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Odds and Ends: The KCON 2015 wrap-up

javabeans: I know, I know, we’re totally late in talking about KCON this year, which was a full week ago. We meant to do our wrap-up post earlier, but the problem with taking three of your recapping days off to attend a convention is that you still have to make up those three days. But the universe doesn’t give you three extra days.

girlfriday: Yeah the math strangely works out to something like, three days for KCON, six days to recover from KCON. But it’s always fun to hang out with other drama fans en masse.

javabeans: Actually, this year I felt like the convention was run so smoothly on the logistical side that there was less en-masse-ing and more moving-right-along-ing. Which is great for attendees, but kind of made the frenzy feel less focused.

girlfriday: Yeah the Staples Center and LA Convention Center were great in that we could be in the posh indoors and away from the heat, but I kinda sorta missed the madness of a gazillion fans crammed into the Memorial Sports Arena. More communal suffering in the name of fandom, more memories.

javabeans: Not that we missed the hours-long waiting in lines, not at all. It was nice to have all the panels in the same corridor so you could just hop from one to the next, and the capacity was a lot larger than last year, where a lot of panels were standing-room-only, out in the heat. I did miss the bustle of last year’s marketplace, which was chock-full of booths and food choices and lots of things to buy. This year’s marketplace was sleek, air-conditioned, and very corporate.

girlfriday: On Friday we hosted a panel called “Dramabeans: Hallyu in Academia,” with three lovely professors — Regina Yung Lee, Hae Joo Kim, and Bonnie Tilland — who get to teach dramas and k-pop in college classes. They had a lot of entertaining stories about designing their courses and converting students into fans.

javabeans: I liked the stories about funny student reactions, like Regina’s story about her student who’d been watching a drama on her laptop when she fell asleep, and woke up to find it queued up to Coffee Prince, with a string of agitated texts from her “Seattle lumberjack” boyfriend about why Han-gyul can’t just admit his feelings for Eun-chan already, who cares if he thinks he’s a boy???

girlfriday: That was so adorable. Bonnie said that she had one group of male students who were particularly upset about being assigned to Sandglass for their group project, thinking that they got the old boring drama. But once they actually watched it, they loved it so much that they were all proud of getting the “cool, manly drama.”

javabeans: I liked their responses to our question about whether they they think Dramabeans and drama fans are ever reading too much into the texts of dramas. Or as we asked, “Is a handhold ever just a handhold? Is a mean mother-in-law sometimes just a bitch?” And they basically said, “NEVARRR.” Regina’s answer was along the lines of it not being possible to read too much, that a response to a work is valid, and that the text is never to blame for bad analysis.

girlfriday: It’s nice to know that the professors agree that you can have a worthwhile discussion on just about anything, because it’s what we believe at Dramabeans — that just because it’s television or pop music or any other form of pop culture doesn’t mean you can’t have meaty discourse on the subject.

javabeans: Of course, I did also agree with Hae Joo that sometimes a cigar IS just a cigar. (She gave an example of a communist soldier in a Chinese film who’d looked back over his left shoulder, and some critic was convinced it was a meaningful political symbol, when maybe he just turned left instead of right.) But her reference to the Velveteen Rabbit was also apt, where the value of the toy came in the child’s appreciation for it, not any of the bells and whistles that made it a better or worse toy.

girlfriday: So basically, our love of dramas does actually count for a lot.

javabeans: Dude, sometimes it’s the only thing we come away with! There is no empirical dramaland truth. There is no spoon. But there is love.

girlfriday: Love of Gong Yoo.

javabeans: Well, that’s implied.

girlfriday: I was also glad to hear that the professors all agree that there’s a bright future for Hallyu in academia — that it is capitalizing on a current trend, but there’s growing interest in lots of departments like Media Studies and Korean Studies.

javabeans: They all told stories of how effective Hallyu is in sparking Korean studies — universities and faculty are aware that putting Hallyu on the course curriculum is really the most powerful way to draw interest in their programs. In fact, I think the schools were very aware of this, which is why those classes were approved (and in some cases, suggested to the professors). So really, Hallyu is the gateway drug.

girlfriday: I knew it was some kind of drug.

javabeans: Moving on to our other panel the next day, we were joined by gummimochi and HeadsNo2 for “Show, You Complete Me,” which was kind of our catch-all title so we could just sit and gush about dramas for an hour. They did a great job throwing questions at us, and not letting us know ahead of time what we’d be asked.

girlfriday: They were so super-secretive!

javabeans: They kicked us out when we tried to sit with them! They were all, “Are you really sitting there? Now? We have to work on this.” But we think the conversation flows better that way, even if it raises the stress level a little for girlfriday and me.

girlfriday: Really, it doesn’t take much to prompt us to ramble about what makes a good drama, what makes a not-so-good drama still watchable, and why a handhold makes us squee.

javabeans: We did talk a bit about the distribution and access side of dramas, because it’s an issue that feels increasingly more crucial as more restrictions get placed on streaming rights, limited licensing, and availability. We’re totally supportive of the drive to capture this international interest while it’s hot, and to build companies to do so profitably — drama-makers should absolutely be able to make money from the worldwide Hallyu craze, and legal drama-watching is a good thing. But we’re also kind of scared that doing this short-sightedly can have the unintended consequence of choking access, and thereby killing the interest before you can monetize it.

girlfriday: And last but not least, we closed out the hour on a lightning round, which is always a highlight. Heads and gummi always do a good job of coming up with really stressful games for us to play. We were given fake drama sequel titles and told to pitch the plot in seven seconds.

javabeans: CRAZINESS! What is this evil trickery? How am I supposed to whip up a pitch for “Runaway: Plan C” in seven seconds?

girlfriday: You had a good plot for “Ten: Ten Time Travels” though: “He finds a tenth incense stick, and it time-travels him ten years into the future.”

javabeans: But isn’t that a great sequel? Because in Nine, he had to fix the present through the past. In Ten, he would have to fix the present using his tips from the future. “Did that do the trick? Light incense. Damn, still in prison. Let’s try again!” I liked that even if you hadn’t seen the original, you could totally get the plot of it through our sequels. Like your answer to “Let’s Eat 3” was: “Yoon Doo-joon moves to a third city, meets a third girlfriend to get over the second girlfriend he met in Let’s Eat 2. And they keep eating.”

girlfriday: Javabeans’ pitch for “School 2020” was “Yook Sung-jae and Kim So-hyun meet again as adults, and this time they get to be together forever!” I may have clapped a lot for that one.

javabeans: Girlfriday got a lot of cheers for “King 3 Hearts” by resuscitating Earnest-bot and saying, “I don’t care about anything else.” Gummi and Heads did generously double our time for very special sequels “City Hunter 2” and “Gaksital 2,” but OH MY GOD. I spent like a whole month in 2010 crafting a sequel to City Hunter in my head! How was I to get all that out in 15 seconds??

girlfriday: That’s pretty much what she said (while hyperventilating) in the 15 seconds. I don’t even remember what my answer was for Gaksital 2, other than war breaking out, and I think it involved rewriting history.

javabeans: Hey, dramas are fiction. Phew, the lightning rounds are super fun to play, but totally nerve-wracking. Seven seconds?! No prep?! I loved the comment afterward that it was fun to see us sweating, which we were doing because we had no idea what they were going to ask next.

girlfriday: I wonder what they’ll come up with next year.

javabeans: First we had Five Second Summaries, and then it was Seven Second Sequels, so maybe we can hope for a whole ten seconds next year.

girlfriday: We have a full year to bribe them for the three extra seconds.

javabeans: Bribes, threats, blackmail. All valid.

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Awesome seeing pictures of the four of you!!

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I'm in that picture on the bottom, yay!! =)

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Me too! Did I meet you at the panel? There were great folks there.

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Aww! I got cut out of the photo! That's ok, I had a good time ?

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What would it take for you to post the synopsis (or script, depending on how far you got) of the sequel to City Hunter? Be pretty keen to read it. I can offer you three smilies, an elephant and a slice of cake.

Here you go: ☺????

There is pizza too, if that's what it takes.

Oh, and alcohol: ?????

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They just talk about it in bits and pieces, IIRC. There's some of it in the final ep recap.

http://www.dramabeans.com/2011/07/city-hunter-episode-20-final/

I want to see that sequel too. Where CH is being chased by the less talented but more crazily driven prosecutor.

I don't know if they discuss more in the podcast (I rarely listen to podcasts) but here's one that seems to feature City Hunter heavily.
http://www.dramabeans.com/2011/07/dramabeans-podcast-7-part-2/

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Wish I could have attended, especially the in academia panel.

I watch k-dramas though various lenses: as a sociologist, as a feminist, as a story fan, as a Taiwanese-American. There are so many ways to analyze a drama.

Given that Taiwanese and Korean cultures are so similar, I can see why k-dramas are so popular in Taiwan. And I feel like I'm learning a lot about Korean culture, with the caveat of course that these are skewed for drama purposes. And yes, I know that not everyone in Korea look like Gong Yoo anymore than everyone in Taiwan looks like Godfrey Gao.

Do you and the profs think that k-dramas provide a somewhat realistic view of Korea?

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I don't think I qualify for "you", but as a Korean American who has spent some time in Korea, I don't think dramas are any more a realistic view of Korea than watching CBS and the CW is to getting a realistic view of the United States. There is a lot one can learn about either country from watching television of a country, but I think these things are either matters of culture (Korean hierarchal systems for example) or, if you analyze deeply, you can probably glean something about the greater society. But on the surface, I don't think kdramas represent reality, but more the fantasized reality that most audiences seek to engage in when they watch most television.

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I approve of the plot for School 2020... I say we start a gofund me page and somehow convince the cast to come back and shoot it

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hahah .. 95% females from the pic lol :)
Joda: The force is strong on the other side

Feeling lonely here hhahah

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Drama Guys represent!!!

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there is just one thing I would want from a City Hunter sequel. That the hot prosecutor comes back to life, slightly off his head, becomes a CH copy-cat and makes YoonSung go on jealous rampage because Nana totally swoons over the fake. of course they all make up and hug...a tree.

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I want a sequel to City Hunter so bad... not sure if they're going to cast PMY and LMH together though. Didn't they date a few years ago and then broke up?

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I'm in the last picture too! :D

But did you guys go to the concerts? How were they? And most importantly, DID YOU SEE KIM SOO HYUN???

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Maybe not.

I'm sure it would be in the news if a famous blogger tackled Kim Soo-hyun or something. (Which is what I imagine GF would do if she ever saw him.)

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Thank you ☺️ For asking them the KSH question I was like me 2?

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i went to the concerts, kim soo hyun opened the sunday night concert... he is beautiful, of course! daniel henney was gorgeous the night before, also...

sadly, all my photos and video came out blurry... was having too much fun standing on the floor near the stage!
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AND, sadly, i wasn't able to attend the Dramabeans panels - BECAUSE we had to stand in lines for the fan meets (2 hours prior) and also for the concert (general admission on the floor) - lined up at 3pm on saturday (doors opened at 6) and at 1:30pm on sunday....

BUT, my daughter and i got up close to the rail and had a great view - well, when people put down their arms holding cameras and cellphones, that is...

i'm short, so my daughter was in front of me for super junior, then i was in front of her sunday night for shinhwa... they all are gorgeous...

especially Eric...
*squeee*

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AND i had fun giving away fan meet passes to the young people who were trying to BUY them (yes, people were hawking passes for money!)...

at least people got to use them, since i spent half the time in lines... tho i made some new friends! i'm old, but no one judged...
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my friends asked about the ratio of ahjummas to youngsters...

i'd guess it was 1:1000. i might've been the oldest!

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AND i had to give away 4 red carpet passes (red carpet at 5pm)... the young women were very happy to receive them, however.
: )

next time, or my advice to you planning on going next year:

RESERVED SEATS

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Did you give away passes to SHINHWA? I was behind a lady who did that and girls passing by were like "who is SHINHWA?" And I nearly died.

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@ Foamyrokks
OH NO.... i was trading FOR shinhwa fan meet passes...

so easy, because the young girls wanted my Got7 (and i only gave them up because Jackson wasn't there - tee hee) audience passes.

my daughter got the Hi-Touch Got7, so, it was all good that i didn't go... and as it turned out, she didn't accompany me to Shinhwa's fan meet because she stood in line while i was at that fan meet...

*sigh*

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OMG spazmo, I wish i met you at KCON.. My friends and I would have loved those red carpet passes!

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We made it to the Sat concert and got our hopes up when this guy was handing out free Kim Soo Hyun fans. Turns out he only made his appearance on Sun but we didn't buy tix for Sun ?

The Sat concert was awesome! We were excited for Super Junior and they were great. A little sad Jackson didn't make it to KCON.

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But I'm so glad I got to see you guys! I didn't think it was possible, you're all even more awesome in person! :)

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"Bonnie said that she had one group of male students who were particularly upset about being assigned to Sandglass for their group project, thinking that they got the old boring drama. But once they actually watched it, they loved it so much that they were all proud of getting the “cool, manly drama.”

I know how those guys feel lol. My mom made me watch it with her even though I didn't want to. I'm so glad she did because I ended up loving it more than she did.

Sandglass was so worth the hype and the high rating (64%). A true Korean classic and it introduced me to 3 of my fav actors Ko Hyun Jung, Lee Jung Jae and Choi Min Soo.
Now I feel like I really missed out. Thanks for the wrap-up girls!.

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Aww sounds awesome! I look forward to the day where I can actually make a K-CON haha. Does anyone have a fancam/video of the lighting rounds? :P

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If you search 'dramabeans kcon 2015' someone's put up the video!

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Thank you!! I'll enjoy this after work!

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@ Kiara
Thanks sooooo much!!! *hugs* I watched it and could not stop laughing. What a riot!!! So stressful and so much fun. :D "1,001 days"! LOL only had time for Alzheimer's!!! *laughing til I cried*

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*Hugs* Thank you to whoever made the video :).

2 Weeks: JB remembers Lee Jun-ki and forgot everything and everyone else's name. I'm guessing that her answer will be the same with Scholar - the Lee Jun-ki show.

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Funny how one word puns of common drama tropes had me laughing for days - AMNESIA! Which can apply to any makjang drama out there, or writers that literally cannot come up with scenarios to keep the plot going.

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I have a recording of the lightning round on my phone too but the one on youtube is way better :D

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I liked your synopsis of Let's Eat 3, ha. It's actually probably true, and I'll watch it anyway.

The fact that they're teaching this stuff in colleges now makes me want to go back to college. Kids are so lucky.

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Thanks for the update! .... *heading over to YouTube*

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Hey JB and GF, gummimochi and Heads!
It's so good to see you and to know you all made it back safe after a great time. I kind of know what you mean about the thing being so organized that you miss that wild and free crazy fandom feel. It gets so safe and efficient that it's a little distancing from the avidity of the love.

Thanks for continually putting in your 120% in putting up your great recaps with nary a pause and for this wrap-up!

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You guys seem having great time there!
Wish I was there and seeing you talking about kdramas..
And the sequel game looks so much fun!

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¡OMG! I'm so happy :D

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Shucks, nothing about the concerts? I really enjoyed your "EXO came on and we all went deaf" and "SPICA is my new favorite girl group" commentary of years past.

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Yesssss. Make "School 2020" happen, PLEASE.

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Love the excited photobombers in that last pic. Too cute!

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So good to see the faces of Dramabeans! Thank you for the entertainment.

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Girlfriday, do u happen to be the author 'kfangurl' in the fangirlverdict blog ?

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Nope, I'm not Girlfriday.. OR AM I??? *wiggles brows meaningfully*

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LOL at this convo!

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It really wonderful to see you guys having fun! One day just one day I hopefully be able to come to kcon! Its so far away from my place but its okay one day! I comee ^_^

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It sounds a lot of fun.
Out of curiosity, So Heads is not a Korean?

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Sounds like it's been a LOT of fun and very interesting! The Academia panel is a gem, I guess it's only possible in the US. Can't wait to watch the video footage.

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Waaah I saw the lightning round vid on YT. It looks fun being there, as always. I'm jealous for being born far away. T______T

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Still regret not going but I'll definitely go next year! And wtf? They have drama courses in College? What is this? Why don't we have that where I live coz I'd apply for a Doctorate.

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Hope you ladies got a good rest after the event.

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It was so great to meet you ladies. I had a blast in our after panel huddles. :)

And I gotta say for those wondering, in person:
Eric's voice > Kim Soo Hyun's smile

Now if only this math equation could have included Gong Yoo's abs... Come on KCON2016!

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Which Eric is that? During MNET booth, for me, Eric Mun is HOT, Eric Nam is cute.

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Foamyrokks is talking about Eric Mun of Shinhwa, of course...

his distinctive voice is divine....

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good lord, please don't say Gong Yoo....

i spent so much money going to Kcon and the concerts... i don't think my husband will be so understanding next time.

but one of my (ahjumma) girlfriends asked what would it take for me to go again - and being that i saw and heard Eric, i told her "no one"...

until she said, "but what if Rain was in the lineup next year?"

CRAP. i can't keep doing this at my ripe old age, for pete's sake....

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haha. Eric was there in the second day though.

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Was thrilled to meet and speak to my very favorite k-bloggers at my first kcon. My friend and I had this (turns out to be weird) idea that going to kcon would help us calm down our obsession with dramas and now kpop. Like spazmo we were a little nervous about being judged for being old. Didn't happen.

JB and GF (and gummimochi/heads2) were gracious and funny. I saw parts of both panels - loved them.

Other panels I saw about travel, language, filmmaking were good - and not as fun as the dramabeans presentations. (Sidenote: the owner of Talk to Me in Korean looks like he could be in a drama).

Just an opinon, I thought the fan engagements were poorly handled. KCON management has some growing to do in logistics.

And the concerts - wow. We were close to the stage - how fun to see SJ, Shinhwa (my fave), Got7 and MonstaX up close even if we were being pushed around by screaming teenagers. Kim Soo-hyun was only around for about 5 minutes total. Musically I am now loving ZionT and Crush. Really GOOD music.

I would say that anyone who CAN go SHOULD. The obsession doesn't just continue... it gets better.

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Hi! Can anyone tell me who is who in that photo? I mean, I have never seen any of their photos before, so don't really know which one is JB, who is GF, who is Heads and who is Gummi.

Thanks in advance guys, much appreciated :)

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on the last photo, from L-R: GF, JB, Heads and Gummi. I've been reading DB for a while and their pictures have popped up from time to time. Also, watch the youtube video upthread of the lightning round from Kiara and you can put the face behind the voices, so to speak.

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Thanks a bunch! :D

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Nice to meet via internet you adorable girls!

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wow nice to finally put a face to the names javabeans and girlfriday that i've grown so accustomed to=D

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