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(Huh? OT is still empty)

Song Jae Rim, marry me.

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hehehehehe I can just imagine an autumn wedding next year. or I guess we can move it up to spring. the cherry blossoms are quite lovely in Korea in the spring.

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Invite me. I'll bring Jin Dong.

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And you won't have to pay for fake guests, we'll all come :D

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Keke... we went to a local Korean restaurant, saw a 'picture' of Song Jae Rim on the wall, and talked about Mary. :)

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That's so cool! :D I wonder why they had that pic up? The owner is a fan?

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Hello Everyone and Happy Weekend!

What I'm Watching... sort of...
*** SPOILERS ***

Bubblegum- After all the lovely heart-to-heart and truthful conversations, I'm now afraid after Episode 8, we're going to get all kinds of secret-keeping between our OTP (which the other party knows anyway) and the idiocy of protecting people who don't need protecting. For a show called Bubblegum the subjects being dealt with are not at all bright and colourful like bubblegum. I'm still being puzzled somewhat by the title... but the real bubblegum appearance in Ep 8 gave me pause... surely that is not the reason for the title, is it? It isn't surely!!! Errr... cringe???

Other than that, this turned out to be a better character and relationship development story than expected and at this stage I can still recommend it. We'll see after another 2 episodes.

Oh My Venus - I had no chance to watch Episode 1 but I was able to jump into Episode 2 after reading something of the recap. So they've managed to engineer many occasions for our OTP to be together which makes their coming together more likely... which is nice. I rather wish that we just had the OTP story with the losing weight for health purposes or something simple and that we could jettison great-grandma, dad and 2nd leads. Surely by now there can be other ways to add conflict other than with difficult elders and bitchy 'frenemies'. The side character friends however are keepers... let's get them all together and have more ma'am or noona and dongsaeng friendships!

High-end Crush- *** SPOILERS definitely ***
Speaking of jettisoning everything, the 2nd of this 15-minute per episode web drama seems to be doing mainly that. I mean jettisoning story even ... just giving us mostly OTP moments. I had a hard time trying to read subs for Ep 1 (the not very good English was laid over the still visible Chinese subs and flashed by too quickly to read fully!) and decided to brave Ep 2 without subs. What I gathered from my limited understanding is that there was nothing added to the story and several tropes were contrived so that our OTP do nothing much else except argue, throw daggers with their eyes and have quite a lot of skinship. Let's see ... there was the incident of accidentally seeing nekkidness, many wrist grabs that resulted in guy getting knocked out, a chase scene and hug ... quite a bit to satisfy die-hard 'romance-trope' lovers and this is just Ep 2. One wonders what else they will pile on.

One thing I can say is that Jung Il Woo does look very good in this show! :D

What I'm watching only vaguely with lots of FFDing and without knowing why except I need little breaks... Village and Glamorous Temptation. The latter is true to it's melo-ness but still not so bad that I run screaming and abandon it. Poor, brave girl just keeps getting one obstacle, danger or unfairness after another thrown at her. The holding factor is finding out how...

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Continuation ... The holding factor is finding out how she or her 'friends' manage to help her get out of the rut yet again. The plus points... "Ahjumma" being her usual no-nonsense self and the daughter.

After all that, to wash away cynicism, I may try Reply 1988 for some heartwarming slice of 'family-and-friends' life. :)

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The guy who played Praying Mantis in Last is in Glamorous Temptation as the younger brother of the female lead. I was tempted to watch the show just for him. Is he doing anything interesting or is he just a background character?

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Aah... that young chap... unfortunately he's hardly appearing at all. (But take this with a pinch of salt because I admit I skip watch this show) He's studying to be a doctor I think and stays elsewhere most of the time. He just appeared for a family meal and was fed up with being nagged at. I didn't get any impression of him in this show.

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You may try the webdrama called “Noble, My Love”… It is a bit silly/not coherent sometimes (like what a perfect lovestory in a teenage girl's imagination could look like), but it is still a nice (and short) watch. The male lead is the one who plays SJS's fighter friend in “Oh My Venus”. And it's completely subbed already.

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if you want cute then "noble, my love" is right up your street. I watched it cause I liked sung hoon in "faith".

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Thanks folks for the web drama recommendation(s)! The fact that they are short is a great selling point and a bit of romance and some cute never hurt LOL!

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I just finished "the secret message". recommended.

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He was really cute in Glorious Day.

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I've not heard of that one, I'll try to look it up. Thanks!

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Your description of that web drama has me cracking up - most web dramas I've seen tend to be very short on plot, and some are literally just two scenes long before they cut to the 'cliffhanger', ha.

The only one I've seen which actually tried to string each episode into a coherent narrative, was Twenty Years Old (starring Beast's Lee Ki-kwang and newbie actress Lee Da-in). Which was super fluffy but also super cute, and was basically a self-insert fanfiction come to life.

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LOL! I just hoped that with 15 minutes, more could be shown besides accidentally seeing and touching, you know? :D The only other web drama I watched a bit of was Love Cells... it did have a bit more plot and things going on I felt. Still, it's only the 2nd episode and I really could do with good subs. Maybe I lost lots of good stuff in the dialogue... of sorts... when they weren't fighting or giving each other the evil eye. LOL!

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I saw that web drama too...and I agree, it is every bit a self-insert fanfiction. What fangirl hasn't dreamed of being her idol's first love?

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I’ve to admit I can be unreasonably petty-minded when watching drama. My disdain for characters who committed spiteful acts against my drama hero/heroine can easily be blown out of proportion. While watching Baker King Kim Tak Gu, I harboured a strong resentment against Ma Jun (Joo Won) due to the pain he inflicted upon innocent and trusting TG (Yoon Shi-Yoon) time and again. He was wilfully scornful and jealous of his half-brother, callously snatched away his first love, and caused him to be poisoned. Obviously, I must have liked YSY lots to have developed such a strong resentment against JW. I was also unimpressed that JW out-performed YSY. YSY probably made the wrong choice going down the flower boy path, while JW’s path to stardom has been comparatively smooth.

So I boycotted JW’s drama, with the only exception of Good Doctor. He was actually very likable in it and just when I thought my resentment against him was long overdue, Yong Pal started screening halfway through almighty oppa's SWWTN and stole all the limelight away. Ouch! How dare he!! Instantly, the impetuous teenager in me switched into automatic defence mode and started to badmouth JW like the way Shi-Won always did so vehemently in defence of her Tony oppa in Reply 1997.

Forget about Yong Pal, forget about Gaksital too, but I just could not strike Cantabile Tomorrow off my drama-to-watch list. It is a remake of jdrama Nodame Cantabile which I enjoyed tremendously. My curiosity drove me to watch CT and it was fun to nitpick JW as he would have to be damn good to surpass Tamaki Hiroshi’s portrayal of Shinichi in NC.

For a start, Shim Eun-kyung does not fit my expectation of Nae-Il, a quirkily cute and gifted pianist in the making. Ueno Juri is truly kawaii, so she was able to bring out Nodame’s character quite naturally in NC. SEK is pretty no doubt, but she is not considered that cute. I find her quite pathetic at times, she did put in very good effort into the acting but tried way to hard just to appear pleasingly cute. Off-hand, I could not think of any k-actress which could do a better job here, perhaps someone like Audrey Tautou of Amelie would fit the bill. CT did a great job in filming aesthetics and background music with a good repertoire of orchestral pieces being depicted. Considering that NC sparked an unprecedented interest in classical music in Japan, I think CT did earnestly attempt to do likewise to introduce classical music to its viewers and is definitely a much better production than Beethoven Virus. Typical of KBS drama, it is more conservative, at least CT’s version of Maestro Milch appeared more decent than the comically sleazy NC version.

The no nonsense and serious Cha Yoo Jin required JW to carry a snooty look at times. Needless to say, he could deliver effortlessly as he already mastered that atrociously arrogant demeanour in BKKTG. To be fair, he did well in bringing out the mellow side of the character kept hidden under the disguise of...

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nonchalance. I loved the scene in ep11 in which he consoled a nervy NI who freaked out before appearing on stage for her duet rehearsal. He was able to convey in a subtle manner the enormous depth of loving concern and patient understanding through a nod of his head, raising his eyebrows with a smile on his lips and the gentle look in his eyes. Lucky NI! How every girl must be yearning for such a brotherly ‘orabang’! Probably due to his musical acting, JW has great sense of music tempo which enabled him to deliver a convincing portrayal of an orchestra conductor. Much as I dislike him, I was attracted to his conducting. His tall built cladded in tuxedo commanded an amazingly majestic presence on stage in front of the orchestra when his hands swayed and swung in confident strokes to the music of Rachmanioff piano concerto no. 2 (one of my classical favourites!). His facial expression was solemn but bursting with gusto, it was remarkably superb. Ok fine, he has my standing ovation for that. He also presented an elegantly suave composure when playing the piano quite resembling pianist Lang Lang. I think the haughty character of YJ suited JW very well. Though his scornful smirk and stern grimace still irked me at times, I find myself liking YJ despite of my predisposed bias against JW. Compared with Tamaki Hiroshi’s portrayal in NC, I’ve to admit albeit reluctantly that I prefer JW as he was able to morph the two extreme sides of the character together more seamlessly. TH was not as annoying when he acted strict, he was also more subdued when he was being gentle. So JW has won me over big time, his acting was really decently good, no wonder he is doing so well not only on the small screen but also delivering an instant box-office hit.

If you like rom-com, you will want to watch CT, it is hilarious and heart-warming. NI was comically clingy while YJ was too haughtily shy to openly display his affection, but I really like the platonic love between them. NI’s admiration for YJ motivated her to soar to greater heights in order to keep up with his footsteps. YJ was her whole universe, she took great pains to help him overcome his fear of flying so that he could pursue his studies overseas. And YJ had NI’s genuine interest at heart, though he greatly cherished her talents and eagerly wanted her to succeed, he was not pushy but patiently guiding her to uncover her own talents at her own pace. Also, the camaraderie between members of the school orchestra was heartening, it brought back memories of my own high school days playing in the concert band. Supporting characters like Park Bo-gum, Go Kyung-pyo, etc. were all endearing too, overall CT does have lots to offer.

I’m currently watching Oh My Venus, SMA’s chubby lawyer character is refreshing, but SJS as chaebol heir feels like a repeat of the Master’s Sun version, it is below my expectation for now, but still quite fun to watch.

Have a great weekend beanies! :) 

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Such a great review on Cantabile Tomorrow! I also prefer Joo Won's Yoo-jin over Tamaki Hiroshi's Chiaki :D

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I still haven't gotten around to watch the korean remake of Nodame. It's been on my list forever.

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Awww, such a nice short review on CT. I love it as well, for its light, pretty landscape view and the warm feeling I got while watching it. Watch the original after CT, and CT managed to stay in my heart. ^^

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Thanks elric, Manin & Gaeina for leaving your comment.

It is not easy to make an outstanding remake, apart from Boys Over Flowers which was considered a great success, recent kdrama remake like The Time We Are Not In Love and Fated To Love You are drawing flak. So when I unexpectedly uncover an awesomely good one, I feel so passionate about it that I had to respectfully do a decent write-up to give CT its due credit and to share with others.

Another thing worth mentioning is, I find the theme in recent k-drama strikingly disturbing in that high-powered adults are imposing their views on the younger generation to regard peers not as friends but competitors to be ruthlessly defeated in order to stand out and be successful. Sassy Go Go has this message amplified throughout and a similar reprimand from Yoo Jin’s successful pianist father also constantly haunted him in CT. This got me to reflect quite deeply on the aggressively competitive pressure everywhere, in school, at work, etc.

What constituted success and what is considered a great life? Nothing comes free, success has a big price tag too, it all depends on what we deemed important in life. I think many would agree that we can lead a carefree and happy life without being successful so long as we are contented with what we already have and not be envious of the have-not. For me, the simple pleasure of watching a great drama can leave me gleefully happy for days. Perhaps, it is by taking the time to pause and enjoy the simple things in life and being appreciative of family and friends around us that can truly make us happy.

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Happy OT! I just realized that I have been watching a lot of tw stuff haha. :)

My Old Classmate - A decent film with a cliche premise. That ending was great though. After the hour mark, things got better.

You Are The Apple Of My Eye - In the same vein as My Old Classmate but better. So much better. It's nothing new. But the old does hit you with more feels, eh? I loved both the romance and friendship. Kai ko was amazing as well as his chemistry with Michelle Chen and I love the gang. That ending rocks! I keep on rewatching it. "You don't expect returns from everything you do." Ugh. My heart is still crying for them. And it was a happy ending no matter what others may say. A really happy one(I swear, don't let my tears fool you T.T).

Cafe. Waiting. Love - I'm so glad I didn't run away after the first few minutes that had me going-wtf? Once, I accepted that this wasn't meant to be taken too seriously, it was fine. Still, it was weird, stranger than strange and silly(really silly) and, uh well, you get the point. Then it felt like Alice in Wonderland. The movie was fairly predictable but oh so cute(though the camerawork was dizzying and distracting in a lot of scenes). And to borrow our angel's words, "Sometimes it's very funny but when you look into it, it turns out to be very moving." And yay for Michelle Chen and 'Groin'(I still don't know his name) as cameos!

So Young - Not as good as I expected it to be.

I Am Sorry I Love You - Aww. It's ending tomorrow. It was pretty decent overall(ending might change my opinion). Pretty but doesn't pull my heartstrings. I mean my fave character, Zheng Nan, isn't even well-developed but my heart kinda hurts for her(having SLS for the second female lead). And If Jian Hao gets a HEA and Shu Hai doesn't, I will flip tables. Totally convinced that Shu shu and Pei pei are the main OTP of this show lol.

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You should watch the TW movie recently released: "Our time". It is so heartwarming yet will leave you tearing at some parts!

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Have you found it anywhere streaming, with English subs, perhaps? We've been waiting since August for this! Perhaps even longer :)

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In my opinion that's one hell of a horrible movie. Really overhyped. The only redeeming thing is the theme song. I'll strongly advise against watching it. And the fact that the female lead scored a nomination for best actress is an absolute travesty. I would've thought the Golden Horse awards is going to do better than that.

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I quite liked Cafe. Waiting. Love. too (though I too predicted at a certain point what was going on).

I have nothing good to say about So Young.

Need to watch You Are the Apple of My Eye!

If you want another Taiwanese film: When a Wolf Falls in Love with a Sheep (also with Kai). A rom-com. It's quirky (cute hand-drawn art inserted throughout the movie) and laugh-out-loud funny. I really enjoy that it's very focused on friendship, and you really feel that the two characters get each other.

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I know I'm super late to this OT thread, but YES! Second the motion for When A Wolf Falls in Love with a Sheep. So adorable, with quirky characters. And the film makes excellent use of stop motion!

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D-day Two more episodes left, really hope that Woo Jin can get back to the hospital as a doctor, but I think it is quite unlikely. Love the actor though, he is the best discovery I have gotten from watching this drama, haha..

The Merchant Gaekju This is getting exciting, I knew Bong Sam's sister wont die so easily! Love the torture scenes as well, exactly my cup of tea!

The village How many episodes left? Somehow it doesn't matter to me who is the murderer after all..

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prettysup ~

I'm enjoying The Merchant. Need to watch Ep 17. Folks are missing a good show if they aren't watching this.

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@John - Exactly! I rewatch each episode at least twice coz the actings, the emotions, everything is so good, something which I hardly did for other dramas.

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The cast (um...Jang Hyuk and everyone else) are the guests on Happy Together this week for some fun.

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I have to catch up on Merchant Gaekju. I keep wanting to. Might just marathon it this weekend.

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When almost all nominators boycotting Daejong/Grand Bell Award :D

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Surprised not to see more discussion on this here. How can an awards show not have a single nominee from the main categories turn up?! I wonder who DID turn up.

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Maybe because this is 'drama' beans :D

Best New Actor: Lee Min Ho (Gangnam 1970)

Popularity: Kim Soo Hyun and Gong Hyo Jin, how can this one even happened? Both KSH and GHJ have no movie this year, popular for what then? It's film award!

Best Actress: Jun Ji Hyun (Assassination) - boycotted

Best Actor: Hwang Jung Min (Ode to My Father) - boycotted

Best Film: Ode to My Father

Best Supporting Actor: Ol Dal Su

Best Screenplay: Ode to My Father

Best Cinematography: Ode to My Father

Best New Actress: You Young Lee (Late Spring)

Best Supporting Actress: Kim Hae Seok (Ode to My Father)

Best Costume Design: The Royal Tailor

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Do people type their comments up beforehand and then paste them here as soon as ths thread is up, after spamminf the F5 button?

That's the only conceivable way there's such long comments after hardly any time...

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LOL or they must be really fast typists

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Ha, I'm guilty of doing the cut & paste :)

When I feel strongly about sharing something, I start off by mentally jotting down points before putting the bits and pieces together coherently in writing. I am quite slow with my thought process (a sign that I'm growing old!), if I don't do it beforehand, I will never be able to express impromptu what I really want to say. I am very impressed by many of you beanies here who can come up with such amazing and witty comments on the fly. :)

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nothing wrong with that :) people look forward to OT all week, so why not, eh ^_^

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I don't see what's wrong with that, to be honest - I don't do it myself but it's not like there's an actual post to be read in the OT, unlike in recaps (where I would consider the cut-paste-without-reading routine disrespectful to the recapper who's slogged over writing up the entire thing).

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yeah I don't really do it either. Although i did sometimes type up the kdrama toddlers stories simply because I wrote them by hand and so needed to type them up anyway. (sadly my saved document disappeared, will have to go through past OT's to find them all again).

I still donn't really see why it should be wrong, as you say in the OT. Especially when wanting to get all your thoughts of different dramas in at once, typing it up before hand might be usefull for coherency. Also not to mention that with all the time difference fro people on this site, some might construct their initial posts in advance when they have time in between work or what not.

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I've thought the same thing. Some days I look and see that OT is up and then in 30 seconds, there are BOOKS posted on here. : )

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Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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especially, if you like to read. :)

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Watching:

K dramas: Dazzling Temptation, Six Flying Dragons, Master Of Trade, Village , Awl and Answer Me 1988.

C Drama: Love Me If You Dare.

Enjoying Kim Min-Jung in MOT, Shin Se-Kyung in 6FD, Shin Eun-Kyung in Village and Hyeri in AM1988

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I am also impressed by Kim Min Jung in Master of Trade (The Merchant). First time I have seen this actress in a drama.

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prettysup ~

I've seen her in two other dramas, Thorn Birds and Gap Dong.

I hated her character in Thorn Birds < (classic bitchy chaebol wench ), she was convincing.

Gap Dong was a disappointment, her acting was fine but the plot was a mess.

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@John
She was given an amazing role in New Heart and she was great in it. I adored her in NH. If you like medical dramas, you should give it a try. The whole cast is fantastic.

I hated her in TB as well but she was not a chaebol in that one, just a poor orphan (given away by her own mother) into a foster family. I found her character to be the most complicated one in TB.

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I hated her in TB too. She used to be an endearingly supportive friend of Jung-eun (Han Hye-jin) but everything changed when she was assaulted by a group of thugs which she blamed on Jun-eun. It is really unfortunate that sometimes unforeseen events in life could have such a destructive impact on a person’s character.

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For me, Awl is the best show I have watched in a long time. I'm a bit heartbroken that it didn't get a recap slot, as reading recaps after I've watched the episodes is one of my favourite things to do.

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I agree. Awl is one of the best kdramas we've watched in years. A difficult and not very "relatable" theme. Who wants to know what really goes on in the "blue collar" world, right? After all, it's not an office ...

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Thanks for recommending Awl. I've just started watching it and I like it so far! Really high quality drama indeed.

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You're watching Answer Me? Maybe i should watch it..since you are watching what I'm also watching (or wanting to watch). I've never watched the Answer Me series. The dramas just never called out to me. Plus i don't much like sequels/series.

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my favorite aspects to the answer me series are always the friendships. I miss a good friendship drama!

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I know what you mean. That was why i loved high school king so much. I was watching Sweet savage family and i thought, I love a good comedy about a family. Still not sure i'll try it though, since it looks as if the romances might be the focus.

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Ah i could never really get into high school king. donno why, just didn't grab me.

Sweet savage family sounded interesting from what little I have heard

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Me too! I found the friendship aspect especially strong in AM1994, even though most think the standout aspect of it is the husband wars.

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I think the husband wars generate more attention simply because it's more emotional on the viewers behalf. Unlike a lot of shows where you get second lead syndrome and know you will suffer, it's not the same in the answer me series. because the second lead might not be the second lead.

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Carole ~

The writers are earning their money here. There are comedic moments as to be expected of the Answer Me series, but the real pay off is when they take a closer look at the families of the characters.

Don't be put off by it being a series.

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I'll try to watch. Promise. Thanks.

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The answer me series is well worth watching (not that I have started watching 1988 yet). I loved 1994, - it's one of my all time drama highs so far. 1997.. was also quite good. I watched 1994 first, though, - that might be the reason why I thought it was better.

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will try. thanks.

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It is too early to tell, but so far I like this one the best among three answer me series. I love because they are not in the husband game yet, and story is more into family and friends (today is for Mothers - I teared up a little), and I love the songs.

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I still can't fully comprehend that Changmin and Siwon enlisted today. Sigh... All my fave 2nd gen idol oppas are serving in the military now - Jaejoong, Yunho, Yoochun, Donghae, Eunhyuk, and now Changmin and Siwon.

Then you know the massive 87er actor departure is coming soon. I don't know how I'll feel without Lee Minho, Joowon, Jang Geunsuk, Jung Ilwoo, TOP, etc. around dramaland. :(

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After I was heartbroken by Jaejoong and Yoochun's enlistments, I told myself not to fangirl over any more pre-military boys. So now I am happily fangirling over post-military men eg Jang Hyuk, Song Joong Ki, Lee Jin Wook without any worry of them enlisting haha...

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You've made a wise decision, which I'm unfortunately not. I'll be at lost and weep hard next year when the 87'ers march to the barracks.

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I don't know half those people, but I imagine it's probably devastating to young fans to see their oppas go to the military......but honestly, if years of watching actor oppas go to serve have taught me anything, it's that there will always be talented kids who will finally have the chance to show their stuff once the big stars clear out. And we will appreciate them for it!

I've never been super attached to the '87 lot myself, and Jung Il-woo and Jang Geun-seok in particular have been making such poor project choices in recent years that it almost feels like the military would be a welcome break from being subjected to another Night Watchman etc. But I will miss Joo-won, though I can imagine him gaining tremendously from the gravitas actors usually acquire after completing their service.

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Honestly, the one thing that's hitting me more with the enlistments is that the aforementioned fave guys (who I've spent most of the past decade being a fan of) are all just a year or two older than me, and them leaving is sending me alarms of being almost 30 and still ~unaccomplished. LOL

Then again, I am excited to see the projects Yoo Seungho and his peers like Lee Minho 93, Lee Hyunwoo, etc., will be given once the 86-88ers leave.

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Someone much wiser than me once told me that you shouldn't live your life on a time table - there's no real point to feelings of 'I must do X by Y age or else I'm a failure'.

And really, 30 is still young, despite what the media and society like to suggest, we won't be shrivelled old crones at that age. There's still plenty of time to achieve things!

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I'm not much into K-pop, but I saw tons of Changmin enlistment videos on instagram and... realised that the only thing I know about the guy is that the dramabeans-crowd believes him to be a bad actor.

It felt kind of cruel, really, so I decided to read up and listen up.

Very rarely do I think people look better after having their enlistment haircut, but mr Changmin definitely does.

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well, you can't blame us for believing Changmin was a godawfully bad actor based on his previous work......and people did change their minds after Scholar Who Walks the Night. (as in, he's not excellent but he at least became bearable - we give credit where it's due!)

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I've never really watched anything with him in it. Scholar who walks the night didn't really catch my interest, and I stopped both watching and reading recaps after the first few episodes. I always start watching dramas with Lee Jun Gi in them, but.. both Joseon Gunman and Scholar who walks the night just.. bored me to tears.

In no way do I think it's bad to point out bad actors, I just realised that the only thing I knew about the guy was that. That he's a bad actor. I didn't know he was a band member. Hadn't heard the bands songs. I have now, though. I did my research last night.

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I feel with you. Two years will hopefully go by quickly and they will all be back. I'm happy that DBSK did go in together though , imagine having half a unit for 4 years?

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I am so glad Siwon left us with his most hilarious role to dat to re-watch when everyone is boring and you just cant.

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Currently watching Soulmate right now. Only on episode 2 but I'm liking it so far. Definitely not like the typical Korean dramas around!

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Oh, you make me realize how I miss SDW in my small screen! And you also remind me of all the awesome songs in that drama, thanks dear! *playing the OST*

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Oh man, I watched Soulmate SO many times!! Such a good drama!

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I'm having withdrawal pangs from Sassy :( Mondays and Tuesdays won't be the same. I've still been creeping pictures and interview translations where ever I can find them. I want my YeonYeol back :( and the ot13 + teachers :(

Got into Love Me If You Dare based on the beanies recommending it last OT. I'm really glad I checked it out. The previews for ep 13/14 look amazing...anxiously waiting! (Though I wish it had the same crack factor as Sassy wahhhh)

My week has been mixed - I've been feeling pretty down and I had a panic attack a few days ago. Don't know why - second time I'm getting one in two weeks (and never had them before). Maybe I'm psyching myself out too much about school/work... *sigh*

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your first sentence is me exactly :( My Mondays and Tuesdays aren't the same either, but thankfully so far Oh My Venus isn't terrible so I don't want to throw rocks at it for taking away Sassy's time slot.

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I got myself tangled into the addiction of Love Me If You Dare too! Props to the writer for writing the heroine's characteristics as someone who is willing to take critics and sarcastic comments to grow and to polish her skills without being potrayed as dumb or helpless kinda girl . Wallace Huo as the main actor is NOT HELPING AT ALL. HE'S SO DROOL WORTHY and is one fine man. I am seriously considering to marathon all of his previous dramas (LOTS OF EPISODES. SIGH)

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twocents ~

I like the detective duo on Love Me If You Dare. They're adorable together. *

*As adorable as two people can be while investigating murders.

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Oh dear...Wallace is literally something else...and episode 11, I could not stop with all the crushing smiling and goofiness he was doing...so out of character and yet so IN character...he plays the role to the T....

This is my first Wallace drama, but definitely not my last!!! I might have to marathon everything he's been in aswell LOL

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@John

Hoping that there wont be hatred and vengeance between both of the detective guys for falling for the same girl. I somehow like Simon/Bo Jinyan's sidekick bro better, Andrew the doctor. How did he survive Simon's pettiness through out the years is one hella achievement lol

@Kay

I sincerely wish you the best to marathon his dramas haha. Most of his mainland china dramas are period dramas and I can't handle the number of episodes (super lazy with period dramas) with school commitment killing me huhu. Anyway, have you watched the teaser for his upcoming to be aired drama, The Imperial Doctress? This drama seems to be so interesting, kinda have Empress Ki vibe on it.

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I was a fan of him in really old days, like 2004 ishh??

He really a fine man. DROOL WORTHY TO MY LAST SALIVA. lol.

His old dramas I used to watch mostly TWnse :
Dolphin Bay : this one made him into stardom, he was a hot item that time haha.
100% Senorita, Westside Story, The Royal Swordsmen (WuXia drama), Chinese Paladin, etc.

He can sing too, ^^ He sang most for royal swordsmen.

Oh, and if you interested in TW drama, check Autumn Concerto too. Is really good and heartfelt.

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welcome to the club! I mean there is "oh, my venus" which is quite enjoyable, but still... SGG was such a pleasure to watch. oh, well...

and, yeah, "love me if you dare" is constantly delivering good episodes. nice to know other beanies appreciate it too.

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Thanks for everyone recommending Love Me, If You Dare - I just did a good, old fashion 12 episode marathon. I haven't done that since Healer and Kill Me, Heal Me.

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Hello friends!!
Last friday i was so depressed, but you guys cheered me!
Thank you for the hugs and cheers, they were comforting:)

And sorry i couldn't thank you individually..am keeping busy. Not an excuse, but I HAVEN'T WATCHED BUBBLEGUM EP 4 onwards. And LDW is my first crush!! Now its HEALER~YA but first is a first.

Happy with the way life is going, i wanted to be busy so no complaints. Kdramas are life but my dreams are oxygen.

Not watching anything till dec, i only vote for jcw daily. Please do vote for him, google 'lets vote for jcw' voting station is site name:)

Take care,
Love ya!!

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@ pancchi! GO GO!!
Glad to see you up and about. I hope things are working out for you.

BTW, what do you mean there's a JCW voting station? What site is that?

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Thank you Unni!
If life is down am gonna take it up:)

There is a 'VOTING STATION' where we can vote for our fave actors. Type- 'lets vote for (your actor's name)' and google it you will get it:)

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Hai all.

Oh my venus is so tempting. I will check it out after all this crazy week passed. SO JI SUB! My number one ajusshui. I feel like pervert seeing him in the bathroom.................

Oot: i really want to improve my english grammar speaking and writing. Anyone has suggestion? Heee, okay. Spam comment, i am sorry.

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I skipped the first episode of OMV so I never saw the bathroom scene :D But SJS's clothed self is quite enough for me!

re: English, I'd say the best thing you can do is just read good books or well-written newspaper articles (from papers like the New York Times/Guardian/Independent). They generally have good grammar and a style that isn't sloppy.

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also watch BBC shows like Sherlock, Merlin, Doctor Who and period dramas - the enunciation is very clear, so is the grammar (not like the kind of shows where there's a lot of slang and local dialect usage, which makes learning harder).

Speaking of learning, what kinds of shows are best for learning standard Korean from, if you want to improve your own speaking? I thought SGG was really good because it showed the language in usage without slipping into lots of colloquialisms, but I can't always tell. Does anyone else have any ideas/advice?

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yeah, UK shows are quite helpful that way - clear enunciation and even the shows with regional accents tend to make it so you know what their actors are saying (though I still struggle with comprehending some accents in rapid-fire mode, like Scouse - sorry to any Liverpudlian Beanies!)

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it's okay, nobody understands Scousers, not even them! (I say this with love, lol)

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For learning Engiish, also try films like Pride and Prejudice, Merchant Ivory films, and TV shows like Downtown Abbey. Although the language is a little more formal and archaic, generally, you'll get good English without regional dialect or slang. If your English is such that you have some basic proficiency, then one good way improve is to watch it in English, with the English subtitles on. I find that helps me when I'm watching French films, so you start to tune your ear with the text, improving your pronunciation and vocabulary.

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@ Stuckonyou
Yes, I agree with what's been suggested here... even listening to BBC Radio helps, as recommended by a Speech and Drama trainer. I think he took down phrases and practised speaking them aloud, imitating the way he heard them spoken.

Speaking in English to English speaking people definitely helps.

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I forgot about radio, completely agreed. BBC worldservice allows you to tune in to their radio from pretty much anywhere, and the quality of language is excellent, particularly BBC Radio 4. The shows and contents are fascinating, too.

Another way is audiobooks and radio-plays (again, BBC excels at these). Just pick something you've read and enjoyed, in English or your own language, and hit up the audiobook. Librivox (did I get that right? Libre Vox?) provides a lot of free ones of classic literature, so try that, too!

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That's a very good tip! I also find reading recaps on dramabeans helpful for my English ;)

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I'm still not over the Sassy Go Go high - I was mildly heartbroken on Monday when I realised there were no more episodes, and compensated by refusing to leave the last recap, HA. What has this show done to me, seriously......

But I tried easing the withdrawal a little by rewatching Answer Me 1997, and it works a little? I mean, I can't watch Lee Won-geun and Ji-soo's last projects as high schoolers because their characters suffer too much (Wild Chives & Soybean Soup and Angry Mom respectively) but Answer Me is just the right sweet spot. And watching it, it was easy to see that Jung Eunji's characters in the two dramas were actually quite different.

Tried episode 2 of Oh My Venus, and it's largely being carried by the leads, especially Shin Mina. And I like that So Ji-sub doesn't feel like either his melo characters or Joo Joong-won, even if he needs to be fleshed out more. At least it doesn't suck, and doesn't have me pouting that Sassy Go Go's time slot was filled with an unworthy successor at the expense of having extra SGG episodes.

Speaking of the Sassy Go Go kids, I hope that potential Ji-soo/Kim So-hyun project is confirmed, Park Hye-ryun is great at youth dramas and these two kids would vibe beautifully together.

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Also haunting the SGG recap's comments for what else you guys have come up with! I love how it's slowly creeping towards 700 on the comment count. I've spent a ridiculous number of hours watching interviews and fanvids on youtube, and people have begun posting ost covers, too! (like this - I was going to go drop this in the recap but not got around to it!)

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hahahahaha I fell into the fanvid black hole too! I'm still on the lookout for ones set to the whistling song as it appears in the SGG OST - Yeol/Yeon-doo, Ha-joon/Yeon-doo, OT3, OT13, I don't mind!

I wish I had the time and talent to come up with some good fanfiction, too. I'm so not done with these kids and their world.

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if only that black hole had Yeol at the bottom of it, dancing.

(hahahaha!)

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oh goodness, dancing Yeol.....well, he had to have one imperfection after all.

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The whistling tune is Rely by Sol the Biz. It's a japanese song. In the show they played the instrumental bi - it's so catchy I've been humming it all week long.
I'm also suffering withdrawal symptoms - been watching six flying dragons and while I love that, I miss having something light and such positive energy from Sassy Go Go.

OMG I didn't re-watch Answer me 1997 but I re-read the recaps for it! hahahahaha because angry mom is too serious to re-watch and i don't know other drama with Crinkle eyes other than Moon embraces the sun. I can't watch that drama again.

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I know, I get this big stupid grin on my face just thinking of that tune - thank goodness they finally released the full instrumental because it's been haunting me ever since the very first moments of the show.

And Answer Me 1997 is good for attempting to recover, because while Crinkles and Grumpybear have done other dramas, they both suffer too much (especially grumps) in those for me to actively seek it out to rewatch. Crinkles especially is utterly adorable in Wild Chives & Soybean Soup, where he also plays a high school top student and makes an adorable pair with Yoon So-hee. Shame he was only playing the child version of the male lead though, they were much better than the adults.

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I think it probably helps to skip the first episode altogether, despite the So Ji-sub shower scenes (I'd have clocked out too, the less time spent with douchey ex the better). Even the recap of ep 1 sounded boring, but episode 2 picked up things quite a bit.

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Will try to give it a chance.

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Pogo! *sends virtual hugs*

It's always sad when a favorite show ends. God thing is, you can now marathon it all at once! ... you might come to love a new one? .... [insert favorite break up cliche here]

I have new kdrama toddler stories? Well, kinda?

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hey Manin! I know, it's always sad when a great show ends, but usually I'm happy to let go when I feel like it's told everything there was to tell.

And hanging out in the SGG recap as a safe place was hugely preferable to going on news sites and being confronted with the aftermath of Paris/Saint Denis over the last week (I hope any French beanies and their families are safe). I'll take kdrama toddler style over the spiral of violence, any day.

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pogo:

Yes the world has been a sad place this week.. And by the looks of what happened in Mali is going to continue. My escape place has been working with the children (where it hasn't come up) and Garo. Love that franchise.

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I'm not over Sassy Go Go yet, but following @eunzit on twitter has helped so much...she's constantly posting translated interviews with the cast (Ji Soo, Lee Won Geun and Eun Ji in particular) and updating their Instagram pics and the like.
I've also started a rewatch of my favorite scenes starting from Episode 1 (I'm on Episode 4 right now, s many great moments in that one).

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I should start checking twitter, eunzit has done an insane lot of translation and I'm so grateful for that, really.

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Hi everyone! Just dropped by to say guys,if you haven't watched "Nirvana In Fire" yet you MUST! I just finished it and it's definitely one of the best drama[C+K+J+TW] I've ever watched! It's so well-written, well-acted and well-produced that I was awestruck! I HIGHLY recommend it!!

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what's it about?

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If you ask me about the genre then I'll have to say it's a political-historical drama which will sound boring and won't do this drama justice.It's actually a story about friendship, solidarity, love and sacrifice.Give it a try.You won't be disappointed :)

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Just say Hu Ge and I'll be there lol.

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+1!My sister and I have a new "precious" and that's Hu Ge. Wallace Huo is gorgeous but Hu Ge is quite more talented. NiF is magnificent...our true nirvana!

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LOL. Oh you..

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We've got recaps going on Problematic for both Nirvana and Disguiser - the two share much of the same cast and production team.

Although the stories are completely different, they are both fabulously well done in every respect. And as an additional benefit, we have some very knowledgeable Chinese readers who add a lot of background info to the discussion.

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Ohh, I'll need to check it out! IF my internet lets me Problematic again. *grumbles*

How is Disguiser? Good? bad?

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I prefer Disguiser to NIF, actually - it gets going faster, the characters are more recent (Japanese occupied Shanghai in the late 30s/early 40s) and while the stakes are VERY HIGH in human terms...there's more opportunity for humor, too.

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That sounds good. I'll put it on the never ending list. I've heard a lot of people talking about NIF but fewer talking about Disguiser.

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Plot-wise, I feel like there's more going on in Disguiser. The first few episodes may be a bit confusing if you're not super versed in that part of Chinese history, in terms of who is on which side, but you understand better as the story unfolds. Amazing acting.

Honestly I personally prefer NIF just a liiittle more because I actually like the slower pace, but I highly recommend The Disguiser as well.

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I've watched the first episode of Disguiser.

Is it just me or have the Chinese upped their game in the drama market ? Good writing, acting, production.

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It's fantastic, John. Both dramas were completed prior to airing, if I am remembering correctly. It makes a difference.

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Yes! Nirvana In Fire is an absolute must watch!
I'm also watching Marry me or not ( TW) highly recommended. I've stopped watching kdrama after sassygogo, nothing interest me. Even OMVenus kinda lame despite SJS.

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I have it open on my tap to watch it!

... I just got stuck watching Garo again..

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I am watching it now and it's so good. I am not a big fan of Hu Ge but he is great in this drama.

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I tried episode 1 for few min... I got confused with so many princes/kings? I only watch like the first 10 min.. the subs were bad (or they were speaking in ancient chinese with lots poetry therefore couldn't be translated into english?).
Maybe i'll give it another go, so many ppl has said good things about it..

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I can give you a summary on the character relationships if you'd like.

There's the Liang Emperor and then 3 (+1) princes of importance:
- Crown Prince (taizi), Xiao Jing Xuan
- Prince Yu, Xiao Jing Huan
- Prince Jing, Xiao Jing Yan
- Prince Qi, Xiao Jing Yu (already dead at the beginning of the story)
(You'll notice the name after "Prince" is different from their given names, because that's just a title.)

The main character is Mei Chang Su, the leader of the Jiang Zuo Alliance. However, he's also the son of General Lin and was born as Lin Shu. Everyone thinks Lin Shu is dead, and this is explained later on in the drama.

General Lin was married to Grand Princess Jinyang, the sister of the Emperor, so that makes Mei Chang Su/Lin Shu the Emperor's nephew. Also, General Lin's sister Lin Le Yao was taken by the Emperor as a concubine (titled Consort Chen), and she was the mother of Prince Qi.

Lin Le Yao had a trusted attendant who was like a sister to her, and the Emperor also took her as a concubine, titled Consort Jing. Consort Jing is the mother to Prince Jing, and he and Mei Chang Su grew up together like brothers.

The Emperor's other sister, Grand Princess Liyang, is married to Xie Yu, an antagonist of the story. Their son, Xiao Jing Rui, is Mei Chang Su's friend.

The Crown Prince's mother is actually not the Empress, but rather a high-ranking concubine (ranked second to the Empress). Empress Yan adopted Prince Yu and treated him like her own son after his birth mother passed away. So there's the first power struggle there, between the Crown Prince and the Empress's (adopted) son.

Hope this clears up your preliminary confusion. xD I really advise you to keep on watching, though! Once you get a hang of the character relationships, it really is an amazing drama to watch.

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thx v v vmuch for this! :)

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I'm not watching as many K-dramas as I'd like right now. But I am really enjoying The Village and Oh My Venus. Bubblegum didn't really catch me with the first few eps and I never did get around to starting D-Day or finishing Mrs. Cop or Hidden Identity. I caught the first episode of Sweet Savage Family and was extremely underwhelmed, it's not nearly as interesting as the trailers made it seem.

I am still loving I'm Sorry I Love You (aka My Ghost Friend) the T-drama but I think it's down to about 2 episodes left. I started the Chinese series Wu Xin the Monster Killer and I like it.

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Does anyone over here watches Turkish drama? Or are we even allowed to talk about them here? In case you haven't, you must give them a try but the availability of subs is a big problem. Well if there is someone here who watches them, I would really like to have a discussion with them on the most anticipated show Kosem, which just started and can be considered (or is actually) the sequel of the marvellous Muhtesem Yuzyil. A website has relesed the subs for 1st episode and I hope they are not taken down.
So does somebody here watches Turkish dramas?

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I'd certainly try them if I knew where and how, and if eng subs were available - do you have any tips?

There's a beautiful Turkish writer, though (as in, her writing's beautiful) - Elif Shafak. If you enjoy reading and can handle the melo, give her books a try! She's also got an excellent TEDtalk on youtube, called 'The Politics of Fiction'.

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The subs are indeed diificuilt to find since they sell their copyrights to different countries and thats how i found them out. They were dubbed in my language but i think i have seen a few shows in amara.org. I saw Kosem's episode 1 in alaturca series.com. However I won't recommend watching Kosem Sultan before Muhtesem Yuzyil, Though they are not so related but I think uptil now that latter had a better story and great acting. Plus i guess theres a show"Ezel" that fully subbed on youtube.

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And yes I do know Elif Shafak but haven't read any book yet. Thanks for recommending the Ted talk.

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@koreanDrama

I watch Turkish dramas, hence the name ☺

I've watched ezel, Fatmagul sucu ne, Asi, aski memnue, adini feriha koydum, etc

Your right about the availability of subs, it's so hard to find but once you do find it, these shows are such gems honestly. Great storytelling, deep plots, emphasize in family and cultural values, and great acting.

I haven't watched muhtesim yuzeil, even though it's one of the most famous turkish dramas ever released.

I'll try to find more information about kosem and let you know.

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Sure do and let me know about it. You have seen all great shows but even amongst them i consider Muhtesem Yuzyil best atleast best uptil season 3, you can find episode 1 with eng subs on youtube for the rest there are translations and summaries.

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Thank you OT-ers for introducing LOVE ME IF YOU DARE. Wow! I marathoned 10 eps in 1 nite! This seriously beats all 2015 kdramas for me. If you like I REMEMBER YOU, then LMIYD is even better with the perfect balance of mystery, chemistry, romance, humour and super smexylicious male lead.

Any other Cdrama recommendation of similar calibre? Would like something to satiate my addiction in between waiting for more LMIYD during this kdrama slump year.

Dropped last 2 eps of SASSY GO GO and SHE WAS PRETTY because it got boring. Starting to lose interest in BUBBLEGUM because where's the plot. May most likely complete watching ACHIARA because it's just different. Picked up OH MY VENUS because of the leads.

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uhm..i might try Love me if you dare. I generally avoid C-dramas. But i did watch a bit of Love weaving through the millenium, the Chinese adaptation of Queen In Hyun's man. Not bad.

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I too have rarely gotten through full episodes of C-Dramas but Love Me If You Dare is an exception.

I think part of the reason is that it has more of a Kdrama 'vibe', can't think of any other way to describe it. Joy brought up a good comparison I Remember You. (although if I had read that comparison before I started watched I might not have started since I didn't care much for IRY) I do enjoy LMIYD MUCH more than IRY.