Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 3
by javabeans
The story heats up and there’s a lot more of everything in Episode 3—more blood, more intrigue, more confused feelings, and more all-around action. The intensity gets dialed up a notch, too, with tension built into many of the interactions today. And while I still find my interest mostly in the main three characters, I’m ready now to enjoy branching off with the lesser princes and side relationships too. I know the bromance is fanservice, but isn’t the definition of fanservice that I don’t care about that?
EPISODE 3 RECAP
Following the assassination attempt at the palace and the chase through the forest, fourth prince Wang So faces off against his half-brother (and eighth prince) Wook, holding Hae Su in a threatening grip—she caused him to miss out on vital information about the assassins, and he’s furious.
Wook keeps his cool and says that Su has nothing to do with this matter. She asks So to believe that she merely lost her way, but he says darkly that he has no reason to, since he doesn’t know her.
Wook slowly drops his sword to the ground, and reasons that they can find proof of Su’s guilt once the soldiers arrive. Until they do, Wook asks So to let her go.
So grudgingly lowers his sword and shoves Su aside, and she hurries to Wook’s side. Wook asks in concern whether she’s okay.
Su stammers that people were killed nearby, and that they were dressed like the dead assassin, wearing similar demon costumes. The princes exchange alarmed looks.
At the palace, Crown Prince Mu is feeling regret, thinking that he shouldn’t have had So take his place in the ceremony. Astronomer Choi tells him that So took this opportunity for himself, so it’s not something Mu should feel guilty about. But Mu replies that using his younger brother’s desperation for his own benefit is a sin. Aw, I like you. You seem nice.
In the forest, So and Wook lead soldiers to the spot where Su saw the assassins die—only, now the area’s empty. So asks suspiciously how dead bodies could have disappeared and demands answers of Su that she doesn’t have, such as who the culprit was. At least Wook finds clues in the surroundings—blood spatters and sword cuts—and he deduces that the same person who mobilized the assassins also killed them.
Now So turns his frustration on Wook for killing their last witness, although Wook holds firm and says he couldn’t let harm come to Su. He suggests taking care of So’s injured arm, but So flings off his hand, shoots a dark glance at Su, and stalks off.
Su slumps to the ground, sapped of energy, and then starts to cry. Wook looks increasingly uncomfortable at her tears, while she sobs that So is always threatening to kill her when all she wanted to do was return what he dropped (the hairpin he’d bought his mother).
Wook offers a meager pat on the shoulder, but Su hilariously yanks him down by the cloak, worrying what will happen to her. Wook finds her cute in that moment and holds her closer, soothingly.
The scheming Queen Sinmyeongsunseong fumes in her bath, thinking of her failed plot to get rid of Crown Prince Mu. She blames So for ruining everything, and tells her son, third prince Yo, that he was supposed to be named crown prince today.
Yo informs his mother that he took care of the loose ends, and that none of the conspirators are alive. The queen says that at least King Taejo won’t be attempting any abdications for the near future; she’ll find some satisfaction in that.
Yo suspects that Astronomer Choi has a hand in this, and possibly has a hidden connection to So. The queen realizes So was indeed learning martial arts, but is puzzled as to how—it’s not something his adopted family, the Kang clan, would have enabled.
The queen declares that they must find out who So has been meeting, and thinks that if Astronomer Choi is involved, so might be the king. Yo says that their spy in Shinju has reported that nobody ever came to see So.
The queen advises Yo to be even more vigilant, so that they can uncover So’s motivations—then they’ll be able to get rid of him, or make him loyal to their side. “Do not forget,” she tells Yo. “Goryeo must belong to my son.” (But So is your son too…)
Back at Wook’s home, So regards the gash in his arm, and flinches when Princess Yeonhwa starts to tend to it, despite his initial protest. She asks when he’ll leave Shinju and come live in the capital like the other princes. Despite the fact that this is exactly what he’s fighting to do at the moment, So replies that he’s not like the others, and that he’s comfortable living his life fighting mountain animals.
Princess Yeonhwa smiles, saying that he’s gotten better at hiding his true feelings. She’s got him there.
Then she leans closer to wipe his face gently, and he tenses. There’s definitely something here, and I get the sense that the interest is greater on her end, though he doesn’t exactly refuse it. (Meanwhile, I have to tell myself, Historical accuracy, blah blah blah, since she’s his half-sister and all. Also the mother of his children! Maybe I’ll pretend there’s a convenient birth secret involved that history never knew about.)
So abruptly stands up, calling an end to their momentary closeness. But he does tell her, “I did wonder what kind of woman you grew up to be.”
Su’s neck cut from the assassin’s sword has Lady Hae newly worried, and she asks why Su went into the forest in the first place. Wook surreptitiously shakes his head at Su, so she just says she lost her way. Wook says that the assassin had been out for Crown Prince Mu’s life, so they should just be glad that Su is safe, and Su agrees wholeheartedly, declaring herself exceedingly lucky. She goes so cutely overboard that Wook can’t hide a smile.
After sending Su off to rest, Lady Hae thanks her husband for his help, apologizing for always adding to his burdens. Wook assures his wife that he’s never thought of Su as a burden, even adding that he finds her delightful.
That wording takes her aback, but he explains that theirs is a serious, heavy household, and people are always telling him of their troubles. “But Su is not like that,” he says. “She struggles to do everything on her own strength, and I find that appearance delightful. I feel like I can breathe. And it makes me look forward to seeing her.”
He seems so pleased that Lady Hae is startled, but all she can do is force a smile and say that she’s thankful that he cares for Su.
On her way back to her room, Su freezes to see So sitting out in the courtyard, then tries to hurry past him. He orders her to stop, then shoots one look at the maid to get her to leave them alone.
Su starts to blabber nervously, insisting that she didn’t see anything else in the woods, and that she already told him everything. So advances on her slowly, grabbing her face and ordering her to remember more.
Wook steps in shoves So’s hand away from Su with difficulty, but as Su falls back, she remembers one more detail: The assassins’ leader was wearing fur.
Instantly, So recalls that Yo had worn fur during the ritual ceremony, and it looks like Wook comes to the same conclusion. So orders her to erase what she saw in the woods, and Wook concurs, for her own safety.
Su excuses herself with a surly look at So, but he stops her departure to warns her not to show herself before him again.
At that, Su faces him and asks, “What did I do wrong?” With growing indignation, she points out that he’s the one who threatened to kill her: “Am I supposed to just do nothing? I should do whatever I can to live, and you’re telling me to die like a dog?”
She calls after him, “Is it a crime to want to live?” So clenches his jaw, but leaves without a word. Su watches him go, then blurts, “That jerk!” Ha.
Wook sees Su to her room and advises her to sleep with the candles lit, in case her ordeal gives her nightmares. She asks after his condition, since he killed someone because of her; she worries that he might suffer post-traumatic stress or nightmares.
Wook is surprised that she’d ask, and tells her that it wouldn’t do for him to struggle after every time this happened. She gapes, asking if he’s killed before, then cuts herself off at hearing the tactless question. He answers anyway, explaining that he was eleven when he first took a life, protecting his mother and sister.
“But I didn’t have nightmares,” he says. “I protected my family with my own hands, which made me happy. I was proud.” Tellingly, he almost struggles to say the words, even as he adds that a prince ought to be able to handle that much.
“But you keep remembering,” Su says. “You can’t forget, so how can the heart be easy? It’s obvious you’re suppressing it.”
He calls that a weight he must endure. Brightening, Su tells him she won’t be clingy, so he needn’t worry—she won’t add to his burden, so he can live a little more lightly. She says cheerfully, “So you don’t have to worry about me! I can take care of myself.”
He laughs that in place of her lost memory, she’s found blustery overconfidence. Wook also tries to sound out the strange word she’d used, asking what “stress” is. Heh, another word slip.
King Taejo discusses the attempted assassination with So, Crown Prince Mu, and his astronomer. The bold act suggests a mighty power, and their next step is to find clues that may lead them to the culprit.
The king asks So after his injury, and it’s rather heartbreaking to see how startled So is at the small show of concern. He replies that it was not serious, and he tended to it.
The king asks why So would take Mu’s place in the ceremony, risking his own life. So answers that fifteen years ago, Mu saved his life—so now, he intends to stay in the city while ferreting out the perpetrator.
The king gives his approval, and instructs Astronomer Choi to inform the Shinju family that So’s return will be delayed. It takes a lot for So to tamp down his happy reaction, but it’s there, just a flicker of it. Yay!
The princes gather again, and talk turns to So’s unexpected martial arts skills. Third prince Yo scoffs that he must have picked it up from battling wild animals, but fourteenth prince Jung thinks that his level of skill indicates proper teaching. Yo counters that So’s adoptive family would never have allowed it when they’re essentially holding him hostage—he’s important politically as a prince, but they’d hardly encourage empowering him when they’d rather have him under their thumb.
Wook asks Yo if he chased any of the culprits last night, watching carefully as Yo replies that he did, but took the wrong path. Both princes are careful with their words as Wook searches for any slips and Yo makes sure he doesn’t make any.
The king happens by and stops to greet his sons, but frowns to see the bruise on tenth prince Eun’s face. When Eun nervously mentions a fight, the king is outraged—who would dare lay a hand on royalty?
The next thing we know, Su is pacing anxiously at home, awaiting the king’s punishment. She alternates between imagining the worst, like getting her limbs cut off, and assuring herself that nothing bad will happen.
Eun comes galloping in, chipper as can be, and announces that his father took one look at his face and ordered the offender flogged. Su narrows her eyes, supposing he left out all mention of his own wrongdoing, and he retorts that he’s not so small-minded as that. He explains how he finagled forgiveness out of the king—by asking how if a girl who hit a prince were to be punished, what happens to the prince who got hit by a girl?
I suppose it’s an effective argument in such patriarchal times, and Eun puffs up in pride at coming up with a solution. Su can only manage a sarcastic thanks and turns to leave.
Eun stops her, intent on saying something else, only to mumble and fidget, suddenly shy. Su registers his nervous posture and stalling and wonders, “Could it be… that he’s fallen for me? You’re the first woman to treat me like this, that sort of thing?”
Eun finally starts to speak, and says exactly those lines: “You’re the first woman to treat me like that.” Su marvels at the longevity of that pick-up line, HA.
Eun adds that it was the first time he was able to fight freely, since everyone always just let him hit them—it was never a proper fight. “It was fun,” he declares. Su wryly tells him to come by when he wants to fight, and he asks excitedly if that means he can visit whenever he wants. She retorts that it’s the least she can do, and he calls after her, “Today’s our first day!” Ha, some things never change.
In the city, thirteenth prince Baek-ah draws scenes of the city from a tavern, then hears a commotion as people run to watch a fight. Not one to miss out, he heads over to get a look.
Baek-ah stands at the edge of the crowd drawing while two men fight, and the younger fighter whirls and kicks with skill, knocking out his older opponent. Aha, it’s Prince Jung, and he roars in victory… just as the two brothers lock eyes.
Jung’s not supposed to be out of the palace in street garb (or fighting, at that) and pesters Baek-ah to let this go, making ineffectual grabs for the sketchbook containing pictures of his fight. He tries bargaining first, and then switches to threats of exposing Baek-ah too.
Baek-ah argues that his trip is approved, then kicks Jung away. Jung fakes grave pain to draw his brother closer, then runs off floating with Baek-ah’s sketchbook.
Baek-ah pays a visit to Lady Hae, and they reminisce on the good old days, having been quite close. Baek-ah says he blames Wook for not giving his wife more of his heart, while Lady Hae chides him for his familiar address (he uses a term meaning noona). He counters that he knew her as noona before she became his sister-in-law.
Baek-ah sees Su across the yard, where she’s practicing her best sageuk speech. Okay, that’s cute. They laugh, and Baek-ah notes how completely Su has changed.
Lady Hae agrees, though she’s pleased with how much more thoughtful Su is lately. Baek-ah balks when Lady Hae says he and Su are similar, but she explains that they’re both free at heart, say unexpected things, like fun things, and hate to lose.
She adds that Baek-ah’s real noona is Su, not herself. He tells her not to say that, his tone turning slightly serious as he adds, “You know how I feel about you.”
So and Crown Prince Mu start their investigation with an examination of the dead assassin corpses. They find something alarming in one mouth and confirm that the rest are the same: The tongues have been cut out.
They can’t imagine who would cut out their own tongue as a show of fealty, and mull over the mystery. Then Astronomer Choi speculates that it’s possible that the assassins hadn’t cut out their tongues for this purpose, but were already lacking them.
Apparently, there are renounced monks who get their tongues cut out for their sin, and as Choi explains this, So envisions Yo carrying it out.
There aren’t people who could harbor so many denounced monks without drawing notice, and Mu orders Astronomer Choi to look into who donated to temples.
The next thing we know, So is charging at Yo and accusing him of being the mastermind. Yo challenges him to show proof, and So reminds him that he killed all his assassins. Yo doesn’t betray much when he’s accused, but when So asks if their mother is behind this, his face freezes and he can’t quite pull off the indifferent act. But So seems to have his answer.
Su finds Lady Hae preparing clothing and goods to be sent along as donations to the village. Wook customarily delivers them on his own, but Su suggests that Lady Hae accompany him and take the opportunity to spend the day with him. Lady Hae has never thought to do so, but Su urges her, and offers to make her up prettily for the occasion.
As Su makes up Lady Hae’s face, she tells her of a “dream” she had where she sold cosmetics. We see that she’s talking of her modern-day life, when she worked for a cosmetics company, and Su explains that she felt important and needed when helping her friend look her best.
But then, her friend went and met her boyfriend behind her back. Su sighs about the betrayal, and how they’d stolen everything from her, and still she couldn’t manage to confront them properly about it.
Lady Hae advises her to quickly forget nightmares like that, and Su muses, “Who knows, maybe it was that side that was the bad dream.” When she finishes, she holds up the mirror, and Lady Hae is astonished at her transformation—her formerly pale, wan face looks blooming and healthy.
It’s a family affair in the village, as Su and Lady Hae join Prince Wook in the alms-giving. Su hands out treats to the children, then chases down a boy who takes one from someone else and scolds him for his behavior. She sees Wook smiling at her and waves, and without thinking he waves back, before catching himself and awkwardly swatting at the air instead. Oh, you.
A bit later, Wook joins Su at the apothecary, surprised at her familiarity with medicinal herbs. She says she’s used them to make soap that brightens and beautifies the skin and offers to make some for his wife.
He receives medicine for Lady Hae, and also a salve for Su’s cut. She does such a poor job at dressing her neck cut that Wook takes over, sitting close and brushing her hair aside.
There’s a loaded moment as they stare at each other, and another when he leans close to dab at her neck. Su grows shy and quiet, sitting there looking like she’s doing her best to contain her feelings.
Lady Hae is weak and asleep by the time they arrive home, and Wook carries her to bed while Su helps settle her in. As they smooth the blankets over her, Wook’s and Su’s hands touch—just briefly, just their pinky fingers, but it makes them freeze in awareness. Su is the first to pull back, and she quickly hurries out.
Wook finishes tucking his wife into bed and watches her sleep, but his gaze turns toward the door, after Su.
Su’s rattled at the touch, and heads to the temple to pray at Lady Hae’s tower of stones. She prays to her mother not to cry over her, because she’s doing well, and then admits, “My heart is wavering. I tell myself I shouldn’t, but… it makes me tremble.”
The next day, So find out that a group of renounced monks are hidden away at a temple hideout, and races there. Mu also makes his way with soldiers in tow, but So arrives way ahead of the rest, finding the temple atop a steep, rocky hillside.
Inside, the rundown place seems abandoned, but we’re given the sensation that there are unseen eyes on him. So closes his eyes and concentrates.
Suddenly, a man flies at him. So reacts swiftly, knocking aside the incoming dagger with his sword, whirling to avoid being impaled by a spear. He quickly cuts down the two men who come at him, but in seconds he’s surrounded by more.
So asks for their leader, and when he gets no response, wonders if there’s nobody here capable of speech. One man grunts and charges him, but So slashes his throat readily, and demands to know who’s in charge.
Then a full-scale swordfight breaks out, and So holds his own easily in a crowd of at least twenty. The scene grows bloodier and bloodier, and So displays remarkable dexterity with both the long sword and short dagger. Definitely not something you just pick up while fighting wolves. So is so brutal and efficient that in no time, the last man falls. Damn, that was like a Tarantino movie.
Bodies litter the ground, with So the last one standing. Suddenly, the doors blow off a nearby building and a monk steps out, bowing to So.
So asks if he is the one responsible here, and the monk replies that these men had their tongues ripped in punishment for their grave sins; he looked after them. So replies, “Then all I have to do is get rid of you.” The monk asks who he’s doing this for, then adds meaningfully, “Does your mother know?”
So smiles dangerously, noting that this is a place of no speech, yet there’s someone here with a lot of words. He raises his sword, hardens his face, and strikes.
The monk deflects his first blow, but So takes him down with a series of quick slashes, and then a blade through the gut. As the man gurgles, So leans in to say, “You’ve lived mooching off the queen, so die for her sake.”
He walks out and staggers away, covered in blood, while the temple burns behind him. When Mu and his soldiers arrive, the building is ablaze. Mu wonders what could have happened and orders his men to retrieve any survivors.
That night, Queen Sinmyeongsunseong awakens in bed as a figure approaches—So, carrying the sword that’s still dripping blood. She shrinks back as he steps forward out of the shadows and smiles.
COMMENTS
Okay, so all that blood and killing was a little much, but I don’t suppose I mind because I felt the energy really tick up when So went wild on those monk-assassins. I thought he’d need to keep some alive for questioning (lack of tongues notwithstanding) so I wasn’t expecting full-on slaughter, but it was cool in the way that Tarantino is cool; the deaths are somewhat stylized and mostly there to highlight how badass So is.
Then if that weren’t enough of a statement, we got that sunset moment with So strutting out of there like a mofo, with the temple burning behind him. It was a strong moment, beautifully shot, and had an edge that I really liked. I’m not actually sure I can count on the show to be that dark going forward, since it isn’t that on the whole (plus I just know Episode 4 will disappoint me just because there’s no way he kills his mother and that’s what I really want)—but I’ll take the bits of darkness when I can get ’em.
Character-wise, I was happy with today’s developments, giving us either movement or insight about several different relationships: So and Su, naturally, as well as Su and Wook, but also So and the princess (as unsettling as I find it), and young Baek-ah and his noona dynamic with Lady Hae. I can’t tell yet whether Baek-ah’s feelings are romantic or protective in a brotherly way, or maybe it’s a lot of things mixed up in one, but I’m glad for Lady Hae’s sake that someone clearly loves her and thinks that her husband should pay her more attention.
I agree with that sentiment in the sense that Wook is a decent guy (I hope?) who respects his wife and cares for her, and also because my modern sensibilities are apparently still old-fashioned in their view of monogamy and fidelity. And even if Wook isn’t too conflicted (he appears to be somewhat conflicted), it ought to be a moral dilemma for Su, whose sensibilities are as modern as mine.
Of course, then you have chemistry futzing with everything and confusing the matter, since theirs is fairly sizzling, in a way that conveys more sexual tension than, say, the hero and heroine. (Theirs is the more conventional opposites-attract, love-hate, contentions dynamic—more external fireworks, but much less repression.) Not that either is better than the other; with all these princes hovering around, I’m sure we’re gonna be able to enjoy allllll of the chemistries.
The reception to this drama has been a titch cooler than I’d anticipated, and I don’t think this show is as bad as the worst of its criticism, although perhaps there are grains of truth in there. I find it entertaining and engaging (now that the heavy introductions are out of the way), though admittedly I’m still waiting for something fresh or exciting to come from the story, and I wonder if I’ll be waiting for ages. Perhaps I’ll be better served by not expecting freshness, and being fine with it as a beautifully produced, gorgeously shot version of a show I’ve seen many times before.
One thing I noticed particularly in this episode was that there was a lot of style in action; the director’s flair was on full display, and when it works, it can be exciting and thrilling. However, that didn’t preclude some jumpy narrative cuts, and moments of confusion when I didn’t register that we’d switched scenes, or wasn’t sure if something was a legitimate scene or a flashback/fantasy moment because the scene change had been so abrupt. That can be a directorial flaw but I’d also put it at the writer’s hands, since it’s her job to structure scenes so that the logic flows fluidly. Trust me, I’m paying a heckuva lot of attention to details with multiple rewinds, and if I have trouble figuring out the flow, it’s no longer my problem. Style isn’t solely good or solely bad—too little makes for ugly dramas, and too much can feel empty—but as long as it comes backed up with some meat, I’m all about it. Today it worked well (the previous episodes were a little less successful at matching content to the style, I thought), and I hope the drama keeps it up as we continue.
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51 tae tae
August 31, 2016 at 6:00 AM
Lee jun ki he really shine as a star with so many handsome princes around he stole the spot light.his visual is such a blessings even with the mask on.but the show didn't meet up the people expectations some thing doesn't feel well placed.we shouldn't compare it with moonlight as the director of moonlight said they are really different in every way.jun ki oppa is so handsome and he do his own stunt that is awesome he has my heart already.(sorry baekhyun oppa you're still my bias from exo)...the drama is not that much bad and deserve good rating I don't think pre produced are getting accepted well even though SC get great selling offer than dots still neitzen aren't happy about the drama.
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52 suzyjunh
August 31, 2016 at 6:11 AM
No Prince Wook NOOOOOOOOOOOO..
Lady Hae is so nice that I can't help but root for her and the best in their marriage. WookHae FTW!!!
Yeonghwa started of as a spoiled princess but I appreciate that she isn't afraid of So (unlike her other half brothers) and tended his injury.
This is probably the first drama that I didn't ship the lead girl with the lead or second lead guy *sorry Su*
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53 lolalarue
August 31, 2016 at 6:18 AM
I think I'm going to have start keeping track. Ep 3 no hug for So.
I just need a single person to give the tiniest amount of care for him. Just, ugh. It's all so terrible.
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54 Inggg
August 31, 2016 at 6:31 AM
He's hot and angry! I like that and i'm not even his fan ? #LJK
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55 Ahri
August 31, 2016 at 6:47 AM
I'm so afraid that Wang So slaughtered all those people in a sad little bid to protect his mother and get a bit of affection in return. Also loving the chemistry between Su and Wook, don't care if it's forbidden, it's a squee moment for me XD
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mary
August 31, 2016 at 7:07 AM
I also think that's why he did that. :( Nooooooo, I don't want him to be Evil Mom's weapon (again!)
Won't dad and Mu Hyung show him some love instead?
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Ahri
August 31, 2016 at 7:46 AM
He just wants a little bit of attention :( It's so sad how he turns human again whenever his mom or dad asked a question, and he is just so thrilled to think they're concerned. Then they ignore him again in the next second so.....
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youcallitwinter
August 31, 2016 at 7:15 AM
I'm pretty sure he did, that's what I felt while watching! And I so agree on Wook/Su, their chemistry is off-the-charts, it's a fictional, historical, time-travel set up, so I'm probably going to ship anyway, putting aside my real-world sensibilities for a moment, lol.
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Ahri
August 31, 2016 at 7:48 AM
I won't be surprised if he's all "look what I did for you!" at his mom next episode, and she kicks him away like he's an annoying puppy. And Wook/Su, when their fingers touched I was all you go get it girl, he's interested too! /sorry not sorry
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Lea
August 31, 2016 at 8:12 AM
Site moderators, for some reason, the autofill goes away before I enter name or email. Is it my issue or yours??
Wang So, I think it was done to protect the mother but I have feeling he will blackmail her into letting him stay longer in the palace with the card at hand. I would love for him to blackmail her, that witch deserves it.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 9:03 AM
I know what you mean about Wook/Su. That chemistry is off the charts.
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Yuki
September 3, 2016 at 11:46 AM
Agree, so far the chemistry between Su and Wook is the thing that keeps me watching. They make my heart flutter with their interactions. ?
I do not have such a big problem with lady Hae since it is clear that nothing will happen, but it's such a delicious forbidden attraction.
The thing that bothers me the most is that the chemistry between IU and Ha Neul feels a wasted opportunity; sorry for Jun Ki followers but I would have loved to have this main couple, this is one pairing I could get excited about.
Not sure what will happen after the flirting with Wook is over, I am afraid I will get bored,...but let's see what happens.
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56 Lynn
August 31, 2016 at 6:59 AM
I gotta say, WS mom is a b*tch (this actress is doing an excellent job, we all hate her ?? lol). I liked LJK before, but after that fight I think I'm on a whole new level. #LeeJunKiIsAwesome \o/
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Nutini
September 1, 2016 at 5:44 AM
Bitch with plastic face, didn't know plastic surgery comes from Guryeo
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mary
September 1, 2016 at 5:40 PM
She met the doctor from Faith.
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57 Julia Fitri
August 31, 2016 at 7:02 AM
....so far, nothing special about this series but I'm still willing.
I think So wiped out the monks out of filiel piety or something. He didn't want Prince Mu to find out about his mothers involvement so he wiped out the evidence, so to speak.
Is it just my bias towards Kang Ha Neul or is his acting is just levels higher than everybody else?
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Yuki
September 3, 2016 at 11:57 AM
I share your opinion about Kang Ha Neul, he is being sooo good with the material he is given, so versatile and expressive..., but I am also a big fan, hehe! :D
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58 mary
August 31, 2016 at 7:17 AM
Thanks JAVA BEANS for the recaps,although i didn't watch the original but this one is interesting,I kinda love Wook i mean the 8th prince.Cant wait for the next epic lol!!!!!
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59 Caty_Rina
August 31, 2016 at 7:22 AM
Thanks for recap! I love this show! IU is a very very beautiful girl! Waiting for more romantic moments between her and the 4th prince! Sure that she will heal So from all his wounds and save him from his loneliness!
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60 TJ
August 31, 2016 at 7:30 AM
Well I guess IU can't be forgiven for being a pedophile and Baekhyun for dating Taeyeon. Plus Park Bo gum is the new hottie in town and he's so perfect on and off screen. Even a murky pool full of hotties won't change the fact that this drama has two disgraced idols in it. Ninety percent of this "criticism" can be traced back to their prior "scandals'. Netizens have even been complaining about the makeup in both dramas. I'm thinking I just need to watch them and not pay one bit of attention to what anyone has to say about any of it. This is what ruined Cheese in the Trap for me which I was enjoying until everyone got all butthurt over it. People, it's a tv drama no cause for such angst. Watch and enjoy or change the station.
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gem28
August 31, 2016 at 8:17 AM
This sort of comment makes me sad. IU atleast is decent but Baekhyun, that guy, I don't know him that well other than the fact that he is an idol is a very poor actor. Lets stay objective here. I am sure there are anti-fans of all the idols out there but that is not enough for a show to get massive success while the other to get lukewarm response after months of promotion. And Park Bo-Gum did I remember You and Reply series and he has a proven record of excellent acting, don't put him down to justify mediocre acting. It isn't his fault that both the idols in the drama either are doing just average or pure badly where acting is concerned. This is a drama, they should act well first. Forget everything else. Netizens I don't care about but from a neutral perspective, you can't justify the faults or shortcomings in their acting.
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TJ
August 31, 2016 at 6:41 PM
It makes you sad because I won't drag IU or Baekhyun? Because it makes me sad that I knew both of those young people would experience a rough time no matter what they did. That's my opinion and I don't care if you find it unfortunate. I happen to be enjoying the drama. Baekhyun has a minor comedic role. So what if he isn't Sir Lawrence Olivier. IU will undoubtedly need to depart from her wide eyed ingenue routine within the next couple of episodes. I think she got the crying parts down in her last couple of dramas. The older male actors are all wonderful. Even our villainous brother looks sinister in his eyeliner. Lee Jun ki is more gorgeous and dark than usual. Kang Ha neul could melt the pavement. So, yeah. I think it's a big nag fest over nothing. Nobody is stinking up the place. It's a fantasy drama lighten up.
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gem28
August 31, 2016 at 8:32 PM
I'll rephrase. I have a minor issue with the fact that you've chosen to drag personal lives of these entertainers to justify the response that they are receiving for their work in a drama. Read my comment again, I've never said that they don't get needless hate. Dear God, everybody in the business from Park Shin Hye to Lee Min Ho gets that, even Jun Ji Hyun. I asked you focus on their acting and see if it is justified to criticize them at all. I also objected your dragging Park Bo-Gum as just a pretty face into the argument. He is fine actor and Moonlight has substance. Its not heavy handed but a compelling watch. At the end, if one has edge over the others it means as a whole package one is delivering over the other.
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TJ
September 1, 2016 at 3:42 AM
I'm enjoying the other moonlight show as well. But drama watchers need to understand that drama ratings aren't always about the best drama sometimes they're about what's trending with Koreans at the time. To Koreans the "personal" lives of their celebrities do matter. They go into "reflection"over their "personal" lives and sometimes we don't see them for years. In this world Bo gum beats IU not just because he's a better actor but because he's trendy and not the least bit controversial.
pogo
September 1, 2016 at 4:06 AM
The idea that personal life/image issues influence the reception of a drama to the point where they trump even its quality, is a bit nonsensical.
By that logic, Song Hye-gyo and Han Hyo-joo's 2016 dramas would have tanked too. (one admitted to defaulting on taxes to the tune of millions of dollars, the other was accused of covering up her brother's criminal behaviour - far worse than whatever IU's imagined crimes may be).
It's unnecessary to drag other actors into this by implying that the success of their dramas is about image, or making generalisations about the Korean audience. Let's not be THOSE people, thanks.
pogo
August 31, 2016 at 8:40 AM
Honestly, if you like something, what's the problem if other people don't? And why the need to tell others how to consume their dramas or express their opinions - is critical comment verboten?
If people want to complain, let them. I like it but I can accept that everyone else may not, and it's even possible to enjoy it without slipping in barbed comments about other competing dramas.
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TJ
August 31, 2016 at 6:55 PM
Critical comment isn't verboten of course it isn't. Nitpicking should be. This is a civilized site. Not true everywhere else.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 7:51 PM
People have every right to state their honest opinions on the drama without being told to (basically) shut up by someone feeling defensive about said drama. Even if that criticism is interpreted as nitpicking. The drama is fair game, other people shouldn't be.
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youcallitwinter
August 31, 2016 at 2:47 PM
I know what you mean re:Cheese In The Trap because I was one of those people who absolutely adored it. (AND I liked Baek Inho, which was a dangerous proposition by the end in the comments section lol.)
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61 aa
August 31, 2016 at 7:33 AM
one thing for sure, my heart goes to Lee Jun Ki... I can't describe it anymore. my jaw opens up so much after watching the monk's assassination... DAMN THE ACTION!
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62 Janecole
August 31, 2016 at 7:34 AM
Oh! JB this is fast and hard work tq !
Firstly i like wang so outfit and also too stylsh for goryeo era the color and texture well match. I am curious to see his future armour vest but bae yong jin 's armour still the best !
The night scene i really can't see the gruesome fight it is too dark or bad editing and fighters running all over the place you really can't see the martial sword fighting in action not well choreographed enough but the ritual dance - well done. The sword dont look fancy enough partly because of wang so small frame.
Each characters are now more visible but some still shady wang so still love his mom regardless of her ambitious plan by erasing all evidences at the temple or something else will take place at the palace ?
Ha jin/ hae soo and prince wook showing their vulnerable emotions which his wife noticed. Wang so did show some curiousity traits toward ha jin but i am not sure about yeon hwa she could be nasty later.
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63 Janecole
August 31, 2016 at 7:45 AM
I would prefer to see the iron mask rather than his hair covering the well crafted mask.
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64 Shin
August 31, 2016 at 7:50 AM
I felt so sad for JG... He puts a lot of efforts for this drama, even weight loss he did. But it wasn't fairly pay by the rating. Moon lovers is interesting, but moonlight developing to more depth and heartwarming story, with two adorable leads (both are my love and like). Will the ratings change or remain the same until the end? I trully lost hope that the ratings will change. It really sad for me as a fan. He is a mesmerizing actor and he continuously improve in acting. How I wish after this he will take a break from drama and move to chungmuro. To have more time looking in a movie script... Just realize, he started his career as movie actor but ended up being a drama actor.
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65 erratic
August 31, 2016 at 8:15 AM
I enjoyed the last two episodes. Still not that invested in the plot. Kang Haneul is so blasted gorgeous. Lee Junki is so ridiculously pretty. I like IU and thought she was adorable in certain scenes. Why did they have to make Ji Soo a son of the bitchy queen?
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 9:02 AM
I wonder if 4 and 14 both being sons of the Queen from Hell was something from the original?
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Charlotte P
August 31, 2016 at 10:43 AM
Ji soo (character name Wang Jong) is son of bitch queen because he actually was in Korean history, nothing to do with Chinese original. So Wang Yo, Wang So, and Wang Jong are all full-brothers.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 11:36 AM
Thanks for that detail.
I'm still slightly mind-boggled about the scar - if the Queen had stabbed Jung in the face instead of So, would Jung have been the one exiled? Sucks to be a royal.
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Hye Mi
August 31, 2016 at 2:50 PM
Yes, very likely.
But I don't want a ranger in pink, so LJK works the character the best.
pogo
August 31, 2016 at 7:47 PM
Seriously, who thought those technicolour potato sacks were a good idea?
erratic
August 31, 2016 at 8:54 PM
Lol. and the eldest spare brother in tangerine. Good Lord. XD
Sancheezy
August 31, 2016 at 3:25 PM
it's from the original too,
in there, the mum greatly favours 14 because she raised him herself and put the 4th in backburner because he is raised by the former Queen,
even after the coronation, many people believe the throne is passed to the 14 not the 4 but the 4th erased the number 1 in the letter,
14th play a big important part in the Chinese because he is the hero, the one who go to war and win and also rumoured to be the next emperor,
regarding the main female, he also plays a big part til the last episode
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66 owl
August 31, 2016 at 8:23 AM
I love the complicated story between the princes and the sad reality of the rival families that divides them (and it is no fault of their own, either, which is even sadder). Hong Jong Hyun portrays the angry Wang Yo perfectly - watch out for him! I also like the way Hae Soo keeps the thread to the present in her mind, wondering if somehow Jo Mong is her ticket back. (Did he fall into the pool after her that day?)
The unspoken connection that is building between Hae Soo and Wang Wook worries me, and I hope he maintains his integrity with his sick wife (although I suspect at some point that Ha Soo's nearness to the entire situation will make things messy. And she did tell her mother that she was being shaken).
As for our handsome Wang So, my heart aches for the rejection and position he is in by his mother. She has sided up other princes to her and against Wang So so unfairly, his pain feels so deep. surely the King must recognize Wang So's valiant effort to save Wang Moo, but does he? I don't get why the ministers are so against Wang Moo who has been fighting battles with the King for Goryeo, it's like they dismiss him because he isn't around (since he is out fighting - hello!) I think the story is exciting and I am eternally grateful for the pretty scenes (read: open robes and bathing males).
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 9:50 AM
Yeah, I know we're talking a lot about Wook/Su in the context of his marriage and how it was different from modern-day marriages, but it's not just marriage that's different in Goryeo, it's the entire concept of family.
I mean, disfiguring your child and then sending him away because he's disfigured (by your hand!), pitting brothers against each other for the #1 spot, and even brothers who share both parents turning out to be mortal enemies.... that's not exactly a normal family relationship.
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owl
August 31, 2016 at 10:43 AM
Hi pogo!
Like I said, complicated. In a way that's what makes it intriguing and even though it may be shocking to our modern concept of relationships, all the same, it draws me in just watching and keeping track of those complications. Anyhoot, I'm holding out for So/Soo just for the love story (Goryeo style) of it all.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 11:35 AM
ikr, that's a huge part of what drives it home just how different that time is from ours.
If the Goryeo royal family existed in our time, they'd be the protagonists of one of those super dysfunctional family dramas (I guess they'd translate to chaebol heirs fighting over a company instead of a kingdom), everyone would think they're batshit insane and hopefully social services would intervene for poor baby So.
But they're in their own time, and there the child-cutting, brother-alienating, sister-marrying power struggles are, well, just what they do.
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owl
August 31, 2016 at 1:15 PM
Then, the kingdom is only 24 years in (or is it this king's reign? or both?), so there's the underlying aspect of who's next out of all those princes. The firstborn died so Wang Moo must be 2nd, and we know pretty much from there who's who. It's actually pretty typical in that the eldest gets the inheritance (or kingdom) and the rest of the sons either steal it or do something else with their lives.
Lin_K
September 1, 2016 at 2:47 AM
In royal families, it was normal to fight with your own flesh and blood to get power/the throne. It might not have been uncommon for the prince who ascend the throne to kill his brothers to avoid any future uprising or political backstabbing. Maybe all the queens and princes fight to make sure that they don't lose and end up getting killed. Idk.
I don't really understand the thirst to gain the power and rule a country or run a company (in present time). Honestly, it sounds like so much responsibility and headache. It's understandable if someone is genuinely concerned about the well-fare of a nation or a company and wants to ensure its safety. Otherwise, I don't get it.
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Nutini
September 1, 2016 at 5:59 AM
Well, scar and being sent away probably never happened in real history, but in genral sending away a son as hostage was a normal thing those days, same as using daughters to marry them off for political alliances, and not only in Asia but in Europe as well, but looks like 4th was really not loved by his mother ( not sure Chinese or Korean) who refused to acknowledge that he was a rightful heir, which is weird as he was her son too
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67 Lulubell
August 31, 2016 at 8:25 AM
From what I've read, the music seems to be a huge item of discontent. Personally, the music didn't bother me as much as the editing, which is a whole other monster. Gah!
There's actually one piece that I really liked. It is the music playing in the background of Episode 2, in the scene where So is going to take a bath and takes his mask off the first time, then meets Su. Does anyone know what the name of that melody is?
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jerboa83
September 1, 2016 at 5:04 PM
@Lulubell I totally agree. The OST seems out of place so far, except for that beautiful instrumental piece playing while So is taking off his mask and entering the water.
I also agree about the editing: it's seems almost schizophrenic to me.
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68 Elle
August 31, 2016 at 8:27 AM
Love this drama! And Lee Jun Ki acting and action skills honestly make my jaw drop. Amazing actor.
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owl
August 31, 2016 at 10:44 AM
He Elle!
Honestly, he is amazing. Gah!
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Lin_K
September 1, 2016 at 2:19 AM
He is amazing!!
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69 asml
August 31, 2016 at 8:50 AM
After reading JB's & all the comments here, I'm sooo glad that I'm not the only one who feels weird about the editing & of course the so many close ups of the actors' faces, especially IU's. I thought I was the weird one! But still, I enjoy the drama.
After reading all about the hate comments, ratings, comparisons, hypes & all that jazz, I wish I was back to my high school days where drama watching was so simple to me. Back to the days when the only things I did online was to watch dramas & fan made videos on Youtube.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 8:59 AM
It's definitely possible to enjoy a drama that others don't - we just have to learn not to be invested in what others think of it, or take it personally (lesson learned from watching way too many awesome but low-rated dramas). And not blame other people for not validating our tastes by sharing them.
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Natalia Belikov
August 31, 2016 at 9:29 AM
Wise words my friend :)
How I wish everyone on the internet was as wise as us XD
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Hye Mi
August 31, 2016 at 10:48 AM
+1,000,000
Thank you for saying this
*tears up*
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70 Meg
August 31, 2016 at 9:00 AM
Well I love it. Maybe because I'm a fan of the original and I think this is a nice remake in that it's a similar story but told in a different way. I didn't have any issues with following around with flashbacks of anything though? idk I think it's a great show and can't wait for next week!
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Nutini
September 1, 2016 at 6:02 AM
I don't like it cause original was good and these 3 eps I haven't yet felt this adaptation is anywhere close, I noticed that I rarely like female leads in Korean dramas, but often do in Japanese and loved Rouxi
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71 jaderjy
August 31, 2016 at 9:03 AM
Been reading the recaps for the 1st 2 eps to gauge whether I should watch it and it looks like I will. LJK is just out of this world!
I managed to get through Scholar just because of him, though I almost injured my eye with all the eye-rolls I had to involuntarily endure. hehe
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72 Hallyu mint
August 31, 2016 at 9:05 AM
. I can’t tell yet whether Baek-ah’s feelings are romantic or protective in a brotherly way, or maybe it’s a lot of things mixed up in one, but I’m glad for Lady Hae’s sake that someone clearly loves her and thinks that her husband should pay her more attention.
I agree with that sentiment in the sense that Wook is a decent guy (I hope?) who respects his wife and cares for her, and also because my modern sensibilities are apparently still old-fashioned in their view of monogamy and fidelity. And even if Wook isn’t too conflicted (he appears to be somewhat conflicted), it ought to be a moral dilemma for Su, whose sensibilities are as modern as mine.
Would it help u to know that in the original wooks first wife was still hung over her first love and their marriage was in name only. He respected her decision and kept his distance so it was actually wook suffering from attention
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73 YY
August 31, 2016 at 9:11 AM
1. When Ha-neul smiles, one corner of his lips lifts up ever, ever so slightly, just the tiniest, littlest quirk, then the rest of his lips just curveeee up in slow fluid unison. The effect is DEVASTATING.
2. The cradling of his wife's head as he lowers her onto her bed so, so gently, like she were the most precious, the most fragile thing in the world...Ha-neul-ah, I think I'm falling for you...
3. Fingers brushing over the sleeping wife...it's so, so wrong, but omg, forbidden attraction has never felt so, so right here at this moment...help, what's happening to me????
4. The preview at the end - I almost stopped breathing...
5. And finally, more subs for those of you who can't understand Horse Language.
Scene: 4th Prince gallops madly to find the assassins' hideout.
Horse: Whinnnyyyyyyyy snort whinnnyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
Subs: Whoa, dude, whoaaa, take it easy now, no hurry now, let's just take it slow and steady, slow and easy, deep breaths now, in, out, in, out...dude, dude, ya getting angry again....why d'ya keep yelling HAH and AH into my ears, dude, stop it already it's making my ears ring ...ouch, dude, that hurts, those pointy shoes, they're hurting my sides, dude, hey, man, stop, stop, quit that jabbing now, ya hear me?...
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erratic
August 31, 2016 at 9:40 AM
I know!
Also, Wook here is my Hyun Min. Lol.
Also, my goodness, Kang Ha Neul's smile. And that connection with IU. They're not dating, are they? O.o
Also, Kang Ha Neul's smile. Because it bears repeating.
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Yuki
September 3, 2016 at 12:05 PM
Yep, Kang Ha Neul is so gorgeous and manly here ?, I can't ...
I already noticed him in Misaeng and was waiting for him to land a leading role, so I could droll over his sexiness and good acting. I knew he would nail the romantic aspect and his chemistry with IU is such a nice surprise...it's a pity that he is not the main lead, I am shipping them so hard already. Not sure I can finish the series if it becomes clear that he won't get the girl...
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 9:43 AM
#5 gives a new meaning to running commentary.
Also, can we just make Kang Haneul's smile illegal? It can join Lee Jun-ki's entire face over in the category of Things Too Beautiful For My Health.
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erratic
August 31, 2016 at 10:42 AM
I agree, place it with Bo Gummy's puppy-dog teary eyes while you're at it.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 1:29 PM
Yep. Too much beauty = health hazard.
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Julia Fitri
September 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM
Agree with KHN's smile and Bo Gum teary eyes. Both are lethal.
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74 Natalia Belikov
August 31, 2016 at 9:26 AM
I just looooove how much is being talked about this drama, which I love by the way!
All publicity is good publicity and I think ratings for this drama are just going to go up. If you just check how many comments are on SH's recaps compared to any other drama (including Moonlight) SH has way more comments. This says something, even though some of those comments are not too positive. Same goes for other website publishing SH's news.
This is all about data mining and wont be surprise if all this fuzz (whether is negative or positive) increases viewers curiosity. This is a slow burning show with a moderate start that has rapidly picked up on its third episode.
I dont care about the ratings as I choose a drama by its story. However, I would love to see higher ratings for next week as this will definitely help actors in their future projects and popularity (Fighting LJK!) Not that he needs more popularity, Jesus, the man is already an A-list actor, but a hit drama for him would be awesome as I would get to see him in even more awesome projects!
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Nutini
September 1, 2016 at 6:09 AM
I only understood one thing- Lee Junki loves historical dramas cause he loves horse riding ( his way of cooly hopping off the horse and all), he loves sword fights and stints and enjoys crazy hair, but I hope next time while choosing projects he chooses wisely, not because it's sageuk
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75 Antonia
August 31, 2016 at 9:33 AM
i watched al 3 episodes last night and nos i Need episode 4.. can't wait. i'm so hooked.. and i must confess as much as i like kang ha neul it's lee jun ki who is just killing it. i just love his character and his portrayal so much... every little change of expression, his eyes his smirks... not to say he's looks... i always found his beaty so distracting
lee jun ki aside, i'm liking the plot, the cinematography, IU and the princes
i hope ratings get better the show deserves better
waiting forma monday like crazy.. lol
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Natalia Belikov
August 31, 2016 at 9:40 AM
Me too!! Im SO HOOKED! episode 3 was marvelous!
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Nutini
September 1, 2016 at 6:10 AM
I'm yet to fall for anyone here, I found none of those many princes have my type of visuals
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76 Natalia Belikov
August 31, 2016 at 9:40 AM
Contrary to JB, I had no problem following the storyline of this episode. I think that this drama is more complex when it comes to directing decisions. There are some shots that really mean something or declare an statement, which in non-preproduced dramas is very hard to achieve as they do not have the time to think this stuff through.
Anyways. Im in love with the show. It is not perfect, but it is definitely the best one airing right now, and it has just barely started!
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77 Nutini
August 31, 2016 at 9:44 AM
I wonder how would a person feel suddenly being in different time, like no tooth paste, no running water and who knows what toilets looked like, at least people usually go back in time to be princes or nobles, so ay least get the best lifestyle available at those times,lol, I started watching Chinese version
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JoyBells
August 31, 2016 at 10:00 AM
Lol yeah. Better to land up in a nobles house as opposed to a slave i guess. I was thinking about how i would feel if i was transported back in time and my first and foremost concern would be non-availability of feminine hygiene products. Time of the month and i'm assuming they used clothes. Sigh....nope.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 10:19 AM
My uterus is contracting in sympathetic horror at the thought of going through menstruation without the things we have now to get us through it.
I could handle the wonky family relationships, polygamy, and cumbersome clothes all right, but not even for Lee Jun-ki would I go back to a time before OTC painkillers and flush toilets.
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Lynn
August 31, 2016 at 11:51 AM
OMG! You guys are killing me ???! ROFL
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loophole
August 31, 2016 at 2:26 PM
Honey, no number of Lee jun Ki can get me to choose that life. Because that's saying no laptop, no feminine products, no wc, hanbok all the time. Thinking about it is even making me dizzy.
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IvoryLight
August 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM
Oh I don't know. LJK could be worth all that hehehe, he'd just have to convince me-and by that I mean probably breathe in my direction, say two words to me in that lovely melodic voice and stare at me for two seconds before I'd pack my bags and move to Goryeo.
Lin_K
September 1, 2016 at 2:54 AM
Oh I will be willing to sacrifice a few things for LJK!! Though a good toilet would be awesome I have to say. Don't think I will like a chamber pot.
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IvoryLight
September 2, 2016 at 1:46 AM
Haha okay fair point. We'd have to negotiate the inclusion of some indoor plumbing and medication before I'd *really* commit to this hahah
Iluljk
September 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM
Idk..if the trade is lee jun ki..i am more than willing..but please make me be hea su..imagine waking up as chea ryung instead..nope?
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Hye Mi
August 31, 2016 at 10:52 AM
Ikr, what I appreciate most out of watching historical drama is that I am born into this era.
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78 JoyBells
August 31, 2016 at 9:53 AM
I actually enjoying this drama quite a lot,and i was surprised to see it get so much criticism!
Any way,like JB said,me with my modern day sensibilities have difficulty warping around the fact that Wook is a married man(yes,yes its a sageuk and these things like multiple wife and concubines for royalty were norm in those days) but even those "moments" with Hae Soo makes me unconvinced to get onto this ship. Add to that Lady Hae is so kind to her and even treats her like her own kid. The scene where Wook said he looks forward to seeing her and the micro expression change in Lady Hae's face,made me feel so sad for her. :(
This episode also makes me 90% sure that Lady Hae is not long for this world. apart from her constant coughing,they Ost they released earlier had scenes where they all seemed to be attending a funeral and another with Nam Joo hyuk and Hae drinking in mourning cloths. Lady Hae and NJK seem to be quite close and fond of each other so im guessing its sadly her funeral. I think this is the way out to start Wook and Hae soo's romance,but they could have pushed that loveline after her death,not that moving on with your dead wife's sister is better but in these circumstances....
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erratic
August 31, 2016 at 10:46 AM
I find myself more squeamish at Wang So's comment on Wook's sister (Dear Lord, he's been looking forward to her growing up? And the flirtatious glance of the sister: her "orabeoni" sounded more like today's Oppa toward an unrelated dude) and the possible (implied?) amatory relations between Queen Bitch and #3. -.-'
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JoyBells
August 31, 2016 at 8:10 PM
I completely forgot to mention that scene!
Oh man...that made me squeamish too,Wang So and Bratty princess are acually related to each other by blood but there definitely was tension and chemistry there on both(?) sides.
Thats why the only ship im saying right now is on Soo-Su ship,just for the fact that they are non related both by blood and relation even if i dont see much chemistry,yet.
Also i wonder what that grudge was that Bratty Princess mentioned that Evil queen held. (Still getting around to learning character names,too many of them)
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Nutini
September 1, 2016 at 6:25 AM
It's again the difference between Korean and Chinese version, in Chinese version even if they didn't talk to each other, 4th interest in her was noticeable and it was like he was actually the most understanding towards her and she felt his greatness even tho she didn't like him, he was cold but there was no that stupid grabbing, trying to kill and being rude to her from his side ( well, was something later in a story but there was a reason why he did that) cause he was cold, calculating, ruthless but intelligent, attentive and simply very smart person, who knew he was of royal blood and would never forget his manners, so chemistry was there from the outset
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youcallitwinter
August 31, 2016 at 2:50 PM
Ohh, you're absolutely right re: that Su and Baek-ah scene, that's probably exactly what happened :O
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79 sarang
August 31, 2016 at 9:53 AM
My biggest issue with this drama is the music directing. Now I love the traditional pieces (the instrumentals) but the modern songs are a bit iffy (sans the ballad pieces). I hope they stick to the traditional music and leave out the pop songs. I found it was better in this episode so here's to hoping. I'm enjoying the drama overall though and I don't think the acting is as bad as people are saying.
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jerboa83
September 1, 2016 at 5:10 PM
Same here... Those pop songs are really out of place.
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80 Kay
August 31, 2016 at 10:35 AM
Tbh at first I was expecting Scarlet heart more than moonlight, then watched them both but ended up liking moonlight instead, though I was skeptical about moonlight at first since am afraid it would be too sweet for my taste, but it turns out to be a heartwarming drama with depths which I loved. Meanwhile for scarlet heart, I was so excited about it at first but after seeing those first two episodes, IU & baekhyun's acting is such a major turn off for me. IU's act doesn't fit in her role & baekhyun is just too overeacting. The lack of the acting is like a broken link to the story for me & I don't really like how they executed their scene with some of those "flying" scene as well, it feels fake & so distracting. I know the chinese version was made that way but it's understandable since it's 90's. My point is, I think the fall of the rating was caused by SH itself, not because other rivalry drama. It's just worrysome as they cast too much idols imo which I think unfit with their role in saeguk's as it's required a deep skill in acting, imo.
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Jan
August 31, 2016 at 11:04 PM
Imo the flying scenes are supposed to show that those people have great martial arts skills, and such flying scenes are still being used in Chinese dramas & movies as of today.
I also do not think that the low ratings was caused by other rival dramas. On the hand, I think it is not fair to blame IU or BaekHyun for the low ratings because the low ratings started with the 1st episode which means that the viewers did not even get to watch their acting which in your opinion is such a major turnoff.
By the too many "idols", i assume you are referring to BaekHyun since he's the only idol, I don't think he requires a deep skill in acting for a minor supporting role. If we don't cast any idols in minor supporting roles to let them grow and gain experience, your beloved heartwarming drama will have someone else as its second lead.
What I'm saying is it's fine to not like the drama, its actors/actresses, their acting etc. and to critique the flaws, but it's not very nice to lay the blame for the low ratings on the poor idol, as there may be many other factors which caused the Korean viewers not to tune in the 1st place.
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Nutini
September 1, 2016 at 6:32 AM
Wait, I watched Chinese version ( tho skipped half of eps) and don't remember flying scenes, lol, maybe I missed them, but there definitely were no dancing of princes or fighting right in the Emperor's palace and all that jazz, actually all that action packed stuff is purely korean addition
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81 harmonyfb
August 31, 2016 at 10:36 AM
So far, I'm loving this show. There's a lot less schmoopy romance than I feared, and a lot more badass fighty-fight than I thought there'd be, and there's even a hint of supernatural shenanigans (aka time travel). :)
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82 lovepark
August 31, 2016 at 10:43 AM
The whole criticism makes me wonder about the people watching this drama. If you want an outstanding performance with perfect production then go watch an Oscar winning film. Kdrama has it charm and believe me that includes terrible ost, unnecessary camera zoom, and terrible kiss scene. But that's the charm and we complain so many times and still come back to watch more of it.
Every time people compare this and the c-version, I can't help but laugh. Is this your first time korean adaptation of anything will disappoint you? I went into this drama blank. Glad I never saw the original version. I'm watching this drama for what it is and I LOVE IT. Granted, the Ost is out of place. But personally, Its something I can overlook.
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gem28
August 31, 2016 at 11:30 PM
It's unnecessary to expect people to validate what you like, you can ignore them and continue to enjoy the show. I watched Mooring School, Last and My Beautiful Bride..... not many liked or watched those show, maybe for good reasons on their part. Why is it laughable it being compared to the C version, that was a huge pan-asia hit and naturally people will compare. So I am asking you to kindly refrain from making inflammatory comments for no reason. This place is one of the few places where you can express an opinion without it turning nasty and I like that.
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jerboa83
September 1, 2016 at 5:11 PM
Luckily, NOT all dramas have "terrible osts, unnecessary camera zooms, and terrible kiss scenes".
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83 Lin_K
August 31, 2016 at 10:55 AM
I love the song, Because of You, sung by Baekhyun and two other EXO members. I have been listening to it repeatedly. I just don't like the Ta..da..ta..da.... at the beginning. If we take that off, it will be suitable for a sageuk.
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84 Syn Tri
August 31, 2016 at 11:53 AM
Iljimae is BACK! ?
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85 spazmo
August 31, 2016 at 12:02 PM
i am just so happy with so much pretty... all the princes are beautiful and especially Lee Jun Ki, considering he's the oldest...
now i am certain i did see him last fall in japan's roppongi district - i thought the man was too thin to be him - but his profile and voice were undeniable...
so beautiful, that man is...
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mary
August 31, 2016 at 2:37 PM
Dangit, you breathed the same air as Lee Junki???
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Lin_K
September 1, 2016 at 2:58 AM
Lol, girl!
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erratic
September 1, 2016 at 2:34 AM
Respect. Lol.
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pogo
September 1, 2016 at 4:10 AM
I'm so torn between SQUEEEEEEEE (an actual sighting of oppa by a beanie! aka the closest I will ever get to seeing him in real life!) and insane jealousy (said beanie was not me!)
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86 Abbie
August 31, 2016 at 12:21 PM
Freaking love this. So amazing.
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87 seoqueen
August 31, 2016 at 12:35 PM
Okay, so.. IU's crying scene was honestly hard to watch. But besides that I don't think she deserves the intense criticism and hatred from knetz. Although I do think she was miscast.
And anyone notice in LJK's fight scene when he drove the sword through the priest/monk dude at the end, it looked so badly done.. like you can obviously tell he stabbed him through the gap between the body and arm LOL. I just can't. It's not LJK's fault, but bad angles. Ugh.
Everything about this drama is so inconsistent. LJK and KHN deliver sageuk, but nothing else does. There are such beautiful and well-made scenes, but then there's the fight scene I just mentioned and poor aesthetics like the clothes for example. The tones in this drama are so choppy and switches back and forth too much. IMO, this drama is so bad (production-wise) that it's good. I just wanna keep seeing so I can laugh to myself.
STILL, GREAT CLIFF HANGER. LJK delivers every time.
Except the stabbing scene. Yes, I will never let it die.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 1:39 PM
Oh goodness, that scene where she's crying about So always wanting to kill her was SO AWKWARD to watch. It's a shame because IU nailed her first crying scene of this drama, this was just....bad. I still like her in the role and think the criticism she's getting is vastly overblown, but the only thing that would shut it down at this stage is her delivering another Cindy-level performance, and she's not there yet in this drama.
LJK's action scenes are always a treat to watch because he has the martial arts experience to do everything himself and make it look real. But stabbing someone is not something you can do for real - as you said, it's the production's fault for not finding a better angle to use there.
(and thank goodness, another person confused by those alternating filters! Yellow, then red....what's next, sepia?)
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namedx
August 31, 2016 at 4:36 PM
I actually rather enjoyed that crying scene. I pretty much viewed it as comic relief, even if it did heavily contradict with the gloominess of the scene prior to it. But then I guess that's what you get when you put someone from the 21st century into a setting as bloody and ruthless as this - everything turns so surreal.
And I couldn't agree more with the Tarantino ref, so apt! The graphic details work with this drama, as does the contrasting sprinkles of humour. It may be clunky at times, but as a viewer, I'm so entertained!
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youcallitwinter
August 31, 2016 at 5:52 PM
I enjoyed it as well, it was meant to be a little comedic. And somehow made funnier by the fact that Haesoo was so sincere in it, and barely able to speak in her anguish, which was just adorable, and Wook clearly thought so too. Kang Haneul trying to hide his smile while consoling her was glorious.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 7:53 PM
yeah, I get that it was meant to be comic, but that only becomes apparent once she pulls him down by the sleeve - now that was funny, and kinda adorable. But when it started.... boy, was that awkward.
pogo
August 31, 2016 at 7:55 PM
And again - WHY did the director choose to hace IU in close-up for that? The cute/funny whine could even have worked if she wasn't filling the whole frame. /sigh
IvoryLight
September 2, 2016 at 1:52 AM
Speaking of comedic, I was right there with Javabeans marveling over the cuteness that was Hae Su practicing her speech hahaha. It was even funnier that her Unni and Baek-eh were there to witness it. There are some real gems in these three episodes, little details that I liked that they included (e.g. in episode 2 when Hae Su was attempting stealth by slipping into the tea room room with all the maids but Eun, Wook AND So all noticing her immediately hehe, Eun pushing 9th Prince to join the battle and then staying safely away from it with 14th I think was funny too) so I'm looking forward to seeing it all again this weekend!!
Lin_K
September 1, 2016 at 3:01 AM
I liked the crying scene too. I thought it was meant to be a little funny.
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Lynn
September 1, 2016 at 7:45 AM
I liked it as well, mainly because I felt I would've done the exact same thing: cry/wail like a brat/baby.
Lol I laughed because KHN reacted in a way that's almost typical of men, most can't handle a woman crying ???
Nutini
September 1, 2016 at 6:40 AM
I agree with her crying scene being really bad at that part, it felt so forced, I understand she was shocked and nearly killed and it was supposed being her nervous breakdown but it just didn't deliver, and it didn't deliver as a highly emotional scene and didn't work as a comic relief, it was just like " I have to cry now cause that's what heroines do and it's in a script"
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jerboa83
September 1, 2016 at 5:18 PM
@pogo "Stabbing someone is not something you can do for real – as you said, it’s the production’s fault for not finding a better angle to use there." You use retractile fake blades for that.
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jerboa83
September 1, 2016 at 5:19 PM
Or CG.
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Sophie
September 1, 2016 at 5:16 PM
IU's crying scene after the tension was relieved was childish and fake, awfully acted.
I agree on this: "And anyone notice in LJK’s fight scene when he drove the sword through the priest/monk dude at the end, it looked so badly done.. like you can obviously tell he stabbed him through the gap between the body and arm LOL. I just can’t. It’s not LJK’s fault, but bad angles. Ugh.
Everything about this drama is so inconsistent. LJK and KHN deliver sageuk, but nothing else does." "The tones in this drama are so choppy and switch back and forth too much."
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88 vera
August 31, 2016 at 1:54 PM
"Wook finishes tucking his wife into bed "
Ok, I read something different
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89 Oana
August 31, 2016 at 2:31 PM
I'm the only one who have mixed feelings while watching real history-based sageuks? Like I want to get in the story and all, but I alredy know what happens, thanks history and wikipedia... So when So interacts with Su or with his half-sister (chills down my spine) I feel the tension but then historic spoilers ruin my moment... But So marrying his half-sis (eww) It doesn't mean that there couldn't been a secret love story, or whatever happens between characters...right?
See?
*sigh* I think I feel more intensity from my emotional confusion than from the action in the drama...
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90 Franbergh II
August 31, 2016 at 3:04 PM
am i the only one who feel weird with wook-su's developing interest? i totally doesnt like it. im the kind of person who hates about a story where a married person have interest to other woman (or man). in wooks case, su is lady hae's sister! and lady hae loves her.
i dont know how women in that era thinking about polygamy or how they can endure it or how theyre so forgiving, but i personally so against it. so its a big bold underlined NO for wook. id rather watch a triangle of so-su-eun. 100% like it better!
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Nutini
September 1, 2016 at 6:49 AM
I don't think those days anyone asked for their opinion, well in some cases, when there was a respect but no love anymore husband would probably consult with his first wife before taking another, but that was reality for them and not that shocking, it was also not uncommon when both sisters were taken as concubines, and why Henry 8th had both Bolein sisters and everyone is fine with that, just because he broke up with first first and married second later? Kings in Europe probably didn't have many wives but surely had many lovers, cause in Goryeo at least lover was officially given a status of wife or concubine given her status actually make it more honest, lol
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91 plumwine
August 31, 2016 at 3:44 PM
JavaBeans - Thank you so much for your super speedy recaps, humor, and historical notes! I really appreciate the historical notes, because otherwise I would spend half my time on wiki. Your insight and humor is much appreciated. Now relax your fatigued fingers and have a mimosa.
I am really enjoying this, maybe because I don't watch too many sagueks and didn't even know this was based on something else. I like the humor and the action scenes. Also the cinematography is stunning!
Just to add to some of the comments I read - I don't even know why there is a comparison between the two Moons. The other is cute and fun while this is not so much. I am enjoying both of them for what they are.
Now I'm leaving the Goryeo age and heading to the 13th dimension which is W.
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:50 PM
So agree I'm enjoying both. Have fun with W - and let me know what that was all about once you've seen it. Good episode but boy am I confused! Looking forward to the recap and comments to help clear up some of the cobwebs this spidery plot is spinning in my brain.
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92 seehorce
August 31, 2016 at 5:02 PM
I've seen the Chinese drama Scarlet Heart which changed the ending from the book so I'm left to wonder if this is going to vary that even more ... we shall see...
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93 loveblossom
August 31, 2016 at 5:22 PM
I'm a little confused about this one thing. Are Baek Ah and Lady Hae blood-related? He said she was his noona, but I wasn't sure if they were really brother & sister...
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youcallitwinter
August 31, 2016 at 5:56 PM
I don't think so, because she told him to stop calling her that historical equivalent of noona, which made it seem like he was using it as a term of endearment. But, then again, this is set in the Goryeo period so she might still be related to him even if he was using it romantically, lol.
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94 Fafo
August 31, 2016 at 6:15 PM
I'm enjoying the show, but I just wish there was less romance in the beginning. I know it's part of the story, but if it just gradually started appearing later on it would be perfect. I love that Wangso is turning to the dark side now and even though I'm not really a fan of bickering couples, I hope IU starts to really despise him(for the right reasons)and you know challenges him and falls in love (slowly) in spite of herself.
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95 leafle
August 31, 2016 at 7:15 PM
idk why people equate intensity to good acting
honestly, kang ha neul is by far the better actor in this series
kang ha neul >>>>>>>>> lee jun ki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest
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96 silentbeluga
August 31, 2016 at 8:07 PM
Guys, I think I’ve found the way to overlook the incest eek factor when it comes to So and Yeonwha. They did mention that Wook and So were born the same year, right? Ok, so bear with me, here’s what I imagine happened.
Back before So and Wook were even born, the King started spending more and more time with Wook’s future mother (because she probably was breathtakingly beautiful, I mean, look at her son!). That made Queen Sinmyeongsunseong very resentful and jealous. One night, as she was feeling particularly bitter, she met an elfin-looking man of lower rank than she was and well, there probably was alcohol involved, the moon was bright, the air was warm, one thing led to another and… boom! She got pregnant! Panicked, the Queen quickly thought of a scheme to legitimize her pregnancy: she would make the King sleep with her and then get rid of the child as quickly as possible. Hence she sent him away to be "adopted" by another family; she was getting rid of an embarrassing secret and reinforcing a political alliance at the same time. Two birds, one stone!
That’s probably not where the drama will go but I think it makes sense. The Queen is a smart, prideful woman who clearly feels she’s been wronged somehow and she really doesn’t treat So like her son. If he is not the King’s son but some lower-class nobleman, she might legitimately think that he is not a contender for the throne because he is of lower blood. And of course, she’s never going to admit to adultery (that would get her killed probably) so sending the child away seems like a good compromise.
Plus, if So is a bastard, chances are that he would be smarter and stronger than his brothers. Traditionally, children that were born in royal families that shared too many common ancestors were more likely to suffer from diseases and debilitating conditions than their bastard siblings. Incest tends to breed weak offsprings.
So there you go! He’s not the King’s son. Yeonwha is not his sister. Everything that happened in that scene it totally kosher. No more eek factor!!
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YY
August 31, 2016 at 10:32 PM
The other scene that was eeky to me was the bath scene where the queen and her eyeliner son were having tea together, and he was like massaging her shoulders - that didn't feel right somehow, that intimacy, and the part where he puts his hand overs hers to pour the tea...the camera closes in and pauses on the hands, the mother's hands still beneath his - and I'm thinking what the heck was that???? The dawning realization that something's not right here....I have to contend with the hot chemistry between married (but very beautiful) man and girl, the attraction half-sister feels for angry hero, now this?????
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silentbeluga
August 31, 2016 at 11:07 PM
I know, right? What's next? The King developing a romantic relationship with the Crown Prince? So having deep feelings for his horse? SOMEBODY FALLING FOR A CHAIR?
I'm kidding. But yeah, there's a lot of tension in some scenes that just... eek!
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YY
September 1, 2016 at 12:48 AM
And the big reveal - Hae Su is actually the Evil Queen's daughter from her affair with the astrologer (they used to meet in the cave leading to the royal bath)...and OMG, she even had a son with him who happens to be, THE MONK with the tongue aka The Tongued Monk, which means Hae Su's father is the astrologer and her brother is the leader of the Assassins, and, cheng, cheng, cheng... she is 4th Prince's half-sister as well!!!!
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silentbeluga
September 1, 2016 at 12:59 AM
Hahahaha! They're all one big family and everything is terrible :)
loveblossom
September 1, 2016 at 7:27 AM
Horse.... Chair. Omg your comment made me laugh/cry out loud! ?
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jerboa83
September 1, 2016 at 5:25 PM
Something about those scenes feels really unsettling, almost creepy... Too incestuous for my taste.
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:39 PM
I think I'm just going to get over the eek factor whether or not your theory is true. Fact is, royalty at that time did marry half-sisters and nieces, etc. They apparently followed a "bone-rank" system rigidly so maybe that played a part in it.
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erratic
September 1, 2016 at 2:40 AM
Does bone-rank mean exactly what I think it means? -.-'
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Lindy
September 1, 2016 at 4:09 AM
In many historical cultures the marriage of So and Yeonwha wouldn't have been regarded as incestuous at all and I guess Goryeo was one of these. An incestuous marriage would be between children with the same mother not with the same father. This was considered to be a "blood" relationship as the children shared the same womb and thus the same blood. I'm not suggesting that the citizens of 10th century Goryeo didn't understand the role of the father in conception: it's just that siblings from the same father weren't considered to have a blood relationship in the same way siblings from the same mother were.
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97 Viki
August 31, 2016 at 8:47 PM
I'm still enjoying this because of Lee Junki's character. I'm not even a fan of LJK and I have only watched him in My Girl but I gotta admit he's very charismatic in this drama that it's grabbing my attention!
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98 Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 9:43 PM
I posted this upthread as a reply but wanted to know if others think this might be a possibility so reposting. It seems a strange choice to me that the writers are clearly making Lady Hae and 8th prince Wook affectionate and caring to one another, so that any interference from Su (who has been betrayed herself and should know how it feels) would make many in the audience uneasy and uncomfortable with that relationship.
However, there are a few things we know that might muddy the waters here. Lady Hae is childless. She might be incapable of bearing children and that would not do for a prince's wife. He would need to take a concubine. Who better than his wife's young cousin (keep a potential child in her family bloodline) and someone she clearly already loves and would get along well with?
I think we might find that Wook and wife brought Su into the home precisely to see if she would suit. I don't think that would include Wook falling in love with Su - clearly Lady Hae would be uncomfortable with that - but the design might be there. And that would not be thought beneath Su - concubines to princes were most often ladies with good lineages.
Wook seems to have some kind of history with Su even before she arrives in character, Lady Hae is childless - I think there might be something in this.
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 9:57 PM
Just to add, and I can't remember so might be wrong on this, but doesn't Wook bring Su to court to "nurse" his wife right after she loses another child in childbirth? Coincidence or not?
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YY
August 31, 2016 at 10:15 PM
I think she'll expire pretty soon...she looks sick, and that'll pave the way for that beautiful, beautiful, incredibly charming , wait, what was I saying, oh, yes, husband of hers to court Hae Su properly. But I suppose she'll spurn his love since she's obviously going to be with LJK.
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:24 PM
Much as I'm uncomfortable with it, I don't think Wook-Su shippers should give up hope because she's supposed to be with LJK. I didn't see the original drama, but did look up the original story, and it's quite possible she'll be with more than one - sequentially of course, not at the same time!
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YY
August 31, 2016 at 10:49 PM
That's why I'm loving this drama, it's turning everything on its head for me. I went into this show, rooting for LJK and IU, but never, ever thought I'd be so drawn to the KHN-IU pairing. It's strange, there's no conflict between who I want her to be with, because there is just so much going on whether she's with one or the other. When she's with Ha-neul, I can't see her with anyone but Ha-neul. When she's with LJK, I can't see her with anyone but LJK. That's something new for me, because I root for the main leads in all the other korean dramas I've watched, because to me, there's no point rooting for the second male lead, he's never going to end up with her anyway. But this time, it's different, and I think it's due to the incredible chemistry between KHN and IU, when he's with her, he just steps into leading man boots for me. Nothing else matters. Then the scene ends, she's with LJK, and I just shift into LJK leading-man mode, and it's been like that for all three episodes so far.
erratic
September 1, 2016 at 2:41 AM
The distraction is 100% understandable. Lol.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 10:05 PM
That's quite plausible - Su is a distant relative of Lady Hae so she has the blood connection and is of good family, and the apparent lack of other relatives means no potential power plays (alliteration lol) from her birth family if she does become the concubine of an imperial prince.
I definitely got the feeling there was history of some kind - not necessarily romantic - between Wook and previous-Su the minute he broke in her door to meet present-Su for the first time. Something in the way he looked at her, I think.
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:12 PM
Yes, I don't think it was romantic before, at least not on his part, but if she was already a prospective sexual and familial partner, one can see his interest would have been there already, and it is now turning somewhat romantic because he really it becoming romantically interested as well. What's more, he doesn't seem to think his wife will mind when he says he looks forward to seeing Su when he isn't with her. I don't think Lady Hae foresaw anything romantic happening - just an association of convenience and compatability. If, of course, that's what's going on.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 10:39 PM
I wonder if the drama will ever state that openly, though, that that was part of the original reason she was brought in?
Lady Hae isn't long for this world and we know it, but I somehow doubt we're ever going to get an open acknowledgement of such an arrangement. Still, it's fun to speculate.
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:45 PM
Is she dying or just weak? I certainly got the impression that she's not particularly well but had no idea she was dying.
pogo
August 31, 2016 at 10:55 PM
That cough in Lady Hae's introduction scene seems to be presented as a potential tubercular cough - basically a death sentence in those years, even if she's only weak now and not yet coughing blood.
seoqueen
August 31, 2016 at 10:11 PM
Oh, the irony of Su being betrayed by her closest friend and bf, telling the "dream" to Lady Hae, and yet the same history is being repeated here to Lady Hae by Su herself. Perhaps this is some weird karma kicking some ass 1,000 years later.
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:15 PM
I know, right? And the make-up parallel was there too. Weird if Lady Hae turned out to be a former incarnation of the cheating girlfriend of the present, but I don't think so because the two don't look anything alike, and it seems you retain your body in your reincarnated state - at least in this drama!
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PakalanaPikake
September 1, 2016 at 9:19 PM
@Barbrey, @pogo,
Plausible is exactly the word that came to mind in answer to your question re: bringing Hae-Su into the household. #8 hasn't produced any viable heirs yet, and that is a significant part of his job description. Keeping the distaff line in his wife's family makes perfect sense. As an added bonus, there's the emotional closeness between the two women.
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99 Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:04 PM
Something I wanted to ask if anyone knows: some of these princes - like the tenth and thirteenth princes - seem switched around in age. Tenth prince seems younger than thirteenth, for instance. I'm a bit confused about the numbering system. Does it go in birth order, or in order of how close you are to the throne (and therefore who your mother is - a queen or concubine - matters to the order)?
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 10:10 PM
That's a good question - I assumed they went by birth order. Knowing that the actor for 10 is two years older than the actor for 13 despite 13's more mature appearance and demeanour probably contributed to that impression tbqh.
Thinking about it, I feel like they do go by birth order. #3, #4 and #14 are all sons of the same queen, and if it really went according to queenly rank then Fourteenth prince wouldn't be #14, maybe? He'd have a higher-up number.
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:18 PM
True - though doesn't one of them say he was born the same year as So, and I think he was quite far down. Maybe even Wook - 8th. Can't remember which one but it was in the first episode.
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 10:26 PM
Yeah, if So and Wook were born in the same year, does that mean Princes #5, 6 and 7 were born in between to different wives/concubines?
It's possible that So is #4 because he was born earlier in the year, I'm going to go with that for now. Goryeo birth orders are confusing!
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:41 PM
Jinx, Pogo. See below.
pogo
August 31, 2016 at 10:53 PM
Got it! Still super confusing, though - thank goodness I'm not a royal.
Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:32 PM
Just saw silentbeluga's post and she answered it. Wook and So were born in the same year. 8th prince and 4th prince. So I'm thinking now that mothers might have had something to do with the order. It seems like Wook and his sister's mother was the king's concubine that he then made a queen - Wook at least had already been born by then. But who knows. I mean, where are 5th 6th and 7th - maybe he had a lot of concubines and all of them were born in the same year!
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whilethemusiclasts
August 31, 2016 at 10:45 PM
I'm pretty certain they're going by age. 14th prince has called 10th prince hyung. Which is why 10th prince keeps being made fun of, being so childlike and tiny despite being older than 13 and 14. And yes, Baekhyun is indeed older than both Nam Joohyuk and Jisoo.
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PakalanaPikake
September 1, 2016 at 9:52 PM
@Barbrey,
No one has mentioned infant mortality -- aside from Queen Yu when she was throwing her hissy fit when hubby told her he was marrying another queen: their eldest son had recently died. I think he was the missing #2.
There's been no mention of #1 Mu's mother that I can remember. She may have died in childbirth after he was born or during a later pregnancy.
#s 5, 6, 7, 11, 12, and 15 and following remain off screen. I'd be willing to bet that all of them up to 15 died young, especially if multiple births or contagious disease were involved. That's not even counting skullduggery on the part of competing moms, and truly accidental deaths.
As for the offspring of concubines vs. queens consort, how do they get numbered?
I find it hard to believe that the king has only one daughter...
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Barbrey
September 3, 2016 at 3:05 PM
Very possible infant mortality or just the missing princes dying young.
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100 whilethemusiclasts
August 31, 2016 at 10:38 PM
I don't know if this has been pointed out already, but my issue with the directing is that sometimes it feels like a stage play. Everything is so staged, rehearsed. Which isn't bad during choreographed fight scenes, of course, but simple dialogue scenes get the same treatment. Especially during scenes where all the brothers are in the same room. The actors keep having to wait for their turn to deliver their lines, and it always feels unnaturally staged.
Am I the only one who feels this way? Like, it's so weird to me that a prince has to stand up or walk to the center or move an arm before he can speak his line. It's weird. Real people don't wait for stage directions before they do something. And even in actual stage plays, you do this as subtly as possible.
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Barbrey
August 31, 2016 at 10:43 PM
No, you're not the only one who feels this way. It's like they want to make sure each prince gets his allotted time and it feels staged. This could have been avoided with better direction. It's like the director doesn't know how to direct a group scene.
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whilethemusiclasts
August 31, 2016 at 10:48 PM
Hahaha. Exactly. "So many princes in one room?! Whatever am I gonna do???"
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pogo
August 31, 2016 at 11:03 PM
It could have worked if the princes were all being played by sageuk veterans who have the body language and tone down, but to have that kind of obvious staging being played out by rookie actors who are far from adept at the technical aspects of sageuk, just makes it come off more staged than ever.
(also damn I comment way too much)
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PakalanaPikake
September 1, 2016 at 9:56 PM
(also damn I comment way too much)
And I for one, my dear pogo, am very glad you contribute many thoughtful and thought-provoking comments.
Fire away! ;-)
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youcallitwinter
September 1, 2016 at 3:58 AM
That's exactly the vibe I got as well initially, especially in the first few scenes of all the princes together. It felt like a street play to me, with the banter going from one end of the room to the other, which isn't made any better by their power rangers garb. Thankfully the third episode was much, much better on that front.
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Vira
September 1, 2016 at 9:33 AM
I second you on it's like seing a stage play, it does looks fabricated. The directing & editing in this drama imo was rather poor, eg. the scene when LJK pulls IU from his horse, how come she is higher than LJK itself? I was like WTF, there's no way she could get that high, she was being pulled, not jumping or even flying, lol.
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jerboa83
September 1, 2016 at 5:32 PM
Nicely pointed-out. I had the same impression.
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PakalanaPikake
September 1, 2016 at 10:04 PM
@whilethemusiclasts,
Have you noticed that it happens in fight scenes, too (and not just in this drama). One guy, Our Hero, is surrounded by a bunch of other guys -- but instead of simultaneously attacking (as was the case with the defrocked monks/assassins in this episode), they attack one after the other. Wouldn't it make more sense to all attack at once? Oh, right, that didn't work against #4, did it? ('m wondering if there's some secret sageuk swordfighting protocol... Or ritualized good sportsmanship?
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