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Drama viewership ratings for the week of Aug. 29-Sept. 4, 2016

More premieres! And just from a chart perspective, it’d be great if all these shows stopped with the double headers—it’s enough to confuse any schedule. After Doctors aired three episodes last week, its replacement, the other much-anticipated sageuk Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo, aired three episodes over two days. It was a bit of a rollercoaster for the show as far as numbers are concerned, with it starting at 7.4% for its first episode, rising to 9.3% for its second, and then dropping back to 7.0% for its third.

But I had to look twice to make sure the numbers were correct as far as Moonlight Drawn By Clouds is concerned—the show performed well last week, pulling in around 8.5%, but this week, it made an absolutely insane jump to 16.4%. I love the show, and think it’s sweet and adorable and all the things we love to watch dramas for, but I do wonder what caused such a significant jump in only one week. It seems unprecedented, though I’m sure it isn’t. Maybe it’s just the Park Bo-gum effect. Whatever it is, it certainly made this week’s ratings fun.

Bring It On, Ghost came to an end this week at a very impressive 4.3%, and there weren’t many surprises in the middle of the week. W—Two Worlds continues to do well for itself, but Jealousy Incarnate may yet have time to catch up. As far as the weekend’s concerned, Fantastic aired in the slot Age of Youth left behind on JTBC, and pulled in about the same numbers as its predecessor. Here’s hoping it can fill the empty void left by its amazing predecessor too.

 
Drama viewership ratings for the week of Aug. 29-Sept. 4, 2016

Ep. # Station Rating
Monday, Aug. 29
Moonlight Drawn By Clouds 3 KBS 16.0%
Monster 42 MBC 10.0%
Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo 1 SBS 7.4%
Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo 2 SBS 9.3%
Bring It On, Ghost 15 tvN 3.2%
Tuesday, Aug. 30
Moonlight Drawn By Clouds 4 KBS 16.4%
Monster 43 MBC 10.8%
Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo 3 SBS 7.0%
Bring It On, Ghost 16 tvN 4.3%
Wednesday, Aug. 31
Uncontrollably Fond 17 KBS 8.0%
W—Two Worlds 12 MBC 11.1%
Jealousy Incarnate 3 SBS 8.7%
Thursday, Sept. 1
Uncontrollably Fond 18 KBS 7.9%
W—Two Worlds 13 MBC 11.9%
Jealousy Incarnate 4 SBS 9.1%
Friday, Sept. 2
Fantastic 1 JTBC 2.2%
Cinderella and the Four Knights 7 tvN 3.2%
Saturday, Sept. 3
Laurel Tree Tailors 3 KBS 22.2%
Blow Breeze 3 MBC 11.4%
Flower in Prison 32 MBC 18.3%
Our Gap-soon 3 SBS 6.5%
Second to Last Love 8 SBS 7.9%
Fantastic 2 JTBC 2.4%
Cinderella and the Four Knights 8 tvN 3.0%
Sunday, Sept. 4
Laurel Tree Tailors 4 KBS 27.6%
Blow Breeze 4 MBC 13.3%
Flower in Prison 33 MBC 20.0%
Our Gap-soon 4 SBS 6.9%
Second to Last Love 9 SBS 8.1%

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The ratings thread have become so heated lately. Strange since most of us are international viewers that don't affect ratings at all. Plus the ratings mechanism in any country are so un-reflective (is that a word) of the audience given the multitude of viewing channels

#HighRatingsNotLegitWhenItIsNotMyFavouriteOk
#DelusionsAreGoodForSanity

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I guess maybe because ratings are the easiest way to judge korean's reaction towards their own dramas. And actors/staff of drama still view ratings as their success results so their drive probably got carried down to us viewers too.

I agree with #HighRatingsNotLegitWhenItIsNotMyFavouriteOk lets be deluded together HAHA! Anyways ratings is not always reflective of quality

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The Laurel Tree Tailors Show is doing well, so my conclusion:

#HotCleanShoweredShavenOppasInSuitsDriveUpRatings
#HotBloodyGrimyMaskedOppasNoGuaranteeForHighRatings

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I saw bits of Laurel Tree Tailors and it looks pretty decent. 50 eps though, so some motivation is needed...

#YayForChaInPyoMuscles
#LeeDongGunLooksGoodWithGelledHair

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#FlexThoseBicepsFryMoreChicken
#LeeDongGun'sLeadingLadyNeedsGelledHair

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#HalfFaceOppaEqualsHalfRatings

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Winner.

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That is somewhat mean. If you feels like mocking something about the show, let's leave LJK out of it since he is the best thing about that drama.

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I disagree. Apologies for choosing to reply to your comment, out of the plethora of similar responses over the past week. Lee Jun Ki's portrayal is okay, it's not stellar, nor the breakthrough out of the drama, imo. He doesn't fit with the cast, and looks way older than the rest. His cold portrayal also doesn't have the charm of the original 4th prince.

But I do agree that the glee of Moonlight fans against Moon Lovers low ratings is also unwarranted, as Moonlight is not exactly a stellar, or groundbreaking drama either. It is enjoying the success of airing first and being the underdog, while Moon Lovers is suffering from a hype backlash.

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ummmm ... sorry ... i meant because we see LJK's half face only, we get half the ratings. If we got to see his complete gorgeous face, full ratings. I love the show and completely adore LJK both in it and generally. Sorry if it came off as mean

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@bollyp, even his performance was not a stellar, he is still the best and the most experienced actor in it. He doesn't fit with other casts mostly because the others' acting are not in par with him. Probably exception to Kang He Neul who is second to LJK.

@Nifty I don't think Bips99 was being serious and being mean.

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Lmao!!! Chai, I love the hashtags which I never do because hashtags are complicated and give me headaches! I agree, #free The Alien Beauty!

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#FullyClothedParkBoGumBeats7HalfNakedBathingPrinces

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That's the most phenomenon of all in the history of Kdrama!! #HailThePowerOfFullyClothesParkBoGum ??

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OMG I'm dying.So true tho, I was just watching him on 2D1N, talk about the PBG effect!

#OneGrinToRuleThemAll

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I would rate Lee Seung Gi higher on the sheer cuteness factor.

#Adorbs

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omo omo I just imagined those two in a drama together as the most adorable bromance of all time (of all time!) and now I will never die happy until this happens. dramagods pleeeeease!!

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@Kreyon
Lee Seunggi and Park Bogum in the same drama? 2 of my fav puppies together? An ahjumma can't be happier. Even if the script is awful, I'll watch the 2 outdoing each other doing good and being heodang together.

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Same here I just saw Park Bo Gum on 2D1N, he is such a sweet person, team player, and humble (he set the table, serve water, doesn't have car and take subway). The Ahjumas fall hard for him and wish to have him as son-in-law for sure. Teehee!

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#SexinessEmittedThroughFullClothesIsStrongerThanSexinessVisibleOnlyOnBareSkins
#SexinessRedefined
#NewEraForSexiness

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That totally defies the laws of dramaland, though! See? W's not the only world that's breaking rules...

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That sounds like mocking LJK when he is the least problem of why the drama tanked.

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I think it was intended to have the opposite affect. Everyone, including me, expected the grimy, masked oppa to be the deciding factor. Producers were probably relying on that. And it just wasn't. It has nothing to do with LJK's performance and barely to do with the quality of the drama.

YY is simply saying the media play around LJK didn't turn out how we expected.

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So what do u mean? Are u trying to say its someone else's fault that affected scarlet heart's ratings? Fyi i feel all actors hv worked rly hard n ppl like u shldnt look down on the actirs just bcus sm could b singers. Please judge them fairly and not with ur own buased n selfish opinions. No offence but im just speaking the truth.

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What's weird is the amount of criticism of Korean tastes and preferences when a drama you like does not do well in Korea. Like er...the dramas are made for Korea, at best with an eye on the Chinese and Japanese market? It's great you can find stuff you like in their output and enjoy it but its off putting when you question the domestic audience and blame them for not watching what you like.

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Nopes. Not questioning korean tastes. Just ratings in general. Even my own country shows that i love tank because of low ratings. So there the only option is to put blinders on and enjoy the show till they inevitably get cancelled.

So relax please, it was a general statement. Not directed at korea/china or japan

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plus you missed the whole point

Ratings are bad when they trash my favourite. Then they are unfair, biased and flawed

When my fav is ratings leader, i use it to crow over the competition about how superior the show is.

Is the joke funny anymore if you have to explain it ? Probably not *Sad face*

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Oops no it was a general comment on the ratings threads and the irrationality therein. Not directed at you, I agree with you that it is strange it is so heated and I got the joke in the hashtags.

PS: I am always relaxed :)

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Ratings often have little bearing on the actual quality of a show (esp. the writing and acting).

Shows like Dallas, Dynasty, Melrose Place, Beverly Hills 90210, Grey's Anatomy (even Baywatch as a syndicated show or trash reality TV like The Kardashians or The Real Housewives) were big hits whereas critically acclaimed shows like My So Called Life, Freaks & Geeks, etc. failed or were limited to being cult hits such as Buffy/Angel, Firefly, etc. and were canceled before their time.

All I want to see are the shows w/ actual talented writers like Han Jung-hoon (PU38, Bad Guys) and Park Yeon-seon (Age of Youth) do well enough so that production companies and networks continue to bring their work to the TV viewing audience.

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yeah i see these types of comments quite often along with the ahjumma comments as well when certain shows arent doing as well as expected, it is quite off putting and comes off very defensive. at the end of the day we cant do anything about the rating so at best all we can do is enjoy it. idk lots of different kinds of drama end up being a hit, from intense melo's to light heart comedies to slice of life, sometimes its hard to guess which ones will be a hit. however i do feel bad for the cast and crew though.

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The other day W's ratings was explained by lack of ajhumma participation. I am an ajhumma and I love it! Its as bad as stereotyping young folk for liking romances.

I agree best to enjoy and feel for cast and crew if it doesn't get ratings.

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W is definitely not about the age. My 55-year-old mom was able to guess episode 13's twists after watching episode 12, and she's been theorizing about the show since we started watching it. It's just not the type of show you can start watching a few episodes in, hence the stagnant (but still relatively high) ratings.

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This ajhumma loves W! And @Elle, great point that I hadn't considered. W is definitely not a show you can just pick up in the middle - I would be so lost!

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That's an excuse people like to use when their fav drama doesn't do well, blame the ahjummas who control the remote. Too bad it's not true. It's just not reaching a wide audience of all generations and genders. Look at the Naver stats of the articles with the thousand of upvotes fans like to brag about. It's highest with women in their 30's. So, no it's not failing in normal ratings because of ahjummas. They are watching and are the biggest fans of the drama actually.

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This is not really a criticism of korean tastes. Like in India, youth shows or pure love line shows don't really garner ratings. Its always what you would call makjangs, family dramas that won the ratings war. So if you are on a tv discussion board there, most comments would be like "oh! the housewives don't like anything but kitchen politics, so sad our show is getting cancelled bec of their rotten choice"

Its a wrong sentiment as well as has no factual basis. but thats the reason everyone trots out. So it is not specific to korea that people bring in Ajhummas as a reason to explain ratings. Stereotyping exists everywhere.

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I think the criticism of Korean audiences stems mostly from fear and concern for your current favorite drama - if the ratings are bad, there will usually be a cut down on the number of episodes to save production costs or other negative effects.
International fans probably want to have more influence on the whole viewing process (having their opinion/views have higher significance).
At this point I can't really blame typical Korean viewers for their preferences since they're the main target group and it is not profitable enough for the broadcasting houses to cater more to international fans.

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Agree and of course one wants dramas one likes to be made. I just meant that find it odd that sometimes threads have this ugh Koreans you must do better kind of feel. In my own country I don't watch dramas because they are too familiar having seen them since childhood but a foreigner may well be fascinated. Guess that applies everywhere.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Korean viewers taste.

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Lucky for them they were around during the golden era of Korean television.

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And its not easily pigeonholed as in some of the threads - conservative, makjang blah blah even though int auds themselves often have straitjacketed tastes. Surely the reason for the continuing interest is the range of work, not the golden ear but still quite diverse.

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Ugh era!

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Nor am I implying that. Maybe I should have said we?
Anyway, it's impossible to satisfy everyone's tates, be they local or international fans.

I don't need approval in the form of positive reviews or high ratings to enjoy a drama, and I don't need to insult anyone's taste if doesn't match mine.

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I have my fair share of watching crappy dramas so I have no room to judge lol.

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@Kiara. Reading about some of those 90's shows on Mr. X's site makes me want to cry haha. MBC has uploaded a lot of classics onto its Youtube channel, so if I continue working on my Korean maybe someday I'll be good enough to watch without subs. My dream is to watch The Moon of Seoul (Han Seok-kyu, Choi Min-sik and Chae Si-ra doing a Kim Woon-kyung drama!!) and Tears of the Dragon (young Yoo Dong-geun <3).

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I am very grateful that I got into Korean dramas/films when he was active because I didn't know where to look for good shows.
Yea I felt like I missed out. I want to watch My Land, Tears of the Dragons (with real subs), You and I, What is Love, The Count of Myeongdong etc etc.

Is "The Moon of Seoul" on MBS classic yet? I'd watch it without subs. I've been doing that a lot lately with old shows.
I wish KBS would release their 90s shows too. They are probably collecting dust somewhere.

Do you think Kim Woon-kyung will do a sageuk again? I hope he stays with jTBC.

I'm very lucky to live near a theatre with Korean movies. I want Train to Busan to be gone already so they can show The Tunnel.

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@Kiara. WITHS2 did subs for The Count of Myeongdong! If the links are still working, you can download it from Doramax264, but if not, the whole thing is hardsubbed on gooddrama. It's such a beautiful show, probably my second or third favorite Jung Ha-yeon drama (I have to see the ending of Queen Insoo before I can decide on that haha).

The Moon of Seoul is still on MBC Classic. I was watching bits and pieces of it the other day, actually. I can only understand about one word for every ten lol, but the cast is so great, as is the Kim Woon-kyung vibe I get when I'm watching. I think The Reason I Live is on there too, which is the only one of Mr. X's top ten that isn't subbed.

idk if Kim Woon-kyung will do a sageuk again. He had a really interesting perspective on class, so I hope so. If he comes back again for jTBC, I will watch the heck out of whatever he writes. I love his characters so much. It's sad he's never worked with actors as great as The Moon of Seoul trio since then. I bet it must be amazing.

I live in a small town so I have to order Korean films or watch them online, so I'm jealous of your theater. I'm always behind haha. I finally got The President's Last Bang last week. I'd been wanting to see it for a long time, and it did not disappoint. I watched it with my brother and sister-in-law but they didn't read up on the assassination beforehand, so they had no idea what was going on lol. Now they want to watch it again.

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@Kiara

I believe MBC Classic does have "The Moon of Seoul" uploaded except for Episode 1 for some reason. However, MBC Classic does this thing where each episode is split up into multiple parts so it can be a bit messy to navigate. Search "서울의 달 2회" and a compiled playlist should come up for episode 2. Change the "2" into the episode number to go to the next episode. I have it bookmarked so that I can watch once I'm fluent enough to watch without subs.

MBC Classic also uploaded "The Reason I Live (내가 사는 이유)" which Mr. X has as #8 in his list and the only one in his top ten not subbed. It's a Noh Hee-kyung drama starring Lee Young-ae and Son Chang-min. It seems to be missing episode 10, but the rest of the series is there, no subs. Someone also created a channel that compiled all the parts into an organized set of playlists.

I too wish the broadcasting companies would release some of their older dramas or make them available for someone to sub. It seems like though that they have no interest in doing anything with them other than let it collect dust in their archives which is too bad because there are a lot of gems that came out in the 90's and early 2000's that are unavailable even in raw video form.

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@juniper. @Dopefish

Thank you!!!!

I didn't like the actors in The Duo so I didn't really watch it. I thought Chun Jung-myung should not be doing sageuks. The only one that I liked in the main cast was Seo Hyun-jin.
I guess I need to go back and watch it again.

@Dopefish

Thank you!!!!

Looking forward to watching those shows. I love Son Chang-min ever since Shin Don and I'm excited to watch some of his earlier work.

I always thought KBS was too stingy with their shows. I was surprised to find Jeong Do-jeon with subs a year later.

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@Kiara. Yeah, the acting is a big letdown in The Duo, besides Seo Hyun-jin and some of the veterans (Choi Jong-hwan and Kim Myung-soo <3). I thought Lee Sang-yoon was surprisingly good, but Cheon Jung-myung was really disappointing (I agree, no more sageuk for him) and Han Ji-hye was just awful. If you can get past that, though, the writing is awesome. I've never really seen a sageuk deal with personal relationships between different classes so well before, and a lot of the side characters are a riot.

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@juniper

I actually love the first half of it but I think I got really annoyed with the leads. I'm going to start from the beginning again lol.

The University in my area has it's own theatre and there is a lot of Asian kids going to school there. I think that's why they are showing a lot of Korean movies there.
I checked today and it has The Tunnel (yay), Train to Busan and Operation Chromite. It's like packed today so I'll go watch it tomorrow.

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I think the whole criticism is pretty hypocritical from ifans actually, especially since half of them probably watch the dramas on unauthorized sites like dramafire or other sites. People have no right to complain about ratings if they can't even support the drama on official streaming sites to support the dramas where they can.

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Completely agree. It's disgusting the way so many iviewers come on legal sites like Viki and drama fever and leave names of illegal sites to watch for "free". And then they have the galls to criticize KViewers for not watching their favorite shows and "causing" them to be cancelled or shortened.

They won't even pay 4-5 bucks a month to support these dramas but they think K drama producers should respect their tastes and give them more say.

There are so many comments like "it's unfair," "it's unjust," "it's disappointing" that they cannot have instant access to premium shows without paying. Why the hell do they think they are entitled to instantly enjoy these shows that someone else put in a lot of work and money to create and sell? Why is their "right" to instant entertainment more important than the makers' rights to livelihoods and returns on their investment? A lot of iviewers are, in my opinion, nothing but shameless thieves who bash the drama makers and legal distributers when they are not allowed to steal freely.

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@O_o why so serious? I don't find it really fair to generalise about ifans the way it was done above. we are fans, we love dramas, we want to watch them, we want to comment on them, we want to share our love for them. the thing is, they happen to be from korea and most of us are not from there. what was not mentioned is we live in different time zones: if I want to watch a drama live on air I should skip an hour or so at my work. not happening. what was not mentioned either are the region restrictions on viki and df. you see, I would love to pay but I can't, cause my country is not listed. so if I want to watch what I love to watch I have to use other means. that's why I was extra stung to be labelled as a shameless thief. peace.

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I do agree that the current system for measuring national ratings is rather outdated, especially with the rise of LEGAL online viewing platforms. IMO, a combination of both traditional tv rating and online viewer counts should be taken as an accurate measure of a show's popularity. However, this doesn't negate the fact that a show that makes people drop everything and watch it live on tv is something special regardless of its quality.

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I agree except they are still only going to count those viewers who bring in advertising dollare because no matter the country, it is still all about the money. So international audiences will continue to have less sway in the ratings unless the broadcasters figure out how to profit from them.

Although some of the shows had plenty of "commercials" in the story itself! (Doctors, brought to you by Subway, I'm looking at you)

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Dollars matter and the Koreans do make enough of a push to get their work out. But culture industries come about from a specific shared culture. If you want to make something genuine and good it has to come from your understanding of your culture and first and foremost striking a chord with those who share that culture. It comes from language and a long history of it (Subs are a very poor substitute). Etc. International audiences are never going to be that audience. I think there is inauthenticity involved if you are tailoring a drama involving Korean culture and characters to please auds from a different culture. IMO its not int auds that should influence the drama. Rather modern Koreans may be exposed to various cultures - how they synthesise it and express is what makes it interesting and why dramas change over the years. Tbh its how K-drama is different that is interesting - why would I bother with one that is tailored to my culture's sensibilities?

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I love Korean dramas because they ARE so different from my home country's offerings. There are so many references, jokes, etc that I don't understand because I don't share the cultural history or knowlege, which can certainly cloud my opinion. But that is part of what I like - I am learning while I watch.

I'm not sure why the ratings are such a hot topic. We watch what we like and don't watch what we don't. I might check out a show due to high ratings but won't keep watching just because a bunch of others are watching. Nor will I drop one because no one else is watching it.

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DramaMama I agree. I keep my own counsel when watching dramas!

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At last count, NetFlix has over 200 Korean dramas and movies. None of those are reflected in any ratings, yet they still make money, even years after airing.

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I read this thought on another site that why do people bash koreans for ratings when amongst the international viewers it is accepted that whatever they want to watch or drop they can do it on their own will. So why can't koreans watch or drop whatever they want.
I believe ratings should not concern the international viewers at all.

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Those are probably the same people that think the Kardashians were worth watching...

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Tbh I began to actually care about ratings when they cut down Beautiful Mind. Before that I just looked at ratings for my info. Might pop up during quiz night or something.

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Totally agree. BM :(

While I do care about rating since my taste a bit more like korean tastr. I 'usually' watch high rating dramas. My fave will always be one of the higher rating. But i still watch low rating dramas for my 'taste'.

People complaint about rating but rating is PREFERENCE. You can judge or ask people to love what you love.

At first, i wonder why W didnt get rating like doctors even for some ppl doctors was pretty boring. But then, i come to understand, not all ppl love so many twist stories. As a fan of Signal, six flying dragon and nirvana in fire, which are dramas with so many intricts and very thoughtful, i found W is getting boring even i love thr cast.

Rating is very important for producer if not, producer will cut the episodes. But for viewers/fans, it's preference. And once again, you can not and never judge other's preference jusy bcuz it's different from yours.

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Well Doctors came out first and established it's viewers. It doesn't make sense to drop one medical drama for another in the middle of it even if the new one is better.

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Doctors was just a more accessible drama for the general public and on top of that its was an easy, breezy show that was a great fit for summer. The TV equivalent of a summer blockbuster and the creative control of the show knew how to deliver.

I think a show like Beautiful Mind would have done well on a cable channel like JTBC or even TVN. Cable subscribers are usually more open to shows that aren't so cookie cutter like BM. I'm halfway into it and I keep thinking this is quite different for a kdrama. It's the first one I've been genuinely intrigued and captivated by since Signal ended.

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Also not trying to bash Doctors or say cable watchers are better. I don't see anything wrong with shows like it and I'm just glad there's more variety with cable channels becoming more visible and accessible. The more options for the public countryside and internationally, the better!

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I kinda agree if BM is on cable TV probably the rating will be better. I was surprised actually because many actors turned down the lead role, in which I think the leading character was a very complex character. But again I cannot picture other actor than Jang Hyuk playing it so I am grateful because they turned it down.

I also think for this year, drama like Master of God Noodles if it is shown in cable drama, maybe it will have more viewers and had been discussed more in DB. Probably. The targeted audiences in cable as well as public station probably different too.

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@Deb,
Yeah, I agree Beautiful Mind would do well on a cable channel, it's that sort of drama unlikely to garner mass mainstream appeal but would do well with a niche (or cult) following (at the very least, probably better than what the eventual numbers were). Ah well. I hope you enjoy the rest of Beautiful Mind. Loved Jang Hyuk in it, and so glad he took on the role.

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Doctors and BM started on the same day.... So your excuse doesn't work her.
Doctors 1st ep was almost 3 times higher than BM since 1st 1st day of broadcast June 24th.

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Ps : the 'you' here is not you but other people :)

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I can understand caring about ratings to the extent that you want your faves to do well and get better offers afterward, but beyond that, we really shouldn't be seeking validation of our tastes from the Korean audience.

Granted, sometimes it's maddening when you know low ratings are a result of avoidable shoddiness from a production *insert 'we could have had it AAAAAALLLL' noises here* and that that may be why viewers gave it the avoid. But still, I'll stick to celebrating the year's sleeper hits (Oh Hae-young Again, Doctors, now Moonlight) and hoping my faves luck into a better drama next time.

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I was feeling suffocated reading through all the earlier comments and this comment might be the pause among all the noise. We can now make a drama out of all this issue in the ratings war.

I'm just sincerely happy for Bogummy's drama to have such good ratings. I'm not saying that it's better the Moon Lovers, because I also think that each scene is more engaging. It's unfortunate that they have the same schedule and both are sageuk. Let us just both show our love for each show. :)

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So, so happy for Moonlight! I wasn't expecting it to become a hit given the relatively low buzz, but I'm happy it clicked with domestic viewers.

There's nothing new with it plotwise, but the acting and character dynamics more than make up for this. I'm glad the cast and crew are getting some much-deserved validation for their efforts.

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me too! can't quite point out what pulls me in. it's visually beautiful, the background music fits nicely, the chemistry between leads is there, it's got just the right amount of melancholy, humour, tension...

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It's everything! Everything about this show elevates it from being yet another cross-dressing drama. It's magic!

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Also, because everyone is uncontrollably fond to Park Bo Gum - well deserved too!

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I dont think i can hear the word 'uncontrollably' without shuddering a little

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Me neither. What's worse is I'm still watching it, shuddering uncontrollably as I fast forward through half of it.

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I think the girl is probably just as much a pull as PBG. I'm an ajumma who likes a good love story and PBG is a great attraction, but this girl is so full of light she just brightens up the screen.

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It's a really, really well-put-together pair of episodes - everything from the cast ('nuff said) to the direction (a PD who actually knows the appropriate distance for a close-up!) and the OST choices (not distractingly loud, cheesy or worst of all, IN ENGLISH), is on point.

I'm really glad they got the results to show for it.

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You're right, it was a good pair of episodes. I wasn't intending to watch Moonlight, since I'm not into Park Bo-gum, but somehow sat through episodes 3 and 4 when they aired on KBS World. Kim Yoo-jung was wonderful in it and I quite liked Park Bo-gum's crown prince as well.

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I'm kind of picky when it comes to sageuks especially with actors because I can watch for my favorites even if it turns out to be a total crap show.

Kim Yoo-jung has been paired with the best of her generation in this genre so when a new actor comes around it takes a while for me to warm up to them.

The more I watch Park Bo-gum, the more come to really like him on and off screen. Although he is very popular I don't feel any sense of entitlement. He seems very humble and he's going to keep getting better and better because he is willing to learn even from his younger leading lady.

I don't blame the older generation for wanting him as their son in law and that goes for Kim Yoo-jung too.

I think they contributed to the ratings not only by great acting but their personality. They are well loved on and off screen.

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yay @junny! *waves hi*

watch watch! its a nice show!! very good acting all round really... Glad you enjoyed the last 2 episodes :D

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Hi @michykdrama! I'll definitely keep an eye out for it on KBS World. Prince needs to up his smarts on Ra-on's gender hijinks!

@The other Kiara
I know what you mean about being picky on sageuks and actors. Tbh, I hadn't liked Park because of a certain remake that shall continue to burn in flames, but seeing him in Moonlight helped turn things around a bit. It was nice seeing his chemistry with Kim Yoo-jung - that bit where she was standing on tiptoe trying to put on his hat, and he just purposely stood on tiptoe as well was hilarious. I do hope for some meat to this drama though, fun and light-hearted as it has been.

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@Junny that remake, is that TC?!!!

Re sageuks, wasn't Empress Ki popular? I don't often see it mentioned. The length always puts me off - as I said I need a 20 ep condensed version:)

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@Karuna,
Yes, it's TC. May it forever burn and be trashy.

Empress Ki was pretty shrieky and historically inaccurate. I didn't like what I saw of it, but I've heard others did.

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@karuna Empress Ki was not historically accurate but I enjoyed actors' performance the most. I am selective in sageuk and my biggest factor will be the actors and I am more on serious sageuk (even it is not historically accurate).

From Empress Ki, I discovered that Ji Chang Wook and Baek Jin Hee are great actor and actress. Probably I like JCW better in sageuk.Wish to see BJH as 'Tanashiri' again in future.

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The drama whose name must never be mentioned and quickly forgotten:)

I feel like I should watch the female sageuk dramas (EK, Queen Seondeok, Jewel in the Palace, the to be aired Saimdang.... but have yet to work up the enthusiasm. I kind of enjoyed parts of The Painter of the Wind though.

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KBS should hold on Kang Byung-taek. He has a lot of experience with sageuks and can put together a great show with a smaller budget.

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I just looked up his works, and he was producer for Gaekju as well - that gives me the extra push to watch that drama.

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That one had great sageuk actors but it dragged on to a point where I ended up dropping it.

He directed Jeong DoJeon if you want to watch a great conventional sageuk. It's probably the last time we'd get to see a real sageuk.

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KBS has some good PDs/PD teams working for them right now, if they have any sense they should also hold on to Kim Jung-hyun and Lee Eun-jin for modern dramas, especially youth ones.

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Jeong Do Jeon is 50 eps... *gulps* I was only gonna attempt Gaekju because I could count on Jang Hyuk to lead me through.

Wasn't Six Flying Dragons a conventional sageuk? I didn't watch it, but heard it was pretty solid.

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@junny. Six Flying Dragons was a fusion sageuk with wuxia-like elements; it definitely was not a sageuk in the traditional sense. It might have gotten some of the small details right, but it was not trying to say anything about history or present an accurate picture of the time period, so much as twisting historical figures and facts to suit its own narrative purposes, while relying on modern, wildly anachronistic understandings of politics, womanhood, violence, you name it, and ignoring the ways in which these things actually worked at the time. Jung Do-jeon otoh is an old school sageuk that is about engaging with history and intervening in the accepted historical narrative with well-researched, period conscious counterarguments. It explores Jung Do-jeon's political radicalism relative to late 1300s Confucianism, providing a nuanced, substantive political/moral debate about power, ideology, and loyalty to the state vs. political revolution, within the context of late Goryeo's socioeconomic collapse.

idk. If you watched like 5 episodes of one, then 5 episodes of the other, the difference would be crystal clear.

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@juniper,
Thanks for explaining the differences! I think I kind of get it, and that's a pity about Six Flying Dragons twisting stuff to suit its narrative purposes - not uncommon, but I always kind of prefer historical dramas to at least stick to key facts and figures and not mangle them too much.

I may give Jung Do-jeon a try when I'm feeling brave about 50 eps!

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aaah monday should come faster,

chae soo bin character will appear and we'll get more to god-byeon yeon character in based on the preview,

with the current development for the drama, I think they can do real for chae soo bin too...

and PBG make me start watching 1N2D this morning...
I wished to have 1N2D with the other cast too

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Praying rn that Chae Soo-bin's character isn't written to be the bitchy contrast against Kim Yoo-jung. The OTP have good enough chemistry on their own that we shouldn't need to resort to tactics like that to render the 'competition' unlikable.

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YES! I totally agree with this 100%

I hate nasty second leads for the sake of making the OTP look better suited to one another... And it is usually the female that is a b*tch... we could do with one less nasty jealous second female lead for sure!

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I will wait for you guys' reviews about Chae Soo Bin. This is her first sageuk, right? I hope she has more than a jealousy second lead.

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If we go by the history Chae Soo-bin’s character came from the (Jo clan) rival clan of the current Andong Kim clan that the bitchy queen and prime minister Kim is from.

She might be Yeong's political savior and supporter so he's not completely alone like his father the current king.
It would be great if she is as political savvy as King Taejong's queen without the jealousy part.

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Ohh thanks for info. I might tune in back to see Chae Soo Bin as I'm curious how her performance in sageuk (just like my curiosity for Im Jo Eun in UF).

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I hope so - idk how Chae Soo-bin will handle the speech since it's her first time in a sageuk, but it would be great to see her play a strategic ally to Yeong rather than the classic wifely jealousy trope, especially considering the imperative to reproduce.

But this drama's already done well by avoiding the asshole hero trope (yay for having him be this teasing, flirty, adorable but brilliant and calculating ball of fluff instead!) so I hope we'll get some of that care taken with the character of his future wife as well. I mean, we know she marries him in this drama since the promo posters have her hair up in the bun.

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I think she'll have something with yoo sung too. .

I hope that she is charismatic and understandable, that's all, bad or good is a choice.

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I also hope that she isn't a bitch but her character description isn't really going that way. It says she fall in love with the Crown Prince so she offers him help in exchange of marriage. It also says she is jealous of Ra On and dislike her because all 3 male leads attention are on her. And this causes her to change. That exactly what her character description in their drama Naver site says.

And her character in the novel is not a good girl too. I actually wanted her to be friends with Ra On and help her and CP. *sigh*

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Well, there goes our hope :(.

I've never read the novel so anything that's not in the history I figured that it might be from the novel.

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If that's the case, how pity. But I hope she still has more to offer, not only jealousy bitch. But even she is just a jealousy bitch. I will still probably watch her parts?

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There's no better way to describe an annoying second lead than this.

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#Doctorsisover
#Koreanaudienceswantanothercutecouple
#moonlightdelivers
#moonlightratingsdouble

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Psh. I'm chuckling just a little from the sidelines.

Kdrama fans does this thing: 'my fave' is Serious Art and a Masterpiece, but that other drama I don't like is just a romance with a silly OTP.

Sorry to burst people's bubbles... But almost every kdrama can be dismissed as 'just another OTP', for the simple reason that romance is such a central theme in most kdramas, and many fans grab each episode precisely for that romance.

Doctors had an OTP. But do did BM. Moonlight has an OTP. And so Moon Lovers also has its OTP. Unless the fact that IU gets to pick from a harem of 7 or 8 half naked guys in a fantasy swimming pool makes the show a lot more serious and quality than Moonlight's "another cute couple".

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The BM fans acted like BM was the greatest k-drama of the century and Doctors was the worst filth, because 'it didn't challenge mind', implying that those who watched Doctors were 'simple', OR it was just stupid romance LMFAO.
And I'm still laughing at the comment that said that KRW was worse actor than Jang Hyuk again laughing my ass off. The lengths those delusional fans went with after the ratings were released was hilarious to witness.
But on the other hand it's sad that BM got cut off by 2 eps but it was not Doctors fault, KBS was at fault.

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Ratings are such a killjoy. Some of my most loved shows (in my country) were cancelled because of low ratings. There all the makjang types work and all fresh ideas lie at the bottom of the pile. Its so frustrating. I watch like 2 domestic shows. And they too are on the verge of cancellation. Can't even imagine how actors must feel to see good work dashed because of a number

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sorry, this was meant as an answer to @SHJ above.

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Don't talk to me about unjust cancellations...I'm stille bitter about Constantine et Forever being kicked after just one season

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Gosh!

Don't get me started on Constantine! I almost had a heart attack when it was cancelled due to poor ratings! I was sooooo pissed!!!! I'm still angry when I think about it.

Sad, disillusioned me?.

Anyway, it's nice to meet a fellow lover of the series. Anyeong!

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This has happened far too many times to shows I really enjoyed that my current mindset is just to enjoy the present and not think too much about the future. It stil hurts though.

#rippushingdaisies
#riphannibal
#ripenlisted
#ripagentcarter
#ripconstantine

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#ripthehour
#ripthebletchleycircle
#ripmissfishersmurdermysteries

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Pushing Daisies suffered from that unfortunate writers guild strike if my memory serves me right, I still miss my pie-maker and Chuck.
Hannibal, they tried hard for a netflix/amazon deal, it just didn't happen.
Bottom line, Brian Fuller is a cult hit-maker.

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It did. I wish the cast would get together for a TV movie or something, just to properly resolve the story.

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I thought being too expensive to make for TV was a big reason for Pushing Daisies being cancelled.

At least Wonderfalls kind of had an ending in the DVDs.

Maybe Constantine can become a semi-regular in Arrow?

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yeah... hah I still mad about Utopia, even after 2 years

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Oh, shit - somebody who loves Utopia!
Man, you could tell how amazing that show is right from the first episode! The sunning but jarring visuals, the creepy and rhythmic instrumental soundtrack, the frenetic pace of the plot... I was instantly in love.
I'm glad we at least got 2 seasons before it was canceled.

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Yeayy for Fantastic! I think first two episode were good, all characters perform well. Joo Sang Wook is really good in doing 'foot acting'. If I were the crew, I think I will laugh for hours. ? Kim Hyun Joo and Park Shi Yeon are friendship goals ? Kim Hyun Joo looks younger with short hair and very pretty to me

Cinderella - #teamjiwoonhawon ?

GabSoon - Rating decreased from last week. The earlier episodes were too depressing imo. Hope the writer give us more lovey dovey moments instead of constant fighting / misunderstandings. The other characters still not interesting so far. Probably will comeback after epi 10 to see how it goes. As much as I love Kim So Eun, I cannot stand the boring and dragging plot. Afraid it will be like A Thousand Kissess and her long drama before. sigh.

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We are in for another of JTBC show.

Cinderella - Picked a team already?

GabSoon - I like family dramas but i have yet to watch any scene of this show and that Laurel Tailors.

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LOL. I already picked the team from beginning ? And glad the ship is sailing ❤

I like family dramas as well, but depends on the plot. Laurel looks like will be a fun ride but will start later, normally I start watching long drama after it reached epi 10 at least.

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I watch Gab-soon episode 1, and pretty much wanted to drown Song Jae-rim at the end (sorry, Mary, don't kill me!). It's like they went out of their way to negate the couple's chemistry by having him be the absolute worst of the worst.

I liked the first episode of Laurel Tree Tailors, it seems to be a much better-done specimen of the weekend drama genre.

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LOL pogo. I even wanted to slap Gabdol 100x ?? But good job actually, because it is very important to draw the difference between them in WGM and this drama. It will means nothing if their characters are just like WGM. How I wish the drama could be about 20 episodes only and only about Gab2 Couple or maybe Loser Couple ? ? ??

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I cringed through the whole first episode and dropped it like a hot potato (hot apple?)

I can't stand the kind of character Rim plays and I will just forever be mad if they redeem him. Gap-soon deserves a better person.

I'd rather skip the show and leave other fans to enjoy it than rant every week and spoil their fun. Hehehe

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Oh no, so sorry for the disappointment, SJR deserves better than that.

I don't know how long I can take it to think that Jiwoon is the end game. #teamanyoneelsebut

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SJR actually deserves praise for his acting, honestly I didn't find he was a good actor before but I slowly changing my mind about his acting now. I believe he can carry the show with KSE together.

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I'm #TeamJiWoon but still have SLS lol. And am I the only one hoping 3rd brother gets together School Uniform girl? Their height difference is adorable!

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Looks like SeoWoo is falling for Cinderella too, and I'm not ready. But I ship him with Cinderella best friend! The height difference though ,?
For Kang Hyun Min, his chemistry with Cinderella is jjang but I already knew he likes her, but he does not really love her. How I wish they casted better actress for HyeJi. HyeJi is non likeable character and the way that actress playing it made her become totally boring. Someone like Kim Seul Gi or Lee Bitna maybe will made the character a bit likeable?

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I was ROLLING when they were talking about who they wanted to cast in their drama and the said they wanted Park Bo Geum so they could have huge ratings, and then found out he was cast in the show opposite them. ;_; But it's true, he seems to be blowing up the ratings for Moonlight so this is a case of Truth in Art.

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Its raising cz doctors already end and abt 6%++ doctors viewer pick moonlight d

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I love moonlight the drama funny and feel fresh. This child actresses so beautiful, i love her eyes (I mean natural beauty).. bogum+yoojung chemi made me forgot doeksun + taek for a moment. LoL...!

And i enjoy Jealousy incarnate... ths show like care of our health campaign.. abt humanistic (i suddnly missed Doctors) plus comedic element was so funny. I laughed even when they wre in pain after surgery! Hahaha

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Congrats to Moonlight. That jump is insane! I wonder if they can keep it up and maybe even go higher. Next week's Mon-Tue ratings battle will be interesting, especially if SBS will make good with that they said about re-editing Moon Lovers and taking care of the OST. I think EP 3 of Moon Lovers is the best out of all 3 episodes from last week.

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I like both moon dramas but as a Korean, I feel like Moonlight was tailored toward the Korean sensibilities while Moon Lovers was made to please the Chinese audience. Most Koreans have not even heard about the original Chinese novel or drama let alone have high expectations of a remake. So ML got tons of downloads in China and is doing very well there. As for the Korean ratings, if Moonlight keeps up what it's been doing, I am afraid ML will have a very tough time.

Most Korean viewers are fed up with the trend of making dramas to export them to China, rather than to entertain the domestic audience. Only yesterday, SBS said they may postpone airing of Saimdang because it was still being inspected by the Chinese authorities and they were not sure whether simultaneous release in China, Korea and Japan was possible. Most Korean reactions were that they would boycott watching it. Now we have to depend on the mercy of a foreign country to even watch tv? Obviously SBS hasn't learned its lesson from ML's failure.

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Interesting observation! I was wondering what the purpose of ML's obligatory mass bathing scene was, and fanservice is probably the best explanation.

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Plus PBG is the current IT actor much like how PSH is the IT actress at the moment. There is no denial to go for the current IT and Moonlight also follows in closer to the footsteps of Doctors in term of genre. It surprises me that koreans generally never heard of ML when the international audiences been highly waiting for it for months.

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I did not say they never heard of ML. What I said was most have never heard of the original Chinese fiction or drama BBXN.

And I don't think either moonlight's or Doctors' success was MAINLY because of the leading actor or actress's IT factor. Moonlight has been so far a poignant story well told, acted and directed. Doctors, I have really no idea why it did so well ( I stopped after 3 episodes or so; after that God-awful kiss scene in the rain where I got the impression of two awkward goats trying to teeth-bump each other, I did not hate the show but never found any willingness in my finger to flip to that channel). But I never even realized PSH was liked so much that she was a IT girl in Korea. She seems to be a sweet next-door type of girl, though. PBG, too, is much loved for sure but I can think of a few more guys loved equally or more than him right now. For example, Ryu Jun Yeol. But his latest drama sucked so people did not tune in even though he himself was so cute and wonderful in it.

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How is park shin hye an hit actress,I think she already passed the it stage though but park go gum is still an hit actor

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If ones want to talk about quality directing and acting as well as fresh storyline, W is by far, the drama which I say the most interesting as at the current months yet the jump in ratings is not as much as Moonlight. If ones is to compare UF with SH, I think UF is worse but the drama still did better than SH in terms of rating. So, my takes is mainly for the reason that yes, PBG and PSH are the current "IT" that can no wrong at this juncture.

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But UF is almost over and SH barely started. I don't think you can legitimately compare their ratings. UF did better than SH? Did you time slip to 19 weeks from now? ?

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Thank you for the insider's perspective. I've got a speculation re. the Korean audience's attitude (rather than awareness) toward C-BBJX. I remember reading somewhere that C-BBJX aired on some channel in Korea, but didn't know for a fact whether it was true or not. My take is that one of the many reasons for K-BBJX's low start is maybe C-BBJX doesn't hit many Korean viewers' sweet spots, that's why they didn't check out the first few eps.

Anyway it's just ep 3 for ML. Viewership may change so who knows? I think both the over-gleeful MDBC fans and the over-disappointed ML fans should just relax a bit :)

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I hope JI picks up. To me it is a good human drama. Many people have pointed out that it looks like a weekend drama but I have never seen one but it is atleast not like your week days dramas. I don't think it is plot driven, they have a premise for each set of people but not exactly an entire plot. I don't usually like character driven stories but I guess its heading there and to me it seems really warm, therefore im using the term human drama.It would explore more on the family ties and relationships aspect that we see in everyday life too.

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It'll probably pick up post-W, with many Korean viewers saying they'll jump to JI once W is done. I'm not much of a fan yet but I'm liking what I'm seeing.

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If there's one thing about the rise of Moonlight Drawn by Clouds that makes me happy, it's that it means Park Bo-gum and Kim Yoo-jung have arrived on the scene as stars in their own right and not just 'rising stars'.

I really, REALLY hope SBS is checking over the remaining episodes (the unaired ones) of Scarlet Heart for editing issues before they air, now - I can't believe such a potentially interesting drama based on a beloved source is tanking because of lazy direction and editing/OST choices.

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Also, Park Shi-yeon is, well, FANTASTIC in Fantastic.

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She is. Especially in the 2nd episode. I'm looking forward to her story even more than the leads and I say this still loving them and their performances.

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Ji Soo the puppy will appear next week ❤ I'm glad JS doing this drama, working with fantastic seniors will help him a lot in many ways.

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oh thank god Ji-soo will be turning up next week, I need to get over my urges to slap everyone in that poor woman's life and I also need to see Ji-soo in something that isn't Scarlet Heart, since he's apparently just a really jarring puppy there.

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Ikr. I want Seol to leave that house (I hate her MIL & SIL but her husband is totally jerk and the worst husband of the year) and maybe live together with So-hye ??
Pray that JS will not only be a puppy in Fantastic as well.

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What I love about their friendship is even they were apart for years, they didnt even feel awkward with each other. I love the scene when Seol started crying and eventually So-hye crying as well, without talking what was that about. True friendship indeed.

I feel very very grateful as we don't have to handle any love triangle between the female leads and male lead, if not that will be minus point for this drama.

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I agree! While I am enjoying the performance of the leads, most especially JSW who is killing it so far as a "foot actor", I found myself looking forward to PSY's story the most. It's like Choi Ji Woo's character in Twenty Again but with sinister in-laws. I'm loving the friendship that she has also with So Hye and Mi Sun. Can't wait for Ji Soo to appear. At least he's playing a character that is the same as his real age this time.

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Actually, Jisoo is playing someone who is 29 and he is 23 (24 Korean age). That's why I'm excited to see how he will fare in his first adult role, playing someone older than his age. ^^

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He was on Doctors briefly and his character was both a teen along with PSH and later reappeared as about 30 something delivery guy with a bike. He definitely pulled off the adult role VERY well. It made me think he really was that old and I had to stop and check he is young 20s.

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Since I am extremely biased towards Kim Hyun Joo, so I am looking forward to her story more. But I am looking forward for Park Shin Yeon's story also therefore it is safe to say I am curious to everyone's stories LOL.

What I love about jTBC drama because they tend to have different kind of female leads compared to other stations especially this year. It is exciting to see a strong and badass female leads instead of damsel in distress heroine.

Err except top Madam Antoinette, it supposedly has interesting storyline but it was poorly written, I guess.

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I liked Kim Hyun Joo in Fantastic well enough to start watching I Have A Lover while waiting for the next episodes of Fantastic to air, LOL. I'm still on episode 1 so who knows how long I'll last.

I'm also watching Age of Youth now, too. I'm still on episode 6 but so far the characters seem interesting. Hwayoung's character's my favorite so far.

Yup, I've noticed JTBC tends to have strong female leads like Mr. Temper in your username. I really liked that drama and its underdog story. It somewhat reminded me of Miss Korea, which is another underrated gem of a show.

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Lee Jun-ki is the reason I can't give up either, he's the one actor whose dramas I cannot drop even if they disappoint me.

I really hope SBS/the Scarlet Heart production has actually realised that if they have an editing problem in episodes 1-3, they probably have them in all the other episodes too and that stuff needs to be fixed wherever possible - BEFORE airing! I haven't been able to watch the re-edited episodes, but I heard they'd actually inserted new scenes featuring So and Hae Su - I don't know whether to be thankful they're trying to fix something, or mad that they had this at their disposal in the first place and chose not to use it.

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lmao Scholar comments mk. II.

(though I will miss cali's Vampire Idol-laced commentary)

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Where are the re-edited versions and are they being subbed?

I simply can't get over the fact that this is a pre-produced drama, yet they couldn't even do it right. Knowing that all eyes would be on this drama, why didn't the director edit it himself? Did he just give it to some random assistant w/o overseeing or approving the edits himself? They should've given this drama to a director w/ sageuk experience.

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I can't find subs :(

I'm still shocked by how bad the editing and OSTs are. Kim Kyu-tae has been a close-up fiend for over a decade now, but this is some drunk monkey editing right here. He wasn't so sloppy during That Winter.

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@ Hye Mi

Lol, true but he did a good job w/ It's Ok, This is Love, at least what I saw of it since I stopped halfway. I didn't even mind the upbeat music in contrast to the seriousness of what was happening.

But the music (except for the instrumental) in Moon Lovers is awful. It's a sageuk and he's using some modern pop music, which just kills the mood. I can't help but compare it to the directing, editing, acting, story/character development and music over at Moonlight, which are all well done and seamlessly combined.

Hopefully the team at Moon Lovers learned from the first 3 botched episodes and have gone back to fix the rest of the episodes.

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@news:
I know, actually I was talking about him in SH only :P. I watched IOIL and agree with you wholeheartedly that his closeups weren't that jarring there because I didn't even notice them lol.

Usually I'm not one to notice flaws in directing and camera work but this time it's so blatant with the stage play/ soap opera feel (those flat scenes where all the princes gathered in the astronomer's tower and stand/ sit in a line and took turn to deliver their line) and zoom-ins and closeups that an amateur like me couldn't help but notice it. I can't deny that he's really good at doing long shots though.

I've started to wonder whether his methods don't work very well for sageuks? Because the shots where HaeSoo was still in the present days weren't that bad, at least to me.

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Lol, I was so second hand embarrassed for the actors in that scene (including the bath scene), I fast forwarded all scenes that don't have LJK in it, lol.

Yes, I don't think his style of directing suits sageuks. That was my first thought when I watched ep 1-3, but I really hope to be wrong! His cinematography is good (if he doesn't overuse the close-ups), but I've seen better action choreography and cinematography in action-related scenes.

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I'm also a bit confuzzled about these re-edited Director's cuts... Wasn't that part of the job for pre-producing this series? Which cut did we see then?? LOL

I saw the re-edited versions on SBS site today. Looks like they added extra scenes and re-arrange the order of some scenes and deleted some scenes entirely. I'm iffy about this... I didn't mind watching the extra So-Su scene, but that was at the cost of the Baek Ah-Jung playful scene outside the palace, which totally got chopped... I love LJG and wanna see more of So. But I also love Jisoo-NJH and thought there isn't really much happening with the other princes so far. They might as well be the backdrop. So, I wanted scenes like those playful hyung-dongsaeng moments to give us more insight into the various brothers' relationships with each other. I just hope we get all the good scenes from now on so I don't keep wondering what got left on the editing floor, and all the "could've been's" that we don't even get to see cuz it's their footage bank.

The music is jarring as well. As someone pointed out, the instrumental are excellent, but the modern melodies just don't work with sageuk. I don't know if this can be improved if all the OSTs have already been selected, recorded, and incorporated in the drama.

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@news: Yeah, that's what exactly what I felt watching those scenes too. I'd say ep 3 did it for me in making the decision to stick to the show b/c plot-wise I find it interesting and the three leads are either good or not jarring, so I'm fine by that. However, I wouldn't want to re-watch ep 1 &2 because I can't bring myself to go through those feelings again, lol, even though I read in some forums that in the editor's cut version they have got rid of those 'Hyung, try touch this muscle here' moments.

Re. the director: I've made this comment somewhere else that this director's forte is in doing long shots but for some unfathomable reason he decided to dwell into his shortcomings (extreme closeups) in this adaptation. Someone really needs to tell him how awesome his panoramic scenes are so he can relax on those extreme closeups a bit. Through all those scenes I keep getting the impression that I'm actually standing there in the drama about to kiss these actors and actresses every few seconds. lol

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I was one of those who got turned off by the combination of subpar acting and weird post-prod choices, but I'm willing to give Scarlet Heart another chance to wow me with the re-edited episodes. Good editing can elevate mediocre acting, and I hope this happens for this show.

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In this case it's more like horrible editing doing its best to bring down even good acting, and potentially-good acting being ruined by the combination of bad directorial choices and editing.

If SBS has any sense at all, they will not let the re-edits cease at episode 3 - they better be going over 4 and 5 as we speak, and then the rest after that.

That said, episode 3 was a lot better than 1 and 2, so I will hold on to my slim hope that things will keep getting better.

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Yeah, SBS/the SH production team should definitely take a long, hard look at the entire show. IMO there's still a considerable gap between LJK and KHN, and IU (and the other princes) acting-wise, but it's a gap that can be bridged by good editing and mood-setting. I was surprised by the overall clumsy feel of the first two episodes because that's something that shouldn't happen in a fully pre-produced drama.

Still, I'm rooting for the drama to at least be a modest success because I love LJK and KHN, and I want their projects to be successful.

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LJK and KHN are the best things about this drama. I would've dropped it immediately if it wasn't for LJK.

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I just remembered Lee Jun-ki and Kang Haneul were both in Two Weeks (KHN had a cameo through a screen) - I hope that now they're finally together as first and second lead, things work out better than they have so far.

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I want LJK and KHN hard works paid off at least with modest success in Korea. If these two are not here, I don't think I'll be watching.

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I think the cinematography is just off. The close up zooms and somewhat-shaky cam are things done when filming. It's not editing. I don't think it's fixable. I think the picture quality is also wonky - Dramabeans talked about this in another thread.

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my commant maybe quiete off about ML but I reallu like KHN there, and I really want him to get recognition for his good work, I mean the mainstream success.

I loved ML Ost, it's on my playlist (except the IOI one) but it doesn't fit the drama.
When they used it at the end of ep 2, I legitly thought they try to ship LJK and KHN ...

I hope it become better cause they seems to have it every time I watched the trailer,
It feels weird to have pre-produced drama getting another editing since the point of pre-produced is not to edit it based on viewer feedback who they thought mostly bias, here I think the team probably underestimated their viewer.

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Assuming that the massive budget meant SBS would actually work harder on the fixable elements of this drama itself and not just the promotion, was apparently a mistake.

I really hope things pick up - the response in China may be great but re: the ratings, I feel bad for the cast, though the small mercy of pre-production is that they are done with their work and don't have to be on the set with such gloom hanging over them.

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@pogo

I'm going to disagree with you slightly. Yes, the post production is not good. But its not sheer awful either. The first time I watched it, I found some issues but as people started commenting more and more, i started seeing problems I missed and then problems that didn't even exist. I went overboard to such an extent that even my sister who is studying film making said that I am over analysing every frame.

So it sort of becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. There are problems - You focus too much on them - and those problems appear even bigger. So i'm going to not dwell too much and just enjoy the ride.

I guess if I see the show in totality, I'm enjoying it. LJK and KHN combined take up like 80% of the screen time and those 2 are selling the show fantastically. So even if they don't fix the issues (and that might be a reality bec DF and other licensed sites have already subbed the whole series), I can live with that. It can be better of course, but i can live with this version too.

I can't wait for mondays. The bigger picture is interesting. The sum total of the parts is working for me. As long as it entertaining and holds my interest, I think i'm good with that.

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I suppose it's not completely awful in the sense that at least there are no visible boom mics and an entire episode makes it to our screens with no apparent scenes missing or someone not yet in costume.

But I'm not particularly observant when it comes to post-production issues (I didn't even notice the extent of the PD's close-up use in That Winter). And if even I can be thrown out of a moment by the repeated and apparently deliberate use of jarring soundtracks/bgm, or poor choices when it comes to how to frame a shot, I think that's fair indication there are definitely issues that interfere with the viewing experience. And enough viewers have reported this, that I know it's not just me.

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No No, I didn't mean that its just you. There are of course issues. Its pretty obvious there are. I just meant lets not dwell too much on it and enjoy the ride till we can. It could have been epic but i can settle for good. If it becomes unbearable, there is Hwarang on the horizon. Dramaland is spoiling us this year with all the pretty.

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@bips99 - don't get me wrong, I do not mean to say this drama is unwatchable - a lot of us are indeed watching. My issue is that the shoddy post-production and poor directorial choices are bringing down what could have been a really good show and a serious ratings contender.

Forgive the baking similie since I've been watching cooking shows lately, but the effect of the OSTs, zooms etc is like baking a good cake and then covering it in icing made with a spoonful of ashes right before serving. Everyone's going to notice the bad icing, even if the cake itself is all right once you scrape that #$%@ off.

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@pogo

I'm sorry but you lost me at cooking shows. The only thing i can "cook" is toast and Ramyeon (btw, put ramyeon on a generously buttered toast and its heavenly!!!)

... ummmm... where was I ... ya, Can't cook but subscribe to every single cooking channel. I can't eat it, i can't smell it, I certainly cant make it - but i cannot look away. Whats this voodoo?

So ... back to the topic. like you and @news said below, i agree with everything you both said. Its just i have made my peace with it. Thats it :)

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^^ This!!

Exactly how I feel about the show, and the criticism it has been getting from all corners.

The OSTs and editing could have been better, should've been better given that this is 100% pre-produced. They had time and resources to get this right, so it's a shame that it didn't happen.

However, the show in totality isn't half as bad. In fact, I'm rather enjoying it. The story has me interested, and while I'm not all aboard yet, I'm close. There have been top-rated shows this year which has wafer-thin storylines IMO, but I'd rather watch a show with a story to tell.

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@ bips99

I understand your point of view, but I respectfully disagree. One of the advantages of pre-producing is to utilize the long lead time for better and higher quality post-production work. In this case, it's not even that the more you focus on the problems (editing, music, acting, etc), the bigger they become. People criticize those issues because they're blatantly bad for a drama that's pre-produced. If it wasn't, I think people would be more forgiving.

As pogo said, it does affect the viewing experience. Thankfully for all the criticisms, the director and post-production team are re-editing their episodes, which I hope includes future episodes. They should be held accountable for the careless botched job. Not only did they underestimate the public's intelligence (what? like we can't see the problems if you throw six packs at us), but they also did a disservice to the actors and everyone who worked so hard on this drama.

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>>People criticize those issues because they’re blatantly bad for a drama that’s pre-produced <<

I don't even think about pre produces at 1st but the issue is so obvious and jarring that make me wonder
"isn't this pre produced?"
the opposite happen to me

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Recently I'm always a bit confilcted when I see the post on ratings for the week. Because it feels like the report card for the dramas are out and it's time to see who passed or failed.

And somehow it makes it a more competitive and aggressive environment and takes some of the fun out of drama watching. A show with high ratings usually will have detractors and a show with low ratings usually will have supporters. And depending on how vocal and aggressive people are in defending their favourite, things may or may not get nasty. Which really ruins the whole point of drama watching- which is for enjoyment, making friends, spreading of Korean culture, squeeing over Oppa... etc etc!

I get the reason why DB does these posts- it is interesting to see how the Korean audience reacts to shows and give shows doing well the credit they deserve.
I'm guess I'm one of the few that doesn't really get too bothered by ratings as long as the show I'm watching doesn't get cut or affected because I don't really see the need to cry/curse over bad ratings or crow over good ones. Everyone has different tastes and I respect that and think it's more fun that way anyway.

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We the viewers are not affecting with the rating, but sadly the actors will be affected. But I kind of agree that the post of ratings is like report card. Honestly I care a bit about the rating especially my favorite shows. The high rating still be a measurement to the success of drama in Korea, and we even knowing that the rating won't represent quality of the drama, cannot deny completely about the rating.

High rating - success, more money for the actors (CFs), platform for better future and so on.I just wish the TV rating is not the only factor taken into consideration in measuring the success of the drama.

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Yeah I know why they exist and I obviously want the shows I like to do well but I really don't like how the ratings have become a point of contention for a lot of people. Maybe not so much for this site but yeah... just been annoying me a bit...

I mean I just don't understand why we can't just say why we don't like a show and not make it personal... or for people not to take it personally...

Sadly there isn't an accurate way to measure a drama's popularity so I just hope that maybe the stations will somehow learn to not meddle with dramas regardless of local ratings. And somehow look at the online response as well. Ah well. Idealistic goals.

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I agree and got what you meant. Honestly I still found DB is the only site where the discussion is still civilized. Just nowadays the discussion got too heated especially when it comes to hallyu stars / high rated drama.

What made me perplexed is, how comments can be considered as bashful. Like if we say this actor not good in acting, emotionless , the drama is boring etc, is it consider bashing? I don't think it is. If all of us back to the basis, we agree to diagree and none of us take the ctitics whatsoever into heart, it will be better.

And I totally agree on your last para. How I wish TV station will not cut the episodes especially the short ones like 16 episodes simply because the low rating. We all know local rating is very important for their profit, but I wish they still have a little respect to the writer / production / actors and international audiences too. I believe Koreans still watching a low rated drama since there are many online resources.

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I think the rating wars was more towards beautiful mind-doctors and uncontrollably fond-w two worlds. Current shows people seem to stop doing those bashing already :)

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I think UF- W are not having a real tough war as W is not really achieved very high rating like Doctors or DOTS this year.For Wed-Thursday slot, I think the competition is quite healthy, for W even winning still not leaving the other two too far. JI probably has potential to catch up with the rating and UF I believe will continue with the more or less similar rating for finale week.

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I think UF and W cater to different audience since they are like completely different genre,
But people like competition and news will always adress everything as a çompetition.

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The competition mainly due to same timeslot, regardless of different genre. Rightfully it is rating competition and ppl Care less about the different genre.

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I hold the media and the broadcasting stations partly at fault for this, too. Just look at the way shows are pitched against one another, or each other. There is always that implication that nurtures a sense of triumph if a show is doing well rating wise, and defeat if a show is under-performing in attracting viewership. This should be for the broadcasting stations only as far as writing, directing, acting and promotion are concerned, but somehow many fans who happen to be too invested in their favourite shows take it personally and a comparison between the two shows would ignite much dreaded fan wars.

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I am currently watching 4 dramas, the three weekend, Gentleman Tailor Shop, Blow Breeze, and Our Gab Soon, and Cinderella and the Four Knights. Our Gab Soon is the most surprising drama of the four. I was thinking it would be a simple feel good drama, but they drop the XXX bomb so quickly that it shocks me so much.

Blow Breeze would be a very annoying experience because they will use the usual MBC formula...the protagonist will have a very, very, very long journey to meet her savior formula.

It always surprise me with the fact that KBS weekend dramas manage to have strong rating, although they try to reduce the makjang ingredients, with the exception that drama with Eugene (however I tried to avoid it because several people said that there are a lot of makjang).

Oh..Jung Il-woo is so dreamy in the recent episodes of Cinderella.

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Just done with today's episode of Gabsoon and I think I won't drop this. It didnt took time a long episodes before Gabdol grow up, and realized he is going to be a father.

This show just showing how money is actually a key of happiness. What I mean is money is not everything but without money, ppl cannot survive. Without money, there will be constant fightings. With money too, their love and loyalty with each other will be tested. Actually all couples in this drama has 'money issue'as a centre of their relationship and money is kind of test for them, whether they want to be money slave or not. I kinda think GS sister and brother did not married out of love, maybe more on sense of responsibility toward the kid (GS sister) and family (GS oppa) which is a pity.

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KBS weekend dramas are aired in a different time slot (at 8pm) from SBS and MBC (10pm), and therefore they do not directly compete for ratings.

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Well in my country the programming is dumbed down for viewers with an average IQ of 80, so I am glad that any Korean shows exist at all for me to watch.

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I wonder if we are both from same country? Same here haha..

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LOL agreed. I don't give a dman anymore for any drama in my country as well. Same storyline with different faces.

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Haha same here.

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well deserved for Moonlight
and seeing the little down for Cinderella make me think if that because the team thing?
I find Jiwon is weird this week, like getting upgraded but just become different person. Like Jiwon 1.0 to Jiwon S+, totally different series.
Just like other had said it because the team try to hold him back so much and now let him become better.
Hyun Min, Seo Woo and Yoon Sung are still great, cute and fun. Hyun min really shines near ha won presence.
Tbh I don't mind Ha won with Jiwon S+ but of Jiwon try to be his 1.0 version again, gaah I might choose Yoon Sung as ultimate knight and will drown to the hyun min sinking ship.

then why Park so dam is so cute?
there's something in her voice and expression that just sound so youthful and carefree, I also like her chemistry with others because it does happen when the plot demanding it.
The only reason why I thought ha won-hyun min is hardly happen beside my adoration to hyun min is park so dam and hawon that easily give the vibe to shut that door to me.

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PSD's voice sounds like chirping of birds ^^

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W still tops my list & i watched all three eps Scarlet Heart (after The Good Wife ended). I like it. Moonlight may need to wait cos i limit my intake to 3 dramas a week (the other one is Cinderella). I haven't watched Park Bo Gum's dramas yet but from the clips I've seen from Moonlight, i like the way he expresses himself in the role. And yes, he is cute ?

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love moonlight drawn by clouds!! park bo gum and yoo jung are so gooddd

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bo gummy fighting I'm happy for him.seriously W deserve higher rating the show seriously can do better.

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I wonder if LJK is just afraid to act with a really good actress. What’s wrong with him? Why does he always peak such a weak leading ladies? Is he afraid that he will not look so good with some GOOD actress? Does he just loves to read comments like: oh my poor LJK, he has to carry the entire drama? Obviously, no one in Korea is excited with him doing another saeguk. Why doesn’t he have courage to try something new? With a GOOD leading lady!

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I doubt he has control over who is starring opposite him. He prb. looks at the role and decides whether or not he likes it. The role of Wang So is nice for him to showcase his acting talents.

I feel really bad for him but maybe he'll get lucky one day?

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Shin Min-a was good and first of all he doesn't have anything to do with the casting. He may have some influence but I don't think he is the type to demand a certain actress.
Another reason is most of the time he is the first one to be cast and he doesn't know who he is going to act with.

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The thing is I think it's not LJK's fault.
I couldn't say for every single of his project. For SH, he was the one to receive the offer first, before they sent the offer to the leading lady. By the time IU accepted the offer, LJK had already said he was in, and I believe there would be consequences of some kind, such as some financial penalty for him and his agency, if he backed out of the drama when he had already agreed to sign up for it.

I really appreciate LJK's hard work. I'll just put it down to his luck to be matched with someone not in his acting league. IU has a long way to go until she can convince many people out there that she is an excellent actress, but so far her acting is not jarring to me, so I don't really mind her. There is more than 15 eps more to judge whether or not she fits the role, so right now I'm still happy to give her the benefit of the doubt.

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I can't say for every single of his projects*

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I don't believe LJK or many actors in Korea have a privilege to choose whoever his leading lady. Few probably can give opinion but the decision is still up to the production.I'm not a fan of LJK but the way you putting him down was a little too much .

But I agreed, he should do something different and not just sageuk. Maybe he loves do sageuk more than modern dramas. Need to remember as well, not every actors can choose what will be offered to him. It takes real big names who can be a very selective and picky.

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@Sera, you were wondering how a comment can be considered as bashing, well this is a good example of a bashing comment, because it's throwing shade on the actor's character.

She's effectively saying that LJK is just afraid to act with a really good actress, there's something wrong with him that he always picks weak leading ladies because he's afraid that he will not look so good with some GOOD actress, that he just loves to read comments like: oh my poor LJK, he has to carry the entire drama and that he doesn’t have courage to try something new, with a GOOD leading lady.

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Imo there not many actress who can do wonders opposed to LJK in segauks to the begin with. I wonder how they would look with Shin Se Kyung.

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i dont think its up to him, the casting people and director chooses who to cast. but im always dissapointed with his lead actress, i wish he could have a lead actress with the same excellent acting capabilities like him. and i do want him to do some modern drama's as well

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I don't think that's a fair thing to say about LJK.

I am not his fan. In fact, he hasn't impressed me yet and while I think he looks cool in Moon Lovers, he is overacting somewhat.

I am not sure if he gets to choose his co-stars but I think the problem lies in his choice of role. His fans always praise him for his looks and for being the best actor for saeguk. I wonder if it had some influence over him doing one saeguk after another. Projects like SWWTN and Moon Lovers are dramas which dish out a lot of fanservice. Dramas like this tend to cast based on popularity rather than acting chops. So the chances of him ending up with a good actress are slim.

I hope he does a modern drama next. Forget about cool and dashing characters. Take on a role which everyone will least expect. That's one trait of a really good actor.

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SWWTN - all actors performed well and not due to their popularity. In fact I believe none of them are really popular like the casts in ML but they did have certain followers. That drama basically had a very bad writing and the acting actually saved it. If comparing SWWTN and ML honestly I feel actors in SWWTN were better.

But like everyone said and I believe most of his fans really wanted him to do other genre, other than sageuk. Doing a romcom probably a good change of wind for him.

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I found it hard to watch Lee Yu Bi in SWWTN. It could be that her role was terribly written too. When I was watching SWWTN, it felt as if Yang Sun was the embodiment of all fangirls, swooning over oppa.

I agree heartily that Jun Ki should try romcom. He had been so intense in both SWWTN and Moon Lovers and often he's the only one in a scene doing all the heavy emoting.

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Ahh yes. I ff LYB's scenes actually. It was mostly on how her character was written and I just cannot stand her being the clueless most of times.

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The part when you mentioned him being influenced by his fans and wanting to look cool is something I couldn't agree with.

Yes, of course the fans would praise him for whatever his performances and his looks, even some not looking cool would also be raved about because that is what most fans do.

But LJK is far from being obnoxious to the extend that he wants to look good all the time. Those persona about looking cool as he did in Running Man was just for fun only.

He is the kind of actor who takes his career seriously. If you watched his interviews, he did said that he wanted to try villainous or mad man role but he did expressed a certain discomfort when come to acting in romance drama.

If he wanted to look cool and dashing, I think he wouldn't mind to take on a role of this alpha male that delivers cheesy one-liners. And just to add to my point, why would he bother to looks dashing when he is almost entirely gorgeous all the time?

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Like many people have already pointed out that he doesn't have a say in that decision.

And even if he is influential enough to have a say (Don't know if thats the case) , I actually like that he does not. Its not his job to pick the leading actress. Its the job of the director and the casting director. And I hate actors who throw their weight around telling how other people should do their job whether its casting, directing or anything else.

As for Sagueks, no idea. Maybe he just likes them. It could be a personal preference. And his sagueks are different from each other. I have never felt that he copy pasted his performance from one to the other.

Though I would love to see him in modern drama. I loved him in two weeks. In fact he should play a dad bec the highlight of two weeks was the dad-daughter scenes. He was just fabulous in them

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I just read an interview where he talked about why he does sageuks. Basically he said because he has the skills (martial arts, traditional dancing, etc) that lend themselves to sageuks and he wants to utilize his strengths. And he wants to use these skills that require his body while he still can.

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Answers like this actually make me sad because it reminds me about how short an actor's prime time can be. And LJK is only in his 30s.
I can't believe it's been years since I first watched his 'King and the Clown'. I hope he will continue to be the lead actor for many more years.

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He comes across as very self aware. Maybe he should do an modern action show. But i can;t think of any besides IRIS and that was like a decade ago. Are there honestly no good action modern dramas around? How is action a neglected genre? Its supposed to be a money spinner

.... Actresses have it worse. hit 35 and suddenly most of the good roles disappear. We have 40-45 year old actors pairing with 20ish actresses.

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Iris was followed by Iris2 and Athena but they tanked :(

I think there are still action-y shows in cable though. Mostly OCN.

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I think because of the time & effort it often requires to do action dramas. Not every actors are great at martial arts so doing close shots featuring their face would take more time even if they may hire stuntmen or stuntwomen to do faraway shots. I'd love it if they'd do something like a modern sequel to Iljimae. I wouldn't object it either if they decide to go wild with their imagination and do a time-travelling drama with LJK as Iljimae time-travelling to the present time and messing things up with his stealing skills and a bad*ss cop on his heels trying to catch him or right his wrong.

Re. actresses' prime time, yeah, it saddens me too. I remember reading somewhere when watching 'Lucky Romance' where someone commented that HJE is ajumma now so she should retire from romance dramas. I know I can't go generalising from one single comment but it's just bitter that an actress's age does matter to some viewers to the point that they think that factor should dictate whether or not the actress should be cast for lead roles in romance dramas with younger actors.

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its interesting though how action movies no matter how crappy are guaranteed to get good returns ... but no one wants to touch an action drama with a ten foot pole.

good point about close ups, time, effort.

Does anyone remember the epic 'spoon fight' of city hunter? I was laughing so much at that. Loved the show though. And even in "W" , the fight scene b.w KC and assassin in episode 4/5 (?) was so lame. And that is when LJS is a back belt.

I guess its too taxing to shoot action scenes. So LJK gets his satisfaction from sagueks only!

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Yes Yes Yes I noticed that scene in W too. I mean everything looks so staged it's like watching a fake slo-mo. I mostly cringed through it tbh.

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Does Lee Jun-ki choreograph his own fights though? I know Jang Hyuk was very involved in the martial arts sequences in Chuno, doing a lot of things himself, and I remember being very impressed by the standard of fight choreography in that drama. It was closer to the stuff I was used in HK dramas and films, so it left a deep impression. So I'm curious if Lee Jun-ki is also as involved when it comes to his own action stunts.

I wonder though if the action genre is not as popular in Korea (drama-wise, perhaps) because it doesn't quite have that sort of martial arts culture Hong Kong has.

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I am hardly impressed with the kdrama's martial arts and fight scenes in general. Guess the choreography is the problem. Chinese and Hong Kong shows are the ones who do the best in such genre.

Most kdrama actors aren't very convincing in fight scenes including the recent one I saw of Lee Jong Suk in W. One actor who made a strong impression on me was Kim Moo Yeol in My Beautiful Bride. I have no idea what's his background but I thought he was really good. Is it necessary to have formal training in martial arts to look good in such scenes? Or is it acting?

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Does LJK even get to pick his leading lady? If you even ever noticed, he was the first actor casted for Scarlet. The same with Joseon Gunman, he was confirmed before the production team even secured the leading actress. When IU was named as the leading lady of Scarlet, he himself was slightly skeptical having to work with an idol turned actress. He was never that obnoxious that he will have a problem of working with an actress with similar acting ability. And I guess the reason why he is always casted in saeguks is because of his experience but I agree that maybe it is high time that he steps out to do a modern drama, not that people are tired of seeing him in saeguks.

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W is doing great online even in korea. This week also W videos were top downloaded video out of all shows (Mon-Sun) each and every shows.

If one consider the genre thn also it is doing great.. It is no.1 show in its slot and I hope it maintains its position till the last episode.

I am loving W and it is still my favourite show

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Rating is what they remember after years later...
They are doing fine but if you compared with Moonlight as their jumps, W is far behind

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I don't worry about Our Gab Soon ratings, it will increase so fast from ep 10 or 20.
Get boring of first ep 'Fantastic'. Why they don't make Age Of Youth longer? And why Kim Hyun Joo turn down 'Wanted' to do this? Hairstyles of KHJ and Joo Sang Wook so terrible. JSW looks so old in this drama (and fat). So much disappointed.
Super suprised when Monster contine to get 10%, even higher than Moon Lovers.

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I think Kim Hyun Joo turned down Wanted because she had other activity during that time (if I'm not mistaken her charity works or something like that). She probably wanted to do a light weight role after had a heavy role in I Have A Lover. About those two appearances, we all having our own preferences. But I don't have a problem with their hair styles.What more important, the drama and the acting.

Monster already aired before Moon Lovers so it made sense about its rating and established its followers and the writer himself has his own reputation and followers in Korea.

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Sometimes if I am in the mood for drama and there's one super popular, dominating the rating drama I would resent it, that's why I never watched DOTS, watched YWCFS half a year after it finished, the only hyped drama I watched when it was airing and loved was Pinnochio, sometimes when there's too much talk about drama I just don't want to be a part of it, next thing is if my fave actors are a part of the cast, male cast I mean, I started W recently, it was impressive at the beginning, but after intensive and nice start, Kang Chul taking his life after realization that everything was a set up it lost some of it's charm with some stupid turns and ideas and now it's only Kang Chul keeping it afloat

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park + kim = high rating

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Haha makes sense. Park shin hye and Kim Rae won before and now park bo gum and Kim yoojung Jung.

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I haven't watched any sageuk drama before and I'm finding some things in Moonlight a bit confusing. In that sense Scarlet Heart is easier for me to palate. The ratings for Scarlet Heart do confuse me though, the first episode got nearly an entire two percent lower rating than the first even though they were played back to back, I find that odd.

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I read recaps for Scarlet Heart's first 2 episodes then watched the third. And I liked it a lot, even if Jisoo and the shortest prince was indeed jarring. Anyone think that thefe was a mad scramble at SBS the whole of Tuesday to get the most edits that can be done in a day? I wouldn't know because I don't have anything to compare with.

Here's to hoping that the next episodes will be better!!

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I was very surprised by Moonlight's jump as well. But I am thoroughly enjoying this drama and I'm glad that it's doing so well.

At the same time, I didn't expect the lower numbers for Moon Lovers. I suppose the first few ep's of set-up might not maintain some viewers' attention with the slow-moving plot, all the character intros, and historical background. I hope people will give this show a chance though and check out the upcoming ep's. I know Moonlight is an easier, less confusing watch in comparison, but I'm rooting for both productions. ^^

W doing well doesn't surprise me and hope it continues to cinch the top spot.

Really happy that Fantastic did well for week 1 and looks like Cinderella is doing well, too.

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Moonlight Drawn By Clouds is my Monday guilty pleasurei also enjoy oonLovers,love the cast a lot,Lee JunKi is amazing as always and unlike knet i love Iu,i don't have any problem with her acting...Kinda wanted bring It On Ghost to get better numbers,the story and acting were great...
By the way minor off topic,what is the corect name for Moonlight Drawn By Clouds,see KBS promote the drama as Love in The Moonlight or other titkles,what is the real one,i know i'm weird but i always want to stick with the original one when saving the shows etc,what is the answer?

W deserves way better raings than what it gets,such an amazing show DESERVES MORE!!!

D on't know if the ratings Cinderella and the Four Knights are good for the time slot they have but i'm happy they are able to pull of them...The story is light and fluffy ,it's not bad to have something sweet from time to time

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Cnderella is doing well, because of time slot. Considering that many stations refused to take this drama, I hope the team will be a little happy with the rating. 3% on the cable is good enough. Originally I thought it will achieve 2% at the most ( since many refused to take it, I guess the plot is terrible). Thankfully it is performing well. Sweet & fluffy story like this, if it is executed well, will be a good drama too.

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You know, I'm not quite sure why Jung Il Woo took this role. He is such a great comic actor, good actor all round actually, whose looks I didn't like at first but I came round. I will never forget Cha Chi Soo in Ramyan Shop or his recent role in that short series. I like Cinderella but it is very much like an after-school special, so why isn't Jung Il Woo advancing in his career taking more adult roles? I don't get it. Maybe he's not as popular as I would expect him to be?

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Sadly I also think he doesn't get many offers to consider with. That's why he was even did that boring webdrama. Cinderella probably was a better choice than doing any webdrama again.

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For those who are looking Moon Lovers Ep 1-3 Director's Cut, the torrent magnet link is available at twitter user, @boxgame3

You're welcome :)

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Thanks. But is it subbed?

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Dear Dramabeans/Moderator,

Read comment no. 16 above, and the adjectives used to describe the actor seem to be in nature of bashing the actor's character.

Could the moderator kindly consider deleting the comment? Even though the replies to the comment are very mature, the original comment can be considered as rather unpleasant.

Thank you.

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why is no one talking about W again. I guess the show has become boring

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It's about the ratings.
And now we have more new dramas with doubtful competitive ratings to discuss here.

W is no way boring.
How could it be?

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The reaction isn't the same anymore...

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