The Lonely Shining Goblin: Episode 8
by javabeans
Aha, time for answers to some major questions, some of which we’ve suspected all along and others that are fresher, as well as the opening up of brand-new questions. It’s an interesting conundrum to witness love deepening in a world where love may not, in fact, conquer all (or even very much at all). And yet, everybody has the right to want love for themselves and protect it, whether human or god. If only there weren’t a god hierarchy that put the meanest ones at the top.
EPISODE 8 RECAP
Shin flings Eun-tak away before she can pull out the sword, then catches her before she rams into a truck. He’s hit by the realization that he’s hesitating to end his immortal life because of Eun-tak, a weighty moment set against a comically inappropriate fireball as traffic turns into wreckage behind them.
Eun-tak is badly shaken by the experience, and goes limp in his arms. Shin takes her back to the house, and it isn’t till she’s back in her bed that she comes back to herself and asks if he’s okay. He says that’s a question that ought to be reversed, but she shrugs it off and says he didn’t know either how much it would hurt, thinking he threw her aside because the act of pulling out the sword was so excruciating.
She’s happy to have proof that the sword is movable, though, and that she’s the true bride. His reaction is more muted, so she asks if that’s not a good thing. Shin manages a smile and tells her that it is.
While Deok-hwa waits for Shin to come home so he can hand-deliver the old scroll (of the queen), he idly looks up the news and sees footage of that multi-vehicle massacre in the street. When Shin joins him in the living room, Deok-hwa asks if that was his doing. Shin just tells him to clean it up, and that he’s too tired to explain.
Deok-hwa gets on the phone to his grandfather and Secretary Kim to alert them to the mess needing cleanup, and has to insist repeatedly that it’s Shin’s doing, not his. Well, you can’t blame them for assuming…
Secretary Kim assembles a team to take down every video on the internet related to the accident. Deok-hwa goes to the scene directly to deal with the witnesses, armed with a huge suitcase and one reluctant Reaper. He directs people with damaged vehicles to line up next to him, and directs those with damaged psyches (from witnessing the scene) over to Reaper, heh.
Reaper wipes each witness’s memory and replaces them with the idea that the cars were wrecked in a “gust of wind” and the money was merely “a windfall dropped from the skies.” Hilariously, his recitation gets faster and more halfhearted the more times he has to repeat it. Deok-hwa, meanwhile, hands out literal stacks of cash.
The last phase of cleanup requires wiping video files from the system, which turns out to be rather easy when you have a walking, talking, memory-wiping aide right on hand.
Back at home, Deok-hwa informs Shin of how much work they had to do because of him. Shin wearily thanks them, which Reaper wearily declines, saying that he doesn’t have the energy right now to fight with him. Shin tells him he’s even more tired, and it looks like they’re about to start another pissing contest, but Shin ends up abandoning the conversation.
Lying in bed, Eun-tak replays the moment of being flung into the air and saved by Shin. She cradles her goblin plushy toy (named Mr. Buckwheat) and says happily, “We don’t have to move out now. I’m confirmed as the real bride.”
She belatedly realizes she’s sore all over and sticks medicated patches all over, just as a crash sounds outside. She finds Shin slumped on the ground and Reaper cleaning up broken dishes, and worries that he’s dead.
Reaper says that he’s just medicated and leaves him there to sleep it off. Eun-tak suggests he might help carry Shin, but Reaper just tells her good luck with that.
Eun-tak crouches next to Shin and asks why he’s taking medication: “Are you still in pain?”
Reaper glimpses Shin’s door ajar, and can’t resist going back for another look at the painting of the queen, wondering who she is to stir such deep feelings. Dramatic-irony cut takes us to Sunny, who drinks alone in her empty shop, watching people pass by, telling herself she’ll go home when she counts fifty of them.
Eun-tak ends up sitting with Shin on the ground, lighting a whole display of candles around him. She catches herself before blowing out the match, shaking it out instead, and tucks a blanket around him. She carefully places a pillow under his head and checks their respective temperatures, noting no fever, then lies down to watch him sleep.
She wryly comments on him falling unconscious so randomly, and then Shin replies, eyes still closed, “Because I’m sick.” He admits he was lying earlier when he said he was fine, and she reaches out to pat his hair, telling him to get better.
He tells her that she doesn’t know what’s paining him, and when she asks what it is, he replies, “First love hurts a lot.” Thinking he means someone from his past, Eun-tak gets pettish, saying she must have been really pretty. Shin says, “Very much… every day… it hurts.”
Annoyed, Eun-tak tells him to rest up, patting his arm extra hard, telling him that’s not something you say to your bride. “If you look hard, you can see where she’s pretty,” Shin says. “So don’t go.”
We return to Subway, because Deok-hwa’s price for a bribe is apparently a five-dollar footlong. Eun-tak presents him with her notebook of hanja copied from Shin’s journal, asking him to make sense of it. Eun-tak suspects that it’s to do with Shin’s first love, and Deok-hwa confirms that it’s a love letter, confessing a sad love.
He starts to read, but Eun-tak grabs the book away, stung, not needing any further confirmation. She mutters that of course it’s possible for him to have one unforgettable person in his nine hundred years, though she doesn’t quite sound as gracious as the words.
Deok-hwa is startled to hear that Shin’s name is Kim Shin (he’s using a different one now) and that he has a sword stuck in him, and pesters her to explain. He gains her interest by mentioning a secret that only he knows.
Deok-hwa tattles to Shin about Reaper crying at the queen’s portrait, and urges him to confront Reaper about it… and then cowers behind Shin’s back when he does just that. Reaper admits that he had an extremely emotional reaction but doesn’t understand why, and asks who the woman is, feeling like he’s seen her before.
Shin replies that she’s his sister. He asks where Reaper saw her, and Reaper guesses that she may be one of his reaped souls. Shin asks if she’s been reincarnated, but Reaper has taken away too many souls to remember everyone, and says that it just feels like he’s seen her before: “I don’t have memories, only feelings. I was just incredibly sad. My heart hurt.”
Deok-hwa lights up with an idea, and suggests that Reaper is Shin’s reincarnated sister and urges Reaper to call Shin “oraboni” (brother). Ha, that gets him a swift synchronized shut-down. (But later in his room, Reaper tries to say the word, though he bails before making it all the way through.)
While out on duty, Reaper’s hoobae informs him of a scandal within their ranks: Another reaper found himself tasked with reaping his wife from a past life, so he filed her as a missing soul and they ran off together. Reaper is suddenly very interested and asks how the reaper recalled his past life. Hoobae says that nobody knows but that everybody’s envious, then sighs that the thought of what his past-life crime could be has driven him to drink lately. He wonders how severe that crime was, and whether it’s god’s consideration to have them atone by working in this way.
Reaper says that whether one recalls anything, it just all be god’s will—but what he’s curious to know is god’s intention in returning a lost memory.
Reaper heads off to usher his newest charges, a mother-daughter pair, to his teahouse. Mom tells her daughter she ordered “heaven” for her, and Reaper presents the teacup to the little girl, calling it heaven.
Eun-tak spots Shin walking down the street, and surprises him just as he’s knocking on a stranger’s door. A tired-looking man steps out, and Shin just orders him to step aside and, with a motion of the hand, sets on fire the noose hanging inside. In wish-god mode, Shin instructs the man to air out his home and hands him a sandwich (did it have to be a Subway?), telling him he’ll need it.
He stalks off all cool-like, and Eun-tak hastens to match his swagger as the rescued man looks after them in wonder. Then he’s surprised at the sudden arrival of his (estranged, it seems) young daughter, who found her way here on her own, taking a taxi driven by Samshin Grandma. The little girl is hungry, so it’s Subway to the rescue.
Eun-tak peers back to see the man embracing his daughter, and tells Shin he was a little cool today. He says that he just gave the man a sandwich: “What saved that man was not me, but his daughter.”
Then she wonders why the sword moved when it wouldn’t before, and Shin thinks back to Reaper’s comment about it requiring something stronger than the curse—perhaps true love? Going with that theory, Shin prods Eun-tak to say whatever she’s been meaning to say, wanting to hear her love declaration.
He leans in expectantly, and she says, “I know you have a lot of money, but is it okay for you to just stay home?” He insists that he’s worked before, and we see a montage of all the retail sales positions he’s held, using the same tagline each time: “It may not be immortal, but [this product] lasts a very long time!” He’s comically bad at it.
Eun-tak figures he didn’t last at the jobs because he was inadequate in some way, which has Shin huffing and puffing in denial, insisting that he’s never been called that before. Eun-tak snipes that his first love must not have told him, and he accuses her of jealousy.
Eun-tak denies it loudly, then asks if she’s from Goryeo or Joseon, and then reminds him of the old saying that first loves never come true. She storms off, telling him not to wait up for her. Shin sighs to himself that he doesn’t want that to be true about first loves not coming true.
Eun-tak runs into a familiar face at the library, who notices that the birthmark on her neck has lightened considerably. Eun-tak isn’t concerned, but the girl looks curiously bothered by it. Ah, she’s a ghost, and Eun-tak is in the habit of buying her coffee even though she can’t drink it. Passing by a mirror reveals her true appearance, bloody and ragged.
Eun-tak asks why this ghost doesn’t ask her for help the way all the others do. So the girl asks her to come to see her once in her hometown, bringing flowers, and explains how she died in a traffic accident on her way to her graduation ceremony.
That night, Reaper drops by Sunny’s cafe, and he and Eun-tak gape at each other in surprise. She’s suspicions that he’s sneaking up on her, but he says he’s just here to order chicken.
Just then, Eun-tak gets agitated to see Tae-hee oppa walking toward the shop with his baseball team. Reaper asks shrewdly if he’s interrupted their planned date, and Eun-tak stuffs his invisibility hat on Reaper’s head and orders him to wait quietly while she packs his order.
Reaper watches her greet Tae-hee oppa with narrowed eyes, then proceeds to bring home fried chicken every night for days on end. Finally, Eun-tak pulls him aside to ask why he keeps coming to the shop, and if he’s there for her boss. Reaper says he’s just going to look, and tells her that everything will be fine if Eun-tak just keeps her mouth shut about him. She retorts the same, telling him to keep his mouth shut about Tae-hee’s visits and how she’s been sneaking extra chicken in his order.
From alllll the way down the hall, Shin comes charging in to confront her, insisting that he was Tae-hee’s savior back in the day and that his baseball career is all his doing. (Reaper, meanwhile, preoccupies himself trying to figure out just how much extra chicken Tae-hee got, feeling huffy about not getting the same coupons.) Eun-tak argues that Shin didn’t make Tae-hee successful; that was through “my first love Tae-hee oppa’s own will.”
Shin tries to bribe Reaper to help with the promise of chicken coupons, but Reaper declines, saying he has his own ways. Shin is left stewing in jealousy, and makes the sky thunder with a sudden storm.
That night when Tae-hee gets home, he’s puzzled to find his old piano back in his living room, HA.
After school, Eun-tak is approached by another student, who asks how her college entrance exam went and where she’s applied. They’re both good students, and the girl worries that Eun-tak will be in direct competition. Then she asks if the ghosts say Eun-tak will get in to her schools, and Eun-tak replies that she may see them, but they don’t tell her things. The classmate points out that they’ve been in the same class for three years and are only talking now, then wishes her well on her university interviews. Eun-tak says the same.
As she makes her way to her interview, Eun-tak is reminded of Shin running with her to the entrance exam and smiles. She’s bristly again when she finds Shin waiting for her, until she realizes he’s brought her red scarf to her before her interview.
He wraps it around her neck and gives some last-minute advice not to be nervous. He asks if she’s still mad at him, and she says his scarf move has made that hard. He points out that she’s jealous (of his first love), and readily admits to liking it.
Cheer restored, Eun-tak heads off grinning and waves goodbye. As she boards her bus, a scream sounds—a woman has just been mugged by a perp who’s cycling madly away. As he bikes past, he locks eyes with Shin, and now we’re in his mind’s eye, seeing the man’s future: A short while later, the thief crashes into a vendor’s table and falls into the road, right into oncoming traffic.
A taxi plows into the cyclist and skids in the road, causing multiple cars to crash into it. A bus swerves madly to avoid it, and ends up crashing into another car instead. And then, in case that weren’t enough, the bus comes directly in the line of a Truck of Doom, and gets T-boned. Uh, you sure are being spendy with that budget, yeah? Let’s hope all those sandwiches paid for all your cars.
When everything comes to a halt, the street looks like something out of a war zone, or maybe Romantic Doctor Teacher Kim. The bus is a particularly dire scene, with bloody bodies thrown on top of each other, everybody fatally wounded. Is this Eun-tak’s bus? Is she in there too?
We return to the present moment, about fifteen minutes before the accident, and Shin wonders why Eun-tak is in the bus when she isn’t in his premonition.
On the bus, a boy says that if he messes up this interview, his mother will kill him, and wishes for a car accident instead. His friend tells him to cut out the morbid talk, while nearby, Eun-tak smiles down at a baby in her mother’s arms.
Nearby, an army of reapers stands by, waiting to do their duty. Reaper’s mustachioed hoobae complains when the upstanding hoobae brings Reaper a coffee (oy, it’s hard describing them when nobody has names!). Reaper states that he specifically ordered Hoobae not to get Mustache coffee, still peevish about being stuck with that dinner bill the other night.
There are so many scheduled deaths that they’ve called in other departments, and Reaper is assigned multiple souls. He flips through his stack of death cards, noting the mother and daughter pair, and figures he’ll have to prepare more heaven for them.
But Shin swings into action, using his door-portal ability to shortcut himself to the street vendor and advise him to quit early today. The man protests, but Shin offers to buy all his merchandise (piles and piles of socks), trying to hurry him along—he’s only got a few minutes until the accident.
Then as the thief bikes toward him, Shin kicks him over early, sending him falling onto the sidewalk rather than in the street.
The thief recognizes Shin from the bus stop and accuses him of following him, while Shin just sends the man’s bike floating into the air and crashing down before his eyes.
Shin holds up a stack of wallets the man has stolen, tossing them to him one by one as he lists the cash amounts. He adds that the man nearly took multiple lives just for that cash, and cites the series of unfortunate events that will befall the latest victim, including breaking a bone and going to work anyway because she can’t afford the lost pay.
The thief brandishes a switchblade at Shin, demanding to know who he is. Shin says it’s a pity to let him live, but that he’ll consider it a side effect. He warns the man not to consider himself off the hook for his crimes, saying that he’ll have to suffer the punishment even after death.
“Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth—that is my way,” Shin says grimly. “It will hurt a bit. Deal with it.”
Suddenly, the man’s hand twists and breaks, and he clutches it in agony. The bus passes by, unharmed.
Over at his station, Reaper and his colleagues get ready as the bus rolls in, anticipating an accident any second now. As the bus pauses, Eun-tak recognizes Reaper and waves at him, and he waves back without really thinking about it.
Hoobae gapes that a human can see them, just as Reaper is struck with alarm for a different reason: Eun-tak is on the bus, but she’s not on their death roster. The others wonder what that means, but Reaper announces that there’ll be no accident today.
Reaper has guessed what happened, and looks across the way and locks eyes with Shin. The other reapers are at a loss, never having experienced anything like this before, and ask what to do. Hoobae marvels that miracles do really happen, while Mustache complains that the paperwork required for this many missing souls will be massive.
Shin appears right behind the reapers, who startle at seeing a goblin. He pulls Reaper aside, and they relocate to the teahouse, where Reaper accuses Shin of meddling in human life-and-death affairs, and Shin is just as upset that Eun-tak almost died and Reaper didn’t tell him about it.
Reaper starts to say that her death would just be her fate, but Shin cuts him off to say, “The only thing I can’t do anything about is my death. Shall I try interfering in every human’s life and death in this world, because of her?” It’s a big threat, but doesn’t quite sound empty.
Then Shin comes back to the issue of the accident, feeling that something’s off about it. He saw the scene several days ago when he first saw the thief, and Eun-tak wasn’t in it. Moreover, he saw Eun-tak alive in ten years, and yet she would have died in the bus.
Reaper answers that it’s merely because it wasn’t her fate, since she had a goblin boyfriend who would change it for her. He adds through clenched teeth that thanks to him, he’ll be buried in paperwork.
Reaper adds the jab about Shin just returning to nothingness, but is surprised to see Shin so serious at his jibe. Shin replies, “It’s because I wonder what it means to return to nothingness. Is it scattering into dust or wind or rain, into the world somewhere?”
Reaper is stunned to hear that Eun-tak could move the sword after all, and Shin says he almost killed her because of it. Moreover, the pain had never been that strong before. Reaper suggests that Shin tell her the truth of what happens when the sword is removed, but Shin disagrees, wanting to hide it as long as possible: “For about eighty more years.” But he wonders if that’s possible.
Eun-tak’s in a good mood as she leaves her interview, and brightens further when Shin pulls up to the bus stop in his car. She notices the stacks of socks in the backseat and asks about it, and he replies that it was in order to save somebody’s twenty years of life, and thirty. She asks if he’s setting up a sock business because she said he was unemployed.
He asks teasingly if she’ll do it with him, and she readily agrees, saying that now that she’s done with her interviews, she’ll pay him more attention. “What kind of attention?” he asks.
To that end, she starts working out her arm muscles, announcing that she’ll pull out the sword without causing him pain next time. Then Shin notices a white butterfly flying around, and asks Eun-tak to step out so he can have a chat. It’s a strange request, but she complies.
Once she’s gone, Shin talks at the fluttering butterfly (aka god), half-pleading that he’s been punished enough, and half-arguing that god-butterfly showed him Eun-tak’s future to force his hand. He ends up pacing the room chasing the butterfly, and Eun-tak wonders if he’s still sick.
When he emerges, Eun-tak stammers that she totally wasn’t watching him. But he’s not concerned about that, and wears a sober face. “I really don’t like it,” Shin says. “The me who likes you can’t be this foolish.”
The admission startles her, and Shin says, “Never mind, if you didn’t hear.” She replies that she did hear, and he replies, “Then good.” When it finally does sink in, Eun-tak thrills to have received a confession.
Sunny drinks alone again, counting the passing pedestrians. Tonight, Number Fifty is Reaper himself, and he shows up in front of her window and holds out his phone, looking pouty. Sunny runs to check her phone, and when she sees that she’s missed ten calls, she exclaims that he never calls so she stopped checking.
They go out for a walk, and he says that he thought of something to say while working late. “Religion,” he says. “Atheism.” Ha, he’s replying to her question belatedly, and she can’t believe he called ten times to tell her that. Reaper says rather proudly that he wanted to tell her quickly. Man, I’d hate to see what he’s slow about.
Charmed, Sunny calls him cute, and he’s so flustered that she asks if no women have ever called him that. The question stumps him, and he starts to say that there haven’t been other women. Sunny recognizes his pattern of running when he doesn’t have something prepared and cuts him off, saying that she likes this no-women business and that he is not to go off and prepare one. Hee.
Then Sunny proposes that they each answer one truthful answer, and explains that her real name is Kim Sun, a name her parents put particular effort into deciding, in order to ensure a good life for her. She prefers Sunny and dislikes the original, finding it too pure, as though there was a story behind it. As she explains, we flash back to the young queen before she was the queen, balancing bowls on her shoulders.
It’s also the name Shin writes now, at the temple for his yearly sojourn.
Sunny asks Reaper for his real name, promising not to laugh even if it’s old-fashioned. Reaper hesitates, not knowing how to respond.
At the temple, Shin writes a second name, his eyes taking on a particularly pained look.
Flashback. Back in his human days, Shin had been presented with his shiny new sword by the young king, who said he was giving it to him with both anger and concern. He’d told Shin to go far away and not return, and Shin protested that he’d done everything the king asked of him, that this was his country and that his sister and his people were here. The king noted that Shin’s thoughts were the king’s concerns (as in, he’s overstepping), and had made it an order.
In the present, Shin continues writing the second name. As he does, a sharp pain shoots through Reaper’s chest, as though Shin’s brushstrokes are stabs instead. Sunny reaches over to help him, but Reaper jerks away and stares into her eyes until her eyes go slack. He informs her that they never met today, and apologizes for not seeing her home.
Back at home, Eun-tak wonders where Shin has gone.
Deok-hwa accompanies Shin to the temple, recalling his grandfather telling him to remember this day well in the years he serves Shin. Grandfather explains that these people are longtime debts of Shin’s heart, and when Deok-hwa asks about the sword in Shin’s chest, Grandfather tells him sternly not to talk about that with Shin.
Shin attaches those two names to a lantern (Kim Sun for the queen, Wang Yeo for the king) and sends it into the sky. Grandfather’s voice explains that the sword is Shin’s prize and punishment, both his reason for living and the key to his extinction.
As Eun-tak walks down the street that night, Shin’s voice narrates, “You, who are my life and my death. I like you. Because of that, I harbor a secret and ask the heavens for permission. To keep you from knowing for another day, to keeping you from knowing for a hundred years.”
Shin watches her pass the storefront of his favorite bookstore, and starts to follow her out. But suddenly, the bookshelves move of their own accord, closing in around him, trapping him in a box. And then the bookcases on the end lift upward, revealing a figure in red. Samshin Grandma.
Reaper looks at the queen’s portrait again, thinking that something went awry somewhere, and that this person is the source of it.
After waiting all evening for Shin to come home, Eun-tak goes to Reaper to ask something that’s been niggling at her. She recalls Shin alluding to having to go farther away once he met his bride, and asks Reaper specifically what happens when the sword is removed. Where will he be going?
Samshin Grandma tells Shin, “Pull out that sword soon. Remove it, and return to nothingness.” He asks for a reason, and she says he’s lived long enough. She adds that she was happy when Eun-tak lived, and tells him to make his decision.
“It’s ironic,” he says. “I don’t know what decision you’re telling me to make. When I was born as Kim Shin, you would have blessed me. Am I not your child?” She replies that that’s why she’s telling him this, for the good of her child, Kim Shin. She says he’ll get what he wants most—for Eun-tak to live.
And then she drops the bomb: “If you do not return to nothingness, Eun-tak will die.”
At the same time, Eun-tak gets her own bomb dropped, and hears that Shin will die when the sword is pulled.
Samshin Grandma says that Eun-tak was born with the fate to pull that sword—and that Shin made her have that fate when he saved her life. If a tool is unable to fulfill its intended purpose, it loses its value and reason for existence. “Therefore, if you don’t pull that sword out, death will keep coming for her,” she warns. “It will have already happened many times.”
Suddenly the bus crash makes sense, and Samshin Grandma says even bigger, more powerful accidents will come—and that Shin nearly killed her with his own hands.
A tear falls from Shin’s eye as he narrates, “After living a hundred years, on just the right day… It was first love. That I may confess it, I ask the heavens for permission.”
COMMENTS
Plot twist! I like this new discovery, which adds a Final Destination-esque dash of morbid whimsy to the mythology, although I can’t help feeling that this drama saves all its plot for the last ten minutes of every episode. I don’t mind this tendency quite as much on funny days, because this show works wonderfully for me as a comedy—it’s quirky and dry in a very fresh way—but I’m less thrilled on days that are more emotion-based, because I actually have a hard time feeling the emotion in this story.
It’s a pretty fun world with interesting fantasy elements, and I like all of that, but I’m having a hard time getting into this show, and I keep wanting the plot to mooooove. The overlong episodes and the slow pace make me antsy, even though I keep waiting to fall in love with the show, like I feel like I’m meant to. But the plot tends to run in circles and waits a lot, pausing frequently to draw on the melo line. Which is great if you love the melo line, but not if you don’t feel the romance, which is where I am. It isn’t gratuitous in the way The K2 was gratuitous—a glut of flash and sizzle—but I find it gratuitous in the way it wallows in sentimentality, so much so that it has the opposite effect of removing me from it entirely. I can see how, if the sentimentality works for you, it could be quite moving—but on the flipside, if it doesn’t, it starts to feel tedious.
I keep trying to figure out what isn’t working for me, because I like all of the ingredients of the show separately. I guess it’s not my brand of soup. I like all the characters, and they’re all wonderfully played, but Reaper’s the only one who tugs my heartstrings, so the rest of it tends to feel distant and glossy.
But I do really love the Reaper, and for being such a terrible person in Shin’s original life, he’s quite moving now, in a version of himself that’s been stripped of memory and baggage. My interpretation of the reaper system is that Reaper’s personality is essentially intact, and that he just doesn’t know anything of his past life. But of course, that past life is so full of emotional scars and pain that not having a recollection of them would make him fundamentally a different person now, without them. It seems that Shin had trusted the king before the king had been poisoned by his advisor, and he’d told us that he’d never seen all that jealousy and fear directed at him. So I read the king as someone who could have been decent and warm, the way I see Reaper now, and it also explains why Reaper has this childlike innocence about him. I just want so much for him to heal that rift and be best buddies with Shin, because better 900 years late than never.
Now that the Reaper’s and Sunny’s identities have been cleared up, the question we turn to now is what comes of their reincarnations and why they’re meeting again. I’m also curious as to the mechanism for reincarnation in this world, since we’ve seen souls move on to the afterlife and presumably not return again. Do reincarnated souls have unfinished business? What gives them the chance to come back in a new form, as opposed to, say, ghosts that don’t even make it that far because they haven’t even left their first life behind? Will resolving their issue allow them to move on for good?
We also turn to the issue of dual sacrifice, now that one must die for the other to live: I can see both Eun-tak and Shin being unwilling to pull the figurative trigger and take the other’s life, so I’m bracing for a bout of noble idiocy and hoping it’s not too epic. It’s totally in character for them to be self-sacrificing, but when two people are determined to die to save each other, we’ve got just as good a shot of both of them dying. And wouldn’t that be a drag? Can we tackle this problem with more laughs and less tears, pretty please with a cherry on top?
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1 Lessa
December 24, 2016 at 8:04 PM
SHARE A SUBWAY, SAVE A LIFE.
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Miky
December 24, 2016 at 8:11 PM
Subway was way to jealous of Maxim and wanted to up the game!!!Who needs a Chrstmas Miracle when u can give all year long a Subway sandwich and save a life!And it comes in all sizes and flavours
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Kdramalovers
December 25, 2016 at 9:01 AM
What a tearjerker episode! T_T
1. Tear of jealousy - the PPL really got me. I dream of Subway sandwiches... but I dunno what to do. There's no Subway in my country! *sigh*
2. Tear of shock - the high schooler ghost and the accident victims were so in bad condition. T_T
3. Tear of sadness - why the hopes have to be shutdown that fast. Eun-tak and Kim Shin, Grim Reaper and Sunny, their love were just blooming. Their progress were slow (but sure) but the reality isn't that patient. They have to wake up.
마음이 아프다...
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Playstore
December 26, 2016 at 4:46 AM
Tear of happiness - when goblin intervened and stopped the bus ( and that lil kid)
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giyoung
December 27, 2016 at 6:19 AM
This drama has a message that indirect advertising is included.
It is displayed before the start of the drama.
Historical drama in Korea is produced directly by the station, and the remaining drama
Dramatic professional outsourcer procures production costs directly without broadcasting station support.
So, before the start of broadcasting, there is an indirect advertisement.
Reducing risk at the station, saving money on the budget,
This drama is a romantic comedy category in Europe and North America
I can think of childish.
There are many genre drama in Japan and Korea.
I understand English is awkward.
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Rosa
December 24, 2016 at 8:17 PM
I just choked with water while reading this
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Rosa
December 24, 2016 at 8:18 PM
yes, you can choke with water
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CrimeFighter
December 25, 2016 at 1:36 AM
It would be nice if I could have my Subway sandwich together with a cup of Maxim coffee.
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Adam
December 25, 2016 at 4:27 AM
And this is how Subway has just stolen the show. It hits you hard when the first comment to a recap is about Subway and not the show itself.
Lessa
December 25, 2016 at 4:06 AM
Had you been eating a Subway sandwich instead, you would not have had this problem.
Subway does not choke you.
Subway SAVES.
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Adam
December 25, 2016 at 4:29 AM
This is why Subway should have its own category at Dramabeans Awards. Why Dramabeannies, why...not!?
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Rosa
December 25, 2016 at 9:57 AM
The acting of subway makes other actors' acting look like nothing, subway keeps the relevancee in every drama, that's why subway-ssi gets casted, to keep 'em classy.
dramamama
December 25, 2016 at 11:42 AM
Absolutely. Best Subway ppl.
Rosa
December 25, 2016 at 9:56 AM
True that, I underestimate the mystical powers of Subway-ssi, I'm goint to reflect about my actions.
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celine
December 24, 2016 at 8:25 PM
LMAO yes! The first time Shin used the word "sandwich" to connote miracle/helping hand from a god I knew it's bound to happen.
Also LMAO with that montage CFs of products that Gong Yoo endorses. The Body Ship, Iloom... it was hilarious because hello! obvious PPL but I then liked how it was connected with Shin doing and failing at day job. They don't hold back with these PPLs but they sure are entertaining and inserted well in the scenes imo.
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Moment
December 24, 2016 at 8:50 PM
That montage was hilarious, not so much the 5 seconds of it as the thought that this is probably what a bunch of CFs for Gong Yoo might look like in the very near future!
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nomad
December 24, 2016 at 8:55 PM
I'm glad that you find it entertaining...cause I was about to throw a towel on my laptop when they did the whole train of PPL. Seriously! That's wayyyy too many blatant PPLs in one episode. But I guess someone has to pay for all those cars they blow up.
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pizza
December 24, 2016 at 10:03 PM
I laughed so hard at the Body Shop PPL. When I was in Korea recently, there were Gong Yoo standees and posters and Goblin OSTs being blasted in the Body Shop outlets. I knew that the PPL was coming, but to show a blatant half hearted promo was unexpected.
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mehungie
December 27, 2016 at 1:13 PM
Throw a towel you said? You know, the show might have just the towel suggestion for you.
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Sooyeon
December 25, 2016 at 12:27 AM
If you noticed - Discovery Expedition did their part too. Grim reaper was wearing the jacket in one part.
I think most products of Gong Yoo's endorsement is in it. Iloom, Body Shop, Discovery Expedition, Maxim.
I bet Subway is in the queue to ask him to be their next ambassador ?
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Aigoooo
December 25, 2016 at 3:18 AM
Even Dramafever is a sponsor. I saw their banner at the end of the episode.
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Rungirlrun
December 25, 2016 at 3:56 AM
Were the towels PPL's too? Cause i saw embroideries but could not make out what it meant. And what exactly is ILOOM? I researched and it looked like one of those "looms" with threads that girls would make bracelets and whatnot with it (circa 90's and early 2000's), but no actual bracelet or "loomed" product. Is Maserati a sponsor too? Isn't it what Goblin drives???
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annflln
December 25, 2016 at 5:29 AM
My rough guess is its a furniture company....like IKEA maybe?
Sooyeon
December 27, 2016 at 8:11 PM
@rungirlrun
Wow, I like your name ^^
iloom is a furniture company in Korea. It's something like Ikea.. Korean style ㅋㅋㅋ
If we were to notice all the sponsor.. its gonna be one whole long list. Yes, they are all driving Meserati.. and wearing Tag Heuer watches.
Gong Yoo's coats is all sponsored by high end brands.. Lavine, Burberry, Dolce & Gabbana.. etc. In another site I read, someone commented that he don't wear local (Korean) brands. LOL.
Sooyeon
December 27, 2016 at 8:14 PM
Ah.. About that towels.. I'm still wondering about Bamboo Panda.. never heard of that brand before..
[email protected]
December 26, 2016 at 3:55 AM
Most of the Korean drama PPLs don't seem relevant to me. I am not into designer clothes, shoes etc. and the only coffee I like is Dunkin Donuts, not the fancy coffee shop concoctions. But the blatant the Bodyshop plug in for White Musk got me excited. White Musk has been my staple perfume for the last 10 years. It is just fantastic! So, Gong Yoo or no Gong Yoo....I am excited to see one reasonably priced product on the show that I can relate to.
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sooyeon
December 27, 2016 at 10:16 PM
time for me to pop by Body Shop and test the White Musk..
this is what PPLs in drama does to a person.. :P
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gaeinalee
December 24, 2016 at 8:54 PM
Dang! This eps should be aired last week, so I could suggest the mothers in charity group to prepare Subway instead of hot meal for the unfortunate people. Too late, Subway... Next time perhaps.
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katherine
December 24, 2016 at 9:55 PM
how to be a 938-year-old guardian 101: feed subways (with all vegetables?!??)
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sylvia
December 24, 2016 at 9:56 PM
I nearly shat myself during that scene. SUBWAY: A NEW LEASE ON LIFE. LITERALLY GOD'S GIFT TO MANKIND.
But I worry for the show-runners: how on earth are they going to one-up this one?! Maybe Eun Tak will pull out the sword, and it turns out to be a giant subway.
omg instead of a tea room the entrance to paradise when Eun Tak & Goblin are both dead is a subway store. They climb towards the divine via huge tomato slices.
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starandsky
December 24, 2016 at 10:28 PM
Lol that would be epic
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Ana Fa
December 24, 2016 at 11:01 PM
???? thank you I needed that after today's tearjerker!!!
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Bobbie
December 24, 2016 at 11:15 PM
I've had the worst day ever and your comment just made me lol so hard, so thank you!
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sylvia
December 24, 2016 at 11:37 PM
Awww </3 <3 here's a Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays to you!!
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marmari
December 25, 2016 at 12:26 AM
I'm hoping for a Truck of Doom with the Subway logo painted on its side
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Lessa
December 25, 2016 at 4:02 AM
OMG YES.
Here is your order of "PARADISE".
AND ITS A SANDWICH
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Kiara
December 24, 2016 at 11:05 PM
I'm so sick of the subway PPL I'm not going to eat another subway sandwich for the rest of my life.
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sylvia
December 24, 2016 at 11:33 PM
I'm trying to solve a mystery: why is it that I no longer want Subways, but still crave Korean food? Technically kdramas have been huge PPLs for the Korean food industry, especially overseas, where I swear in the last decade Korean restaurants have become so much more prominent in the public gastronomic consciousness. But see, even though I know I'm being sorta played, I've never minded random eating scenes with random closeups of random slices of Korean bbq pork belly. Yet Subway though. I never want another sandwich for the rest of my consenting adult life (i.e. not unless I get into a traffic accident and Korean doctors force feed me a Sub via feeding tube).
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Amy
December 25, 2016 at 2:18 AM
Hahahaha
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Kiara
December 25, 2016 at 5:41 AM
I am really serious. The more I see it the more I dislike it lol.
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Penny
December 25, 2016 at 12:12 PM
The Ppl who have made korean food popular do not watch dramas. They are not evev from korea. They are american food critics and hipster asian american chefs
a genre of food isnt product placement
as for nasty Subway being ubiquitous on korean tv i suppose Samsung or another chaebol must own korean franchise rights
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saranga
December 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM
i honestly can't recall a korean drama PPL that has been as nonstop (across tvn shows anyway), glaringly obvious, and curiously obnoxious as subway's.
i think subway is a special case because subway sells ONLY sandwiches. all the other food PPLs like coffee, ice cream, and sweet treats are tolerable and fly fairly under the radar because people do go out to these sorts of places all the time. in fact, i hardly give these scenes a second thought unless they're actually zooming up on a brand logo. but who really makes an excursion out of going to a subway and eating there? it's more of an order and go sort of place.
i have to admit, the subway stuff was actually effective on me earlier in the year. i hadn't eaten one in years and seeing it made me want to try some again. i think i went three times purely as a result of watching kdramas. but after the horrible PPL in the K2 and now goblin (though i'll say in goblin it's nowhere near as bad as it was in the K2), i'm getting turned off by it.
it's not really subway's fault. it's just the nature of the brand... it's hard to insert it naturally as you would an ice cream or coffee ppl. i'd actually goblin is not doing a bad job, but it IS annoying having seen subway all year.
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Sojuboy
December 25, 2016 at 2:09 AM
I'm amazed by the creative forces in Korea to make Subway PPL's endlessly facetious. I don't think Hollywood could do it.
Speaking of Hollywood, has it become second rate at this point? : http://www.ibtimes.co.in/gong-yoos-goblin-being-eyed-by-hollywood-producers-708370
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Oshi
December 25, 2016 at 7:22 AM
Hollywood has a long history of plucking ideas from other film/tv industries (europe usually). It's not surprising that with the popularity of Asian dramas they would take up Goblin.
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Yaya
December 25, 2016 at 8:54 AM
Thank you for posting this link. Keanu Reeves as Kim Shin?! I don't think so. And I say this with 10 years of Keanu REEVES
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Yaya
December 25, 2016 at 9:00 AM
Aish! I meant to say with 10 years ok Keanu infatuated goggles!
By the way, i couldn't stop laughing at the passionate outpour of comments about Subway for the first half of Goblin's comment section.
Kiara
December 25, 2016 at 3:31 PM
He is terrible. I don't get why he is popular in Asia.
Sojuboy
December 26, 2016 at 4:21 AM
The whole idea of Keanu Reeves is just jarring. Is that what Hollywood can come up with as a leading man?
I still want to see a Sandman series. This whole show is a ripoff of Sandman. The whole Sandman series/ movie idea has been going on and off for many years.
Sandman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDdfYZkN_tI
Ren
December 25, 2016 at 12:18 PM
Hollywood is second rate. It ran out of ideas long ago. Everything is sequals and rebates. If not for Marvel and Transformers and Star Wars what would Hollywood have been the past decade?
As for Korean remakes everyone in Hollywood has points. Theres a literal cottage industry of guys pitching Korean dramas every pilot season. Its like in the 2000s with British reality (American idol, DWTS, Millionaire, etcetc)
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Lessa
December 25, 2016 at 4:01 AM
No.
Eat Subway.
It can bring you back to life.
(According to The K2)
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zik
December 24, 2016 at 11:31 PM
lol
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Sojuboy
December 25, 2016 at 2:00 AM
"Subway is Life."
How much does Subway pay for all this. They must pay a lot???
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Yoyo
December 25, 2016 at 5:37 AM
Subway, third wheeling on OTP dates since 2008.
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klurker
December 25, 2016 at 6:02 AM
Some thoughts:
1) If a deity who meets with you is carrying a Subway, you know you're being saved from something. Be grateful.
2) Reapers won't ever be seen gathering in a Subway store. Cause Subway = good omen
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alasecond
December 25, 2016 at 8:17 AM
In the world of sandwiches and burgers and fast food,
they must have nicknamed Sub
"The sandwich that should not be named"
and the world of fast food awaits... the birth of their own harry potter that would put an end to the absolute power and reign of He who must not be named...
Free them from the darkness and constant threat of overriding content, characters, everything to promote itself..
It is so dangerous that it can threaten ruining the entire drama by pulling its hand from it .. arrgh..
Where are you james and lilly potter?? .. copulate quickly
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CrimeFighter
December 25, 2016 at 10:35 AM
I didnt know that a Subway sandwich can literally save a life until this episode. Haha.
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Quinze
December 25, 2016 at 8:13 PM
LMAO, seems about right the way our newest sleek, shiny dramas are framing it.
It really is getting ridiculous though to the point that I'm fixated on why the heck it's Subway again instead on the scene. Like almost-suicide daddy made me roll my eyes because...Subway.
:|
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giyoung
December 27, 2016 at 6:10 AM
This drama has a message that indirect advertising is included.
It is displayed before the start of the drama.
Historical drama in Korea is produced directly by the station, and the remaining drama
Dramatic professional outsourcer procures production costs directly without broadcasting station support.
So, before the start of broadcasting, there is an indirect advertisement.
Reducing risk at the station, saving money on the budget,
This drama is a romantic comedy category in Europe and North America
I can think of childish.
There are many genre drama in Japan and Korea.
I understand English is awkward.
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VoverFlowers
December 27, 2016 at 4:21 PM
Great drama! Having lots of fun watching this. After reading this post about Goblins, I found that there were some parts that made so much more sense. http://koreanhistoricaldramas.com/korean-folklore-goblins-and-other-beings/
The song the Grim Reaper was singing was an actual kids song! I didn't know!!
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giyoung
December 28, 2016 at 2:06 AM
왕여(王黎) ( Wang Yeu) Koryu King name
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2 faeee
December 24, 2016 at 8:06 PM
ugh what are you doing to me?!
so much happened in this episode. we got a final conformation for the whole reincarnation with sunny and reaper and that final ending. how do i function after that? shin has to die for euntak to live and euntak has to die for shin to live. just kill me already.
and all the cute in this episode. reaper and dokhwa on damage control. shin revenge on taehee oppa, hah. shin's confession.
man, friday can't come soon enough.
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Gracery
December 25, 2016 at 7:54 AM
Agh seriously!!!
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matt
December 29, 2016 at 10:38 AM
i thought i had seen Ji Eun Tak acting style somewhere before.. She acting reek of Jung Ryeo Won acting style.. And its very cute too. both of them..
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3 Lessa
December 24, 2016 at 8:09 PM
I do also wish the storyline would move. It's like whoa start, wut middle, then whoa ending. (Grim Reaper is love though! <3 Cute!)
Strangely, when Samshin Grandma said Eun Tak was a tool with a purpose, and she will die if she does not fulfill that purpose... it reminded me of the vanishing manhwa characters from W-Two Worlds
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Honeybee
December 24, 2016 at 10:07 PM
I just binged W last week so that premise reminded me of that too!
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CrimeFighter
December 25, 2016 at 10:41 AM
It reminds of My Girlfriend Is A Gumiho. Cos one of the main OTP would be dead too.
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4 Moment
December 24, 2016 at 8:09 PM
Thanks for the recap JB!
I maintain that the Goblin team is reading our comments...
Is the Reaper really the Queen?
Can a Sub confer life instead of death?
What will the slew of CFs for Gong Yoo start to look like in the aftermath of Dokkebi?
It's all so hilariously meta.
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Miky
December 24, 2016 at 8:21 PM
Jajaja...The Reaper is point blank the King,i sense he reacted when Shin wrote the King name at the temple..i bet from now one he will start to remember little by little who he really is...I'm quite curious if his personality will change after he regains his past life memories...I don't really want him to change his charming and weird personality...
Guess i watched too many dramas but i never had a doubt about The Reaper and Sunny's true identities from ep 1, that is if one didn't read the early on char. descriptions...
Really laughed at Shin the Salesman and Eun Tak saying he lacks brain cells,those are hilarious,she always succedes in punching that huge bubble of ego that he has...Also how sad is that her only friend is a ghost,and one that i hint hides as well some secret refering her death...For a moment i belived she was in the same one as her Mom but i remember it was night when it happened back then and in September so kinda excuded...
Jealous and petty Shin are THE BEST!!!I always laugh seeing him being so childish,also telling her out of the blue he likes her...
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Moment
December 24, 2016 at 8:28 PM
It's just that they seem to deal with the fan theories in the first 15 minutes before moving on with the episode! Even the previous one, where Shin asks Grandpa if he has already burned the scroll... I could swear there was a comment describing a similar scene :)
Yeah, it seems Euntak's only friends are ghosts... So much so that when an ordinary classmate makes conversation I wonder whether she's Samshin Halmi in disguise :p
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doedoebert
December 25, 2016 at 5:52 AM
Actually, i thought the classmate is a ghost. She is dead already, that's why she will not be able to find out if she shortlisted by the university of her choice ...
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Aqee
December 27, 2016 at 9:48 AM
Nope she's not a ghost unless she recently died.
Bcoz i remember clearly she helped Eun Tak to out those chubby bully girl to their teacher.
chingu
December 24, 2016 at 9:16 PM
Haha, yeah! I think the Goblin team's got a couple people diggin' through netizens' comments so they can address it in the episodes. When Deok-hwa thought that Grims could be Shin's sister and suggested Grims call Shin "oraboni," I was like, HA, somebody's been reading online theories!
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Lord Cobol
December 24, 2016 at 11:06 PM
Now I'm picturing all the reaper guys in black sitting in a subway shop scouring the internet for comments...
...then taking notes on who is getting too close and has to be silenced :)
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Sixtyone
December 25, 2016 at 1:54 AM
Watch ur back!
Did u feel like u may talk to someone but u didn't recall what u're talking about?
Lol.
Or that could be Secretary Army that check every site.
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5 apluszee
December 24, 2016 at 8:10 PM
This is so sad. Either he dies, or she dies. Of course now that Eun Tak knows the real reason, she probably wouldn't want to pull out the sword... and he wouldn't want her to die, so he has to get her to take it out.
And poor Reaper. So Sunny is Goblin's sister and Reaper's the King.
This is 10x hard to watch now. No one gets to be together ?
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Moment
December 24, 2016 at 8:43 PM
I know... I'm hoping for some sort of happy ending I signed up for epic but not for melo :'(
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 9:23 PM
I was waiting for Grims to say to Eun-tak, "Now look into my eyes..." and erase her memory of him revealing the true meaning behind the sword-pulling. I wonder if he's gonna do it in the next ep? I hope not because I actually want her to know and while I know that'll pile onto the angst, I just don't want her to be in the dark about something that's literally life and death.
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Moment
December 24, 2016 at 9:38 PM
Yeah... I don't want her to un-know it either. But seeing how much pain Shin is in from the sword may eventually convince her to pull it out.
Plus, Samshin Halmi is right, in that Shin having long life, money and supernatural powers really gives him a dangerously unfair advantage over all other living beings, and even over the beings of death. Perhaps it's right for him to give it up, even if blackmail is the only way to get him to do it, and even if it's crushingly unfair that just as he is beginning to find love, he must end his life.
Perhaps at the end they will find that the gods sometimes have mercy, and it won't be all bad... Right?
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 10:24 PM
Right! ? We can only hope! ??? but it's exactly like you said, that "just as he's beginning to find love, he has to end his life," makes it so damn sad. I just can't.
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Mohammed
December 25, 2016 at 1:55 PM
I dont think any human in history envy Shin in anyway despite his awesome powers that overpower Grim reapers work of life, death, change destiny.
I mean its beyond tragic to live 900 years without loving someone, lonely, eternal pain because of a curse because he was a good loyal soldier who was betrayed, got his family killed. 900 years of pointless, dead like life.....
Then he can get the first woman he every loved killed because he wants to live.¨
Shin is tragic figure beyond epic proportions that makes the usual human mundane life of 100 years looks so wonderful in comparison.
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Playstore
December 26, 2016 at 12:50 PM
And to know that the god in the drama is testing shin by tempting him to live with his first love who'll put end to is immortality.
Mohammed
December 26, 2016 at 2:53 PM
PLAYSTORE
The god in Goblin seems to the cruel, toying with human like the ones in Greek tragedies. I mean its like lets toy with Shin he cant die unless he has to lose even more by falling for someone, feeling more alive, better than ever but he cant have a second of happiness. Like torturing him before its his time to die.
Rosepetal
December 24, 2016 at 9:40 PM
I don't think so because remember when Goblin was treating Eun Tak with a large juice and they bumped into Reaper? He tried to control Eun Tak saying "you will see the sword and you will pull it out" but he couldn't control her because she isn't exactly a "normal" human. So I don't think that he could erase her memories even if he wanted to...
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 10:21 PM
Yeah, good point. I also thought of that, too. He was never able to control her before, so I don't think he'll be able to (maybe he didn't even plan to) erase her mind this time either. Which, thank you, Grims! I knew I could count on you to tell her the truth!
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Lily left the valley
December 24, 2016 at 10:57 PM
I thought it would be the grandson slipping.
I also forgot Reaper couldn't control her, so I was waiting for him to try to erase her memory as well. I think it would have been funny, actually, if HE forgot and only told her to get it off his chest before making her forget only to realize he can't make her forget.
Kiara
December 24, 2016 at 10:52 PM
Beside Eun-tak knows what would happen if someone looks directly at the reaper's eyes. She tried to shield Shin and told Tae-hee not to look at him (reaper) in the eye.
There is no way reaper is going to erase her memory unless she permits him to.
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SimbiAni @ MDL
December 25, 2016 at 7:59 AM
That was not an attempt at control, just telepathy. He was trying to sneakily tell her KS' secret via mental thoughts, but she can't read his mind like him & KS do to each other, cuz she's not immortal like them. Now if he were to directly ~command her out loud.. that would be different!
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 10:17 AM
Ah, yes, good point! Good point! ???
HD
December 26, 2016 at 2:32 AM
or he can sneak that memory-erasing tea that he always makes for reaped souls into Eun Tak's food/drink?
leni1965
December 26, 2016 at 4:01 AM
I think Eun Tak is supposed to be immune to Reaper's mind wipe talents. Shin is sort of puzzled with her remember because she can follow him through a portal and can summon him whenever she wish? Actually, i am a bit shocked that Reaper chose to tell her the consequences of pulling the sword. For me, it should be the goblin's choice to share his secret. Still, i don't mind because now she knows and she can make her choice knowing the truth behind the sword pulling.
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Aqee
December 27, 2016 at 9:51 AM
Reaper technically didn't tell her anything.
Eun Tak guess it all from the clues she's been thinking and Reaper dead sad expression.
Lastly Reaper just give a tiny nod.
Well..that's maybe the only give away he did of Goblin sword secret.
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starandsky
December 24, 2016 at 10:26 PM
Yes it will be hard to watch for now on :'(
I didn't expect the melo. Agh!
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Julia
December 25, 2016 at 12:23 AM
I believe grim reaper can't erase euntak's memory since she is the missing soul..
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Sixtyone
December 25, 2016 at 1:57 AM
I can't wait for KS n Sny meeting.
Will he recognize that she's the incarnation of her sister if they meet randomly?
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Juvy
December 25, 2016 at 5:41 AM
This is what im looking forward to see too :)
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CrimeFighter
December 25, 2016 at 10:45 AM
Either one of them have to die, how sad.... And now we are more or less confirmed that the Reaper was the King and Sunny was the Queen (younger sister of KS).
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Sojuboy
December 27, 2016 at 4:42 PM
I heard this writer has never done a sad ending? Can someone correct me? Personally, I really don't care. Why do people care?
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6 Kestrel
December 24, 2016 at 8:17 PM
This episode brought to you by Subway and The Body Shop.
Serious question: What is the plural for Grim Reaper? Are they a brace? A flock? Or, pun intended, a murder of Grims Reaper? Grim Reapers?
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Miky
December 24, 2016 at 8:24 PM
I know it's Grim Reapers but i'm not native so might be wrong
on a off topic i named Grimmy out adorable oddball,it's easier
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bbstl
December 24, 2016 at 8:49 PM
A Doom of Grim Reapers? A Portent of them?
The alliteration of a gaggle is nice although it doesn't sound quite serious enough, does it?
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apluszee
December 24, 2016 at 11:03 PM
A troop of grim reapers.
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NutellaFitzgerald
December 25, 2016 at 1:20 AM
So Shin calls Reaper 'Saja' now (sometimes) which is short for jeoseung saja 저승 사자...literally, hell lion or afterlife lion, which adds up to Grim Reaper.
**And** saja can mean lion, too...so a Pride of Reapers? ?
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NutellaFitzgerald
December 25, 2016 at 1:28 AM
Saja also translates as 'messenger', which is probably (ok, definitely ? ) more correct than 'lion'...but I like thinking 'hell lion', so there you go.
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merin
December 25, 2016 at 1:53 AM
The Grim reapers here are sort of bureaucrats so I'll go with a "shuffle of Grim Reapers."
ψ(`∇´)ψ
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7 fgb4877
December 24, 2016 at 8:18 PM
I wouldn`t mind some Goblin - Sunny siblings bickering... ;)
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 9:25 PM
Oh, haha, that'd be so much fun! I can't wait for them to meet! Then double date! Yayayayay!
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Sixtyone
December 25, 2016 at 2:05 AM
Me too,me too!
Really can't wait Sunny meets Dokkaebi Oppa.
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Halu Garci
December 25, 2016 at 3:20 PM
Yes, double date. Perhaps at the Subway store and by the end of the 939th episode haha
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8 celine
December 24, 2016 at 8:19 PM
Probably my favorite truck of doom scene. Who knew I would not be laughing my butt off on an incoming truck of doom. This one must be special because I was truly on pins and needles when the whole scene played out. It was intense on so many levels that I was. And with all those grim reapers waiting to collect souls /goosebumps LOVED IT!
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 9:29 PM
Ikr!? Same! I watched (and watched and watched) the previews for this ep, so I saw the Truck of Doom coming, but who knew it'd be another plot twist?! I was expecting Eun-tak to be in danger and hurt, causing Shin to come to the rescue, but never would've guessed the possibilities of things to go THAT BAD and that Shin would meddle into human affairs, yet again! Oy vey.
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Yoyo
December 25, 2016 at 5:47 AM
Who knew our beloved truck of doom could make such an impactful (pun intended) scene? From all those crosswalk crashes, drunken stupor stupidity, smartphone idiocy and blind walking because writer nim just needs an accident included on the script, this particular scene felt more like a music video than it did a kdrama. (Insert EXO)
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Playstore
December 25, 2016 at 1:47 PM
Now I ACTUALLY want an MV by EXO where they'll stop the truck of doom by their supernatural powers. They haven't used their powers for a long time. It'll be great to see them compete against Our great goblin Kim Shin.
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Peppa
December 28, 2016 at 9:57 PM
But it was so sad that the mother and her baby were definitely on the front line waiting for the truck. ?
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9 halfmoon
December 24, 2016 at 8:21 PM
Enough of the Subway PPL already! It's ruining my viewing experience!
Anyway, I don't really get it. ET's fate was to pull the sword.
If she doesn't , then her existence wouldn't mean anything and she would die (which also explains why her birthmark is vanishing + all the incidents).
But if she does pull the sword, then she would have fulfilled her fate, and then what? Will she be able to live? She wouldn't have a "purpose" anymore. Or would she only be to live until she's 29?
What are the Goblin and his bride going to do ?!
Thanks for the quick recap, JB, especially in these times of holidays!
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Gabobobobo
December 24, 2016 at 10:02 PM
Yup, this episode is PPL galore, and it's super annoying and distracting. When Shin handed that sandwich (which brand should't be mention) to the suicidal man, I screamed at my screen with frustration. Not necessary at all. You can see that the sponsors are so greedy and thirsty for more screen time that they resort to this.
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Honeybee
December 24, 2016 at 10:17 PM
Oddly, I'm quite alright with the PPLs. In my country, ads usually take so long that we forget the actual show we're watching. The running time usually of a show would be 20 mins only but with ads, it spans from 40 mins to an hour. So if there are more PPLs and less ads, I'd be okay with it, because at least there's more story moving and less "buy me!" At least Subway is trying to make the product relevant to the story?
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endo
December 25, 2016 at 3:06 AM
we're the same. I don't mind it at all. It's not like they had to make a 180 degree just to make a PPL happen. I don't mind a show eating icecream or sandwiches or even spraying perfumes. Lol.
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Amy
December 25, 2016 at 4:03 AM
That hilarious.. Hahaha
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missjb
December 25, 2016 at 6:08 AM
Are you from Indonesia? I would rather watch ads within the drama rather than PPL in my drama. PPL often distract the whole flow of the story.
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lunaticandra
December 25, 2016 at 4:45 PM
Now now...
Indonesian folks gather to share the pain. Now that I am more glued to my laptop, I couldn't afford to switch on tv at all just to watch an endless ads.
cutesoprano
December 25, 2016 at 7:51 PM
yeah.. as a indonesian, i'd better download a kdrama and watch it on laptop or computer..
the ads is often too long.. imagine.,, the drama will air around 2 - 3 minutes, after that the ads will take over for almost 5 minutes long.. ahhahahahaa.. so i think, the PPL is still acceptable,., but sure, it's quite annoying to always see SUBWAY sandwich everywhere and wondering, is there any othe sandwich shop besides SUBWAY in korea? hahahaha...
Jin
December 26, 2016 at 9:50 PM
Ha! I was thinking the same, "Is Honeybee Indonesian?".
Anyway, I prefer watching a drama with PPLs but ONLY with those subtly inserted. But again, who can blame Subway-god if he is the one who drops the money from the heaven in order to present this goblin's tragic love (and countless wrecked cars) to us? I just hope he doesn't abuse his power that much…
DramaNinja
December 25, 2016 at 12:42 PM
Wow i just forgot my own country's shows which have 10 min worth of run time and 20 mins ads. Considering the many years of TV watching I've done bearjng all that, I don't deserve to get mad at K-PPLs at all. I would take Korean style of PPL anyday over that.
Also Goblin's PPLs though distractingly on the face, don't interfere with the plot. I don't mind much.
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Kiara
December 24, 2016 at 11:37 PM
I think she will pull the sword and Goblin will no longer be immortal. He will die and return to ashes after he lives as a normal human being (hopefully with Eun-tak) or I'll curse these fantasy Gods for being so cruel.
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Amy
December 25, 2016 at 4:05 AM
I prefer this kind of ending.. But Kim shin premonition make me less excited about it.. Oh well..
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 9:51 AM
I'm hoping that the writer has more up her sleeves because this is too simple.
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neener
December 25, 2016 at 4:58 AM
I love this ending! And this is the only way the deity can somehow repay Goblin and also Eun Tak.
But what will happy to Sunny and the Reaper?
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 9:53 AM
Maybe they'll run off like the other reaper when he found his wife.
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Peppa
December 28, 2016 at 10:01 PM
Heol. Reaper would have to file a missing person but he hates those kind of paperwork. ?
Yoyo
December 25, 2016 at 5:52 AM
I still think its the sword that will turn into ashes not Shin. All the while we were led to believe Shin was being punished by the gods, but I still think it's more a redemption than it is a punishment. That sword is cursed and in a way it controlled Shin. 900 years of repentance should be enough for him to get a second chance of living his life's purpose and a first chance at love. But then again, how many kdrama finales have we all watched and regretted watching??
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Amy
December 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM
Autumn in my heart still hurt me to this day.. Everyone are dead.. Hate that..
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 1:09 AM
A cremated human body returns to ashes (ashes to ashes and dust to dust). That's what happens to our human physical bodies after we die.
I don't even know for sure if this sword is real or just symbolic. It's magical to me from a fantasy point of view.
Anyway, that's just my take.
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Sojuboy
December 27, 2016 at 4:43 PM
That Soompi forum just goes on and on and on...
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Abcde
December 25, 2016 at 4:15 AM
I'm allright with ppl in this episode. Its quite funny actually. And for the subway ppl in suicidal man, I find okay not that annoying or particularly good, just okay. I just find it that those things were ppl while watching it again on youtube and reading comments here and there
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10 yoadrian
December 24, 2016 at 8:24 PM
I wish I met a goblin when I was 7 who could make our piano disappear.
But then my Mom would go crazy, and he'd probably give it back anyway, so maybe no.
The plot twist, boy, am I an easy target with this.
So being together is like their worst nightmare, as well as the best years of their lives?
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kles
December 24, 2016 at 9:43 PM
Haha, I just talked to a mom who makes her 4 year old practice piano 45 min a day, and brings a portable electone on holiday so the girl can practice... I bet that 4 year old wants the piano gone.....
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11 Rosa
December 24, 2016 at 8:27 PM
I'm going to say what I said already, I'm pretty fine with the plot move, because the way the writer share with us the daily and mundane life of these characters is a must for me, yeah, there is a plot to follow and move towards to, but following strictly it's incredibly soul-less for me, I need to watch and extra besides the plot, I need to watch a normal-not-so-normal daily life of the characters so I can feel more ''close'' to them.
I think it's important to follow the plot, but just pointing to that is forced to me, what makes this drama so enjoyable is to see how they manage their daily lifes, and how fun/sad they feel, how they spend their time, that's my favorite thing of goblin, we're not just follow around a story, the writer is letting us know their personalities too and their lives.
I know that the drama needs to follow the plot line, but what makes me feel closer it's how we can appreciate many sides of them in random situations, it feels like you're really a part of their lives, like you are really there, that's my pov~.
thank you for this review javabeans! merry christmas to you all♥
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1tea1
December 24, 2016 at 10:51 PM
I agree!! This is what I love most about Goblin. And I think that this is something KES does so well in her dramas. She tends to pull away the plot for a bit to give us character interaction before engaging the plot again.
I enjoy it a lot. Please don't change Goblin.
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rambutan
December 24, 2016 at 11:12 PM
Exactly my thoughts. I am enjoying each episode thoroughly, actually, more and more. I'm totally addicted, and have no complaints about the story or pace. I've also rediscovered my love for Gong Yoooooooooo!
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azack
December 25, 2016 at 3:45 AM
rambutan, by any chance are u malaysian?
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rambutan
December 25, 2016 at 7:18 AM
Yes. :)
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Aqee
December 27, 2016 at 9:53 AM
Hai there Malaysian.
Good to see fellow Malaysian lurking in Dramabeans.
Dah ketagih cita Goblin ni.
poppaya
December 25, 2016 at 6:02 AM
well that's the thing,
it because it wasn't well balance that it divided people,
if you like it then it's good,
for me it's too much
I've seen the same bickering for 7 episode and I don't need more,
it's good for between but when the opening and the ending is the only worth plot moving,
don't you think people have a right to say that it's too much?
it become less enjoyable since ep 4, then 5 then 6 then now it just becomes repetitive and when you can't feel it again,
it just go nowhere and the cliffhanger is now seems like a clickbait for the next episode rather than a question viewer like to see to be answered.
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heradom
December 25, 2016 at 7:55 AM
just as you have the right to say it, OP has the right to give his/her opinion too, so i'm not too sure what your sentence "don't you think people have a right to say that it's too much" means because OP sure didn't say anything against people expressing their feelings to the contrary.
what you said is your own opinion of course for your last two sentence. but clearly OP disagrees so just state your opinion as OP did instead of putting out that as if its a fact that it is "less enjoyable" and [the story] "go[es] nowhere"!
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poppaya
December 25, 2016 at 8:27 AM
my point is too many people (or like a lot of people) try to abort the idea that people who complaints about plot is nitpicking,
almost all the comment is about how it's still enjoyable and the people who want a plot ask too much, how the PPL that just obvious not bother them cause they love the oppa face on screen
see around and what people typed,
it's all about criticising people who love it before that have no right to said that they get bored
here I am trying to type what make me bored because I need them to read that even with all the justification and all the new comment about what makes them love the drama,
it's not gonna be the same with other people and just because the recapper also felt it too much doesn't mean it's wrong,
It's like the costumer that just need to accept every food and every drink the series/place offer and when you said no since you can't taste the food anymore, other customer gaze and blatanly chew their food open loud to make sure that the food is still so tasty and you need to leave immediately without making any uncomfortable complaint since the loud chewing is the validation of tasty food,
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poppaya
December 25, 2016 at 8:28 AM
* plot is nitpicking, ---> plot and nitpicking it,
Kdramalovers
December 25, 2016 at 9:36 AM
Imho, it's okay to feel bored because everyone can get bored.
I also got bored of Secret Garden (skip some episodes), The Heirs (randomly watch), DOTS (only a half of 1st ep), Legends of The Blue Sea (skip some episodes) and many more...
Just type it, express your feelings, no need to argue or to feel being argued
Rosa
December 25, 2016 at 9:39 AM
I just wanted to give my pov my God... I understand that people won't like the way the plot is going on and their reasons, I see bunch of comments about that.
I'm just someone who likes to spend the time with the drama without thinking too, too, toooooo much about following rules, but with good acting (which is a must to me to watch/bear something) of course will be people complaining about the pacing, but in my statement I had zero intentions to do that, I respect your pov, and I don't really feel annoyed for the diversity of opinions because it is important and it's fine.
But also I wanted to add that I can difer with the pacing, let's just enjoy things in our own way.
Rosa
December 25, 2016 at 9:41 AM
differ*
heradom
December 25, 2016 at 8:03 PM
Oh no I have no problem with your pov of the flaws in the drama (even if I disagree), I just think you replied to a comment which doesn't dismiss alternative points of views but was just giving an own take on whether plot matters that much in appreciating this drama- op was definitely not saying people who think plot is all that is stupid, so I'm genuinely puzzled by your reaction. There was a rude commenter I believe on the second page- now that comment is where your comment would be totally called for!
Kdramalovers
December 25, 2016 at 9:21 AM
Agree!
I love the details too. Just like Il Mare, Daisy, Windstruck..
That quite moment, whimsical me-time (read: walking-alone) scene, and wishful thinking also my faves.
It's different from makjang and melodrama
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Ana
December 26, 2016 at 7:44 AM
I agree with you! I'm glad that KES really lets you get to know the characters, how they think and how they feel. Also, I really like to get a lot of details of this world and how it works.
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12 shalini
December 24, 2016 at 8:28 PM
Though the first 3 episodes were crack, I also felt the pace draaag until at the last 10 minutes of this episode. And then I just sat back, because wow that was so well done. There were hints of something like this coming from the start and watching all the pieces click in place after weeks of knowing more than the characters do is exciting, especially because of how impossible a happy ending seems.
(But this is Kim Eun-sook so we'll get one, yes? Lovers in Paris doesn't count!!!)
I can't deny that I would have preferred less Euntak-Goblin squabbling these past weeks but after how hurriedly the premiere week set things up, these show needed time for its characters to breathe and fall in love. I wasn't exactly sold on the loveline either, until today. I still don't know if I'm fully sold but there's something pretty powerful stirring between these two that we've only gotten (frustrating) glimpses of in between Subway trips. And I hope that these new revelations will propel them forward, instead of reversing the situation. (Please don't let Euntak decide to withdraw from Shin while he goes on the aggressive!)
And on a purely shallow note, Mr. Goblin is sexy as hell but pouty Reaper has my heart. Please escort me to the afterlife, and stay there with me!!
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J.A.
December 26, 2016 at 5:25 AM
I am speaking on behalf of five of my friends: we agree that the plot is about to make a lot of fans fall asleep. And, please let there be less and less Goblin and Eun Tak scenes, it's just becoming tedious . And please more Grim Reaper-Goblin-Sunny- past life story line. Peace everyone. Merry christmas!
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ap
December 27, 2016 at 9:02 AM
agree. i just cant believe that i feel sleepy while watching eun tak and KS's plot move. the scene and the classic touch doesn't help at all. im more interested to watch Goblin and Sunny's past life why are they punished and what was the high price they need to pay for.
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13 heradom
December 24, 2016 at 8:38 PM
Digging the sentimentality so I'm enjoying every single wallowing moment. Usually I hate this aspect in a drama so I attribute it to the acting and the directing which really band aids the constant repetition. I was practically sobbing in the last 10 mins so safe to say I'm hooked for whatever reason.
I thought that the butterfly wasn't really god but just a random butterfly given that shin was ralling at it and the scene was played off as comical. I did suck in a breathe thinking that god was coming down to punish the goblin for interfering so much though.i hope we see that idiotic cyclist again for proper retribution.
So far the show has been incredibly consistent with its plot and world building - they have explained why eun tak had to be 19 at the start and have set up the reincarnation of the queen and the king nicely. I also like the fact that we have once off 10 min short stories of random individuals that die/saved by the goblin- there is no discernible effect of these individuals on explaining the main characters' characters or motivations, but these stories are self contained, moving and make the story feel the appropriate scale for one dealing with gods.
Lastly, I'm not sure whether the subs I was watching were incorrect but wasn't the scene regarding the king and Kim shin a twist as well? Didn't it suggest that the King wanted to save Kim Shin by having him leave far away and fake his death, but for some reason that even our goblin doesn't know, the King eventually has to force his hand and kill Shin as we've already seen?
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kokoko
December 24, 2016 at 8:59 PM
I also think the butterfly was just a butterfly, especially because the lady in red/grandma is revealed to be a god in the end.
For the king and Kim Shin scene, I thought that happened before Kim Shin went to fight in battle. Kim Shin says he doesn't want to leave behind his sister and other people. What the king wanted was for him to disappear but Kim Shin chose to fight in battle.
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aurora
December 24, 2016 at 10:31 PM
Eh? The Lady in Red is one of the deity. She is in charge of Birth and Fate. I don't think she is the God itself.
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Kdramalovers
December 25, 2016 at 9:45 AM
I think Lady in Red is also "a staff" just like Grim Reaper but more powerful.
10 years ago, Grandma said to GR that she'll took the responsibility of saving Little Eun-Tak.
So, still there is the most powerful God above them
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heradom
December 25, 2016 at 12:06 AM
i second Als below, don't really follow your first point since the butterfly is supposed to represent God with a capital G whereas our red lady granny samshin is a lesser god like our goblin, albeit a very powerful one.
For the King and Kim Shin, i was re-watching it again and i think what that short scene does reveal is that the King wasn't up for killing him at that start, which i think is important and adds a layer of complexity to their relationship. and also that our goblin was warned of the King's disillusionment with him from some time back.
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 1:22 AM
We saw the butterfly circling around him/ his sword before he came back to life and returned to the palace for revenge.
I thought that he was being resurrected/raised from the dead into a Goblin with immortal body and supernatural powers. I think only the most powerful God could do that.
The way his body was being disposed after he died was pretty cruel. He wasn't even allowed to be buried, just thrown into a buckwheat field and left to rot there. It's no wonder the Gods took pity on him.
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light
December 24, 2016 at 11:13 PM
I too have yet to fully understand the story of the king and Kim Shin. Why did the King want him dead? Why did he kill his own Queen?
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Kiara
December 24, 2016 at 11:41 PM
Rewatch the Goryeo scenes.
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heradom
December 25, 2016 at 12:10 AM
in essence, king was afraid of kim shin being more powerful than him and more loved in the eyes of the people, and suspected him of treachery. he was probably led to this conclusion by scheming power-hungry officials alongside his own fears and insecurities. queen was killed because she was the family of kim shin - sacrified because kim shin defied orders to die.
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light
December 25, 2016 at 4:24 AM
Thanks for this!
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 10:14 AM
Great explanation Gravity! Just want to add that the queen wouldn't have been implicated because she is related to Shin. She is married to the king. She is part of the king's family.
She did commit treason though when she took her brother's side and told him to defy the king's command.
(If you watch the expression on the young king's face after watching his queen encouraged Shin to approached him, he knew that she chose to die with her brother and he wouldn't be able to save her).
I hope she'd choose her husband (reaper) this time. Maybe the heavy price that grandma Samshin was talking about has something to do with it.
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cocraze
December 26, 2016 at 7:04 PM
I agree with @Gravity that the King's hand in killing Shin's soldiers and family, incl his own queen, was FORCED, both by the eunuch and to some extent, by Shin himself.
Shin, because he defied the King's orders to surrender (which was what the minion soldier announced to Shin outside the palace gates in ep1???) and shin defiantly proceeded to make his way to the King.
Initially, we viewers were all on Shin's side as it seemed unfair to label Shin a traitor after emerging from the bloody battle in ep1. But ep 8 shed some light on the conflict between the King and Shin WAY BEFORE Shin went to that last mortal battle. Presumably, he had been securing the borders and fighting the enemies on King's orders, and thus the young King was insecure and jealous of the people/his army's love for Shin. Which led to him granting that sword to Shin and telling him to go away. With this extra bit of background context to the goryeo scenes in ep1, I can understand better Shin's regret towards the innocent lives shed because of his stubborn-ness to proceed and confront the King, which to put it bluntly, didnt change anything. Kim Shin still died a traitor...
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ap
December 27, 2016 at 9:08 AM
this made me enlightened.
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14 gaeinalee
December 24, 2016 at 8:39 PM
When the ToD appeared I yelled at my screen, really TVN? This, again? I don't know why SK writers are so obsessed with ToD... *shakehead*
Overall, this episode had so much feelings, it knotted my heart.
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Rosa
December 24, 2016 at 8:41 PM
What is ToD? :o
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Moment
December 24, 2016 at 8:48 PM
Truck of Doom...
That vehicle which appears in the periphery of your vision, undoubtedly just as your favourite KDrama character is crossing the road. Usually results in amnesia or worse.
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cutesoprano
December 25, 2016 at 7:57 PM
it's an upgrade truck of doom..mostly in many kdrama, they use a white truck of doom... ahahahhhaa...
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michykdrama
December 24, 2016 at 8:54 PM
Truck of Doom. ?
But in this case it was his cousin the Bicycle from Hell actually. ? Lol.
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Lily left the valley
December 24, 2016 at 11:17 PM
The bike was the catalyst, but I also noticed the ToD was carefully cast so that it was believably heavy enough to toss a bus with its collision impact.
Now I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen a dump truck of doom before. I want to say I have, but I can't think of the drama The usually remember either standard box trucks or sometimes the flatbeds.
Has anyone started a TV Tropes page for Vehicles of Doom yet?
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Lily left the valley
December 24, 2016 at 11:19 PM
ack. "...I can't think of the drama. I usually..."
Late night posting=errors.
PakalanaPikake
December 25, 2016 at 1:07 AM
An orange Dump Truck of Doom took out Dr. Moon, fiance of resident Emergency Medicine specialist Yoon Seo-jung in ROMANTIC DOCTOR, TEACHER KIM. I think it ran a red light.
I have a dim recollection that it may have been a white Dump Truck of Doom that killed off Dr. Jin's physician girlfriend, too.
Lord Cobol
December 25, 2016 at 9:52 AM
@PakalanaPikake
For your sake I hope you don't have any clear fresh recollection of Dr Jin.
PakalanaPikake
December 26, 2016 at 1:37 AM
@14.1.2.1.3 Lord Cobol,
LOL... DR. JIN was my first Kdrama, believe it or not. Some aspects of it were actually pretty okay enough to make me check out HULU for other Korean shows... and I got thoroughly hooked on all 108 episodes of THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SU BAEK-HYANG. It was a long while before I encountered another Truck of Doom once I got hooked on sageuks. ;-)
Earlier this year I tried to go back and revisit DR. JIN... but it was too hard to watch now that I've seen some excellent shows and acting. Even so, there's a soft spot in my heart for the intrepid time-slipping neurosurgeon with a mutant Gummibär brain fetus, and the handsome Mr. Hand Towel who portrayed him -- along with a bunch of great character actors in the supporting cast. ;-)
Lily left the valley
December 26, 2016 at 9:47 PM
I haven't seen Romantic Doctor, so it probably was Dr. Jin.
Thanks for that!
PakalanaPikake
January 1, 2017 at 3:52 AM
@Lily left the valley, @Lord Cobol,
While visiting the DB recap of episode 1 of DR. JIN a couple of days ago, for a reason that now escapes me, I happened to see a screen cap of the smallish white Dump Truck of Doom that totaled Dr. Jin's girlfriend's car. It must have been seared into my memory, since it was my very first encounter with a TOD. It really took me by surprise at the time. LOL.
light
December 24, 2016 at 11:19 PM
It knotted my heart, that scene of the mother and her baby, who were right in the middle of the collision. To see that truck right in front of her...it broke me. That was an excellent and horrible scene.
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azack
December 25, 2016 at 3:54 AM
yeah.. Then listening to the groanings and the baby's broken crying just killing me.. I can't.. Huhuhuhu...
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light
December 25, 2016 at 8:24 AM
And she was holding her baby still, after the crash.
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David
December 25, 2016 at 5:26 AM
Yes, I agree, it was frighteningly well done.
That truck hit hard.
This show does both the little things and the big things really well.
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light
December 25, 2016 at 8:27 AM
It frightens me. My friends have tiny babies. Accidents are accidents but I can't imagine this happening to my friends. To anyone we love and cherish. Sorry a little emotional here.
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Mermaid Scribbler
December 26, 2016 at 11:44 AM
Those scenes scared me, too. So opposite of the peaceful moments - such a jaring scary scene - well done!
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Sojuboy
December 25, 2016 at 2:33 AM
K-Drama cannot be K-Drama without "Truck of DooM!" But, I have to give this writer some credit for faking us out. She's really deconstructing the whole K-Drama cliches and turning it on it's head.
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Playstore
December 25, 2016 at 9:42 AM
The writer and director has done an excellent job on twisting the typical scenes. Loving every minute of it.
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Lord Cobol
December 25, 2016 at 9:55 AM
Yes. One that I didn't think to comment on back at the time was the first-kiss scene at the end of ep 6, where it was the guy who had the deer-in-headlights look.
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MaireSings
December 25, 2016 at 8:51 PM
Yup. Too many TODs. Made me really careful when I was crossing streets and standing on the inside of curbs while in Seoul on my last holiday there.
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15 Napkiin
December 24, 2016 at 8:42 PM
Oh man when Kim Shin wrote the name 王黎/Wang Yeo I got so excited! Finally Grim Reaper has been given a real name!
That part where Grim Reaper's coworker gets his past memories back and runs away with his past life wife, is this a foreshadowing for present day Wang Yeo and Sunny??
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16 Cocoboo
December 24, 2016 at 8:45 PM
Finally! We got a lot of answers to our questions, but then more questions popped up. @_@ There wasn't as many comical scenes this time.
Reaper's story is the one that grabs my heart. I feel so bad for him. I want to know more of his story and for him and Sunny to have a good ending (will that be possible?).
I'm sorta resigned to the fact that this drama is mostly slow with its plot, but I still wish they would cut down the episode length to an hour.
Been loving the OST too. Really emotional songs. :)
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fay17
December 24, 2016 at 8:55 PM
Episode length is just about an hour now. The first 20 minutes are cut off scenes from previous episodes just to keep us updated on the story track.
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17 michykdrama
December 24, 2016 at 8:47 PM
Ooh I really liked this week's episodes!!
I'm surprised at the complaints of the slow plot because my favourite part of it this week was that the plot is moving! (Maybe it's just me but...)
I loved the twist and the increased stakes (fate is trying to kill her despite her fairy god-Goblin! ?), the fact that Eun Tak knows, that grim reaper is starting to get his memory back, and Granny is starting to directly meddle with Shin. I honestly expected them to dance around telling Eun Tak the truth for another week so I was pleasantly surprised. And in this case the "Noble Idoicy" that may come will be truly about Life and Death, so I really don't mind at all!
I love the layers of the mythology being peeled back and how it creates greater understanding and complications every week. And not just the angst from Shin and Eun Tak, I'm expecting the angst from Shin and Grim to hurt so good when the truth comes out.
Plus throw me more three way bromantic scenes and I'm as happy as a clam. ?
Honestly, this is a billion times better than DOTS plot wise, I'm can't wait for next week!
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fay17
December 24, 2016 at 8:50 PM
I’m surprised at the complaints of the slow plot because my favourite part of it this week was that the plot is moving! (Maybe it’s just me but…)
'That's what I thought too. Anyway everyone is entitled to their own opinion.'
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nchoe
December 24, 2016 at 9:30 PM
I personally think that the plot is indeed slow, but the writer manages to keep this show fun and interesting even though it has no major development.
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 10:17 AM
Yes it's engaging for some of us and that some hardly noticed the slow moving plot lol.
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Playstore
December 25, 2016 at 9:49 AM
It's ot just you. I'm also loving how the plot is going on along with the everyday insights to all the characters lives. It's making me more connected to the drama and anticipate the plot revelations. Loving the mythological characters under the humane aspects.
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DramaNinja
December 26, 2016 at 2:56 AM
Especially this episode. I was like, atlast we get a solid episode which is no frill(PPL aside) and here everyone is complaining about the slow plot. Last week i was considering reserving the show for later viewing, but this week has me hooked. Love all the developments and how the writer does big reveals in a understated manner.
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18 fay17
December 24, 2016 at 8:49 PM
Drawback of when you are doing commentary for a show is may be your own emotions overrule the narratives. So I do understand javabean's dilemma, just that I loved the episode, and thought it was quite tight packed and concised than last week? Sometimes you either love a drama or you don't, so rather than faulting the drama it's about personal preference may be, imo.
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 6:44 AM
That's true. It appeals to some and it doesn't to some. I love the main couple and their story. I find the reaper interesting and Sunny needs character development.
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19 kumoiwa
December 24, 2016 at 8:50 PM
What's in a name?: Wang Yeo
Grims' name is Wang Yeo, a name that tells us a lot about the person he was supposed to have been as a king and the person that he eventually became (imo of course haha not saying that I live in Kim Eun-sook's brain or anything).
The Hanja of his name are the very pretty 王黎. His personal name Yeo (黎) has the meaning of "many", as used in describing the people of a nation. He was probably named to always keep his citizens in mind, to always remember to protect them and play the role of a king well. This he did, when he trusted in Shin and sent him to pacify the borders. Stopping the ravages of a war would qualify him to be a good king for sure.
But Yeo also has the meaning of "darkness". We know that the king succumbed to his dark side when he allowed himself to be swayed by his conniving eunuch. And this very darkness that he now embodied was brought upon Goryeo when he decided to indiscriminately kill Shin, the one general he seemed to be simultaneously proud and envious of, and the love of his life, his queen Sun.
The last meaning of Yeo is "until". Now that he's a grim reaper, he needs to repent for that grave sin until the end of time. He needs to hurt so badly every time he sees Sun's portrait until the gods decide to show mercy. He needs to not remember until he's paid off his debts to both Shin and Sun. Wang Yeo needs to wait until the gods smile upon him, and they are capricious.
This really is the ultimate punishment.
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Moment
December 24, 2016 at 8:53 PM
Thanks for your perspective kumoiwa, that really added some depth right there!
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Napkiin
December 24, 2016 at 8:56 PM
Your Chinese is on point, as always!
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gaeinalee
December 24, 2016 at 9:06 PM
Thanks for the enlightenment of the meaning of our fave GR's name.
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katherine
December 24, 2016 at 9:51 PM
i actually forgot almost all my chinese, but through this drama, have been encouraged to take it up again! I wish I had had this insight during the big reveal.
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taekook
December 24, 2016 at 10:02 PM
this comment got me like a bomb haha if there were upvote you will be at top aldy XD
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 10:29 PM
Wow. It's amazing how the meaning behind his name could explain/predict the biggest moments in his life (lives?). Thank you for the knowledgeable insight!
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Lily left the valley
December 24, 2016 at 11:21 PM
Thank you for the explanation.
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Kiara
December 24, 2016 at 11:45 PM
I'm glad you didn't spoil it earlier. It was fun guessing based on the Wang clan alone.
Appreciate your translation as always.
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kumoiwa
December 25, 2016 at 1:10 AM
The name that I'd seen floating around on the internet was actually 王餘--the Hangul romanisation is the same but 餘 means "excess". Which I thought was maybe central to why he was so easily swayed by his eunuch? The young king may have felt like he was the odd one out to everyone--his people, his officials, even his wife--when placed beside Shin, and when one starts to have thoughts like that, they grow quickly.
Though I also like the choice Kim Eun-sook made in the end! They're all pretty characters with a lot of story to them.
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Kiara
December 25, 2016 at 6:22 AM
I'm impressed. Thank you for pointing it out.
Kim Eun-sook has been pretty consistent and I'm enjoying some of her choices especially with the main couple. She could've easily take it on the romance route like the main characters in her other dramas but this is something rather pure and refreshing.
I can understand why the hopeless romantics would not feel it or get into their kind of relationship.
I'm glad that the Goryeo part of the story was not based on the actual history. She did great here. It was epic and this event could've happened in Goryeo.
A young powerless king's mind is poisoned by his eunuchs and is forced to save face by doing the unthinkable to those he really loves.
Reminds me of "Age of Warriors" where the eunuchs became powerful. They were able to isolate the king from his military leaders and close family. That contributed to the military coup in 1170. Fascinating historical stuff and I thought her writing was spot on here.
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Maiia
December 25, 2016 at 1:13 AM
Woaaa thank you for explaining.. Since chinese is not my native.. Well, that makes sense now about what happened to the king
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PakalanaPikake
December 25, 2016 at 1:17 AM
@kumoiwa,
Thanks for the interpretive information on Grim's original name. What's in a name, indeed!
Before he became king, was he therefore Prince [of] Darkness?! Yikes...
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kumoiwa
December 25, 2016 at 5:03 AM
You're welcome! It's always fascinating how many stories can be conveyed in a single name heh.
Maybe we could be a lil' more positive and call him Prince [of the] People? Or at least that was the intention of his parents I suppose. I find Wang Yeo endlessly interesting because he actually comes across as trying his best to shield Shin from his very own jealousy--by telling Shin to surreptitiously die at the front lines and hence be remembered as a general (and not become a further threat to the imperial power), Wang Yeo's acknowledging that he does view Shin as a menace. By dying in the course of duty it's kind of a compromise--Shin still gets to serve the people and leave behind a fantastic legacy, while Wang Yeo gets to consolidate his power (though if he had such a eunuch by his side, not much would really go to him anyway). It almost feels like Wang Yeo was begging Shin to do the dirty job himself just so he wouldn't completely go over to the dark side.
But as we know, he did and King People became King Darkness. That's so sad and so compelling!
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Kiara
December 25, 2016 at 6:45 AM
I understand his fear and his position as king. I mean he is the Sun, the one that the people should be praising and looking up to but General Kim was unintentionally stealing his thunder and becoming that Sun among the people of Goryeo.
(I think Eun-tak's comment about him not having a brain cell is kind of true. How can he not see that back then?)
In the end he was consumed with darkness. Forced to kill his friend and queen to validate his position as king of the people.
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PakalanaPikake
December 26, 2016 at 2:12 AM
Thanks, kumoiwa, for further insights into the significance of Wang Yeo's name.
At first I didn't understand the king's order to the general to take his shiny new sword and die a glorious death in battle as a way of trying to shield his brother-in-law from his jealousy, so I'm glad you pointed it out. I got the impression that Shin thought he was being exiled from his family. I guess he was terrific as a warrior, but completely clueless when it came to politics.
The same theme of royal jealousy crops up in THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SU BAEK-HYANG, and in the Chinese film A BATTLE OF WITS.
I can't help but wonder how many able military leaders in real life have had to fall on their swords because they did too good a job and inadvertently became menaces to their royal bosses...
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kumoiwa
December 26, 2016 at 4:50 AM
@Kiara @PakalanaPikake: Exactly what I was thinking! Shin seems to have been an excellent warrior who trusted implicitly in his brother-in-law, and while that's a trait we value in modern times, I feel like Shin may have well forgotten that Wang Yeo was not merely a relative by marriage--he was also his royal liege.
There's a saying in Chinese that goes like this: 功高震主. It literally means having a level of achievement so high that it shakes the heart of your master. In ancient Chinese history at least, this has been the cause of death for many a talented official/general (as well as their families), and in Shin's case, the reason why he's an immortal goblin. It's really sad, but Wang Yeo was young and that feeling of inadequacy was so stoked by that eunuch that everything went down the path of no return. What a pity, but not uncommon in history, and I appreciate how this is one of Goblin's most compelling story threads.
Kiara
December 27, 2016 at 8:15 AM
@kumoiwa
That is so true and not uncommon in that era for a king to be concern when his people's heart are being swayed towards a general for his countless merits in protecting them. It's an honorable thing but it's a threat to a king's position.
The more we look at it from the king's perspective the more we understand him.
I think that the young king did the best he could with the situation to save them both because he knows that his eunuchs were not going to give up trying until Shin is dead.
Maybe he was trying to save him but Shin couldn't see it.
(Balancing power is very important. The queen and her general brother's combined power would equal or tipped the scale in their favour over the king).
Out of rage and concern the king told him to go as far as possible and not return.
It doesn't sound like the king wanted Shin to go and kill himself. He wanted him to leave and not return because maybe he can not protect him.
When Shin brought up his sister etc then he said "notify me of your death and I will notify you of my sorrow."
It sounds like to me that he was asking him to fake his death then notify him. He wouldn't return a message back to him if his intention was for Shin to commit suicide.
It does make sense to me from a historical point of view.
There is order in the court. The king is at the top then the prime minister, then the court officials and military leaders.
It's not fair when you look at the punishment that the king is getting based on this episode. Shin gave him no choice but to give a command to execute him and his family. For what? Honor?
He is pretty much responsible for his own death and his family as much as the king.
PakalanaPikake
January 1, 2017 at 4:54 AM
@Kiara, @kumoiwa,
Ah, after your further comments, the situation makes so much more sense. Now I understand. And it makes Shin's uncomprehending sense of honor even more tragic.
I recall reading about a famous Chinese military leader, a general or field marshal, IIRC. To assure his emperor/king that he had no intention of starting his own dynasty, he castrated himself and kept the severed member in his saddle. That really made a hair-raising impression on me.
Apropos of names: It cracks me up that Shin's nephew shares a name with actor Kim Min-jae's character in ROMANTIC DOCTOR, TEACHER KIM: nurse Park Eun-tak. At first I didn't realize it was him playing Wang Yeo.
PakalanaPikake
January 1, 2017 at 5:06 AM
Oops!
Shin's bride, not nephew. Sheesh. I don't see GOBLIN for a week and I forget who's who. Aish...
Ren
December 25, 2016 at 3:25 AM
Ah thanks Kumo for translating, insightful as always.
The Grim Reaper is such an interesting character, he's sombre, solemn and yet completely innocent all at once. I can see why he'd be attracted to Kim Sun/Sunny's character who is wholly free spirited and unpredictable. I wonder if the dark/light contrast in their names was intended, given that Sunny commented on how her nickname reflected her bright personality well.
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kumoiwa
December 25, 2016 at 4:34 AM
Yeah maybe! The "darkness" meaning actually refers to a black colour, which carries over to an adverbial derivation 黎明 (the break of dawn). So yeah, very interesting on all fronts.
I looked up Sun's name in Hanja (善) too, and while its more common meanings have to do with goodness and etc, one of its less well-known meanings is related to the chengyu 善刀而藏--literally "to hide that one is good with the sword". It's usually given as advice to not flaunt one's talent in order to avoid danger, something that I find that her brother Shin could have used. Interesting how her name can be taken to mean that, and she doesn't ever request her brother to hide his talent for winning wars in front of the king. Is it a show of her faith in Shin or the young Wang Yeo? But maybe I'm reaching here haha.
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Yoyo
December 25, 2016 at 6:06 AM
Because I suck at history....can I just go with this?
Reaper aka Wang Yeo + Sunny aka Kim Sun = Total Eclipse of The Heart.
Turn around, bright eyes. Every now and then I fall apaaaaart.
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Playstore
December 25, 2016 at 1:55 PM
I appreciate your effort. It means a lot that you're willing to share these precious informations to us who don't know them. I'm really touched as an international fan. This is exactly what I seek when I come in these fans sites.
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PakalanaPikake
December 26, 2016 at 2:41 AM
@kumoiwa, @Ren,
"Darkness" and "the break of dawn" is tickling a neuron or two... In MOON LOVERS, didn't Wang So's and Wang Wook's names have to do with (moon) light -- or dawn and dusk, or something related to light and darkness? I can't quite pull it back, darn it. But the contrast in meanings felt apropos, as I recall.
Verrry interesting re: the meaning of Sun's name. It's almost as if it were bestowed upon the wrong sibling. Realistically, I don't know how the queen could have reined in her brother's talent for protecting the kingdom. It was a no-win situation that was fomented by the poison-tongued eunuch. -- Speaking of whom, why the heck didn't he have to come back as a Grim Reaper?! His manipulations brought about so many murders. Grrr.
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 10:26 AM
They met their fate when Goblin killed them. He once said an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth is his way.
Do they deserve to be reincarnated? I don't know.
loveblossom
December 25, 2016 at 9:04 AM
@kumoiwa WOW! Thank you for this analysis! His name means so much.
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cutesoprano
December 25, 2016 at 8:01 PM
daebak..! your explanation is on point!
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ap
December 27, 2016 at 10:35 AM
i would actually click the like button 1000 times if there has any but we can only do it once even if DB staff decided to. so, i am just here to leave a comment that i/we appreciate the translation and the meaning behind it. suweg!
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20 Endo
December 24, 2016 at 8:52 PM
I just don't get the logic tho. So ET's purpose is to pull the sword? Because if she don't, shell die. But if KS die she won't have a purpose anymore right? Lol.
It's so eff up. The only guarantee that ET will make it was for KS to die. And now that she found out. I don't think she's still willing to do it. ?
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gaeinalee
December 24, 2016 at 9:04 PM
You're absolutely right. Then they would both die, one because the sword is pulled, and the other is due to no purpose of her existence in this world. Don't tell me the writer would give us ending a la Romeo and Juliet... *shudders*
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Moment
December 24, 2016 at 9:41 PM
Or even an ending à la Arang ?
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Lily left the valley
December 24, 2016 at 11:23 PM
Arang's reincarnation post script is hilarious though. It still makes me laugh when I rewatch that part. The younger actress just kills that set up before we see them as older where she's still trying to get him to remember.
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PakalanaPikake
December 25, 2016 at 1:24 AM
I figured that reborn Eun-oh was slyly busting her chops by pretending all along that he didn't remember. ;-)
gaeinalee
December 25, 2016 at 2:02 AM
Now you make me want to watch AATM again..
Moment
December 25, 2016 at 7:34 AM
I remember they were cute... Am gonna have to rewatch this now :)
Lily left the valley
December 26, 2016 at 9:52 PM
PakalanaPikake, I hadn't even thought of that but it makes perfect sense. Now it will be even funnier when I rewatch it next time.
gaeinalee
December 25, 2016 at 2:01 AM
I can accept a la AATM, but I will have hard time if it is ended a la Romeo and Juliet, I guess.
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nchoe
December 24, 2016 at 9:28 PM
Hahaha. It didn't cross my mind before, but now that you mentioned it, I think you're right. LOL.
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Gabobobobo
December 24, 2016 at 9:52 PM
LOL, I also can't stomach the logic. I imagined the God in the Goblin's universe must be a bit crazy or loved to play cruel jokes on His/Her/Its creatures.
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Cidorta
December 24, 2016 at 9:58 PM
What about none die but the Deity (old/young lady) is just testing Goblin, to see if he can make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of love, by allowing ET pull the sword, where he may die but once he goes to the after life heaven give permission to confess his love and coe back to our mortal world.
But I also wonder if our Reaper and Sunny may have some dealing in this whole thing about Goblin dying, KS became a Goblim due to the King order as well the Queen, because of them many people died, and he was killed by the sword given to him by the King at the had of his right hand man.
Does the reason the ET can pull the sword is because the person who stab to death KS was someone he care for???
To many questions, I really started watching this show knowing that KS needs to die but now aftet 8 episode I'm wishing that we get a happy ending for all our couples. They deserve a new start where they can live freely and be happy they all have suffered enough that they deserve happiness and and forgiveness.
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Lord Cobol
December 24, 2016 at 11:16 PM
I think ET only dies if she fails her purpose (perhaps even as punishment for failing and messing with Fate?). If she fulfills her purpose she can go happily-ever-after on her way, or at least as happy as she can be without him.
Example: I might say my fate is to write this post. The only way I don't post it is if I drop dead right now. But I don't necessarily drop dead after I post it.
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Playstore
December 26, 2016 at 4:53 AM
Your example is on point. Wish my science books had similar standard on setting out examples ?
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 7:02 AM
Right, she doesn't need to die if she fulfill her purpose. He shouldn't die either (at least not right away) if pulling the sword would end his immortality.
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alasecond
December 25, 2016 at 2:50 AM
The biggest illogical thing in this world is existence of God!..
So for a capricious god... plz don't expect logic.. just satisfaction of his whims and fancies.. until he decides otherwise
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ap
December 27, 2016 at 10:39 AM
me too. does even Eun tak deserves this kind of punishment? lol.
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21 Sweety
December 24, 2016 at 8:54 PM
I am in love with this show! I am hoping for a good ending, something like when the sword is pulled, goblin becomes a mortal again and they all live happily ever after, please!!!
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 9:38 PM
*sigh* same. But why do I feel like that IS too much to ask for??? ???
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22 rochinipark
December 24, 2016 at 8:56 PM
PPL overload today. The publicist of the Truck of Doom should be happy or sad it only appeared in a premonition when it could have been real and caused alot of damage.
And come to think of it the DaePyoNim, Eun tak said previously, when Goblin saw into the future must be Deok Hwa then. I was thinking maybe it would be Goblin himself. But with the Samshin Grandma saying both cannot be alive at the same time it must be Deok Hwa.
I really do hope more screentime is given to Sunny to explore her character, I think she is quite eccentric.
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Lily left the valley
December 24, 2016 at 11:25 PM
True, ToD didn't cause a lot of damage, but ToD's absence did cause a lot of paperwork.
Those poor Grims.
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CrimeFighter
December 25, 2016 at 10:57 AM
I foresee the paperwork on why the souls are not 'collected' : Due to meddling from Goblin.
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23 Cez
December 24, 2016 at 8:58 PM
It's probably just me but I don't see the chemistry between Eun Tak and Kim Shin. It's unlike Grim Reaper and Sunny's OTP that I always look forward to. Grim Reaper's character in love is so endearing to look at. I hope they will have more screentime together.
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Rigby
December 25, 2016 at 11:21 PM
I finally found at least one who is with me, and yeah me too I just cant see the chemistry with them! Tbh I am religiously watching the drama hoping that I would at least feel something from them starting from ep1 but it is really hard on me to force myself to feel it. That is why I know where JB is coming from...but of course I am watching this because I like fantasy, but....
I can only see ET and KS as siblings...
And yea I look forward even more for Sunny and Grim's scene! I hope they will have more screen time together in the future eps
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24 celine
December 24, 2016 at 8:58 PM
I think my favorite episodes now are Ep 7 and 8. I like how we finally got developments on the story front. I agree with how JB feels about wanting the story to get a move on but without completely sacrificing the comedy and little moments because I do like them too.
There were so many wonderful scenes in this episode. My faves would be Shin revealing to Grim that it's his sister's portrait, the bus accident, Shin sending out a lantern, and the conversation between Samshin Grandma and Shin.
The cinematography and effects in this drama are seriously A+. Truly movie-like and I just love how wonderful the scenes are depicted. The editing though still feels off/jarring at times.
Excited for next week's episodes.
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Snowy
December 26, 2016 at 10:57 PM
"The editing though still feels off/jarring at times."
THIS. I was looking for a comment on the editing, finally found one. Scene quality is good but then they tend to inject scenes without good transitions!! Spoils the overall impact of the show. An example would be when JET sang at a wedding. They injected the scene randomly and it was confusing and awkward.
PPL was kinda meh, too. I get that the production needed sponsorship but it was too much. I found myself cringing when KS gave the sandwich to the suicidal dad.
Storywise, we got very good revelations in episode 8.. finally. After the story dragged for 8 episodes. I liked the Goblin-JET love line at first, but now I'm just like "can you just please get it over and done with?"
I like GR and Sunny's love line better. Probably because their interactions are fresh. Can't call because no business card. Lol. Called 10 times to say he doesn't have a religion. Hahaha that really cracked me up. I just hope they can retain the freshness and that it won't turn into a snoozefest like Goblin-JET.
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mehungie
December 27, 2016 at 2:26 PM
Agreed on the topnotch cinematography (and the choppy editing too). The lantern scene stood out to me as well, especially after having seen the lantern festival scene in Moonlight Drawn By Clouds. What a stark contrast in between two scenes relaying the same act.
In Moonlight, it's a festival full of people cheerfully releasing lanterns together, each carrying their best wishes. The sky was adorned with colorful lights and our OTP prominently in the foreground in vibrant hanboks.
In Goblin, it couldn't have been more different. A lonely goblin, made even smaller in a vast temple ground covered in snow. His one lantern carried his deepest regrets. Even all the colors had been drawn out of his world at that moment, just the white lantern and white snow against darkness.
Both scenes are beautiful and powerful in their own way.
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25 Abha
December 24, 2016 at 9:16 PM
Is grandfather's secretary the enunch reincarnated?
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Kiara
December 25, 2016 at 12:39 AM
I believe so even if he is being played by a different actor.
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ywcnois
December 25, 2016 at 3:34 AM
I think it would be pretty unfair if the King was gravely punished, while the eunuch just got reincarnated to have an (apparently) fairly good life.
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heradom
December 25, 2016 at 4:20 AM
Well the eunuch did get divine retribution by shin strangling him as opposed to dying of old age. While the eunuch was a scheming piece of shit, the blame could fall more on the king if he allowed his insecurities to get better of him with the eunuch as an exacerbating factor, especially given that the king is the one who should have realise shin's loyalty to him. Will be exciting to see how this all plays out though!
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Kiara
December 25, 2016 at 12:29 PM
True, Shin got to take revenge on the eunuchs but the king died before he could take his revenge and he is the one who is going to pay a heavy price for his past. He ordered their execution when he should have saved them.
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LeenieWeenieChileBeanie
December 26, 2016 at 10:55 AM
That's what I'm thinking, but they haven't foreshadowed it enough for me to be confident in that opinion. What little clues they've left point me in that direction, though:
1. The actor playing the secretary looks quite similar to the one that played the eunuch. So much so that people keep mistaking them as the same person.
2. They've dropped a bit of his unsavory past into the story (he was a loan shark before becoming a secretary).
3. In one of the trailers (one of the ones that never quite play out in the next available episode) he's shown hanging out outside of Shin's house, pondering the fact that Shin never seems to grow older. Not a good sign.
Also, I'm wondering what role ET's brainy fellow student will play. They're setting her up for something bigger, or they wouldn't have dropped as much of her into the story as they have.
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cocraze
December 26, 2016 at 7:19 PM
I had that same "Uh-oh" thought when they showed the secretary's scene outside Shin's house, wondering to himself about "a man who never ages". But I also initially thought that he was one of those touched by one of Shin's miracles, that the secretary is one of those "who were given a second chance at life, and allowed to turn away from an life of evil". This was spoken about by Chairman Yoo just right before his secretary scene.
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tesshan
December 28, 2016 at 6:41 AM
Was thinking about the brainy student as well. What if she had something to do with the death of the girl ET sees in the library?
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26 nchoe
December 24, 2016 at 9:24 PM
Wow... just wow... I didn't expect the story would turn out this way...
For the first time in forever, Shin is deeply in love with someone, but that someone will die eventually if he chooses to stay alive. Oh... what an agony. Now... this is kind of angst that I can sympathize with. Before, no matter how hard I tried to feel Shin's pain, I just couldn't. I mean, I understand his reason for choosing death in the end as he saw in Eun-tak's future, but that reason is not powerful enough for me with Eun-tak in the picture now.
I'm still pretty sure that this story will end up with happy ending, but I can't help worrying our main couple anyway... which means that the writer is doing something great. (It's very rare for me worrying the main leads in K-Dramas, especially when the writer is known for happy ending stories... which makes watching drama less fun. There's something exciting when a drama makes me keep on the edge of my seat.)
Thank you, Javabeans for your fast recap, even though it's holiday... :)
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27 Lalaland
December 24, 2016 at 9:24 PM
The problem with this writer is that she's got a great pitch but no substance nor skills to carry it out. Always a banging couple of pilot episodes (see DOTS), then things just start to deteriorate from there. What a waste of a good premise. But at least, she seems to be trying out different things, not just recycle stuffs like someone else over at LOTBS. To be fair, the cast is doing a fairly good job but there's only so much you can do with a story that's got no emotional core, but merely ideas of how emotions work.
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amoeba
December 24, 2016 at 9:40 PM
I agree. The premise of the writer's shows are all great but perhaps the deterioration (in pace) is due to the lack of time/manpower (and the need to add ppl) to write a consistent good script. The main cast in this show is great though, down to the Deok Wah actor. I cannot say that for all her shows.
I really wish the main otp's relationship was not some predetermined thing though. It didn't feel very organic. I dropped lotbs because of that, but the acting in Goblin are the reasons why I still like this show.
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Gabobobobo
December 24, 2016 at 9:57 PM
I couldn't agree more with you. I also found the premise interesting. But, the execution seems hollow. The visual is grandeur, though.
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missjb
December 24, 2016 at 10:10 PM
I agree though there is so much you can do with this kind of script. It's good idea, but there is no emotional core nor substance.
But for me, , put Kim Go Eun as exception, there is no one between 4 lead who can carry this drama with their acting with a thin characteristics. Same with LOTBS.
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heradom
December 25, 2016 at 1:06 AM
Actually I've always felt that KES's writing was never about substance but about stylistic moods and feelings. The many lyrical monologues of the goblin and snappy dialogues between goblin/reaper are evidence of this, as are the multiple scenes of pregnant pauses. Style is not something that can carry the whole drama, but a style-focused drama which is paired with a good director that can actually carry out such a vision shouldn't necessarily be criticized for lack of plot when it isn't the focus. It's not a close example but what pops to mind is something like the importance of being earnest where the point is not the plot but the stylistic sleights of hand that Wilde does. What remains is whether the premise and style is enough to draw you in i think. For the record I reallllly disliked all of the writer's old stuff but this ticks all my boxes with gods and mythical creatures. And of course it's not wrong to prefer shows with tighter plot, just offering a different perspective
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Kiara
December 25, 2016 at 12:32 PM
At least we know what to expect from her.
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drawde2000
December 25, 2016 at 3:41 AM
Korek ka dyan!!! (You are correct).
I am watching the drama now just for curiosity. I am not taking it seriously as I did with Episode 1. I am willing to skip few scenes and still managed to understand what's happening.
This drama is pure CFs. Episode 8 was just to blatant about it. So, I think I'm done with this show for the moment. Until, I seeTumblr posts of the next episode.?
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ap
December 27, 2016 at 10:46 AM
ay kapwa noypi!
i also managed to understand what's happening since i use to skip few scenes since beanies are doing a great interpretation for everything and such. just love reading comments and then further think and understand their depths.
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hananiarashi
December 25, 2016 at 5:30 AM
I totally agree. It all seems like a dazzling and awesome spectacle - great actors, fab cinematography, poetic shots, big-budget setups - but somehow all these tricks do not work. The characters are crazy, goofy, cute, but they (with the exception of GR) are not relatable and fail to elicit the proper audience response. Eun-Tak, with her sob story, should be our gateway, our main connection, but somehow she seems vague and distant. I actually find her obnoxious at times. And in an effort to make the Goblin adorable, he has been turned into a goofy teddy bear cartoon character/caricature, who every now and then shifts into poetry-spouting emo mode. It all seems very interesting but is actually ineffective. I honestly think it's a waste of the actor's sex appeal. I think more hotness and mystery and less goofiness and desperation for the male lead could still save the show.
I think this show and LOTBS suffer from the same flaws - convoluted plots but no proper characterization and no real substance. Meanwhile, 1% of Something, which is simple, cliche, and most probably low-budget, at least relatively, works because it follows the formula and it does so very, very well.
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28 hanie
December 24, 2016 at 9:29 PM
Thanks you for the recap~
Merry Christmas and happly holiday to you~
Do you get your Subway fix today?
Subway, the food of choice even to deity, otherworldly and cheabol~
lol
I thought K2 was bad enough, but nooo...Subway decides to one-up itself. I was snickering so loud at that scene even my cats were suprised to hear it. Today episode is abundence with PPLs and lingering shots that are a bit longer than necessary but I'm glad we get major movement in plot, at last.
And I guess this ep confirms that GR is King and Sunny is Queen. But I do wonder what's with GR expression when he hears Sunny real name tho? Probably just work hazard related expression?
And I wonder if KS truly buys that GR probably just remembering Queen as one of souls he dealt in the past. I wish KS seriously thinks about the probability that GR is King cause I wants to see how their relationship will change. And I dont understand Granny's plan making them meet each other again. They cant be together anyways. Ohh the sadness when Gr finally knows/remembers (I'm pretty sure that is in the plot). Will they serve as the mechanism in bringing KS/JET together and have their happy ending? Or for KS to finally forgives everyone and himself and move on with ease? GR still pulling my heart string but I finally get KS/JET pairing. Sorry I'm late to that ship. teehee~
Now that JET knows the truth and KS is force to makes a decisison, next eps probably will be full of angst. I hope neither of them pulling that noble idiocy moves cause we have life and death decision to be made.*panic mode on*
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cocraze
December 26, 2016 at 7:31 PM
I think for now, KS is too preoccupied with his own dilemma to think too deeply about why Grim Reaper (GR) recognised his sister's portrait.
He had been looking for his sister for 900+ years, without any clue. Maybe until he actually sees GR's reaction in person, or sees Sunny and/or the jade ring, will he join some of the dots together. Or maybe EunTak will describe Shin's 'white dragon' sword and it will somehow strike a note with GR's consciousness?
Or at some other time, when chatting with GR on their otherworldly matters, maybe Shin start to question why GR is allowed to retain/regain certain memories.
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29 klesis
December 24, 2016 at 9:37 PM
Does Subway sponsor ALL dramas???
It just seemed like the PPL was waay overkill this week, not just in Goblin. I am recalling the necklace stuff in Romantic Teacher Kim too, among other PPLs. I'm not usually annoyed by PPLs, more amused, but the repetitive Subway appearances are becoming a bit much. I didn't even watch K2....haha
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30 CencenChr
December 24, 2016 at 9:38 PM
Now i like 2 soundtracks in this drama, the electric guitar one (ending soundtrack) & soundtrack on love scene between Shin & ET.
I was hoping this drama was also preproduced like DotS. It's weird if they are waiting for ratings & viewers' comments to shoot upcoming scenes.
DotS was preproduced & i like it a lot.
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31 katherine
December 24, 2016 at 9:53 PM
This episode was full of revelations, and I'm so scared about what that means for our plot and especially our character dynamics. What's going to happen to our cute little family now? AHHHH I really hope KES has her game together and is able to unravel a happy ending that makes sense as well!
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 10:38 PM
Yes! So many questions answered in this episode and yet so many more questions popping up now... can our cute little family end up happily together–all together in their happy mansion home? It'll be Sunny, Grims, Shin, Eun-tak and yes, even Deok-hwa! They can cook, eat, clean, watch dramas and fold laundry together! They can all go on double (triple, if Deok-hwa has a boo thang, too) dates to the movies to watch rom coms bc I have a feeling our other macho man won't be able to handle scary movies, either. ?
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Moment
December 25, 2016 at 2:18 PM
I would watch 100 hours of this drama!
Deokhwa can bring his card :)
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 11:39 PM
Lol, u rite. His card ? is his boo thang.
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cocraze
December 26, 2016 at 7:53 PM
I think SungJae (actor who plays DeukHwa) admitted in the press conference that he wished he had a loveline.... which means he didnt have any in the script, i guess?
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32 Sixtyone
December 24, 2016 at 9:54 PM
This episode got me thinking of Harry Potter and Voldemort, 'No one can't live while the other survive' mode in a Romeo n Juliette package.
But, I love it. It finally answer my question about the sword ghosting n materializing, about Sunny n Grim, though this raises another question, how they're going to wrap Sn n GR love story.
About KS n ET, I somehow thought that in the end, the both will show up in GR's tea room, face the after life together, n stair up to heaven.
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Sixtyone
December 25, 2016 at 12:34 AM
*One can't
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Sweety
December 25, 2016 at 11:03 AM
Also, the goblin "marked" her as his own (just like voldemort did Harry) :D
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33 Sd
December 24, 2016 at 9:56 PM
I somehow agree with your recap - I feel like I should like this show more. It's has all the ingredients that should do it for me - good set up, great actors and an overall melancholy mood that I know I love - but the romance is still not in the air for me. I don't feel "the feels" for the lack of a better way to put it
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light
December 24, 2016 at 11:28 PM
I don't feel the feels either. What a pity as I want to feel it. I now depend the feels from the King and Queen's story. If there was a romance to begin with. But the Reaper's story is drawing me in. Am a new fan of Lee Dong Wook. In the beginning of the drama, I half thought that Eun Tak's mother would be a great candidate for Kim Shin's love interest in a world without Eun Tak as the love interest. I guess a woman can dream. I am not paid thousands or millions foe writing a script. Lol.
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Tamara
December 25, 2016 at 1:23 PM
I totally agree that the Reaper/Sunny storyline is much more compelling than the Goblin/Bride pairing. And like Javabeans, I've been wondering why that is.
It's not that Lee Dong-Wook is outshining everyone else, because I think all of the actors are doing great jobs with the roles they've been given. It's not that the Reaper's character is more interesting or loveable than the others, because they all have their flaws and their adorable quirks (though Candy Girl Eun Tak could use some oomph).
I think what it boils down to is the huge obstacles to happiness the Reaper and Sunny are doomed to face, compared to the minor concerns of the main pair.
The Goblin and his Bride didn't have much reason to dance around each other for so long. They're not forbidden from falling in love. Nothing terrible will happen if they do. They get together, she gives him eternal rest, she's sad for a while. So what?
But my heart breaks to think about what will happen to the poor Reaper when he gives in to his feelings and touches Sunny. He'll see her past life, and he'll possibly remember who he is and what he did (which is what I imagine happened to that other reaper who ran off with his wife). He'll relive the crushing pain and guilt of murdering the woman he loves. Happily-ever-after is so tantalizingly close, but reaching out to grasp it will send him into the depths of hell.
Thinking about my favorite romances in Dramaland, they all had high stakes like this. The characters faced big, painful obstacles to be together. They had to betray their families and friends, sacrifice their social statuses and codes of honor, overcome fate or even the laws of time and space. The Reaper and Sunny are drowning in obstacles. The Goblin and Eun Tak...meh. They're cute, and that's it.
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light
December 25, 2016 at 9:58 PM
This is so sad. Lovers either overcome obstacles or drown and disappear.
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hanie
December 26, 2016 at 5:06 PM
awww~you put it beautifully and reading it makes me sadder
I still wonder what is Granny's grand plan for Reaper/Sunny & when she sis they will pay dearly for it, in ep3. I thought him being a grim reaper is a punishment and atonement for what he did in his previous life. Isnt it enough? Why makes them meet each other again when it is clear they still cant be together.
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eunice
December 25, 2016 at 9:23 AM
same here. i don't get "the feels" and euntak's character isn't relatable. the romance between her and goblin... i feel like something's missing but i can't figure out what is it. not age difference certainly.
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Kiara
December 26, 2016 at 1:31 AM
She is the most relatable to me out of all the other characters. especially when she was living with her aunt. I can't relate to a Goblin, reaper or even Sunny.
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mexmax
December 25, 2016 at 3:37 PM
I agree. I also don't buy their love, and I really really want to. On the other hand, I'm totally sold on Grim Reaper's and Sunny's relationship. It's partly because I can sense the powerful attraction on BOTH sides. Conversely, I can't always follow ET's emotions. I have trouble telling how much of her attraction to Goblin is because of Goblin himself, and not because of her personal longing for a family or because acting as his bride gives purpose to her life (i.e. being the bride gives her life meaning). I think those are interesting and valid questions, but the show doesn't explore them fully. Also, did she ever properly responded to Goblin calling himself her boyfriend?
Anyways, I feel like Goblin and ET's relationship resembles a older brother-younger sister relationship more so than it does a romantic one.
Speaking of siblings, why have Goblin and Sunny NOT met?
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cutesoprano
December 25, 2016 at 8:15 PM
the more i watch this drama, the more it reminded me of disney's animation : Beauty and the beast..
ahahahhaa.. with a lot more problematic stories..
honestly, i alse prefer a love line between Sunny and GR.. i don't really like the love line between KS and ET.. but what i love most, is the boys,, it always cracks me up wherever deok hwa, GR and KS are together.. hahahahaha...
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kimchikay
December 25, 2016 at 10:36 PM
Agreed!!
I've never wanted to love a show so bad because this genre, actors/actresses, music, visuals…pretty much everything is what I generally like and gravitate towards but it's lacking something….like depth, or substance? There's not enough build-up to anything - Goblin/Eun Tak romance feels very superficial, beyond age difference, I just don't get it between them and I think that may be the big reason…also plot pacing…it the past 2 episodes pretty much felt exactly the same..it isn't till the very end of this one that we've FINALLY received new information….I think that's another frustrating part of the show….
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Elssie
December 26, 2016 at 4:15 AM
+100
Globin and bride have been going in circles for episodes and saying things that make v little sense if you look beyond the pretty directing. I just go 'huh' too many times when they speak to each other, even his poetic pining has no meaning sometimes. Or maybe their feelings would make more sense if the pacing and story structure was shifted around better, idk. I want to love them but it's hard :(
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34 berries
December 24, 2016 at 9:56 PM
2 choose 1?:(
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35 chingu
December 24, 2016 at 10:02 PM
ALAS, most of our FAQs have been answered! But now that Granny officially appeared in front of Shin and gave him a talking to, shit's really going down now and I don't know how I feel about that and what I'm going to do.
This week's episodes have been really intense. While I don't mind the mundane, daily interactions and conversations in this show, I'm just SO GLAD there was actual plot movement throughout this ep and it didn't wait to happen in the final moments of the episode, like how it's been for the past few eps.
The ppl was ridiculous and out of hand in this ep, but it is what it is. I'm just glad they make sense... for the most part. This show makes up for it by adding the extremely obnoxious ones (almost always the Subway ones) to meaningful scenes. Gotta give it to them to make sure everyone's always in awe when they hold a Subway, like it's what they've been yearning for all their life or it's the Best Thing Ever. Can't believe all it took to bribe Deok-hwa was a Subway! Yeah right. But that moment when his expression changed when he read Shin's journal entry... I wonder if he would've told her the details if she didn't cut him off and brushed it off so fast.
Anyways, I got a kick out of watching the blatant ppls (or more like CFs) of Shin being in retail (so funny!) and using the same pitch for every product because that was such a clever way of using ppl AND having Gong Yoo, the companies' rl spoke model, friggin' model and advertise their products, all the while letting us know that he has, in fact, worked before, FYI. I'm guessing there's a quota that the show has to meet for every brand per ep, right?
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36 endo
December 24, 2016 at 10:16 PM
You know what's more insane than PPLs? It's the people buying the products. First, that book of poems. Then the bears cake (ep7) was all over instagram with a picture of it while watching ep8. Haha! It's crayyyy.
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 10:45 PM
So it's working! Aha. I'd prob get the Bears cake too, tbh. ? What about Subway? Today, when I drove past a Subway, I told my sister, "Y'know, they could film a Korean drama there." I think one of these days, I'll snap a photo of myself eating a Subway and watching a K-drama. Heck, I'll prob eat the sandwich and watch a K-drama IN the Subway! ... what? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! ??♀️
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dramalava
December 25, 2016 at 2:21 AM
Wouldn't it be something if across the world there was an explosion of people in subways buying sandwiches and watching dramas? I wonder if at that time they will offer a Kim Shin special lol
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Moment
December 25, 2016 at 7:40 AM
Kim Shin special rosemary steak sub, with a Reaper salad on the side.
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endo
December 25, 2016 at 3:10 AM
No subway for me. Even if GY asked me to eat it, i wont. We'll compromise on Baskin Robbins or Olive BBQ Chicken. Or that bottled water. Lol.
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Playstore
December 25, 2016 at 10:17 AM
exactly that's how i feel. I'm like "Omo I'm eating what goblin ahjussi ate!"
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Sparky
December 25, 2016 at 7:09 PM
I'd like to see Goblin on Groundhog Day-- He gets stuck in a loop where every time he goes through a doorway to teleport, he ends up in a Subway sandwich shop. Although the last few episodes have come dangerously close to that, LOL. (Help, I'm stuck in a commercial and I can't get out!!)
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Moment
December 25, 2016 at 7:38 AM
Now that book of poems is something I could get behind.. I read some English translations of his poetry and was blown away. Having trouble finding it though!
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Hanajeje
December 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM
Hahhahahaha... I did go to subway because of goblin... Many people are there... Really I should just ask them whether they re there because of goblin... Thinking of going to baskin n Robbin next ....
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37 memyselfandi
December 24, 2016 at 10:33 PM
I like the pace of the show. Maybe because I have to read subtitles and the long pauses give me a chance to actually look at the scenery. It's poignant and funny at the same time. I'm sorry Javabeans isn't feeling the emotion because usually we are on the same page with our reactions which makes her recaps especially enjoyable to read. But, it happens.
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heradom
December 25, 2016 at 8:10 PM
Omg yes except for me i identify a lot with girlfriday's perspectives and this time it's a double whammy that both javabeans and girlfriday don't feel emotionally connected to the drama whereas I'm in so deep. It's the first time it has happened where our views differ so much so getting use to it is disconcerting, although of course as you say it would have happened eventually haha
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38 lunatic4kd
December 24, 2016 at 10:42 PM
You know what? Personally, I am 100% ready for total melodrama and angst and a tragically sad but beautifully executed ending. I find myself getting really annoyed with the sweet, sappy, saccharine endings to show that would be perfect if the endings were more soul-stabbing. I'm still recovering from the wrong ending to Moonlight Drawn by Clouds when I was all ready for the Crown Prince to die sweetly in Ra-on's arms, with her smiling beatifically at him. They could have stuck with history and made it splendid. Anyway, I digress.
The depth and beauty of Goblin is the mythology and pain and loss of love. I absolutely LOVE the double twist now that both want the other to live but one must die. WOW - does that ever ramp up the intensity. In the hands of the right writer-nom, this could be an epic story that doesn't hesitate to wring every tear out of us. This one could do it. It really could. Or, if it doesn't chose to go the full melo route, at least have the ending be not so sick sweet. I'm just thinking what an impact two dramas watched in my very first month of drama watching, "A Love to Kill" and "La Dolce Vita" (Lee Dong Wook's best role ever). Those two dramas were tragedies on an epic scale and they tore me apart and put me back together again with the realization that I had fallen in love with Korean dramas. Please, Goblin, take us into the depths of the passionate and dark world of these four souls and bring us safely back out again. The raw potential for this drama to be stupendous rocks me to my core. I want to go there. NOW.
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lunatic4kd
December 24, 2016 at 10:46 PM
"writer-nom", of course..and "choose", not chose. Writing quickly and almost teary eyed = typos every time. *sigh*
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lunatic4kd
December 24, 2016 at 10:47 PM
aaaarrrrggghhh..."writer nim"...dang autocorrect wants nom. Time to go to sleep. Night all.
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chingu
December 24, 2016 at 10:54 PM
Geez. I wasn't ready and quite frankly, I'm still not, but your comment is slowly making me feel like I can be ready for a beautifully tragic ending... wait. No, not yet. Still not ready.
But I agree with you in regards to ultimately getting a tragic (*sigh* if we must), but beautiful and satisfying ending to this show.
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slvr1
December 25, 2016 at 12:24 AM
Your choice of Dramas (A Love to kill etc.) is so similar to mine! Are there any other epic melodramas you can recommend? :) Thanks!
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lunatic4kd
December 25, 2016 at 10:55 AM
@SLVR, I've been trying to think of more in the past four years of watching more than 200 k-dramas and the ones that come to mind are this year's Marriage Contract (Uee absolutely stunned me!!), the movie "Secretly Greatly" with a brilliant dramatic performance by Kim Soo Hyun, The Snow Queen with Hyun Bin (not 100% sad), Padam Padam, Kang Goo's Story (2 episodes- also with Lee Dong Wook), and Slave Hunters/Chuno with Jung Hyuk (epic drama!). Tree With Deep Roots and Gaksital also grabbed me.
Truthfully, there aren't that many, but I also haven't watched many of the classics I keep hearing about, like Old Boy, Story of a Man and Giant. LDW's La Dolce Vita still reigns for me as the one k-drama that sent me sobbing out of my house at midnight and running down the sidewalk until I could hug a tree and cry my eyes out. WOW - what a drama! Not for the faint of heart - just for those who crave the big FEELZ.
The American movie that grabbed my heart many many years ago and still gets me as THE most romantic and tragic movie of all time is The Last of the Mohicans with Daniel Day Lewis. Also coming close is Legends of the Fall with Brad Pitt. There's just something about a sweeping, tragic love story that gets me....OH!!! "Dangerous Liaisons" with Michelle Pfeiffer and John Malkovich. That's all I can come up with for now. Goblin has the potential - no doubt about it.
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gongblin
December 25, 2016 at 7:58 PM
I recommend Jibeuro/The Way Home (2002), my all-time favorite movie when I'm in the mood for melo!
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Kiara
December 25, 2016 at 12:24 AM
“La Dolce Vita” (Lee Dong Wook’s best role ever) written by the master himself Jung Ha-yeon. I love love love and miss him because he turned inexperienced actors with his script into actors with real potential or with newly discovered talents.
Unfortunately Kim Eun-sook is nowhere near Jung's caliber but I'm enjoying her characters in this genre.
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missjb
December 25, 2016 at 2:25 AM
You speak my mind.. I'm so sick of many drama that start with so much potential into the depth of emotional roller coaster but only end up underwhelming into more simplistic story for the sake of public acceptance.
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hanie
December 25, 2016 at 3:50 AM
While reading the initial news and summary of this drama I already anticipating that the ending probably will be tragic and beautiful and we need to reach out to kleenex whether they are willing to sponsor this site & its commenters.
However I also remember who is the main writer for this drama and I dont think tragic ending is in her mind tbh. If I were to use her past dramas as a baseline it probably happ ending with big bow on it. Hopefully it will be satisfactory and poignant.
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39 Min
December 24, 2016 at 10:53 PM
Gosh, all the PPL's in this episode just urghhhh.. From the Subway, Iloom, Olive Chicken to the towel. Seriously, it is too much! Remind me of the annoying Rio alcoholic drink in Chinese dramas that I usually watch =.='
Anyway, I agree with most of you who said the plot move suuuuuuuuuper slow. I was like, dammit, can we just get rid of the sword and go one with the aftermath? I guess now we are going to see either one of the character (or maybe both) doing noble idoicy to protect the other person..
And please, can we see more of Reaper's backstory? I mean, it such a waste of casting Yoo In Na when she barely appear less than 10 minutes in every episode...
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40 Lord Cobol
December 24, 2016 at 10:58 PM
Meta or just coincidence? Reaper looks at the queen's portrait and asks "Who are you?", part of the title of her 2015 show with Duk-hwa / Yook Sung-jae. It made sense in the story for him to ask that.
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endo
December 25, 2016 at 3:14 AM
How about when KS asked ET to open her eyes after that kiss and she said "it's open"? Reminded me of Hong Seol whom they pertained to have weird eyes in CITT.Lol.
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 10:38 AM
Ha, that was SO CUTE! I loved that part and she does that cute giggle-laugh she always does–gah, I wonder if Gong Yoo finds her adorable when she does those small gestures and "noises," the same way that Park Hae-jin couldn't contain himself when she played drunk in the Cheese teaser and both the boys caught her face with their hands. But speaking of Cheese! Idk if it's the subs I read or if she really said it, but in the last ep, when Eun-tak was watching Shin eating the Subway, she said something along the lines of: "I was caught in the trap..." so I was like, ?? then when Shin saw Tae-hee oppa and was all, something something "piano," I was like, omg! ANOTHER CHEESE REFERENCE!? Ahaha!
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 10:31 AM
Just taking a stab ? at this, but I'm gonna say coincidence! Although, good eye/ear! ??????I spotted a few meta-filled lines in last ep, though!
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41 Sparky
December 24, 2016 at 11:02 PM
I'm hoping for happy endings for all. Here is how I would do it--Reaper/King gets his memories back and receives forgiveness from the Goblin. Then, with Goblin's help, the king runs off with his queen. Then, in order to save his bride, Goblin chooses death and has Reaper wipe her memory. But because Goblin died saving her and he resolved his centuries-old grudge toward the king with love and forgiveness, he is granted a mortal life. But he has to go away. So he goes to Quebec City and waits until she's 29, knowing that she will be there. And so, it is him as a mortal who meets her in the restaurant. Happy ending all around. Totally in love with this show, and loving every minute (even the Subway scenes, LOL)
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Lord Cobol
December 24, 2016 at 11:25 PM
Reaper running off with Sunny makes sense. They put in the story about the other reaper running off with his ex specifically to make us think that.
As for the rest -- I think you're getting too close. They might have to launch a campaign to erase your post and the memories of everyone who saw it. You know they have the resources :)
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 10:41 AM
Lololol! I was just gonna say, "wow! That's really good AND it could happen!" Oh noes! ???
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rambutan
December 24, 2016 at 11:39 PM
The oracle says once the sword is pulled out, Shin will return to ashes. Does it mean he dies instantly or he starts ageing instantly, grow old and die like other mortals? If the latter, there will be a happy ending.
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Kiara
December 25, 2016 at 12:30 AM
I don't think it's going to be an instant death. It's so vague that it's leaving us a tiny bit of hope for a happy ending.
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Lord Cobol
December 25, 2016 at 10:11 AM
Pulling the sword leaves a huge hole in in chest... which they plug with a Subway to stop the bleeding. I mean, it's a huge sword, so a Subway would just about fit :)
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 10:44 AM
Omg, stawp!!! ???
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Moment
December 25, 2016 at 2:28 PM
???
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Sparky
December 25, 2016 at 4:39 PM
LOL!! That sandwich will need to be loaded with extra veggies.
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Lily
December 25, 2016 at 7:46 PM
This! ??
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Sook
December 26, 2016 at 11:00 PM
Brilliant!
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Bobbie
December 24, 2016 at 11:41 PM
YES! OMG, and the scene at 29... is the final scene of the series. Human Kim Shin walks in as CEO, sits in front of her, they smile at each other. Sentimental voiceover begins, about their journey, how even if memories are lost they'll find each other again as it's destiny blah blah, of first loves and second chances and Goblins and brides and deities etc. Then both look out of the window wistfully at the sky. Camera shoots them from outside, pans out into landscape and... "chossarang iottda (it was first love)." The end.
I wouldn't mind that ending at all.
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 10:43 AM
?????? beautiful! Sounds good to me! ??????
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nchoe
December 25, 2016 at 2:52 PM
But Eun-tak will be amnesiac then... T_T
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42 Growingbeautifully
December 24, 2016 at 11:08 PM
Thank JB! Happy and Healthy Christmas to All!
The thing about this show that is different from lots of other kdramas, is that it's meant to be more character driven than plot driven. The main focus is how the characters, given a second chance, slowly discover who and what they are, realise how they are to live, what recompense they need to make and how to resolve the tragedy of their ends of their past. In the process they also have to take into account that they have a present and that other lives are now at stake in their present lives' resolutions.
With this in mind, the show is moving along well in character revelation and development. The great bonus is that we get so many genuinely funny scenes and unexpected twists, fun and growing relationships and a interesting back story to our main protagonists. Also, we have got very relatable, 'human' and likable characters, eventhough they have powers.
What I'm very grateful for is the supernatural element whose logic has so far been consistent and whose pieces fit well or hang well together. After so many shows where logic fails and holes don't get plugged, it's such a relief to know that I can mostly follow 'how things work' in this story universe. Enough is shown, enough is told.
Actually I find it understandable and expected, or even natural, ... what with their lives that were not meant to be, in the now (ie Shin was dead and Eun Tak should not have survived), that the solution to their fated/fateful coming together would be death of one or of both. How the story gets written to include the appropriate twists, so that instead, both can survive, is the crux I'll (and I'm guessing most of us warm-hearted viewers) be looking for! :D
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haru207
December 24, 2016 at 11:59 PM
I agree. Not to bring down Kim Eun Seok, but plot is not her strong point in writing, and I say this having seen her previous works. Instead, she's much better on the character development and in particular the relationship building. Perhaps because I went in this drama with a fond memory of DOTS, I didn't have high expectation in terms of a swept-off-my-feet kind of plot and instead only hoped it'd be a highly entertaining show, and so far it had delivered, so I'm satisfied.
It could be argued that the grand scale of backdrops (as was the case in DOTS) and the fantasy supernatural elements here seemed quite gratuitous at times, but I think it lends the characters' actions an interesting sense of tension and pathos, and for now that is enough to keep me invested in this show.
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Lulu
December 25, 2016 at 6:33 AM
The thing about character driven stories is that you have to like the characters or be truly interested in them to enjoy the narrative. Like Javabeans, the only one that really sparks my interest is the Reaper, so is hard to care for all those long scenes delving into ET's and KS's emotions.
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43 Keya
December 24, 2016 at 11:16 PM
So I posted something on Instagram about subways saving lives (referencing to this episode) and Subways started following me on INSTAGRAM!!! WHY?!?! Did they miss the blatant sarcasm?!?
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Lily left the valley
December 24, 2016 at 11:29 PM
Maybe they want to keep an eye on you in case you hire a ToD to run into one of their locations?
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hanie
December 25, 2016 at 3:53 AM
lmao...
they takes everything as publicity~
your post makes me wanna try it out
hahaha
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44 Kendi
December 24, 2016 at 11:26 PM
Ugh I hate that premise, I've dealt with it on Mirror of The Witch and I can already image the ending.
Eun Tak dying and on her last moment, she pulled the sword and they died together after even bigger accident compare to this episode.
Next, they were sitting next to each other on the tearoom. Reaper offered them the tea while KS and ET stared at each other, smiling. We're left with the ambiguity whether they drink it or not.
Credit rolls with a big giant Subway logo after that.
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45 Lord Cobol
December 24, 2016 at 11:26 PM
Another parallel with Legend of the Blue Sea. In addition to dual eras & reincarnations, we have lead characters jealous of themselves.
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Kendi
December 25, 2016 at 12:30 AM
The share another common thing, romance that has no sparks.
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 10:45 AM
OOoooooohhhhh burrrrrnnnn! Ouch.
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 10:47 AM
Yes! I noticed that, too! I love that part and I can't wait for Eun-tak to find out that SHE'S Shin's first love. ❤️ In other words, he better tell her himself or else Grims will! ??
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46 secretdream
December 24, 2016 at 11:41 PM
it will be more interesting if kim shin meet sunny (kim sun)
together with grim reaper
i wonder what will three of them feel
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47 haru207
December 24, 2016 at 11:45 PM
I do concur with javabeans that the show has been quite draggy at times (and of course the fluctuating episode lengths do not help either), and that the highlights of the show are often its comedic moments (which strongly reminded me of DOTS, particularly on the bromance front). That said, I was actually quite impressed with this episode, with the way the plot moved on all fronts and the developments of our main characters, including Deok-hwa (more on him later). In fact, this might be my favourite episode to date.
I really like the way they’ve been interspersing the Goryeo scenes with the current storyline, and that scene with the King gifting Shin the sword was quite poignant. When Eun Tak asked Shin about how the sword ended up lodged in him like that, he had replied that it was done by someone he’d never have expected to (like some sort of back-stabbing). Back then, I took it at face value and thinking he was just referring to how it was his right hand man who had stab him in order to preserve his honour, similar to the Japanese way of seppuku. But now that I know it was the King who gave him the sword with such conflicting feelings, accompanied by the grave command, it gave Shin’s reply to Eun Tak a whole different dimension.
It seems like Shin had once respected the King or at least they had a somewhat closer relationship, since the King was also his brother-in-law, and was therefore both his king and family. But the King, young as he was and with the weight of a country on his shoulders, got consumed by darkness, fed by his own insecurity and feelings of inadequacy, all of which Shin was wholly unware of. So his ‘betrayal’ was all the more surprising to Shin. It was the King who gave him the sword asking him to not return aka ‘die’, and it was also by the King’s order later on (demanding Shin’s execution) that forced Shin to kill himself using the same sword. It thus feels like Shin was in fact referencing the King when he told Eun Tak of the ‘back-stabbing’. That is why almost a thousand years later, the King still remains in Shin’s heart. It’s not merely resentment for being the person who ‘killed’ him, because that blame can also be laid on the conniving eunuch’s shoulders, and such resentment wouldn’t have lasted this long anyway. But the King remains in his thoughts because his feelings for that person were much more complex.
The bromance between our Goblin and the Reaper has been a wild ride of fun, but when you add the Reaper’s past life into the mix, it makes their relationship almost tragic. I’m anticipating the moment when both of them realize their true connection to each other, and how their relationship will change as a result. I somehow hope they might be able to resolve past conflicts and remain the best buddies/roommates they’ve grown into so far.
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haru207
December 24, 2016 at 11:47 PM
(cont.)
Speaking of the Reaper, I really enjoy how he has been portrayed by Lee Dong Wook so far. This is actually the first time I’ve seen LDW act, even though I knew who he was (Strong Heart anyone?). Although that whole bus crash scene was rather over-the-top (especially after the previous one at the end of ep7), I loved the pathos it gave to the relationship between Goblin and Reaper, and of course what it meant for Eun Tak as well. That scene when our Reaper unconsciously waved back at Eun Tak, and his dawning realization of what it means about Eun Tak being there: If she’s in the bus, then that definitely means the accident won’t happen, because he is certain Goblin would prevent it. All of that even before he saw Shin across the road. It was great! Then their conversation in the ‘tea shop’, about Shin’s willingness to interfere with humans’ life and death just to protect Eun Tak, and how that will impact Reaper’s job (and by extension his colleagues). Although Reaper grumbled about the paperwork, just like how he has resigned himself to the fact that Eun Tak will remain as a ‘Missing Person’, he chose not to berate Shin heavily about what he just did—creating an army of missing persons—and instead just accepted it without much protest. Our dear Reaper hasn’t realized how much he has grown to care about both Shin and Eun Tak, even if his words speak otherwise.
Last but not least, I also really liked the development of Deok-hwa in this episode, and for that I would also give major props to Yook Sung Jae. Deok-hwa in this episode has really stepped in into the role of Goblin’s caretaker, particularly with the way he handled the aftermath of the car crashes, funny as it was. Before he was mostly the petulant snobby ‘nephew’, a comedic relief character, although there were some moments of depth. But throughout this episode, he’s starting to see Shin with new eyes, beyond simply viewing him as ‘that crazy uncle of mine’ with supernatural powers. He learns the Goblin’s real name, that he has a younger sister, about the sword, the debts he carries in his heart after all these years, and of Shin’s weariness with life via his letter/will. I love that shift in his eyes from being all jokey into a somber look when he reads what the letter says. In that moment I saw that for the first time, Deok-hwa finally gets a true glimpse of his uncle’s innermost thoughts, and oh how heavy they were.
Part of why Deok-hwa has been so impertinent with Shin and resisted being his ‘servant’ for so long was due to this lack of understanding of who his ‘uncle’ really is. Deok-hwa has always absorbed the otherworldly elements of his two ‘uncles’ quite well, but this episode introduces a new gravitas to his view of Shin.
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haru207
December 24, 2016 at 11:48 PM
(last one, promise)
He’s not just a petty Goblin who makes the sky rain sometimes with his mood swings, but a person incredibly weary with life at times, saddled with all these memories of loved ones he can never forget. Suddenly his ability to summon gold (or give out a credit card) seems like nothing compared to what he has gone through the past 900+ years. That said, I’m not exactly hoping Deok-hwa will become all servient and “my Lord” like his grandpa, but I am interested to see the subtle ways his interactions with Shin will change as a result of this new understanding. I trust that Sung Jae will be able to be able to carry this out.
Phew, that was…really long. First time commenting on this site despite being a follower for years, so pardon my long thoughts.
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pollyanna
December 25, 2016 at 2:32 AM
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Mas Azman
December 25, 2016 at 4:49 AM
Clever ...thank youu..
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gongblin
December 25, 2016 at 5:36 AM
First time commenting on this site too! I loved reading your comments, somehow you've spurred me to type a reply after following this site for years. Hope to read more of your analysis on future recaps!
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chingu
December 25, 2016 at 10:56 AM
Dang! Yes, please do comment more. I loved and read everything you posted. I also loved that moment when Grims unconsciously waved back at Eun-tak because he IS growing fond of her and Shin and although they might not tell each other their true feelings, I'm so glad we're in on it and we get to know.
I loved that change in Deok-hwa's expression after he read his uncle's journal entry and that's the side of him that I'd love to see more of, too!
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Issen
December 25, 2016 at 4:11 PM
Really liked your comment. I was wondering if anyone else was going to comment about Deok Hwa. The way he suddenly sobered up when he read Kim Shin's words, and the look in his eyes when he watched the sky balloon being prepared and launched, I felt that he was beginning to understand more about their family secret. For that matter, while I'm quite happy to let the Goblin and Grim Reaper's stories unfold slooowly, I'm pretty curious about Deok Hwa's family. Did they build a fortune overseas, then go back to Korea? All the while 'hiding' their weird and capricious guardian? Where are DH's parents?
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Iamastonished
December 26, 2016 at 7:56 PM
Great take
When Deok-hwa says it a sad confession of love and En Tak takes away the book childishly and says in so many words- of course he must have meet an unforgettable woman, his first love in 900 years and Deok-hwahe says Only one! that cracked me up. Like how many first loves can you have?
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cocraze
December 27, 2016 at 5:54 AM
+10000! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I also loved DeokHwa's character development in this episode. And I agree that the more he uncovers more about his "uncle", the more he will care about him in a more personal way, rather than as "provider of my card"! Hahaha!
At the end of ep 8, I think Reaper's willingness to shed the truth about EunTak pulling the sword out, tells us a lot about his deepening relationship with her. Previously, she was just a "missing person" to be hunted down. Then she became someone he saved and became acquaintances with. Then, housemates, sharing his laundry folding duties and meals, gossiping and running to her for help in accepting Sunny's phonecall (no doubt with some blackmailing involved). He had previously respected Shin's decision to keep the truth from her, but we see that he is plagued by his own conscience as he knows how devastated EunTak would be, so he keeps checking and re-asking Shin to be truthful. However, I noticed that it wasn't exactly clear that Reaper verbally TOLD EunTak the truth. It could have been just EunTak asking questions and Reaper saying "But I promised Shin i would not say anything". But EunTak probably needled her answers out of Reaper by asking some really pointed questions and reading the lines in-between anyway.
What I wanted to say was, it was such a warm and nice development between all our 5 main characters so far. And I hope that no matter how many ugly truths and underlying past reincarnations/relationships are revealed, they will grow stronger...
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48 ck1Oz
December 25, 2016 at 12:08 AM
Can someone ask Subway what's their marketing budget? It seems bigger than Lotte. And even bigger than Samsung. It eclipses everything else. I tell you what; the next time I am in Seoul I would go to a bl**dy subway shop to see their menu. Cos ' I don't love it here in Australia- what the heck bread types and sandwiche fillings do they serve there? Cos' the meatballs and whatever heck they serve here is ergh. I would rather eat a gimbap or ramen. Or jeon. Or bread from Paris Baguette.
Basically anything other than Subway. Somebody, anybody- who the heck owns the Subway franchise in South Korea? Makes me think some stupid chaebol relative actually has the license and is blackmailing all the production house to feature it. Or else.... they would pull all their ads in whatever you- know- store...
Am so sick of it would rather watch a Samsung phone PPL. Back in the good 'ol days of PPL.
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ck1Oz
December 25, 2016 at 12:10 AM
I mean the OTP could be having a delicious Korean meal... on screen. Or a classy dinner. But then your rich chaebol suddenly buys a Subway sandwich. Or a fashionable man eating his lunch- instead he is having a soft drink... and a Subway sandwich.
It just drags down the whole ambiance and mood of the scene. Don't you think?
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pollyanna
December 25, 2016 at 2:34 AM
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49 Viki
December 25, 2016 at 12:26 AM
I actually never thought of this drama being draggy. I love that it's long because there's more to watch!
I love everything about this show so far and I can't wait to see how they will pull the next part of the story on...I hate melos! It's like the Goblin has cancer and is about to die soon...but with a fantasy element!
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50 Barbrey
December 25, 2016 at 1:02 AM
I totally agree with Javabeans about the pacing and trying too hard sentimentality. I like the premise and twists but hate the constant flashbacks of scenes we've seen already, KGE's 'cuteness' thing, and the general dragginess. I'm not feeling the romance between either couple yet. I'll give it a few more episodes before giving up.
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