Mi-rae’s Choice: Episode 13
by gummimochi
Who can worry about the future when the present comes with its own unexpected changes? Shin is faced with a decision that could shape or break his own future while our time-traveler realizes that there are consequences that come with meddling with other people’s lives, including her own. It’s no wonder then that love takes a backseat when every day is a battle in of itself.
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EPISODE 13 RECAP
Se-joo is introduced as the new executive director of YBS and has no qualms about obtaining the position through an act of nepotism. With his ambitious plans to build the network into a media empire, he’s met with warm reception by the execs.
He thanks Shin for the introduction afterward, to which Shin dryly retorts that he’ll gladly provide his emceeing services in the future.
Mi-rae is still in shock from Shin’s cutthroat words in the bathroom when Writer Bae walks in to ask about her big date, only to frown to hear things didn’t go as planned.
News travels fast within the company, but it’s no surprise that Jokey PD hasn’t gotten the memo as he wakes up to a familiar face and orders him around in banmal as usual. His foot-in-mouth syndrome gets increasingly worse until Oppa clarifies the situation.
Once everyone (apart from Shin) is assembled, Se-joo formally introduces himself to his former team members, thanking them in turn for teaching him the importance of hard work, passion, and leadership in the workplace. Ha, I love that he just skips over Jokey PD.
He calls Mi-rae down to the media library they once worked in together, where he asks if she’s mad that he didn’t reveal himself earlier. She tells him that he should have, and asks if he’s doing okay.
His priority is to focus on work now that he’s been rejected, Se-joo teases. Recalling the fond memories they shared together here, he hopes that they can continue to have a comfortable, amicable relationship–not one based on job ranking, but as two people.
They exchange goodbyes in smiles, a sight Shin catches just as he rounds the corner. He passes by Mi-rae silently in the hallway, but then he momentarily looks back in her direction.
Se-joo wastes no time to implement changes in YBS through a company-wide email, which eliminating sole authority among the personnel and an overall program evaluation based on ability. Chairman Lee wonders how he’ll have the funds to execute all these changes, but Se-joo tells Grandma he has a plan.
Shin and Mi-rae remain professional yet distanced during their team meeting, and when Shin excuses himself to take a call, Jokey PD says he heard a woman’s voice, to Mi-rae’s dismay.
They barely acknowledge each other’s presence even when they run into each other outside. But as they walk back in step on opposite sides of the road, Shin glances at Mi-rae every few seconds.
Meanwhile, Se-joo decides to visit Yoo-kyung, who’s been absent from work and not receiving any calls. The address takes him to a humble dwelling on top of a hill (read: poor), where he’s met by her younger brother and disabled mother.
Needless to say, the sudden visit takes Yoo-kyung by surprise, but she remains cheerful as she recounts her discouraging meeting with the chairman. Se-joo says that his grandmother can be harsh at times, but Yoo-kyung says she was right, and then admits that she held onto the hope that marrying Se-joo would take her out of her current situation.
Then she quickly changes the subject, congratulating Se-joo on his successful transition. He encourages her to come back to work soon before leaving.
Writer Bae lets out a disappointed sigh once she’s filled in on the failed Christmas Eve date. She’s seen her fair share of failed workplace romances, and although Mi-rae and Shin may not have been technically dating, there’s always a party who suffers and leaves: the one who feels more uncomfortable.
The earlier call is from the same attractive broadcasting exec as last time, who shows some personal interest in Shin in their next meeting at a cafe. They both keep a professional tone in their conversation, however, and she wonders what’s tying Shin down to YBS.
Some neighboring onlookers recognize Shin and are quick to snap photos of them. The broadcasting exec seems to take note of this before excusing herself, which is when a man approaches the amateur paparazzi to suggest where they can send their photos to. Eek, not good.
Sure enough, the photos make headlines the next day, depicting him on a date with a chaebol heiress. Before Shin can process the situation, he’s called in to see Se-joo and is offered his dream job as the main anchorman of the nine o’clock nightly news (say that seven times fast).
Shin is understandably skeptical about the situation, asking if Se-joo is trying to capitalize on him like a product. Se-joo admits as much, calling Shin the best they have. And though the final decision is up to him, Se-joo trusts that Shin won’t let his personal feelings affect his career.
Shin says he’ll sleep on it, but before he leaves, Se-joo makes one more jab with the mention that he’s seen the photo and asks if Shin wasn’t already dating Mi-rae.
Speaking of whom, Mi-rae is distracted at work after she sees the headlines. She sits in a dressing room, trying to convince herself that it’s all over while holding back tears. A friendly voice calls out to her from the doorway just then–it’s Se-joo, who offers to buy her coffee to lift her downtrodden spirits.
But that’s when the tears finally fall, and grabbing onto his coat for support, Mi-rae asks why he’s so good to her. Se-joo places a comforting hand on her shoulder and gently tells her that it’s okay.
Back at the chairman’s estate, it’s Chairman Lee’s turn to call Ajumma Mi-rae out as a fraud again, and I have to admit I rather like how this power balance swings back and forth between them. She’s heard of the absurd claims that Ajumma is from the future from Yoo-kyung, and asks after her real motive.
Ajumma confirms those claims without so much as a flicker of an eye, and invites the chairman to ask all the questions she wants because there isn’t that much time left. She does grab the chairman’s attention with the future she does know: After Yoo-kyung marries Se-joo, she’ll eventually gain control of the entire conglomerate.
It spooks the chairman, who’s told that she’s free to believe it or not. But if she doesn’t want to see her assets handed over to Yoo-kyung after she dies, then she’s better of marrying her grandson off to Mi-rae.
Se-joo and Mi-rae take a walk outside, and she confesses that she purposely opened the windows in the carwash that time. In turn, Se-joo admits that when he said he would only give up on Mi-rae once she was happy was more for himself than for her.
He asks if she remembers his film school project. He explains that she was the first person who shared his interpretation and her words kept coming back to him as he sat alone in his lofty office. Taking her hand, he tells her, “Mi-rae, you’re someone I need.”
Yoo-kyung runs into Shin as he leaves work and notes that he sounds like someone who’s leaving soon. She brushes it under the rug for now and asks that Shin buy her a drink.
Over drinks, Yoo-kyung smiles that she feels oddly okay with being rejected by Se-joo now that she has nothing to hide from him. She’s quick to ask about the recent gossip, adding that she knows whom he met with because of her one of a kind luxury handbag.
Shin is impressed despite himself, but Yoo-kyung keeps pressing for more information. Are they dating or is he being headhunted by a rival network? Shin doesn’t answer, and she sighs deeply, saying that he’ll really end up ruined like Ajumma’s prediction if he takes the job.
Shin immediately replies that he won’t and things will be different: “Because Mi-rae isn’t by my side anymore.”
Mi-rae knocks on Oppa’s door to ask about his recommendation that she work for a different company. What concerns me is the medication he’s taking but dismisses as nothing, and Mi-rae promises not to cause her brother further grief.
Ajumma Mi-rae arrives at the YBS building to come face to face with angry Yoo-kyung. They relocate to a cafe to chat, and Yoo-kyung calls her out for messing with multiple lives to achieve her own happiness. Thank goodness someone finally said it, although it took us twelve and a half episodes to get here.
Ajumma insists that she’s looking out for everyone’s happiness including her own, but Yoo-kyung is a breath of fresh air, asking if anybody looks happy right now. “What about me? How do I feel about getting the man I love taken away from me?”
Then I love that Yoo-kyung says that she wouldn’t be able to selfishly jeopardize people’s futures if she were in Ajumma’s shoes. Points for you, Yoo-kyung.
Back at the office, Mi-rae takes the same elevator as Shin and tries to break the awkward tension despite his cold responses. He takes a breath after she leaves and puts in a call that he’ll make a decision by the end of the day.
Mi-rae also meets with another smaller production company who are interested in working with her after seeing her impressive features. Aw, it warms my heart that she’s getting some recognition in her field.
Meanwhile, Oppa gets some good news from the doctor: even though his disease has relapsed (eep, was it cancer before?) it’s easily treatable because they caught it in its early stages. Ajumma Mi-rae cries tears of relief.
Once they’re outside, Oppa says this discovery is all thanks to the stress Ajumma gave him, and he’s grateful that she came from the future. Ajumma’s eyes well up with tears at that statement, crying that he’s the first person to say that whereas everyone else hates her.
Like a good Oppa, he places a comforting hand on her shoulder. Oppa’s future now bright, she tells him that he should get married and have kids now. He rather likes that idea and muses that Ajumma might see her niece or nephew when she returns to the future.
But that last statement about returning to the future gives Ajumma pause.
Oppa returns to work in higher spirits, and the change makes his coworkers wonder if someone’s spiked his drink. But their happy mood quickly comes crashing down when Writer Bae has to leave due to a family emergency, leaving them without a main writer for their broadcast.
He racks his brain for a minute before assigning Mi-rae to the task. He asks if she can do it, and Mi-rae agrees. She rises to the occasion and carefully reviews everything, leaving her team impressed and Shin shocked.
Shin beelines for Se-joo’s office to ask whether he was offered the anchorman position as an effort to keep him away from Mi-rae. Se-joo replies that he’s too confident in himself to pull such a childish tactic like that.
Shin is glad to hear it, or else he would have punched Se-joo in the face. Slightly amused, Se-joo asks if Shin has made a decision on whether he’ll take the job or not, but we don’t hear the answer.
Mi-rae arrives home to hear voices in Oppa’s room, where Oppa assures Ajumma Mi-rae that she doesn’t have to worry because it looks like Shin and his sister are split up for good now. But Ajumma blurts out that she still feels guilty for telling Shin that he’ll eventually die because of her. What.
Mi-rae drops her bag in shock, and they open the door at the noise to find Mi-rae, shaking. Ajumma raises a hand as if to comfort her but stops herself.
Then Ajumma Mi-rae sits her younger self down to explain how she and Shin spent the next twenty years following his financial ruin living as strangers under one roof. Their frequent arguments usually ended with Shin retreating to the bedroom, and one time she was so fed up that she charged in there and told him “to go die then.”
It was his expression when he turned to face her that still haunts her, Ajumma confesses; she couldn’t tell if he was laughing or crying. But he went outside anyway, stood in the road, and was hit by a car.
“Ajumma… you’re really a scary person.” Mi-rae says shakily through tears. “No. I was the one who did it.” She asks if Shin already knows this, and then breaks down in sobs then and there to hear that he does, overwhelmed with guilt.
Ajumma lifts a hand to comfort Mi-rae, but Mi-rae shakes her hand away.
The attractive broadcasting network vice president is surprised to hear that Shin would like more time to consider the offer. He asks why she leaked the photo to the press when she easily could have prevented it.
She honestly replies that his name also boosts their network’s appeal as well. Her patience is wearing thin, she reminds him, and tells him to come to a decision soon.
Mi-rae is unable to sleep that night and plainly ignores Ajumma, who notices her ankle injury. But when Ajumma checks her own ankle, it’s clean. Then she immediately checks her diary to find the entries unchanged and comes to a startling realization: “Nothing’s changed.”
Ajumma heads out to the park to confront the Black Man, who timidly appears from behind a pillar. She then demands to know why nothing’s changed and if there’s something she doesn’t know.
The production team prepare for the live New Year’s special the next evening. Mi-rae makes last-minute preparations for her first broadcast as the main writer as Yoo-kyung is on standby at the lantern festival.
Shin looks at his hosting chair as if looking at it for the last time. He doesn’t look up at Mi-rae when she approaches him when she gives her well-wishes. Not too far off, Se-joo smiles with pride to see Mi-rae working hard.
Unfortunately, the team runs into an issue as soon as the broadcast begins when Yoo-kyung’s earpiece malfunctions. Unable to get a direct audio feed between her and the rest of the team, Shin takes it in stride to buy the team some time with their guests to fix the issue.
So Mi-rae thinks fast and decides to relay Yoo-kyung’s lines through a combination of illustrations and charades. She quickly gets everyone in order and Shin shoots a sign to confirm.
On her mark, they cut away to Yoo-kyung at the lantern festival and Shin reads Mi-rae’s gestures and props with impressive professional ease and without error. He keeps his eyes trained on Mi-rae, and the way he can interpret her motions is almost uncanny. And… is that a smile on your face?
The rest of the broadcast continues without a hitch and Mi-rae breathes a huge sigh of relief. Everyone is impressed with Mi-rae’s quick thinking, and Se-joo walks over to offer his congratulations.
Se-joo tells her that he has something to say and reaches into his pocket, but they’re interrupted by Shin, who has an announcement of his own: “This is my last broadcast. After today, I’ll be leaving [this show] and YBS.”
COMMENTS
What a relief that this episode picked up in the latter half because I still recall spending most of it frustrated with Shin, who remains infuriatingly mum in this hour. I did like how we were left guessing about whether he would stay at YBS or move to another broadcasting network since I’d assumed he would put more distance between himself and Mi-rae. His decision to leave, however, leaves me uneasy because it does mirror Yoo-kyung’s words that he would follow Ajumma’s prediction. Regardless of where Shin works, it’s his stubborn pride that gets in the way and causes rifts, so although he’s verbally admitted that things will be different because Mi-rae won’t be there, the core issue remains the same.
But then again, the man did hear he was going to kill himself in twenty years or so. It’s a harrowing truth to say the least, and I’m going to trust that the next episode will complement this information like last week’s episodes did. Given the way he still gives Mi-rae the occasional glance (of longing?) there’s some form of noble idiocy intention we’re not fully privy to yet that drives his current actions and behavior. It’s the hardest part of the angst mountain for me to get over, and I’m waiting for the explanation that may or may not come.
I loved that Yoo-kyung was the one who asked all the hard questions we’ve been dying to ask all series long to Ajumma Mi-rae today. Someone had to finally call her out on her selfish motivations to change her own future under the absurd guise of happiness when everything and everyone is unhappy. It’s a challenge that Ajumma seriously needed to hear for trying to puppeteer multiple lives, and now that she’s realized that the changes in the present aren’t changing her future, it’s a definite wake-up call that comes, I fear, far too late.
This is where I feel the show made a misstep in its time-travel rules by telling us that the consequences to seeing no consequences in the present or future means that nothing’s changed. It’s certainly an interesting question itself, but an explanation (that we’ll get hopefully tomorrow) that feels almost lazy when we’ve been twiddling our thumbs all series long waiting for the other shoe to drop when it won’t. The alternative reality theory is one possible explanation (which would make the other occurrences more difficult to swallow), but it would also tie into the question of whether Ajumma has a future to return to at all, which would be rather interesting to explore.
There is one highlight that definitely stands out in this hour in our final sequence when our team was in a rut and thus forced Shin and Mi-rae to communicate with each other for the first time in the hour. Not only was I impressed with Shin’s professional demeanor to remain calm in a panic situation, I also loved that Mi-rae rose to the occasion and took the initiative. Then watching the way that they communicated through signs, dolls, and gestures that somehow translated into words was just icing on the cake and a display of what these two can do when they’re on the same wavelength. Because who needs words when you’ve got telepathy.
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1 Ivoire
November 26, 2013 at 4:06 AM
Thank you for the recap!
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2 Caitlyn
November 26, 2013 at 4:09 AM
"Because who needs words when you’ve got telepathy." That scene was awesome, it was my favourite scene of the episode. The way they all worked together so well, and Shin watching Mirae and picking up on exactly what she meant. Perfect.
I don't particularly like young Mirae feeling guilty for something future Mirae did. Future Mirae has been buggering up everyone's lives, and now she's making Mirae feel guilty for something she hasn't done and will never do in this timeline.
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seven
November 26, 2013 at 4:20 AM
That's the reason that she didn't tell Mirae in the first place though, and didn't seem to ever plan to tell her. And if she hadn't come buggering up lives, then KS would have died and they both would have suffered 20 years. I mean, current Mirae still shouldn't feel guilty, but I don't think this ought to be blamed entirely on FMR.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:52 AM
Exactly. FMR has her faults, but she is trying to prevent Shin's suicide. Surely you can't call that totally selfish!
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 8:59 AM
nodding:: true that!
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM
Yes, I can call it totally selfish. It has been obvious for some time that nothing she has done has changed what is in her notebook, so she really has no clue at all what the effect of all the changes have been. Yet she just keeps on going, and finally in this episode she gets this wake up call that has been apparent for weeks.
So far FMR has admitted to being at least somewhat responsible for her kids death and Shin's death, but the way she attempted to "fix" that has been all wrong from the very start. It was a selfish guilt trip built on bad assumptions.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 4:44 AM
yeah! loved the connection between everyone. The whole "teamwork" thing and Mirae's skillz! If Shin loses his job, Mirae won't need to take two low-paying jobs. Se Joo will hire her.
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bamsa
November 26, 2013 at 10:11 AM
I liked the telepathy scene as well it shows how much they can understand each other, it makes sense in a drama. But, in a real world, why wouldn't they just directly join Shin and Yoo Kyung through ear phones. I know he was on air, but while the camera is switched to Yoo Kyung's side, they can easily put the ear phone in Shin's ear. I like dramas but sometimes I wish they were a bit realistic.
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 4:58 PM
YK has the earphone from the cell phone, Shin has the one from the broadcast truck and they are not connected.
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3 Redge
November 26, 2013 at 4:24 AM
Can't say I'm surprised that Shin kills himself in the future, I believe many of us saw it from episode 1.
Yoo Kyung continues to be the shining light for me in this series. FINALLY after 12 episodes someone calls out FMR for being so selfish and frankly, ruining people's lives and not giving a damn about anything except for her own motives. Honestly she should've been called out a long time ago, maybe if she's realized the negative effects of her meddling sooner I would have sympathy for her but nope. Nada. She is seriously the worst character in this show.
I'm disappointed though that this drama is becoming this year's Big for me. :/
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kdramanut
November 26, 2013 at 4:30 AM
heirs is NOT this year's big?!
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Hana
November 26, 2013 at 4:45 AM
Well to be honest about Heirs though...by episode 1 most expectations were so low that we don't even see it as a drama that could be amazingly planned out but fails (like Big). It's just a drama that's a trainwreck from the beginning, and we all know it but...many of us just can't stop watching it.
Whereas Mi-rae's Choice had so much potential through the beginning but then...
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misskania
November 26, 2013 at 8:26 AM
I'm with you for Heirs. I was excited at the beginning when they announced casting and the final cast members. But then episode 1-2 has shown me enough that I don't need to bother or care much about it. Nothing new in terms of ideas or plot, there. Highschool prince charming-frog princess? Watched that, bored now. For real, though, what's this obsession with highschool anyways?
As for Mirae, up until episode 8, it was the IT drama for me. With all the back story and twist of fate-ness. But then it became bland especially with FMR motives. Now it is all clear, my interest heightens again. I just wish the writer keep with their original idea until the end. Then it would not be the next BIG.
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nomad
November 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM
But with the "nothing changes", I'm kinda afraid it would fall into this canon of K-drama: that fate predetermines everything, it's not a sum of different choices we make along the way. If that's the path this writer takes with Mi-rae…I can't even tell you how disappointed I'd be.
CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM
@ nomad:
So true. But now that everyone knows himself, there is a chance that the future will change. But there is also NO chance whatever that the OTP won't get together.
YK may not be "fated" for SeJoo in the same way Shin and Mirae are fated for each other but YK's/SJ's marriage is part of the timeline and seems to have been a prosperous one. Mirae's and Shin's not so much.
But the drama gods have established what needs to happen for there to be some hope in the Mirae/Shin pairing. Mirae now sees that she has the capacity to become nasty and bitter, Shin now knows he has the capacity to be stubborn enough to destroy himself. This is the sorrow of the Pandora's Box motif. You open the box of "time travel knowledge" and really, all the horrors come out but in the end all that is left at the bottom of the box is hope and you have to cling to hope.
Once one accepts Pandora's Box, there really is no way for you to believe that Mirae and Se Joo could get together as young lovers. In the future on a different timeline, maybe. But not in this one. Which is a shame cause I really really really do like both guys..and I want Future Mirae to have some happiness in her life.
I'm kinda afraid that young Mirae will bring poverty to whoever she marries, though. Even if she's bright and career-minded in this timeline.
zodd
November 26, 2013 at 5:33 AM
If were talking in "quality", yes Heirs is this years big.
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Sara
November 26, 2013 at 10:49 AM
you mean quantity? all i saw were young "hot" stars. nothing else about was intriguing. typical sm produced drama.
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Min
November 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Ummm I don't think SM produced this drama...
MizzEka
November 26, 2013 at 6:54 PM
Totally agree, a lots of quantity, a few good scene, to much arguing that made me wanna skipp till the end.
iamdeb
November 26, 2013 at 8:51 PM
I had really low standards for Heirs so I'm not surprised by how bad it is. Big was just unprecedented disappointment for me (in k-drama land anyway).
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tebz10
November 26, 2013 at 4:36 AM
My thoughts exactly! Thank goodness for Yoo-kyung! While she's trying to make Mirae's life happier, she has stolen Yoo-kyung's happiness.
I wish present Mirae found out about the real story sooner, because that would have been a nice conflict to explore. Although it hasn't happened yet in her timeline, she would have to bear the guilt of knowing that it will happen 20 yrs from now.
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 5:01 PM
If I was married to FMR I would have killed myself long ago :(. She is bitter, selfish, and oblivious to the damage she has done not only to MR but to others.
On the other hand, YK is my hero of the week.
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4 Nanny
November 26, 2013 at 4:29 AM
I think I'm the one person who just hasn't warmed up to Yoo-Kyung at all but I just cant bring myself to like her. And when she says she wouldn't be able to mess with someone's future for her happiness like that I cant believe her because let's face facts, when we see Mi-rae right now we don't think she'd be the type to go back and screw up people's lives either and yet there's Ajumma Mi-rae time traveling to change things.
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seven
November 26, 2013 at 4:40 AM
Is that fact that Mirae will become FMR and come back to meddle preventing you from liking MR? If you're capable of viewing MR and FMR as two separate entities, shouldn't you be able to register YK and FYK as two separate entities? Especially since the MR and YK in this timeline have also undergone changes due to FMR's meddling (in addition to the weathering of time).
You're free to like/dislike whoever you want, with or without reason (because in general, affection does seem to be irrational—see: Mirae towards Sejoo and KS) but I'm not sure your given reasoning makes logical sense.
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Nanny
November 26, 2013 at 5:58 AM
I don't like Mi-rae particularly either at least not the past version that Future Mi-rae talks about who is only defined in relation to Shin. I think I'd like Yoo-Kyung more if we had a Future Yoo-Kyung to compare her with. As of now Yoo-kyung is, personally, inconsistent. I think it may even stem from the fact that she reminds me of Ajumma Mi-rae with her talk of hoping to marry Se-joo to get out of her situation.
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seven
November 26, 2013 at 6:03 AM
All we know about FYK is that she's in control of YBS. On the bright side, I guess her poor family's no longer poor now, and disabled mom can live a comfy life.
She does sort of resemble FMR in the Sejoo situation. I do think that she liked him before that, and although she did seem put off by his chaebol status at first (because he would see her as a gold-digger), but after that, she saw it as a great one stone, two birds situation. What's not to like if you get to be with the person you like AND get out of poverty?
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Nanny
November 26, 2013 at 7:54 AM
I'm rooting for Mi-rae to ditch them both, have Chairman Lee take her on as an apprentice and rule YBS while Se-joo has to start from the roots properly this time and Shin gets bossed around by her and Yoo-kyung gets a writer's job (I liked how Yoo-kyung argued for the family who dressed up for the house makeover). That would be the most awesome choice she could ever make.
CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 4:42 AM
Yeah, I'm not liking her either. But I wonder if it's just because I would rather anyone elsewith Se Joo. The writers slipping in the semi-paralyzed mother seemed a bit too "here, please like her now!" for me. Too late and manipulative a reveal...and although I loved her mom in that small time i saw her, I still kinda groaned. But the mom's appearance is not for my benefit only i guess. So it'll do it's part with Se Joo. Still....
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:18 AM
@Nanny - I did like Yoo-Kyung for a while when she seemed like a self-confident woman going for what she wanted, but she lost me this episode. I agree with you that I can't believe she wouldn't try to take Shin and Se-Joo from Mirae. Are we all forgetting that in one of the earliest episodes, that is *exactly* what she was trying to do when she saw the two of them liked Mirae?
@Carole - We mind-meld again! When I saw the disabled mother and vulnerable younger brother, I literally groaned out loud and said "Come on!" All they need to do at this point is showing her save a small child or old lady, and the Mary Sue-dom will be complete.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 5:33 AM
LOL!
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misskania
November 26, 2013 at 8:30 AM
I think the writer received backlashes also from MR-SJ shippers. I don't know much of it since I don't read Korean news or forums. So, in order to be loved again or loved more, they throw pity factors for Yookyoung. Since nobody roots for her while they (writers) want to pair Sejoo with her, like badly. They just need to get their voice of reasons to be heard and understood.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 10:36 AM
I have no way of knowing this for certain, but I find it very hard to believe the writers would change the story based on MR-SJ shippers. The shooting schedule is so tight, especially with JYH's other activities, that it wouldn't even be practical for them to change things.
SuziQ
November 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM
I guess I was groaning with you. Glad I wasn't the only one. Why did they make her so pititful?Still don't like her with Se Joo. She finally called out FMR, but how do we know how she turned out in the future other than taking over YBS?
I like the cast, but I feel depressed watching it. Mirae is always crying. It seems that the future will not change irregardless.So what is the point of this plot?
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August
November 26, 2013 at 11:20 AM
@ Carole McDonnell
“The writers slipping in the semi-paralyzed mother seemed a bit too “here, please like her now!” for me. Too late and manipulative a reveal…and although I loved her mom in that small time i saw her, I still kinda groaned. But the mom’s appearance is not for my benefit only i guess. So it’ll do it’s part with Se Joo. Still….”
@ Faye
“ – We mind-meld again! When I saw the disabled mother and vulnerable younger brother, I literally groaned out loud and said “Come on!...”
@ Suzi Q
“I guess I was groaning with you. Glad I wasn't the only one.”
I felt the same way as each of you.
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momosa
November 26, 2013 at 3:54 PM
That part on mom, brother & shack really put me off. I kind of recall she drives a jazzy car.
Not saying that you can't drive a nice cute car to look good when your family don't even have decent roof but there's priority if you really so love your family, at least that's what I think.
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atz
November 26, 2013 at 5:11 AM
I so not like Yoo Kyung either and I in fact have a hard time to understand why female viewers like her despite of i do hear what they like about her. She has a mean streak and very flirtatious with men. Though I understand her situation where she feel the need to allure men, some decent women refuse to be one of those flirtatious girls to get what they need to achieve.
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seven
November 26, 2013 at 5:28 AM
Are you really accusing anyone that is flirtatious of being not "decent?" Who exactly are you to be dictating what constitutes a "decent" woman?
In addition, are you really accusing Yoo Kyung of being not "decent?" I honestly can't recall a single instance in which Yoo Kyung has honestly hurt someone. She may have been mean towards Mirae, but Mirae certainly didn't take it to heart, and gave it right back. They're pretty friendly now, and YK even wished her a Happy New Year and luck on her first stint as main writer. She may have mislead Sejoo (and this is probably the most questionable thing she's done), but it was ultimately his choice to throw the party or not. She also felt genuinely bad/conflicted over it, which is more than most stereotypical second females lead do. Doesn't excuse her, but to say that she's a bad person for making a mistake seems like a stretch. She may have snooped in FMR's locker and looked at her diary, but I fail to see how that hurt anyone. If anything, I find it pretty justified, considering all that FMR's been dishing at her. Plus, if all that happened was FMR meddling and none of her pawn pieces ever found out, there would be story.
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seven
November 26, 2013 at 5:29 AM
*there would be no story.
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chickletta
November 26, 2013 at 7:47 AM
I find YK's character the most believable one. She's smart, feisty, worked her way up. Women in Korea use their femininity a.k.a. flirting to get ahead. They are not bad girls, the don't sleep around, but they live in the society where that is a nomr (alhtough it's been changing for a while). She genuinely loves Sejoo. Name one horrible thing that she's done. She's not perfect, of course, but she is real and beleivable. She was always friends with Shin who understood that she is not a bad person. She is also self aware of her 'agyo' use for reporter time. Sometimes I wonder if those who don't like just fall into thte trap of thinking that second female lead must be a bitch. I dont' see that MR, future or present, is any nicer than Mirae. They give her humbler clothes and make her less glamorous, so by default, women like her more. Hating YK is like hating a popular flirattious girl for no ohter reason than her being popular and flirtatious. I'm watching only YK and SJ scenes and sort of speed up through the rest that became ridiculous a long time ago. If they dont' end up together, I will be disappointed. Sejoo and YKay all the way ^^
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atz
November 26, 2013 at 9:30 AM
I honestly do not care much about YK. I no longer follow the drama except its recaps here. Maybe women who think they are more like YK than MR defends her more. I do not have much opinion about YK or those girls. It's just a drama,,, let's see how it ends.
PlumWine
November 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM
I too like that she's feisty, makes some small mistakes that she's feels bad about, worked her way up, and is smart. I think she's pretty realistic. I've given up on shipping any couple because in some way they all work. Personally, I hope both ladies strive for their own futures and let the men chase after them. I realize that Se Joo is trying for Mirae, but I think they make better friends.
Betty
November 26, 2013 at 9:03 AM
Do not fear, you are not the only one not liking Yoo Kyung. I find her boring and while a lot of person seems to find her sincere in her love for SJ, I do not beleive so. Plus she is needy and I really dislike needy characters... grrr I wish she wouldn't end up with SJ. Everybody but her!
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 5:08 PM
I don't see where she has displayed any of the usual signs of the k-drama gold digger. She liked SJ long before she knew he was rich. I don't see why you are calling her "needy", unless we have different definitions of the word. "Needy" to me indicates someone that "needs" things that most people only "want". I am inclined to put her in definition #1, while you put her at #2:
1. Being in need; impoverished. See Synonyms at poor.
2. Wanting or needing affection, attention, or reassurance, especially to an excessive degree
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Betty
November 26, 2013 at 6:07 PM
To begin, I will start by saying that this is MY OPINION which belongs to me and I think I have the right to think whatever I want even if you don't agree with it lol.
Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I didn't see where I said anywhere that she was a gold digger. In case you don't know, not being sincere doesn't automatically mean being a gold digger unless it's what it means for you but hey, you can think what you want.
I don't see why I can't call her needy if this is the vibe I feel from her when seeing her. But maybe am I allowed to think only the same thing as you?!... Maybe I HAVE TO like her because you do...
Also, this is sweet, but I am not really interrested in discussing semantic here but thanks anyway.
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 6:28 PM
Maybe you should calm down a bit?
Betty
November 26, 2013 at 7:02 PM
Oh!!! this time this is an order to behave and not to think just as you?! lol
Ok, I'll stop here coz I am sure I am disrupting the beautiful flow of this thread so this will be my last time replying to you. Anyway take care :)
PS: no hard feelings.
windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 5:03 PM
You sort of have a point - MR and FMR are almost like two totally different people. For one thing, it appears that FMR has lost about 50% of her IQ.
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5 miracleloveuknowfireinlove
November 26, 2013 at 4:34 AM
even i loved u ,mianhae
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6 CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 4:38 AM
Ah, this drama, this drama!
On the one hand, I do like the idea that in order to have Mirae be happy, we are really wanting her to be sad, that -- if choices in the original timeline cannot be unmade-- to seek out the OTP's happiest expression of their love is to commit them and ourselves to accepting the bad-ending-as-good-ending.
It's interesting that the writers have painted us into this corner and unless they totally cheat and fool around with us, it'll be an interesting watch.
If all this time, Mirae has been beating futilely against the wind and some cosmic law that says she cannot change anything, then the only "happy" hope she has for her own future is for Se Joo to be her healing second husband. (Of course this is my bias, and I often get my wish for what might happen mixed up with my guesses. But in this way, Mirae would get a happy ending in both timelines.) After all, Se Joo knows her in this particular timeline. And knowing a chaebol isn't a small thing. Even if he doesn't marry her, he could at least give her a well-paying job after Shin goes all depressed. She wouldn't be bitter with Shin or poor. And no suicide/accident.
But if it's one of those, you've been meddling with some "other person's" life, and there really is no way Current Mirae and Future Mirae are the same person, then Future Mirae will have to return to her own life. Heck, she'll just have to suck it up. Other timeline, other people, none of her business...because even if she changes "their" lives, she will still return to her own unchanged life.
I do wonder how old she'll be when she returns. I mean, what's the use if she's aging so fast. She could be wearing a really gray wig and be on death's door when she goes back to the future.
I do worry about Oppa though. This is where the writers are just tripping me up. I want him alive. Maybe married to Writer Bae, if Writer Bae's husband dies in this accident.
Not sure if the writers are cheating or glitching about the whole consequences/non-consequences to time travel thing. Kinda wish the consequences had been shown of the rescued subway writers...like maybe a fire and the shoulda-been-dead-in-the-fire folks end up dying in a subway accident anyway. They may yet show it but it might be too little too late, and i'm already a bit annoyed with them for not quite knowing when to reveal bits o' information.
I'm really never sure when Future Mirae is lying. Did Aegyo girl really cheat with Shin? Did Aegyo girl really take Se Joo's empire? Why does Future Mirae hate aegyo girl so much? Is it only jealousy of another person's happiness? But why her?
Thanks so much for the recap.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:37 AM
@Carole - I'm also worried about Oppa. I was wondering if he was really a lot sicker than he was letting on.
I might have blocked something out from one of the earlier episodes, but why do you think Se-Joo will be Mirae's second husband? Did they say that somewhere?
Your paragraph about the writers fudging with the consequences of time travel summed up a lot of what has frustrated me about this drama. I thought we were going to get more out of this premise. We *should* have gotten more. There should have been more going on and more repercussions to Future Mirae's actions.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 5:47 AM
Nah, no one said second husband possibility. I'm just going with Future Mirae's (possibly lying) comment about Yoo Kyung. It is possible that Se Joo has bad marrige s well and we'll be seeing old Se Joo and old Mirae doing a lovely romantic late life ahjumma/ahjussi love walk. But of course all this is based on what could be a total lie....and on my desire to get YK out of the picture. So...not really what I would call a purely untainted unbiased assessment of a story, alas. Just me clinging to some far-fetched hope.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:54 AM
Ah, I see. I thought it was a plot point they had actually discussed. Sounds good, anyway :)!
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PlumWine
November 26, 2013 at 11:47 AM
My thought on Aegyo girl getting the fortune is that perhaps in the future, grandma saw that she was capable and that Se Joo was not interested. She may have given it to her.
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 5:13 PM
I am not sure if this is correct or not "some cosmic law that says she cannot change anything..".
That has not really been explained, but this show does seem to have problems with time travel paradoxes, so as others have said also - the writer may have to cheat.
My theory has always been that even if the future IS changed, that FMR in the current time would not see them, as she is no longer part of that future.
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7 Heartoppaya
November 26, 2013 at 4:46 AM
Omg, Shin and Sejoo look so alike. I like that Sejoo and Yookyung have stepped up and are shining better than the leads. I can give pity points for yk now. I like the love story developing between yk and sj, even though I used to hate yk. Mirae is adorable as ever, but Shin is starting to lose his charm. I love the actor, no matter what, but I love sj more than Shin. I'm loving Oppa and Ahjumma mirae more than ever and their interactions are just love love love. Anyhow, I love that everybody are finally coming out of their protective shells. And am I the only one who is shipping mirae with both the lead and the 2nd lead? Especially sj?
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 5:02 AM
Am hoping Mirae gets them both. If I were writing this, that's what I'd do. But this is k-dramaland, I can't think of a time when heroine got both her first OTP and the second lead.
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Thaila
November 26, 2013 at 5:31 AM
Hahahaha same here. I wish she could end up with both leads.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:13 AM
At this point, I feel Mirae would be better off without either of them.
I agree the bloom has gone off the rose for Shin. Have to disagree re Yoo-Kyung - I started to like her in the past few episodes, but now she's turning into a bitter, grade-10 clinger, and it's not attractive.
Opp and Ahjumma for the win, definitely!
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 5:29 AM
Oh gee, come on! Shin is a great character. He seems so lost. That's what I like about him, the little confused lost boy trying to find his way. He is the only character dealing with hearing about his faults and having to change himself. Everyone has told him what is wrong with him. He's now well-aware of his curmudgeonliness, of his priggishness, of his lack of beauty (cause he's getting old and all.) And now he has to deal with the fact that he turns into a sloven, self-pitying, layabout who commits suicide. That's a heckuvalot of self-knowledge to wade through. Poor guy's blasted with "this is what is wrong with you."
The "corrective" judgments poured onto Mirae, aegyo girl, and Se Joo don't even come close! Current Mirae is given a nudge to believe she can do more and is told she can endure. She only finds out about her relentless hateful nagging side in this episode. Aegyo girl is told by the two guys she respects that she is smart. Se Joo is told he's good filmmaker and that folks like him even if he has money.
But poor Shin...you're gonna be ruined because you're an asshole! Not to mention Oppa, Miranda, and everyone else on the team "telling him all about himself" and giving him some comment or other. No wonder Mirae breaks into tears thinking about his emotional pain.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:39 AM
Maybe I am a little harsh on Shin, but I only do so because I really liked him at first, and he's let me down :). Also, the show is setting him up as the big romantic hero - so shouldn't we see more from him? I'm not talking about a 180 turnaround, but if he doesn't change or bend even the tiniest little bit, what was the point of the time travel?
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Newbie
November 26, 2013 at 8:43 AM
Maybe his change will be the climax of the show?
I still love him, for the reasons Carole said. He is so hurt, he learns the truth about himself and his character, which must be very painful. He knows he loves Mi Rae with all his heart and he has to cope with the knowledge how major his failure will be. Not easy for such a proud man.
And now he plans to go away to at least rescue her.
Faye
November 26, 2013 at 10:23 AM
"Maybe his change will be the climax of the show?"
If that happened, I would be very happy. It would really leave me with a much more overall favorable impression of the show.
seven
November 26, 2013 at 5:40 AM
I was honestly under the impression that YK's over/trying to get over/in the process of getting over SJ. I don't know/remember the exact reason for her break, but I'm interpreting it as a breather from Sejoo so that she can start healing. She also seems ready to stop meeting up with him (or at least accepting, if still a bit sad, of it). She's done nothing at all the screams clinger to me, so if I've missed something, it'd be a great help if you could point that out for me. If anyone's a clinger, I'd say it's Se Joo [spoiler deleted - gummi]
On the other hand, Oppa and Ahjumma are great together (brotp) <3 even if FMR gets on my nerves on most other occasions.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:46 AM
@seven - She may not be physically clinging to him, but the fact that she went to his grandmother (last episode, granted), and still thinks of him as "hers," to the point where she's screaming at Future Mirae that she "stole him from her," points that she's still fixated on him.
You'll get no arguments from me about Se-Joo clinging to Mirae. Considering that we're three epsidoes from the end, it's getting a little pathetic. And I say this as someone who likes Se-Joo.
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seven
November 26, 2013 at 5:58 AM
I think her feelings are justifiable, but her claims are definitely based on flawed logic. I can understand her feeling as if Sejoo belongs to her, since she adores him, and more importantly, "originally" had her, although that's clearly not the case in this timeline.
Either way, I'm hoping that with the Miranda and FMR stints, she can properly let go of and get over SJ soon and find someone who can love her properly and accept her love.
CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 5:51 AM
YK does seem to be letting go of SJ....which really annoyed me cause it just makes me think "Darn it! Curse your horrible self-insight YK! The writer is gonna bring you guys together now, isn't she? DARN!!!" Poor YK is sweet but she gets no mercy from me. Not sure why. I should really lighten up on her.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:56 AM
Also, just for future reference, @seven, I believe we aren't supposed to post spoilers in an episode thread. The recapper can correct me if that policy has changed.
Personally, I stay spoiler-free and I'd rather not have known that type of plot point before it airs.
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seven
November 26, 2013 at 6:06 AM
Oh shoot D: Really orry for spoiling you! And hopefully it won't cause too much damage to anyone else. I don't suppose there's an edit or delete button that I can access (probably not; those are pretty visible when they exist). Thanks for future reference though. I won't make that mistake again.
gummimochi
November 26, 2013 at 7:10 AM
No worries, y'all. Still a spoiler-free zone (basically anything beyond the current episode), but thanks for the heads-up!
windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 5:18 PM
I feel the same way. To me, YK has been on the downhill side of all the crap that FMR has put out, plus all the usual sexist crap from way too many others. I am surprised she has not gone rogue long ago. She has never gotten a break, yet I have never seen any sign of her being bitter or vindictive - if anything she just feels sad. :(
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8 Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:10 AM
I can’t believe there are only three episodes left to the show, and instead of focusing on what will happen in the future, the impact of Ajumma Mirae messing with fate, or any of the multitude of interesting plot points a time-travel show could pull off, mostly we just have yet more of the love triangle (or rectangle/square, I suppose, if you include Yoo-Kyoung).
A problem for me is that I’ve come to really dislike the character of Shin. At least Mirae tries to change and improve her life –both as her present and future selves. Not Shin, though! Take, for example, his decision to dump Mirae to prevent “their child’s death.” Instead of leaving her, how about he takes the job and *doesn’t get fired?* Based on Ajumma Mirae’s story, it seems that was due to his intransigence and inflexibility in the first place. The show is too easy on him, IMO, because he’s never regretted or changed his behavior, yet things just keep falling into place for him. He and Mirae manage to reconnect over her having to do the broadcast. But he never apologizes to her for his stupidity, and never reconsiders anything he does. I’ve seen zero growth in his character.
Yoo-Kyung lost me this episode, too. I understand her being upset at Ajumma Mirae, but the girl is delusional. “You stole Se-Joo from me” – you never had him! He’s done everything but take out a full-page ad in the paper telling you he likes Mirae, not you. Even if she missed her original chance to have him fall in love with her at Jeju, they’ve spent enough time together that if he really liked her, he would have pursued a relationship. And rolling my eyes at her self-righeous “I would never have been able to pursue my happiness at the expense of someone else’s like you did garbage.” I’m so sure. As for the disabled mother and younger brother – if you have to trot out plot devices like that to make a character sympathetic, there’s a writing problem there.
Se-Joo is very likeable, but his continued pursuit of Mirae is making me sad.
To include some positive points, I liked the scene of Future Mirae examining her ankle and seeing no injury – it adds some much-needed mystery to the show. Oppa telling Future Ajumma that he was glad she came back was heartwarming. And the real future incident turning out to be Shin’s suicide, not the death of a child, was a nice twist.
Three episodes left – is it too much to hope the show will pull it together and at least give us a great ending?
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 5:40 AM
I'm beginning to think this will be one of my favorite dramas. Especially if it manages to end well. Yep, with all its convenient plotting, crappy pacing, weirdly-placed reveals. Because it has the power to make us all so angry with certain characters while someone else is totally loving those same characters.
And so much of our passion is based on our ideas of "when a character should give up on something" or "intrusiveness" or "if someone belongs to someone simply because of fate and an alternate timeline."
Alas, this is k-drama and when it comes to love, only the four leads ever matter. I'm hoping for great ending as well. And weirdly, I'm trusting the writer.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:44 AM
@Carole - Why was this one of your favorite dramas? What made it so enjoyable for you?
I applaud your optimism, even if I can't share it :).
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 6:06 AM
It's light makjang and dark rom-com. Not too fluffy but not too manipulative. Love between older folks. There is some great feminist subtext. It manages to make the romance factor, the time travel/fate factor, and the workplace career factor all work together in a balanced way. The characters are good hang-out characters. I wouldn't mind them being my friends. It causes different reactions in different viewers. And it pushes the viewer to ask himself some hard questions about the whole fated love trope. It twists us up in knots. Should people who are possibly fated for the best love of their lives, the person they will "love most" be allowed to love each other if that love ends in despair? Come on, how many of us have watched a drama (ahem, flower boy ramyun shop. Ahem, Boys over flowers) and thought: "Darn it, these two deeply love each other but dang, that love is gonna bring a whole lotta heartache down the line...and they love each other too much to divorce!"
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Peridot
November 26, 2013 at 1:34 PM
"Alas, this is k-drama and when it comes to love, only the four leads ever matter." I had to pull out this quote :). How right you are! Why can't there ever be someone outside the four leads. Why can't the mold ever be broken?
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 5:28 PM
It looks like the lines of battle here for discussion are really drawing up on each side of - not the leads - but YK.
I have a completely different take on YK than you do. Not once in the show up to now have I seen her display any of the usual gold digger, evil witch, rival from hell, or any of the other usual k-drama signs or tropes associated with Big Meanies. She has done her best given the circumstances to survive in a world of misogynists who look on her more as some hot chick than as a competent reporter.
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9 checkinout
November 26, 2013 at 5:23 AM
You know you really don't like a character when the first reaction upon hearing that his character will kill himself by stepping onto oncoming traffic is appall at his complete self-absorption - at least jump off a bridge or something instead of endangering the lives of innocent car drivers/passengers...
le sigh...
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seven
November 26, 2013 at 5:31 AM
This is a hilarious comment, but I don't think polluting the river with a carcass is a good idea either.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 5:42 AM
LOL! oh gee! You guys! Stop making me laugh this early in the morning. I must remember to not be drinking my tea when I read some of these posts...tea coming out of one's nose is never good thing.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 5:31 AM
LOL!
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August
November 26, 2013 at 7:34 AM
Thank you :) I needed a good laugh!
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DayDreamer
November 26, 2013 at 3:54 PM
My reaction was more like, "Geez...this writer sure loves automobile accidents." First, it was Shin rear-ending Mirae. Then it was Shin rear-ending Yoo Kyung. Then the baby died by a car and finally, Shin committed suicide by getting hit by a car. Some variation would have been nice, eh?
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August
November 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM
Yes, you are absolutely correct - variating from car accidents would have been nice.
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 5:32 PM
And getting hit by a car is not very sure fire anyway. He should have jumped off a big building, into an unoccupied area so nobody gets hurt. I take issue with that whole scenario anyway, but if he is gonna do it, do it right. :)
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10 docster6
November 26, 2013 at 5:26 AM
I have been shipping Se-Joo since the first episode. My 15-year old daughter and I watched "You Are Beautiful" and we felt "Sin-Woo" got ripped off then. I want Se-Joo to win a girl for a change with his tender-love style. I want the nice guy to win for once. After his confession was rejected (or kicked to the curb as he said in this episode), he did ask Mirae if she likes the "bad-boy" type of men. Sadly to say, there are too many women today who prefer that type of guy. I am glad my wife of 38 years chose me, a boring type of hero (doing laundry, washing dishes, changing diapers).
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 5:43 AM
It's always nice to see a male perspective on the board! If it makes you feel better, there's at least one poster here who likes decent guys :). Congrats on 38 years of marriage!
I also like Se-Joo, but I feel that he deserves someone who likes him as much as he likes them. That's not Mirae; her heart is elsewhere. He deserves better than to be a second choice. I don't like Yoo-Kyung for him either, though.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 6:13 AM
Oh gee. Yes, he deserves someone who loves him the same way he loves her. BUT love can always grow. Love isn't this static thing. Aren't some folks hoping for his love for YK to grow as well? When should we give up on love?
YK is trying to give up, everyone is trying to give up now. Except SJ. I like that. Why give up on the possibility of getting the one you love to love you?
Also, re: second choice. Yes, he is her (possible) second choice now. But Shin dies, and now (after she's done her grieving), isn't SJ now Future Mirae's first choice? Is there such a thing as loving some old friend after a bad marriage? Then it would be your second chance at love...and a love just as deep as a first choice.
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Annie
November 26, 2013 at 6:49 AM
Do we have any indication that future MR had any sort of interest in future SJ? In her world, her choice of husbands is Shin and not-Shin. And what happens to future YK, who is probably alive and kicking?
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 7:13 AM
no indication at all. Just Future Mirae in current time wanting SeJoo instead of Shin. Not sure if she even knew him personally in her own timeline. Just dreaming....one can dream.
Faye
November 26, 2013 at 8:23 AM
@Carole - I know love isn't always mutual right away, and I have no problem with one person pursuing another. But at a certain point, when you've not only been subtle but outright revealed your feelings and been rejected . . .and you know the other person likes someone else . . .it's just kind of sad.
"Why give up on the possibility of getting the one you love to love you?"
Because when you reach a certain point, if you keep pushing your attentions on someone who doesn't want them, it's really more about what you want, not them.
To be clear, I like Se-Joo and Mirae considers him a good friend. But past a point it feels counterproductive.
As for them meeting up at a later date in life, that's a whole other story.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 9:21 AM
I agree but it doesn't quite feel counter-productive yet. Counter-productive would mean he is working against his own cause. So far, not really. He's at a stand-still outside Mirae's heart but he's not really falling behind even if we the viewer are getting tired of the repetition.
And consider:
1) Se Joo still doesn't trust that people aren't using him. This is the first woman (he thinks) who has loved him for himself. This is the woman who saw his heart in his film. For all of YK's love, she hasn't really shown that she sees the sadness of his heart or acknowledged his skill which is what he wants. No one has acknowledged his skills in anything yet. Not even Miranda.
2) Se Joo is aware that Mirae's heart is on a guy who (he thinks) loves her but will not take her. HE's quite willing to be a rebound.
I understand the ability to step aside. Lawyer Cha did that in I Hear Your Voice. But even then, he still loved the heroine.
And really Shin HAS stepped aside. Several times. As best can be expected. He keeps stepping aside, he keeps saying he wants friendship but stuff happens and what's in his heart pops out. But heck, she's his friend and she's always in his environment. Hard to keep his resolve. YK and Shin both understand that in order to keep love at bay you need to keep away from the person you love. YK takes a day off, Shin leaves. Mirae and SJ are in close proximity, how can he not hope even if he doesn't want to hope? Only way to deal with love is to fire her maybe.
3) The inability to give up on the pursuit is what makes a good lover. And a good sign of a good chaebol. He wants to earn Mirae's love. I think i'd feel it is a cheap kind of love if he gives up before the next episode. Unwritten rule of second lead love: The heroine cannot be so easily gotten over.
DayDreamer
November 26, 2013 at 4:17 PM
YK is trying to give up, everyone is trying to give up now. Except SJ. I like that. Why give up on the possibility of getting the one you love to love you?
YK giving up is better than her being clingy and throwing away her pride. She clearly sees that she has no hope whatsoever for attaining Se-joo's affections so she backed down rather than making a fool of herself. She knows she has lost the battle and has conceded to it.
Se-joo on the other hand hasn't given up on Mirae despite it being evident that she has no romantic feelings for him. But I won't say he's clingy because he actually has reasonable hopes for attaining Mirae's affections because he sees that Shin has cast Mirae away and that Mirae is not holding onto him. So in a way, he actually has a chance, something YK doesn't have. Of course, since Shin-Mirae is the endgame, Se-joo will eventually give up just like Yoo Kyung did, at the realization that he really won't be able to capture Mirae's heart.
Shin is also giving up but it's kinda obvious that he will have a turnaround. I'm wholly expecting him to charge ahead with his real feelings and fight for his and Mirae's future happiness.
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August
November 26, 2013 at 8:45 AM
I really like Park Se-Joo as well and it has been hard watching MHIYD episode after episode knowing the writer has not left any doubt that "romantically" Mi-rae only pines for and has eyes for Kim Shin.
So why have FMR even come to the present to give PMR the opportunity to live a better life and the chance to prevent/avoid following down the same path?
I know that many will say that she has experienced personal and career growth. Believe me, I am glad that MHIYD captured this aspect of Mi-rae's life in the new timeline.
But why even pretend that the drama was about a chance to choose a different husband? This is a disservice to viewers.
Unfortunately, I think that Mi-rae's attraction to Kim Shin irregardless of his hot/cold behavior and push/pull antics toward her exists because on a basic subconscious level Kim Shin reminds her of the only male relationship she has been exposed to in her life - through her Oppa. Hence the total obliviousness to the love (Agápe, Éros, and Philia) constantly offered by Se-Joo.
Today many possibilities abound for how love starts, develops, and changes throughout life.
Friends before Lovers...Friends with Benefits?
Mutual respect, attraction, and friendship is a good foundation for a "romantic" relationship. Because when times are good - they're good - but when things go awry and become bad - that's something that you can't take lightly and it matters who the other person is in the relationship.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 9:28 AM
Hear, hear! (Or is it, "here, here!"?)
Yes, Mirae has no chance. It's a k-drama. And the "choice" of making Mirae and all the lovers in this drama be so focused on ONE sole love definitely takes away the tension...and much of the believability. I was hoping to see more complications between all four leads, and to have the feeling that any pairing was possible. ...well, any hetero-pairing. I got kinda sad when i realized the drama was pretty much pre-ordained.
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DayDreamer
November 26, 2013 at 4:23 PM
Well, ever since the promotional material had been circulating, it was intended that Shin-Mirae was endgame no matter what, wasn't it? Or was it not promoted like that?
This drama is rather inconsistent. It played with the love square for so many episode when really it should have been about Shin and Mirae changing themselves to better their future while falling in love because Se-joo and Mirae were just never meant to be and no amount of Se-joo chasing after Mirae was going to detract from that.
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 5:49 PM
I think the writer could not decide which way to go, and in fact still has not. And it is possible that with the very low ratings this show has been getting that the script changed from what was originally planned, but not consistently.
Faye
November 26, 2013 at 10:35 AM
@August - I agree the show has pulled a bait-and-switch of sorts. It did seem as if there was going to be some kind of conflict wherein present Mirae would re-evaluate her choice of spouse. But that is not the story we saw on screen for a single minute. She didn't waiver from her feelings for Shin at all, no matter how nice Se-Joo was or how assy Shin acted. And that is not going to realistically change. So to keep seeing Se-Joo trying to pursue her when there are only three episodes left makes me feel cheated as a viewer. Maybe it's because I like the character of Se-Joo, and I want him to be something other than a plot device to show how irretrievably, fatalistically bonded Shin and Mirae are.
Carole and I had a discussion a few episodes back about different types of love and marriage. I absolutely agree that mutal respect, admiration, friendship etc., even in the absence of "grand passion," can be a great basis for a relationship. That is how my own marriage begin. So I'm not against Se-Joo and Mirae being together at all - IMO, he'd be a much better choice than Shin, given how unyielding Shin has been. However, after 13/16 episodes of seeing Se-Joo try and try and get shot down every time, it's kind of painful to see it keep happening. I can't help thinking of Freud's definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting different results.
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August
November 26, 2013 at 11:39 AM
@ Faye - What can I say...with MHIYD I am guilty as charged..."Insane in the Membrane" for the pairing of Mi-Rae & Se-Joo.
I love watching and anticipate the scenes with Mi-rae and Se-Joo. But at the same time I dread them…because I know that I am constantly making a fool of myself/setting myself up for punishment when the endgame/final scenes will be Mi-rae and Kim Shin paired together.
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 1:10 PM
@August - I hope it did not seem like I was critizing you for keeping on the good ship Se-Joo and Mirae - not my intention! I was just explaining why, for me, it's sailed :).
By the way, love your song references here and lower down in the thread - you introduced me to a new artist!
August
November 26, 2013 at 2:11 PM
@ Faye
I didn't take it as criticism.
Right now, the fighting song for Mi-Rae & Se-Joo shippers :) should be and what we should be listening to:
"WHITE FLAG" by DIDO
I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be...
After Episode 16 airs and Mi-rae and Kim Shin reunite, I will be listening to:
"ONLY IN MY DREAMS" by DEBBIE GIBSON
I remember how it used to be...
No, only in my dreams
As real as it may seem
It was only in my dreams...
Couldn't see how much I missed you (now I do)
Couldn't see how much it meant
Now I see my world come tumbling down
(tumbling down my world)
Now I see the road is bent
Same Topic/Different Kdrama - I remarked on the Heirs Episode 13 recap:
Every Wednesday & Thursday I look forward to watching Heirs and for some reason I always think of Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit” video with Kurt Cobain’s voice singing:
“…bring your friends
It’s fun to lose and to pretend
She’s over bored and self assured
Oh no, I know a dirty word…
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious…
I’m worse at what I do best
And for this gift I feel blessed
Our little group has always been
And always will until the end…
To me this sums up why people either love or hate Heirs and the actions of Choi Young-Do’s character.
Faye
November 26, 2013 at 3:21 PM
@August -You win the thread today with that Dido song. "I will go down with this ship" -ha! Perfect!
windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 5:55 PM
That is actually an Albert Einstein quote :)
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August
November 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM
What can I say…Se-Joo and Mi-rae had me at the beginning with the “Swimming with Nemo” on the beach and "Blanket & Candy" scenes. :)
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DayDreamer
November 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Technically, I love me a bad boy. Love the devil-may-care attitude and total defiance of societal rules. In reality, however, I prefer to have a safe, boring type of guy because I don't think I can deal with the drama that comes hand in hand with bad boys. I like a guy I can cook dinner with, calmly watch tv with, and just have an endearing quiet relationship with. Leave the bad boys only for the fantasies, lmao.
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11 Houstontwin
November 26, 2013 at 5:47 AM
There is one theory of the future that says that every possible path that might have been taken is a separate future. In other words, countless futures exist. This theory would fit in with older Mirae's unchanged future.
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sixtyeightmonkey
November 26, 2013 at 8:24 AM
Yeah, I have a feeling that may be the case. I believe FMR's diary has not changed, nor has a scar appeared on her leg, because the young Mi-rae who turned into her no longer exists. She has altered the course of present Mi-Rae's future, but her own trajectory has already been played out. Perhaps we may see the same actress in the last episodes as the actual future Mi-rae of the YEH version of Mi-rae we have now, based on no-longer-in-existence FMR's manipulations.
Does that make sense?
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM
I've been hoping that most of the last episode will take place in the future. Will see.
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12 frustated
November 26, 2013 at 6:00 AM
it's official, the writer kill the drama !!! too much frustation .this writer does not just want to kill the ratings, viewers, web viewers ,all the cast , yoon eun hye career, lee dong gun come back and career , kbs network , she's crazy how this person can writes something , that she can writes her name correctly .I doubt.
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13 Bonnie
November 26, 2013 at 6:45 AM
I'm beginning to think that this is more like a parallel world rather than a leap back into the past, like Quantum Leap. So whatever FMR does in this world doesn't affect what happens in her world. In this world, MR chose to work and pursue her dreams rather than be married to a man of her dreams.
Anyway, feeling that this drama is getting a little draggy and frustrating that I prefer to watch Empress Ki.
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14 Petitedov
November 26, 2013 at 6:47 AM
One of the best parts of the show is the connection between Shin and Mirae - and I really think, for the most part,the show dropped the ball in portraying the sweet little moments that make one root for them as a couple - that's why the last scene of Shin & Mirae is so wonderful and makes me so happy to see (more of that show! Less angst & stupid sub-plots - how many times does Se-joo need to confess his love & support for M.?! ). In fact that's why the show's ratings are so low - I think there is a failure to emotionally connect to the characters, they talk a lot but there is very little emotional connection.
At the beginning I loved the time travelling angle but now it kind of bores me to tears because instead of mystery and suspense all I have is a lot of questions (why is she calling out the dude in black when he was chasing her last time?) The pacing of the show is just off - we are getting to the end but it feels like the middle instead. Saying all that I love watching Yoon Eun-hye - she is so engaging and for that matter the actress who plays Yoo-kyung is great too.
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Petitedov
November 26, 2013 at 7:10 AM
All those flashbacks or dressing as a Princess and Darth Vader for example. Honestly, they dropped the ball on showing why Mirae loves Shin so much and discounts Se-joo when she has had many more interactions with Se-joo.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 7:22 AM
So true. Definitely problem when heroine spends so much time with second lead. I kinda connect with the characters though. Whatever the combination, they all seem like fully developed people dealing with each other. Mirae and YK, YK and SJ, SJ and Shin, Shin and YK, Shin and Mirae, Shin and SJ. I feel their reality. And although the amount of time each OTP spends with each other is rare, that little time does have a lot of staying power with me. The Darth Vader/Princess scene still resonates. As does the SJ saving Mirae scene. Both are equally powerful with me.
Which might be the blessing and the curse of this drama...at least for me. Mirae could go with either of the guys....and really..kinda should. But this is me being piggy and wanting her to have a happy life. I think there are a coupla k-movies out there where there is a first love and a second love, after the first one dies. Those are usually young characters and sometimes amnesia is involved (not time travel.) But still...am hoping for that.
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August
November 26, 2013 at 11:44 AM
Like the famous phrase "You had me at hello!"
What can I say…Se-Joo and Mi-rae had me at the beginning with the “Swimming with Nemo” on the beach and “Blanket & Candy” scenes. :)
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kellyldramas
November 26, 2013 at 11:32 AM
I think you hit the nail on the head. There is definitely a failure to connect with the characters. Personally, I think the writer wrote herself into a hole and didn't know how to give up but since these dramas are shot so close to showing them on tv you cant change things.
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DayDreamer
November 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM
I agree about the lack of emotional connection but for me, it was more centered on FMR. I felt like if the drama showed a lot more future scenes of Mirae struggling with Shin, I would understand and feel for FMR rather than perceiving her as an aggravating entity.
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15 Lyla
November 26, 2013 at 6:51 AM
I am pretty sure things between Mi Rae and Shin will work out at the end.
But what worries me it is that we don't have many episodes to make Se Joo turn around and end up with his destined one: Yoo Kyung. I am bias. Yes. But you got to admit she's awesome. And I wouldn't like last minute change of heart. I know he cares for her, enough to seek her out, now I need to see him fall in love with Yoo Kyung and not just because Mi Rae is no longer an option.
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chickletta
November 26, 2013 at 8:02 AM
Amen. I ship YK and SJ together. Mirae and Shin have great chemistry. Please show, get it right
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16 esjpx
November 26, 2013 at 7:13 AM
I've liked Se Joo for the most part but I got to admit he got boring once he came out of the chaebol closet. I'm not sure I want a Se Joo Yoo Kyung endgame anymore.
I wish writers stopped wasting time on the love triangle, it's pretty clear that Shin and Mirae love wach other. Forcing Se Joo as the other option just seems contrived at this point.
Pretty sure Ahjumma was lying to Miranda about Se Joo and Yoo Kyung. Or maybe not lying, but saying it in a way that made it seem like poor Se Joo was helpless under his wife's tyranny. Ahjumma's behaviour towards Yoo Kyung, and the way she talks about her to other people it's the typical way jealous people talk. Like why does she have everything while I'm miserable. It was also in the part of the diary that Yoo Kyung read, Mirae was all like "look at dis fox clinging onto him I h8 her". I for one am glad that Present Mirae won't turn out to be like that, so I guess I have to be grateful to Ahjumma for that.
Anyway this drama lost me at the cancer thing... blah, I'm just going to finish it because there's only 3 eps left.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 7:31 AM
yes the envy/jealousy thing is pretty troubling. I'm pretty wary about what Future Mirae says.
If she chose a husband who she loved and who was bad for her and who destroyed her life, it's too bad. If Mirae had continued in that old job and lived the sad life she was going to live, then I can see how petty and jealous she could become, allowing envy to latch onto Yoo Kyung.
Life is a funny thing, though. I suspect if the old Mirae had seen how sad YK's life had been, had seen YK's poverty and trials and how YK had to play aegyo girl for rich men...or if old Mirae had seen YK's mother's disability, she probably (hopefully) wouldn't have been so envious. She would've thought YK "deserved" the rich husband. But when you don't know the secret or past sorrows of someone who seemingly has it all --compared to you-- then you envy them unjustifiably. I think perhaps it should've been Mirae who saw the disabled mother instead of SeJoo.
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 6:02 PM
I think FMR has been lying about a LOT of things to Miranda to serve her own agenda. I suspect you are right about FMR being jealous, and it has not served anyone well. She has messed up a lot more than she has fixed. If she had stopped at the first part where she got MR to get out of the call center cubicle, I could buy it - but she has just gone too far ever since.
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17 Nic
November 26, 2013 at 7:34 AM
My favourite character is still Yoo Kyung (I think I might be the only one left though)! Yes, maybe she came across as feeling a bit entitled to Se Joo when she accused FMR of stealing him away from her, but regardless of her flaws, she is one of the most honest, forward and human characters in the show and such a refreshing 2nd lead female. I hope she ends up happy, whether that means she gets SJ or not.
Regarding FMR, if Oppa did originally die of his disease (cancer?), then hers & KS' child died AND then KS died, it doesn't surprise me that FMR felt desperate enough to go back and try to change everything without really thinking of how it might affect other people, considering that arguably the three most important people in her life have all died.
And lastly, I'm wondering whether there could be another, different "water" moment that might make SJ realise how awesome YK is ('cos she is ;)), mirroring the interview we saw a glimpse of in the original timeline of the reason he fell in love with her. Then again, he really is so fixated on MR that I don't know if I can see them getting together believably in the end.
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Dayreamer
November 26, 2013 at 7:41 AM
I like Yoo Kyung too. I did kinda groan that they brought in a disabled mom and poor household for her...but it was her unapologetic attitude about her conditions that kept me from rolling my eyes. Otherwise, I think she's a pretty sweet person, knowing when to give up and keep her pride. I also ship Se Joo and Yoo Kyung but it doesn't seem like it will happen considering the end is almost near and Se Joo is still attached to Mirae. But yeah...YK is a cool person, very much flawed but still grounded in reality.
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chickletta
November 26, 2013 at 7:54 AM
OMG, you must be my twin sister (or brother?). I have the exact same thoughts about YK that I expressed somewhere above in reply to someone -can't remember who it was. YK - yes the most refreshing and believable character. She and SJ are so good together. I love them together from the 'napkin' moment, and I've been watching only their scenes in full, others I'm speeding through. I was also thinking that there must be another water moment for him to understand who the one is. Fighting Sejoo and YKyung. I hope ohter girls don't hate simply because she is gorgeous and flirtatious. She has many other awesome qualities. Do you know what it means to be an older sister to a brother in Korea and having a disabled mother? it means that she must have been a bread winner forever. And in spite of all of that, always cheerful, only showing her tear to Sejoo. Flirting to keep her job and feed her family? That's not a crime, it's a sacrifice
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Ging
November 26, 2013 at 8:01 AM
That's why I love her character so much and the actress who plays her gives her depth and many layers. She's not some backseat, obnoxious 'second lead' lady. She totally outshines YEH as Mi Rae. At least to me. A lot can happen in 3 more episodes. SJ and YK may not be literally together by the end, but they can hint at it big time. Maybe go back to that napkin scene-probably one of the best scenes in this whole drama.
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Petitedov
November 26, 2013 at 10:08 AM
While it felt a bit gimmicky- the poor disabled family scene, it does add to how important it was for YK to have gone on that vacation where she could have potentially met SJ. As others have said, more layers for her character.
She mentions early on how she hasn't had a vacation in seven years. I remember that remark irritated me in the beginning - pity party for one much? - but now it makes me feel even worse knowing her circumstances, realizing just how important it was for her coming from an impoverished background. It also added depth to one of my favorite scenes with her, when she interviews the family who had their apartment re-decorated.
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hi
November 26, 2013 at 9:39 PM
I hope Han Chae Ah receive main role. she is good at acting why they put her only in second Lead.
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Nic
November 27, 2013 at 2:13 AM
Exactly! :) It has been made clear that she is uncomfortable with the "flirting" she is expected of in her line of work, but she perseveres due to the worry her career will be taken away from her (unfairly) if she tries to break the mould her senior's have forced her in.
I actually read a comment somewhere an episode or two ago slut-shaming her (literally, the word used was 'slutty') and I couldn't believe how old fashioned and sad it was that it is acceptable to view female characters that way. Even if YK enjoyed the flirting with male colleagues (which it is canon that she doesn't), it still wouldn't mean she is a bad person!
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 6:08 PM
Nah, you are not the only one - YK is my favorite character in this whole mess. BTW, on another site there seems to be a difference of translation of that "stole" part, more like sabotaged.
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Nic
November 27, 2013 at 2:08 AM
Ooh I see, that makes even more sense!
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18 Dayreamer
November 26, 2013 at 7:36 AM
I don't know where to start with this drama. It has totally lost me in its hodge-podgeness. First off, the time-travelling makes me smack my forehead in exasperation. If FMR is now looking for changes in her diary, shouldn't she have done that the moment she averted Mirae's accident that had started the original timeline?? I mean, I thought the diary changes should've happened right from the beginning but when it didn't for like twelve episodes, I figured, as someone once commented, that because she was stuck in the past for the time being, she can't get feedback from the future. After finally forcing my mind to wrap around that idea, the show decides to tell me that the diary should have changed but didn't? What the. I can't even think of why and I get the feeling the show won't bother to flesh that out either, considering its track record of not establishing any proper rules thus far.
Aside from that, why would Shin dying after their child died be the last straw that makes FMR go back in time to prevent their marriage? Was falling in love the cause of both their misery? No. It was Shin's stubborness and Mirae's lack of credentials that put both of them in a downward spiral of depression. Current Mirae has overcome her hurdles already; she got her dream job and grew a spine. Shin doesn't seem to have changed much in that he's still a bit inflexible but the current Shin also seems like he's capable of overcoming odds unlike the future Shin that FMR seems to be claiming was a depressed couch potato. I mean, didn't Shin remain stubborn in wanting to present facts only but he managed to do so in such a way that was marketable as Miranda always wanted? If he's capable of that, then his inflexibility might have not been such a big problem. In the end, I fail to see why Mirae needed to go back and thus I can no longer sympathize with her (not that I did for the past 8 episodes or so). If her marriage was in shambles, she should've worked on it with Shin instead of taking such an easy and selfish route of preventing their marriage. She could've also divorced Shin.
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Ging
November 26, 2013 at 7:58 AM
They are really dodgy with the concept of time travel in this drama. All plot convenience. Yeah, TT can be crazy, but it does follow a certain set of rules.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 8:03 AM
Ah gee, forgive the hodgepodgeness. I find myself forgiving a lot of the silliness in these episodes because weirdly this drama still has my good will. Lord knows why but I really am inexplicably able to cut it a lotta slack.
I also thought the diary-as-guide thing was weird. I'd grown to accept that she kept it with her to jog her memory. NEVER EVER EVER thought she actually believed changes in time would be manifesting in her body or in said dairy and then suddenly...wow, she needs to go back to time-cop to get advanced training on time travel? After being vetted and schooled in her other time experiments, you mean she missed the lecture they gave on how the thing actually pans out in real time?
Not sure if Mirae is the divorcing type. Not sure if older hard-working ahjummas in bad marriages in k-dramas or in 2024 --or even the older Korean women watching this drama in Seoul-- divorce their crappy husbands. Maybe us wanting her to divorce him is a western idea, or our age. I suspect men divorce their older (good) wives way more easily than wives divorce their bad husbands. Women can be doggedly faithful like that.
I wish someone would bring up the idea to Future Mirae, though. We need more older women divorcing their husbands in k-dramas.
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misskania
November 26, 2013 at 8:39 AM
That's my point of view, actually. The same with yours. I try to think that FMR is an old fashioned woman who sticks to her husband no matter what. Even after they were long passed. My mom did that, she never remarries even when my dad passed since their marriage was only 10 years. Now all the children had grown, still she has no intention. That is for real. Asian or not, there are women who do that. So, I can relate to what FMR is doing. But then again her motive to change fate by marrying another man, richer one, is a spit on a face to her former belief. Of course, if you are knee deep in money problems and on the verge of depression, you can do unthinkable things.
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 9:42 AM
Thanks. If love stories about older married women in bad marriages are written FOR older married women in bad marriages, it is possible the writers will give us an ending which aligns with fantasies these women have: meeting your old love -- the great might-have-been-- and having a happy end of life. Isn't that why so many married people get in touch with their old flames on social media?
Trouble is in the other timeline, SeJoo and Mirae didn't know each other. So FMR did the best she could do with her limited imagination and huge self-pity: she envied the supposedly wonderful fairytale romance of some rich celebrity chaebol couple...and she took that fantasy and returned to bring it to life. Not sure that we should try to live on our fantasies.
Also so many of these dramas seem to be affected by lack of moral courage mixed with the desire to please some aspect of their audience the drama may not be written for. Stories are about exploring our fantasies and their implications. Unfortunately, some writers either don't know the themes their writing about or (which is more likely in this case) they just don't have the committment to go through with the implication of their themes.
So darn it. Future Mirae is stuck either way.
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DayDreamer
November 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM
Carole, it's totally fine to like the drama despite its flaws. I have a drama like that too. So yeah, I don't think any less of you for liking this show, lol.
But anyways....this is dramaland. Divorce can happen if the writer so choose it. No need to stick with realism....I mean, there's a time machine, for pete's sake. ;)
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Faye
November 26, 2013 at 8:30 AM
"Aside from that, why would Shin dying after their child died be the last straw that makes FMR go back in time to prevent their marriage? Was falling in love the cause of both their misery? No. It was Shin’s stubborness and Mirae’s lack of credentials that put both of them in a downward spiral of depression."
I was trying to make this exact point earlier, and I wish the show would address it somehow. The problem was never that Shin and Mirae fell in love, and it wasn't even that Mirae didn't have as many professional opportunities in the first iteration. It's Shin! He was the one who was so stubborn that he would rather have been fired from his job than swallow his pride a little and support his family. And even after, rather than be a little flexible and try another broadcasting job, or look into some other opportunities, he'd rather just sit on the couch and wallow in his misery than compromise one iota.
And under those circumstances, Ajumma Mirae could travel through time over and over, and Current Mirae could change what she does, and the outcome still won't improve for Shin. Until he is an active participant in evolving, even a little, things will always end badly for him.
I wish we could see him have even one little "a-ha!" moment that would inspire him to do something productive - other than the noble idiocy of dumping Mirae.
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DayDreamer
November 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM
Well said! And totally agree with you. Shin is the one that needs to change but instead of facing his problems head on, he's escaping right now. So the future can't change...Shin will most likely become ruined whether Mirae is by his side or not and will commit suicide. FMR should have realized that instead of trying to break her own marriage.
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 6:25 PM
I thought that noble idiocy part was just that - idiotic. Rather than change a bit into more of a human being, he just dumps her. Yeah, that makes sense. :| I have kind of lost all faith in Shin to do the right thing.
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loveprevails
December 4, 2013 at 4:51 AM
Exactly! He is still being him and hasn't made any improvement.
It's like the 'so called future' that FMR dreads has been brought forward.
Though the environment is different but present Mirae is still the one 'doing' everything (again) and Shin is being what he was in the future - running away, not wanting to change his ways, don't want to change the parts that are detrimental to him - he rather escapes it by being self absorbed instead of biting the bullet and evolve.
His noble sacrifice is not impactful because of his lack of personal changes. It's more like he's taking the easy way out, the easier solution rather then choosing to be a better person and fighting for their love.
For me, the writer has butchered the character.
Oh well... :)
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 6:20 PM
I think you echo a lot of peoples feelings. While I can somewhat connect with a couple of people in the drama, the plot just seems to change at random.
And so many of the setups are just stupid - as someone said in another thread, k-dramas tend to take the Rube Goldberg approach to dramas - and this one has done it in spades.
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19 Ging
November 26, 2013 at 7:55 AM
I gave up on this drama a while back, I wanted to stick it out because I really like Lee Dong Gun, but it bored me to pieces and couldn't stand this meddling future Mi Rae. But I like reading your thorough recaps. I feel like I didn't miss a thing. I also really like Yoo-kyung. Han Chae Ah is such a terrific underused actress-as in, they never give her the lead roles. That needs to change big time.
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20 Jeannie
November 26, 2013 at 8:10 AM
I really hope FMR's effort will not go to waste. Yes, she may not change any reality in her future realm but I think she has certainly changed many things in for Mirae's current world. Even though she cannot change anything for herself, she can prevent the same predicament from happening.
And although I know it is near impossible, but seeing that Mirae actually dated Sejoo in ep 14 gives me hope that they might end up together.
I still cannot really understand Yookyung. It seems like the writer is trying to make us sympathize with her but is she really worth our sympathy? Doesn't she have an ulterior motive too?
I guess I feel sorry for Shin. I still think he didn't choose to hurt Mirae simply because he learnt of his death. I think that he doesn't want Mirae to feel sad when he dies and he wants Mirae to have a company. He doesn't want Mirae to live a miserable life and thus he chose not to reveal his heart to her.
Argh, although we should bless Shin and Mirae since both of them like each other. If they sincerely love each other, they could overcome all the future predicament if they already knew it. BUT how can we forget that Sejoo is always there for Mirae? Thus, since I like Jung Yong Hwa more, I still hold that small hope that he will end up together with Mirae. I still don't really like Yookyung and so I hope Sejoo will NOT end up with Yookyung.
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August
November 26, 2013 at 9:23 AM
@ Jeannie
"Argh, although we should bless Shin and Mirae since both of them like each other. If they sincerely love each other, they could overcome all the future predicament if they already knew it. BUT how can we forget that Sejoo is always there for Mirae?"
Exactly!
I love watching and anticipate the scenes with Mi-rae and Se-Joo. But at the same time I dread them...because I know that I am constantly making a fool of myself/setting myself up for punishment when the endgame/final scenes will be Mi-rae and Kim Shin together :(
What can I say...Se-Joo and Mi-rae had me at the beginning - "Swimming with Nemo" on the beach scenes. :)
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21 August
November 26, 2013 at 10:02 AM
Recently with watching Park Se-Joo continue to pursue Mi-Rae, lyrics from the following song always comes to mind:
"Lose To Win" by Fantasia
I loved you for your inner, inner, inner...
Have you ever needed someone so bad...
Sometimes you gotta lose to win again.
If it makes you cry, cry, cry...
Can’t get no sleep at night
Sometimes you gotta lose to win again.
Ever felt this sorry? All you did was worry
You didn’t want nobody, thought it would get better
But it’s falling more than
Oh it’s falling more than ever
I just hoped that we would...
Maybe it’ll take someone else, to show me better
But I don’t wanna leave ya
Oh, yeah.
Some of you know what it feels like
Caught up just in his life
Don’t wanna try again, thinking what’s the difference?
Why am I not interested?
Cause when you’ve been broken, you feel like no one can fix it
Yeah
(Oh, oh, whoa)
(Oh, sometimes you got to lose, you got to lose, to win again, yeah)
Hey!
Have you ever needed someone so bad? (have you ever?)
(so bad yeah)
To make it last
Sometimes you gotta lose to win again (Sometimes you gotta lose to win again)
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CaroleMcDonnell
November 26, 2013 at 10:09 AM
Argh, woman! You just made me stop working on my WIP to go look up this song on youtube. Once i'm on youtube, it takes me ages to return to work and reality.
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22 August
November 26, 2013 at 10:06 AM
What song should Na Mi-Rae familiarize herself with like statim?
“I Wish I Wasn’t” by Heather Headley
What song was Se-Joo probably listening to while walking along the beach (seashore) reflecting on his memories with Mi-Rae?
“In My Mind” by Heather Headley
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23 coco
November 26, 2013 at 10:56 AM
I wish future mi-rea had told the truth to her present self instead of telling Shin everything. I know she was trying to stop him from pursuing a romantic relationship with mi-rea, but now it's just awkward and I don't think they can ever truly be happy together knowing the truth. I don't know how mi-rea went back to work. I would not be able to face shin if it was me especially because he knew the truth. So I feel bad for both of them. Another thing I wanted to say was that technically she didn't kill him. She did tell him to go die but he didn't have to listen to her. He must have been really depressed and what she told him was the last starw for him.
Lastly, I feel bad,but at the same time I want to kind of laugh because the whole situation is absurd she hasn't done anything yet. They haven't gotten married, didn't have and lose their child and he hasn't commited suicide so the fact that they are all mad/sad at each other and themselves is too much.
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24 chikok
November 26, 2013 at 12:24 PM
wishful twist: mirae has a twin.. one for shin and one se-joo. haha. so sorry i cant get good vibes with YK, no matter how the writers build her up..
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25 Lindy
November 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM
I really like this drama. A lot! It's written for adults about adults and has a contemplative, melancholy tone to it. I'm pretty hard in that I don't often cry over a TV show or a movie. I feel like my emotions are being manipulated and it just pisses me off but I felt really sad during this entire episode. And, for me, that's good.
I like all the characters. They were all, in some sense, living a lie in the previous time line in that they are looking for external solutions to what are essentially internal questions. Who am I? What do I really want from life? Am I the best person I can be? These are questions that no one else is going to answer for them. They seem like they might be more authentically themselves now.
Shin might still be full of stern moral rectitude and still stubborn. People don't change their essential natures even if different things are happening to them. He's never going to suddenly morph into a happy-go-lucky free spirit. But now he's at least aware of how much this might have negative repercussions on his life. I think he's not actually going to change much but he' seems to be learning a major life lesson, sometimes you've just got to give. If the woman who is the vice-president of the new network is the same one in the old time line, Shin's got his eyes opened to her true motivations and manipulative character now. She engineers a "scandal" to get her way. Did she try something like this in the old past too? I bet she did.
I like the fact that it's only after 13 episodes we discover that Yoo-kyung is actually living the life of the stereotypical Candy. She's poor, lives in the slums, seems to be the sole support of a disabled mother and younger brother, works hard at her chosen profession to get ahead. Ok so it's not delivering chicken, designing handbags or street vending but still.
I find myself most fascinated by Future Mi-rae and her present incarnation. Future Mi-rae starts out a bitter, angry, venomous women determined to change her past so she can live better in the future. It's so her life will be happier. She's nasty to Shin every chance she gets. But by going back into the past, she's been forced to confront her own responsibility for the misery her life will become. She's carried an enormous amount of guilt and shame that she has deflected onto Shin, who seems to get quieter, more isolated and depressed as the years go by. Instead of reaching out to him and turning to him for comfort in the tragic but entirely accidental death of their son, she punishes him to the point he kills himself in the exact same way their son dies.
She's also admitted that part of Shin's failure professionally is her fault. She didn't want him to take a lesser job and to do what it takes to support their family. It was her pride and stubbornness on the line just as much as Shin's. Shin tells Se-joo to call him of he needs anything else MC'd, like a birthday party etc. He already knows he didn't take these jobs in the old future but that's going to change. He's not going to be so proud this time.
Present Mi-rae gets to heart of the matter when she calls Future Mi-rae a scary woman for doing what she did then stops and says "I did this." She's recognizes that this is her and the character that made Future Mi-rae act the way she did is her character as well.
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windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 6:34 PM
I keep TRYING to like it - I do like the overall concept, it is just that I think the writer has handled it badly, especially the extremely dumb way that FMR has handled things.
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Lindy
November 26, 2013 at 6:50 PM
I do get your criticism. Future Mi-rae is a very unsympathetic woman especially as Shin becomes a more fleshed out character. Her antipathy to him starts to say less about him and more about her as the drama progresses though. It's Present Mi-rae or rather Past-Present Mi-rae that remains a vacuum for me. Why does she marry Shin in the first place? At first I thought it was Shin falling for his anima figure like Se-joo obviously has with first, Yoo-kyung and then with Mi-rae herself. But now I think that Mi-rae saw him as her rescuer from her dull, brother-dominated, unfulfilled life and he disappointed her big time.
I like Mi-rae's Choice but I can understand why it seems to be suffering from low Korean ratings. The centre of the drama, Future Mi-rae is so unlikeable as a main character and yet all the action is dependent on her. Keeping the audience watching an unsympathetic character like Mi-rae is a difficult feat for a writer but I think she (he?) has done a good job with it.
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26 Noelle
November 26, 2013 at 6:23 PM
So there is a reason why nothing is changing. That was a point that was bugging me so much. So glad they are mentioning it.
I'm glad Shin is leaving because the distance will give him perspective. Maybe this will be the thing he needs to make him say "Screw the FUTURE."
Feel bad for Yoo Kyung.
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27 light
November 26, 2013 at 6:48 PM
We all know mirae and shin will be together. I am hooing for her to choose sejoo. Just because I am attracted to men of power, with a nice personality to boot. Its not just about the money really. Its the confidence, the intelligence to go after what you want without giving up. Getting gifts from a rich man is a bonus, but its actually the generosity and sensitivity that lie behind the gifts that make it so attractive. If mirae doesnt want him, i will have him. Haha
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28 MizzEka
November 26, 2013 at 7:02 PM
The big question from me,
is Future Mirae is same person like present Mirae?
The same book, different personality, same feeling of Shin, but different spot of scar?
it make me nervous. What if Future Mirae isnt present Mirae?
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29 windsun33
November 26, 2013 at 7:49 PM
I still don't understand the writers take on the time travel part. From what I gather, nothing has changed in the future - but obviously things HAVE changed in the present.
So the only scenario that makes sense to me is that a new timeline has been created, and FMR cannot see that one - she can only see or go back to her original one.
But if that is true, then an infinite number of timelines exist, and most likely there are many that differ drastically from FMR's - even to the point where the dinosaurs rule the earth, the earth has been destroyed, taken over by aliens, or Mi Rae is a cyborg.
So overall, I think the biggest single flaw in this show was that the writer did not really think through how it would work when they started, so now what? BTW in ep14 not much gets explained, so really only two more episodes for this to make sense.
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Lindy
November 26, 2013 at 9:25 PM
The problem with time travel story lines, like with zombies or vampires, is that there are no agreed upon conventions. Does time flow forward like a river, as in Nine (which I'm watching right now btw) or the Back to the Future trilogy? Is it circular, like in Michael Moorcock's trilogy, The Dancers at the End of Time? Are there infinite time lines depending on minute changes in the present? Because it's speculative to begin with, it's pretty much up to the author to create his or her rules for his or her particular story because there are no rules. I guess we can agree to disagree here because I think the writer has done an okay job.
Future Mi-rae has changed her future but, because she's in the past, I think she's not able to see the effect of these changes until she returns. She doesn't have a scar in the present because when she left the future she didn't have one. I think that we will only see how time travel really works in Mi-rae's Choice when she returns to the future. I guess the real question is, will she like what she sees?
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30 monika wulansari
November 26, 2013 at 11:44 PM
I don't know why this drama have a little ratting...i think this drama is good than heirs....
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31 john
November 27, 2013 at 6:56 AM
I loved you Yoo-kyung !
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chickletta
November 28, 2013 at 5:20 AM
I loved her and rooting for her and Sejoo or for any kind of happy ending for her
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