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1 redfox
January 15, 2016 at 6:02 AM
ah jeez hi.
what a devastating week. can´t tell how many people cried to me over skype. Bowie was their god. and then, bam! Another one bites the dust. I feel like I am living in a time, a final time, where all the legends have done their deeds and leaving. what the hell, Hans? you can stop falling now...
ah, depressing. I am in no mood to talk dramas.
Caught up to current episodes of SFD
Thinking of watching TWDR now. Would be logical?
Swallowed my anger at getting a girl drunk and watched Cheese in the trap, I dunno... is there any deeper plot? in some aspects, such a typical drama. But it can be funny at least. I dunno if I´ll stick to it.
We now have -20, finally, and 50 cm of snow. That makes me grin even if depressing things happen. and my feet are warm thanks to woolen socks made in Korea. Seriously the best socks I ever wore in winter.
there is something weird about the subtitles for Six Flying Dragons, with Bang Won and Da Kyung interactions, although it is a marriage for political reasons not love, she calls him (at least in the subs) "My dear" and it feels weird. What is the korean word and why do they translate it like that? it feels too intimate for what kind of marriage it is...
Question today: what is your best Made in Korea product at home? and how many do you have alltogether?
anyway, #RIPHansGruber Cheering up will take long...
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 6:03 AM
oh, and I am dying to watch Reply 1988, but we have a long night at work and I´ll be too tired. But those previews on Reply1988 Twitter! oh, man...
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 7:14 AM
and Reply... no Seo In Guk? neh? ahhh I´m... can´t you please? I have begged them so many times for his cameo. I guess nothing helps now.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 6:15 AM
I'll be trying for Three With Deep Roots as well. About time, methinks. I'm still a bit on the fence with Cheese in the trap as well. For some reason I think my staying depends on how the second lead female thing pans out.
My first Alan Rickman movie was Close My Eyes. My second Closetland. And of course Bowie has always been there. Not sure when he entered my mental world.
So far, am sad about the deaths but not devastated. Not sure why there's a lack of devastation. Not that I want to be devastated..but yeah, wondering why I'm kinda at peace about that. Might be i'm at that age where death -- esp of close friends and older celebs-- is such a normal occurrence. Younger folks wonder why we cry about Bowie when they never heard of him. At the same time, there are other actors much older who are dying or who have died --90 year olds etc-- whom those mourning Bowie never heard of. So it's just the daily occurrence, I think. After a while, death just feels numbing. Once in a while there is this terrifying squeal or overflow of grief and it's like.. oh my! I didn't know this death would devastate me so much. I cried so much when Orson Welles died I thought my heart would break.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 6:40 AM
yeah, I am not devastated as such, but I really feel for my friends. For them, it was a real loss - but so were Christopher Lee and many people from the movie industry that work behind the screen...
it is not the loss of specific people, but the feeling that it is an end of an era in so many ways.
at the same time, there are positive aspects about this new era, new young and talented singers, but you know, they are not as self-sufficient as the older generation of artists. managers front and back and too much media foam that runs them down shortly... but I guess they´ll grow
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 7:18 AM
I know what you mean. Wrote a poem for them this morning. https://www.hitrecord.org/records/2416021
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atz
January 15, 2016 at 7:53 AM
Alan Rickman was such a fine actor. i enjoyed his portrayal of Brandon from Sense and Sensibility. Obviously his role of Snape cemented his fame but even before Harry Potter, he was already well respected in British film industry. So sad,,,
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Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 7:59 AM
Agreed! Alan Rickman will be missed. He is an amazing actor and I love him to pieces.
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Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 8:01 AM
Love his distinct voice too.
pogo
January 15, 2016 at 8:43 AM
Alan Rickman's voice really was a work of art, oh goodness.
(in fact, I actually discovered the charms of one of my other British actor loves* because he could do a pitch-perfect impression of Rickman's voice - talk about greatness leading you to greatness!)
*Tom Hiddleston, if anyone was curious.
Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 9:35 AM
Here is one by Benedict Cumberbatch. I love Tom's too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnbN3Pya_AM&list=RDCnbN3Pya_AM#t=51
Kween Ramyeon
January 16, 2016 at 6:09 PM
I loved Alan Rickman's voice. He had a lot of presence.
Tom Hiddleston's too. He is another one of those intellectual actors. Think he got a first in Classics at Cambridge. Cumberbatch also has a brilliant voice. The latter two are great on stage too.
alua
January 15, 2016 at 11:35 AM
I think Harry Potter introduced him to a whole other generation. It's not like I hadn't seen him in anything before that, but I just wasn't attentive to who the actor was (because I was too young). And people even younger – who are twenty or younger now – probably would have never heard of Alan Rickman if not for HP.
What I love about the tributes is that he is not just being praised for his wonderful acting but that the heartfeltness of the tributes very much shows how wonderful (kind, generous, good friend) he was as a person.
There are a couple films of his that I had never heard of that thanks to the tributes I'm putting on my to-watch list now (the ghost one, the incest one, the galaxy one).
Best made Korean thing: I love my Korean chopsticks & spoon. I travel with them!
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August
January 15, 2016 at 8:36 AM
Alan Rickman: Even Better as a Romantic Lead
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/01/alan-rickman-even-better-as-a-romantic-lead/424140/
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 8:48 AM
I actually encountered him for the first time as Colonel Brandon in Sense & Sensibility, and couldn't have loved him more. It was so weird to think kind, sweet Colonel Brandon later played, well Snape. But that's the magic of great actors, they can play totally different people and be equally convincing as all of them.
but my Harry Potter fangirl heart loves that some fans decided to leave tributes to their Professor Snape at Platform 9 3/4.
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Anna
January 15, 2016 at 9:57 AM
First time I saw Alan Rickman in anything was as Obadiah Slope in the Barchester Chronicles, a BBC production from 1982. He was truly excellent in this show, so unctuous and slimy. Didn't see him again for many years in anything of note, but never forgot that wonderful performance. Very sad to hear of his death.
My favourite Made in Korea item is definitely my Cuckoo rice cooker. The model I have is a home market model, so everything is in Korean.
Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 1:08 PM
Sense & Sensibility for me too. My mom had a crush on him (my poor dad) and so she bought all his movies. She was obsessed with S&S.
Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 6:18 AM
I don't think I have Korean product at home, never really paid attention
oh my phone is Samsung, I thought that as something ^^
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korfan
January 15, 2016 at 7:19 AM
redfox -
Glad you're watching Six Flying Dragons! ...... And you know what? It does make sense to watch Tree With Deep Roots. That's what I've been thinking of doing also. Perhaps we'd see it with a new appreciation. Or perhaps a new perspective.
Regarding your question, the first thing that comes to mind is this round, black grill. I don't remember if it has a particular name. You put it over your stove burner, add a little water and you can grill veggies quickly!
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Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 7:57 AM
"Thinking of watching TWDR now. Would be logical?"
If spoilers doesn't bother you then go for it. It 'll help you understand some of the fictional part of SFD. It's very much connected to TWDR.
There is a few changes they made especially with the relationship between Moo-hul and Band Ji. They might make some more changes with Yeon Hee and Jeong Do-jeon too but we will see.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 8:44 AM
oh, thank you! spoilers dont bother me, I think, cause my mind is used to dealing with complex matrixes.
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Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 12:50 PM
Just don't steal my adorkable Warrior Moo-hyul lol. You'll probably understand why some of us are fangirling over him when you watch Tree.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 2:15 PM
I won´t steal, I am going to hang out with the ninja girls and YeonHee and Sa Kwang, take spying and swordwomanship and dance lessons and vote on best dressed guy.
kathy
January 15, 2016 at 10:33 AM
i'm actually wondering if another drama would come after to fill the gap between SFD and TWDR...
i don't think they will include Lee Bang Won rein in the series or the Strife of the Prince.
We are -20 episodes and what? 4 more years of the last king of Goryo..
i think the final part of the drama is going to concentrate on Lee Song Gye taking the throne.
not that i'm bothered, Lee Bang Woo is becoming one of my fav character in this series, when Moo Yul was in tree.
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Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 1:01 PM
There is basically an unconfirmed project called "Pachunhwang" under head writer Kim Young-Hyun's name.
Plot:
Depicts the friendship and battles of Jung Do-Jun and Yi Bang-Won during the early building process for the Joseon Dynasty. Jung Do-Jun was the most powerful Korean aristocrat and politician of his time, Yi Bang-Won was the fifth son of King Taejo and eventually became King Taejong, the third king of the Joseon Dynasty.
I am almost positive that it's going to be the continuation of SFD. SFD might end with the revolution and "Pachunhwang" will pick up from there.
Jeong Do-jeon and Bang-won's battle didn't really start until after Joseon was established. It took 6 years before Bang-won eliminate Jeong Do-jeon.
I also think it'll cover the early years of his reign up to the point where "The Great Sejong" starts off at.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 2:45 PM
that means there is a LOT to watch for SFD fans. some heavy workload tehe
kathy
January 15, 2016 at 3:15 PM
that sounds great!
what does Pachunhwang means?
kathy
January 15, 2016 at 3:16 PM
nevermind, i got this from AsianWiki:
Drama series title "Pachunhwang" refers to a Chinese proverb referring to the breaking of chaos before the creation of the world and used when someone achieves something that nobody has before.
pogo
January 15, 2016 at 8:34 AM
yeah, I was never a hardcore David Bowie fan but the news of his death was a bit of a jolt to the system. As was the news of Alan Rickman's death - I just sort of assumed they'd be around forever, however illogical and stupid that is.
But I certainly wasn't devastated. The only celebrity deaths that really got to me on a personal level were Heath Ledger in 2008 and Lee McQueen in 2010 - especially the latter. I remember texting the friend who broke the news to me, telling him he was lying because I simply didn't want to believe it. I never knew him personally (duh) but it did make me feel happy sometimes, to live in a world where someone's mind could come up with the kind of things his did.
As for Korean-made products in my house: My favourite ones are our chopsticks - they're typical metal ones, and they have a lovely floral engraving on the handles. They're probably the most elegant eating implements I have ever owned, and I love using them for rice, noodles and even, on occasion, pasta.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 8:45 AM
yeah talk about Heath Ledger, that time, I think I was exactly 1 year older than him, and it felt frightening and unbelievable.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 8:57 AM
yeah, it felt extra unreal to me because my generation knew him first as a teen heartthrob and only then as the acclaimed young actor he became, it sounded extra unbelievable to think that the boy from 10 Things I Hate About You was gone at such a young age. If he'd lived, I have no doubt he'd be tearing up those awards left and right - for all the noise about Leonardo DiCaprio (another tween-era crush of mine, pre-Heath), in terms of raw talent, Ledger was the real thing.
I feel sad that David Bowie and Alan Rickman are gone, but they lived long and full lives, so it's something worth celebrating.
but when an artist dies young, it's hard not to feel bad. Amy Winehouse was another one - she was just a year older than me, but I admired a lot about her and was rooting for her to recover. It was even sadder to know she died as a result of trying to quit drugs, she wanted to live :/ And I will never forget the day I was told McQueen was dead, it sounds melodramatic but it really felt like a light had gone out of the world.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 9:04 AM
I wasn´t a fan of Amy, but it makes me annoyed and angry and helpless that talented people are being, how to say, all the matters with drugs and the media is only after the scandal, it feels like vultures pushed them over the cliff and I am just....ugh! They not only died too early, but unfairly! in a very regrettable way! and I mean, it could have been prevented if people weren´t so blinded by the glitter on the surface and just saw the human being beneath it. same was with michael Jackson, I felt angry and vengeful. Unjust, unfair!
iamdeb
January 15, 2016 at 10:50 AM
Alexander Mcqueen and Robin Williams hit me really hard. I think it was because they were both so talented, young and both chose to end their lives themselves.
The "celeb" death that hit me the hardest and still hurts was Jeff Buckley's. Oddly enough, I didn't discover him till the early 00's in the midst of a terrible depression and his music was such a soothing balm. When I found out he had died tragically at a young age, I mourned so deeply like it had just happened.
Anyway, I really do think we will be losing alot of older legends in the next few years. I'm bracing myself for it.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 11:06 AM
I think suicides always leave a huge burden of guilt on the people around them, and to a lesser extent on the people who knew and loved them more indirectly through their work (as most fans do)
I don't have a creative bone in my body, and chose a rather prosaic profession pretty early on, but the existence of people like McQueen and Williams made me feel better about the world in general - just knowing that it contained people with such incredible minds. And coming face to face with that work just drives home the point even more - I went to the V&A's McQueen exhibition last summer, and it really did feel like getting a peek into the mind of the man himself. The sheer audacity involved in the conception of some of the things i saw.... it really was art.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 1:54 PM
talk about that, in the 1990ies, with a certain KC...one of my classmates came to school dressed in black for a whole year.
redfox
January 15, 2016 at 2:54 PM
about Robin Williams: people ask why would he, but they cannot imagine the pressure on a person who is creative and senses that he has to function 150% to be himself. everyone thinks talented people dont feel pressured or doubt themselves, they aleays think talented ones are carefree and relaxed. but this is wrong - they doubt their abilities the most already, they are their own worst critics, and if you add a sickness to THAT it just explodes. there were long discussions of depression and different reasons behind why people just cant take it anymore, I compared depression to a battle. you think if you destroy the army of darkness, it is over. but what really makes people quit is walking over the endless field of dead bodies left from that battle. it might seem like there is nothing to rebuild. thats what gets them...
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 3:13 PM
yes, that's part of why I felt so bad as a fan about McQueen especially - the idea that by admiring their work, we were putting unbearable pressure on them to turn out more of it, at a pace that perhaps they as human beings couldn't deal with. Or that we valued the products over the person. Which is a really somber note to reflect on.
alua
January 15, 2016 at 11:39 AM
Hehehe! I just put my favourite Korean-made thing are my Korean chopsticks & spoon! I only have one set though, as every time I've gone back to the Korean supermarket I originally bought them in, they only sell rose ones or plain ones, designs I don't like. (Mine have some sort of tree that obviously must grow in Korea.)
So I don't share mine, it's my one precious set of K chopsticks & spoon. ^_^
I'm fond of my dolsot too but my chopsticks are daily use & travel with me.
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ellen
January 15, 2016 at 9:37 AM
My black leather Perlina handbag.
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Sun
January 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM
Da Kyung called him 서방님 (seo-bang-nim), which means "husband" in a respectful way.
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2 Dead Mafia
January 15, 2016 at 6:03 AM
[Spoiler]
RIP JungHwan - Deoksun Shippers.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 3:19 PM
you know, I was SO SURE that was the ship even though I'd been Taekked long ago.
There's going to be some raging in the recap comments, that's for sure. Or grief. But I thought the show made a really valid point about it - he NEVER spoke up, even though he knew or guessed that Deok-sun liked him, and he liked her.
It's a case of a chance at connection being lost because of pride or hesitation, and if Jung-hwan had spoken up straight up even once, I'd be mad at the writer too - even Yoon-jae managed to confess to Shi-won (and that confession scene still gives me goosebumps). But Jung-hwan just doesn't, and in the meantime Deok-sun's own feelings change.
but I think they really did intend Jung-hwan to be the husband at first, based on the adult Jung-hwan's mannerisms. They only started changing that after jumping ship to Taek.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 3:28 PM
I dont mind complaints and raging, but the JungPal fans on twitter and other places are being just downright immature, hateful, vicious brats at this moment, who are wishing for Taek to die or be kidnapped and say it is out of the blue, when it actually isnt, or that it is REVENGE towards the fans, oh cmon chill.
first of all, it is not for fans to decide, it is the writer and PD
second, I am not a shipper nor do I have anythings strictly against JungHwan, but he is not overwhelming me as a character eiether (I like JungBong much better!)
third, hating a character or saying if it wasn´t Park Bo Gum - yeah, well you are right about that, if it wasn´t PBG I don´t think Taek would have been as nuanced and as appealing, but no, decisions won´t have been made just because of him.
fourth, vicious fans are ruining it for themselves. sit back and enjoy the show, accepting whatever events is part of watching experience. don´t be half-laced.
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Cousland
January 15, 2016 at 8:57 PM
I was on the 'JH is the husband' train all the way up to last week, despite Taek winning me over. I was sure AM 88 was going to be one of those rare times were I ship the second lead with the main and it was going to end, as it always has, with me being very disappointed.
The recap comment section is not going to be for the faint hearted.
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3 Sancheesy
January 15, 2016 at 6:14 AM
Choi Taek!! , we have 1 more ep tomorrow
I just start 4 episode of Nirvana in fire and I watched it twice,
I want to understand it better, I hope it have a better ending, so far, I would watch it if I have strength but it kind of addicting
I finish bu bu jing xin and that make me worried about the Korean adaptation,
It feels like the whole show driven by these chemistry, this simple gesture and the way they saw each other.
The story is intriguing but for me, the cast is what sold the show.
Those simple smile, slighty looking at each other, knowing things that nobody knew,
the 4th prince really tried my patiente, 'he makes me want to try kabedon'
I hope the remake gonna be good cause I really have problem with bad remake,
honeslty, the only reason this drama has to be remake is to replace the CGI effect,
but it altready decided.
The feeling reminds me OOku: the inner chamber the 12 ep one with Masato Sakai, it's also one hell of cry fest for me.
This week also has one of the best duet of ep 41 king oas mask singer,
Scar deeper than love by snow queen and farinelli
aaah farinelli should snatch the throne today, still sad that General Kim fail in ep 38
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gadis
January 15, 2016 at 7:27 AM
Hello fellow Mask Singer viewer... *waving hand*
Gosh, that duet was one of the best I've heard. And I was still feel cheated that I couldn't have them both on the second round. I hope someone snatch the throne. Cat Girl is amazing, but being king for 4 generations are more than enough.
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 7:39 AM
Hi too ^^
I feel conflicted cause that duet will never happen or as good as it now if they are in separate match.
I agree cat girl is ready to leave the throne, I love her but I really wish general kim can be king too.
Anyway, they release the mp3 of the "check it out" and "snow queen" individual stage, when they reveal themself, (they deserve it)
I can't wait for this week
Farinelli is freaking good.....
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potato
January 15, 2016 at 4:48 PM
i'm glad that u watched it twice because I didn't watch it closely at first so it took me like half the drama to fully grasp the story...when everything connected it was just epic!! I'm on my second time watching the whole drama again and it just make me appreciates it even more
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Sancheezy
January 16, 2016 at 12:47 AM
Haha it's addicting
I am curious about next ep, tried to marathon it just to realized, I lost some explanation in between.
So now I plan to watch it carefully
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4 drawde2000
January 15, 2016 at 6:16 AM
You bitch!!
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5 drawde2000
January 15, 2016 at 6:17 AM
I meant you bitch, Dead Mafia!! Die I tell you! Die!!
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Dead Mafia
January 15, 2016 at 6:22 AM
I even don't want JH is DS husband anymore.
I was JH - DS shipper, but now I am team #JungHwanHappiness
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Dead Mafia
January 15, 2016 at 6:23 AM
Yes, RIP my old ship. RIP my old self.
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nomad
January 15, 2016 at 1:28 PM
calm down will you?
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nomad
January 15, 2016 at 1:29 PM
Oh, above comment is for Gelai
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6 fanwho
January 15, 2016 at 6:18 AM
Happy Friday! This is me for the 3 day weekend :))
A few things-
1. Our trash oppa Jung Woo is getting married tomorrow(16th). You might know already- lady is Kim Yoo-mi who was awesome Jin-sook in Cruel/Heartless city. Hope she can land on another cool role. I know people didn't like her in her last drama 'Can we love'. I first saw her in the drama 'Sangdo' (by PD Lee of DaeJangGeum). I remember she was so tall that she looked odd (I had same impression with Lee Yo-won. Who knew the day would come when EVERYBODY is tall- like now).
2. There are several sites which did voting on 'Who is the man- UNamRyu or UNamTaek?'. All cases had more votes for UNamRyu (Ryu JY/Jung-hwan is the husband). On Naver survey which 254,000 people participated, Jung-hwan got 57.8% of votes, and 42.2% went to Taek (as of 15th 1pm K-time).
btw (SPOILER: Taek and Sun-duk's dreamlike kiss was not dream after all!)
Jo Jin-woong (Our beloved warrior Moo-yeol in 'Tree with deep roots') said that he cried the most while watching Reply series in the 'Signal' press conference which will be aired after Reply 88
Guess what? I can totally imagine that- He looks such a soft-hearted bear.
3. I love not-plastic-beautiful-but-has-acting-chops actresses filling the TV screen these days-
-Han Ye-ri/Yoon Rang-Cheok Sa-gwang in SFD,
-Park So-dam/Song-yi in 'Because it's the first time',
-Kim Go-eun/Seol in 'Cheese in the trap'.
I wonder if this new welcome trend will continue. Is there any new trend you want to see coming?
4. Two more dramas that I was watching ended.
-Imaginary cat: I could see Yoo Seong-ho with his cat/Bok-gil forever. Such a cute show, and I love the BG's voice (Han ye-ri/female warrior CSG in SFD - how talented is she!)
-Sweet and Saveage family: WTH with the final two episodes? So disappointed with this drama. Adult casts were so good.
Anyway I am looking forward to new batch of dramas starting next week!
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 6:38 AM
Oh my gosh! Do I dare watch the final episode of Sweet Savage? I'm like.. I understand hero's conscience and all but we do not want him to be the only one getting into self-questioning? True, he's been an abuser as well as a victim. But let's be fair. We have seen him being victimized far more than we saw him being a thug. It's not about the victim's guilt right now (which is fine as I said) but it's about the chairman's family (the abuser's) also coming to terms with their own guilt. Shouldn't they also reflect?
So then.. should I watch the finale, or will I be screaming my head off in anger?
Maybe I should just catch up on Imaginary Cat to calm my wrath against SSV?
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 6:47 AM
your point 3 v- thank goodness! can we hope that the actors´ individuality will not get ruined by plastic surgery in the future? cause now they see that if they want to cast someone for a very original character, they also need originality in that person (also Jung-Hwan!)
or just people whose beauty comes from something else than perfect face. Like a smile that can stop a train (Bogummy! but he is cutiepie anyway )
I remember the argument about Yoo Ah In´s ears - somebody said "do something about them!" OMG they are a trademark! They are his fingerprint! why do people obsess on "fixing" others when there is no need? it is so insulting.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 7:17 AM
and Kim Seul-Gi is another girl who is sort of tomboyish, not a standard beauty, but has this... personal charm. she is like a hot air balloon. hope they don´t change her.
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Quiet Thought
January 16, 2016 at 10:41 AM
Hey, ears are what you make of them. I see pictures of Barack Obama's Irish-American grandfather once and that straight-sided face and those proudly prominent ears were unmistakable.
http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2013/223/25406984_137635940273.jpg
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Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 8:07 AM
Jo Jin-woong is the reason why I love Warrior Moo-hyul to pieces. Yoon is doing good and I can not wait for his dragon episode.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 3:27 PM
I'm so happy for Trash Oppa getting married, I liked Kim Yu-mi a lot in Cruel City so I think they'll make a lovely couple.
And I guess all bets are off on 1988 and we know who the husband is going to be..... it's certainly not who I expected at the start! But it was who I was rooting for, which flew in the face of all previous Answer Me husband hunts.
Count me in as another fan of the new wave of talented young actresses. I hope the trend of these girls getting leading roles continues. (and a trend I would like to see in kdrama is casting better actors, in general. Not that it's ever going to happen, but I'd rather see kdramas cast on the basis of acting ability than idol status/how many endorsements a candidate for a role has.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 4:01 PM
and even if there are idol actors they better be serious about learning and impoving and work hard on their skills instead of riding on popularity. nothing against a talented idol who is actually putting in effort and taking advice from the more experienced.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 4:45 PM
yeah, you never see anyone bitching out Yoon Doo-joon or Jung Eun-ji even though they're idols - because they actually turn in good performances/show potential.
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7 teesui
January 15, 2016 at 6:29 AM
Good morning beanies!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Yoon Shi Yoong being discharged in a few weeks???
I can't wait until he goes back to filming dramas. Esp ones with broody shower scenes!
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August
January 15, 2016 at 7:17 AM
@ tee_sui, you're correct.
"Yoon Shi Yoon to Return After Completing Military Service"
http://www.soompi.com/2016/01/14/yoon-shi-yoon-to-return-after-completing-military-service/
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korfan
January 15, 2016 at 7:21 AM
tee_sui -
Yes! I just read this earlier. He should be returning shortly.
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teesui
January 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM
Surprising that there haven't been any news/leaks about potential castings for YSY.
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korfan
January 15, 2016 at 7:54 AM
tee_sui -
I'm only guessing, but maybe it has something to do with the question if he'll be signing with an agency or not. I think it's unknown at this time.
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owl
January 15, 2016 at 10:06 AM
Yoon Shi Yoon is such a charmer in all the right ways. Looking forward to seeing him on my screen again, soon.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 10:52 AM
I was cynical of his sweetness at first and truly disliked him because I thought he was fake. But he really is a sweetie.
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owl
January 15, 2016 at 12:30 PM
Really? I loved him in Me Too, Flower and King of Baking. Then he was a member of the 26 episode Barefoot Friends where we really got to know more about him (and he did a tribute song to his grandfather called grandpa's bicycle which was so tenderhearted). On to FBND (Enrique!!) and The Prime Minister and I. Also, didn't he have a tiny role in Secret Garden? Anyhoot, love his adorable traditional small town childhood/education self and can't wait to see him again, out of the Army and in top ship-shape :)
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Kween Ramyeon
January 18, 2016 at 9:32 AM
He was really good in Baker Kim and Flower Boys Next Door - and he was good in Me Too, Flower, though a bit miscast.
I was really surprised at how he was like on variety shows - he got teased a lot for having pastel coloured sheets in his bedroom (which incidentally, was full of books). Seemed really shy and sweet.
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8 Daehoney
January 15, 2016 at 6:33 AM
After several months of absence, I managed to binge-watch Korean movies again.
Veteran
Entertaining, entertaining, entertaining. No wonder it's called film of the year. You can watch several times without getting bored. The plot is actually simple and nothing new, but, you know, Ryu Seung Wan's directing has been eye candy. That, plus the ruthlessly handsome Yoo Ah In.
The Throne
Korean selection for Academy Awards. But, well, I don't know. It's good, tragic, but I couldn't feel the suffocating rice chest. And YAI here is almost the same with YAI in Veteran.
The Priests
Yeah, Kang Dong Won! Kim Yoon Seok! I like it. I'm not a Catholic, so it's interesting to see how exorcism is done. Plus, KDW speaks Latin. Plus, I've got to hear him sing again. Ok I'm a bit biased.
But the biggest surprise is actually Park Sodam. Good actress. Hope she will only go up from here.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 6:40 AM
I've got to see Veteran and The Priests. Thanks.
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korfan
January 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM
Daehoney -
I keep on hearing many positive comments about these movies. I've been wondering about Veteran. I did see a clip somewhere about The Throne and it did in fact look intense and tragic.
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9 CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 6:35 AM
Hello all:
Let's see: Writing, Reviewing, Anticipating good things and simultaneously dreading bad things. Fighting off a resurgence of PTSD. Looking out at a dreary winter sky. It's majorly, bitterly, cold.
Dramas:
Moorim School: I like it. I'm pretty picky with idol dramas and kid dramas. I just have to be in the mood to deal with all the kiddie angst, esp kiddie angst about musician idols. But this drama hit the sweet spot for me. Whether it goes light or dark, I'm in for the ride I think.
Cheese in the Dark: It's okay. Am liking the second lead guy a lot. He's accessible and his story arc is the most important to me.
Six Flying Dragon: Awaiting the topknot and the dissolution of the revolution. What a seriously good drama! I shall have to watch Tree With Deep Roots now.
Sweet Savage Family: Trying not to be angry as I prepare to watch the finale. I just knew there'd be one of those annoying easy forgiveness redemption arc for Chairman and his family, and seriously..if GiBum becomes "good" simply to please his daughter I am going to scream.
Remember: Kinda dreading watching this. I'm liking it but wow, evil is so present. And when one considers documentaries such as Making of a Murderer then one knows all kinds of evil is perpetrated by supposed law enforcement. Is my poor heart going to be harrowed for the next remaining episodes? I seriously can't stand injustice.
That's why I'm finding it hard to watch Glamorous Temptation. Why is it so high in the ratings? How can Korean Ahjummas bear the stress of all that unrelenting injustice and untruth?
All about My Mom: Seriously!!!! I am so uncaring now about mom's sudden diagnosis of terminal lung cancer. Yep, I loved Mom and all but right now I seriously do not care because organic story dropped out of this drama a long time ago. Yes, yes, all storytelling is manipulation but this is just off the charts annoying.
Jang Yeong Sil: Really liking this and loving to see how stuck in time and their worldview the court and the king was. Love the educational aspect of it. Kinda wanting our hero to get to the court already.
Awaiting, Descendants, Signal, Madame Antoine.
Happy weekend, all.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 7:03 AM
I am thinking whether to start Tree right away and watch it while I wait for new episodes of Dragons, or wait until Dragons are over?
what would make more sense?
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 7:15 AM
With me, it's more about fitting in a drama. I figure some new dramas are rolling in next week so it's either now or after I've figured out which of the new dramas I will actually watch. Since I've pretty much stopped watching All about Mom on the weekends, I'm lucky enough to have my weekends free. So I hope to start this weekend.
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wonhwa
January 15, 2016 at 7:28 AM
Assuming the writers stick to the mythology they created in Tree, you might want to wait until after SFD as Tree will contain a lot of spoilers. However, I would highly recommend Tree in general - while I was a bit underwhelmed with the final episodes, there is some extraordinary writing in it, especially if you like compelling intellectual argument.
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nomad
January 15, 2016 at 1:26 PM
What also makes sense is to watch TWDR and skip the final episode. Seriously. I'm broken hearted from it.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 4:18 PM
Oh my gosh! Thanks for the warning.
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korfan
January 15, 2016 at 7:49 AM
Carole -
We're on the same wavelength----I want to watch Tree With Deep Roots also! It's been forever on my "To Watch Later" List. Finding time to do it though, is the issue. One of these days!
Regarding Remember, I've only watched up to ep 6, but I'm already getting the feeling things are not going to either end well or end on a happy note. I'm ok with that though ...... at least that's what I'm saying right now.
Take care and stay warm!
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 8:20 AM
I can see Dad dying but being vindicated after death. Or losing his memory and not realizing he is vindicated. Or being free but now with the memory of a dead or mentally-destroyed son. I want a happy ending. I refuse to go through a harrowing drama just to end up with sorrow. Especially now that I'm trying to get my strength up to see Sweet Savage Family.
I so wish so many Kdramas wouldn't swing so wildly between kdrama forgiveness and utter nihilism where the victimized are never fully restored to happiness. It's like.. are the powers that be so powerful or is money and destructive wealth fated to be forgiven because it's all part of some weird destiny. These are moments when I want some theological/cultural expert to explain this kind of stuff to me.
Thank you. Am doing better. Writing. And the post about Alan Rickman felt like a poem attempting to come through so I allowed the creative flow. Lots to do today but somehow not in the mood. Wanting to spend all day writing poems instead of working on the novel i'm supposed to be writing. Seriously hating deadlines.
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korfan
January 15, 2016 at 9:41 AM
Carole -
"...where the victimized are never fully restored to happiness."
I'm guessing that it may stem from a belief that happiness doesn't happen as a pure, isolated state, if that makes any sense. It's hard-won, it's a struggle not to lose it and it includes, more likely than not, emotional pain ..... if there is some sort of trauma or tragedy involved, then you have the memory of this added. In other words, happiness goes hand-in-hand with pain, intertwined.
Then there's the issue of having baddies/enemies involved. As much as we may dislike it, in real life it is true that the bad guys win for a variety of reasons and kdramas are quite adept at not shying away from this reality.
Hang in there with those deadlines!
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 10:57 AM
Perhaps. I just hate the way the dramas have so many protags turn away from judging the one who has wounded them to judging their own lives. It's very -- too-- look at the beam in your own eye. I suspect the Korean spirituality with its mix of Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Muism, can lead to this wholesale forgiving of personal friends who betray and acceptance of larger evil. It's like..really?
Am trying to meet those deadlines but have been surfing the net all day. I did finish a review though. So... something done I guess.
August
January 15, 2016 at 8:13 AM
Remember – War of the Son: "Kinda dreading watching this." Me too, more so for the writing though. Didn't watch it this week. From the beginning, so much of it felt manufactured to tug at the heartstrings. Knowing the drama being is scheduled for 20 episodes and already I really want to drop it - not good. I'm holding on and trying to stay tuned for Yoo Seung-Ho.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 10:58 AM
YES! 20 episodes! How much of a wringer and blocked paths and point counter point scheming and counter-scheming are we gonna endure? It doesn't have the hope Two Weeks ( with LJK) had. It might turn out well for our hero but...
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 1:52 PM
Dayum! I just saw Remember episode 10 and now I DEMAND vengeance and a happy ending. Not looking like a perfect ending since hero may have inherited early-onset Alzheimers as well, but if it's like Punch, he will destroy his enemies while he can.
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windsun33
January 15, 2016 at 10:02 AM
You are doing better than I am - I am not watching a single k-drama ATM. A J and a C one, but that is it. Just kind of burned out on the long string of kid/high school and formula-driven romance shows.
I gave up on All About My Mom a long time ago - I was actually starting to get creeped out by that almost incestuous mother/son thing. Glamorous Temp also gave up on - after her leaving/not leaving the house about the 5th time it was starting to feel like Groundhog Day.
I may pickup on Moorim - it sounds a bit different, but waiting for at least 4 episodes to be subbed. Aside from that, it is feeling dry as a desert out there.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM
The reason I like Moorim is because it's youthful, vaguely J-drama school esque without being all regular teenaged angsty.
All about Mom is being downright ridiculous. I kinda raised my eyebrow when the abusive Ex husband just left the picture after feeling guilty. That seemed so utterly untrue and lacking in awareness of how cruel selfish and irrational abusers are. I got so annoyed the writer couldn't follow through and wondered if KBS had sent word to keep everything sweet and weekend.
Then that stupid accident at the construction site. Then the incestuous single mom CEO gets back into a relationship with the guy who dumped her. Oh my God! "long-suffering" viewer that I am I just wanted to scream.
Then there was the creepy thief who falls in love with oppa.
But when Mom got lung cancer, I thought, "Oh stop this idiocy, writer-nim! There is no organic storytelling in this work at all. Just pilling on stuff and not working out anything in the plot. I'm cold now. I don't care if Mom dies and gets impaled. I've lost all patience. Even if she comes back as a ghost, I will not care.
Glamorous Temptation is ridiculous but it has one storyline..just one. Which irks me. ONE stupid storyline with two or three events happening all over again. Caught, threatened, escape, caught, threatened, escape. Punctuated every once in a while with possible murder and death. John endures it I think because he has more patience with silliness. I'll jump back into it when the repetition stops.
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10 Sera The Ms Temper
January 15, 2016 at 6:35 AM
It is totally suprised me Seo Kang Joon offered as a lead in Tyrant on now changed to Monster? He is likeable in CITT but in melo? I dont think he is ready yet. ? especially for drama comes from Giant's writer. ?
Fantagio really did a good job for SKJ, looking at how he keeps getting roles and lead role in the drama. But when i remember my princess soeun i feel sad for her. ?
Anyway, have a nice weekend chingus!too exhausted this week due to works so at the moment can only follow IHAL and CITT only! Looking forward to try Moorim ?
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 7:50 AM
I find it surprising too
There's lot of actor in the same age with him I think.
I don't want to compare but I don't think he is ready too
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Sera The Ms Temper
January 15, 2016 at 9:09 AM
He is actually very young, still in early 20s.
I dont think i am ready to see him in something i considered as big. While i do like him in CITT but Hwajung scarred me with his acfing. He is not the worse but considering his abilitity now, light roles suit him more.
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Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 8:11 AM
"Fantagio really did a good job for SKJ"
I wish they did more for their talented actors like Kim So-eun.
Did she renew her contract? I was hoping that she would drop them.
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Sera The Ms Temper
January 15, 2016 at 9:03 AM
She left fantagio. Until now still no news on her new agency. I wish by the end of this month, we will hear something on this
I really wish she will go for a better agency.
Agree. I dont know maybe Kim So Eun doesnt have enough star power like seo Kang Joon. ?
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11 korfan
January 15, 2016 at 6:45 AM
Hi Everyone! ....... I hope you are all doing well today.
Watched this week:
Six Flying Dragons - I don't know any of the technical details that go along with framing a shot for a drama, but I know a gorgeous scene when I see it and this drama has many of them. ..... What a fantastic drama, both story-wise and visually.
Remember - I find the lawyer with the colorful suits quite interesting.
Oh My Venus - 3 more episodes to go and I still find Henry saying "Ma'am" kind of cute. It works for him.
That's all for now. ....... Everyone take care and have a great Friday!
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 7:15 AM
SFD is seriously beautiful!
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korfan
January 15, 2016 at 7:56 AM
Carole -
Definitely!
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wonhwa
January 15, 2016 at 7:30 AM
The fight sequences in particular are gorgeous, as well as some of the things they do with light. The editing also seems to have calmed down a bit, which I appreciate.
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korfan
January 15, 2016 at 8:03 AM
wonhwa -
Yes, that's it! The light! ..... I don't know if it's natural outdoor light, or artificial light or whatever else, but the colors, shades and textures I'm seeing are amazing.
What can I say about the fighting sequences. Also wonderful.
Seriously, there's nothing about this drama that makes you want to look away.
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AJK
January 15, 2016 at 10:18 AM
I love the lawyer with the colorful suits and wanted to stay with Remember just for him, but Puppy Dog Eyes finally defeated me. I'm sticking with the recaps until the action picks up.
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12 ren
January 15, 2016 at 6:54 AM
Hi OP friends!!
I'm still on a drama coma and haven't been able to watch many kdramas since 2015 has been a bummer. However, I've been digesting here and there on some few dramas and 2016 looks promising!!
Remember (SBS)- I love all the actors and characters, heroes or villains etc. but I hate how its dragging and stretching the plot going off pace as it goes along. Why can't the writers make Jin-Woo uses his abilities for the greater good.
The Beautiful You (MBC)- All the craziness I missed from a typical daily kdrama like "Temptation of Wife" that makes the fights in here almost seem comical. The family/relationship nuisance is really annoying here that I can't stop watching.
All About My Mom (KBS)- im happy that this drama is ending soon. It was a mess I shouldnt have brought myself into because of the cast. Nonetheless, KBS Daesang was well deserved for mommy. The oldest hyung/oppa relationship is more fun~
6FD (SBS), Reply 1988 (tVn)- I'm behind about 2 episodes. I really want to enjoy it. But dont have many of those times where I can soak an entire episode in without any breaks. Enjoying them so much that I dont care anything else beside Lee Bang Ji and Yoon Hee. And the Reply parents.
Anyways thx dramafans. Love this OP.
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13 redfox
January 15, 2016 at 7:01 AM
oh btw I read on Soompi about the CF offers the Reply cast has gotten and now I really want to see Ra Mi Rans´ CF´s. can anyone help me? Youtube search came up with some really messy stuff korean entertainment news etc
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fanwho
January 15, 2016 at 9:43 AM
You could google on '라미란 cf':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMF8ZJH8tWc
(substitute housewife-for cleanning, cooking)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3SnYpmmZZA
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14 gadis
January 15, 2016 at 7:09 AM
Hello beanies..
-Cheese in the Trap: I'm completely hooked. I just love this show. It's been a long time since the last time I found kdrama characters and their lives so engaging. But somehow, Seol's college live just resonate so much with mine. And it's nice that they don't set Inho up to fall for Seol from their first meet, instead Jung become the biggest reason they keep interacting. Can't wait for the next 2 eps.
-Reply 1988: Seriously, they don't need to drag that love triangle until the last week. But since the finale is almost here... I just want you to be happy, Deoksun~ah.
-Moorim School: I guess I was spoiled by all the good shows that airing right now (like CiTT, 6FD, and Reply), but I just can't get past all that sloppy directing and bad acting. And however much I love fantasy story, this drama is far too cheesy for my liking. Maybe I'll just read recaps to know how the story progress.
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Jon G.
January 15, 2016 at 10:47 AM
Well, the "second lead with ulterior motives who falls for the female lead eventually" is not exactly original, but it's better than many other stereotypes. And, yes, college is a little bit more than a theme-park here.
Hehe. I'm not sure about it.
On the one hand, I don't care about Deok-sun and the triangle too much when the show has so many much more interesting characters and relations to offer. (Seriously, I find Jung-hwan so much more interesting when he interacts with his brother than when he pretends to be cool around Deok-sun.)
On the other hand, it has been dragged and stalled enough by now. Nothing happened in four years? Like, at all?
On the third hand, >17% in ratings and 600 comments on Dramabeans: congratulations, tvN, you know how to win a ship war ...
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15 john
January 15, 2016 at 7:18 AM
Watching:
K dramas:
AM1988 : Gonna miss the gang.
CITT: Dog Fur, don't drink with scumbags !
Dazzling Temptations: Waiting on subs for this weeks eps.
C dramas:
Disguiser: On hold
Legend of Qin: Like it so far (ep 18)
Cuo Dian Yuan Yang: Zhao Li Ying is so cute.
J dramas: Want to check out Garasu no Ashi
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 11:11 AM
You are sooooooooooooooo patient with Glamorous Temptation. Waiting for episode 40.
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16 민규야~
January 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM
Remember is really gooood! Hut very frustrating at the same time. I bawled my eyes out when Jinwoo rrceived a call about his father's passing. Can't wait for next week's episode!
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17 gadis
January 15, 2016 at 7:28 AM
Hello fellow Mask Singer viewer... *waving hand*
Gosh, that duet was one of the best I've heard. And I was still feel cheated that I couldn't have them both on the second round. I hope someone snatch the throne. Cat Girl is amazing, but being king for 4 generations are more than enough.
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 7:43 AM
Do you have any idea who is cat girl?
I think she ia Seo Muntak but that mostly becauase of her figure ams rocker vibe, otherwise..I have no idea
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fanwho
January 15, 2016 at 9:52 AM
singer Cha Ji-Yeon. It has been known? for a while.
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 10:51 AM
Oh thanks, I must have missed that ^^
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18 dramamad
January 15, 2016 at 7:39 AM
guys i hate to spoiler myself for Reply 1988. However i did see a few comments saying the JH-DS ship has sunk. (retreats to corner and whimpers).
I've been obsessed this week. All week i've been like - it has be CT it makes sense.
But Jung Hwanaaa - nooooo!
But its natural its CT, all the signs point to CT. I mean the older husband is a smoker. If thats not a dead give away then i dont know what it.
But Jung Hwanaaa - nooooo!
Its definitely CT - did you see DS expression during the confession.
But Jung Hwanaaa - nooooo!
So im taking myself off Dramabeans till tuesday when the subs come out. I'll probably cry tears of blood. But i hope i wont be on my own.
Request to DB - can you please make a special edition open thread on Tuesday for all those waiting till Tue to watch the finale for reply 1988.
Fingers crossed guys. Have a great time watching! its been a good run regardless of sunk ships
But Jung Hwanaaa - nooooo!!!!!
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19 Ace
January 15, 2016 at 7:40 AM
Hi all,
I just finished watching Answer Me 1988 E19 and... *cries*
But I still have hope ... #TeamJunghwan
Sorry, but I didn't feel any chemistry between the couple in the other ship. I feel like I should be happy for them, but I feel nothing watching their "sweet" scenes together. Anyway, waiting for the recaps tomorrow and the final episode tomorrow night.
On the other hand, I've watched Cheese in the Trap whenever I can and lost count how many times I've watched the first four episodes. Crack drama of the year (unless something changes in AM1988). But seriously, the chemistry between Jung and Seol is so good that I blush (when I don't think anything can make me at my age) thinking about them just holding hands. There are also a lot of scenes showing their hands that's just lovely (thanks PD-nim).
I can't wait until Monday. And hopefully they would also release OST Part.3 which would include the great songs I've heard as BGM in episodes 3 & 4.
Too bad that that-site-that-shall-not-be-named are the ones doing the subs for AM1988. Unless something good happens in E20 *crosses fingers*, I'd be watching CITT first even if the subbed episodes come out at the same time on Tuesday.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 7:54 AM
what do you mean if something good happens? is only the Jung Hwan option good? I think that is a little unfair. just because you feel shaky about your ship, lets just see how it goes. I am no shipper but in all honesty, she does click better with Taekie. They feel natural. Jung Hwan is a cute boy, but... they have too many misconnections
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20 telomere
January 15, 2016 at 7:51 AM
I am absolutely loving Cheese In The Trap right now, it's really got that drama "stickiness" it seems because I find myself thinkibg about it randomly while going about my week. Kim Go Eun is a revelation and I'm seriously in love with Hong Seol's fashion choices. I'm also rather intrigued by how the rest of the drama is going to unfold.
Six Flying Dragons is still going strong it seems, although I'm taking a break from it for a while so that I binge-watch 4-6 episodes in one sitting. I find that the narrative sweep is better captured when watching several episodes consecutively. I have to admit that Cheese is kind of eclipsing my SFD fervour at the moment!
I saw some mention of Chinese dramas like Nirvana in Fire and Bu Bu Jing Xin - would love to hear of any views on what those are like and how they might compare to sageuk. Pariticularly curious to see how Scarlet Heart is going to turn out...
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 8:06 AM
I have no words for how much I love Seol's style in Cheese in the Trap - and I really do mean style, not styling.
Kim Go-eun carries it all off so naturally and unselfconsciously, there's something about her that reminds me of Gong Hyo-jin, oddly enough. They both wear casual outfits with an air of never having to put any thought into it, which really makes the outfits imo.
and I really love how Seol's clothes get chosen to set off her red hair.
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Kween Ramyeon
January 16, 2016 at 6:30 PM
Funny that, I was associating some of Gong Hyo Jin with Kim Go Eun too. There is something about the way they seem to have long, slightly angly loose limbs, and they way the hold their wrists.
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 8:32 AM
I just watch 4 ep of nirvana, it's has lot of fantasy fighting style (like tge almost flying) but I think the vibe is kinda like SFD, political and have lots od fighting scene, but don't take me too much cause again I only watch 4 ep.
So saeguk definitely has the same background for it, like throne war, sccheme, the concubine and their son, princess.
Scarlet heart is really romantic type of saeguk but it's really about her story, how she fall in love and how she works in that era. The romance doesn't feel like saeguk, it wasn't a forbidden love or mistake for guy identity to make them close or love in different status. It has politic in it, it has friendship, it has hardwork. It kinda remind me of Princess Man, it tells love in different way. Idk any saeguk like scarlet heart when the girl freely show who she loves to the guy and it respected by the guy, even it involve more than one guy. TL:DR it's a good reverse garem
Someone can add if my explanation is not enough
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fanwho
January 15, 2016 at 9:51 AM
+1 I enjoyed both but liked NIF more (in which romance is not main unlike BBJX).
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 11:05 AM
I watch NIF carefully in case I miss something and you are right, I enjoy the way the romance play in NIF, less but enough
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 11:02 AM
Typo : I mean reverse harem
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Chelly
January 15, 2016 at 1:41 PM
Started NIF on a whim, didn't think much of the first episode but I was totally hooked by the third! I really enjoyed all of it :) I thought the editing could have been better (like the music scenes where they play an instrument and the sound doesn't match up lol) but besides that it really surprised me how much I looked forward to watching it. If we would have had more time, my husband and I would have probably finished it in a few days. Go watch it!
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21 Sajen
January 15, 2016 at 7:56 AM
All I'm watching at the moment are Cheese in the Trap and Moorim School. I ended up dropping Remember and Answer Me 1988 I just got bored with Remember and with 1988 the further we got into the less I liked it.
Cheese in the Trap- I love this. I love Kim Go-eun she should be in everything from now on.
Moorim School- I like it way more than I thought although I'll say it's not for everyone. In fact it might be one of things that the vast majority of people don't like but develops a small but devoted fan base. It might help if you came to dramas by way of anime.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 8:14 AM
the funny thing is, I did come into dramas by way of a sideways drift from manga/anime and especially shoujo, I'm a lifelong fantasy fan (both literature and movies), possibly my favourite kdrama genre ever is fantasy sageuks...... and Moorim School feels like the drama equivalent of chewing very stale rotis to try and get them to go down the gullet.
I do wish its writers and casting directors had been a little bit better, that would have actually made it campy fun instead of cringe.
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 8:34 AM
I love anime and thanks the moorim school description. It sounds promising ^^
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22 pogo
January 15, 2016 at 8:01 AM
I'm wondering if it's possible to suffer from a job version of Stockholm Syndrome (i.e. knowing your job is awful and works you like a dog for peanuts, but sticking with it out of fear you don't deserve or won't be able to get anything better).
Drama-wise, I'm really enjoying Cheese in the Trap - thank god for Park Hae-jin and Kim Go-eun. because they're just so natural in their roles even if Yoo Jung scares and intrigues me at the same time.
Not really too into anything else at the moment - Moorim School would basically require me to lobotomise myself to enjoy it despite the shirtless Lee Hyun-woo.
The exception is Answer Me 1988 for the parents, though that kiss in episode 17 gave me a glimmer of interest in a potential Deok-sun romance for the first time, it was the perfect balance between sweetness and intensity (I still don't think Taekie is the husband though, and that's fine as long as we get lots of Three Moms time and Sun-woo/Taek as real brothers - I have been rooting for that ever since the end of episode 12!)
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halfmoon
January 15, 2016 at 8:33 AM
"I’m wondering if it’s possible to suffer from a job version of Stockholm Syndrome (i.e. knowing your job is awful and works you like a dog for peanuts, but sticking with it out of fear you don’t deserve or won’t be able to get anything better)."
I think it is -alas- possible...
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 8:35 AM
/sigh
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fanwho
January 15, 2016 at 9:48 AM
You are not alone, but there are dramas and DB to offset that frustration. :)
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 10:28 AM
That is true, and it does help :) Though I'm aware that for my own sake, I need to get out, it isn't unbearable yet. YET.
korfan
January 15, 2016 at 8:51 AM
pogo -
While I have no definitive answer to give regarding the possible job version of Stockholm Syndrome, I just want to say that you raise a very interesting question.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 10:36 AM
at least it's interesting to you guys lol. The best I can do is view it as character-building.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM
job - ...yeah look at me. this museum is frustrating, but I have sent CVs constantly everywhere and nobody else accepts me. there is an opening again but I applied for a completely different position there before (I should have waited it out!) and it would seem weird to apply for something else now...
the job does have positive moments, but I am not moving on at all.
even after todays episode of R1988 you dont feel the Taek possibility?
well yeah. I am dreading the scenario where it is a last minute switch cause thats the drama standard. but I think it would be a mistake.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 8:56 AM
oh and I think Moorim School drama spam. It seemjs like a kids show, but the production is so bad and the editing makes me yawn. or maybe I am spoiled by dragons.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 9:06 AM
yeah, I know how you feel about the job - it's a similar case of being stuck here (and literally any job offer I can even apply for, will require an interview in a different city - people here don't believe in video conferences, and flying out to a job interview will require both air fare money and subterfuge from my current employer.....)
I didn't mind it so much before, but now the last of my 'work buddies' has quit, and it's lonely, hard going- a bit like circling the drain.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 9:07 AM
I can't believe Moorim School is pre-produced, if that's the best quality they could come up with for the opening episodes. And yeah, it does seem unfit for anyone with a mental age of more than 12.
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les
January 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM
witch, with a capital B!!!
hahahaha +(for the 12 yr. old mentality comment) uhmm, it's called a guilty pleasure, look it up :)
pogo
January 15, 2016 at 11:16 AM
^ thanks for illustrating the 12-year-old mentality I spoke of, so beautifully (if unintentionally).
and surely an essential part of being a guilty pleasure is, you know, PLEASURE. There's practically none to be had in watching this drama to do anything but mock it, so Moorim School can take a bit fat F on that too.
redfox
January 15, 2016 at 2:00 PM
I have nothing to add to pogo´s comment. quilty pleasure would require pleasure. There is none. in anything. the visuals, no, meaty characters that grab you from the start, not the pace or a special mythology. seems like some Adibos sneakers.
pogo
January 15, 2016 at 9:16 AM
re: Taek, I do not trust this drama team, all the signs pointed to the husband being Jung-hwan so even if I do root for Taek (like you said, they just 'click' better) I'm not going to believe it's him until the finale has finished airing.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM
ok, now I did watch ep 19 and all bets are off - but wow, people are going to be SO pissed. (even if it was what I was rooting for all along)
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM
in the beginning and I think to he end I didn´t exactly route for him, I just wanted him to be alive and well and happy. All my energy went to that, and the damn production team together with planted trolls made sure I become worried
AJK
January 15, 2016 at 10:27 AM
Stockholm syndrome would actually be when you start identifying with your employers and believing they are doing the right thing by working you like a dog and paying you a pittance. Doesn't sound like you are there yet ... so I hope you can persuade yourself to keep looking for something better out there. A bad job rarely gets better. I know. I've had some really bad jobs.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 10:30 AM
That's a good point, maybe there's hope for me yet! Though my biggest fear is that prospective employers will judge me for having stayed in the crappy job for such low pay for so long, I think I just have to bite the bullet and face some more rejections.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 3:16 PM
my justification for that is that I have tried, but wasnt the most suitable one for the specific job. there arent many available we are a small country. a potential job often means changing your whole life, moving to another town, and for me who is alone it is not so easy. plus there are people I am taking care of in this town... limits the choices but they cant say I havent tried to leave. 15 times to be precise in general, 3 times that I applied somewhere else.
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AJK
January 15, 2016 at 6:12 PM
I'm a writer of non-fiction. Rejection is my middle name. But I'm doing what I love, so still happy to be out of the bad jobs.
Re: prospective employers -- sell them on the traits that kept you doing a good job in a bad situation, and what you learned (without dinging your former employer). I guarantee you ... every prospective employer will know it was a bad job without you saying so explicitly. Why? Because every single one of them has almost certainly had a bad job. GOOD LUCK!
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 2:03 PM
um ok, not for me either cause I have been called out from being too outspoken and giving sharp, sarcastic comments about the state of thing. thing is, they are in a similar situation as me. they hold on to me cause I have been a guide longest and I know all the tours and programs. so it would be a loss to them. (which would gimme even more pleasure if I could just march off and leave them stranded! I want them to wiggle...and squirm...)
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23 atz
January 15, 2016 at 8:27 AM
All those times when I was watching reply 1988, I thought that the husband is Taek or shall I say that I hoped he is the husband despite of his late introduction. I believe that most viewers fell for JH before Taek was formally introduced and wondered if this late introduction is precisely the writer's or PD's tactics to fool the viewers. i thought Taek's love for DS started much earlier (possibly when they were much much younger)and as he grew older his first love became love of his life, so to speak.so I like to see his devoted love fulfilled.I liked watching his steel of will and concentration when it comes to his games,, there is something quite manly in him even though his face is like a doll and he lacks some skills in everyday life. i think when a man whom most do not consider manly yet starts exhibiting his manly sides, often girls fall for him and DS Was not an exception.
With overwhelming fan base from JH side and their convincing explanation, I thought my analysis must be dead off and I was quite nervous for voicing my opinion.
I hope that we can watch the double wedding for SW-BR and TK-DS! Just like Pride and Prejudice!
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24 August
January 15, 2016 at 8:32 AM
Hi Everyone!
Wanted: My very own strategist/strategic planner & friend like Mei Changsu / Su Zhe / Lin Shu (Nirvana In Fire).
Imaginary Cat: I'll miss my weekly dose of Bok-Gil and Hyun Jong-Hyun.
Cheese In The Trap: Enjoying it tremendously.
Remember – War of the Son: Spoiled by Nirvana In Fire. It's hard watching the way the main characters in this drama go about trying to rectify wrongs and injustice. (For example: the poor/bad planning and recklessness by announcing your intentions to the villains.)
Let's Eat 2: Loved Season 1. Struggling with Season 2. Dozed off on episode 2. Feel asleep on episode 3. Ha, I should take the hint.
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August
January 15, 2016 at 9:30 AM
Forgot to add how much I'm been enjoying virtual couple Kwak Si-Yang and Kim So-Yeon on We Got Married.
Looking forward to their cameo appearance on MBC's new Wednesday-Thursday drama One More Happy Ending. Jung Kyung-Ho, Yoon Hyun-Min, and a few others from the cast of Falling for Innocence visited them last year on We Got Married.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 11:12 AM
I might go back to We Got Married. I was so disappointed with the Song Jae Rim marriage. My heart was kinda set on them as a couple. Fool that I was.
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25 owl
January 15, 2016 at 8:33 AM
Woke up to a very pretty crystal snow ~
What will happen to Infinity Challenge with the panel of MC entertainment experts critiquing and making suggestions? Kwanghee, hang in there! IC highs are so high and lows are so low... that describes most k-entertainment inconsistencies.
Imaginary Cat – where was the “hazardous to your emotional health” warning? Cat star.
Moorim School – I like the attempt at a Harry Potter-esque secret school setting and applaud the choice of Hyungjoon as the formidable dean, but so far the show is a bit lacking on the fantasy and powers elements. High School Love On started out strong but rapidly fizzled in the supernatural element department. (On the other hand, the best part about Gu Family Book was the sparkly fantasy and supernatural elements.) I hope Moorim School writers learn from that and give us a respectable dose of martial arts supernatural powers and a decent story line. Keep the momentum going, Moorim School!
Remember-War of a Son- such a pile of melo, makes money seem so filthy. Jin Woo's obsessively intense single-mindedness and acute memory is scary and burdensome.
Cheese in the Trap -i f one more person says Yoo Jung is not who he seems to be - then who is he? I't s making me nervous.
Looking forward to the last 2 eps of Reply 1988.
6FD is captivating.
Have a great weekend \ /
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 8:58 AM
Imaginary Cat - I didnt cry, I wanted to kick a hole in the wall... but I was at work and our walls are made of concrete.
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owl
January 15, 2016 at 11:18 AM
Ouch. Yeah, it went that way as we feared ~ the girlfriend who "left" hem was a weird connection, I thought. But I like that they did the story in 8 eps, it was just enough.
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26 elric
January 15, 2016 at 8:36 AM
Happy OT guys!
I can't believe Alan Rickman is gone *group hug fellow Potterheads*. I know he had portrayed many characters but in my heart, he'll always be the half-blood Prince. He was such a wonderful Snape. He truly captured the character and I can't never imagine any other actor portraying Snape as wonderful as he had. Rest in peace, Rickman.
Drama-wise, aside from watching Cheese in the Trap, I marathoned Let's Eat for a day. . . and well I thought it was good. I might have enjoyed it more if it wasn't for the finale feeling a little too anti-climatic. Still, it was a fun, feel good drama with loads of delicious food and a funny Doo-joon. Also, I didn't mind the long eating scenes. It was not just about the food but I was weirdly fascinated on how the scenes were shot. However, I won't be watching the second season. I'm satisfied with what Let's Eat had given and I probably couldn't handle a drama where the leads ended up in the finale (again).
Up-next on my drama marathon list will be Kill Me, Heal Me then Liar Game then probably Reply 1997. I hope I didn't set my expectations too high and end being disappointed by any of them *fingers crossed*
Side note: what's this talk about Jung Hwan??? :( It's not over, till it's over (I think. I hope. I pray.)
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 9:18 AM
Oh Alan Rickman
After all this time? Always
It make me wanna watch HP again
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elric
January 16, 2016 at 1:22 AM
One of the most heart-breaking lines in HP. That scene is just too much. . .
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Sancheezy
January 16, 2016 at 5:15 AM
aah it really heart breaking like a parade of flashback come to my mind out of sudden,
he indeed always love her and him
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 9:23 AM
I found it really sweet that some Harry Potter fans have been leaving tributes to Alan Rickman at King's Cross Platform 9 3/4. It's such a fan thing to do, and in such a perfect place.
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27 halfmoon
January 15, 2016 at 8:40 AM
I'm so hoping that Youth Over Flowers Iceland could be subbed...
Did I hear it right that the triplets will be leaving Return of Superman? Or is it just a rumor?
Javabeans and all : I'm wondering if you gals would be willing to recap or talk about any variety show besides Running Man ? I'd love to read comments on some other great variety show episodes. I think there was something like that in the past (was it Variety Roulette?)?
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fanwho
January 15, 2016 at 9:45 AM
I also read triplets will be leaving Return of Superman.
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28 here 4 cheese in the trap
January 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM
Guys! I'm dying to share this with someone. Noone near me is as much obssess with kdrama as I am.
Ep 3 of CITT when Seol is depressed by poor marks and walks home by herself, then Jung sees her and calls her but she is listening to music and too occupied to see Jung, so he follows her silently from a distance...
That scene... oh my... I can not even describe how much I love it.
It is 1minute 7 seconds to be exact.
The cinematography is sooooo great... The song... I've been searching but it was not released yet. I dont know the name of it...
The beat of music in sync with Seol' walk. The sunlight flashing thru Seol's hair, the yellow theme of her road from school, her hand tapping while listening to music,... all are spot on. I dont remember how many times I rewatched this scene.
Many people might like the scene becos of Jung... To me, I prefer Seol here. I feel her expressions of "i want to be by myself and hope music heals" or at least that's how I am when I am down.
And is it weird that I want to run after her and hold her hand? That hand tapping thing caught me immediately and since, I can't help thinking about this whole scene...
I guess I'd Jung to impulsively do it. Though my sane part wants him to leave her alone.
Does anybody else love this scene?
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TurkishRose
January 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM
@here 4 cheese in the trap :)
I couldn't agree with you more on what you wrote about that scene. Don't worry you aren't the only crazy one who replayed that scene so many times. This has got to be one of my favorite scenes. The way he looks at her, the music, the lightening and the way she moves her hand to the music, is so beautiful. My heart-fluttered like crazy, and I think I'm falling in love with Yoojung all over again. I've replayed that scene in the episode like literally 20 times :P
Here is the scene by itself so it can be easily wached :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_XETAvQuyg
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here 4 cheese in the trap
January 15, 2016 at 10:37 PM
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!!!!!!!!!!
Glad to know someone who also takes this scene as favorite.
I just found that many fans are searching non-stop for this ost on tumblr. Just like me. :D
Actually I did cut the clip myself, just so I can replay it easily, but thanks for sharing anyway.
Happy crazy over CITT. :))))
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29 evw09
January 15, 2016 at 8:54 AM
Confession: I can't bring myself to watch Answer Me 1988. I'm too scared to face the impending Second Lead Syndrome. My heart could barely take it in 1994 so I'm struggling to muster up the courage to watch 1988.
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 8:59 AM
do it, you will not know who IS second lead until the end
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 9:25 AM
I think watching it after it ends wouldn't hurt a lot
Watching in real time makes us really make you curious about the next ep but you need to wait a week that might include checking lots of thread. I don't said checking thread is bad but watching in peace make you appreciate every things in it.
I tried with watching after wait 1st 10 ep and it make me see many things better ^^
But it's a great drama
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mashimomo
January 15, 2016 at 10:53 AM
I say do it! I was also hesitant to start the drama, since I was Chilbonged the last time so I watched it much later when the drama was already in the middle of its run. Watching it later also help me appreciate the story without having to deal with the who is the husband noise. This is actually the first Reply installment that I can honestly say that I do not care who Deok-sun chooses in the end with the way the show unfolded and presented the two potential husbands. As long as you are well aware that the writers are trolls, don't look too much into what is shown and enjoy it for what it is. I have my hunch, but my guess is just as good as the other people that are not involved in the production.
This installment has a better overall storyline than 1994 (in my opinion, of course), and might even equal my love for 1997. And even if the episodes were longer, it allowed them to focus more on the other people in the neighborhood and you can certainly feel the love among the neighbors and especially the mothers. They are absolutely my favorite part of the drama.
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Porkie
January 15, 2016 at 9:50 PM
This drama is way more than the romance. It's really more about friendship, family, of course some nostalgia. It's the best one from all the Answer Me series in my opinion, and I never regretted any of the hours ( and emotion ) I invested on this drama. Definitely worth the watch regardless who you ship (you might end up shipping both, like I did lol)
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30 Jyuu
January 15, 2016 at 8:56 AM
Hi Beanies! I'm a long time reader of Dramabeans but this is my first time posting in five years.
I'm watching Cheese in the Trap and I'm very intrigued by it. I still can't quite figure out if I really do like it but I'm curious and it has my attention. You'll seldom hear me complaining about a story moving too fast, but there were definitely some scenes in this week's episode that felt less organic because the story seemed a little rush. For instance, the fight between the girls would've made more sense if we slowly started seeing Bo Ra's frustration with Seol's tendency to withhold information. Instead, she just blew up at an inopportune time and, instead of sympathizing with both girls, I felt like Bo Ra should've been more understanding after Seol told her what happened.
Anyway, Seo Kang Joon is adorable in this role and I love his interactions with Seol. They're perfectly comfortable with one another and did anyone notice that the parts where Seol talks the most are when In Ho is around? Like when she was nagging at him about his interview clothes. I hadn't heard her speak so many words and so fast in a single scene this week.
Anyway, Reply 1988 is the show that got me out of my little silent cave to start posting. I am absolutely enchanted and in love with this show and this finale weekend is going to drive me crazy. It's going to take every ounce of willpower for me to stay off SNS to avoid spoilers. Although I am partial towards Taek (blame my love for PBG), I would be happy even if the husband was JH, as long as everyone ended up happy. That said, it would be great if DS made the first move. I had thought JH would be endgame but changed my mind when DS noticed Taek on her own. But, with the time jump, who knows what had happened in between and how feelings have changed. I hope that by returning with more maturity, the friends will be able to sort out their feelings and DO something about them. For now, I will just wait for subs and trust that the writers will deliver a satisfactory ending. Hee~ I can't wait for the three moms to make their official family official!!!i
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 9:32 AM
welcome! Reply 1988 is actually a really strong show, but I wasn't too invested in Deok-sun's love line when I thought they were going to do the textbook thing and have her end up with Jung-hwan (and my head says that's still how it's going to do it)...... but at the prospect of Deok-sun liking Taek without having to be prompted into it by her friends, suddenly I find it a whole lot more engaging. It's partly actor chemistry, and partly that it actually brings out something new in the characters when they're together - like realising Taek is a whole lot more adult than we thought, during episode 9.
I hope they don't skimp on Ssangmundong ajumma girlfriends during the last couple of eps though! I have been living for those 3 since the start of the series, and frankly Deok-sun can marry whoever, I am totally satisfied with the show now that Sun-woo's mother is happy. I rooted for her to get to stay with her kids and out of near-destitution, way more than I did for any love line. (other than hers, of course - I rooted so hard for her and Taek's dad, and not just because it produced an adorable united family as a result)
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 2:06 PM
Taek´s dad deserves a big fluffy teddy bear as a gift and a big ribbon, like Miss Universe´s, that says, Best Dad In Town
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 2:59 PM
btw, I finally watched today's ep of 1988, and wow, I'd have lost a LOT of money if I was actually betting on this - I never thought they'd actually go ahead and make Taekie the husband! (yay!)
and yes, his dad is the actual best. It's so lovely to see how uniting the two families has made him a happy teddy bear instead of the sad lonely bear we saw at the start of the series. Not to mention, Taek himself looks so much happier and less constantly stressed. And Jin-joo bossing her oppas around is the cutest (I miss the adorable 4 year old version, but I love the mouthy ten-year-old she's grown up to become <3)
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 3:18 PM
but what about that cameo I am so waiting foooorrrrrrr arrrrr arrr ARRR arrr *goes crazy and demolishes pillows* ARRRRR *imagines pillow is the producer if SIG doesnt show up* ARRRR!
pogo
January 15, 2016 at 3:35 PM
.....Seo In-gook, potentially sharing a screen again with Park Bo-gum?! I'd probably die of squee if it happened - on one hand it'd be HyunMin v. 2.0 and on the other it would be Answer Me past and present.....but unless they announced it, it's wishful thinking.
I'd also die if Eunji showed up, I know she visited the set to meet Sung Dong-il but I don't think that was for cameo purposes, sadly.
redfox
January 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM
unless it is very very secret ....
Jyuu
January 15, 2016 at 6:40 PM
If Seo In Guk showed up I might actually pass out from hyperventilation!!!!! I hope the writers have more fun cameos for the finale.
I'm waiting for subs and it's testing all the willpower I have.
nomad
January 15, 2016 at 2:59 PM
Here's to another SW's omma and Taekkie's appa's shipper!! Love these two adults! Love!
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 3:32 PM
I could watch them staring at their sleeping kids forever lol. They are SO CUTE. (and of course Jin-joo is the boss of the house, she was boss even when she was a toddler and her mother wasn't married to Taek's dad yet).
I would have put up with anything the drama gave me as long as Sun-woo's mom was happy at the end, I've said it before but to me, the moms - especially her and Ra Mi-ran - are the true heroines of Answer Me 1988.
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nomad
January 15, 2016 at 4:45 PM
I agree...in addition to the kids' friendships, the ahjummas' friendship just leaves such a mark. I'm getting ready to watch the first few episodes again. I love this installment so very much. Originally I'm a JH's team, but after watching ep 17 I was certain it was going to be Taek in the end. I remember one commenter said in the recap, "If JH refuses to play, I can't exactly root for him." In the end I agree with the commenter. JH completely chilbongied himself. He refused to play.
Jyuu
January 15, 2016 at 6:59 PM
SW's mom and Taek's dad have the cutest loveline and I love that it gave Jin Ju a father who loves and adores her. I aww'ed a little in the scene where SW parked Taek's car for him and told him to go back to the family and Taek just smiled to himself. It was so sweet.
I actually feel like the writers neglected the development of JH's character in the middle of the drama while Taek's character continued to grow and surprise us with his maturity. So while JH was stuck in his secret crush, I started rooting for Taek more. Like you mentioned, I do think part of it is the chemistry between the actors. Those adorable BTS's are evidence that they have adorable chemistry!
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31 Meow
January 15, 2016 at 9:13 AM
Yoo Seung-ho made me cry twice in one effing day. I still feel horrible.
With Imaginary cat in the morning and Remember in the night....ugh I've never cried so hard during a show!
Remember is supposedly at it's half way mark now but damn the show hurts so bad. SO BAD. I still haven't recovered.
SPOILER ALERT!
The thing what got to me most about Dad's death is that it happens in real life. There are so many times when actually innocent people have died in Jail. I felt so sorry for our gang and especially Jin-woo ugh.
This is the first time I've wished it but damn Nam Gyu-man should be tortured and killed for what he's done and his dad too. >.< ;_;
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owl
January 15, 2016 at 12:36 PM
In know, it's almost too much having Seung Ho in two tearjerkers at the same time. His eyes, his expressions - so heartbreaking. Man, like how very, very bad I felt for Harry in I Miss You, what a broken, tragic character.
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32 Jon G.
January 15, 2016 at 9:14 AM
Tried Moorim's school/institute/whatever, gave it up again. Cheese and B-movie action is great, but the terrible and inconsistent acting simply doesn't add up.
The acting in Remember is better, of course, but unfortunately it's not good enough either. And the plot writing for the setup episodes has been really awful (maybe it got better afterwards, I'll never know).
Cheese in the Trap
Still a rather bland rom-com, but the sets are great, some of the acting is worth watching. I warmed up a bit to Show-Seol now that we have seen a little bit more from the character.
Reply 1988
Episode 17 was absolutely fantastic (apart from the somewhat loose ending). Episode 18 was great.
The only thing I hate about this show? They cast pearls before swines. All people are talking about is the completely irrelevant question about who that guy in the interview section is (who appeared for 2 minutes or something).
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 9:37 AM
I feel the exact same way about Moorim - I'm exactly the type of person its fans insist you have to be in order to appreciate it (huge manga/anime fan, love fantasy, love a good cheesy B-movie).... but this is not cheese or camp done right. It lacks the self-awareness for that.
(and I know we are conditioned to expect little and forgive much in high school dramas, but the acting here is - barring Lee Hyun-woo - terrible. Jang Yoo-jin delivers her lines basically the exact same way as she did in Grapevine a year ago, but what a difference the setting of a good drama makes...)
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Jon G.
January 15, 2016 at 10:21 AM
On their own, I don't even think the acting is that terrible (except for Hongbin). The combination of all four of them doesn't make sense though. And Lee Hyun-woo is not doing any better than the others. I personally blame the director here.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 10:34 AM
yeah, I've seen worse acting in dramas that intended me to believe this was the best they could do.
This is not one of Lee Hyun-woo's best performances, but he is certainly doing better than the others for one simple reason - he manages to make Shi-woo feel like a real person and not a walking caricature, even though his backstory is, on paper, as cheesy as anyone else's. The others could be worse, but they feel like cartoons come to life. He doesn't.
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Jon G.
January 15, 2016 at 10:55 AM
You are right, and that's why I feel that Lee Hyun-woo's performance is actually worse than those of the others (except of Hongbin). Seo Ye-ji overacts in a way that might be appropriate in a manga-style adaption. Unfortunately for her, she is the only one among the leads, but she fits the frame of the show. Jeong Yoo-jin is in a different kind of manga-adaption (teenage mystery). Lee Hyun-woo tries to give his character some kind of melodrama gravitas that is utterly inappropriate no matter what.
I don't think that these actors actually came up with these extreme ideas on their own. That's why I blame the director.
pogo
January 15, 2016 at 11:11 AM
the thing is, it actually feels like the director and writers want us to take the show seriously, cheesily-staged fights and all. Which is why they're giving us a hero played straight and like a person.
Seo Ye-ji's character is every kdrama high school Candy ever, but the drama seems to want to ignore the obvious fact that this is a massive cliche, and please behave like you can't predict exactly how this is going to go. She's doing her best, but there's not much to do there.
Jon G.
January 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM
I have to admit, I struggle with this lack of consistency a lot. "Moorim's" is worse than "Kill me heal me" in this respect. In "KMHM", it felt like the director wanted to do something and just failed to deliver. In "Moorim's ", it feels like the director simply doesn't care at all.
CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 11:16 AM
Re: Moorim.
See, I can forgive bad or imperfect Acting from newbies. They're learning..and they have to show their emotions, weakness, etc in front of everyone. I'm not so patient with veterans. (Ah, gag concert.) It's very hard to act when one knows one might be slammed by strangers. In all my reviews I avoid slamming young artistes.. they are growing. We all are. Let it go. For me, story is what matters. And logic. And hopefully good directing. But I can forgive amateur directing...again if it's a newbie. Doing one's craft with the whole world watching is a difficult thing.
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Jon G.
January 15, 2016 at 11:40 AM
Well, you are a better person than I am. If you are a lead actor in a prime-time show, lack of experience or youth is no excuse (heck, I frequently complain about those horrible child-actors in K-dramas). Neither Lee Hyun-woo nor Seo Ye-ji are particularly young or inexperienced, btw, not enough to account for their performances anyway.
If you still lack experience, gather some. If you cannot handle the pressure of prime time lead actor exposure, well, do something smaller.
But I think in the case of "Moorim's", these are not the main issues. All of them (except for Hongbin) have shown that they are much better than in their current roles. Hence, I blame the director.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 2:02 PM
Not about being a better person but i'm very aware of public humiliation and that celebs are human. Even lead actors suffer hurt. I just think the world has gone cruel and we say such cruel things about people, feeling we have the right and freedom to say so. These people try to entertain us. And they're young. Especially the kids. That kinda stuff is very hard to overcome. So, for me, I avoid judging like that. Because actors show their naked selves. Directors and screenwriters, on the other hand, aren't on screen and they don't work alone. So when a script is ridiculed, it's a group thing: everyone shares the blame and the pain. But acting...well, it's difficult.
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pogo
January 15, 2016 at 3:08 PM
Carole, you're much kinder than Jon or I would normally be. I'm inclined to excuse children, and those not performing professionally - but getting the opportunity to act in a lead role on prime time is a gift, and a fairly well-paid one at that.
This isn't community theatre or a film school student project, it's a professional acting job, and a certain baseline level of competence (and speaking up about the lack of that competence, as the case may be) is not an unreasonable expectation to have of the people who get to perform it. I'm not sure why actors' feelings have to be spared from all criticism of their efforts. no matter how poor - for every bad actor who scores a major role in a major drama like this, there are dozens of better ones who've likely been passed over. Giving the bad ones a pass is basically condoning incompetence, especially after some of them have been acting for several years/several projects and still aren't up to the mark.
33 snowysky
January 15, 2016 at 9:45 AM
Finished watching "Buzzer Beat" in 2 days. I'm going to miss Naoki-Riko. Wonderful drama that has a simple love story. Highly recommend this if you want something easy and breezy, beautiful J-drama. There are cute scenes of OPT. I like how they started off as friends and gradually became lovers and supported each other to achieve their dreams.
I now need a new drama that has cute doses of OPT like 'Buzzer Beat'.
Only Kdrama that I've been watching is still "I have a lover". None of the current kdramas interest me at all. I hope the later half of 2016 will offer better Kdramas.
Happy Friday everyone. :)
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john
January 15, 2016 at 10:14 AM
snowysky ~
I'm hoping that One More Happy Ending delivers on the RomCom front.
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Sancheezy
January 15, 2016 at 10:58 AM
I think Okitegami kyoko has cute OTP but it's a detective show,
And if it just about OTP, Oh my venus is really cute too, just ignore the plot, sassy Gogo also cute
Hope this helps...
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34 juniper
January 15, 2016 at 10:55 AM
Watched up to episode 2 in Cheese in the Trap and I think I'll drop it. Might give it another episode or two but probably not. I just don't think the acting is up to par for the concept of the webtoon to work--I say acting, but Kim Go-eun seems to be the only person doing any of that. I mean, for me, the whole point of the story was to show people navigating social acceptability while struggling with subversive elements of their personality and feelings, which come out through insincerity and microagressions. In that sense it reminded me a lot of sageuk lol--nobody can say what they mean and everyone has to maintain a facade of politeness while their frustrations boil over, and the interpersonal conflicts are are often carried out through sneaky proxy wars. For this to work, however, there has to be some semblance of nuance in the performances--because while these characters aren't exactly complicated, when they're are played straight, in monotone, there's no freaky descent into solipsism and everything feels irrational and exaggerated and just plain silly. Which is what's happening here.
Caught up to episode 4 in Jang Yeong-sil. *SPOILERS FOR JANG YEONG-SIL* Right now it feels like it has split personalities: half of the show is about the political ramifications of astronomy in Taejong's court and the remnants of Goryeo loyalists vs. Taejong's desire to legitimize his new dynasty, and half of the show is about Yeong-sil, the amazing genius science whiz who somehow manages to squeeze all his pesky slave work in between making unprecedented advances in astronomy (for Joseon at least lol), constructing breathtakingly intricate gizmos two or three times over, and cooking up with an elaborate escape plan reminiscent of the Ewok's fight with the Empire in Return of the Jedi. Half of this show is okay, half is beyond ridiculous. idk, when you feel like a show would be better without the titular character...I'll hold out hope till Yeong-sil gets to Hanyang and the two sides of the story combine, but yeah. I had some hope after the second episode that there would be some sense of reality, but after episodes 3-4...not so much.
It doesn't feel like the system has been beaten into Yeong-sil in anyway--the show pays lip service to his status (to the end he calls his father "naeuri"), but in the end, it's like he's impervious to it. He never questions his specialness, he can sluff off work whenever to go hang out in his magical astronomy hut, he has no problem talking back or even down to his abusive, oppressive masters, and even the man who had no problem murdering his mama for no good reason doesn't feel like he's allowed to kill Yeong-sil after he tries to, y'know, stab him (!?). And when Yeong-sil plans to escape, he never even thinks of bringing his friend with him--possibly because he's on the dim, submissive side--ie, he actually seems to have internalized his slavery and lives the life of the slave (well two slaves,...
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juniper
January 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM
...well two slaves, considering he's always covering Yeong-sil's butt). So instead of watching someone rise above slavery, and therein being led to question the institution on a broader level, I feel like we're being told that Yeong-sil personally is just too special to be a slave. Which is pretty hollow, to say the least. I get that this isn't Chuno and that in the end it's not about slavery, but taking the time to critique slavery as an institution instead of acting like your hero is just too cool for school would be nice.
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Kiara
January 15, 2016 at 2:24 PM
I made it through eps 3 and I haven't gone back. I was waiting for you to see if it has gotten better.
It's not a fantasy sageuk so I was expecting more. Something rooted in reality based on it's theme but it raised my blood pressure with the ridiculous over the top abuse for ridiculous reasons and sometimes for no reason at all.
SIG is not my favorite when it comes to sageuks (I know I'm all alone here). It felt like he is sleepwalking through this role (shoot me).
Let me know if Merchant is worth going back to.
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Kween Ramyeon
January 18, 2016 at 9:37 AM
hmm I was thinking of giving this a go....but after reading this....maaaaaaybe not....
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 15, 2016 at 11:23 AM
I'm not feeling Cheese either but I'm giving it a chance.
Yeong Sil... yeah I understand what you're saying. He "suffers" but since we know he'll be with the king soon, a lot of what happens to him seems kinda tropey. And he does seem kinda whiny although he never really whines.
I keep waiting for him to get to the palace. I don't feel the drama feels schitzy though. We see one character understanding the cosmos as scientific and we see another character (with super guilt and a lot riding on the spiritualizing of the stars) as someone stuck in a world where stars have power and show the gods' approval or disapproval. And we have the Crown Prince, the man of science and the court astrologers whose careers depend on walking the fine line.
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nomad
January 15, 2016 at 3:03 PM
I really liked the two episodes of cheese, but the 3rd and 4th lacked the umph that I felt after watching the first 2. In fact, all the mishaps in 3rd literally gave me a heartburn cause I just couldn't stand A WHOLE LOT of the characters in that episode. I'm currently planning to watch 5th and 6th, but I might have to stop for the sake of my health, hahahaha :)!
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redfox
January 15, 2016 at 2:20 PM
same with Cheese, it seems more fun and lighthearted I thought it would be a lot more... pointy? paranoid? if they want to know how people act mean, they could ask me (I am quite well aware what I am)
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35 Jiji
January 15, 2016 at 11:25 AM
Question: I'm watching Answer me 1988 on DramaFever and their subtitles introduce Taek as "Choi Taek 6-Dan." What is 6-dan? Is that some kind of baduk ranking?
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spazmo
January 15, 2016 at 11:42 AM
yes, i think it goes up to 9-dan...
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Jon G.
January 15, 2016 at 11:50 AM
"dan" is the Japanese word for ranks in sports (especially martial arts), derived from Chinese 段/duan (piece, section, step).
It is used in Igo/baduk too, and the word was imported from Japanese into Korean. Professional Igo/baduk players are ranked by a not particularly standardised system of 9 dans, 1-dan to 9-dan, in increasing order of playing strength.
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36 flatbear
January 15, 2016 at 11:45 AM
when are you guys doing a podcast again?
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37 Yasmin Satria
January 15, 2016 at 9:36 PM
I am dying..
Keep refreshing and refreshing Dramabeans for reply 88 recap. Aaaaargggh!! Omagah...
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38 Sula
January 16, 2016 at 7:14 AM
I have a question about Reply 1988. I'm watching the show on the site that cannot be named and they blur EVERYTHING out. Whenever it's a TV clip or even the cover of a book, it gets blurred out! I find it so annoying. Does anyone know why they're censoring so much??
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Sula
January 16, 2016 at 4:06 PM
Also, why is the water they drink brown? At first I thought it was tea, but they keep calling it water.
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39 alasecond
January 17, 2016 at 1:40 PM
really curious.. folks whodidnt like kmhm.. why?
i couldnt find any gaps there..taut script, well placed twists, great acting..
just curious to know this other perspective.. wat is it that thedrama didnt deliver?
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40 Tina
January 21, 2016 at 4:41 AM
Does anyone know if 'Missing Korea' drama on MBC featuring Dara from 2ne1 will be subbed at all or if they know a reason why it might not have been subbed yet? i've been waiting desperately and its already up to episode 6 plus haven't been able to find any recaps yet either.
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