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Cheese in the Trap: Episode 9

It’s an important day for our couple, who make big strides in their relationship that needed making. Of course, they’re not all super-adorable happy strides, but sometimes we have to weather a rough patch to get to more adorableness, right? I do really enjoy that this drama features our couple’s relationship as a work in progress, as something that requires growth as much as it results in growth, so that when we do hit bumps, I feel like we’re still heading somewhere. A somewhere that isn’t round in circles, I mean. Those kinds of travels are much less entertaining, and thankfully absent from Cheese in the Trap thus far.

 
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EPISODE 9 RECAP

Seol nods off on her subway commute, and dreams she’s on campus as her friends crowd around Copycat Min-soo, treating her like she’s Seol. They ignore Seol on the sidelines calling out that she’s the real one, and then even Jung leaves her side to sling an arm around Min-soo, calling her Seol. Ack, that just feels so wrong. Stoppit.

Seol calls after them plaintively, “She’s not me! Where are you going? Don’t go!” as they leave her behind.

She awakens cranky from the dream and gets crankier at a call from Stalker Boy Young-gon. She ignores him, so he decides that she’ll have to see his text exchanges with Jung firsthand to realize who the real bad guy is.

“I wish you’d open your eyes,” he says. “Open your eyes, Seol!”

Seol repeats that refrain to herself: “Even if small things come rushing at you in ripples, they’re only ripples. Like everyone does, you can endure them.”

So she puts on her endurance face when she sees Copycat Min-soo in the library, pushing past stoically. When Young-gon tries to stop her to talk, she runs away before he can succeed. Then she confronts Sunbae Sang-chul for his continued slacking on their class project, and he sweaaaaaars he’ll send his assignment in this time.

“But if ripples keep hitting a person,” she thinks wearily, “you can’t just keep enduring.” When Sang-chul misses yet another deadline, she deletes his name from the team report.

Sang-chul comes to class on presentation day full of lame apologies but expecting to jump into the presentation anyway. He flips his lid when he sees his name is gone, ranting like Seol’s the evil one for being mean, causing a ruckus.

Seol stands her ground and her group backs her up, but Sang-chul keeps bellowing at them to put his name back until Jung warns that the professor’s on her way. Sang-chul accuses him of taking his girlfriend’s side, but Jung wishes the group well and joins his group.

Jung notices Copycat Min-soo staring at the picture she secretly snapped of Seol’s brother Joon, now her phone wallpaper. To make sure, he asks her for the time and watches as she checks her phone, noting the photo.

The professor arrives and presentations begin—aptly enough, on business leadership—starting with Seol’s group. Sang-chul sits miserably in his seat while his group presents, and the professor just notes the team change and comments that people don’t change easily. It’s an appropriate remark for Sang-chul, though I’m proud of Seol for being an example of the contrary.

Then Jung’s group presents, and when Min-soo steps up for her segment, Bora and Seol sit up in alarm—her material is stolen from their project last year. Seol sits with a pounding heart, thinking that making an issue of this now could get very uncomfortable for everyone.

“But,” she thinks, growing angrier, “I don’t want to have more of myself stolen away.” When the professor opens it up to class questions, she speaks up, asking if Min-soo did this work herself. It’s a bold question and Min-soo gets huffy, going so far to suggest that Seol has a personal grudge against her. But Seol points out a typo she’d made last year, which is also in Min-soo’s slide.

The professor steps in to say that Min-soo did an outstanding job on her presentation… unless the accusation is correct and she stole her work. She calls in Min-soo, Seol, and Bora to her office after class.

There’s a flurry of accusations among teammates after class, and Seol thinks that while she expected this to cause talk, she’s tired of people thinking they could treat her this way.

Min-soo tells her group defensively that Jung helped her with all the materials (aha!), but Jung says calmly that he only told her what site to look at—anyone with sense would have known better than to rip off something wholesale.

Even the girl who’d taken Min-soo’s side before, Da-young (Stalker Boy’s girlfriend), snaps at her now for messing up their group project. Da-young says everyone’s calling her Faux-Seol and doesn’t bat an eyelash when Min-soo bursts out that she’s not copying Seol and runs out in tears.

Da-young turns to Seol next, saying she’s scary and unnecessarily mean, exposing Min-soo publicly rather than quietly. Bora snaps back and pulls Seol away while Da-young keeps sniping.

In-ha shows up on campus and gets into an argument at the convenience store over prices, until a nerdy student just pays the difference to get her out of the way. She sizes him up, smelling potential money, and turns on the charm, turning Nerdy starry-eyed.

He’s one of Jung’s teammates, and when In-ha asks if he knows Jung or where he is, Nerdy points off into the distance at Jung’s girlfriend and tells In-ha she would know better.

In-ha’s eyes sharpen and Nerdy wisely excuses himself as she goes after the girlfriend, who turns out to be Faux-Seol, ha! In-ha trips Min-soo, offers “help” up by yanking her hair, then chases after her when Min-soo tries to scamper off. Muahaha. I find it extra delightful that Min-soo’s impersonation is turning on her, since this is what we call being hoisted by one’s own petard.

In-ha warns that anyone dating Jung has to get her permission first, and her tirade is only stopped by In-ho, who happens by to witness the scene. He darts in and picks up In-ha around the middle, running away with her while In-ha continues yelling curses backward. Min-soo is left bewildered, having really the most terrible day (that I don’t feel bad for in the least).

In-ha complains about Jung kicking her out of her apartment, and In-ho does feel a burst of indignation over that until In-ha adds that she was only given 10 million won (around 10,000 dollars), which she’s already spent most of instead of finding a new place to live in. He tells her not to come back to campus and go shopping instead, while she whines that she can’t shop without money.

Seol speaks with her class professor about the presentation, then runs to meet Jung. They’re both thrilled to finally get a moment to with each other and hug for a long while, saying they’ve both missed each other. She apologizes for speaking up about his group project, but he assures her it’s fine.

Holding her, Jung sighs happily, “I feel like I can live now.” She says, “Me too.”

Then he adds, “We only seen each other a short while and we have to split again. I feel like dying.” Seol sighs, “Me too.” Finally, they manage to part ways after making plans to see each other later tonight.

Stalker Young-gon finally corners Seol, holding up his phone tauntingly and insisting she has to realize Jung’s true nature. Seol isn’t interested, but at his pestering, she takes a look—and reads all those texts, hearing them in Jung’s voice.

She snatches the phone out of Young-gon’s hands, races inside the building, and holds the door closed while calling that number. “I have to confirm it,” she thinks. “I don’t know what it is, but I have to check.”

It’s In-ha who answers, and she refuses to identify herself before her caller does. So Seol gives her name—and In-ha recognizes it, cackling at the coincidence. She declares, “I’m Jung’s girlfriend. I hear you seem to think you’re his girlfriend, but delusion is a disease. Why don’t you try going to a mental hospital?”

The fight goes out of Seol, and Young-gon shoves open the door, chirping that the girl is Jung’s other girlfriend.

So later when Jung tries calling from the office, he gets no answer. When he runs into his father, Dad has a few words of wisdom for him: That the real world isn’t easy, that it shows you that you aren’t the center of the universe, and that there are things you can’t control. Sounds obvious, but I wonder if those are thinks Jung needs to learn.

As Seol heads over to meet Jung that night, her mind is awash in confusion, trying to make sense of the call. She tells herself not to be too quick to trust Young-gon or In-ha—first, she has to check with Jung himself.

He’s waiting for her, looking cheerful until he sees that she’s upset about something. Seol reminds him of her incident with Young-gon last year, and tells him about seeing the text messages from Young-gon. Did he really send them?

His face falls and he doesn’t answer immediately. She prods, and he replies, “Yes, that’s right.”

That’s a blow, and she fights tears as she asks why In-ha answered the phone and called herself his girlfriend. He says In-ha was just playing a prank because she’s upset with Jung, and while Seol doesn’t seem totally convinced, she moves on to the more problematic part—where he seemed to be actively egging Young-gon on to stalk her.

Jung apologizes, saying he takes full responsibility for his mistake, not knowing Young-gon would react that way. But Seol doesn’t believe that and presses repeatedly: “You didn’t know? You really didn’t know?” To herself, she thinks that it’s not true—Jung disliked her last year, and wouldn’t have sent those messages without a reason.

Jung says that she has a right to be angry, but Young-gon is purposely doing this to get between them. He asks her not to get caught by Young-gon’s intentions, saying that it’s all in the past.

She notes that he hasn’t changed at all, that he’s just like he was with the TA situation, and really presses him to answer whether he’s told her the whole truth. He asks what she wants him to say. She wonders to herself, “What kind of person are you?”

In-ho walks by after his piano practice, and stops to recognize Jung and Seol standing in the middle of the sidewalk. After grumbling that they’re fighting again, he turns back the other way, feeling like he can’t interrupt.

Seol suggests that they both “take some time,” which makes Jung look stricken. She says she can’t understand him: “I want to go closer to you, but I can’t. This time, please give it deep thought.”

She heads off, leaving him stunned and staring after her.

In-ho is torn between feeling sympathy for Seol, knowing that Jung is likely to have put her through some heartache, and telling himself this is their business and none of his concern.

Jung comes home to find In-ha waiting in front of his door with suitcase in tow, airily informing him she’ll be crashing with him since it’s his fault she got kicked out of her apartment. He calls her bluff about taking it up with his father, since telling him she spent all her money is likely to wear on Dad’s patience as well, which forces her to backpedal.

She uses Seol’s name to get his attention, having figured out that the girl who called today was the same girl he’d had her text last year. She offers to get rid of Seol again, calling her a wad of gum for being stuck to his side, and Jung barely holds onto his simmering temper as he says In-ha is the gum stuck to him, not Seol.

In-ha warns that she won’t be easy to get rid of, and Jung tells her to give it a try if she wants. Seething, he says with difficulty, “Right now, I’m using all my strength to hold back because of what you did today—know that.” He advises her not to hang around the people around him and shoves past her, leaving her locked out of the building.

Having swiped In-ha’s phone, Jung reads the additional texts she’d sent to Young-gon, which it doesn’t look like he’s read till now. And yeah, they’re pretty bad: “You know girls say they don’t like something even when they do, right? Seol likes you back but she’s just playing hard to get. You look really good together, so keep pushing.” He throws the phone in the sink and turns on the water. Sorry, buddy, guilt doesn’t drown that way.

Seol struggles with her feelings, trying to figure out if Jung’s true nature is what she thought last year, and if she’s being fooled now. Moreover, could she break up with him now?

In the morning, Jung tries to write Seol a few messages but ends up deleting the ones that say “I miss you” and “About yesterday…” In the end, she gets one that says simply, “Good luck on your test.”

She’s surprised to find In-ho outside waiting for her, since he’s also on his way to school. Aw, he’s there to cheer her up, isn’t he? He hands her a beverage and tells her it’s the best thing for when you fight with your boyfriend, then plays it like he was joking and happened to be right. In-ho pesters her for details, offering himself as the Jung expert, Seol snaps at him, and they’re back to bickering in no time.

When Seol arrives for her midterm, Young-gon is there to ask if she’s broken up with Jung yet, texting that he’s the only one who really cares about her feelings. She ignores him, and Young-gun turns his attention to Min-soo, asking if she’s apologized to Seol yet for stealing her report and launching into a whole speech, probably formulating the next phase in his plan to annoy Seol into loving him. It’s… not a good plan, but Young-gon is not a smart boy.

While waiting for his lesson, In-ho goofs off on the piano and is caught by his teacher, tired of his basic exercises. His teacher says he’s going to graduate him from Hanon today and In-ho leaps for the new music… only to complain when he sees it’s only “Fur Elise.” Of course, the instant his teacher snatches the music away, In-ho’s all over it, since he’s all about the reverse psychology.

After the midterm exam ends, Min-soo goes up to Seol and apologizes for copying her report, while Young-gon snickers in the background. I swear, this guy is the real-life incarnation of an internet troll, who lives for the lulz. Seol is initially mollified at the apology, until she sees her lion charm hanging from Min-soo’s bag, which reminds her that this isn’t only about the report.

Min-soo gets indignant to have her apology fall flat, and marches back to Young-gon and his girlfriend Da-young, exclaiming loudly how unfair this is. Da-young sniffs that Seol is being pretty uppity, making it sound like she’s being unreasonable in thinking Min-soo’s copying her style.

Min-soo’s thankful for her support and expresses envy over Da-young having a boyfriend (…yes, but it’s Young-gon). Da-young says Min-soo’s is cute too, referring to the picture on her cell phone. So Min-soo finds herself going with it and fabricating a story about her adorable younger boyfriend and how doting he is. “It’s not a lie,” she tells herself, “since I could end up dating him.” Um… back away slowly, folks. Back away.

Not-boyfriend Joon is, at the moment, hanging out on campus with Seol’s friendly hoobae Ah-young, and they’re certainly quite flirty. He’s tired of studying abroad and has taken to the idea of going to school here, and tells Ah-young he thought of her a lot while he was away, and even calls himself her boyfriend. Since she wanted a date with Jung not long ago I’m guessing they’re not quite official, but she does seem to flirt back.

Young-gon spies on Seol while she’s studying in the library, taking secret photos of her and leering like a super creeper. When she gets up for a break, he sidles over to her seat and takes a picture of her agenda, then plays innocent when she returns to grab her stuff.

He chases her outside and insists on talking, harping on how Jung’s a total jerk… and over in the bushes, Bora and Eun-taek surreptitiously take video of the exchange. Young-gon makes a case for himself as boyfriend material, promising to dump Da-young soon, saying he was only using her to ingratiate himself with the others.

In-ho ambles by and crouches down with the friends, wondering what they’re doing. They hurriedly shush him, and when Young-gon calls Seol a sly fox, Eun-taek has to hold him back from going after the punk. They want the money shot and keep filming as Young-gon tries to grab Seol’s wrist, then goes for a full-on hug—and In-ho bursts out of the bushes and launches himself at Young-gon, chasing him off. Aw, his interference cuts off the last part of the video, but I have to say it makes me love him extra hard.

Afterward, In-ho hears that the friends planned the scene to gather evidence and scoffs at Seol for thinking up such a risky plan. He insists on staying to walk her back, and offers to teach her self-defense: “No, that’s too weak. Learn weaponry.” Haha.

Seol brings up the idea of In-ho taking his high school equivalency exam, then attending university and learning piano. In-ho dismisses it right away, since he’s never been much of a student.

Seol asks how close Jung and In-ha were, noting that they seem to be in touch regularly. In-ho replies, “That’s the extent of it.” He assures her that they’re definitely not dating, so she needn’t worry about that. When Seol says the siblings are quite similar for looking pretty and talking coarsely, In-ho balks and says his sister is super scary, advising Seol to run if she ever sees her coming. And if she can’t run, then go for the hair.

In-ho gets a message from his sister, and it sends him running. She shows up outside his place, begging for a place to crash, acting the pathetic victim. She’s full of complaints at his messy place (though I notice she accepts readily), then sees the piano books on his table and deliberately spills ramyun on them. He jumps to salvage the books while she mocks him for being a former prodigy who’s still dreaming.

In-ho wonders how she turned out this way, and she asks back, “How do you think things turned out this way? Things were really nice in the past.”

Flashback. It’s high school, and a couple of guys apologize insincerely for losing Jung’s nice fountain pen. It’s In-ho who gets worked up on Jung’s behalf, while Jung wants it to blow over and just says it’s fine. So the guys sneer at In-ho for picking fights for no reason, and In-ho asks indignantly how long Jung will act the pushover: “Doesn’t it make you angry?”

Jung replies that it’s easier if he just takes it, but In-ho insists that Jung should fight back if something like this ever happens again, promising to cover him. Jung’s surprised at the idea of fighting but In-ho assures him that he could take them if he tried. So Jung slaps In-ho’s cheek lightly and says, “You said to hit,” and the two friends start laughing. Urg, it’s so sweet to see how they once were that it pinches to know it’s no longer.

Some time later, the siblings are setting off fireworks, and Jung says it must be nice to be them, doing as they please. In-ho tells him to live more freely, and when Jung wonders what they’ll be doing in ten years, he replies that he’ll be playing piano and Jung will inherit the company.

“But we’ll all still be together, won’t we?” In-ho figures. The three light more fireworks, then stand around watching the sparks fly, laughing together.

Jung comes home and turns on the lights, thinking of Seol saying that she doesn’t understand him and that she wants them to take time. He flicks the lights off, standing there in the dark. “At first I thought you were like me, so I liked you.” Lights on. “But we’re quite different.” Lights off.

In the morning, In-ho nags his sister to go to classes and get her certificate so she can start earning a living. It’s in one ear and out another with her, and she reaches for her phone to kick off Step 1 of her plan, which happens to involve Nerdy, whom she “runs into” again on campus and finagles into promise of a meal. But when she asks for information about Young-gon and where to find him, Nerdy looks annoyed and excuses himself, hurrying off quickly. Haha.

In-ha manages fine on her own, though, and texts Young-gon’s phone, calling herself Jung’s real girlfriend. His furtive texting makes his girlfriend suspicious, and she demands to see his phone while he insists on keeping it from her. Watching from nearby, In-ha figures this is enough for Step 1, smirking that her result will be even bigger than Jung can expect.

Seol walks into class with her friends, and a sunbae calls out to the empty seat near him, which is next to Jung. Uncomfortably, she steers her friends to seats in the front, which gets noticed by everyone, who wonder if they’ve broken up already.

Seol excuses herself for a coffee break, feeling awkward, and tenses to see Jung heading toward her… but he passes right by without saying a word, beelining for the vending machine.

Feelings hurt, Seol’s pretty glum as she steps out of the restroom—but there he is, waiting with a drink in hand, which he offers her.

She declines it and continues on, and Jung holds onto her arm, drawing her quietly into a hug.

 
COMMENTS

Aw, that’s sweet, and maybe the only kind of thing Jung could have done in this situation—offer up a gesture for reconciliation without the excuses or explanations, because frankly he doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on this time. It’s one of those things where “I didn’t mean for you to get into that much trouble” doesn’t hold much weight, no matter how true and sincere that statement, since it comes with the tacit statement “…although okay, I did mean to get you into some trouble.”

I do believe when Jung says he didn’t realize things would get so far out of hand, but I also feel Seol’s skepticism that he must have had some idea things could go askew. Perhaps the more accurate statement is that he didn’t really care until she confronted him about it last year, at which point he swiftly stepped in and sent Young-gon away, and he felt in his wayward sense of justice that he’d set everything to rights. But this is a case where he has to accept the blame for the whole situation without trying to excise himself from part of it, because that just sounds like he’s still trying to defend himself when he distinction is less important than the overlying issue: He did mean her ill will, and she did suffer.

And no matter how regretful he feels now—and I do believe that he feels regretful—I have to join Seol in wondering what he’s really like. Maybe he’s sorry because she’s upset and because she was hurt by it, but does he get it? Does he connect the dots and see exactly why she’s angry, or is he only addressing the symptom of her anger and not the root of the problem, where he often crosses the line in meting out what he thinks is justice?

Also like Seol, I worry that he hasn’t changed even after meeting her, because we saw him stepping in to sabotage Min-soo, although perhaps it’s more accurate to say help her sabotage herself. He gave her just enough rope to hang herself with, and Min-soo fell right into it; like all the previous instances, it was the other person who behaved badly and caused their own downfall, but he certainly manipulated circumstances to ensure that it would happen.

The thing is, I feel like Jung is trying very hard to do as Seol wants, but I still don’t know if the reasons for her desires click in his brain. I SO want for him to get it, so that he’ll learn to trust people again and not hold back all his feelings and turn into some freakishly smart robot with Jedi mind-tricking abilities. And every time he comes close, then shows another glimmer of that darkness, I feel the same sinking feeling that Seol does and worry that he’ll never change.

So it makes sense (and I like) that their rift didn’t come about from some random third party playing interference, but what was already there between them. It was the truth in Young-gon’s accusation that was the problem, that Jung encouraged him intending him to act on it, and not all the crazy other stuff flying around. I like that in this drama, the usual suspects—jealous exes, meddling third wheels, vindictive crazies—aren’t really threats to the couple’s stability. What’ll get them is the real stuff between them, of trust and faith and all that hard relationship stuff.

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I have no knowledge at all about the webtoon. However in reading the comments here, folks have mentioned there are multiple seasons and one is currently ongoing. Does anyone know if the writers of the tv show are condensing the seasons into one? If the webtoon has not concluded is the show going to create its own ending or is there mention of tvN making this into a multi-season show? This was not a drama on my radar so I did not keep up with press releases. I have thoroughly enjoyed the recaps and seeing the fervor in the comments section made me want to watch the show now :)

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The webtoon writer has allowed the drama to create its own ending; the webtoon will continue after the drama has ended and the two may end up going to showing different events and having a slightly different conclusion.

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The webtoon will take a loooong time before we reach the end. There's just so much content than what we are seeing here. But I'm looking forward to this ending

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Thanks for the reply.

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Oh no wonder the adaptation is so good! Any adaptation that allows the writer/author of the original to take part in the production always equals to a well-made adaption that fans will love!!!

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I know, right? Especially when they know their characters so well and they realize it's a different art medium and adjust accordingly.

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And how I wished they had done that with Orange Marmalade and Boys over Flower (Jan Di was a weak version of Tsukushi)

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For what i heard, Sunnki (webtoon writer) is also part of the writing in this drama so maybe we can see a slight same ending between the webtoon and the drama itself. Also the way they are pacing the drama, they are mixing up the seasons, some scenes from season 3 then followed by some season 1 so yeah they are condensing it (by flashbacks and Sang chul arc)

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Yes, she said it'll be.

Which I take to mean that if drama Seol ends up with Inho, it won't be Jung in the web toon and vice versa. So the conclusion, while different, won't be in a totally different vein. That's my understanding of what she said.

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Oohhhhhh thats interesting to hear that, i hope the ending would be good even though it would be different from the webtoons. I hate to see a sh*tty ending to a really amazing drama

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at start : i know webtoon so i can predict everthing....

Now: due to mixing of all seasons.. i know the events just don't know when it will happen(the one who came up with this idea is brillient)..
ending is anybodys guess(which makes it even more exciting hehe)...

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lol@ the appropriateness of your name

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There's 4 season of this webtoon and 3 season already completed. If I remember correctly the drama already reaching the event from season 3, and there's still many importanf event from that season to follow.

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Hello! Webtoon take much more time/chapters than dramas episodes, everything happens so fast on screen. The drama is already entering season 3 (to have a idea) and no they didn't skip anything from the webtoon, it just things on screen are much faster than reading

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I think the most important to take away from this is that Seol has a freaking backbone and I love it when she snarks and defends herself when she needs to. No heroic moment for Jung or In ho to step in Seol can take care of herself and I love this aspect about her character so much.

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THIS.

Today was Team Seol day all the way!

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It just shows how good character development goes so far, like Seol is easily one the most relatable and best female characters I have seen in a kdrama the reply series being the exception. And this episode she just owns up to everything thats been bothering her and confronts it, its just refreshing and satisfying. Loved it.

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Praise the lord! Please, writer-nims, create more heroines like Seol.

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Amen and Amen.

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ameeeeeeeeeeennnn....

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Amen, Amen

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I'll add my pleas to yours - heroines with personal growth <3

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YESS this. I know most of the discussion has been focused on Jung (I'm guilty of that too), but Seol is the heart of this drama. I love her so much. And Kim Go-eun is absolutely rocking it.

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Couldn't agree moreeee ^^,,,Kim Go Eun's acting is JJang here,,I do really like her acting when she confirmed whether Jung did lead young gun to her or not last year,,it's just her tears and her facial expression is so natural,,not too exaggerate and not to shallow,,,I do even believe Park Hye Jin held his tears back while he saw her like that,,,

now I know why the writer insisted to get Go Eun as Seol :)

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Kim Go-eun was one of the actresses on my wishlist for Seol before she was even in the news as one of the candidates, and she is honestly perfect in the role.

Seol isn't the kind of role that commonly gets people plaudits - no big, showily emotional 'intense' scenes or huge crying fits to show off evidence of acting chops like Hyeri in Answer Me 1988, but for all that, it's even more of a challenge to bring out Seol's everygirl nature, her charm and her weird combination of cynicism and niceness. And Kim Go-eun not only rose to it, she surpassed it.

And yeah, that scene where she confronts Jung about the texts was A+++ acting from both her and Park Hae-jin - she looks like she so badly wants him to be better than this, but he actually looks the perfect combination of both guilty and gutted. That's one breakup scene that actually hurts!

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Agree with your assessment of the great acting. Park Hae Jin, Seo Kang Joon, and Kim Go Eun all have the ability to be subtle and therefore more believable. Love this show! Good writers and actors make the difference.

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I somehow believe that Jung lead Minsoo into using Seol materials, thus ingites her fighting spirit towards Minsoo instead of keeping silence or picking childish arguments. I remember when he took care of her wound, he asked why she let others hurt her without saying anything. He's #teamSeol anyway... :D

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I dont think so by saying that your taking away Seol's agency that without Jung's help she wouldn't have gotten mad on her behalf. From what I saw Yoo Jung didn't do anything except give Min soo a few opening to make her mistakes which she did and Seol getting frustrated by herself took it upon herself to confront her. Though Jung does help and motivate her Seol is very much her own person and she can take care of herself but doesn't deny Yoo Jung's help when he offers it.

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In the webtoon, Jung did had a part in leading Minsoo to using the references since there was a flashback when Jung remembered Seol doing the same presentation a year before that Minsoo's topic was on.

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Like Girlfriday and Javabeans said right not you are commenting on the drama solely not on the webcomic remember that a lot of us haven't read it so you can't bring that up to discussions here.

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I do realize that many have not read the webtoon but I'm just adding on some information that could help clear up Yoo Jung's intentions. On a side note, the drama is going along the similar lines of the webtoon's plot so it doesn't necessarily mean that I can't bring it up in the discussion and compare the two.

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Jung handed Min Soo some rope in the form of the research links he gave her but it was Min Soo who made it into a noose and hung herself.

He had no way to know for sure that she would pick Seol's work and copy it wholesale or how Seol would react to it.
Maybe his plan was to see if she plagiarised her portion of the work and if so have a word with the teacher or quietly threaten Min Soo into backing off Seol.

Jung was setting a trap for Min Soo but I don't think that takes anything away from Seol starting to stand up for herself. I say starting because although she called Min Soo out after the presentation she kept quiet while Bora argued with their insufferable classmates.

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I did not say all Seol's explosion of reaction/anger today episode is becos Jung did something.
To me, he did his part of revenge on Minsoo and also choosing Soel's materials to give Seol's hints of fighting back. There're thousand other works on internet for Minsoo to get caught, but he chose Seol's works. It means he was "hoping" Seol would notice and speak up. However, he let her choose to realize if it is her work or not, and if she wanted to confront Minsoo or not.
And I did not ignore Seol's agency today to speak up and stop others from taking advantages of her. The thought "i dont want to loose more of me/mine" today is such a wonderful revelation of her after all incidents so far, which is so relatable. Before she let Bora do the confrontation and gently discussing (with frustration all keeping to herself) her concerns. Now she did fire back on her own. So I'm glad, regardless with or without Jung's help.

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I believe that Jung is also slowly setting a trap for Min Soo as well, getting revenge in his own way. Knowing how Min Soo and the other kids slack off when it comes to school work (the repeated dumping of work on Seoul in previous episodes), he threw her a chance and as he suspected, she did grab the opportunity to just use another person's work. Maybe, as Jung was brought up this way, to always be polite and never cause a scene, this is how he tackled adversity/revenge against other people. As opposed to Seoul's other friends like Bora or In Ho who are more combative and "in the moment". But all of them for sure are only there to support and protect Seoul and they have been urging her to stand up for herself. Finally, in this episode, she did and I'm proud of her.

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I agree. He really observes, assess the people, takes in the details and then places his little moves, and all roll out in a glorious domino wave. For some reason, I find it incredibly sexy and am bringing the popcorn for Min Soo's final showdown.

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I agree: Jung sees what's happening and he's amplifying it. That doesn't mean that he's manipulating Seol, or that Seol wouldn't speak up without Jung's interference - just that Jung is making everything a bit clearer.

Jung's interesting. He steps in and takes some of Sang Chul's heat, but then sidesteps enough that it sort of glances off him. He sets a trap for Min Soo, but then lets Seol (and Bora) trigger it. He does a lot of stage-setting and then lets everyone else step in with agency.

Of course, we see the bad side of that with Young Gon: he set up the circumstances, then took his eye off the ball. Part of the reason Jung is so furious with In Ha is that she did exactly what he NEVER does, and used his name to actively meddle. Sure, he set Young Gon on a collision course with Seol, but he never meant to keep that ball rolling.

I dread discovering whatever Jung's got In Ha working on now. I'm sure it's something that will cripple Young Gon, which is partially a noble goal, but it's bound to have some sort of repercussions Seol won't like at all.

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Is he setting up InHa for a fall as well, you think, or just YoungGon?

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Initially I thought just Young Gon, but you're right - it's completely likely that he's going after In Ha as well. It's not in his nature to reward In Ha for what she'd done, and he certainly has other routes to accomplish his goals.

It might be a situation where Young Gon is his main target, but he doesn't mind burning In Ha while he's at it.

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Jung is a master strategist when it comes to people, and his seeming encouragement of Min-soo is certainly part of that - for all the strings Young-gon is trying to pull using Min-soo, for Jung it takes just a single action to make him look like a rank amateur at this game (even if that wasn't his intention - he was enabling the showing-up of Min-soo the copycat, not Young-gon as the one manipulating her).

I actually wonder how he'll deal with In-ha. He's definitely angry at her, but the big shocker there was that HE ACTUALLY SHOWED IT - something he never did to the pervert even when he was beating the crap out of him. It's telling that both the Baek siblings actually get some emotion out of him, when normally he doesn't show any.

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The biggest emotional read I think we've seen from Jung is in reaction to TA Heo, when he meets them on the street at night. That was the closest to actual pure inward emotion, I thought. But you're right that both In Ha and In Ho certainly get under his skin - In Ho more than In Ha, I think. In Ha annoys him because she's an example of learned helplessness and is determined to get money out of him, but In Ho seems to bother him just by existing.

...not bother him negatively, though. It's like if In Ho isn't in his vicinity, then Jung doesn't have to think about him and can operate as usual. But if In Ho is around then Jung pays attention to him against his will, and I think has a little bit of envy or modeling going on - something like Jung understands that In Ho embodies something Jung himself lacks, and he's not sure if he wants it or not, it just really bothers him that he's missing it.

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no joke i was waiting for this moment so badly. when it happened in the webtoon i almost cried tears of relief? joy? i don't even know. seol standing up for herself is the best

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I am waiting for Joon's reveal more

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Agreed! What i love about the webtoon was Seol knows how to defend herself and she knows when someone crosses the line, she doesnt going to take it like a doormat. She is smart and she confronts people head on without sugarcoating it.
I remember reading in the webtoon that Inho knows that Jung doesnt like it when someone crosses the line, and ironically Jung crossed the line and Seol got hurt.

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I think Seol grow. At first she always keep things bottled up inside. When she have problem with Jung she chose to left school.

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totally agreed...I love it when Seol stands up for herself. Though still good at heart, she is learning how NOT to let others walk all over her.

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yeah, I love that Seol's backbone is something that's been growing in stages - she actively told Sang-chul sunbae off before for slacking off on work, but now she's coming out stronger and I love that.

I get that Seol's conflict-avoidant by nature, but it's so encouraging to see her not just let herself get steamrollered by users any more. (yay for kdrama heroines with actual growth over the course of a story!)

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yes. I love her so much. so relatable, just like any people out there. sometimes quite, but can be outspoken. sometimes timid, but can explode too. just a flawed and imperfect human

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That back hug....... so much feels.........

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I love how Seol can stand on her own. I was afraid they would make her the typical damsel in distress.. I love the loyalty of her friends and her sense, she tells what's on her mind, well most of it, or edits, but the fact that she stands up for herself is just...jjang...i'm so hooked...

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Oops wrong reply sorry..first time here..

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That back hug really makes my heart flutter.......omg, I am not at the age to feel that, but somehow this drama really did great job to create those strange giddy feeling (maybe it's because PHJ)

best drama ever...

sad that after episode 10, we'll need to wait for 2 more weeks

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Omg I forgot about Chuseok celebrations!!! Argh NOOOO how will I survive TWO weeks without CITT?! I'm barely surviving one!!!!!

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So no new eps next week? Aw I feel you :(

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...errr it's not Chuseok (eq with thanksgiving), it's Seol / Seollal (eq with chinese new year) :D

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Oops! I keep getting them mixed up. Heh. Thanks!

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Why don't they air episodes on such events actually? Why can't they just air since it has been made? Is it because of how it will affect the ratings or...?

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noooooooooooo no Cheese next week! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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ANDWEEEEEEEEEEEEE????????????????? 2 Weeks?not even 1
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Wait! What's the second week for?! I thought they'd only preempt one week's worth of episodes?

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preempt one week,, but the wait is two weeks

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Argh yes you are right. Sigh. This drama. Huge problem when a drama is bad...but also when it's so good (albeit different kinds of problems hahaha).

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When rests his chin on her shoulder at the end! Oomph.

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Park Hae Jin is doing the small intimate gestures incredibly well, especially for such a restrained character. Sometimes actors think the pose is enough, but he's going the extra mile to really sell it - similarly, when Jung was drunk and he rested his head on Seol's shoulder, he was nuzzling right against her neck and his face was almost totally obscured by her hair as he murmured "it's noisy...".

Sometimes you see something onscreen and viscerally react to it because you have a physical memory of when someone did that to you, and PHJ is extremely good at pulling those strings. Back hugs aren't a big thing in my culture, but a guy ducking his head down to the nape of your neck like that? Yes, that is a thing, and it's the best. That PHJ can use those cues so sparingly and in ways that telegraph Jung's momentary vulnerability is quite the balancing act.

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@Miranda - yeah, backhugs are a standard kdrama trope but what really makes that scene is the way his face is buried in her neck. I know I can't be the only one who was sorry she was wearing a turtleneck just then!

And everything about how Jung acts when he and Seol are in physically up close situations, screams that he craves closeness to her, even if he doesn't realise it himself or is going about it in a rather gentlemanly fashion compared to your standard kdrama lead. (the hugs, the way he moves so his mouth is practically on her neck when they're drunk at the bar last episode, now the face buried in her neck during their backhug).

I love how Park Hae-jin puts across that sense of being super courtly but at the same time wanting her, and how Kim Go-eun matches it by playing Seol as someone who's careful with physical intimacy but learns bit by bit to relax and want him back, in her own way (the difference between how she reacts to their first hug and the one where she met Jung after class)

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@pogo, I'm getting the same sense, that PHJ is underlining Jung with a much deeper craving for Seol in a physical way that is at odds with his overall manner.

Same thing when they kissed on the park bench - he knew she was worried about onlookers, and he'd already thought of that and dismissed it, and went in for another kiss. He's not all over her, which might be at odds with his general demeanor, but it does make you wonder how affection-starved he might be generally.

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@Miranda - I love how it comes across, not from a single incident or a single situation, but over time

Like when he first hugged her, it felt almost like an experiment to see whether he could do it/do something boyfriendly (the impulsiveness/carefulness thing again), the falling-on-top of her in bed felt like Jung being a tease, but they take on a different colour in light of later incidents like the drunk bar neck nuzzling/kiss, and now this.

Jung certainly seems to respect Seol's physical boundaries, but like you said, he definitely comes across as someone who was starved of affection and physical intimacy, for him, appears to be almost/as much about comfort as desire.

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Felt the same @Miranda! PHJ moves me with his acting. Especially the skinship scenes. The back hug alone was great. Begging us to forgive him. Delving deeper into her neck, that begs us to understand him and love him at the same time. So well done.

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Omg, that back hug! I was seriously holding my breath in that 15 seconds, while my heart skipped a few beats.. If the drama didn't show that scene in slow motiono, I think I would still see it that way..

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Did anybody else get really excited when Saltnpaper started playing?! tvN does the best OSTs in every drama I have seen from them.

I am loving Seol's development and growing confidence. She's slowly learning not to let people take advantage of her, and with it she's realizing her own self-worth and what she has to offer. You go gurl!

I'm afraid that another scheme by Jung will only further the rift between him and Seol, even if it is for her benefit to get rid of Young Gon. Sometimes it just ain't the way to deal with things. I almost prefer Inho's outright yet rash actions because at least Seol knows how he deals with the conflict at hand. Even if the past is in the past, I hope Jung realizes that it is important to Seol that he can't just push past everything because it's already happened.

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And its really funny when he inadvertently wrecks their covert operations (Euntake and Bora's). Heh. It's a smack your forehead but you still laugh moment.

They need to all confer together on one plan. Heh. Operation Creepy Stalker...and honestly, Jung is probably a better strategist than all of them combined but he needs their moral harness.

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lmao at Jung being a better strategist.. He is right? He good at reading characters & seizing opportunities. But they probably freak out if they know Jung's plan. They are emotional people, unlike Jung.

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THIS. If only they have a combined Team Anti-Stalker with Jung, hahaha, I would pay money to watch that.

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+10 to this comment - It'd be great if they all worked together as one tactical strike team.

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I'm afraid so, and from the teaser I think Inha plan is also Jung's anti-YoungGon move.

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Is SaltnPepper the song that plays during the argument that Seol has with Jung? It's a beautiful song - I seriously love the music PD for this drama. The song selection so far has been evocative, provocative and quietly suitable for those beats the song was meant to illustrate.

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I definitely agree with you. The song is Saltnpaper's "One Heart." Amazing artist.

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I have been downloading all of the OST releases on a weekly basis and playing them on a loop. The music PD is doing incredibly, incredibly well and should be an example to all the others who overuse one or two songs until I want to puncture my own eardrums.

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because the ost department being mentioned i need to step in

PD Lee always use indie musician in her dramas, from coffee prince (that drama has more than 20 songs as ost!) and heart2heart (it is not ordinary for a drama to have one producer make the whole ost - they do it with tearliner and low end project)
and now with CIT!
PD lee continue with her signature!

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OMG you are fast JB, thank you for the recaps! It is 05.46 am in the morning here, yet am reading your excellent recap! I share your hope and all your comments about this episode. I feel for Seol and I feel for Jung. I feel for both of them, even for In Ho that still does not want to admit that he falls for Seol. Tonight's episode will be another rift for both of them from the preview, I hope this couple hang on in there, and strong enough to pass the current coming their way. I really hope the best for them. I love them to bits

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I hope In Ho does not fall hard for Seol, I do not want to go through this pain...I find too adorable that he follows her around like a duckling with his mom, and think they make a lovely pair of friends.
It would be perfect if Seol manages that Jung and In Ho make up at some point. She can stay with Jung, In Ho can play piano again and all of them be friends forever. I would be so soooo happy :D

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I agree - and some part of me thinks that In Ho is still protective enough of Jung that he sort of wants Seol and Jung to work out. He's conflicted about it because he also likes Seol, but he can have Seol as a friend whereas Jung seems to need Seol as an anchor.

I realize this is talking about Seol like she's a commodity rather than a person, but this is just thinking of In Ho's point of view. Seol herself can be with whoever she's happiest with - though I kind of think In Ho is too much of a brother for her to see romantically?

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This episode sent me through the wringer. So many moments that made me cringe and scream and want to abuse the fast forward button. How can one girl withstand so much crazy? But in the end, the crazy is what helps her grow, and grow she has. I love this show so much. So much real character development, and as the main characters grow, I like them more and more. It feels like I'm actually getting to know people in front of me as they experience life's many moments - whether tough or sweet or crazy. I can't believe that we're only 9 episodes in, because relationships (friends and romantic) have developed and grown and shifted in real ways.

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Love, love this show. You are so right, javabeans, in that unlike many, many Kdramas it is not some scheming third party that pulls them apart, but their basic natures that have to be explored and the differences resolved. And just like in real life, it is not clear if they can resolve these differences, much less how, because it isn't about beating up a bad guy, it's all about self-reflection and somehow finding the means of overcoming the faults that we discover in the process.

I feel for Jung, because I think for the first time in his life he has really, really fallen for someone else, and this is giving him the ability to look at himself from her point of view, and he is puzzled and shocked by what he sees. He always thought he was the good guy, the white knight, and Seol is turning this vision slightly sideways. Sometimes, when another person draws aside the curtain of self-deception, it gives us the impetus to become better people. Other times it is just too hard, too scary, too far out of the wheelhouse. Not sure yet how things are going to resolve for Jung.

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I couldnt agree more with ur opinion!!!!

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Another lovely episode... Seol/Jung confrontation in the autumn leaves... Jung turning the lights on/off in his apartment (I felt it showed loneliness)...flashback of Inho/Inha/Yoo Jung... back-hug between Yoo Jung/Seol (aw, no words needed).

But I wasn't sure about Inha's motive because she looked happy/hopeful, and she's only that way when she knows that she's going to get money. So then is she really doing this "step 1" of her own accord to piss Yoo Jung off? or is it part of a plan by Yoo Jung and in return she would get some of her privileges back? I think it could go both ways, and I guess we'll wait and see. Whatever will happen next, I can't wait for Min Soo and Young Gon to be gone.

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yes, i also saw it as In-ha having some kind of deal with Yoo Jung to help get rid of stalker boy in return for some money/etc., and that it wasn't her own plan of getting back at Yoo Jung

and totally agreed, the scene of them with leaves falling around them was so lovely - i laughed when In-ho basically said what i was thinking - that it was too pretty of a setting to be having a fight in

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I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought about this possibility concerning Inha, Yoo Jung, and "the plan".

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They subverted the usual setting for a kiss scene methinks (aw cmon I mean, lamp post glows, autumn leaves, a deserted street? Asking for it!) which made it even more bittersweet that she asked for time apart. And yet that might be the right step to take to bring them closer (so not physical intimacy but a deeper understanding of and for each other).

...or I could be reading too much into this. Hah.

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ooh, interesting observation! i hadn't considered that, but now that just makes me appreciate this drama even more!

also their acting (esp. kim go eun's) was on point during that scene - you could feel her emotion and what she was going through, in the way her voice cracked as she tried not to cry -such great acting

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then In Ho got so affected by the scene, he was so worried about them. It felt like he was not a third party but rather a JungSeol shipper. He noted that the scene was too beautiful for them to be fighting... aweeee... and that time that they were drinking before, he commented that they should be kissing instead of fighting. hahaha! In Ho is a JungSeol shipper!!! he is totally concerned for seol that he worries she might get hurt, which is just so cute. but he has this frenemy link with Jung, he treated as a brother once, now it just looks like he's sulking Jung doesn't show his affection for him anymore. That's so cute!!! (though the hand wrecking issue is still in murky waters, maybe he's pulling on it as an excuse, since that would certainly be easier than generating empathy from Jung aka turning on Jung's humanity)

in ho is the dreamy second lead, another syndrome? and that one too when he said that the great baek In Ho is "belittled?" (was that the word he used?) with his current piano assignments, but he doesn't mind doing whatnot jobs here and there? hahaha. throwing that kind of fit is too cute >_< because you can see that he is a very hardworking person for such humble jobs. but he just turns into a talent jerk when it's piano. i really smirked and rofled deep inside at that scene. in ho please don't change your cuteness! lol.

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In Ho is totally a JungSeol shipper. He spent much of his school career looking out for Jung, and then something went wrong, but even now he doesn't completely hate Jung - for pete's sake, he actively went to Seoul to seek him out at the start of the show! In Ho knows that Jung isn't complete somehow, and even if In Ho can't supply that help, he's aware that Seol might. Something in In Ho wants Jung to be okay.

I know the show is set up a bit as though Seol will be Jung's humanizing element, but in the long run I think it'll be In Ho.That kid is loyal, even when he's being loudly disloyal. Even in the Young Gon interactions, In Ho is basically leading by example - In Ho is instinctively doing the things Jung feels like doing, but doesn't really know how. In Ho is the Id and Jung is the somewhat-crippled Ego.

Maybe that's where Seol comes in: the Superego who will apply morals and sense, tempering In Ho's hotheadedness and Jung's creepy cyborg act.

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I think I saw YoungGon tell people that Inha is Jung's real girlfriend, and Inha going to negate that statement. Also the gang video of YoungGon harassment going to get out.

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baek in ha is so annoying! I just want to smack her face! ughhhh!

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Agreeeddd!! I have to fast forward as much as I could when she's on the scene. Unfortunately a lot of her conversations also involve In Ho or Jung, so I can't completely block her out. Cannot standddd herrrrr

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I feel like the light on/off motif is important but the fact it's used differently for Hong Seol and Jung confuses me.

In an earlier episode, when Seol was confessed to (did she accept it then? Can't remember.) Her porch light flickered on and off, and then on when she accepted.

Then later, when Jung is walking her home and was under a streetlamp with her and tries to get closer (I think he tried to hug her? Ok, someone with a better memory help me out) - the light flickered on and off, and then turns off.

This time round, when he ponders his feelings towards her, the lights stay off.
I thought that meant he meant to have his feelings 'die' - but he backhugs her.

Sorry to say this but Jung - what does it mean if you having feels for someone = darkness? Somehow I don't think it means lights-off-sexy-time when it comes to you.

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Actually I think it's just a clever symbol they leverage to indicate wavering feelings or uncertainty in the moment (is it this? Is it that? But this...but that!). I love the cinematography here because it's done so well and layered so carefully you can tell how much thought has gone into crafting scenes and parallels.

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Oh, that's an interesting interpretation!

But even if that's the case, why does his 'flickering' end on 'off' both times?

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I thought Jung's flickering to "off" showed that he's naturally more reticent and closed-off. It did make me worry both times too, thinking that he'd cut off his feelings, but maybe it's more symbolic that even though his natural inclination would be to abandon his efforts, around Seol he can't help making the extra effort anyway.

Seol's feelings naturally trend to "on", and Jung's naturally trend to "off" - but he's overcoming that to connect with her anyway, because he can't help himself.

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Today's ep got me so heated, the rage level was high with this one. For a drama that I love so much, there are so many freaking hateful characters. How can there be so many horrible people and all in the same class no less?
You know what? I actually wanted to give Min Soo a chance but SERIOUSLYl? Yes, you're getting sucked into Young Gon's disgusting, scheming ways but there HAS to be SOME part of you that can think for yourself and know that what you're doing isn't right. When Young Gon asked Min Soo if she apologized yet and she said that she doesn't have to apologize because there's stuff that Seol did to her too like WHAT? Seol has done nothing to you. And I'm so glad that Seol called her and Sang-poop out today. And for that matter, Jung as well. I'm not surprised that he failed to realize why what he did bothered her. And In Ha. Freaking A. I don't have a problem with her acting and I felt like she really holds her ground against Jung especially in today's scene in front of his apartment. But I have no love for her at all. She has absolutely no remorse for anything that she does and the scary part is, I don't think she even knows what that is. When she purposefully spilled the ramen on In Ho's piano book and didn't even bat an eye, it just hit me. She has no semblance of human kindness or regret or awareness at all. And as much as I like Bora and her and Seol's friendship, GIRL. Sometimes you need to stop talking and aggravating the situation. Ugh, I need to cool off

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In a way I'm really glad that Seol stood up for herself this episode because that girl was letting things slide way too much and clearly ignoring and just bearing things weren't producing the outcomes she hoped for. Although standing up for herself also caused ripples unexpectedly for her. In that sense, when you contrast their approaches it's possible to understand why Jung chooses to deal with matters the way he does (he clearly doesn't want to deal with the fallout and so far his methods seem fairly effective...although that leads to the question about whether the ends justify the means).

Seriously I feel so stressed for Seol though cos it's like she's just constantly spending time dealing with a bunch of crazies. How is she even getting any studying done!

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I'm so glad that she didn't take their bs. Their reactions are worse because they're so used to having their way and walking all over her that when she doesn't take it, they get doubly offended. Which is freaking ridiculous. Ugh.

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Yeah, and it's very true to real life.

When you start standing up for yourself, ppl who have been using you will not like it at all and make a fuss as if they had any right.

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I sooo agree it does happen in real life as I kind of went through it myself about two-three weeks ago, I stood up for myself n then the next day I was told it wasn't my place n this job isn't for me And I'm like thinking to myself what BS so I jus took it n walked away no further discussion cause that stuff jus never ends... Anyway the point is Seol stood up the girl who let any one push her around I mean she had a lot of patience for that but u know it's a limit to how much one can take u do lose ur cool u can't always stay calm there r times where one jus has to put their foot down?

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Bo Ra was frustrating me last week but this week I think her firey spirit was needed. Because it really was a case of the loudest in the room wins. Da Young and Bo Ra fed off each other and I loved that Bo Ra was just like 'the ones who did wrong are complaining? Shameless' because that's totally true! Heh.

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I like that Bora doesn't take crap from them but sometimes, mainly last week's eps, her yelling makes the situation bigger esp when she confronted Min Soo about the keychain. That's why I was gonna give Min Soo a chance because it seemed like she was about to fess up until she got all defensive against Bora but today proved that Min Soo is really a freaking piece of work. And I actually think that even without Young Gon egging her on, she would still somehow crazily convince herself that she's in the right
Haha I didn't even know Da Young was her name, I kept calling her psycho Young Gon's annoying gf

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She's psycho. How else can you explain someone who is dating YounGon. And still dating him after all those crazy antics of him in front of her?
She think she's above them because of her position in their class. But she fall in to YoungGon manipulation when he's only dating her to show people that he's over Seol after knowing Seol is dating Jung.

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Da-young is not a psycho. She's actually a pretty decent character, I think.

This episode, she was angry with her friend Min-soo when Min-soo copied Bo-ra and Seol's paper, she even said something like "That's why people call you Fake Seol". Then she turned around and complained to Seol why she had to do this in front of the class. Both are entirely sane and reasonable reactions.

As for dating Young-gon: He is handsome, clever, attentive. He's also very good at manipulating simple people like Eun-taek and Da-young. And, yes, he did some stupid things she is aware of, but nothing dramatic as far as she knows. Compared to, say, what Seol knows about Jung, to Da-young, Young-gon is not necessarily a bad guy. He goes after other girls (like most Korean guys at that age) and he tries to overstep the boundaries, but she thinks she manages him just fine.

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Da Young isn't psycho, but sorry, Jon - I don't think she's a decent character either. She was more than happy to use Seol to do the bulk of their team project, while working on her personal project. That sounds a selfish meanness underlying that otherwise insipid personality.

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Hahaha you sound so agitated! But agreed about In-Ha. What really did it for me was the ramen spilling scene: you can be witch-cray and conscienceless but in the face of your BROTHER'S DREAMS -

Not cool.

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Well, Inho also like that to Inha's dream before.

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In-ho was a complete bitch to In-ha back in the days, where his own future seemed clear. It´s just their way of showing sibling love.

Luckily In-ho is slowly getting out of the mind-set where it´s everyone else´s fault that things are what they are now. In-ha, it seems, will never stop blaming others.

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yes, in reality such frequent sibling fights create life long shadows and emptiness. but, i don't think it could weigh much for her a dream. she was just drawing jung/like claiming a shiny toy. and in ho couldnt just be more supportive. given with in ha's fashion sense and nature (which has turned her bad finance wise) she could have been a fashion designer... but that potential mutated, and in ho is paying the price with his piano dilems. such a tragedy...

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THANK YOU. Are people that quick to forget what he did to In Ha, mocking her artistic dreams?! He brought it on himself, tbh

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:( i feel so sad for in ho, when he really truly cares for his sister anyway, the ramen spill was mortifying but makes me wonder what really happened in their past that in ho is guilty??? and inha just knows she is allowed to mess with her brother, "damn she's cold" talk about sibling love hate on the extreme levels. after that, in ho covered her with a blanket and removed her glasses as she fell sleep :( in ha is a total brat (lee sung kyung so good at her portrayal of baek in ha). some people said she over reacted but i think not, she made a perfect blend for this character and she's consistent! i love her (bitch goddess/femme fatale archtype) so funny when in ho said at the firework scene that in ha has no future. what can they do when she is that way, no change possible? he already knows the girl cant do anything hahaha. is that what sibling fights are like? btw who is older??? inho or inha???

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In Ha is older. She refers to In Ho as her 'dongsaeng' (younger brother. And everyone in the drama refers to In Ha as his 'noona' (older sister).

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I'm sad for Minsoo because I remember she's copying Seol because she admired her, and hoping to be Seol's friend by doing that. She is always timid and looked down before, so when put into corner she choose lies than getting looked down again. And she have no real friend to tell her that she make a bad choice. She think right now is the best time of her school life, surrounded by some friend.

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OMG, I am so glad I am not the only one who was annoyed by Bo Ra's intervention! She made things so much worst. As for In Ha, let's not forget how In Ho treated her when she was in the Art Academy, making fun of her drawing and leading her to quit. Karma is a bitch and he needs to recognized that he had a part in making In Ha that way. Most sociopaths are created by their environment and it is obvious it is the case of In Ha. Being told constantly that she did not have her brother's talent and a waste of space while getting beat, that breaks whatever humanity someone can have

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MinSoo needs some serious help, and so do YG and InHa.

I don't know if InHa is that annoying in the webtoon, or if it is the way she's portrayed in the drama , but I can't stand her scenes (the eyes, the features, the attitude, etc). I get that it is an exaggeration , but it doesn't fit well with the rest of the drama tone, even compared to all the crazy people.

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Sorry, I meant gestures, not features... Autocorrect mistake!

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Phew...I'm not alone...

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She's like that too in the webtoon, if not even crazier eyes in the webtoon.

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She's not that annoying in the comics, but she is even more crazy there. She's a really disturbing character in the webtoon, I think the director decided to "soften up" the character by adding a bit of comedic distance.

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I have not read the webtoon, but is there a good explanation for why the sister is such a brat? I cringe at the way she speaks and behaves.

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honestly it's mostly her personality and the result of her aunt's abuse. inha wasn't talented like inho and she had jung's family to back her up, so her bratty personality isn't ever checked by anyone with the power to change it

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She has many of the hallmarks of Borderline Personality Disorder.
"Borderline Personality Disorder. People with borderline personality disorder are unstable in several areas, including interpersonal relationships, behavior, mood, and self-image. Abrupt and extreme mood changes, stormy interpersonal relationships, an unstable and fluctuating self-image, unpredictable and self-destructive actions characterize the person with borderline personality disorder. Impulsive actions, chronic feelings of boredom or emptiness, and bouts of intense inappropriate anger are other traits of this disorder, which is more common among females."

The siblings lost their parents very young and then did not stability afterwords between abusive aunts and detached guardians offering only money.

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More likely narcissistic and histrionic personality traits as opposed to BPD. BPD presents with worse self-image, and usually self-harm.

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In addition to what Michelle said, I also felt that Inho's constant put downs of her in the past, turned her even brattier and made her give up any attempts at trying to get a job. I mean her own brother was always telling her that she is useless, and that might be correct to a certain extent, but I'm sure if he had encouraged her to go into something easy, she would have at last gotten a certificate or something.

The reason I was moved by the flashback, was because it felt like all 3 of them (Inho, Inha, and Yoo Jung) had played a role is messing up each other's lives, in addition to their own bad decisions (this goes for Inho and Inha).

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Yep! I agree to all of the above, and this is one reason I kinda like In Ha despite how awful she can be. Also it really stood out to me how In Ho was the one encouraging Jung to fight back and not be a pushover. It made me wonder if Jung finally felt In Ho himself was using him and then Jung used In Ho's own advice against him.

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I'm surprised what In-ho said about where In-ha would be wasn't mentioned. I feel like only a few people (me) have an issue with that as most others shrug it off as normal sibling behavior. sigh

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When he said she'd have no future? No, it really bothered me too, but I feel so many see In Ho as the nice guy who always has a good heart and intentions...so they don't see how cruel he really was to In Ha? Even in that flashback with her art he was tearing her down and mocking her. It's so upsetting but I think the drama demonstrates that In Ho does feel guilt for that, at least.

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Drama In Ho was made much nicer. He looked like he regretted the harsh words he said to In Ha when they were younger. Webtoon In Ho is cruel because he's so talented, he doesn't care for ppl who he thinks doesnt have talent. He openly insults them.
I'm glad they tone him down for the drama.
I can't stand In Ha webtoonn and drama - she's basically that annoying person who just become parasites, leeching off others.

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He feels guilt for Inha only after he lose his dream himself. Before that, he never consider other people's dream.

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Yep - he totally destroyed her hopes & dreams of being an artist. After having his own hopes & dreams crushed, he finally found empathy w/ his sister & her situation, which is why he always goes running to her every time she calls him. They yell at each other, snipe at each other, threaten each other, call each other names and tell each other what losers they are, but at the end of the day, In Ho is always there for her, no matter how much of a spoiled bit**y brat she is. For me, that makes him one of the best characters in the show. Cuz at least he is trying to get his life in order, he's trying to work, trying to play piano again, at least he is TRYING, something In Ha needs to learn. (Have to admit I could've smacked her when she dumped the ramyun on top of his music - for 2 reasons - it was his music, something he loved and something he is TRYING to do again, and secondly, cuz he has very little money, she was crying how she was hungry, and she'd rather dump it on something important to him for pettiness and revenge than satisfy her physical hunger. That choice says a lot about her character...)

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I'm answering here coz no reply button to Firehorse.

I see what you mean but I think his behavior is actually enabling her continued bad behavior. And if he is doing that out of a sense of guilt as well as love, it's even worse.

It would be different maybe if she had no other option but we see that she does. The chairman and Jung don't cut her off unilaterally but they offer her a good job and then a lot of money when she left the apartment too.

InHo should say,
" I will kick you out of my place if you dont go to the academy for your license." That's tough love and what she needs. Proper boundaries.

If it were me, I'd also say same for spoiling Ramyun on my things and disparaging comments. If not, it's a toxic relationship and not a healthy one. For her own good, as well as theirs, they need to draw the line.

That is my opinion learned the hard way.

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THIS THIS THIS. If I had a younger brother that often looked down on me, the way In Ho does to In Ha, sorry, but I would have been angry too. Thankfully my brother wasn't like this at all. Family is the only place you can feel safe against the world, so when your family basically crushes you, you will bite back, not only at the world, but at said family

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You're not alone. It definitely bothered me too. It's hard to excuse that kind of behaviour even if he "didn't mean it" (except I'm NOT sure he didn't mean it too). But then Inha's response to her brother is equally alarming (the ramyun thing etc.). So right now I find it hard to sympathise with either character on this particular issue of their relationship with each other.

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I'm not sure about normal sibling behavior, but I've had this exact conversation with one of my siblings about another one. Maybe not as off-handedly (or within her hearing) but I do have a sister who... yikes, I mean, I just do not know what the heck we are going to do with her. She's not In Ha crazy, but she's just drifting through life letting others take care of her.

So I felt a little for In Ho there, because man, I also do not know what to do with a sister who seems completely uninterested in taking initiative. Weirdly my sister is also one who has lots of expensive tastes and is a clotheshorse and has her apartment paid for by wealthy aunts and...

...hm. Okay, apparently my sister IS In Ha (though she doesn't shriek or act like a psycho, because we would kill her).

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Yes, I definitely felt sympathy for her in the flashback when Inho put her down. She must've felt useless in general growing up w/ a brother who is a genius pianist. But I'm wondering if In-ha in the webtoon acts/behaves the same way Lee Sung-Kyung interprets the character in the drama. She's so over the top w/o any nuances of complex emotions, which I feel the character would have in her situation. Maybe in the hands of a better actress, her character would be more compelling.

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and a lot less annoying.

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a lot of people hate her in the webtoon, too, but she was one of my favorite characters lol so i don't mind her in the drama as much as a lot of others do. Ever since I saw her get her and her brother out of that house as a child, I was taken with her, and that cold laugh as she looked back at the memory? Stone Cold.

That being said, I can see why so many others hate her. But I see the nuances, particularly in this episode I was a little impressed (there was a short scene in In Ho's apartment where she showed like 1 second of softness)

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Yes, yes, yes, and yes to everything you said.

Child In-ho was calmer and took in what their aunt had done pretty well. It was Child In-ha who was a very brave little girl to step up. And there would never leave no scar in anyone's mental if they were in In-ha's shoes.
I see her as the same person in webtoon and drama, she is just as not-normal / crazy as that. And she actually the only one who puts spice in the drama, because Sang-chul, Min-soo and Young-gon are too bitter to handle, Jung and Seol were too sweet and savory, and In-ho is probably just sweet and sour. And in every K-Drama, spice is a must.

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Wait, though.

As always, it's not right to beat a kid and the moment you do you're in the wrong, but... I'm not so positive the aunt was a raging maniac. Mean? Sure. But knowing what we do about In Ha, I can certainly see her deliberately getting her aunt furious.

Obviously it's the adult's responsibility not to go nuclear, but some kids are REALLY GOOD at enraging their caretakers. Deliberately. And I am not totally convinced that a little In Ha, taken from the luxury she was used to, wouldn't connive to get out of that situation and back into better material circumstances.

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I'm not convinced that the actress has done anything toward bringing Baek In-Ha to life the way that Jung, Seol, In-Ha, or even Young-Gon have been by their respective actor or actress. I'm truly disappointed with the actress who plays Baek In-Ha. If she was a minor character like some of Seol's classmates, I would have no problem with her one-dimensional crass behaviour. But as a major character in her own right, with a tragic backstory and quite a rich expanse for emotional struggle, Baek In-Ha deserves better. Because of the actress' incompetence and lack of improvement, plot development involving In-Ho x Jung x In-Ha begins to suffer. In scenes between Jung and In-Ha, the clear divide between Park Hae-Jin's spine-chilling rendition of Jung and In-Ha's blundering act becomes lamentably obvious. We're well into the second act of the drama so really she needs to up her game. In the first act, the superficiality could function as the precursor. But plot-wise, it makes no sense. The actress is seriously pulling everyone else down.

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I don't understand all the criticism the actress is getting, I like her a lot. She's histrionic, which is one of the main tools manipulative people use to prevent others from stopping them. I think she's doing a really good job.

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Except the directors obviously directed the child actress to act the same way. So I don't think it's the actress' fault. I think also because they've toned down In Ho, In Ha sticks out even more. Young Gon is probably a close match behaviour wise in over the top-ness.

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Yes, I also compared her acting/character to Young Gon and while I don't like his character, I like the actor. He's really good and convincing as his character; I never feel like he's acting over the top b/c he embodies the volatility of the character so well.

He's reminds me of a younger version of Park Ki-Woong. A lot of people are impressed w/ Seo Kang-Joon and he's good, but to me, Ji Yoon-Ho is the break out star here.

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Yeah! Honestly, based on all the horrified/disgusted responses towards Young Gon here alone, I would say Ji Yoon-Ho is doing a fantastic job at the very least. -thumbs up-

(And I love Park Ki-Woong.)

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Honestly in the previous episodes I thought that Ji Yoon-ho messed up a few scenes where he simply couldn't get the expressions right, where he looked like a comical Richard III addressing the theatre audience. The current episode was great though.

As for In-ha, it's clearly the concept of the director. Lee Sung-kyung lacks experience and range, but she plays In-ha absolutely consistently, and that's not her "normal" acting style at all.

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I can't be convinced that playing In-ha consistently b/c that's not her normal acting style overrides her lack of experience and range, if that's what you mean.

I think In-ha is an important side character and it's a shame that Lee Sung-kyung can't convey the more complex and layered emotions needed for the character. Her portrayal is like a very elementary copy of Cheon Song-Yi in My Love From The Star. I can only surmise her pitiable disposition and circumstances based on what happens around/to her, rather than her conveying it.

In-ha and Young Gon are the more extreme characters, so it's a glaring difference to see how one actor can add the necessary dimension needed, while the other just can't.

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The one scene that really showed who In Ha is where she emotionally manipulated In Ho when he raised his hand. When she laughed at the memory of her getting abused. That scene was really well done.

Overall, I think the writers (or maybe it's the actress's interpretation, I'm not sure) kind of watered down In Ha's character. I would say that she is crazier and more frightening in the webtoon. She's also got very expressive and crazy eyes, which the actress does portray in the drama. But I feel like she's rather more annoying and loud in the drama, compared to the webtoon, where she's actually frightening.

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Well if you look at it she is a girl who lost her parents when she was young, was physically abused by her aunt, and was told she didn't have a talent in art. So she uses her best talent to survive, being who she is. She is a brat, but if you look at it also became a way that she used and uses to protect herself. Considering that it must be pretty hard when people around you constantly say you have no future, she maybe even started believing it herself, therefore found other ways to survive. She has said often to other character "you know I am not smart".

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She always hear her Aunt tell her that she is useless compared to her brother. And Inho never help her to regain her self confidence when they were living with their aunt, even degrading her himself after they get taken by Jung's father.

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"And no matter how regretful he feels now—and I do believe that he feels regretful—I have to join Seol in wondering what he’s really like. Maybe he’s sorry because she’s upset and because she was hurt by it, but does he get it? Does he connect the dots and see exactly why she’s angry, or is he only addressing the symptom of her anger and not the root of the problem, where he often crosses the line in meting out what he thinks is justice? "

I don't think Jung connects the dots, I don't think he can, I've said this before but I'll say it again I think he's on the Autism spectrum.

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It's interesting though because all I think it, won't somebody get these kids some help? Jung's father should have gotten Jung help if he believed he was capable of causing In Ho's injury (and the elevator warning). In Ha should have gotten therapy (you can give her credit cards but not some mental health support?). And clearly Young Gon's behaviour is extremely disturbing.

I agree Jung seems like he's on the spectrum and I really hope the next Seol/Jung heart to heart has him explaining everything (In Ha as well) and letting Seol truly understand him. She can then accept him, ask him to change or leave him.

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I think Jung father is also strange in that he never know that all of the kids in his care have personality problem. Jung's father respect Prof. Baek because he help him to know Jung personality problem. But after Prof. Baek death he also get manipulated by Jung and think that getting Jung friends in the form of Baek sibling as advised by Prof. Baek is enough to change Jung.

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You know supportive families work in K-dramas: If your child is a violent sociopath, you clean up the corpses he/she leaves behind and you make sure nothing discourages him from following his career. Even mentioning any kind of professional mental health support would surely lower his/her self-esteem, no parent should ever even think about something like that ...

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Lol I see what you did there Jon G. Drama meta ftw! (That dad though....seriously....)

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I'm glad I'm not the only one. I get upset too sometimes.

And with Aspies, a loved one can teach the person to connect the dots and function in a strange world.

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True, but the "connecting the dots" part is very, very different from a "normal" person.

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Honestly, I wonder about that because though I have Asperger's, I'm very empathetic now. (At least I think so, though I may be completely off, haha).

But maybe that's just the Autism spectrum, where you DO have empathy but you shut it down a lot. And it did take 20 years for me. Once I intellectually connected the dots, I could see that I felt that.

I cringe at the things I used to say.

Ex: News that a classmate jumped off a roof and died. Everyone else is crying and I matter of factly state, "that kind of thing is expected in such an academically intense school." The end.

I truly did not understand why that was the "wrong" response. Ppl thought I didn't care or something but I disconnected because I was upset. And facts comfort me.

Btw, a lot of ppl still say I'm really cold at times. But yknow, they're the strange ones, not me (kidding).

And doesn't preclude a misdiagnosis to begin with. Which is why I'm uncomfortable with all this armchair psychology. Even professionals w/ years of schooling and hours and hours with the patient misdiagnose, so let's not write someone off as such and such and dismiss them or jump to conclusions about their capacity for change.

Another thing if you're just trying to understand the character but I see a lot of judgmental dismissals based on half-knowledge. Not speaking of this convo but in some other ones about this show.

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I also have been diagnosed with Asperger's that frankly is why I think Jung may have Asperger's or something else on the spectrum. I'm pretty sure Asperger's isn't the only form of high functioning Autism. I see a lot of myself in Jung hence my theory.

Regardless as this Asian I expect them to ignore the possibility of any kind of mental disorder, although personally I think of Asperger's as a social advantage not disadvantage.

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I thought so too for the same reason and I brought it up in an earlier episode but it was dismissed and I was like, urrr, idk if I want to go into my personal stuff with a bunch of strangers" but now I couldn't take it anymore. Lol.

Who knows what he has, if anything at all but idk why Aspergers is being dismissed in favor of Sociopath/psychopath. Perhaps it's easier to think he doesn't have feelings. Idk.

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I haven't read the webtoon so i don't know if thats where they are going with it - that he just can't get it .... Bec till now in the drama only, it comes of as someone who has just closed himself to people bec he kept getting used. ... It doesn't seem like mental illness to me at this point

I was a real pushover in school. When i started talking back, people reacted more angrily bec i was supposed to be this nice, meek girl. It was like when other people get angry/ upset thats human, but if i got angry people were baffled bec it just went against their image of me. And that made me more angry and stubborn

It got to the point that I just became outright rude and insensitive. I had to actually reign myself in when someone made me realise i was going too far. .... To me it seems the same way - he is going too far and does not know it ... Not getting a personality disorder/ illness vibe yet.

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As Jung has said, he was always told to be polite, to smile and to not cause a scene since he was young, so I think he eventually thought of other ways to get revenge/fight back against the people who wronged him (or his friends & loved ones, in the case of Seol). As how people like Bo Ra, Eun Taek, In Ho become aggressive & combative when provoked, Jung fights back as well, just in his own way. It was telling when he advised Seol in a previous episode not to always lose to other people and to take care of herself first. Maybe there was a time when he reached that conclusion as well. That he was done being everyone's pushover.

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"As Jung has said, he was always told to be polite, to smile and to not cause a scene since he was young"

I hope they explore his childhood a little. An only child made to share his home and family with 2 new kids - one a loveable scamp (inho), another an attention seeker (inha). A dad who has strong ideas about "right" behaviour. I can totally imagine a quiet, meek child getting screwed over.

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It got to the point that I just became outright rude and insensitive. I had to actually reign myself in when someone made me realise i was going too far. …. To me it seems the same way – he is going too far and does not know it … Not getting a personality disorder/ illness vibe yet.

But he wasn't rude. He didn't overreact. He just has no idea what exactly he has done wrong.

Just look at what he did now: To make amends for his what he did back then when he had In-ha set up YG to harass Seol, he gets In-ha to set up YG to do something stupid.

Seol was angry when Jung forced Heo to take the blame for the "loss" of Jung's application. Jung never understood why she was angry when she was helping him.

Now he seems to think that she is angry because he manipulated people into hurting her, so his solution to this is to manipulating people into hurting her "enemies".

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"To make amends for his what he did back then when he had In-ha set up YG to harass Seol, he gets In-ha to set up YG to do something stupid."

Has he ? .... Nothing in that conversation struck me as Jung saying that inha should interfere and hurt YG ... It seems more like inha is on her own trip

"But he wasn’t rude. He didn’t overreact. He just has no idea what exactly he has done wrong."

We don't see his transition from being a pushover to his current attitude. Was there a phase where he acted out and got reprimanded from dad ? or did he resort to simply punching the other person like inho suggested. We see seol's transition so we can root her her. Mostly i feel that he is just fed up of all the nonsense going around him

I guess the whole problem is that we never get to see Jung's perspective as such. Its mostly through other people's eyes. He is the most intriguing character on the show but we rarely get inside his head. But thats the whole fun of this show :) Remove jung and most of us will drop the show

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Has he ? …. Nothing in that conversation struck me as Jung saying that inha should interfere and hurt YG … It seems more like inha is on her own trip

The deal between In-ha and Jung happened off-screen after In-ha moved in with In-ho. In-ha is happy in the morning, In-ho suspects that she must have gotten some money. She then confirms that she got money and wonders how her brother knows about her deal with Jung. And that deal is to do something with Young-go.

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I don't know where people are getting that Jung is behind In Ha's plan. It looks like she has made it her goal to get back what she had and sees Seol as the main reason why her life sucks, hence she plans to get rid of Seol to get it back. Jung has nothing to do with this

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"Seol was angry when Jung forced Heo to take the blame for the “loss” of Jung’s application. Jung never understood why she was angry when she was helping him"

Perhaps rather than framing it as it's Jung who has something wrong with him because he can't "get" it - I'm wondering if actually, it's down to people having very different moral standards and codes of conducts. Sort of like how I know some people have a principle against tipping, so they may seem miserly in restaurants etc.

Perhaps Seol's moral framework is one of utmost empathy and kindness, in that she has even a problem with speaking up to defend herself against wrongful behaviours by those around her. This worldview makes her less amoral, not because she's intentionally such a moral person - but more because her avoidant personality makes it less likely for her to actively take advantage of another?

Aside for the very interesting ongoing debate as to whether Jung is a psychopath, sociopath, on which end of whatever spectrum - it may be that he truly doesn't think that the minor manipulations he does to balance things, are that wrong. And in some way, I am tempted to agree with him. It may be too emotionally taxing to have showdowns that way Bora does, and less fruitful to have outbursts like In Ho - perhaps it's one view that being efficient is good as it gets the job done, but also allows enough room for people who shift the directions behind the scenes. Ie. yes, he manipulates the Teacher into losing the paper, but he also lets him off having to publicly admit to stealing which would have been really detrimental to his record. So if Teacher really wanted to, he can stop stealing and clean up his act.

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Probably too late to tespond here, ha but I thought for ppl who are reading this later...

While I get what you are saying, I think it's interesting a lot of ppl with Aspergers are suspecting Jung has Aspergers or something on the spectrum. There's been 4 Aspies who have brought it up as a possibility.

I think this is because some of his actions and reactions are so familiar to us and also we understand how it can be misunderstood by other ppl as a lack of empathy, etc when actually ppl with Aspergers have empathy and feelings but it's expressed differently. Ex: I could see he was totally trying to comfort Seol in the hospital scene when she was startled by the sight of blood and he said its to be expected in a hospital. I found that comforting. Facts are comforting. But maybe not to some ppl.)

The manipulation part is the least familiar (most Apies are blunt to the point of social ineptitude) but you could see how that might happen to an Aspie if he's not allowed to have the withdrawal periods and sometimes in my own case, raging when I went into sensory overload until I learned to deal with it.

I mean, ultimately, it'll probably be an ambiguous undiagnosed something even if he has anything at all (he could just be a neuro-typical person with flaws as we all have) in the context of this drama, but I think some of us Aspies wanted to point it out.

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I agree with your take. People continue their particular behaviors until it reaches a point where they gain a reason to change and change is messy. All the main characters are are going through this part of growing up. Seol is learning how to stand up for herself after that devastating D. In ho is realizing he needs to take steps to end his self destructive runaway existence. "What HAVE I been doing for the last 5 years?" Jung and In ha are a ways away from their self realizations, but events are happening that may or may not give them a reason to change. No one's good advice or push in the right direction is going to make you change. You have to want it and make the effort to get it for yourself.
Labeling someone with a mental disorder may be a way of explaining behavior, but it doesn't excuse it. We still have to own our decisions. Our behavior is a result of our particular brain chemistry and filtered through our unique experiences. While it is a challenge to understand someone very different from ourselves, often we are motivated to try to find perspective to gain a connection.

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crying bc dramafever is making episode 9 for premium members only (damn they know where the money's at) but ! im excited abt this episode

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honestly, cheese is near and dear to my heart-- like you said, the conflict arises chiefly from the lack of trust and the difference in personality between seol and jung. they're so fundamentally different, yet somehow alike through their independence and self-sufficiency. like you said, it's unclear whether jung apologizes/feels remorse only because she's upset or actually understands the reasons behind her anger. i'm leaning towards the former. as discussed numerous times before, jung is a psychopath (albeit a high functioning one) and exhibits such tendencies. he understands at a logical level and knows how emotions work for others, but he himself doesn't feel them strongly if at all (besides the few times with seol, though it seems to me like amusement more than anything, perhaps a bit of endearment as well). he's such an interesting character, i can't get enough of him.

also i wrote some meta abt cheese in the trap and jung a few days ago :D check if out if you'd like http://kimbobby.gq/post/138326843160

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"like you said....like you said" skdfjslfk this is what happens when you don't proofread your comment >____<

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7 day wait for not premium.

I went premium at midnight last night. Only slightly addicted, heh.

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i knowww god, i don't want to go through the hassle of doing the free trial though... i guess i'll just have to look to 3rd party websites lol

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nooo don't cry! it's available on other websites for viewing too I just googled cheese in the trap ep __ and click one of the first links I hope it works for you!

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Just go to dramafire. I watched on dramafever first, but ugh, so many adds interrupting

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If you're wanting to use Dramfever..install adblock. I never see ads :)

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I'm going to jump in early today to ask a question I asked (too late) in the last recap - I was a bit confused on Jung's internship and how it works in this context. Is he taking the internship while taking some modules during the semester? Is the internship only for a couple of weeks? How is he in the same class as Seol?

Onto today's episode - I'm glad Seol asked only for time apart because I DO think they needed that time apart but not to break up (breaking up is too final!!). In all the instances before this Seol "forgave" him too easily and allowed him to sweep their problems under the carpet but this time she can't (and rightfully so!). His moment of reflection as he stands flicking the lights on/ off give me a bit of hope that he won't give up on this relationship as easily as he has with other relationships that have caused him trouble but like JB I'm not convinced he "gets it"...or that he ever will in the sense that people seem to expect him to develop a sense of empathy for others. BUT I think he can develop an intellectual understanding/model that simulates that and I'm hoping his relationship with Seol is what gets him there.

Minsoo scares me by the way. Even more than Young-gon. YG is crazy but he is, in a way, more self-aware of his insanity? MS on the other hand...she is a complete basket case and I almost fear for when Seoul's brother meets her on campus again (it's bound to happen at some point! And what if Ah Young is just dragged in?!).

I have weird moments of sympathy for In Ha sometimes and then sometimes (like in this episode) I just want to slap her SO badly it's like a physical itch. Spilling ramen on her brother's piano books? Outright mean. But I kinda get that she's maybe still stuck in the days where the 3 of them were "happy" (although even back then you could see Jung was even worse off than he is now in terms of understanding people's emotions and feelings and HIS own even...at least now he understands and acknowledges his own feelings as per his confession to Seol in the park) and therefore she might have thought she was doing Jung a favour by mouthing off to Seol thinking Seol was pestering Jung (who had, until now, not debunked this and no one else realises how serious he is in his pursuit of Seol, not even Inho I think). So I can see why she felt affronted after she did him a "favour" while he clearly is just tired of dealing with her and her antics and just wants her to GO AWAY. I have never felt sorrier for Jung - he seriously emanates this "why won't people just leave us be?". Sigh. Poor fella. But he, uh...kinda got himself into this too...so like all the other people he manipulated...this is a consequence of his own bearing. He knows it and he knows words aren't enough, which is why those last few seconds in the episode were particularly touching - he just misses her so much that he wants to just be able to hug her for a bit. It's the first time he tried being first...

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When I was finished my BS, I had my internship left and two other classes before graduation. So I too the internship plus the two classes in the same semester. So it happens that one can do their internship while finishing up the last class or two classes they have left.

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When I was "finishing" not "finished", sorry for the typo

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Thanks! Didn't realise people could do that as I'd assumed internships needed full time presence (had partly assumed this based on experience), but certainly sounds entirely plausible. I suppose it boils down to how flexible an arrangement you have with the school and the organisation that is hosting you as an intern.

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Yes, it is possible. I'm a medical student and last sem before graduation internship was crazy. It was either in the morning I go on duty and in the afternoon I go to class...or i'll go on duty after my afternoon class just like jung. And internship lasts for a whole semester or until you completed the required time.

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Min Soo is just. I have no words. It's very hard for me to watch any of her scenes, or even really discuss her actions at length because I feel such a sick mixture of emotions. The way she's able to so easily delude herself is beyond horrifying to watch. Seol's brother needs a protection squad.

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Omg! She uses his pic as a screensaver?!?!? ?

That freaked me out.

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She is so creepy that woman. She freaks me out. Like, seriously, everybody needs to step back from her. She reminds me of one of those creepy thrillers where before you know it, the main lead is stuck in some basement and she is outside locking the door with a knife and a glint in her eye....

Oof! OK I just scared myself. :/

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Totally get this.

There was this woman at my gym and she kept effusively complimenting me and would ask where I bought my clothes, makeup, etc and I kept catching her staring at me intensely.

I felt uncomfortable coz I thought I should maybe just be flattered and she just wanted to be my friend but lacked social skills (which got my sympathy as I can be awkward in that dept myself except with my "safe" ppl friends).

Then she started dressing like me and ppl at the gym said she will Lock me in the cellar and take my skin or something and I told them to shut up, that's freakin'scary. Not funny.

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Loved your comments. Particularly on Jung, and I agree absolutely. He's able to leave it all in the past, not realising the consequences are a little more longer lasting (poor Seol-ah).

Usually Jung gives his targets enough rope to hang themselves (hello Min Soo), Seol is the only outlier so far.

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"I have weird moments of sympathy for In Ha sometimes and then sometimes (like in this episode) I just want to slap her SO badly it’s like a physical itch."

Agreed! Sometimes, I wonder if it's a directing issue (or intention?) that our thoughts towards In-Ha keep hovering between tremulous pity and complete disgust.

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I think intent. It's a fine balance actually, but it keeps her human and it keeps people connected to her when they can see flashes of understanding (and then it immediately gets subverted by an action of her own doing because ARGH INHA YOU ARE SUCH A (insert appropriate expletive here) NOW) even if they think she is crazy. She's an interesting character, for all her insanity, but seriously everyone should take Inho's advice and run far and fast when they see her. Although I have to say that her scene was Minsoo was super satisfying HAHAHA Minsoo totally deserved a plate of Inha at that point.

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I didn't even realise my post was truncated until I came back to read it!

Wanted to say: It's the first time he tried being the first one to reach out in reconciliation (the other times, Seol was the first one to make the move - either to suggest talking it through, or to meet up etc.) so that gives me an understanding of the importance he has placed on this relationship. It's certainly evolved from when they had their first fight and when he was so completely ready to disengage with her whereas here - he wasn't ready to give up, but it's also slightly depressing cos you can tell he doesn't know what to do. Heck, I don't know what he CAN do at this point!

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As a MBA I had to take an internship and did it during school and my part-time. Since Jung is in his final years, he probably has a lighter load than I had back then, so he can do a full-time internship while attending school

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I love that Seol is finally getting outside of her head. She's finally just speaking what's on her mind. I love a K-drama heroine that is strong. Women are multifaceted, so while we may doubt ourselves, there are times when we take a stand. I'm happy that Seol has really found her voice.

Jung now realizes that Seol is not like him. She will no longer disregard things or hold them in until later. She is not a pushover. She will not allow people to take advantage of her.

There are some really annoying characters in this show. Baek In Ha is as crazy as they come. Min Soo is annoying and weak. Young-go is a crazy stalker and his girlfriend loves to run her mouth. Sangchul is an irresponsible meathead.....and the list goes on.

I love the break-up scene. The lighting and the setting were just so pretty. It looked like a perfect autumn late evening. Gorgeous shot. It's nice to see that Yoon Jung was so hurt after the breakup. He cannot always have things go his way. Also, I love what his dad told him on the elevator. The chairman said, "you can't control everything" and he really needs to learn this lesson starting now.

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Oh, is that what he meant by that? Do you guys think? I couldn't tell.

But I'm loathe to believe the words (and judgment) of a man turning the lights on and off anyway?.

Yeah, how upset he was gave me some hope that he is slowly changing...or will change. But I need to see something concrete before I'll ship him with our precious Seol

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That's an interesting interpretation. I wasn't sure that was what Jung was referring to. I'm not sure even now, but I'd like it to be true because I think it gives him a little more EQ/emotional maturity. I don't think Jung quite gets it though. I thought he was just saying, you don't understand me after all because we're not alike.

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I'm curious that you found the lights thing disturbing. (You're not the only one – I remember people referencing a similar scene in the webtoon, during the time Bora's dad was in the hospital and Jung was allegedly too happy to be alone in the darkness.) I thought turning lights on and off was a pretty neutral way to react, and certainly not maladaptive. I seem to remember that the words being bandied around last week included "psychopath", "sociopath", and "mentally ill". Turning lights on and off is nothing compared to the ways a lot of actually mentally ill people respond to rejection. And make no mistake, Seol's reaction to Jung, while appropriate, was a rejection.

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How do mentally ill people respond to rejection? I'd really like to know, because I've known quite a few mentally ill people and I've yet to find a pattern.

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I've been trying not to get into a discussion of it here, but there are so many forms of mental illness, and the categories matter. It's been really frustrating to me to see the half-baked discussions of mental illness in relation to Jung. I mean, people are confusing "psychopathic" and "psychotic", and bringing in "personality disorder". And those are all different things. Just to give you some sort of answer, Jon, I'll focus on personality disorder (which, in itself, is not monolithic either). Someone upthread mentioned borderline personality disorder; a person with BPD might self-harm when rejected. In fact, with some BPD patients, it takes less then actual (objective) rejection. They've been known to panic when simply left alone, and panic can lead them to harm themselves or others.

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I recognize that I didn't answer your question, Jon, because the answer is, there is no pattern, OR, the pattern depends on the actual type of mental illness. And even for each type, there's a range. I mentioned above that personality disorders are not monolithic; there are three clusters, and then there's "personality disorder not otherwise specified". And of course, as with all fields, there's disagreement between sources, between schools of thought, and between one time period and another. When I was a student, one of my books mentioned a thing called "undifferentiated personality disorder", which I can't find any longer (on a cursory Google search).

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I also wondered what he meant when he said "I thought you were like me" - in the very surface sense? That they are both intelligent, studious and tend to avoid messy direct confrontation?

It is very difficult to gleam what he is thinking and given the back and forth timeline, when his thinking changed. The drawback of mainly following Seol's point of view!

It seemed to me that his feelings for her changed after she took care of him when he had his fever at the bar. At that time they did not get along, yet she still noticed and helped him without expectation. While Jung has no interest in the feelings of people he dislikes or the affect of his manipulations on them, Seol still sees "the enemy" as a person and is able to have concern for them. It seems that their difference rather than their sameness is what really attracted him.

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I think Jung believes Seol is like him because she sees through the surface layer and is very internal.

Overall it doesn't look like Jung intervenes when it comes to outside matters. We've seen a few examples now, but they've mostly been Seol-related; there was the Sang Chul instance too, but that was more of a small corrective nudge. Jung mostly does his work, does it well, will take on the work of others in his group to ensure a good grade and keep things calm, and observes. That pretty accurately captures Seol too.

What doesn't match is how they undertake actions. Jung cooly manipulates and really doesn't allow things to ruffle him; Seol gets very churned up inside and is much more likely to openly confront someone, even when she hasn't ensured victory. The presentation is an example: Jung sets Min Soo up to fail, and Seol takes Sang Chul's name off their report. The end result is the same: both Min Soo and Sang Chul get zeroes for their grade. But Sang Chul exploded and is likely now gunning for Seol, while Jung left no fingerprints behind.

They're both intelligent and perceptive loners, but Seol feels more deeply and is more impacted by injustice, and wants more concrete resolutions. Jung plays a much longer game and cares more about result than process. It's only now that Jung realizes that's a difference that matters.

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Very interesting comparative description. I think I agree with you.

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His dad makes me so suspect though.

Like, yeah, wise words and kudos to him for finally seeming to care enough about Jung to give him advice (every other scene with him is always about the Baek siblings). But I'm still suspicious and weary lol.

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I agree with you about the dad. His constant pressure on Jung, and seemingly unconditional positive regard for the Baek siblings, just makes me tired. He has more culpability than he thinks for how Jung has turned out.

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Agree. I'm waiting for a flashback on this, a glimpse into Jung's formative years

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I seriously don't know what to think about the dad at this point LOL he seems so sensible in the way he's been talking to Jung...but then you look at the Baek siblings...and you wonder...and then you look at Jung...and you also wonder... Plus the show has done such a fabulous job of building constructs and then destroying them with a turn in perspective - I suspect we will get treated to that soon for the dad!

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Also, yay for her two best friends. Aside from Seol defending herself, I love that Bora leaps to her defense no matter what.

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I'm in withdrawal mode before the show even ends. Can it be?? Love Jung, 'psycho' as he is, love love love Seol for being one of the spunkiest yet level-headed heroine ever. Love everything else, from the best to the worst, the show brings them all.

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lmao what the hell is up with the kids at this university? its just one after another isn't it? but seol was seriously freaking awesome this episode . you go girl.

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The last scene, the back hug, I thought that was really gentle, sincere and putting his pride down. He misses her that much! It was very sweet! I am really, really loving this trap:)

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I felt that that back-hug was him silently asking her, in his own way, not to leave him, and that he's waiting for her... no words needed kind of scene.

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Your comment is a perfect description, made my tearducts sting but i held back.

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While it was sweet.. Am I the only one who is still confused about why Jung likes Seol SO MUCH? :o Why does it seem like just one act of care towards him is enough to win his complete dedication..?

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rather than liking her i feel like he's more intrigued by her? because she's (i know, cliche) different from everyone else, the way she reacts to his actions are very different and i feel like he sees a bit of himself in her independence and self sufficiency

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I think he's always had a heightened awareness of her but it wasn't until the incident at the bar and her taking his hand that he realised he was attracted to her.

He was intrigued and wanted to know her better which was why he kept asking her to eat with him then after dating for a while he's in serious like but I wouldn't say either of them are in love yet. Thy're both cautious kitties when it comes to their emotions.

That's my take on it anyway and it feels a lot more natural than most romances in kdramas.

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Because she did not take advantage of their closeness like other people before?

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I think he's moved on from being intrigued by, attracted to and serious like to love. I think Jung's in love with Seol but doesn't even know it yet...as for Seol, she seriously likes him, but I hesitate to say she loves him...She's not at that stage, yet.

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Yeah, I agree too. It wasn't love during the first fight they had. But I think it has progressed over the last few weeks. And who can blame him -- Seol is so loveable.

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He is an example of a dramatic trope: what the hell is this that I am feeling?

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Love it :) Thank you JB.

Especially: "freakishly smart robot with Jedi-mind tricking abilities". :D

Tbh, I felt like I needed therapy after watching this episode...talk about second-hand stress!!! ?

I felt so bad for her because I know what it's like to be a doormat (with ppl walking all over you) then to start standing up yourself. Ppl are so used to pushing you around; they are more angry then they have any right to be or would be to someone they know is always assertive or even downright cruel.

I think both Inho and Jung have helped her to stand up for herself and then all the loonies around her just pushed her to this point.

So we are getting character development in Seol but what about Jung? Yeah, I'm not sure either. I liked that he accepted responsibility but I don't quite understand why he doesn't tell her once he realizes InHa sent a hella lot more texts and of a more disturbing nature than he knew?

He accepted responsibility for sending the texts. To me, it seems like Seol thinks he sent ALL of them? In her shoes, I could see myself getting very, very upset about the later texts (which are just criminal) while the earlier ones are simple statements, ill-intentioned or not. But he just throws the phone in the sink. I don't get it.

That means she still doesn't have the whole picture.

Is it that he SHOULD have known how far InHa would/could go?

To me, not telling her the truth is just as harmful and manipulative than pulling that crap in the first place.

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That's what threw me off. He DID have a valid (still stupid, but valid) defense in saying In Ha was the one who sent those wayyyyy worse messages??? Like, Jung??? What??? Are you doing???

I find his ill-intentioned statement as you put it of "I guess Seol likes you" pretty tame. I could find that more easily forgivable. But then he threw the phone in the sink.

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Nah, defending himself at that point just would have sounded worse - if she discovers it from a third source or party then it might edge her towards forgiveness but actually it still doesn't resolve the core differences between them so I'm actually glad they are letting this play out (because Jung could have easily tried to manipulate the situation such that she did discover that from a third source!). Until they are able to bridge the gap between them I find it hard for them to stay together, as much chemistry as they generate.

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He gave the phone to In Ha knowing what she's like and after hearing her brag about getting rid of the chewing gum sticking to him.

He might not have sent the worst texts himself but it's almost splitting hairs at this point considering all that happened. Seol might find out that In Ha sent the later texts but that doesn't absolve Jung from the part he played in setting the situation up.

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Nah, Jung's screwed himself with the Young Gon situation.

He apparently bought a phone with the specific purpose of giving Young Gon the number (or bought a second phone and then gave everyone his new number other than Young Gon). He then set a chain of events in motion and handed his phone to a rabid fox. Even Jung knows that he's culpable for what ended up going down.

Jung's specialty is leaving a crime scene without fingerprints. He thrives on plausible denial. He made a massive mistake by handing that phone off to In Ha, because in doing so he basically let her masquerade as him. He knew she was doing it and didn't step in - he's responsible for the fallout.

He's a smart enough guy to know that Seol would see right through any sort of excuse. He knows what In Ha's like, she knows what In Ha is like, they both know Young Gon's personality... It's almost worse this way because it shows Jung cared so little for her that he was willing to let In Ha and Young Gon play with her like cats batting around a mouse.

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He doesn't clarify because, well, in a way he did cause everything to happen when he let Inha send the subsequent texts to Seol - it doesn't matter that he didn't know how far it would go (that's clearly not a valid excuse). Also at that point any further clarifications would have just sounded like excuses and denials. I'm actually glad that he manned up and accepted the responsibility of his actions. The question is - what will he DO? HOW is he going to "accept" this responsibility? Right now apologies and words won't suffice because he's clearly crossed a line (one that he had been edging on for some time now).

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This is true. Maybe him actually taking the blame fully (he was really ultimately at fault for letting In Ha get involved) IS a step in the right direction for his character.

And maybe he felt further clarification would be too much intrusion upon Seol's need for some space? I'll have hope lol.

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While I see why you think it's important to give Seol the whole picture about what happened, an argument can be made (and is being made, very well, by Rainerust and KK) that Jung was ultimately responsible for the whole thing. Inha's involvement wasn't even a knock-on effect – he was right there when she made the decision to get involved. So I have no problem with the way Jung responded when Seol confronted him.

And yet Jung was right when he said Younggon was the problem. Younggon may have been egged on, but nobody put a gun to his head and made him be a stalker. It's just that, of course, Seol wants to be able to trust her boyfriend, and should be able to trust her boyfriend. And Jung needs to show that he's worthy of that trust.

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Yeah, that's true and my hubs said so too but I just thought after he's accepted responsibility, why can't he later add that he himself would never willingly say those things?

I see a difference between you doing it and your agent doing it without your precise knowledge.

Then Seol can say, "see? That's why u shouldn't instigate things because they go out of your control after you pull the string! It ripples out."

He basically also accepted responsibility for things InHa did. Yes he started it and made it possible but he is taking more than his fair share. Where the justice in that? O.o InHa doesn't get her fair desserts.

Is that what happened with InHo's hand? Jung says it wasn't him but maybe he knows InHa was involved but he won't state her involvement. Maybe I'm foreshadowing too much. Idk, lol. This ep just drove me crazy.

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I see this point too, not as much as a defense for Jung but because these little technical details remaining unknown and not clarified to Seol does bother me. Especially because I sadly think her reaction would have been slightly different, but maybe that's why it needed to be like this. It didn't need to be easy for Jung this time.

But if she can truly forgive him for all of that...I'm not sure what it'd take to officially break them up.

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...it's kinda a lot to forgive though. But I like how the hurdle in their relationship isn't external (because in real life, it rarely is!) but it's about reconciling different value systems, frames of references, mental models - what it means to them and to each other whenever something happens and whenever they respond to these situations. Seol has been enormously mature in her handling of everything so far, and I'm seeing this as Jung having to step up now and bend to meet her because so far, he's been trying to do it "his way" by asking her to put everything behind her and concentrating on the here and now. At some point he was going to have to confront the fact that life doesn't work like that and that there will always be consequences that need bearing if you embark on a certain path - he has always been the one to manoeuvre others into this and now, unfortunately, he's the one who got himself into this hole.

If they work through this though...adversity builds bonds? So certainly their relationship will (and should) get stronger...but there's always something that can break people apart. Drifting apart, lack of understanding, forgetting how important the other person really is to you, taking things for granted etc.

I really like this concept of working on "like"/"love" in drama land though because it's rare that you get two characters who need to work through personal relationship issues in such a way.

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This is true. Jung should take the blame. He encouraged YG to pursue Sul. Even if he wasn't the one who continued texting YG, the fact that he knew Inha's craziness makes him guilty. BUT, Jung probably didn't know that YG would go to that extent stalking and harassing Sul. I can't remember that episode when Sul actually approached Jung to confront him about YG. Then after that, YG was out of the scene. I think that Jung owning his faults is better than being defensive. Maybe the cooling off will eventually make them realize that love, trust and forgiveness really do matter in any relationship.

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I think, too, it was probably a horrible shock to realize just how much Jung disliked her. He hasn't been oblivious or ignorant of YG's actions and how terrifying that whole experience was for her, and he didn't even fess up until asked directly. To come to terms with how the guy you've come to like and accept disliked you THAT much in the past would be really hard to swallow. It's not just that she trusted he had nothing to do with it and did, but that he truly did dislike her enough to allow that to happen. Compare that Jung to the guy tearing up in front of her and apologizing must be mind-boggling.

And for him I think it's simple logic in that the past is the past and he likes her now and has apologized, so what's the issue? Seeing him upset was encouraging, though.

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Yes, I can see how it would feel like a ton of bricks falling on Seol. I can also see how Jung could compartmentalize it: "I didn't like you then. I like you now." But of course, to Seol, "Uh, that person you hated last year? I'm still that person now." To belabor a point, it's personal.

And yes, I was encouraged by how upset Jung was. I liked the reactions of both the leads in this episode. They both acted naturally and realistically, and still in a well-meaning fashion.

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I didn't think it was possible to have cast this well against the webtoon. The guy that plays Oh Young Gon is perfect. He plays it so well and creepy - better than I would have imagined that character come to life. I always like characters like In Ho and was very disappointed when I saw that SKJ was playing him, but he's won me over. I really thought he was bland in Hwajung and Sly n Single. He popped out at my on the show suspicious housekeeper, but only for his face.

I'm really curious how the rest of the show plays out, but so far it's been a nice refresher from when I read most of the webtoon. I still need to catch up.

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TV Oh Young Gon is somehow CREEPIER than the webtoon. All the little nervous tics and mutterings? In the webtoon I halfway believed that he was a normal guy who just got carried away, but here it's clear that there's something genuinely unhinged about him. It makes him much scarier to me.

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Whoah Inha's craziness was helpful today. I'm not even sorry about Minsoo. God she is soooo creepy. And that stalker boy urgh... I'm really anticipating Jung's growth in this drama. I really can't figure him out but I also trust him when he said that he didn't really know things would turn out this way.

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Every time I think it's impossible to love Seol more than I already do, I'm proven wrong. She's not taking anyone's crap now, and I'm loving it. I'm actually so ready for her to (literally) take down Min Soo. And how endearing was she when she rightfully wanted space from Jung but then got annoyed when he appeared to be ignoring her lol?

It was nice seeing Jung broken down and unsure while suffering the consequences of his actions. What I'm actually really loving about this main couple is how the drama is portraying the huge difference between the girl being aware and possibly coming to accept the flaws/wrongdoings of the guy versus excusing those flaws/wrongdoings as romantic by default 'cause hey, she likes him, right? Seol likes Jung, but it doesn't nullify past actions, or make anything he does for her now romantic just because it's "for her." And Jung, because of her, is finally having to examine his actions and how they affect others. Will he change? I honestly doubt it. But it's refreshing how the drama is approaching this entire romance.

However, I'm shallow and loved that back hug, I won't lie. Give me all the hug and kiss scenes between these two.

In Ho and Jung's flashback. THE BROMANCE WAS SO REAL. I have too many thoughts about the Baek siblings and Jung's past dynamics. But this comment is already a rambling mess so I just won't even go there.

YG, Min Soo, In Ha...here we've been stuck on Jung when these are the real crazies. I'm still willing to give In Ha a chance because of everything in her flashbacks but she just needs to get a job and be busy for once. Girl has too much time on her hands.

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OMG, the bromance!!!

I said I ship Jung and Inho previously (as a joke regarding the shipping wars) but after that flashback, the BROMANCE is competing with the romance as far as my heart is concerned.

Like I'm okay with Seol choosing neither man as long as InHo and Jung make up. Sniff. I seriously felt like crying, watching that flashback.

And did you guys notice Inho told Jung almost exactly the same thing as he told Seol?
And he also said that thing Jung parrots "it's not you that's strange but they are strange" (or words to that effect).

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What really stood out to me is In Ho basically tells him to not think twice at getting back at people using you. Don't be a pushover! Then In Ho thinks Jung betrayed him and is indirectly behind his hand getting ruined...

Did Jung think at some point that In Ho was the one "using" him and decided to use In Ho's very advice against him?

Honestly, same! Their bromance was too good to give up forever, I need it mended.

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Oohh, interesting point!! I can see this as a possibility behind their fallout. Although I too am rooting for the bromance and the reconciliation. I hope that they get to talk things out and resolve matters and seek a way to move forward together.

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+1 to both your comments re: bromance. Ugh that flashback scene hurt so much (in a good way!...bad way?....some...way...) because you could really see that unlike with other people, Jung really lets his shields down with Inho. Actually he still does - whenever he is in a scene with Inho, he's clearly not the "nice" persona he cultivates in front of others. He's comfortable enough to push back and he's rarely malicious in the intent of pushing back too. GAH - these two have me as invested in their relationship as I am in the lead couple!

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Second that, seeing that flashback really hit home for in their friendship. Jung was really a pushover but at the same time I can feel the restrictions he had to live compare to Inhofe and Inha. Makes me feel bad for him and can see why the way he is. Especially when he said you guys can live freely...during the fireworks scene.

I also think the hand is Inha related and Jung probably took the blame. From what I keep getting from the show is everything happen is revolve around some kind of misunderstanding.

This episode was hard to watch too much crazies and too less couple time!

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I loved the Bromance! ... The 2 actors have fantastic chemistry - even in the drunk seol scene. I just want them to hug it out and patch up

Totally agree with what you said. I liked the fact that seol is not letting Jung's popularity/money wash away her apprehensions and she does call him out. Though i think he will change, he is already changing - From deleting her messages to actually being the one to take the first step and hug her. Progress ! Baby steps .... Baby Steps !!!

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I love love love this show, my obsession is reaching Healer level. I was so miserable after seeing last week's preview, i was expecting a bummer episode but that back hug saved it all,there's hope that cute love will win.
Feeling feels.

Someone swat Youngon, use industrial strength spray if necessary Jung use your superpowers, seol will understand.

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Lol, @ Jung use your superpowers ?

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I ❤️ CITT

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Me too. Me too.

Addiction level. Woah. This drama is just so good! It's hitting all the right spots for me.

We've been blessed in winter dramas these last few years. I sorta remember that Healer, and Kill Me Heal Me were released in the winter too.

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Lets give Jung a chance...

All we've heard so far is everyone side of their story of Jung, but never his. Why he acted the way he is?

I hate In-ha...

Annoying, selfish girl who thinks only for herself. Aah i sense another problematic plan from In-ha

Yong Goon? Min Soo?

Both of you please get help from psychologist

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How truly satisfying to see people get their comeuppance. In moments like these I can truly understand Jung and his desire to avenge all wrongs to him (a fairly recent desire it seems, as the flashback seemed to portray. So what exactly was it that flipped the switch in him, so to speak? Or did he just reach his breaking point, like Seol clearly did today.)

Speaking of, QUEEN OF MY HEART, HONG SEOL. I feel like a lot of dramas are often concerned about making their characters more likeable, than they are human or relatable. Which is why we so often have the 'no matter what happens to me, I'm going to hold it in' trope go haywire. Which has often, in many a school/college based kdrama utterly baffled me, especially when it's in relation to extremely serious matters, like being accused of stealing a test etc. Drama characters in general tend to maintain a stoic silence on that which unfairly implicates them, if telling the truth would implicate someone else, even if the someone else was actually responsible. And this seems to stick no matter how wrongful the implication, how grave the consequences. We so often have group punishments in dramaland, with everyone accepting the blame for something that they're not involved with as a symbol of their solidarity and niceness over the villainy of someone else. And sometimes, that's okay. But sometimes it's just not.

In which context, I feel like Hong Seol's open accusation of Min Soo, no longer Mr. Nice Guy, was absolutely and utterly delightful and a really different drama moment. She is so human and relatable, it's just incredible. I like that we had that moment where you can see that she's just reached her breaking point. And it wasn't because of external factors. It wasn't that she was fighting with Jung and was just in a bad mood and displaced it, she made a conscious choice to confront all that she'd been letting slide. Confrontational Seol is a new favorite. I also love that the drama didn't try to excessively justify her behavior; we know she could have confronted Min Soo after the presentation, she could have told Sang Chul that she had cut him off, etc., but she chose not to. This drama cares more about Seol than it necessarily does about audience reception of her (since the fact that so many dramas fear to tread this ground makes me thing they're afraid of some kind of viewer backlash, no matter how inexplicable it may seem). She was openly suspicious of Jung and short with In Ho. Her moods don't cater to any sort of high ground of absolute niceness. And I also love that the show gives her enough space to irrational and human; like ignoring Jung in class, but getting mad when he ignored her in return. Definitely one of my favorites.

NOT ENOUGH BAEK IN HO TBH. (Although, in my opinion, there can never be enough Baek In Ho, so.) I need so much more of him tomorrow. I LOVE that he got as worked up about Jung in the past as he does about Seol in the present. And such a...

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...marshmallow, worrying about Seol and taking care of In Ha and covering it up with his usual bluster. Basically, this boy deserves everything he's ever wanted in my book.

Also that actor playing Young Gon is just SO GOOD, because I get exactly the sort of vibes from him that they're trying to portray. I am so legit creeped out by him. Ditto the actress playing Min Soo. This drama is so perfectly cast, it's almost unreal.

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YES, YES, YES.
I share your love of Hong.
Seol has always been able to stand up for herself like when she confronts Jung about the receipts and in the flashback when she asked him about Young Gon. I think that she just wants to avoid confrontation when possible which is why she let them get off easy when they all ditched their work in the first group project. But she's not afraid to speak up when she wants to.

HECK YES WE NEED MORE BAEK IN HO. But really, more Baek In Ho and Seol, romantic-wise or not, I don't care, I just like seeing them together because they crack me up. And make me smile. And really happy. And yeah.

I actually...kinda...think the actor playing Young Gon is good-looking but his character is so rage-inducing and horrible that I won't allow myself to think that.

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Hahaha, Baek In-Ho and Seol is good, but.. I'll also have more In-Jung, please.

BROMANCE FTW!

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Oh yes, Hong Seol Queen of my Heart indeed! I was fist pumping for every moment that Seol acted like a real human instead of a kdrama cinderella. Taking Sung Chul's name off without telling him, calling Min Soo out in front of teach, trying to set Young Gon up, not accepting Min Soo's fake apology even though social pressure is high in those situations (as Young Gon knew it would be). She's the best and yes, these aspects that set her apart from her kdrama counterparts is what makes her a truly awesome and realistic character. Love her and Kim Go Eun is so fabulous I will be following her career eagerly.

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This drama cares more about Seol than it necessarily does about audience reception of her (since the fact that so many dramas fear to tread this ground makes me thing they’re afraid of some kind of viewer backlash, no matter how inexplicable it may seem). She was openly suspicious of Jung and short with In Ho. Her moods don’t cater to any sort of high ground of absolute niceness. And I also love that the show gives her enough space to irrational and human; like ignoring Jung in class, but getting mad when he ignored her in return.

This. So much. A lead character, a female lead at that, with a personality.

This seems to be one of the main conceptional ideas of the show, to put character coherence first. Many characters, both "good" ones and "villains", are behaving as if they don't know their specific roles in this drama, as if they would actually following their individual personal agendas, using their individual character traits. It's almost as if they don't care whether the audience struggles to love, hate, pity or curse them.

Bo-ra's rawness is not only not always helpful to Seol (to put it mildly), it doesn't even contribute to the functional plot most of the time. But it sure is consistent to her character and it helps to translate Seol's character development. Minor characters like Da-young, who clearly function as minor plot devices, are still drawn with a lot of consistency.

Even the "mental" characters are not just there for the Evulz, they are following a line of action that is very true to their own world-view: Min-soo, In-ha and Jung.

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YES. This entire comment - absolutely agree! It's refreshing, realistic, painful and it also strongly resonates. I partly think that this is the same phenomenon as Misaeng and explains why both dramas are as well done as they are - they are raw, they are true to life but pieced together in a narratively interesting way, and they make us care deeply about the characters who have a life of their own and clearly occupy a space beyond what we are shown in the drama. Funny that both are webtoons...and says something about the quality of dramas being produced when original writers are kept in the drama producing team when attempting adaptations...

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Hmm. I must see this Misaeng now ☺️

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I loved "Misaeng"! You might find it interesting, petra.

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Can someone just squeal with me over In-Ho. OMG. That little part where he was making sure his sister was warm and then just threw the blanket over her head and then felt bad and took her glasses off and was going to tuck her in properly but then once again just covered her face with the blanket.

WHERE CAN I GET A BROTHER LIKE HIM? NO, WHERE CAN I FIND A BOYFRIEND LIKE HIM?????? Goddammit, what are you doing to us Seo Kang-Joon?

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AND THE OST. I absolutely love whoever is in charge of the soundtrack of most tvN's dramas.

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Yeah...I replayed that scene so many times! You can feel his love for his sister mixed up with his exasperation with her. He tried to gently tuck her in, but ended up throwing the covers over her face!

It's little details like these, played so perfectly that make this drama a true gem.

And the OST for this drama is so, so good! I am going to try to get my hands on most of the tracks when the show has finished its run.

In ho is the best brother. He accomodates his sister knowing she's crazy, and feels guilty for the way he hurt her in the past. Yet he doesn't hesitate to warn Seol away from his crazy noona. I like that he's not blinded by a false sense of loyalty. He can love his sister and be there for her, yet still call her out on her faults and protect innocent people from getting hurt by yer.

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Gosh this episode did a number on my emotions and I LOVED it. I feel like Seol -- I want to understand Jung and I feel like the drama has kept us away from his perspective (save for a few moments). I hope that he will be able to overcome his obstacles and be happy. And I LOVE SEOL!! AND BORA!!! #BFFGoals <3

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Bo Ra sticking up for Seol was one of the best parts of the episode. Also Eun Taek/Bo Ra/Seol was great. When ET was telling Bo Ra to be quiet asking about Jung in class to the filming later on. I love them. I love them all.

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But on the 'not enough In Ho' part, two moments of his really stood out for me; the scene with him watching Jung and Seol fight and when Inha spilled ramyun all over his piano books. I don't know what it was about those moments, but they felt incredibly nuanced to me. His monologic acknowledgment of how beautiful the evening was, his badly disguised concern about how the evening was made for love, not fighting. It's even more interesting how subdued he was, because he clearly likes (or is beginning to like) Seol, but he also clearly wasn't viewing the scenario according to his stake in it, which he may not even yet realize, but that he'd rather have them not fight and Seol happy. I like that the moment wasn't played as him witnessing the fight and rushing to comfort Seol, as it could have been, it was played at him being genuinely convinced and awkwardly worried that she must be unhappy, but letting her be. Not immediately trying to address it to her or fix it for her or chasing after her, while she was still vulnerable. I love that.

And there was something so palpably sad about the In Ha/In Ho moment. The really open realization that in their case, it's not just a matter of siblings being siblings and getting into fights and arguments, but secretly loving each other all the while, as it is with siblings in general. That one scene shows how very fractured they truly are. In Ha's casual cruelty in both the ramyun scene and in telling him that his dream of playing the piano is mere delusion now. And In Ho having no response in his repertoire to be able to deal with anything she says. That he, the same guy who's so quick to address injustices when it comes to others, just let it go, was so telling, and just a little bit heartbreaking.

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That ramyun scene really bothered me. I know ppl have been saying InHa might've been involved in InHo's hand incident and that ramyun spill on his piano books makes me think she was.

I guess we shall see.

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If it turns out Inha was involved, nobody can say there weren't any clues. Ha!

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It made me take notice as well. The way she *accidentally* spilled the ramyun looking totally not sorry and scoffing "You still think you're a genius" and when she pointedly said "I'm not sure. What did make me this way" made me think that there might indeed be a possibility of her being involved in In Ho's hand accident. I think he really did a number on her when he belittled her when they were younger.

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I really loved how In Ho just let it go because to me, he does recognize on some level the part he played in who In Ha is today. Sure she'd probably still have been bratty and spoiled, but she might've had a dream. A goal. He essentially crushed her joy for the one thing she seemed to put effort into, and now I'm not sure if In Ha actually believes she's capable of doing anything other than leeching off people financially and shopping. If In Ho follows his dream again and is successful, she's left behind and alone. But I felt the blanket scene after was a great touch and a really great In Ho moment.

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Funny thing is: If In-ho wasn't so sympathetic with In-ha, she'd probably be much better off. Just like with Jung, In-ho tries to help people and makes things worse unwittingly.

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I love your comments, especially about In-Ho. :'(

Can we get someone to be a Daddy Long-Legs to this guy for an episode? Forever?

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It looks like In Ho matured while In Ha didn't.

In Ho cut himself off from Jung's cash flow for five years, and probably learned a lot of hard lessons out in the world. He's still arrogant but not invulnerable, and it's worth noting how hard he works at the Hong restaurant (and notable that he keeps Jun in line too). He does seem to have a sense of fairness and knows how to right a wrong.

In Ha didn't learn any of those coping mechanisms. She lived in an insulated cocoon and seems to have deliberately made herself helpless with the fallback plan of making someone take care of her. She's relying on others viewing her as so pathetic that they just let her act as she will and give her the money to stay out of their hair. It's working so far.

I'm not sure how much of this we can root back to their childhood fights. In Ha sounds like she was a delusional unholy terror, and In Ho was an arrogant child genius who nonetheless was extremely protective of Jung. In Ho always had the seeds of empathy in him, and In Ha was oriented towards narcissism. In Ha destroying In Ho's music books feels less like a childhood payback and more another example of In Ha just being destructive and self-centered.

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I have no coherent thoughts on this episode (yet) because of the preview. Anyone else here seen it?

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I may or may not have replayed the previews once....
...twice....
.................Maybe three times...
Until I convinced myself that the previews are almost always misleading anyway.

That won't stop me from thinking about it all night and letting it affect my emotions in all kinds of awful and simultaneously delightful ways, tho.

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That kiss, though! Heh heh

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Reading the comments got me thinking how did InHa get her phone back? and with all her old contacts no way she had the money to buy the same phone and she isnt smart enough to remember the numbers by heart and Jung totally destroyed the one had

Jung is up to his tricks it has to be him

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I thought the "Jung Orchestration" argument this episode was a little weak. No matter how I look at it, giving someone the link to a reference- regardless of whether or not he knew Min Soo would copy the whole thing- is just not the same as guiding an outcome. The link is too tenuous. I know that it was supposed to come off as another one of his avenging acts, but it didn't give that puppeteer vibe of leading to an inevitable conclusion. He might have KNOWN, but imo his culpability in this particular incident is very low. That's a whole different level of stupidity on Min Soo's part. What IS interesting is that Jung has to have know what Min Soo had done, considering that the group projects are all compiled together at the end and everyone has a copy, and since he sent her the link, the presumption is that he'd read the article previously himself and would know if it were fully plagiarised. But he deliberately didn't confront her, and let the entire team suffer for her (even while later acknowledging that everyone had worked hard), just in order to avenge Still.

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Jung must have known that Bo Ra and Seol gave that presentation last year and that it was on that site to have directed Min Soo to it. That couldn't have been happenstance. He also suggested the topic to Min Soo and then gave her the link to the reference - I suspect that's the rope. Whether or not Min Soo decided to hang herself with it was up to her. The other part of the manipulation is that Yoo Jung was likely the leader of the group (as Seol was) and so would have finished up the PPT and printouts for the whole group. He would have seen the same slides being reused. The fact that he set it up and then didn't call it out, ask Min Soo to fix it before the presentation is the orchestration.

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I think he's slowly gathering things to use against Min Soo in case some of his plans do not work out. As we have seen in previous episodes, he has been watching and observing Min Soo - the lion phone charm, the pic of Seol's bro ..The knowledge of these things might eventually come in handy for Jung. Unlike Bo Ra who mouths off alot, which sometimes causes more harm, Jung will definitely use these secrets for maximal take down LOL. I'm so excited for the upcoming episodes!

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Yep, the "Min-soo, what time is it?" scene was a really nice little bit. That's probably what he does all the time when he has a person on his blacklist: Collecting all the little bits of information that can be used to create maximum of harm at the right moment.

And maybe he would have let Min-soo get away with plagiarising Bo-ra and Seol if nobody had intervened. He probably has enough other material about her already to just let her get some punishment eventually.

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I know that it was supposed to come off as another one of his avenging acts, but it didn’t give that puppeteer vibe of leading to an inevitable conclusion. He might have KNOWN, but imo his culpability in this particular incident is very low.

Jung's culpability in almost every situation is very low, and I don't think his nudges result in the inevitable conclusion nearly as much as we think. He never provides that final link, he relies on his mark to do it. He is always, always able to have plausible deniability. That's his magic.

If Min Soo hadn't plagarized, he would've found another route. He would just keep laying trap after trap until one day she stepped in it, and then - and this is the magic bit - he doesn't set the trap off. He puts someone else in motion to set the trap off. All everyone else sees it the two actors Jung put in motion, not Jung.

Seol's one of the only people to ever see Jung's long game. That's a large part of why he likes her.

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When I was reading the web comic, I had questioned myself about my thoughts on ethical and moral issues surrounding Jung's actions. By the time I got to the end of the Min Soo arc, I was frankly, a little in awe of him.

So far, we had only seen excerpts - that moment with Jae Woo and Sang Chul, or the repercussions of what happened with Teacher Ha. But with the Min Soo arc, we're shown how he is really skilful when he puts his mind to it. I saw in my mind like he just lays these loops on the floor, that everyone steps over without noticing - those in it can't see where the ropes go - and the moment someone is tempted to tug, or trips over it - something else is set off.

It's only I'm with you on the culpability aspect - how he doesn't actually make the choices - he just sets up the baits.

The thing is, all humans have weaknesses - and if Jung lays delicious bait around you constantly, it would make it easier for you to end up nibbling.

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It's a trait that is only effective when no one knows you're doing it. After that, you have to have power or influence to keep your standing while still being able to lay the same snares.

Of course, in Jung's case, he actually WILL have the power and influence to keep operating that way. Which is why it's important that someone influences him before he gets to a place where he has no reason to change - and that's only a few short years away. Clearly any tactic his father tried has only exaggerated the secretive instinct, and In Ho's absence was likely a big step back.

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For once, I enjoyed In-ha! I'm still not a fan of the acting but I'm liking how we see more her, outside the shopaholic side of her. She's still crazy but I starting to love the additional craziness she brings in the story. Good luck in destroying Young-gon.

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In-ho is the scariest of them all. i wonder what really happened between the 3 of them, that totally changed Jung.

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Of all the antagonists in this show, the one person I want to rip off the screen and grind into bits is Sangchul, because that person there is sure to exist in reality. There is always someone who insists that he can do his work, but does not do so, and yet still fully expects that he will get credit for the nothing that he did, and then cast the blame on others for not including him. I was very glad for his comeuppance, but I still want to do him gory violence because I know that he has yet to realize that he was absolutely wrong. I predict that he'll he more of a hateful pest to others.

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Sang Chul's got almost everything on his side: size, loudness, seniority, gender. He's used to the deck being stacked in his favor.

The most frightening thing about people like Sang Chul is that they are fully convinced that they are entitled to that treatment. They think that just because "that's how it's always been", then that's how it's going to be forever. They don't understand that the rest of us eventually look around and realize that he can't hit us like he did when we were in second grade, that shouting is loud but not actually fatal, and that theft is something that has repercussions. But for the Sang Chuls of the world, they are completely sure that the change is wrong and unjust, and it makes them extremely angry in a misguidedly righteous way - they genuinely think they're being wronged. They're incapable of putting themselves into the shoes of others.

Entitlement is a scary thing, and it's also one of the things that causes arrested development in high school. When those kids hit the real world and realize they're not actually important, they get fixated on the "good times", which were actually the times when they unfairly got far more than their share.

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In Ha is cray cray! She is the most irritating character. She even tries to mooch at the convenience store with the nerdy student. She has no concept of money and is delusional that everyone owes her. Someone should slap some sense into her.

Second irritating and miserable character is Min Soo. She is so dumb and lazy that she has to copy Seol's work verbatim? Wouldn't she know she would have gotten caught since Seol is in the same classroom? She is like the female stalker version of Young Gon. She thinks just by taking someone picture can give her an instant boyfriend. Her behavior is bordering on psycho...She needs psychiatric help.

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As much as i jumped with joy on seeing seol stand up for herself, my heart went out to jung today.

I don't agree with ppl whp say that seol is the first person jung cares about. I don't think he is emotionally stunted or indifferent. From the flashbacks it seems that inho and jung were besties and jung obviously cared about him.

So something happened between these 2 that made him snap. Add to that his dad's expectations. Plus that everyone either needed something from him or treated him like a complete pushover. I think he just stopped caring about ppl till seol sort of broke through.

Every relationship has some sort of a power equation. For all of jung's money/looks/popularity/manipulation, I think the power is shifting towards seol. Both scenes- when they meet and hug after presentation and the last scene - He seems more emotionally vested than her.

We rarely see anything from Jung's perspective. Its usually through other people's lens. Eg; like Inho is already so biased against him. So whenever I get scenes of Jung alone or from a neutral Pov, I don't find him as wrong as ppl paint him to be.

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Also, we can draw parallels between seol and jung standing up for themselves after being the perpetual "nice" person who could be pushed into everything

The difference is that seol is speaking openly and jung does it behind the scenes. But we never got to see how jung got to this point, his adjustment process.

Ppl are used to his nice guy, will-not-mind-anything image and when they do something wrong they get angry that why jung won't let it slide as they expected him to do so.

Eg: the TA. So the TA got branded irresponsible bec he supposedly lost jung's report. But had jung reported his theft to the police, where would his career be now? Or if Jung had made a huge noise when he caught him stealing, what would the students think of him then ? Would that not be infinitely worse ?

.... Till now, the only person he has harmed is ironically Seol, the one he cares about the most. I am so interested in how it all going to pan out.

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I agree with everything you've said. As I did last week. Hahaha!

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lol ... Thanks ... I love how the show has turned us all into pop psychologists !!!

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Totally agree with you. It is just that people deal with issues differently. Some people are quick to lash out and become physical, some people prefer taking it all in to avoid causing a ruckus, and others like Jung, have their own methods.

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MTE about TA Heo. I loath him so much. He had a gentleman's agreement with Jung (Jung won't tell of the department theft -he so would have gotten fired for that. not only did he steal from a student. but he stole from a student at a department party in the department he works for. how dumb can you be- ) and he would do a favor for Jung. For him to go back and play to Seol like Jung is some huge villain and he just an innocent victim, pissed me off so much.

Then the fact that not only Seol but a large amount of the audience fell for it..it was like, even if Jung didn't have him "lose" the paper and then lose his reputation. The dude's reputation was shot the moment he stole money form Jung. He should be grateful that Jung brokered a deal with him and kept and has kept to is end of the deal (even after he screwed him over) because if not, he would have really have had to pay for his action (loss of job, gossip around campus, and possibly a criminal record). The only "victims" of Jung that I feel sorry for is Seol (you're right about the irony).

Everyone else can go choke on their "I didn't mean it" "and just this one time" it is never just one time with these people. I mean look at San Chul. I will forever rage at how he turned himself into the victim when Jun confronted him about taking Seol's class. "You should be saying this to Seol" "But I'm a victim too Jung. I didn't even get to sign up for the class because someone else signed up as soon as I dropped her" excuse you?

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Aw, I feel you. I really need more of Jung on the next episodes where we'll get to know him more. And we're already half way through the drama.

"He seems more emotionally vested than her." sobs, ikr.

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Is there no way to block calls or texts in Korea? Anyone know?

I'm surprised Seol still has to deal with YoungGon's texts.

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Not in Kdramaland...

Remember they still have to pluck out the battery instead of power off the phone in order not to answer a call... lol

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Lol to that x), during the scene I was like "what are you doing Seol ?? Why haven't you already blocked his number !!!? It is not like you could expect good things/texts from a stalker !!" and THEN the cliché evolution : don't pluck out the battery but rather put the phone in the sink under water, ahhhh Kdrama logic hahahaha....

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I really liked the sink scene. The timing was just perfect. And it's such a Jungesque way to burn a phone ...

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"the only kind of thing Jung could have done in this situation—offer up a gesture for reconciliation without the excuses or explanations, because frankly he doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on this time."

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW..........

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so in love with Jung right now despite his weirdness?!! as 4 Seol, you make me high..

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I think In ho is indirectly responsible for how Jung is and thinks.
When he was being bullied In ho told him that the bullies were the weird ones, it rang early similar to when Jung said "I am not the weird one, they are" I forgot what episode but he said it towards the end of that episode.

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I found it it was in the end of episode 5. I think that since Jung didn't want to use violence like In ho suggested he used the talent he had, his intelligence, which turned him into who he is.

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I think its not that he didn't want to use violence, but he can't due to his father's expectation and restriction.

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Yes i agree. I noticed Inho mentions something like 'I won't tell your father about it if you fight' or in the firework scene Jung's 'What if father knows?' And the scene in the alavator is so suspicious to me, it seems like a warning or threatening to Jung more than mere advice. I'm 99% sure the dad is more or less responsible for how Jung becomes who he is now.

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*eerie not early

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I am with Seol as well for her curiosity of Jung's real nature. Jung didn't talk or was explained much up to now, so far only remember seeing him through Seol's lens.

In Ha made me totally speechless. But her scene with Minsoo gave me a good laugh.

Of all the males, if I was given an opportunity to own, I'd go for Euntaek. He seems to be the most sane and normal out of all. He is adorable too! Hahaha

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This was such a great episode! I think my favorite part apart from the back hug and the fight (how mature was that?) and the catch-stalker-in-the-act...ok, I have a lot of favorites.

But anyway, I loved Yoo Jung's conversation with his dad in the elevator. The dad is talking about how the workforce has devious and scary people and Jung has an expression that is like, "you think?" He's playing his own father regarding the baek siblings and father doesn't even realize it.

I used to think that maybe Jung is misunderstood, but no, that scene kinda brought home that he's scary devious. He wanted to get rid of the Baek siblings from his life and he knew that his father would never accept if he just said it out straight. So his method is so clever. He just knows InHa and his father so well. Till this episode I used to think he was doing all this for InHa's sake and you know, tough love and all that. But it's not!

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This is interesting. I hadn't known how to read that scene between Jung and his dad, but your analysis is persuasive.

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What else could he do ... Inha is just shameless ... And his dad doesn't seem to do anything about it

He made his dad pay the academy fees but she did not go ... so he made his dad pay her 10 million wonn for the house but she shopped with that too ... how else to push her to stop with her nonsense ... He also told inho that he would pay for his music studies if he wanted to go abroad

What more can a guy do

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True. But all those things he did was something he expected. He wanted InHa to stop her classes and use the fees for other things(the classes were his idea). He wanted her to shop with the 10 Mill won his father gave her (he was one who suggested it to his dad in the first place). He planned it all knowing exactly how she'd act in those situations. You could say that the mess she created for herself is all her doing. But he set the trap for her.

I think Seol and Jung are very much alike in how they feel about others using them. Both Seol and Jung used to accept it. But now both of them don't. Its just that Jung's way of dealing with it is very underhanded and clever and keeps his image clean. While Seol is forthright, yet gets into everyone's bad books. I think we'll see the repercussions of Seol's actions today.

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Yes but she didn't have to fall for it. A trap is a trap but is not a trap unless you fall in. These people are adults making choices and I wish all of them would own up to those choices. Yes Jung...he's not a good guy but at least he's always honest and is like "yes I did do__" while everyone else is "just one more chance" "it wasn't really my fault" "are you playing me". you do not have to shake hands with the devil. you mad your bed now lay in it!!

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We'll see how Jung deals with being low man on the totem pole at work. His father is likely right to note that there are many more perceptive, more experienced people in the company who can recognize passive power-plays and know how to counter. If Jung tries pulling any of his usual crap, he very well may get outmaneuvered or called out.

That said, Jung is definitely doing everything he can to unhook the Baeks (well, In Ha). But he's doing it by surfacing all of In Ha's worst traits in a way his father can't ignore, which isn't exactly sneaky, it's just a wordless way of saying "Dad, you're in denial so I'm going to make you process this piece by piece". It's still totally within his dad's power to say "Yeah, In Ha's a trashy layabout but I prefer to know she's of the streets, so I'm paying for her apartment and a stipend". His dad could also put money in a trust for In Ha when he retires - there are a lot of ways he could prevent Jung from cutting her off.

But I think what Jung is getting at is the qualities that his father has imposed on him are ones that In Ha flouts regularly. If his father wants to treat In Ha one way and Jung another, he's a hypocrite. If Dad wants to not be a hypocrite, he has to enforce his rules. I can't actually blame Jung for manipulating events to surface those discrepancies - anyone with a younger sibling has done much the same, with the goal of turning it back on your parent and either making them admit they're being unfair or making them bring your younger sibling back in line.

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I've always considered 'light' to be a symbol of their relationship. During earlier episodes, when they were under the street light or her porch light, it would flicker when they were uneasy/sad and shine brighter whenever they were happy. For example, when she gave him the watch and he didn't immediately respond, the light started to flicker. However, when he hugged and thanked her, it started shining so brightly. It also happened when he asked her to be his girlfriend! In her dream as well, when the table's length reached its peak, it was ultimately the chandelier light that crashed on the table.

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Thanks for the reminder and highlighting the way 'lighting' is used by the director within the storyline.

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"So it makes sense (and I like) that their rift didn’t come about from some random third party playing interference, but what was already there between them."

I had similar thoughts while watching the episode. In fact, I think the main issue with Jung and Seol's relationship is who they are.

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Why this drama is great is due to how the skillfull writernim defined real and sincere relationship aka pure love. I can feel the vibe of Coffee Prince when they keep monologing the situation. They act the way how real people will act in facing relationship prob. The real things is linger on what they really feel and not what others try to influence them...

Jung is not mystery he just lack love n parents care and attention. He got no one to teach him how to react to strangers. He react like how people expect him to reacts. Make things simple n clear without care what others feel and the the outcomes of his act.

Seol live with doubts. She got no confidence only until she was pricked. She really care others feeling. She did really well in taking cares others. Thats why these two actually complementing each other. I hope this end happily for them...

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JB ~

Thanks for the recap. Seol's dream about being replaced with Fake Seol, gah! Min-soo has evolved from a meek mouse to a crazed rat. In-ha's thrashing of Min-soo was scary. The fact that she assaults a complete stranger with no provocation, yikes. In-ha is the anti-Seol.

Sang-chul, what a chump. I read a comment from Naver , someone said " Sang-chul's character gives me cancer", lol.

The casting has been spot on. The actors have done a good job getting into their characters.

I'm thinking that 16 episodes is too short. Can't wait to see what happens next.

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Funny thing with the In Ha-Fake Seol encounter was that that was how it played out in the webtoon. She really went crazy and just started grabbing hair and pushing and stuff! Haha! She is really crazy. I wonder what they'll do with her story. Can she easily change?

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Ahhh, another satisfying cheese episode! Today showed some of my fave scenes from the webtoon. When i read the webtoon, I was soo giddy-happy that moment it dawned on me how Jung just lead Min Soo to take the bait, copying Seol & Bo Ra's old report! She was 1 of those slacker students from last term which lead to their group getting a D so I hope that taught her a lesson.

Seol standing up for herself, saying enough is enough, was also epic!! I love how she started to be proactive in dealing with both Min Soo and Young Gon. And the gang (Bo Ra, Eun Taek, In Ho, and yes, Jung, in typical Jung fashion LOL) is all supporting and helping her. Poor girl has been dealing with too much crey long enough. I'm excited for things to come.

We again had another glimpse into the Jung-Baek siblings past and things are getting really interesting. As some have said, maybe something happened (a misunderstanding?) between In Ho and Jung to resent each other & to make them the people they are at the present. I want them to reconcile and show lots of bromance!! Haha!

As for Seol and Jung's relationship, this was an inevitable point and something that had to be tackled between them. I hope that they talk sincerely to each other and that Jung sees this an opportunity to let Seol in, so that she can understand him better, his past, his family, everything. I know some people see Jung as sinister, cunning, evil, not to be trusted. But when you look at how he has been treating her since they started dating, he has been for the most part very respectful towards her. He cares for her, listens when she's making a point, withdraws when he thinks his advances are not welcomed, he keeps his distance and waits when she requests it, unlike other jerk kdrama leads. When Seol gets frustrated with him, he did not retaliate, whine, get back at her but at the moment, he is just there, waiting for her.

Preview for tonight's episode looks exciting! And I have to admit I kinda freaked out near the end! Haha!

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I love love love that she was proactivley trying to get young gun's antics on camera. She's not waiting for her man to save her :)

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"I seriously wonder what he was going to do about the lion though. The camera kept lingering on it and I keep thinking what, what on earth is going to happen?"

@Rainerust (sorry for some reason I couldn't reply to your post above)

I think the part where Jung kept looking at the lion charm was maybe just to let us, the viewers, know that Jung knows Min Soo stole it from Seol and had the gall to even parade it like it was really hers.. Jung was maybe filing all that info in the Min Soo file in his brain haha! You are soo going down, girl!

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