Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 6
by HeadsNo2
As if our resident damsel in distress couldn’t get into any more trouble, a sudden marriage is thrust upon her that she’s in no way equipped to deal with. (For that matter, neither are we.) It comes down to her troop of loyal princes to save her from an uncertain fate, though some need a little prodding to agree. And in the end, there’s only so much that they can do for her—the rest is up to Su.
Note: There are some different versions of these episodes floating around the vastness of the net, but for our purposes, we’ll be recapping off the version streamed live in Korea. So don’t be alarmed if you read of some scenes you haven’t seen, or don’t read of some that you have.
EPISODE 6 RECAP
Everyone’s dressed in white mourning robes for the funeral of Lady Hae, but it’s her husband, Wook, who lights the funeral pyre. Thirteenth prince Baek-ah keeps to himself as he cries over his own drawings of his late sister-in-law. Not just a sister-in-law to him, it seems.
Su sobs as the pyre goes up in flames, with So taking particular notice of her sadness. Wook remains in control of his expression.
Next thing we know, we find Su sitting with Baek-ah, who talks about having to wait to join Lady Hae in the afterlife. Su cries about how much she misses Lady Hae, and the two commiserate together. Are you guys friends now? When did this happen?
Su comes upon Wook sitting on the floor in his library later that night, but says nothing. He stares forward as he begins to talk aloud, though it seems like he’s talking more to himself than to her: “Why could I not say it? I knew she wanted to hear it, but I could not tell her that I loved her. I did not think that I did love her.”
But then, he says, he realized that his feelings were love, and that he did in fact love her. He was confused between what he thought were feelings of gratitude and general comfort with her, but in the end, he realized it was love.
Wook begins to cry piteously as he asks Su what he should do now. Like a lost child, he reaches forward to grab her skirt, desperately needing her comfort and assurance. “I should have told her,” he cries. “She waited so long.”
Wiping away at her own tears, Su kneels before him and takes him by the shoulders as she tells him that Lady Hae already knew. It’s not enough to soothe him, as he only sobs more deeply while blaming himself for being unable to tell his wife while it still mattered. He pushes Su’s arms away as he retreats back into himself, crying.
On her own, Su worries about what she’ll do now that Lady Hae is gone, but is interrupted by an insistent knock at her window. She opens it, and up pops a hand puppet dressed just like her. Joining it is another puppet of tenth prince Eun, as the real tenth prince alters his voice and uses the puppets to perform a cute little play of their first meeting (and his first beating).
Su can’t help but smile at the display, and Eun pokes his head up between the puppets to make sure his show is having its intended effect. Of course, he promptly proceeds to fall, having been standing on a servant’s shoulders to reach her window, which also serves to make Su laugh.
She admits that she was touched by the puppet show, adding, “You’re awesome!” (She uses the modern Korean term “Jjang!” with a thoroughly modern thumbs up). Eun’s glad to hear it, since he knew she needed some cheering up. But he hilariously wonders what the thumbs up means, and when she explains that the thumb rules over the five fingers, he thinks that’s a bit too much—the king should be the thumb.
He tries his index finger instead, thinking it a little more respectful. She laughs and goes along with it, telling him again that he’s jjang. He adopts the term as well, and mimics their conversation with the two puppets, adding some flourishes of his own, like Puppet Su gushing over how good looking Puppet Eun is. Hah.
Third prince Yo antagonizes So as has become his habit, but this time, So pushes back. He even helps his younger brother, Baek-ah, after Yo insults the artistic prince for his less than desirable lineage. Yo claims Goryeo is in danger, and So calls him out for acting like a big shot when their father still rules the throne. It’s all big talk, So claims, since Yo wouldn’t dare say any of these things in front of the king.
Su pays a visit to Lady Hae’s grave, mulling over her life here in Goryeo and how long she’ll have to live as Hae Su. These were the sorts of things she wanted to talk to Lady Hae about while she was alive, but she never got the chance. Even so, she thanks her cousin for all that she did.
Baek-ah and fourteenth prince Jung find her there and greet her warmly, so I guess we’ll have to take it on faith that Su and Baek-ah bonded over Lady Hae’s death. Jung can’t get over how fun it is to say “Fighting!” the way Su taught him. Hah.
The trio runs into Princess Yeonhwa in the palace, who claims to have good news for Su: she’ll be getting married. Cut to Wook finding out about the marriage, which Princess Yeonhwa and her elder supporters seem to be all about. It’ll be an advantageous match, and they’ll have to move on it quickly or risk losing it.
Something about it all seems fishy, and there’s only so much protesting Wook can do without looking suspicious. Baek-ah, however, is more than upset on Su’s behalf, and tries to get So to agree with him. So is unwilling to do so, since it’s Wook’s family affair—and after all, Su is of marrying age.
The other princes are thrown into a panic at the news, with Jung notifying everyone that the man Su is intended to marry is old, and has many sons. They realize that she’s not being married, she’s being sold—and ninth prince Won seems to be the only one who could care less. (Yo, who probably would care less, isn’t present.)
Wook overhears them, and asks for more information about the home Su is supposed to marry into. After hearing the details, he asks for his brothers’ help.
Slave girl Chae-ryung cries piteously as she packs her mistress’s things to prepare for her marriage, while Su looks to be in shock. Finally, she snaps herself out of it and tells Chae-ryung that she has to run. Chae-ryung completely supports her decision, and vows never to speak a word of her escape.
Luckily, Su is helped out by tenth prince Eun, who sneaks her out using the same window he used to perform the puppet show. Baek-ah also lends a helping hand, eventually getting Su to Wook, who disguises her in a hood as he leads her to a horse. “I can’t send you away like this,” Wook says, in answer to her questioning look.
Princess Yeonhwa spots Wook galloping off with Su sitting on the saddle in front of him, knowing full well who’s under the cloth. She orders a chase, and joins in it herself as her search party catches up to Wook, Jung, and his wrapped bundle.
But when it’s revealed that Eun is the one hidden under the silk, Princess Yeonhwa knows they’ve been fooled. The real Su is with So and Baek-ah, galloping as fast as they can on horseback. As they ride, Su looks back at So and thinks that she’s surprised even he pitched in to help her.
As if he can read her thoughts, So thinks, “It’s not because I like you. I simply don’t want to see you live a life where you’re controlled by others. That kind of life is not worth living.” Aw, you big softie.
All the princes converge on a common point in the forest, only to be stopped by Astronomer Choi and his party. He says he’s come to take Su into the palace, and it’s with dawning horror that Wook and the other princes come to realize exactly what he means.
“The king will marry Lady Su,” the astronomer says, much to the princes’ surprise. Wook confronts his uncles (well, the late Lady Hae’s uncles) over the match, but they’re both pleased as punch that they could become in-laws with the king. And if Su were to have the king’s child, even better for them.
Still, So refuses to let the men take Su, despite Princess Yeonhwa telling him that all of them could pay dearly if he doesn’t comply with the royal command. Su, hearing this, decides to go on her own so that no one will get hurt because of her.
Before she does, So stops her to ask if she won’t regret this. She tells him not to worry, and that she’ll try talking to the king. She can only offer a smile to Wook, but looks back up to So. Then, she’s gone. The princes are left to digest what just happened, which doesn’t seem to be an easy task.
Queen Sinmyeongsunseong confronts the king over choosing a new bride now, of all turbulent times. Worse yet, he’s in such a hurry that he’ll have the bedding before the actual ceremony even takes place. She wonders if this has something to do with him still suspecting her in the crown prince’s assassination attempt.
King Taejo basically tells her to mind her place, since he still doesn’t quite trust her and her greed. And since there are disputes on the borders, he claims, he needs the help of the Hae Clan—and the only way to get it is to marry a girl from that clan. Queen Sinmyeongsunseong huffs, and she puffs, but fails in blowing the palace down.
As she’s being carried to the palace in a palanquin, Su tries to think over her options without letting herself devolve into panic. In the palace, ROYAL CONCUBINE OH (Woo Hee-jin) is notified of the king’s soon-to-be wife.
Astronomer Choi gives Su a tour of Damiwon Palace, and completely ignores Su’s attempts to try and talk her way out of marrying a man she doesn’t know. Enter Concubine Oh, who comes to take a personal look at the new bride.
The astronomer couldn’t be happier to exit the scene, and warns Su under his breath to just follow her fate. That fate includes being checked over by Concubine Oh and her maids, since the concubine claims that a woman with scars on her body can’t marry the king.
Su crosses her arms over her chest protectively, unwilling to disrobe in front of strangers. The maids take her and strip her forcefully, with Concubine Oh claiming that they’re on a timeline—she’s to share the king’s bed tonight. What on earth is going on?
Queen Sinmyeongsunseong seems to be much more upset about the king’s potential new bride than Queen Sinjeong, but has no idea that the girl is actually Su. She finds this out when fourteenth prince Jung comes in to beg for her intervention.
Now Queen Sinmyeongsunseong understands why Wook’s mother was so calm about the wedding, because she stands to gain from it. But then Wook enters, presumably to plead with his mother for her intervention. When Queen Sinmyeongsunseong asks why he’s against Su’s marriage, Wook says it’s because he sees her as a younger sister. Also, it’s all very sudden.
Next up is Princess Yeonhwa, though we don’t get to hear what she has to say. In the meantime, Baek-ah tries to get So on their side, though he seems willing to let Su sort her own business out—she volunteered to go, after all. Baek-ah tries explaining that they’d all be dead if she hadn’t (for disobeying a royal command), but So just asks if he has feelings for her.
“I am not the one who has feelings for her,” Baek-ah retorts, though he doesn’t say who does. Instead, he tells his half-brother about how he and Su bonded after Lady Hae’s death, supplying us with flashbacks about their drunken antics following the funeral.
Su had asked him about his own feelings for Lady Hae, but Baek-ah explained that his status was too low for him to do anything about his feelings back then. Thoroughly wasted, Su had bemoaned the status system in Goryeo, and told Baek-ah to wait a thousand years—there (then), no one is above anyone else.
Though he’d tried to hush her, Su had gone on to tell Baek-ah that a person only lives once, and that death can come at any time. “You can just fall right out of the sky and end up living in a place like this,” she said, alluding to her own situation. So with that philosophy in mind, she’d advised Baek-ah to just live in the moment, and do whatever made him happy.
In the present, So gets after his little brother for listening to Su spout such nonsense, but Baek-ah firmly believes in what she espoused about status and rank. If it’s this bad for them as princes, how bad is it for ordinary citizens?
Baek-ah has no aspirations for the throne, he adds. “I only want to be free. That’s what you want too. And what about Hae Su?” So knows as well as he does that a girl without parents or siblings won’t survive in the palace, and that the king won’t pay any attention to her past the wedding night. She won’t survive living such a life, and they both know it.
Su looks like she’s had better days after her full body examination, and asks for some time alone—none of this has set in yet, since she didn’t even know what was going to happen when she woke up this morning.
The second Concubine Oh leaves, Su plans her escape, remembering the secret passageway from the bathhouse… but she’s foiled in that attempt by none other than Concubine Oh.
Now it’s So’s turn to confront Astronomer Choi over the marriage, likening him to a rabbit who always digs two holes to always guarantee at least one escape route. He knows Choi wouldn’t have just banked on one plan, and demands to know what the other part of his plan is.
King Taejo is notified that Su is waiting in the marriage chamber, which gives him momentary pause. It turns out that even he didn’t know he was marrying Su, only that he was marrying someone from the Hae household. Though he wishes it didn’t have to be Su, he’s pretty businesslike about it, and is ready to do what must be done.
Su waits in the wedding chamber dressed as a bride, but as King Taejo walks toward it, he’s stopped by the sight of his son, Prince Wook, kneeling in his path. Wook knows that what he’s doing is dangerous, but he asks the king why he’s bringing another household into the palace.
The king explains that he needs the help of the Hae Clan to settle border disputes with the Kitan (the people of Manchuria to the north), then asks Wook what stake he has in stopping the marriage. That’s when So steps in to provide another solution.
Their intervention doesn’t please the king in the least, but So goes on to say that he has a witness who saw one of Lady Hae’s uncles conspiring with the Kitan, adding that the Hae Clan should be punished, not brought in as in-laws. Their strength should be hindered in his view, and not helped.
But King Taejo says he will proceed with the marriage, since none of the options So presented are feasible. He has a responsibility to protect the border, and he sees no better way than to marry within the Hae Clan. Punishing them is not an option.
Su, having overheard the boys trying to stand up for her, runs out of the chamber. The king advances with the princes powerless to stop him, until he hears a crash and turns around. In her hand, Su holds a bloody vase fragment, which she’s used to cut her wrist.
In a shaking voice, Su tells the king that she cannot marry him with a scar on her body, which she’s now created. “Let me go now,” she pleads, and the king can’t help but admire her gumption. He orders Lady Hae’s uncle brought in, and Su proceeds to collapse.
Wook scoops her up in his arms and carries her outside where the other princes have been waiting. They all hurry around her, their faces painted with worry, as So watches on from the palace steps.
While unconscious, Su dreams of falling into the water, and of a death shroud covering King Taejo. She sees him drown, and also sees the fourth king of Goryeo, King Gwangjong, falling to the ground with a knife in his hand.
His face is obscured because she can’t remember which prince becomes King Gwangjong, but she does know that he kills his brothers in order to ascend the throne. “Which one of the princes is it?” she wonders.
She wakes with a start to see Concubine Oh at her bedside, who affirms that Su is alive and unmarried. She took over caring for her in lieu of a doctor, but Su is still being held in the palace. She also notifies Su of her impending punishment now that she’s conscious, but Su is ready to face it—she has no regrets.
Wook enters the room next, and Concubine Oh seems to understand why Su did what she did to escape the marriage. He comes to sit at Su’s bedside and takes her bandaged wrist in his hand as tears form in her eyes. “Everything will be all right now. It’s over,” he soothes her.
He informs her that the marriage has been cancelled because of her scar, and that the Hae Clan will stop pressuring her to marry. “Last night, I felt so pathetic,” he says in a low voice, almost in a whisper. He admits that he bent so low as to pray to his dead wife to return her to him, and that he would pay his wife back by showering Su with all the affection he could never give her.
“I asked her for her forgiveness, and for her to send you to me,” he confesses. “I begged her. If you had become the king’s woman, I would have never been able to forgive myself.” Crying, Su says that she was so afraid she’d never see him again, and couldn’t bear to part with him just like that.
Wook pulls her into his arms and tells her that she’s safe now—he lost her once, so he won’t let it happen again. She cries into his shoulder as he continues to soothe and comfort her.
When Astronomer Choi asks King Taejo what he plans to do with Su, the king nonchalantly says he’ll send her into slavery. Astronomer Choi is quick to do some damage control, claiming that Su could be of much more use as a court lady—Concubine Oh put in a request for her, since Su knows so much about herbs and cosmetics.
He frames it in such a way as to make Su seem pivotal to the success of the royal household, but Taejo knows his sons likely had something to do with it. He doesn’t know what her relationship to the princes is, but he seems game to go ahead with Astronomer Choi’s suggestion.
Wook and Su go for a walk in the garden, and share a silent moment as he looks down at her bandaged wrist, then pulls her sleeve down to cover it. In voiceover, we hear him say that he’s happy to take her to see his late wife, believing that she would’ve liked to see them together at her grave. Aw. So cute. So morbid.
Astronomer Choi meets them to deliver the news of Su’s new appointment as a court lady, and surprisingly, Su’s all for it. She knows court ladies get paid, and Choi’s more than happy to tell her about all the perks she’ll enjoy if she does her new job well.
Su is pretty positive about the job, and tells Wook not to worry about her. He gives a manly clearing of his throat before handing her a piece of paper, which she unfolds to reveal: \^ㅁ^/. (He uses the “ㅅ” and “ㅁ” Hanja characters to make up the face. It looks more like Hangul, but Hangul wasn’t invented yet.)
But the best part? Wook tries to imitate the symbol for her, and literally couldn’t be any more awkward about it. Love. At least he’s happy that he’ll be able to see her often in her new appointment.
All the princes (minus the crown prince and Yo) come running out to see Su, all hovering around her protectively as they each tell her how they worried about her and tried to save her. Su smiles up at all of them, until she remembers that one of them will go on to be King Gwangjong and kill all his brothers… and she wonders if it’s either Wook or So.
When it’s time for Su to go into the palace, fourteenth prince Jung gives her a little, “Fighting!” Wook tells her not to be afraid, and So just tells her nothing, even though he takes note of her bandaged wrist and small bundle of clothes.
Su walks alone into Damiwon Palace, and clutches her small bundle ever tighter when she sees the formidable Concubine Oh standing before her.
COMMENTS
This was a bit of a strange watch, and I wonder if that has something to do with the airing order having changed due to the first week’s triple header. I’m trying to figure out if this episode would’ve been better served had it come directly after Episode 5 as opposed to one week afterward, and while I think that might’ve mitigated some of the problem areas here, it wouldn’t necessarily have fixed them.
It’s hard to know whether there’s an issue in the editing, directing, or writing, but this episode more than ever had a sort of disjointedness about it, like we were seeing scenes chopped from other scenes that didn’t need to be in any specific order. A through-line emerged as the episode wore on that I was more than happy to cling to, but I felt more confused than Su ever was about what was happening to her and why. We slowly but surely came to understand the king’s reasoning even if he seemed to get short-sheeted in terms of information, but it all happened so fast that it was hard to actually get invested in Su’s struggle to not marry the king of Goryeo.
It was adorable that all the princes jumped to her defense though, even if Baek-ah’s storyline was resolved so quickly—and the presentation of it was a little lacking, what with them acting friendly directly after the funeral to us getting a flashback explaining their sudden friendship after the fact. I love Baek-ah being supportive and cute, but he lost a little bit of his personality in the process, since all the princes (minus Yo and the crown prince) all dote on Su now. Still, maybe complaining about having so many men at one’s disposal is neither here nor there, and we should just be happy that Su has such a ready and willing support system.
But since Baek-ah was on her side by whatever offscreen means necessary, it was great to have him be the one to convince So as to why he needed to intervene in the marriage. Even so, So’s reason for intervening was mostly left up to the imagination, and we got only snippets of moments from him this hour. I can’t help but want to see more So despite loving every moment with Wook and Su, primarily because I don’t want to be disappointed in the end by going down with the wrong ship. But man, this show really isn’t making it easy to not care about Wook and Su, who are just so sweet with each other—how are we honestly supposed to resist that?
It feels like we’re on the verge of a major shift in the story at least, with Su moving into the palace and out of Wook’s direct orbit. Maybe this means she’ll be in So’s orbit more, and we’ll get to know more about our most enigmatic of princes. But maybe, it just means we’ll get to know more about Su, who’s perhaps better off not knowing who becomes the future King Gwangjong. What you don’t know can’t hurt you, even if it kills everyone else.
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1 Shin
September 12, 2016 at 6:31 PM
Heads, you are so fast.. I haven't watch this episode yet... Both raw and sub..
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Shin
September 12, 2016 at 6:37 PM
Someone says that the SBS episode 6 and the same episode in dramafever and youku are have different version, there are scenes were cut and add.
Can someone give me both link for that I can watch both...
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endo
September 12, 2016 at 6:43 PM
Go to Dramayou. They both have the different version. Raw is the longer one and the english subbed is the edited (same as DF).
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Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 7:00 PM
is dramayou.com the only website where you can watch original SBS/raw ones?? Raw and subbed are different! Raw ones had some more scenes
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endo
September 12, 2016 at 7:15 PM
I only go to Dramayou because they're the only one upload Raw versions early and it has better quality . I just noticed the difference when i went to DF. Lol.
So i don't think those missing scenes will be translated because i think the raw is from SBS and the subbed is from streaming sites.
bollyp
September 13, 2016 at 1:36 AM
Unfortunately, even the supposed unedited raw version is edited. People have been complaining about the flow of the drama, since the first episode and now we know why. Not only is the directing off, but the post-production editing has been terrible as well. Goodness knows what they spent the months after filming, before airing doing.
From the leaked script, it seems scenes that were filmed in sequence, have been chopped up and re-arranged by the editors. Why? For example, the scene showing how So (4th Prince) and Beak Ah (13th Prince) bonded, over their fight with 3rd Prince that was shown in episode 6, was actually originally part of episode 4/5. It happened before the scene where Hae Su, was being beaten, and explains why So and Baek Ah arrived together. It seems instead of using the extra time to improve the drama, like an artist that doesn't know when to stop, they have overthought, over-edited the drama to the point that it became a disjointed mess.
Seems too many cooks, really did ruin the soup, and might explain why some side characters seemly have more presence than even the main characters. Seriously, why is 10th Prince still this prominent at this point of the story. The original arc for 10th Prince, was to give Rouxi, a friend when she first arrived; and his inability to control his own fate, was what opened her eyes to the reality of the time-period she is in. But Hae Su, has already had that experience, over and over again, the time she almost got executed, the punishment of her maid, and we even see this realization in her conversation with the 13th Prince.
It's almost like there were too many behind the scenes powers, pushing their own agenda and trying to jump on board what was expected to be a blockbuster drama. This is evident from the casting, to the OST choices, to the post-production work, and even down to the promotion of the drama, sigh...
bips99
September 13, 2016 at 2:36 AM
The SBS version also made more sense plot wise esp with the dynamics of 4th and 13th. Also the 13th attachment to HS felt more organic, though i still think the drinking scene should not have been a recollection, but a scene on its own. the voice over b/w HS and WS should have been an actual conversation.
i'm so livid today. Just watching the difference b/w the SBS and the international version (which was a last minute job in itself) .. How much better if they had it done it properly.
Whoever is the editor (i don't know their name or credentials) but they should not be let near an actual show again without a refresher course
Besides plot and show, I'm just crying thinking of all the glorious footage of LJK lying waste somewhere
Hanna Banana
September 13, 2016 at 3:08 AM
OMFG I am actually so pissed off right now.
No wonder when Hae Su's beating scene happened i was wondering how the hell did all the princes just causally appeared together, and also why did Baek Ah appear next to So? Are they gonna push their friendship now, as they did in the original? They should've totally had that scene in episode 4, it would be a good build up to their impending friendship! Seems like the editors added it in into this episode as an after thought because it would just seem too disjointed if So and Baek Ah suddenly had a somewhat decent relationship.
You're right bollyp, too many behind the scenes power, too little artistic integrity. Feel so bad for the actors who actually worked hard on this, particularly Lee Joon Gi. Those fat cats got their money, they probably don't care rats ass for the domestic ratings, it's only the actors who truly suffer, and SBS too I guess?
J
September 13, 2016 at 10:57 AM
Gals gals. You all do realize they use this ploy so that when they do a rerun there will be more viewers tune in just to see the difference. And also when they "possibly" release the director's cut, people will flock to buy it since it has the "better" editing? Hollywood has been doing this for decades.
Jan
September 13, 2016 at 1:00 PM
I don't think they had months after filming & before airing to do the post-production editing. They only finished filming end July, had to send for approval/censorship/subbing which usually take months and still managed to start airing end August. So, it seems rather rushed. But maybe they could have done post-production during the course of filming, or were they so pressed for time that they couldn't?
baek
September 22, 2016 at 10:08 PM
hate it when there are two versions.. where one would have more or less information over the other one.. (i would missed out on knowing everything!!)
its good to see that sbs edited their version and add in scenes to make more sense to the "story".. however they appear out of sync especially when they arent recollections or memories (since they should had appeared in earlier eps)
and probably this is the worst scenario where u sold a pre-production series for international broadcast (where u could not expect them to have the edited version for their same time broadcast..)
add also problematic, dont add also problematic.. they should really check and make sure 100%..
i know many other things are at factor.. maybe time, resources or unseen forces and pressure etc.. its just sad a good drama gets treatment like this when they got to be a lot better if not for these..
pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:16 PM
dramayou has only a subbed version as of now - these sites tend to get rid of raws when they have subs :(
Now I hope to god the SBS livestream is still free and works :(
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endo
September 12, 2016 at 7:24 PM
I checked and yes, they deleted it because of the copyright claim. I'll just try to watch as early as possible tomorrow just in case they'll upload the SBS vesrion again. *fingers crossed*
Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 7:28 PM
I just checked, the raw is still there as well as the subbed!
pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:32 PM
@cherryarrow - I can't see any links to the raw on dramayou - will have to take my chances on SBS itself and hope the stream doesn't skip or do weird things.
Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 7:37 PM
@pogo
Eh? http://dramayou.com/moon-lovers-scarlet-heart-ryeo-episode-6-eng-sub/
Raw Full works for me.
Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 7:43 PM
@pogo @endo
Wait am I missing out on something here? I'm confused. I just went on dramayou, and I clicked on the "raw full" and it works...
endo
September 12, 2016 at 8:16 PM
@cherryarrow. i went earlier and it says the video was rejected because of copyright claims. and then i read your comment and went back again and it's there. Lol.
Lin_K
September 13, 2016 at 1:59 AM
@pogo - I am watching their raw version now. It's still there :)
nids
September 13, 2016 at 11:39 AM
finally its all making sense....i wish i had checked the reviews here first before going half crazy over the difference between the raw and the subbed version.
Its making sense to me now but still no sense as to why would they do such obvious silly editing.
Now my biggest question of the hour is : WHERE WILL I GET THE SUBS FOR THOSE EXTRA SCENES !!! :(
Because the version i downloaded has subtitles for all the scenes except for the ones that were edited.
wackycashew
September 12, 2016 at 7:04 PM
If someone happens to know because you have seen both SBS and Youku/DramaFever versions, could you please tell me when does it start being different? Is it only starting from ep. 6?
I have been watching the Youku version since I can read Chinese subs and don't need to wait for English. I haven't seen the DramaFever version, but I heard the source is the Youku version? Could someone verify?
So far, I only saw the SBS director's cut version of ep. 1-3. I didn't see ep. 4-5 on SBS. So, if anyone knows whether those ep's are the same for all versions, I'd appreciate knowing so that I can backtrack those two ep's, if necessary. Thanks!
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endo
September 12, 2016 at 7:20 PM
Hi. Can you leave the link of Directors cut of 1-3?
On my personal experience. i only noticed the difference from episode 5 but it was just a difference in next episode previews. It was not until today's episode that i read people complained about different versions.
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wackycashew
September 12, 2016 at 9:06 PM
I saw the director's cut of ep. 1-3 that weekend after they aired on the SBS site, which you can create an account to watch. But I think after that, when a new ep. airs for the week, the older ep's are no longer free to watch. =( I think they let you only watch a few minutes and then you need to pay. I don't know if other sites uploaded them elsewhere. There might be copyright issues. I actually look for torrent links to download the HD raw files for shows that I like.
Thanks! So, just the preview, then that's OK. I'll keep an eye out for SBS version from now on.
chocopieb
September 12, 2016 at 10:00 PM
@lisa: i read that sbs will have their vods free during the chuseok holidays so maybe others can watch there during this time :)
wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:27 AM
@chocopie: Really? That's good to know! Chuseok starts on Thursday. ^^
snickers
September 12, 2016 at 9:27 PM
I think dramafever and youku have the same version. I've been switching back and forth between them. I'm not completely proficient at reading simplified Chinese so I want to spot check my comprehension. I can find the same scenes by video timing.
The scene where 4th defends 13th against 3rd is neither in youku nor DF ep 6.
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julilea
September 12, 2016 at 9:52 PM
And there is also this scene where Soo holds Wook in her arms right after he pushes her away. It gives the scene a different vibe as he doesn't push her away the second time...
This version is still available on DramaWaw.
svn13
September 13, 2016 at 12:04 AM
I've only 10 minutes of the raw version and it is slightly different. There is a scene between Baek-Ah and Hae Soo talking, inserted between the burial scene and scene with Wook crying. Wook crying scene is tad different, is just Hae Soo having her hand on his shoulder, not hugging him.
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wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:30 AM
@Snickers @Darcy @noname Thanks so much for confirming! I guess this means I'll have to rearrange my watching sequence to SBS > read recap > Youku so that I get all the scenes during round 1 and get the subs for round 2 with gaps for the cut scenes. What a downer this has been!! *sigh*
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LNL57
September 12, 2016 at 8:21 PM
Why are there more than one version?! Alternate endings I can deal with but alternate episodes?
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taro
September 12, 2016 at 10:39 PM
we have the original edit what you can see on youku or oneasia, and we have the re-edited version for korea
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SakuraTea
September 13, 2016 at 8:06 PM
Kissasian.com has the SBS version English subbed if anyone is still looking for it.
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2 lordseungri
September 12, 2016 at 6:31 PM
Not trying to be annoying here but why is Wang So/ LJG becoming more of a special appearance lately than a Male Lead? Give us more Wang So than Baekhyun x IU's puppet scenes @ makers .
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reader92
September 12, 2016 at 6:46 PM
I feel that. I'm honest to god nervous moon lovers is gonna pull a citt on me and swap the male leads and if that happens im flying to korea to see whoever is in charge so i can DECK THEM SQUARE IN THE JAW.
Nothing against wook or kang ha neul bc good lord he is a beautiful man but i dont find myself itching to know more of him in the same i feel about wang so. I think its bc as of right now he lacks an edge to me? I'm expecting him to become quite the fearsome prince tho since he is wang so's main rival for the throne (and hae soo's heart)
I also promised myself to not be sad about the ratings which most likely isnt gonna drastically change but god damn it why cant lee jin ki have a certified 20%+ hit? Is that too much to ask? @god.
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Kiara
September 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM
I'm here for Wang-so, the rest can just stand in the corner :p. He was born to rule Goryeo. Let the journey begin already.
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Cali
September 12, 2016 at 8:30 PM
I'm here for Wang So too!!
On the other hand, it's lovely to see all the princes except the 3rd one, rally for her. And quite cute when Wook gave her the drawing \^o^/ before she left to Concubine Oh place.
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Kiara
September 12, 2016 at 8:55 PM
Maybe we should come back later towards the end lol.
pogo
September 12, 2016 at 9:28 PM
@Kiara - noooo don't go! If nothing else, we can at least make it the weekly snark/oppa appreciation party like we had on SWWTN recaps.
Of course, there's the fact that he actually needs to show up more for that to happen.
bips99
September 13, 2016 at 12:54 AM
Don't anyone leave! Who will i commiserate with?
The way they are editing the whole show, i wish they would just forget the whole thing and show us all the footage they have LJK. Because lets admit it thats what we are here for. WS is such an interesting character and i see him for like 5 minutes an episode. What is happening ?
*flipping tables*
pebble
September 13, 2016 at 5:07 AM
Be patient, it's saving the best for last!! So Kiara, stay tuned..
It looks like this drama is now realigning itself with the original novel after steering off-course in the earlier episodes. For example, we are now starting to see the alliance of So and 13th Prince, and Su has also been recruited as tea serving court lady. So the presence of our 4th prince So will become more prominent in the last two-third of the story, especially in the last half, the story basically revolves around him. Rest assured, we will sure get to see a lot of jun-ki as the story unfolds. :)
Jann
September 13, 2016 at 1:20 PM
Since we are almost at one-third of the story, I hope we will get to see more So-Soo soon.
Kiara
September 13, 2016 at 2:49 PM
Yes I'm going to be waiting patiently :).
I don't have a DF account so I don't get to watch it until the day after :(.
MoruMoru
September 13, 2016 at 12:50 AM
yaaaasss TeamWangSo. I'm rooting for SoSoo couple instead of WookSoo
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Lin_K
September 13, 2016 at 2:04 AM
I'm here for Wang So too! We need more of him on the screen!!
And please don't leave, Kiara!
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AP
September 16, 2016 at 10:53 AM
im here for wang so too!
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Hu
September 12, 2016 at 8:19 PM
Let the Koreans drool over their Park Bo Gum and their 20+% ratings.
I can have Lee Jun Ki all to myself.
Maybe Lee Jun Ki has yet to have 20+% rating because @Gid himself is a fan of PBG.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 9:32 PM
Honestly, if Moonlight is clocking higher ratings, it deserves them - the Scarlet Heart production let down their entire cast with this choppy, poorly-developed, rushed episode (and with poor editing/post-production in general). Moonlight is a much better-crafted drama as a whole, though SH is still my crack thanks to Lee Jun-ki and the odd moments when the drama gets everything right (I was really into ep 4-5)
I want ratings to go a little higher for LJK's sake but there's no hope of that at all now. But I will still take him as Wang So over anyone else <3
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jakka_elle
September 13, 2016 at 12:41 AM
Yes ikr? You cant feel what you felt for SH eps 4~5 out from Moonlight. Maybe the next eps of moonlight but damn Scarlet made my heart jump that early. Makes us want more!!! Please dont be like cheese in the trap please. Now im just confused with the diff versions of ep 6 but its okay. The story is still understandable. Anyone has a guess who King Gwangjong is? I havent watched the original but this. Is exciting!
Tara
September 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM
Moonlight deserves the rave. It is simply a better drama, in every aspect. But Moon Lovers still has my love, for all its shortcomings. And also because it's still 'early' (!?) in the show.
jakka_elle
September 14, 2016 at 12:09 AM
@tara
i feel like im watching this show and learning about the HaeSoo-tory of Korea. Hahaha. I need this.
Soo youre in for some adventures trying to rewrite the past.
hwaiting!
\^o^/
Jjang!
oh the stress-su
okay. Did she say okay already in there?
sancheezy
September 12, 2016 at 10:06 PM
I feel like this comment kinda implied that Korean just loved PBG and they choose to droll over him no matter what happen,
this is reaching because the staff on Moonlight do a good job,
give them some appreciation, they work hard and it not always because of the actor, they work hard and everyone work hard so they deserve a payoff,
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Hu
September 12, 2016 at 10:56 PM
My... I was just joking around regarding LJK and his long overdue 20%+ ratings.
Whatever you interpretation is, I didn't mean to discredit Moonlight or PBG.
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pogo
September 13, 2016 at 12:58 AM
Lee Jun-ki did have a 30 percenter (no that is not a typo) ratings hit AND the most successful Korean movie of all time on his filmography before he went to the army.
I mean, I want him to have another in his 30s but he's always been a star.
Hu
September 13, 2016 at 1:56 AM
@Pogo
I know, his highest rated drama so far is Iljimae and he was really huge after The King and The Clown.
What I meant is that, post MS, he is long overdue for a 20+% ratings which tbh, he greatly deserved.
My joke above really has no ill-intention towards neither PBG or Moonlight. It was just a distasteful joke, meant to actually emphasize my love for Lee Jun Ki. Apologized.
Jann
September 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM
@Hu, if it's any consolation, one of the episodes of Arang had 20+% rating for Seoul.
@dena, Sometimes it's best not to read too much into comments on the net and make assumptions about implications which may not be there. After all, we say stuff like "All you gals can drool over A and his gorgeousness, I can have B all to myself" quite often.
Titi
September 13, 2016 at 2:15 AM
That is because in the original version (Chinese) 4th Prince din't get as much screen time until later. In the Chinese one she actually started dating 8th Prince...I think people expect too much from the show instead of letting the show take the form it was suppose to.
This story is from a book and a Chinese version so they have to stick to the story as much as possible. This version is even better bcoz the Chinese version was sad. That's why I like Scarlet heart bcos the story is a bit different from the regular cliche historical dramas...(had to dress like a man for whatever reasons n yet they can't tell by the features that that's a lady).
I am kinda disappointed that SBS re-edited this episode 6. Koreans might not like it but international fans LOVE it so don't start editing what you already pre-produced to suit TV request (this is not a live production!!!!) bcos all you are going to do is mess it up. Look at this episode it felt disconnected, I couldn't connect to it. Don't be desperate and show us what you already planned, you never know what might happen next.
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sancheezy
September 13, 2016 at 3:43 AM
haha, your little shade (had to dress like a man for whatever reasons n yet they can’t tell by the features that that’s a lady),
but in my opinion what SBS did based on netizen commenter actually produced a better episode that what actually aired in China,
and people didn't mess it up, they did it by themselves and then in the original, there's a set up why 8th prince is important on the 1st half and there's also a set up why we can suspect that 4th prince would have bigger role,
but here, we just got love triangle and some little moment for fanfiction,
I am sorry, i just can't content with this little pity party that something unjust had happen to scarlet heart goryeo and the viewers are being picky,
even if the rating for other saeguk is overrated or probably didn't even reach high, MLSC is not a top drama in monday either, my generous heart give them 8%,
story-wise it's bad,
it's beautiful but just to look at,
to very honest I think the commenters overestimate the drama, it's not that deep of a story as far as I see and always lowkey side eyeing the other drama,
I find this pity party need to end and acceptance is better,
this drama missed the point they should delivered and it's right to criticize it while still fangirl over the bias actor.
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IvoryLight
September 13, 2016 at 5:29 AM
"to very honest I think the commenters overestimate the drama, it’s not that deep of a story as far as I see and always lowkey side eyeing the other drama,
I find this pity party need to end and acceptance is better,
this drama missed the point they should delivered and it’s right to criticize it while still fangirl over the bias actor."
Well, you know what they say: different folks, different strokes. What might feel like over estimation of the drama , could be just right for others :)
I think your observation about the 'always' side eyeing of the other drama is bit of a generalization though. The majority of the comments on this thread are focused on MLSHR: analysis, reactions to the episodes, and yes, criticisms, a ton of criticisms even from those who really like the show.
And-I never feel like this is a pity party. There's a general sense of regret that the production team hasn't really done it's actors justice, but 400+ comments on average bemoaning ratings and the way the cookie crumbled would really be a turn off and not fun at all...which is definitely not the case here :)
jakka_elle
September 13, 2016 at 6:13 AM
As I do love scarlet heart, i feel sad that the ratings are like this and for that I'm worried that they might not finish this show and we might not know how it ends. I watch them side by side (MDBC, C4, SH...). But I feel like the other shows are really really really boring. SH and Jealousy Incarnate dont bore me. Scarlet heart is on fire. It is interesting (the historical theme makes me think I need this, it showed how Goryeo is one heck of a place) and it has the "kilig" factor with a bit of spice. I dont find the need to fast forward *w/c i already did for mdbc. Every scene here surprisingly matters. It's like a puzzle and i feel like the girl is in the middle of a mystery plot. The love story is convincing even if farfetched the thing about brotherhood falling for one girl is different in this show. Unlike the other drama errrr. C4. So childish. They're candy shows anyway they might be just that. Oh well. It's different for everyone. Ranking top 4 ... JI, SH, W (rough ride till its end) ... Gab Soon too. But GS has me so angry with some characters (the aunt ><!) especially the guy and i dont know maybe i should appreciate the writer. I want to complete the puzzle SH is or the tragedy it is. Scarlet Heart: Romeo. Sorry for spilling out my feelings about other dramas and for disagreeing with you. But I want to say what I truly feel. This show is in my heart. And you see i watch other shows too. So i've made my own comparison.
Jann
September 13, 2016 at 2:39 PM
Er, there's no pity party going on here. We're actually having a lot of fun here commenting & analysing the drama, enjoying the good stuff, criticising the flaws etc.
Whether the commenters are overestimating the drama or whether it’s not that deep of a story, I guess the majority of the commenters here may have a different opinion as the comments are really insightful.
There also hasn't been any love triangle story so far as the focus is on the romance with 2nd lead, so I guess somehow you have missed the point the drama is delivering.
Meanwhile thanks for the advice, we will continue to criticise the drama & fangirl over our biases as what we have been doing all along.
jakka_elle
September 13, 2016 at 6:41 AM
Ive proven to myself that this is quite something. The want to rewatch and still feel what I felt when I first watched the recent episode (*note. 4~5 is daebak). Ep 6 has all the promise, the surprise. It wasnt such a dissapointment. They are on to something. I honestly didnt notice the bad editing? They say?. That when I found out there was different versions, it didnt matter. Coz that means there's more!
On mdbc, with the scene of the queen and the gagging court lady i felt confused. Like huh what was that? felt the irrelevanc-y. Then its obvious that the kiss scene is dream. If tonight's episode shows its not then i take back all i said. It didnt feel like that confused on Hae Soo's sudden marriage to Taejo Wanggon. Lol. I remember her first meeting him scene. And that bg music hahaha. Then the princes running all over to rescue her because hey they have reasons right. and those reasons made my heart dokki dokki. HS lives up to being literslly the heroine when she 'volunteered' as per 4th prince's words just to save them all at that moment. See the irony of it, they were trying to save her but instead she saves them all. hahaha. But why oh why show are you doin this to me. Tearing heart apart. Wook is doing all the right lead guy stuff and So is like 'ill kill you' 'i dont care its her choice' when we all know the OTP. But meh. Ill just see how it goes.
Now how Hae soo handles what she remembered about the next king and how she will "act" on it is the next eps promise. Act on it (historical events). Which is impossible but the show doesn't dwell on that. I have this feeling Soo's 21st century identity wont interfere. Hey, is she just taking a history subject here? Hahaha. No. I dont want her waking up and finding out the purpose of this all is for an exam in the 2016 lol.
I dont feel the need to critic the production. For all its worth, im thankful for SH.
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sancheezy
September 13, 2016 at 8:26 AM
I check it in the Tuesday episode, it's not a dream
jakka_elle
September 14, 2016 at 12:03 AM
i take back what i said... hahaha. I dont know what to feel right now. still... @ 8 eps i feel like mdbc should offer more... hmmm. Well thank the heavens it wasnt a dream. Hahaha.
Meanwhile. Were still yet to see the kiss scenes here in SH! who gets to kiss her first?!
Lin_K
September 13, 2016 at 2:41 PM
Lol @your shade.
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sorrynotsorry
September 13, 2016 at 7:26 AM
l think I'm not having as many issues because I've seen the C-Drama. I agree with the poster that says it is now perhaps a bit more aligned with the novel. Because of the more limited time on this drama than the original, there is not the time to build the relationships so it seems a bit rushed, but I still find it a good time. Also, I loved having more of 4th prince in these early episodes. That is so not the way it worked in the C-drama so just hold tight everyone.
With regard to ratings, after I saw the writing on the wall, I moved on. Happy to see another drama do well because there were a few pretty blah years in dramaland; they needed some hits. SH seems to be getting international love and, I guess, that will have to suffice.
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Lizzie
January 18, 2017 at 8:31 PM
You are right when you say Kang Ha Neul is a beautiful man. xxx
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faith
September 12, 2016 at 6:48 PM
if by following original, 4th prince roles were not that prominence until half of story done... probably in another ep or 2, his role will be bigger..
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Lorena Carlos
September 12, 2016 at 11:35 PM
Yeah, actually we get more of 4th prince here than in BBJX (the original).
I really liked episodes 4 and 5 but i just dont get the feelings, BBJX was alot better ,cheaper but better.
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jessanno
September 12, 2016 at 6:48 PM
Yes! I have been saying this a lot lately! He is barely in any scenes.
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chocopieb
September 12, 2016 at 10:02 PM
ive only watched the original till ep 4 and i think altogether prince 4 only appeared for less than 5 minutes in all 4 combined lol well at least it feels like that :p
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 6:51 PM
Patience dear, I think they're following the novel here. We'll get to see more WS starting next episodes. Everything will start to heat up, the battle is about to begin.
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whimsyful
September 12, 2016 at 6:51 PM
Nah, they're just following the original. 4th prince doesn't really get center stage until the end of the first third or first half.
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Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 7:29 PM
As much as I love having more LJK scenes, I think the show is probably following true to the novel. When I was watching the original, I had no idea the girl will end up with the 4th until the middle
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Kiara
September 12, 2016 at 8:26 PM
I can't say I'm surprise because they were upfront with it. They did say that they will be following the novel.
Wang-so would be the main focus if they were following Goryeo's history.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 8:35 PM
It's ok if they follow the novel and LJK appears more only later, but at least reduce the amount of time we have to spend listening to Baekhyun. ....even Ji Soo alone with LJK was better if you need a younger prince.
Kiara
September 12, 2016 at 9:01 PM
*Sigh* I'm very disappointed with this production.
Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 9:32 PM
Sigh, I'm kind of disappointed, but it won't stop me from watching though. LJK is still the star of the show though, his acting skills is just perfection.
I think this show has great potentials, but the first 3 episodes really took a blow.
pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:31 PM
I feel disappointed too but the new episodes up to now we're good so I hope they improve.
bips99
September 13, 2016 at 1:00 AM
I think a part of the problem is that the Su-wook story has sort of run its course. When LadyHae died, it should have been the end of their love. or at least have one of them being reluctant. Because the dialogues they are now giving wook, makes me want to punch him, KHN's excellent acting not withstanding. They need to stop dragging this love story and move to the next part whether its so-su love story or the fight for the throne.
deyaa
September 12, 2016 at 7:10 PM
gosh..i feel the same think. LJG appearance was like 10 minutes. i love KHN but i am getting tired for this dragging romance. i feel like if you dont switch it now, its getting weird if suddenly Soo changes interest to So, like youknowhat drama.
So doesnt even feel attached to Soo at this point and visa versa beside she treat him like one of the prince and he treat him like his brother's cousins.
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paroles
September 12, 2016 at 7:14 PM
As the others have mentioned, in the Chinese adaptation his character wasn't exactly prominent till the second half. But really it's because the book is extremely female centric. No matter how you adapt it, doesn't matter that LJK gets top billing, the drama itself will be female centric as well. Everything is based around IU's character, so whoever she interacts more with will get more screen time as well.
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gem28
September 12, 2016 at 11:54 PM
The drama itself is supposed to be female centric but Hae-Soo isn't all that interesting for a female-centric lead. The female characters so far except Lady Hae also are pretty one note which is why I find myself increasingly disappointed with no Wang So. One thing that helped C-version was how Rouxi narrated the politics moving and how we could perceive it through her eyes. The only thing I perceive through Hae-Soo so far is that she is helpless and she is a fish out of water. I don't find that so much interesting. Don't know about others. 4th wasn't so prominent in the first half of C-BBJX but once he does, viewers knew this is the ultimate ruler and he means business. It was fascinating which made up for lack of him in first half. The whole situation is different in this adaptation so they are following the novel all on a sudden does not cut it for me.
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jakka_elle
September 13, 2016 at 12:46 AM
In the original did 4th prince kill them all? Is it a sad ending? Oh no... please tell me if the answer is gonna be a spoiler and ill keep my silence. im just to curious. These 2 eps per week are killing me.
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Val
September 13, 2016 at 1:50 AM
I've never read the novel but have watched BBJX. Like pretty much all historical Cdramas, yes it does have a sad ending. If you're really curious, the cdrama stuck to the original characters and how each character ended up is close to what really happened to them. Keep in mind that the kdrama is also based on real historical characters and their ending is still left up to the discretion of the writers.
skelly
September 13, 2016 at 6:37 AM
YES. This is exactly the problem I have with this show. It is supposed to be a female-centric show: reverse harem, fish out of water, someone with knowledge of the future. But Hae Su is so shallow, one-note, and rather stupid that she feels more like a side character than the main lead. Plus she is painfully overshadowed in terms of acting chops by Kang Ha Neul and Lee Jun Ki. The show has no center except when it focuses on So's story.
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jaesukisourgod
September 13, 2016 at 12:25 PM
every word of your comment.
Jann
September 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM
Since the political stuff only happens after she moves into the palace, I guess we have to wait for that to happen first? Oh wait, she just moved into the palace this episode, so maybe that story arc is just beginning?
And I hope we don't have to wait until the 2nd half to see more of 4th prince, Wang So.
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Kiara
September 13, 2016 at 5:50 PM
I just watched this episode and yes, it's starting.
Wang-so's way of consolidating power for the royal family/king is very different from Taejo.
Taejo is sticking with the old fashion way of alliance through marriage.
Wang-so thinks that cutting off the most powerful clan especially those that are not loyal to Goryeo like the Haes would be the best way.
I'm surprised that he is already sharp in his ability to deal with court politics in just a short time.
(I foresee a house cleaning in the future when he ascended the throne).
bips99
September 13, 2016 at 1:04 AM
The drama is female centric but this female in not interesting enough on her own to carry entire episodes. So we have these pointless interactions with younger princes which feel like fillers. Its just how the script has been written. WS is literally the most compelling character right now.
After that wook, i hope they have him changing from this calm, non ambitious , generally peaceful person to a true contender to the throne. that would be awesome
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Hye Mi
September 13, 2016 at 7:36 AM
This drama is not female-centric. HS is just the female lead. That she gets to choose between several pretty princes doesn't make this one any more female-centric than any other love-triangle rom-com Kdramas. So far the conflict we've seen most of is WSo and his royal family, and Wook and his 'life lesson' of love. We are neither told the story from Hae Soo's viewpoint, nor does she move the plot forward. We're seeing things from a third person's perspective, and at this point the only ones who are moving the plot along are Queen SMS and her minion Princess YH.
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Jann
September 13, 2016 at 3:05 PM
I think this drama can still be considered as female-centric because the focus seems to be more on the female lead's relationships with the princes, her cousin & especially Wook? It's also not very common to see a drama spending so much time on the female lead's love romance with the 2nd male lead.
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Hye Mi
September 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM
I think it depends on how each of us sees as 'female centric' really. The depth of relationships that HS shares with her cousin in the past eps does not feel substantial enough and now with Lady Hae out of the picture there is no further chance to make this any deeper, versus the C-version where RX's sister passed away very late in the drama and even though both sisters are separated for most of the time RX serves her time as a tea-maid, the time they share to bond is portrayed more at the beginning of the drama.
The way I see it, most of Kdramas are male-centric, even if they seem to focus on the female leads. Here are what I have noticed in most Kdramas (esp. most rom-coms):
1- The male protagonist's personal dilemmas and conflicts often enjoy more screen time and are often addressed/ resolved first.
2- The female protagonist serves as the one to 'complete' the male protagonist or 'entangle' his personal dilemmas and conflicts, or become his 'missing piece'.
3- The male protagonist is portrayed as almost perfect (lacking only in a significant aspect waiting to be 'completed' by the female protagonist, to accompany point 2), or in other words, superior to the female protagonist in a way (the one to lead the romance, the one to come to the rescue, the one who excels in a field while the female protagonist is clumsy or average at best)
4- The female protagonist is often reduced to the stereo-typically clueless, helpless, damsel-in-distress type who is most often passive, easily confused and emotionally affected by misunderstandings, to provide contrast with point 3.
5- The drama low-key adds 'holy aura' to the male protagonist by having random side characters praise him as handsome, or swoon over him.
6- One of the end effects of the drama is for the audience to swoon over the male protagonists and emphasise 'male power'
I would call a drama with all of the above elements a male-centric one. Depending on how much liberty is given to an actress or how powerful her acting is, she can balance it out with her male-costars. However, with the way the scripts are thus often written, there is nothing much an actress can really do to turn the table in her favour.
So having several men surrounding a woman, while boosting female self-esteem, doesn't make a drama female centric. From the moment SH chooses to focus on 4th's backstory right at the beginning of the drama, the focus has shifted. LJK has less screen time than Hae Soo, but viewers actually know more about his internal struggle than that of Hae Soo's. The show is still undergoing an identity crisis, and clumsily switches between female-centric clues and male-centric clues, but the focus on the male protagonists and side characters are very clear to me :)
Just my two cents.
Hye Mi
September 13, 2016 at 5:11 PM
*untangle not entangle.
Lol sorry for the typo. I was actually thinking about the movie Entangled while typing this.
Sota
September 12, 2016 at 7:35 PM
A very annoying and problematic trope that kdramas love to perpetuate is the idea of the lead vs second lead. Even in cases where love triangles are extremely close and competitive, the lead always wins the day. There is never any other option. It's like it's impossible to be in happy, committed relationships with multiple people in the course of a narrative.
One possible scenario, and indeed the most likely scenario, if the series is loyal to the source material, is that Hae Soo simply fell in love with the 8th prince first. This isn't a spoiler because it's happening before our very eyes, and it should be allowed to happen despite the billing of another endgame otp. This isnt the first time this has happened in this genre, I doubt there's any Cheese level protagonist assassinating conspiracy going on here.
So is clearly feeling some dokidoki shit right now, his time will likely come soon.
That being said, the disjointed editing is seriously killing the narrative, and really hampering my expectations for the rest of the series. It wouldnt surprise me if So and Soo's relationship ends up rushed and unfulfilling. But they've got hella chemistry and look otp af and so I am keeping my hopes up.
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Tara
September 12, 2016 at 9:20 PM
Everything you've said.
I was actually disappointed with this episode overall, but now that I'm certain I watched an abridged version I'll try watching the other version before episode 7.
I did think the funeral scene was really well done and Wook's grieving broke my heart, but most of the stuff after that....crapola.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:29 PM
Yeah it's like they started off as a really good episode and then became weird.
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rei
September 12, 2016 at 10:33 PM
I wonder whether the script would have been for a 24-episode show. I mean, yes we all know it is a 20-episode show, but they are rushing the plot, it shows...
Going around forums, the scene of So defending Baek Ah from Yo should go before the whipping scene of Chae Ryung then Hae Su by Yeon Hwa (that's why So came with Baek Ah when he stopped Yeon Hwa's whipping). This is based of a "leaked script".
This is a promising show with bad editing, really.
Pre-production:
The flow of the story is written by the writer. The scripts were printed.
Production:
They filmed the scenes based on the script,
Post production:
Bad sequence on editing storyboard. Bad editing.
Still looking forward to the next episode.
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Sun
September 12, 2016 at 11:35 PM
I really wish I can read the whole script for this drama. Sounds like it will be much more enjoyable than the drama itself.
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Titi
September 13, 2016 at 2:26 AM
I think their problem is, instead of letting the show take the form it was suppose to, the minute people complained they started editing an already produced show. BIG MISTAKE!
They forget that in show biz you cannot please everybody, know where you fan base are. Dd healer get high ratings in its time? No but they did sooooooo well internationally.
I am kinda disappointed that SBS re-edited this episode 6. Koreans might not like it but international fans LOVE it (esp Chinese that they even took the story from) so don't start editing what you already pre-produced to suit TV request (this is not a live production!!!!) bcos all you are going to do is mess it up. Look at this episode it felt disconnected, I couldn't connect to it.
They are acting in desperation and m so pissed off. My sister is soooo selective about Kdramas but "she" fell in love with 1-5 immediately! So SBS DONT go ruining it for us!!! Jeez!
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Tara
September 13, 2016 at 4:26 AM
Eps 1-5 was a good watch though. It's this episode 6 where the flaws are almost unforgivable. But clumsy and shoddy as it may be, at least we know the show's entering a new arc now.
Quinze
September 12, 2016 at 10:51 PM
lol @ dokidoki shit.
But I think you have the most reasoned response. We're used to kdrama giving us second leads that can be 100% perfect making viewers fall in love but never the actual heroine who always gets drawn back to the lead.
Here we get the balance of the female lead actually returning that affection for the second lead. It doesn't necessarily mean end game for him but it does give the story a sort of balance.
But yes, outside of Lady Hae's episode, today's episode was so badly edited I was getting whiplash in between scenes.
Seriously though I just want their otp chemistry to shine!
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:28 PM
Seriously this is not like Cheese that way at all. It's the messed up editing that spoil the experience.
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Tara
September 13, 2016 at 12:22 AM
Yeah, I was actually never afraid of this becoming like CITT. If anything I'm now more afraid of it potentially becoming like Dr Jin :(
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Mia
September 13, 2016 at 12:08 PM
I'm just happy this drama is one of the rare cases the second lead isn't friend-zoned. Is it really even a triangle when the lead female/male has no romantic interest in the second lead male/female at all? It's just annoying to watch a character pining away over someone that doesn't want them knowing it will lead to nothing but the same old predictable ending. That's why Dream High will always be a fave. I like to see these romantic relationships play out and then watch the lead actually figure out who they really want. Loved Reply 1997 too but the husband hunting gimmick became a pain with the second and third installments.
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bluegreen25
September 13, 2016 at 12:57 AM
Im a fan of Kang Ha Neul. But, much as i like him and his acting, im aching for more Wang So scenes. Like, isnt he the main prince here? I know they need to show the relationship of IU to the other princes but i feel the main character is being overshadowed. Do I need to wait for episode 8 or 10 before I see more development of his character? His presence now feels like bits & pieces.
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Iluvjis
September 13, 2016 at 7:43 AM
Not enough LJK in this episode. Anything less than 50% of the screen time is too little. Why would anyone in the production team thinking cutting a LJK scene worthwhile? I didn't see that scene between him & 13th prince and am all upset now.
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Laila
September 13, 2016 at 8:52 AM
I thought i was the only one. It's like SO is the second lead and Wook is the main lead. I starting to get really annoyed. This explains why their ratings are not hitting it. By the 3 week (Ep 6) we should be seeing more of the Main leads that the second leads.
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Tai
September 13, 2016 at 9:41 AM
the SBS version has way more LJK and you can watch it with subs at myramyun dot net (atm). but the scenes that were missing in the sbs version dont have subs, t hey are THERE but they have no subs (while the rest of the scenes do). so u get to enjoy LJK being beautiful and charismatic but unless you know korean, you wont know precisely what he said. the recap gives you the gist of it tho. i believe the subs they use for it are from Viu. but idk if anyone has (or will) sub the extra scenes that aired on SBS. whaaaat a waste.
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3 DangerousSnowPea
September 12, 2016 at 6:32 PM
Reverse harems are one of my favorite tropes, im really glad we got to see more of that today. Also...THAT SONG. I just want to know the identity of that song in the very beginning T.T
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NicoleAby
September 14, 2016 at 6:57 AM
Me too~ has anyone found out yet?
Please let me know!
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JulyB
September 15, 2016 at 2:58 AM
I need that song. The song has Hayao Miyazaki tone, really comforting and also sad. I really love that song.
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4 maryxiah
September 12, 2016 at 6:36 PM
I thought I was the only one who feel the whole episode is disjointed, the writing and editing on this drama are definitely its biggest flaws, and I think it's hard for viewers to follow when the story itself is not making sense.
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maryxiah
September 12, 2016 at 6:42 PM
Almost everyone in this drama is written to like Su even if it's out of their character, it's either too soon, or their bonding doesn't make much an impact for me to feel that she affected them in a special way enough to make them care for her. I don't buy her friendship with Baek Ah at all, I mean their one conversation wasn't special enough to make me feel that he can quickly forget about Lady Myung and fight to keep her from marrying some old guy, in fact, aside from Wook and So, I don't even know why the princes would risk it for her, they're not THAT close for them to give up their lives for.
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endo
September 12, 2016 at 6:52 PM
Baek Ah and Su's convo is not just a one-time thing. Baek said that after Myung Hee died. He and Su drinks almost every night. I think he warmed up to Su because she gave that talk about "do what makes you happy" thing. I don't think he likes Su romantically.
How the princes acted was pretty normal in sageuk. All the royalties "test their limits" until they gave in to noble idiocy. Lol. So i don't see anything wrong with how they want to protect Su. Because all of them are somewhat close to her. I would find it weird tho if 3rd and 9th was there. Haha.
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:03 AM
Yeah but even if I understand he feels affection for her because his nui did, it's so sudden, no?
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 6:53 PM
I think the conversation they had while drinking was they'll find each other everytime they miss Lady Hae.
How often could that happened?
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:04 AM
The problem is they tell us this, show us one drinking session and that's all. They need to at least hint better.
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Jann
September 13, 2016 at 3:16 PM
Since Baek said that he and Su drinks almost every night after Myung Hee died, then that would have been a lot of drinking sessions, because MH died in Winter (snow & barren trees) and it's obviously Spring now. The grass has also grown over her burial mound. They did have a short scene to show the passing of time with the melting snow in the pond, swimming ducks etc.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:10 PM
Yeah, the script told us that Baek-ah and Su became friends like that, but I didn't really feel it.
I mean, they could have spent less time on the blasted puppet show (and the less screen time Baekhyun has, the better) and a little more towards establishing this new friendship in Su's life that leads to Baek-ah actively trying to save her from a forced marriage.
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lolalarue
September 12, 2016 at 7:55 PM
Absolutely, please give us less Baekhyun, he's offers so little to the plot and I want to see the friendship between 13th and Soo develop! 10th Prince is childish but I don't understand why they make him act like a 10 year old (he's at least the same age as 13th and 14th right? Jung is meant to be the youngest as the 14th prince, so why is 10th played like a fool?). Bad directing in my opinion.
Not to mention needing more Wang So. In fact give me less of the Princes that will have little to do with the ongoing stories (ie 10th, 9th) and more of the future movers and shakers. I like the development of Wang So and Baek-ah friendship, could see more of that too.
I thought the flashback to the drinking was not well done at all.
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Jann
September 13, 2016 at 3:24 PM
The 10th is supposed to be a fool, lol.
Nessie
September 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM
They sorta skimmed over the relationship development too quickly for Su and Baek-ah, I mean we sort of saw it in flashbacks. So it's not surprising that we don't feel invested in this sudden new relationship between the two.
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Titi
September 13, 2016 at 2:30 AM
In the Chinese version she was close to the 10th Prince
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gem28
September 13, 2016 at 3:19 AM
In the Chinese version she risked getting Pneumonia to help the 13th prince when Kangxi punished him. That was after he fell in 8th scheme. Initially, she was close to 10. Then came 14 and 13th. 13th was her BFF. Her nickname was Death Defying 13th Sister. How could they not focus on the friendship more when tons of fillers could be edited out.
Hu
September 12, 2016 at 7:26 PM
Those who feel that every princes designed to like Su basically not aware that this drama is based on the C-novel and Scarlet Heart is not SH without the many princes and their relationship with Su.
Agree that Baek Ah's bond with Su could have better off been told directly instead of in flashbacks but the reasoning for others to help her are logical enough: Wook because of love, Eun because of his crush, Jung because he promised to protect her life, Baek Ah for their common affection towards Lady Hae and So because he did not realized that he has feelings for her.
I am happy that the drama is progressing to further story development instead of stuck with too much times trying to convince over the development of her relationship with each princes. Now i think the battle of the throne will take center stage.
I love the prominition scene so much....it gives me a certain goosebump knowing how unaware Su is of who will eventually become the gruesome Gwangjeong.
And though I have watched the C-version and aware of the story flow, please give Lee Jun Ki more screentime. Just couldn't get enough of him.
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maryxiah
September 12, 2016 at 7:36 PM
I think you misunderstood me. I don't find issues with the princes liking or falling or protecting Su, I'm finding issues in the flow of their relationship, like we barely covered the base their friendship and they jumped like 10 steps ahead, and I'm like whoa, when did we even get here? That's what makes the story severely flawed. It just doesn't makes sense. Hence, why I said they were written to like her even if it's out of character, the story wasn't well written or well executed.
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Amell
September 12, 2016 at 8:01 PM
I think most of us are aware that this drama is based on a novel/Cdrama but being based on those things doesn't excuse bad character development and skipping B to arrive at C.
Whatever it's origins a good drama is a stand alone, you shouldn't need other media and writers for after the fact explanations because it's complete in and of itself. It tells you what you need to know for the story to make sense and delivers it in a believable, well acted manner.
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tej
September 12, 2016 at 11:15 PM
I agree, it should be a stand alone. I'm not going to watch the Chinese one, read the manhwa AND THEN come to the Korean one. I understand that IU is the 'sageuk candy' here, and I don't even have a problem with all the prince's liking her (and neither should she, frankly) but the way they're developing those relations is so poorly done I want to set Queen SMS on the writer.
While I loved the fact that Baek ah coerces So into helping her , it could have easily been Jung who had done that (That way he builds his relationship with his brother AND he already has a GOOD reason to like hae soo)
And what happened to the abs? I'm sure Jun Ki has a bath everyday ! Let's promote public health, people ! Give us visual aid !
pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:19 PM
@tej exactly, Jung going to his brother to ask him to save Soo makes more sense because we know he likes Soo and he might also be seeking to have a better relationship with So. Baek Ah is a bit too sudden.
Tieresz
September 13, 2016 at 1:50 AM
@tej I couldn't agree more with the public health promotion XD but I can make it with some more Lee Jun Ki scenes (and the streaming version of this episode has even less of his scenes than the SBS version *very sad face*)
pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:15 PM
We know this is based on A novel but we still feel the drama is poorly edited and it's story is not being told properly. It's not anyone hating on it, we want this to be better.
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Titi
September 12, 2016 at 7:20 PM
I dint feel connected to this episode and I believe the problem is because they are trying to impress the Korean Market and overreacting by over editing what they have already prepared to air.
Inasmuch as they are disappointed by their ratings they shouldnot forget that they have international fans who actually love this show.
On online platform Scarlet heart rates more than moonlight. Do the research
So please stick to what you originally planned and your viewers will stick to your show and even get more viewers to watch
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Ira
September 12, 2016 at 8:00 PM
I totally felt the same. Is that why they released a bazillion different version. Why can't they just made up their minds. This drama is pre-produced so time can't be the problem.
The choppy writing and editing made the whole narrative build up just doesn't made sense to me. I know that given this drama has less episode than the original, they will need to speed up the plot. But show, you know you CAN choose what to prioritize instead of making a half-assed effort to cater to all characters.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 8:48 PM
They released that many vrsions because they screwed up in the first week and had to make a new cut for korean viewers but the outside versions were pre approved so SBS can't change them now.
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lolalarue
September 12, 2016 at 9:49 PM
The SBS versions are better for me (more LJK!) so I desperately need to find a place that is subbing the SBS version in English. I have never wished that I understood Korean more than today.
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Ren
September 13, 2016 at 2:53 AM
PSA: The SBS version is now fully subbed and on Dramalove.
pogo
September 13, 2016 at 8:17 AM
@Ren - the subbed version on dramalove isn't the SBS one, I just checked and it doesn't have the SBS logo in the corner! Looks like we're stuck with needing SBS raws :(
Ren
September 13, 2016 at 1:08 PM
@pogo- Did you check the HD tab? The SBS version is under there. But I spoke too soon anyhow only the first additional scene seems to of been subbed.
tej
September 12, 2016 at 11:17 PM
Does the SBS website live stream the episodes ?
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 11:24 PM
Yes, they do! If you sign up, it's free for a few days after the episode airs.
pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:34 PM
SBS website is only in Korean though.
5 IvoryLight
September 12, 2016 at 6:37 PM
Aaah recap is here!! Thank you Heads!!!
Lots going on in this episode, but not enough Lee Jun Ki, although I will admit to my bias as I would happily watch an hour of Wang So shampooing his hair or whatever.
Despite his limited screen time, I absolutely loved every scene he was in. From his throw down with Yo, to the way he stood up for Baek-ah (YASSSS the bromance is finally happening), and the scene where Ji Mong came to take Hae Su away…Did anyone else get the feeling that he would have happily taken out all those guards and spirited Su away had she even given the barest indication that that was what she wanted? No? Just me?
As usual LJK killed with the multitude of small shifts of expression he displayed in the episode, he’s such a pleasure to watch.
He was so badass and commanding in that scene and all this-girl-gets-off-my-horse-and-leaves-my-arms-over-your-dead-body that I was swooning all over the place. And that conflicted jaw flex when Su tells him not to worry about her? Sign me up for more of thattttttttt!
Now that we’re in the palace, I’m excited to see where the plot goes from here. As usual I find the Wook-Su love line sweet and poignant, and KHN slayed that crying scene. Wook’s realization that he did indeed love Lady Hae made my heart break a little, but I wonder now how they can truly proceed with the specter of her hanging over them, no matter how benevolent it may be. It looks like they’re managing it ok, but I am ready for the main love line to start now, so impatiently waiting.
Also, while I’m glad Su escaped punishment and at least gets to be a palace maid rather than a slave…I am mourning the loss of her gorgeous Agasshi clothes and hair pins. The yellow number she wore when in the garden with Wook? To die for. Also that frame of them in the garden was gorgeous, like something right out of a painting!! Can’t wait for tonight’s episode!!
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Dodgers
September 12, 2016 at 6:55 PM
Everything you said... **LOVE, LOVE, LOVE** I couldn't agree more. x 10000!!!
Especially this "Did anyone else get the feeling that he would have happily taken out all those guards and spirited Su away had she even given the barest indication that that was what she wanted? No? Just me?" Nope, me too!!
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IvoryLight
September 12, 2016 at 11:56 PM
@Dodgers I was half afraid he was going to go all Kill Bill on the palace guards but the way he was so cool under pressure and deferred to Su on how she wanted to proceed, after giving her the facts made me fall for So even more!
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM
The thing about So is he doesn't kill just like that. He never killed those men who tried to cut off Jung's arm either, just like with his horse he has a reason.
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maya2825
September 12, 2016 at 7:13 PM
Me too, me too!
Those tortured eyes and stern jaw killed me over and over everytime i watched...gah, LJK is just LOVE!
Can not wait for the upcoming episodes where So finally sees Suu often and completely falls for her.
What a super speedy recap, Head! Thank you..
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:28 PM
I agree, there hasn't been enough Lee Jun-ki for two episodes now, and I'm really starting to feel it - I get that this follows the pattern of the original novel, but would it hurt them to cut out that puppet scene and do something else with that screen time? Like do a better job of establishing why Baek-ah is now bffs with Su? Or well, more So?
But what we do get is still good - that horseback ride through the forest? And him helping her dismount even though he doesn't want to? I swooned. (I also root for Wook and Su but really, it's not possible now, though I loved their scenes together).
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Barbrey
September 12, 2016 at 9:14 PM
Love your enthusiasm, but all the scenes you're talking about with Wang So in them didn't occur in the subbed version I watched. Throwdown with Yo? Sticking up for Baek Ah? And there's a scene in the recap where he goes to almost strangle Ji Mong?
Why is the subbed version missing this character development? And why are we missing out on Wang So?
Also, the preview showed us Baek Ah and Hae Soo bonding in a way that would make them friends. That little flashback did not do it for me. As our recapper and commenters have said, what was with that?
I am not having difficulty following at all, and the editing isn't startling to me, but it was pretty glaring in that one scene I saw in the raws with So and Yo that So was wearing his old clothes and hairstyle so that scene should have been earlier.
Its possible they're dickering with everything too much in response to the low ratings.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:37 PM
That's because DF or whatever is showing us the crappy version they pre produced, the one with those extra scenes is what SBS re edited to show in Korea.
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IvoryLight
September 12, 2016 at 11:52 PM
@Barbrey lol yeah I'm a little obsessed with the show. I gave up trying to analyze it and just gave myself to the madness. As others pointed out, the live stream SBS definitely seems to be the one to watch. It wasn't the best edited either but definitely better than the subbed version I watched.
For your reference here's what went down between So and Yo and Baek-ah and So, thanks to the efforts over on the MLSHR thread over at Soompi:
"From my prior post:
As a quick summary of the scene, when So enters the room Yo again has a stab at him saying how even among brothers proper greetings and manners should be adhered to strictly. Yo says So still hasn't apologized for insulting him and their mother (i.e accusing them of the plot to kill the crown prince). So then replies that if that is the case then he is the one who should be properly greeted first since Yo hasn't yet thanked him for saving his life (meaning what he did to hide the evidence on the attempt on the crown prince). 10th Prince arrives saying the emperor is bringing in all the south factions into the palace. Wo says the emperor should embrace the factions. Yo then says, true, a country can collapse in one split second (without careful political balancing). Then Yo takes a stab at Baek by saying as an example, take a look at 13th Prince's maternal grandfather who was a grand Silla king but now is just a beggar relative who can't even enter the palace. So subtly defends Baek by saying that the princes are really no different to beggars since they rely on the emperor for everything and can't get anything if not on his good side. If you're going to live the life of a beggar, might as well go drinking. He then says "Speaking of drinking, Baek, are you a strong drinker." Back replies that is one of his specialties and both leave the room. Baek then thanks So for coming to his defense. So says no need to thank him, he just doesn't like the strong to pick on the weak.
Baek then responds to So by saying that still, he would never have been able to speak up the way So did."
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 2:10 AM
Thank you so much for this!
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Sethemonfire
September 12, 2016 at 9:37 PM
Everything you said. I loved the yellow hanbok it was so pretty, and I was literally jumping around my room and screaming So has friends, So has friends in the scenes with him and Baek Ah . It's so nice to see people talk to So regularly and ask him for help. He cares about his siblings (like in that scene with him and Jung), and once he feels like he doesn't have to be on defense around them he's easy to talk to. I'm glad the plot is shifting to the Palace, cause hopefully we can get more So scenes.
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IvoryLight
September 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM
@sethemonfire ahhh saaame. I've been waiting so long for him to be brought further into the fold. I think it's telling that the younger Princes went to him first instead of Wook...IMO So just exudes that I'll-get-shit-done aura which will probably be useful when he ascends the throne.
Also I had an LOL moment when Baek was dragging So along by the wrist hehe...I know it was a serious moment but that was the cutest instance of the wrist grab trope I've seen in a while, and then when all the younger ones came surging around him I could almost imagine So's wtf moment as the kids could barely look at him a while ago now he's being dragged into all their shenanigans.
It's good they're developing the brotherly ties...but it will make it even more difficult when the real game of thrones starts.
Also I'm low key loving Baek...after Wang So he's definitely my favorite Prince!
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:38 PM
Yes, Soo's pretty clothes will be no more T_T
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bips99
September 13, 2016 at 1:09 AM
When she said i'll go ... i was like "whaaatttt ? Don't do that" ... lets have WS going all out crazy on the royal army .... that would be glorious! ..
but as people said above, he won't kill indiscriminately but i wouldn't have minded watching a few more minutes of WS making everyone sweat.
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pineapplegongzhu
September 13, 2016 at 1:23 AM
I SO agree with you, IvoryLight! Wang So was SUCH a badass in his scenes. LJG owns each scene he's in.
I was also glued to my screen, wondering if a showdown with Wang So kicking ass was going to happen over Su! And when he told her to stay put, SWOON-CITY! I love it when he's protective.
I'm also excited to see So/Su's interactions now that she's in a palace. Finally, our OTP will have their time together! Exciting stuff! I'm particularly excited to see how Su will convince So to wear make-up so he can uncover his face. Are we ready for full-faced Lee Joon Gi?! Be still, my heart!
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6 Catherine
September 12, 2016 at 6:37 PM
I love that she obtained the affection of almost all the princes because of her spirit. She has that certain will to live combined with respect for the lives of others that is especially attractive in that period of time.
My guess for how she will start to distance herself from Wook and go to So is that it will probably have to do with Wook's resolution to protect her after feeling incapable because of the wedding fiasco. He will probably do things she will disapprove of in his grab for power to protect his love? He might be gentle, but he has a lot of steel in his eyes. He's probably capable of more than we expect.
What I'm concerned about are the little brothers. I don't want any of them to die in the battle between brothers. T____T
I'm almost certain Eun will end up with So, and Baek Ah as well. And Won will end up with Yo. But I don't know about Jung, and that worries me. And no matter what happens to Wook, he better not die on me. He made me cry so much after the funeral. T___T
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melodie
September 12, 2016 at 6:49 PM
To be specific to ur statement, I think it's probably going to be a conflict of ideology.
Prince Wook and his desire for power to protect the ones he loves.
And then Prince So and Baek Ah's desire to create a world where people like them with "lesser status" will not be bullied. I'm guessing Hae soo will side with the one she can relate with more.
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nomad
September 12, 2016 at 7:05 PM
I agree with you. People have been complaining about the lack of reason for the princes' protectiveness, but I see it plainly.
Wook: She brought life, laughter, and joy in his dreary household.
Eun: She's his first crush.
Jung: She jumped in at the risk of her life to save his arm (and possibly life)
So: She's the first one to not treat him like he's a monster and talk to him as a human.
Baek Ah: She shares his love for Lady Hae, and introduces to him the idea of a world where he could have been happier, and free to ask for Lady Hae's hand.
Won: No particular reason. He's a coward, and thus neutral in general. He seems to be the type to follow the flow to get himself in the least possible of trouble, being business-minded. If his brothers like her, he'll follow, but he isn't particularly passionate about it. Neither does he have a reason to dislike her either.
And there you go. Not that complicated how Su got the affection of so many people.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 7:10 PM
Agree to this!! A million times! You're awesome!
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:13 PM
I get why Wook, So, Jung and Eun would do it, but the justification for Baek-ah's joining in too seems a little rushed considering he was yelling at her for liking Wook just last episode.
I mean, you can TELL us why they like her (and I get it), but at least set it up more naturally, you know? Like So and Su's budding friendship last episode.
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Anh
September 12, 2016 at 7:22 PM
@pogo
I totally agree with you, even though we can understand the motive driven behind their attraction to Su, at least give us some natural development and building up relationship instead of a sudden time jump and almost everyone is willing to risk their position for Su
I thought Baek-ah would blame Su for a while long (for his sis-in-law death) instead of being protective of her
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grace
September 12, 2016 at 7:29 PM
Why would he blame her for her cousin's death. He always knew her end was coming. He was just enraged at Su and Wook saddening her because of her unrequited love on her behalf. But one, she never blamed them, and even encouraged them (and he knew of it). Two, she didn't die of grief, she died of illness, but still happy. Three, all three of them loved her. It's not difficult to understand why connecting all three of them through love for the same woman after her death is easier than distancing themselves by hatred for a death that is no fault of anyone but nature. Death tends to unite loved ones you leave behind.
pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:31 PM
Yeah, Baek-ah's intervention was the one I went a bit 'huh????' over - it's easy to understand why the other young princes, of course Wook, and even So would stand up for her, but the sudden shoehorning in of the 'oh yeah we drank together after unnie died and now I'm not mad at her anymore and we're bffs' did feel a bit forced.
Again, this is NOT the fault of the actors (IU and Nam Joo-hyuk were fine in that scene itself), the editing/directorial decisions seem to be the culprit. Again.
Anh
September 12, 2016 at 8:13 PM
@grace
Baek-ah was the one went ballistic and confronted Su for her and Wook budding feelings, because he felt unjust for lady hae. From my point of view, he would have hated or disliked Su for a bit longer, as he would have thought lady hae suffered from knowing her husband is in love with her cousin in her final months?
From his point of view, he didn't know about lady hae approval, nor did he know about the walk that wook had with lady hae, or even wook actually had love-ish feeling for lady hae. He disliked wook for not caring and reciprocate lady hae feeling. So from my understanding of his character portrayed from ep 1-5, his relationship with Su wouldn't change that much, to the point they're bff and he wants her to live freely. I know there's a time jump, but at least building the relationship a little more? instead of a 180 turn with minimal explanation
@pogo
yup, I agree that it's the production team is at fault, with all the editing, cinematography, bgm and such
AniApple
September 12, 2016 at 8:50 PM
Absolutely agree that it was rushed; I watched one of the cut versions and was even MORE confused because I have no clue they were friendly at all until they did the flashback. It was super jarring.
On the other hand, though, my brain just subbed in a bit of a reason. I feel that beyond their drinking nights bonding, there is probably a spill-over of Baek-ah's affection for Lady Hae? Yes, he was upset over her and Wook's situation causing Lady Hae undue stress, but he also knows Su did her best to take care of her and how much Lady Hae cared about Su. So at the least, he can watch over Su for Lady Hae and protect her from what she would never have wanted for Su now that Lady Hae has passed. T(here's also the part where he knows how miserable arranged marriages can be for the people involved, he limited himself, so maybe also trying to make up for that with the person who first encouraged him to 'live freely'.)
Sidenote: Does anyone else notice how literally every time Wook promises to protect Su or something of that nature, something horrible will then subsequently happens that he CAN'T solve?
waitwhat
September 12, 2016 at 8:04 PM
Yes yes yes!!!
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 8:51 PM
Not that there's no reason for the princes to protect her, I can understand well with all the princes except 13. But Baek ah suddenly becoming friends with Soo is a bit, I don't know, jyst comes out of nowhere.
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svn13
September 13, 2016 at 12:35 AM
I would add the comment of Lady Hae, telling Baek Ah, the he and Hae Soo are like brother and sister, as they have similar personalities (the pavilion scene).
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AP
September 16, 2016 at 1:47 PM
shingihada! shingihada! shingihada!awesome. ppl complaining about how come she have a great deal of affection towards the princes when they say that she is not a type of a girl that can swoon the princes (and they are talking about the looks) what are their differences to the ppl who mocks Wang So bcoz of his looks? *cringe*
she really got the sincere heart to tell and do what she wants without any inhibitions and she does not look at the position of the princes and her servants as well.
well, the only that i am confused about is how they developed the friendship between baek ah and her. lol. but not complaining though, i am satisfied and enjoying what is there to avoid disappointment.
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grace
September 12, 2016 at 7:24 PM
"I love that she obtained the affection of almost all the princes because of her spirit.
>>>>>>She has that certain will to live combined with respect for the lives of others""""
15+alpha to this comment of yours. I would frame it if I could.
People seem to sleep on Su's charm, or underestimate it. But it's really not easy to be like her. She has a strong will to live, but isn't selfish in the process. Instead, it helps her relate with everyone, and like you expressed so eloquently, help her respect them, treat them as equals which, of course, is unusually rude behavior but a behavior that helps her connect with all of them on a human level which not many people at the time could, what's with all the politics and treating humans and family as chess pieces.
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:08 AM
The thing is they showed well how the 4,8,10 and 14 all fall for Soo's charm or come closer to her because they like her. With Baek ah it's too sudden or not properly done.
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Woooook
September 13, 2016 at 8:34 AM
Wook when he cries makes the heavens weep. My heart! Can't we just end it here and let Wook get his girl...
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Yuki
September 13, 2016 at 12:06 PM
Yeah, so bad that it will not happen... :( I guess I'm in the minority that is shipping Wook and Su. Their chemistry is great, there is also this sexual vibe which makes their attraction so realistic; moreover they are so cute together and, for once, I would love to see the shy guy getting the girl instead of the bad boy.
I doubt that Moon Lovers will have enough appeal to me after this love story is gone, well...if they turn Kang Ha Neul into a villain I could watch only to drool at his sexiness, haha!! but I don't think I can watch 15 more episodes of heartbroken Wook...
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7 Hanazumi
September 12, 2016 at 6:38 PM
Well, now I know Hae Soo will end up loving the 4th prince but she can't marry him officially since she has a scar now. Having a scar in those times prevent a lady from marrying a king. I just find the 9th prince's presence very random. He's not into caring about Hae Soo but he's there when all the princes help her.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 6:56 PM
OMG. You're right! T_T because of that same scar she lost her right/chance to wed the King. She can probably be a Prince concubine tho
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:14 PM
YES, I thought of that too! But on the other hand the fact that they both have scars might actually bring them closer together now.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 8:03 PM
But Great King WS cannot marry her now. Omg
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tej
September 12, 2016 at 11:25 PM
Does that rule apply to a prince as well? Cause, if not, he can marry her right away ! Yunno, after he gets it through his head that he has feelings for her (I don't blame him though, that mask is super thick )
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:11 AM
I suppose it's ok for him since he also has a scar and can't be a future king?
pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:40 PM
But if he becomes king, he himself will have a scar... maybe get rid of that stupid rule about no scars?
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banini
September 12, 2016 at 10:27 PM
Since their scars might play a role in So and Su's relationship maybe they should have named the show:
Scar - let Hearts
Scarred Hearts of Goryo
\^o^/
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Sukrutha
September 12, 2016 at 11:30 PM
Haha good one..
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 11:46 PM
haha good one!
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:12 AM
?????
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loveblossom
September 13, 2016 at 10:13 AM
Hahaha, this made me chuckle out loud. You are good, banini! xD
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AP
September 16, 2016 at 1:49 PM
i laughed my ass out about this comment. lol
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darcyM
September 13, 2016 at 2:22 AM
Yes! I think it will be something that draws them together too. Especially the contrast with Wook's reaction to her scar (well, her bandage anyway). Wook covered it up. He didn't want to see it. Perhaps he is influenced by the thinking that physical beauty elevates your worth as a person. So, on the other hand, literally stares at her bandage. It's something that unites them, this marring of their physical beauty (although, haha, who are we kidding? They are still both gorgeous). So knows what it's like to be discriminated against because of his looks, he knows that it shouldn't change your value as a person.
And (extrapolating a bit here) So wouldn't be afraid to acknowledge her scar, or by extension, what it represents: Su's determination to live as her own person, and to make the hard choices to do so. Whereas Wook is determined to protect Su, perhaps even at the cost of her choices. Notice how just after she cuts herself with the pottery, Wook wants to rush to her side and make sure she is safe. So, however, stops him. He realises that she is acting to save herself. So, like Wook, can clearly see that she's hurt, however, instead of rushing to sheild her, So dignifies her and respects that she knows what she's doing by allowing the consequences of her actions to play out.
One of the themes of this drama so far (to me anyway) is about a person's worth. Is it defined by their physical beauty, or their connections, or power? Are you above having to show common decency just because of your rank? Being a modern woman, Su obviously doesn't think so. To her, a slave is still worthy of respect, a well-deserved apology, and being treated like a human being. While Wook is generally a good man, and I don't think he'd disagree with Su's viewpoint, to me, So is much more on her wavelength in this regard. Wook couldn't look at her injury whereas So couldn't take his eyes off of it.
Anyway, just my mini-essay based on a few moments of bandage gazing ☺
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Harambae
September 13, 2016 at 7:43 AM
Omg, great analysis!
Yeah, I also agree and think that Wook repeatedly covering the bandage signals his refusal to admit that in a way, Soo's physical perfection no longer exists, and is flawed. You could go even further and say Soo choosing to cut herself causes her to escape the marriage, but is also an action of defiance and autonomy.
I think So and Soo are both restricted by the expectations placed on them, with Hae Soo realizing how hierarchical this whole society is and how women are viewed as utterly inferior when faced before the king.
I ship Soo and Wang So sooooo much but LJK gets so little screen time :(( the way they think so similarly and how the drama portrays it in subtle ways is brilliant. Can't wait for future eps !!
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Amell
September 12, 2016 at 8:12 PM
If the drama does go that way I'm betting that Hae Soo will make some sort of healing cream that reduces the potential scaring so that it's barely visible by the time they marry.
Or they marry before he becomes king.
Though honestly I'm expecting a time jump where she returns to the modern world for a while during which the whole King, brother killing, history stuff happens.
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paramount
September 12, 2016 at 9:41 PM
I think the 9th prince is more like one of those characters who will change to whatever side appears to be "winning." If you notice, since they were united he passively helped them (he wasn't there when they tried to help her escape on horseback)... but before Wook came out with Soo in his arms after cutting herself, Won was like "Let's get out of here!" because it was looking like they hadn't been successful.
I don't know if his character holds any significance later but for now I find him so boring.
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jomo143
September 13, 2016 at 10:03 AM
Did anyone else think of the smallpox vaccine scar on her arm?
EVERYONE has one. It would be difficult not to spot it.
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Stephanie
September 13, 2016 at 10:28 PM
Not to mention she totally cut her neck not that long ago. And even with a salve I would have thought some evidence would still remain, however faint. Must've been SOME salve Wook gave her. LOL
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8 endo
September 12, 2016 at 6:39 PM
Is anyone have idea why there's a difference between SBS version and Dramafever version?
So i'm so excited that i watched the raw version this morning. So by the time DF uploaded theirs. I watched it again and i noticed some parts are missing. And i read that some people noticed it too and disappointed by this.
This recap was the SBS version (i think). So should i watched Raw versions now so that i won't miss anything?
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 6:56 PM
SBS pre-produced this drama for Chinese simulcast approval, but when they finally aired, Korean viewers raised such a stink over the poor editing/horrible OSTs that they re-edited the Korean tv versions.
But the ones that went out for Chinese/international approval still remain the same, so it looks like us engsub-needing people are stuck with the non-re-edited ones.
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endo
September 12, 2016 at 7:00 PM
Thanks. Now that made sense. I guess i really have to watch the RAW version now. Lol.
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:15 AM
Raw version can be watched on dramayou but there are turorial on twitter about how to sign up to watch on SBS website .I think if you ask on soompi also someone will tell you how, they all live stream.
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Nat
September 12, 2016 at 7:48 PM
Here's what I noticed:
There the scene that was in the original SBS air version where the princes are all together and Wang So comes to the defense of Baek-ah, and Baek-ah is all thankful and follows his hyungnim outside to thank him. I remember thinking this must be the beginning of their relationship. But then it is for some reason absent in the Dramafever version, and had I not seen the raw before, I would have thought that Baek-ah and Wang So’s sudden closeness came out of nowhere (by closeness I mean how he kept going to Wang So for help with Hae Soo all the time).
Scenes in the SBS version not in the DF version:
-Hae Soo and Baek-ah’s talk in their mourning garb after the funeral
-The queen’s discussion with the king about what I am assuming is the pending marriage
-Scene where Wang So chokes the life out of poor Astronomer Choi
-Whatever Wang So says to Astronomer Choi in the last scene right before Soo enters the palace, and even the small exchange where Soo looks at So when she’s thinking about who will be the king that will kill his brothers
(I’m sensing a pattern here, Wang So is kinda my favorite character, please don’t omit his scenes)
Scenes in the DF version not in the SBS:
-The scene where princes distract the guards so that Hae Soo could escape before they take her to be married – that scene only had the part where Baek-ah pushes them out of sight in the official version
-Scene where the princes are outside the palace worrying and wondering about Hae Soo’s fate before Wook comes carrying her out
(Is this what they think international audiences prefer? Because honestly both these scenes are so expendable compared to the ones above in my opinion)
Even the music is different too:
-In the final scene where Soo stands on the stairs before Concubine Oh - In the raw version, the music was definitely ominous; in the official version it was… don’t know how to explain it… like a new uncertain beginning? Either way, the two scenes gave a completely different feel.
Luckily because I was too impatient I managed to see everything, but I still feel cheated that the episodes are not the same. I don’t like knowing that the story I’m invested in is being manipulated so that I don’t get to see all the scenes, especially ones that I think are important.
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Liseth
September 12, 2016 at 7:58 PM
What happens is that in Korea are angry about the little screen time of Lee JoonGi, so they added more scenes of WangSo, which had been eliminated in the first edition.
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blnmom
September 12, 2016 at 8:08 PM
Holy moly. What a mess. Thanks for those details, Nat.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 8:53 PM
this is so frustrating, why did they have to do this? All those scenes just missing..
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August
September 12, 2016 at 9:19 PM
Thank goodness for the recaps and posts here. Without you all I would be so confused about which drama version of MLSH I'm watching.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:49 PM
Yeah imagine if there was no db or soompi..
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9 luvnlife
September 12, 2016 at 6:40 PM
The opening scene at the funeral was amazingly directed. Also, kudos to the music director for the singer in the background. The following scene of Wook crying with Soo really pulled at the heartstrings. Acting at it's best.
Looking forward to more scenes of our main lead. I thought he might swoop in and marry her but then realized we are only at episode 6.. too early. :)
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Barbrey
September 12, 2016 at 9:23 PM
Yes, I'm glad you mentioned it. Beautiful.
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:16 AM
Yes that scene and then the one of Soo and Wook together were beautiful
And then they brought the freaking puppets.
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luvnlife
September 13, 2016 at 5:00 AM
Ugh... the puppets. It was such a 160 unnecessary transition. I was hoping to see our lead looking on and empathizing with her sadness/loneliness but he was no where to be seen.
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10 Ahri
September 12, 2016 at 6:43 PM
Those final 5 minutes were beautifully done. The princes cheering her on could have been cheesy, but that dark foreboding that one of those smiling princes is going to end up murdering his brothers was perfectly ominous. Which one is it, which one of these nice young men is going to end up killing his family? And also when Su entered Damiwon palace and the camera was slowly sweeping around until it cut to her looking up at Concubine Oh was nicely done, the cinematography and music was blended so well.
It does feel disjointed to me that we have a pretty predictable episode and then you have those serious dark flashes to what's going to happen...then we're back to romantic, then cheerful again? Hopefully it will settle down by the next episodes.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:00 PM
yeah, I loved the funeral scene and the last one - I think we're given a pretty clear message that Su isn't going to find life in the palace easy going. Not to mention the question of Gwangjong - and I think she thinks that's Wook, since she assumes So could never be king with a scarred face.
Sometimes this drama is just so gorgeous, and sometimes I just want to curse at whoever messed it up.
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IvoryLight
September 12, 2016 at 7:51 PM
@pogo
Same. Sometimes it's so good, and other times it's like...wth just happened? The whiplash is real with this one.
With that said sign me up for the director's cut, extra long episode DVDs. Would love to see what they had to sacrifice at the altar of the editing gods to fit everything into an hour.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 8:05 PM
They filmed for 6mos and probably a lot of those never made the cut. That is what I am sad about. A lot of hard work wasted and we will never get to properly appreciate. It's heart breaking
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:22 AM
6 months?! And then they didn't even bother to even try to make all that into proper episodes until korean viewers complained.
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LYF
September 12, 2016 at 9:14 PM
Am I the only one who found it weird that out of ALL princes, Soo thinks that the one she's in love with (8th) will be the one cruel enough to kill his brothers? I'm guessing that she thinks that way because deep inside she really wants him to be king and win the whole political game, but I felt a bit weirded out that she would think Wook has a dark side to him so early on
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Barbrey
September 12, 2016 at 9:41 PM
It's interesting, isn't it. I can't get a good history of this period in English online, but from my understanding Wang So doesn't actually kill his brothers, just a few nephews who revolted against him, and a heck of a lot of other people trying to, or he thought were trying to, destabilize the throne, many of them with ties to his father's wives. But his brothers? Nope. So I don't understand why she keeps thinking of Gwangjong (sp?) who killed all his brothers unless that history has been left out of Wikipedia and the other English sources I've read. Which why would they leave that out when they do mention he executed his two nephews?
My thoughts:
1) It's possible the history sources I've read do leave it out.
2) It's possible that one of the princes does kill some of his brothers but it isn't Wang So (Gwangjong). I mean, we have Mu and Yo to inherit the throne before So, and Wook will possibly be battling for it. She's already collapsed history by forgetting the intermediate kings, could she have collapsed the period and muddled this much up too?
2) Korean history as known by Ha Jin (later Hae Soo) included a Gwangjong who killed all his brothers. So Ha Jin's modern Korean is different from our Korea - she's in an alternative future. When sent back, she prevents Gwangjong (Wang So) from murdering his brothers, and that's now the history of Korea in real life Just a speculation but a very valid one if in fact Gwangjong didn't kill his brothers in real life.
I wish someone who knows Korean or took Korean history could tell us definitively if Gwangjong was known for killing his brothers like Su says. Anyone?
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tej
September 12, 2016 at 11:41 PM
OMG, YES! I've been scouring the net trying to find out which of his brothers Gwangjong killed to no avail. I like your hypothesis about her preventing it from happening !
I wish someone could give us a short history lesson TT
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vuitten
September 13, 2016 at 1:00 AM
your second point... oh my goodness
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Katy S.
September 13, 2016 at 8:05 AM
Oh my gosh, my thoughts exactly! I said as much too. But I did some more digging and basically the only historically accurate facts in this drama are their names, everything else is taken from the Chinese drama's story-line. Since we, foreign viewers, aren't familiar with the actual history the alternate history that Hae Soo is familiar with was doubly confusing. Sheesh, the things we go through with these drama's!
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Katy S
September 13, 2016 at 8:14 AM
Hilarious! I just saw your comment on my thread saying the same thing. I get it now, as usual I'm digging too deep and over analyzing the drama. But that's awesome that you thought the same way I did about the alternate-alternate history. Or is it an alternate-alternate-alternate history?
Evelyn
September 12, 2016 at 10:02 PM
I find her whole trying to figure out which Prince is gonna be Gwangjong really intriguing as well. I get quite excited whenever they show scenes that show her thought process on that. It's like she's trying to figure them out and thus figure out her next move too.
I'm actually personally not too surprised that she suspects Wook so early on as well. Although she likes him, and she's aware of those feelings, I think she is aware on some level that she doesn't know him THAT well and as a result doesn't really trust him on some level. Also, she has seen his nice and not-so-nice sides of him. I mean, their very first proper interaction when she woke up was the scene in the library and he was very very authoritative and stern with her there. That would have made quite an impression on her.
I think the same can be said of how she feels about the rest of the princes. Whilst she knows they all have some sort of affection for her, she also knows she's living in a very different world and what with all the politics and backstabbing that goes on in the palace, it really does and will bring out the nasty side in anyone. It's like a ticking timebomb really.
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tej
September 12, 2016 at 11:37 PM
I think the main reason she doubts Wook is because he's clever. He can use his intelligence for evil deeds but hasn't so far, but if push comes to shove, he just might. That would be my reason for suspecting him. So... well, wolf-dog says it all doesn't it? She isn't suspecting YO cause she hasn't seen him as we (viewers) have.
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waitwhat
September 12, 2016 at 11:44 PM
+1!!!! I'm all for your comment
(sometimes I do feel reading comment section here enlightens me much more than watching the drama itself)
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Rosepetal
September 13, 2016 at 3:25 PM
Exactly! Honestly, all the speculations and inferences commenters make here seem to be a lot more interesting than the writing of the drama so far. It would've definitely been more interesting to actually see these speculations play out in the drama.
11 Coco M.
September 12, 2016 at 6:44 PM
Am I the only one getting Zuko vibes from So — both princes, both damaged, both seeking validation from the parent who had scarred them *cough*bothsexy*cough*? Their need to belong is so touching, it's almost painful.
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Ivo
September 12, 2016 at 7:12 PM
@Coco M.
You're definitely not the only one. Sometimes the parallels between So and Zuko are so strong I want to call him Wang So-Zu >_<
Zuko is my favorite character in the Avatar series..probably another reason I love Wang So's character so much!
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Nat
September 12, 2016 at 7:56 PM
I totally see the similarities! Except I'm still kind of wanting to know what happened to Zuko's mother, lol. At least she loved him though, which unfortunately isn't the case for So. I really would like to know why she hates him so much.
Also, despite So's savage streak, I somehow feel like he's way more of a softie and way less angry than Zuko (at least at the beginning of the Avatar series). So just wants some love from anyone, Zuko was obsessed with having dad's approval, but both super starved for affection and make me want to hug them and be the mother they never had, haha.
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Stephanie
September 13, 2016 at 10:42 PM
I figured she hates him because he is living proof of her weakest moment and the reminder that she scarred him herself disgusts her, so she takes it out on him. I don't think at the point before her scarring him she was actually serious about hurting him. I felt it was a bluff. And when she did, she hates facing that part of herself. Not to mention the whole scars on the face being terrible omens/pulling down their worth, and she did that to him, essentially pulling her OWN worth down too, and causing that whole scene to spectacularly backfire on her. Another thing she wouldn't want to face. SO she sent him away, out of sight, out of mind, and no one the wiser she grievously injured her own son.
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pickledplumtree
September 12, 2016 at 8:35 PM
OH MY GOSH I am ///so/// glad you brought this up! I don't know how I DIDN'T see it before! Well done!
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 8:55 PM
Zuko from Avatar? Lol yes.
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12 jessanno
September 12, 2016 at 6:46 PM
I watched a different version of this episode on Dramafever. The extra scenes talked about in the recap, I definitely did not see. I wonder which one is suppose to be the finished version...
Anyway, this episode was adorable! I loved how all of the princes teamed up to help Su. It was the cutest thing ever!
And I really can't wait to see more of Soo. Hopefully, now that Su is in the palace we will get more scenes with them together! While I do think Wook and Su are adorable, I still can't ship them. Even if her cousin is dead. Even though technically that isn't her cousin but still. Can't do it.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 6:54 PM
I got a different version too - if it's without the SBS logo in the corner, it's not the version airing in Korea. SBS was hit by a flood of complaints following the airing of ep 1-3 so they re-edited the lot for domestic broadcast and I think they went through the rest of the episodes too, but the versions that went out for Chinese and other international airings, stayed the same - editing issues, soundtrack and all.
I'm really annoyed that the non-SBS versions are the versions being subbed now, smh.
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Ren
September 12, 2016 at 10:04 PM
I'm really annoyed as well. Is this going to happen with the rest of the episodes going forward and by the end of it I've basically watched a different show from what SBS aired? I don't want to sieve through different streaming sites to see if they've subbed the SBS version or go out of my way to watch extra scenes raw.
I know this sounds petty, but I'm almost inclined to drop the show because I know it's going to irk me that the version i'm watching isn't the director's final cut.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:51 PM
Subbing sites should pick up SBS version to sub, it's better if they do that. No one wants the messy original version.
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Ren
September 12, 2016 at 11:57 PM
Sadly I don't think that's going to happen, it's been a little while now since episode 6 aired and there's not even a cut of the extra SBS scenes that have been subbed.
Mostly of the streaming sites seem to just copy directly from Dramafever anyway. I think dramalove is an exception?
pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:20 AM
If there's viki then they get viki subs. But for this drama it looks like we have to watch the raw version separately , why do they leave us international viewers with the bad version :(
angieya
September 13, 2016 at 4:07 AM
@Ren, no wonder dramalove was late with the upload, (normally they're the first, dramafire the second.) I just checked and they probably had to adjust the DF subs to the SBS version but what a bummer the edited parts aren't subbed. This different versions fiasco is seriously pissing me off right now.
jessanno
September 13, 2016 at 1:02 PM
If this is the case, then that really sucks for us. As a viewer, I want the version that SBS is airing.
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13 FreeCats
September 12, 2016 at 6:46 PM
I didn't know Lady Hae's family was *that* powerful, if Prince Baek-Ah wasn't even good enough for her. Hope those future visions of Hae Soo means everything's going to be darker and more serious now.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 7:00 PM
He is a prince who's mother came from the fallen Shilla. He will be viewed lesser rank in birth status despite being a King's child.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 7:02 PM
In short: his clan's political power is non-existent. Therefore they can't do anything about anything in the palace.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:52 PM
That's why he doesn't get to marry who he wants either? Hmm.
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IvoryLight
September 13, 2016 at 12:13 AM
Yes exactly. In the drinking scene he explains that even within the princes there isn't equality...and in the scene where Yo is talking down to Baek, he refers to Baek's grandfather the former king of Shilla as a beggar relative who's basically barred from the palace.
pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:28 AM
@IvoryLight thank you for explaining! It's really so sad, seeing your own family treated like that.
chocopieb
September 12, 2016 at 8:16 PM
Im just assuming, but probably her family rules over an area at the kingdom's borders. If what so said was true, then the family was working together with the enemy, to strengthen the family's power in the government. They acted as if the enemy was going to attack, since the family was weaker now due to lady hae's death (therefore no longer associated with the king), then offered to have su married to the king, so the enemy wouldn't attack the area.
When in reality this was all orchestrated by the family and the enemy.. Probably for future mutual relationship ><
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yoonks
September 12, 2016 at 9:44 PM
Not sure how historically accurate the drama is, but Lady Hae is one of the King's daughters. Her mum was the sixth wife, and Wook's mum was the fourth.
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Stephanie
September 13, 2016 at 10:47 PM
Technically I don't think even Wook was an ideal candidate. SHe forced the issue and HER rank is what got Wook his position in the palace. At least that is how it seemed to me. It's why Wook was so grateful to her and also why he confounded that feeling of gratitude with love.
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14 pogo
September 12, 2016 at 6:50 PM
I swear it felt like Baekhyun's damned puppet scene got more screen time than Lee Jun-ki this ep - we REALLY do not need to see so much of the younger princes, and especially not him. I get it with Wook, but the others? No thanks. They don't really add much to the story, it's like having what should be garnish take over your whole dish.
And I definitely agree that this episode felt disjointed and a bit out-of-nowhere with the marriage plot, though I really enjoyed all the princes coming together to help Su escape, and even Wook and So stepping in for her. (not to mention, even Yeonhwa stepping in to protest the marriage, even if it was out of self-reservation rather than any thoughts of Su - looks like I was only partially right in my idea that she'd want to marry Su off at any cost). Though the best part of that was that Su saved herself, even if that was a rather dark way to do it.
Also re: Su's speculation about which of the princes would become Gwangjong, I thought it felt like she'd pinned Wook as the one (So being ruled out because of his scar).
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chrissydiva
September 12, 2016 at 7:02 PM
I agree. I honestly didn't even see her look at So as a potential candidate which made me giggle since he's the one labeled as cruel and violent. Maybe in the SBS version, they zoomed on him. Like you said, she probably didn't consider him because of his scar. Though i'm going to be sad if he does kill the crown prince since he's the only one who seemed to care about him at the beginning. He rushed to him when his mom slashed him since she was too busy crying pathetically and his dad busy marrying anything with a skirt. He even felt bad asking him to take his place during that ritual. While I don't have any issues with him killing Yo. Now that's some annoying parasite.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:04 PM
Yeah, the version I saw (no SBS logo) definitely did not present So as being part of Su's consideration - it's very clearly Wook she focuses on as the likely future Gwangjong, and she looks a little scared as she walks past him.
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chocopieb
September 13, 2016 at 12:35 AM
I watched the sbs ver, the scene with puppets was a bit awkwardly cut and only earlier i realised they cut off the eun being angry part. Personally im trying to cherish as much light scenes now, seems it seems like we're gonna lack of em soon enough ><
And the sbs one did have su sparing a look at so before she entered damiwon.. Not just a glance, but she was considering so. Altho i think wook weighs more as of now..
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royrose
September 12, 2016 at 10:17 PM
Hmmm...from what I read, historical Gwangjong didn't kill Wang Mu. Wang Mu died because of ilness. CMIIW.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 7:04 PM
Wang Yo is more of a candidate honestly. But maybe since he wasn't there, she didn't think it would be him.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:07 PM
True. I think she also saw Wook as a likely candidate because he's got the temperament most likely to suit a future ruler, out of all the princes present there. But I understand her fear would be greater if she thought Gwangjong is someone she actually likes and respects.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 7:13 PM
Wow. It would be easier to understand her actions in later episode. It's like everything is finally making sense and making each episode more intense.
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Liseth
September 12, 2016 at 8:25 PM
Worst of all is that they eliminated scenes of Lee Joon Gi (the male lead of the drama) in the first edition, if the Korean spectators had not claimed the little screen time of Lee Joon Gi never would have added those scenes. In China are very upset because are seeing especially Lee JoonGi and realized that eliminated his scenes.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 8:57 PM
At least they added the scenes back for the Korea cut, not like Cheese in the Trap.
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Hu
September 12, 2016 at 11:04 PM
Really? Is it for real that there's such complaint over Lee Ju Ki's limited screentime for the first few episodes? And that the re-editing is done due to this complaints? Re-editing and adding in more screentime of Lee Jun Ki?
I don't know whether this reason is even logical. What I can see is that, the production team of Scarlet Heart basically done a sloppy job with the damaged control.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:55 PM
I didn't hear of that much complaints over LJK less screentime, more like 'where is he' for ep 5-6
The re edits were because the whole shows editing was so bad in ep.1 that viewers complained, so SBS tried to change some things and also put in LJK scenes
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faith
September 13, 2016 at 1:25 AM
this episode, i think knetz complaint about LJK screentime...last week the comment were positive..
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15 sharreb
September 12, 2016 at 6:50 PM
I wish the production team does a better job at editing. And its weird to have two different versions. Although i thk the sbs version was better. We see Soo and Baek Ah scene which i thought was necessary. A lot of ground was covered in this episode- its good its moving forward plotwise but not good because it didnt flow nicely. But im still game to see how it will turn out for So and Soo. The light and focus will shine on So soon as per the novel.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:56 PM
SBS version is the better one, international viewers should get that with subs too :(
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16 nyandra
September 12, 2016 at 6:50 PM
this does resemble high school drama when all the boys suddenly dote on her for no understandable reason, it's like she is the only woman they ever see,
at least the original has some trick and story along with that, I just watched it prior to this episode and even when I know nothing about the era in China, I get why it's a terrifying idea and why that people actually pull her out or put her in,
And this kingdom really hate scar, probably because it was so ancient that almost everyone got one so the one without is so precious but it also feels so shallow cause the show didn't told me that perspective, or sho us the other hae soo relative who seems to be so powerful
and I still has no idea why this sudden marriage plot happen unless they try to go with the original storyline which make it unnatural since we have no build up and it just end in this like that's it?
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 7:06 PM
Probably a King cannot marry anyone with physical flaw. Remember they're like God's gift to men in the olden times.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 8:58 PM
Yeah they were supposed to be 'perfect'. No flaw allowed.
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17 DangerousSnowPea
September 12, 2016 at 6:52 PM
Wrist cutting/self mutilation that saved the day, hmmm-where have i seen that before? cough*Twilight* cough.
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18 Cynthia
September 12, 2016 at 6:55 PM
Super fast recap!!! I'm loving this drama and LJK always perfect hair, I just hope he'll have more screen time now that Su and him are both in the palace.
When Baek-Ah told So that he was not the one with feelings for her, was he implying that So was the one??? He was very insistent that So should do something... Hmmmm....
To finish my comment I'll just add that Su's milkshake certainly brings all boys to the yard!
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Tee
September 12, 2016 at 7:43 PM
I think he implied Wook was the one that had feelings for Su! He confronted Su about their feelings for each other before.
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Annedroid4000
September 12, 2016 at 8:12 PM
Not So but probably Wook. Baekhyun knows about the feelings between Wook and Su
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM
Baek Ah was talking about Wook having feelings for Soo, remember he shouted at Soo last episode because of that?
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19 Rebubub
September 12, 2016 at 6:56 PM
Happy for this super comprehensive recap. Tried to watch the episode with subs but every site i go on has messed up subs atm. Thanks for being so fast guys!
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20 feignedreality
September 12, 2016 at 6:59 PM
This episode felt disjointed for me. From Baek-Ah and Su suddenly being all chummy without even a proper scene to explain why and when that happened up to the library confrontation scene between Yo & So, which I've read from soompi was a cut from episode 4. The continuation of that scene was Su being whipped by Princess Yeonhwa, which explains why Baek-Ah was suddenly behind So & the princess on that scene. And here I was thinking he can magically appear out of thin air.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:02 PM
*sigh* two months for post-production, and this is what we end up with? I feel like SBS trusted Kim Kyu-tae too much, and it's going to be the actors that pay the price.
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drawde2000
September 12, 2016 at 7:24 PM
I trusted Kim Kyu-tae to bring epicness to this drama from the get go. Padam Padam is a favorite of mine because of the gorgeous images he created in that drama. Padam Padam was also fully pre-produced, I believe. I expected the same from him with this adaptation. But that is not to be. I have stopped with Episode 3 as I was disappointed with the directing, writing, editing and music. I guess I will not have huge expectations on his next drama, if SBS will even give him another.
I was planning to marathon later on, but I might get more pissed off if I do so. I feel bad for the actors as well, especially LJK who seemed to have given 200% and 15 kg. to this drama
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HeadsNo2
September 12, 2016 at 7:50 PM
Padam Padam was PD Kim's best work. Then it all went downhill from there when he decided to go for style over functionality. You lose the power of the closeup at that point, and the reasoning for using certain shots becomes meaningless if you're not using the angle to help tell the story. That's the biggest issue here—he's not helping the story along.
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faith
September 12, 2016 at 8:11 PM
he should improve from his best work, not regressed from it...
pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:57 PM
@faith - I agree.
pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:54 PM
I feel terrible for all the leads, really - Lee Jun-ki who's being let down by a drama again despite a fantastic performance, IU (who's getting some really unfair blame for the reception of the drama), and even Kang Ha-neul. And to some extent, even the writer - since Kim Kyu-tae appears to have messed with the scripts, based on reports of the leaked scripts of ep 1-4.
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21 Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 7:03 PM
Omg when is this "romance" between Wook and Hae Soo gonna drag on? I demand more Lee Jun Ki scenes!!
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lolalarue
September 12, 2016 at 8:54 PM
Right? I mean I'm sure KHN and IU are killing it in their scenes together but I can't get invested in a Second Lead, not when the actual lead is in such dire need of love and affection and is also plenty adorable with his vulnerability poorly masked by a violent angry veneer.
Also please more scenes of So with any of his brothers, father or Astronomer.
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Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 8:58 PM
I really can't take Wook and Soo's romance seriously. I'm here for the real deal SBS, give us the romance we want dangit.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:59 PM
I find Wook ok but cut out the puppet shit and give us LJK!
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pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:00 AM
Sorry, I swore - I just feel so frustrated.
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Napkiin
September 13, 2016 at 6:53 AM
Lol... Baekhyun is just... no comment
22 jaena
September 12, 2016 at 7:03 PM
We all want a prince that will sweep us off our feet.. and that's what Prince So did <3
hearts. love. adorbs.
He is really Su's knight and shining armor :) always coming to her rescue.. Su is so lucky she has a lot of prince to back her up..
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23 Anh
September 12, 2016 at 7:06 PM
Watching this episode and I was like wtf happened offscreen?
Suddenly Baek-ah and Su become bff, and most of the princes become somewhat friendly with So? like they came running to him and asked him to help wtf? Not to mention, they suddenly planned out an escape runaway for Su all together? like seriously? I wouldn't mind if it was involved only 2-3 princes, but almost all of them? does she really need that many princes to escape....?
At least there's less close-up shots but hey, there're some shaky camera scenes... this is a pre-produced drama yet there are shaky-as camera work that even make it to the official airing? what happened through the filming process, the editing, the finalisation??
The editing is just so choppy and disjointed.... I really feel sorry for the actors, they totally didn't know what they got into and now it's too late.
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Titi
September 12, 2016 at 7:34 PM
They are under pressure to boost their ratings and they forget that they have international fans that fell in love with the drama, I dint feel connected to this episode and I believe the problem is because they are trying to impress the Korean Market and overreacting by over editing what they have already prepared to air
When I read that it was pre-produced and people complained about the drama I was genuinely afraid they were going to re-edit it (Bcos they are used to live production and their live-production-brain will tell them to edit and change the story to please their viewers...WRONG), and I was right.
Scarlet heart, you have international fans don't lose them bcoz of desperation
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 9:12 PM
Don't misunderstand, the problem is not with the version prepared for SBS to air in Korea.
The problem is that what they initially showed ep 1-3 was so badly edited and with horrible soundtracks that SBS listened to their viewers and tried to improve the edit/OSTS. But because the drama was pre-shot and pre approved by Chinese censors, SBS has no way to make changes to the versions shown in places other than Korea so we get stuck with the weirdly edited one.
The real problem is not the changed versions for Korea, it's that the initially prepared versions were so bad and because oF pre aproving they cant be changed. At least getting a better version for Korea is better than getting nothing and everyone being stick with the weird version.
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Barbrey
September 12, 2016 at 9:58 PM
Maybe I'm not understanding something somewhere, Pigsnout?
I understand the Chinese market are getting the original version. But what's happening with the Korean version? I watched the raw that was in Korean, for instance, and it included all the scenes Heads mentions.
But the subbed version didn't. What's more, it's missing a lot of Wang So scenes.
Which version is actually getting aired on SBS? And why would the re-edit, edit Wang So scenes out, when from my understanding a lot of the Korean complaints were they wanted more Wang So?
I'm confused about the two Korean versions, one of which, when subbed, also has edited out major scenes. Aargh.
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Anh
September 12, 2016 at 11:19 PM
@Barbrey
The version aired on SBS is the re-edited version, with more scenes of LJK and less of the princes helping Su to escape.
So the un-edited original version is for global (china) audience, and that version is being subbed. And SBS ver for korean audience has not been subbed in eng, but available in raw.
pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:57 PM
@Barbrey - it's like Anh explained.
Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 12:05 AM
Thanks Ahn and Pigsnout
24 feignedreality
September 12, 2016 at 7:15 PM
I likewise also felt the lack of So on screen, but I'm all about staying positive that he'll have more screen time from episode 8 onwards because now Su is also living in the palace/in close proximity to the palace, so there is plenty of opportunities for their paths to cross.
...I also admit to replaying LJG's scenes for an unhealthy number of times so I don't feel his absence that much. I mean that scene where they were riding through the forest with his arms around Su, when he was reluctant to let her go at first, and finally when he helped Su dismount from the horse?! Those deserve to be replayed a thousand if not a million times. LJG I Love You!!! ???
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:18 PM
I'm holding on to that hope myself, because if we get more blasted scenes of Eun and his toys at the expense of So, I will probably revolt.
Also yes, horseback rescue scene was hot. His reluctance to let her get off....oooof.
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feignedreality
September 12, 2016 at 7:28 PM
@pogo, I'll be right beside you revolting! There will be bloodshed!!! And yes to LGJ's hotness on that scene, this man's innate charm & sexiness are off the charts. *fans self*
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IvoryLight
September 12, 2016 at 8:25 PM
I mean, we all know that Jun Ki is hotter than the sun but add in the accessories of the Mane of Glory and a trusty Horse, and a sword (-or a fan...Arang throwback!!) and he goes super nova.
Honestly, I won't admit even to myself how often I rewatch his scenes (thank you instagram for the little clips of them all!) but he just steals the show for me, everytime.
Screw the ratings, if Jun Ki doesn't win major awards for this, we should riot.
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Ira
September 12, 2016 at 8:39 PM
I'll join both of you with my pitch fork. I can only handle this hot mess if I have my baseline amount of LJG. As much as I love KHN, I am just not feeling his character. i have no idea why tho.
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Barbrey
September 12, 2016 at 10:04 PM
Wook was too easy. Honestly, all the princes are except Wang So, who is a bit more of a challenge in that he doesn't flock around her. I'm not saying this is how Su thinks; I AM saying it's how I think. The thrill of the hunt is in all of us, men and women, and I love to see the hard-to-get guy GOT!
Evelyn
September 12, 2016 at 10:16 PM
I will join you all. As of now, I find myself rewatching every single LJG scene from the past couple of episodes an unhealthy number of times. Ugh.
Oh and @Ira, glad i'm not the only one not feeling Wook. It's not the actor's issue here, but I just can't seem to really like Wook. His niceness seems like a facade sometimes and I feel like he represses his emotions alot so there's probably something a little darker beneath that he is hiding intentionally. So i kinda of get very dishonest vibes from him for some reason - like something doesn't sit quite right and I don't really trust in lol
25 grace
September 12, 2016 at 7:19 PM
Who knew that emojis could make me so emotional in a SAGEUK?? I dont care what anybody says, that alone is enough to make me stan this drama. But if you stop and look, there are plenty and plenty of other gems to look for in this.
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26 hasy
September 12, 2016 at 7:23 PM
OMGOSH!!! This drama just got sooooo gooood!! I can't wait for tomorrow's episode!!! EEKKKS! I'm totally shaking as I type this. SO MUCH GOODNESS!!
A lot of subtle nuances and hints played off SO WELL in here. Favorite scene of the ENTIRE episode wasn't just the princes trying to save her. My 'a-ha' scene was when Baek Ah was reasoning with So to save Su. The way he spoke about her and the concern in his eyes. It was so moving that he was willing to risk his status for her, not only because she helped him grieve, but he appreciated her way of thinking. "Prince Baek Ah-shii" "Okay?" I feel so left out, not speaking Korean because I miss out on these stuff.
I feel Baek Ah's conversation with So sets off his thinking of equality. Sure, he killed all his brothers but he started the civil examination to ensure that people can BECOME equal among the privileged, not necessarily through their lineage. I'm so sure that Su's relationship with So was what inspires him to be the memorable king he was. I don't really care for So too much but my heart felt tiniest tingle when he realized how much Wook loves Su.
OMGOOSH, this episode oozes epicness. I love all the princes, even Eun, despite how annoying he is.
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27 Aimee
September 12, 2016 at 7:25 PM
According to Wiki, ML will have 3 eps this week? There will be a part 2 of eps 7 on Wednesday. Btw it's really weird to have different versions of the same episode, what the hell is SBS doing tbh
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chrissydiva
September 12, 2016 at 7:29 PM
Thirsty for ratings? At this point, they should just rely on foreign money. Unless there is a major miracle, they might reach 10% but in no way they could expect to catch up to Moonlight.
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Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 7:56 PM
I feel so bad for those actors, they worked so hard. You'd expect this drama to be a hit since the original was a mega star in Asia (Korea included). I mean the friggin author had some fan signing event in Korea recently and lots of people went...
Sigh.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 9:20 PM
I don't care what the reason is, at least we don't get stuck with only those crappy versions that SBS first prepared and then sent out to international tv and streaming.
At least there is some version of an ok episode out there.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 9:39 PM
The re-edited versions (what SBS airs in Korea) are more coherent and better-edited than whatever SBS served up the first time around.
I'd rather have them than not, I mean this is what we wanted during the cheese debacle only this time the issue isn't oppa's lack of screen time, it's the messiness of entire episodes turning out lacking because someone let their five-year-old pick OSTs and do the editing for the initial versions.
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Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 9:53 PM
I agree the re-edited versions that aired in Korea was so much better!
The OST was really bad in the beginning, especially that horid IOI OST song, thank goodness they don't blame that crap anymore. But it seems like they have improved a lot.
And friggin Baekhyun, couldn't they have casted somebody else... Like Yeo Jin Goo or someone??
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Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 9:55 PM
play* (not blame lol)
pogo
September 12, 2016 at 9:41 PM
That said, this still has me, because last week was so good - just stop mucking around with princely toys and develop your story/relationships a little better (and oh god based on cast posters a couple of extra princes are supposed to have love lines - can we please just marry them off fast and get rid of them? I don't need any more screen time devoted to Baekhyun!)
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM
+1000
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 9:17 PM
Different versions can't be helped, it's SBS fault for screwing up their editing and production so badly that they need to make more changes.
It's still better to have the slightly better edited version with added scenes than only the messed up international version which is what SBS first prepared. At least they tried to do a proper job on the re edited korean version (SBS logo)
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28 craziladi13
September 12, 2016 at 7:27 PM
Did anyone else notice that when So is confronting astronomer Ji Mong, Crown Prince Mu is just watching and reading in the background, sort of like "whatever, little bro. Just don't kill him here if you can manage that. Thanks." I didn't notice the first time I watched it, but I actually made me laugh out loud the second time around.
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JoyBells
September 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM
I noticed it too. At first i was unsure if it was him then i rewatched the scene again.
Haha. He just hanging around in the background going through some papers like he couldnt careless about the recent drama going on in his household rattling everyone from the queen to his brothers. I thought as a crown prince he would be more involved.
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29 Johan
September 12, 2016 at 7:30 PM
thank u so much for the recap from the bottom of my heart..?
i've been so stressed all night waiting for the subbed & recap..
& now i feel like all my stress are gone in an instant!
I cant help it..im smiling from ear to ear with happiness.
your recap is heaven sent.
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30 Ahri
September 12, 2016 at 7:32 PM
Okayyy so that scene with Wang Yo being mean to Baek Ah is obviously old footage, since Wang So is still wearing his ratty old robes -_- I wish they'd just shown that in the order it's supposed to be, would explain a lot why Baek Ah and Wang So get along well to the point that Baek Ah can grab Wang So's arm without fear of being killed. I'm kinda glad it didn't make it to the Dramafever version tbh, but good lord the directing and editing is a trainwreck. Put somebody competent in charge for god's sake.
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banini
September 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM
Read somewhere that it was supposed to come before Hae Su's beating. Remember So and Baek Ah arrived together wearing those clothes while Su was being punished.
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31 don'tknow
September 12, 2016 at 7:32 PM
Today finally I know what is wrong with this drama for me!
I keep wanting something from the lead guy to make me connect with him and to understand him, but he is nowhere to be seen in almost everything and it makes things seem undeveloped?.
I don't really know him or get the chance to do so ... and I think it is because the writing of the characters is either lazy or shallow.
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IvoryLight
September 12, 2016 at 7:45 PM
I love the show, flaws and all, but i think part of where the disconnect from the male lead (apart from a general lack of screen time) is definitely the scene selection choices here.
We know they have filmed more footage than is necessary for a 20 ep drama, and some things have gotten left out because of it e.g. key character relationship development that we're meant to assume happens off screen. I hear the original c-drama had 30 episodes and even though those were shorter, MLSHR still has a shorter run time overall.
I wish the production team was doing a better job of choosing what scenes to include. Their ability in this seems to vary by episode. 3,4,5 were on an upward trajectory and it seemed they were finally getting a handle on it, but 6 is messier. However, the music in the SBS version is definitely better, and the editing and the scene inclusion is definitely better (i watched the RAW version and then a subbed version, and I definitely prefer the SBS RAW, someone please tell me there are subbed episodes too!)
Waiting for tonight's episode!!
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don'tknow
September 12, 2016 at 8:28 PM
I'm with you I also liked ep 3 , 4 and 5. I had some preservation against the acting of some of the actors but REALLY I'm totally fine by some average acting since the acting does not have to be great to make me love a kdrama.
But at least I want to see something that does not remind me of the fact that the production team are panicking over this rating issue and affecting their editing of the drama!
I mean I want to see what I'm supposed to see! Characters! A story! and a way to connect to them.
I keep reading other people's thoughts and how some of the scenes got cut and what will they have added to the story if they were not. Like seriously I'm lost.
The more they panic the more the drama will look like a weird shojo manga...!
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beanified
September 12, 2016 at 8:51 PM
Some shoujo manga are terrible, but there are others that are awesome as well... please don't stereotype *pouts*
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don'tknow
September 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM
Actually that's why I added the "weird" in "weird shojo manga" because this is what usually happens in those kind of mangas.
beanified
September 12, 2016 at 9:17 PM
Ah, LOL. Sorry about that. I took what you said in a completely different way. In that case, I completely agree with you.
Liseth
September 12, 2016 at 8:50 PM
Apparently have removed some scenes of Lee Joon Gi, in the DCgallery was talk that the script for the first 4 episodes are filtered, and said that in the 3th episode HaeSo went to get to WangSo to his room to give the clevis and he was having a nightmare, so she leaves, but WangSo sees her and goes after her and finds her praying in the stones and there have that conversation about mothers who watched in the edited version of the director who later was transmitted.
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32 Lorelai
September 12, 2016 at 7:34 PM
My ship is called "Hae Soo - Wang Wook" ship. This ship is beautiful, full of flower petals, warm and fragrant. Too bad there are many holes on that ship… But I let it sail anyway :D
Second lead syndrome will be a serious disease one day. My heart is skipping many beats with this pairing. It's so soothing. I don't care with Wang So now. I'll just enjoy this couple's moment while it last.
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hasy
September 12, 2016 at 7:45 PM
I know right?! It's not as bad an titanic, but I don't think it'll make it either. :D
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Lorelai
September 12, 2016 at 8:58 PM
Nope, I don't think it will make it to the final pier either.
BUT
Even though the storyline is still coherent with the original, there are serious major differences. So I will humor the thought of different ending than the predecessor…
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Yuki
September 13, 2016 at 12:25 PM
Awww, so happy to find other Soo-Wook shippers!! :D It seems that the ship will sink soon, but I am already on board and will not leave it. Every time that they are close my heart beats in anticipation, and when they hugged ? today, I was so relieved :)
At least I hope that in case she forgets him, they will not give us a heartbroken Wook for the rest of the series...I don't think I would be able to watch till the end.
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33 dramamad
September 12, 2016 at 7:34 PM
Culture question-
So I'm following this through recaps and it says after the funeral su visits the grave. But didn't they cremate lady hae?
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Adal
September 12, 2016 at 8:22 PM
Maybe they buried her ashes? Ha ha! Continuity sucks in this drama. You've raised a very good point, here. That grave is too big to be just someone's ashes. Lousy, lousy directing.
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taro
September 12, 2016 at 11:20 PM
no, it's not to big :) it's a burial chamber under the small hill. burial mounds can be really huge, lady hae's kurgan is average size
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34 banini
September 12, 2016 at 7:36 PM
Doesn't Su already have a scar on the neck? The one she got from the masked assasin.
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Ivory
September 12, 2016 at 7:46 PM
That wound was much less deep/serious and was fixed/faded by the cream Wook got for her.
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banini
September 12, 2016 at 7:52 PM
I want that cream! Give me some to put on Wang So's face! ;-)
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35 Hye Mi
September 12, 2016 at 7:39 PM
You know you're reaching the limit of your patience when you find yourself saying 'WTF?' more often than you swoon while watching a drama.
The whole episode feels disjointed, and it seems that the writer never fails in writing rushed relationship development. The growth in Soo's relationship with the princes feels superficial and lacks proper build-up. The whole forced marriage thing serves only as a purpose for Soo's entering the palace and working there as a maid, but the way it is told on screen is absurd: one beautiful day the sister-in-law of your cousin gleefully announced that you're going to be married off, and suddenly almost all the princes join force, scar or no scar, prejudice or no prejudice, to save you by carrying you away on horseback. Doesn't it happen to them that they can beg for help from someone with more power and higher up than the damn princess? And then, just carry her away like that, like, to where?
There are hundreds of things that I want to write just to let off some steam, but oh well, what's the point when the writing, directing and editing have been so desperate in ruining this drama?
My hope went up a notch watching ep 3. Ep 4 & 5 weren't bad either, but this episode ruins the nice flow to the story. How many more roller-coaster rides do the PDs, editors and writer want the viewers to experience with this show's quality?
I'm dropping this drama. But before I leave, let me ask you some favour, PD-nim: Please tell Baekhyun to stop sticking his tongue out and mocking like that. Better still, you can retire all the younger princes if you've got no better use for them. The drama seems to move quick but only to catch up with the original plot. So far, I personally haven't found much to have really happened that really left an impression of growth or development in my mind. Apart from Lady Hae's death.
She's the gem of the show. The end.
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Anh
September 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM
My feel for this ep, right there, you said it! The amount of WTF was just ergh... and out of the blue marriage and runaway without destination and the "I need to wed her tonight, now!" with no ceremony and such with the excuse the border will break if they're not wedded that night? Like wtf... Im sure the Hae clan or whatever can wait for the wedding ceremony because that would allow Su to have a strong base before becoming a concubine of the king, and that would make their clan more powerful instead of a shot-gun wedding type....
Maybe I read too much chinese novel about women fights/political influence in palace that this drama just doesn't do enough justice to portray that..
I don't know how the actors can save this drama when the editing team is just chopping and pasting scenes that don't flow naturally...
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Hye Mi
September 13, 2016 at 8:00 AM
I think it would be better if they hinted from ep 2 or 3 that Hae Soo was brought to Wook's mansion for a purpose (hinting: political marriage) apart from her being adopted after her mother died. Even casually in a conversation, or in voiceover, anything really. Why leaves it until the last minute to surprise the viewers? The events in this episode feel really forced and absurd to me. Someone said in a later comment that both the PD and the writer just don't have the skill level to handle this story, to which I wholeheartedly agree.
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bips99
September 13, 2016 at 2:42 AM
oh! dont go. i always enjoy reading your take. stick around a little bit longer. the preview looks interesting
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Hye Mi
September 13, 2016 at 7:52 AM
Now LJK is the only reason that will keep me staying, but how can I focus on the story he's trying to narrate when there are all the other younger princes and the evil queen and her successor Princess YH about to ruin it T.T
Why is it ep 6 already and it still seems like LJK is still acting in a completely different drama from the rest of them :(( I'm so pissed :((
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ET
September 13, 2016 at 4:43 AM
@Hye Mi I still remember that we were moved by Lady Hae's passing last week and how the scene was beautifully written, directed, acted and filmed. A lot of us had high hopes then that the drama will soar from there. I never thought ep 6 would start so badly.
I feel that the production has underestimated the viewers. I am not a picky viewer but there must be a certain standard. I can't be throwing logic out of the window so often. Neither do I care about the significance of the scars or love triangles. What I want to see is how relationships are built, alliances forged, friendships betrayed and love that's organic. I don't have high hopes because the show is looking a lot like a mash up of fanservices.
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Hye Mi
September 13, 2016 at 7:56 AM
I know right? I came into this ep expecting to be blown away. Lady Hae's death was so beautifully done I was moved to tears. I thought the drama would pick up from there, but no.
If the current version wants to deviate from the novel, Lady Hae should be the end to the budding romance between Soo and Wook. But it seems the writer wants the baby baby boy Wook to smash the bangle and cry inside closed door before she calls it the end for their relationship.
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36 questions987
September 12, 2016 at 7:46 PM
He's actually using Chinese characters not Hangul
口 Is mouth in Chinese
人 Is person in Chinese
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endo
September 12, 2016 at 8:19 PM
I think Heads said that Wook used Hanja. It just looked like hangeul.
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37 pinklacee
September 12, 2016 at 7:46 PM
I hate that wook covered her scar, not once, but twice. She got it through a courageous act. She protected what she wanted like she said. She's proud of it and I hope he doesn't make her feel ashamed for it.
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waitwhat
September 12, 2016 at 7:54 PM
omg exactly, very nice caught, I think that's the point where drama hints that Wook/Su relationship won't work
damn though I have many things to complain about this drama its details are all... gold
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Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 7:57 PM
That's why Wook is the 2nd male lead.
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pinklacee
September 12, 2016 at 7:59 PM
I'll be that person and say So would never!
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 7:58 PM
I think he hates that she had to hurt herself to do it, but yeah, it's not a source of shame to her. I love that So notes it, though.
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pinklacee
September 12, 2016 at 8:09 PM
I think through her lack of shame for her scar, So will also feel less shameless about his.
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pinklacee
September 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM
shame*
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tej
September 12, 2016 at 11:58 PM
Wow, I didn't think of it that way. I think scar reminds him that he wasn't able to protect her ,which drove her to do that. So it makes him feel guilty every time he sees it ? And both the times he covered it up, i thought he looked at it quite ....tenderly.
But I hadn't even looked at it the way you did !
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pebble
September 13, 2016 at 5:36 AM
I agree with you, I think Wook was crestfallen that it was beyond his ability to protect Su and to prevent her marriage to the king such that she had to resort to hurting herself. Especially when she told him first thing after she gained consciousness that she feared not being able to see him again. So in a way, Su courageously defying the king's order not only for her own sake but also because she had fallen for Wook, This probably explains why Wook was deeply touched and felt a pang in his heart whenever he saw the bandaged wound on her wrist.
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tej
September 13, 2016 at 9:26 AM
Right? Poor wook, he can't join the scar-party with SO and SOO TT
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Stephanie
September 13, 2016 at 11:10 PM
I'm sorry but your comment made me laugh so hard!
38 waitwhat
September 12, 2016 at 7:50 PM
It's very hard for me to feel for Wook this ep. That whole "begging for his dead wife" just didn't work for me and what "showering Su with all the affection he could never give her" I'm like????? that really made me sick considering the fact that he realized he had loved his wife (after the funeral), and also the fact that Su just... let him go on with that...???
I get it, Wook/Su romance is necessary cause they followed the original but it's already dragging. This is 20-ep drama though, while Wook's feelings are being portrayed with every detail as possible all we get from So is some cameo scenes left with our own imagination.
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pinklacee
September 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM
I was sitting there thinking I can't believe he just told Su he was praying to his dead wife to have her back and I can't believe she cried with him. I'm not feeling this ship at all and then he goes and says that. It's too odd.
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waitwhat
September 12, 2016 at 8:19 PM
I know right??? I'm pretty fine with Wook/Su until that scene, I don't think I can ever rewatch it, it's just so painful. I feel like almost all the acknowledge and actions set up for them in ep 5 were wasted, now the only vibe they give me is as if they had waited for Lady Hae's death to move on with their feelings ><
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Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 8:13 PM
Ugh, this Wook Soo ship is dragging way too long for my liking. He said he loves his wife, I'm like ?? Then why are you flirting with her cousin???? Why bring her to your wife's tomb and hold her hand, like bro what????
I felt the exact same way about 8th prince x main girl romance. Such a drag....
Please hurry up, I want to see Wang So and Soo together
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endo
September 12, 2016 at 8:21 PM
I'm also starting to ship So and Su now. Like i said before, Wook suddenly feel the love for his wife didn't get me.
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Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 8:25 PM
Ahhhh, the love story between So and Su will be so epic. Wook and Su isn't the real deal. *_*
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39 Yoyo
September 12, 2016 at 7:50 PM
While this episode felt like 1 big giant hangover, I will say that the first part made sense. But the king marrying Su, concubine oh, the chase, the capture, the surrender, the stripping, the wrist slashing, the premonition, this weeks' emoji and the new beginning is like one trippy-magic-mushroom-trance.
....episode 6, all is forgiven.
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40 lazielizard
September 12, 2016 at 7:53 PM
well the friendship that i was severely missing kind of showed up in this ep. I'll say it was very awkward and I'm not sold yet...I think it might be Nam Joo-hyuk's acting style tho. And I just keep comparing it to BBJX... Joonki is great..but we've seen so little of him. I want to see more of him.
I was wondering how they were going to get her into the King's Palace here..I had completely forgotten about that plot point. lol. Anyway I'm excited to get into this next part because I am hoping it really brings us closer to IU with her making her place in the palace and being awesome at it. :)
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41 Katy S.
September 12, 2016 at 7:54 PM
I'm so confused! I've looked up everything I can find about King gwangjong and there is no mention of him killing his brothers. He ascended to the throne after the 2 former kings (his brothers) die of, by all accounts, natural causes. Conversely I've discovered that the 4th king of the Joseon dynasty killed some of his brothers but this drama is set during the Goryeo dynasty. So from what I've read so far it's like they are combining the Goryeo period history with the Josean period history.
Is this the creative license they've taken to history mentioned at the beginning of the drama? So is the history Hae Soo is familiar with an alternate history from the history that we, the viewers, are familiar with? But Hae Soo has already travelled back in time, thus alternating the already alternative history we are now presented with... And she will further still alternate history, assuming she is allowed to stay in the past with whichever prince she ends up choosing.
Does stating at the beginning that they've taken creative license absolve them of making even the slightest effort at making sense? Or am I just looking up all the wrong sources?
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 8:00 PM
Well, they did mention the creative license part, so I suppose in-universe, we have to accept that whatever details Su knows of history are accurate to whatever's been recorded up to her (modern) time.
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honeylime
September 12, 2016 at 8:07 PM
I think you read it wrong. 4th king of Joseon was King Sejong and he didn't kill any of his brothers, I think what you meant was King Taejong a.k.a Lee Bangwon, his father, who killed his brothers and opponents to get the throne. It's still fresh in my memory bcoz this was depicted in Six Flying Dragons a few months ago.
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Adal
September 12, 2016 at 8:27 PM
You are right, but it still doesn't excuse the writers mixing up the Goryeo and Joseon time periods. Artistic license and all.
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honeylime
September 12, 2016 at 8:45 PM
I'm not sure but they seem to be trying to make it as similar as possible to the chinese version after all the differences we get so far. The c-version 4th prince did 'kill' his brothers on the path to his throne.
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tej
September 13, 2016 at 12:01 AM
LOL I remembered that too... Is she mixing up her history ? That would be hilarious !
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 12:26 AM
Well as I said above thread, because I couldn't find any history he killed his brothers either, her purpose (unlike the Cdrama) in this story could be to prevent him killing his brothers and she succeeds. So she's from an alternative future where the history states he killed them, she travels back into history and prevents their deaths, which is why current Korean history doesn't mention he killed his brothers (just a couple of nephews and a whole lot of other people).
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darcyM
September 13, 2016 at 4:08 AM
I just Google-translated the whole Korean languange Wikipedia page about Gwangjong into English. To try and find out more of his history. It's very detailed. I got to the bit about "the fetal-type radish", and "winter clothes brother of FOREVER". I gave up.
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42 LP
September 12, 2016 at 7:54 PM
Thank you for the recap, so speedy! \^o^/
And, huh . . . I think javabeans or girlfriday mentioned this in the "What We're Watching" post, but ML seems to drag a lot when So (Lee Jun-ki) is not in the scene. I mean all of the eye candy/fan service is great, but it gets kind of boring without LJK's intensity and general awesomeness.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 8:01 PM
I didn't mind it much last ep because Lady Hae carried that beautifully and what we did get of oppa and Su's new friendship was so lovely, but yeah, this episode was severely in need of more So.
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43 Wag-a-muffin
September 12, 2016 at 7:57 PM
I still am loving this show BUT (and it's a bit but) I'm getting annoyed at voice-overing instead of actual speaking.
Are we supposed to think, "these two are so in harmony they can just think/telephathize communicate? Or is the production team so cheap they added it afterwards? I don't know how to process this "I look into your eyes and emote my lines, ventriloquisitcally."
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Adal
September 12, 2016 at 8:30 PM
LMFAO!!!!
It wouldn't cost them a thing to say the words out loud instead of communicating telepathically. It's a little hard to swallow.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 8:49 PM
It happens in a lot of dramas.
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beanified
September 12, 2016 at 11:26 PM
I think they're using that to cut down on screen time - I didn't think it was a conversation so much as a (audio) flashback to a previous talk... Though it would make more sense if only one of them was recalling it, and not both.
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Wag-a-muffin
September 13, 2016 at 5:00 AM
All I know is that if I were on a horse with a hot guy, thinking to myself, and all of a sudden his voice was in my head, answering me, I'd freak out. Am I going nutz? She seemed so calm. (Maybe her drowning and reviving a different person 1000 years ago has made her not question anything. Like, "oh. I guess I can hear people's thoughts now.")
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pebble
September 13, 2016 at 6:34 AM
I watched this ep from two drama sites, the first one translated that telepathic "mind talk" like that:
"I didn't think you would help me too, Prince So."
"It's not because I like you, I just don't want to see you live a life controlled by others...."
The second site omitted it's not because I like you , which makes a lot of difference. So which is the correct translation? I'm wondering...
See, even when a telepathic mind talk was projected out loud "ventriloquisitcally", we've got slight variations, but they could do it without batting an eyelid. Gosh, maybe a thousand years ago, human mind was not so cluttered, so all of them had this telepathic ability to engage in mind talk perhaps, just like in kung fu movies, the kung fu masters can fly and walk on water, so it is not surprising that they have wifi signals emitting from them which can be received by others, ahem, in close proximity . Su and So were in physical contact, weren't they? ;-)
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PakalanaPikake
September 13, 2016 at 8:55 AM
Too many Vulcan mind-melds. Or were those Cylon moments? At least they're not texting each other while sitting on the horse.
Seriously though, maybe some of these telepathic conversations were retrofitted later during the re-editing.
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44 pickledplumtree
September 12, 2016 at 8:01 PM
I just adored it. Choppiness and all. There is something so enthralling about it that just pulls me in. The beauty, the tone, and the story, I suppose.
That being said, something about her being so desperately determined not to marry King Taejo was off to me. If her main goal throughout the series is "to live," then she really was a bit self-defeating with that wrist-slice for many, many reasons. Being a king's wife would be such a sweet deal. Saying no is a deathwish, as is injuring yourself in such a manner. I felt like her strong will to have a choice betrayed her as a girl of our time, and a young/naive one at that! I was wondering how they were going to get out of that one. I thought Wook was going to declare his love for her, but I was surprised! Part of what keeps it interesting. I also liked her discussion of her reasoning and acceptance of her fate with Concubine Oh afterwards, and Oh also dug it. I was hoping that the episode's plot content didn't end with what was shown in the previews, and it did take a very interesting turn.
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Nat
September 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM
I agree with you, I like the show despite all the issues. But can I just point out that being the king's wife is most definitely not a thing to want, haha. So I totally get Hae Soo's desperation to avoid the marriage. Baek-ah said she would not survive the life and I totally agree. I like historical dramas in general, and the queen and/or concubines are hardly ever happy people. The palace is too full of intrigue and political plots - especially for someone like Hae Soo who has no one to back her.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 8:55 PM
Just as one of the Prince daddy, she will only meet the ? King one ? night and be forgotten. Worst killed. By the other concubines/wife maybe. She will die early as she doesn't know how to follow Goryeo culture much in the palace
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 8:56 PM
*Prrince said**
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Stephanie
September 13, 2016 at 11:26 PM
Her desperation totally made sense to me. As did the princes wanting to prevent it. To most of them she is one of the few people that talks to all of them with no political motivation or desires. Of course they would want to protect that. She even saved the youngest princes life, which probably meant something even to the brothers she wasn't as close to, as everyone seems to dote on him.
What made my heart break the most was when the 10th prince (I think) says to... I forget which brother, maybe So? "Will she be like my mother now?" With the saddest most heart breaking look on his face. At least from the Princes perspective, witnessing the strifes of their own mothers, they did not want that for her.
As for Su, she still definitely thinks like a modern woman, and on top of that is struggling with her romantic feelings towards Wook (and I think to a lesser extent So) and knew marrying the King would entrap her forever. She obviously values her freedom, even more than her life, though living is still high on her agenda. She didn't slit her wrist "properly" to kill herself anyways, so aside from it being deep, I don't think she actually thought she would die.
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45 azurebliss
September 12, 2016 at 8:09 PM
A comment from past episode intrigues me about Chaeryung knowing how to read hanja. When she was packing Su's belongings and right after Su told her that she's running away, Chaeryung said along the lines of 'Even if I get beaten to death, I won't tell them where you've gone to.'
Sounds to me like Chaeryung wa purposely guilting Su to not run away. Aaand that brief glance to 9th Prince Won after her beating still wrecks my brain lmao.
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46 mishiro_san
September 12, 2016 at 8:10 PM
Thanks for the fast recap. I wish this show had a competent production team because this episode definitely felt disjointed. The scene w/ So helping Beak ah was suppose to happen in episode 4 before Hae so got the beating. I think they were trying to figure out a way to show the relationship between 13 and 4 since apparently they were closed in the Chinese version. I remember in the 6 minute teaser version of the show that Baek ah was next to Wang So and they were both wearing armor. I also wished they were able to show a gradual relationship between Hae so and #13 since it felt like it was like 2-3 days after Lady Hae's death even though the period between the funeral and the marriage incident was probably longer. I also wished they added more scenes with Junki but I guess they are following the Chinese version of story where the girl has her relationship w/ #8 before her relationship with #4. The marriage scene felt a bit rush as well. Now I'm just worried about the future episodes.
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47 Lilium
September 12, 2016 at 8:13 PM
I only started marathoning this on the weekend and it's my new crack drama. Editing issues aside. Didn't care for the first episode but the third pulled me in. I'm seriously hooked.
I don't know what it is with me and low-rated dramas... we must have some kind of affinity or some such thing.
This is probably my fourth LJK drama and it's the first time I've been in love with him as an actor and the character he plays.
I guess I'm in the minority in that although he's not in as much, I find every scene he's in wonderfully memorable.
Loving this show... and no one is more surprised than I am about that.
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voice
September 13, 2016 at 1:31 AM
i agree, although I'm disappointed in the production team i love this drama
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maya2825
September 13, 2016 at 9:09 AM
Count me in!
This drama is my crack. I'm probably high on LJK but i keep rewatching no matter what the world says.
Low ratings only make me ache for the actors, especially LJK. His charisma on screen blows my mind every single time.
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48 bamsa
September 12, 2016 at 8:17 PM
This episode was all over the place editing wise. marriage thing, escaping and punishment... could have been made more dire, somehow it didn't feel like end of the world kinda situation. That many Princes of marrying age and why does the King need to many himself, why not marry her to one of the princes?
I think IU looked really beautiful this episode. I think white suits her better than pink dress she has been wearing.
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49 Ira
September 12, 2016 at 8:18 PM
Not sure whether this has been discussed, but I do wonder whether the whole taboo and disgust of scars were really happened during goryeo era or is it something that was invented by the drama. Because, during those times of frequent arms conflicts, it can be very easy i suppose to get a scar. The king himself was a warrior king which I find almost impossible to not have a scar or two. Unless being a king sort of trump everything? Or is this a sly way of the show to imbues some social commentary on the unrealistic standard of beauty. Given how haphazard the drama has felt so far, I doubt that was the case.
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 12:36 AM
You're absolutely right, particularly in that time, that having scars seems a weird thing to disbar someone from royalty. But do they actually say men can't be kings because of a scar? It is perhaps a sign of ill luck if it's on your face, but does the drama ever say Wang So can't be king with a scar, or does it only imply his scar makes it more difficult? I'm asking because I honestly don't remember and we now seem to have different versions we're working from.
Women with scars might be a different matter. It might be a mark of low class to have scars for women, precious little butterflies that they were supposed to be. For the rest of us in the modern world, they are, of course, marks of distinction. I remember comparing mine on my knees with the neighbourhood kids and being so proud I had the most!
I do know that physical imperfection in potential kings around the globe could debar from inheritance, but that was more likely to be a clubfoot or twisted limb, etc., than a minor scar.
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fuyu
September 17, 2016 at 6:20 PM
I agree. It would have made more sense to me if So had a disfigurement from a disease or birth defect.
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50 dramafan100
September 12, 2016 at 8:24 PM
Is it possible that sometimes we get influenced by the negative comments about a drama that we start seeing faults in it? I also wonder if one's dislike for another drama makes the competing drama's faults, not so faulty?
I do not know but I wonder about this.
I like this drama. I was fan of neither of the two saguek dramas so, I had no expectations one way or the other. I did not even care. But, with all the hype, I was curious.
Because of my lack of bias, I actually got very upset with the double digit jump for other drama - mostly because I could not figure out what this drama did wrong so badly that ratings went down like that.
The unfairness of it all actually made me watch the other drama with critical eyes. So, now, I am more critical about the other drama and less critical of this.
I am enjoying this drama more right now. But I do not know if it is a rational enjoyment or emotional one or a biased one...
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Anyways, I actually did not feel big edit issues but I was pretty fascinated to read this recap version that is actually different from what I saw in DF.
Is this an edit they make for international viewers? I wonder why!
In the version I saw, she was getting ready for the marriage ceremony and the recap says she was getting ready for the bed scene - I am glad I watched marriage thing because hearing she had to go to bed with that old king would have turned me off completely.
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don'tknow
September 12, 2016 at 8:45 PM
I was thinking the same, what if I didn't know about all the rating issues and how the drama is being re-edited for some desperate move to save the rating while watching this drama, will I be this dissatisfied about it?
Then I remembered that my main problem with this drama is that all the development of the characters is happening behind the scene!
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waitwhat
September 12, 2016 at 9:53 PM
lol exactly, who would have the patience to imagine all the unseen developments besides the devoted fans :sigh:
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 1:10 AM
I'd advise you to just ignore the criticism you don't notice yourself. For instance, I never noticed how bad the OST supposedly is so I ignore those comments. I never noticed IU's acting was bad - I like her a lot in this - so I ignore those comments. I expect the Wook-Su romance to play itself out so I ignore the comments bemoaning it or the comments praising it, but not the comments analyzing it, which I enjoy.
The things I did notice - the strange tonal splitting in the first few episodes, the cringe-worthy bath scene fan service, the awkwardness in general of group prince scenes (but good individual prince scenes), the editing choices in this episode - I come here to find out if I'm crazy or others think it was off as well, and they usually have some great insight into it.
But because I love the drama despite any flaws, I mainly come to read discussions and analysis of it, both in the recap and by some seriously good commentators on here. Talk about scars: will Hae Soo cover up Wang So's with her cosmetology skills and get closer to him that way? why does Wook feel the need to cover Hae Soo's own scars up even further with salves and sleeves - isn't he a bit like So's mother (hiding away So) hiding away his own guilt because he couldn't help her? Talk about moral boundaries: Hae Soo and Wook and Lady Hae and Baek Ah - married, thought, action- what constitutes wrong? Talk about the history, and the brilliant cinematography.
That's why I love the drama - because it elicits all this talk about its themes, its character motivations and ethics, its symbols, its rather different than usual romance, its mix of pathos and humour, its comments on the human condition. Which is, honestly, kind of rare in dramaland. And is the main reason for the outlandish number of posts each episode gets on this board.
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voice
September 13, 2016 at 1:37 AM
I stopped going on dramabeans for a while just to avoid people's inputs because majority of the time when i enjoy a drama i find that a lot of people don't. i always tend to not notice that many flaws like how they play the ost or the acting until i come on dramabeans. I guess i can't accept other people's criticism, i can understand them but in doing so i start to see the drama that i once loved in a bad light. Its the same as dramafan100 said that sometimes i don't know if it is a rational enjoyment or emotional one or a biased one when i watch a drama
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 2:20 AM
Well, as I said, you only have to read the posts you want to because I quite understand how reading about flaws can make you over concentrate on them. I'm finding this drama does seem incite much more judgement than most dramas and that's not because it's bad overall. It's because, as with Cheese In the Trap, it has the potential to be so good, so the gap between expectation and reality can seem like an abyss.
I'm also a little amazed at the ratings for this drama. How can Uncontrollably Fond, for instance, get 10% and this one not even get 6%. The difference in pure entertainment value, if nothing else, is astonishing.
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youcallitwinter
September 13, 2016 at 11:33 AM
I know what you mean. Honestly, when I first started watching k-dramas, I did not know there was such a thing as 'idols' and so I watched all of the actors AS actors and there was no one who stuck out to me as a particularly bad actor who'd ruin the drama for me. But now, all I keep hearing is criticisms of "idol actors" v. "real actors" which affects my perception. And I know many friends who went into this drama blind, and never even thought about the "issues" till they went online and read the comments about what people were saying.
I too am more critical of Moonlight, even though I love it. Or actually it's not that I'm more critical, it's that I AM critical on some points (although I'm very critical about SH as well on some points) and since most people are not critical about Moonlight at all, it makes it seem as if I'm being over-critical of that. But it does seem to me that the comments that compare the two dramas and make SH sound unworthy, seem to me to miss a lot of points. It's possible to like different things, different thematics, different interpretations. Not particularly on DB, where I haven't seen too many comparisons, but everywhere else that is not DB, SH is compared negatively. I love the actors in Moonlight, but I find the story and dynamics here vastly more interesting. Its a personal preference. But a lot of negative comments seem to be like "it's not that deep" re: SH discussions, as if it's impossible to find enjoyment in the drama unless you're watching for the actors. I find that incredibly tiring. This drama has so many things to talk about, flirts with so many boundaries, and yet is criticized as just fanservice. It's so strange to me.
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beanified
September 13, 2016 at 1:40 PM
I agree with everything you said.... I still think all actors should just be treated as actors, and judged accordingly based on how they perform. There are good "idol actors", and bad "idol actors", just as there are bad and good normal actors. That pre-perception just biases our views toward their performances.
Also, if you think about it, Scarlet Heart is kinda meant to be the more deep of the two. It has by far the deeper plotline and character relations. Those discussions that you and the others have talked about are what I, and probably what most people, enjoy about it.
Moonlight, on the other hand, is meant just to be a lighthearted drama to enjoy after work/school (as stated by their PD). It's strength is not its plot (which has, as one DB writer put it, used practically all crossdressing cliches), but the interaction between the characters, and its freshness despite its genre. That fun and simple enjoyment what I love about that drama.
They're just two different things to be enjoyed for different reasons.
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