Warm and Cozy: Episode 13
by girlfriday
On the one hand, it’s a huge step in maturity for our hero to stop being selfish and actually become a noble idiot entirely for someone else’s benefit. On the other hand, this in no way has advanced his emotional maturity when it comes to romance. His idea of professing love still involves saying the opposite of what he means and picking fights, which would be fine if you weren’t running out of time! At this rate, you’ll be hyung’s age by the time you get around to saying what you really mean!
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EPISODE 13 RECAP
Now that he’s decided to suffer in silence and leave his family, Gun-woo watches Jung-joo from far away and says quietly to himself, “Will you go with me?” But instead of asking her, he walks away with tear-filled eyes.
Jung-joo looks over at Mayor Wook and starts to have second thoughts about being with him and checks her forehead again, remembering Gun-woo’s insistence that she was still burning hot for him.
Wook asks if something’s wrong, and Jung-joo says that she isn’t hot, which he takes as a good sign that she isn’t sick. But she explains that when she’s with Wook it’s really comfortable, and when she’s with “him,” she aches… because she burns hot. She needs to confirm something and runs off, leaving Wook all alone.
Jung-joo heads straight to the pantry to look for the thing that Gun-woo left up on the shelf for her, but it’s gone. Gun-woo shows up and points out that she caved after all. His words say that he’s playing games with her again: “Lee Jung-joo, you lost.” But his face looks like he’s on the verge of crying.
She can tell something’s wrong and that he doesn’t mean it, but he keeps pressing for her to agree that he’s bad and just playing with her feelings again. When she offers to listen to whatever is on his mind, he argues that she should be raging mad at him right now: “Do you have no pride? Do you like me that much?! You have to get mad… otherwise I’ll make you go somewhere with me again, no matter what you do. Are you going to fall for it again?”
She says that she won’t, and he looks disappointed, even after having asked it in the most backwards way possible. He says it’s not fun anymore and that it’s time to stop, and once he’s alone he fishes the necklace out of his pocket.
Poong-san comes over to Wook’s table and is happy to hear that Jung-joo and Gun-woo are probably together. Wook says that his niece is on her way over, and Poong-san smiles in anticipation to hear that this family member looks just like him too. We’re all anticipating another Wook-in-drag, but Girls’ Generation’s Seohyun walks over instead.
Poong-san’s jaw drops and he sees her bathed in goddess light as she approaches. She’s ready to leave because she missed her chance to meet uncle Wook’s new girl, but Poong-san quickly comes up with a plan to move the party to Warm & Cozy.
He begs Jung-joo to stick around so that the pretty niece doesn’t leave, and Wook is in much better spirits when Jung-joo joins the party and says that she’s an idiot for wanting to check on something that wasn’t there.
Gun-woo returns, worried that Jung-joo is crying again because of him. But when he walks in, she’s busy laughing and playing drinking games with Wook and his friends. Gun-woo acts like he doesn’t care when Wook drinks for Jung-joo when she loses, but when the others call for a kiss instead, he stops in his tracks.
Jung-joo and Wook protest, but his niece sees an opportunity and pushes Jung-joo right into him, causing her to kiss him on the side of the head. Gun-woo gets jealous and announces that it’s no fun if you don’t do it right, “Like this…” and he leans down to kiss her on the lips properly.
The whole group is stunned into silence, and he says, “If you’re going to do it, do it properly!” and walks out. Jung-joo runs out after him and calls him a petty player, and he scoffs, calling her the player for partying just minutes after being with him. She tells him not to expect her to be hurt because of him, and he spits back sarcastically that it’s so awesome that she’s so strong.
She finally calms down and asks if he’s jealous, and remembers that he acted this way when she went to go see flowers with Wook. She guesses that this is his way of hanging on, and says, “If you want to hang onto me, say it now properly.” He says he’s done with all of that now, and announces that he’s leaving Jeju and quitting Warm & Cozy.
Wook comes out sometime later to find Jung-joo brooding alone, and tells her that her black knight (Wook) hasn’t been blown away by the wind (Gun-woo). She says that the wind won’t be blowing anymore because he’s leaving. She wonders, “Why is he doing that? I thought that even while he was shaking me around, he was holding onto me. But I must really be nothing to him.”
Wook asks shakily, “How can you be nothing? You’re all I see.” Awww. She bows in apology for making things harder for him, and he cuts her off so that she can’t finish whatever she was going to say.
Gun-woo’s father asks Mr. Gong to finalize the deal so that he can buy Hae-shil’s house, and plans to disappear again. He overheard Gun-woo’s desire not to have Dad show his face, and despite Mr. Gong’s offer to bring Gun-woo by so that he has a chance to talk, Dad seems resigned to letting his son hate him.
Nosy the Novelist tells Gun-woo’s noona about his father, Jin Tae-yong. He was a businessman, and Mom found out after a while that he had lied about his success. They had a drunken fight, and she drove off in a car, and he chased after her in a second car. That’s when he hit a young fisherman and drove off, leaving him to die on the side of the road. He was caught and sentenced to 15 years, and Mom was already pregnant with Gun-woo.
Noona realizes now why Mom had been so harsh with Gun-woo on his birthday. She told him cruelly that his father was trash—a con artist, liar, and murderer—and that he should never go looking for him. Noona warns her friend to stop the novel, and she agrees. But Ji-won is outside the door and has overheard everything.
Gun-woo looks around the empty restaurant and thinks back wistfully to all the happy memories he’s made here with Jung-joo. She comes downstairs and remains quiet as she pours herself some tea, but is so busy looking at Gun-woo that she pours the hot water right onto her hand.
Gun-woo quickly brings her to the sink and runs the cold water, and then insists on holding her hand to ice it himself. He says that it has to cool down, and when she asks when he’s leaving, he says, “Should I wait till you’ve cooled down first?” He checks her forehead again and asks if she’s still hot.
She tells him not to joke around and asks him again if he’s really going. Gun-woo: “Jung-joo-ya, will you come with me? …Can you tell whether what I’ve just said is sincere or not?” OH MY GOD. What the ass are you even saying?
She argues that he’s always confusing her, but he says that if he asked her for real, there’s a chance she’d turn him down and it would hurt too much. Dude, tough cookies! That’s life! He admits to protecting himself with jokes just in case he gets rejected, and argues that she’s not answering that she’d go with him either way, so she’s playing it safe too. He decides that her hand has cooled enough and plops the ice pack on her head.
Jung-joo makes plans to take over that other restaurant, using her house as the down payment. But at the same time, Gun-woo tells Mr. Gong that he’s leaving town and gets him to tell Poong-san and Jung-joo that Warm & Cozy will be sold, torn down, and turned into a love motel. Ha.
Just as he planned, Jung-joo and Poong-san come running to Gun-woo and offer to keep running Warm & Cozy, and Jung-joo offers her house as collateral. He agrees, though when Poong-san tells him that they’ll take great care of it for whenever he wants to return, Gun-woo says he won’t be coming back.
Jung-joo apologizes to Wook for passing on the other restaurant that he arranged for her, and admits that it scared her to think that if Warm & Cozy disappeared, she’d never see Gun-woo again.
Wook in turn admits that he wanted her to run the other restaurant to get away from Gun-woo, and that he knows it’s pathetic but he’s happy to know that Gun-woo’s leaving. He says that he’s going to remain by her side, though right now he’s standing behind her, which is safer so that he’s not rejected outright.
She muses that if you only stand in safe places and give safe answers, you get hurt less and only suffer wounds that heal quickly: “Safe is good, right?”
Jung-geun complains about having to order four shaved ices timed to Hae-shil’s arrival because she didn’t return his text messages (or you could order when she gets there?), and then complains that she doesn’t show enough affection in her texts. He’s hilarious: “I’m not asking for emoticons! Just a squiggly or eye-smiles here or there!”
He’s appeased when she promises to do that from now on, and then tells her about his plans to show her his house up in Seoul, because he wants her to move up there with him once he’s done with his work in Jeju. But Hae-shil says that she has no plans to leave Jeju.
Jung-geun can’t stand the idea of a long-distance relationship, and broods over what choice that leaves. There’s really only one if she won’t go up to Seoul, and so he decides he’ll have to stay in Jeju forever.
He takes his secretary to Warm & Cozy and tells him to plan a wedding here and not invite any of his chaebol relatives up in Seoul. He talks to Gun-woo about setting a good date, but Gun-woo tells him to do it elsewhere because he won’t be here. He plays the part of the wayward brother and says he’s bored and wants to travel, and will send a congratulatory text from the road.
Jung-geun can’t believe Gun-woo would skip his wedding, and asks why he didn’t show up to the dinner last time. Gun-woo lies that he has a bad relationship with Hae-shil, and when Jung-geun argues that she’s going to be his sister-in-law, Gun-woo says that they aren’t even really brothers. Aw, Gun-woo, why you gotta go hurting your hyung like that?
Jung-geun asks if he’s really not going to come to his own brother’s wedding, and Gun-woo says that him not being there won’t affect the wedding at all.
Ji-won’s ex-fiancé shows up wanting to get back together, and offers to take her back to New York with him. She finds Gun-woo nearby contemplating two plane tickets, and he does exactly what I want him to: He tells her to move it right along.
She chooses to sit (ugh) and tells him that she’s left him behind many times, but he’s never once held her back. She doesn’t want him to change for another girl when he didn’t change for her, and asks him to not to hang on desperately. Gun-woo: “Then I should hang onto her, because I am desperate.” Yes! Go do that!
He leaves Ji-won to stew on her own, and she returns to her ex to say that she’ll be going to New York, but not with him. The man she really wants to go with won’t ask her, so she plans to play it safe and go there first. Guh, she has the resilience of a cockroach, this one.
Gun-woo returns to find Wook offering to help Jung-joo clean up, and holding her hand after accidently spilling soup on it. Gun-woo gets all pissy again and refuses to help her since she can just use Wook from now on.
She follows him upstairs and spies two plane tickets sitting out on his bed, but he quickly covers them up with his jacket. They continue arguing and he accuses Jung-joo of having Wook fill his shoes the minute he told her he was leaving, and she scoffs that it’s a lot better than Gun-woo, who had to be dragged around like a cow to help out.
He mock-sympathizes with her for having to drag the cow everywhere and tells her to have a nice life with the mayor, and she tells him to leave now if he’s going to go. He sighs to himself that he’s supposed to be hanging on and asking her to go with him.
Later he comes downstairs and quietly starts helping her dry the dishes, then suddenly moos. Lol, he literally goes, “Moooooooooo,” and says he’s a cow and that he must’ve been crazy to say that stuff earlier.
She tells him she doesn’t have the energy to argue tonight because she has to get up early to go plant a tangerine tree at her house (per Wook’s suggestion), and she says that by the time it bears fruit in two to three years, she’ll have fixed up her house and be ready to leave Warm & Cozy.
She figures he’ll be away so she won’t see him, and offers to make jam from the tangerines and send it to him. He deflates at that and retracts what he was going to say, and adds that he doesn’t like tangerine jam. She stops him to ask why he’s leaving, and he says that he can’t ever tell anyone.
He admits that he was going to ask her to lose at rock-paper-scissors to him without asking any questions, but he tells her to go plant a tangerine tree instead. In a callback to their first parting years ago, he muses that by the time it bears fruit, she’ll become an impressive person. He contemplates her plane ticket and tucks the necklace inside, but tosses them aside on his nightstand.
Gun-woo’s dad plans to quietly leave town now that Hae-shil’s house has been bought. Jung-geun overhears her talking to the other ajummas about Jin Tae-yong, and she tells him that it’s the man who killed her late husband. Jung-geun quickly changes the subject and asks if she’ll live with him now that she sold her place, and she repeats that she won’t go to Seoul. Jung-geun: “Who said I was going to live in Seoul?”
She points out that they don’t need to live together to date, and he replies, “Who said I wanted to date? Kim Hae-shil-sshi, will you marry me?” He takes out a diamond ring, and he doesn’t even end up in the pool this time.
Noona is aghast that Jung-geun wants to have a small backyard wedding at Warm & Cozy: “What’re you, Lee Hyori? Won Bin?” He says all that’s left to do is sit Gun-woo down for a talk to find out what’s really going on with him. Noona wonders if it has to do with his father, and hands over a flash drive of the stuff that her novelist friend dug up.
Dad stops one last time at Warm & Cozy, and Gun-woo smiles and invites him in, thinking he’s just a patron. But Dad just shakes his silently and turns to go, and Gun-woo wonders if it might be his father.
He confirms it with Mr. Gong, who asks if he doesn’t want to stick around in Jeju. He promises to stay quiet, but Gun-woo doesn’t know how he’d face Hae-shil now that he knows the truth. Mr. Gong sighs to himself that it’s probably better for Gun-woo to leave, because if it might’ve happened the way he remembers it, it’d be even worse.
We flash back to the night of the accident from Mr. Gong’s point of view, and he remembers seeing Dad fight with Mom for her keys, saying that she couldn’t drive in that state. So then Mom’s the one who gets into the black car that caused the accident, and Dad follows her in the white one. Mr. Gong wonders if they swapped cars on the way. Um. ORRRRR, it’s the obvious other thing??
Jung-joo finds Gun-woo looking upset and puts a hand on his shoulder to ask what’s wrong. He takes her hand and declares that he’s going to hang on. But a$%#&^ he doesn’t ask her right away—he has to go see hyung first, and asks her to wait for him here.
Meanwhile, Jung-geun checks the flash drive and discovers the connection between Gun-woo’s father and the accident that killed Hae-shil’s husband. By time that he joins his siblings, Hae-shil is there, and Gun-woo is making excuses to leave early.
To everyone’s surprise, Jung-geun lets him go and looks at him with sad eyes. Hae-shil feels awkward and offers to leave instead, but Jung-geun holds her hand and says that he can’t let her go. Both brothers know that they’re talking about Gun-woo leaving Jeju and not his room, and Jung-geun apologizes to Gun-woo for sending him away like this. Gun-woo fights back tears and says it’s okay—everything will be fine if he leaves.
He puts on a smile and says he was planning to go anyway, but he looks like an abandoned puppy as he walks out alone.
Jung-joo remembers seeing two plane tickets, and wonders if Gun-woo is going to ask her to go with him. She asks her reflection in the mirror if she’s going to say yes if he asks, and her reflection smiles and nods back.
She runs out when the door opens, thinking it’s Gun-woo, but UGH—it’s Ji-won. She’s here to announce that she’s leaving Jeju, and makes Jung-joo think that she’s going with Gun-woo. Thankfully Jung-joo knows what a rat she is and calls her out on the lie, and says that Gun-woo asked her to go with him.
But Ji-won asks if she even knows why Gun-woo is leaving, and says that it’s because of his father, questioning why he’d ask Jung-joo to go with him without even telling her why. Ugh. Ji-won says that she told Gun-woo she’d go with him no matter what, and guesses that Jung-joo didn’t do the same.
She leaves Jung-joo reeling, which is how Wook finds her when he stops by. At first he turns to go, but then he stomps over to her and says that it’s okay if she didn’t run out to greet him—he’ll come down to her.
He sits down next to her and gently puts his arms around her so that she can lean on him, and comforts her sweetly.
Of course that’s when Gun-woo arrives. He sees them together and his face falls, and as he turns to go, he tells himself, “It’s okay. I was going to go alone anyway.”
COMMENTS
But! You’re the one who keeps telling her she’s hot for you and you alone! Pick a thing and go with it! Yunno, for a guy who’s leaving, Gun-woo sure does linger a long time. Can’t we skip to the part where he goes to the airport so that someone does something about it? All this talking about going while staying in place does nothing for me. I thought we had gotten past the denial of feelings, only now it’s been replaced by a different denial, and ’round and ’round we go. The reasons why they aren’t together are starting to wear seriously thin, even for someone as obtuse to his own heart as Gun-woo. I thought we’d be in a better place after the boy who cried wolf discovered he’d have to rebuild trust after crying wolf one too many times, but I don’t really know why Gun-woo hasn’t asked Jung-joo to go with him, other than to drag out the conflict for another episode.
It did pinch my heart when Jung-geun found out why Gun-woo was leaving and just let him go, especially because Yoo Yeon-seok plays that moment with the perfect amount of hope and disappointment. He’s still hoping at the end of the day that hyung would say it’s okay and stop him from making that needless sacrifice—that’s what I’m hoping the entire episode. But when he caves and just lets Gun-woo leave knowing that he’ll be adrift again, it’s so much sadder than when he was just being the noble idiot and taking responsibility for his father’s past on his own. This time it feels more like he’s actively being abandoned by the only family he knows, and watching it happen helped to explain a lot of his deep-seated fear and abandonment issues.
It’s just frustrating that it’s all moot if Dad’s not the one who’s responsible for the accident. If it’s Mom who was driving that car and Dad took the fall for her, it makes all three siblings’ mother the real monster. To think that she gave Gun-woo such a complex about his father in order to protect herself just makes my blood boil. And the fact that Gun-woo tried so hard to be the opposite of his father by being faithful to Ji-won? That makes me downright ragey! I just hope that Jung-geun comes through for his brother and doesn’t let him carry this on his own, even before they get to the part where they iron out the truth. Besides, I don’t think he’s giving Hae-shil enough credit to work through the past and stand by his side.
But more than anything, I’m annoyed because the family conflict has no bearing on Gun-woo’s relationship with Jung-joo, and it seems like he’s reverted to hiding his feelings when he KNOWS that she’d gladly go with him. I get the half-joking way he asks everything instead of being serious and sincere—it’s safer to just pretend you were kidding in case you get rejected—but that’s a quick way to get nowhere and have no one by your side. After crying wolf so many times, isn’t it his turn to put his heart on the line and just ask the question? He doesn’t even have to be all that brave to do it, given how obvious Jung-joo has been about liking him all this time. It speaks to how little he’s ever risked in life if he can’t even do that, and while I’m sympathetic, I’m also like, GET OVER IT. Wook is totally out-manning you, dude, and stealing a kiss here or there isn’t going to be enough if she really does cool down while you’re busy being a fraidy cat! (And seriously, what will it take to put Ji-won on a plane to Antarctica? Because I will pay.)
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1 RockPaperScissors
June 24, 2015 at 7:53 PM
Ugggghh - I'm now officially on the mayor's ship.
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momot
June 24, 2015 at 8:03 PM
Me too! Me too!
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amie
June 25, 2015 at 10:06 AM
The Hong Sisters' are just not in their element, yet again, tho they did good with Master's Sun , this one is just a bit okay but it kinda drags. The only reason am still here coz I love the cast except for Ji Won(who could win this year's Most Annoying Villain award). am still waiting for the cute and Geun Woo, can't you kiss a little softer and sweeter, that's a pretty,pretty girl in front of you, sheesh!
Should I be born a korean in my next life, I'm okay if I look like Kang So Ra, can't wish to be any prettier than that.
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jordane
June 25, 2015 at 12:58 PM
persevering to watch til the end coz of the OTP, it is rare to find pairings this year with this kind of cute chemistry, so let's just be patient.
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Gidget
June 25, 2015 at 5:53 PM
Really? I think JiWon should win a best couple award...with Lee Jae-Kyung, that is. Can you imagine a whole drama of THAT?
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Sue
June 24, 2015 at 8:43 PM
I'm now officially OFF this sinking ship. Took me long enough.
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KDaddict?JCW
June 24, 2015 at 9:17 PM
I'm in Wook's corner, but for the sake of his happiness, I don't wish for JJ to pick him on the rebound. Her whole mind and heart is with GW. Wook will only be frustrated and hurt getting JJ's physical presence.
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pam
June 25, 2015 at 7:31 AM
agree totally
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Gidget
June 25, 2015 at 5:55 PM
The only thing I don't like about them together, is his tendency for calling her stupid.
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2 nonski
June 24, 2015 at 7:57 PM
Yeeesssssssh thank you for the recaps GF!
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nonski
June 24, 2015 at 8:03 PM
No worries GF 90% of the people at soompi will help pay to ship Ji Won to Antarctica or Timbuktu!
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pigsnout
June 24, 2015 at 8:29 PM
db and soompi should jointly raise funds to send her away already lol
Send her to Antarctica, her face always looks like she smells penguin shit anyway. She won't even have to change her expression!
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KDaddict?JCW
June 24, 2015 at 9:19 PM
I love @pigsnout's idea. Antarctica suits her well. Let her eat penguin shit! Hee hee hee hee......
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fgb4877
June 24, 2015 at 9:42 PM
... And what do you want to ship her to Mars in the first "Only going ticket" mission?, she can com back from Antarctica but not from Mars!!!.
fgb4877
June 24, 2015 at 11:28 PM
Sorry, "what do you THINK about shipping her to Mars"?.
KDaddict?JCW
June 25, 2015 at 12:10 AM
Hi FGB,
At this pt, I'm ready to ship the Writers somewhere far away from SK, so that they can't inflict this kind of suffering on us again!
kanz
June 24, 2015 at 10:21 PM
Where I can send my money to help this fundraising? Or should we create Kickstarter?
LOL
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Pearly Beads
June 25, 2015 at 2:05 AM
Let's start the fundraising to Antartica for snooty Ji Won. But while she is still here at Warm and Cozy, I give a trained baby dragon to Jung Joo let it sit on her shoulder and when the lady with a foul, obnoxious and antogonixing mouth comes a- visiting again to talk nonsense, the pet dragon will shoot flames at her.
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Pearly Beads
June 25, 2015 at 2:07 AM
I mean I will give
Pearly Beads
June 25, 2015 at 2:44 AM
* antagonizing
geese
June 24, 2015 at 9:07 PM
I 2nd to that....definitely Timbuktu..
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Onion
June 24, 2015 at 9:49 PM
Here's $20. Take her to Timbuktu. Now. One way trip please. If $20 is not enough to take her to Timbuktu, some uninhabited island in Korea will do.
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pr
June 25, 2015 at 6:42 PM
I vote to drop her off at the Bermuda triangle!
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Apple Pie
June 27, 2015 at 12:16 PM
Agree , she lier to JJ !!!!!!
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3 elvira
June 24, 2015 at 8:02 PM
There are many random and surprising cameo appearance in drama these days...
Wondering if it's a rating booster...
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4 4drama
June 24, 2015 at 8:03 PM
Yep!! I'lol chip in for her Antarctica flight! Thanks for the recap and I'm also frustrated in this episode!! Ohh my Gun Woo!!
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osmanthustea
June 25, 2015 at 9:43 AM
+1
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5 evw09
June 24, 2015 at 8:03 PM
But...
I...
Maybe...
*sigh*
Please,please tell me this show got an extension (obviously, none of us know about it) that's going to make sense of this mess.
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KDaddict?JCW
June 24, 2015 at 9:21 PM
Given the way these writers are writing, an extension wouldn't help make sense of this mess. It'll only give them more eps to muck things up even more.
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Catali7
June 24, 2015 at 9:35 PM
Exactly. If they got an extension, it would only give them even MORE time to screw everything up. Sighs. What happened? Last episode was going along okay, and then this. JJ isn't the only one getting whiplash from the way GW is being written. I think I need a neck brace.
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Onion
June 24, 2015 at 10:06 PM
This is going to go around in batshit crazy circles. I don't think I can sit through an extension with my OTP speaking in code. This is harder to decipher than the DaVinci Code.
*keep calm and replaying BTS footage of KSR making naughty faces at YYS and his biceps*
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Catali7
June 25, 2015 at 9:36 AM
Ooh! That's a good idea! *plays BTS & sighs*
Apple Pie
June 27, 2015 at 12:21 PM
Oh yes, I really love that BTS , it so good that we can see such naughty faces, it even more attractive from the real then th drama ! He He
6 scornflake
June 24, 2015 at 8:12 PM
This show is driving me slowly insane.
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KDaddict?JCW
June 24, 2015 at 9:26 PM
Poor @scornflake, and poor us! ?
I finally gave up at 20 mins. into this ep. It's quite a feat on their part. What show can drive a viewer to quit so close to the end? Is this the penultimate episode?
I've had more satisfaction watching dough rise. At least the latter is not frustrating.
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fgb4877
June 24, 2015 at 9:46 PM
Dear KDaddict, please don't compare the noble Yeast's work to this writing quality. I find the comparison utterly insulting to these poor, hard-working and silent fungi ;) .
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fgb4877
June 24, 2015 at 10:33 PM
By the way, I couldn't stomach the Drama when GW kissed JJ in front of Mayor. To be honest nothing unusually aggravating at that point, it was just like having lost my patience on this. Hope tomorrow will have more patience to endure until the end of the running.
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KDaddict?JCW
June 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM
FGB,
I salute you for having the determination to stick with it again tmr. Good luck. I hope what is slowly happening to @scornflake doesn't happen to you. :D
fgb4877
June 25, 2015 at 1:46 PM
Dear KDaddict, could you recommend me some really good dramas?.
I don't know if I am put-off by this mess, or if I have been spoiled by some earlier Hong Sister's dramas, Kim Sam-Soon and specially Flowers for my Life; the thing is I crave for some good writing, with good acting an topped with sensible directing telling a meaningful story.
I fell that the seemingly endlessly circling of vultures are far more productive than this plot. That undermines my love in K-dramas.
Anyway sorry for my rant, and if possible (and jumping on another topic) please tell me if there is a way in English to jump over all the repetitives "me" and "I" or please point me a reference. You could consider it an odd request, not so much when you consider that my English is self-learnt and my Mother Language is Spanish (in which the subject is kind of less conspicuous - sometimes it feels hard to show that I am only expressing my point of view without sounding like one of our horrible politicians in campaign-) ;) .
Hope to read you soon,
FGB4877.
KDaddict?JCW
June 25, 2015 at 9:20 PM
Hi FGB,
Your English is fine as it is. How can self-taught English be so good? A friend of mine teaches ESL in Australia. I'll ask her for a good reference for u.
I'd be happy to chat w you on the mentioned subjects, but some ppl might object to it being off-topic. (Someone always does). If u want to put down an email address here, I'd email u. I don't do Facebook.
fgb4877
June 25, 2015 at 11:28 PM
Dear KDaddict, happy to obligue.
My self-learnt English is due that I am a Chemical Engineer with a Master in Materials Sciences, so for me reading in English is a must since almost all remarcable work in my field is shared in that Language, but I was only 5 months in an Academy learning it, and a year learning to read it using tools like guessing words by context, etc.
Afer that I learned by reading, but only a year ago started to let go the crutches that were the subtitles in my case.
I can assure you, technical English is totally a different beast than literary/coloquial one. forums like this are GOLD to me, besides the obvious joy of sharing my toughts in this particular community.
Is there a way to deliver you my e-mail address in a rather inconspicuous way?. I want to share my e-mail with you, not the whole community.
KDaddict?JCW
June 25, 2015 at 11:39 PM
I understand the concern. What I can suggest is get a new acct. Give that address to me here. Once I send u mail, u can delete that acct right away, and u use your regular acct to write from then on.
KDaddict?JCW
June 26, 2015 at 12:40 AM
I mean, open a new acct on gmail. We can just use that.
fgb4877
July 5, 2015 at 12:36 AM
Dear Ms. KDaddict, my e-mail for these purposes will be [email protected] . Thank you in advance, this forum is GOLD for me in several fronts:
* Share love over Dramas.
* Practice English.
* I don't know if it will be, but I hope to do my PhD. in South Korea.
divyrus
June 25, 2015 at 3:20 AM
@ KDaddict I swear I laughed for 5 mts straight! I have had more satisfaction watching the dough raise :D
Word !
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fgb4877
June 25, 2015 at 1:49 PM
... That might be because there is a point in waiting for the dough to rise and your payoff for your time is certain (good bread/pizza crust), unlike this circling mess. ;) .
Cheers!.
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KDaddict?JCW
June 25, 2015 at 9:23 PM
Hi @Divyrus and FGB,
If you 've watched Chajumma or Seojinnie baking bread on 3 Meals a day, you'd know what I mean. Their pleasure and that of the ppl around them, all checking on the dough in the oven, is palpable!
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7 calicali
June 24, 2015 at 8:15 PM
At this point I don't care who she ends up with as long as Ji Won is in Antarctica. Frigid bitch.
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Adal
June 24, 2015 at 9:04 PM
She's a plot device. Albeit overused. Time to get rid of her.
Ji Won, Go to New York or wherever the hell it is. But stay gone. And better still, marry your ex from NY.
Ugh. He's as slimy as she is.
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Pearly Beads
June 25, 2015 at 2:35 AM
Ha ha ha this made me laugh
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Pearly Beads
June 25, 2015 at 2:41 AM
Warm and Cozy? Oh not anymore. The plot is getting boring and frustrating, only 3 last epusodes and up to now Geon Woo's love for LJung Joo is not resolved yet..I hope the director nd producers will not rush it and short change us viewers who love the leading actor & actress.
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Apple Pie
June 27, 2015 at 12:29 PM
Sure, I really love both leading actor and actress, You can see that how they put their effort to this drama, will they feel disappointed like us the viewer ?
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8 Kamilah Fox
June 24, 2015 at 8:17 PM
I'm about over this show. Just keeps going round and round with the same ol' stuff. I'm like grow up Geon Woo and get a backbone Jung Joo. If it wasn't close to the ending I would give up watching. I'm ready for this show to be over
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sel
June 25, 2015 at 1:29 AM
Seriously. I love this batch, and have been giving the show so much leeway for the no-plot, cos I loved the main pair and the great sides. But this episode was like 7 of the same scene repeated, with minor twists on dialogue, and some metaphors stirring the pot.
I watched on out of loyalty/hope but maaaaan. I think it took this episode to alert me to how big of a failure this drama could've been without the saving grace of the actors. And even with them it's like just buoying--at least in this epi-- which says a lot about the strength of the actors and the shittiness of this story now.
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Kamilah Fox
June 25, 2015 at 9:18 AM
Totally agree!! I love the main actors in this show and think they r doing great with the crap they have been given. I should've quit watching this show about halfway in cuz nothing has changed. Every episode is almost the same. The truth about his dad's situation is pretty lame ass too if u ask me. Hopefully they can salvage the end but I doubt it being as they haven't done much of crap with the 13 episodes I have watched.
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9 BoBoHu
June 24, 2015 at 8:20 PM
wow. you are super fast, girlfriday! :D thanks for the recap!
*brb watching ep 13*
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BoBoHu
June 25, 2015 at 9:08 AM
Hmm... I wonder why so many people feel disappointed over the progress of this story. I think W&C is just the same as any other Hong Sisters' dramas. Like, they have this formula that they've used again and again, so I never expect more. So if you're able to not anticipating anything, you'll find it an easy watch.
On the upside, btw, is the casting. I sooo like all the casts. If there is one best thing about HS dramas, it would be the casting of the leads. So on-point, and the chemistry never disappoints. But if they were going with Kim Woo-bin as Gun-woo, i think he would be less likeable. Not that i don't like Kim Woo-bin, it's just his range is still so limited for roles like Gun-woo.
And if i may add, Yoo Yeon-seok is just all kinds of awesome. I love him. :3
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BoBoHu
June 25, 2015 at 9:17 AM
Hmm... I wonder why so many people feel disappointed over the progress of this story. I think WnC is just the same as any other Hong Sisters' dramas. Like, they have this formula that they've used again and again, so I never expect more. So if you're able to not anticipating anything, you'll find it an easy watch.
On the upside, btw, is the casting. I sooo like all the casts. If there is one best thing about HS dramas, it would be the casting of the leads. So on-point, and the chemistry never disappoints. But if they were going with Kim Woo-bin as Gun-woo, i think he would be less likeable. Not that i don't like Kim Woo-bin, it's just his range is still so limited for roles like Gun-woo.
And if i may add, Yoo Yeon-seok is just all kinds of awesome. I love him. :3
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BoBoHu
June 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM
double post! i'm sorry!! ><
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Apple Pie
June 27, 2015 at 12:35 PM
100% agree with you that Yoo Yeon Seok is awesome, as from the beginning , the same thought if not him, is there anyone will watch this drama, of cause there is KSR too.
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10 Fuujin
June 24, 2015 at 8:22 PM
Thank you, Girlfriday, for recapping so quickly. I just finished watching and was dying for your thoughts. I rarely post comments, but this drama provoked a level of frustration in me tonight too great to ignore. I love Gun-woo and Jung-joo as well as many of the side characters. Ji-won, by contrast, is unbearable, ridiculous, and one-dimensional. Gun-woo's noona is pretty awful too.
But more than hating them (Ji-won especially), I am hating the ongoing reliance of Ji-won and Wook ALWAYS coincidentally showing up at the most inopportune moment to muck things up between the OTP, either by feeding them nonsense and lies or simply by being there and being seen by their rival.
Surely the Hong sisters can find a more original way to create drama and conflict and confusion. This is so tired by now. And they use this crutch every single episode. I enjoy so much about this show, but tonight the writing seemed to descend to an unprecedented level of laziness.
It makes me sad because I like these characters, and I think they deserve better. I felt this way watching My Girl. I loved it, and then I hated it. The "angst" in several Hong Sisters dramas feels manufactured and over the top to me, threatening to (and sometimes succeeding in) undermining my love of good characters and enjoyment of goo comedy.
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pigsnout
June 24, 2015 at 8:42 PM
This is even more disappointing because their last drama was Master's Sun. ...which also had problems with the plot. But at least the otp relationship there did not have stupid second lead getting in the way!
Yoo Yeon Seok and Kang Sora are really good actors and have great chemistry but this stupid drama is not letting them be together properly to really show that off. Our Chilbongie and Ahn Young Yi deserves better!
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Fuujin
June 24, 2015 at 8:49 PM
I totally agree. The second leads in Master's Sun were characters in their own right and the served useful purposes in the story. Our second leads here are simply devices (though Wook started off as more, that's basically what he has devolved into).
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pigsnout
June 24, 2015 at 9:03 PM
Also Kim Yoo Ri (MS second female lead) was a good comic actress, she really acted well in her role. She also started out as this kind of dislikable bitchy character but I think once the Hong sisters realised she can act, they made her funny and gave her more scenes.
Ugh You of W&C really makes me miss Little Sun.
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korini
June 25, 2015 at 3:50 AM
I think we tend to view the past a bit romantically. If Kim Yoo Ri is able to act, she hasn't proven it since. In Fated her part was... well erased and in My love she's plain incomprehensible. I think you only remember the episode of her possession, after which she became irrelevant. The rest of the her story and the connection to Kong Hyo-Jin was a bit hasty and silly. And the story of her love interest Seo In-Guk was weird as well. He was sent to keep an eye to So Ji-Sub and for that reason he was following Kong Hyo-Jin? And the story of Lee Chun-Hee out of the blue? Come on!
I'm a big fan of Hong Sisters but the truth is that their back stories, besides the actual dialogue between the couples is always a bit... peculiar? Inconsistent? When the Hongs use the second female lead as an antagonist for the second lead, she becomes more likeable and we forget how awful she was at first. Why haven't they chose this for Warm and Cozy? Was it a memento to their previous works? Was the actress bad? Probably. As far as the chemistry between the main couple, I hope we all understand that chemistry is supposed to be a sexual thing. A big "no, no" for dramaland. Therefore anytime we speak of chemistry, we just mean the couples are nice to watch or they look good together as a still, a frame, a cadre.
pogo
June 25, 2015 at 7:58 AM
@korini - Kim Yuri remained an excellent bit of comic relief in Master's Sun long after the possession episode, her relevance to the plot was never the point but she sold her role, and sold it well.
And she was most certainly not part of the cast of Fated to Love You....are you thinking of Kill Me, Heal Me? Because she did quite well there playing a dislikable character who actually spoke in multiple tones and not through her nose.
pogo
June 25, 2015 at 8:15 AM
Also, this: I hope we all understand that chemistry is supposed to be a sexual thing
I don't get this perpetual obsession with defining things only in relation to sex - what does that make the boys of School 2013 or Sungkyunkwan Scandal, then? Or Jo Soo-hyang and Kim So-hyun in School 2015? Or even a then 12-year-old Kim Yoo-jung with Yeo Jin-gu in Moon/Sun? Because they had great chemistry, and it wasn't of the sexual type.
But since we must limit our view of chemistry to sexuality only, I think So Ji-sub and Gong Hyo-jin were the only Hong sisters couple to actually bring something of a sexual vibe, however sublimated, to their roles in Master's Sun. Yoo Yeon-seok showed the glimmerings of it here but unfortunately the drama simply stuffs him in the 'two steps back' box the minute it shows. Disappointing.
fgb4877
June 24, 2015 at 10:59 PM
Master's Sun second leads had a past, a meaning, and a story. They gave and received love, and they felt fleshed. The second male lead was a tough guy that had to grow-up ahead of time since his father was ill, and had so many regrets about his relationship with him. And do you remember that the first male lead's father was worried about him and told him to be more sincere with himself?. I remember he had Ghost issues since he saw a lot of death as a soldier.
Little Sun had to get out of her self-admiring person to grow-up and get her chance with a very jaded second male lead. When Ms. Kim Yoo-Ri became more earnest I felt for her heartbrokennes and her loneliness. I loved her for her clumsiness, earnestness and air-headness (I laughed when she confessed that thinking so much made her head hurt). She wasn't one-dimesional at all, maybe a little over the top and ridiculous, but that was just fine.
And that was just a Drama ago. I know a lot of us still love some of Hong Sister's Classics and wish to see more iterations of their style, but I prefer to wait 2-3 years for a good running than waiting a year for a random script that at the end of the day is forgettable at its best.
One of the basics of storytelling is to be able to connect the audience (be it a reader, a group hearing Pansoori or us watching from the little screen of our computers) with the characters, and make us relate to them in order to tell a story that is meaningful for us, thus delivering whatever message they wanted.
You can have an amazing plot, but if the writer fails in making us connect to the story, or to stay interested, then the play is doomed.
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korini
June 25, 2015 at 8:46 AM
@pogo, hi.
You're right, she was in KMHM. And she sold the part to us, the Hong audience, exactly because she wasn't annoying enough to claim the leading man.
About your second point, I fail to understand what you mean. Chemistry between any couple is the route to sex. If achieved or not, it's another story. In Moon, we see a couple ready to get married. About your reference in SScandal, do I need to say what the writers were implying? About School, I haven't seen it, but I suppose it wasn't a gay attraction between the leads, but rather what you call "bromance" (I presume it's an ironical term). Let me give you an example. The couple in Brokeback mountain has chemistry, whereas in the Ocean franchise the male leads don't. Unless I have not understood something and in korean, chemistry means two actors who look good together or act well together, regardless of their story being romantic or not.
Apple Pie
June 27, 2015 at 12:40 PM
That is the point , that is the point ! In fact, all of us can see how YYS and KSR they played the character by heart !
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crazyahjummafan
June 25, 2015 at 10:35 AM
@Fuujin
"I am hating the ongoing reliance of Ji-won and Wook ALWAYS coincidentally showing up at the most inopportune moment to muck things up between the OTP, either by feeding them nonsense and lies or simply by being there and being seen by their rival."
I totally agree with you. It's really annoying how Jiwon keeps popping up every time JJ has some hope that GW likes her, to simply burst her balloon; and Wook.... he always, always comes round when JJ is sad and moping. Don't the Hong sisters know that they are making him look more likeable than GW???? Doesn't make sense at all! He's already Mr Nice Guy, does he have to appear and comfort JJ at the right time, every time?
Sometimes it's like watching the same scene over and over again.
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11 Fuujin
June 24, 2015 at 8:23 PM
*good* comedy (not goo comedy). Sorry!
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12 purplesheesh
June 24, 2015 at 8:26 PM
I give up on this frustrating drama. Is this really written by THE Hong Sisters? Where is their magic?
I love KSR and YYS but the story is too slow paced and boring. Ugh. I hate Jiwon, both the role and the actress that can't act.
I'll stop watching and read recaps instead.
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13 Mandy
June 24, 2015 at 8:37 PM
MEH, Wook is wearing my patience real thin. His arc is so ridiculously repetitive and brings no substance to the drama other than make Gun-woo jealous. Like, enough already, its so tiring. I can't believe how many times I've FFed his scenes in the past two episodes. Typical second lead *YAWN*
I think Yoo Yeon-seok is out-awesoming everyone in the drama. Gun-woo might be one of the most unlikeable male leads the HS has ever written, but its the earnestness, hidden pain and obvious heart that steals my affections every time. I want to smack him for being such a coward/jerk but I can't seem to stop rooting for him.
So disappointed at hyung today. SO disappointed. I can't believe he actually abandoned his brother for a woman when he knows for a fact that Gun-woo is innocent to whatever wrongdoings his father committed. Gun-woo was so hopeful that his brother would stop his madness, accept him despite everything and understand where he's coming from. Instead, hyung just pulls Hae-shil's hands to his in front of him basically saying "she's more important to me than you are." That's too heartbreaking, and I don't think I can ever look at Hyung the same way.
As for the OTP, this is an absolute drag right now. I have no idea why they aren't together, but if Gun-woo still refuses to blurt out the goddamn truth, I'm going to write a 10k word letter to the HS!
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pigsnout
June 24, 2015 at 8:55 PM
I like Wook but really he got very repetitive this ep.....they ran out of things to do with him after introducing his clone family lol.
The drama actually has some interest when Gun Woo and Jung Joo are together on the screen but I feel like we got much less of that this ep. Yoo Yeon Seok and Kang Sora probably should get medals by now, for doing such a good job even when the story and plot is this stupid.
and get rid of that stupid novelist couple and Ji Won, I will even burn incense to plead for that.
the best and most non frustrating part of this ep was probably the preview of Scholar Who Walks the Night at the end. Hopefully that drama won't be a disappointment like this one.
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Fuujin
June 24, 2015 at 9:06 PM
I liked Wook until he lied about not seeing Gun-woo pick up Jung-joo that night (when JJ said she would marry him [the mayor] if he looked like that [Gun-woo]).
Not only was that a low thing to do, but it was completely untrue to the character, who up to that point always ended up doing the right thing even when he wanted to be petty.
Since then, he has only been used to cause problems with the OTP.
And that one lie robbed all my affection for him, so that even when he's being sweet, I feel no sympathy for him.
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Apple Pie
June 27, 2015 at 12:51 PM
I hate him being lied to JJ too !!!
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KDaddict
June 24, 2015 at 10:07 PM
"Wook is wearing my patience real thin. His arc is so ridiculously repetitive…"
Isn't that the whole problem w this stupid thing? EVERYTHING is so ridiculously repetitive herein, so everyone is wearing our patience real thin!!!
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sel
June 25, 2015 at 1:41 AM
Yeah the repetitiveness is like inexcusable. How did this episode get past a round of editing without 85 percent cut out for uselessness. What kills me is that it's not even like a stretched love triangle or back and forth--it was literally an entire episode of the same 3 scenes between GW and JJ.
Yoo Yeon-seok is killing it! So-Ra too though. She provides so much heart in this story, and her comedic moments are killer too. But you're so right about how much YYS saves GW--he doesn't have the aloofness of most male leads, and is genuinely selfish and even cowardly, but he presents in such an endearing way that you accept it. If GW wasn't as charismatic as he is, and only the actor can really provide that, he could've been way less fun to watch and root for.
Also on board with you about hyung. Sad moment and so disappointing. How could you hyung.
(Also, not to diminish my real disbelief/sadness at his behavior with GW, but LOL THAT PROPOSAL, really, how did he get away with it. Especially when before it he says 'i'm so busy with the wedding, i skipped the proposal.' That's classic. What a bonehead.)
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Apple Pie
June 27, 2015 at 12:58 PM
You are telling the truth, my English not that good to express my feeling of both leads, again how hard they play this drama in heart !
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pogo
June 25, 2015 at 8:24 AM
If Gun-woo was played by anyone but Yoo Yeon-seok, I'd probably have wanted Jung-joo to drown him in the ocean several episodes ago. But YYS really exploits the appeal of someone whose personality is for the most part, an open book - no classic hero-style aloofness, really rather goofy and immature, but with an openly good heart. (part of the reason why this latest round of noble idiocy doesn't sit well with me - it doesn't gel with his character).
And I have to give credit to Kang Sora too, she's ended up with the usual Hong sisters template of playing the 'straight man' to Gun-woo's childish hero. And it would be really easy to get annoyed at Jung-joo too if she wasn't played with so much heart, because damn the plot has her going round in circles, it is ridiculous.
They both deserve better. (and I agree on the disappointment with hyung's actions toward Gun-woo today, like really? You're just going to let your brother leave for good, and not even give Hae-shil the chance to process the info for herself and deal? And of course this will all be moot since the three siblings' mother is likely the actual hit-and-run drunk driver)
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14 pachiabmoua
June 24, 2015 at 8:51 PM
Okay so here's what I'm feeling about this drama.. First of all I was really going towards Wook's side before Gun woo got all serious... Now it's the other way around.. I'm rooting for Gun woo now, I can't stand to see Wook with Jung joo now. Ugh Gun woo! Why must you be like this! Stop sugar coating and tell her straight up!!
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15 fantasy
June 24, 2015 at 8:52 PM
Ji won Super Glue should be there in market, so sticky !!!!
I know Geon Woo is really really irritating character but I could not ignore YYS' hurt eyes in the beginning, seriously I wanted to console him
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16 songsong
June 24, 2015 at 8:52 PM
Love Yoo Yeon Seok & Kang Sora. Both acted so well in ep 13!
Can't wait for ep 14. Will they finally be together?
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17 Adal
June 24, 2015 at 8:56 PM
It looks like Hyung has made his choice. Poor Geon Woo. I understand Hyung's choice, but I still feel bad for GW. It looks like he doesn't have anyone by his side. If he would only level with Jung joo, he'd find himself with an advocate for life.
The plot is basing its Angst on a lot of half truths and hidden disclosures. I'm willing to bet that the person who really killed the fisherman (Hae Sil's husband ) was really GW's mom, and the father decided to take the fall for her because she was pregnant with his child. After all, she was drunker than he was that night. GW's mom strikes me as a grade A bitch, and his father seems like a gentleman. No matter how bad GW's father is, how can any mom plant such thoughts in her child, and make the child lose all self confidence in himself? It's no wonder GW saw himself as a pathetic loser. And he clings to JJ because she constantly reaffirms his positive qualities and his confidence in himself.
If what Jung bae recollects about the drivers is true, and the real culprit is actually their mom, then hyung is in for a really tough time. It would be harder to turn his back on himself, if his own mother is responsible. But the Hong Sisters may not direct the plot that way. After all, we have only three more episodes for the drama to play out.
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18 Z
June 24, 2015 at 8:58 PM
So, Hyung is the worst brother EVER. I hate him, now. What a waste of smoldering hotness.
Also, really Mom? Why not just tell Gun Woo that he's dead or that he ran off? Why create a boogie man monster? He already took the fall for you so what are you afraid of?
Also, since when is vehicular homocide murder?
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
June 24, 2015 at 9:02 PM
I'm with you on Hyung. He just effectively crushed his younger brother (note thst he's never called him his half-brother) and insulted HaeShil in that one sentence.
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geese
June 24, 2015 at 9:11 PM
wow he treasures them as family but no one seems to really want to know the truth just because they are half brother and if only they cared a bit for Geun Woo as much as he cares for them..gah...sigh sigh..
what would you do hyung if it was actually mom who killed Haeshil husband...huh...hmmpp...
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sel
June 25, 2015 at 5:18 AM
Yuuuup on hyung. Way to crush hearts.
The mom though--what an 11th hour antagonist. It's funny to think of Ji-Won is an imitation of her, now that we know fully how bad she was, and to think of JW as a twist on Daisy Buchanan. Maybe Ji-Won's complete unlikeable-ness is like a moral stance on Daisy's character.
But seriously that mom. So many questions. Like: why did GW's dad even love her? And then cover for her? How did two others also get involved with her? Why is she so horrible? Did GW's noona take after her?
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KDaddict?JCW
June 25, 2015 at 6:28 AM
@sel,
Hate to break it to you like this, you know, if the writers were thinking straight, we wouldn't be having this mess of a story, and since they AREN'T thinking straight, your questions, which are good and legitimate Qn's, simply don't have answers. In my mind's eye, I can see the writers going:
Oh, those Qn's, they never even crossed our minds! Are they important?
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fgb4877
June 25, 2015 at 11:44 AM
Dear KDaddict, how are you?.
I am just wondering, since I never saw BIG, how much horrible than this is is?. If so, what makes it so awful?. I am asking because I am having a hard time swallowing this Drama, and to think there is something much worst from the same writers blows my mind.
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kalel
June 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM
Big is much, much worse than Warm and Cozy because it had the parameters for success:
1) It'd be the first part of Goo after his military service.
2) The script in its plot details was much better thought and therefore much more complicated than Warm and Cozy.
3) The Hong sisters were coming from a huge success which was subjected to total make over after the problems with the script and the change of cast in Greatest. That overboosted their self-confidence to probably disportional heights. They thought they could pull anything.
What happened? KBS in the peak of its crazy period happened, the leading lady happened, Suzy happened, a third female lead happened (after the torment of MYS). Plus crazy parents and all.
BUT! Anything can be excused in dramas, if the couple really works (does anyone remember Pasta?). Apparently here even though the couple is super cute, something is off.
The story of the second couple is much more elaborated (metaphors, past, polar opposites), and that makes me think that maybe, just maybe they were the main story and something happened in the production process.
shahera5
June 25, 2015 at 9:43 AM
It seems it's murder because he ran away and didn't report the accident.
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Z
June 25, 2015 at 4:33 PM
Was that a detail from the episode that didnt make it into the episode? I'm still behind.
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19 PeepsLeAwesomePotato
June 24, 2015 at 9:00 PM
What does it say of the show if I'm sitting there frustrated instead of while watching what was supposed to be a comedy?
I kinda get why GunWoo is such a pathetic person. His mom is crazy and his experiences in his siblings' households makes him feel unwanted, URG keeps her association with him only on virtue of his money and now, his half-brother who's been with him like a father-figure and full-blooded brother tells him he's not important enough just to stay. It's no miracle that GunWoo's self-esteem is in the pits and that he thinks he deserves nothing and yet JungJoo is the first person-thing he's ever wanted and so he can't let himself go without her. He doesn't want to leave and he's waiting for someone to tell him not to otherwise he can't justify doing what his heart wants instead of doing something for the better good (WHAT GUNWOO WHAT)...
I sorta want JungJoo to pull him back and embrace him, and give him self-worth because she loves him and he loves her and then whack him left-right-and-centre for all the pain he put her through. GeonWoo should have been stronger all the while but right now, his own mental strength is at zero and that strength has to comes from somewhere outside him.
Also, their luck with timing is like that of Romeo and Juliet's... =_=
Can the writers give more varied obstacles?
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
June 24, 2015 at 9:10 PM
Following the hair theory of Kdrama land, if straight bangs make him stupid for JiWon and if side bangs make him a noble idiot, will upward raised bangs make him assertive and decisive? Then please make his bangs go up!
What, that's
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
June 24, 2015 at 9:11 PM
What, that's too extreme a personality shift? Then make it a dye job! Give him black hair! Or white. Whatever it is that give GunWoo courage.
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20 panshel
June 24, 2015 at 9:07 PM
Are these two ever going to get together?
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windsun33
June 25, 2015 at 9:46 AM
Does anyone really care anymore?
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21 cmak
June 24, 2015 at 9:09 PM
This drama is terrible. I have stuck it out this long so I need to see how it ends even though I'm pretty sure I can predict it with 95% accuracy. I enjoy dramas with low conflict and low-key plots because sometimes you don't want to be pulling your hair out midway through its run. BUT, this drama is seriously just spinning its wheels (like many have said) because there is no plot at all. I can't even with this show anymore. Best way to describe it hahaha.
Can this show PLEASE just end so that I can see my Lee Jun Ki back on the screen?! The preview at the end of the episode had me fangirling so hard sigh so excited just two more weeks!
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22 little-muffin
June 24, 2015 at 9:19 PM
Frustrating. The show is seriously dragging now...
Why can't they just be honest with one another and if there's any problem with the family, they can just face it together!
I was very hopeful when Geon-woo finally realized his feelings for JJ last week, but now.. sigh.
I'm watching this purely for YYS and KSR because despite everything, they're still fantastic.
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sel
June 25, 2015 at 1:46 AM
'I’m watching this purely for YYS and KSR because despite everything, they’re still fantastic.'
For real, and this is truly a mammoth feat.
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nami
June 25, 2015 at 5:26 AM
"I’m watching this purely for YYS and KSR because despite everything, they’re still fantastic."
THAT! Seriously, they are the saving grace of this drama.
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Apple Pie
June 27, 2015 at 1:10 PM
Oh , saving grace , how you say it really true , everytime,i watch both YYS & KSR. my eyes can't stop stare at them.
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23 pigsnout
June 24, 2015 at 9:40 PM
Seriously if the Hong sisters want even slightly higher ratings, make ur plot and OTP move forward instead of shoving in random cameos from girl group members.
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24 Catali7
June 24, 2015 at 9:51 PM
I really tried drama. But I'm getting whiplash from all of these flimsy excuses and the baseless, aimless plot. It's not even whiplash at this point because it's been going on for so long that it feels as though I'm trapped in a perpetually crashing vehicle-stuck in a Groundhog Day-esque time loop.
This show has made Jung Joo's of us all in a way; we keep expecting the show (GW) to improve, to change, to become the show we know it could be, and, without fail, it disappoints us with faulty reasoning and tropes and cliches so tired they laid down and died rather than continue.
Okay. I'm giving up on it. Only reading recaps from now on because they're funnier than the actual show.
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windsun33
June 25, 2015 at 9:48 AM
I started doing that about 5 episodes ago :D
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Catali7
June 25, 2015 at 7:10 PM
You are smarter than I. :)
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25 Mikee
June 24, 2015 at 10:01 PM
@girlfriend I have checked for direct flights from Seoul to Antarctica -- meaning literally putting JW on a plane and arming her with a parachute --- sadly there is no such thing. I was willing to pay and personally push her off the plane.
I did find other options:
1) Travel on a cruise ship - The costs for these cruises will vary, but for a ten day trip expect to pay at least $4500, whereas for the longer trips it could be from $12,750-$16,000
2) Sail to Antarctica on a yacht - $1000/ day
3)Travel on a French re-supply ship -Prices start from around $8,000 for the month
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Mikee
June 24, 2015 at 10:03 PM
Lol auto correct wrote @girlfriend instead of @girlfriday
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26 Savannah
June 24, 2015 at 10:18 PM
What happened to the Hong sisters? They're like a broking, squeaking recorder about to be thrown off Mount Fiji...
It's like they've lost their magic touch :(
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27 BlackDog
June 24, 2015 at 10:25 PM
I gave up on this show on ep 11. I just couldn't! So now I browse the recaps (thanks for them!) and still can't help but sigh at GW. At first I hoped he'll grow out of it, but now all hope is lost.
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28 Aigoooo
June 24, 2015 at 10:26 PM
This episode just makes me want to strangle someone in my near vicinity. The frustration level this drama has caused is really something else. lol Just when you think the OTP has finally gotten past all the bs, they are at it again. They could have at least created a better reason for the noble idiocy plus Jung Joo has nothing to do with any of it which makes it frustrating for him not telling her why he is running away. My estranged dad (maybe mom) killed the husband of the woman my brother is marrying. Booo frickin' hoooo! It's not like the guy got away with it. He spent 15 years behind bars. I will never understand why the sins of your parents would have anything to do with you.
And don't even get me started with whatsherface! lol
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SuziQ
June 25, 2015 at 9:44 AM
DITTO!
I want to go slap GW at the side of his head! His character is driving me nuts! I like him, but he does asinine things to JJ.
The Hong sisters have lost their magic. Dialogue and plot is retarded. So, far their characters are going around in circles and it's episode 13.I'm finding their dialogue very stilted and unnatural. Don't make any sense to me.
The poor dad has served 15 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit and he leaves GW without any explanation?
The older brother doesn't stop GW from leaving? I want to slap him too. Why should GW be ostracized? He didn't commit any crime.
I like the actress who plays JW. Don't like her character but she plays her character to perfection..snooty gold digger.
This drama is not one of the Hong sister best effort. So disappointed.
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29 daydreamer11
June 24, 2015 at 10:27 PM
The siblings' mom is cold blooded for sure. She delivered the line "I didn't want to give birth to a baby from the likes of him but I have no choice" to Geon Woo just like that? No wonder the guy has no self esteem - he receive no love growing up and he gets to know that he wasn't even wanted in the very first place on top of that.
If cruella mommy is the real culprit then her painting GW's dad as a really horrible guy and forbid GW from ever meeting him was probably because she's afraid the truth will be revealed about the crime she did.
And mannn, that scene with Hyung letting GW go and held HS's hand crushed me real bad. Stop it with the sad, abandoned puppy eyes, Geon Woo!
Mayor and Jiwon keep on coming back like the Terminators, even after being rejected for countless times.
And gaaah GW and JJ... just why are you both not together yet? stop with the excessive running around, push and pull with these two, writers! Make them kiss (sweetly) and be together to face whatever problems that come their way. Sighhhh
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Gummaypdx
June 25, 2015 at 12:18 AM
You said it right on! That is why it doesn't bother me how GW acts. And JJ can see it in him yet is also playing it safe. Both already know they like each other but are scared to make next move ....
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30 kanz
June 24, 2015 at 10:28 PM
Feels the writernim forced stupid plot on us and not one drama does that, because another drama I watch on Wed-Thu also forced stupid plot and stupid characters on excessive amounts!!
Wook and Ji Won are just plot device to move the story. And for God's sake and my sanity, please just let Gun Woo and Jung Joo together! We just have 3 more episodes, no time for noble idiocy and petty fights!
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31 I
June 24, 2015 at 10:48 PM
The actress who plays Ji Won does too good the job of being Ji won. It's a pity that people hate Ji Won too much. Hate Ji Won but don't hate the poor thing palying her, please. She does her job a thorough one, just that.
P.S. Jung Joo is lovely, both the actress and the role, and her role is well written.
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32 Aigoooo
June 24, 2015 at 11:15 PM
A word of advice. Never watch this episode and Mask back to back. You'll be flipping tables for sure. lol
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coby
June 25, 2015 at 12:35 AM
thanks for the advice as I'm planning to do that this afternoon!
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Pearly Beads
June 25, 2015 at 2:30 AM
@aigoo: I have flipped tables and chairs already, read your post too late..really frustrating! Ugggg
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Adal
June 25, 2015 at 2:58 AM
Lol.
Only flipping tables????? I'm pulling my hair out!!!!
My poor hair! Gah!
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KDaddict?JCW
June 25, 2015 at 4:41 AM
Dear sweet Aigoooo,
Thank you for warning us. I went to Maplestage, where ppl are usually polite and reserved, and EVERY comment on the newest ep of Mask was complaining bitterly about Su Ae's char. So I kept my distance.
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windsun33
June 25, 2015 at 10:00 AM
Seeing similar comments on the DF site also. I have given up on this one totally, to the point of just skimming recaps. If Mask lets me down, I will join the table flipping party - it started out so good and then everyone just got stupid.
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kanz
June 25, 2015 at 6:32 AM
Dear Aigoooo, thank you for your advice, unfortunately I've watched both before read this. Not only I'd flip tables, I need to sue the writers for mental damage and lost faith to kdrama writers!
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windsun33
June 25, 2015 at 9:57 AM
Mask is having it's "midlife crisis" that all k-dramas seem to go through about halfway through, but at it's worst it is better than this mess.
And the ratings show it is not just us - this drama is barely hanging onto 15th'ish, while Mask is around #3-7.
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33 Munster
June 24, 2015 at 11:17 PM
My two currently watching dramas (if I could call ff'ing as watching) is W&C and OM. So imagine my frustrations..
Week after week I waited with bated breath for GW and JJ to get together and show me cute stuffs but I always come away disappointed. This show baffles me with the plot and I cannot understand why it is called Warm & Cozy? There's nothing warm and cozy about watching an aimless plot, a push pull OTP, lousy siblings and darn irritating 2nd leads. And, how many cameos of Wook's relatives do we need to see? It doesn't move the story one bit and it's not funny anymore!
I started this show for YYS and as much as I love seeing him onscreen, I'm so frustrated and bored that I'm now just getting by with recaps.
Thanks DB, for sticking with this one (and also with that other frustrating drama I'm following).
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Gummaypdx
June 25, 2015 at 12:12 AM
Second that!
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Pearly Beads
June 25, 2015 at 2:33 AM
I do, third that
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34 Myka
June 24, 2015 at 11:19 PM
DAFUQ IS WRONG WITH THIS DRAMA? ISN'T THIS SUPPOSED TO BE "WARM AND COZY"? WHY IS IT "STUPID AND FRUSTRATING"?
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fgb4877
June 24, 2015 at 11:41 PM
... *cough* Mad & Boring?. Is just as descriptive and keeps the sonority of the title ;) .
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35 hster
June 24, 2015 at 11:44 PM
How should Gunwoo feel when he finds out his mother was the true monster and his father took the blame? Will this push him into the arms of his true love?
At least his father is alive and they have a chance for redemption. But can he mend his relationship with Hyung? Will Haesil stay with Hyung in the aftermath? Squeezing in a wedding with the loose ends- routine for kdramaland.
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36 Gummaypdx
June 25, 2015 at 12:11 AM
I think both lead character are playing the roles well and love their chemistry. The only thing would really piss me off if they only show cute scene of them truly loving each other at the last episode! So much circles and not enough love time . Better be some hugging n kissing in the last two:p
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37 Rach ^^
June 25, 2015 at 12:24 AM
Freak this drama, its not making sense anymore. If not for YYS I would have thrown this drama away long ago. This is almost as bad as BIG.
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38 anna anna
June 25, 2015 at 2:21 AM
Aggg... the brooding phase. Really hate that. But i suppose its important for this to happen so that our heroes love become unshakable :)
What is happening to our lovely heroin, why is she leaning over to the major :( the ending was heartbreaking.
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39 whilethemusiclasts
June 25, 2015 at 2:34 AM
This drama is beyond frustrating... but still not as bad as that other Hong Sisters drama that isn't even worth mentioning by name.
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40 ML
June 25, 2015 at 2:44 AM
This is the first time I'm afraid of reading DB's drama recap for fear of gnashing my teeth and pulling out my hair in frustration! And reading the comments is not helping either. I stopped watching at ep 10 and have little desire to continue on. If a guy like GW exists in real life, I would have dumped him a long time ago even if he looks like YYS. I get that he has family issues but would you want to spend your whole life with someone so emotionally scarred, double speaks and plays mind games with you? You would go mental eventually. This drama should be called Cold and Dreary instead of Warm and Cozy.
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41 samsooki
June 25, 2015 at 4:13 AM
Just not enough plot for 16 eps.
The reason? No obstacles or growth in either if the main characters.
1. For LJJ, how about overcoming some childhood fear of drowning and becoming a real lady diver? How about fixing that house and having the house being an allegory on your life or something. How about finding out that your mom actually is not your mom but a robot sent from the future to prepare you for world rebel leadership when Naver teams up with Skynet to turn against mankind, and only LJJ's drunken angst can stop NaverSkynet.
2. For BGW, how about doing anything but moping for 6 episodes, with more moping episodes to go? What a waste of a polo character. Maybe your horse doesnt like you and so you have to make amends with your horse before you can move on to humans. Maybe your first love was a carrot which your horse ate and now you cannot cook with carrots or date women until you and your horse make amends. Also what a waste of a cooking character! Maybe you developed a secret recipe in your sleep but cannot remember and only LJJ knows because she listens to you as you talk in your sleep. But LJJ needs the money from winning the cooking competition so that she can buy enough soju to stop NaverSkynet....
ANYTHING. SOMETHING.
GIVE ME PLOT OR JUST END THIS.
love ya gf.
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Growingbeautifully
June 25, 2015 at 8:28 AM
@samsooki
LOLOLOL! I feel your pain!!! And I'm not even watching this anymore. :)
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Z
June 25, 2015 at 4:41 PM
I would watch ANY of those itwrayions over the hot mess we are sotting through?
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42 nami
June 25, 2015 at 4:18 AM
WAE?!? WAE?!? Why are you doing this to me drama? Please replace GW by a less appealing actor so I can drop you without looking back *I need to vent out my frustration cause I unfortunately can't drop this drama thanks to the awesomeness of YYS *crying in a corner*
Episode 14 better be THE turning point for our OTP or I swear I might go berserk *huhu*
KSR is amazing as well...talented cast, sizzling chemistry but all this has been wasted on noble idiocy, aggravating second leads (yeah I'm including the mayor here), fickleness, indecisiveness, denseness, trivial conflict and so on...*sigh*
Crossing fingers for tonight episode...I don't ask for too much, neh? I just want some PROGRESS. Stop the dragging already!
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43 Waiting
June 25, 2015 at 5:26 AM
I usually don't say this but it just needs to be said and heard...
No extension!! Please.and.thank.you.
What a drag this is, I agree with you all. Thankfully YYS is making us still care about GW because he is a good actor even when the story just spins and spins in place with no forward movement except for brotherly abandonment. The character of GW is so immature and although I understand why he feels this way, his ridiculous push-pull is utterly disrespectful to JJ. He is protecting his feeling but sacrificing hers each time. That is not cool on any level. Had I known this drama's main theme would be hurt the ones you love, I would not have started watching it. Gosh, even Wook lied which really just put a nail in any part of respectful love.
I'll watch to the end because why not at this point, but I am not expecting much in the way of writing. I am really watching to see how the talented actors deliver in spite of the crappy story and writing. Sorry to you all and fighting! I'll be looking for your next project.
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44 Myvilvil
June 25, 2015 at 6:13 AM
If not for the two leads YYS (especially him) and KSR I would have dropped this drama long episodes ago. Although it has some cute scenes, primarily because of the chemistry of the actors. My most favorite drama was My Girl which I watched a hundred times already but unfortunately the last episodes also didn't bank on the chemistry of LDW and LDH, there were less romantics scenes and even just one kissing scene, I think. Hope this would not be the case in WAC.
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45 pogo
June 25, 2015 at 8:05 AM
Seriously, Hong Sisters? Seriously?!
You have fantastic and talented leads with great chemistry, and this is the drama you sentence them to play out? You owe Yoo Yeon-seok and Kang Sora an apology now, because they deserve better than this.
You want viewers to be interested in your drama and maybe pick the ratings up a little, it's not really that hard - JUST PUT YOUR LEADS TOGETHER IN SCREEN ALREADY. No one wants to listen to even one more second of Ji-won's nasal whining of Gun-woo's name, and absolutely no one is here for some random girl group cameo. Just use the damn stars you cast and give them some skinship!
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pogo
June 25, 2015 at 8:07 AM
oops, I meant ON SCREEN.
The rest of the rant still stands. Yoo Yeon-seok and Kang Sora are so, so much better than the material they're given to work with, and probably the only reason why most of us are even still here.
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fantasy
June 25, 2015 at 8:28 AM
seriously I am hoping a decent rating for YYS' and KSR's sake. I really hope YYS wouldn't avoid dramas like KWB but after this treatment I cant really complain :( . I adore Kang So Ra so much, I pray for her to get a really good role in her next drama *fingers crossed*
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46 osmanthustea
June 25, 2015 at 9:54 AM
Ugh. Everyone except stupid Ji-won are acting their heart out, but the stupid plot is just letting them down. Here only to root for the actors. And to hope everyone gets a happy ending. (But I want Ji-won to marry a scammer and get fleeced.)
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47 yayabean
June 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM
I'm staying on-board this sinking ship because the characters are too cute and what the heck, it's almost over.
P.S.
It's too funny to read how many comments are in support of sending Ji Won to outer space. Add me to the list.
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48 MyDramaWorld.tv
June 25, 2015 at 4:38 PM
Watch Episode 14 With English Subtitles at http://www.mydramaworld.tv/serie/warm-and-cozy/season-1/warm-and-cozy-episode-14/
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49 jaemini
June 25, 2015 at 5:55 PM
This is so not warm and cozy anymore. I'm really tired of the same old kdrama loop of the main leads almost getting together before one of the antagonists intervenes and makes the lead misunderstand aaaand we're back to square one again.
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50 Gidget
June 25, 2015 at 6:21 PM
Antarctica? Too kind.
I say she gets sent on an all expenses paid parachute drop to a remote island. Along with every other annoying character drama land serves up. It'd be kind of, Lord of the Flies meets Island of Misfit Toys.
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