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Odds and Ends: Mutually assured destruction

javabeans: Happy Chuseok weekend, everyone! Technically the holiday isn’t until Monday, but I’m pretty sure everybody’s brains turned off on Friday afternoon anyway. Or maybe it was the mass exodus out of Seoul to everyone’s respective hometowns that killed the brainpower. I swear you’d think from the traffic that the world was ending or something.

girlfriday: I actually want to visit Seoul during Chuseok just to see the post-apocalyptic ghost town it becomes when everyone leaves. All I have to do in LA is avoid going to Koreatown and I’m relatively safe from being mauled on the way to pick up songpyeon (rice cakes).

javabeans: What, you don’t make your own? That’s the big Chuseok activity moms make you do, isn’t it?

girlfriday: Yeah maybe moms on farms make you do that, but mine would rather order them from the rice cake shop and watch movies instead. This is what you do on Chuseok: stuff your face with songpyeon and watch movies.

javabeans: I guess my family is less festive, since we just do the American Thanksgiving like proper immigrants—you know, turkey with kimchi and stuff. We usually bypass Chuseok, although maybe if I lived closer to home my mother might make a fancy dinner. *thinks about this* Orrrrr maybe not. Mom doesn’t love the cooking.

girlfriday: Does not compute.

javabeans: She thinks sohn-mat (“hand taste,” or cooking with your hands) is an offense, not a flavor. In Korea, Chuseok is one of the biggest movie-going holidays of the year, much like Thanksgiving or Christmas, so I expect to hear all about the box office records being broken after the weekend.

girlfriday: Though Roaring Currents pretty much made sure it would be the one movie breaking records this year. It’ll probably just make even MORE money this week.

javabeans: Yes, and everyone who doesn’t see that will either watch The Pirates (if they wanna have fun), or Dugeun Dugeun My Life (if they wanna cry). Any idea what movies you’re going to watch?

girlfriday: I will be voting for Kundo: Age of the Rampant, for obvious reasons (their names are Ha Jung-woo and Kang Dong-won), while my mom will likely want to see Crying Man or something, for Jang Dong-gun. Or she’ll want to watch Miss Granny again. The problem is that there are too many things to watch, really. The list just gets longer and longer every year.

javabeans: I don’t know why you’re watching so many movies when there are still dramas to be watched, missy!

girlfriday: Oh remember when we made a deal to make each other watch a drama from beginning to end? We never did that!

javabeans: For obvious reasons, but it was a good idea. We should still do that. You first.

girlfriday: Hey, this is a two-way street, buddy. You can’t keep me up at night if I don’t get to make you lose sleep too! Uhhhh… now here comes the hard part: What to pick? Do I make you watch something old that you missed like Propose? Something cute and rom-comy to your taste like Bottom of the 9th With 2 Outs? Something classic or something new?

javabeans: This is the dilemma, because knowing us, we probably only get one shot at this. So if I had the power to force you to watch ONE thing, only one thing, what would it be?

girlfriday: THIS IS SO MUCH PRESSURE.

javabeans: For instance, should it be my sentimental favorite, Delightful Girl Chun-hyang, so that you could understand what the hell I keep talking about? Or do I recommend something you otherwise would totally bypass, like the sweet, macabre Flowers For My Life that nobody watched?

girlfriday: OOH, ooh, you have to watch Biscuit Teacher Star Candy! That’s it! I mean, it’s not like you need to see it to like Gong Yoo or Gong Hyo-jin any more, but agh, so cute!

javabeans: But maybe I could pick the one I know you’re gonna dig because it’s genre-y and mindfucky, Joseon X-Files. And then there’s Who Are You (the one from 2008 with Go Ara and Yoon Kye-sang), because it’s so unexpectedly heartwarming and will make you cry for all the right reasons. TOO MANY CHOICES.

girlfriday: On the other hand, I could use this opportunity to make you watch White Christmas or The Chaser, because you might not reach for them voluntarily and I want to use my powers for good.

javabeans: Well, now you planted the idea in my head that I could use my powers for evil, and that just opens up a whole new world of possibilities. If I had to suffer through Dr. Jin and I Miss You

girlfriday: Just remember: I know that you haven’t seen Winter Sonata. Or To the Beautiful You.

javabeans: Oh god. Is this what they call mutually assured destruction?

girlfriday: Yes, it’s Dramaland Cold War.

javabeans: Or, I suppose we could go scorched earth. But I’d like this experiment to not fry both our brains. We do have normal dramas to watch and recap, after all.

girlfriday: Yes, ideally, we remain friends after this.

javabeans: Okay, fine. Good triumphs, I guess. But the question remains: Which drama?

girlfriday: Maybe you guys will have better ideas to help us narrow it down. We promise to watch, and we’ll have regular check-ins to make sure we’re not lying.

javabeans: Remember: Good, not evil!

 
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For javabeans, I vote for 9E2O. For girlfriday, I vote for Flowers for My Life. (Because I'm not evil ;)

Happy Chuseok, everyone!

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Thats exactly what I wanted to say. I watched both dramas after hearing from javabeans and girlfriday, loved both the dramas. So much heart in these!

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I'm surprised javabeans has not seen 9E2O.

For girlfriday, Who Are You?

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I think Javabeans has seen 9E2O; isn't an old favorite?

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My vote goes to The Chaser, because everyone should see the awesome combination of Son Hyun Joo, Kim Sang Joong and Park Geun Hyung in one drama!

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Second this! The Chaser was awesome and it was consistentry solid from start to end.

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The Chaser was indeed good.

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4th that.

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Is the series subbed completely? For some reason I can't find it on the usual sites... I'd love to check it out if anyone knows where (in the US) to find it

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Hi Aqf,

I remember that at the time the drama was airing, the subs were quite slow in being written. I also remember watching ep. 1, and being sucked into the drama right away. I agree with those who say that the three main male actors in this drama are really good.

You can watch the drama here:

1--http://www.gooddrama.net/korean-drama/chaser

I have checked to see if I could find The Chaser on other sites, and I was not successful. I hope this helps!

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Winter Sonata is bad? :o

My mind went across High School Love on. More as guilty pleasure, though.

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Winter Sonata, Autumn in My Heart, and Stairway to Heaven are the first 3 dramas I think of for the stereotypical kdrama tropes... :P but good dramas in a soapy way

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ooh, definitely White Christmas, I loved that so much! And its only 8 episodes, you could watch it start to finish in a day. Apart from that I'm not sure.
though if you want to go evil theres always doctor stranger....

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Yes, I absolutely agree...GF should make JB watch White Christmas... It will work well with your recapping schedule since its only 8 episodes..and you like thrillers...plus its got lots of pretty men...GF should watch DGCH (my sentimental fav as well

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+1 for White Christmas .

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*sides with javabeans on the Sassy Girl Chun-hyang rec*

There's no Song Jae Rim but otherwise, it's great.

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White Christmas is really good :)

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Clever way of sliding recommendations our way, girls! I think I'm going to try Flowers For My Life next because it sounds like something I would love, but am afraid to try it for that very reason? If that makes sense.

And Happy Chuseok to you too!

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flowers for my life is awesome - so funny, sweet too. more people should watch it.

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Do you know any sites that has FFML that doesn't install apps and has decent eng subs? I really want to watch this one.

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I remember watching it from gooddramadotnet. Use ads black app cuz it had lots of ads wen I watced it few years ago!
Enjoy

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I meant to say ads block app

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I really badly want to watch Roaring Currents now, and also Kundo for those same two reasons >_<.

I can't help noticing that tv highest ratings have been rather low for several months now (nothing breaking 15 percent after the end of YFAS/Empress Ki), but the movies are killing it - both critically and at the box office. Too bad we don't get to see them as easily.

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Maybe it's because so many dramas to watch, not only big 3, but also tv cable.
Then maybe because there's no crack drama. A national drama that everyone will follow and discuss. Even Empress Ki never reaches 30% nationally.
Or maybe everyone watches on their own devices, tablet, smartphone, etc so not helping TV ratings.
Just my observations.

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Quite sure Empress Ki was breaking in the 40 percent ratings by the time it ended....there is more competition now, but the cable channels were all there in 2013 as well. And by this time last year, the networks had at least a few hit dramas with high ratings. Not even one drama premiering in 2014 has been a hit for MBC/KBS/SBS.

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I want to watch those movies badly too. My order of preference is Kundo > Pirates > Roaring Currents

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and Sea Fog!

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oh yeah, Sea Fog too.

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I must have celebrated Chuseok early. Within 10 days i have watched Roaring Currents and KUNDO. Unusual for the 1 theatre in the DFW areaa to have 2 Korean movies showing simulteneously.

Enjoyed both. Waiting for Pirates.

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I saw Kundo and while the acting, cinematography and action scenes were AWESOME, the plot, editing and characters could've been developed a lot better.

I can't wait to see Pirates! I would like to see Roaring Currents (b/c of the director), but I'm usually not drawn to war films so I'm still on the fence about this one.

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For girlfriday I propose Delightful Girl Chun Hyang for rom com and I Miss You for melodrama. IMO, I Miss You is not that bad, it's just super melodrama.

For javabeans I propose White Christmas because it's really awesome.

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White Christmas is great. Seoul isn't as empty as I expected and I decided to go to Itaewon for the first time this afternoon and it is super crowded right now (as I walk to the subway station to go home)

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itaewon would be crowded haha

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I recommend the following:

1. White Christmas
2. Conspiracy in the Court
3. Jung Hak Yong (it's about crime solving by the titular character in the Joseon era)

Actually I haven't watched them at all, though been meaning to, so why the recommendation?

Because they's only 8 episodes each :D

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lol because they are 8 ep each. I watched all three, but did not like Jung YakYong too much (not exciting). BTW I dislike these recent trend that mini series became from having standard 16 eps to 18-24. Almost all of the shows would've been better if they were 16 eps in my opinion.

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Ahh #1 and #2 has been on my to-watch list for forever.

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Wishing everyone a Happy Chuseok!

Whether it be with dramas or movies, enjoy the holiday and have a wonderful time.

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Definitely Delightful Girl Choon Hyang :D

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I absolutely recommend flowers of my life! One of my all time dramas:))

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I mean all time fave dramas*

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All of the mentioned dramas are really good with the exception of Dr. Jin of course.
Here is my recommendation.
Jb: Winter Sonata
Gf: I miss you

Have fun!

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I second this!

JB - how is it possible you have not seen Winter Sonata???

As I started to what kdramas, WS was the drama always mentioned everywhere. I put it off but did watch it last year. It is not a favorite, but you have to watch it...a rite of passage.

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Haha. Just glad that out of the 4 destructive dramas i only saw Winter Sonata. Well it really wasn't so bad. Well if you can accept that was the kinda dramas they made then.

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Kang dong won's 2004 drama MAGIC is good. He is a villain in it but his acting is awesome! The complete drama is on YouTube. And of course all his movies :)

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Hmmm.. I would recommend Oh! My Lady. It's not much of a rom-com but it is heart-warming and the kid is adorable. For the classics, I would recommend Autumn in My Heart. This drama has so many good looking people in it.. Song Hye Kyo, Moon Geun Young, Won Bin, Song Seung Heon and Han CHae Young.

Still trying to chip away at the classics. I decided to watch 1 every 6 months. I still need to see Winter Sonata, Stairway to Heaven, What Happened in Bali and Sandglass.

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i tried watching What Happened in Bali to no avail..i felt depressed watching few episodes of it, and never able to finish it >_<

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Bride of the Century for either since I don't think either of y'all saw it. The description was crazy, but it actually had a well thought out mystery and fantasy element with a really cute romance.

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I second this recommendation! BOTC was a pleasant surprise, and way underrated.

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I'll place a third vote for BOTC. It continues to be one of my favorite dramas of the year. I have that and You from Another Star as my personal contenders for Drama of the Year.

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Baby Panda, hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

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Hello adult panda :)

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I think they avoided it on purpose because the website got inundated with so many BOTC recap requests that it got a bit annoying. lol Way too many good dramas this year and BOTC is definitely near the top of that long list.

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What....? Javabeans has NEVER SEEN "WINTER SONATA"? *jaw drops to the floor*
Ahem.... Apologies for the Capslocks XD But honestly, how is that possible??? My mind does not compute T.T "Winter Sonata" is, like, THE quintessential Korean drama of ALL. TIME. Regardless of people liking/loving it or not (I use to love it, not it borers the crap out of me), here I was, thinking that for 99.9999999999999% of K-drama fanatics, "Winter Sonata" would be the drama that we've all watched, sat through (albeit, with a but or even A TON, of chagrin and feels of extreme annoyance at one point), cried through, yelled at and threw things at the screen for when watching it haha XD

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Same here. I was shocked too. One of dramabeans founder haven't watched winter sonata.
Personally, it bored me to tears, everything was like in slow motion. Still it was like "a must see" drama for kdrama freaks.
For old dramas, one of my fave was Hotelier with Bae Yong Jun. Another one was All About Eve with Jang Dong Gun and Chae Rim. I recommended these two for anyone who haven't watched them (if you could find them online).

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All About Eve is one of my classic kdramas fav. Jang Dong-Gun and Chae Rim have an awesome chemistry. Totally nailed it!

Back to the story...I recommend 9E2O for JB. The drama has a nice premise of bestfriends turn lovers. Skip the baseball part and enjoy the rest. I have this soft spot for bestfriends love story. Heh. As for GF, you could give a chance for Sassy Girl Chunhyang. Hilarious plot although it gets a little angsty near the end of the drama.

Please skip Winter Sonata. Idk why I love that drama when I was 12yo (back in 2002). I even react some of the scenes with le bestie. *cries* It might be bcoz of the handsomeness *ahem* of BYJ. The plot is too slow. Don't watch it unless you enjoy the pretty snowy scenes.

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Oh yes, Hotelier and All About Eve! Those are classics!

Honestly, the plots written for these two dramas were one of a kind (compared to current dramas) due to the more balanced focus on career and love. Made sure that I bought the original dvds so that I could rewatch them again, and again.....and AGAIN.........haha! :)

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Yay! *high5* I bought the original vcd too. Back then I couldn't afford to buy dvd so vcd is more than enough for me. Lol. I agree with your statement with how both dramas balanced between two plots: works and love life.

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I tried and tried, I swear I looked for Hotelier and All About Eve in every Kdrama site there is, but they were nowhere fully subbed/available in my country! That was I think about 3/4 years ago.

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I vote White Christmas for JB since everyone always talks about it and she should see why, lol.

And then Who Are You (2008) for Girlfriday because JB likes to bring it up but I don't think ANYONE has watched it and she is alone in her like and needs a friend, lmao.

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I saw Who Are You? (2008) and hated the first episode, but tried it again after reading javabeans' recaps, and she's absolutely right: it is a wonderful surprise of a drama (and Yoon Kye-sang is so hilarious and endearing).

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My first Yoon Kye-sang drama! Loved him since then.

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I found Kundo's torrent file but it's too big and I'm a bit hesitate to download..Is it really worth it to watch? Tho I know HJW & KDW in it..

And I'm so wanna watch Pirate & Sea Fog so badly! Heard these two got great reviews from film critics..
Waiting the review of these two from DB..

For JB, u can try watching Biscuit Teacher..for me it's quite fun^^
For GF, I actually love IMY so much & want to recommend this to u but I think u won't like it..LOL!

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I watched Kundo but I was really disappointed. I have waited for it for so long but it was... meh. It had a story but the characters are so uninteresting that I could cry.

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TQ so much..Now I'm downloading "Flowers of My Life" instead..LOL!

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YOU'VE GOT TO WATCH Bottom of the 9th with 2 Outs!
And definitely Bride of the Century

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Omo this is such a great list! It should keep me occupied for a whole week lol

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This is so funny, I've seen almost all the dramas you guys mentioned on YOUR recommendations! I'm amazed you're only now forcing each other to watch these because you certainly bugged me enough to do it.
Hmmm, I'm gonna be like everyone else and say White Christmas for GF aaand.... Summer Scent for JB instead of Winter Sonata.

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Good but baaaad: Temptation of Wife

Baaaad but good: Super Rookie

Classy more than sassy: Delightful Girl Choon Hyang

Brassy more than classy: All In

Cant remember If it has amnesia: Save The Last Dance For Me

Tasty Old School Food Porn: Gourmet

Kim Myung Min as a gangster with a heart of gold: Bad Family

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Save the last dance for me has amnesia.Loved the OST though

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JB- I would say scandal in old Seoul. I know you tried watching it but the beginning episodes were too slapstick for you but you should push through. There's a LOT of heart in that drama. and bromance.

GF - hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i second JB's suggestion for Who are you.

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I Miss You is the worst drama I ever had the misfortune of finishing. That would be too cruel. It wasn't that it was sad. I just got tired of them crying. It felt like they were trying to force me to cry, unnaturally. So instead of being sad, it became comedic for all the wrong reasons.

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For Jb: I would've said White Christmas but then it would be unfair because your one is only 8 episodes haha So I recommend Biscuit Teacher Star Candy because it's a cute rom-com.

For GF: Who Are You? (2008) I mean I know it's initially a bit wierd to think about at first but later episodes are good.

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Bride of the century!!! Hands down BOC! It wasn't recaped or mentioned here which considering how Dramabeans is the equivalent of the Bible for KDramas was a bit of a surprise for me. Saying that it aired on TV Chosun, however Lee Hong-Ki has a popular fanbase and he actually does a good job as Choi Kang-joo! The story is not tipically predictable and it actually made me count the days to watch the next episode! It was very addictive!

So...Bride of the century! Why? Good script, fairly decent performances and compelling characters which are fun to watch and it keeps you coming back for more!

Whether you will take my advice or not, take 45 seconds and maybe those will motivate you to watch the drama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQtbap7xEWo

Have fun! :)

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JB hasn't watched winter sonata!!!???

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I've always bought my songpyeon from the grocery because that's always what my family's done since they've moved to the US -- and I don't feel bad about it. Maybe if I had loads of time I might actually try to make it from scratch, but store bought is A-ok. I'd much rather spend the holiday relaxing and catching up on dramas :)

My relatives are all for sohn-mat but my mom and I use gloves because I'm like JB's mom...don't find it sanitary, sorry -.-

I'd definitely recommend Flowers for my Life for GF...that was so criminally underrated!! My fave portrayal of Cha Tae-hyun, imo. I'd recommend White Christmas for JB, if not only for the storyline but the cast! Who would've thought they'd be well-known years later...
Btw, I continue to see Kim Sang-kyung as his WC persona in What's with my Family...lol ;P

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Ha, I guess I'm still stuck on Jang Hyuk. At first glance, I thought it was a screen-cap of Jang Hyuk & Lee Da-Hae from Iris 2. Nope, actually it's Lee Min-Ho & Park Min-Young from a scene in City Hunter. My, how time flies!

Javabeans: As others have suggested, I strongly recommend White Christmas. It's hard to pass up Kim Woo-Bin, Lee Soo-Hyuk, Sung Joon, Jung Suk-Won, Kwak Jung-Wook, and Hong Jong-Hyeon all in one drama. The high praise and continued word of mouth is fully justified.

Girlfriday: Previously, you alternated the recapping of I Miss You up until Episode 4 and you've mentioned that you are a fan of the cast (Park Yoo-Chun, Yoon Eun-Hye, & Yoo Seung-Ho). It's a 21 episode drama so that leaves you with just 17 episodes left to finish watching. I would really like to read a series review from you on this drama.

My second recommendation would be Bride of the Century. I think it would be a fun watch for both of you ladies. The way the writer dishes out the twists and turns (kdrama clichés/trophes) in BOTC is never boring.

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Bride of the century! MUST WATCH!!!

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Bride of the century!!! MUST WATCH!

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I agree! The best drama of the year!

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Does anyone knows why Dramabeans didn't review it?

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Good question! Why? Why? Why??????????

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My guess is that the synopsis was a tad bit crazy, but I have no idea:

http://www.dramabeans.com/2014/01/fantasy-romance-hundred-year-bride-lines-up-its-main-cast/

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AGREE! Why hasn't Dramabeans watched that yet? It seems like she's really enjoy it. Shame!

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Ummm, dunno. Maybe they haven't heard about it?! It was pretty popular, despite airing on cable....

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Or maybe they were too busy reviewing other dramas! :p

Either way, they should totally watch it!

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Wild Chives and Soy bean soup was good, I mean it started good and ended good but the middle was just passable. A nice drama though.

And The Kings daughter. That is a must watch! Yeah, I guess BOC. It was good, not as good as He who came from the stars but then..what drama has been as good as that this year?

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Wild Chives was awful! Don't watch that! BOF!

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Lol.. like literally on Wild Chives recommendation/not.. imho, only the teen portion is good, the adult story is just a big disappointment.

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9 End 2 Outs for Javabeans!

Delightful Girl Chun-hyang for GirlFriday!

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haha..JB has never watched Winter Sonata? Almost a decade ago I tried watching it through a local channel in my country since everyone seem so hype about it..I remember I sat for 5 minutes, 5 wondering minutes, and just couldn't find what was that 'addiction' people were suffering from this drama. so stop and never tried it again..but still, I took a photo with Bae Yong Jun wax statue in HK Madame Tussaud few years ago just for the hype, hehe..

anyway, I don't celebrate Chuseok, but I assume it should be a fun celebration, so of course the drama to pick during it should be the fun ones!

the list:

romcom:
9ends 2 out, sassy girl chun yang
(both are my all time favourites)

mystery:
Sign with Park Shin Yang (you both might haven't watched it, so i think it's really worth to try to force you to watch it,haha..)

melo:
Spring Waltz. it's actually my favourite among the season's quartet. i almost hate the female lead in the summer scent (too self-absorbed in my opinion..), and i don't feel liking the other two. It's the spring one that captured me..it's endearing.

anyway, hv a great holiday to everyone celebrating Chuseok.

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Yes, PLEASE WATCH BISCUIT TEACHER STAR CANDY Javabeans! You will love it. (The captions were needed, I'm sorry.)

And girlfriday, PLEASE WATCH JOSEON X-FILES! It is so good, seriously.

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Fabulous idea.
I have another...JB writes a script for a drama with her favorite actors and actress in mind....and GF critiques it.

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joseon x files vs white christmas

Reason: both of them only have 12 eps and 8 eps and has similar vibe. It is good starting for watching together before continuing it with melo/dramatic drama/longer episodes

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BISCUIT TEACHER STAR CANDY! no apologies for the caps, this needs to be heard.
Gong Yoo being young with a story and ending you can get behind will scrub all the bad memories of Big from your brains!

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즐거운 추석 되세요! Hope to see you gals again sometime before Christmas! :D

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As someone who has watched a lot of Kdramas based on your recommendations, I don't think you guys will go wrong with any choices as long as you're choosing for good.

Loved
-Bottom of the 9th With 2 Outs (great friends falling in love theme which no kdrama ever does, though the baseball theme was really weird and should really have just been dropped).
-Delightful Girl Chun-hyang (great modern adaptation of the folktale, though it gets a little too angsty for my tastes around episodes 11-14, but it's by far my favorite Hong Sisters' drama with great relationships and hilarious comedy)
-Flowers For My Life (the leading lady is one of favorite characters in all of Kdrama, and again it takes on subjects that normal Kdramas steer clear of, Cha Tae Hyun is also awesome in this).
-Who Are You (awesome drama mainly for the fantastic acting of Yoon Kye-sang. Go Ara does a good job also, but
Yoon Kye-sang steals the show playing such different characters.)

Started but never really got into:
-Biscuit Teacher Star Candy (I don't know what it was, but the opening scene kind of put me off.)
-Joseon X-Files (Interesting premise, but I dunno why I never finished it. Maybe too much like X-Files?)

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Flowers for my Life remains one of my top two or three dramas, so I recomend Flowers for my Life not only for girlfriday but for everyone that hasn't seen it.

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My mom made me watch Delightful Girl. I was very resistant. But in the end I was very glad. Aside from the weird angst period near the end it was a stay up late funny as hell show. And I'm an old dramahead. I never stay up late for anything anymore.

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Delightful girl was soooooooooooo good! Loved it! But for me Bride of the century! It's rare to find a drama airing nowadays that despite being on cable has drawn so much love and so many fans!

Recommend!

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I really recommend Flowers For My Life. I am one of the few that REALLY APPRECIATED that drama. It's sad how so many did not watch FFML.

It's different and so heart warming and heart wrenching at the same time. I hope you enjoy it.

Plus, I'm a HUGE fan of Cha Tae-hyun and I really like quirky Kang Hyejung, too.

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