Forest of Secrets: Episode 4
by Laica
With each dark secret Shi-mok discovers, the forest around him grows thicker and more dangerous, and the pool of people he can trust becomes smaller. But the upside of having so many villains is that they all have their own agendas, and they’re as wary of each other as they are of Shi-mok. Here’s hoping he can stay ahead of their tricks and use that to his advantage.
EPISODE 4 RECAP
At the revelation that CEO Park’s blackmailer was Eun-soo, Shi-mok presses the cafe employee for details. All the man recalls is that Eun-soo was insistent and that the conversation grew heated, after which CEO Park angrily left.
The employee doesn’t remember whether Eun-soo immediately followed him. Shi-mok thinks about Eun-soo’s innocent act from earlier, and then goes to CEO Park’s house to measure the window, estimating the killer’s height at around 170cm.
Yeo-jin’s team leader bows to Yongsan Police Station Chief KIM WOO-KYUN and leaves his office looking disturbed, although we don’t hear what they discussed. An alert soon comes in about a child molester on the loose, and the whole team mobilizes, including Yeo-jin, at her team leader’s go-ahead.
They chase the fugitive through alleyways and down streets. He outruns all of them except for Yeo-jin, who pulls his hair and kicks him in the shin, only to be punched in the face. New recruit Soon-chang takes the culprit out with a flying kick, and they cuff him.
Afterward, Yeo-jin sits alone in the back of an ambulance dabbing her bloodied lip. Her team leader pulls her aside for a chat, telling her grumpily that she’s off probation. He says that the chief is pissed about the police getting blamed for the prosecution’s mistake, and that their team had better catch the real murderer first.
He asks her about Shi-mok specifically, and to make sure that Yeo-jin shares whatever Shi-mok learns with the police. Remembering Shi-mok’s warning of corruption high up in the police, Yeo-jin asks if this is the chief’s request. Her team leader blusters that the chief doesn’t even know Yeo-jin exists, adding that she should report directly to him whenever Shi-mok tells her something.
Yeo-jin says he’d better promise to keep her on as a detective if she solves this case, and he protests that it’s a difficult job for a woman, she’ll have a hard time getting married (ugh), and she can do much better with her education.
To that, Yeo-jin simply says that they need someone like her on their team, the way a soccer team needs a striker. She salutes him and vows to be a detective until she retires. Once she leaves, the team leader reports to Chief Kim, who reports to Deputy Chief Lee.
Deputy Chief Lee meets with Section Chief KANG (Shi-mok’s direct superior, who called him to the Chinese restaurant) and tells him that the chief prosecutor doesn’t see the use of having an audit right now—two months isn’t that long. Section Chief Kang isn’t happy, but he agrees that he can wait until then (to be rid of Shi-mok, is the unspoken implication).
A new comment regarding Shi-mok is gaining attention online, by the student from the earlier post who had his finger broken. He was a new student at the time and was being bullied, but after Shi-mok attacked him, the bullies shifted their attention to Shi-mok instead. The commenter thinks Shi-mok did it on purpose to help him, and says that Shi-mok might be violent, but he isn’t cruel.
Shi-mok’s chief clerk reads this out loud in between fending off calls from reporters, but Shi-mok doesn’t respond. He’s remembering Young Il-jae’s arrest three years ago, which happened in front of his wife and daughter, Eun-soo.
The old man had declared the charges a setup, and Section Chief Kang had just promised to reveal the truth as Shi-mok and the rest of his team searched the house. Young Il-jae asked them how they could do this to their mentor before collapsing onto the floor.
In the present, Shi-mok wonders where Eun-soo was at the time of CEO Park’s murder. He asks his staff who picked up his call on the day of the incident. Junior Clerk Shin replies that she was alone in the office then, but Shi-mok says that he remembers that it was Eun-soo.
At that moment, Eun-soo herself enters the office with a box in her hands, but Shi-mok cuts off the chief clerk before he can ask where she was that day.
His staff open the box, thinking it’s another present, but it’s a box of yeot (taffy), with a note inside that says, Eat yeot, you psycho. (The expression has the vernacular meaning of flipping someone off.) Eun-soo asks if Shi-mok found out anything about the call made from their Civil Affairs Office, and when he says no, she smiles and says that she hasn’t either.
Shi-mok notices that Eun-soo’s height in flats is equal to Clerk Shin’s in heels. He asks Clerk Shin her height, and she says it’s 170 cm (but only during the day, ha). After the prosecutors leave, the clerks look at all the comments that have been posted by people claiming that they, too, were assaulted by Shi-mok, as they wonder what kind of person he really is.
Shi-mok visits Young Il-jae in the hospital. The old man looks away from Shi-mok and directs his comments to him through his wife, but he seems pleased enough to see him. They exchange pleasantries until Shi-mok asks if Eun-soo’s boyfriend visits often, which wipes the smile from Young Il-jae’s face.
Noticing the chill in the atmosphere, Shi-mok asks if he’s brought up an offensive topic. Eun-soo’s mother says no and thanks him for taking the blame instead of Eun-soo, though Shi-mok reiterates that he was simply telling the truth.
He asks Young Il-jae what he thinks of the case; after all, his daughter was directly related to the suspect. At this, Young Il-jae gives him a displeased look and asks what he means. Watching him carefully, Shi-mok clarifies that Eun-soo was the trial prosecutor in the case, and apologizes for his wording—he’d thought that she would have discussed the trial with her father.
Shi-mok tells Young Il-jae that CEO Park was quite close to his superiors, including the future chief prosecutor. The old man suddenly says he’s tired and lies down, but before Shi-mok can leave, Young Il-jae says that everything they’re saying on TV about Shi-mok being a psycho is nonsense—as the one who passed Shi-mok through, he says he would have noticed if that were the case.
Eun-soo’s mother catches up with Shi-mok in the hospital hallway and asks him to look after her immature daughter. Shi-mok says that Eun-soo is doing well, and her mother smiles and says not to mind her husband’s mood—it’s because talking about Hyun-chul reminded him of the past. Turns out that “Hyun-chul” is the name of Eun-soo’s ex-boyfriend who used to come over a lot to fix computers and things for the family.
Shi-mok asks if Hyun-chul was good at fixing TVs too, and specifically asks if he was tall. Confused, Eun-soo’s mother laughs off these questions before saying that Hyun-chul was a mama’s boy, and that the couple broke up because his parents were opposed to the match. She takes Shi-mok’s arm and hints that she would prefer a man that’s in the same career as Eun-soo.
Oblivious to Shi-mok’s discomfort as he takes his leave, she returns to her husband’s side and informs him that it seems the young man is interested in their daughter. Young Il-jae dismisses the idea, but says even if it were true, he’d be against it.
Shi-mok thinks to himself that Young Il-jae had known from the beginning who orchestrated his downfall by luring him with 800 million won. A flashback shows Young Il-jae arriving at the police station to be investigated, followed shortly by Deputy Chief Lee and his father-in-law. Shi-mok adds that Young Il-jae must have known that the money came from CEO Park, so it’s strange for him to play dumb if only his enemies stand to be harmed by this case.
In the present, a hospital gurney is rushed past Shi-mok with a doctor crouched over his patient, desperately trying to revive her using CPR. Shi-mok watches as the woman’s arm goes limp, signaling death, and he watches the doctor’s disappointed reaction curiously. Though, as always, Shi-mok remains detached.
Back to his deductions, which are intercut with flashbacks: Shi-mok deduces that Young Il-jae wasn’t surprised because he’d already heard those details from Eun-soo, but wonders how Eun-soo knew that CEO Park funded the operation to get rid of her father. He ponders what else father and daughter shared, as a man comes up to him and asks desperately about a patient that just passed by. “She died,” says Shi-mok bluntly.
Dong-jae raids some disreputable bars and threatens the madams with criminal charges if they don’t tell him where he can find KWON MIN-AH, the girl Shi-mok saw at the hotel. At the memory of Deputy Chief Lee’s betrayal, he vows that he won’t be taken for a fool.
Shi-mok enters his office to find Yeo-jin curled up on a chair, sound asleep. He clears his throat awkwardly and reaches toward her shoulder, but stops short of touching her. He leaves her to rest and works quietly at his desk. (Why do I find this so unutterably cute?)
A few hours pass and Yeo-jin wakes up, moaning and stretching as if she’s in her own home. Shi-mok gets up and sits across from her, asking, “Do you have a boyfriend?” Haha.
Surprised, she asks why, and he puts the case to her: If she were engaged and someone ruined her family and caused them to break up, would her ex hate that person enough to commit murder? Yeo-jin points out that the ex would hate them even more for exposing his pathetic materialism, because if his fiancée was going through such a hard time, he should have stayed by her side, not broken up with her.
So then Shi-mok asks: If this hypothetical ex isn’t materialistic, might he hate the person who ruined her family enough to suggest to the woman that they get rid of that person together? Ever the heart of the operation, Yeo-jin says that if he really loved her, he wouldn’t want to involve her in murder.
“So, you’re saying this emotion called love can lead people to commit murder on behalf of others?” asks Shi-mok. Yeo-jin scoffs and asks why he’s asking her—would he be able to do that for the woman he loved? “You know, the women you dated… Your first love? You… had one, right?” she asks slowly. He blinks at her slowly and doesn’t answer. Hee.
Shifting uncomfortably, Yeo-jin asks if he found out who made the call from Civil Affairs. He says he’s not sure, but she points out that it must be someone from Western Seoul Prosecutor’s Office. Shi-mok says that making the phone call doesn’t necessarily make that person a suspect. Huh, is he covering for Eun-soo?
Yeo-jin tells him her TV broke down recently, and when the tech came to fix it, she realized it’s quite easy—you just need to remove and replace the card in the cable box. She went to CEO Park’s house and checked the cable card, and it didn’t have a single fingerprint on it.
CEO Park’s mother told her that she watched a morning drama the day of the incident, so Yeo-jin surmises that the culprit entered, messed with the card, wiped it clean while CEO Park was sleeping in, and then hid in a closet until he heard that Kang Jin-sub was nearby.
Yeo-jin says that there are a lot of peculiar aspects to this case, which she just doesn’t understand. Mostly, she says she can’t understand the motive with how carefully the criminal erased any trace of evidence, and the lengths he went through to set up Kang Jin-sub as the suspect—why not just stab CEO Park and leave? She adds that if the culprit needed someone to take the fall that badly, a Chinese food deliveryman would have been far easier to set up.
Shi-mok points out that the plotter(s) needed someone with a criminal record. Yeo-jin says that they therefore had to have access to people’s criminal histories, so it’s either police or prosecutors, but it’s still ridiculous unless they were trying to get rid of both CEO Park and Kang Jin-sub. But then Yeo-jin reflects that after Kang Jin-sub’s suicide, they’re probably regretting involving him in the plot.
“Or they might be happy,” counters Shi-mok, remembering how Eun-soo mentioned Kang Jin-sub’s previous suicide attempts in her statement to the press. He wonders aloud if the traces of blood they found on the fence might have been left there on purpose, and whether both CEO Park and Kang Jin-sub’s deaths were simply tools to serve a larger plan.
A full staff meeting has been called, and as Shi-mok exits his office with Yeo-jin, he spots Eun-soo walking ahead of them. He deliberately says, “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.” Yeo-jin laughs, confused, and then deduces aloud that he means the caller from Civil Affairs was a woman. Eun-soo stops dead for a moment, which Shi-mok takes note of.
The meeting is basically just Deputy Chief Lee rallying the troops to make himself look good (and subtly blaming Shi-mok for the current situation). Eun-soo is distracted by the thought that Shi-mok suspects her and soon leaves, and Dong-jae, after taking a phone call, also heads out.
Shi-mok witnesses the latter and follows Dong-jae out, earning dirty looks from his colleagues. Meanwhile, Eun-soo searches Shi-mok’s empty office and goes back to the lobby after coming up empty. There, she watches as first Dong-jae and then Shi-mok exit the building.
Dong-jae goes to a room salon and tells the hostess to get Min-ah. She says she’ll call her, but Dong-jae grabs her arm and orders her to make the call in front of him. She tells him with fake sweetness that she doesn’t have her phone, just managing to extricate herself from his sleazy clutches.
Out in the hall, the hostess calls Min-ah to ask if she knows Dong-jae. Outside the club, Shi-mok spots Min-ah as she approaches and slowly follows her in his car.
As the hostess asks if Min-ah’s in trouble, Dong-jae suddenly comes up behind her and grabs her phone. Hearing the other woman yell, Min-ah turns around and runs. Dong-jae emerges from the club and chases her, but Shi-mok drives into his path, knocking him over.
Min-ah grabs a taxi just as Dong-jae is about to reach her, and although his underling shows up with a car, Min-ah gets away. Back inside the club, Dong-jae threatens to shut the business down if the girls don’t tell him where Min-ah lives, even though it’s clear that they don’t know. Shi-mok listens from around the corner; on his way out, he runs into another escort on her way in and asks her which car service they use.
When the car arrives, Shi-mok slips into the passenger seat and asks the driver where Min-ah lives. The man refuses to tell him and kicks him out, adding that he should pay money for Min-ah’s time if he likes her. Shi-mok chokes the driver and slams him against the outside of the car, repeating calmly, “Address. Phone number.” Whoa.
Meanwhile, Min-ah arrives home in a panic and haphazardly packs her bags. A loud knock at the door causes her to freeze, but a short while later, she comes out of her apartment building, moving cautiously. A dark figure suddenly appears and drags her into an alley, leaving behind a broken red fingernail on the ground.
A bit later, Shi-mok arrives at Min-ah’s building, and when she doesn’t answer the door, he goes around and enters through her open bathroom window. The messy apartment betrays her rapid flight, and in her closet, he discovers a high school uniform. Realizing now what CEO Park was blackmailing Deputy Chief Lee with, Shi-mok takes a picture.
Somebody picks up when Shi-mok calls Min-ah’s cell phone, but all he hears is the brief sound of pop music before they hang up. He calls again, but the phone has been turned off.
Police Chief Kim calls his buddy Deputy Chief Lee to tell him that the last person CEO Park talked to was a woman from the prosecutor’s office. They meet privately for drinks, and Chief Kim asks if he thinks it’s Eun-soo—after all, three years ago she was nothing but a child without a clue. Deputy Chief Lee replies that her father must have told her. Chief Kim asks what really happened with the 800 million won back then; was there really a delivery accident, or was Young Il-jae playing dumb?
Deputy Chief Lee says that Young Il-jae discovered the money and returned it right away, but someone else took it again that afternoon, and he doesn’t know who. Chief Kim doesn’t know whether to believe that, but says that if someone took all that money and framed Young Il-jae in front of the entire nation, they must be pretty evil. Chief Kim notes that Young Il-jae’s only child Eun-soo had the motivation to carry out murder against the architect of her father’s ruin, but the person in the black box footage was obviously a man.
Chief Kim then adds that if the Young family really got an accomplice to murder CEO Park, Deputy Chief Lee isn’t safe either—shouldn’t he arrest them on some pretext? His friend says no, remembering his father-in-law’s warning not to capture the perpetrator alive, lest they unearth the dirt that Deputy Chief Lee is trying so hard to bury.
On his way home, Shi-mok passes his middle school “friend” Jung-bon drinking in a pojangmacha, and the man waves him over. Shi-mok reluctantly joins him but refuses to drink, which annoys Jung-bon as he tells Shi-mok not to look down on him when he’s the only one who took his side.
Shi-mok thanks him, but Jung-bon says that Shi-mok’s still an unfeeling jerk for ignoring his call. Shi-mok points out that he can’t ignore a number he doesn’t know, and Jung-bon reaches for a business card, but then changes his mind and pours another drink.
Jung-bon asks why Shi-mok broke his finger when they were kids, and Shi-mok deadpans that he was being noisy. Jung-bon loses his temper and yells that being a prosecutor will be worth nothing when Shi-mok grows old and dies without anyone he loves beside him. Shi-mok gets up to leave, and Jung-bon apologizes drunkenly for being loud again.
“You weren’t being noisy,” says Shi-mok. “It all disappeared, along with everything else.” Jung-bon asks what he means, and Shi-mok replies, “You’re right. There won’t be anyone by my side. Ever.” (Oh, my heart.)
Later that night, Shi-mok looks up high school uniforms online to find a match for Min-ah’s.
We find Eun-soo tucking in her father, now home from the hospital, and she wishes her parents goodnight.
And in another part of the city, Yeo-jin puts a mask on CEO Park’s mom before they go to bed, and the two women laugh together as we see a drawing of CEO Park’s mom up on the wall. In contrast, Shi-mok falls asleep at his computer.
The next morning, Shi-mok prints out a copy of the uniform picture to give to his chief clerk, but he sees him accepting an envelope of money from Dong-jae and decides against it.
Outside, Shi-mok runs into Jung-bon on his way to court, and asks how Jung-bon knew Kang Jin-sub. Jung-bon says he knew him from church and that he took the case because he trusted the man; after all, he swore on his child that he was innocent.
Jung-bon apologizes for the previous night, but Shi-mok just asks why a lawyer is looking for work here, having deduced that Jung-bon is unemployed from his hesitance to give him a business card. Jung-bon, embarrassed, just gives him his number and tells Shi-mok to let him know if he ever needs something investigated. Shi-mok nods, looking almost fond.
In his office, Dong-jae shreds all the documents he has on Min-ah. That night, a group of high school students drink and fool around in CEO Park’s empty house. One of them goes into the bathroom and screams: A dead girl lies in the bathtub, her wrists tied to the faucet.
At 2:00 a.m., Jung-bon calls Shi-mok, who’s working late in his office. Meanwhile, police officer Gun pounds on Yeo-jin’s front door, waking her up. We see the body of the girl more closely—it’s Min-ah.
COMMENTS
One of the things I really love about this show is how cinematic it feels, not only in its directorial style and the way the dialogue is allowed to breathe, but in the character details. Each character is given so much detail and nuance, from costume design to acting choices. For example, Yeo-jin’s scuffed sneakers and the drawings all over her walls tell us as much about her as her open, guileless way of speaking, or the way she charges head-on into whatever she decides to pursue. The same is true with Shi-mok’s spare apartment, and his deliberate way of moving through the world. He carefully considers his every word, and waits for others to reveal their hand before he decides whether to speak, and how much.
All of this tells me that Forest of Secrets didn’t actually deliver the emotionless hero it promised us in its opening scenes, and I couldn’t be happier. The fact that he is so watchful and deliberate shows that he does care at least a little regarding how he comes off to others, and I don’t think it’s just an intellectual exercise, or a strategy to survive in the corrupt environment he’s found himself in.
True, he doesn’t feel the kind of sentimentality that causes us regular humans to agonize about the opinions of strangers (Exhibit 1: His horrifying announcement to that poor man in the hospital). But his eyes change when he’s around someone he actually cares about, and I don’t think he even realizes it. He’s gotten so used to everyone treating him like a robot with no feelings and of thinking of himself that way that I doubt he even recognizes his care for others when he feels it—perhaps because it’s so muted and different from the way he experienced emotion before his surgery.
Yet although the emotions are subtle, they’re there, and I’m so glad we have Jo Seung-woo in this role, because a lesser actor wouldn’t have been able to carry off the tiny changes in expression that say so much. I find myself almost holding my breath as I watch closely for those incredible moments when that cold, stiff mask he usually wears melts away, revealing hints of what lies beneath.
There’s the curiously open, almost puzzled way he looks at Yeo-jin, who carries none of the reserve that he seems to wear instinctively, and the reluctant near-smile he gave Jung-bon when the man revealed his judgment of Kang Jin-sub’s innocence. I think Shi-mok finds both of them appealing because of how trusting they are, how willing to wear their hearts on their sleeves and believe in the good in people; I think this kind of person may be the only ones he can trust.
Shi-mok himself gives me the vibe of someone who’s been hurt so deeply by others that he’s locked himself up tightly like a turtle in its shell, unwilling to even admit the possibility of caring for others, even though the return of his alarming earaches could logically mean that the other things the surgery excised will come back too. He’s clearly been treated very cruelly by most of the people in his life, and the loneliness that hangs around him like an aura just breaks my heart. I hope his reluctant acceptance of Yeo-jin and Jung-bon’s insistent presences means that he will very soon realize that his bleak prediction about the future doesn’t have to come true.
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Tags: Bae Doo-na, Forest of Secrets, Jo Seung-woo, Lee Jun-hyuk, Shin Hye-sun
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1 apple
June 22, 2017 at 12:07 PM
No love lines, please.
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2 ordinaryguy92
June 22, 2017 at 12:12 PM
Love this drama. It exceeds my expectation so far.
Glad that Netflix has this as their original series, so can watch new episodes with subs as soon as broadcast in Korea ended.
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UmbrellaMan
June 22, 2017 at 12:26 PM
Netflix? What country???? I would prefer to watch it on Netflix rather than Dramafever. I couldn't find it or any info on this.
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ordinaryguy92
June 22, 2017 at 2:41 PM
Its title is "Stranger" on Netflix.
I live in South-East Asia, specifically Malaysia. So not sure about other regions/countries.
Yeah, Dramafever even releases new episodes quite late, on mondays & tuesdays.
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Kalyasiri Tan
June 23, 2017 at 8:15 AM
Thks FYI
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UmbrellaMan
June 23, 2017 at 9:17 AM
Yes. That's why it would be better!! But it doesn't seem like Netflix got simulcast rights in the US. It makes it hard when DF delays the broadcast on some shows- only beacuse then like 4 shows I am currently watching all are released on the same day!!! Spread it around won't you DF? I don't have enough hours in the day to watch S/S plus M/T shows together. You're lucky! ?
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RoseRedFern
June 22, 2017 at 1:00 PM
Not on Netflix in Canada...
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kiara
June 22, 2017 at 3:19 PM
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3 kdramaskimchi
June 22, 2017 at 12:14 PM
shi mok is awesome...jo seung woo is even more awesome for giving us an awesome shi-mok and i think @laica got it right when she describes shi-mok's interactions with people...his face definitely changes when he's with someone he cares about and you can see the care on his face....his expressions are subtle but have a clear meaning...am waiting for everything to unfold while cheering all the way for our smart ahjussi and his persistent cute partner.
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UmbrellaMan
June 22, 2017 at 12:30 PM
I live for his subtle expressions. He is able to get so much across by doing and saying so little. This takes serious talent. In the hands of a lesser actor, the character might have come off as wooden and robotic.
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C.Lo
June 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM
Shi Mok might not express himself but he knows a good person from a bad person. Just like he doesn't seem to have a problem working with Yeo Jin and she doesn't think he's a jerk after listening to the news show talking about Shi Mok's past.
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4 Hye Mi
June 22, 2017 at 12:27 PM
Thank you for the recap!
The subbed version I watched wasn't clear on the conversation between Shi-mok and Yeo-jin about the possibility of a person willing to kill for his loved one. I was left puzzled at that part and couldn't grasp the meaning despite replaying that scene many times. It's so much clearer in the recap. Same goes with the party and the discovery of Min-ah's body. I didn't notice that the party was held at CEO Park's abandoned house. Seriously, can people party in a dead man's house? Just the thought of it sends shiver down my spine.
On another note, I do think that Eun-Soo has her own agenda, but I think she's acting alone. I'm not sure if she's to join force with Shi-mok and Yeo-jin later, but if it happens at all, perhaps that's only when Shi-mok has cleared all his suspicion of her.
Finally, needless to say, solid episode all around. I love it :)
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UmbrellaMan
June 22, 2017 at 12:37 PM
Even if I was a hooligan, I would still be creeped out partying at a crime scene. Well, these kids got more than they bargained for. ?
I also have a hard time following some of the dialogue. This show is dialogue heavy and I find myself constantly rewinding to watch scenes again. A lot of the dialogue is inference and subtleties, plus they use a lot of names that I haven't become familiar with yet (I use the AsianWiki page to ensure I know who is who).
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Hye Mi
June 22, 2017 at 12:55 PM
And the thought that the killer was inside the bathroom when they were partying outside in the living room is more than I can ever imagine! Now I can't wait for this week's episodes to see how Shi-mok broke down the crime scene yet again. I've already got questions, such as did the murder take place before the kids snuck in, or did the murderer carry Min-Ah's body in and how come he escaped without alarming the party going on outside? Either way it's still so creepy.
You're right that this show is dialogue heavy. I don't think I ever finished an episode of FoS in under two hours. Just as I thought I understood a scene and all the references came another events that require a revisit of a previous scene. Those that give me the most headache are ones between Shi-mok and one of the higher up, or between the higher-ups themselves. Since his history is still not fully revealed, it's sometimes difficult to know what or whom they are referring to. I've got the memory of a goldfish so that doesn't help either XD.
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UmbrellaMan
June 22, 2017 at 1:18 PM
Same here!! Goldfish memory indeed.
I assume the murder took place before the kids arrived. They didn't check the whole house out before settling down in the livingroom. It would be too awkward for the killer to be doing his thing with a party going on in the next room. Seems highly unlikely. I wonder though, was she killed in the bathroom or actually in the street outside her apartment? I worry now that Shi-mok might be framed for this. He was there the night she was killed, his fingerprints are at her place, and I have a weird feeling the photo of her school uniform he shoved in his robe pocket, and seemed to have forgoten about, might come into play in an unexpected (and negative) way.
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Hye Mi
June 22, 2017 at 1:26 PM
Actually Min-Ah's phone was on momentarily when Shi-mok dialed her number (and there was some music Shi-mok could hear too, according to the recap *shudders*), which led me to think that the murderer was there when the party was going on in the living room. Who else would pick up the phone, then? *shudders again*
I was worried about Shi-mok's fingerprints to be found at Min-Ah's place too. He was so careful when he first paid CEO Park a visit and discovered the murder. Perhaps he didn't think Min-Ah would meet her fate that night so he was less cautious than usual.
5 anna
June 22, 2017 at 2:02 PM
Why is this drama so underrated here? I have never been more attached to a character in a long time. He's just so calm, reserved and cool af. I'm in awe every time he's on screen. Other dramas you wait for the love line to develop, but here you wait for the friendship lol I want him to know he's not so alone after all.
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kiara
June 22, 2017 at 4:05 PM
It's not everyone's cup of coffee and there are too many dramas to choose from.
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jcflying
June 22, 2017 at 9:53 PM
Well, you can say that another reason is because the actors are not that "popular" overseas (what I mean here is that they are not everyone's taste unlike most actors e.g Lee Jong Suk, Nam Joo Hyuk and the like). Another reason is because not many people really like to watch crime dramas because there's just too much of it these days lol.
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6 extracheeseplease
June 22, 2017 at 2:06 PM
One of the things I appreciate about this show is how little hand-holding there is in terms of allowing the audience to follow along with Shi-mok's deductive reasoning. (For example, when Shi-mok notices Jung-bon reaching for a business card and then deciding against showing it off, or when he sees Eun-soo stop walking when Yeo-jin mentions the possibility of there being a female accomplice.) Other dramas tend to rely heavily on flashbacks, voiceovers, and other techniques in order to make it patently obvious exactly how Shi-mok is putting the clues together; instead, this show forces the audience to a work just a little bit harder in order to follow along, which gives the mystery a more dynamic, cinematic feel.
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rhapsophie
June 22, 2017 at 11:58 PM
I agree! (: It's also one of the many reasons I like this show. I also find that by not babying/spoon-feeding/hand-holding the audience, it creates a more inmersive experience for us as we too, like Shi-mok, have to work through the clues and cues we see onscreen, be it in dialogue, facial expressions, or the gazes of the characters, to solve the mystery. I particularly like this because it has a very real-life quality to it; after all, in real life we do the same to decipher people's intentions, or to understand situations, and not everything or everyone is going to be as straightforward as what it may appear to be on the surface.
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7 immawish
June 22, 2017 at 2:22 PM
This shows exceed my expectation in every episode tbh. I still had nobody to trust but Yeojin, because even Shimok himself looks shady sometimes. And yesss, I don't think Shimok knows that he is actually feeling a little bit emotion like love by him being gentle to his mom, Yeojin, and maybe Jungbon.
This one caught my interest though, the writer said before that Shimok was written as an emotionless prosecuter so he could avoid something like greediness. While being a person with rich heart full of emotions, how does Yeojin actually stay to her upright principal?
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8 giocare
June 22, 2017 at 2:24 PM
Now I’m not sure how I feel about Eun Soo. Last episode it seemed like she was apart of the bad guys squad but maybe she’s the only other prosecutor he can actually trust. Never would’ve thought the ppl in his office were working for the bad guys.
When the bad guys want to get rid of someone, they surely keep that promise
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9 gem28
June 22, 2017 at 2:45 PM
Shi-Mok was increasingly reckless throughout episode 4. Following Min-Ah, threatening her cab driver, calling her phone and finally breaking into her home. All of that and any of that can turn him into number one suspect. He needs to stop acting alone. I am hoping for Yeo Jin to step up. I don't think she is spying on him but feeding her superiors enough useless and scattered information that'll allow her to work without being transferred or suspended. Alliances change so often and so swiftly depends who has upper hand in the survival game that I am increasingly worried for Shi-Mok. Dong Jae could easily influence the situation to tilt on his favor using this new death as an opportunity . So that leaves Shi-Mok to be the easiest to pin it all on considering his position and also hardest considering his intelligence. Eun Soo is again appearing to be a lone wolf trying desperately to get revenge and clear her father's name. Even Chief Lee knows that much but doesn't consider her enough of a threat to move her or fire her. But something tells me that they are underestimating her capability. She is in my opinion still appears to not be directly the one who killed CEO Park but she knows something. She also acts rashly.
Also Min-Ah's death being publicized the way it will be, it helps nobody. Not Chief Lee nor Dong-Jae. I thought about it a lot but making a show off it puts them on a dangerous situation regardless of their wanting to take Shi-Mok down. So, that death wasn't their doing. That would be reckless. Which raises the question again that who is doing it and making it obvious that he is the killer?
I also agree that Shi-Mok isn't incapable of feeling. He is considerate and capable of genuine concern. That surgery might have lowered his tendency to feel but it isn't all gone. I felt as if his voice quivered only so slightly when he told his friend that he is right about him forever being Lonely. Jo Seung Woo, why are you so perfect. This show is so good. Been ages since I desperately waited for a show like this and the subs are so slow. It's painful.
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alua
June 22, 2017 at 3:49 PM
<Shi-Mok was increasingly reckless throughout episode 4. Following Min-Ah, threatening her cab driver, calling her phone and finally breaking into her home. All of that and any of that can turn him into number one suspect.
I don't see him as reckless, I see him as pursuing the truth. He doesn't handle crime cases by ensuring he won't become a suspect. Yes, others might suspect him because it turns out that the clues he was following led to a murder case and he happened to be in murdered person's room and called her before she died. But ultimately he knows he's not the murderer, so if others suspect him meanwhile, I don't think it matters to him. HE knows he isn't the murderer and his interest is finding the actual murderer (plus Yeo Jin is not going to believe just anything, even if Shi-mok is possibly being framed).
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bubbles
June 23, 2017 at 8:31 AM
I don't know....I was yelling at my screen: Where are your gloves?! When he was "breaking" and entering into that girls apartment...I think that was kind of reckless, to threaten the taxi driver might have gotten the results he wanted the quickest but that's just one more witness that could testify against him in court if they were planning to pin that new murder on him which I think is probably going to happen? He can't really predict that they would that but he knows he almost could have been the murder suspect for the first kill sooo....I would have expected him to be a bit more careful. (And wearing gloves when you break into someones apartment is a no-brainer I think...)
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Tom
June 23, 2017 at 5:18 PM
I was also originally torn on how to read Shi-mok behaviour during the search of the apartment . However, we have only seen him sparingly during active investigations.
I suspect my gut response was still through the typical drama tropes. In retrospect, here may be consistent with all his previous actions. Thinking back, doesn't Shi-mok alway make calculated but brutal actions on investigations.
- The entire opening investigation at the murder scene.
- Interrogating the wife at the prison
- Interrogating the mother in the stairwell
- His actions in the evidence room
- Searching Dong-Jae's office
- The TV interview and declaration of a 2month deadline.
One of the most interesting things about Shi-mok is that his coldness gives him strength to act when most would be cautious--but he is defiantly not invincible. Our "hero" is always at risk of danger and everyone has their knives out for him as he appears a good target to carry the can (awkward, annoying, a troubled past, and no real allies in the hierarchy).
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kiara
June 22, 2017 at 4:17 PM
I won't be surprised if he is doing exactly what the bad guys are predicting he would do.
Maybe he'll team up with Yeo Jin or Jung-bon later.
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Hye Mi
June 23, 2017 at 9:26 AM
Friendly question, why have you got the impression that Eun-soo is rash in her actions? :D
Imo she's quite discreet considering it takes Shi-mok quite a few detours to figure out her involvement in the case. I think it's partly because she hasn't dug up much and hasn't likely learned of the connection between her father's being blamed and the higher-ups (or has she? Because she's working there right now so there's a chance that she knows something).
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gem28
June 23, 2017 at 10:16 AM
She panicked the moment she heard 'Yoja' coming out of Shi-Mok's mouth and ran to figure out what he has on her. It seemed rash. She is also the only person who could've figured out the part involving Min-Ah considering she saw Shi-Mok following Dong Jae and could have done that herself. I still can't figure her endgame out. I know its revenge but in what capacity??
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10 lush
June 22, 2017 at 4:18 PM
the deadpan humor in this drama is so subtle yet so funny at the same time. i love it
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11 rays
June 22, 2017 at 4:37 PM
Welp I'm still suspicious of the middle school's friend. The fact that he's also in law ranch makes it possible he's connected to one or two links. Perhaps not real real criminal, something like Eunsoo? Dang, it's so dark I don't know who to trust besides yeojin.
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12 meowingme
June 22, 2017 at 7:47 PM
Jumping on board on this show! Has the tone of a procedural crime show, but with an undercurrent of conspiracy theory, me likey. The plot seems awfully tight too.
Hoping Jung-bon will be a kind of clerk for Shi-mok later on, he seems trustworthy plus he is outside the rotten circle around Shi-mok.
Have this hateful feeling that Shi-mok was being used as a pawn in an elaborate plan, nooo. If this is a Scooby Doo episode, the mastermind villain would be the Eun-soo's father because he understands and predicts Shi-mok's move ?
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bambi
June 22, 2017 at 9:28 PM
I actually don't feel like Jung- bon is trustworthy at all. He's weak in character and easily swayed by his emotions. Plus he's desperate for a job. It would be pretty easy to lure him to the dark side with the right incentives.
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C.Lo
June 22, 2017 at 9:58 PM
I still don't trust Jung-bon.
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meowingme
June 22, 2017 at 10:37 PM
Am thinking Jung-bon feels indebted to Shi-mok due to the bullying incident, and is passive-aggresively trying to pay that debt somehow. That seems like the makings of loyal sidekick to me, but with this show, it's true that everybody is a suspect...
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13 yasminsatria
June 22, 2017 at 8:48 PM
This drama really know how to hook people with its ending. With Min ah death, it more apparent this is revenge murder than cover up one. The way Min ah being killed, so sadist and public, I think the killer really want to take down Deputy Chief Lee by directing all links to him. But now, who? I doubt its Eun Soo since it's to early so she probably a red herring. Someone who hold the clue but not the real murderer. Probably someone entirely new? Curious and curiouser...
Also Jo Seung Woo!! He's awesome. From his interpretation to his execution of Shi Mok's character. Oh man, I just love every scene with him in it.
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14 bambi
June 22, 2017 at 9:25 PM
Yeo- jin continues to be the voice of reason and sanity in this show. I love how great of a foul she is to Shi-Mok.
Can't believe Shi- mok didn't use gloves when he broke into the girl's place!! Also that he didn't take the uniform with him. Sigh this is all gonna come back to bite him in the behind isn't it?
Lastly, love how the public is its own character within this show. The way they swing back and forth between supporting him and not supporting Shi-mok, mostly without his input, and the way that impacts his workplace, is so accurate to life and well done. It's a fine line between fame and infamy and simply by putting himself into the public consciousness Shi-mok's life will never completely be his own again.
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bambi
June 22, 2017 at 9:36 PM
*foil lol. Thanks autocorrect.
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15 vijaya
June 22, 2017 at 9:30 PM
He is smiling actually smiling in next few episodes wow
Cafe guy who pointed Eun Soo seems shedy and I mean who is not.
This show make us believe that this character is shedy and maybe not or maybe ...screwing our mind. Loving it.
First, Me and my sister watch this raw of course can't wait for sub and discuss what and how much understood. It's fun.
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16 Errolyn
June 22, 2017 at 10:35 PM
Shi Mok is not without emotion, that I agree with. The surgery looks like it muted his emotions quite a bit, affected how he feel things or processes his feelings....but the feelings are still there. Just not to the degree they were before. The best description I can think of...is like a Vulcan in star trek, his brains functions more on logic/reason over emotion...the feelings are buried deep, so deep you can barely reach them. And they are so subtle that he perhaps doesn't eve realize it. But they are there.
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17 m3lon4
June 23, 2017 at 12:16 AM
This is a very intelligent show, with dialogue so rich that sometimes I had to rewind to catch everything that is said (and unsaid) and to study the actor's expressions. Definitely not fot the casual watcher; Forest of Secrets just demands your full attention, whoever is on screen.
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18 rhapsophie
June 23, 2017 at 12:26 AM
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19 rhapsophie
June 23, 2017 at 12:28 AM
Me too, @laica, me too ? It was so swoonworthy. Shi-mok, guy who flinches when people get too close in his personal space, especially to touch him, reaching out so tentatively, almost to touch her, but deciding not to because she looks like she needed the sleep? Swoon. I mean... It feels like an emotion that only you would feel for someone you care about you know? Not wanting to wake them up because they look so peaceful in sleep, you don't want to burst that bubble.
I find it fascinating how he seems to be in discomfort when people touch him (e.g. with the makeup artist who wanted to do his face, and with Eun-soo's mum who clasped his arm to show her approval of him), and also how he only seems to touch people in order for that action to achieve something he wants (e.g. when he grabbed Kang Jin-sub's widow to get her attention, or when he manhandled the taxi driver to get information). It makes me wonder if he isn't used to physical touch, whether it's because he's been bullied too much in the past, by his classmates (and maybe his step-dad?), or if it's a byproduct of having his emotions muted, and him becoming withdrawn as a result. It's just interesting that while he's averse to being touched, he's not above using it as a means to further his goals of getting to the truth.
But yes, back to that scene, that entire sequence is my favourite in this episode (: When he finds her in her office, lets her sleep, waits for her to wake, and then they both engage in a heady partnership of information solving, brainstorming, and oh-so-casual asking of each other's personal love lives (hehe). Love how the scenes are shot to show them as partners (aka in the first screencap)!
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rays
June 23, 2017 at 4:32 AM
That discussion scene is also my favorite. I love it how Shi-mok and Yeo-jin are so different but also similar. They complement each others so well. The way Shi-mok analyses Yeo-jin theories in silence while she speaks out loud make a nice contrast.
Speaking of physical touch, Shi-mok totally frightened me when he grabbed the driver's neck. The way he threatened him in calm tone sent shivers to my neck. Heol.
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20 A
June 23, 2017 at 12:42 AM
Coincidence that school children find the dead body of another school kind min-ah?
Even if she wasn't in school they could know where the uniform belongs because am pretty sure Shi-mok will grill them too as they were at the crime scene. So rather than handing the pic he took to his clerk who is now a shady bribe taker he gets to know about min-ah through these school kids?
Their uniforms were different , atleast they'll know the school from her uniform, the pic i mean.
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Tom
June 24, 2017 at 1:10 AM
OOOOH... that is such a nice pick up on detail there.
A way forward out of the morass that may engulf Shi-mok.
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21 Chukahae (축하해)
June 23, 2017 at 1:44 AM
Another awesome analysis by Laica. Thanks ?✏️ for the recaps. ??
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Tom
June 24, 2017 at 1:15 AM
I can't thumbs up so I also to wanted to send some love to Laica.
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22 A
June 23, 2017 at 4:11 AM
Who is this korean singer Artist: Richard Parkers whose songs feature here?
Not a single pic of him / her online and I am so wanting to know. Taking a name like Richard Parker with an s..Who is this please? Anybody throw light please.
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gem28
June 23, 2017 at 4:31 AM
http://www.labellim.com/richardparkers
This might be her.
Can anybody tell me who sang the second OST titled Dust, I can't find any info on her other than the name Averua. She has hauntingly beautiful voice.
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A
June 23, 2017 at 6:21 AM
Thanks. So this is she.
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Tom
June 24, 2017 at 2:29 AM
A
Love your comments...
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A
June 24, 2017 at 4:38 AM
:). Thanks. This series is the death of me.
First, waiting for the episodes, then next some days waiting for subs, then next some days, for the recaps and commenters like you who analyse well (thank you and others :)).
What torture, agony the wait. Real life goes for a toss. Damn this. 2017 and 2018 , no more good dramas. No.More.
23 Kalyasiri Tan
June 23, 2017 at 8:12 AM
Nice Plots. I love this
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24 lunatic4kd
August 5, 2017 at 11:44 AM
Such a great drama. I so wish I had started watching this when it was being broadcast so I can join along - and follow along - with recaps and Beanie comments. But better late than never - and I started it August 1st so the glorious availability of marathon awaits me. Perfect timing too - for escaping from some real life swirling around me right now.
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