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Odds and Ends: How NOT to run an internet company

javabeans: So I’m pretty sure everyone noticed we’ve been having technical difficulties on our site. For a while, actually, though it’s been pretty bad lately.

girlfriday: What gave it away?

javabeans: You mean like when you typed in “dramabeans.com” and got “Site not found” or “Bad Gateway” or sad faces?

girlfriday: Or read our angry tweets in the middle of the night, threatening to fire the monkeys?

HeadsNo2: Yeah, what did y’all mean by that again?

javabeans: Our metaphorical tech monkeys, which in retrospect might have been preferable to the actual tech support we got. Because… sigh… let’s just say that we’ve had a long, arduous relationship with our tech company and have since decided to go our separate ways.

girlfriday: You make it sound like such a civilized parting. Amicable divorces really depend on which party you’re talking to.

HeadsNo2: When it was really a “Get your crap and get in the car, we’re LEAVING!” kind of thing?

javabeans: It certainly felt like we were escaping something. At first, our site just started crashing intermittently and our hosting company would step in and fix things. But then we started going down all the time, and they would “fix” things that made everything worse, and tell us it was all solved, and instead we were still getting Bad Gateways and frowny faces.

girlfriday: I wanted to punch those frowny faces in their frowny mouths.

HeadsNo2: Well, I know *I* was worried, and I’m sure all the readers were too. But I think you guys have had the most sleepless nights from all this madness.

javabeans: I would pull white hair in the morning, and by nighttime, THERE WAS MORE WHITE HAIR. They were multiplying! It was actually horrifying. Aging in high speed.

HeadsNo2: You’re never supposed to pull them! Didn’t your mother tell you what happens when you pull them?!

girlfriday: My mother never ran an internet company!

HeadsNo2: But she’d probably have run a better internet company than [REDACTED]. Wait, are we redacting?

javabeans: You know, normally I’d argue for taking the high road, gracious separations, and basic human dignity. But… our experience being hosted by Flywheel was so, so, incredibly, egregiously, unfathomably terrible that we’re okay to name and shame.


 

HeadsNo2: Consider it a public service announcement.

girlfriday: Yes, it’s for the good of humanity! And also any future internet websites needing hosting.

javabeans: Honestly, we would have had no problem if they just told us they couldn’t serve us, and that they wished us well and sent us away. Because we know we’re a big site with tons of comments, and maybe somebody else was better equipped to handle us.

girlfriday: At the beginning, they were friendly and willing to help whenever things went awry. It’s just that things kept going awry, and ultimately we just needed our site to work.

javabeans: Looking back, we should have left them a lot sooner, but they would repeatedly tell us they had a new solution that would make everything better and we wanted to believe them. But even though they kept insisting they would fix things, things wouldn’t fix. We’d send emails, and they wouldn’t answer our questions. For every five questions, we got maybe one answer. It was always the “We’re on it, we’ll get back to you,” followed by… dead silence.

girlfriday: At one point they moved us to fancy new hardware, telling us that it would fix the constant glitching, by creating replica sites that would act as emergency backups in case one went down. Good in theory. In practice, however, you would post a comment to one of the replicas, and it wouldn’t replicate to the other sites. Basically, it turned one site into a three-headed monster.

javabeans: Yes, if the heads kept eating the comments from the other heads.

HeadsNo2: I promise I was not one (or two) of those heads.

javabeans: As part of the “improvements,” they set up some complicated caching to relieve server load, only it was perhaps the worst caching function to ever be created. Essentially it froze our site in 15-minute intervals, so rather than updating every time you refreshed the page to show new comments, the old page would stick for 15 minutes! Without showing new comments!

girlfriday: We could see on the back end that comments were being made, but the front page would be stuck. This was nuts on days we had high commenting traffic, because a Cheese in the Trap episode could easily get 100 comments in the first hour, but for some people, it would look like there was no discussion going on!

javabeans: We’re just so sorry about that to everyone, because we’re a site dedicated to robust conversation, and our site was actively killing that conversation. UGH. I still get fumey thinking about that.

HeadsNo2:: But we have great readers, and they were super understanding! If not a little confused. But which of us wasn’t?

girlfriday: The only way to help things was if we literally went into the control panel and flushed our cache manually, like every 3 minutes during a high comment period. We would actually sit at our desks for hooooours after a Cheese recap posted, just clicking “flush cache.”

javabeans: We kept asking Flywheel about fixing the cache and they kept saying they would look into it, and they never got back to us! We wrote them so many emails.

girlfriday: So many emails.

javabeans: What’s worse is that each site replica had to be updated manually, so it was really THREE times the clicking.

girlfriday: We lost a lot of sleep in those weeks.

javabeans: Having repeated outages was one thing, but it was their reaction to the problems that really made things take a bad turn after that.

HeadsNo2: So is that when the cancer that is Flywheel metastasized?

javabeans: We were sending lots and lots of emails, because… well, we had lots and lots of problems. And then at one point, it seemed like there was one very clear point where they just… stopped… replying to our emails.

girlfriday: THEY. JUST. STOPPED.

HeadsNo2: Seriously?

javabeans: We would send them. And have no answer. Like, ever.

girlfriday: They sure still took our money though.

javabeans: Remember a couple of weeks ago when we had a problem and sent an email to their emergency support, and… emergency just never showed up?

HeadsNo2: Wait, seriously?

girlfriday: Yes! It was like we had been black-balled.

javabeans: I actually wondered if they had a “dramabeans” filter on their incoming server that filtered us into trash.

girlfriday: I’m pretty sure that’s where they put the replica sites.

javabeans: Oh, right. When they upgraded us, they gave us a more expensive plan with extra features at a lower rate because they kept screwing up. But one day, I logged in and noticed that those extra features had just disappeared. They never told us they were taking them away, just… poof. I just can’t even about that.

HeadsNo2: Which doesn’t make sense, because why would they do that?

javabeans: Honestly, I wondered if they were purposely going silent to push us into leaving.

girlfriday: It’s like the boyfriend who’s too chickenshit to break up with you, and so starts doing things to make you break up with him first.

HeadsNo2: Oh, you mean like noble idiocy, only without the nobility?

javabeans: Exactly like that. They act like a dick so you leave, only there’s no sad terminal illness to justify the douchey behavior.

girlfriday: Sooooo, needless to say, we began to pack our virtual bags and look around for a new hosting service, and finally got ready to do the big move.

javabeans: Annnnnd of course, the night before we were going to move, our site crashed and we were locked out for three hours. We couldn’t write news posts until 3 am, I recall.

HeadsNo2: Seriously?!

javabeans: Oh, it gets better-worse.

girlfriday: When we told Flywheel we were leaving, they said, “We were informed you were planning on migrating off of the platform. This comes as a surprise as we have not heard of any recent issues. I was hoping we could continue to work together and be partners as you grow. Let me know if we can hop on the phone and chat through things.”

javabeans: *Wild, incredulous laughter.*

girlfriday: But wait, there’s more!

HeadsNo2: SERIOUSLY???

girlfriday: When we were coordinating the new host with the old host to move, Flywheel wouldn’t respond to our multiple requests for the necessary backup files. So we couldn’t move.

javabeans: We had our entire team ready, waiting to move, and Flywheel just stonewalled us. We were literally twiddling thumbs waiting for an answer. We emailed the support line, we emailed the direct addresses we had, we called on the phone. No reply. We even had a friend of a friend of a friend contact Flywheel as a personal favor to get a reply. AND THEN DO YOU KNOW WHY EVERYTHING? DO YOU. DO YOU??

HeadsNo2: No, but I have a feeling this is gonna be good.

girlfriday: They told their team to hold off on giving us any backups of our site because they were trying to get us on the phone! To retain us! But we just wanted the backups! We kept asking for them, but they later insisted that we hadn’t responded to their request for a call. Even though we didn’t want a call. We just wanted to leave, okay? You can keep all my CDs!

javabeans: FLAMES. FLAMES ON THE SIDE OF MY FACE.

HeadsNo2: Oh my god.

javabeans: Ohmygod!

girlfriday: OH. MY. GOD.

javabeans: It felt like they had our baby hostage. At first, we were so scared they might retaliate or refuse to cooperate that we felt like we had to be super careful about not angering them. We wanted our baby out in one piece!

girlfriday: But at a certain point, we were like, nine fingers and nine toes is a majority of appendages! Cut and run!

javabeans: I love that one guy literally told us, “Seems things have gone south in the recent months with a new dev team and some other changes, combined with some unfortunate outages on our end. Such is hosting though.”

girlfriday: Sorry we quoted your email. Such is karma though.

HeadsNo2: Burn.

javabeans: And then!

HeadsNo2: And then?!!?

girlfriday: In the end they agreed to refund hosting fees for the month of January because of all the outages… then failed to actually give us said refund. We reminded them, but they ignored us.

HeadsNo2: Are we surprised?

javabeans: No, but it’s ironic considering how they suddenly became much more polite as we were walking out the door, and requested, “Lastly, I hope that we did not earn a scathing review as we tried our best to provide support and be flexible.”

girlfriday: I don’t think it was scathing, do you? There weren’t even any four-letter words! And I know some!

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Awwwwww didnt know that the tech problem was that bad and unfortunately it was badly handled.
Been a beanie since 2006 and no internet glitch would me make leave bcoz you guys are awesome!
Such big help for non korean drama addict like me!

Hope the new host will take care of your baby really well!

Thanks for feeding the kdrama addiction!
And continue to be awesome as usual! ♥♡♥

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I disagree with maybe 75% of the reviews, you love the dramas I hate and vice versa.

However, your posts are so well-made, capturing, fulfilling, relatable, professional, passionate, clarifying and FUN, that I always rely on you for anything kdrama-related. I sometimes read recaps of shows I don't like, just because I appreciate your work; I just want to read them.

I've never commented, but I wanted to let you know how important your work is to stealth readers and that I literally got angry on your behalf.

Hope your new hosting home is cozy and bright!

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I was worried when you were down. Glad it's over. Thanks for your loyal blog. Your recaps are tops.

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Please tell me you took a torch to their home office to threaten them for that refund. Because that's what I'd be doing. Or filing a lawsuit. Because that can be considered a crime.

But I'm glad that amidst it all, you were able to escape and get to a better hosting site. And give us a good laugh after the fact, even though it was probably the pissiest situation ever.

You guys really are a huge blessing to the kdrama community. The fact that you guys went out of your way to refresh every 3 or so minutes during high traffic periods just so that we could have our discussion means a lot.

So thank you so so much for all the things you've gone through for us. We appreciate it. We really do.

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Yeah, and when I timing of how traffic must've been on some of those days....wow.

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*think of*

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WHAT GIVES, FLYWHEEL?? They ghosted on you, aaand locked you out. SMH. Can't believe what I'm reading, poor, poor Dramabeans. It's upsetting just reading all of what you've been through, you two have actually lived it. Glad you got out of that mess, we still love and here for you.

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Fuck those guys. Fuck them in their stupid ears. I would write their name everywhere and leave all the bad reviews.

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My poor girls? I love this site more for all the annoyance you had to endure.

I'm glad DB left that good-for-nothing hosting company, he did not deserve you. I'm sure you'll find a hosting company that will meet your needs ?

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Their photos are at the bottom of this page:
https://getflywheel.com/wordpress-support/

lesle
Tallahassee, Florida, USA
http://astrayfrt.blogspot.com/

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Oh girls. No glitches would ever make me leave you or DB. Thank you for the hard work and you know we love you! ?

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Holy cow! You poor guys!!! ?

I knew you were having technical difficulties but not as bad as that.

Geez! I was wondering why in the Cheese in the Trap forum, it seemed like there was some confusion sometimes as if we weren't all reading the same comments. Or maybe that's selective memories. ?

Anyhow, thanks much for powering through so that it was smoother for us on this end.

And really a civil and amicable separation considering the circumstances. I'm not sure I wouldn't have done a Inha on their heads and bums, urrrrr?.

Fighting!

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I felt the anger with you as you were telling the story! LOL

Glad it's running smooth again, Dramabeans crew! We appreciate all the work you put in behind the scenes as well as the scenes themselves! <3

Get some sleep! ZzzzZzzz

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Thank you so much JB and GF for giving us this site and doing so much work to make it great and to keep it amazing.

Take care and all the best! Fighting!! :)

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#BIGHUGS

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so glad you cut your losses and decided to move on. that was really sh***y behaviour from that hosting company!

thanks for keeping us updated and your live for dramas like ours!

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Dramabeans ladies, I hope you move to the new host ASAP and never look back at Flywheel!!

Yeah I can understand your problems and struggles.. Even free blogs like blogspot or wordpress will make us going batshit crazy..

Btw let me ask if anyone experience the same small glitch as me, everytime I open DB there's small red X button that won't go away. I don't know if this is because my browser (firefox) or DB site. The glitch only appears not long ago.

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Perish the thought of a world without dramabeans - its terrifying. So from all of us readers here - THANK YOU & THEN SOME FOR BEING YOU. No matter where you are in the world there is no excuse for poor quality customer service especially with the arrogance of blaming the customer for their incompetence. I had no idea as to what you were going through and am glad you had the wherewithal to leave when you did. Also glad you had to just give us a laugh about it because that's life if you don't its just not pretty. Lets just chalk this up as a lesson learned and am hoping that your new host does extremely much better. If not, you may have to start siccing us fans on them - I'm sure they do not want that.

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I hate people. I would be devastated if this site was pulled down. I've been on here since 2012!

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Thank you Dramabeans. I really appreciate your hard work of all these years.

Been following you since 2007 and Dramabeans is my permanent site to visit even I only roam around here and there without commenting.

Thank you again for giving us such a joy of Korean drama and culture.

Ps hope you guys would release book vol 2 ;)

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I had been reading about your hosting issues but didn't know it was THAT bad! I actually was among the fortunate ones (or am I the only one?) to have not experienced any downtime accessing the site at all (or maybe I just didn't realize it happened). I also didn't know that you had moved servers (I honestly thought you were still with GD). What a nightmare!

If I may make a suggestion, maybe you should try backing up the site yourself? There's a plugin that I'm using that periodically backs up my database and files. Admittedly, I'm not too sure if the backups are usable as I have not had any opportunity to use them yet. I will refrain from naming the plugin (lest I be accused of endorsing it), but maybe you can look into a similar solution/scenario?

Finally, I hope you don't experience the same thing again in this lifetime or ever.

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Dang! I noticed some of the glitches but had no idea how much pain you guys went through fr months trying to get the website fixed. That you had to spend hours refreshing comments for shows like Cheese in the Trap is crazy and amazing.

Thanks so much for all your hard work and hopefully the new host will be a waaaaay better experience! :D

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That's just crazy! I knew some funky things were going on with the site, but to hear the story of what actually happened behind the scenes is just wow. I hope you never have to go through something like that again!

Like many others, I have also been here since Javabeans awesome recaps of Coffee Prince back in 2007 and knew I had stumbled across something special back then. I'm more of a reader than a participant in the comment section, but I feel like you all are my extended family or something. I love you guys!!! Thank you for everything! <3

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I think I had a hernia reading it. I totally empathise. Whenever viki did an update and things when pear- shaped and we had team members waiting hours twiddling our thumbs. Or when features disappeared? But omg I hope Flywheel burns. I always wanted to have a voice that count and you guys have an avenue to complain here. I can't believe you stayed that long with them.

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What a nightmare. :O

Glad you found a better host and thanks for naming the company. Customers should be warned.

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Thank you, Dramabeans, for a fantastic website! Love the reviews and glad your hosting issues have been resolved.

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Wow.. all this while I thought it was on my end because I did suffered from crappy internet connection lately.
I'm glad it was over & you move to new host. Things will be better after this, I'm sure of that, I'm holding all kdrama gods hostage to pray for it~
And these are not scathing at.all. If it were written by me, there will be Parental Advisory pop up before you can read the post.

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Well. my goodness, I really have to hand it to you girls for actually managing to not make it look like anything at all was happening. With the anguish you expressed (well done, by the way!) I am stunned to learn you were having any problems at all. I'm on DramaBeans at least 2-3 times a day and I've never once experienced any sort of glitch AT ALL. How did you keep it running so smoothly on the surface when all hell was breaking loose underneath? I've been in business 40 years and there's nothing worse than when your critical support system craps out but keeps denying it's their fault. I've been where you are and it was hell.
KUDOS to you, JavaBeans and GirlFriday. You girls are true pros - you really are. Witty, intelligent, funny, hard working...simply brilliant. I am your devoted fan. I think we all are!

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Should have hired the healer ajhumma, still glad its now okay for you guys!

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Dramabeans is a site that I check daily, more than any other site. What an ordeal you've been through with Flywheel! Thanks for sharing why your site would constantly crash
- I thought it was on my side! Thanks for ALL of your hard work, your passion for all things kdrama, your intelligence and humor and wit. Javabeans and Girlfriday - you and your larger recap team are the best! You provide unparalleled recaps. Simply the best out there! Thank you very kamsa!

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You ladies know I know your pain. Congratulations on your great escape - fighting!!

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Woah! Thanks for the behind-the-scenes.
Really appreciate the hard work you guys have put into this site. I visit you guys as regularly as social media sites (NOT GOOD) and after this, you still have my undying devotion!
All the best, DB team!

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Hey girls,

So impressed with-

A) all the work you put into DB
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B) Your strength in the face of shitty internet provider adversity.

Just had some thoughts about your experience. I don't know if you are going to think this is worth your time and energy at this point, but it sounds like Flywheel (more like BYEwheel, amirite?) owes you a fair whack of cash.

Depending on where the company is registered (hopefully US) there are clear consumer protections in place for the provision of goods and services (like, oh I don't know, internet hosting). If what you receive after providing money to a business did not fulfil your expectations of the product as it was marketed to you at the point of purchase, they are OBLIGED to refund you.

They basically owe you money for every time the site was unavailable, or for those months where service was substantially disrupted. From the looks of things, you could reports them to the consumer protection authority and expect to have a compelling case.

Again, I can understand if you do not have the caresies, but if it were me, I'd want my money. And satisfaction in the form of my internet fist their internet face.

Love Lil

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Wow. I hope your new host is much better. Good luck!

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How frustrating, all the way down to not actually being refunded!

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Don't forget that this whole experience can be reported to the Better Business Bureau here in the US. Be sure to send a copy of the letter/email to Flywheel and watch how fast you get your refund. No company wants an unanswered complaint with the BBB!

I love you all, admire your tenacity, and faithfully check the site each day to see what's new. Thanks for fighting so tenaciously on us readers' behalf to make sure that we can feed our K-drama addiction!

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+1000000

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The ads are looking like those kdrama streaming sites. WAAAAYYY TOO MANY! And tacky! Isn't there any other way?!?

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Oh my goodness what a nightmare! Thank you for doing such an awesome job getting through it and calling them out for their terrible ******* service. Wish you could get your money back somehow but I guess not having to deal with them is best.

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As a silent reader who doesn't comment very much, thank you so much for fighting so hard to keep this site up and running! I truly appreciate all your efforts and I'm horrified at your experience with this company. Keep up the good work~~

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I hope I could understand what yoh guys went through but I must admit I can't. I will be launching a website for our company and this just gave me some warning bells to ask whether is it Flywheel that we will be contacting for tech support, that would be like watching a drama that everyone is cursing for having spent their time on because director swapped, or PD swapped, or screenwriter went away, actors say buh bye and then labor strike. I'm pretty sure there was a drama that went downhill similarly like that... was it West of Eden? LOL

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