Uncontrollably Fond: Episode 6
by LollyPip
We finally get to see events from Eul’s point of view, and with messy emotions flying everywhere, it’s no wonder the poor girl is so upset and confused. Both Joon-young and Ji-tae are bundles of contradictions, and untangling the truth isn’t easy when the players barely understand their own emotions.
EPISODE 6 RECAP
Joon-young helps Eul escape after the concert, and he drives around the city aimlessly. He doesn’t know where he’s going, but he warns her not to ask to be let out, because he’s not stopping the car.
Ji-tae joins his father at the gym, explaining that he’s been out listening to a friend whine. He says that this “friend” and that friend’s younger brother both like the same girl, but the friend’s father has an ill-fated relationship with the girl’s family.
Sadly, he says that his friend is forced to give up on the girl. But his face hardens again when he continues that his friend’s brother ran away with the girl, and he ruefully agrees when Dad says it sounds like the plot of a drama. Ji-tae proposes they skip the workout today, and asks Dad to buy him a drink instead.
Joon-young and Eul end up on a pier, and Eul says they should drive into the ocean: “Let’s drown. I don’t want to live.” She calls Joon-young a coward for not doing it, so he guns the motor, and she quickly turns off the car. She tells him to die alone if he wants, and gets out to walk.
Joon-young ignores a call from Gook-young and turns off his phone, and follows Eul to a little country store. She plops down on the beach and starts chugging soju, not realizing that she dropped her phone in the car and Jik and Na-ri are frantically trying to reach her.
Na-ri reads online that Joon-young’s fans are threatening to kill Eul, so he calls Haru to warn her not to touch Noh Eul. He threatens to crush anyone who even posts malicious comments about Eul, including Haru herself, and when she says she’ll call the police on him he just gives her his address, ha.
Of course Haru calls Daddy to complain about the meanie threatening her, but Ji-tae answers his phone. She hangs up, unwilling to tell her brother anything about Joon-young, and Dad is pretty drunk so the men head home.
Joon-young watches from a distance as Eul kills several bottles of soju, then belatedly realizes her phone is missing. Pfft, she looks in her shoe, then in the soju bottles, and Joon-young finally rolls his eyes and turns his own phone back on to give to her.
Ji-tae’s mom fusses at him for letting Dad drink, and he answers a call from an unfamiliar number that turns out to be a drunk-dial from Eul. She slurs that it was so hard for her to pretend not to like him, and asks why he was so nice to her anyway, buying food and clothes when he didn’t even have any money.
She’s crying by the time she gets to his two rejections, one of them public, and poor Joon-young looks like listening to all this is just killing him. Eul wails into the phone for a minute, then flips to anger, “What makes you so special??” She starts comparing him unfavorably to Joon-young, but then she flips again and begs him to just think about it.
Ji-tae barely holds it together, listening to her beg him to date her, and Joon-young has enough and takes the phone away. Eul tries to grab the phone back, but Joon-young yells that she’s made enough of a fool of herself for one day.
When she grabs for it again he throws it into the ocean, and on his end, Ji-tae is shaking so hard he looks like he’ll fall apart. He looks down at his unconscious father, and grinds out, “It’s your fault. Because of what you did, I can’t be with Eul.”
Eul orders Joon-young to go get the phone (she thinks it was hers), but Joon-young snaps to get it herself. She starts to walk into the ocean, so Joon-young tosses her over his shoulder to carry her back up the beach, both of them screaming in frustration.
Joon-young drops Eul on the beach, but picks her right back up by the coat to ask, “Don’t you see me? Think of what I did for you! Don’t you see me?!” But Eul just whines for Ji-tae, so Joon-young kicks her in the butt. HAHA. She kind of deserved that.
Eul wakes in the morning with a massive hangover, in an unfamiliar room and wearing what look like a country ajumma’s clothes. Sure enough, she’s been put up in a little inn near the beach, and the ajumma brings her some hangover soup and tsks over how much she drank last night.
She tells Eul that she walked into the ocean then threw up on herself last night, and that her husband had a hell of a time helping her change. Husband? Eul is horrified at the idea that Joon-young undressed her, but she doesn’t remember anything from the night before.
She gets her phone from the car and charges it in a store, and the news this morning says that she and Joon-young eloped after the concert. She’s recognized, and she hilariously adopts the wrong dialect to claim that she grew up here.
She takes a bus home and calls Jik, who pretends he’s at school and has no idea what’s been happening. He’s lying through his teeth, but he can’t tell his sister he didn’t sleep a wink all night or she’ll be even more upset. But he’s prepared to beat the crap out of Joon-young when he sees him.
Eul wonders why Ji-tae didn’t try to call her even once, but a memory surfaces of the night before — Joon-young piggybacking her while she moans over Ji-tae’s rejection. Joon-young is whining too, “I’m Shin Joon-young, I deserve better than this!” And then she barfs on him.
Ji-tae is particularly grouchy during a business meeting, ignoring Eul’s calls but obviously shaken by them. He accuses the man making the presentation of playing while overworking his employees, handing over the project to another executive and ignoring yet another call from Eul.
Gook-young calls Eul looking for Joon-young, since his phone is in the ocean, but she hasn’t seen him today either. She claims that he’s the one who dragged her away, calling him a sneaky jerk, but another memory of the night before surfaces — this time Joon-young is cleaning her face of vomit and asking the ajumma to change her clothes.
But he shot himself in the foot by claiming they were married, and the job falls to him. He looks supremely nervous, and it’s worsened by the fact that Eul is still whining about Ji-tae.
Over at Mom’s restaurant, her employees are taking advantage of the scandal to post more hateful comments online. Mom herself seems distracted and uninterested, but Gook-young arrives to yell at them both and threaten to sue. Mom takes the responsibility and tells him to sue her, instead.
Joon-young’s agent loses his temper and gets in a shouting match with Mom, who accuses him of being responsible for making Joon-young an actor (calling him a ddandara, which is an insulting way of saying “entertainer”). The agent argues that he’s not a ddandara, he’s a Hallyu star, and any other mother would be thanking him right now. He grumbles that her bad personality explains why Joon-young is the way he is.
Ajusshi comes flying in to defend Mom’s honor, but before anyone gets hurt Mom tells Ajusshi to let go of him. She yells at everyone to just leave Joon-young alone, but Gook-young is all We have to find him first!”
Mom goes outside for some fresh air and finally lets herself worry about Joon-young. She wonders where he is, and who the girl is that he’s with. She gets a text from a friend that Assemblyman Choi Hyun-joon was at the concert, and she doesn’t know that from a nearby car, Choi’s wife is watching her.
In flashback we see Assemblyman Choi conducting a business meeting, which he cuts short when he sees a woman who looks like Joon-young’s mother. He calls her by Mom’s name, but the woman claims to be “Madam Song,” and gives him her business card to come see her at her new business in Cheongdamdong.
When Eul gets back to Seoul, Na-ri tells her about the rumors flying around, that Joon-young only agreed to do the documentary because she’s blackmailing him. Eul thinks that’s nonsense, but her face is all over the internet regardless, and Na-ri helps her work on a disguise.
Gook-young calls Eul again, now accusing her of lying about not knowing where Joon-young is. She yells (while Na-ri tries unsuccessfully to shush her) that she doesn’t know, and to call the police if he’s that worried.
Haru hunts down Jik to ask how he knows Eul, and why he’s so determined to protect her. He skirts the question and refuses to tell Haru where Eul is, even when Haru whines that she’s worried Eul did something to Joon-young. He picks up Haru and tosses her in the dumpster, telling her to leave her trashy thoughts in there, ha.
Eul’s ridiculous disguise does more to draw attention than deflect it, and Gook-young is still calling her. She recalls another memory, of getting up the previous night to throw up again, and seeing Joon-young washing her filthy clothes outside in the cold. Awww.
She tells Gook-young again that really and truly, she hasn’t seen Joon-young since last night, but that his car was on the pier so she figures he’s driven himself home by now. She sends Gook-young the location where Joon-young left his car.
There are reporters swarming outside Na-ri’s place, forcing Eul to hide behind a car. Ji-tae sneaks up on her and quietly leads her to their restaurant to feed her. He takes off her floppy hat and sunglasses and gives her his ball cap, and Eul calls him a coward for running away last night.
Ji-tae meekly agrees that he’s a coward, and that he should be ashamed of himself. He admits that he’s as confused as she is, and wonders if he should have gotten her hangover soup. Eul asks how he knew she drank last night, and he says that she drunk-dialed him from Joon-young’s phone.
He asks if Joon-young was there, but Eul doesn’t remember calling him at all. She asks what she said, and Ji-tae nervously says he doesn’t remember, either. He steps outside to take a call from Jung-eun, and tells her he’s in a meeting.
Someone told Jung-eun that they saw Ji-tae at Joon-young’s concert, but he denies having the time for such things. Jung-eun says the friend must be mistaken, all the while looking at a photo that clearly shows Ji-tae holding Eul’s arm outside the theater.
Inside, Eul is berating herself, clearly remembering her whiny pleading call to Ji-tae last night. She also remembers waking in the night to find Joon-young lying next to her, watching her sleep. She’d turned over with her back to him, and Joon-young had softly wondered, “What should I do? The weird girl who turned her back to me, won’t even cast me a glance. Instead she wants the guy who abandoned her.”
He’d muttered that he’s Shin Joon-young, and wondered if he should comfort her, or threaten to hit her. He doesn’t know she’s lying awake, listening to him ask if he should take her to a doctor, questioning if he was too late. “Should I give up and send you to that guy?”
Ji-tae goes back inside to find Eul gone and his hat on the table — she grabs a taxi and goes all the way back to where she last saw Joon-young (and ouch, that cab fee). His car is still there on the pier, as is Gook-young, who says that nobody in the area has seen Joon-young.
Eul is genuinely concerned now, but Gook-young says he hasn’t called the police because that would trigger a huge media storm. He turns on Eul, accusing her of killing Joon-young for his watch, heh, and she just threatens to kill Gook-young as well. He hits a little closer to home when he brings up Joon-young’s public confession and Eul’s equally public rejection, saying that Joon-young is nothing without his pride.
Eul heads back to the ajumma’s place where she spent the night, but the ajumma hasn’t seen him either. Eul goes into their room to look for any clues, and she sits in the dark, worried that she may have said something in her drunken state to cause Joon-young to do something to himself.
Another memory surfaces, of Eul waking in the early hours to see Joon-young sitting next to her. She imagines him there now, and sees what he must have been looking at — a picture of a nearby island. She asks the ajumma how to get there, and waits outside the ferry office, huddled under newspapers for warmth.
She ends up asking a local fisherman for a ride, and by morning she’s running all over the island calling Joon-young’s name. But he’s nowhere to be found, and she calls Gook-young, who by now is crying with worry. But at that exact moment Eul spots Joon-young sitting on an overlook, fast asleep.
She yells at him for sleeping when everyone is worried sick about him, complaining about everything she did to find him when he was fine all along (“I got bitten by a seagull!” HA). Joon-young doesn’t say a word but stands to walk away, and Eul cuts him off, asking if he thinks this is a dream.
She says that she’s really here right now, but Joon-young still just stares at her. Eul reaches out to pinch him and he stops her hand, and just says one word… “Go.”
He’s serious, and he tells Eul again to get out of his sight. He walks past her, leaving her standing there, stunned.
COMMENTS
This was definitely Eul’s episode, and I appreciated getting to see a bit more of things from her point of view. As far as Joon-young goes, she only knows him as the arrogant bully who made her life miserable, popped up again in college to ask for a contract dating situation, then disappeared without a word of explanation. Then he became famous and seemed to forget her. So it’s no wonder that his showing up again now is vastly confusing, when he’s asking her to date him as if nothing ever happened and making public confessions that turn her life upside down. As drama-watchers we know they’re “fated,” but from Eul’s perspective, Joon-young is this odd bundle of contradictions who has no problem disrupting her entire life then poofing away without notice. I don’t blame the girl for being extremely wary of Joon-young’s motivations.
On the other hand, Ji-tae represents everything Joon-young is not, and everything Eul lost when her father died — he’s consistent, caring, and is always there for her when she needs him. Even though he presents himself as unemployed, he’s still a much better prospect for someone in Eul’s position, because if nothing else Ji-tae offers stability. And she really does seem to like Ji-tae, though it feels more like hero-worship and familiarity tied up in his comforting presence, than any deeply romantic feelings. I definitely think that his feelings towards her run deeper and stronger than hers towards him, it’s just that she’s a lot freer and more vocal about how she feels, simply because she can afford to be.
And poor Ji-tae… he’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. He really is a good person, and it’s obvious that he truly cares for Eul and her brother a lot, and would give anything to be able to marry Eul and take care of them both. But his father’s tampering with their father’s death has him terrified of Eul ever finding out who he truly is, and he’s sure that either way, he’ll lose her. Normally I don’t buy into the “I don’t deserve her” attitude of drama characters, but in this case, I think that Ji-tae truly believes that because of his father, he has no right to dare to be with Eul. His father feels no remorse for covering up her father’s true killer, and not only that, but he’s agreed to marry her (because, I’m sure, if he can’t have Eul then he doesn’t care who he marries), so he’s taken on that guilt both for his father and for himself.
The ironic thing for Eul is that in her mind, Ji-tae is the open book while Joon-young is the one hiding his true motivations — but in truth, things couldn’t be more opposite. Ji-tae is hiding so many secrets, and he’s actively and continuously lying to her, while Joon-young is pretty much laying his heart right at her feet. It’s just in Joon-young’s nature to be evasive and secretive, but he’s genuinely trying his hardest to show Eul that he’s serious, that he truly has feelings for her and he really does want to be with her. That public confession said it all — while it put Eul in the spotlight, it was also his way of declaring his feelings in front of the world, so she couldn’t brush them off as a joke.
And I do think that Eul has lingering feelings for Joon-young left over from their school days, it’s just that they never had time to mature before they were separated again. She hasn’t carried a torch like Joon-young has done for years, so she’s basically starting from scratch. I’m guessing that his disappearance and rejection of her concern will probably trigger Eul to realize that she does care about him — at least, I hope so, for Joon-young’s sake. He could really use a friend right now, one that doesn’t have something to gain by being around him.
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1 Callie
July 22, 2016 at 8:10 PM
Can they stay on that island forever??? Cause it's effin' gorgeous.
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Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 8:50 PM
Is that the Snake Island from Running Man Zodiac Rac.. oh my god I can't believe I'm remembering individual Running Man episodes now.
Not good.
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shinayame
July 22, 2016 at 11:07 PM
I thought it was too! If it makes you feel any better, that was a good episode.
I watch 1 Night 2 Days now and then and it's always a bit of a surprise to me how beautifully maintained all their tiny islands are, like even though, most people won't have heard of them, they're just ready made tourist getaways waiting for the most adventurous of the lot, like miniature Holy Grails.
If I ever get to Korea, I want to spend some time going around to all the islands and just walking around.
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submonkey
July 23, 2016 at 1:22 AM
Same place from "You From Another Star" where they both jumped and she thought he took her to another planet.
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2 cindy
July 22, 2016 at 8:17 PM
mlfas island!! :)
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rainhana
July 25, 2016 at 2:31 PM
omg yes!!! i was so excited when i recognized it ?
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3 JoyCB
July 22, 2016 at 8:31 PM
drunk Eul is the best hahaha i dont know really whats gonna happen coz their lives are so twisted. i just think that Eul's little brother is super cute!
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mary
July 22, 2016 at 10:29 PM
I love her brother too! He won't take sh*t from Haru.
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JesO
July 22, 2016 at 11:04 PM
I love him too. He so incredibly sweet and loyal and Eul's devotion to him is anything but onesided. He reminds me so much of my brothers that every time I see him on screen I want to drop what I'm doing and call them.
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harukogirl
July 23, 2016 at 9:08 PM
Awwwww!
Yeah, I agree with you - it's such a refreshing change from drama where the older sibling is all protect-sacrifice-give-give-give and the younger sibling is a selfish, spoiled, entitled brat. Little bro here has such much character, and is such a well-written, complex character that he is one of my favorites :D.
Also, I totally get you on the needing to call your own little brothers front - I feel the same way! I got lucky with my brothers too... <3
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Nami
July 22, 2016 at 11:17 PM
+1
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4 Ghee
July 22, 2016 at 8:35 PM
I can't seem comprehend why do PD-nim needs Eul character to screaming, screeches and howling A LOT like werewolf seek for a full moon.
Poor Suzy, at that moment her throat must be sore.
And in this eps. whyyyyy less Woobieeeee?? the only reason I stay is him :(
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Yourin
July 23, 2016 at 1:53 AM
Ahh I feel the same too. I hate why eul always have to scream, even in public area like in the restaurant or shop. She act like some crazy noisy disturbing girl. I don't know if the director required her to do this, or this is how she portrayed eul's character. Anyway, i don't find any charm in her character if she keep screaming and screaming.
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TJ
July 23, 2016 at 8:44 AM
The screaming and whining gets on my last nerve. It's why I couldn't watch Kiss Me/Kill Me. I have no idea why anyone would want to hang around someone that does that constantly. I'm having a hard time caring what happens to her because she's so annoying.
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5 stuffed
July 22, 2016 at 8:41 PM
Thanks Lollypip. Reading your recap helped me make sense of Eul's actions and reactions.
Ep 6 was a bit of turn off for many and I thought the plot moved pretty slowly. But then again the whole thing somehow makes sense considering the number of conflicts we're presented. I usually don't care much for makjang dramas but I think I've become emotionally invested in these characters.
Oh and can I just say that I freakin love this drama's OSTs? I'm always happy when a kdrama uses English songs because at least I've got something I can understand without having to rely on the subs ?
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bips99
July 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM
Its a complete majang, We now have a mistress who looks like JY's mother !!!! How did they even come up with that ? And why ?
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bigmomma12345
July 22, 2016 at 9:31 PM
I couldn't quite figure out if that was really JY's mom in a flashback or is it was a look-a-like.
This show doesn't always do a great job of clearly announcing time shifts (I was totally confused in episode 2 when they hd the flashback within a flashback of Eul seing JY with another girl). But then it was obvious in this episode when Eul was remembering the previous nights activities.
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Adal
July 23, 2016 at 10:29 AM
I think the whole purpose of the scene of JY's mom's look alike is to explain why the prosecutor was visiting the night club/ bar/ hostess scene five years ago. Apparently JY's mom was the love of his life, he never really got over her since she ran away and he's been searching for her ever since. I get the impression that his marriage is an arranged one, and while his relationship with his wife is amicable, he never truly loved her.
So he finds a JY's mom's look alike in a bar and frequents it, hoping to rekindle his first love, No Eul gets wind of it and blackmails him, and then the accident happens . This drama is fuzzy with timelines, so I am filling in the blanks with my imagination.
I suspect that Ji Tae's mom is behind the hit and run of No Eul's accident. She knows who JY and his mother is, and she keeps tabs on her husband. She was in the car when No Eul's phone call to her husband went through, she may have dispatched some of her minions to take care of No Eul so she doesn't stand in the way of her husband's campaign . She's obviously the one with the money in their marriage. I can't wait to see if I am right amount any of my conjectures.
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shinayame
July 23, 2016 at 11:17 AM
Are we really sure that was a flashback? Because why would Ji Tae's mom remember something that happened to Ji Tae's dad when she wasn't even around? I didn't know it was a flashback until I read about it here, I just thought it was a regular scene.
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coolbeans
July 23, 2016 at 12:01 PM
I get the impression that it's a regular scene too. I don't think it's a flashback. I think it's current day, and dad's going about his day when he does a double-take of that lookalike (who eerily looks a LOT like JY's mom!! how did they find an actress that looks so similar?!) by the elevator. My impression is that that scene is supposed to give us a sense of how much he truly cared for and loved JY's mom. That she wasn't just some other random woman in his life.
harukogirl
July 23, 2016 at 9:13 PM
Yeah, my read was that the scene was present day, but he had had a relationship with look-a-like 5 years ago because of her resemblance to JY's mom. She was the hostess he ws filmed with (or one of them - I bet all of them looked like JY's mom) for the same reasons Adal laid out.
So - past relationship with look-a-like, scene in the present day to tell us that he is still hung up on JY's mom.
Callie
July 22, 2016 at 9:36 PM
For real tho, was that the actress that plays JY's mother in makeup, another actress in makeup, or did they really find a doppelganger that looked just enough like her, but sliiiightly different so it was obvious that it wasn't her, but understandable for Ji Tae's dad to get them confused???
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Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 9:59 PM
I'm stuck on the same in-between thing as you - doesn't look quite like the same actress, but so uncannily close that if it's not her in makeup it's spooky.
Anyone know if the actress has got a sister?
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sobohomom
July 24, 2016 at 6:43 AM
I'm sure that she's the same actress with different make-up! All credit is due to the make up artist...
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6 Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 8:42 PM
Halfway through the episode I buried my head in my hands and just groaned "Oh no. Oh NO. She's... AWFUL."
That was, um, terrible. I thought Suzy's portrayal of Eun as a kind of surface-level individual was character bravado. You know, something like "well you all tell me I'm not worth anything, so I'm just going to act bluntly and shamelessly and you can't complain because you wrote me off". I thought it was a deliberate choice, that it was Eun putting up a front. But dear lord, it's not, it's just how Suzy acts. That scene on the phone with Nampyeon should have been heartbreaking, but it was empty and had me cringing. That should have been the place where we saw through to Real Eul, but it turns out there's no Real Eul. There's just this loud, dense creature who whines petulantly in the same sing-song cadence that is going to make me insane.
The writers didn't help by making Eul do stupid things. In the first episode, we saw her disguise herself to film illegal dumping. She knows how to fly under the radar, and yet here we're supposed to think she would wear that stupid neon hat? And where is she getting these shallow plates of water to put her face into? Is that a thing now? And you just jumped in a TAXI for a $400 ride? How?! You're dead broke! Jik will never taste meat again! So now we have a character who has no internal logic, played by an actress with absolutely no depth or layering.
I will be stunned if W doesn't roar head of UF in the ratings battle. Woo Bin, I am really sorry, you deserve better. Because with a different girl cast in this role, it could've been interesting.
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windsun33
July 22, 2016 at 9:04 PM
I am not quite as negative about the show and Suzy, but close. Not sure how much is her character and much is her acting. But overall her character is striking me as psycho-nuts. She does some really stupid things for no apparent reason. She complains about not being able to afford ramen, then does that $400 taxi ride. Bad writing? I dunno at this point, but for me the drama is all over the place.
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skylove07
July 23, 2016 at 12:04 AM
I think the $400 ride is to show how precious junyeong is in her heart, that she willing to spend the money for him
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Tyn123
July 22, 2016 at 9:21 PM
I still think she's more than just the surface, remembering her heavyness from ep 1 or whenever she is alone dealing with her lot in life, Suzy was very good in these scenes. But NE had always been way more vocal about everything since child hood so her actions aren't that unusual.
Agreed on the stupid disguise, she needs better advice than from Nari. The writer forgot who the character is so she makes thse stupid mistakes for comedy purposes.
The 400 cab ride was suppose to show her concern for JY, for someone as money concerned as she is to have jumped in a cab because it was the fastest form of travel means JY was very important to her.
I don't think the phone call to JT was supposed to be that sad, I did feel bad for her and JT throughout the whole phone call, she was drunk though so her actions are not how she would normally behave.
And people really should stop whining about W. Ratings does nit indicate the good from the bad. Insane plots or much ado about nothing plots lime Heirs, DOTS, YECFAS, Full House, Coffee Prince etc all got good ratings and I didn't even finish one of those.
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bips99
July 22, 2016 at 9:49 PM
See, either the phone call had to be sad and heart touching OR it had to be comic drunk NE. But it was neither. It was a confession of sorts so it has to convey some sentiments right ? but it ended up as her just yelling in a sharp pitch. Thats why it was bad acting. it was completely devoid of any emotion
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BC
July 23, 2016 at 5:47 AM
I'm watching all the dramas when I can't sleep and when the subtitles are up. It's around 2am so I have the sound always turned off. That's why I couldn't relate to those who don't like screaming actresses like Hwang Jung Eum (complaining about her faked voice like in Lucky Romance was totaly in place and it really ruined the feel of it but watching it mute was ok) unless I can't wait for subtitles and watch it raw at 5pm skipping trough the episode for 15 minutes. I was kind of nicely surprised by Suzy's acting because she didn't study it or took some courses like most of those agency trainees do. I'll better to continue to watch it mute, so I can enjoy it more. ;-)
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June
July 27, 2016 at 12:18 PM
I use earphones.. think it is wise to keep earphones away for this show. But then you can hear Kim Woo Bin's voice..
Suzy does come across as bland in this drama. I find her alright in dream high and gu family book. I think preproduced can only work for experienced actors. Live may work better for her so she has chance to change..
June
July 27, 2016 at 12:19 PM
Can't hear.. opps.. typo
Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 9:57 PM
Eul has been consistently shown as someone who puts Jik above all other concerns - that's why I have an absolutely impossible time thinking she would take a $400 cab ride. That's like denying yourself a new shirt for months and then suddenly buying haute couture. No middle ground.
I'm hardly whining about W, it's just the KWB/LJS head-to-head thing that's got people talking. But you're right, ratings does not indicate what's good. It's totally possible this show will skyrocket while W will falter, because if Yong Pal and I Remember You have taught me anything, it's that the Korean viewing audience are a total mystery to me.
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bips99
July 22, 2016 at 10:30 PM
Comparisons are inevitable, look at BM and doctors.
Same here, though i love woobie far far more than LJS, if i had to choose, i would pick W too.
@Miranda , as far as ratings go, i think its a common phenomenon around the world not specific to korean audience. The more mainstream, following a fixed format shows always do better than anything out of the ordinary.
In India, 90% of the TV are this weepy, misogynist, shows that basically centre around the new bride and the DIL and their kitchen politics. in an interview, one of the biggest channels head said that they made these shows so that women don't have to be glued to the TV and could do housework simultaneously and not miss any plot point (what plot?). Go figure.
So every country has their local "flavours" but largely anything too out of the box will most probably get lower ratings.
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rowanharper
July 22, 2016 at 11:14 PM
Your comment made me think about American viewers. The concept of W would do really well in the states I think. Marvel comics has been hugely successful for the last several years, and W fits nicely in that vein of entertainment.
pigsnout
July 23, 2016 at 4:17 AM
Hahahaha you're Indian too? I know exactly what kind of dramas you mean, the Ekta Kapoor ones where heroines and all the women wear one inch thick foundation, full makeup and silk sari even in the kitchen. And they run for 10 years with stupid plots.
Callie
July 22, 2016 at 9:28 PM
I actually felt for her during the crying scene. Do you know korean? I've heard korean speakers complain that her enunciation is really bad, but assumed that I didn't notice it because I don't understand what she's saying. I agree that she can get a little screechy, but I'm kinda used to from actresses during crying scenes. Even Seo Hyun Jin, who I love, got a little screechy in her crying scenes in OHYA.
I didn't see that taxi ride as an illogical decision, but rather she was just really worried about Joon Young so she felt like she didn't have a choice.
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Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 9:53 PM
I know just enough Korean to be dangerous, but what made me die during the crying scene was everything else. It's going to sound weird, but... she was only acting with her face. Her face was screwed up and tears were forming, and her mouth was making an approximation of "I'm sad" noises, but the actual emotional content of the scene was void. There was nothing there. Everything was happening between her face and the phone.
Seo Hyun's a good example of emotive acting, where it felt like things were either being pulled out of her by the root or exploding out of her before the pressure became so great she popped. But it felt like everything was stewing inside of her and then a fragment escapes through eyes, mouth, expression. But the rest of it's still a red-hot engine inside of her. With Suzy? There's nothing there.
She's approximating what it would look like for an outside observer to see someone drunk-dial the guy who dumped them. But she's not feeling it inside, which means that all we get is the visual with no internal backup, which rings incredibly false (varying mileage for this one of course, but it's what I'm seeing).
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Callie
July 22, 2016 at 10:06 PM
I understand that. It's actually a pretty good description of her acting and how her inexperience limits her.
Oh god, when Seo Hyun Jin cried, you could feel it in your soul.
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angieya
July 23, 2016 at 2:16 AM
Miranda, how the hell do you manage to always find the words to describe things so accurate?! That's exactly how I felt in that scene from Suzy...namely nothing. lol
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June
July 27, 2016 at 12:23 PM
Miranda, +1 from me :)
That's what i feel too.
It's very sad when i actually enjoy the flashbacks scenes in early episodes more. They seem to have more emotions.
harukogirl
July 23, 2016 at 9:26 PM
I get what you're talking about (though the acting isn't bugging me - I'm just watching this for the pretty ;) ).
One of the most memorable crying scenes - ever - for me is the the one in episode 8 of "I can hear your voice" (at the 11 minute mark, if you want to check it out) when Lee Bo-young is crying at her mom's funeral. It just rips your heart out - that is NOT pretty crying, that's the kind that gives you a three hour headache.
...Now I want to re-watch "I can hear your voice" ....for the 4th time...haha
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sobohomom
July 24, 2016 at 6:55 AM
I understand very little Korean, so perhaps the depths of Suzy's poor acting elude me and I think she's charming.
Anyway, for me, enjoying a drama is more about vicariously experiencing the character's adventures and interactions. Many of us can watch an inconsistent drama or read a poorly written book and thoroughly enjoy it.
Jude
July 22, 2016 at 9:56 PM
I agree that the writer does not really help Suzy case by making No Eul does stupid things. I mean this is the girl who goes around digging for other people secrets' for a job. To have her totally clueless on Disguise 101 just does not make sense and absolutely jarring with what viewers understand about her. So I can see where you're comin from.
But on the other hand I also think Suzy does a decent job in her acting as No Eul. She's not the best actress around (and I do wonder whether this drama would have more impact emotionally if another actress potrays No Eul), but in the case of UF, she's doing okay. And that scene where she drunk-dials Ji Tae is actually the first scene that I can relate emotionally (*cringe*) and for me, that's because I can feel the emotion that she delivered through the scene. Yes it gets a bit hysterical, but it also gets me a bit teary. This is why I can't get overly negative about Suzy acting. She's not perfect but for some odd reason, she manages to hit the perfect emotional note randomly from time to time that it keeps pulling me back in when I'm all ready to back off.
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ems
July 22, 2016 at 10:23 PM
I agree with you abt. Suzy. She's not bad but she's not great either. But I would like to give her credit for actually pulling off most of her important scenes in the series so far. Case in point, the drunk dialling Ahjussi scene. I don't think it was supposed to be sad. The sadness of it must come from Ji Tae - and the show hit it right when he said it was his dad's fault why he can't be with Eul. Suzy's portrayal of a whiny, childish, girl who drowns herself on soju out of heartbreak and frustration is actually funny and charming and at the same time it gives me that, "I get you girl" feels. I have girl friends and pals who are like that when they're drunk and upset which is why it was like watching it straight from real life scene. It's like that one crazy drunken night that your group of friends would just laugh about the next day after. Basically, it was the writer and director's intention to add a bit of fun in that totally awkward situation. Plus, you can't blame a girl for getting confused when one guy who's been so nice to you and your little bro turns out that he actually doesn't like you...and this guy who's been so mean to you in the past suddenly pops in now and proposes to you in public. It's like, what in the freaking world is happening?! Thanks for the recap, Dramabeans. I totally get Eul's situation more now.
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Dezzy
July 23, 2016 at 8:59 AM
I'm actually a bit confused because I didn't even "get" that the scene was supposed to be sad. I thought it was just necessary plot movement to let both guys know where her heart is so they can react and start making their moves.
If anything I thought it was supposed to be funny in a second-hand embarrassment way.
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super
July 22, 2016 at 10:58 PM
+10.
Suzy's acting (if it can be termed such) is beyond awful.
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lolalarue
July 22, 2016 at 11:07 PM
The screeching! The whining! It's so bad that I actually got fed up with her in this episode. I didn't find her crying compelling or believable. She didn't sound heartbroken over Ahjusshi at all. Sigh. So disappointing. I wonder why they'd give her a role like this that she can't really pull off. Here's to hoping the screeching tapers off as we head into makjang territory.
I still love this drama and Woo Bin is doing great work. Fingers crossed Suzy picks up her game in the remaining eps.
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Coffee
July 22, 2016 at 11:15 PM
I honestly don't think Suzy is as awful as everyone thinks in this drama. I feel like everyone just went into this drama expecting her acting to be awful and therefore their mindset is that while watching it. I think that she has improved a lot and she has a lot of chemistry with the actors.
On another note, I'm getting annoyed by all the people here comparing this to W and saying this is so much worse. They are two separate dramas that are dramatically different. One main difference in my opinion is that people went into watching these shows hoping one would fail and the other would defeat the first one. Although both were hyped up dramas, for some reason a lot of people want to see Uncontrollably Fond fail and it's affecting their perception of this drama. Both dramas are great and addicting in their own ways so don't put the other done for the sake of another.
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Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 11:25 PM
I had no preconceived Suzy-related notions, and I didn't mind her the first 5 episodes. Not great, but not terrible. But this episode shows that she's not able to singlehandedly carry emotional complexity, and that's a BIG problem.
The W comparison is because it's KWB and LJS, media-driven "rivalry". I would've been happy to root for both shows. But as it turns out, one show has inexplicably lazy writing and a performance I dislike, while the other has very clever writing and a performance I like a lot.
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wcrazed
July 22, 2016 at 11:27 PM
While I do agree with your general sentiment about not being overly negative when comparing two vastly different dramas, the comparisons for these two aren't even that much or that bad...I mean, have you gone into any post comparing BM and Doctors, and seeing all the bitter comments from people that can't seem to understand why Korean viewers prefer one vastly over another.
But, dramas that air around the same time will get compared, it's natural and especially given that these two have trendy actors competing in the same timeslot.
As for Suzy, I'm sorry, I've defended her acting before and I do think she's improved....but that episode was like ten steps back.
Also, no offense, but UF was pre produced, so, in theory, it should be a better drama or at least not have such glaring flaws as opposed to other dramas airing alongside it, which I can forgive more because live shooting is such a burden.
The expectations were obviously higher as they should be for UF given the pre production and, also, the extensive media play.
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lolalarue
July 23, 2016 at 12:07 AM
Not me. I actually have never really clocked 'bad acting' before. I watched Dream High and wasn't taken out of the narrative by any of the characters (and people had reservations about both Taecyon and Suzy). But I noticed this episode. I was taken out of the narrative. I didn't buy what Suzy was selling. That's on her and presumably the production team. Not okay.
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pigsnout
July 23, 2016 at 2:54 AM
Really? It was actually the opposite. all Suzy fans and even general drama fans thought this will be a hit and she will show good acting for once because the writer is good at roles for rookies and this is pre produced so there was enough time to get a good performance and not do live shoots.
But you can't get blood from a stone, she may be pretty but her acting is just not good. db commenters always praise idols when their acting turns out good even when they were bad before. Look at comments about Jaejoong, Changmin, Eunji, Sooyoung, Minah, Hyeri, Doojoon, Junho, even Yoona... if there is anything to praise, it's praised. Right now Suzy's acting is not even at the level of Hyeri in Reply 1988, in a pre produced drama with the role written specially for her.
I don't watch W but even I think UF is not turning out that great and the acting is not that good either.
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silverplate
July 23, 2016 at 4:39 AM
@Coffee +10000000000000000000
Get all applause, that you want, my dear.
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harukogirl
July 23, 2016 at 9:37 PM
@coffee - Personally, I think it's off-topic (and a little rude) when someone goes out of their way to discuss another show, unless it's directly related to the show being recapped somehow. The two shows in question are tonally completely different - and personally, I want them BOTH to be awesome! Much better to be able to enjoy two shows than just one! ;). I am watching both and rooting for both :D
Full disclosure to anyone reading - melos aren't my thing, usually, and I was mostly looking forward to UF for the (male) cast: I've been an Im Joo Hwan fan-girl since "Tamra, the Island."
I'm enjoying UF more than I thought I would it so far, but "W" is totally my catnip (romance, mystery-fantasy, Lee Jun suk...) so I definitely prefer W, personally. So it's not that I'm an UF fangirl or W hater or anything - I just think that episode discussions should leave off with the "but it sucks compared to such and such a drama."
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June
July 27, 2016 at 12:31 PM
Yes, let's not compare the shows, they are not even of same genre or have people in related occupations. Really don't want to see any drama war, BM slamming Doctors is giving me enough headache. Don't want to shine negative light on W. Lee Jong Suk and Kim Woo Bin are friends in real life. What do fans gain for creating rift news for their favourite actors.
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coolbeans
July 22, 2016 at 11:32 PM
+1000
That scene was wonderfully acted by Ji-tae and he barely spoke a word, in stark contrast to the surface level, screechy acting done by Suzy. She didn't make me feel ANYTHING! I wanted to feel somethinggg... angst? pity? humor? Up to this point, I haven't minded Suzy's acting at all. She's been serviceable, and actually quite likeable in some parts. I saw her in Dream High too, and always wondered why she got so much criticism because I didn't think she was that bad. But now... I get it. I really really get it.
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pigsnout
July 22, 2016 at 11:42 PM
I feel like Kim Woo Bin is also not as good in this drama as usual. But looking at his past dramas I realised he is mostly very charismatic and always has strong costars who at least can act better than this, like Lee Jong Suk, Park Shin Hye (who I didn't even like in Heirs), Lee Min Ho, Kim Ji Won, Kang Ha Neul, and even the guy playing Ji Tae's dad who was his main costar in Friend 2. Maybe he is the type who really depends on a good costar to match their level? Because looking at his past roles he isn't a bad actor, even quite good. But looks like he's not as good on his own/with a weaker costar.
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Miranda
July 23, 2016 at 8:31 AM
I'd say Woo Bin is trying, though he's got an inexplicably assy character and isn't getting much emotional content to work off of with his costar. You're right that he's better with a better costar to play off of, but that's true with a lot of actors.
People like Ji Sung are accelerators - not only are they great, consistent actors on their own, but they make their costars up their game. Woo Bin's nowhere near that level of proficiency, but at least he can hold his own and create layered characterizations, though they're often rooted in charisma (which applies to this character but can't apply to all in future).
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pigsnout
July 23, 2016 at 11:51 AM
Exactly! As an actor, his level of performance always ends up reflecting his costar's. Which is fine when the costars are all decent actors and can emote well. But when he had to be the one leading a less able costar then it doesn't work that well. Like you said he tries but the script makes his character feel like the kind I don't care about even if he has cancer.
I don't really feel any chemistry between him and Suzy either, they are good looking but in chemistry terms they feel just like the main leads of Heirs.
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Barbrey
July 23, 2016 at 1:07 AM
I will also be surprised if W doesn't go ahead of this drama. I thought UF was finally hitting its stride in ep 5, only to be presented with episode 6, which seemed almost like a filler episode. I was so detached from Eul's pain - maybe because I don't really believe in it, whether because of Suzy's acting or because I don't believe she really loves Ji Tae. I really don't know. But this episode came pretty close to making me drop the series.
I really wanted to see Eul's pubic rejection. Why didn't they show that? Weird to leave a cliffhanger in five so we're waiting with bated breath, and then not continue the scene but instead just hear she rejected him later.
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angieya
July 23, 2016 at 2:58 AM
Her acting was already unbearable to me in the previous episode (her doting on her brother, her reaction to the water splashing by Ha-roo, her non-existent emoting in the showdown between the guys where she looked more like an onlooker than the person this was all about) but since I didn't enjoy that whole episode at all while others loved it I just blamed PMS. lol
But this episode really takes the cake. That phone call scene was predominantly about her heartbreak but I didn't feel hers at all but Ji-tae's. Iirc he didn't say a word at all, just emoting through his eyes and boy did my heart break for him. Their disparity on the acting front was already obvious in their previous scenes but this one made it even more jarring. And dear writer Lee, no more drunken scenes for her, jebal!
I know Suzy's no Jeon Do-yeon and I've tried to overlook her acting and have set the bar very low from the get go but either she's getting worse with each episode or my patience is just wearing thin.
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considermyselfagod
July 23, 2016 at 4:33 AM
I must be the only one, who thinks, that IJH so far one of the weakest cast point in this drama. All his emotions come across incredible fake and I didn't by him, when NE called. He also looks fake, when he acts nice. Either it's choice or he just not good suit to play them and should stick with cold dudes. JT has no charms, so far. But, I guess it's okay. He is the second lead, it's easier overlook were they lack and praise them, even if they clearly have hard time.
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Miranda
July 23, 2016 at 9:33 AM
"Her acting was already unbearable to me in the previous episode (her doting on her brother)"
When I saw this originally it didn't bother me because I thought Suzy was portraying Eul as being deliberately, mockingly obnoxious and overbearing towards Jik. My cousin's like that - she genuinely wants to tell her son to call her after practice, but he's a teenager and tends to half-listen to what she says in a normal voice, so she ramps up the crazy to pull his attention. That way he can be horrified and amused by her insanity while also hearing her message.
After the drunk-dial scene, I'm wondering if I was too generous in that interpretation...
I'm not actually trying to slam Suzy, she wasn't on my radar at all, I started watching the show because it looked pretty and I find Woo Bin interestingly asymmetrical to look at. But an episode centered squarely on an actress who is not up to the demands of the drama? Yeah, that's going to get my attention real quick.
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coco
July 23, 2016 at 3:53 AM
in my opnion she is passable, she just not memorable either,
it's the blank and awkward movement for me,
at least kim woon bin has this eye movement and slight eye movement along with his line,
the 2nd lead, im joo hwan (?) has a gesture after saying regretful thing to emphasize his action and his whole body is not stiff,
but Suzy is stiff and has really small eye movement every time she talks, her intonation (yeah..) it's okay but imo, the line requiere more, the line can be more, the scene supposed to be more, she needs to conveyed it properly,
and I think it actually give negative impression without subs, but I feel it's good with subs because it divide my attention,
but she is sure really pretty
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missjb
July 23, 2016 at 5:16 AM
For me her crying scene is decent, better than let's just say PSH or even Eric. It's just she can't emote in anything else. Her emoting is always feel of and yess that bland expression when she is supposed to emoting GOD.. it's horrible
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diniyuukie
July 23, 2016 at 6:25 AM
Park Shin Hye is great in crying scenes . That's what I love the most about her .
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gem28
July 23, 2016 at 7:09 AM
I don't know how to pinpoint why I am having such a hard time with accepting Suzy but I just can't. I can't sympathize with her. When she was pouring her heart out to her favorite Ji-tae, I wanted to go inside the screen and dump her in the water myself. It annoyed me, it was supposed to make me warm up to her, feel for her instead what I felt was annoyance. Her acting is alright in light scenes but when she has to act as something and convey the opposite it comes out hollow. She is passable but nothing to write home about and in a melo genre that is unacceptable. She doesn't complement Kim Woo Bin when she is supposed to, their chemistry isn't there. That scene where Woo Bin is confessing, I felt nothing between them except a huge wall. See, your body needs to move even if its slightly and your eyes, Suzy doesn't have those subtle parts of acting locked down and its a miss for me.
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silverplot
July 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM
If she really suppose to make you warm? I more felt, like that scene was about JY and how humiliated herself and him. About how her drunk behavior hurt both JY and JT. So she should've annoy you, even if her words sounds pitiful.
Also, she is not really suppose somehow react to JY words.
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Miranda
July 23, 2016 at 9:43 AM
She's supposed to be relatable. Sympathizing with characters is what sucks you into dramas, and you even sympathize with the bad guys. You don't LIKE that this guy is kidnapping children, but you also sort of understand why he's reached this point, and he's probably made you feel that way through a combination of scripted backstory and the way the actor has introduced emotional layers to all of his scenes.
The thing with No Eul is that the scripted words look pitiful on the page, but with her delivery they just sound bratty. She's literally whining at him. There's no introspection going on, nothing for us to untangle watching her. Phone scenes are great because an actor can visibly show conflicted emotions to the audience while sounding completely different to their costar. Here, what you saw was what you got: a drunk girl bitching at the guy who didn't date her.
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gem28
July 24, 2016 at 1:24 AM
I said warm up to her not make me feel warm. Her surface level acting isn't working, it lacks nuance.
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jili
July 23, 2016 at 3:35 PM
She just doesn't convey any emotions when she acts, shes crying but you don't feel the pain,angst, heartbreak...... anything. I hear people constantly comparing Suzy to Yoona but honestly i remember Yoonas scene in PMAI when her father forgot her on her wedding day and it broke my heart. She was so convincing in that scene without doing too much. Suzy on the other hand tries too hard and always comes across as fake or hysteric. She needs to tone it down or at least try to connect with emotions of her character so she would be more believable.
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tummy
July 25, 2016 at 8:11 AM
Isn't JY playing an anti-hero character? He treats those around him badly, acts selfishly (who would try to rekindle a past love with only a few months to live). Although it happened when he was supposed to be young, he caused an accident that nearly kills someone but didn't bother to follow up and when he became rich, didn't (anonymously, if nothing else) do something to alleviate her condition (like pay of her debts secretly). When he rediscovers her, rather than atone and repent, he seemingly toys with her?
Other than his patience over the bahavior of his mum, what exactly is his redeeming quality, other than being played by KWB :-)
Are we supposed to root for a selfish, cowardly, arrogant, person simply because he is good looking and has a terminal illness?
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7 Suha
July 22, 2016 at 8:44 PM
Just as I'm about to drop this drama it keeps pulling me back in! I just wish Ji Tae would stop leading her on if he knows in the end he wont let himself be with Eul.
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bigmomma12345
July 22, 2016 at 9:38 PM
I don't that he is leading her on, or at keast not on purpose. He even expressed his own surprise to Eul that he was there with her. I think he just wants to be with her so badly and he worries about her so much, especially now with JY in the picture, that he can't help but check on her to make sure she is ok (especially after the drunken phone call).
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8 lostmysanity
July 22, 2016 at 8:45 PM
Suffering from strong second lead syndrome. Im Joo Hwan why you so lovable :'(
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bips99
July 22, 2016 at 9:33 PM
I find him scary. Maybe after effects of OMG. But the way his face changes from affable next-door to completely wiped off of any emotions, i keep thinking he is going to pull out a knife and stab someone.
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coolbeans
July 22, 2016 at 11:35 PM
I feel the exact same way @bips99! Major OMG vibes.
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mehungie
July 23, 2016 at 5:13 AM
Agreed. He was so good at being bad in OMG that I was practically avoiding scenes and screen caps with his terrifying eyes. Funny to think it's those same eyes that I fell hard for in Tamra Island. I wonder how I will react to his character if I go back to watch Tamra now.
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harukogirl
July 23, 2016 at 9:41 PM
Always got back to Tamra the Island.
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harukogirl
July 23, 2016 at 9:45 PM
*go
Miranda
July 23, 2016 at 10:17 PM
Sadly, everyone on Tamra Island is dead now, because he killed them all in a murderous rage.
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mehungie
July 31, 2016 at 4:35 PM
He was so pure in Tamra, it just killed me all over again!
Wait, dammit. Doesn't matter if he's playing good or bad, we still end up ded. Ded!
9 gem28
July 22, 2016 at 8:46 PM
I don't care for the rest of the characters, I just want to get inside that TV and give Kim Woo Bin a bear hug. Eul has started to annoy me and same goes for her seemingly perfect Ajushshi, own up or walk buddy. About Joon-Young's mother, she is too harsh. What if he really ends up dying, does she not get scared every time she says those words even if its illogical to think they may turn into truths. She is not heartless but one crazy woman. I see where Joon Young gets his stubbornness from and she is a bit too unrealistic. He became an actor not an axe-murderer, its not the end of the world.
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pigsnout
July 22, 2016 at 11:50 PM
Yeah I don't understand JY's mother either, how do you say you wish your child dead because he didn't do what you want? What kind of parent is this.
But then parents in Lee Kyung Hee dramas always seem to be shit parents and selfish.
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pebble
July 23, 2016 at 12:35 AM
@pigsnout, that seems quite true, your comment reminded me of Cha Kang-jin's (i.e. Goo-soo/Kim Soo-hyun) dysfunctional mum in Will It Snow for Christmas, another Lee Kyung Hee drama.
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pigsnout
July 23, 2016 at 1:09 AM
Yeah look at Eun Gi (Moon Chae Won's character) dad in Nice Guy, So Ji Sub's mom in ISILY, Eun Suk (Shin Min Ah's) father and stepmom in ALTK, WISFC, now this. All people who only care for themselves or being terrible parents. I thought JY and his mom had a good relationship but she's selfish too.
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10 bips99
July 22, 2016 at 8:58 PM
Till now, i used to think suzy was perfectly fine an i really couldn't understand all the flak she was getting.
But this episode ......... please please don't make her scream, cry, or get her drunk because she raises her voice to such a level that its like nails on blackboard. Keep her giving snappy smart comebacks at JY, and cute scenes with her brother and she is watchable. Just don't give her heightened emotions to act.
What did not help was that the entire focus of the episode was on her character.
A very weak episode. Please PD, when in doubt, put pororo onscreen. He makes everything better
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Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM
Right. We wouldn't have noticed if they hadn't crafted an entire episode around her! FOOLS.
I should note that I have never been anti-Suzy and haven't even seen her in anything else that I know of, so had absolutely no reason to think she would be any different from other idol-actors... until Thursday. And now what was seen cannot be unseen.
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bips99
July 22, 2016 at 9:28 PM
Exact same sentiments. I understand a lot of idols have these huge fans and anti-fans base. but I don't follow Kpop at all. And this is the first drama i have seen of hers. I had no negative preconceived notions about her. But she was plain awful in this episode. She is literally screeching
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Ladybug
July 22, 2016 at 11:18 PM
I don't think it's necessarily Suzy's fault. She plays a character that has had a lot of bad things happen to her. She literally went through even more in the past week's episodes. I think it was the director's choice. And even without seeing her as an idol or other dramas, I think people's perceptions of her in the comment from her being an idol are affecting too. I think having an episode about her was good and helpful for the plot line.
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Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 11:31 PM
There are really, really good idol actors out there, I'm not sure why it would be considered an automatic strike against someone. But Suzy isn't capable of carrying an emotional scene on her own, and that's a big red flag. I'm amazed she was cast in this without giving some indication of being able to inhabit heartbreak or embarrassment or grief.
Like I said, I thought a shallow, surface-level performance was an intentional acting choice to show exactly what you note: a life of many bad things happening, and having to put up a wall of bravado as a result. But this episode made it clear that there's no layers beneath that facade, at least not the way Suzy's capable of playing it. That's a problem.
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angieya
July 23, 2016 at 3:30 AM
Unfortunately in this case I do blame it on Suzy's acting. I know it's unfair to compare but Seo Hyun-jin's role in OHYA was similar in a lot of ways, she was loud, straightforward, drunk way too often, etc. I might have not understand OHY's behavior a lot of times, rolled my eyes at her and thought she's overreacting but SHJ's portrayal sold it to me no matter how crazy.
Here it's the opposite, I get the overall characterization and behavior of Noh Eul but I don't buy Suzy's portrayal of her at all. Sigh.
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Miranda
July 23, 2016 at 8:39 AM
Quick note about things that are a director's choice: this scene fell flat for me and a lot of others, so I have to think it was noticeable when it was filmed as well. I don't know if the director thought it could be fixed with music and cutaways to other actors in editing or what, but the director apparently accepted what he got.
This could be a limitation of direction, it could be the actor's limit. I once had a scene that I couldn't do. I couldn't open myself up the way the scene required, the lines felt false, the scripted action felt false, my brain felt like it was going to explode just attempting to make it "real". After a very patient few hours, the director realized I wasn't going to be able to do this as blocked and we ended up changing the blocking round a bit until I could deliver a passable performance.
So that right there was an actor limitation, and the director saw it was going wrong, worked with me, and then as a last resort changed the direction. So if the drunk-dial scene went out, it either represents the director being happy with the scene, or the director hitting a wall with the actor and not being able to get beyond it. What's worrying is that the scene didn't work - which makes me think Suzy's acting is very basic, but also that the director is distressingly blind.
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bips99
July 23, 2016 at 10:18 AM
You point out things that i don't even notice and then articulate them 10 times better than i would have had i noticed them to begin with.
You are an actor? professional? tv, movies or theater ? this is kind of cool!
Miranda
July 23, 2016 at 10:40 AM
@bips99 Not anymore I'm not! That event was one of a series that made me step back and question how much I really wanted to keep acting. When I realized that it wasn't just that I couldn't open up the way I needed to for some scenes, but that I genuinely didn't WANT to expose myself that way, I switched careers into something more fun for me.
Suzy's fine as a light second lead or background player. I have no idea why anyone thought she could carry UF, other than business/financial motives. It would have been straight-up obvious to casting directors and PDs that she can't pull this off, and I think that's part of the dissonance we're seeing in the reaction to the drunk-dial too: there was scripted room to try and make it somewhat funny, but through a blend of acting and direction it just came out an incoherent mess.
lolalarue
July 23, 2016 at 12:10 AM
Sadly, very true. In fact I thought we'd be okay because of her laugh/cry scene with Woo Bin in the flashback. That was convincing to me.
This is a pre-produced drama isn't it? I'm a bit concerned about the rest of the drama to come.
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hibeautiful
July 22, 2016 at 9:38 PM
me too. I used to think people were just overreacting to her, but this episode proves they're right.
Didn't mean to bash her, but this is just an obvious thing which I failed to see it before, lol.
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binibini
July 22, 2016 at 10:30 PM
I quite like this episode because it's given us the POV from the female character. As for Suzy's screaming, not a fan either but I do think it was the director's intention. It this episode, Eul was supposed to be such a big mess so I totally get why they would make her say and do such things. Like she's in this whole stage of confusion. As for the writing, this is just my personal opinion but the writers tends to make her male characters more sympathetic than the females. That's what I noticed from this drama and her previous drama. Well, at least that's what I think.
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pebble
July 23, 2016 at 12:46 AM
@bips99, I fully agree with what you said, Suzy's acting seems lacklustre in this ep. It felt like she was just chattering non-stop in a perfunctory manner. Even in last ep, she looked like a rag doll being dragged here and there, as if in a daze, her face devoid of emotions. I wanted to empathize with Eul's character more, but I just couldn't get invested.
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11 windsun33
July 22, 2016 at 9:06 PM
In the Viki subs, the ending line was not "go away", but "go screw yourself". I suspect that captures the actual feel more than just "go away".
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Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 9:11 PM
The first couple he's just saying "go", but then he follows up with something closer to "get out of my sight", as far as I can tell.
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12 Tyn123
July 22, 2016 at 9:27 PM
I thought Suzy was fine in this episode. She doesn't do raised voice well but the rest of the episode was ok. Her character didn't have the same feel as her character from ep 1 but It's to be expected from this writer. Her female leads tend to get a lobotomy a couple of times in her drama. She had been always more focus on perfecting her male characters.
I wouldn't say this episode is about Eul, it's about Eul's discovery of JY true feelings, had it been about Eul we would see a lot more on her life and her relationship with others but no, it's really about setting Eul up to accept JY and see him in a new light. In her perspective he was always the bad guy (which he was) but now she's the bad one who hurt his feelings and disregarded him.
Next week we should have more couple related scenes. Which is very welcome, been waiting for more then just teasing.
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13 edgepee
July 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM
suzy is killing it, like literally. so deadpan. and I am trying to understand joon young but can't. he kicks the woman he loves (@ the beach) and generally never made an effort to woo her hardened heart. instead he is abusive and mildly violent and. erm why?
still sticking to the show though because there's this melancholic beauty to the tone and setting (is that a thing?).
c'mon suzy and woobie. you can do thisssss.
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bips99
July 22, 2016 at 9:42 PM
seriously whats with the kicking ? Who even okays such scenes?
I think the writing is a little too scattered. It feels like a raw draft that does not have the kinks ironed out.
like either they should have shown that they loved each other like crazy in flashbacks to justify this proposal
or shown him in present just trying to help her out of guilt and falling in love unexpectedly.
because right now it doesn't make sense to me why he is pursuing a girl he did not bother about for 5 years and wasting his precious 3 months.
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Callie
July 22, 2016 at 10:00 PM
Yeah, I feel like they kinda threw out a lot of potential emotional weight by not having them date in the past. Right now, it just kinda seems like Joon Young has been obsessed with her for like 10 yrs, and they didn't really give us a strong justification as to why he started to like her in the first place.
And really, with their past relationship, No Eul has no reason to like Joon Young at all. Especially now when he's acting crazy. Like I understand the desperation of a dying man, but out of context, his actions are all out of the place.
The promotion for the show made it seem like the had this sweeping past romance that would explain all the hostility and conflicted feelings b/w the two, but that's not the case, and I think the show is lacking because of it.
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koh197
July 23, 2016 at 1:00 AM
That's exactly what I was thinking! I was expecting something more to be revealed after the second ep, and even after the college fake romance/car crash happened, I was still expecting more backstory because what we were shown still didn't really explain all the strong (opposing) feelings the two had for each other when they met again in the present.
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Ghee
July 22, 2016 at 10:09 PM
Hmmm.. My sentiments exactly!
Remember the OHJ narrated in W about drama/manhwa logic: When the main character in "stagnan yet boring" process to pursue his successful the time absolutely will be skipped. LOL.
So here we are confusing why SJY came soooo lateeeee, if it's not because of his impending death would be he pursuing Noh Eul now?
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coolbeans
July 22, 2016 at 11:44 PM
You read my mind. I don't understand his motivations at all because the writer hasn't given us much backstory to work with. In his last dying days... why her?
The only thing we have to work with is he caused her to get hit by a car, but that would be driven more by guilt not love. I also don't understand how he can treat a girl he almost killed this way.
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bips99
July 23, 2016 at 1:24 AM
Exactly! if its just guilt, then leave her something in your will. or you are ridiculously well connected, make sure she gets a good job. Where did the love to the point of public-confession come from?
btw, JT has been hanging around NE for years for presumably guilt about his dad's actions. And the only time he uses his position he get NE a job offer is when he is jealous of JY and wants her to drop filming the documentary ?
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pigsnout
July 23, 2016 at 2:27 AM
Yeah for guys who supposedly care about this girl so much and love her, they just leave her to that kind of crappy life? JY lost track of her out of guilt, ok, but why did JT not at least get her a steady job in all this time? Or find some way to pay her debt?
I don't know if it's bad acting or what but with the way the main two act, I just think 'so what if you have cancer, you still behave like a jerk' and 'so what if the script made it so your dad got hit by a car and you also, you're an annoying Candy'. And they even made JY be a jerk to Pororo for NE so we don't even get that cute now. I think what happened, was the dog's appearance fees too expensive or what? ?
silverplot
July 23, 2016 at 4:21 AM
Guys, are you serious about JY being jerk to Pororo? Really? Dog leaves the live, like million other dogs live. He has no one to take care of his dog, while he is filming documentary. What he should do? Leave NE to have severe dog allergy, so she can't breath? C'mon. You basically saying, that pine nuts should be added to cake, because 9 people love them and 1 is allergic. Nothing bad would happen, if 9 people eat their cake without them yet something will happen if 1 eats it with them. His dog is loved, eats well, sleeps well and has lovely big doghouse, that he build him with his own hands.
At this point, everyone seems to like this dong just because they want to like it.
pigsnout
July 23, 2016 at 5:52 AM
So now it's a problem even if we like the dog and wonder why the story had NE be allergic so JY puts him out? Our liking Pororo is not some personal insult to NE, calm down.
pigsnout
July 23, 2016 at 12:03 AM
I really don't understand these characters, and it makes the story hard to like.
Next episode I hope they bring Pororo back.
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bips99
July 23, 2016 at 1:14 AM
lol ... i agree. bring pororo back. Why would they make NE allergic to him? Why?
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Barbrey
July 23, 2016 at 1:11 AM
Totally agree.
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birdie
July 23, 2016 at 8:36 AM
Agree with you there.I was shocked with him being abusive there. The scatty writing with the awful acting is a lethal combination. One of the main problem of the story is they weren't even seriously dating and crazy in love in the past to justify the present situation.
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Dexterinthelaboratory
July 22, 2016 at 10:08 PM
This is exactly what I felt. I am not very fond of JY. WB is extremely pretty and plays his part well but the character is ridiculously lacking perspective. The writer is probably going with the jump head first personality but the resulting actions have me cringing.
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Karuna
July 23, 2016 at 3:46 AM
"there’s this melancholic beauty to the tone and setting"
Yes it a thing! The only thing that keeps one watching.
The plot is a bit old timey - including in those mildly abusive bits - and the young actors are simply not able to carry it. Perhaps those old tropes can no longer be authentically conveyed by the new generation?
Everyone is bashing Suzy but frankly the male lead is not much better. They are pleasant enough but not able to add to the melancholic beauty.
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14 Miranda
July 22, 2016 at 10:06 PM
Hey - did we actually see the confession get turned down? Because it seems kind of nuts that the end of last episode and ALL of this episode centered around a public rejection that happened completely offscreen.
The circumstances of the rejection kind of underscore everything else happening: his manager's anxiety about Joon Young killing himself, his mom's altered demeanor, his fans' attitude toward Eul, the way Joon Young and Eul are interacting. I have no idea how worried to be about any of these because I have no idea what erratic Eul may have done on that platform in front of an arena and a television camera. Did I black out and miss this part somehow?
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Dexterinthelaboratory
July 22, 2016 at 10:13 PM
This is a large case of "leaving it to the public's imagination".
First CIIT and now this. I am going to script my own dramas from now and major events in it will happen ON SCREEN!
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Dexterinthelaboratory
July 22, 2016 at 10:14 PM
*CITT
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bips99
July 22, 2016 at 10:19 PM
Why bother with the strenuous task of writing character development when it can happen offscreen conveniently for all (except the audience but we have already reeled those suckers in)
but in this case i am happy. *see below*
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bips99
July 22, 2016 at 10:16 PM
I hate public confessions. And those confessions being rejected makes me cringe in second hand embarrassment . so i ...... ummmmm ...... fast forwarded the scene. but then reading the recap i realised they did not show the actual rejection. Which made me sigh in relief. Though we will probably get to see it at some point as a flashback.
so yes, you did not miss anything. all good.
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UmbrellaMan
July 22, 2016 at 10:31 PM
Ok, so I am not going insane. They kept on mentioning the public rejection and it had me thinking, did I blink at that moment cuz I don't remember that. Maybe we will get flashbacks later on.
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silverplot
July 23, 2016 at 4:14 AM
She just didn't accept that bear. What so hard to understand?
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Miranda
July 23, 2016 at 7:56 AM
It can't possibly be that subtle. Everyone's talking about it like it's a massive thing, we can't actually have already seen it and it's the act of Eul NOT reaching out to take that bear.
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15 dramamama
July 22, 2016 at 10:24 PM
JoonYoung could be the poster child for Tsundere characters. I can't believe that he is upset that she likes the "nice" guy over him. What has he done to woo her? He is always messing with her. Plus now he has exposed her to the world and all its hate. I know he is dying and feels guilty for what he did. But let's be realistic. If in real life a guy treated you like this (without knowing the backstory) would you really like him? Plus he doesn't want treatment for his illness and expects to die fairly quickly. Why get involved and break her heart again? He should apologize and then stay away, and when he dies she should get some money from his will.
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Ghee
July 22, 2016 at 11:14 PM
Your ending version is reminds me of current movie I just watched: Me Before You. Which in this case, I adore the bravado of the lead male portraying rich handsome man but very very ill. As incapable man stays in wheelchair for the rest of story really breaks my heart I can feels the depth of his pain.
Woobinieee you deserve a better lead male next time ?
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Barbrey
July 23, 2016 at 1:15 AM
Heartily agree.
I also wonder why these two rich guys who say they're in love with her don't anonymously pay off her debtors so she can start to live comfortably. It sounds like some of her debt was her hospitalization bills, which Joon Young actually caused, so pay off her debts already Joon Young, or you do it Ji Tae since you have such a guilty conscience about your dad.
Words are cheap.
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16 Yesindeed
July 22, 2016 at 10:29 PM
Uncontrollably Fond and W both have 14 episodes left. I can imagine 14 episodes of W, but I cannot imagine 14 more episodes of Uncontrollably Fond. How long will they keep dragging the plot? Time for some progress.
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hoooh
July 23, 2016 at 5:07 AM
wait so does this mean that they will have their final on the same day???:o
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Yesindeed
July 23, 2016 at 6:13 AM
Unless one of them gets extended, yes. W has 16 episodes total and U.F. has 20. W has aired 2 eps and U.F. 6. So they each have 14 eps left.
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17 wcrazed
July 22, 2016 at 10:59 PM
I read the comments here before watching the episode, and I thought people were exaggerating about her acting. But, no, she really is that terrible.
This is literally a pre produced drama, they had six months to film this, and the writers and producers had even more time to plan the plot and direction out. There are literally no excuses for the director approving of that bad acting, when you have dramas that are being live shot like Doctors, Wanted, and W that deliver miles ahead on the acting front even with the actors being given scripts and shooting episodes all within the span of a couple days.
I take back criticizing HHJ after seeing this episode now haha
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18 coolbeans
July 22, 2016 at 11:26 PM
I thought we were really going somewhere after episode 5, but then episode 6 happened, and now back to square 1.
The plot and writing isn't fleshed out. Of all people, why did Joon-young seek out Eul when he found out he was dying? Like others have mentioned, it's not like they had some epic romance in the past. I'm finding the circumstances driving the character motivations hard to believe.
And I think this is the first drama in recent years where I don't find myself rooting for ANY of the characters.
- Joon-young is an arrogant a-hole. One second I want to root for him, but the next second he acts like a royal jerk.
- Eul is screechy, whiny, and lacks common sense.
- Ji-tae comes off creepy to me too. Lots of OMG vibes, and I can't get on board this ship. I keep thinking he might do something evil any second now.
- Joon-young's mom is the worst mom ever - is she really this horrible juuust because he didn't fulfill HER dreams of becoming a prosecutor?
- Joon-young's uncle - this isn't supposed to be a cameo, right? What's his purpose here?
I think the weakest thing about this drama right now is the writing. It's all over the place in terms of plot and characterization! There is nothing pulling me into their world, and making me feel that connection to these characters. At this point, I'm just watching it for all the pretty. Because Suzy and Woobie are indeed very very pretty.
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Barbrey
July 23, 2016 at 1:17 AM
+10000
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Elgarmummy
July 23, 2016 at 6:57 AM
Agree with the part of ji tae! I keep seeing the evil policeman from OMG when he doesn't smile.
A bit mean of me to say this, but I get very distracted by his forehead when he gel his fringe up in his rich look.
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19 imho
July 22, 2016 at 11:48 PM
To be honest, i don't think that suzy's acting was really bad bad.. She was ok as compared to her previous drama. Though i really hope that she can potray more subtle expressions on her face especially when she don't do the talking. I always amazed by actors who can potray such perfect expressions on their faces, but unfortunately suzy is not one of them..
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Miranda
July 23, 2016 at 9:55 AM
Suzy shouldn't be a lead. I can't compare to her previous dramas, but whoever cast her was not focusing on the quality of the drama. She's clearly not up to carrying a 20 episode drama, she needs a lot more time watching others act and taking classes and taking small parts in complicated productions. That she's unsuited to be the female lead in a 20-episode drama should not have been shocking to ANYONE on the production - it sounds like they kind of looked at the business benefits of casting Suzy, decided to gamble and now here we are.
And it might be a good business gamble, I don't know! The ratings could be high, the PPLs could get a lot of traction, maybe the show needed her to get funded in the first place, anything's possible. I can just definitively state that casting Suzy was not a decision made on acting quality.
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20 agoodheart
July 23, 2016 at 12:48 AM
Wow, I'm surprised that it seems I'm the only one who likes Suzy's acting in this episode. This episode's highlight for me is actually Eul's drunk call to Ji-tae. I found it endearing. She was cute and she made me cry, she really did. Other than that, overall, this episode was not my favorite. But well, my favorites were ep 1 and 2, which don't seem to be anyone's favorite, so that must say something about my taste. :D
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21 pebble
July 23, 2016 at 12:56 AM
Since the acting in this ep is so lacklustre, my attention wandered off from Suzy's face and focused elsewhere, and I spotted that black bag she was carrying with a white 3 on it, is it a PPL? lol
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22 lmd13
July 23, 2016 at 1:11 AM
This drama makes me cringe so hard for so many reasons. One of the main ones is that we all know that Eul and Joon-young will end up together, but so far he's mostly just been abusive to her. I hate in dramas when a relationship that starts out with the male lead being abusive and cruel to the female lead ends with them gall
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lmd13
July 23, 2016 at 1:19 AM
falling in love and living happily ever after. No healthy relationship can begin that way. Boys Over Flowers is a perfect example of this happening. When Joon-young was talking to Eul about how she liked Ji-Tae instead of him, he said "Should I threaten that I'll hit her if she won't stop?" He also tripped her so that she ended up on the floor back in high school after he saw his dad. And today, he kicks her and she falls over on the beach. He also constantly shoves her around and pulls her by the wrist (I do realize the wrist-grab is a common occurrence in dramas and not good in any case, but I feel that this show is worse about it than most.) Even a character like Eul who started out as a fairly strong and independent character won't stop herself from being dragged around like Joon-Young's puppet. It's gross and infuriating.
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edgepee
July 23, 2016 at 1:47 AM
my sentiments exactly, except I think she's tolerating him just because he gave her a job. Still does not justify the kicking, grabbing etc.
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silverplot
July 23, 2016 at 4:08 AM
No Eul kicked him too, she verbally abusive and aggressive (clearly shown the way she talked to him in high school, when he was just standing there minding his own business), she calls him "jerk and a**hole" and he never grabbed her my wrist so far (it was Ji Tae, Joon Young took her hand) or pulled her around. He lifted her twice, when she fainted and when she tried to get that phone out of water and his reaction to her drunk actions was justifiable, because she cold just drown and water is cold. But of course, it's okay to woman be aggressive to man.
JY not presented as a perfect man, btw. Her presented as vulnerable, yet with bad temper. He kicked her out of anger once, but immediately regretted it took care of her after that all night. His treat just a words, nothing more. Let's not act like people don't say all the time "I want to slap you so hard", without really every ever doing so.
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Barbrey
July 23, 2016 at 1:19 AM
Yes, we do know they will end up together, and his pursuing her when he knows he is going to die has to be the most selfish thing ever.
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angieya
July 23, 2016 at 3:54 AM
Although both dramas are completely different I get strange Heirs feels while watching this, just that Woobie is Kim Tan this time. lol
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23 lindl
July 23, 2016 at 1:53 AM
Poor Eul. I was all swept up in this episode and felt all the feelings, and that ending was a gut punch. Joonyoung isn't seeing things from her perspective at all. He only just got back into her life, and not even in a real way, as far as she's concerned. He's as far out of her reach as he was before their paths crossed again. In the meantime, she's had her life to live and her problems to solve, and it's not her fault that Joonyoung needs an answer from her now. Plus she has her Jitae issues to work through. It's Jitae who has been a real part of her life all this time; of course he looms larger in her emotional landscape than this superstar who keeps making these surreal and confusing declarations.
I don't think Joonyoung's confession at the concert should have felt any more convincing to Eul than his first confession in front of the documentary crew, just because it was more public. In fact, precisely because it was so public, it seemed even more like a stunt, like the one Joonyoung pulled at his co-star's birthday celebration. I don't blame Eul for being bewildered and not being able to give Joonyoung the answer he wants.
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24 SooJeong
July 23, 2016 at 2:22 AM
Woah this one was hard to go through. I don’t think it is doing Suzy a favor that she shares the same timeslot with Han Hyo Joo and Kim Ah Joong. KAJ is doing a terrific job in Wanted and Han Hyo Joo does a great job up to now in W as well – well at least in my opinion. Unfortunately I think that it is unavoidable that Suzy gets compared to them. And if I see those three totally different characters, Eul was really aweful in this episode – again, my opinion. You may think differently ;)
But to her defense: That crying scene – which I found really really horrible and uncomfortable to watch – was ok’ed by the director so people were satisfied with it. But like some others here I actually don’t know what they want me to feel for Eul. Is she supposed to be funny (if that was the case it was totally contradicting to Ji-Taes acting) or should I feel sad or embarrassed for her? I actually identified it as bad acting because I was confused about what this scene was meant to be. I totally loved Ji-Tae here, but I do think that this scene would have had such a great impact if the director had given clear directions to Suzy. I do think that Suzy is – despite the acting jobs under her belt – a rather “inexperienced” actress. To be honest I think she should have done some small roles in the past to learn the craft properly. But as far as I know she always took the major roles and I think that can put her under a lot of pressure.
Anyway I’m currently watching all major Wen-Thu-Dramas and of course I have a ranking but I’ll still continue to watch them all. At least for now ;) Thanks for the recap! :)
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25 JoyBells
July 23, 2016 at 2:46 AM
Suzy's really really needs to work on her drunk-crying scenes. I was so glad when he smacked her lightly in her mouth. Lol. Reminds me of how my mom used to do the same when i was little and used to scream the juciest swear words i had picked up at the playground. Hahaaa.
Apart from that i have no major complaints about Suzy. She is doing a decent job. And so pretty,i get distracted.
Another scene that made me smile in glee was Jik dumping Haru in the dumpster. Hahaaa.. She is such a brat and Daddy's little princess.He plays no need to her and I guess this is how she starts to develop a crush on him. If that happens,Ji Tae is distancing himself from No Eul because of their family history only for his sister to probably fall for the brother. Futher mess.
I agree with Lollypip about how No Eul's love for Ji Tae is more on the sense of familarity and reliability. He has always been there for her and her brother and she must feel a sense of comfort with him.As for Jung Young aww.. his public proposal was a complete **** move on his part since it puts her in a really uncomfortable public situation,but since he had little time left i can also understand him going all out.
The lady the father met is a striking copy of Jung Young's mother! I think she is the same Madam Song,No Eul had caught him in pictures with all those year ago when she thrratened to expose him.Also after her threats,seems like the Father stopped going to the Salon,since the lady mentions she hasnt seen him in awhile. And the primary reason he went was probably because she looked like JY's mom in the first place. So he still has some unresolved feelings for the mom. No wonder his wife went a bit angry there.
Ahh..can't wait for next wednesday.
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26 Miky
July 23, 2016 at 3:38 AM
The beach cellphone conversation has just heartbreaking
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Anna
July 23, 2016 at 4:58 AM
Maybe I'm the only one here, but I cried when Jitae cried :(
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Miky
July 23, 2016 at 9:22 AM
No you're not,i cried a bit as well but because it touched me hard maybe thanks to the BGM inserted as well,i could really feel their pain
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agoodheart
July 23, 2016 at 12:40 PM
+1000
it touched me and made me cry too ㅠㅠ
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27 Suk Bin
July 23, 2016 at 5:12 AM
I really pity Joon Young. His mom rejected him and so does Eul and he keeps all his pain to himself. I really hope for him to give Eul a hard time. She is so annoying and how I wish there's a better person for him than that drunk arrogant shameless whiner.
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28 MissKym
July 23, 2016 at 5:29 AM
I have no problem with everything but 1. No matter what.. no matter how cute .. no matter how lightly There should never portray kicking or abuse woman is fine n cute. No. Big NO.
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silverplot
July 23, 2016 at 9:08 AM
But that's okay when woman kicks man?
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29 Eldalis
July 23, 2016 at 6:02 AM
People seem to misunderstand JY's mother. I'm not okay at all with the way she treats her son, but I kind of understand why she does that. It's not to look good in front of JY's father or to get him back. Don't forget that South Korea is an elitist society which values intelectual jobs over money. It's not like in the U.S. where money buys social recognition.
My Korean teacher once explained me that for Korean people, the top jobs in the social ladder are lawyer/prosecutors, doctors and university professors. In the bottom of the same ladder are manual jobs, cookers and entertainers. Basically, JY started from scratch and was able to reach the top of social recognition (prosecutor), but suddenly dropped it for the bottom (entertainer). By the way I'm sure I have read somewhere stories of idols whose families cut them off because of their career choice.
Maybe it's because I come from an elitist society (in Europe, but it's the same overall), but I kind of understand JY's mother way of thinking: he was becoming a prosecutor (he worked like crazy for that), but he suddenly dropped it without telling her a reason, and he started to become an entertainer without even liking it. For her he is wasting his life and his potential.
Remember also that in Korea single moms are treated like trash, people think children from single-parent families are always troublemakers/juvenile offenders, so her son becoming a prosecutor was a way to prove people wrong. It's deeper than "I want to show off your dad".
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patinalee
July 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM
@ Ori
I think you're onto something here. We often forget the cultural perspectives of the show we're watching and being a non-Korean, I suppose I'll never fully grasp why JY's mom does what she does, but your comment brings me one step closer to understanding her, even if I do not agree to the extent of acrimony she displays towards her son.
I agree that it's more than wanting to show off to Daddy Choi. Perhaps it's the matter of elevating JY's social status, as those from the lower status seems to be always getting the shorter end of the stick. JY's mom was 'persuaded' to break up with Daddy Choi because being with her would hinder Choi's prospective of being a prosecutor, her being of a humble background. JY himself had the table turned against him when the girl he had helped named him as the instigator of his fight with the three rich kids, him being the son of a single mom. Mom wants HIM out of this loop of injustice. Thus her bitter disappointment when JY frittered away his chance at ascending the social ladder when he dropped law school and became an entertainer instead, the Korean word of which carries derogatory connotations, if I understood correctly the posts on DB about the the recently aired “Entertainer”. What's so great about having tons of money when you can still be bullied by the higher ups in society, as had happened to them both? Mom may be sorely pissed that JY remains vulnerable to this injustice by his unexplained career choice, especially when he had a chance at social ascension by passing the first round of the bar exams. Thus we see her lashing out at him for his intentional failure, from her POV, to extricate himself from the victim pool of social injustices.
My take. Which can (and usually) be completely off the mark. :-D
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30 sheza
July 23, 2016 at 6:52 AM
How d you know it is a flash back when the Mr. Choi met Madam Song at the office? Is it from the sign on the office floor?
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31 Tata
July 23, 2016 at 7:56 AM
I totally agree with your point. I saw comments saying how annoying ne was in front of jy, calling some other guy. But what they forgot is that jy disappeared from her life without a reason right after she was in an accident. She prop doenst trust him and needs time to accept him back in her life.
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32 UfcNdy
July 23, 2016 at 9:16 AM
How is jitae older than woobin and Suzy character??
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Confused
July 23, 2016 at 11:30 AM
This!! This is where it left me scratching my head. Does this mean JY mom was with the father after he had his first born while in law school?
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33 Adal
July 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM
Joon Young's agent/manager is his cousin.
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lindl
July 23, 2016 at 3:48 PM
I don't think Gookyoung's dad is Joonyoung's mom's brother. If I remember correctly, his twin sister (Joonyoung's dad's housekeeper) told him to ask Joonyoung's mom out if he liked her so much. So he's just an older-guy oppa, not an older-brother oppa, to Joonyoung's mom.
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Adal
July 23, 2016 at 10:57 PM
Ah! I see.
Good explanation. Thanks
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34 Adal
July 23, 2016 at 10:34 AM
About Suzy, I don't have any issues with her acting. I find the fuzzy timelines and scattered writing/editing more problematic. Many of the earlier comments have pointed out the plot holes so no need to enumerate them here. For a show that's pre produced, the quality is a lot less than I expected.
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35 Melbeanie
July 23, 2016 at 5:54 PM
I actually think that Eul was so cute and even endearing while pouring her heart out to Ahjussi on the phone while so drunk and wasted and it breaks my heart to see Ji-tae wavering. I guess I'm having a second-lead syndrome now.
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agoodheart
July 23, 2016 at 11:30 PM
omg finally another person who thinks the same about Eul's drunk calling scene. i also thought she was cute and endearing there, at the same time it was heart-breaking to watch her and i cried with her, and i was so surprised to see so many people disliked it. we're in the minority but we're not alone, yay ~ :D
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shawin
July 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM
I Think she pull off the role really well, im not biased about her acting but i think she doesn't deserve this kind if harsh criticism. Actually i found her acting in that this drama really good and sometimes i think director or even writer are at fault for the way she acts. But in total i really enjoy this drama.
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36 wackycashew
July 23, 2016 at 9:05 PM
Thanks for the recap, LP!
Not sure what to make of this ep. It feels like a lot of time was spent locating JY after he disappeared. I get NE's confusion and JY needs to slow down his pace even though I know time is running out in his mind. A public confession is not something you wanna thrust upon someone who has just reacquainted with you and had no clue that you liked her.
It sucks that JT had to reject NE cuz of what his dad did. I felt his pain when he was listening to NE's drunken call. He must be so torn inside and mad at his dad for this mess.
NE has been through a lot and it's no wonder she is confused by these two guys with their mixed signals. She might just need things spelled out for her.
Jik is such a cutie and I love how he protects his sister.
Didn't expect Madam Song to resemble JY's mom so much. No wonder JY's dad was so hung up on her. He probably hasn't gotten over JY's mom and only kept seeing Madam Song since she reminded him of JY's mom.
Interesting that JT's mom knows where JY's mom works and seems like she's been keeping tabs on her. Makes me wonder if she's been following her and JY's life for all these years.
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37 Snowy
July 23, 2016 at 9:38 PM
I like Suzy in general (Miss A) but I haven't really followed her acting career. I've been reading recaps since the beginning and the previous ep ended at a good scene, so I downloaded this episode to watch at my grandma's place. But I couldn't finish it.... that drunk scene was so bad and superficial I felt like pushing the character into the sea. Jitae's conflict is a self-made one. He's only a stepson, right? Eul's whiny self is so smackable. Like when her friend was helping her with disguise and she was shouting in the store. Is her hearing bad or does she have attention seeking disorder or idk what. I realized I don't like the character at all.
Too bad because I found the storyline passable- high school "couple" meeting in adulthood, one is dying, etc. It's okay enough to follow recaps but not to watch.
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Adal
July 23, 2016 at 11:03 PM
Why do you think Ji Tae's a stepson?
The drama doesn't clarify this, (one of its many failures) but I think Ji Tae's and Joon Young's dad was already married with a kid before he met Joon Young's mom.
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Snowy
July 24, 2016 at 9:09 AM
Oops sorry, I recalled a comment that I read, not an actual recap. But still, I don't get Ji Tae. Why marry the killer driver girl when in the first place, it's her fault? Why push total blame on his father?
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38 blueribbon
July 23, 2016 at 11:38 PM
I haven't finished watching this episode because I will be honest her character was getting on my nerves. That drunk scene I get that they tried to make her look cute or something but I swear every time she said "Ajusshi" I wanted to flung my computer across the room. The last episodes were so good then I was hit with this, it was kind of disappointing. I did watch until the scene were she vomited it on him then I stopped, I guess I will go back to it tomorrow and be caught up for next week.
I admit that that scene were she was embarrassed and then flat out didn't care that JY undressed her did make me laugh, there are moments when I do enjoy her character and then like I learned in this episode there are moments where I don't. Thanks for the recap Lollypip I will come back later and read your thoughts :)
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Snowy
July 24, 2016 at 9:12 AM
That's how I felt watching that scene.. Ajusshi ajusshi ajjuuuu...just shut up.
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39 UF
July 26, 2016 at 3:00 AM
Thanks for the recap!
I don't know about others, but I do enjoy this show a lot and I think it's the best drama airing atm, I enjoy it a lot more than W (a mistery to me why people went so crazy over it), although they can't be compared.
Suzy's acting is pretty decent, I'm not a kpop fan so I'm not biased, and to me she seems fine. I've seen her in Gu family book and there as well seemed pretty good.
I also have faith in the writer, I've seen some of her works and I'm sure she knows what she's doing. I don't get why people get confused with the flashbacks, for me things were pretty clear...
Of course, people who enjoy action pack dramas might find this drama boring, but I've seen way too many dramas in the past years and I came to a point where fluffy rom-coms don't appeal to me anymore, they all feel the same. I like dramas with substance and layers, and to me UF seems exactly my cup if tea.
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blueribbon
July 27, 2016 at 2:41 AM
I can give you some point to solve the mystery as to why people are going crazy over W.
1. The writer is one to be trusted if you haven't watched
"Nine times time travel" or "Queen In Hyun's Man" then you wouldn't understand. Both are great shows by the way if you have some time give them a try.
2. The plot is kind of unique. While I am a sucker for melos they are almost always the same plot and troupes. The main characters almost always knew each other before or when they were younger. Some sort of tragedy happens that separates them, then they meet each other again in the future but there is something that can't let them be together, ect. ect. I don't hate on it, most of the time, I actually like this show but to be sincere I have seen this story before, it just has different actors.
3. and Of course last but not least LEE JONG-SUK XD.
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40 VJ
July 29, 2016 at 11:38 AM
Can someone please tell me whether Ji Tae is elder to Joon-Young and if so, how it is possible?
And I guess I'm also in the minority of those enjoying Suzy's acting...Afterall she was supposed to be drunk in that crying scene.. I think she did it pretty well.
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41 Yashi Kesarwani
May 3, 2017 at 5:59 AM
At the very beginning the story seems a bit confusing but now I can figure out what exactly is goin on. Thanks for recap !
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