Cheese in the Trap: Episode 11
by girlfriday
And we’re back! Phew, that was a long two weeks, but I white-knuckled through it. I don’t know if it was because the romance was in a cooling period that coincided with the break, but it seems like an extra long time since we’ve seen our couple together, let alone happy. I think we’ve earned some happy, don’t you? This episode is a big one for our heroine, who faces some harsh truths about her family and begins to fight for the things she wants, in more ways than one.
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EPISODE 11 RECAP
Seol can’t help herself and stares at the picture of her boyfriend looking cozy next to In-ha, and has to convince herself not to attach any meaning to it. She puts it down and tries to focus on looking for a job, and happens to overhear Little Bro Joon whining for more allowance from Dad, and Dad just handing him more money so that he can “live like a man.” While Seol gives up so much for them to get by? Ugh, the sexism in this house, I swear.
Stalker Boy Young-gon spends an entire class muttering to himself about how he’s going to embarrass Jung with that photo of him and In-ha, after which he’ll be the only guy left in Seol’s life. You know, for a stalker, you know very little about how many guys are orbiting Seol.
Eun-taek can sense the stalker’s stare and ushers Bora and Seol out of class as soon as it’s over, but Seol pauses when she sees In-ha standing in the hall waiting for class to be let out.
Young-gon does his damnedest to catch up to Seol, brushing aside his girlfriend Da-young, who’s already fed up. She demands to talk now, at which he raises his hand to strike her. He stops short, but it’s enough for everyone to gasp.
Suddenly In-ha steps in and slaps Young-gon across the face and screams at him for being a cheating bastard. Muahaha. She pounds him over and over, crying that he said she was the only one. She stares Da-young up and down, calling her Young-gon’s second girlfriend on the side and pitying her.
Da-young doesn’t believe her at first and demands to know who In-ha is, but In-ha shows everyone the picture of shirtless Young-gon on her phone (ah, so that’s what the naughty picture exchange was for). Young-gon tries to defend himself, but Da-young says the photo was sent from his phone number, and slaps him across the face.
Young-gon won’t go down like this and takes out his phone to show everyone the photo of In-ha with Jung. He says that this girl is really Jung’s girlfriend, not his. Seol has stood by this whole time without saying anything, just wondering curiously how In-ha would know Young-gon.
But now her anger bubbles up and she thinks to herself that it enraged her to see Jung dragged through the mud by a scumbag like Young-gon. Seol steps out from the crowd and says she’s seen the picture and acts as cavalier about it as possible. She says she knows In-ha and is friendly with her brother, and that Jung grew up with them. Seol calls that amount of skinship in the photo no big deal for someone like In-ha, lying that she spent time abroad, and In-ha comes running to cry on Seol’s shoulder.
Young-gon tells them to stop acting and screams that Seol couldn’t possibly know In-ha, but he’s the only one who looks like a liar now, and Da-young calls herself the crazy one for dating a lying bastard like him. He tries to calm her down and explain himself, but she cuts him off: “Get lost, you dirty bastard, and never call me again!” She slaps him one last time and stalks off, and In-ha gets in one last hair-grab too.
Young-gon scrambles up from the floor to plead his case with Seol, but she stares him right in the face and says, “Trash. You’re trash without an answer.” She pushes him away, and he deflates. He stands there in shock as everyone walks away from him.
Seol asks In-ha to sit down with her for a chat, and admits that she said that stuff back there to make In-ha’s story more credible. Seol asks warily if In-ha really dated Young-gon, or if this has something to do with Jung. In-ha can tell what she’s afraid of and says it has nothing to do with Jung this time, but wonders what Seol would do if it had.
In-ha says there’s really only two types of girls around Jung—the kind who run away scared or cling because they know he’s loaded—but this is the first time she’s met someone like Seol, who’s neither.
In-ha thinks Seol is just stringing Jung along and will leave anyway, and warns her to do it sooner rather than later before making things hard “for our Jung-ie.” In-ha adds a warning that she’ll make Seol leave if she has to, and then makes a big show of texting Jung.
Meanwhile Jung is busy being the work doormat. The assistant manager above him just continues to abuse his power and dump all the busywork on Jung, purposely excluding him from lunches with the boss and putting his name on all of Jung’s work.
Jung is so frustrated that he slams his chair as he gets up from his desk, but he spots a few other co-workers staring curiously, and he remembers his father’s warning that people will be watching his behavior.
Seol tutors In-ho in the library, and he wonders if they’re allowed to be in here when she got fired from her job. She points out that she wasn’t banned from being in the library, and says she’s got plenty of time to oversee his studies. She sets her timer for another practice test, and by the time it goes off, she’s asleep.
In-ho scrambles to shut the alarm off and then watches her sleep, remembering his sister’s accusation that he liked Seol. He stares at her and wonders aloud, “Do I…?” He starts to write in his textbook, and tears the corner of the page out to leave as a note next to Seol before heading off to piano practice.
She wakes up sometime later to read the note, which just says that he’s sorry he didn’t finish the practice test, and nags her to sleep at home, not at school. Adorably, she takes out a red pen and corrects his grammar in the note.
In-ho practices “Für Elise” and thinks of Seol as he plays, and his teacher listens from the hall with a smile, hearing the emotion in the way he’s playing. He thinks that it sounds like a sad wind, and decides that In-ho is becoming In-ho again.
Jung tells In-ha that his one condition in accepting her deal was for her to stay away from Seol. I knew you put her up to this! He’s upset that her idea of taking care of Stalker Boy was to make a public scene involving Seol, but In-ha says in her defense that Stalker Boy went wherever Seol went. So while stalking the stalker, In-ha ended up seeing a LOT of Seol… and In-ho by her side. And naturally she took a whole bunch of photos to prove it.
She shows them to Jung, feigning worry but obviously enjoying this, and Jung can’t really hide his reaction to seeing them together all the time. In-ha offers to send the pictures to Jung and walks away with a brand new credit card.
Seol walks home and thinks over In-ha’s accusation that she was stringing Jung along. She realizes that she’s right about being non-committal: “I can’t run away, I can’t accept him. I can’t commit. But then when things get hard, I wish Sunbae were by my side. And I miss him.”
When she opens the front door, she’s pulled out of her thoughts by Dad yelling at Joon and hitting him over and over. He’s discovered that Joon dropped out of school and doesn’t want to go back to the States, and Dad refuses to let that stand. He tells Joon that he’s leaving right away and he’ll put Seol on a break from school to pay for his tuition if he has to. What the ever living…
At that, Seol shows herself and finally speaks up. She asks why she should have to take time off of school for Joon, when last semester she had to give up her apartment and start doing a four-hour commute, on top of part-time jobs and maintaining her scholarship.
Dad says she might feel bad now, but he asks her to think of the future, because all she has to do is get married, while Joon has to take care of their family. BARF. Seriously?
Seol asks, “Am I not your child? Do I become a stranger when I get married? I work part-time jobs on my own, earn my own tuition. I worry about my grades slipping, that I won’t be able to keep my scholarship. My head feels like it’s going to crack because of money worries every single day! No matter how much I try, you’ve never once been satisfied. You’ve never once praised me. I want to be praised and comforted too.”
Mom goes over to comfort her, but Seol says that Mom is no different—in the end she asks Seol to take on all the responsibility and just expects her to do it. Mom says it’s because she can depend on Seol more, but Seol asks, “What about me then? Whom do I depend on?”
She runs out in tears, and Joon runs out after her. Out in the street, he finds In-ho instead, and panics that Seol ran away from home and isn’t answering her phone. In-ho starts looking for her too, wondering what caused the sudden burst of teenage rebellion.
Seol calls Bora while she walks through the neighborhood, hoping to see her and Eun-taek. But when Bora says she’s having dinner with her father, Seol acts like nothing’s wrong and says they’ll catch up next time.
She tells herself, “Nothing’s changed. You’ve always done well on your own. But sometimes… sometimes I…”
She looks up and her face suddenly changes. Off in the distance, Jung is standing by his car, smiling hesitantly at her. He doesn’t approach, but the sight of him makes her burst into tears. He mouths silently, “Seol-ah, how have you been?”
At that she takes off in a run towards him, and he starts running to her too. She runs into his arms and sobs freely into his shoulder, and he just holds her silently, comforting her as she cries.
In the distance, In-ho finds them and hangs his head to see that she’s already found solace in Jung. He turns around and walks off with a long sigh.
Jung and Seol sit in the car once her tears are dry, and Jung says, “I missed you. A lot.” Seol answers, “I missed you too. Very much.” He smiles and tentatively reaches out to hold her hand, and she puts her other hand on his.
Seol narrates, “There were so many things I wanted to ask Sunbae when I saw him again. But the fact that he was there by my side right then, that I could see his face and hear his voice and feel his warmth, that’s reason enough why I can’t break up with him.”
When Seol gets a call from Mom, Jung offers to take her home so that they don’t worry about her, but she doesn’t want to go home yet. He suggests a drive and they pick up snacks on the way, and eventually Seol just falls asleep in the car.
The next morning, she wakes up in Jung’s bed and it takes a long moment before she realizes that he’s standing there smiling at her and saying good morning. He teases her for her bloated morning face and her loud sleeping habits, and says he couldn’t sleep a wink. He says that her parents texted multiple times, and he asked Bora to call them so they wouldn’t worry.
He confirms that she doesn’t have school today and then hops into bed with her to catch a nap before work, insisting that it’s her fault he couldn’t sleep. He throws his arms and legs around her and says he’s going to trap her so she can’t run away.
Once he’s got her there, he nuzzles up close and asks, “Can I call you now?” She doesn’t answer, so he leans over and kisses her. Jung: “Can I come see you now?” Another kiss. Humona, please never answer him ever again.
He stares into her eyes, and she finally gives a little nod. He beams and nuzzles her forehead this time, murmuring, “Thank you.”
Seol walks up to her front door with a grim expression and expects the worst when she walks in. Mom is upset at her for staying out all night, but Dad seems slightly nicer in his gruff way, and Joon is eager to make her feel better. He whispers to her that Mom and Dad were really worried, and Mom insists on making her breakfast.
Mom sort of blurts that she’s sorry and says she didn’t even know one of Seol’s friend’s phone numbers to call last night, and that if Bora hadn’t called, she was ready to call the police. Clearly Mom and Dad are still fighting though, and Mom says she’s grown tired of nagging Dad to stop wasting his time on money-sucking ventures and start caring about their noodle shop.
In-ho is still wearing last night’s clothes in the morning, and he asks Joon if Seol came home okay. Joon says she just came in after spending the night at Bora’s, and it dawns on In-ho that she must’ve spent the night with Jung.
Perhaps the fight with Seol was the wakeup call Dad needed, because he arrives to meet In-ho at a busy street corner to hand out flyers for the noodle shop. In-ho complains that he looks stupid in the picture, while Dad insists that he paid to use him as a model, so he has the right to use the picture. In-ho points out that payment was a bowl of jajangmyun, lol, so Dad offers to buy him another lunch today if he passes out flyers with him.
Seol texts Jung to tell him she got in trouble and calls him her accomplice, and he jokes about confessing to her parents. His shameless assistant manager comes by to ask how the report is coming along, and Jung says he found a few things to add, but will have it ready by tomorrow. He smiles to himself though, which means he’s up to something.
Young-gon sits in the dark like a creeper and keeps calling In-ha repeatedly, but she doesn’t answer. His reputation is only getting worse by the day, because someone has uploaded pictures of him stalking Seol on the university message boards. You can’t really see faces in the pictures, and he tries to argue that there’s nothing to prove it’s him in the photos.
At first he wonders if it’s Jung or In-ha, but then he remembers In-ho chasing him out of the library and decides it must be him. Young-gon goes to school (thinking to hide his face with a tiny branch, pfft) and runs up to harass Seol about it. But Eun-taek and Bora see him coming and intercept Seol before he can get to her, and Seol ignores the text he sends her about getting In-ho to back off.
Bora asks what happened the other night, and is shocked to hear that Seol really did spend the night at Jung’s place. Eun-taek: “In the same bed?” Seol insists they just slept, and Eun-taek counters that Jung should go to the hospital if that’s the case.
In-ho looks hesitant when he arrives for his tutoring session today, and instead of sitting next to Seol like normal, he sits two seats away. When she gets up to take the seat next to his, he scoots all the way into the aisle to keep his distance. Are you going to pull her pigtails next?
Seol starts packing up her things, so he finally inches slightly closer, and she uses that chance to yank his chair back so he’s next to her. She starts correcting his homework and explaining what he did wrong, but he’s so distracted by his racing heart that he can’t focus, and just abruptly calls an end to their session today.
They ride the subway home together and Seol says that things must’ve been hard on Joon too for him to have dropped out of school like that. In-ho says that Joon isn’t completely thoughtless, and says that he was running all over the neighborhood looking for her the other night. He catches himself and adds that that’s what he heard, not letting on that he was running around all night too.
In-ho chides her for running away from home at this age, and tells her, “As your runaway sunbae,” not to do it anymore. She says mockingly that he sounds like an adult, and he scoffs that he’s technically her oppa.
Seol: “Then should I call you oppa?” LOL, the look on his face. He stammers, “O…oppa?” He tries to act like that’s absurd and barks at her not to call him that, only he can’t hide the grin on his face.
She starts having fun with it and coos, “Why not? Oppaaaaaa~! Ohp-pa! It’s okay, Oppaaa!” Naturally, he’s grinning like a loon.
He suddenly gets all cutesy in return and says they should go somewhere to mark the occasion, and then returns to his tough guy act and tells her to stop with the oppa-ing. He keeps muttering it to himself though.
They get off at the next stop and Seol starts whining, wondering where he’s taking her. When he doesn’t tell her, she grins to herself and calls out, “Oppaaa~, In-ho oppa, where are we going?” I love how flustered he gets.
He just tells her to follow and takes her to the street corner where Dad is handing out flyers for the noodle shop, and tells Seol that he’s been doing this by himself for a while now. Seol is shocked that this is what he’s been doing when their family thinks he’s wasting his time on some other money-making scheme, and she stops In-ho from approaching him.
Seol has a better idea and returns with Mom and Joon in tow, with the excuse that she’s going to take them out to dinner because she feels bad about running away from home. They accidentally-on-purpose run into Dad and In-ho, and Mom is suddenly a little sweeter to him, still nagging but tying her scarf around Dad’s neck so he won’t catch cold.
They insist on going out to family dinner, and In-ho pushes Dad to go with them while he stays behind to hand out flyers. In-ho doesn’t want to impose on a family dinner, but they refuse to go without him, which warms my heart.
Seol makes him swap places with her at the table because she knows he eats with his left hand, and In-ho is touched when Mom puts meat on his plate and Dad makes a lettuce wrap for him. They’re surprised to hear that he’s studying for his high school equivalency exam and encourage him sweetly, and Mom tells Seol to help In-ho. Can they adopt him?
The next day, In-ho’s rendition of ” Für Elise” is sunshine and rainbows, and Teacher wonders why his emotions are so up and down lately. Teacher decides that they’ve already had their lesson for the day and suggests lunch instead.
Young-gon tries yet again to get to Seol right after class, but Bora and Eun-taek race over to her just in time. They discuss lunch plans, but when Seol gets a text from Jung saying that he’s on campus, she runs off to have lunch with him.
Bora sighs, and Eun-taek asks if she’s jealous and if she really intends to keep him as an underling forever. He’s obviously angling for more, but she ignores it.
Seol bounds up to Jung with a huge smile and he offers her a hand as they skip off to lunch. They eat in the cafeteria, which reminds Jung of the time Seol skipped out on him to go on a blind date. She sheepishly tells him not to bring up such ancient history.
She asks how work is, and he in turn asks how school is going for her. She starts to answer honestly, and then catches herself, realizing she almost told him about Young-gon. She thinks to herself that she doesn’t want to talk about Young-gon today, though she intends to tell Jung at some point.
She wonders if she ought to tell Jung about tutoring In-ho, and decides that it’s just studying and she should tell him. But just then, In-ho and his piano teacher happen to walk up with trays of food.
Teacher recognizes Seol and sits down next to her, and In-ho reluctantly sits down while exchanging cold glances with Jung. Teacher tells In-ho that he ought to thank Seol for passing along his card, and In-ho mock-thanks her, while Teacher sighs that he should’ve studied and come to school properly.
In-ho says that the studying is no big deal and prods Seol to agree that he’s doing well, and she starts coughing violently to shut him up. She thinks, “I haven’t told him yet,” as she coughs long enough to break that chain of thought in the conversation.
Teacher asks if Jung is also In-ho’s friend, and In-ho answers, “No,” while Jung answers, “Yes.” Jung introduces himself and asks if In-ho is playing piano well these days, and In-ho tells him to mind his own beeswax.
Teacher says he’s doing really well, and that his playing is full of emotion that wasn’t there before. Teacher turns to In-ho and asks, “Are you dating lately?” And now it’s In-ho’s turn to cough violently, a reaction that grabs Jung’s attention.
In-ho insists that there’s no girlfriend, but Jung already seems to catch on, and suddenly stops to take Seol’s hand in the middle of lunch and peel a grain of rice from her sleeve. It’s a tender gesture, but in the context, it feels a little like marking his territory.
Teacher finishes his lunch and gets up, and In-ho is about to get up too, when Joon calls. He asks In-ho to buy a bowl and kitchen towel on his way home, and In-ho asks Seol where it was that they bought stuff the last time. Seol says they can’t shop there anymore and just leans over to shout into In-ho’s phone that that store sells faulty merchandise, and In-ho says they’ll go elsewhere.
He hears from Joon that Mom and Dad went out together, and both Seol and In-ho light up at the same time. She asks if they really went out together, and In-ho says they must’ve made up and that her buying dinner the other night must’ve really had an effect.
They’re ecstatic, but Jung watches this whole exchange with a dark expression, growing ever darker as Seol and In-ho continue to finish each other’s thoughts and speak about things he’s never heard of. Their rapport is so easy, and Seol doesn’t even realize that Jung doesn’t know what they’re talking about when she turns to him and repeats that Mom and Dad went out together.
Jung flashes back to high school, when he’d come home from school to find In-ho and In-ha sitting with Dad in the living room, chit-chatting easily about their day and laughing, while Dad just gave him a silent nod as he walked past them.
He can’t shake the thought and gets up to walk out, and Seol runs after him to ask what’s wrong. Jung stops and says, “It looks like you’ve gotten very friendly with Baek In-ho.”
She hesitates and starts to explain that she’s helping him study, on top of the fact that he works at her parent’s shop, but at that Jung just starts to walk away again.
She tries to hold him back, but he pulls his arm free of her grasp and just walks away, leaving her stunned.
COMMENTS
This whole thing with In-ho is a much more interesting conflict than all the stalkers, because I like how it brings out old insecurities in Jung. He’s pretty unruffled by most things, but it’s clear that there’s a long-running jealousy there in how easily In-ho makes friends and wins people over. Jung is just one of those people who doesn’t know how to be that open and approachable, and it’s likely been a thing he’s envied in In-ho for a long time. He literally has the one thing Jung can never buy with all the money in the world. Perhaps he saw a shift in his father’s attentions as a teenager, and that’s what started the rift between the two boys. And if it’s happening all over again with Seol, I can certainly see how frustrating it could be for Jung, who only ever sees In-ho coming in and receiving love from the people Jung loves most. Told a different way, In-ho could’ve been the evil stepbrother who takes everything that Jung loves.
Only In-ho isn’t evil; he’s just the kind of person who wears his sincerity on his sleeve, and happens to be lovable on top of it all. The wounded artist thing certainly doesn’t hurt, but he’s also just a good guy who works hard and genuinely cares about the people around him. The thing that upsets me the most is the idea that In-ho might be adrift again if he can’t stay in Seol’s life, and I want Seol to just tell Jung, I’m friends with him, so deal with it! That’s probably insensitive though, considering all of Jung’s issues with In-ho (not to mention the fact that In-ho likes her, which she doesn’t know). I just need him to have a family, okay? (And no, In-ha doesn’t count.) Is it too much to ask that Seol’s family adopt him and Jung get over it? Probably. Sigh.
It still bothers me that Seol can’t tell Jung what’s going on in her life, and no matter how much I like them together in the moment, every time she holds back from him, I wince. She should be able to tell him about everything, but even that night when she ran to him and cried on his shoulder, in the end she said nothing about what made her cry or what she’s going through. I know that In-ho knows most of this by default because he’s around her family in the day-to-day, but she also just confides in him very freely, and I can’t help but think that’s how an ideal relationship should be.
It’s her fault for overthinking things with Jung and always wanting to show him only the good parts and leave out the bad, but I understand why she didn’t say anything about Young-gon, because then retaliation would be inevitable, and they’d be back to square one. I mean, even now he’s lying to her about sending In-ha after Young-gon, no matter how much In-ha went off-book. I don’t know, on paper, this relationship shouldn’t work; but when they’re running into each other’s arms, I just think, Well of course they should be together. Duh. Honestly though, I don’t know how it’ll last if they continue like this.
I’m often enraged for Seol when watching this drama, but I was especially angry today, and I’m still miffed that they redeemed Dad so easily. I know he didn’t have an abrupt change in personality or anything, but for me it wasn’t nearly enough that he had been secretly working hard to make their noodle shop a success. What about the part where you valued your son over your daughter and thought her future amounted to the person she’d marry? Are you kidding me? It was maddening enough that they’d made her work so hard to pay her own tuition while they sent Joon abroad and paid the bill, but he actually expected Seol to quit school and start earning Joon’s tuition too?
I’m still livid that a father of a daughter could think that way, and it informs a lot of Seol’s personality—her meekness, her tendency to let others take advantage of her. It also makes me proud for how far she’s come in standing up for herself and fighting her battles, especially standing up to Mom and Dad, which had to have been the toughest thing to do. Now, more than anything, I just want Seol to have someone she can lean on and tell everything to, someone who will always take her side. I think Jung could be that guy… but will she ever trust him enough to let him? And… should she?
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February 15, 2016 at 8:04 PM
Really thoughtful ep, loved it!
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sweetsour
February 15, 2016 at 8:34 PM
I agree, I love how this show looks simple on the outside, but actually it has a lot of depth and dimension, and intrigue (for lack of a better word).
On a side note, I agree with the re-capper, that Seol's father shouldn't have gotten off so easily.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
February 15, 2016 at 9:39 PM
I don't think Dad was supposed to be forgiven for that but because Dad is Dad, a little useless and agonizing but ultimately not malicious or deadbeat, Seol is gonna let him off on this one event since he did repent (in his stiff ways but still, sorry he was) and because she loves her family and wants it to be together although I don't doubt that he will screw up over this sexism again. Sexism is not a view instilled in a minute and it most certainly won't be erased over one blow up. Dad is still gonna be sexist but he's still Seol's daddy - someone who raised her and loved her (even if he didn't love very fairly) - and that's what one does with family - accept them for their good and bad (unless they're downright evil and unhealthy then please save yourself though I don't advocate easy-breakups of families).
Families will laugh, cry, hurt and heal each other and it's always the individual's responsibility to speak up or express what stresses him/her or as Sung BoRa says "They're so busy with their lives. If you don't speak up, how would they know? They're not mind readers" because only by expressing can there be communication and then can the family unit truly last for long.
Right now, since Seol can't control how her dad thinks (duh) the best she can do is to stand up for herself and learn how to muster that wrath of hell unique to women (actually, I think Jung too, haha) to launch at him when he does shit like this again since she obviously sees him for more than being a sexist pig and isn't gonna cut him out of her life.
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Susan
February 16, 2016 at 2:47 AM
Its fairly true you can't just break up with family like bf/gf relationship... in my country this is common problem... they even kill the girl child before the birth...
I'll be glad if soel didn't have to take semester off ... I've been there my parents chose my brother's PG and made me take a year off my UG .. I faced so much problem during interviews to give a valid reason for taking an year off... can't even start what I had to face after rejoining... to take all the classes with my juniors... my parents realised after I went through all and sent me for PG too... still it hurts that you can never be your parents first choice....
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vongole
February 16, 2016 at 7:54 AM
That sounds terrible. Great that you found the strength to power through it all.
PeepsLeAwesomePotato
February 16, 2016 at 8:34 AM
I'm glad you spoke up for yourself then.
I have no concluding opinion about the travesty of female-infanticide since I'm of the thought that they're not born so how would they realise the harm they've been subjected to but also agreeing with the accusations of unfairness (because it is!). I'm just a ball of confusion when it comes to this but I'm definitely on the side of wishing that it does/will not happen AT ALL.
Parents hurt their children all the time. You're gonna hurt them too. Especially when we've come to this age of split-second information exchanges in such a short time (30+ years! And not everyone had internet since its birth too) and therefore massive culture exchanges. Thinking change. Value systems change. So you have to always stand up for what you think is good for yourself because what they may not understand the full consequences of their actions on our new-millennial mindset (and vice versa). But that's what it means to be bonded together for all eternity.
And this may be TMI but whenever I hear the phrase "women belong in the kitchen, not men. And men belong n the workplace not women", I inadvertently want to retort with "what? Do women chop veggies with their boobs? And do men do work will their balls and penises?!"
Yes, I get that it's crass and immature but sexism ain't such mature thinking itself. I also offer virtual eye-ball detergent for whomever wants it, along with my very sincere apologies... haha!
Mermaid Scribbler
February 18, 2016 at 8:12 PM
Agree with what you wrote about forgiving dad to keep the family together. Beautifully explained.
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Mil
February 17, 2016 at 1:12 PM
I agree about the dad. It's not like its 30 years ago and his daughter really can't care for him maybe after marriage. After all his business failures too. He should have explained to his wife.
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Miranda
February 16, 2016 at 8:04 AM
Even though the balance has been on In Ho a lot more in recent episodes, I thought Jung had some really strong character moments in this ep.
I can't imagine he's ever had someone run to him and fling her arms around him quite like that - showily, sure, or in some overly dramatic way. He's a chaebol, girls will have been literally throwing themselves at him for years. But this was someone he desperately wanted to comfort, and who actually saw him as a refuge. I can't help but this that for Jung, that was a first.
It's nice to see that genuine expressions of affection from Seol translate to cracking Jung open a little bit - his facial expressions loosened up after that, as did his physical contact. It's so sad to see that his father has trained him so thoroughly to suppress natural emotion that he needs some sort of green light from Seol to let go in front of her.
I'm really impressed by PHJ in this show.
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Adal
February 16, 2016 at 9:06 AM
Me too.
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 11:07 AM
yeah, for all his politeness around Seol, Jung genuinely seems to want her, and want to be closer to her, on more than one level - both physically (I honestly wonder if he's even engaged in that much skinship with anyone in his life before Seol - the answer, knowing what we do of Jung, is likely to be NO) and in her head.
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Mirium
February 16, 2016 at 12:25 PM
Miranda, fantastic analysis of Jung's character. Yes, he has a very complex personality. Mainly, as a result of his relationship with his father. Episode 11 gave us a closer look into Jung's emotions and PHJ is doing an outstanding job bringing those emotions to life. we just need to wait a little longer- the writer is going to go more in dept regarding what made Jung the way he is. I dare to say, it goes beyond infantile jealousy.
Mirium, from New York City
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 1:07 PM
Just saw ep 12 raw. Mind blown.
I can't even begin to express.... I should've had more faith like you here. *Awed*
I just had to say SOMETHING and I will now shut up.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 2:56 PM
Feel free to strike that if that is not allowed. (Apologies if so).
I tried not to put in spoilers but Im reduced to babbling. Heh.
hanie
February 16, 2016 at 5:07 PM
jealous that you already watch ep 12.
I have a meeting & need to be clearheaded & all. hahaha
so CITT after work
2 fanjing
February 15, 2016 at 8:07 PM
I'm slowly becoming more and more torn between In ho and Jung :(
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zerd
February 15, 2016 at 8:25 PM
Feel same right here.
But I am prefer In ho as an oppa for Seol. He could really fit in in her family!
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nicnac
February 16, 2016 at 9:53 AM
+1
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meph
February 15, 2016 at 9:21 PM
I'm already torn. Ripped to shreds!
IN HO AND SEOL ARE SO GOOD TOGETHER.
Ugh ugh ugh ugh why why why why-
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 9:26 PM
Huh. Opposite reaction. That last episode put me thoroughly in the Jung camp.
In fact, I'll be furious if he is left alone in the dark again.
Two scenes:
1. When he shows a rare burst of anger at the office (the chair goes flying backwards when he noticed his work was passed off as that parasite's) then he notices all the ppl watching him and recalls his Dad telling him how his actions now at the office will reflect on him later. And he walks away pulling at his tie as if it's strangling him.
Geez, Dad. He can't even show honest and healthy anger thanks to you. (And bear in mind that he has no idea who his Dad's spies are.)
2. Flashback to when he came home and Inho/Inha were laughing with Dad while the SON gets barely a nod? That broke my heart. His Dad works an awful lot and Jung probably hardly ever saw him. These two extroverted kids arrive at what? 10 or so and the son gets held to a higher standard but receives less affection? You know, in some families, the quiet, intelligent and polite children are actually loved equally...or even more.
I don't blame Jung at all for his insecurity about Inho. (Tbh, I'd be a hella lot worse.) Especially if he, himself, once loved (and I hope he still does love) him too.
Hence, I don't think it's only Seol's father who is responsible to a large degree for their children turning out this way where they can't seem to communicate some things which badly need saying. I hate the trend of blaming the parents for everything but in the area of why Jung and Seol can't seem to find healthy outlets (or wait far too long), their environment has an awful lot to do with it. :( I think if the couple can work through the lack of communication on some very crucial things, they can help heal each other's broken places.
I also do not think Inho is as innocent as all that (ex. He first got to know Seol because Jung liked her in order to aggravate Jung) and I hated the producers for sticking him in scenes where I just honestly wanted to be happy for the couple and take a break from the constant pressure.
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rainerust
February 15, 2016 at 9:42 PM
+1 to your entireeeee comment. This last episode pissed me off so much; I mean, I know it's not the fault of any of the characters, but that easy camaraderie between Inho and Seol had me wanting to throw things at my laptop.
I think Seol and Jung are very similar at a certain level e.g. lack of affection from their parents, and if only they could see the fractures in each other's soul a bit more clearly I think they could both go a long way in healing each other - yet right now, they're both keeping quiet and preventing their other half from seeing those fractures in a way that would expose their vulnerabilities. It's right to say that Seol doesn't do so with Inho either, but Inho simply has more access because of his rapport with her family and I think that's partly because Seol's family wouldn't have known how to relate to Jung at the surface level - after all, he's a chaebol, he's polite, he's well put-together, he's rich etc. What could they possibly have in common? So Jung does get left out in the cold, and to be honest, I don't think his reaction to that is overt at all. It's that feeling of being left out again, of feeling like he's losing her.
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:06 PM
Exactly. This episode really helped me understand Jung a lot more (all the episodes and slow unraveling has been tbh).
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Lamorganitude
February 16, 2016 at 2:25 AM
Lamorganitude
16 Feb 2016
Exactly!!!
And about the Inho/Seol relationship… Well i don’t think it is a healthy one.. She might feel comfortable around him but he takes a lot without her noticing: friends, family, school ..
Inho is everywhere and she doesnt see it yet but knowing the character soon she will feel suffocated, or even jealous .
I think that Inho and Inha history makes of them attention suckers.. They aren’t bad person but they tend to invade their surrondings… Seol and Jung are a perfect example ..
The siblings are in survival mode and take everything they need (family, money, attention) or want from people around them. Consciously for Inha and genuinely for Inho…
I dont ship a couple but to me seol jung is a better pair. Being there for each other and trying to fix their insecurities, to improve and to learn how to live in this world. I prefer that to Inho’s desperate need to have things even if it means crushing ( unconsciously) others’ people feelings..
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adriana
February 16, 2016 at 7:36 AM
i'm soooo with you on this!!! Loved your comment!!!!
aqua#JCW
February 16, 2016 at 7:23 AM
+100000.... exactly what I had in my mind... And I don't understand why some thing In ho matches with Seol... Who Seol wants is someone she can rely on... and In Ho just doesn't qualify. And I was so irritated when In Ho and the professor appeared at the cafeteria...grrr... Jungs anger is totally justified... I had feel the same. With this episode I kinda not liking In Ho at all..
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 11:17 AM
yeah, in many ways Jung and Seol actually mirror each other in their tendency to swallow their hurt at being left out or neglected, and in the way they deal with it.
It was particularly striking this episode, because the reaction Seol had when she saw her dad spoiling Joon, was almost the exact same as Jung's reaction to finding his dad behaving like a lovingly indulgent parent to In-ho and In-ha. The episode doesn't throw it in our faces, but it's there and the connection isn't hard to make at all.
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rainyblues
February 15, 2016 at 9:46 PM
Great comment, totally agree with what you said! I definitely need to see more development with Jung and Seol opening up to each other more, but how can you not feel for Jung? That sort of isolation he had to endure from his own father, unable to freely express himself is really heartbreaking to me.
While I like Seol helping In-ho to find back his way and I did like their friendship, for what it was (before they started to push the love triangle) I just feel resentful to In-ho now. It's not the character's fault but the way the show intercepts Jung and Seol's moments and prevents more development between them, in order to push this thing with In-ho.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 3:51 AM
Yeah, I liked Inho before this. :/
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
February 15, 2016 at 9:51 PM
You know, in some families, the quiet, intelligent and polite children are actually loved equally…or even more.
And in many others they're unfairly made to carry more burdens on the sole unfair reasoning that they can.
My mom once tried the "because you're the eldest" schtick on me and boy did she not expect the hurricane that came. Having the ability =/= wanting to. I mean, doing stuff for others because one wants to (like, I do stuff for my sister because I like her and I can) is nice but being expected to do so / making it a thankless obligation just because one can... now that's not fair at all. Because if that's true, Bill Gates should pay for all my living expenses because he can - whether he wants to is irrelevent because he can!
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:09 PM
Funny enough that last bit about doing things you are expected to is how I feel Inho views Jung having to take care of his sister. No one will know how much it makes me rage when he goes in on Jung about "how could you just kick my sister out like that?" Excuse you? She a grown woman who can and needs to have been take care of herself.
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dkaoru
February 15, 2016 at 11:20 PM
I totally agree with you!
I can't stand these type of lazy parasites!
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rentenmann
February 16, 2016 at 5:17 AM
+100000000000
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:04 PM
MTE on all of this.
This episode made me really feel for Jung. What I find telling is how his story and conflict with dad so mirrors that of Seol and her family conflict and issue with dad. Seol is Jung, Joon is Inho, and the asshat dad are the asshat dads.
I need Jung to go off on his father like Seol did because boy has been and continues to hold too much in. He keeps trying to "keep up appearances" (Seol too) and that is keeping people form getting closer to him. He is Elisa from Frozen (down to be locked in a room) and he just needs to let it go. Go and build a snowman with Seol Jungie.
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 12:52 AM
Lol! Maybe they should just build a snowman and live happily ever after! Haha!!
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 3:57 AM
Haha. My Frozen analogy: Either Jung or Inho should do a sacrificial thing in trying to save the other and hence, melts the ice. Summer arrives.
Bam! Bromance wins! ^_^.
Ame
February 16, 2016 at 2:27 PM
That's the best analogy I've seen!
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moi_moi
February 15, 2016 at 10:14 PM
100% agree for your comment :).
I feel Jung now. I think many of us think that the most suitable hero/lead actor must be the one who makes the heroine feel comfortable and must be a warm person. But many people ignore that in the reality, there are many ways to show your affection. Jung and Seol couple is the type of the couple that heals each other
One thing that has not been highlighted or shown in this episode if we compare it with the one in the webtoon. In the webtoon version, seol explained and shared the history why she was disappointed to her family and why she felt not wanted in her family. she also recalled on her story with her grandmother. There Jung tried to comfort her a lot saying that she is important to him.
Unfortunately, the drama version didn't do it here,,I think,,,since I hope they still put this important moment to Seol and Jung moment in the drama hopefully in tonight's show. Since that moment can be the moment of a truth and understanding of each other
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 12:54 AM
I actually was wondering about that as well.. Like in the drama, after that dramatic hug, they ate hotdogs, slept.. and it was morning already. No discussion on what happened for her to be that desolate?
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KompaktneHaare
February 16, 2016 at 3:27 AM
What's funny is that in the webtoon they did have a conversation about why she's like that but I think they didn't add this to the drama to add impact to the last scene.
Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 5:43 AM
@Heart matters - true. I loved how in the webtoon, their relationship was slowly growing as they started opening up to each other. Here it seems like the just fight-make up-fight-make up.
Dani
February 15, 2016 at 10:30 PM
Thank you Petra, for saying what I wanted to say. My heart really breaks for Jung, as you said in the office where he started to show his emotion, and then had to forced his smile back and when he looked around he feels all eyes are on him. Even though, that they may be not but can you imagine living your live like that? Always on guard, afraid that your behavior gets reported to your very own daddy, who does not appreciate you as you are, no matter what you do.
And the scene with the Baek siblings' really put my blood boiling. Really?
If you have so much sympathy for In Ho, can you imagine, being a very introvert child and then these children coming, in your life, with their loud, pompous extrovert selves, and took away what's little of yours, and see in your very own eyes, that your dad is actually capable of being a parent, with other children. I am extremely introvert and I need my space, I would feel suffocated when people like Baek siblings' invade my very own place. I weep for Jung, and not many seems to able to understand how difficult it is for an introvert to express themselves. It is so much easier to be around extroverts, I get it, but just because the personality differences, all fault and dark side is on Jung's.
It really irritates me so much too their lack of communication, Seol once said that Jung never speak anything unless he is forced to, then he will speak honestly, but before that he would never say anything, doesn't it also apply to you, Seol-ah? Lovers need not to report everything to their love one, but when you both commit to not left one another in the dark, and you keep doing it, you are not without fault here.
I see that Jung's jealousy is much deeper than a jealousy from a man to his gf's closeness to another man, it's a jealousy that build up on a good fact that In Ho did took away his dad's attention. and isn't it only lately that In Ho's character developed to be hard working? He used to live his life as he wish, without thinking much of a future. He is new in the hardworking department.
I really do not see the future on Seol and Jung's relationship when they have this big of a communication problem. That is the basic of each working relationship. They communicate with each other, so far they have been working on the other end of the relationship. They strive to overcome the differences, but not through communication, just by letting it go. Gosh, did I write much?
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Cia
February 15, 2016 at 11:06 PM
Same I don't see how a relationship will benefit Seol and Jung. What Jung needs is someone to easily recognize his flaws and work around them. In essence, he needs someone who can control him in the way HE wants. A bit confusing but I think the only way for Jung to be in a healthy relationship is if his partner takes the lead and approaches situations while having Jung's thought process in mind. That doesn't mean Jung's gonna do whatever he feels like, but he's gonna take the steps necessary that seem the most logical even to himself to move in a positive direction. Seol and Inho actually have beneficial aspects if they were to get together but at the end of the day, it feels like Inho doesn't need Seol specifically, at least in the near future. Seol needs someone with qualities from both Jung and Inho but Inho just needs someone else whom he can trust to keep him on the right path. In both of these relationships, the characters are being held back so I don't see how this helps any of them develop significantly as individuals. It's pretty obvious that Jung and Seol are going to end up together and Inho is going to fall into 2nd lead status by the end but I wish this wouldn't happen. Perhaps if the drama could have the characters settle their personal conflicts to establish a pairing. In the end though, I feel like Seol and Inho would be a better relationship but for now Jung needs Seol before he goes off in a really bad direction.
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Miranda
February 15, 2016 at 11:18 PM
I sort of get what you mean about Jung needing someone who controls him the way he wants, but I also think it's a dangerous position to be in with a person like Jung. Any sense of another person controlling him has the potential to work out very badly; he can outfox pretty much anyone other than himself, and the whole thing would be something like a mind game Jung is playing with himself. I don't want Jung playing games with himself - for him in particular I don't think it's healthy.
I think the key to Jung is more reward-based. The way he threw himself back on the bed with the widest, happiest smile when Seol nodded that they could see each other again - I think that's the best possible motivator for Jung. If the two of them can work out a system where Seol is the moral compass and Jung gradually modifies his behavior because of the reward of her approval, that's great. If that goes hand in hand with Seol picking up some of Jung's more confident/assertive traits, all the better. And all that can ever go wrong is Seol not rewarding Jung for good behavior, which I think is less risky that an artificial control.
I can't really see In Ho as anything other than Seol's brother - a fantastic one, but still a brother.
Gummaypdx
February 15, 2016 at 11:45 PM
Gosh so glad I'm not the only one feeling angry watching this episode. So much feel for Jung for feeling left out. And the one person he cares for can't even tell him the truth. That must really hurt his heart! Sorry, but so annoying wit all the In Ho scenes. I get he is a good guy but we have beem lacking the Seol/Jung cuteness.!!
I had to rewatch their scenes a couple time to get my fill in. And seem like next episode were not going to get much more:/
I hope the drama doesn't drag this Inho crush so far!! It's tiring!
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kat
February 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM
You're forgetting that jung broke seols trust many times. She's going to have trust issues with jung because he's an expert at keeping things from her. Also what happened to jung trying to meet Seol halfway, he is still at it, playing his twisted games and this time using In-ha to do it. He knows that Seol is uncomfortable about the In-ha situation, he still thinks if she doesn't know it won't hurt her. He hasn't changed enough for my liking. Also how he pushed Seol away at the end of the episode instead of talking to her about his feelings, felt like he was taking his feelings out on her. Not cool jung, she already has an pig for a dad, numerous stalkers to juggle and money and school stress. Spare a thought tobother peoples feelings Jung NOT just your own.
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 4:28 AM
Every time Jung is honest with her, what happens? Seol blows up at him and they almost break up. On the other hand whenever he asks her if anything important happened, what happens? Seol lies (sometimes by omission but still an obvious decision NOT to tell the truth).
I don't think this puts either of them in the right. Just saying.
Dani
February 16, 2016 at 5:52 AM
True on what you are saying Rainerust, their relationship has been quite rocky, but whenever you see them together, you can see they fell for each other, so I think they really need to work on their issues to keep the relationships going.
pogo
February 16, 2016 at 12:13 PM
can you imagine, being a very introvert child and then these children coming, in your life, with their loud, pompous extrovert selves, and took away what’s little of yours, and see in your very own eyes, that your dad is actually capable of being a parent, with other children.
I don't even have to imagine it - only the kids in my case were my cousins who'd recently lost their father, and my parents became de facto additional parents to them.
Only in my case, I was lucky that it lasted only for two years, and that my parents weren't assholes like Jung's dad.
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bips99
February 15, 2016 at 11:02 PM
Thank you!
I was always in the jung camp simply because he was the most interesting character on the show .... but now, with the writing being so biased towards inho (why???) , I can totally empathize with jung ...
.. And whats with people calling him psychopath, vindictive, jealous, controlling nonsense ... How does he control seol - the guy literally asked her if it was ok to call her ... and was as giddy as a child when she said yes ... I'll say it again - he is the one who is more emotionally vested in this relationship than seol
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Miranda
February 15, 2016 at 11:26 PM
I still think Jung's all sorts of screwed up morally (amoral?) but I agree that he's more invested than Seol is. And I think we got a good insight into why in this episode: Jung is kind of aware that he's got a very limited number of people in the world he can relate to. Meanwhile Seol is solitary mostly by choice, and has a bunch of people in orbit around her who would either like to be her friend or are already her inner circle.
So for Jung, she's a lifeline. He's surprised they work as well as they do, and delighted, but only now is he beginning to realize that even when he goes all-out he could still lose it all to someone more charismatic.
In Ho, meanwhile, is about to step on a landmine that he's been dancing around since the start. He still makes me think that he love/hates Jung - he can't help himself from staying nearby just in case one day Jung decides they can be friends again. And I don't for a second think he'd pick Seol over Jung if he had a chance to be Jung's friend again - although Seol is a sunbeam in his life, Jung is like the tide. (Not that he'd give Seol up entirely - just that I think he knows Jung well enough to realize the same stakes Jung has.)
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Klava
February 16, 2016 at 3:37 AM
I love your comment. Thank you?????
pogo
February 16, 2016 at 12:17 PM
spot-on, re: Jung having very few people in his life he can actually trust, and Seol having way more by way of friendships. (Bora and Eun-taek acting as human shields to keep Young-gon away from Seol without making it obvious to her, was a nice way to drive it home that even without Jung, Seol still has friends who'd be willing to lay down their lives for her if she let them).
And while Seol has friends, Jung has....allies. In-ho was probably the last actual friend he had, but that's long gone and it'll take a lot of hard work before it returns.
Morganitude
February 16, 2016 at 12:30 AM
To me the saddest is that inconsciously, Seol is acting the same to Jung as her family to her. He looks perfect so she expects nothing but perfection from him. The way her parents are to Joon is the way she is to Inho. In a way i find her a bit hypocrit and careless .. She complains about how people see her and treat her but she does exactly the same too Jung and she doesn't seem to be aware of it. I am sad for Jung, because even if he is not all perfect he really tries hard to relax, to be more honest , open and to learn more from her. On the otherside Seol never tried to know why he is the way he his, she doesn't involve him in her life (friends, family and all) and she keeps looots of thing from him..
At first i thought Jung was a weird character, but he is just so scarred that he now has huge confidence and trust issues and nobody is even trying to help or understand him..
Sad :(
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 12:51 AM
Gahh!! Totally agree with you on everything but most especially on your view on the Inho-Jung issue. Also, I get where the pro Inho people are coming from, poor In Ho, lost and everything. And that Jung should just get over it because they are just friends etc.. but, I don't know, maybe I'm the only one who thinks that, despite In Ho liking her, maybe he should also first respect her and know his boundaries? Or does he really not see that he's causing problems for the couple? I mean, for all his sensitivity, can't he see that he's making matters worse for Jung and Seol?
Also, I hope Seol tries to understand Jung's side regarding In Ho. She even got jealous seeing that Jung-In Ha picture. She definitely knows that feeling. Much more, she knows that there's something much deeper to the Jung-In Ho rift. She should also be mindful of Jung's feelings.. And hopefully, both of them can start opening up to each other. This is the only way for them to resolve things and to get over the miscommunication.
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Lamorganitude
February 16, 2016 at 2:05 AM
Exactly!!!
And about the Inho/Seol relationship... Well i don't think it is a healthy one.. She might feel comfortable around him but he takes a lot without her noticing: friends, family, school ..
Inho is everywhere and she doesnt see it yet but knowing the character soon she will feel suffocated, or even jealous .
I think that Inho and Inha history makes of them attention suckers.. They aren't bad person but they tend to invade their surrondings... Seol and Jung are a perfect example ..
The siblings are in survival mode and take everything they need (family, money, attention) or want from people around them. Consciously for Inha and genuinely for Inho...
I dont ship a couple but to me seol jung is a better pair. Being there for each other and trying to fix their insecurities, to improve and to learn how to live in this world. I prefer that to Inho's desperate need to have things even if it means crushing ( unconsciously) others' people feelings..
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KompaktneHaare
February 16, 2016 at 3:28 AM
Agree 100% with Petra. Couldn't have said it better.
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vongole
February 16, 2016 at 7:57 AM
I don't remember that bit where In Ho hangs out with Seol to aggravate Jung. That's what his sister thinks, and he goes along 'cos that's just easier.
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Ksk
February 16, 2016 at 4:32 AM
I thunk In Ho and Soel as a couple would be so easy as they are now as just friends. That is the difference been friends and a romantic relationship with miscommunication and insecurities. I think it parallels the relationships with parent and child and others. Just like Jung/dad and Soel/parents, their relationships are complicated. Sometimes it is easier when it's not your own parent/child ... There are no expectations.
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fabdrama
February 16, 2016 at 4:46 AM
#SeolJung always. XD
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S
February 16, 2016 at 7:20 AM
Same!!! From the start I want Jung to be with Seol.... But now idk.. I'm feeling more for In Ho
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3 Shannie
February 15, 2016 at 8:10 PM
I loved this episode. It was funny, touching, and sweet.
I'm happy to see Jung and Seol back together. He's so happy when he's with her. Also, I loved when they were in bed together.
They're perfect together. Hopefully, Jung will grow and change as a person. The flashback he had was very telling why he feels the way he does about Inho, as well as some other things that we have yet to see.
I love when Inho was wearing that hoodie. He looked good. Some of the fashion in this show is really nice.
Seol is as lovable as ever too. It's nice that even though she;s still unsure of herself at times, she is growing as a person.
I'm looking forwad to ep. 12.
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Shannie
February 15, 2016 at 8:27 PM
Just wanted to add some information about Jung's anger at the end of this episode.
I understand why he was angry, but I also understand why Seol was not forthcoming with the fact that she's tutoring In-ho.
After getting back together, the last thing she wanted to do was bring that up; she knows how Jung can get upset whenever In-ho is mentioned. Seol is very friendly, relaxed, and happy around In-ho because she sees him as an older brother.
I hate seeing when Jung gets like that, but I do understand his reaction to an extent. There is a lack of communication between him and Seol, so things tend to just go wrong all the time.
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melon
February 15, 2016 at 8:57 PM
seol... how do u expect him(jung) to change if u did not give him a chance... u always find excuses for not telling jung, anything... aigoooo
it was so sad, seeing him being left out again
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endz
February 16, 2016 at 10:28 AM
Exactly. It's seol who always caused misunderstanding. She don't trust Jung. Period.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 1:28 PM
Urrr, I honestly think it's both of them. Maybe Seol should give him the benefit of the doubt more often but she is right to call him out on things too.
I say this because Jung seems very divorced from his feelings at times. Typical of someone who repressed his feelings to that extent.
Shalini
February 15, 2016 at 8:53 PM
I honestly felt for Jung though. I feel like he's wanted nothing more than an honest open relationship and he's definitely kept his end of that, to his own detriment, but there's always some strange level of reserve between him and seol. Some barrier that isn't coming down despite her emotional breakdown in his arms (such a gorgeous scene, honestly). But that barrier's down with Inho, and he's forced to watch her comfortably talk with him about things they probably discuss everyday that he knows nothing of. Because unlike him, Seol isn't always honest at times (and for good reason at times) and it clearly hurts that she doesn't trust him enough.
And the present has started to mirror Jung's past. He works all day to ensure that no one has cause to insult him for being a chaebol, to the point where he's treated as a pushover by others (both in middle school and in the present). But he comes home to his father happily listening to the Baek siblings' day without caring about his. He's his father's biological son, but his father heaps care onto Inho and Inha and responsibilities onto Yoo Jung. And it's the same with his relationship with Seol. He's her boyfriend, and heaven knows the boy loves her, but she double-thinks everything she says to him while she has no filter with Inho, who at this point is far more a part of her life than Yoo Jung has ever been.
Can't help but feel for him after it all really, he gets so happy around Seol that I wish she'd throw him a bone and talk things out with him. Hopefully next episode!
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chasingdaisy
February 15, 2016 at 8:56 PM
if there is a like button i will like your comment like a thousand times.
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Bl3
February 15, 2016 at 9:10 PM
Me too!!! Double like your comment!
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blackpotatoe
February 16, 2016 at 1:49 AM
it's soooo much true... like your comment too..
that's how I'm feeling when I watch ep.11..
It's like jung already tried to build his relationship with seol, but seol always have many things swirling around her head.. and end up not tell anything to jung..
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love_harini
February 15, 2016 at 9:19 PM
me too.. like like 100000000 times.. Jung my poor baby :) Fighting..!!
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 9:25 PM
+1
Sometimes evil stepbrother is better than a sincere guy like that... at least you can get revenge and not be a bad guy... I know inho didn't mean and jung has issues for being open and father's fault for not noticing still inho shouldn't cross the line...
Seol barely realised she is only seeing jung in her own perspective but she should also see herself from jung perspective. .. a single photo preoccupied her so much and she is so surprised when jung got angry in inho's situation.... when he clearly warned her to stay away from inho...
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meph
February 15, 2016 at 9:27 PM
I see where you're coming from, but if I were Seol I'd be really worried about confiding in Jung in case he reacted badly to something I were to tell him.
I think this is a large part of the reason she holds back. She knows he sees the world in black and white and she's made it pretty clear she's uncomfortable with his methods for dealing with conflict. Who wouldn't be?
I don't think it's as easy as her just being more open, or fair to say it is only Seol who is at fault.
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tai
February 15, 2016 at 9:39 PM
im with you. its an issue for BOTH of them. Jung doesnt react well (or honestly) when she shares info with him. and he is also still hiding shit and scheming without her knowledge. plus he's not around, not his fault ofc, but yeah he doesnt get to be around. so she only has inho and her bffs bora-euntaek. and inho can so easily mesh with them and her family. i mean i think seol feels like inho is an extension of her family so its easy to tell him things, and she doesnt have to double think anything she says to him cuz the dude is impulsive and open to a fault almost. so yeah its easy as heck to deal with him in comparison to jung. but its obv who SHE loves and feels more connected to on a much deeper level.
they need to talk MORE but the thing is it already says alot that they can feel this strongly about each other even when talking very little.
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:19 PM
they need to talk MORE but the thing is it already says alot that they can feel this strongly about each other even when talking very little.
I never thought of the above and it is true. Heh.
Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:18 PM
i would really love it if she would share something with him and then maybe the two could talk it out and come to some kind of agreement on how to handle it. how will she know how he'll react if she never tries. also jung does have control. he doesn't go off on everyone (he did nothing to san chul) and if they discussed it and reached and agreement. he is a man who would stand by his words (he stood by the agreement he and TA Heo brokered for him not to say anything about stealing his money and credit cards if TA Heo would do him some favors every now and again. TA Heo broke that first by telling seol). he's also been pretty civil towards inho because he is someone seol cares about. i am sure if they talked about it, he would hold up his end of and then if he doesn't. girl dump him. but you gotta give him a chance to prove you right or wrong. but i do get her and the point of this comment.
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tai
February 15, 2016 at 9:33 PM
yeah i felt rly bad for jung too. like this exceeded run of the mill petty jealousy. even if she has no feelings for In Ho "in that way" he clearly is way more involved in her personal life than Jung is. and that has to sting, even before u factor in his past issues :(
and tbh i think the barrier between jungseol is they are both guarded and introverted individuals. and basically until the other shoe drops so to speak, they will continue to go in circles like this. I dont blame seol tbh, and the thing is In Ho IS a person u can feel more comfortable and open with in general. Like imo it's not just Seol. and in the right environment he can easily make friends, find love and is p much adopted by Seol's family at this point.
The thing is Jung is very surface nice, u dont need to see he has a darkness to him to feel some of the aloofness that comes off him in waves. but yeah, inho and inha got along with jung's dad so well that he prob felt like a stranger in his own home. Like even if he knows Seol doesnt or wont love In Ho, her family does and I'm not surprised he lost his shit over it. Albeit his version of that is going cold as ice and leaving. i was like NOOOO THIS IS NOT THE WAY. U JUST MADE UP *rips hair out*
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 9:47 PM
And could I point out that he did not just leave?
I thought it was important that he apologizes first and then leaves. To me, that said he felt kinda bad about how he felt (while he couldn't help it).
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 4:31 AM
Yes, he clearly KNEW this was something he had to deal with himself and he didn't want to make a big issue out of it in public - he needed some time to walk away and calm down. Personally I thought he behaved really well here. I'm not sure I would have been that calm. I might have been flipping tables haha.
Petra
February 15, 2016 at 9:41 PM
Ha! I should've scrolled down further before I went on my own rant above. Lol.
Glad I wasn't the only one who saw it that way.
I was EXTREMELY frustrated with Seol in this episode. So many chances to say the things she needs to say to Jung. :/
She doesn't want to ruin the mood? O.o I get that somewhat but isn't this a pattern with Seol, making excuses not to open up? We see it in her other relationships too (Bora, parents, loonies...) I guess that's why I saw Jung as more invested in the relationship. But he doesn't know how to change (he's not allowed to wear his feelings on his sleeve) and she's not helping by holding back.
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 12:21 PM
exactly, it's a thing Seol does that isn't exclusive to Jung - the blowup at Bora in episode 3 after not telling her anything about what was on her mind, followed a very similar pattern.
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rainerust
February 15, 2016 at 9:47 PM
If I could +1000 to your comment I would!
The sad thing is, you can see them emotionally connecting cos they light up so MUCH when they see each other (it's so heartwrenching!) and they're so genuinely giddy with each other (hello bed scene) but...
The sad thing is I understand why she holds some info back from him (oh he's going to react badly, oh it would be better if he doesn't know) and he does the same with her now (oh she gets mad anyway if she knows, so might as well don't tell her), and it's sooooo frustrating watching the both of them keep these things from the other that you KNOW is going to blow up in their faces in a while!
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 1:04 AM
Aww, I just hope that the payoff, when this great big wall between them crumbles, it will be THAT satisfying! To appease our poor hearts.
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:11 PM
I wish I could like this comment.
+10000. I have been in Jung's place in both home and a relationship so everything he went through today. I understood and felt for him and where he was coming from.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 4:11 AM
Ah sorry. I am Joon.
(Except grades came naturally to me.)
My older brother got way too much stress. But he also had high expectations of me, in turn.
He once asked me how come I seemed to be able to get ppl to listen to me. It was a sad moment.
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Sera The Ms Temper
February 15, 2016 at 10:28 PM
+1000000
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MissyLovesDrama
February 15, 2016 at 10:46 PM
I don't want to be a troll or hurt anybody's feelings but I'm very inspired by Seol and just wish to point out that I read pretty much the Exact words (opinion) on unstoppablesun.com. This may seem like an unnecessary, negative comment on an otherwise lively kdrama discussion thread but I just haaad to point that out because I love both websites so!
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MissyLovesDrama
February 15, 2016 at 10:53 PM
Omg are you nobodybutkyu? (Clicked your website link) Sorry for the previous comment. I thought it was someone else just making off with your opinions and thoughts. Love your reviews!
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shalini
February 16, 2016 at 7:48 PM
I am! :D Thank you so much! You seriously made my day <3
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Miranda
February 15, 2016 at 11:30 PM
The one thing I have to remember with them is that while Seol hasn't been open with Jung, he hasn't been open with her either. He's pretty open and obvious about the way he feels about her, but the rest of his life is a mystery.
She's not asking, and he's not telling, but I also wonder if he's not asking and she's not telling - basically they're mirroring each other and assuming that's a comfort zone thing, when actually one of them just has to go first. Either one of them has to ask persistently (Seol almost got there with the In Ha questions), or has to start talking without being asked.
They're two very self-sufficient people. It can be a massive handicap when dating.
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whimsyful
February 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM
I really like your comment! Yeah, I've always seen both Seol and Jung as two ppl who are used to being very independent and relying on themselves. Seol has a pretty healthy circle of friends that Jung lacks, but both like to work out their inner thoughts and troubles by themselves. It can be pretty terrifying to move from that to relying on another person -- you have to put yourself out there, and it's easy to not take the risk and just keep the waters smooth. Add in the self consciousness, emotions and hormones involved in dating...
I'm not surprised they're running into so many bumps.
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 12:24 PM
I agree, re: the mirroring thing and their emotional self-sufficiency being a handicap when they're dating, because each of them tends to try not to burden the other person.
But it's glorious in ways that no Baek In-ho cuteness can even scratch the surface of, when Jung and Seol do let it go and rely on each other. I wish they'd take a cue from that and not just reset to trying to keep things perfect on the surface.
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Cousland
February 16, 2016 at 12:07 AM
I was hoping that when they got back together it would be with the caveat that they would start trying to honest and talk openly with each other, even or in their case especially when they think what they have to say the other person isn't going to like.
I was really enjoying In Ho and Soel's friendship but his crush just undermines it. Jung's jealousy and insecurities would still be stirred up even if it was 100% platonic on both their parts.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 4:14 AM
Same.
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 4:33 AM
I would be enjoying this so much more if the friendship remained platonic...because now it feels like the pressures are external rather than internal. Ugh.
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Klava
February 16, 2016 at 3:54 AM
????true.right now i can't help rethinking everything we thought about Jung.the scene where jung walks away while in ho is being beaten for example, i believe they deliberately misled us sigh.. I feel for inho just a bit but i wish he'd disappear from their relationship. You can have dad not Seol
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Shannie
February 16, 2016 at 7:32 AM
I feel bad for Jung, but I do not think he has always been forthcoming with Seol. He's done a lot of things behind her back without telling her.
Most of his actions have been misunderstood, but I feel like Seol has a hard time figuring him out. Also, they just got back together and I don't think she wanted to bring up the tutoring with In-ho. She knows Jung and In-ho hate each other and the last thing she wants to her is a warning to stay away from him and all of that.
She was wrong for not telling Jung because now it's going to cause issues between them. I hope the two of them learn to communicate better. They both have their faults.
I know why Jung was so upset, especially when he had that flashback which showed us that why he feels the way he does about the Baek siblings.
However, I understand Seol as well. To me, both of their feelings and reactions were valid.
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4 Den
February 15, 2016 at 8:11 PM
Man, I missed this show. Love love love...
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 9:33 PM
Yeah me too...
Ps . Where can I find a perfect guy with perfect timing who negotiates with kisses...
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5 manga
February 15, 2016 at 8:15 PM
Well.. can you blame the guy for being jealous, I'd probably be jealous too no matter if I already have a history together.
It's easy to feel left out in that kind of situation!
I think the whole In-Ha situation was initiated by her, she was the one in the previous episode saying to Jung "I'll take care of this guy". It's easy for her to then negotiate some kind of reward for it since she basically caused the whole situation by sending those encouraging texts to mr Stalker.
I really like In Ho gradual realisation of his feelings, though I'm sad it has to come to a triangle.
We need to move faster to bring those old wounds out and know what actually happened! I think in the preview it shows that we're going to get some of that.
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Andrea
February 15, 2016 at 8:30 PM
About the In-ha scene...
Did anyone else notice how quickly she pounced on Young Gon when he raised his hand to hit Da Young?
I definitely think that she was planning to confront him anyway, but given In-ha's history as an abuse victim, I kind of wonder if she was stepping in a little bit on Da Young behalf.
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delurked
February 15, 2016 at 8:52 PM
Ditto! The cut to In-Ha's change of expression when Young Gon raised his hand at Da Young seemed intentional to me.
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Shalini
February 15, 2016 at 8:54 PM
Same here! It was a brilliant quick cut and I like that they didn't emphasize it with a flashback or anything but trusted the viewer's intelligence enough to put it together. I like to think that was the reason Inha beat Young Gon up so badly.
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tai
February 15, 2016 at 9:41 PM
i like to think that she got EXTRA vicious with that in mind. but she's not exactly soft n sweet to begin with. i dont doubt she was gonna go HAM on him regardless but she def made sure to get his face extra haha. damn that cray girl does grow on you doesnt she?
lol im also kind of amazed she even managed to con Jung of all ppl and take the heat of herself and put it on her brother. dirty and wrong but...effective! lol
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delurked
February 15, 2016 at 10:00 PM
Lol, she's growing on me too. I can't help but want to set In-Ha on anyone who messes with Seol or Jung (or anyone else we care about, for that matter) from now on. Sweet retribution!
pogo
February 16, 2016 at 12:27 PM
I LOVE Baek In-ha, she's batshit insane, avaricious and possibly amoral, but her as a loose cannon just makes everything 10x more interesting.
She's just what this drama needs to keep things from getting too dark or heavy, and the beatdown of Young-gon was absolutely glorious.
6 denizen
February 15, 2016 at 8:15 PM
-seeing the sibling conflict in this episode and comparing it to In Ha and In Ho, maybe Seol and Jun can influence them positively, but that's probably too much to hope for
-someone here theorized that Jung's dad had people reporting on him when he was younger, contributing to his mistrust of people. Was that confirmed or what in the creepy office scene where everyone's watching him!?; then again maybe Jung is just paranoid. Unreliable narration in this series always keeps me on my toes, part of why I love it
-positive hold over from Lee Sung Kyung's career as a model: In Ha's amazing strut
-I hope In Ho has a full fledged modeling career by the end of this, but I'll take concert pianist as well
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Mainlykdrama
February 15, 2016 at 8:29 PM
In Ho gets noticed on the street while passing out advertisements by a talent agent who offers him a modeling contract. He starts his career on the runway and eventually breaks into the movie business by taking on small roles until his portrayal of a misunderstood, wounded second lead in a hit drama pushes him into the forefront of young Hallyu. His friends, Kwangsoo and Siwan are with him along the way to fame. Boom. Entourage.
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denizen
February 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM
I am such a gullible idiot! lol You totally got me until "portrayal of a misunderstood, wounded second lead in a hit drama", then my slow ass had to go back and read your comment again. Love the meta-inception-alternate reality ending to In-Ho's story, lol
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Mainlykdrama
February 15, 2016 at 9:04 PM
It would be so awesome if tvn really went for the "meta-inception" and reference Cheese in the Trap in Entourage. Oh gosh this remake really needs to pull through with the casting because I already have my heart set on everyone.
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7 nomad
February 15, 2016 at 8:22 PM
That cry when Seol went to Jung's arm, ugh! I choked a bit too, cause that sound of cry is coming from pure pain. The kind where you'll know when you've done some yourself. Great acting!
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Andrea
February 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM
It was so good!
I'm very much not a fan of Jung, but that scene made me so happy for Seol, and for Jung too.
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kat
February 16, 2016 at 2:04 AM
I agree jung is not healthy relationship material. Seol rocked it, standing up to her parents BS was awesome
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rainyblues
February 15, 2016 at 9:50 PM
Kim Go-eun is such a great actress, been touched by her countless times in this drama!
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 12:30 PM
yeah, that scene....perfectly played by both Kim Go-eun and Park Hae-jin, but especially her. That distress looked and felt real.
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8 striving8
February 15, 2016 at 8:26 PM
Amazeballs.
One word.
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9 Andrea
February 15, 2016 at 8:27 PM
The Oppa Scene on the subway had me cackling with glee and rewinding multiple times. Watching In-ho turn to jelly, and Seol "oppa-ing" him so teasingly was TOO adorbs.
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adriana
February 16, 2016 at 7:57 AM
And still i'm hating In No more and more for it
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Andrea
February 16, 2016 at 10:36 AM
Haha, whey?
It was the best example I've ever seen in a drama of the "Oppa effect", where a girl using oppa with a guy turns him into a pile of jelly.
Girlfriday and javabeans described the effect really well in their glossary entry for the word "oppa" (http://www.dramabeans.com/2010/06/glossary-oppa/), but I'd never seen it in action as prominently as in this scene, and it made me snarf liquid through my nose as I watched it. ^_^
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 1:49 PM
It's an extremely loaded term.
Does Seol mean Oppa in the older boy sense or does she mean he is like a brother or is he like a love interest (I think not)?
Contrast that with how Seol still calls Jung Sunbae instead of Oppa. I think she got used to Sunbae and its cute.
Personally, I really hate how Oppa is now applied to boyfriends and such.
First time I heard my eventual sister in law call my blood brother that, I had an urge to slap her. And I like her. *Loaded term.*
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Andrea
February 16, 2016 at 3:40 PM
Oh yeah, I know it's definitely a loaded term.
I just thought the whole thing was hilarious because Seol was so very obviously doing it to tease him. She wasn't trying to incite anything romantic at all, but it seems she's WELL aware of the effect that the term has on Korean men. The funniest bit to me in the whole thing was that both she and In-ho KNOW that she's not using it "boyfriend-style" (even though he would secretly love it if she did).
I just thought it was a jokey, very self-aware take on both their parts of how "oppa" can be wielded with so much power. In-ho plays it off like he's a guy who is onto that con and is too aloof to fall for it, but we as the viewers know that there's a not-so-small part of him that loved it. That's where the humor lay, for me.
10 sfgirl
February 15, 2016 at 8:28 PM
Every time I start to think that Jung and Seol can't work... The show puts them together in a scene and the screen lights up with chemistry (for me atleast) and then the sane part of my brain shuts off and swoons... A lot!
How amazing were the emotions on the faces of Park Hae-jin and Kim Go-eun when they saw each other after she ran away from home? That made my evening!
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tai
February 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM
right? dat CHEMISTRY. tbh i am still not getting second lead syndrome. i adore In Ho. like adore him! but not seeing the heat with him and Seol. it is very very platonic on her end. and even when he's crushing, it feels so puppy sweet haha.
but like omg the way Jung was looking at her in the bed scene...im amazed she could get herself to leave XD i dont even have anything for like PHJ or his looks. I'm indifferent to him, but when he's being swoony as YJ with Seol. I kiss my rational mind goodbye and go to giggly school girl land. so shameful. but yeah i can feel with Seol's conflict there. like she cant trust him, she feels like shit is too awk but she clearly cant stop thinking of him or bring herself to break it off. and the more I see them together, the more i totally feel with her tbh. like i said this upthread but imo they have a connection that goes beyond words. but the problem is for a relationship to flourish and last you DO need to communicate alot. but i can see why she didnt spill all her troubles to him when they met up again. she clearly just felt at peace being with him period. i'm like ;_;
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sm
February 16, 2016 at 4:34 PM
I'm exactly the same!
Coming into this I really liked Seo Kang Joon and I also was completely indifferent to PHJ/his looks, so I expected to be on second lead syndrome too.... But he (and KGE) are brilliant here. Been giggling for an hour now. And it is certainly shameful :)
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ramiran
February 15, 2016 at 9:52 PM
Same! Thank goodness this show has great actors!
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11 alienshore
February 15, 2016 at 8:28 PM
This drama gives me one of the worst cases of Second Lead Syndrome EVER. As someone who has had a long relationship with a person I loved but never felt 100% relaxed around vs. a relationship with someone who is also my best friend, I can say though no matter how much one loves the first kind it cannot work in the long run. How can Seol ever be happy with Jung if she can't be honest and relaxed around him? I'm team In Ho all the way!
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trollmofo
February 16, 2016 at 2:06 AM
Fuck Inho!
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12 ggfeet
February 15, 2016 at 8:29 PM
why is seol so much cuter with inho? it's so confusing. the oppa part had me dying. lol. he brings out her cheeky side. it's cute.
still loved the jung-seol kiss tho
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13 Kang Ha Neul
February 15, 2016 at 8:30 PM
Damn'it that was very long weeks for this episode, but I'm little disappointed with this episode, to much In-Ho story, its just like the director force us to give the ship for In Ho instead Jung sunbae.
Why In-Ho character so soft, kind, heartwarming in this show, it is very different character based on the webtoon which more 'ruthless', selfish, etc.
Thats why many people ship In Ho-Seol but I'm still on Team Jung sunbae, he just need a catalyst for his emotion to be melted, and the catalyst is Hong Seol. no one else!
This episode saved by Jung-Seol hug scene, Jung-Seol bed scene (worth for 2 weeks torture) and then fighting scene between In-ha, Da Young and Yong Gon.
Hong Seol - Yo Jung, no one else!
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Kemma
February 15, 2016 at 8:36 PM
totally agreed with you... too much In-Ho. Who's the male lead here?
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sweetsour
February 15, 2016 at 8:47 PM
I agree with this, Yoo Jung definitely needs to have more scenes in the drama. I think they are doing this to maintain Yoo Jung's mystique/mysteriousness, but I definitely think that we're at a point in the drama, with only 5 episodes left, that we need to see more Yoo Jung and more Jung/Seol. He is the male lead.
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tai
February 15, 2016 at 9:55 PM
as much as I adore In Ho. I have been feeling this alot as well. We dont have much eps left. and there's alot with Jung that needs to be settled and cleared up. and yeah they are def using him sparingly to keep up the "mystery" but its not good when he starts to feel like he's a secondary player in the story. i was fine with it for the first 6 eps but after it started to feel very conspicuous. at this point enough mystery, idc how it was in the comic, we need more development and scenes with the main couple. like their relationship is the most interesting thing to me abotu the drama. i like all the other stuff, which is a testament to the writing and acting but enough now. hopefully the final 4 eps AT LEAST are jungseol focused.
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fay17
February 15, 2016 at 11:02 PM
Lol guys..this drama is just like a trailer.While the webtoon is like four seasons long...so you cannot just come to a conclusion how the chapters fold up in this drama yeah.
pogo
February 16, 2016 at 12:36 PM
If only they hadn't gone and stuck In-ho as the witness to that scene where Jung finds Seol and she runs to him, honestly, I don't know what purpose it serves to have him constantly around on the sidelines to witness every other thing about Jung and Seol's relationship.
I know Seo Kang-joon is really likable in this role, but he feels engineered to be the perfect second lead (compared to cold, perfect, manipulative Jung) and is just taking up a disproportionate amount of screen time.
Like it feels like Jung is a manipulative character, but the story is being manipulative in forcing us to see In-ho as this perfect wounded puppy who would be so perfect with Seol if she didn't only see him as a friend and nothing else. And while I like the actor and the performance, I do not enjoy him being basically forced down our throats all the time in some garden-variety love triangle.
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 10:06 PM
I was really, REALLY frustrated. Kind of sick of the seesaw, honestly.
If they want to make Inho the endgame, they need to move things in that direction. If not, they should give us more of Jung and focus on what made him the way he is (and hopefully show us some more positive growth.)
I actually liked Inho as a character (though I thought he was more interesting and layered as something other than a talented fluff bunny ala webtoon Inho) until now.
I'm fed up with his screen time.
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 10:39 PM
+1000 with this. I want to watch Jung and Seol's development, as a person in committed relationship, and their life. I want to see that, not some cheap love triangle. We have seen that thousands of times in another Kdrama, I am fed up that the writer really pushing the love triangle angle. Seriously, can we now move on to our two main leads?
Thank you.
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KK
February 15, 2016 at 11:09 PM
I'm so glad this show is just 16 episodes...can you imagine how much they'd drag this back and forth out between Jung and Seol if it were 20?!
I'm tired of In Ho, too. He's rarely even analyzed objectively, people seem to have selective memory with In Ho...*sigh* while Jung gets analyzed down to how he breathes and blinks with some people.
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Dani
February 16, 2016 at 2:25 AM
"Jung gets analyzed down to how he breathes and blinks with some people."
could not agree more ith that
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 3:11 AM
I second this vote. This episode was so frustrating. I wished they kept the love triangle out of it because the drama was doing so well in keeping the relationship problems focused on Jung and Seol. Now? It's moving dangerously into "external" factors. Like seriously, I don't get people being comfortable with the amount of time that Seol is spending with Inho when she was so mad with Jung over a damn photo. UGH. Not getting it here people.
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 1:35 PM
good point re: Seol's jealousy over the In-ha photo being seen as justified even though In-ha and Jung have both denied any romantic involvement, while Jung's jealousy over In-ho's constant presence in her life is seen as unfair.
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Nash
February 16, 2016 at 12:08 AM
10000 agree with you, too much InHo I was hoping for more Jung/Seol scenes the last episodes (9 & 10) were entirely of InHo and I was hoping 11 would be a comeback of Jung but no we barely got 10 min of him.... GREAT 10 min but oh well...
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 1:21 AM
Agree with you guys. Tho who knows, maybe there's a reason for all this In Ho good guy build up? I wonder if they'll show us a completely different In Ho when he was younger? Granted he was really close with Jung. But as we saw with In Ha, he can be also insensitive and rash.
This drama has been showing us how people can easily misjudge a character/person. Even with this episode, it was a surprise that the dad (though he still unfairly treats Seol and I hate him for that!) was actually helping the restaurant grow. So I'm thinking what if In Ho wrongly misjudged his hand incident and retaliated against Jung by saying something to the dad?
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anestonmyhead
February 16, 2016 at 3:49 AM
I totally don't ship In-ho with Seol because it's been made obvious that Seol only has romantic feelings for Jung.
From the very beginning, the story has been revolving around Seol. After all, she is the Cheese in the Trap. Since Jung's on his internship, it's understandable that he had fewer scenes for this episode. We only get so much of In-ho since he is almost always near Seol.
I think it's helpful that In-ho's character was made kinder in this story, or else Seol wouldn't be so comfortable around him and Jung wouldn't be able to see what he's missing from having a truly open and honest relationship with Seol which may help him realize what really draws Seol away from him.
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14 Rose
February 15, 2016 at 8:32 PM
Wow what an ending!
In Ho and Hong Seol looked really close together and I honestly don't blame Yoo Jung for acting that way. He feels like an outsider. Poor guy.
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15 liz
February 15, 2016 at 8:34 PM
She should be able to tell him about everything, but even that night when she ran to him and cried on his shoulder, in the end she said nothing about what made her cry or what she’s going through.
If you only knew. This happened in the webtoon! Jung notices Seol is allowing herself to cry and open herself with him, and Seol explains to him what happened with her family. Then she explains why she never cries (in the webtoon!) and says there is a reason behing it: when she was younger her grandma favored Jun and told Seol to stop crying... to be a "good girl" so Seol stopped crying and did things grandma would like and this made herself like this, even as adult never cry.
This all she shares with Jung :(
The bed scene also there is no kiss - Jung says Seol didn't let him sleep (she kicks when she sleeps heh, so she ended up kicking Jung's face while sleeping lol!)
Also I'm starting to get annoyed how Inho biased it is. The webtoon shared more Jung's childhood stories and etc.
I heard the webtoon writer is helping the script, so I'm really confused WHY they are leaving the good parts about Seol and Jung talking and sharing things. They keep changing some meaningful scenes between Jung and Seol too... I'm upset
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liz
February 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM
Sorry DB I didn't close my Italic font I intended to just put "She should be able to tell him about everything, but even that night when she ran to him and cried on his shoulder, in the end she said nothing about what made her cry or what she’s going through." under italic font...
can you fix it? Thanks.
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dokutokunaneko
February 15, 2016 at 9:17 PM
I'm with you here - conversations between Jung and Seol are my favorite parts of the webtoon, why did they remove it? Are they....trying to make Inho the end game? Please don't!!!
I'm hoping they're saving all the good stuff for the major upcoming confrontation. Jung and Seol haven't had a good chat since he slept over at her house. I have come to accept that the drama and the webtoon are different works, but...can you really change that much of the two main characters' relationship and still have the premise makes sense? I'm not so sure about that!
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bigmomma12345
February 16, 2016 at 6:41 AM
I've worried about this since reading the article that said ithere would be a "surprise" ending.
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delurked
February 15, 2016 at 8:47 PM
Oooh, interesting. Now I'm wondering at the writing/directing choice to exclude that.
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liz
February 15, 2016 at 9:00 PM
Here is the scene cut (in english) :
part1:
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part2
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Then after they talk Seol says she doesn't want to go home... and she sleeps in Jung's shoulder, so he brings her to his house since Seol didn't want to go home...
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charlotte
February 15, 2016 at 9:55 PM
where do you read the webtoon, if you don't mind me asking? :)
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liz
February 15, 2016 at 10:09 PM
http://www.oddsquad.org/p/cheese-in-trap.html
They made an app, so the webtoon writer stills gets her clicks (and money!) but they just have season 3 until episode 60 and now the drama will pass it...
Season 4 you have to pay, so I can't read :(
Petra
February 15, 2016 at 10:28 PM
Last time I looked for Season 4, you can read for free on Naver site but it's just the raw.
My non-Korean friends look at the pics and then have me translate (which I'm slow about).
But drama has Been moving fast. I'd say by the end of next week, we'll be caught up to webtoon. Maybe they mean to put in all the flashbacks in the later episodes.
jenna
February 15, 2016 at 9:55 PM
Where did you find these segments? As far as I know you have to purchase the webtoon now.
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liz
February 15, 2016 at 10:10 PM
Yes this is true, but in the past you could access it via naver - http://www.oddsquad.org/p/cheese-in-trap.html made an app that made us read english subs in naver, pretty cool!
love_harini
February 15, 2016 at 10:13 PM
Yep.. I see they edit the parts with Jung and Seol together.. I think drama is more focused on Inho while the webtoon gives preference to Jung
I don't know if I can post but stii.. for all those who want to read the webtoon you can read it from here (http://www.oddsquad.org/p/cheese-in-trap.html)
charlotte
February 15, 2016 at 10:30 PM
Thank you!
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BeeSuzie
February 15, 2016 at 8:51 PM
I am trying my best to not compare the webtoon with the drama. As many people have said, we should take the drama as its own canon. However, this is the second time, the drama omits how Jung and Seol are starting to open up with each other. Their relationship is growing. For some reason, the drama writers keeps on making the love triangle and making Jung character stagnant. This is what is making me a bit disappointed when it comes to the narrative. Their relationship is about learning to communicate with each their and so far the drama is not showing it. So far there is no growing in Jung character, and that is a shame, because Seol is the one who slowly is changing in the webtoon. Ugh sorry to rant. This is a drama and I should take it as a drama.
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lolalarue
February 15, 2016 at 9:16 PM
Yeah, I wish they'd been a bit more faithful to the webtoon with regards to Jung's development. It's not too late but we've missed some pretty awesome/sweet scenes. Hopefully they'll start opening up to each other starting ep 12.
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hanie
February 15, 2016 at 9:40 PM
Yes...
It feels like they cut a lot of part when it comes to Jung. In the end, I understand why viewers who didnt read the webtoon doesnt understand Jung or why webtoon fans saying this and that. It is not I so adamantly want they follow the webtoon but at least try to be faithful to the core story, the reason why CITT has so many following~
My heart feels so heavy watching this episode.
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 10:22 PM
I get that the drama is the drama and the webtoon is the webtoon but imagine if they made Mr. Darcy (Pride & Prejudice) a crass pig farmer in an adaptation instead of the aloof, shy nobleman? We would be like, what the hell? Why don't you just write another piece instead of doing an adaptation? O.o
And it's the same writer from webtoon to drama...so I feel manipulated ?.
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BeeSuzie
February 15, 2016 at 10:37 PM
Exactly! I think this is why I am having such a hard time telling my brain to separate the drama from the webtoon. And like I said, it is even more infuriating, when key scenes in Jung and Seol's relationship development are given to Inho. It is even more frustrating that the webtoon is still being written which then makes it more dissonant to what is happening in the drama. It is like I am watching and reading two different stories. Which, again it is the drama's prerogative to do what they want, but then what happens to Soonkki's CIIT trap universe? I feel manipulated.
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 1:28 AM
Agree!! This was my gripe too. The special/precious Jung-Seol scenes were omitted or changed to those with Inho and I just felt so sad. I kept thinking that depsite all the negative comments about Jung, with certain scenes, they might think otherwise but, lol, no, coz the writer/PD thought it best to just change things.
Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:35 PM
exactly! as a webtoon reader i have been trying to let the drama stand on it's own. however the big changes they have made in inho's character and the major changes they have made in seol and jung's relationship as well as coming to understand jung...i am so done with that. if they want to make inho endgame go right ahead i guess.
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femaleyoojung
February 15, 2016 at 9:00 PM
I'm not an avid fan of the webtoon but when reading these comparison comments I can't help but wish they hadn't changed their dynamic so much. Scenes like these would have certainly helped us understand why Seol likes Jung.
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liz
February 15, 2016 at 9:04 PM
They also changed a scene when Seol fights MS, and Jung goes after her... but in the drama they changed it to Inho caring her wounds...
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BeeSuzie
February 15, 2016 at 9:30 PM
In the webtoon, Seol start to confide on Jung with her problems at home and school. That's how they become close. Yes, he is still mysterious and cryptic, based on on his involvement with YG. That is the mean reason Seol still distrusts him. But their relationship flows like a normal relationship, she tell his about his father loosing his job, her feelings towards her family and more. He is still emotionally closed but it is through her that he is able to open and express his real feelings, something he said he fears. This is my disappointment with this drama. The webtoon readers can tell why Seol likes Jung, unlike the drama. Everyone pins for InHo because the writers keep giving him the scenes that belong to Jung in the webtoon. Which is a bit more infuriating from a narrative standpoint. I get, all dramas (at least romcoms) need a love triangle, but it totally discredits the Seol and Jung's narrative of growing in a relationship. Sigh...rant to much again...ugh I dislike that I get agitated for just a drama, when I have a 20 paper to worry about :(
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 10:33 PM
I feel for you. ☹️
Too bad you can't write a 20 page paper on CITT. Lord knows it gives us enough material between all the psychological issues and character dynamics.
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BeeSuzie
February 15, 2016 at 10:40 PM
hahaha! thank you for the moral support! Sometimes I wish I would have majored in Pop Culture (I did take a class on Chinese Pop Culture, which I think open the flood gates to my love for Asian movies, tv, anything). I am currently doing my masters and again, I wish I would have major in some type of Pop Culture program. I think Dramabeans should create a program :)
Dani
February 15, 2016 at 10:47 PM
If they really have a surprise ending and suddenly go r88 on us (i do not even watched the series but I read about the ending), I would really going to send my curse email to the writer and uri lady director! aarrggghhhh
Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:54 PM
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acdipopszero
February 15, 2016 at 9:07 PM
+1
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tai
February 15, 2016 at 10:00 PM
damn? that sucks then. hopefully they will reveal more of that in the following eps. i loved the kisses tho, so at least there's that?
but yeah if they arent doing a second season (maybe they are??? and that's why?) then they need to use their last five hours to cover alot more backstory. was also not impressed with the preview for next week having the whole Jung/InHo fight being about Seol. like they need to fight it out if they wont talk it out but it shouldnt be about Seol. seol is ultimately not their problem. sigh ah well.
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liz
February 15, 2016 at 10:12 PM
I'm just posting this because this scene already aired in the drama, Seol after the fight she talks and shares things with Jung, and also says nobody cares for her, and Jung tells her not to say such thing with him behind her - she is very important to him! But they cut it to Seol sleeping in jungs bed so don't think they'll show it later.
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:57 PM
it wasn't about Seol in the webtoon. Well it started like that. All of it as really about Jung and Inho and their past and issues and the changes the drama is making is starting to grate. Inho is getting development and such, and there sits Jung the male lead and his relationship with the female lead, ever in the same place when in the webtoon by now, it had progressed soooooo much.
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coffea
February 15, 2016 at 10:01 PM
I'm disappointed with the cafeteria scene too. They only show the cold side of Jung and push the love triangle when they are having a lunch together.
In the webtoon, Kyunghwan comes to thank Jung. He advises Seol not to let go of Jung because Jung's really a great guy. Prof Shim also requests Jung to persuade Inho to work harder on his piano skill because Inho's lazy nowadays. Then Jung comments about it. He even says with his sweet smile, "Baek Inho. Work hard."
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 10:44 PM
Kyung han totally got short-changed in the drama version. Lol.
When I mention him, I feel like ppl are like, who?
But that probably adds to the idea that Jung has no real friends or anyone who actually likes him. As in, WHY would anyone actually like him? I see ppl asking that and it's bewildered me. Even when I wasn't pro Jung/Seol.
Tbh, I'm beginning to think Seol is not right for Jung instead of Jung not being right for Seol.
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 10:48 PM
I am with you in this Petra, it is so frustrating T_T
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coffea
February 16, 2016 at 12:22 AM
They only see the villains. Jung and Seol are supposed to heal their wound each other ㅠㅠ
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hanie
February 16, 2016 at 12:33 AM
Kyunghwan name doesnt even appeared on recap~
Kyunghwan even has a girlfriend in webtoon~ lmao
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM
exactly. it's like i don't get what they are going for. jung was mysterious enough in the webtoon as is. why make these changes that are hurting not helping the character. though to be fair k-viewers seem loooove jung while international one are all about inho (the majority that is).
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coffea
February 16, 2016 at 12:28 AM
Yeah, and when I told about it, my friend said it's because I'm biased over Jung. Pfft, I just wanna show Jung and Inho' beautiful relationship.
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16 liz
February 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM
Also, webtoon Seol would never (and never called) call Inho's oppa. Most of times he gets flustered and she doesn't even notice.
In the webtoon Seol puts a line with Inho (friendzoned)
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luna
February 15, 2016 at 9:08 PM
poor in ho :D
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17 femaleyoojung
February 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM
I wish they'd really stop pushing for the love triangle. Yes, it has been adapted to a Korean drama but that doesn't necessarily mean we need In-Ho taking up more screen time than Jung. He's still the male lead in this.. right? Why can't Seol and In-Ho stay as a close platonic relationship without a one sided crush? For all the screen time used for In-Ho's crush on her, Jung's character could use some character growth. That's what makes this drama enjoyable, the interesting and imperfect relationship between Seol and Jung.
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liz
February 15, 2016 at 8:43 PM
+1
The drama is reaching the end, and they still didn't reveal much about Jung childhood moments, Jung being friendly with InHo, Jung's dad talking with a doctor about Jung etc.
They are even cutting off Seol and Jung's meaning full talk and moments...
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femaleyoojung
February 15, 2016 at 8:52 PM
I've only read bits and pieces of the webtoon but from the drama alone I feel like we could use some Jung flashbacks and explore his character more.
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delurked
February 15, 2016 at 9:30 PM
Haha, let's not give up hope..? Many things can change in 5 episodes!
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 4:24 AM
True. Each episode covers so much. It's especially frustrating being here after a two week wait. Haha.
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 4:38 AM
Part of the frustration comes from the two week wait I agree - I just wanted things to move so much faster and/or to be deeper in terms of insights but I'm finding it woefully hard for me to say something NEW that I haven't already said in the last two episode recaps. I'm waiting for the story to get a move on.
ramiran
February 15, 2016 at 9:00 PM
Ugh, totally agree.
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Kemma
February 15, 2016 at 9:16 PM
+1
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 10:49 PM
Yup, it's getting tiresome, for a very wonderful, well loved drama like citt.
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18 KK
February 15, 2016 at 8:44 PM
Seol's words to her parents felt pretty spot-on in regards to what Jung doesn't vocalize when it comes to his dad/In Ho. This is why Jung and Seol...fit, as a couple, despite everything. They know how it is to be independent and not be free to completely rely on anyone bc of that independence. They know what it's like to try to live up to high expectations they'll never meet and even if they did, wouldn't earn them the affection and praise from their parents that they yearn for. They NEED someone to rely on on an emotional level, and they find comfort in each other on that level.
If they'd have Jung and Seol actually TALK, I feel she'd sympathize w/ his insecurities on the In Ho front. I'm glad Jung walked away from her. Seol got insecure over a dang picture but he's supposed to be understanding over In Ho constantly around her? Hmm...okay...the double standard is still going strong I see.
Shame on Jung's dad for not loving his son properly or raising any of these kids correctly and practically pitting them against each other. I'm not here for minimizing Jung's feelings to mere jealousy when it's been hinted that In Ho reported Jung's movements to his dad too.
My love for Seol our precious cinnamon roll remains eternal, but communication is a two way street, and she needs to learn this just as much as Jung. She's at fault here, too, and just as frustrating. Seol and Jung are so alike and it hurts me that some refuse to see it.
I've accepted I will never root for In Ho as a love interest as I feel his flaws aren't discussed enough and I find him quite unpleasant despite enjoying his character's growth, plus Seol's feelings are so sisterly. His one-sided crush being so obvious feels really forced to keep Jung and Seol's misunderstandings going and it's disappointing.
Jung looked so close to tears at the end? Like, for the first time I went beyond understanding Jung to legit sympathizing with him. To be an outsider in your own home? No wonder he trusts no one and is the way he is.
I love In Ha and want more of her than In Ho tbh lol. She's gonna be another obstacle, but she's at least entertaining.
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ramiran
February 15, 2016 at 9:06 PM
Yes, that ending :c it was so sad to see Jung so isolated from his own family. Where In-ho and In-ha could be free in their expression, Jung had to live up to his father's standard all his life. Can't imagine how suffocated he must have felt.
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Lilium
February 15, 2016 at 10:29 PM
I don't get the love for In-ho either. It took me a while to warm up to him and now this love triangle is completely ruining the character for me. He seems to be in the way a lot.
He's immature and still blurts things out without thinking. He can be manipulative when he wants to. That rain scene where he back waves to Jung as he group hugs Seol and Jun under the umbrella... yeah, he's no angel.
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 10:51 PM
+1000, I get many SLS watching Kdrama, like in OMHE and Let's Eat 2, but not this one. and yes, also slowly warming up to In Ho, but really hate they pushed so much of this love triangle angle.
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momogi
February 16, 2016 at 1:08 AM
Yeahh,,, I see that too when inho group hug seol n jun under the umbrella, i'm pretty sure inho knows that jung was there. At first i think i was just imagining but then i rewind those scene and now seeing your comment here i'm glad i'm not the only one think that way. It could be that inho doing it on purpose knowing that jung standing there. And you can see the lonelines in jung face when he saw them. Being left out alone, again,, and couldn't do anything... It's so heartbreaking,, my heart bleed for you Jung..
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Val
February 17, 2016 at 1:48 PM
Glad I am not the only one who imagined that!
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 10:48 PM
That first paragraph, exactly what I wanted to say. I can hear Jung saying he wants to be praised sometimes too.
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 10:56 PM
He did that to Seol when they had their conversation in her room on ep. 6.
Seol-ah
If I were your parents I would’ve been so proud of you.
It is really good to see you worked so hard in life.
Don’t worry, you’re doing great right now.
Now, it is your turn Seol-ah, that boy need your praise too.
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KK
February 16, 2016 at 12:07 AM
This scene breaks my heart. No matter how this drama ends, it will go down as one of my favs. It really resonates with people who understand Seol and Jung's feelings when it comes to their home lives.
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Dani
February 16, 2016 at 2:24 AM
Now that I reflect to my own blog and reading the comment here, I really do not have problem with In Ho as a human. i do not want a guy like that in my life, but still I warmed up to him slowly. He is a part of Hong's family as far as I care. Like a garnish on my plate, that looks pretty but that's about it. I do not even have to ship Jung and Seol, they are in the love ship in both the drama and the webtoon, what gets me was the non existent romantic relationship of IH's fans trying to push. I played back the drama from ep.1-10, I watched one eps for 3-4 times, just because I love them so much and trying to see is there really something between Seol and In Ho and I failed. All of those hours re-watching it was unfruitful. I also do not get how dangerous Jung is, after the initial getting out of Seol's head on how she looked at Jung at first ep, all I can see a smitten boy, who is so attracted beyond his own belief to this girl that he used to dislike. All of his actions, his smiles, his gestures, is all just of a guy falling in love, though he does have his antics and quirks. So does In Ho.
KK, I always LOVEEE your comment, one comment I even quoted in one of my tumblr, I credited to you of course. Thank you for such a great comments in the recaps.
rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 4:41 AM
I'm holding back on my opinion of this drama until the next episode airs - there are some great moments but I feel like this episode undermined a lot of those great moments previously, and a lot of character growth is being thrown under the bus. So...the next episode will be critical in determining whether I will continue to like and watch the drama...or...not...
Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 1:37 AM
"Seol got insecure over a dang picture but he’s supposed to be understanding over In Ho constantly around her? Hmm…okay…the double standard is still going strong I see."
This. Exactly! Ughh. Jung has been trying on his end to change, to be honest everytime she asks about things. She should also try, from her end, to understand his feelings and what he is going through. So I want her to be the one to try and mend things. To try and push him to talk openly with her.
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19 delurked
February 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM
Another great episode! Though I'll have to to admit that I'm sloooowly shifting to In-Ho's ship. The growing pile of unaddressed issues in Jung and Seol's relationship is really starting to bother me. :/
C'mon! Move past the kissing to more substantial conversations (and more kissing), please!
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 4:27 AM
Yeah, pile getting HUMONGOUS :(.
Let us ignore the elephant in the room. :(
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20 bigmomma12345
February 15, 2016 at 8:47 PM
Ah, so glad CITT is back! And this was a great episode!
First, kudos to Ji Yoon-ho as Oh Young-gon in this episode - it totally looked like those girls were truly smacking the crap out of him. It may have been make-up, but it seemed like his face and ear were genuinely red after that.
Second, I continue to be taken with the parallels in Yoo Jung and Hong Seol's experiences. This episode brought tears to my eyes for both of them, as Seol cried out asking her parents for acceptance, praise, and comfort, which Jung wants from his own father as well. She is able to express the emotion that Jung seems either unable or unwilling to share. Yet he seems slowly to be able to share some of it with Seol and I hope that continues.
I was a serious Seol-In Ho shipper at the beginning but quickly came over to the Jung side. However, I agree with GirlFriday that it is problematic that Seol doesn't feel like she can share so many things in her life with Jung and if that doesn't change, their relationship is doomed. That being said, I think I am now shipping In Ho with all of Seol's family - he can be an awesome big brother and they seem willing to take him right in. It would be nice for him to have a loving family supporting him. This interferes, however, with my desire for Seol/Jung to make it because In-Ho pairing up with Seol would also get him the family he is enjoying as well.
Ugh, this show is totally messing with my heart and mind!! I want the resolution to hurry up and get here but I don't want to even think about it ending...
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 10:52 PM
What I thought when I saw Inho with Seol's family is this:
Would they find it so easy to accept him if he was THE BOYFRIEND?
Look at the tough questions Seol's Dad was asking Jung.
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lindl
February 15, 2016 at 11:31 PM
Good point. Of course they have great rapport with Inho. They work with him all day, AND he's not a prospective son-in-law.
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 4:43 AM
Yeah I think if he was the Boyfriend it would be an entirely different can of worms. I feel sorta sorry for Jung in that sense (although I get why they are like that - "they" as in all the characters in the drama and not just Seol's family) especially given his own family background.
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bigmomma12345
February 16, 2016 at 6:25 AM
Good point Petra, and one I did not consider. All the more reason to adopt In Ho and keep the Seol/Jung pairing.
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21 lolalarue
February 15, 2016 at 8:48 PM
Poor baby Jung (not something I thought I'd be saying) he's just such a lonely soul. I really felt for him in this ep, even though much of the communication issues comes down to both Seol and Jung (just be honest with each other and let the cards fall where they may!), it was hard to see Seol and Jung fail to communicate about In Ho/Young Gon.
Those a big parts of Seol's life, that she doesn't want to upset Sunbae by bringing it up is such a huge warning sign. She needs to be honest so he has trust in her, and he needs to be honest so that she can convince him not to do anything too completely reprehensible. If they can accept each other, Seol can temper Jung's vengeful streak and can help each other develop positive ways to be assertive. The thing I don't like is that Seol seems to be the only one becoming assertive/changing and Jung is still kind of trapped in his old cycle.
Seol so obviously sees In Ho as a brother, but to Jung even that hurts. I really feel for him though I still want In Ho to be adopted by the Hong's.
Dream ending: Jung discusses his issues (all of them) with Seol, he talks it out with In Ho, they forgive each other, Jung's stops being so immature/insecure about In Ho/his issues, the Hong's adopt In Ho, Jung helps In Ha and they all live happily ever after. Bo Ra and Eun Taek get married. Boom.
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delurked
February 15, 2016 at 8:54 PM
+1 to your dream ending!
Let's get Jung and Co. a psychotherapist.
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 10:54 PM
And don't forget to ship Inho + piano ^_^
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lolalarue
February 16, 2016 at 12:05 AM
Ah! If only we could edit comments!
Add In Ho + Piano to my suggested conclusion. ;)
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:06 PM
that dream ending (plus piano) from your mouth to the kdrama gods ears....watch em pull an r88 on me and tvN kills me yet again...
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lolalarue
February 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM
The way the story of R88 went down, I'm slightly afraid. Except in R88 we didn't know what the heroine wanted but in this one we have never seen an ounce of romantic interest from our heroine in the second lead. Still time to move on I want to see more Jung!
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22 ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 8:48 PM
Perfect guy with perfect timing who negotiates with kisses where can I order one...(without a manipulator with psycho stares) but last flashback is so sad...
sorry inho ur just a step away..
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lolalarue
February 15, 2016 at 9:27 PM
Yeah that bed scene! Hoo!
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 10:00 PM
I thought it was not posted due to my chrome crash.... I've posted twice...
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hanie
February 15, 2016 at 10:19 PM
I dont mind if mine come with manipulative side & psycho stares tbh~
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 10:59 PM
LOL, am with you in this hanie. I can imagine life would be so colorful with Jung kinda way. Badass with bad people, so loving and tender with his love one. Now, he just need to feel secure of his love life...
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 11:04 PM
Well, in some circles, manipulation is called strategizing and the art of negotiation. He smooths things over for everyone.
My husband's parents value him for that over his brothers bluntness. It's very much the role they put him in as the older, "responsible" child who is the public face of the family. It's a tough spot to be in.
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23 mintiefresh
February 15, 2016 at 8:55 PM
Did not enjoy this episode. There were scenes I liked, but as the big picture - *shakes head*. Again I get it "triangles create drama" and "this is not the webtoon", but it is frustrating because it really does take away the main story of not only Jung and Seol as a couple, but them as individuals. Once again I get it, CITT just entered season 4 and this is only 16 episodes - then why put extra or unnecessary things? Background is the really and I mean really the meat in this story, it's about half if not more, of the story telling in CITT. And I guess that is why I am not enjoying the drama as much because it's not explaining much. CITT has one of the most unique stories, it's honestly a shame it couldn't be portrayed as a whole in the drama cause of well, I guess because it is a drama and again, packing so much into so little time.
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love_harini
February 15, 2016 at 10:20 PM
yes.. agreeed
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:08 PM
the drama really should have been 20 eps instead of 16. even 18 would have been better...
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24 Mainlykdrama
February 15, 2016 at 8:56 PM
This episode brought the tears. I've never been so glad to see Jung in the right spot at the right time. We've come so far from the mysterious, frustrating Jung of Episode 1 to this guy...who for all his unreadability before ACTUALLY makes sense now...! I feel like he's never allowed himself to be a part of someone's life and invest in relationships with people. Therefore I think he feels like an outsider when it's actually the result of him shutting the majority of people out and not giving them a chance. I must say though, he's had some reason to do so because it seems like there's an unusually high amount of shitty people that went to his high school/college/and now workplace that like using him. But if he let himself really get to know people like he did with Seol, I think he'd see that he's missing out on a huge part of life which is forming relationships and just hanging out with your friends and loved ones. I'm so happy that I finally understand him. I mean, I spent the past few weeks super frustrated at this guy and now....I kinda get him.
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lolalarue
February 15, 2016 at 9:26 PM
Regarding the shitty people, sometimes I wonder if good boundaries would prevent people from become just so terrible. Like people start to test boundaries if you let them walk over you, then they keep going and the it invariably gets worse and worse.
Jung (and Seol) need to learn how to be assertive. Jung needs to stop trying to please his father by being a doormat and actually allow himself to stand up against people trying to take advantage. You know when he spoke about the pen back in high school, he was echoing his father's words about it just being a pen, knowing his father wouldn't understand if he kicked up a fuss. That he'd be chided for being selfish, stuck up. Somehow Jung's Dad requires him to be apologetic for his 'good fortune' but it leaves Jung ultimately powerless. I don't blame him for being twisted and not knowing how to deal with his pent up anger. He never learned how to deal with his anger as a child and so his reaction to being treated badly remains childish. (soz got a bit off topic)
Regarding assertiveness - It doesn't have to be some big confrontation, but he needs to learn (from Seol?) how to deal with his anger and to stop looking for paternal approval.
I think if he learns to stop allowing people to take advantage then he won't need to be sly/vengeful and his Dad would be probably relieved and maybe a little bit proud.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 4:36 AM
Word. Boundaries.
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 4:46 AM
Boundaries but also I think he and Seol need to get angry at each other properly and just have words with each other. I noticed every time one of them gets angry at the other, the other gives in too fast and then they try and pretend the anger never happened without working through and trying to find the anger trigger and put into place measures for responding to these triggers appropriately.
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 5:57 AM
Agree. And this reflects one of their similarities. They are both non-confrontational, which I can relate to. I'd rather give in than start a fight. And those never end well. It resulted in me wallowing in heartache just because I wasn't able to express myself and the other person not really understanding the situation. Maybe we will get this proper confrontation between them soon. I want this to happen and let everything be out in the open. So that they could start healing.
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25 Mandy
February 15, 2016 at 8:56 PM
I know I said 4 episodes ago that I won't comment lol. Just a last one for this recap and then I'm out. I think this episode confirmed that it will only ever be In-ho for me - as in the guy I think would be best for Seol. I know it doesn't work that way, but truthfully and realistically, Jung and her relationship is the kind I'd tell my friend to break off immediately. And also the kind I'd run away from without second thoughts.
On the other hand, if I was in Seol's position, I'd date a guy like In-ho. There's a connection there, an understanding, a comfort level and someone who she can share all her worries and pains with. A relationship isn't about the kisses and the happy moments alone, it is also being able to cry and talk about your problems even if the person next to you doesn't always have a solution.
I'm not into the shipping wars tbh, but this is a drama where I feel so strongly against the main lead. I find him plain creepy and no romance, big gestures or tortured souls can change that. Also, I really am not a big fan of the drama overall - it can be quite draggy and repetitive. I think I'll keep reading the recaps from now on instead of watching. It saves me precious time anyway.
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 10:07 PM
No romance... hump! I wonder....
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mylasan
February 15, 2016 at 11:02 PM
If were Seol, I'd never date a guy who is always asking for free meals, very talkative, temperamental and always calling me dog fur.
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 11:03 PM
ditto!!!
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KK
February 15, 2016 at 11:32 PM
You aren't alone. Jung's mind-games would be more welcome to me, as then at least he's not insulting me like a boy on the playground and using me all the time.
(for the record, Eun Taek is the only guy I'd consider dating IRL. BO RA GET ON THAT GIRL I KNOW YOU LIKE HIM TOO)
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delurked
February 16, 2016 at 12:03 AM
HAHA, +100 about the Eun Taek comment!!!
At this point, I want me some normal-flavoured, comfort food ramyun, please. No volatile daddy-issues on the side for me, thank you very much.
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Kai To
February 16, 2016 at 6:40 AM
+100 too!
For what it's worth (since we're talking about the webtoon a lot), Bora told Eun Taek she wouldn't date him as Seol would excuse herself from the threesome and would rather then be alone.
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bigmomma12345
February 16, 2016 at 6:59 AM
Did you notice how quickly Eun Taek was to pick up on Seol/Jung's discord, even before Bo Ra? When they were in the classroom for their tests and Seol chooses to sit up front, Bo Ra was all confused and asking questions while Eun Taek kept telling her to be cool and pay attention. Lol - he is so sweet - Bo Ra definitely needs to grab him up quick!
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 11:02 PM
and yet, here you are commenting...
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fay17
February 15, 2016 at 11:10 PM
Thank you for saying that out loud there!Also,yeah no matter how great the 'chemistry' is,that can't be the sole reason to have relationship with a guy.I mean it's like you know everything is so great with this guy when you're in a relationship with him,but the moment he's angry with you or is not content with the decision you've made,so in the back of your mind you've to always keep a note of how bad his mood swing can be..or how angry he can be with you in a split of a second when things don't really work out his way.You can not be in a relationship when one moment of hell can ruin all the momentary bliss you have all the other time.Don't know if I'm making sense.
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fay17
February 15, 2016 at 11:11 PM
My comment was on @Mandy's post.Also dani please refrain from using the slight teasing tone.We can just comment on the drama.
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 11:39 PM
Huh. Interesting. That's not how I'm reading the Jung + Seol relationship.
They understand each other's hurt places in a way that Inho cannot.
Seol still doesn't have good boundaries. She's responsible for her own behavior and her own feelings, not Jung's or her parents or the loony of the week's.
If she doesn't tell him the truth because she fears his response, she's taking away his chance to step up (and possibly change if he needs to). You don't keep things inside to spare someone. That's not loving. I see her doing this over and over again. Until she's pushed in a corner and has had it up to there.
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Petra
February 15, 2016 at 11:25 PM
But how do you know the recapper has the correct interpretation? They do a great job here but no one is free of bias. Idk.
Truthfully, irl, most of us would think Yoo Jung is a great guy. I think very few would even see his other side.
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fay17
February 15, 2016 at 11:59 PM
Lol petra you never know until you 'are' in that situation.Really.
Also you said 'If she doesn’t tell him the truth because she fears his response,SHE'S TAKING AWAY HIS CHANCE TO STEP UP(and possibly change if he needs to). You don’t keep things inside to spare someone. That’s not loving.'
The fact that she's 'hiding' the truth is telling how she thinks he would perceive the whole picture,isn't it? She's scared how he might react in this situation,and that's why she's withholding the information from him.
Also yeah loving is not when you is not comfortable with speaking your mind with the person you 'love' supposedly.So you're kind of correct there.
Anyway people here have been complaining how jung is not given his moment,or how in ho has been getting more limelight,but actually in the drama,jung is more 'mellow',shown in a more loving,caring manner imo.PHJ has also been showing emotions at times for Jung,while I thought the jung from the webtoon has little or no empathy,even when he's laughing it looks like a blank laugh to me.He loves Sul as he loved his doll/or if he had any pet,as if that person is his property.But I'm talking about the webtoon here of course.So in that sense,the Jung from the drama is more sympathetic.
Also I find it weird that nobody found that time,when Jung went to see In Ho with Sul,when sul wanted to go on her own,,to tell IH that professor wanted him to come to the school,some episodes back.Jung obviously did not want Sul to go alone to IH, in the back of his mind he's not at peace with seeing sul with In Ho alone,so I think he went there not because he cared for In Ho,but because he does not want Sul to meet In Ho at that time?
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fay17
February 16, 2016 at 12:00 AM
**'Also yeah loving is not when you are not comfortable'
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 12:45 AM
What did that first sentence mean?
Lol. I'm sorry, I've been trying not to say this because it's personal and I realize Jung is not my husband and I am certainly not Seol, but actually being married to a "manipulative" person with a dark side isn't bad at all. Bear in mind that everyone else thinks he is a really, really great guy. Like a freaking saint ?. And to be fair, he sometimes
is. He helps far more ppl than I do.
But someone crosses the line (like say, hurts me) and he has been known to foment Machiavellian revenge plots which take 2 yrs to come to fruition. (And the person inevitably thank him when he actually destroyed them.) I guess that's why I have no trouble seeing Jung as both a good guy and a bad guy.
If that's why ppl are writing him off.
Then again, I'm brutally blunt as a lot of Aspies are.
But I'm really not sure why ppl think Jung is dangerous. Or would be dangerous to Seol.
Could he be? I think we all can become VERY dangerous given the right (or wrong) circumstances but no more than Inho can be.
Btw, hubs absolutely HATES Cheese in the trap, which hatred I find hilarious (dark sense of humor).
Also, I didn't understand why you say I am correct there. Are you being sarcastic? Because that is why I said it, it's my opinion.
I think Seol is being wrong for Jung here.
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fay17
February 16, 2016 at 1:37 AM
I meant that as a reply for your words 'Truthfully, irl, most of us would think Yoo Jung is a great guy. I think very few would even see his other side.'
Also, I didn’t understand why you say I am correct there. Are you being sarcastic? Because that is why I said it, it’s my opinion.
No I did not mean to be sarcastic.I just agreed with your that's not love part.Only that I think this relationship won't work out in the long run,the love would worn out at some point..imo.My original post was hinted at the fact that ,if Sul 'hesitates' to speak her mind to Jung,or is apprehensive of how he's gonna react,then how is the relationship being clear and transparent? Loving someone should mean that you're able to be free and open with them in sharing things,sharing your heart felt wishes,thoughts.But here that's not the case,most of the time it's one day all happy and giddy for them,and next day full of suspense and heartbreaks.If I was Sul I would tired and strained after a while,if I have to be cautious of keeping up with Jung's ways.
Petra
February 16, 2016 at 4:40 AM
Ah, I see. Haha. The thread gets a little difficult to follow from point to point, so I was confused.
26 JISG
February 15, 2016 at 8:56 PM
I am so invested in this roller coster ride of a relationship!!!! It's real, raw and so goddamn complicated YET BEYOND SWEET!! they're both making me feeeeeeeeeel and I am just as confused as they are...but again, so invested. Can't wait for next episode!!
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:12 PM
Exactly. I am on such a roller coaster ride. As much as I complain about the drama and the ship and it's progress. I'M LOVING IT!
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27 bcools
February 15, 2016 at 8:59 PM
in real life, seol and jung will never work. too much baggage, poor communication, trust issues, power imbalance, potentially sociopathic guy, etc. but still interesting to see where the writer will take their relationship.
jung is annoying me right now with his constant manipulation and overjealousy. i'm rooting for inho and seol, not as a couple but as individual characters. even though in real life, they will also work better as a couple than jung and seol tbh
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JISG
February 15, 2016 at 9:42 PM
I think you'd have to be a monk to not be jealous at the amount of time your girlfriend spends with in Ho. Wait, let's correct that, the amount of time In Ho inserted himself in Seol's life.
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 10:12 PM
+1
Jung has every right to be angry... overjoulesy I think that part belongs to soel for being so haunted by single photo even after him explaining that they were childhood friends. ..
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 11:03 PM
because IH is such an angel, right? and Jung need to be a saint.
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 1:59 AM
Hah! Soo true! And if Jung were truly evil, the fact that Seol has not heeded his request would've caused him to get back at her. But no, he just keeps on asking her to stay away.. until he's had it.
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I don't give Six Flying Dragons
February 16, 2016 at 6:07 AM
Sorry, but no boyfriend has the right to tell me who I can befriend or spend my time with.
That's abusive behaviour 101. The controlling jealous man.
That is the edge Jung is walking, and is a fine line.
If In Ho is bad for Seol and he explains it clear and honestly, Seol STILL would have to exercise her agency. Decide for herself.
Since when being jealous and insecure is a positive trait?.
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KK
February 16, 2016 at 7:46 AM
Okay but Seol is insecure and jealous over In Ha. You're telling me if Jung hung out with In Ha on the daily that Seol wouldn't be upset? That the audience wouldn't complain that Jung isn't being fair and Seol is very hurt by this so he should stop? Bc I feel a good portion would.
Listen, if my boyfriend told me he had a bad past with a guy and didn't want me around him, I'd ask questions that Seol doesn't. And I'd dig deeper than Seol does. And if I felt like his feelings were valid and not just "no, don't hang out with other men blah blah" I would respect him and keep my distance. Why? Because if I felt the same over a girl, I'd want him to respect me enough to not be super chummy with the girl. People are I guess just better people than I am, because a circumstance like Jung's would genuinely upset me.
And it's being forgotten that In Ho DOES like Seol and Jung is picking up on it. The professor's dating comment combined with being confronted with how close In Ho is to her family when Jung feels like In Ho "stole" his dad's affection. The last thing you do in a relationship you're trying to make work is stay friends with someone who has feelings for you. This isn't Seol's fault bc she's for some reason, oblivious to In Ho's feelings...In Ho, Jung, the audience, heck even In Ha isn't!
Some things in relationships are compromises and you have to weigh if a relationship is worth compromises and setting aside other relationships. In real life, a lot of cheating and affairs occur bc of what usually start out as friendships. Does that mean you shouldn't have friends? Absolutely not! Does that mean you should be friends with someone who has feelings for you? Probably shouldn't imo. Honestly, I could see Seol distancing herself from In Ho more if she knew his feelings, but maybe I'm wrong.
Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 8:38 AM
Oh, I don't think people are saying it's a positive trait (well, not me, that is). But what I was reacting to was that some posters think that Jung just has to bear it if his girlfriend is close with some guy with whom he has bad history with, despite him repeatedly requesting her to try and stay away from him. We have to note that Jung has no problem with Seol hanging out with other guys like Eun Taek. It's because he has reasons for his request. Tho to all our utter frustration, he still hasn't really (completely) discussed it with Seol. And so I also understand where she's coming from. And didn't In Ho approach her in the first place because he was curious as to her relationship with Jung?
If it were abusive behavior, we would've seen Jung lash out, get revenge or beat up Seol everytime she doesn't follow him. But Jung, in this episode just excused himself, after feeling hurt and betrayed by what he witnessed in front of him.
Also with regards to jealousy, I don't think you can help it when you're in a relationship. I've seen some friends go berserk when they found out their boyfriend hung out with their "mortal" enemy. You care for the person therefore their actions matter to you. It is just a matter of communication. Couples should discuss their issues so that they'd understand where the other is coming from and see how they could resolve things. Hopefully we will get to see this on tonight's episode.
JIS
February 16, 2016 at 9:31 AM
If we're going to be technical than jealous & insecurity can be seen as positive traits because they show that care/concern? If i don't care about someone, nothing they do or who they hang out with would make me feel insecure or jealous. Jung is jealous and insecure shows his ultimate vulnerability to Seol....
BUT, that's besides the point because who in this show isn't jealous or insecure or both? No one - including the most nondescript good guy ever, Eun Taek.
lastly but most importantly, Jung is insecure and jealous it can be argued yes. However, show me where it means he's controlling and abusive? can we check the plot line and recall that he has all of 5 minutes of interaction time with Seol for a period of time, both on the show and "in real time" i assume since THEY WERE ON A BREAK!!! (haha just want to scream that last Friends line lol)
he asked her to stay away from a dude that he had/has a bad history with. she didn't listen. he wasn't around to see or do squat. where's the controlling abusing bit??
28 Beta Rida
February 15, 2016 at 8:59 PM
this drama reveals the reality due to the matter of fact that we often like the mirror of ourselves. Jung has a dark side and Seol needs to understand and help him. thats how relationship works right? lets consider Jung's point of view.
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Andrea
February 15, 2016 at 9:20 PM
"Jung has a dark side and Seol needs to understand and help him."
I don't agree with this.
It's really NOT someone's job to "understand" someone else's dark side or "help" them become a better person. The primary function of a romantic relationship is not to "fix" someone else, and I think that relationships based on that dynamic are overwhelmingly unhealthy for both participants.
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jenna
February 15, 2016 at 9:35 PM
I don't think Seol has to "fix" him, but understanding him would result in a more relaxed and trustworthy relationship. Healthy relationships require communication and Seol still seems to be overanalyzing what her responses should be when Jung asks "nothing happening at school?". If they want to trust each other fully, they're going to have to work together and talk about what's on their minds.
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Andrea
February 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM
I agree 100% that relationships require communication. I think that's why the Seol/Jung relationship doesn't seem like a good one to me, because both of them have such a difficult time communicating with each other.
The thing is, Seol has a difficult time communicating with Jung because she doesn't trust him. And she doesn't trust him for a very good reason: he is vindictive, manipulative, and controlling.
Yeah, our girl could keep beating her adorably fluffy head against the wall that is Jung the Enigma, but it just seems like so much work (to me) for so little reward.
Though I love In-ho, I don't actually need him to end up with Seol. But I want Seol with someone who she interacts with in the way that she interacts with In-ho. She is comfortable with him and she trusts him. She does not seem to feel those things on a consistent basis with Jung. Why even be in a romantic relationship with someone if you don't feel those things most of the time?
I just don't feel like a relationships needs to be or should be as difficult as the Seol/Jung relationship.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 12:34 AM
Urrr...
I'm not sure that's why she doesn't trust him.
Our girl has trouble communicating honestly with anyone until she is pushed into a corner and has to.
She hasn't told Inho that much of her true self if you really think about it. Maybe it's more apparent in the webtoon. Idk.
laladaisical
February 16, 2016 at 10:07 AM
Agreed, wholeheartedly. Thank you for a measured opposing view. It's rare in here.
I don't know what more Seol needs to do to understand him aside from nodding complacently and believing every noncommittal silence Jung issues. It would be one thing if he made an effort to be honest, to show her that he is changing, but he can't stop manipulating the world around him. It's borderline pathological.
I keep reading that Seol needs to be more inclusive towards Jung, but what about Jung to Seol? How about taking an active interest in her family life, in her future? He is more closed off than she is, and yet Seol, being the solitary young woman that she is, is expected to suddenly understand and decipher all of his moods? It's unfair to place that much responsibility on one person in a relationship.
Jung is not mysterious. He's capricious. I would like to see him say something spontaneous, with real emotion, rather than something either calculated to produce the desired effect or because the pressure is too much.
Really and truly, a man like Jung would give a woman an ulcer from the sheer stress of trying to gauge his likes and dislikes, his triggers and his attitudes in the course of a single hour. But he's misunderstood and tall and brooding, so it's okay to run a girl ragged.
addely
February 16, 2016 at 11:33 AM
I agree 100%
Tim
February 16, 2016 at 12:24 PM
@laladaisical
Jung does make an effort towards Seol. Hence, why he finds time away from his work, (despite the many already pressure piled on him to do not only his, but unfairly, other people's share of work too) to spend time with Seol. He asks her questions about her life--he was even there when she needed him the most after her fight with her family, despite their "cool off" phase.
Is he still withholding from Seol? Yes. Is Seol doing the same thing to him? Yes.
You want him to be more inclusive but Seol herself have at one point made a decision to draw a gap between the two of them. Hence, him “backing off” and giving her the space she requested while she broods about the fact on how Jung deals with people.
There is no lack of effort in Jung’s part at all. It would only be great if Seol would just reciprocate it with just as much though.
And Jung has been spontaneous with Seol several times. He is the most genuine, in fact, when he’s with Seol. He shows his happiness when with her, he also displays worry and even anger, when with her. Is he still guarded though? Absolutely. That is his nature and so is Seol’s. Hence the parallel between the two.
The way I see it, both are tiptoeing on each other, trying their best not to upset one another. Jung is aware of what Seol likes and dislikes (his brand of justice and schemes), and Seol has an idea (read: In Ho) about Jung’s too. So they conveniently withhold information on topics surrounding those aspects of their lives.
How long they continue with this dance, we shall find out.
Seol herself overthinks things and oftenfind herself *calculating* on how to deal with problems such as her family's financial state and Joon, or willingness to share her worries with Bo Ra, or for how long she is going to tolerate people who takes advantage of her. Most of the time, you would find that the answers to Seol’s worries are similarly relatively easier and straightforward than she over-imagines. But thanks to her own *guarded* personality, she calculates what action would be the most desirable (read: least burden on others, at her own detriment) to a point that she has pinned herself in a corner.
You would note that Jung does the same similarly whenever deliberating how to exact his brand of justice. He puts into motion schemes that would net the least amount of impact to his own erected image of magnanimity (read: puting up with other people’s shi t) but dish out maximum "ruthless" result. To a point that he has created a clandestine personality that he himself isn't exactly proud of.
laladaisical
February 16, 2016 at 4:54 PM
@ Tim
I respect your simplistic and optimistic opinion, but...
Jung finds time when it suits him, which is fine. But it’s not an effort. The pressures at work you say? Those are imaginary, as a bit of close-watching can tell you he’s getting ready to destroy the sunbae applying the most “pressure”. The only pressure Jung feels is self-created.
And let’s be clear, Seol wasn’t looking for Jung after the family fight. Just because he mouthed the question, “Seol, were you looking for me?” doesn’t make it true. Notice the first person she called was Bo-ra. Jung isn’t her default person, and even when she went to him for comfort, she couldn’t discuss why she needed it in the first place.
Why can’t she discuss anything with him? Why did they pause their relationship? Because of YG and his role in sending that bomb into her life. He knew exactly what that guy was and how utterly repugnant he could be, and aimed YG at her because he was miffed at her for calling out his subtle treachery. Has he openly confronted YG about his impropriety and dangerous behavior towards Seol? Nope. He uses pawns and subterfuge to try to defuse an already terrible situation.
Jung is happy with Seol when it is the two of them and they aren’t talking about anything, or when he gets to stick it to In-ho. His spontaneity reads often as calculation. He worries when she asks questions about his behavior, and displays displeasure when she does not implicitly abide by his requests. You’re right; Jung is absolutely guarded. He can’t even relax with the woman he really, really likes, maybe loves. But none of this stems from Seol. It’s being construed that way, and it’s completely ludicrous to glean from the show so far that a.) Jung is aware *and* is attempting to correct the one character flaw Seol finds utterly disturbing and b.) Seol isn’t emoting enough feelings for Jung. Like I said, apparently reciprocating for Seol is erasing herself and letting Jung fill her head.
And while I can argue this all day, what kills me about this is how willfully blind some people are to Jung’s role in YG’s stalking of Seol. It is indefensible, and honestly, it’s implausible for a relationship built on such indifferent cruelty to survive, especially when the instigator refuses to be a responsible adult and tackle the issue up close and personal.
Tim
February 16, 2016 at 5:59 PM
@laladaisical
Jung doesn't even attend the school anymore. And he is indeed preoccupied at work dealing with *imaginary* deadlines that his senior put him up with. So yes, with that limited time, he has shown effort.
For the record, it wasn't Jung who sent Young Gon to Seol's way. It was all In Ha's doing, and completely her method which resulted it. Could Jung himself have dealt with Seol differently without In Ha's intervention before? Yes. Did he gave In Ha an implicit consent on dealing with both Young Gon and Seol in her own way? Yes. In hindsight, should Jung have consented on it? Probably not. But that's exactly just how it turned out to be. It wasn't Jung's intention for Young Gon to stalk Seol the way that he did. No matter your perception of Jung's omniscience, he has no way of predicting how exactly Young Gon would turn out to be. Did he perhaps know that Young Gon will give Seol a hard time? Absolutely. But to the extent that he has shown now? With how Jung is acting, probably not.
Does Jung get defensive around Seol for actions that he knows she perceives deplorable? Absolutely, as he should. That's a natural response on his part, especially considering his personality. Yes, the problem doesn't root from Seol, but from Jung's own circumstances himself. Though the concern surrounding Seol isn't that it's her fault that Jung acts the way that he does, but that she herself stunts his ability to freely open up to her, when she herself is very guarded, and have explicitly shown disapproval of him/his actions.
Actions, which by the way I find not reprehensible if simply because it never escalates to the point most people exaggerates it to be. When I say this, what I mean is Jung's subterfuge and scheming. Which again, mind you, has a higher success rate of solving Seol's problems than any method that she, Bo Ra, Eun Taek, and In Ho could ever muster on their own. You may find it unpleasing, but that's a personal problem in your part rather than on Jung's methods. His method works, and if you objectively analyze it, may even find it morally sound too. You may disagree with it, but it works. Ironically, Seol herself has resorted to the same subterfuge that we normally see Jung employ, because unsurprisingly, there are more suitable solutions to problems and Jung is not given enough credit for his craftiness to avoid trouble.
Can he be cruel? Yes. Can Seol not love him despite that? Only Seol can affirm it. It's your prerogative to disagree, but do realize that human emotions are far more diverse than you try to box it as either acceptable/not acceptable.
Val
February 17, 2016 at 2:18 PM
I cannot reply directly to Tim, but I agree with everything you stated and a bag of chips. I find it amazing how people love to simplify other humans as if they were 2D characters
Peach
February 15, 2016 at 9:44 PM
Agreed.
Honestly, even as a Baek In Ho shipper, I feel like the most satisfying ending of the drama would be for all three of our leads to complete their own growth individually, and for them to get to a place where they can recognize their flaws, but still be happy with themselves at the end of the day, WITHOUT trying to resolve those issues through a relationship.
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Andrea
February 15, 2016 at 10:39 PM
Oooo, I agree SO HARD with this comment!
Though I rag on him all the time when it comes to being Seol's boyfriend, I actually do like Jung (especially since Park Hae Jin is portraying him AMAZINGLY). I do want his life to get better, and I understand that he has a lot of demons to battle. I just don't want him using Seol as a salve for his wounds, because he's hurting her in the process. He needs to do this growing on his own.
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Peach
February 15, 2016 at 10:44 PM
I just want all my characters to graduate and get the therapy they need, man! Lol
whimsyful
February 16, 2016 at 12:18 AM
Thirded/fourthed.
I do love Jung (despite how I side-eye him sometimes), and in an ideal world I would want the main trio to grow to a place where all three are happy and emotionally healthy and then work on the romance stuff. But then this wouldn't be a kdrama.
Honestly, the only romantic relationship I would root for in real life here is Bora/Euntaek.
KK
February 15, 2016 at 9:48 PM
If you can't understand a person's flaws, how do you love anyone?
For the record, Seol's kinda..."fixing" In Ho's life right now. If she wasn't on his butt about homework and working for his GED, would he be doing it? It's literally her driving him to do this for himself, and I have a feeling his little crush is also a new driving force. How is this any different? Why do people accept this more? It seems like she's treating In Ho the way she wishes she could treat her brother in pushing him to make something of himself and not waste away, especially when he has a talent. In Ho flying paper planes with her and buying weapons doesn't suddenly make this relationship equally give and take. It's been mostly take on In Ho's part, when looked at objectively. He's TRYING to be there for her now, but Seol doesn't look to him for support or to share things with.
How is this any healthier than a relationship between Seol and Jung forcing each other to grow to communicate and express feelings better if they want it to work?
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jellicoe
February 15, 2016 at 9:58 PM
THIS. Wow, thank you.
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Andrea
February 15, 2016 at 10:10 PM
"If you can’t understand a person’s flaws, how do you love anyone?"
It depends on what a person's flaws are. If someone is a decent person and their flaws don't harm others, then of course you can understand their flaws and love them.
But if someone's "flaws" are that their personality is vindictive, controlling, and manipulative, then no, I do not think that those flaws require understanding or patience or "fixing through the power of love".
Jung may be a good soul (ha, I typed "seol" first ^_^) and he may have understandable reasons ~from his childhood~ for acting the way he does, but his ACTIONS throughout the drama have been cruel and controlling. Even now, he CONTINUES to manipulate Seol's life even when she has explicitly asked him not to.
Seol is not "fixing" In-ho's life in the way that I see commentors urging her to fix Jung's life. Seol is definitely an inspiration to In-ho to do better. But even if you don't like him, you have to admit that In-ho is a hard-working person who is logging the man-hours to better himself. Seol has inspired him to work hard, but acting as an inspiration to someone and willingly putting in time with someone who is trying to better himself is MILES away from twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to make a grown man understand that he should not control the people in his life as if they were pawns on a chess board.
I think people accept the In-ho/Seol dynamic more willingly because helping him out does not harm Seol. When she's with In-ho, she doesn't have to be sad and patient and endlessly coddle the Man-Pain the way she does with Jung. And apart from dogging her for meals at the beginning of their acquaintance, In-ho's presence in Seol's life has been a positive one. He has pushed her to grow and develop a spine. He has directly confronted her stalker: he actually saved her from what looked like it would have been physical harm the first time she ran into Young Gon again. He helps her family, and he tries to get her brother to man up.
Perhaps most importantly of all, Seol doesn't have any trouble discerning that In-ho is a decent person. Jung, on the other hand, was an absolute menace in her life before he decided to take a liking to her. He might be nice to her now, but by my measure, someone who treats only the people he loves with kindness and casually inflicts cruelty on the rest of humanity is *not* a decent guy.
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 10:19 PM
I would probably blame drama writing that is giving its second lead more screen time than main lead ....its a major issue....
And also for soel to giving more time for another guy than her boyfriend....
Alex
February 15, 2016 at 10:27 PM
+10000 from Team Seol
Alice
February 15, 2016 at 10:33 PM
Took my thoughts right out of me. Thank you. I once had a boyfriend whom I loved a lot but his character left a lot to be desired. End of the day I learnt one important lesson. Love that works need no work. With Seol/Jung - its like happy one day, thoughts of breakup the other other. Roller coaster relationships drains and jades a person. Unhealthy.
The author has never been conventional in the first place and thats why the male lead as painted as difficult as it is with Yoo Jung’s character. I will not be surprised if the end game is a “Moral Behind the Story” arc that supersedes Kim Go-eun or Park haejin as leads and Seo Kang Joon as a second lead. That is :End of the day, message is Mr. Perfect might be everything he is on paper but when it comes of the reality of relationships in life you’re best off with your best friend.
KK
February 15, 2016 at 10:46 PM
I am SO TIRED of people continually ignoring what Jung's influence in Seol's life has done (AND he was the FIRST to tell her to stop taking this from people before In Ho was around iirc) while glorifying In Ho.
In Ho hasn't harmed people with his own abrasive personality?
In Ho who harassed Seol on campus when they first met? Remember? That's considered harassment and no wonder she thought he was a bum. AND he caused her to break her laptop, never paid her back.
In Ho who snooped thru her phone and purposefully (and continually...she didn't want him to initially work at the noodle shop) inserted himself into her life down to putting his number in all to make Jung mad? In Ho who used Seol as a meal ticket, made fun of her hair/eyes/clothes even after she told him it was rude? The In Ho who took advantage of Seol's lack of trust in Jung and told her half-truths to mislead her into thinking Jung is even worse? This In Ho is kind and harmless? We forget one of the main reasons Seol put up with him was bc she WAS a pushover when they met, then she felt pity for his hand.
I'm not even gonna touch on the "fixing" thing, because we will disagree. In Ho is a person who needs someone to push him because he has a lot of pride and is just now beginning to develop good work ethic. Seol AND Jung are hardworking individuals and people give WAY too much credit to Jung's manipulations. It's funny, because the audience does exactly what a lot of the more villainous characters in this drama does: blame Jung for their own stupid choices. Jung's not a saint, but this is just...no.
The fact is, we're conditioned into finding In Ho's behavior cute and funny, so it's more acceptable. He has the personality most first leads do, actually.
Jung doesn't go around making everyone's life hell. You do something to him? Fine, he'll pay you back. No excuse, but that's a human reaction. In Ho was manipulative in his own way from the beginning, but he's all smiles so y'all are fine with him. This isn't even a shipping thing, this is a lack of discussing the characters in a fair way thing. Not cool.
Dani
February 15, 2016 at 11:08 PM
KK, we are reading different webtoon and watching different drama with the others that comment on this one. That's all I can say.
Re-watching the Seol's growth, it is clear that Jung has a lot influence on her.
Like you wrote in last episode, whatever Jung do would be discredited, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It is seriously annoying, knowing that there is really nothing on Seol's end on love department for IH.
fay17
February 16, 2016 at 12:13 AM
",but by my measure, someone who treats only the people he loves with kindness and casually inflicts cruelty on the rest of humanity is *not* a decent guy."
@Andrea,yes this! Agree 100%!Remember his cold stare at joo yong and yoon seop when Jung got to see that they have this relationship? And he said something like,sunbae this is what you've been doing? Also because of him joo yong had to go back home,while it was not even his fault in the first place that his bf was in fault here..for doing wrong with Jung.Why made him suffer because of his bf? Jung used to know JY from his childhood but still he did not really feel sympathetic towards him.So the line I quoted is exactly what I feel wrong about.That apart from the person he loves,Jung has not really been non-manipulative or non-calculative with the other people in his life.
fay17
February 16, 2016 at 12:23 AM
End of the day I learnt one important lesson. Love that works need no work. With Seol/Jung – its like happy one day, thoughts of breakup the other other. Roller coaster relationships drains and jades a person. Unhealthy.----
@Alice exactly.
Also Alice you said :
'I will not be surprised if the end game is a “Moral Behind the Story” arc that supersedes Kim Go-eun or Park haejin as leads and Seo Kang Joon as a second lead.'
Honestly there was no second male lead in this story.They did this whole tagging because of the drama of course.And kdramas always need a first and second lead.Only if you have seen 'R88',you'd see they were both kind of equals.So I think same goes for CIIT.Both Jung and In Ho are there in the cover photo of the webtoon.So they are both important in Sul's life,that's one thing to be sure.
So I also am more open to your idea of this being Sul's journey as welll as the other two.I hope this drama keeps an open ending,to respect the webtoon author.Because I think unlike other stories ,when happy ending means the characters would stay together till the end,same technique won't work out for Jung and Sul,their relationship is so unpredictable,that even when the drama ends we would keep speculating how they would work out their differences.Jung is never constant.Unless he suddenly snaps out of his complicacies.Also love how you said,relationship that works needs no work.
KK
February 16, 2016 at 1:01 AM
"Love/relationship that works needs no work." WHAT?! Honestly, I'm sorry, but that is...no. If that's the case, everyone would end up divorced. Love IS work. It's loving someone for their flaws and supporting them through thick and thin. Life has a funny way of throwing obstacles at even the best of people. Humans fail every day. And you tell me real love and relationships need no work?
This isn't a JungxSeol comment as much as a I totally disagree with that entire sentiment comment. Jung and Seol don't apply to this comment at all actually. I just fundamentally disagree.
Even very healthy relationships take time, work, commitment and dedication. I blame sappy one-dimensional romances for deluding girls otherwise. Life doesn't work like that, and it's often the bumps in the road that couples overcome that make them stronger.
Back to the drama itself, I prefer Jung, but I hope Seol ends up alone.
Petra
February 16, 2016 at 1:27 AM
Urrr...but doesn't Jung treat humanity overall really decently? As long as you haven't crossed the line with him personally, he's really nice. After that, he doesn't seem to know how else to deal with it.
I think POV is crucial in the telling of this story.
I suppose that is my problem here. We seem to be judging Jung for not being a decent guy. But ppl are a mix of both good and bad. And we've only seen almost all things told from Seol's POV and the loonies' points of view. Furthermore, we have already seen that those perspectives are not without flaws. I guess it depends on whether we believed those perspectives or not.
I would like to see the rest of the story first. Which is why I am frustrated and seriously considering letting these pile up, haha.
Petra
February 16, 2016 at 1:52 AM
@ tourniquet
You do know that Jung wasn't judging those two because they were gay, right? One was a credit card thief (though it shows cash in drama) and one he was dismayed to find living in poverty as a drunk after leaving his family. He didn't make them break up. He told the sunbae he used to respect to go back home and get his life back together. That doesnt mean the two have to break up.
We are only seeing snippets of Jung's life. Mostly ones where he is dealing with bad ppl. He does have friends.
From what the webtoon and drama have said, there are reasons why everyone thinks he is a nice guy. He is.
And uh, at whoever said this. While too many problems in a relationship are bad, all relationships take work.
Just a matter of when they will show up. That's because all of us are broken.
But an exhausting roller coaster one is certainly bad.
I don't give Six Flying Dragons
February 16, 2016 at 6:42 AM
"But doesn’t Jung treat humanity overall really decently? As long as you haven’t crossed the line with him personally, he’s really nice"
This whole story began with Jung being caught spilling beer on pourpose on a girl by Seol.
What did she do? Smirk.
Proportional response from Jung?. Make her life hell for a YEAR and change since the stalker is still around.
Seol is right on not trusting him 100%.
The imbalance between the couple is huge, because Seol does nothing on Jung's life, but he messes with everything on hers.
And thank god Euntaek is so obiously in love with Bora, he couldn't manage Jung's "he’s really nice" directed at him.
Inha involvement in the stalker case seems to me like he hasn't change his ways.
Imaginary Euntaek older brother+Seol FTW.
PeepsLeAwesomePotato
February 16, 2016 at 8:13 AM
@I don't give Six Flying Dragons:
Oh come on now, let's be fair now. I don't get why people are exhibiting some kind of collective partial-amnesia when it comes to this.
Seol did not just smirk at him. She legit accused him of being a whistle-blower in full presence of his "clique" and related public during only the second time she met him when she had nothing except suspicion and prejudice. On paper that's not supposed to be worth much damage but in reality, imagine the scorn he would have faced if he hadn't deflected that off him. It was not just a smirk or because she was prejudiced against him. She actually allowed her bias to potentially affect his life negatively.
Also, that "make life hell for a YEAR" was told in Seol's perspective and Seol is not exactly Miss Neutral when it comes to this. It could have been misunderstandings; it could have been Seol being too paranoid and unfairly crediting all bad happenings that had befallen on her to Jung. It could very well be Jung's doing but we don't actually know that for sure/ whether it is a fact. An assumption is not a fact.
I also don't get WHY Jung would bother to make her life hell. Sure, maybe he didn't care to prevent hellish events that may have had head her way (only angels do that for people they don't like but then angels don't have people they wouldn't like) but I'm not understanding the sentiment that he would expend extra energy just to... say, trip her. What benefit does that bring to him? (Other than pleasure... which... why only Seol then. There are other people he has scores to even out with too and they hang out with him everyday.)
Also, "Seol does nothing on Jung’s life, but he messes with everything on hers". That is so damn unfair right now. I agree with KK of comment 28.1.3.2.4 regarding the positive influence of Jung on Seol's life but even without it, it's still an unfair statement. Did you not see the smiles and giddiness both showed when he met her for lunch this episode? They make each other happy (they are the happiness in each other's life!)and that's all the reasoning they need to be in each other's life. Seol does a lot for Jung by virtue of being the one who makes him happy (she even messes with his head since he doesn't completely understand her but wants to) and Jung doesn't mess with everything in hers. He doesn't touch her family; he doesn't touch her friends (including InHo when the situation amkes him fall under that umbrella); he doesn't even solve problems for her. He let her launch that cat fight and confront her own stalker. Sure, maybe he manipulated the circumstances but the choice was always hers. It's like he creates opportunities (which, I don't get why is bad) and leaves it to her to take which ones she wants. And that one year of hell? Like explained, whose fault that was is debatable.
fay17
February 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM
@I don't give six flying dragons:
I agree with you too.Also the way he just spilled drinks on that girl,just because he was annoyed with her lol.
Anyway what did you mean by this?
"And thank god Euntaek is so obiously in love with Bora, he couldn’t manage Jung’s “he’s really nice” directed at him.
Inha involvement in the stalker case seems to me like he hasn’t change his ways.
Imaginary Euntaek older brother+Seol FTW."
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Do you mean ET had his doubts too regarding Jung at some point?
Petra
February 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM
@ I don't give Six Flying Dragons
I think that's what I was trying to point out. It's about if you believe Jung actually made Seol's life hell or how much of it was her perspective?
Im not for excusing his behavior but shouldn't we hear the other side of the story too?
Is there one? Is Jung a unilaterally evil one dimensional character? That would be odd as ppl rarely are and it often makes for a bad story arc.
Honestly I'm puzzled about where this is heading. Maybe that's the cheese. Idk.
I want to understand Jung, not excuse him.
laladaisical
February 16, 2016 at 10:11 AM
+1 billion
29 mulberries
February 15, 2016 at 9:02 PM
Oh goodness, when she went running into his arms -- !
I think that scene encapsulates both ships for me. It's not that Seol is never completely comfortable with Jung: she feels comfortable enough that instinctively her walls crack and she bursts into tears with him, when not a minute ago we saw her holding back tears and pretending that everything was fine with Bora. It's that Seol is just so hard-working and self-effacing and she doesn't want to "ruin" any moment's happiness with Jung -- I don't get the sense that she worries about this with InHo, in part because InHo is so innately capable to drawing people out, but also in part because Seol doesn't seem to consider her moments with InHo particularly meant to be cherished.
At the same time: there's no explanation for why Seol just happened to run into Jung, when InHo was the one running around like a maniac in search of her. Jung was probably waiting for her -- who knows why he was there; probably on purpose to see her but not as if he knew that she had fought with her parents -- but that coincidence is such a perfect manifestation of how sometimes you just ... like a person. Even if InHo is the one exerting himself so much, it just worked out that Seol saw Jung first. And she went to Jung.
I love how happy the Jung and Seol are when they get back together, giddy like children. I don't think we've ever seen either of laugh so much or be so bright and smiling. By nature, they're both the over-intuiting type -- they spend so much mental energy trying to decipher what little gestures and subtle word choices mean. Neither of them really point blank tell each other things or ask each other things -- at least, not without calculating five sentences into the future. But eight episodes ago, we were worried that they seemed so uncomfortable on their dates, and now here they are, Seol giggling over sausages, Jung glomping onto her in bed --
I think they'll get where they need to be, in their own time.
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ramiran
February 15, 2016 at 9:35 PM
Aw, really love this comment!
Personally, I liked the scene where she runs to Jung is because it reminded me of the time Jung went to Seol's apartment in episode 6. It's one of my favourite scenes of them together. They were still in their awkward stage but were beginning to understand each other a bit and he praised Seol, and told her how well she was doing. “Watching you working hard—it’s really great to see.” That's the sort of thing Seol wanted but never got from her family.
Also, while Seol never completely confides in Jung, I don't see why she'd be particularly chuffed to share those feelings with In-ho either. I like their dynamic, very easy and comfortable but when did she ever divulge her worries to In-ho about her life? I don't remember anything like that. I think it's in her personality to not bring up more that's needed. Shows how she had to be independent and deal with her issues on her own (She never used to confide in Bora either). Of course, that's not what makes people closer and it doesn't develop relationships. But I think it's one of the things that make Seol and Jung similar.
Hoping that the next episodes bring more development for Jung, and his and Seol's relationship as well. Wishing that this drama stays good until the end, don't know if that's too much to ask for lol Despite the outcome, I think I'm gonna have some serious withdrawal issues.
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KK
February 15, 2016 at 9:51 PM
Yeah...I'm failing to see where Seol opened up or confided in In Ho like a LOT of people are asserting. She really doesn't look to In Ho for support and reliance, and he KNOWS this, too.
In fact, the most candid conversation in this entire drama was episode 6 in Seol's bedroom. Seol told Jung something about herself I don't think she'd ever told anyone.
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rainerust
February 15, 2016 at 9:59 PM
Yup. She doesn't tell Inho stuff - but he gets a lot of access to information simply because of his rapport with her family, which Jung doesn't have. So, this entire situation frustrates me!!
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lolalarue
February 15, 2016 at 10:45 PM
In fact In Ho even commented on her not opening up to him in the last ep ('I wouldn't trust me either'). As Rainrust said In Ho is privvy to her private life because he's involved with her family and school. He's also nosy and easy to talk to so he finds out about what's going on.
I love drama In Ho, but he's not for Seol. Seol just doesn't see him that way.
Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 2:09 AM
Exactly! Just coz they share train rides or are in close proximity with each other, doesn't mean she looks to him for support and for comfort. She treats him like her brother. They say there's an easy relationship between Seol-In Ho. Yes, similar to a sibling relationship.
Wouldn't it be funny tho if Seol's family take In Ho in and proceed to treat him just like Jun. And In Ho would all be, "what did I do wrong?". Maybe that's the only time Seol would know how Jung felt before. LOL.
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mulberries
February 15, 2016 at 10:05 PM
I think maybe Seol doesn't voluntarily seek to tell Inho things -- but Inho has a knack for getting things out of her and out of people in general, regardless. That's just...his innate abilities as a person. He pushes and wheedles and cajoles her that she needs to "get angry more!"; and eventually he gets it out; and good for him, because Seol needs to be pushed to share things. She doesn't volunteer.
Jung........is just crazy good at intuiting things. Seol doesn't volunteer with him all the time either, but he knows enough of the context that he usually figures it out.
That line -- "watching you working hard -- it's great to see" -- gets me straight in the gut. There's so many things going on in there! It's exactly what Seol wants to hear. And it's also what Jung really sincerely values in her: that she's so hardworking because (a) he shares those values and (b) he knows she's not the type to hang-on to him because of what he can do for her. Her hardworking-ness is at once an affirmation of their similarity and also an affirmation of the sincerity of her feelings for her. It also juuuuuust happens to be exactly what Seol wants to be praised for most!
Hahaha, oh man, these two work so well.
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JISG
February 15, 2016 at 10:15 PM
Sorry, the only thing In Ho ever got out of her was to buy him food.
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 10:29 PM
+100000 to all...
except after min soo fight where she only talked about jung she never discussed any issues openly...
mulberries
February 15, 2016 at 10:53 PM
Nah, she tells him about how she gets bullied at her summer job; and he tells her that it's too tiring to live so meekly.
Inho's not a bad guy:selfish, arrogant, violent, but he means well. The same way Jung's not a bad guy: cold, uncommunicative, manipulative, but he means well. It doesn't excuse what they've done, but the narrative acknowledges what they do is not okay; and they're called out on it; and they seem to be making sincere attempts to change.
Affection is not zero-sum; Seol being friends with Inho doesn't mean she likes Jung less. And dating Jung shouldn't mean that Seol can't be friends with Inho. The reality of it, though, is that Jung doesn't want her to be friends with Inho; and yet, Seol's life cannot be dictated by Jung's wants. At some point, both of them will weigh their affection for each other vs. what they want the other to do: and I think Jung's affection for Seol outweighs his dislike for Inho. (I think Jung's affection for Seol outweighs a great many things.)
The thing is: Inho has an easier time of changing for the better, because his flaws are more immediately obvious, and so he gets called out for them more; he has a bunch of people in his life correcting him, telling him to do better, showing him how to do better. Seol, his piano professor, Seol's family, even Inha sometimes ("Do you like Red Seol?")
Jung, because his flaws are deep and hidden, because on the surface he seems so perfect -- gets only meaningless praise. He doesn't get the corrective instruction that would improve him. Jung's father, I supposed, but the man goes about it all wrong; as if affection were conditional on Jung's behavior. Of course Jung's not going to be honest with his father in that case. Seol, really, is the only one who sees Jung in the, idk, Satrean sense? Before Seol, Jung -- the inner Jung -- existed only in his own worldview, because he was never seen by others, because he had never be caught by others, because he only showed a mask. After Seol, Jung's concept of self must include how Seol perceives him; he exists as the subject of Seol's worldview now too -- not just solipstically, but lol as a real boy. He's not accountable to another person. So -- there's hope for him yet.
mulberries
February 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM
*He's now accountable, whoops
Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:29 PM
@mulberries I agree with your comment so much but Jung's father is not the one to teach him how to be a decent person. Who do we think Jung learned all this manipulating, cunning, and back door deals from? Again and again I wonder why no one has really though on Jung's comments of "I don't know who you have watching me" and his anger on that. Jung who normally is in control of his feeling, go really angry for the first time.
Also why has no one wondered why exactly papa Yoo brought the Baek kids into his home and what exactly Inho did to Jung that has Jung dislike him just as much as he dislikes Jung. Why have so little given thought to Jung's rhetoric of "and you? don't you have anything to say to me?" and Inho suddenly wanting to drop the conversation...
30 JISG
February 15, 2016 at 9:03 PM
I think it worth noting that Jung also has the same trust issue toward Seol. He doesn't confide in her about all he's frustrated with not she him. Yet, they still want to be together to...I guess, hold hands and look at each other, which, I agree with Seol, is good enough for now to keep them together lol. They have a long way to go to make it a real long lasting relationship.
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lolalarue
February 15, 2016 at 9:30 PM
That is true. Jung is not being honest with Seol either. They are really alike, probably one of the reasons In Ho likes them both so much (c'mon we all know In Ho is dying to reconcile with Jung).
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JISG
February 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM
He's crushing on them individually and together lol
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Miranda
February 15, 2016 at 11:39 PM
The weirdest thing is that I feel like In Ho would just be so happy if Seol and Jung got together permanently and just let him come over twice a week to have dinner and play video games.
He just wants to be around them both so much. He wants to chatter away with Seol and he deeply craves Jung's regard in some sort of younger-brother way. If they were his family, he would be really happy.
In Ho's just not that complex when it comes down to it, I think.
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lolalarue
February 15, 2016 at 11:50 PM
Totally agree. He wants love and I would be so down for watching a show about flawed people finding each other and becoming a family. I'm a bit mad that the show has turned this into a love triangle when it could have been so much more interesting.
I just feel like In Ho/Seol is a non-starter no matter how charming and amazing he is. He's grown as a person and so has Seol. So why is Jung still in the dark? I feel like the last two episodes were wasted even though they were a very watchable 2 hours of TV.
In Ho's growing crush on Seol was the focus of two episodes of character development. Even though I enjoyed watching it, it was still wasted time. Particularly when we have a rich catalogue of characters that I'd love to see more of (Ah Young, Joon, In Ha/Jae Woo, Bo Ra/Eun Taek). And a deep bench of antagonists (Da Young, Young Gon, Sung Chul). It's not that I'm against In Ho development, just against wasting such a rich universe on a loveline that's only one way.
Miranda
February 15, 2016 at 11:56 PM
@Lola, I'm okay with In Ho getting more time and Jung less because it feels like Jung is getting backed into a corner. He's not around Seol at school anymore, work is trapping him between his father and his jerk coworkers, In Ho is circling Seol... Jung spent the first half of the drama being mostly in control, I'm a little interested in seeing how he reacts when he gets sidelined so much.
I also think In Ho is going to be the catalyst to make Jung and Seol stick together. He's the most emotionally mature of the three of them (although I know that sounds insane) and at a certain point I don't think he'll let them sabotage each other. Much like his relationship with In Ha, In Ho just can't treat the people he likes badly. Hell, he couldn't even get angry at that kid who led his old boss to him. He's fine getting hurt himself and is actually really good at sabotaging himself, but I think he'll really extend himself to prevent Seol from hurting. Same for Jung, except that In Ho does seem to think Jung needs to hit some sort of rock bottom first?
lolalarue
February 16, 2016 at 12:17 AM
@Miranda I always appreciate your comments! That has me really excited. I've spent the last 2 weeks hoping for a change of focus to Jung, but the idea that Jung needs this to finally break out of his comfort zone/controlled self is very exciting.
Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 2:12 AM
Giggles at this. I am soo rooting for the bromance!!
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Miranda
February 15, 2016 at 11:51 PM
Unfortunately, I think this is partly Jung's perception of being "the same" coming true. They ARE the same in that they observe and then cautiously act, and right now both of them have observed that there are things the other one doesn't like talking about, so they politely avoid it. And that's how they end up in this weird state where they clearly GET each other pretty deeply, but haven't managed to put the specifics into words. Which is kind of vital to a relationship!
In Ho meanwhile yammers nonstop, to the point that simply responding to him has meant Seol told him enough piecemeal that he's been able to assemble a whole that allows him to tease her with familiarity. It also helps that he is massively obvious about every fleeting emotion passing through him, but is hilariously oblivious about it - Seol barely has to read him, he's practically shouting his inner monologue. So between In Ho's natural ability to form familiar bonds, and Seol's ability to read people, they've gotten superficially very close and non-superficially quite close.
Jung is hard. He doesn't talk much, and when he does it's decisive or observant. Other girls know where to go with a comment like "your hands are so small", but Seol just leaves it hanging.
PHJ's slight eyebrow quirk when Seol mentions not going home yet did crack me up though - would've been out of character except the next morning Jung laughs so happily. He is definitely thinking naughty things (and GOOD FOR HIM).
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lindl
February 15, 2016 at 11:57 PM
I love this comment. Hahaha
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31 cacia
February 15, 2016 at 9:04 PM
I was actually starting to like Jung and Seol together this week since they were so cute together, but then he had to overreact and make Seol feel guilty for no reason again. I understand he has his own history with In Ho (which I'm excited that it looks like we'll learn more about next episode) but I have no tolerance for guys that try to police who their gfs hang out with.
As much as this drama seems to be about whether or not Jung and Seol can work out their differences and actually be "together," I have to admit that I'm actually a little more interested in how his and In Ho's relationship will be resolved, if it's resolved at all.
I have to compliment this drama, even if I don't like all the characters as people, I still find all of them extremely interesting. Even In Ha, who I was ready to write off as the two-dimensional bratty sister/gold digger, has shown different layers lately.
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denizen
February 15, 2016 at 9:41 PM
mmmhm, perhaps it was overreaction, but consider that flash-back playing at that exact moment, history (exactly) repeating itself: the lovable In Ho easily inserting himself into the lives of people that Jung craves affirmation from as the more reserved Jung fails to in the first instance at least. Jung doesn't seem to police the people Seol hangs out with, like In Teuk for example, its just In Ho. In Ho is a very very sore, emotional point that hasn't been fully explained. It has to hurt to see your gf/bf be supper chummy with someone who represents that in your life. Not defending, just considering
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cacia
February 15, 2016 at 9:59 PM
I understand why Jung has reasons to resist In Ho, I just don't like how Jung has a tendency to make Seol feel as if she's in the wrong because of the bad blood between the two of them. Even when they weren't dating, Jung made her feel bad for trying to set him up with Ah Young out of jealousy that she was going on a blind date.
In Ho, on the other hand, has expressed the reasons why he thinks Seol should be wary of Jung, but has since excepted her relationship with him as what it is and hasn't tried to interfere or cause conflict within it.
Basically all these characters have a dozen or two issues and its very stressful when they don't just TALK about it.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
February 15, 2016 at 11:04 PM
Even when they weren’t dating, Jung made her feel bad for trying to set him up with Ah Young out of jealousy that she was going on a blind date.
Er what? That was legit Seol's fault for promising one thing and betraying him and tricking into a date he never agreed to or wanted. He never even knew! Jung had every right to be angry and aloof and if Seol felt bad, that was her own doing and her own guilt. He never played the 'poor me, look at me' card. He was just livid on his own. Unless you're telling me that Jung has no right to be mad because poor widdle Seol's feewings would get hurt? Then imma just put a big fat NO here.
And Jung has accomodated Seol and InHo's relationship a heck lot of times. He even lets InHo eat with them. He's also told Seol the reason for the bad blood! All Jung asks is for Seol to not be close to InHo. He never even pulled the "InHo or Me" card. I don't get why people are saying that Jung is controlling Seol when really, he hasn't done scrap about InHo being around her except say "don't be so close to him" and acting all passive agressive towards InHo.
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bigmomma12345
February 16, 2016 at 7:57 AM
This.
Jung has not demanded Seol to stop seeing In Ho. He has simply said he doesn't like them having a relationship - which as her boyfriend, he is entitled to say. She listens and then chooses to continue to see In Ho (although he has made it difficut for her not to by working at the noodle shop - a job he probably took as much because it would drive Jung insane as it was out of need.).
Two things that gave me pause on this issue was Seol's comment to Jung that the boys don't get along but it doesn't seem to be because they don't like each other, and Jung's comment to Seol that he doesn't want her worrying about/because of the boys' relationship. Seol is the kind of person who doesn't say things because she worries about Jung's reaction, yet she continues to have a relationship with In Ho seemingly against Jung's wishes, which is telling to me.
I believe
1. Jung might secretly see (and/or hope) that Seol can help the boys reconcile, and
2. That Seol can see that Jung isn't really as bothered by her relationship with In Ho as he is with In Ho himself (and their past problems). I just don't see non-confontational Seol pursuing the tutoring relationship etc with In Ho if she truly thought Jung had a major problem with her seeing In Ho.
hongseol
February 15, 2016 at 11:06 PM
true. inho has never imposed himself on her. he is there to support her in whatever she does. one of the reasons why i like him.
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 11:13 PM
In Ho never imposed himself on her? really? first he put his own number to her phone, then inserting himself in her family restaurant.
ah, you mean Jung is supporting her, in whatever he does? Either from afar or when he is there, unannounced just because he misses his gf so much, and voila his gf was really need him too at that moment?
You might want to edit your comment because I think you made a typo there with the name.
KK
February 15, 2016 at 11:19 PM
Actually, In Ho has. Re-watch episodes. Seol told In Ho long ago he was her biggest stressor and then later on she was the one who did NOT want him to work at her family's noodle shop.
I'm not saying Seol doesn't care for In Ho now but it's not true to say he never pushed himself on her. He has.
I second what Peeps said. Jung has literally NOT pulled the possessive boyfriend card. Y'all haven't seen possessive OR abusive if you think this behavior is either. People invalidating Jung's feelings is exactly what characters do in the drama, ironically.
JISG
February 15, 2016 at 9:59 PM
Not overreaction at all even if you take his history out of the equation. Again, think of how Seol was/is with ONE picture(!) of Jung and In Ha together. It coloured her judgement, made she doubt herself and their relationship and pretty much ruined her days for days.
Versus how many "together" pictures of Seol and In Ho did In Ha take? Countless.
I think people are lying if they say that Jung is overreacting because all you have to do is put yourself in his shoes to understand why it's upsetting. It's not about him wanting to control her friendship, it's about asking for respect, from Seol for not be buddy buddy with someone who hates/resents him and from In Ho for, well, not liking his girl?
Lastly, if Jung wants to control Seol's friendship, why doesn't he have the same problem with Eun-Taek??
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:41 PM
exactly.
it's like "seol girl if you loosing your cool over one picture. imagine how homeboy feels when he has to SEE you two interact on the daily" then add in the pictures (in one he was bandaging her with medicine JUNG brought) yeah I would loose it too. I would walk out on my boyfriend and then text you in a day or two (things Seol has done repeatedly with Jung). Jung leaves Seol once, once and he's getting flack. How many times has Seol walked away from him with a call or answering his texts?
They both at fault. Both got a lot they need to work on. But only one gets a lot of flack because of his "dark side" and this issues has little to do with that.
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:43 PM
*without a call or answering his texts?
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lolalarue
February 16, 2016 at 12:21 AM
Particularly given that Jung has been staying away from her at Seol's request and by the pictures Seol's has been using that time to get closer to the one person Jung is incredibly insecure about. In Ho is what Jung could never be (to his father but also in personality) and he is also an enemy and now a rival. Even if Seol doesn't recognise him as a rival and while I want In Ho to stick around (because I like him and want him to find a family with the Hong's) it's so unfair to Jung. I'd be incredibly worried if I was in his shoes. He didn't even react badly to it, just left when he was upset.
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Lilium
February 15, 2016 at 10:13 PM
It was hardly an overreaction.
Would any sane person be comfortable with their partner getting too close with someone of the opposite sex? I doubt it.
Whatever his faults, Jung has bent over backwards to accommodate Seol as much as possible.
I really don't understand these charges of possessiveness that are laid at Jung's door. He sure doesn't have any problem with Eun Taek, does he?
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JISG
February 15, 2016 at 10:16 PM
We have the exact same comment lol
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Lilium
February 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM
LOL. Yeah. Sorry. Not sure how that happened.
But I think it's really bizarre that people accuse Jung of being abnormal but if he starts acting normally, apparently that's abnormal.
The guy can't win.
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JISG
February 16, 2016 at 6:16 AM
Oh no I just meant that we're thinking the exact same things at the exact same time #justiceforJung!!
Andrea
February 15, 2016 at 10:25 PM
This is not a comment on the Jung/Seol relationship, but just a statement in general:
"Would any sane person be comfortable with their partner getting too close with someone of the opposite sex? I doubt it."
I would. I'm single now, but in past relationships, I have felt completely comfortable with my partner having close relationships with people of the gender that they are attracted to.
I didn't feel that way about *every* person that my partners interacted with, but if there were people that gave me cause to worry, I talked to my partners about it. I didn't try to stop them from forming friendships with all members of an entire gender though.
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Lilium
February 15, 2016 at 11:01 PM
Well, you're a bigger person than I am. ;)
But after the number of stories I've heard from people abandoning families for their spouse's close friends, I still think it's wiser to erect the necessary boundaries.
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fay17
February 15, 2016 at 11:20 PM
@Andrea yeah that's actually how I would act too.I mean just because my bf would have another best friend who is not supposedly a boy,I should not be seeing red everywhere.And why not right? It's not like that takes away anything from the relationship we would have,if you're 'confident' about the romance factor,why be so suspicious,or scared about your girl interacting with another guyfriend? Also just because you have problem with that 'one person' you should not really impose your views on her,like it's her decision and her choice,as Sul said some episodes earlier,'why she has to stop seeing In Ho?' So this keeps coming back to this one simple equation.No matter how people keep saying In Ho is rude and brash for asking treat from Sul lol,is that borderline 'sin'? Lol a lot of friendships start on a wrong tune,but then they become friends for life.In Ho would not be taking decision for Sul's life,as Jung tries to,whenever he does not agree with the path she's walking.
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:48 PM
but he's not confident is the whole point and it's not just friends. Inho likes Seol...Ya'll are much much better people than me.
I got no problem with my boyfriend being friends or close with other girls (neither does Jung have a problem being friends or close with other boys, Euntaek anyone..) it's just one girl who I can't stand who I know likes you who you spend a lot of time with and knows more about your life than I do, who yes I am insecure about. No I am not going to force you to not be friends (something Jung hasn't done neither) but when it makes me uncomfortable I will let you know by walking away if need be (which Jung did).
Like one picture of Inha and Jung together has Seol out of sorts (even with the many reassurances both Inho and Jung had given her) why is it overreactive for Jung to react in a similar manner to no only multiple pictures but seeing it right before his eyes?
Petra
February 16, 2016 at 2:32 AM
Jung doesn't try to stop Seol from having friendships with an entire gender either.
And honestly, close to 20 yrs of marriage has taught me that you do have to have healthy boundaries with friendships with members of the opposite sex. Even if you are oblivious, the person can crush on you and it can get ugly.
Ideally, Jung and Inho should make up and the three of them should hang out together sometimes.
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JIS
February 16, 2016 at 9:40 AM
you are a bigger person than I, too lol
we're not talking about her long time BFF who happens to be a guy. we're talking about a dude with bad history and bad blood who ACTIVELY bad mouth Jung to his girlfriend and everyone else who'll listen IN FRONT OF HIS FACE. and he's constantly at her school, home and hangs out with her friends and family.....come on now.
honestly, the more i see In Ho on screen and practically in every single frame of Seol's life, the more I think Jung must have a patience of a saint...or, that Seol is kinda disrespectful toward his feelings.
question: how would she react if In Ha works with Jung, goes to his school, lives at home with him and say passive aggressive shit about her in front of Jung whenever she sees her? i am pretty sure it's not "you should totally hang out more with that lovely girl" lol
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KK
February 16, 2016 at 10:12 AM
EXACTLY. THANK YOU.
hanie
February 15, 2016 at 10:31 PM
When it comes to Jung displaying even a slight change of emotion = possessiveness, overreaction, controlling, jealousy and whole other adjective tbh.
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 10:38 PM
My thoughts are the same...
It was not just jealousy it was fueled by inha and past history that reaction makes him more human..
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:36 PM
I wil be so honest here. If my boyfriend were hanging out with a girl I don't like and share bad blood with while he and I are still not secure in our relationship, and I know she likes him (come on now this is Jung, the two of them's coughing fit gives it all away) I would be....we would talk.
Jung tried. He really tried to be cool with Inho because he knows Seol wants to be friends with Inho and other than telling her once he doesn't want them being friends (which he accepted when they had the talk on the bench and she made it obvious in her actions that she wasn't going to listen) and the other time where he tells her he doesn't want he in the middle of him and Inho and for her to choose sides (which I thought was the right and smart thing) he has been trying.
Jung tries to be civial when he see Inho (expect for that one piano thing but that had to do with Inho's rain wave). He invited him to eat with them. He calmed Seol down when she was getting out of sorts about Inho working at her parents resturant and he even asks about Inho going to school and playing the piano (ep 8). Boy has tried not to rock the boat and be accepting as not to lose Seol or control her life.
However the coughing bit from Inho and Seol, the things he knows that that she doesn't share with him (and Seol herself says she knows she should but then doesn't) and just the comfortableness and ease. I would find him strange if he DIDN'T get jealous, especially after the flashback too. I myself would feel some type of way if my boyfriend was all like that with a girl who likes him and he spends more time with than me.
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:51 PM
*her
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Miranda
February 15, 2016 at 11:42 PM
I'm usually all over Jung for being shady or controlling to Seol, but this scene worked for me. He's genuinely upset, the flashback shows why he's upset, and he removes himself from the situation. He doesn't throw a fit or yell at her or demand she account for her actions or any of that - he seems to understand that this is at least partially all in his own head and goes off to deal with it.
Seol knows Jung is touchy about In Ho and hasn't been honest about how much time they spend together. She doesn't have to stop seeing In Ho, but she really should tell Jung so he doesn't get blindsided at lunch.
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Lin
February 15, 2016 at 11:52 PM
thank you. i thought for once jung was behaving well and reacting like a real boy and still he gets flack for it. what must this boy do...i get his dark side issues but this had nothing to do with that and i thought it was a very well and honest show of emotion and realistic reaction from him...
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Miranda
February 16, 2016 at 12:02 AM
If he were doing it for show, then that would be one thing, but it's clear that Jung is genuinely hurt. Seol needs to know that her policy of postponing conversations because they're difficult is actually causing Jung to feel awful.
Nothing about his actions felt shaming or demonstrative, which is saying something. It's a terrible feeling to clue into something and then have it build like a tsunami of emotion, and that looks like what overwhelmed Jung. A small thing built into a much larger thing, and he had to leave.
The past few episodes have been all about painting Jung into a corner, and this was just another example of that. It'll be interesting to see how he snaps, because he has to.
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lindl
February 16, 2016 at 12:08 AM
I agree. The show has slowly been showing us the kind of pressure Jung is under in the rest of his life, when Seol is not around.
Petra
February 16, 2016 at 2:38 AM
I was very, very saddened by Seol this episode. I thought she would bring up the freaking elephant in the living room but she sweeps it under the rug.
Ah well, I guess she was still so upset about her parents.
Dealing with all the (constant) craziness, maybe she just wanted a moment of peace. Sigh.
Petra
February 16, 2016 at 2:20 AM
"Make Seol feel guilty..." Hmm.
Is that what you see happening there? Interesting. But no one MAKES anyone feel anything. And he apologizes before heading off. I thought that said he felt sorry for feeling the way he did, but he nevertheless did and so he went to shut down for a bit. It's confusing and overwhelming...our childhood triggers.
Jung has been honest about how he doesn't like Seol hanging out so much with Inho. He has a right to voice that just as she has a right to hang out with whomever she chooses. Neither may be the wisest of decisions but neither is wrong in and of itself.
The alternative? We see that when Seol pushes her jealousy of Inha aside. I thought Seol was completely wrong NOT bringing up the Inha and Jung picture. It's that holding back thing. So she tells herself not to be bothered by it...but she is. Denial isn't going to make it go away.
Hopefully, it was just a timing issue and she still will.
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32 Nat
February 15, 2016 at 9:04 PM
After a long two weeks, thanks for the review!
This episode In Ha said the smartest thing I've heard her say in this drama when she told Seoul that she is too indecisive. I like Seoul, but I think I have been ignoring her flaws from the beginning, because of how everyone else was so messed up. But Seoul has issues that she needs to deal with outside of the usual standing up for herself. And In Ha pointed one of those out - in her relationship with Jung, she needs to be more decisive. Either accept him for who he is, or just leave him alone if she can't. I may be the only one who thinks this way, but it seems a little like she only wants to use him because she feels like he is someone she could lean on, and she has no one else like that. All the reasons she gave for not breaking up had to do with the fact that his presence was comforting to her. She deserves to be able to lean on someone, but not like this - if you can't trust the guy, break up with him.
I like how we get to see why Jung has been against In Ho and Seoul's friendship from the beginning, and it makes perfect sense. And to be honest, ordinarily I'm nothing like Jung, but if I were in his shoes, this would be the point where I retreat into myself and break off with the other person. To him, it's like history repeating itself, and it's devastating. No wonder he left like that. It's also frustrating to see that Jung doesn't seem to have thought about his issues at all - He made that deal with In Ha. Although, if I were to over analyze things: He beat up the first stalker and Seoul said not to do it again, so this is his way of taking care of Young Gon without getting violent? Just a conjecture.
I honestly don't know where this is going. But I'm excited to see!
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delurked
February 15, 2016 at 9:21 PM
Interesting thoughts! The fact that you linked the happenings of this episode to the characters' past interaction helped my brain process Jung a little better.
(Let's be honest: Jung's thoughts are about as clear as mud to me.)
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rainerust
February 15, 2016 at 9:57 PM
I have to say that I actually agreed very hard with Inha during that conversation she had with Seol - I feel like Seol needs to step up to the relationship too. She either needs to commit, or leave - the longer the barriers are up in the relationship, the worse it gets for all three of them. Sometimes, the wiser choice is to learn when to let go.
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KK
February 15, 2016 at 10:55 PM
In Ha is actually more help to Seol and Jung than she realizes. She's the one plotting but I think her actions will force them to finally freaking TALK.
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 11:20 PM
Hi Nat, thanks for your insight. I agree with you on this. and with the others too. I was lol-ed at delurked comment on Jung's thoughts. and KK comment on Inha's involvement.
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 2:31 AM
Thank you for this. Agree with your take on Seol. And I also like how Seol was mulling over In Ha's words after their confrontation.
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33 yayabean
February 15, 2016 at 9:07 PM
What an episode! The oppa scene was too cute and the family dinner warmed my heart. I too wish the Hong family adopted In-ho.
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luna
February 15, 2016 at 9:11 PM
Couldn't agree more...
he acts like a big bro already... for joon
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34 Vieny
February 15, 2016 at 9:08 PM
Seol and jung shoul co-mu -ni- ca-ti-on like teacher kang said. I just can't handle my heart whenever they hugging or touch their hand each other..it just so sweet but today hug is heartbreaking. Seol's cry is so genuine.
Team yujung sunbae- seol all the way!
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35 missjb
February 15, 2016 at 9:16 PM
I think It's make sense for Hong Seol not to talk about her problems this time, because One of the main problem in their family fight is about their economy struggle (Seol family choosing Her brother over her in education) . Seol is always open to Jung when it comes to anything else. She doesn't want to make Jung think she approach him because of her economy problem.
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StarlaBlaise
February 16, 2016 at 2:08 AM
Sul openly talked about it with Jung in manhwa. But they vhanged that scene to talking with In Ho. Actually, they changed a lot of Jung/Sul scenes to In Ho/Sul. So frustrating!
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36 lindl
February 15, 2016 at 9:26 PM
OH GOD. Great episode. I can't wait for tomorrow. But I really super enjoyed this one.
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lindl
February 15, 2016 at 11:24 PM
Things I loved:
Seol speaking up in the Inha-Younggon scene. A few episodes ago, that never would have happened.
Dayoung getting a long-overdue clue. I hated it when Younggon turned her against Seol. Just what we need more of in this world: women hating on women.
The family scenes, including the ones with Inho. At first I was surprised that they cast the gangster from Dream High as such an unattractive character, but now that the dad's changing for the better, I'm beginning to see why they chose this actor.
I think Inho is adorable, but I'm Team Jung all the way.
Which brings me to:
The hug scene
The scene in Jung's bed
Looking forward to more!
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 2:45 AM
Seol's dad. Geez, he still thinks it's Joseon era when the daughter gets shipped off to live at the inlaws and (if it's far away) they never see her again maybe?
Too much pressure on Joon to fulfill a role which is too much for him and too little credit to Seol.
Ah well, I think he means well and loves them but was just being a dumbass.
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37 jenna
February 15, 2016 at 9:27 PM
Kim Go Eun's acting is so wonderful and raw. Anyone watched any of her other work?
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jellicoe
February 15, 2016 at 10:03 PM
Watched Monster with Lee Min-ki. Not the most satisfying thriller but THE GIRL CAN ACT. She's a natural. Hoping to watch her other movies when uni settles down, which might be never lol. A Muse (she got a lot of praise for that one) and Coin Locker Girl (are there good subs yet?)
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JIS
February 16, 2016 at 9:43 AM
i totally looked up her IMDB to see what else she's in so i can watch them all. she's a great actress especially for being so young!!!
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38 hanie
February 15, 2016 at 9:34 PM
Yoojung sunbae has his heart on his sleeves too but nobody, even drama Seol cares to look at it.
How hurtful it is you skip work just to have lunch with your girlfriend but ended up seeing her so cozy, right in front of your face, with another men, someone who you have long bad history with? I know, nobody ask him to skip work but damn..that was cold.
Why they leave the part that Seol told Jung what happened at home? They shared stories actually. I wish Seol could just be honest with Jung. Jung's how's school is his opening asking Seol to talk to with about all those crazy madness that is going ow. But instead taking his hand, Seol turn around and run off with Baek Inho. Ok, I'm exaggerating but y'all understand that. Just tell him that Younggon that psycho mfer is stressing me out & I'm collecting evidence on him. Jung can help Seol. But he know all that from Euntaek and by the time he (might) take action, you run of thinking that he is weird. It feels like Seol still thinking badly of Jung, her standard operating with Jung is still not to tell & view him with that watchful eyes~ I thought after Minsoo, she gain some understanding...
I understand there are parts need to be cut as this is only 16 eps but it feels like too many Jung's part got cut & I see hella lot of Baek Inho.. Why?
Talking about Baek Inho, I understand drama try to makes him a contender, love triangle need to happen yada yada yada but what's with those oppa scenes?? Those CG rosy cheeks was more that enough tho. And then, there is ep 12 preview~ Gah.... Or maybe this is a preemptive move from them telling me there will be change in OTP & I should jump off the cliff now~
Arghhh... I am angry. I wait 2 weeks for this!!!
I need Lee Jung Moon
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 10:45 PM
+1...
I feel you...
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BeeSuzie
February 15, 2016 at 10:50 PM
"this is a preemptive move from them telling me there will be change in OTP"
I am having R88 flashbacks. I dislike that type of writing. Stop manipulating the audience. And if the drama is going to have a different ending, then by all means, show that change in the writing. Show us why Seol belongs with InHo and not just make him a prop to create conflict in Jung and Seol's relationship. Okay this is the last comment! I need to finish my paper and I took a very long break! T_T
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 11:23 PM
I think by now, I have replied almost all comments in this comments section, that's how much I feel for this drama. But, I could not help myself when so many comments channeling my own sentiments. I am too really wish they just get over with it with Inho thing, it's enough. I want to see my two baby plushies's characters development. The two main leads, please, not the rosy second male lead, that still calling a grown up woman with name calling. It is not funny. You are not 5 years old!
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 2:38 AM
Do you guys think tho that the writer/PD meant to imply that Seol told Jung what happened at home and why she ran away? I was just thinking back to that scene where Seol and In Ho were happy to realize that the parents made up already and Seol was about to tell Jung as well, but that was the time he stood up and excused himself.. Though if they did imply it, that would've been sad as that scene in the webtoon was important for their relationsip :(
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hanie
February 16, 2016 at 5:47 AM
I rewatched it but it seems that Jung just floored seeing Seol & Baek Inho talking about that. The way *I* see it Seol just blurt things out to Jung without giving him context whatsoever. But I do hope they talked off screen and I just being sourpuss because Baek Inho just ruined their lunch date. It is sad it happened off screen but even sadder if it didnt happened at all tbh.
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 6:00 AM
So true. Let's hope there's a reason for all this.
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39 Ann
February 15, 2016 at 9:38 PM
So it's fine for Soel to be jealous of jung and in ha but when jung is jealous about Her and in Ho it's a problem?
I'm actually tired of Soel. I would never date anyone who still becomes extremely close to someone who im not in good terms with. Be realistic. If you meet your boyfriend and you meet another boy who your boyfriend doesn't like, you would neever pursue a relationship with a boy your boyfriend doesn't like.
I'm tired of the love triangle! In ho was selfish and manipulative in the webtoon and the more I watch the in ho in the drama the more angry I get. He wasn't like this and they're pushing this love triangle way too much. Jung is the lead character. Freaking give him some screen time. In the webtoon, Seol does confide in jung about her family problems. Here, nothing happens. I might actually stop watching this show till the last episode airs because I get so mad seeing them push in ho. In ho hasn't helped Soel in anyway. Jung is the one who has helped her substantially - got her a scholarship, got her two jobs, got rid of min ho. All in ho has done is get her fired from a job that she actually needs.
Yeah, I might take a break from this drama. I'm kinda over it.
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JISG
February 15, 2016 at 10:06 PM
Yes I totally agree. In Ho is for all intent and purposes thus far, is Jung's "enemy". A person who actively says he hates Jung and bad mouth him mutilple times because Jung's "done him wrong". On those basis alone, Seol is now his BFF, helper, employer, family's pet?!?! And Jung is expected to take that because he's her friend and you can't control her(!)
To quote Jung, how perfect do you (the audience) expect him to be????
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youcallitwinter
February 15, 2016 at 10:07 PM
I don't know, all the things you mentioned that Jung got her are kind of things that he....can get because he's rich? He didn't have to do much for them (except manipulate some people). He doesn't need the scholarship, he can get her the job because of his family name, etc. But In Ho's also done things for her; cheered her up and made her smile at times when she didn't feel like it, and I don't think it's any less relevant because it's not as easily verifiable or material?
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JISG
February 15, 2016 at 10:24 PM
What?!??!? Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. Jung has gotten her a lot cheap craps, too hahaha case in point, the stuffed lion that she cherish most...? And if you doubt Jung's actions that's "not easily verifiable or material" then watch all of their scenes again starting with the time Bora's dad was in the hospital.
I am not dissing your take honestly but I think you're watching Jung's actions through In Ho-coloured glasses if you think all he does is somehow inferior to In Ho's "genuine" intents just because that dude is poorer.
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 10:57 PM
Soel and inho are having plane give and take system... he gave her things and got a lot more back from her...
Jung on the other hand helped her alot going out of his way... understanding her from kimpab to coupon... small restaurant... he never showed off that he was rich...
The reason for both the guys approached soel at start clears a lot... inho might have changed but jung was there for her when she needed most...
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 2:47 AM
@JISG and Cheeseintrap - Agree with you both. This is actually how Jung is different from most bratty chaebol leads. He doesn't make an issue of their difference in status. He doesn't make fun of her just because her place is small, she has no money, aims for a scholarship, takes the public transpo, has parents who are just getting by etc.. In fact, Jung even goes out of his way to meet her halfway and help her as much as he can, without her seeing it as charity -her scholarship, helping her friends, trying new food like kimbap etc. You never hear Jung diss her and you never see him disrespect her.
KK
February 15, 2016 at 10:10 PM
THE DOUBLE STANDARD IS SO REAL. I love how In Ho's flaws (and Seol's, tbh, tho I love her) are washed away by both the characters in the drama and a good majority of the audience, while Jung can blink or breathe a certain way and people are like, "OH MY, I'd tell my friends to run for their lives!!!" And Jung has a right to feel upset in this circumstance. Listen, if my boyfriend was hanging out with a girl I had a bad past with and keeping it from me...I'd be pissed. We'd be having words asap.
I'm...am I watching a different drama? All these characters are flawed and frankly have their horrible moments. I keep waiting for In Ho in particular to be FAIRLY and OBJECTIVELY analyzed (he has had his fair share of unpleasant moments and he's not open or honest just because he's talkative and smiley lol), but *crickets*
I think it's pretty sad too, and it's making the drama a lot less enjoyable when the show imo is using In Ho now to drag out Seol and Jung's misunderstandings. Exactly like I feared it would *sigh*
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Dani
February 15, 2016 at 11:27 PM
you are, KK, I have wrote in previous comment, on your comment (does that even English?) that it seems we are just watching different drama, really. I am just having a lot of wtf moment reading the comments. It's angel Inho all over again, and what an bastard Jung is, no matter what he does. So I will try to just accept that we are really watching different drama and reading different webtoon. (though I still fumed, on how bad Jung's character painted in their own drama.
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Sera The Ms Temper
February 15, 2016 at 11:37 PM
"I keep waiting for In Ho in particular to be FAIRLY and OBJECTIVELY analyzed (he has had his fair share of unpleasant moments and he’s not open or honest just because he’s talkative and smiley lol), but *crickets*.. "
I am waiting too.
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hanie
February 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM
I keep waiting for In Ho in particular to be FAIRLY and OBJECTIVELY analyzed
well... I guess we need to wait until this drama is over cause I dont think its coming anytime soon~
or maybe not. dont wait, its not coming~
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 2:52 AM
Hi KK! Lol, it seems we're always talking about this topic in the recent episodes. Don't worry, there are still a few of us watching the same thing haha. I guess this is also reflects real life. And also maybe brings the drama's point home? That In Ho, for all his misgivings (and again, like you said, all of them are flawed), is easily accepted by people, even the audience, because he is much more easy to read than others like Jung. People are wary of something/someone they don't fully understand. Maybe tonight's episode would shed more light to these characters, particularly the Jung-Inho relationship.
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 4:57 AM
@KK don't worry I think there are still folks here watching the same drama - the one where everyone is flawed, everyone makes mistakes, and everyone is at fault for everything that happens to them. Just that, I am honestly a little fed up with the narrative execution which I find is detracting from the sensitivity and nuances of the interactions between characters.
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40 How to love
February 15, 2016 at 9:40 PM
The moment I knew Jung-seol ship has sunk: When seol narrated in the car with jung about the list of reasons why she can't break up with him. I am firmly on In-Ho's ship but I have to admit Jung's feelings for her ,whatever their origin ,are have turned genuine and consuming. That being said ,I still don't understand why he is standing around like a creep when his girlfriend is being attacked left to right. His behind the scences machinations are just as creepier and probably why this girls cant open up with him at all. Bora acts more like her boyfriend than Jung in her public defense of Seol. tsk tsk. Poor In-Ho he wont get the girl but I am so glad he has so much screen time. adorbs!
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 10:36 AM
I do not understand what Jung can do in this situation. He can't beat Younggon up without causing a HUGE scandal and mess. Younggon also appears to have money and backing (and can sue etc) which the panty thief, for example, lacked. Although YG is in the wrong, Seol's name will be mud by the time that is through.
Appearances are seriously important in South Korea. My half brother briefly dated an actress, for Pete's sake, and that was somehow a huge scandal because of who our father is. I don't go out there anymore because I'm sick of playing charming and well brought up. :p
He wants Seol to talk to him about it but she holds back. Whether it is because she fears his sense of vengeance or if it is her own independent way of wanting to take care of it herself is unclear (which is not wrong, btw). So I think he waits and is probably getting really frustrated. He doesn't have the time to escort her and protect her in person.
I may not agree with his methods but I do not understand what ppl want of him. To talk to her? But she also is not talking to him about it. "Standing around like a creep" seems really harsh...but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Ideally, they should talk about it and agree on a plan of action but we know that is a problem with them :/
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41 kimchikay
February 15, 2016 at 9:43 PM
So glad this drama is back!!!!!!
But so annoyed Jung barely has any screen time...I mean, I echo the concerns of some other viewers that In-Ho...as second lead...does not require as much screen time as our male lead who I feel like needs MORE story and less just appearing when Soel needs him
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42 Lilium
February 15, 2016 at 9:55 PM
The love triangle is annoying me too. It's gradually taking the shine of this show for me.
Why bring in an "interloper" when you barely have time to develop the existing romance? The shows spends a great of time propping up In-ho as a viable alternative so that audiences can buy into the triangle but it seems to be damaging the credibility of what I thought was the "main" romance. It's making Seol look wishy washy and In-ho the rather inconsiderate third wheel.
So it's okay for Seol to be insecure about In-ha but not okay for Jung to be uneasy about her getting close to In-ho? Aren't they in an exclusive relationship? I don't think it's jealousy by the way, it feels like something a lot deeper, a lot more visceral. The heavy breathing, the fear... it felt more like an anxiety attack.
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43 Lin
February 15, 2016 at 10:00 PM
Real talk. We see lots of things that Jung does not and the whole thing with Inho and his dad goes back waaaay before high school. The two grew up together remember. Jung's father has always found him strange and just never showed him half the love or concern he showed towards the Baek twins. The whole everyone is staring at me scene. It's deeper than everyone just staring at him. I don't even think half those people were looking at Jung. That was Jung's paranoia and goes back to the comment of "I don't know who you have watching me." Did we miss that Jung's father has hand people get close to Jung and watch him so that his moves and actions can be reported back to the dad?
Also if I was in Jung's shoes and my girlfriend was hanging out with some guy she just got to know like two seconds ago. I guy I do not get a long with and have a pretty bad history with and see them chummy like Inho and Seol are...we are going to have to talk. This Inho/Seol thing has been bothering Jung for a while, but for the sake of his relationship and fear of loosing Seol, Jung has kept silent on it. Most times he meets Inho he tries to be civil (and Inho is the one who gets offended calls him fake and starts the back and forth) and not cause any trouble. He was even the one to calm Seol down and tell her to let them be when she was getting out of sorts at Joon for trying and giving him a job. Jung has been trying to be a good boyfriend when it comes to this and I honestly feel Seol has been unfair on this matter. Girl freaks out over a picture. Imagine how Jung must feel to see it see it multiple times. I was happy when he walked away (though also mad cause I wanted him to stay and for the to TALK) because if the situation were reversed Seol would feel the same and be just as hurt.
This has nothing to do with his "dark side" and it's just. If Seol would share things with him, if she would decide if she is going or staying...communication from both...they could have what they started a while back. I know a lot of people lay blame on Jung, but I see Seol messing up so bad too and not getting anything for it. It's like yes he could have asked about Younggon but she could have told him too. So many missteps that they are both making. I wish half the stuff she thought in her head, she would say out loud.
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ZENITH
February 15, 2016 at 11:06 PM
I'm screaming too... why is only jung faults are pointed out... all of them has fair share...
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 3:05 AM
Haha, same! I'm sorry but I was also happy that Jung finally had it watching Seol and In ho and just excused himself (still the respectful classy Jung lol). I know Jung has been trying to assess his actions but it's also high time that Seol does as well. Glad that In Ha also gave her a push, saying she's wishy-washy (not exactly her words lol).
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44 JISG
February 15, 2016 at 10:09 PM
Thank god, I am not the only one noticing the massive amount of scene time for In Ho in the last TWO episodes.
Is the director Jing's dad???? lol
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hanie
February 15, 2016 at 11:09 PM
Ohh... now we talking.
No wonder he is all hell bent making Jung looks bad~
lmao
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JIS
February 16, 2016 at 9:45 AM
yes! and changing Jung's scenes into In Ho's LOL
(cuts to him crossing out Jung's name in the original script and replacing it with In Ho's lol)
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lolalarue
February 15, 2016 at 11:42 PM
Yeah, and as adorable as In Ho is pushing a romance that has no legs (because Seol is not into it) is really frustrating. Particularly when Seol/Jung relationship needs time to develop and mature.
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Lin
February 16, 2016 at 12:06 AM
This had me LOL for real in real life. hahahahahahahahahahahaha...Jung's appa...
I honestly don't mind what is happening now so long as I get a good resolution to it all. I feel they are dragging things because once Seol and Jung have the talk and we see they can communicate. They can't do this whole back and forth thing because "why aren't the two people we know can communicate NOT communicate" so yeah for the sake of this "love triangle" they dragging it out.
I just wish the audience would be more fair in coming down on other characters as much as they come down on Jung. I also wish Jung or Seol would either go all in with one another. Or realize it's best to let each other go..
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JarOfBEES
February 16, 2016 at 12:53 AM
I do and don't agree, once Jung and Seol start communicating any chance for In Ho is gone but given their personalities and history YJ/HS learning to communicate is going to be a shaky process.
But it's one I'd much rather watch than a predictable kdrama love triangle.
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45 Kimmy
February 15, 2016 at 10:10 PM
Really happy with this episode all character growing nice, best episode so far. I am already ship with In Ho, and ready to cry for him. I hate to admit that Yoo Jung looked awesome in this episode.
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46 panshel
February 15, 2016 at 10:13 PM
Despite the fact that In Ho is my favorite character, I am perturbed that this was the second straight In Ho-centric episode with only five episodes left. I had expected more Jung today. Normally, I would be squeeing over their family dinner with "In Ho oppa" and their three-way call with his future dongsaeng-in-law, but Seol just does not see him in that way.
Seol attempting to put on a happy face on the phone with Bora while her voice was cracking made me tear up. I know how hard it is to always pretend to be strong. But like magic, the one person she wanted to see at the time she wanted to see him the most appeared in front of her eyes. "Whom do I depend on?" Your boyfriend, that's whom. This may be incomparable as Cheese was romantic, but Secret Garden has ruined the trap-a-girl-in-bed for me.
Love, LOVE Eun Taek and Bora's nonstop thwarting of Young Gon. "Go away, pigeons!" Even cuter is Eun Taek always grabbing Seol's purse for her. A big thanks for the recap, girlfriday!
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Andrea
February 15, 2016 at 10:31 PM
"This may be incomparable as Cheese was romantic, but Secret Garden has ruined the trap-a-girl-in-bed for me."
Oh my gosh, I kept flashing back to that horrifying scene in Secret Garden too! It really cast a pall over that scene for me, which was a shame, as it was essentially a very sweet scene.
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snailshell
February 16, 2016 at 5:35 AM
I thought I was the only one! In the same way, this scene actually felt sweet to me, but noticing how much it resembled that awful one from Secret Garden, I kept wondering if I was having an inappropriate response.
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panshel
February 16, 2016 at 7:15 AM
The worst part was like Gil Ra Im, Seol had struggled to escape Sunbae's embrace only to be overpowered by him. She asked him to wait several times. Obviously, we know Seol is naturally shy and Jung, in no way, assumed she was playing hard to get nor was trying to take advantage of her, but this would have been an entirely different situation if different people were involved.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 10:42 AM
Did you guys see the bts on that scene? Haha. ? I was laughing my butt off.
lindl
February 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM
Petra, where do you find BTS? I've tried but I can't find any.
47 liz
February 15, 2016 at 10:26 PM
I know people will say, "stop talking about the webtoon"
I hope I'm not being annoying. All I want is to show some things they changed or cut from the webtoon, and answering some things the drama doesn't show.
I hope it's okay, since I'm not posting spoilers, all I post are scenes the drama already showed, even flashbacks the drama didn't show yet I don't post.
In the scene Seol runs away, and meets jung, they talk and she shares about her past.
(Like I said comment above)
But I noticed another great scene they cut this episode between Jung and Seol:
While she talks about the fight she had with her dad, and Jung says they might be worried, Seol says nobody cares about her, and Jung tells her not to say such thing - he says he is besides her and tells Seol she is the most person for him.... such great scene, they didn't show *cries*
Here:
http://oi68.tinypic.com/29x6fjs.jpg
http://oi67.tinypic.com/rk3qew.jpg
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acdipopszero
February 15, 2016 at 10:36 PM
*cries with you*
Thanks for sharing!
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Sera The Ms Temper
February 15, 2016 at 10:42 PM
cries with you
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bips99
February 15, 2016 at 10:53 PM
Yes the writer/ director decides to cut out all meaningful scenes b/w the leads so everyone can jump on team inho... This could have been such a beautiful scene ...
but there were more important issues to be shown - like inho and seol travelling together and the oppa nonsense ... priorities people !!
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 3:08 AM
One of my fave scenes from the webtoon :'(
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48 Rloxi
February 15, 2016 at 10:33 PM
There are so many Jung defenders here today, yikes.
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Alice
February 15, 2016 at 10:46 PM
Yep. Its like the soompi forums peeps descended here today. And they wonder why no one on the other ship posts their thoughts in that forum. Its funny how they say “Here’s an olive branch, please voice your thoughts, we love to hear diverse opinions” then when someone does posts... all hell breaks lose. I’m not sure if its rabid fans from the comic, or Park Haejin fans in general but its kinda turning me off all forums related to the show and I definitely will not watch any Park haejin productions from henceforth. I only came in here to read the recap since I saw the unsubbed version.
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hanie
February 15, 2016 at 11:32 PM
just wow~
what gives?
Baek Inho also have a lot of defenders and the way I look at it everyone still being respectful to others' opinions. Just look it up at other episodes thread.
Maybe next time just dont scroll down and stop at the recap?
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anonon
February 16, 2016 at 8:28 AM
No, pretty sure most of the pseudonyms defending Jung have been commenting since the first 4 episodes. There's no "brigading" here. Most people just like Jung better and ship him with Seol more; as people do with male leads.
I think the reaction to In-ho shippers isn't just plain shipper rabidness, but also because more than a few In-ho shippers like to paint Jung as an abusive boyfriend type, if not outright evil or sociopathic, and Jung shippers as naive young girls (like someone does right below) which riles Jung fans and naturally makes them defensive.
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 8:20 PM
yes, fans of one ship taking the moral high ground and making judgmental comments about fans of the other (e.g. comment 48).....it doesn't take Einstein to realise people are going to disagree with that.
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JIS
February 16, 2016 at 9:53 AM
wow so many things i disagree with starting with what does Park Hae Jin's future projects have anything to do with a couple of people defending his character in this one....?? he didn't pay us to respond to his portrayal....(although i wish he would lol)
i hope you're mature enough to know that by throwing out "rabid fans" you're pretty much guaranteed to get people's defences up, right? i have never heard of Park Hae Jin nor this webtoon before and pretty much have been "defending" him since Day 1 BECAUSE of all of the what i thought to be one-side view on his characters by the overwhelming lovers of In Ho's cuteness and whitewashing on this board.
also, throwing another forum under the bus as the subpar standard to this supposedly better one is kinda insulting. it's the internet. it's very hard to say whether or not a bunch of random people are better than another bunch of random people lol.
so no to everything you said.
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Dani
February 16, 2016 at 11:33 AM
I know what you did there @Alice. Park Hae Jin is known to take his anti fan doing volunteer work with him. Are you applying for this year's volunteer works? Smart girl!
OK, joke aside, your comment is not the only one saying that they just came her for the recap, did not bother to watch the drama, and get upset because of the recaps and the comments.
While the rest of us commenting here, have one thing in common, we watch and care for the characters in the drama. Not the actor that plays it, way to go for going over board by hating the actor as well
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 8:16 PM
really? Most of the people commenting on the Cheese recaps have been around since the beginning or at least the early episodes, and several are longtime dramabeans regulars (I recognise usernames)
It's uncalled for to drag another forum's community in these comments just because you don't like or agree with what people are saying here and think they must be the same as THOSE people.
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 8:31 PM
also, the Park Hae-jin part makes no sense because never, at any point in the two years in which db has recapped productions he's been in has he actually inspired the kind of rabid and annoying fandom that certain other Hallyu stars do. He even played second lead in a production and I didn't see any fans getting out of line or even shipping much, there.
But hey, if taking things out on the actor/his fans makes you feel less frustrated about the fact that his character has fans, you do you.
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citter
February 15, 2016 at 10:46 PM
one of the reasons why i cant ever fully like jung aside from his innate creepiness. his fans. it's like they have blinders on and jung is this perfect misunderstood human being who deserves to be loved, defended, and protected and anyone who thinks otherwise has something wrong with them.
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Mandy Lieu
February 15, 2016 at 10:57 PM
Yep. You know what is the one flaw that gets 99% of young girls into trouble? Its Florence Nightingale syndrome. Honestly I believe every woman will have that with some guy at some point of their lives until they grow up and learn the painful consequences that the guy will not change for anybody until he finds God or timing/situation came that causes him to change. Why should Seol fix him. Its not her job. Love is not love when its so difficult because the No. 1 factor in good relationships is compromise. If he doesn’t learn how to do it, its not her job to change herself into becoming his perfect woman. In fact them getting together in the first place was all kinds of weird. So you ask yourself? Theres no trust obviously, no good communication btw them. Then what is the basis of their relationship? On what foundation.
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 5:01 AM
...I...don't think it's fixing...but I do think they could have helped each other become better people because they understand each other and connect with each other on a certain level.
And I disagree that love is not love when it is so difficult. Love can sometimes be extra difficult because it's not like you can or want to walk away - sometimes it's about being there for that other person. And sometimes it's about tough love too.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 3:11 AM
Seriously? What? Hold on there.
I see Jung supporters trying to be objective.
A lot of us state he is not just some poor misunderstood guy who needs saving. But he's different and don't just write him off for that alone. That's what I see is being said.
It's in reaction to all the "he's a psychopath, he's creepy, he's vindictive, etc etc comments.
If anyone needs saving at this point, it's me and my blood pressure.
He may be a really bad person and he may not be. We really don't know enough yet.
And since a big premise of the show seems to be that ppl make snap judgments and leap too conclusions far too often, it seems logical to wait and see.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 3:13 AM
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sweetsour
February 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM
Quote: "If anyone needs saving at this point, it’s me and my blood pressure."
lol, okay this line really made me laugh :D
Anyways I want to say, to those who argue that Jung is bad news, that this is fiction, and I like that Jung is different from the typical male leads in dramas. Others tend to be tough/rude jerks on the outside, but big softies on the inside (Inho comes to mind, he is more similar to the typical male lead).
Jung on the other hand is a very unique character, in that he is genuinely a grey character, and while he maintains a friendly facade on the outside, there is a dark/scary side to him. So Jung makes for a more interesting character, and it makes the Jung/Seol couple more interesting from a story perspective (you know good stories are interesting and engrossing). I want to see them work out.
Inho on the other hand, I feel that they are playing up his character in the drama, while downplaying his flaws from the webtoon, for no good reason. I like him as a character, but I feel like he is being given too many scenes, when we're running out of time to explore the interesting/unique Jung/Seol story.
JIS
February 16, 2016 at 9:56 AM
and i am pretty sure Jung's fans feel the exact same about In Ho's fans. see how different perspectives and opinions work? lol
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lindl
February 15, 2016 at 10:53 PM
Seriously? I've been reading the comments since Episode 1, and Jung and Inho fans have always been around in equal measure. And Jung is the series lead. Is it so surprising that people root for him? I'm not even rooting for him on that basis. I happen to think he's an interesting character. Are you seriously making moral judgments about people for enjoying a character?
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KK
February 15, 2016 at 11:55 PM
I get really grossed out by morality comments like this and the ones agreeing, because it's fiction. Shaming people over fiction is...no. And considering how many comments have written out Jung from the get-go and painted In Ho as the flaw-free precious golden boy...yeah imma defend Jung. He's a fictional character, I can defend him all I want.
I'd run from Jung AND In Ho irl, both are man-children who need counseling and to live far away from each other. Why shouldn't people defend Jung? Give me reasons why Jung SHOULDN'T be defended, specifically in this episode. Has he abused Seol? Bossed her around? He's not even been possessive like others claim lol. He doesn't try to control Seol's every movement. He never isolates her from friends as abusers do, and goes out of his way to be considerate to her family AND friends. So yeah, I'll defend him where he needs defending. He has his fair share of very concerning flaws, but people are REACHING for what I'm assuming is very biased and personal reasons imo.
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Rloxi
February 16, 2016 at 12:15 AM
How has the manipulation techniques he's used to "help" her not come across as controlling and overly possessive.
Using blackmailing so that someone you barely know and previously teased can attend school and "get to know you" is creepy guys.
Blackmailing someone so your gf can get a job is evasive and controlling.
His involvement in enabling Young Gon's stalking (you can argue that In Ha sent the worst of the texts but Jung was still involved and acted along with it) is just bad and he lied about.
These are not healthy behaviors!!!!
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KK
February 16, 2016 at 12:50 AM
Okay, but did I say those things were morally right or healthy behavior? I said he wasn't abusive or possessive, and imo, he isn't. I don't think a lot of the relationships in this show are healthy. I don't think Seol and In Ho's friendship is balanced, I can't stand how Bo Ra shuts down Eun Taek's feelings and wants him to tag along so she won't be alone but will be jealous the second he finds another girl, Seol's parents tear each other down and involved their children...this drama presents a variation of very unhealthy and very unbalanced relationships in different forms imo.
Jung has done terrible things, sure, and he's going to continue to manipulate and a lot comes from the environment he was raised in...but acting like he's forcing Seol to do anything in this relationship thus far and being abusive is nonsense. Seol is also not communicating when he asks questions, so I see even now why he's manipulating, even if it isn't morally right. And he tells her nothing, which causes more issues, even tho unlike her, when asked directly he USUALLY owns up. I can see this changing tho.
If Seol doesn't want him, she can tell him to leave her alone and I truly believe he would. The drama is dragging this out, but if these two actually got everything out in the open and communicated regularly, they'd either be able to work this out or call it quits successfully.
I'm happy Jung is paying for the consequences of all those above actions, but it's not going to instantly make him change. That'd be unrealistic imo. But you bet I'm gonna sympathize with Jung this episode after that flashback.
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aqua#JCW
February 16, 2016 at 7:50 AM
So true KK.... and also everyone keeps talking about is Jung right for Seol and what not.. but today I kind of got angry with Seol... She was one true hypocrite this episode. She expects Jung to say speak up, but never does it herself. She doesn't even try to understand him.. She keeps on thinking about not understanding him, but does she put some effort into that...NOT AT ALL... Its high time we asked is Seol the right one for Jung.
fay17
February 16, 2016 at 1:55 AM
Exactly Rloxi! Also after Sul got to know that Jung made the scholarship happen for her,she did not like the fact at all.
Also yeah he made young gon go after her last year at college,when she was not in his good book.It;s like suddenly he took interest with her,and now he's willing to do things for her,which he did not earlier.I also found it puzzling that he has been bad with the people who he does not have to deal with.Like yoon seop or nam joo yeon,he used nam joo yoeon,or stayed with her as long as he can.I mean yeah he was okay with her ,as long as she did not create any problem for her,but he still knew his ways of acting around right? So why cut her off only after she misbehaved with Sul,also she had been mean to Sul earlier too,when Jung had dislikes for Sul,but then Jung never protested,why?
What I want to say this,Jung know people are bad,shallow or do wrong things.But he's not the ideal man who'd try to change society for good or anything.He allows them to do as they want,as long as they're not stepping on his foot.So,in that respect, I won't say he's the golden boy here.He would also use others (who owed him in the past), to achieve his means if it's needed,and it's totally acceptable for him,but which is not the case for Sul.For Sul her respect and pride are more important,and she does not want to gain anything through unfair means...
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fay17
February 16, 2016 at 1:56 AM
** mean yeah he was okay with her ,as long as she did not create any problem for him**
JIS
February 16, 2016 at 10:02 AM
wait, Jung made Young Gon Go left college?? i must have missed that massive storyline because i am pretty sure that Little Miss Single Asian Female stalker was embarrassed out of school.
i'll reply to the rest of your critique of Jung with a question, is Jung Superman? why would he care if other people are generally assholes unless they start hurting people in his life? and we're not talking about witnessing a murder here. we're talking about him basically understanding people's (bad) true intents and letting them go...unless those actions hurt his girlfriend. i think that's called "minding my own business" lol
sweetsour
February 16, 2016 at 3:34 PM
JIS, remember when in the flashback about Young Gon, Seol went to confront Jung about it, and ask him if he was really the one who told Young Gon that she liked him. Sang Chul was sitting next to Jung on the bench, in that flashback. Seol then continues to narrate that after that, Young Gon disappeared, which only means that Jung was responsible for that. What other explanation would there be?
I also think you're mixing up between "Young Gon" the demented Seol stalker, and "Min Soo" who was as you said embarrassed out of school after her confrontation with Seol.
leean
February 17, 2016 at 12:02 PM
Lmao, you need to get out more. It's either you live in a cave or need to meet more people who aren't from K-Dramas.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 3:01 AM
Actually, I think that's because the Inho ship posted first or used negative terminolgy and incensed the Jung side.
And the recap itself can be read as a bit pro-Inho.
Imo, the fact that ppl are even choosing sides in such a volatile manner shows that the drama is manipulating us in ways we do not like.
The majority of an audience will accept a change if its properly foreshadowed and explained. If not, they feel manipulated and betrayed. Writing fiction class.
I think in this case, they are either waiting to tell the whole story or changing ship too suddenly. It's weird but the justly is still out.
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rainerust
February 16, 2016 at 5:04 AM
I think tonight's episode will be critical.
...at this point I am no longer on any ships. I just want people to grow up and be happy. UGH.
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 3:14 AM
But weren't there alot of Jung haters since the first episode? People are just discussing their opinions here, based on how they preceive the drama. As long as they are respectfully talking and not making things personal, let them post.
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49 hongseol
February 15, 2016 at 10:34 PM
it's unfair to compare what seol felt between jung and inha to how jung reacted with seol and inho. for seol, jung has been really suspicious from the start. however, she ignored her instincts and still went out with him. after she found out all the "creepy" things he did (with inho's hand, with fake seol, with young gun when he still disliked her so on and so forth), the thing with inha was just what broke the camel's back. but still she told herself to just ignore it. to trust him.
with jung, he just basically tells her to not go near inho, no explanations whatsoever. then when he sees that seol and inho being close, he shuts her off. how is that fair to her.
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cacia
February 15, 2016 at 10:40 PM
Thank you!
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Nat
February 15, 2016 at 10:53 PM
I just want to clarify that we do not yet know what exactly happened with In Ho's hand. All we have on that is In Ho's word. And Jung was worried that In Ho would speak bad about him to Seol, and by telling her that Jung did that to his hand he wasn't exactly being honest, because that's obviously not the whole story.
And I have to disagree with you on the comparisons being unfair. They are essentially feeling the same emotions - insecurity in their relationship because of the other's relationship with someone else. And honestly, aside from both Jung and In Ho telling Seol that there's nothing with In Ha, Jung does not spend any significant time with In Ha like Seol does with In Ho.
Seol kind of chooses not to share her insecurities about In Ha too, beyond that drunk episode.
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lindl
February 15, 2016 at 11:20 PM
I seem to recall that Jung has been pretty clear: Inho blames him for his hand, and that's why there's bad blood between them. It's not as though Seol, at this late date, still has no clue what kind of stuff has gone down between the two boys.
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Jeanie
February 16, 2016 at 3:19 AM
@Nat and lindl, thank you. same sentiments. Clearly, based on the little that we've seen, something's off with In Ho's statement regarding his hand. But hey, since In Ho was the first to say it, it holds, right? I am getting Wickham (Pride an Prejudice) vibes from this. But I'd gladly be proven wrong. I still hold out hope that things can be mended between Jung-Inho.
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fay17
February 15, 2016 at 11:48 PM
@hongseol,I think the fortuneteller's prediction is coming true.Sul is having a bad year,which will stretch to two years at max,and then Sul would get out of Jung's influence,and start to see things differently.That small prologue had not been there for nothing.
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Petra
February 16, 2016 at 3:28 AM
Sigh. He apologizes and tells her why later.
Ppl have been bringing up the Inho/Seol thing repeatedly and pushing his buttons about it too. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten angry before this.
If Seol doesn't trust him, she needs to say so and end it. Or they really need to clear the air.
And no, I don't think she will be in danger as some seem to think. Do we have any evidence that there is a trail of bodies of his dead ex-girlfriends? We do not.
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hanie
February 16, 2016 at 6:05 AM
As much as I on team #jungseol I agree with you regarding trust. Seol should end it if she cant trust him. Stop watching him supspiciously and try give him benefit of the doubt for once. Even Baek Inha, our resident crazy queen said as much. I mean if Baek Inha makes more sense than you......
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bips99
February 16, 2016 at 5:28 AM
There is something i am curious about - Everyone here says jung constantly told seol not to meet inho therefore he is controlling, possessive etc etc .........
When did he ? I remember just one time in the beginning of their relationship. And before bora's hospital scene, seol blasted him for it.
Since then he has not ever said to seol - don;t meet him, don't go out with him, do this, don't do that ... nothing ... Unlike inho who badmouths jung pretty regularly, jung doesn't talk about inho at all ....
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JIS
February 16, 2016 at 10:05 AM
people also say Jung should be locked up for his "mental issues" so i wouldn't worry about it too much lol
but agreed, he said it once and pretty much left her alone to deal with it.
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lolalarue
February 16, 2016 at 2:16 PM
Yeah, that was in the rain right? And she comes back out to ask him why (assertiveness!) and then Bo Ra's Dad is sick and Jung takes her to the hospital and takes care of her. They don't bring it up again.
It's just Seol keeping interactions with In Ho to herself from there on. It's not that I blame her exactly, she's just worried about causing an argument. Later when Jung finds out she's seeing more of In Ho he starts to ask her open ended questions wanting her to confide in him and she avoids it (example: when she's working with TA Heo and Jung finds out that In Ho is working at the Academy).
Jung also fails to communicate because he doesn't want to fight. Both of them want to ignore their issues in order to get along. Jung wants to wipe the slate clean and Seol wants to go along with it but she can't quite put her past doubts to rest (I don't blame her). I think they both need to just lay it all out. Have an argument you two! You'll feel better.
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pogo
February 16, 2016 at 10:36 PM
Yeah, they do need to clear the air, those two.
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50 bips99
February 15, 2016 at 10:40 PM
Dear Writer
Inho is cute. We GET IT. But Can you stop being so freaking biased!
Can you pls give more screen time to Jung........ You know the ‘lead’ of the show ... We are tired of this non existent love triangle shit.
Regards
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Sera The Ms Temper
February 15, 2016 at 10:46 PM
Agree.
Is the writer a big fan of In Ho in the webtoon or Seo Kang Joon himself?
I remembered earlier someone commented that if it is a possibility that the writer will change the male lead from Jeong to Inho. Now i am afraid it will happen.
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bips99
February 15, 2016 at 10:54 PM
... I finally gave in and read the webtoon in the past 2 weeks ... There is so much of jung that needs to be told but we are instead focussing on the lurrve triangle and the flower boy ....
inho with seol, inho with piano, inho with seol's family .... inho inho inho ........ I'm sick of him
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Sera The Ms Temper
February 15, 2016 at 11:27 PM
:(
I still refuse to read the webtoon, but reading comments here looks like Jeong's character is not being given so much development.
Yeah I am sick whenever scenes In Ho appeared. As for Jeong -Seol relationship not so much development. grr.
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Gummaypdx
February 15, 2016 at 11:46 PM
Well said! !!! Need more Jung!!!
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Gummaypdx
February 15, 2016 at 11:47 PM
I know right! Especially Jung was so cute and smiley in the beginning.
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bips99
February 16, 2016 at 12:34 AM
If Somebody could just explain WHY, WHY jung is given such less screen time
... even if they are going to end it with seol-inho
... even if they end with saying jung is deranged
its not about shipping. WHY WHY WHY do we get so much of inho and so less of jung ?
- As per the webtoon jung is the main character
- Jung is what drew viewers in
- he is the most complex and compelling character
- Acting wise PHJ trumps SKJ by miles
- Popularity wise too i think PHJ has an edge
So what is the reason to give him such less time with only 5 episodes to go ?
Why is the best part of webtoon being slashed for standard romcom triangle and scenes ?
Someone pls explain
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Mad.Hattress
February 16, 2016 at 6:32 PM
Ditto
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Dani
February 16, 2016 at 6:01 AM
dear bips99, there are some of us here, with same mindset, can we send a complain email to the writer directly? :D
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More_Jung
February 16, 2016 at 6:14 PM
Cannot agree more!!!!!!!!
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