the way he collaborated with Rijin to leave her even though it is understandable since he remembered the horror, but he thinks of Rijin before himself.

It would be similar to Segi x Rijin but definitely not Do Hyun x Rijin.

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Till Korean drama writers figure out a way for CDH to tell ORJ "Hey those memories you repressed, they are actually you getting horribly abused, by my father. You would get beaten up for mistakes I made. Also when you were recently kidnapped, that was my mother. Let us overcome this together."

I guess running away is the only thing he can do. I assume people here have heard of Survivor's guilt. Till CDH works things out in his head, I don't think he should get back with her. Both of them need to offload the baggage, him especially.

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What I was trying to say , albeit not very well, was that whatever the subconsious motivation of Moon Shik and Do Hyun, they both TELL themselves that thier decision and subsequent actions are "for the good" of the woman in question. We as viewers are expected to hate one and love the other because we are shown their inner motivations. But both of them make the decision for the female.

KMHM might be using it to make DH look good. But , unfortunately, here it is rubbing me the wrong way since it's highly chauvinistic.

SeGi approached RJ knowing full well who she is and what's at risk. He was the one who put himself on a plane and came to Korea. It's quite likely to make sure RJ is safe. That's the behaviour that I like. If SG was in control, he'd have told RO to sc*ew himself. And that he's the most capable of being RJ's best support since they went through this torture together.

btw, my complaints are for episode 15 and 15 alone.

spolier for 16 - RJ totally handles the situation the way I hoped her character would.

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Oh I see! Now it does make sense.

Hahahahahaha! Omg I could totally imagine how Segi would tell Rion. I would love that scene to happen but unfortunately, our Segi has been hiding for two weeks already. :(

As for Rijin, let's discuss it more in next recap. I can see good discussion topic is waiting for us in the next recap post by Saya already!

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Haha invalid indeed. Since everyone is openly discussing ep16 here, I wont be surprised if one of CDH's alters takes over in episode 17. The shock is simply too great for him to take.

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nope!! NOT ME!! I really tried very hard to resist it because ep 16 is shifting the story into a very different dynamic.

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betting on Perry to sail him far far away.

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LOL. If writer nim decides to send him to Aruba in the last episode, I would be entertained. :D

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Thanks for the recap purplecow! I am still enjoying the show inspite of the recent heaviness. I guess this was expected as we are getting to the final stretch.
I think this episode and the next could have been squeezed into one, if they could judiciously used the stretched flashbacks. I am starting to get desensitized to the abuse of the kids and that's not cool. My reaction was, ok ok we know, can we move on.. And I was ashamed of that ?.
As usual dramaland men always want to protect the delicate female lead, so I am over that debate. It's a given! Despite how strong she is, this shit is like air to dramas. A drama won't be complete without
a) noble idiocy
b) ostensibly needing to "protect" the female lead.. Usually it emotional shielding
c) one of the leads prob will leave for a year, be without contact and then come back in the last 10 mins of the last episode!

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Ooohhhh!!!! Good one :) but I am feeling a little sad as if we are suddenly seeing off the other personas of Do Hyun :( , like Se Gi , Yo Sub , CDH suddenly became too strong .... Before this ep I thought the recovery of memory would push Do Hyun to a state where he would lose control of his emotions and personas would appear to cause extreme problems like Se Gi would beat up someone, Yo Sub trying suicide , Yo na appearing Ri On's home but Do Hyun even pushed Se Gi in this ep ...

Still I m hopeful we are going to have glimpses of every persona again :) in coming EPs and yaaahhhh Cha Do Hyun ssi Now that you know who Ri Jin is don't push her away but keep her near to you that's how you can protect her :)

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Thanks for the recap.

I hate noble idiocy, it brings about moping and sadness ... but still understand why CDH does it. He believes it all happened because of him and his father abused Ri Jin so he cannot expect her to be happy with him. He feels guilty and thinks distance will help her forget him and the whole sordid mess his parents created.

Still his line of thinking is wrong, he should reveal it all and let Ri Jin decide what she is capable of and what she wishes to do next ... as to her being in danger, you are right about that. All the baddies will try to use her to their advantage. The best help for Ri jin would be to apprise her of the facts.

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I appreciated the use of flashbacks, however long they might have been, to tell me the stories of the children. I, as an audience, don't know the OTP's detailed background and I am watching the veil being peeled away layer by layer or creating a picture by adding more details.

I am a counselor working with veterans suffering from PTSD; they talked of their traumas, how they keep reliving it each day through flashbacks and nightmares in an endless loop and how their lives are negatively affected by their inability to disconnect.

Here, the OTP are trying to patch and connect pictures thru the use of flashbacks. Stylistically, I love it because the PD take a flashback in the basement, from close up to long view to show the different perspectives from those who are remembering or recovering these missing memories.

I do have a problem with the men trying to protect the woman because RiJin was never shown to be a weak, helpless woman; for the last 15 episodes, she was shown to be smart, agile in mind and body, expressive, quick-witted, inventive, secure in the love of her family, professionally competent. How in the world did the brother for the 2nd time turn into a patriarchal male who knows better and will decide for your own good. RiOn taught his sister how to be strong, yet wanted her to be weak and forgetful when she needed to be strong.

I forgive Do Hyun for his protective instincts because he was the protector since they were kids; however misguided his motives are, they nonetheless are skewed toward protecting her by giving her the veil of ignorance. His presence is the trigger to her memories and her mental wellbeing; by removing himself, he wants to give her back the stability she had before meeting him. I agree that his reasoning is faulty regarding her safety and still naïve in what monstrous steps his family could take to keep their power. Give him a chance or two for he has never been in love before and he has never faced or dealt with the horror of his life.

The angst, I LOVE IT!!! Because it showcased the superb acting skills of the OTP and cast. I watched it twice, to enjoy it and then to study why the acting, directing worked so well to pull me in so thoroughly.

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actually, I find the flashback quite effective for week viewer and maybe me
cause now I see why people doesn't wanna talk about their bad or abusive memory
It is haunting even if it is a picture they choose to remember
and it will always be like that as long as the boy think it was like that

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I second that ara, in order to be cure I think we have to deal with the bad memories, face it and then overcome it to be better

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T.T
I did my best not to cry in this one!!!
But I still did.
Do Hyun!!!!
You PROMISED to overcome this together!
What happened to that?.lol
I'm sorry I was just carried away.
Although were all heartbroken with this Episode, I think my love for this show is so very big that I can forgive what happened here.
I trust you writernim!

P.S. Thanks for the recaps purplecrow!

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Yes!!!!' Agree with you!! He promised to go through together with Rijin and then he decides to leave her!!!!

I'm also putting my faith in writer nim that she will make it all better in the last two weeks. ಥ_ಥ

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me too :)
4 episode to go!!!

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Chingu, just 4 more episodes left!! ><

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T.T
yeah..just 2 weeks left..
How am I supposed to live after this ends?!

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I think I wont be back to reality for awhile after this ends, am I dreaming now or what...I'm not so sure anymore..LOL

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It is so hard for me everyday as the dates draw near. The drama really live up to his name: Kill Me as the episodes end, Heal me while I watch the drama. T_____T

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yeah..funny thing is that, when DH was at the rooftop and was thinking to let go of the picture, he remembered their kiss and Ri Jin saying "I'll do it with you."
Lol, DH...

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I waited for this review but felt that people are jumping to conclusions too soon here. The show deals with child abuse and DID. I don't see how they could make this episode funny. More than noble idiocy, the extent of child abuse indicated in this episode was heartbreaking and horrific for me to watch. This was a heavy episode but the truth was going to be dark, DID happens when your mind can't process the pain anymore. This was coming. And since a lot of people have not watched episode 16, I take it so I would just say this, this is not your garden variety Korean drama noble idiocy/separation. If you watch 16, it'll make sense and Ri-Jin is a strong character. She likes making her own decisions and I doubt she'll let others dictate her life.

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True, it would be doing the subject matter a disservice by trying to make it funny. It is true that Yona or perry always lightened things up, but this needed to be processed my Dohyun himself. That fact that he held on without any of his alters appearing shows his character strength and growth. I would have been dissatisfied if that hadn't happened.

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I will find it hard id they didn't do this episode
I don't like when a shoe make a heavy things the victim feel as funny thing or just light things

the flashback quite a lot, but then it is haunting that much for making a DID
DID is strange but painful, so I am the one that 100% all the way of this love,
have a decision for leaving is just acceptable, he can't even make a way for his own past, how he can make a way for other's past that related to his,

like I said
IT IS A HAPPY DRAMA but don't forget IT IS A SAD STORY to begin with

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--IT IS A HAPPY DRAMA but don’t forget IT IS A SAD STORY to begin with--

so agree with you here, if there's no sad story, the happiness at the end will feel kinda empty

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@purplecow don't be so strict :) it is challenging (to say the least) to make a light, funny episode while unravelling (finally, as you've said a few times) child abuse. I would be hard pressed to make a joke about it, and it'd be black humour. Oh ri on is worried sick seeing ri jin's scary childhood trauma surfacing, and the kidnapping didnt help either to reassure him about the contact with 'the son of seiyin group' being a harmless pastime. Mom, seeing ri jin's turmoil has a hard time herself, and ri jin, our bright sunshine is fighting the shadows of days long past. So the guys we're usually relying to supply us with comic relief are out & all who remains is CDY (sorry, let me apologise again, mea maxima culpa) and the rest of the chaebol family, who are being their usual charming selves... but dont fret, I am sure ri jin wont be gloomy for long!

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Yeah..
I agree with you on that because we all did watched this drama knowing it's darker premise than the others.
We're talking about DID here and that would never become a result if the childhood trauma is bearable.

I know some are disappointed for not having the light moments with the alters but we should all notice that the absence of the alters in this episode means that Do Hyun is now able to manage his emotions and fears without the help of the alters. He is now in the healing process.

I know the atmosphere with the last two episodes we watched are both melancholic so I think we might be back on track with a pretty much lighter one this week :)

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lol, I agree. Tho I like that CDY is on his way to healing and unifyin' it is also saddens me that we wont see se gi (minus his hairstyle, lol) and our valkyrie in the cute pijamas :'(

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"I know some are disappointed for not having the light moments with the alters but we should all notice that the absence of the alters in this episode means that Do Hyun is now able to manage his emotions and fears without the help of the alters. He is now in the healing process."

I wanted to hug the writer for actually writing these scenes especially in Do Hyun's confession and Rion's wall fight that alters did not come out to play because Do Hyun is being so strong now even though I did miss Segi. I felt so good when he is resisting from going to his comfort zone to cope with sadness and pain and face them heads on.

maybe I'm just alittle disappointed that they used the normal K drama angsty routine to resolve it (even though it is understandable on Do Hyun's point of view). Or Im having too much expectations. :/

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...but I completely agree that sending ri ji away is completely illogical. The geenie is out, ri jin's identity is revealed to all parties.
And now, when she is also vulnerable and she also needs his support (she intends to reveal their memories together, relying on each other according to the promise they made in her basement recently)
Yes, I agree, his decision is an insult to her intelligence and their link... I thought they'd be true soulmates by now, and behold, we're going thru the ususl kdrama steps...

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Thanks so much, purplecow! Been refreshing for ages, waiting for this! (your 'pull the plug' was hilarious - even though I know I shouldn't laugh...)

I generally agree that this episode was slower and more heavily padded with flashbacks than usual. But I couldn't get enough! (and if it buys the cast/crew a bit more time to sleep/eat/edit, then I don't mind)

It was definitely Ri On's moment to shine this ep, and the bromance was great (even if their joint Noble Idiot endeavour is misguided).

(Despite what happens in Ep 16), I feel like Cha Do Hyun's recovery is now assured, and the integration of his personalities will definitely happen. I just hope Ri Jin doesn't develop DID as well.

Who it was exactly that was in the basement with Ri Jin when they were children - was it Cha Do Hyun or Shin Se Gi? Ri Jin was "not in Cha-gun's memories", so he must have passed over those memories to Se Gi . But the child that Ri Jin remembers definitely seems to be Cha Do Hyun, rather than Se Gi.

Meanwhile, here's some fanvids from the creative folks over at the Talking Cupboard to lighten the mood (all credits to them):
https://thetalkingcupboard.wordpress.com/2015/02/22/kill-me-heal-me-parodies-galore/#more-20273.

(From what I've seen of the videos, they only have spoilers up until Ep 14 - but don't quote me on that!)

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LOL. I WATCHED THEM. THE MAKJANG VERSION MADE ME LAUGHED HYSTERICALLY.

My favourite is the Perry Park & Secretary Ahn. The editing skills is too awesome and the creator managed to squeeze all the good scenes and linked them all into a movie trailer is genius.

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Hahaha! Those MVs are always a breath of fresh air. Takes the edge away from waiting for the next wednesday ;)
Great editing skills and song choices.

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FIFTY SHADES OF SEGI! That.is.intense.

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Oh, thanks for posting! Those are so entertaining and so well done.

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@beebeeshing: yes, love how the makjang one started at "Episode 77"! I just wish we had 77 episodes of KMHM... but maybe that's too much of a good thing!

One of the vids even managed to make a funny moment between Secretary Ahn and monster Chairwoman!

These will have to keep me going until Ep 17.

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I also had a strong initially negative reaction to episode 15 it even made me hesitate in watching 16. However I then watched 16 and realized why 15 happened, plus the end of 16 just plain makes up for it.

As this is for 15 and not 16 I'll stop here.

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Idk i dont agree with your sentiment on noble idiocy.
Fror one thing, Rijin hasnt specifically stated that she wanted to find her memories for herself. its because of Dohyun.
and because Dohyun knows what happened and knows that it is very painful, i can see why he would take that route. Why mess someones happy life up, just because they are trying to help you?

Also if Rijin wanted to find her memories, she wouldnt have gone along with the Oh family.
Rijin can definitely handle herself, and if she wants to find out nothing will stop her.

Flashbacks can be too much, especially if you rewatch the episodes and such, but I like them. They could tone it down a bit but pretty sure they are live filming so close to the airdate so i understand.

As for the seriousness and sadness tone regarding this weeks episodes... well all I can say is I expected it?

This is a drama dealing with DID, abuse and such. the truth isnt pretty.
Plus its almost the end, so yea... lol

It was a sad episode indeed especially since i became very invested in the characters. Cried a lot tbh

Thanks for recapping~

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This episode should have been titled "The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions". So, so dark.

Like almost every other Kdrama ever written, we know that the answers everyone seeks are within reach if only the principles would share all the information they are privy to, and stop trying to protect the people that they love.

I rather like the dichotomy shown between the people hiding the truth out of love, and those hiding the truth out of greed and narcissism. It remains to be seen which is more damaging.

I like that the character of Ri-on is being shown as much more complex. He's not entirely good, nor is he bad. He's negotiating his way around carefully, protecting his feelings, and his emotional investment in his "sister"; simultaneously playing the part of the protective brother and the jealous suitor. It will be interesting to see if Cha Do-huyn can resist being manipulated by him.

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The problem is when protectiveness is becaming suffocating for the person protected.
Oh Ri On is very close of keeping ri jin in the basement to protect her from the harsh outside world for her own good and to maintain her on stasis.
And yes, he knows cdy's weak points and hits them quite precisely and mercilessly.

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still I don't think it is wrong at all
He is shame of it but he can't torn his family aside
while he can't let it go

it is not a decision makes by desperate brother to keep their family, no need to pursue danger and that is a rational decision that sometimes I hope Kdrama will do

not just merely wanted to have the girl in his side because he can make her more happy
it is more likely to respect what his family has achieve all this time

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edit : it is a decision makes by desperate brother to keep their family, no need to pursue danger and that is a rational decision that sometimes I hope Kdrama will do

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I get what you mean. Oh ri on was always her last line of defense, the one she'd run to ask support in the time of need. Her adoptive family is simply wonderful and it's their accomplishment and triumph that she grow up ad an independent and cheerful person. And as I wrote earlier, he is worried sick, and he has some idea about the danger being real. So his first priority is protecting her, by any means necessary, even from herself, for her own good... which is the wrong approach to take, underestimating her strength and preservance. For her brother causing her to feel as if she is uneeded, discarded by cdy, practically cutting her wings I blame oh ri on.

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my POV is higly influenced by being big sister in asian family

so for me, it is not wise on term of story, but a heart can't do that, there's no way I let my little sis/bro get hurt from things we can avoid and just bring more harm to the future , while we as someone who knew just barely scratch half of it

like I said, it is more likely to respect what his family has achieve all this time,

if she is the one who remember and ask, and he stop that to happen, that is cutting her wing

if she never wanted to fly, I will guide her by walking when fly now will take her down by gravity,

sorry If sometimes I really think about this kind of story,

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@vie Except she is a capable, responbsible adult, who made her decision responsibly. It wasnt a whim of a teen girl who falls in love with the misunderstood bad boy of the neighborhood who ocassionally takes meth. Restricting her and making her decisions for her instead of giving her the info that concerns her will only cause conflict and will isolate her from her family, exactly at the moment when she needs them the most.
In addition it would feel as if there is indeed something wrong with her if cdy dropped her like a hot potato and her brother became her tight-lipped jailor, trying to keep her behind a screen, as if she was some delicate flower dreaming in a red chamber...

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@wildfly

I think what she stated is ri jin is strong
But more likely not capable on handling this memory
Why?
1. She choose to forget it because she cant handle it
Even now, without do hyun come back she'll never regain it cause her subconscius already block it, do hyun trigger the memory
2. Ri on is the one that witnesa her nightmare and cope up with a story to help her all this time, its work and she knew not all of that is true then she still believe on rion story, she cant handle that particular memory
3. That memory will give more question to answer they didnt find the truth, why she is in his family? Why they treated me like that? Where is my biological family? Is that why you looking for me?
4. Do hyum just knew recently it was her, the context is different, it's not just about him but also her,
Then did she wants to feel the pain? Did she need to know because it was the truth? Did she can remembet that even they tolld them?
5. How they supposed to said?
I am sorry cause my family abuse you instead of me for my mistake when we are a child, so i hope you will still help me to heal my DID
And my mom is the onw who kidnapp you, that also why you afraid ofbasement

How is that gonna solve the problem, that same meory haunted do hyun and little by lite already cover by oh family throughout the time
She suppose to accept that without having mental breakdown and bei g detecctive to her bad memory that oh family manage to handle

Rion said, look at her before and now, it will ripped her heart, give her pain when it doesn't have to,
Like when someone intentionally just teminding about your traumatic experience you finally manage to close

The point is ri jin is capable woman but her memory is cover by warmth of oh family and her subconcius to let it burri
She already has a good life, so why we need to make her suffer
Plot wise it hard and lookwd bad as viewer but charavter wise is fair

Ri on and do hyun knew that it will worsen the situation, cause do hyun need to find the truth and will rion or dohyun let rijin get hurt in the process because she doing nothing in this memory part
How can you break someone heart when they open your heart

It is diff if she ask and already suffer a lot about the memory, already ttyi g to remember it by any mean and they just blocked her effort
Here they didn't knew what better to do other than let her life her happy life that earn by years and years of support and love by oh family
Not to just crush because we want her help on my own problem
It is all about him and never about her before, but now is it justice tp remind someone the horrifying memory ?
The cha family need to manage 1st, the truth need to revealed
And let her being happy

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@ara good arguments. True, it wasn't her initiative, and she does it selflessly, to help someone she loves and it may potentially harm her and distance her from her family bringing pain to everyone concerned. But the thing is, she is selfless. She loves people cuz she grow up in a loving family and she has much to give. And she knows what pain is and feel when others suffer and can help. That's why she is so good a psychologist. Prof. Chipmunk said she even overdoes it. So yeah. But still if I had to choose between bad dreams and echoes and dark shadows in my past, numbing terror if I see fire...or overcoming dark memories with my soulmate, I know what'd choose. Especially her, for her living fully and helping people is the same. We all have different ways to express ourselves, she is a healer. So dont lock her up again, pls

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@Wildfly
I think that in here, causing Ri Jin to remember childhood abuse could truly hurt her unnecessarily,
and I see why it’s complicated, that's why I agree with Dohyun and Ri-On remembering how she more likely can't let him go (don't have courage to break up) so he must be the one who initiated

But what sell the deal is whether DH and RO give the info/affirmation if RJ asks.
so I think they don't lock her up, but they let her loose, loose from chance to regain that memory involuntarily when meeting do-hyun, let her back to where she were and choose to face it even if she is living happily, that is her right and her time to choose

I do like the way do hyun said If she ask why it was her, told her it was not her fault and she has all the right to be loved
and when Ri-On said think about her before and now
the scene told that they actually care, anticipating her comeback, and there's an effort to help her facing her difficult times

it's funny though. cause I just maybe watch for 2 times since I am so busy this week but still find what they mean if I think about it
i wanna said sorry cause I do lot of typo since I type on phone and in my spare time yesterday. --_--
they really get all my attention when I watch ^^

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@ara I am not sure she never was curious. But she is not really self-centered and e en if she remembered the day she joined the family she knew it would hurt them if she'd ask questions, so all these years she was quiet. Also she was grateful. Youve seen the ecpression of her mom 'you want to ask questions about your mom?' (C'mon girl, break my heart, step on it) and she was like 'uhm, ok, mom, later'.
And she is a professional. If she cant confront her childhood trauma, can she ask her patients to do so? If her life is decided by male relatives?

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Plenty of twist..first twist, Dohyun being legitimate son (atleast for me because it seemed he was hated by all, maybe it was done to confuse us to think so), second twist.. Rijin is adopted (drama made us think Rion as adoptee till this episode.. I kept thinking how Rijin & Dohyun's childhood connected when Rion should be the one).. then BAM yet another twist..Wait for the next episode

This drama really makes you exercise your brain while you wait for another episode.. & no matter how much you think you know the plot always takes an unseen twist..
love how closely every plot is woven..simply love this drama

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I kinda loved this episode, and I kinda didn't...noble idiocy aside, I was waiting for the laughs. I mean, even the moment when Yo Sub was looking to commit suicide had some freaking humour interjected into it. And whilst I don't mind this level of angst, I wouldn't want it crushing the comedic gold this drama reeled me in for! Come one show, lighten up!!

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It's difficult (=impossible) to please every single viewer.
I think this episode was DoHyun's gathering all the pieces he could to fix his own puzzle. In here he got rid of Shin SeKi by absorbing his memories, still DoHyun could do with a bit of the hot head/decisive personna.
What got me mad at the show was the promise of 7 personnalities! So far we only met 5 and know of a 6th. When do we get to meet Nana and Mr X? The way I see it, DoHyun created Nana out of the guilt of not being able to save RiJin. Nana is the memory he has of child RiJin (the origin of his DID), a way to preserve the happy and innocent kid from the cruel and ugly big world as well as his own innocence. I understand the need for Perry Park, YoSob and Yona But what about Mr X? Who is he, What is he like? and most of all WHEN does he make his entrance in the show??!!!

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LOL YES. I've been waiting for Mr X since forever. I can understand why Nana is never a person but Mr X is taking his own sweet time to come. I hope writer nim wouldn't drop this personality at all. :D

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LOL right? No Mr X in the 16 first episodes and only 4 more to go. Does writer nim plan to keep Mr X for an epilogue...? Or is he just waiting for dad's wake up? Well now there isn't a Shin-gun to rage at dad so maybe Mr X will deal with the issue? Or Perry Park can go to the kitchen and cook us up some bombs? :D

Anyway two full episodes on DID without a single alternate personality thats foul play show! XP

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I hope Writer nim don't. I would be thoroughly disappointed because the drama should deliver what it promised - 7 personalities. I was thinking that the dialogue between Segi and Joonpyo's scenes is actually Mr X in making. But who knows? We still have another 4 eps to go.

LOL. IT IS. But then the drama has gone to Heal Me phrase long ago... so it is not consider as foul play... even though I missed all 5 of them badly. :(

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Mr. X may be the integrated self (that includes aspects of all the alters). This theory has been discussed before, and most likely will be discussed much more in the ep. 16 thread.

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General question towards the miniseries: I have only seen the first two episodes so far, but because of several rave reviews this keeps getting, I was wondering:

Does the show stabilises after the first few episodes? I didn't feel very well with the mashup up of genres and tones:
- slapstick violence
- madcap comedy psychiatry
- shallow / comic book characterisations
- superficial "dramatic" scenes

Does this get better?

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Yes, it does. It gets better every single episode. The most magical thing about this drama is that all these themes goes well together as you watched.

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yeah...it better and better.... and enjoy the ride and have fun

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Some people can't stand the slapstick and screeching (I'm not included). The first 2 episodes are indeed rough and sometimes cringeworthy, but seriously, after episode 3 or 4 it does get better and better and better. The humors are unpredictable. My personal favorite is episode 11. It'll get darker a bit after that but there's still humor, while this episode has nothing to smile about. Sometimes it can be boring, but the twists are really worth it.

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I'm not against slapstick. I'm not against comic book. I'm not against melodrama. It's just that it feels like the drama itself has a dissociative identity disorder, as the genre and tone changes from one scene to the next without any predictable clue. It's difficult for me to build up a connection with the show that way.

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Ah, I see. Well I don't know how to explain it, but for me, the shifting from comedy to angst/mystery is smooth and that was what hooked me. Sometimes when there is sad scene, unpredictable humor comes up, trying to lighten things up. It's a romcom, but it also gives serious attention to CDH's illness (and becomes melodrama for the past 2 episodes).
I personally love the unpredictable shifts, as I really have no idea what's coming next.

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Thank you for the elaboration, I think that answers my questions. I guess I will skip it then.

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NOOOOOO~ @Jon.G

The random themes in the first two eps did confuse me a little but it fits in the 7 personalities theme. all these randomness are actually necessary for the drama.

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@Jon G.
You're very welcome. It sure has flaws here and there, and it cannot fit in to everyone's taste, but you can always watch it for Ji Sung's performance. One of a kind.

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@Beebeeshing @Jon G.
I actually want to say "NOOOO~" too but I think it's about taste. It's the first time I've got so attached to a drama since LG from last year. It really (like, REALLY) worths a try. I myself start to fall in love with this one from episode 4 & now I'm glad I didn't skip this one.

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Well, okay, I will take eps 3 and 4 on a business trip tomorrow, I'll spend 3 hours on the train anyway.

Let's see, if I am able to adapt to the inconsistent tones, or the show gains some other redeeming qualities (like there starts to be a plot, or likable characters, or something), i still might give it a shot.

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@Daehoney

Yeah! I understand everyone have their own drama's preference but this drama is definitely worth another try before anyone decides to drop it. I wanted to watch it after it finish but I'm so glad that I din't. If not, I won't be here commenting already. :D

@Jon.G

YEAAAAA~~~~ yes! Give it another shot before you decide to drop it! It won't disappoint you at all. :D

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because it suppose to be 2 ep each week,
I mean it is enjoyable for it own self
and It just have all the things I need to just enjoy the drama, think about mental health, laughing, or just see lovely OTP
thinking about silly think

it has mixing it up but there's a connection

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trust me it gets better with every new episode the drama is really awesome

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okay let's just talk about the noble idiocy things, hope you can bear it, but this is my 2cent
examples : main protagonists – foregoing what appears to be the easy and obvious road to love and happiness and instead choosing to take the difficult path, often of separation from those they love

when fans want to see the OTP always together no matter what obstacles their situation forces them to face, after they fall in love

but then... is that any easy way out in KMHM context?
“noble idiot” assumes that they are ensuring happiness, when in fact inflicting more pain
but there is called pragmatic altruist with clear desire to minimize the suffering their beneficiaries must inevitably endure under the given circumstances
(wanted to lessen the pain that bound to happen)
which implies, to achieve our personal goals, we must foster the environment in which we find ourselves,

there's no noble or pitiful in do-hyun action and he knew it too because he didn't give anything to her while she give everything to him, it's not because we/he see ri jin is strong enough but more because she forget that,
in fact she doesn't want to know it if she didn't meet him
she talked to her mom that she is not going to ask about her parents but later when she needs it.

then there's do-hyun who finally know she is inside his dark past, when her just know that she is in his memory somehow, not related to their family

Did told her will give her happiness, confuse state or merely just like an excuse for her? when he didn't knew better, she forget and her connection with him give her more potential danger

Do-hyun stated how many times he is grateful that she is happy girl that helps him through all this 3 months and now, he just give her more pain that he himself couldn't handle

It wasn't about ideal world or even being tough all the way because do-hyun is the guy that will not bring harm if he is the source of the danger, he is that guy that from the beginning will try to clean a mess by himself,
no matter how change he is now, he still can't handle pain well
he just trying to face his OWN past, not included new person that until now have a normal life.

as someone has state, he just can't take it like all the things he takes from her (her time, her soul, her pain when she is with him)
He wants her to live happily and forget him (someone when she remembers is the one that hurts her even more), in fact she more likely never remember it if she didn't meet him

he wants to give her life now

just like how se-gi constantly didn't commented ri jin question about their memory after ri-jin forget that she called him long time ago

what can you hope for his part? tell her and try to make her remember then both of them will under stress cause no one is health enough to help
told her time by time when he only has several month left and has nothing
how to face her family? he can torn them apart
this is rooted deep in Asian heritage...

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I got cut

human beings rarely, if ever, make self-depriving choices merely in order to be (considered) noble.
This is sad episode and I think it because we are uncomfortable with putting ourselves in their shoes and discovering for ourselves what drives them to do things that they believe will minimize the pain their loved ones experience even as it shatters their own hearts or our heart when we see it and they feel it.

noble idiocy is like with self sacrificing when it practically do no harm to other party, device that inserted into plot to increase the angst as a way to make audience emotionally hurt or just merely to increase ratings.
when here literally will torn her, her family and all the hardworking job the Oh family has done and being irresponsible when do-hyun himself can't handle his own pain or his family,
Totally agree that ri-jin can manage the pain then he should told her that his family abuse her?
that's the only things he knew of all, then why I am there? ask family? make the family hate do-hyun? did the family knew she was abuse?

-so many drama done that noble idiocy when a hurt separating bound to happen when you are still in love because she is better off without me and will better happy with him-
this is abusive memory that change their life literally, take that happy life just like that is not also a good things to do

saying it's noble idiocy is kind of being lack empathy for what Do-Hyun and Ri-On suffering. it wasn't all about her or being hero, it's about preserve what we have now, avoid danger and knowing more.

this is a happy drama but don't forget that It is sad story

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I only read your cut version! I like the full version too. But somehow my above comments still applies. :D

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I mean my below comments was posted after I read your cut version. >___<

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Hahah! I like your two cents. :D.

I felt a little bit disappointed for Writer nim to choose to go through this path, even though I know Do Hyun's motivation, because there is never once Do Hyun asked what Rijin wanted and give her a chance to know. He discounted how much his existence weigh in her. As contrast to Segi, he is willing to tell her if, and only if, she choose him. It made a huge difference for the OTP.

So far I didn't dislike the melo part because I do understand that DID is no joking matter in reality and I like how serious it is treated in the drama. It tears everyone apart. But I wished that Do Hyun would give her a chance in this epsiode, even if her motivation for remembering her past is Do Hyun.

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thanks, it just I just thinks it is too much to handle and to hurt her is just make him have more guilt

she better find her own interest 1st and it just in reality you can't stand near someone that literally remember you the bad past
like how some hated news about abuser/criminal that got rich or famous even thought barely knew them.

wise plot, it is her chance now :)

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I thought that it would be too much for her to handle too (Because her past is wayyyy wayyyyyy too dark than I expect). But this heroine is too special. I know she won't get over it too fast but she just not the weak heroine we always see on screen yo! :D

I can't wait for how she decide to do with her past! :D

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me cant wait too, but I believe she will do it with her bright, strong and satisfying heroine way

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and dont forget her comical, lighthearted and funny way, guess she wont disappoint us at all

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@lara4liwa:

Yes! I'm waiting for it to happen! :D

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my take on him making up his mind for her is, well that what korean guys always seem do in k-dramas once the girl is his girlfriend..ie HIS as in I make all the decisions now be a good girl and do as you are told

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-HIS as in I make all the decisions now be a good girl and do as you are told-

but then if I let her in, told her what I knew, that is just she abused in my place
I can torn her memory, her family and all the hardworking job the Oh family has done and being irresponsible when myself can’t handle my pain or my family,

He make up his mind to leave her but not make her mind

let her with me and burden my pain is selfish but leave her because I am the danger is idiotic

what he supposed to do?

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the last 2 episodes were heavy but still very good the angst showcased the OTP outstanding performance. So many well acted scenes starting from do hyun holding his tears in front of rijin at the hospital to the heart breaking talk between orion and do hyun at the end i am speechless the actors are really amazing <3

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I have a question, Ho did Se Gi know that Ri Jin was that child???? Because from the very beginning SeGi acted like he has known her for years!!!! When did he actually came to know????

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yeah, I actually wanted to ask about that
but then 10 pm just recently revealed, so maybe later?

or it just his feeling after taken down by her skill...
hmmm

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No I was thinking the sentence Se Gi said "you called me" was there any encounter before???? She might have called him that's why Se Gi made a sudden plan to come Korea ???

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Maybe when they were kids Ri Jin called for Se Gi/Do Hyun out of loneliness or fear? Perhaps that's what he meant by that phrase.

The return to Korea wasn't it because Grandma called him back? Se Gi just wanted a good life so he returned to Korea wanting to be the owner of Seungjin for his personal agenda.

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yeah, he did know from the beginning when he made the 10pm promise in ep 1. >< I'm just a little bit surprise that how did he know from the moment he saw her again.

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me too.. As far as I know, he only found out about her name and work during Episode 2.
haha..well, there are always magic in kdramas where the leads always remember each other even though so many years have passed, be it by memory or intuition.

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I have the same question.
When and how did he recognize her?

It is possible that Segi did some research on his own as SG and found her, but SG doesn't seem that sophisticated. We see he didn't know she was a psychiatry resident in ep 2.

So he just knew who she was from a long long time ago like MAGIC.

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Yup, I think it's that old K drama magic. It sort of ties in with Se Gi initially appearing to be almost superhuman, what with the incredible violet retinas, the mysteriously appearing tattoo and the mad fighting skilz. I confess I was quite relieved when he revealed his more vulnerable and childish side.

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LOL I love this superhuman thought of yours

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Thannnnnks for the recap!!

For once I disagre with your thoughts, Purplecow. I fully understand why DoHyun pushes away RiJin and for once in a lot of drama I have seen, I think it is justified.
The abuse she suffers was so strong that she prefer to erase it from her memory and DoHyun had his mind shattered in pieces. I understand why he doesn't want to"break" her life now that she has one beautiful. But him, being by her said, only bring her memories back faster (like RiOn said). It is justified if he let her live her life without her painful memories, without him. And if it happens that she recovers her memories, the choice will b her to make: to seek revenge, compensation, DoHyun...

Concernig the flashbacks, agree on the point that they are too many of them but some are important for us to apprehend how the history happened and how the characteres remember it.

Finally, I also miss a "funny" moment but in an episode (a week we can say) that is in a serious tone (because of all the revelations for us, viewer, and for the characters), how could the writers manage to insert one??

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It is funny when I read during the earlier episodes that

"Those funny scenes are just filling up those time that should've been for the revelations/plot development"

and now I read

"Where are the funny scenes/light scenes in this drama? This episode is full of heartbeak and the writer should've added at least some lighter scenes"

-well, let's just agree that not everyone could be pleased by the writer and I'm sure that he too knows what he is doing. We've already had those scenes that we laughed and loved and I think those were done to prepare us for these episodes that are really necessary to show the past/memories that are really heartbreaking to see. I love that this show not only makes us enjoy watching it but at the same time, informs us/educates us with the seriousness of DID and child abuse and that we should never take that for granted.

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second your opinion,
I knew it is hard

but like taking a class, even if you keep skipping the class or attend it,

you will face the final test and there no way out if you want the end result to be good, the hard path must be taken too

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@BlueSkly, the thing is, the show had done so well at merging the seriousness with comedic tones, that it feels somewhat of a miss to then give us two whole episodes of pure seriousness. See, by now, viewers have gotten used to the tonal shifts and look forward to being entertained by the unexpected turn around of emotions - and all this was done with forward momentum. It's why people have taken a liking to the show (well, for me at least). And whilst I still enjoyed ep15-16, it did stand out from the rest, in that it didn't hold the same characteristics. Lol hence why it's causing much debate I guess. Either way, the next two episodes should be exciting!!

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I think a lot is forget
this is a happy drama but don’t forget that it is sad story

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Nobody's forgetting that, rather, it's the balance between the happy and sad that people tune in to expect. *shrugs* It's not a big deal, I guess, but still noticeable when it deviates from the norm.

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I know this is absolutely a sad episode, but I think it is necessary. Now, let me again share the lines that I really loved even though you all have seen them and heard them countless of times:

~"If you want to die, then die. But die tomorrow.
If you feel it's hard for you tomorrow as well,
then die the day after that. If you feel the same
pain the day after that, even if you die the next day
and the day after that, it won't be too late!
If you live each day at a time like that,
then a good day will definitely come.
There will come a day where you'll tell yourself,
I did a good thing of not killing myself back then!"~
--Oh Ri Jin

~"She was the person to held out her hand to me.
♥ She was the person who noticed that our eyes were different with one glance.
♥ She was the person who asked for my name.
♥ She was the person who waited anxiously for me to come back.
♥ She was the person who made me the warmest snowman in the world.
♥ She was the person who said me the words that were more consoling than a 1000 words.
♥ She was the person who could make me happy just from looking at her. and
♥ She was the person who I can't make it up to even if I atone for the rest of my life.
One day in the far future, when time has passed a lot
and Oh Ri Jin is forgetting me, when she doesn't feel
anything even if she's thought of me, and if Oh Ri Jin
happens to be pained from her past, tell her this.
It's not because you did something wrong or because
you didn't have the right to be loved, that you were abused.
You definitely have the right to be loved.
That you shine so brightly and are so lovely that it's
only right for you to be loved. So forget about it.
So live while being loved from now on"~
--Cha Do Hyun

I love this drama to pieces! Even the dialogues and lines are so beautiful and meaningful ♥

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This is one of the dramas I find the scriptwriter really worked on the lines. Every single dialogue are neatly crafted to hint us or heal us. I love them too. That confession from Oh Ri Jin is the best. It left such a strong impression in my mind. :')

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Those lines really gets you in the heart. Add Jisung's Jungeum's acting to it and that's it. I'm a heaving mess.
Those lines said by Dohyun about how she had every right to be loved is something that can be universally applied and spread. And every person unfortunate enough to have gone through any such suffering should hear them.

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I always think the writer should write a roman LOL I love when the characters get a monologue. The lines are beautifully crafted and I just have no idea how the writer comes up with such a beautiful monologue?

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...sorry, guys, couldn't resist :D
DESDEMONA
Oh, banish me, my lord, but kill me not!

OTHELLO
Down, strumpet!

DESDEMONA
Kill me tomorrow—let me live tonight!

OTHELLO
Nay, if you strive—

DESDEMONA
But half an hour!

OTHELLO
Being done, there is no pause.

DESDEMONA
But while I say one prayer!

OTHELLO
It is too late. (he smothers her)

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She was the person to held out her hand to me.
She was the person who noticed that our eyes were different with one glance.
She was the person who asked for my name.
She was the person who waited anxiously for me to come back.
She was the person who made me the warmest snowman in the world.
She was the person who said me the words that were more consoling than a 1000 words.
She was the person who could make me happy just from looking at her...

*crying a river*

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@ Lily
Yes,...*sobs* so much pathos for Do Hyun... poor child, poor man... it was not his fault.

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This episode was so boring and I struggled to finish watching it. The quantity of flashbaks and the the depressed tone of the show made it difficult to connect to it still the 16 episode was rewarding for me and I can keep my faith in this good show so people who stopped watching after ep 15 should just watch ep 16.

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The flashbacks are OK. I never thought they were supposed to be "emotional" to ME... they are clues to understand Do-Hyun emotional states but I never felt them that they were suppose to trigger MY feelings. Also we have flashbacks when Do-Hyun STARTS (which is very important for his healing) to remember them not randomly...

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Also I think people should stop to think about Kill Me Heal Me as a "comedy".

I always laugh during the appearance of the alters BUT deep down it's a tragedy.
Yes, Yoo-Na and the like are fun to watch but it is AWFUL for Do-Hyun to switch personalities and it is humiliating too ( think about what happened when he woke up after Yoo-Na bout with Ri-On).

The disappearance of the alters is good news and I wish to see Do-Hyun to laugh and have fun as himself with people he loves.

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Agree :)
It has been a dark premise all along and we should never take it lightly. But thanks for the writer and director for giving us those funny scenes to look back on whenever we are down after watching the scenes that are heartbreaking.
I believe that the flashback scenes are what really is in reality. People who suffer from abuse or traumatic experiences continue to see those flashbacks in real life and they are in no way controllable. They come as pieces or as a whole sometimes.
Some may think that flashbacks are shown too much because they are not that familiar with how it really is seen in a mind of an abused one.

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so agree with you here

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"Are you even human?!"
~DH to his mom

Someone erase that question mark right there^!!!
And change the line to, "You are a monster!"..lol.

He doesn't belong to that family of monsters. I miss the times he's at the Oh Residence.

And by the way, I think it's time for the Oh's to know that the guy they thought was Perry Park, was DH(JS) all this time. I don't know what they would think of him now. But the fire incident is really something that is connected to them and they might bring light to that matter if this happens.

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Well, I'm not still loving this show. This episode was hard, hard, nearly impossibly hard to sit through.

Not going to post a spoiler about #16, but if #17 doesn't get better (and back to the tone of the beginning of the drama) I'm going to dump it. And not because of the actors--they can only do what's written for them. And the writing is stupid.

I'm going to abandon this woman I care for so much--because I'm too stupid to see that is the most dangerous thing I can do.

Purplecow--you said EVERY WORD I'm feeling.

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Then why, on Earth, do you watch it? Just to be able to come here and trash it?

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That's why I posted here, in #49 and didn't add on to all the "I love it" posts at the beginning. I was being POLITE! (What I can't have an opposing view?)

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I'm just surprise that after 16 episodes of a show that you do not love you're still watching it?!?!?!

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You saw 16 and still you think this noble idiocy was a result of Ri-On and Do-Hyun trying to protect Ri-Jin. Ri-Jin didn't ask to know the truth, her mother offered her the truth but she refused at the moment. Do you watch the show or just read recaps?? Very few people talk about dumping a show after sitting through 16 episodes or in your case suffering through them. No pun intended, that is a serious question. This show was never intended to be an out and out comedy??

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I stand by my opinion that #15 and #16 were difficult to watch. And no, I don't read the recaps until after I watch the show. Can I not echo the opinion of the recapper? Can I not wish the writing was different? I didn't reply to any of the "I love this show or the +'s at the beginning of this thread because I thought it would be rude to disagree with someone's valid feelings. And I take very seriously the "No SPOILER" rule--because I dislike it when people casually post a spoiler without warning. But yes, I have watched both 15 and 16 and I think they were painfully slow. I'm not watching many dramas at this time--because of garbage that is happening in my real life. I thought dramabeans would be a "safe" place to express my dissatisfaction in a drama I followed, but was unhappy with the latest episodes. I guess not. I guess we just disagree. Which is fine. Just because I can't understand why (for instance) History of a Salaryman, King of Ratings, or even The Healer didn't get higher ratings doesn't mean everybody feels the same way. People don't always see things (or dramas) the same way we see them.

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I wasn't trying to attack you. Its just very few people watch upto 16 episodes of a drama and drop, its not something I've seen people doing a lot. Most drop it after 4. I guess there are exceptions. As for Healer, the rating weren't bad. It was 2nd in its time-slot throughout most of its run. It was up against Pride and Prejudice and then Punch. This is what happens when there are multiple good shows running at the same time.

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It is okay if you don't like the drama like we do! I see your responses so far were pretty constructive and I agree with you that the rhythmic of the storytelling is much slower as compared to the previous 14 eps. Except that it isn't so painful for me to watch because I know the seriousness is kicking in soon and probably because I actually like how they execute it. I really do appreciate you for the "no spoiler" rule because the rule is also super tough on me. So hard to follow sometimes!! ヽ(;▽;)ノ But maybe you can give us more details why you don't like it (or you don't like the flaws) in the first comment so that it will be less misunderstood. :/

But I think the drama worth another try because I think writer nim actually secretly reading our comments and redeem the character in the next episode or future episode. She never fails to deliver it. :D

I also had dramas that i find them so underrated so, I sort of understand it is quite frustrating why some people may hate what my taste in dramas. ( ̄^ ̄)ゞ

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hm. a valid point, but dont forget CDY is damaged goods.
he wasn't so fortunate to grow up in a healing environment, quite the opposite. instead he has a deeply cultivated (by dad dearest)sense of guilt and spent most of his life avoiding commitments and people. so when oh ri on says to him 'look at my sis before and after' then, well... no wonder he's like 'hello, guilt, my only friend and companion...'
cowardice? hard to say what i'd do if my family had fucked me up so thoroughly...
and about the a**10angst... we all miss the farce, but it's really problematic to squash it in into ep 15-16
as now he is (alas!) healing. which is logical. and essential. *sigh* yo na... *sniff* perry... *hankie in the wind* yo sub *best emo parody :,,( * and se gi * can we go crazy together rampaging thru the night streets? just once, then farewell *
so all that remains is now-less-repressed socially responsible cute-puppy [cdy]. fine. they can surprise us still with X... only it's a k-drama,
he wont be too dashing-slashing in 17-20 i sppose, but a
a real man a femme can rely upon.
oh well...
never liked the endings.

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I think I'm on the other side of the fence here, since the start of the drama left me very iffy on it and it's only gathered steam since. But! Differing opinions are what make discussions interesting, so bring it on.

I've really enjoyed the writing here, and actually saw this as a departure from the usual k-drama woman-abandoning idiocy: Do Hyun and Ri On both think Ri Jin doesn't really want to know the details of her past, so they're going to limit her accidental exposure. When you add into that Do Hyun's natural guilt and Ri On's sibling protectiveness, they err on the side of a little too protective - but I think the real test would be if Ri Jin were to tell one of them that she alone wanted to know about her past, they'd help her. So it's not so much they're treating her like a delicate idiot, but that they're waiting for her to say "tell me".

I'm not sure how dangerous it is for Do Hyun to break it off with Ri Jin, given that he and Ri On have basically shared information at this point. And telling Ri Jin exactly what's going on requires exposing the whole backstory...

Sometimes I genuinely don't get why a guy does something stupid. But here, when causing Ri Jin to remember childhood abuse could truly hurt her unnecessarily, I see why it's complicated.

But as I said: the acid test is whether DH and RO spill all the info if RJ asks.

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Thanks for the recap and your thoughts.
I think this week's episodes were "the other shoe" that we were waiting for. No way around sadness when we are talking about abuse.

I do agree that NOT telling her for her own good is bullshit, but that is how it always goes, and the girl always comes back and shows strength despite their "protection." It could be they are trying to fill up 60 mins of plot. It could be they are trying to dramatically prove how strong women are (Really? Still?), it could be they just can't help themselves because it is so engrained into the K-drama arc. I would have preferred it not to happen.

That being said, this episode crushed me and I cried throughout. It worked for me on all levels. I just love the show and am a fan more than a person watching critically because I am in lurrrve.

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Me too :)
#deeplymadlytruly in love with this drama
And I think most of us are expecting an episode like this one especially because they are hinting about giving light to the dark and painful past in the last episodes. And DID is no laughing matter and should be handled seriously as well as what really triggered it which is abuse.

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