Misaeng: Episode 16
by odilettante
The newbies are excited to finally submit their own proposals, but if you thought getting a project approved is a cause for celebration, think again: this is One International, and nothing is ever as simple as it seems. No one is thrilled with the office protocol, especially Chief Oh, who’s once again forced to make difficult decisions as Geu-rae finds himself unwittingly caught in the middle of a battle of integrity versus office politics.
EPISODE 16 RECAP
Geu-rae gets ready for work, and yay, he knows how to tie his own necktie now! As he enters the One International lobby, he says hello to Seok-yul. Whoa. I barely recognize him with his new haircut. In a voiceover, Geu-rae notes that Seok-yul’s become quiet and withdrawn as a way to survive.
Much like his new hair style, his new personality is barely recognizable to the other newbies (and to us viewers) who miss his annoying chatterbox ways. But it’s not like they can really give him any advice, because in the year and a half they’ve worked there, they’ve come to realize that you have to endure your hardships on your own. Still, Geu-rae wishes he could tell Seok-yul that even if a baduk stone is lost, the game continues.
We’re now in October, which means months have passed since the last episode. Geu-rae flips through his calendar and writes “YES! YES?” on today’s date. Dong-shik and Chief Chun arrive, and they rattle off all the projects Geu-rae’s worked on in the intervening months. Geu-rae’s been a busy bee! He finds out that his latest project has been approved, and he happily circles the “YES!” on his calendar.
Baek-ki tries to focus on other work as he distractedly wonders if his project will be approved today, too.
In the ladies room, Young-yi chats with Deputy Director Sun, who puts on her makeup after pulling an all-nighter. Young-yi gets a message telling her that her credit card payment is late. Seeing Young-yi’s deflated expression, Deputy Director Sun suggests a friendly coffee break.
They run into Chief Oh on a coffee break as well, and he notes that she’s no longer the resource team scapegoat. When Deputy Director Sun teases him for paying such close attention to Young-yi, he jokes that he hasn’t given up on her transferring to his team.
The resource team return from their meeting, sighing over the fact that Young-yi’s item was selected for the team to pursue. It’s going to be a headache for them, and that headache is named Manager Ma, who’s pissed that headquarters selected Young-yi’s proposal. He orders Chief Jung and Young-yi to tell headquarters that they can’t do her item and to push for the other resource team’s project instead.
Geu-rae is bewildered by this, since Manager Ma is the the head of the resource department, and therefore should be fine that one of his team’s items was selected in the first place. But Dong-shik explains that the team that supports Manager Ma (and therefore he supports them in return) had their project rejected and the new female employee had her project selected. That puts him at a disadvantage because it’s not a project he controls. In the end, it’s all about office politics and what will be more likely to get Manager Ma promoted.
The new (and not-so-improved) Seok-yul quietly goes about his business as Assistant Manager Sung reaps the praises of making an impressive deal for a huge fabric order. Chief Moon is a little concerned that their factories won’t be able to produce the amount required, but Assistant Manager Sung reassures him they’ll be able to meet the demand.
Seok-yul heads to the break room for a cup of coffee, and Chief Moon remarks on his calmer and less talkative attitude. But Seok-yul brings up his concerns about the factory not being able to fulfill the contract without hiring the use of subcontractors — they just don’t have the capability to meet the demand. But Chief Moon reminds him that Assistant Manager Sung had gotten the factory’s reassurance they could fulfill the order, and he trusts Assistant Manager Sung.
Preparing to take the lead on his project, Geu-rae is busy researching everything he can about Kazakhstan, impressing Dong-shik with all the little facts he’s learned. But Chief Oh gets a call from the department head who tells him that he needs to find someone else to take over the project — Geu-rae’s just a contract worker with a few months left, and it’s pointless to have him as lead.
Chief Oh defends Geu-rae and his ability, but the department head reminds him that’s not how things work around here. They can’t have a contract employee in charge of a project per office protocol. Chief Oh tries to figure out a way around it, asking the head of the planning department if it’s possible to set a precedent, but gets immediately shut down.
It doesn’t matter that Geu-rae is the one who put all the time and effort into this project, they can’t have him as the lead on the paperwork. Despite Chief Oh’s fervent protests, the head of the planning department tells him point-blank that there’s no point for the company to spend any time developing a worker who will just leave in a few months.
Chief Oh breaks the news to Chief Chun and Dong-shik, the latter who’s astonished and irate on Geu-rae’s behalf. He refuses to have his name replace Geu-rae’s, but Chief Chun knows that this is just how the company works. Chief Oh seems surprisingly resigned as he tells Dong-shik that it’s not like Geu-rae saved the world — he’s just fulfilling his duty to get his paycheck. But does that mean Chief Oh is just going to hand over the project like that?
Young-yi’s lost in thought about her own project woes, and is shaken out of her reverie when Assistant Manager Ha stops by, telling her to just do whatever Manager Ma asks. It’s about picking her battles and finding the easiest way to get by. Of course, he’s not saying this because he’s worried about her, no siree — it’s just because he doesn’t want Manager Ma becoming a headache for their team. Uh-huh, sure.
Focused on his project, Geu-rae’s oblivious to the rest of his department watching him work, knowing all his effort will be in vain. Aw, but Dong-shik and Chief Chun still give him help when he asks for it, eager to make sure his pet project is done perfectly. Chief Chun in particular is reminded of a time when he had submitted a project that had been dismissed to favor the other more “elite” employees in his team.
Chief Oh broods over a cup of coffee, and Chief Go commiserates with him. But the only advice he can give Chief Oh is to just try and comfort the disappointed Geu-rae, because it’s not like there’s anything Chief Oh can do to change things. Baek-ki just happens to be around the corner making a cup of coffee, and overhears everything.
Geu-rae meets with one of the business owners there to drop off a proposal, and the man is visibly nervous as he hands it over to Geu-rae, telling him how crucial it will be for his company if they win the bid.
As Geu-rae gets back on the elevator, the executive director is already onboard. He bids a nervous Geu-rae to join him, and as they ride up together, the director verifies that he’s the one who had been referred by the Youngsung CEO. As Geu-rae steps off the elevator, the executive director tells him to stop by his office sometime for a game of baduk.
Baek-ki’s been anxiously waiting all day to hear back if his project has been approved, becoming so distracted that it’s been hard to focus on his regular work. Assistant Manager Kang finally calls him out on all the little mistakes he’s been making, telling him to stop fretting about his project and instead focus on his work.
As he’s headed to the supply room to make copies, he passes Young-yi, who’s so lost in thought she doesn’t even notice him approaching. She asks him about his project, but he turns it around to compliment her on her project being recognized by headquarters. Seeing her unenthused expression, Baek-ki starts to mention Geu-rae, but then stops.
Young-yi drafts an email to headquarters, letting them know that she’ll need to withdraw her project due to personal reasons. Chief Jung watches her as she slumps at her desk, head in hands. He seems just as thrilled about this as she is.
Chief Oh meets an old work sunbae for lunch, and is surprised to find out that the sunbae’s business venture ended in total failure. The department head stops by Sales Team 3 looking for Chief Oh, and chides Dong-shik and Chief Chun for Chief Oh’s refusal to switch the lead name on Geu-rae’s project, telling them one of them needs to take it over. Geu-rae happens to overhear this and walks away, utterly crushed. It’s not just that his project will be taken from him, but another reminder that he’s just an unqualified temp.
Meanwhile, Chief Oh listens as his sunbae describes his regret over the way he left his old job at One International. Maybe he should have tried harder to toe the line when it came to office politics. They laugh over his ambition and unwavering perseverance when he was younger, and he says that kind of spirit is gone from the business world now.
Sunbae asks if Chief Oh still thinks the office is a battlefield, telling him not to give up and get pushed out — because the outside world is hell. Chief Oh offers to escort his tipsy sunbae home, but he shrugs him off, instead slipping an envelope into his pocket, telling him to buy some snacks for his kids.
But when Chief Oh opens the envelope once he returns to the office, he sees that tucked inside with way too much money is a note from Sunbae, practically begging him for work and a foot back in the door.
Dong-shik reports that Geu-rae overheard about the order for him to hand over his project to someone else, and he’s not sure where Geu-rae’s gone. He isn’t answering his phone and businesses bidding on the project are trying to get a hold of him.
He’s sitting gloomily in the stairwell, which is where a breathless Chief Oh finally finds him. He chastises Geu-rae for leaving his position when he’s the person in charge of this project. Does he think the rest of the team are his backup staff?
Geu-rae quietly returns to his desk and focuses on his work as the rest of the team watch him knowingly. Chief Chun leaves for a meeting, running into the executive director in the lobby. He stops to ask Chief Chun how Sales Team 3 is doing these days, and Chief Chun ends up going to the executive director’s office to give a full report.
The executive director is surprised to hear that Chief Oh is so furious about Geu-rae being forced to hand over his project, but dismisses Chief Oh’s determined effort to find a way around it as just his bizarre quirk. He adds that Chief Oh never seems to learn, but admits that his passion is admirable. Chief Chun hesitatingly asks the executive director if there’s a way he could support Geu-rae.
Manager Ma gets a little bit punchy (literally) when Chief Jung asks for more time for Young-yi to send her email, demanding to know if the department chief has grown soft because he’s now working with a woman. Manager Ma reminds him he’s up for promotion soon, so if he wants to climb the corporate ladder, then he’d better comply.
Chief Jung takes Young-yi aside and gently asks if she’s able to give the project up as a favor to him. She stands outside, lost in thought. Across the way is Geu-rae, similarly lost in his own work worries. They smile knowingly at each other as Geu-rae repeats his words from the beginning of the episode: “Hardships must be endured alone.”
Her mind made up, Young-yi tells Manager Ma that she agrees her project was short-sighted and that she’s already sent an email to headquarters, letting them know she won’t be able to proceed with it. It’s pretty infuriating to see Manager Ma’s smug face as Young-yi stumbles over her words, admitting that he was right after all.
The textile team is surprised by a visit from some angry factory foremen, who insist it’s impossible to complete the fabric order. As they voice their complaints, Assistant Manager Sung sticks to his guns, yelling that the factory manager promised to fulfill the order, so they should blame him instead. He threatens to hold them all responsible if the order isn’t completed, telling them to do whatever it takes to make sure it’s done in time.
The factory workers walk out, telling the textile team that they’re going to go on strike. Assistant Manager Sung just yells that they’ll be responsible for any added costs for hiring subcontractors. But Chief Moon is worried and asks Seok-yul to see if he can reason with them, since he has a connection to the factory so perhaps they’ll listen to him.
Seok-yul promises Chief Moon that he’ll do his best, but the men won’t listen to him. They accuse him of forgetting what it’s like in the factory now that he’s grown accustomed to his cushy office job. One of the men angrily pushes Seok-yul hard against the wall before they walk out, and Young-yi rushes over in concern as he slumps against the wall, watching the men leave.
Geu-rae works late on his project until it’s finished. He pauses a moment before he hands it over to Chief Oh, and then formally asks him to change the person in charge of it. There’s a long beat as the two men stare at each other before Chief Oh finally agrees. Geu-rae bows and returns to his desk.
Baek-ki is still distracted over not hearing back about his project, and continues to make little errors. As he’s busy fixing mistakes in a report, Assistant Manager Kang notices that Baek-ki’s pet project has been approved, and casually mentions it to him, adding that he did a good job. Aw, it’s cute how utterly happy Baek-ki is to hear it, and he stumbles over his words as he thanks Assistant Manager Kang.
But he also notes that Geu-rae’s project has been officially handed off to Dong-shik, and Baek-ki actually looks concerned as he watches Geu-rae work as though nothing had happened.
Seok-yul is beating himself up (er, figuratively speaking, despite the nasty bruise on his cheek from earlier) because he wasn’t able to reach an agreement with the factory workers, especially since Chief Moon had such confidence in his abilities. But one of the foremen calls him to meet one-on-one.
He explains that the man who threw Seok-yul against the wall and gave him the bruise on his cheek is his brother, who lost a couple of fingers after using the old equipment. The reason the men are going on strike is because they don’t want to risk more accidents. Their hands are their livelihood — they can’t risk damaging them and being out of a job just to fulfill one contract. Remembering his blue collar roots, Seok-yul starts to cry.
After work and over drinks, Baek-ki admits to Geu-rae that he’s never been more ashamed of his qualifications as he was today. He tipsily tries to explain that it’s not their fault — it’s not Geu-rae’s past or Baek-ki’s qualifications. But he stops himself and instead does a cheer with a glass of beer. Aw, I smell the promise of bromance.
Chief Oh finds his work sunbae drowning his sorrows in soju. He returns the envelope of cash, adding that if his sunbae continues to drink, he won’t be sober enough to take advantage of any opportunity that comes his way. He describes his new employee (aka Geu-rae) as reminding him of Sunbae when he was younger.
But there’s an important difference between Sunbae and the newbie: Even though the newbie works hard, it’s natural; even though he’s passionate, he knows when to be restrained; even though he’s young, he’s not drunk.
As they leave the restaurant, Chief Oh gives Sunbae a card for a small company looking for new employees (aw, it’s the CEO who referred Geu-rae to One International). Sunbae tells Chief Oh to make sure the newbie doesn’t turn out to be just like him, and he hopes everything turns out well for him.
Chief Oh walks home, lost in thought. He pulls out his phone to call Geu-rae, who’s also on his way home. Chief Oh tells him to not stay drunk, and Geu-rae agrees. He thinks back to how he and Young-yi had to to surrender their projects. Even if a baduk stone is lost, the game continues.
In the morning, Seok-yul reports to Chief Moon, letting him know he wasn’t able to reach an agreement with the factory workers. When he says he’ll contact subcontractors to help make up the difference, Assistant Manager Sung leaps up to rub in the fact that Seok-yul’s confidence was all for naught.
But Seok-yul’s pride in the factory has been reawakened, and he tells Assistant Manager Sung to not look down on the factory workers. He informs Chief Moon that it’s physically impossible for them to complete the order and that they, the office workers, should have given them a feasible work order to accomplish. He adds that even Assistant Manager Sung should have known this order would have been impossible to complete, but Assistant Manager Sung continues to play the blame game.
Chief Moon seems to understand the severity of the situation, though, and gives Seok-yul his approval to do whatever it takes to find subcontractors to help out the factory — if nothing else, the textile team will take the blame and shoulder a loss. Seok-yul immediately gets on the phone to the factory to get things moving, and he slicks back his hair, wondering how long it’ll be before it grows out again. Yesssss! Our Seok-yul is back!
The resource team is in crisis mode when one of the companies they work with is reporting bankruptcy. Manager Ma snatches the phone from Chief Jung, yelling at the other company while Young-yi verifies that they have insurance to cover themselves. Manager Ma literally shoves the phone into the guys’ chests as he yells at them for not doing their jobs properly, and just as he’s about to poke the phone into Young-yi’s forehead, Chief Jung interrupts to tell him that the insurance will take care of it.
He then takes the phone from Manager Ma before he can use it to poke anyone else, calmly informing him that he’ll take care of it. After he hangs up with the other company, he tells Manager Ma to not touch his or his staff’s bodies again. Whoa. Everyone stands in tense nervousness as Manager Ma silently stares them down and then leaves.
In the stairwell, Chief Jung tries to catch his breath, shocked by the way he just confronted Manager Ma. They’re all assuming the worst, but as Assistant Manager Ha says they’re all in it together, Young-yi’ gives a small smile. Aw. Talk about your team building.
Chief Oh is surprised when the department head hands him a couple of projects that have passed review on the executive level. That means these are “sure bets” that will look good for a promotion, and Chief Oh verifies that that they were sent down by the executive director. Indeed, as the executive director was looking through Geu-rae’s personnel file, there were a few projects on his desk that he decided to pass down to Sales Team 3.
COMMENTS
It always seems to feel like it’s two steps forward, one step back for our newbies, but it feels like things are finally starting to turn around for them. Baek-ki finally gets his name on a project and a “good job!” from Assistant Manager Kang; Young-yi’s team finally steps up for her — and themselves — in order to stop Manager Ma’s abuse; and Seok-yul finally gets to prove that Assistant Manager Sung doesn’t know what he’s doing after all.
Of course, it only took him almost a year and the total loss of his spirit and personality. Perhaps it would have happened sooner (and not so painfully, at least to his pride) if Seok-yul had taken the other newbies’ advice and just waited for Assistant Manager Sung to dig his own hole. But I’m so thankful that Seok-yul is back and able to stand proud for everything he believes in — and hopefully this means he’ll return to his cheery, talkative self! I greatly missed our constant ray of sunshine in the office this week, and while I did appreciate the new haircut, Seok-yul just isn’t Seok-yul without without the longer hair and center-parted bangs.
This is also the perfect time to gush about Byun Yo-han, right? Obviously we all adore Im Si-wan, Kang So-ra, Kang Ha-neul, and (most importantly) Lee Sung-min. But Byun Yo-han is truly showing off his skills as an actor. Remember when we first met Seok-yul, back when he seemed like a slick opportunist out to use Geu-rae? There was an instinctive sensation of distaste and revulsion, especially when it was revealed that he was a total “wall dog.” But Byun Yo-han convincingly transformed Seok-yul into the comedic sidekick that we grew to love, and then into the tragic creature these past couple of episodes that I wanted to fiercely protect — yet just like Geu-rae, I knew Seok-yul was going to have to endure his hardship alone.
His character arc has been the most interesting of the newbies. We’re gradually learning about Young-yi and her family struggles as she spends all her money making sure her parents aren’t out on the street; of Baek-ki and his growing realization that qualifications aren’t everything; and, of course, Geu-rae, who continually goes through all the ways that life tries to bring him down by maintaining his sense of calm dignity.
None of the newbies is perfect, though. Even with just a few episodes left, I’m not expecting amazing leaps forward. That’s not the realistic world that One Inernational’s given us. But at least I finally have hope that their lives won’t forever be dreary and beat-down, and that they’ll be able to prove to their team members — and the rest of the company — how worthwhile they are.
I just want everyone to finally be happy and feel like they truly belong. Is that too much to ask?
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1 PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 10, 2014 at 8:23 PM
Seok Yul's new hairstyle reminded me of Hiroshi Tamaki when he was in Nodame Cantabile... I don't know why.
But heartbroken to see him so beaten down. That new hairstyle just emphasized how much of him we lost. He used to be all pompous with his ridiculous center-part and now... He looks the same as everyone else.
I was so thrilled when the factory workers went on strike and SeokYul was asked to handle it. WooHoo! Seokyul! This is your time! Regarding all site matters, you're the giant and Sung is the ant! Show him what you've got!
(By the way, Sung was not very smart, nor was he very nice... Ensuring that your workers can meet their deliveries safely and on-time is part of supply-chain and workforce-sustainability planning. I can't believe Sung didn't know that and drove them hard and pissed them off...)
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changhyun
December 10, 2014 at 9:20 PM
Seriously. When I thought we lost him I was distraught, that was kick in the gut to me. The SY I was so accustomed to, the one we had commented about how annoying yet necessary and loveable, was gone. I think he's truly learned the lesson the other 3 newbies learned, there's a time to strike especially when you have no power. It took him a long time, a lot of embarassment, and a lot of abuse on his part but I'm so glad he finally learned the ways to rebel without really rebelling. Hopefully we get our SY back!
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Camille
December 10, 2014 at 11:27 PM
But I like the new haircut, I was anticipating it, And when he turned at that moment looking like that, my heart stopped and whoa, gee, I know you are handsome Seok Kyul but you still take my breath away. Just waiting for the beautiful smile now. He won't be this morose for long ,Seuk Kyul will get his groove back on, for sure!
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM
I liked the new haircut on the actor too. But that's what everyone else is doing and it's so... underwhelming.
Seok Yul, to me, is a crazy, upbeat chatterbox who loves attention and gives attention (But he doesn't really care if you think he's a bit too much). He's the center of the party and that ridiculous center-part of his was so HIM. That center-part is so unique (seriously, how many office workers do you know who purposely part their hair that way? It's so 1990s.), so attention-getting and whenever SeokYul comes around, his center-part screams: "MISTER SEOKYUL THE GREAT HAS ARRIVED!"
At least, that's what the center-part meant to me.
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tweetpandora
December 10, 2014 at 11:30 PM
I rewound the part where he parts his hair at least 4 times :-D :-D :-D I think his boss didn't care cause he knew the company wouldn't pay for any losses. He could care less for the factory workers.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 6:22 AM
The company wouldn't pay for the losses? Says who? In the end, their department had to go into debt just to find external vendors that were not budgeted for to cover the gap in resources so that delivery could be made in time.
And even if it's not the company paying for the losses, his year end review is going to be impacted by this incident (and so will his boss's).
Sung is a (not-so-smart) psychopath.
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dunduuun
December 12, 2014 at 7:22 AM
I did the same.
The event of Sukyuls haircut is a good example of why I love this show - how they manage to show the relationship between people in a way that most other dramas don't do. I like how they never take people's sense of self lightly. (The makeover scenes in other dramas usually fail in this point. Oh... you abduct me and change me? That's a good idea.)
One thing is how geu-rae and young-yi was looking at him in the elevator, carefully, to avoid being noticed.
The most important scene for me wasn't included in the recap, - - The moment where we as viewers realised that this was the final part of the "training" that Sukyul has been receiving ever since he wrote that fateful post on the messageboard, - when the boss came to work and demanded coffe - and Sukyul stood there, waiting for some sort of comment, - only to receive a malicious smirk when the boss finally looked at him.
When geurae was told to cut his hair, - he didn't do it, because he had not been broken yet. But Sukyul did it - which shows just how badly he had been broken down at that point.
Oh show. You never cease to impress me.
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dunduuun
December 12, 2014 at 7:24 AM
Oh, and byun yohan does an amazing job, and it saddens me a bit that he's name is not in the recap categories.
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news
December 11, 2014 at 4:29 AM
He sure will get a lot of offers after Misaeng.
But how sad that "Seok-yul’s [became] quiet and withdrawn as a way to survive".
I've unfortunately seen that happen in the workforce way too many times.
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Aigoooo
December 11, 2014 at 6:21 AM
The problem I found with the Seok Yul types in the office is that they are such a social butterfly that they don't get any work done and only rely on their charm to get by. It's all well and good but they either end up getting fired or get on people's nerves. It's nice to be liked but people should never forget why they get that paycheck in the first place.
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news
December 11, 2014 at 10:17 AM
Your totally right and I meet so many of those people too!
That actually describes SY's boss really well. While we've seen that side of SY, we've also thankfully seen how perceptive and passionate he is about work (i.e. presentation) which I'm glad is being shown more in this episode.
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nan
December 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM
Does anyone know the name of the book Young Yi was reading in this episode ("on my 29th birthday I decided to die a year later" or something like that)?
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mk
December 11, 2014 at 7:24 AM
That's the exact name of the book! Written by Hayama Amari.
29 years old, fat, ugly, single, poor girl with no hobby or specialty decided to commit a suicide a year later, in her 30th birthday, after gambling her everything in Las Vegas. <- I searched internet ;)
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 7:44 AM
decided to commit a suicide a year later, in her 30th birthday, after gambling her everything in Las Vegas.
o__O That... is messed up...
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TS
December 11, 2014 at 8:20 AM
Oh, that doesn't bode well.
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nan
December 11, 2014 at 8:46 AM
Thanks! I thought the book was about a young person dealing with a terminal illness or something.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 7:43 AM
You just stated the title of the book...
In English, it's On My 29th Birthday, I Decided To Die A Year Later.
In Korean, it's 스물아홉 생일, 1년 후 죽기로 결심했다
In Japanese, it's 29歲の誕生日、あと1年で死のうと決めた
It was first written by Hayama Amari and it had won some Japanese award (something like a Touching DaeSang, whatever that means. Here's the original: 제1회 일본감동대상 대상 수상작)
I've only seen a Korean transliteration of the book (on sale). I'm not sure if it's available in English.
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nan
December 11, 2014 at 8:48 AM
Thanks! I was just curious. Darn this show for making me think about it so much
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2 halfmoon
December 10, 2014 at 8:30 PM
Just very curious :
No spoiler please, but has anyone read the webtoon of Misaeng? If so, is this TV series version close to the story so far? (No spoiler please!)
I'm loving the quality of the show and was wondering if we're live shooting right now.
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raindrops1
December 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM
I was wondering the same thing. I was wondering if the kdrama was following the webtoon closely or if they took the main foundation of the webtoon & then deviated from the original story?
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mk
December 10, 2014 at 10:32 PM
Basically it's following the original story well, but the writer added some episodes or gave GR's story to other characters.
For example Mr.Park's episode(being naked with the wings) was exactly same with the original, but YY's episode with debt from Mr.Shin was made by the writer(But her father's problem is same). Making short sentences for a better report episode was GR's but the writer gave it to BK.
For general, the original webtoon is colder and calmer. GR is much mature and like second Yoda(next to Chief Oh), YY's attitude is almost like old CEO who knows everything, and SY and BK don't have many episode to tell.
Sometimes drama is better, sometimes original is better, but all I can say is you'd better not miss the original if you have a chance!! :)
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kimi
December 13, 2014 at 11:36 PM
it is about 90% close as webtoon.
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3 indian_monsoon
December 10, 2014 at 8:40 PM
I am realizing more and more how important Seok-Yul is to the newbies. Without his constant cheeriness in the group, it seems like the glue that tied the group together has slowly disappeared. Of course, they are friends and what not, but it seems like Seok Yul's change in character has actually been a catalyst for the newbie team to drift apart. Byun Yo-Han has done such a wonderful job in making an impressionable mark on the show. He isn't just the comedic relief, he is the tragic hero, he is the pervert, he is the office ahjumma.
Even Geu-Rae, who at first used to treat Seok-Yul with disdain, and then with frustrated acceptance had come to miss his constant chatter and his non stop gossip. I have definitely met people who were rays of sunshine and then had the spirit taken out of them, and honestly it seemed like the world had just fallen into despair. This episode was so hard for me to watch because there was very little to balance the utter seriousness of the problems of the newbies.
That being said, it's so nice to see that despite everyone having to face their problems on their own, the people in the office genuinely seem to CARE for each other. Geu-Rae with Seok-Yul and Young-Yi, Baek-Ki with Geu-Rae, The Resources team with Young-Yi, Assistant Manager Kang (Yowza) with Baek-Ki. It was heartbreaking to see Geu-Rae give his project away, but that is what is inspirational about him. Ultimately, he has to play the game and he plays it with a lot of class.
I stopped watching Korean dramas (focused more on variety) but Misaeng has pulled me back. This is probably one of the best dramas that I have seen. Haven't seen another drama where the daily happenings of an office has been portrayed in such a realistic and poignant way. Can't wait for this weeks' episodes.
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jandoe
December 10, 2014 at 8:58 PM
"Byun Yo-Han has done such a wonderful job in making an impressionable mark on the show. He isn’t just the comedic relief, he is the tragic hero, he is the pervert, he is the office ahjumma."
Everything you described about Suk-Yool here *nods along*
I almost wish Odilettante screen capped that scene of him at the bus stop as one tear fell from his eyes - that was one powerful, wordless scene that to me, perfectly encapsulated both the character's depth and the actor's range. Love him.
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CaroleMcDonnell
December 11, 2014 at 8:57 AM
Yes, yes, yes!!! Well said!
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4 missDVM
December 10, 2014 at 8:43 PM
I agree with all your comments. Seok Yul has grown (as, actually ALL the characters have! lol) into one of my favorite characters. He is the office's "little ray of sunshine," and his depression and loss was immediately palpable. Goodness. Every character is so well developed.
I also think that his strange hair added to his character.
I hope Seok Yul "comes back."
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5 Maryse89
December 10, 2014 at 8:44 PM
Thanks for the recap!
I am a million percent on board with gushing over Byun Yo-han's performance.
He is being given by far the most versatile material to work with, and he knocks it out of the park. It helps, as mentioned, that he has the most interesting story arc out of all the newbies...the other three are more like existing tropes being done in a refreshing way (the underdog rise story, the hardworking girl with debts story, the proud perfectionist who needs to learn humility), but his character is so original and doesn't remind me of any other TV character I've seen.
I loved getting a glimpse into some of Korea's class divisions/issues with the factory worker storyline, as well. Great stuff all around!
Oh, and Young Yi's boss finally standing up to Mgr. Ma...thank GOD!! That was a really tense and powerful scene.
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6 Kennedy Rose
December 10, 2014 at 8:45 PM
thanks for the recap, odilettante.
another tear-jerking episode. at this rate, the tissues companies will be making tonnes of money! the tears start early for me.. the moment SY turned around to acknowledge GR. you simply know that this is not the same gossipy, flamboyant SY. when GR said 'woori' lost him.. i knew we won't be seeing those little meetings. SY was the glue that keep them together and initiate those meetings.. BK's too proud and both GR & YY prefer to suffer in silence, alone.
but most heartbreaking is the scene where GR handed over his project to Mr. Oh so the latter can assign some else to take it. it takes courage and maturity for him to do it.. i suppose, it's more likely he do not want to make his team mates feeling guilty. you could see his heart is breaking but he refused to let it interfere with his work.
and i just love the fact that the timid Mr. Jung finally have the courage to stand up to that jerk. by that action, he acknowledged YY as a real member of his team. yay!( funny scene at the stairwell!)
and woohoo! SY is back! i rather have him with that ridiculous hair and being chirpy than have a makeover but looks n sounds like a zombie.
and what is the ED planning? i am terrified of this dude. he looks.. ,calm and all, but you just get goosebumps from him.
oh, who on earth is mr. kim of youngsun? i thought the one who refer GR to thd ED is the CEO of sungwon?
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A
December 10, 2014 at 10:41 PM
I thought Kim was Oh's head - the guy who had to resign because of the Jordan fiasco.
And what happened to the Jordan project. Its 17 months already and that thing just vanished with Park. I thought Gur Rae would be part of that project on-site for the remaining episodes. The Kazakh thing surprised me.
And however smart and empathetic SY is , I will not forget how he sexually harassed that woman by groping her butt. It was plain wrong. Who is that person and who is this? I need to see both to get the person. No matter however he betters himself at work relationships, he isn't someone who is all good character. I liked the way he blow-kissed to YY when she offered solace. Felt she is the first girl who he does not objectify. Its another matter that YY would verbally skin him if he forced a move on her.
SY, how does he treat women? He isnt that different from Baek-Gi in this sense that whoever he looks upon with distaste has to prove himself to garner respect in his eyes. Only then comes 'chingu time' GR did that at the presentation for SY and BK , well, ep 15 and 16 were when GR had to 'prove himself' to GR to earn his respect.
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A
December 10, 2014 at 10:44 PM
Typo:
‘prove himself’ to Baek-Gi
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 12:09 AM
the former head of the sales dept is kim boo ryeon. the one the ED refer to was a mr. kim, CEO of youngson. if i'm not mistaken, it's one kim gyeongman.. (on the card tht mr. oh gave to his sunbae.. another mr. kim).
but i'm pretty sure GR was referred to one international by the CEO of sungwon.. ep. 1, 9 & 15 mentioned that..
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7 redrosey2u
December 10, 2014 at 8:55 PM
Does anybody know where you can read the actual webtoon? I can't seem to find it. :(
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Joanna
December 11, 2014 at 11:26 AM
It is available through the portal DAUM. I wish I read Korean! http://webtoon.daum.net/webtoon/view/miseng
There was just a story about how it, and other webtoons, will be translated into English and made available through Huffington Post in spring of next year. I'm glad, because this means the authors will be getting paid.
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redrosey2u
December 12, 2014 at 9:52 PM
Oh really?? That's so far away, but great in the grand scheme of things I guess. Lol, I really want to read it, I was literally hunting for it......sigh.... :(
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8 aweebit
December 10, 2014 at 8:56 PM
that dorktastic smile when Beak-ki get his project approved tho' :D
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9 harmonyfb
December 10, 2014 at 8:57 PM
Chief Oh verifies that that they were sent down by the executive director.
My husband's reaction to that was "they're setting Chief Oh up", and I think he might be on to something, there. It's clear there's no love lost between him and the ED, after all.
Seok Yool's retreat into his cave of solitude was sad, though I have to say that his hairstyle was much more attractive. Hopefully, this will be the beginning of increased attention to the Asst Mgr's slack-ass ways, because he desperately needs a good kicking.
And speaking of a good kicking, I want to slug Manager Ma right in his face. SO MUCH. Nice to see the rest of the resource team rallying behind Young Yi.
Also, I love Dong Sik even more in this episode, as he bitches about Geu Rae getting the shaft. I have no idea why he's single, because that character is the sweetest, ever. ::pinches his little cheeks::
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 10, 2014 at 9:40 PM
I know! I love the camaraderie between DongShik and GeuRae even more, especially when they're teasing each other.
Did you see the past photos of the actor playing DongShik? He was so slim. Lol, I wonder what happened. He gave in to his inner piggy~
I wonder if DongShik is still so innocent because he hasn't been out of Sales Team Three and has always been under the protective cover of Chief Oh the idealist. Manager Chun seems a bit more world (company?) weary.
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Kennedy Rose
December 10, 2014 at 10:08 PM
yup! the part where DS told GR to treat them with coffee while poking GR like a vending machine. i love it when the're horsing around with Mr. Chun chipping in once in awhile and Mr. Oh looks on like a daddy(he tried to look as if he dowsn't care but he's proud of his boys, eh?)
this team really need some happy times.. and if the ED is up to nasty tricks, they need all those happy memories to keep them going. and i hope DS will make GR smiles again.
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harmonyfb
December 11, 2014 at 4:18 AM
Were we supposed to recognize the name of the person who recommended Geu Rae? I was trying to think if we'd heard the name before this episode (but boy, was that a loaded offer when the ED told GR to 'come up sometime' to play baduk.)
Is this a 16 or 20 episode series?
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 5:32 AM
20 episodes. it'll end next week. :'(
A
December 10, 2014 at 10:49 PM
The actor who plays Dong Sik in M stars as a creepy sleaze running a school girl prostitution racket in the movie Broken (that also stars Lee Sung-Min as a cop with an underling as his assistant. To top it his newbie in the movie has the same hairstyle as GR here.)
He was so utterly believable there and he is here as much playing Dong-Sik.
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Newbie
December 10, 2014 at 11:18 PM
Sometimes it's not the inner piggy, but the look for a part. Maybe he gained it purposely? I love that he is a little on the chubbier side, it adds realism to the show. Not everyone constantly sitting at his desk day and night sports 10 chocolate abs like they want us to make believe.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 6:30 AM
But... his character in the manga was not chubby though... and the actor himself has been that way for quite some time.
Either way, I don't deny that he's looking good, haha. Just a thought.
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harmonyfb
December 11, 2014 at 4:16 AM
I wonder if DongShik is still so innocent
I don't think he's innocent so much as empathetic and cheerful. Some people are just ground down more by their job than others. Manager Cheon just seems like he's more affected by the negative stuff.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 6:36 AM
But he was so livid about the project being taken away from Jang GeuRae, as if he hadn't expected it. A more... uh, experienced, person would have sighed, like Manager Chun.
It's not that Chun is not angry on GeuRae's behalf, nor does he accept such shenanigans, but he recognizes the politics and takes it for what it is, because it is what it is.
Dong Shik is like: "How can they do this?!"
and
Chun is like: "Again... *Le sigh*"
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 5:27 PM
What puzzled me was that Chief Oh was taken by surprise that the order came to replace the person in-charge of the project. As the experienced person in the team, he might have guessed that the company would not let a temp worker be the lead.
Perhaps he thought that the project would be completed within Geu Rae's contract period? Even so, there is no guarantee that projects don't drag on ... it is always more responsible to have a permanent person to be in-charge and do all the follow-ups.
Maybe Chief Oh was still being a little unrealistic?
CaroleMcDonnell
December 11, 2014 at 8:59 AM
You think it's a set-up? I didn't think so. Now, you and your hubby have me wondering.
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Nessie
December 11, 2014 at 11:25 AM
@harmonyfb
I thought the same about the ED! I was actually thinking, this is probably really far fetched, but could the project be the one that had something similar to the project which failed when Cheif Oh had the previous intern? You know the one with the girl, and something went wrong so the blame was put on her?
i feel like ED is trying to set a difficult project to trip up Chief Oh and get rid of GR...
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10 revlow
December 10, 2014 at 8:58 PM
I was in tears within the 1st two minutes as I saw the vacant, beaten down Seok Yul. Killed me. Hooray that he's back now!
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Kennedy Rose
December 10, 2014 at 10:26 PM
ep. 17.. SY is back.. hair and all. and he's standing up against mr. sung. hah! SY definitely comes back, stronger than ever.
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11 blueribbon
December 10, 2014 at 8:58 PM
Thanks For the recap odilettante
Maybe I am wrong but it seems like Director Choi is planning something. I think he wants to get rid of GR and Chief Oh. Maybe he placed GR in sales team 3 in the beginning because he hoped GR would pull them down, but it backfired. I hope Chief Oh is smarter than to take those projects but I guess in order for the plot to move forward he will. Maybe Director Choi will do the same thing he did to the girl to GR, I hope not.
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Newbie
December 10, 2014 at 11:24 PM
Anyone else got the feeling, that the ED's offer to play Go will become important?
Maybe it's just because I read David Benioff's book City of Thieves in which a game of chess decided the fate of the heroes, but I get the feeling, that Geu Rae's fate will be decided by playing Go with the ED.
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growingbeautifully
December 10, 2014 at 11:42 PM
@ Newbie
Yes, it was a thought that struck me. Could that game of Baduk decide Geu Rae's fate?
Rather nerve wracking. If you win against the big boss, will it mean he loses face and so in fact, he gets mad and you lose!!??
Or if you lose on purpose so that the boss wins, will he respect you? Again will you lose or win?
I'll be biting my nails if that game is ever played out.
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 12:13 AM
i'll go for the win. heck, might as well since he gives me that slithery feelings(eww.. hate snakes!).. besides, if he's trying to do something nasty to my team, i'll go all out to make him fall flat on his face.
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growingbeautifully
December 10, 2014 at 11:57 PM
@ Blueribbon
I feel that the whole problem we have with the ED is that his character remains mainly a mystery to us. We do not know his objectives when he does things or his real feelings towards the people he interacts with. We get little bits which might be him being genuine or him putting on a show. So until now, I don't know what to think.
The only time I can recall that ED might have been more genuine was when he looked displeased that Chief Oh was to be promoted. The fact that we know is that he and Chief Oh had been on the same level as colleagues before and that he has risen through the ranks to be about 3 steps above Oh. Whether this indicates that he has the knack of catching the big boss' eye, is a fantastic worker or takes the credit for others' work has not been revealed to us. So far, no one other than Chief Oh has been shown to dislike him.
If the dislike is mutual, and sometimes it seems so, then yes I too commented before that Geu Rae had been placed with Oh to bring the team down, but since it didn't work that way, will ED now try something else just before Geu Rae's contract is up?
What of course I'd really like is to be wrong... to say that the ED actually had hoped for the best in giving ST3 Geu Rae and Chun, (and even the horrible Park) and that he has heard Chun's appeal and wants to help Geu Rae.
Yes it is reverse discrimination. But it does happen.
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blueribbon
December 11, 2014 at 9:37 AM
You said it better than I could :D I totally agree +10
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CaroleMcDonnell
December 11, 2014 at 9:00 AM
Dang! Curse these inscrutable kdrama bosses! Now you guys have me worrying.
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 5:19 PM
Yes, and the subs make them more inscrutable because I'm not sure if they say what the bosses are saying (all figures of speech or allusions to things I can't figure out) or are just giving the literal translations, which also make little sense!!!
Plus what does that smile mean? Do you notice that the ED looks so mild and even smiley at times? Is it an "I like you" smile, "I've got something up my sleeve" smile or "I'm hiding my resentment" smile?
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12 Kennedy Rose
December 10, 2014 at 9:05 PM
this is weird.. you know how we always hate mondays coz it's the first day of work.. now it's because you have to wait for the next episode of misaeng! and we're supposed to look forward for fridays coz it's the start of the weekends.. yet, we're super excited because we're going back to the 'office'!
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revlow
December 10, 2014 at 9:31 PM
How true!
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revlow
December 10, 2014 at 9:38 PM
Somewhat related...
‘Misaeng’ syndrome grips the nation
http://kpopbuddy.com/2014/11/12/misaeng-syndrome-grips-the-nation/
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 10, 2014 at 9:36 PM
As long as someone else is doing the work, and not me, I don't care whether it's Monday or Friday, haha. That's why well-off retirees are everyone's point of envy.
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revlow
December 10, 2014 at 9:40 PM
Can you see chartreuse in a post? :-{
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 10, 2014 at 9:44 PM
How about deep-sea-green.
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revlow
December 10, 2014 at 10:12 PM
You have no idea how deep.
pigsnout
December 10, 2014 at 11:13 PM
Bile green, too.
pigtookie
December 10, 2014 at 10:12 PM
More like Saturday night for me... because that means 6 more days till the next episode of Misaeng. Though I've been well entertained by Pride and Prejudice and Pinnochio in the meantime.
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13 pigtookie
December 10, 2014 at 10:19 PM
Yes! Although I love all of the rookies, I've had a particularly soft spot for rookie gang leader Han Suk Yeol, though there's an odd contrast in his attitude before and after passing the intern test. (I think of him as leader because he's usually initiating the discussions.) Byun Yo Han is great at expressing HSY's wide range of emotions, especially in the subtler moments.
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14 revlow
December 10, 2014 at 10:41 PM
Just saw this...
What Would the Cast of tvN’s “Misaeng” Do When The Show’s Ratings Go Over 3%?
http://www.soompi.com/2014/10/16/what-would-the-cast-of-tvns-misaeng-do-when-the-shows-ratings-go-over-3/
Wonder if there's a follow up to this? Cute what they said they would do.
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Cray
December 10, 2014 at 11:48 PM
Some of them already fulfill their promises for 3% ratings.
Chief Oh- http://kpopfighting.com/2014/10/30/lee-sung-min-gives-out-free-hugs-following-the-success-of-misaeng/
Jang Gu Rae- http://kpopfighting.com/2014/10/31/im-si-wan-fulfils-misaeng-viewer-rating-pledge-by-providing-snacks-for-office-employees/
Kang Sora- http://www.soompi.com/2014/11/07/kang-sora-keeps-misaeng-viewer-ratings-promise-through-chicken-beer-party-with-office-employees/
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revlow
December 11, 2014 at 12:44 AM
How cool! Thanks Cray. :-)
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revlow
December 11, 2014 at 1:09 AM
Byun Yo-han - http://hiddenskylight.blogspot.com/2014/11/byun-yo-han-profilepictures-get-to-know.html
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Adal
December 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM
Thanks for posting this. I've been literally dying with curiosity to know more about Byun Yo han after watching him in Misaeng. Unfortunately, the information on him in Google and Wikipedia in my opinion, is severely limited. The actor blows me away with his range and expression. Hopefully, the work in Misaeng will open up more doors in mainstream or cable networks, since majority of Yo han's work experience has been in Indie and short films.
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CaroleMcDonnell
December 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM
thanks sooooooooooooo much!
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15 revlow
December 10, 2014 at 10:52 PM
Does anyone have info on Byun Yo-Han? So far all I can find out is that in addition to Misaeng he's done 3 movies:
Socialphobia (2014)
No Tears for the Dead (2014)
Tinker Ticker (2013)
They look interesting. Youtube has the trailer for Ticker Ticker. Last Friday he received the Independent Movie Star Award at the Seoul Independent Film Festival for Socialphobia.
But that's it. I can't even find a birth date. Anyone with knowledge or better luck?
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mk
December 10, 2014 at 11:07 PM
He was born in April 29th, 1986.
Graduated from School of Drama in Korea National University of Arts.
Has been acting since 2011 and acted for 13 movies(both major and independent) and Misaeng is his first TV Drama.
instagram : @qusdygkssla
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tweetpandora
December 10, 2014 at 11:41 PM
Ahhhhh lots of movie experience. It really shows. I have to say the casting for Miseang is so on point. Casting crew, director and producers are just out of this world.
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revlow
December 11, 2014 at 12:30 AM
Wow! Fantastic. Thanks mk!
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revlow
December 11, 2014 at 12:42 AM
Do you know where I can see a list of those movies?
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revlow
December 11, 2014 at 1:07 AM
Found a list of films at this blog:
http://hiddenskylight.blogspot.com/2014/11/byun-yo-han-profilepictures-get-to-know.html
Person who put this together also has photos of him fulfilling his 3% promise of buying coffee for interns.
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Kdramas
December 11, 2014 at 1:26 AM
I believe just last week he won an award for Socialphobia! :)
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revlow
December 11, 2014 at 3:57 AM
Yes he did.
http://www.soompi.com/2014/12/06/misaeng-byun-yo-han-wins-the-independent-movie-star-award-through-his-movie-socialphobia/
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kay
December 11, 2014 at 3:06 AM
He also recently acted in a drama special called The Night of the Witness (목격자의 밤). I don't think anyone's English subbed it yet, unfortunately.
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revlow
December 11, 2014 at 4:01 AM
Thanks kay.
Only one of his films I've been able to find online is Cold Eyes at myasiantv.com. Just watched it. He has a very small part. It was a good crime thriller, but I wouldn't suggest watching it just for him... barely in it.
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kay
December 11, 2014 at 4:37 AM
No problem. I see that he also had a brief cameo in the first episode of Vampire Prosecutor 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3YlNZOH7i8 (TW: blood, graphic violence)
http://www.dramabeans.com/2012/09/vampire-prosecutor-2-episode-1/
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 7:03 AM
What if I watch for the story? Is it worth it, then?
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revlow
December 11, 2014 at 4:22 AM
Looked again at the link I gave above http://hiddenskylight.blogspot.com/2014/11/byun-yo-han-profilepictures-get-to-know.html
Turns out it's in the list. Not finding it--or anything other than Cold Eyes--online yet.
Here's the list movies:
2014 'Crying Man' (Directed by Lee Jeong-beom) [116 mins, appearance]
2014 ‘Socialphobia’ (Directed by Hong Seok-jae) as Hong Suk-jae [100 mins, main]
2013 ‘Tinker Ticker’ (Directed by Kim Jung-hun) as Jung-gu [102 mins,teenagers restriction, main]
2013 'Trap' (Directed by Lee Ji-seung) as Yo-han [20 mins, main]
2013 ‘Crow Boy’ (Directed by Lee Beom-su, Lee Ji-seoung, Kim Kyung-hyung) as stoker
2013 ‘Cold eyes’ (Directed by Jo Yi-seok, Kim Byeong-seo) as M3
2013 'Hyun Soo Story' (Directed by Im Chang-jae) [89 mins, minor appearance]
2012 'Magic Hour' (Directed Song Jae-saeng) [10 mins, main]
2012 ‘Three Mirrors’ (Directed Kim Min-suk) as Beom-jun [18 mins, main]
2012 ‘The Night of the Witness’ (Directed Park beom) as Ji-hoon [28 mins, 15 yrs above, main]
2012 'Picnic Together' (Directed by Im Seung-jin)
2012 'Seventeen in Summer' (Directed by Slyeah Cho) as Tae-gu [29 mins, main]
2011 ‘Dear Catastrophe’ (Directed Nam Dal-hyun) as Yo-han [18 mins, main]
2011 ‘Working On Saturday’ (Directed Koo Eun-ji) as Do-yeon [17 mins, main]
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Joanna
December 11, 2014 at 11:27 AM
Ah, the power of the Dramabeans comments section! thanks for sharing information!
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16 growingbeautifully
December 10, 2014 at 11:09 PM
Thanks odilettante for the great recap!
The tears that came to me were tears of pride for Geu Rae.
The first thing that I felt I had to comment on when I watched this episode was: I am so proud of Geu Rae that he came to terms with the situation so soon, ... that he had the dignity and maturity to go to Chief Oh and to formally request to hand over his project. He made Chief Oh's decision easier and enabled the team to continue with the project with minimum fallout. He smoothed over Dong Shik's taking on the project in the best way.
Such a painful thing to do, but he was so adult about it and he earned Chief Oh's and Baek Ki's respect. He is really living his Baduk understanding of life that in the end the Game is more important and it is the War that has to be won, sans a stone or two and a few lost battles.
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 12:29 AM
i was sobbing by the time he bowed to Mr. Oh, as if to say thank you for the oppoturnity, it's okay and i'll help the new person in charge as much as possible. it's like watching a father hands over his firstborn(after many failed attempts)-his pride n joy- to others because he can't afford to care for it. you want to keep it close to you but circumstances go against you.
GR should how far he come by making that hard decision, relieving his boss of that stress. he's now officially an adult, not act like one but be one.
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 12:50 AM
Oh dear thinking about handing over a firstborn (or any child) is making me teary. You just had to make me cry! :)
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 2:05 AM
well.. that's what flashed on my mind when i saw that scene. we know he's been trying hard..2 months worth.. and surely he's proud of himself to get his business item aproved. you could how hard it is for him to hand it over.. the way he gave the files one last look.. his stony-faced expression as he gave the files over.. i supposed my brain went overdrive. heh. same thing for YY too. must have hurt a lot.( though i would never in a million years give my 'baby' to mr. ma!)
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revlow
December 11, 2014 at 4:04 AM
OMG! Mr. Ma. Baby. Same sentence??! Eeeek!
growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 7:34 AM
I was just re-watching this part, how he gathered the files, took the last printout and inserted them into the files, paused, nodded slightly to himself and went to Chief Oh with his back straight. Then that bow at the end (as you mentioned, I believe), just kills me. And he continues working calmly.
At the end of the day he drinks with Baek Ki, but he does not get drunk. How great is that. :) The more senior colleagues have a thing or two to learn from Geu Rae.
Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 8:07 AM
true.. i guess his stint as a baduk player really helps. such delicate features..but has the strength of a steel.
CaroleMcDonnell
December 11, 2014 at 9:05 AM
I generally hate sacrifices but in the case of the newbies --Young Yi and Geu Rae-- giving up their projects, I understood it had to be done. They are showing their teams that they do in fact care for their teams and that they are "oori" and not "me, me, me." Even if it's just so that a chief can get a promotion. That kind of noble sacrifice isn't related to the noble idiocy we often see which does no one any good whatsoever.
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17 pigsnout
December 10, 2014 at 11:18 PM
I cried a lot for Seok-yeol and Geu Rae this ep....ok I cry for Geu Rae a lot anyway but it's hard to see SY like this. I rather have him as the happy virus with a funny hairstyle than as a cute boy who is so miserable that he can't even smile. Bring his hair back!
And yeah I am a Byun Yo Han fan now, also. He is truly a great actor, so good that we all see him for the first time in such a great drama.
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18 tweetpandora
December 10, 2014 at 11:23 PM
The best thing in this episode for me was 'the return of Seok Yu and his partying' but wow did he look pretty with the flowerboy hair. I have really missed the fun Seok Yup. My heart broke for Young-Yi and Geu-Rae , more so for HR he almost had no choice in loosing the project. Not only did YY loose hers but also had to pretend to be incompetent /weak to headquarters as if she didn't have to face enough prejudice as a women as it is. Wish I could do given them both a hug. Good on her chief finally standing up to the idiot that is Ma.
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19 Fun-Lugha
December 11, 2014 at 12:16 AM
SY is HOT! That's all ;)
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20 yumii
December 11, 2014 at 12:21 AM
Thanks for the recap.
Loving the story so much.
I'm also appreciating the insights into Young-yi background we are getting. She seems like such a "golden girl" yet her struggles with her family are huge. Just reminds one, you should never fully judge a person by the surface you see.
The more I get of her back story to more I understand her lack of interest/response to Baek-Ki.
When we first met her mentor, I thought, well, Baek-Ki is like him, and that's a type she's avoiding this go around.
With the last two episode my thoughts have shifted a little.
I now wonder if the reason Young-yi left her previous position wasn't romantic, but financial. Perhaps her old boss had allowed her to float a loan to deal with her parents and when it was revealed the job situation became too toxic.
I'm also shifting my perspective on her lack of interest in Baeki-ki, and her sense of understanding/connection with Geu Rae.
I think Baek-Ki lack of empathy and understanding for those different from himself would make having him as a life partner an onerous predicament for Young-Yi when one considers how pathologically financially dependent her parent are.
Baek-ki doesn't gives the impression that he would understand, sympathize, or support her. I think Baek-ki reaction to her parent's dependency would make Young-Yi feel small and inadequate.
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 2:25 AM
i think she feels more connected to GR because she knows GR also has a past that he can't let go. remember the time she saw him sleeping in E3? how he cried in his sleep and said 'don't go'? she too has a past that still clings to her and she built a wall around herself as a mean of survival. GR always unintentionally spew some words of wisdom that she takes heart into. he would understand her best.
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21 meowingme
December 11, 2014 at 1:41 AM
The stairwell scene with the resource team warmed me to the toes. It's especially meaningful since Chief Jung is such a cowardly scaredy cat :D Don't know about next episodes, but at least for that moment Young Yi belongs with her team.
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 2:14 AM
after much crying, that scene kinda a great welcome. to think 'big' guys like them are scared of old mr. ma! that old bat must be very good at holding grudges. as mr. yoo said.. they are sooo dead! but hopefully, they will be stronger as a team.. looking out for each other just like ST3.
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22 Adal
December 11, 2014 at 3:59 AM
For some reason, I couldn't get over Kang Sora's hair extensions in this episode. I know it's meant to show us that a lot of time has passed from the last episode, but I couldn't shake the feeling that they were not real.
What a heartbreaking episode! I must've literally cried a dozen times watching it. Having Geu Rae and Young yi give up projects that they worked tirelessly for, broke my heart, and for the stupidest of reasons, office politics! It's no wonder Chief Oh was unwilling to break the news to Jang Geu Rae - because it's so blatantly unfair. And Mr. Ma is an idiot. Poor Young yi. On the upside, she's now considered one of the team, and her cowardly manager stood up for her (and the team) at last. Honestly, Mr. Ma ought to be fired, or at the very least, reprimanded for harassment, not just of females, but his subordinates as well.
Poor Seok Yeol, I love him to bits, and it does break my heart to see him bland, lifeless and dull when compared to his former vibrant, gossipy, colorful personality, which, surprised to say I miss. He's the one person I could count on to bring a little hope, color, humor into a tiring work day, and I can't wait for him to come back to his original self. The scene of him crying at the bus stop was so well done, the actor has such range. Byun Yo Han fighting!
On a lighter note, Baek ki finally got the acknowledgement that he wanted from his manager, Mr. Kang. I'm so glad that things worked out for him at last. At least his good fortune and Geu Rae's bad luck, had them bonding over drinks. I hope this is the first of many more bonding sessions. Hooray for bromance!
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 6:49 AM
I thought Ma was supposed to be ACTING department head only. Could they not get another, more qualified, person?
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 7:13 AM
I believe Ma was always the Head of the Resources Teams and is no longer acting Head of the Dept. There was someone else who was brought in to replace him and that got him more fault-finding and abusive.
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nan
December 11, 2014 at 8:14 AM
I don't understand why Mr Ma doesn't just fire Young Yi if he despises her so much. And if he doesn't actually have the power to fire her, then she should basically just tell him to take a flying leap.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM
Lol, he can't fire her because he has no reason to and if she told him to take a flying leap, then he'd have a reason to fire her.
revlow
December 11, 2014 at 1:54 PM
Plus there's his sexual harassment charge in the past? Eh, knowing him he's such a numbskull and so repulsively impulsive he probably doesn't even factor that in.
23 BedeliaJane
December 11, 2014 at 5:21 AM
LOL at these lines from Dong Shik when he was asked to take over Geu Rae's project: He's about to memorize all the Kazakhstan street names. He's about to get married to a bride there.
Love the bonding in ST3 team.
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 5:39 AM
i like it when he ask GR how the kazakhs express love and GR said it should be on the next page.. DS can't resist pulling his ear and offer him his special treat.. double dosage of his 'cologne'!
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 7:10 AM
I wonder if Geu Rae realizes his leg is being pulled LOL!
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 8:05 AM
knowing how dense GR can be sometimes, he might not!
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24 CaroleMcDonnell
December 11, 2014 at 6:24 AM
Thanks so much for the recap! And yes, Yo-Han! I never noticed his name. Now i will. Funnily, the present WIP I'm working on has a character named Yo-Han but i never knew it was a real Korean name. I feel so in sync with this actor now. I've liked him since the beginning but now...special place in my heart.
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25 nan
December 11, 2014 at 6:26 AM
Baek Ki's characterization has been sort of off IMO. In the beginning, he was portrayed as this super content intern who was good at everything, routinely got praised by his team, one of the only interns secure enough with himself to not be an asshole to Geu Rae. Ever since he got his permanent job, he's suddenly incompetent, weak, petty and jealous? I don't really buy that.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 7:02 AM
He's not incompetent or weak right now. Maybe a little petty and jealous though. But it's all because he was treated differently.
Like you said, when he was an intern, he constantly received praises, which must have stroked his ego and added to his self-confidence. But when he joined the Steel team, Manager Kang wouldn't even give him the time of the day at first, only to pick at all his flaws later, followed by a very nonchalant nod of approval and then finally a "Congratulations" without even looking at him when Baekki's project got accepted. So now he feels that he's incompetent and weak.
And honestly, even though BaekKi is my baby, (Yes, I'm too attached to a fake person now. I don't need consultation yet, thank you) he WAS an ass to GeuRae, but in that understated way. He didn't outright insult GeuRae to his face but he would insinuate and talk in circles just to show his contempt.
Also, all of a sudden, GeuRae, the guy he feels was beneath him, started soaring through the workplace (in his eyes. In actuality, GeuRae's not very, very impressive and neither has he advanced that much, comparatively)
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nan
December 11, 2014 at 8:24 AM
See, I don't think Baek Ki was an ass to Geu Rae. BK was never rude to GR to his face, he called the factory to get GR out of the ice truck. He wasn't super nice to GR, but IMO he had no duty to be. GR was not his friend and GR wasn't super nice to him either, so I think BK acted as well as a reasonable coworker could be expected to act. BK from intern days just didn't seem like the type to get jealous, petty, and immature, so it was a bit jarring to see him portrayed as such for 12 episodes.
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CaroleMcDonnell
December 11, 2014 at 8:49 AM
I think there is an unspoken law that if you are newbies in a company, you are there for each other. So far, Seok Yul has been there for everyone regardless of whether the person wanted him to be or not. Baek ki has been "there" for Geu Rae but arrogantly so, behaving as if he knew everything and was the perfect owner of and giver of knowledge, as if he was not capable of receiving anything but praise. This is one of the things that grates on Baek Ki: he has become aware of his need to receive. When he looks at Geu Rae, he sees someone who receives praise and insults with amazing equanimity. Baek ki had believed that there was nothing he could learn from anyone...and definitley nothing he could learn from an unimportant person.
True, Geu Rae has not gone out of his way to help or comfort others in the way Seuk Yul has. But that's probably because he didn't think he had anything to give to others. Not even himself. So I wouldn't say he was bad to Baek ki..he tried his best to befriend someone who was also a newbie. Baek ki, on the other hand, only seemed to regard Geu Rae as someone to pour his noblesse oblige on. And when he realizes that Geu Rae is the one who is truly noble, it irks him. Because he sees his own pettiness.
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indian_monsoon
December 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM
You know, you are absolutely right. Seok-Yul really has been there to help whether anyone else wanted him to or not. When Baek-Ki needed someone to cover for him coming late, he asked Seok-Yul. When Geu-Rae wanted to know details about why Chief Oh was fighting with Chief Ma, he went to Seok-Yul. Seok-Yul was even there in the truck when Assistant Manager Ha yelled at Young-Yi and helped console her a little bit afterwards. He held those daily meetings and really shared with his fellow newbie friends. It's so sad to see him going into a shell of his former self. He needed someone who'd help HIM, but he was that guy for everyone else, so he didn't have anyone to lean on. Makes his story even sadder. I also loved his relationship with Chief Oh and Dong-Shik - a sort of frustrated acceptance and even wonder.
And you're right about Baek-Ki. He liked the feeling of feeling smarter. It seemed more aligned with his character- his specifications and qualifications meant everything to him, and then here comes this kid who has a great relationship with his coworkers, who inspires others and yet knows so little.
PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 9:46 AM
Yes, he called the factory. But he could have avoided all that shenanigans if he had allowed SeokHo to go after GeuRae as SeokHo had wanted to instead of sending Bitter Intern to get GeuRae. Given Bitter Intern's very obvious contempt for GeuRae (he was the one sniping right in GeuRae's face), it was very obvious that Bitter Intern would not have done a proper job of it. BaekKi doesn't do the dirty work himself - he lets someone else do it for him and Bitter Intern acknowledged that much.
Earlier during lunch, he had turned the conversation at the table such that GeuRae was stuck in the corner regarding his academic qualifications.
To me, what qualifies as an ass is when you make people reveal their vulnerabilities when they're not ready and when you bully someone. The truck incident is one in which BaekKi bullied GeuRae (my heart hurts to type that out, but yes...). Yes, it was not to GeuRae's face, but, he had orchestrated it. His guilt (not that he feels guilty) could be seen in his face (Kang HaNeul is a very fine actor, for this matter).
For example, when a student ostracizes another student, that's bullying. When the rest of the class also ignores that poor student (because they don't want to get into any mess or whatever), that's ALSO bullying. Another example, if a close person of yours was shot by a hired killer, you wouldn't just blame the assassin. You would go after the person who ordered the hit too, because he is as much to blame. It has nothing to do with having to be there for each other or having the obligation to be friendly just because you came in at the same time. BaekKi was an ass because he went out of his way to hurt GeuRae, and he knew it.
During internship, BaekKi had it all, hence he had no need to participate in any incompetency/petty mess. Right now, he's one of the helpless drifters in the ocean of One International Newbies.
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nan
December 11, 2014 at 2:48 PM
I disagree. GR is an adult, and BK is not his mom, nor is BK the designated babysitter of all the interns. BK has no duty to try to prevent Bitter Intern's shenanigans, nor is he responsible for Bitter Intern's shenanigans. And mentioning something about someone else (that GR already mentioned himself) is not a cardinal sin. People talk about other people all the time. Even Chief Oh heavily criticized GR for getting in through his connections in the beginning and how unfair it was that GR was there (and if you're being real it was unfair for someone relatively unqualified to get in through connections), but somehow BK is the bully here?
And what has GR done to deserve such babysitting from others? GR has been acting for his own self interest just like everyone else. Has he ever been there for BK? When BK was about to leave the company because he had no work, did GR even say a comforting word or offer to go out for drinks and just offer a sympathetic ear? No.
People love Suk Yool now, while forgetting that SY never did anything to help GR during the internship period, SY tried to take advantage of GR by unloading all the work on him, and SY spoke to GR in a really condescending and disrespectful manner.
The reality is BK treated GR less offensively than Chief Oh and SY did during the internship period. Which again, goes back to my point that the BK characterization is inconsistent. I feel like some people reach to try to explain away any inconsistency in this show, but sometimes an inconsistency is just an inconsistency.
Jamie
December 11, 2014 at 7:05 AM
I don't see Baek Ki's characterization as unrealistic because different bosses have different expectations.
For instance, I work in an office where I have several bosses, for whom I write analytical research memos. I initially worked for two individuals who accepted accepted my memos with minimal comments and always told me that I did a good job. But then I started a project with another boss who questioned the thoroughness of my analysis and heavily critiqued my writing. This experience seriously deflated my confidence and makes you question your competence. However, having worked with him for several years now, I know that he is exceptionally good at his job and can honestly say that I've learned the most from him. He's still tough and critical, but I would rather work with him rather than the two individuals who had accepted my memos "as is."
So, I can understand Baek Ki's feeling of incompetence under Assistant Manager Kang, who has different expectations than (and perhaps different standards from) Beak Ki's previous boss. And although we may chide Baek Ki for his jealousy and pettiness, I've definitely seen it in my office.
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nan
December 11, 2014 at 8:30 AM
I can definitely see that different bosses have different expectations, but it just seems to me like the errors that Baek Ki is making are errors that he would have made during the intern period too. For example, typos and formatting? I find it hard to believe that he was making typos and formatting errors during his internship and his team never told him to comply with the company rules for formatting.
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Jon G.
December 11, 2014 at 9:13 AM
He was in the Resources team at that time, though.
It was shown that Steel is especially "conservative" and stringent when it comes to formalities. As a contrast, we have seen that Mr Ma, head of Resources (?), is rather informal (to the point of being incomprehensible) when it comes to documents.
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM
LOL! I always took it that he found the documents incomprehensible and took it out on his juniors by insulting them inappropriately and without comprehension.
Joanna
December 11, 2014 at 11:35 AM
I got fired from two jobs when I was starting out in the work world for typos and formatting errors because... typing correctly and correcting basic mistakes like that WAS my job. Documents that are shared must be perfect, or the team/organization looks bad. Granted, I could have been given a chance to do them over, but the bosses didn't want to have to mistrust my performance. Was I wildly indignant? of course! A hard lesson, but I never made those mistakes again. Later, as a teacher (of adults), I tried to instill in my students the sense that they had to be super scrupulous about such things because a lower grade is a lot easier to swallow than getting fired.
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 7:07 AM
@ nan
The change in Baek Ki has a lot to do with the fact that his over confidence has become a burst bubble since he joined the Steel team upon becoming a permanent staff member. His proposal was rejected, his boss does not praise him and in fact does the opposite and Geu Rae whom he never considered a rival of any standing has gotten way ahead in his team without any of Baek Ki's qualifications.
Suddenly Baek Ki finds himself seemingly unappreciated, with approval that has become hard to come by... so different from his intern days. This is enough to set anyone off being contented and arrogant, which is what he probably was before.
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 8:15 AM
that is why you must never be arrogant.. you just never know when you will be on the top of the wheel and when you will be down there.. be friendly to all(don't overdo it though), regardless of their age, gender, race, education, etc. you just never know..karma can be a ..um, er.. can be Mr. Ma!
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TS
December 11, 2014 at 8:23 AM
Same here.
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alua
December 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM
In my opinion, pretty much every single character was presented in one way at the beginning and then the writer began peeling layers off and showing us what is beneath – in which every single case has proven to be more complex than what we would have first expected, and in some cases seemed like a full turn-around (remember Seok-yeol the antagonist?).
There are still some characters where we still don't what's beneath (i.e. if there is any other side to them) and, indeed, we might never find out either (e.g. with Mr. Ma)... but I find that very realistic. We meet a lot of people in life, but we don't find out everyone's story or don't even get glimpses of their story. Just look at Geu-rae – now Dong-sik and Baek-ki (and the one who got him the internship) know that he played Go to a level that he could have gone Pro... the rest of the office might never find out (some more will, I think).
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 5:11 PM
I find that first impressions matter a lot to me. Seok Yul seems a great, fun guy now, but I can never shake off that memory of him and his indifferent attitude, leaving Geu Rae to do most of the work of the presentation and being hard to reach because he was drinking with his factory mates. He was also shown to have the nasty habit of looking girls up and down, flirting with them at reception or wherever to get more inside info and generally wasting time. Not to mention his trying to feel up the girl's butt in the name of knowing the fabric of her skirt!!!
So after all that peeling back of layers, what do we know of Seok Yul?
He was a barrell of fun and a great gossip, but also irresponsible, willing to abuse Geu Rae's hardworking attitude, had too high an opinion of himself (and put Chief Oh down, which earned him a punch), was probably on the point of looking down on people like Geu Rae and with little respect for women.
His family is from the working class and he gets on well with people on the factory floor.
He gets on by getting on with people and talking his way around but now he comes up against the wall of a boss whom he cannot get on with and who is in the position to use and abuse his skills/efforts. The tables are turned.
It is a hard lesson, but the one calculated to effectively put Seok Yul "in his place".
He just has to grow a bit more to realise that he can still keep his place, without losing his soul and his spirit.
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26 logan5
December 11, 2014 at 7:41 AM
I can't quite peg the Executive Director ...
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 7:46 AM
@ logan5
Yup, my feeling exactly as mentioned in 11.2 above.
Wonder if he's a light grey or dark grey guy, since no one is painted entirely black or white (except Ma?).
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logan5
December 11, 2014 at 8:06 AM
I new a guy like Manager Ma at work ... he was a complete ass and an office tyrant ... but then one day I bumped into him outside of work and saw him with his wife ... he was about as hen pecked and pussy whipped as a man could be ... justice ... sometimes it is poetic.
I think the Executive Director is a rational, logical and objective person ... which puts him at odds with someone like Oh ... who is emotional and hot headed ...
I would really like to see the Executive Director's character get a little more developed ... it's like we've been allowed to watch everyone grow except him, who've we've just seen as some sort of enigma in the background.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 9:55 AM
Mmm... But for me, the case that split them apart, AKA the EunJi case, highlighted how ruthless Exec Director is. Being logical is not the same as being ruthless. A logical person wouldn't necessarily go "Oh, but she's just a temp, we can heap the blame on her and let her leave". Nor does he necessarily would his first sentence be "Did she say anything about me?" when hearing of the passing of a former employee. So it's not just that Exec Director is logical and Oh is more emotional. It's because Exec Director is ruthless and Oh cannot accept that morally.
Honestly, I think that all ruthless people are logical but not all logical people are ruthless.
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Joanna
December 11, 2014 at 11:39 AM
The ED's first response to the news about Eun Ji ( “Did she say anything about me?”) made me wonder what he expected her to reveal: that he had made inappropriate advances? that they had been having an affair? that had information that could make him look bad?
Then I wondered: does Chief Oh know or no know what that information is, because he clearly understands that the ED is ruthless, as he later said explicitly on the rooftop, and they are clearly estranged.
Jon G.
December 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM
@Joanna
From what I understood, Eun-ji "took" "the responsibility" for the failures of all the people involved (including Mr Oh and ED).
The ED was concerned about being thrown back into the mess after Eun-ji died. There is no necessity of a personal relationship between those two. It would have been enough if she "blamed" him openly at some point before she died (for forcing her to take the responsibility) to soil the ED's reputation.
Of course, this line of thinking ("good thing she died without putting another hurdle in our careers, buddy") isn't exactly something to improve his relationship with Mr Oh.
Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 8:03 AM
you and me, buddy. who knows what lies behind those eyes..those smiles.. but he gave me the goosebumps! i just don't trust people who has Mr. Ma as a sidekick!
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yumii
December 11, 2014 at 8:26 AM
Agreed.
The question is whether the Executive Director puts petty vengeance over profit?
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27 coby
December 11, 2014 at 8:21 AM
That haircut is just wow. How often do I cut my hair if I want to shake off something or wanna feel new or revived. One thing that let me thank for this show is letting me think of my work attitude. Its just sad that I'll be wanting a boss like Mr. Oh.
I hope they get to release the English version of the webtoon!
Thanks for the recap.
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28 TS
December 11, 2014 at 8:24 AM
I was upset to see Young Yi had taken a loan to help her parents yet again. After the way her father had spoken to her, like her being a girl was some sin of her's, I wanted her to leave them in the cold, or just pay for storage for their stuff and tell them to live at the sauna.
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 8:33 AM
sadly, asian cultures still big on being filial to your parents. yes, there are more kids ditching their parents..sending to old folks homes nowadays..but most still have to care for the parents no matter how terrible they are. some parents use guilt traps to make their kids kow tow to them. in YY's case, the father seemed to say that she's lucky that though she's not a son, he still raised her well. it's cruel that sometimes, kids has to pay for the parents' sins. and parents like YY's dad does not know when to stop milking his 'cash cow'.
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Sunny
December 11, 2014 at 9:34 AM
I don't think it's right to say that it's "sad" that Asian cultures are still fixated on filial piety. Young-Yi is doing the right thing, no matter how painful it is for her right now. But later on, she'll receive her blessings for taking care of her ungrateful and unworthy father. It's just a hardship she has to endure, and she proves she grew up the right way even with a poor excuse of a father like that.
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Jon G.
December 11, 2014 at 11:53 AM
Define "right" and "blessings", in the context of a fictional tv show, you are right of course. But in real life?
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Nessie
December 11, 2014 at 12:07 PM
In real life, especially asian families there's alot of context in kids repaying their parents for looking after them. Like your parents raised you, therefore you are obliged to repay them back by also looking after them. This can be done in many ways, but basically helping them when their old is the goal.
I think Sunny is trying to say that in the future when her parents are really old and maybe dying. She will be seen as a dutiful daughter, because she did her best in trying to help her father within her limits.
This always makes me feel that the social context in Asian countries regarding parenthood, always has children bound to their parents more than it is in the West.
Jon G.
December 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM
@Nessie
Yep, I'm somewhat aware of that institution.
It's just that my (limited) experiences in mainland China taught me that filial piety doesn't seem to pay off. More often than not, the more filial child is simply exploited by the rest of the family without gaining anything, sometimes even developing co-dependent disorders. (Of course, this is mostly anecdotal evidence from a little more than a dozen families in urban mainland China, and therefore not even remotely applicable ...)
TS
December 11, 2014 at 4:10 PM
Doesn't work in real life. She has a basic ethical obligation and, under Korean law, a legal one to help with living expenses, but to save their whole home is a bit much. The place could be downsized and they can live much more simply to help her out too.
It seems like Youngyi had to support them even as a teenager, so I don't know where her dad gets off saying he raised her so carefully even though she wasn't a son.
TS
December 11, 2014 at 4:08 PM
She has to put appropriate limits, though, if she wants her sanity and them to learn some boundaries. Even if it means she tells them to live in a sauna or 1-room flat while the stuff is sold off to help pay her back.
Also, she's not obligated under Korean law to do more than basic expenses.
She can't become a pauper just to save her idiot family's face. They also have to learn some consequences.
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Nessie
December 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM
I imagine if she refuses that's also where her Dad might throw in the concept of him being the Father, and she has a obligation/responsibility to look after him in need.
The mother already sounds pretty helpless. Ultimately things might need to end ugly for her to gain freedom.
CaroleMcDonnell
December 11, 2014 at 8:52 AM
Her dad seems like a loser who is horrible in business/gambling. Parent or not, cruel selfish incompetent people often use whatever power they have over whoever they have. And the abused victim gets trained to be stepped upon by other cruel abusers she meets.
Poor Young Yi. We had thought she was doing the feminine thing. But what she is doing is the abused child thing. She has gone from one abusive blaming situation to another.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM
Not sure if she was intending to help her dad... or if she just couldn't leave her poor mom... and ended up preventing her dad from sleeping in the streets because he's a leech sucking her mom's blood. Dad's like a baggage, you know? That 1 + 1 freebie that you don't want.
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29 Lily
December 11, 2014 at 8:37 AM
Hello all,
Just a question from someone who is only one episode two but does this drama pick up at some point? I'm not disliking it but I'm just wondering if there's a point it gets really good as I tend to hop on drama bandwagons and pick up what everyone is enjoying at the time
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CaroleMcDonnell
December 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM
It's very realistic..so it doesn't pick up in the "give me super kdrama excitement" kind of way. It tends to move more internally, more emotionally. So it's not slow but it's intense. But it's only intense if you care about office politics and the machinations of trading.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
December 11, 2014 at 10:01 AM
Forget about machinations of trading. Even if you can't give a flying rat's ass about that, this show is still intense because the politics and hardship of being young and un-established is flowing in toxic-levels of concentration.
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growingbeautifully
December 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM
This is not your typical drama with a dramatic plot but a slice of life (day by day or by weeks or months at a time) drama that considers many details of what real life is like for many ordinary people like ourselves. It is gripping because we identify with so many of the people in it, feeling alongside them all the unfairness, the joys, the triumphs, the failures...
If you have sat through from beginning to end a couple of episodes and do not think it has gotten good yet, this type of drama may not be the kind you like.
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30 Nessie
December 11, 2014 at 11:56 AM
It’s sad seeing the newbie groups grow distance, especially seeing SY so soul shattered at work. I love how they used his hair to work as an identifier for his personality. I bet at some point, Assistant Manager Sung must’ve commented on his hair, which could be why he changed it. Like some of the others have said, he’s always been the one there for the other newbies, so they don’t have much to really offer or help him with. Which is why the scene of the Ajusshi talking to him, must’ve been the point where he really could finally express his frustration and pain. He hates the current “him”, more than anyone, yet he also feel equally helpless in doing anything to change his situation. His Manager also seems pretty useless, I mean letting Mr Sung yell at the factory workers however he wants. Really now? He has no commandment of the situation at all, then again this also gives SY the opportunity to shiiineee~
I’ll admit Manager Jung finally standing up to Manager Ma seems partly because YY is a “girl”, and shouldn’t be attacked by Ma. Of course the other guys are equally important, but for me this scene really showed me how Jung finally stood up for his subordinates. On a more personal level it’s Jung also knowing how much YY sacrificed her project for his future “promotions”, it’s his selfishness that caused her to lose a golden opportunity. Therefore he feels responsible to take care of her and also take a stand in caring for his team members. The Resource Team may not be as tight as Sales Team 3, but their slowly getting together at their own pace.
Like usual GR just always breaks my heart, when he turned his head away after finding out about losing his project. THE PAIN. My heart literally broke for puppy, and the shitty tears just won’t stop pouring out like a waterfall. Although this was the worse way he could’ve found out, it also seems the best as Chief Oh himself doesn’t need to personally break GR’s heart anymore. GR has come so far, being able to hand the project over to Chief Oh, really shows his maturity. Baek-ki trying to comfort him was the sweetest thing, even if it was a bit awkward. I’m glad he tried, as any comfort for GR would be really appreciated.
It’s all as Dong Shik said, “he just wants to run with us, but how can we break his legs?”
I think the ED finally making a move regarding GR, must’ve also been spurred by his meeting with Chief Chun. We all know how pessimistic Chun was about moving to Sales Team 3 in the beginning, but now he’s changed so much and is wanting to support GR. ED must be really curious about GR now. This could be the final test for GR, before we see him working like a pro in Jordan.
Thanks for the recap odilettante!
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Kennedy Rose
December 11, 2014 at 1:23 PM
when GR accidentally found out about the 'loss' of his ptoject, i think the fact that hurts him most is not that he lost it brcause he's not competent or good enough; it's because he realized that no matter what, he's just a 'useless' temp. a rag that once no longer needed can easily be thrown away. we know how much he wants to feel belonged and even though he know there's no 'us together' forever, he thought he still have the time to work together with his team. the loss of the project is like a slap to his face.. a wake up call that he's a nobody in one international no matter how good he'd become.
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Jon G.
December 11, 2014 at 1:45 PM
To see the Fantastic Four disbanded was the major blow in this episode for me. Without Seok-yul's magic hair, all the cohesion seems to have vaporised. Now all we get is helpless and mostly wordless co-miserating.
"His Manager also seems pretty useless, I mean letting Mr Sung yell at the factory workers however he wants. Really now?"
We've seen it earlier that Mr Sung's chief relies very heavily on Sung, and Sung uses that - with his excellent psychopathic skill-set - to his advantage. Even now he makes it easy for his chief to take his side and blame the factory workers for being morons. Yes, that wont save the deal, but it will make them feel belonging together. If it wasn't for Seok-yul ...
"I’ll admit Manager Jung finally standing up to Manager Ma seems partly because YY is a “girl”, and shouldn’t be attacked by Ma. Of course the other guys are equally important, but for me this scene really showed me how Jung finally stood up for his subordinates."
I know I should complain about that, like I usually do. But it didn't feel as wrong to me this time. Because the scene wasn't about Young-yi, it was about the relationship between Jung and Ma. Sure, he needed Young-yi to be a girl as the straw that breaks the camel's back, but it's all the rest of the baggage that does the actual damage.
"On a more personal level it’s Jung also knowing how much YY sacrificed her project for his future “promotions”, it’s his selfishness that caused her to lose a golden opportunity. Therefore he feels responsible to take care of her and also take a stand in caring for his team members."
Because of the time leap, the whole development was a little hasty (and because of that, very direct), but I'm glad we got a bit more substance on the team, and even some new aspect on Young-yi: The last time she worked on an item that her team didn't want her to pursue, she manipulated AM Ha into taking it up anyway. Here, we see that she is willing to play along with office politics and she even enjoys the new team dynamic that is, as you pointed out, effectually the result of her sacrifice.
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Nessie
December 11, 2014 at 4:03 PM
@Kennedy Rose
I totally agree, it's like this is the least he can really do to contribute to the team but also his own independent growth. The others have helped him alot too, giving him pointers and checking his work. It's just really disheartening to see him keep hitting walls. it's like the what the other Manager said to Chief Oh, unlike Dong Shik's case he really can't do anything about this.
@Jon G.
About the filial aspect in China, I guess exploitation would exist but the child themselves obviously wouldn't see it as such. Even if they do they will still feel it's a "responsibility" that they must commit. It's even worse when you're the eldest child because there's so much pressure for you to look after everyone.
Now that I think about it, in a sense Mr Sung seems a bit similar to Seok Yul, in that they both can be seen as social butterflies? I do get that sort of vibe from him, especially when he is slacking off work, or maybe their personalities are a bit similar? Yea their manager is pretty useless and its this uselessness that gives Seok Yul the opportunity to outdo Sung.
Oh I wasn't complaining about YY being treated as a girl in this scene. Essentially that is what she is, but at the core of it they've accepted her as a member, even if they haven't realised regardless of her gender. You've worded exactly what I was thinking, I wasn't sure what the word was but yes, YY is the straw that broke the camels back. Manager Ma knows this as well, as when he left he gave her one last look before leaving. I really liked the staircase scene with the Resource team, it's like their first official group meeting. Kinda like how Geu Rae went on his first dinner with Chief Oh and Dong Shik.
I honestly forgot about the time leap, but I guess YY's hair is a bit of an indicator. No wonder I thought things seemed a bit different. It's must be really cold in Korea right now, the weather hasn't changed much in my country so this idea didn't hit me as fast.
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TS
December 11, 2014 at 4:16 PM
I think YY was the one Ma didn't get to hit, and he's unsatisfied.
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TS
December 11, 2014 at 4:15 PM
Also, it's not wrong to say not to hit girls. Women's bodies don't have the muscle that men's bodies have so they can't take hits the same way (barring training as professional fighters from a young age).
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Nessie
December 11, 2014 at 4:34 PM
I don't think Ma will ever be satisfied with YY, or any female worker in the whole place. Which is saddening since even her Team has seen her worth, and have come to appreciate her.
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31 Francis
December 11, 2014 at 9:01 PM
Im Shi Wan (AKA Geu-rae) just released an O.S.T. song for "Misaeng".
According to the press, he composed the lyrics and tune himself.
It's "However... so..."
This song is calm and intimate, just as GR is singing...
You may hear this song tonight. (I hope...)
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Kennedy Rose
December 12, 2014 at 3:15 AM
heard the song already. i have no idea what the lyrics about, but i shed tears nonetheless. dun ask me why, i just heard GR.. i mean, Siwan's singing..i just can't help myself.
i'm not musically inclined(can't carry a tune in a barrel) but it sounds beautiful.
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32 cingdoc
December 12, 2014 at 1:21 AM
"I just want everyone to finally be happy and feel like they truly belong. Is that too much to ask?"- SIGH, Why do our newbies and Mr Oh cannot have a non stressful work day( no thanks to Mgr Ma?). These guys have so many obstacles to overcome; they might as well be in an Olympics event!
Is it me only or are there others who feel part of their lives is misaeng when this quality drama ends in 4 episodes???
I am already dreading that day???
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Kennedy Rose
December 12, 2014 at 3:21 AM
already i'm ignoring other dramas.. even the ones on my list.. pride & prejudice and pinocchio. am moping around and this could get worse once the drama ends. talk about withdrawal symptoms! i guess, i rewatch the entire 20 episodes just to cheer myself up.
btw, before i forget again.. does anybody know who are the actors who played young GRs? both the small boy and the teenager.
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33 August
December 29, 2014 at 6:54 PM
“Hardships must be endured alone...Even if you lose a game piece, the game still continues on.” ― Jang Geu Rae
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“Hardship often prepares an ordinary person for an extraordinary destiny.” ― C.S. Lewis
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I have endured,
I have been broken,
I have known hardship,
I have lost myself.
But here I stand,
Still moving forward
Growing stronger each day.
― Author Unknown
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I'm stronger because I had to be,
I'm smarter because of my mistakes,
happier because of the sadness I've known,
and now wiser because I learned.
― Author Unknown
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34 rochinipark
January 15, 2015 at 6:38 AM
I'm still watching this drama,just finished this episode.I think by the time I retire in working life I wouldn't have put in as many hours as a Korean office worker does in at least 10years or his/her working life.Just maddening the hours they put in.Not even just office workers,from other dramas it seem to reflect Prosecutors,lawyers,journalist and etc put in maddening hours into just this thing call a career.I am fortunate my current job only makes me work 5days a week for 40hrs a week.
It is a wonder what Koreans do in their personal time.I hope not drinking.As we see from this drama,they sure do alot of drinking.The suicide rate too is high.Make them smoke at ground level,it is so easy to jump off from the roof.
All in all I still like depiction of an office lifestyle but something I hope I never have to experience.
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35 pogo
October 18, 2015 at 1:06 PM
five stars really isn't enough, but I'll have to settle.
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