It’s Okay, It’s Love: Episode 10
by HeadsNo2
This is one complicated couple, and not just because one of them sees imaginary people and invents entire lives for them. Hae-soo may be new to understanding relationships, but she isn’t new to understanding people—or so you’d think. Even with her fly-by-night ability to read the intentions of the man she doesn’t yet know if she loves, at least this hour makes some good headway as far as exploring Jae-yeol’s past goes. We get some answers, but mostly more questions, which at this stage of the game isn’t so bad. It’s enough to keep us intrigued, that’s for sure.
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EPISODE 10 RECAP
While Hae-soo is still in shock over Jae-yeol’s cavalier attitude toward moving back into his old place, she finds him heading out with a bag of clothes.
He explains that since the construction noise can’t be heard after dark, he’ll spend the night in his house. Hae-soo tentatively asks when he’ll be back, only to get a shrug from Jae-yeol in return—if his work goes well, it could be a few days. Then, just like that, he leaves.
Hae-soo calls him in a huff later to ask where he is, and whether he has anything to say to her. “Yeah, I do,” he replies. “Sleep well.” Click. Even if she is not happy about his behavior, she can’t help but miss him.
Two days pass without Hae-soo getting a call from Jae-yeol, which has left her pretty exasperated. Jae-yeol, on the other hand, is looking a little rough around the edges and unshaven, even though he can’t help but smile as he remembers kissing Hae-soo on the couch in his living room.
He debates on whether to call Hae-soo with his finger hovering over the button, but eventually decides against it. Hae-soo is left to wander forlornly in his room at her house, and finds a note he left with the code (the flight number from their Okinawa trip) to his locked bathroom, as a way of opening himself up fully to her.
“Now there is no such thing as my private space. You can come in whenever,” the note reads. “But… when are you ever going to tell me that you love me, Ji Hae-soo?” After reading it she lies in his bed/bathtub, lost in thought.
At the prison, Sunbae Jo administers the truth serum to Jae-bum, who’s a little miffed at the idea that even if he’s able to prove that he was telling the truth about Jae-yeol’s involvement, nothing from the session would be permissible in court.
But he still relents to the drug, shrugging that he wants to try it anyway because he doesn’t trust himself anymore to know whether the memories he has are real or not.
Jae-yeol has a talk with PD Choi about featuring Jae-bum on his program—and even though PD Choi claims it’s suspicious that Jae-bum keeps implicating him as the true culprit, Jae-yeol claims it’s more suspicious that the prosecution was able to put his brother away for eleven years without solid evidence.
“I beg you. Clear my brother’s name from this crime. If you can do that for me, you’ll have my respect,” Jae-yeol says. “Also… stop coming around Hae-soo.” Huh, well that’s maybe not the best way to go about asking for a favor.
PD Choi gets on his high horse about how he won’t leave Hae-soo’s side until he’s positive that Jae-yeol isn’t dangerous, and warns him not to get too close to Hae-soo. “What are you going to do if I’ve gotten very close to her?” Jae-yeol retorts, prompting PD Choi to grab his arm violently as he asks if they slept together.
When Jae-yeol tries to just shake him off peacefully, PD Choi punches him in the face. Then he throws another punch, even after Jae-yeol tells him that they should just stop right now, forcing Jae-yeol to fight back in order to defend himself. But he overestimates his strength when he sends PD Choi flying into a stack of crates, knocking him out cold.
Jae-bum takes Sunbae Jo on a journey through his truth-serum-induced memories to the soothing sounds of electrorock. His jealousy of Mama Ok-ja’s favoritism when it came to his little brother over him becomes clear, as does his disdain for the way Jae-yeol would get beaten by their stepfather.
He remembers trying to defend his brother against his stepfather that fateful night, by throwing the oil he’d bought for Mama Ok-ja on him and threatening to set him on fire. But somehow their stepfather got the upper hand, and started beating the daylights out of Jae-bum while Jae-yeol watched.
That’s when Jae-yeol grabbed the knife, and how their stepfather was stabbed. Jae-bum was the one to pull their stepfather off Jae-yeol (since he’d sort of “fallen” onto the knife and his little brother), leading to the bits of flashback we’ve seen where Jae-bum took the knife out.
In the present, Jae-bum cries, “Jae-yeol is the one who killed him. Jae-yeol killed him. Jae-yeol killed him. Jae-yeol killed him!!” Sunbae Jo’s eyes go wide in shock. Could it be that this is the real truth?
Hae-soo talks a suicidal patient down successfully, but is reminded of finding Jae-yeol slumped in the park bathroom corner when the patient also falls asleep in the hospital bathroom.
After So-nyeo catches Soo-kwang trying his best to help her father curb his trash hoarding habits, he tsks at a bruised PD Choi sitting in the cafe. Jae-yeol and PD Choi have reached a tentative truce/understanding, even though PD Choi won’t let the matter with Hae-soo rest as he asks, “Do you love Ji Hae-soo? You really aren’t just toying with her?”
Jae-yeol knows that PD Choi would get angry no matter his answer, and refuses to pass on Choi’s message to Hae-soo that while he doesn’t think he can forget her easily, he won’t be bothering her with his presence if she doesn’t like it.
But Jae-yeol does tell him not to rush, because Hae-soo isn’t a girl who could be forgotten so easily. Even after all the animosity, Jae-yeol still asks PD Choi to do well with his brother’s TV interview—and while making the promise to buy him a drink in payment sometime, he sees Kang-woo outside the cafe and gestures to him. PD Choi looks where he pointed and finds no one there.
PD Choi rushes out of the cafe when he gets a call that his team found the lawyer who handled Jae-bum’s case, passing by Jae-yeol and the imaginary Kang-woo engaged in conversation.
Kang-woo just wants Jae-yeol to tell him if his writing would pass or fail in his eyes (since he recently gave him a manuscript), only to erupt in elation when Jae-yeol tells him the truth: He’d pass.
Soo-kwang watches the “exchange” with interest, obviously because Jae-yeol is talking to no one in his eyes. Afterward, Tae-yong calls Jae-yeol to double check if he really needs his business card wallet back, because if so, it means Tae-yong has to go to the rural police station to get it.
When Jae-bum starts coming-to from the truth serum, he’s more like a child flooded with tentative relief—because now he can believe himself when he claims he didn’t kill his stepfather.
Sunbae Jo empathizes with him as he notes, “You must have felt so lonely all this time. Don’t be lonely anymore. I know how you feel, Jae-bum.” Jae-bum can’t help himself and breaks down into pitiful sobs. Sunbae Jo gives him some space to sort his feelings, but expresses his hope that they’ll meet again.
Jae-bum flashes back to how his mother found him holding the knife over their stepfather and immediately went to tend to the unconscious Jae-yeol. But just when you think all of this was based off Mama Ok-ja’s misconceptions about who did the deed, we find out it was Jae-bum who told her that Jae-yeol stabbed him… but that he’d take the fall with the police for his little brother.
He then explains that he thought he’d only be in prison for a few years, but when he was served with eleven, he decided to tell the truth: that Jae-yeol killed their stepfather. It was then that both Jae-yeol and Mama Ok-ja turned their backs on him and called him a liar. No wonder he feels so betrayed.
Jae-yeol calls Hae-soo for the first time in five days to tell her that his producer liked the talk show they did before and wants to invite her back as a guest. Hae-soo asks what he’ll do for her if she agrees to do this for him—will he decide not to move? “I can’t do that,” Jae-yeol replies.
“You, do you even love me?” Hae-soo challenges. Jae-yeol: “Like crazy. I wish you were here with me right now.” While his tone is romantic and wistful, Hae-soo isn’t having it.
Taking Hae-soo’s bluster as proof that she won’t do the show, Jae-yeol hangs up just like that, leaving Hae-soo to sigh about how much she misses him.
Hae-soo counsels the married couple with shared psychotic disorder after a week of keeping them separated, proving that the wife wouldn’t see the imaginary cockroaches unless she was with her husband. Her husband, even while separated, saw the hallucinations every night still.
To try and get to the bottom of the disorder, Hae-soo asks both of them what happened right before they started seeing these cockroaches—but they’re both reluctant to say, with the husband telling Hae-soo that she wouldn’t understand unless she was married.
Sunbae Jo enters Jae-yeol’s room when he isn’t there, happening across a published collection of Jae-yeol’s memories he wrote when he was fifteen. With Jae-bum’s confession fresh in his mind, he sits down to read it, focusing specifically on Jae-yeol’s use of the term “self-defense.”
Luckily, Sunbae Jo is able to cover for himself when Jae-yeol finds him reading in his room by acting like his usual eccentric self, though he does ask about the manuscript—how did he know about how self-defense worked at such a young age?
Jae-yeol claims he saw it in the news relating to a rape victim who wasn’t found guilty after taking revenge on her rapist, because it was considered an act of self-defense. He tells Sunbae Jo that it made him think the law was fair, at least until Jae-bum’s case changed that.
Hae-soo appears in the doorway and asks Sunbae Jo, “What do you think about Jang Jae-yeol moving out of here and leaving me behind?” Sunbae Jo hurriedly says he’d come to her defense, then gets the heck out of dodge.
Jae-yeol tries to be affectionate with Hae-soo like nothing’s wrong, even though the very reason she’s angry is the moving box staring them both in the face. When she mentions his unshaven face, he asks if she doesn’t find it sexy, to which she replies with that same, same, SAME old refrain: “Why, did your other women think it was sexy?”
Still, Jae-yeol hasn’t been able to get past his writer’s block, and just the thought of it has him flexing that hand that’s always spasming on him. Hae-soo gets upset that Jae-yeol has been having nightmares because he’s been sleeping in his office chair, and tsks that she can’t be in a relationship with him… before ordering him down to the kitchen so she can make him a proper meal.
Sunbae Jo discusses the Jae-yeol/Jae-bum case with Doctor Lee (leaving the names out for confidentiality), and how it was less of a murder and more of an accident, since their stepfather fell onto the knife the younger brother was holding. His hyung, though, still saw it as murder.
Doctor Lee guesses that their mother didn’t testify on the older brother’s behalf because she walked in on the scene when he was holding the bloody knife in his hand. But when she asks what Sunbae Jo thinks about why the little brother lied in court, he presents a few theories:
The first is that the little brother could’ve thought the accident was actually murder and framed his hyung to get out of it—but Sunbae Jo knows that isn’t true now that he’s read Jae-yeol’s memoirs, since even then, Jae-yeol knew the difference between an accident and a murder and how that’d be taken in court.
So that leaves him with the second theory, which is the one Jae-bum posits: That framing him was a premeditated act by Jae-yeol (I’m using their names to make it easier, but know that he isn’t) done in an effort to get rid of his abusive stepfather and abusive brother. But again, Sunbae Jo doesn’t believe this either.
The reason he doesn’t is because it wouldn’t make sense for Jae-yeol to want Jae-bum freed from prison if it was all a cover-up, since he’s seen firsthand how much Jae-yeol actually cares for Jae-bum. Which leaves the question of why Jae-yeol would’ve lied about his brother committing the murder in the first place.
While Doctor Lee is more concerned with the official crime committed, Sunbae Jo’s interests lie in caring for the two brothers’ pain and suffering. How can he treat Jae-bum, who’s been rotting in prison for fourteen years under false charges? How can he treat Jae-yeol, who may pretend to be optimistic on the outside, even though there’s no way he could’ve escaped being traumatized?
Doctor Lee is of the belief that even if Jae-yeol/the younger brother isn’t showing signs now, that kind of trauma is bound to surface sometime. Sunbae Jo at least seems confident that both brothers will have help and support, even if he’s less worried about the younger of the two, because he has a good person (Hae-soo) by his side.
Since she’d told Hae-soo as much last episode, Doctor Lee finally works up the courage to apologize to her ex-husband not only about bringing up their feelings the other day, but for using contraceptives against his wishes when they were still married.
Sunbae Jo treats the subject with the utmost understanding, and acknowledges that she wouldn’t have become the doctor she is today if she’d had a baby then. “I really do love you very much,” he says, before adding that if there’s one thing he’s learned through loving her, it’s that the sexiest kind of relationship is a true friendship between a man and a woman—and that he won’t ruin their friendship by giving into the physical desires he still has for her.
Jae-yeol can’t understand why Hae-soo is so upset with him about his move, but at least he’s not alone. Soo-kwang tells Hae-soo to ask herself if she really thought that Jae-yeol would live in their house forever—and besides, it’ll make it easier for them to have sexy times if they’re not having to worry about him or Sunbae Jo being around. Win/win, right?
That’s when Sunbae Jo cuts in to say that their house will be a place of total abstinence, and that he better not hear any suspicious sounds in the middle of the night. It doesn’t ease Hae-soo’s surly attitude, and Jae-yeol knows enough by now to tiptoe around her constantly-flaring temper.
But when Soo-kwang tries to make fun of him for being whipped, Jae-yeol throws a glass of water in his face to shut him up.
Hae-soo talks to Sunbae Jo about Jae-yeol’s deep-seated issues relating to his past and his current writer’s block, completely unaware that Sunbae Jo knows a lot more about him than she does. But, he agrees to take on Jae-yeol’s case for her, and right after gets a text from PD Choi asking him to meet with the lawyer who handled Jae-bum’s case.
At the rural police station, Tae-yong is unable to process the video of Jae-yeol fighting with thin air, but he refuses to let the officers think ill of his best friend even if he’s so scared by what he’s seen that he can’t help but cry.
He decides to trace down the location where the police found Jae-yeol’s wallet, and though they couldn’t find any evidence of Kang-woo, the camera that took the footage was stationed by a burned down house… which used to be Jae-yeol’s childhood home.
Tae-yong, very clearly afraid for his friend now, calls Jae-yeol to innocently ask him for Kang-woo’s high school name and phone number. Hae-soo backhugs Jae-yeol while he’s on the phone only to get flung away like a pest, leaving her more than a little bewildered.
As expected, the number Tae-yong dials for Kang-woo doesn’t exist. But it’s still sad to see his hope die with that call as the realization hits that something is very, very wrong with Jae-yeol.
Jae-yeol looks like a different version of himself when he finally addresses Hae-soo by asking if she misunderstood his profession of love to mean that she could treat him however she wanted—because if so, she needs to stop being so inconsiderate.
She interrupts him when he begins to say why he’s moving to ask if they are or aren’t dating. He’s upset that she’s confused about that even after they slept together, and points out how he’s extra considerate around her and her work when she doesn’t reciprocate. “The reason I’m moving—…”
“…Is because you can’t work here,” Hae-soo finishes for him. “It’s because of your work, isn’t it? I have a job of my own, did you think I wouldn’t understand?” Gee, I dunno. Did you just spend the last forty-five minutes acting like you understood?
She claims she would’ve pushed him to move out if he hadn’t brought it up, is how much she understands. He then asks her why she said he was the inconsiderate one, and she gets choked up when she says it’s because he makes her worry with how little he’s been taking care of himself lately. She cares too much, is why.
Jae-yeol’s anger fades with understanding as he sighs, “I missed you.” But Hae-soo’s not quite done, as she asks him why he treated the subject of moving so matter-of-factly. He replies that she’s always so cool about everything that he didn’t think she’d be all that shocked—but now that he knows, he’s glad. “It sounds like you love me.”
Hae-soo asks how he managed relationships with his previous women (*headdesk*) with work in the past, only for him to ask how she would even dare comparing herself with them when she’s on a completely different level.
So she works with him on setting a fixed weekly time for them to go on dates, with the condition that they’ll call ahead if they want an unscheduled date. Even though skinship is permitted, Hae-soo doesn’t let Jae-yeol kiss her, citing that she doesn’t like unplanned moves like that. Should the gentleman submit a request form a week prior, then?
Jae-yeol acknowledges how difficult and cruel she is with a resigned air, enough for her to acquiesce to granting him one wish. She’s actually disappointed when he doesn’t ask for a kiss, and instead asks her to appear on that talk show again with him.
“I love you,” Jae-yeol says. “I don’t yet,” she fires back. But she does finally admit that she’s been hard on him, especially when he admitted he loved her and lets her win most of their (many) arguments when she’s never returned the sentiment in words. So instead, she’ll return it with actions, and offers to turn off the lights—‘cause it’s business time.
While Tae-yong goes to the high school Jae-yeol claimed Kang-woo went to only to find that there’s no Kang-woo enrolled there, Jae-yeol pays a visit to Hae-soo’s mom and dad’s restaurant. Apparently, his visiting Mom is a regular occurrence now.
Hae-soo’s jealous brother-in-law puts Jae-yeol in the hot seat by mentioning marriage, which has Jae-yeol laughing nervously as he says that he and Hae-soo are more, uh, career-motivated right now.
Hae-soo’s unni, Yoon-soo, calls her to take her to task about sleeping with Jae-yeol and allowing him to get so close to their mother when she has no intention of marrying him. She claims that marriage is in their blood, it’s what they just do, and that she tolerates her husband’s alcoholism and poor financial decisions because she made a vow, damn it. And Hae-soo should too, or end things with Jae-yeol.
Both Hae-soo and Jae-yeol end up rushing to the station just in time to make their broadcast appearance, and Hae-soo gets denied for a quick elevator kiss when Jae-yeol turns her attention to the security camera because he only told the broadcasters that they met the last time they were on the show.
When Hae-soo asks why he didn’t just tell them they were dating, Jae-yeol replies in his usual devil-may-care way that he was simply too lazy. Hae-soo thinks back to her sister’s words of warning regarding Jae-yeol being a professional player, and makes him explain himself.
“‘She’s the woman I’m dating.’ Are those words bothersome to say? Or do you not want them to know because I’m a woman you’ll eventually break up with anyway?” She asks, her temper flaring.
He asks her for clarification, as if he can’t believe that she’d insinuate he was so insincere about her, and she doesn’t hesitate to give it to him: “If I’m not a woman you’re going to marry, then I’m a woman you’re going to break up with, aren’t I?”
Jae-yeol’s expression turns serious as he looks her straight in the eye. “What would I have to say? You’re right.”
COMMENTS
As much as I like Jae-yeol, I’ve been really looking forward to seeing his psychological issues come to the forefront if only because it’d add something new to the relationship dynamic that isn’t just a lather, rinse, repeat of Hae-soo being insecure and Jae-yeol either reassuring her, lecturing her, or using mind games to lead her to the right conclusion.
I’d really love it if this show didn’t make the act of liking Hae-soo more difficult by the hour, because watching her has turned tedious. It’s fine if she’s got a mountain of personal issues to overcome when it comes to her relationship with Jae-yeol, but lately it’s just boiled down to one issue lately (her debilitating sense of insecurity), and it keeps manifesting no matter the situation and despite what should be at least partially rational thoughts to the contrary. Never mind the fact that she has a degree in rational, levelheaded thinking.
But fine, let’s say we rolled with the idea that Hae-soo is incapable of self-therapy and that, at least when she’s with Jae-yeol, she can’t control her compulsion to mention his past with women or her inability to believe any word he says. She waffles between being an adult in a relationship to being a child engaged in a petty argument, and so far hasn’t found a grey area where she can just be. Heck, she even acknowledged that she’s unduly hard on him and that they bicker constantly—but that’s about it as far as development. I know relationships are a process, but why is it that this one feels especially processed?
I did enjoy all the developments that weren’t directly tied to their relationship though, like Tae-yong’s solo hunt for the truth, Sunbae Jo’s heart-to-heart with Doctor Lee, and Jae-bum’s journey back into his memories of that fateful night. The twist that he was the one who volunteered to take the blame for his brother was unexpected, and all the more tragic because of what Jae-yeol eventually did to him… if Jae-bum’s version of events is to be believed wholeheartedly. And I’m honestly inclined to trust anyone as a narrator in this show, even under the influence of truth-telling drugs.
It’s the questions posed during Sunbae Jo’s talk with Doctor Lee that keep me intrigued, because it’s honestly hard to form a theory with what piecemeal information we’ve been given. If the trauma of implicating his own brother for his crime is what caused Jae-yeol to disconnect from his past, then the question that remains is one of intent. Is Jae-yeol an honest and righteous person, or a cold-hearted schemer who’d frame his own brother to save his skin? There’s got to be more to it than that, and I can’t wait to find out what. Bring on the truth serum! Lord knows more dramas could use it.
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1 OppaOppa
August 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM
Thanks for the great Re-Cap!
Another great episode of Okay.
I am really enjoying the quirkyness of this drama and the great chemistry of the top notch cast.
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Awe
August 26, 2014 at 2:27 PM
Things are gonna get dark...very dark...very fast for this drama.
JaeYeol's nightmare of his brother stomach-stabbing him is a sign of the dam beginning to break.
Thus far, HyeSoo has not seen how incredibly disturbed her boyfriend truly is. It's kewl she accepts he sleeps in the bathroom and that he's a player but she aint seen nothing.
Ogre's are like onions, baby, and JaeYeol is just now starting to peel. Ooh baby...show is gonna drop a crap ton of drama on all of us next week.
HyeSoo better start defense training classes soon!
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2 Hugepuffball
August 23, 2014 at 8:19 PM
I'm still checking for these recaps nonstop and watching the show the very day it gets subbed (which is rare since I can almost NEVER stick with a currently airing drama), but I'm not getting giddy with feels anymore! Sad face.
I thought Hae Soo would be less frustrating soon after the Okinawa episodes. Instead… I think she got even MORE difficult.
FOOL YOU'VE GOT A GORGEOUS MAN WHO LOVES YOU DEARLY AND YOU INSIST ON PICKING A FIGHT AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY?! Judgment face.
On another note, I really can't wait until Jae Yeol finds out about his own illness. I'm just crossing my fingers reeeeeal hard that the show will be able to execute it to its angsty heart-breakery potential!
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Hugepuffball
August 23, 2014 at 8:43 PM
Reading over my comment it sounds super rageful… But I still quite like the show or obviously I wouldn't still be watching it… One moment it's giving me cutesy tingles on his bed and the next I want to know why she's bringing up breakups cuz for goodness sakes it's not even like you wanted to marry him
THE EMOTIONAL WHIPLASH.
(why do I have so much to say…)
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 2:46 AM
I think your rage is understandable and not misplaced. I, too, am feeling heavily frustrated now, but then again, I also think that it's generally an important factor in dealing with mental illness -- exactly this frustration. Because these issues don't simply go away and because they can bring out the worst in people.
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Waves
August 24, 2014 at 5:14 PM
Like Jae Yeol said that it's difficult to be with Hae Soo, it's also difficult for the viewers to watch her be insecure all the time. Even after making progress with her intimacy issue, she still lacks confidence in her relationship.
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3 jomo143
August 23, 2014 at 8:21 PM
Thanks for the recap!
As far as JY's memory of the stabbing, it seems he may have been unaware that the stepfather fell onto the knife and died as a result.
The blunt force of the wall on his head immediately after may have blocked or wiped out the memories surrounding the moment. He woke up to see his hyung holding the knife and assumed the worst.
Mom may have conspired to keep little bro out of jail by telling him to lie, too.
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owl
August 23, 2014 at 10:45 PM
While Sunbae Jo was reviewing the case with Dr Lee she said, "There must be something we don't know" and he agreed. What you've said makes sense as the missing piece, but sadly, JB thinks JY and their mother conspired to lie, but as you pointed out, she may have told JY it was the truth since he was unconscious at the time. And JB's lawyer - who we will get to meet soon - did he not argue for self-defense rather than murder no matter who wielded the knife especially in light of JY's injuries? Why wasn't that painfully apparent to the judge/jury?
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krstjb
August 24, 2014 at 5:30 AM
I think he was protecting his mom. Remember the one flashback with her lighting a piece of paper. The childhood home is a burned out ruin. There is more to mom's story in this little triangle.
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4 KDaddict
August 23, 2014 at 8:35 PM
When most of us are starting a new relationship, we want it to succeed. Why do I get the feeling that HS is trying to sabotage hers instead?
Any adult who has a serious or intellectual job know that you have to respect your lover's 'work time', in order not to break their focus; that's esp. true for a writer. She needs to be told that?
Why is she asking if he loves her every two minutes? Is she that insecure? And to top it up with, 'But I don't love u yet", is just so strange.
And then in private, her always saying, "He's JUST my style", is also a bit off-putting.
For a psychiatrist, HS is not very self-aware, unless she is doing all that on purpose, to test JY, to see if he'd go away.
GHJ is my fav K actress. HS is not my fav char tho.
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Nessie
August 23, 2014 at 9:52 PM
Yess to everything you've said, and totally agree on the last comment!
I wish HS would just relax and chill a bit more.
Though you gotta admit, GHJ is doing really well in her role. Character may not be likable, but damn is GHJ hitting the right note in getting us pissed off at her haha
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juvy
August 24, 2014 at 11:57 AM
Her way enough to frustrate viewers, and so GHJ is too effective for her role haha love her so much!
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anya
August 23, 2014 at 10:20 PM
agree with your assessment and sentiment. HS is actually not a very well formed (consistent) character. funny thing is HS is totally affecting my usual ability to love GHJ. just the other day i saw model pics of her in casual jackets and i had to click away. it reminded me way tooo much of HS, whom I don't like. so made the decision to stay away from this drama before my appreciation for GHJ dies with a whimper.
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Yo
August 23, 2014 at 10:45 PM
I guess it's best to steer away then. I'm the opposite. My love for GhJ is forcing me to want to tolerate and understand Hae Soo. She can be irritating at times but it's not so hard to come around to her way of thinking. If another actress had played her...no no no no no.
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Yo
August 23, 2014 at 10:50 PM
Also, it seems like many of Noh Hee Kyung's female leads are bratty, hot-tempered, 'a little mean' women. I guess she just likes writing her female characters that way. Maybe, she herself, is like that.honesly, i'm a little like that too. :|
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 2:36 AM
Your last sentence made me smile. I, too, am a little like that. :)
thursdaynexxt
August 24, 2014 at 5:55 AM
Yes, even when I find myself getting frustrated, I cannot imagine any other actress tackling this role. GHJ all the way for me!
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Juvy
August 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM
In contrary with others I find HS's character as cute haha and I'm even loving her more. Yes as a psychiatrist she's less aware but I believe for the nxt episodes I'll be able to understand her so I'll just wait. :)) I still so so love GHJ :) She's too effective for her role.
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juvy
August 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM
I just got to know she's been too annoying by reading the comments haha cos I am enjoying her character enough to put sweet fights.
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 3:23 AM
I agree, her behavior is not at all consistent. But why would it be when the point is showcasing how anxiety works in the first place? Anxiety, as an disorder, is rarely rational, otherwise it wouldn't interfere so much with how patients live and experience their life.
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Nafiza
August 24, 2014 at 2:54 PM
It's really strange because I usually really like GHJ in all her manifestations. Then we come across this one and I'm all...whyyy? Though to be honest, I'd be pissed off too at JY's cavalier way of dealing with stuff. And HS's reiteration of "He's SO my style" IS off putting. Thank God I'm not the only one who noticed that. I really do think the writer of the drama gave all the awesomeness to the male lead and has very little left for the female. Though you'd think if the male lead was so awesome, he'd fall for someone just as awesome as he is. Sigh.
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KDaddict
August 24, 2014 at 5:34 PM
To be fair, HS as a char is awesome in some ways too, esp. fr JY's perspective, which is where it matters the most within the confines of the drama. He can talk to her about everything; she doesn't freak out when she finds out he sleeps in a public toilet! or his mother sleeping in the living room w an open window; she helps him breathe to calm him down when he gets his nightmares... And I think that he knows subconsciously that she'll be there for him when sth happens to KW, like when he dies. So for JY, there can be no other girl but her. I like that about the OTP becos viewers can see WHY they Are the OTP, in contrast to so many shows where we've no clue why the guy loves her and only her.
This drama showcases anxieties and irrationalities. None of them are what we'd call fully self-actualised human beings, but then who among us is? The pt is they cope the best they can, and they learn some things about themselves and the mistakes they make along the way. That is fine and well.
I agree that if it were not for GHJ, I'd probably be irritated as hell by HS, but since it is her face that is on HS, it is her acting/style that is presenting HS, I only find HS's behaviour off-putting at times. The other times, I stare at GHJ's face and marvel, 'How can she look increasingly pretty, cute and awesome over the course of a decade?' Biscuit Teacher Candy Star was from 2005, if I remember correctly.
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Hugepuffball
August 26, 2014 at 12:19 PM
Oh yeah! I guess in this episode I kind of forgot why I originally loved this couple. She totally gets him without judgment and doesn't run away, even when she's hurting for him. Like, she didn't ask about the bathroom even though she was concerned because she was worried about making him uncomfortable, and when she just held him after he got beat up. Ah… those were pretty awesome
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alua
August 25, 2014 at 10:15 AM
I disagree with you that the writer gave all the awesomeness to JY and that he's all cavalier and HS is only annoying. They both have good qualities and great weaknesses (including in how they treat each other).
JY isn't always a cavalier.
He originally forced a kiss on her (twice). Dramas always turn this into a romantic thing, but it isn't. Sure, they ended up in a relationship so we can sort of dismiss it, but imagine if you are kissed by someone you have known briefly. It's icky at best and incredibly invading-personal-space at worst.
He's thrown wine on her and returned any kind of tease she has done, which isn't exactly cavalier behaviour (not saying this is wrong, since they were getting back at each other, just saying that doesn't fit the definition of 'cavalier').
Contacting her mom (essentially a stranger to him) behind her back and sending her photos despite knowing about their bad relationship isn't a nice move either but crosses boundaries – even if he means well and even if she eventually let go of it.
Exploding at her (ep 9, "I can't write in this mood") isn't cavalier.
Five days of no-contact (which could have been more, since he just said "I'll be back when I feel like it") without at all asking how she felt about that and just walking out is not cavalier. This is not something you do in a relationship.
His reaction to her back hug – forcefully flinging her away – was absolutely not cavalier, especially because it came out of nowhere.
Abruptly hanging up on phone calls after saying one word isn't cavalier – a brief explanation would have sufficed since HS actually will give him space when he asks for it (she never tried calling him in the 5 days).
Wanting to purposefully pretend that she isn't his girlfriend (which is different from not announcing it) isn't cavalier.
Mind you, I'm not blaming him for his behaviour (nor do I like him any less for it), but I think you are looking at JY in rose-tinted glasses and not noticing any of the more questionable stuff he does. Both JY and HS are flawed.
By the way, JY also said "She's so my style" and if I'm not wrong, he said it first.
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DeeCee
August 25, 2014 at 4:23 PM
Oh my gosh, alua, you gathered all of my random thoughts and put them together in a wonderfully worded comment. I don't think that either of them shined brightly in this episode in terms of dating behavior. But while she just came across as whiny and a tiny bit clingy, he came across as a jerk.
He complained that she was taking his declaration of love to treat him any way she wanted, when in fact, his almost constant rejection of her in this episode was even ruder. Nobody should be expected to read their partner's mind, especially at this early stage of their relationship, but he gets annoyed when she doesn't act the way he wants her to.
On the other hand, what he said is probably what a lot of lovers think and WISH they could say out loud, but they don't because they don't want to hurt their partner's feelings. Neither he nor Hae-soo seem to have a filter between their brain and their mouth most of the time!
Anyway, you summed up what I was thinking!
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emonintendo
May 10, 2015 at 4:14 AM
I totally agree with this comment. I screamed "Exactly!" after reading every paragraph because it perfectly mirrored what I was thinking.
People have completely forgotten one of the important messages of this drama which is to see the situation from the perspective of the different persons involved (e.g. HS's dispute with her mom, the clash between JY and his brother's memory of the murder). Over and over again it reminds us that we should never take into consideration just a single point of view but that we should take it as a whole.
I think that while JY was justified in his own way when he decided to focus on work, HS was likewise justified getting mad considering that a guy she was dating hadn't been in contact with her for DAYS despite the fact they were supposedly at the honey moon segment of their relationship. Add the fact that he unnecessarily hid his relationship with her (too lazy to explain IS NOT a good reason to hide one's relationship status FYI).
He constantly tells her he loves her but he hasn't been helpful with her insecurity either. Almost immediately after dating, he moves out and disappears without a word. When he does contact her, it was only so he can ask a favor from her (user much?). No matter how secure a person is, those actions definitely will leave anyone wondering. If HS were be completely unbothered by HS's actions, it only means one of two things: she's either omnipotent (she knows EXACTLY what he's thinking) or she's naively trusting. I don't think either applies.
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5 panshel
August 23, 2014 at 8:36 PM
Finally someone knows. Tae Yong has suddenly become a more important character. Even though I hated how there were no consequences of him betraying Jae Yeol with Pul Ip, I was touched by how he broke down in front of the police station. I predict Tae Yong will ask Jae Yeol to schedule a face-to-face meeting with Kang Woo next or dial Kang Woo's number on speaker phone in front of Jae Yeol.
So it was all an accident with Hyung trying to take the blame. And that night was so traumatic that Jae Yeol repressed the memory of him holding the knife. Unless, he got temporary amnesia from hitting his head on the dresser.
Hae Soo was seriously annoying this episode. Clingy one minute and then "let's break up" the next minute. I was annoyed when she asked him, "Do you even love me?" Well, you are the one who keeps reiterating you don't love him yet. Why is he expected to give in to your every whim? Especially when it is relatively easier to have a relationship where you live apart. Less fights, more time to miss each other. The housemates were right when they said she never loved Choi Ho. I know we did not see much of her and Choi Ho's relationship, but she never once acted this way around Choi Ho. What is wrong with him not announcing to his co-workers, whom she may never see again, that she is his girlfriend? He is just trying to keep work and personal life separate. She deserved that dig at the end.
Thanks for the recap, HeadsNo2!
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alua
August 23, 2014 at 11:40 PM
<What is wrong with him not announcing to his co-workers, whom she may never see again, that she is his girlfriend? He is just trying to keep work and personal life separate.
He doesn't need to announce the relationship, but he also doesn't need to pretend it doesn't exist – esp. because she is likely to see them again (this is the second time and if she remains his girlfriend she'll see them again). If you act like you've only met someone once before when that person is actually your partner, I find that seriously problematic. An insecure person like HS who just had her boyfriend not contact her for five days (not spending time together is one thing, zero contact is another) and who is just out of a relationship in which someone cheated on her... honestly, my brain/heart would go in overdrive as well.
HS is obviously insecure and likely reading too much into things, but JY's behaviour wasn't okay either.
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fab
August 24, 2014 at 5:37 AM
Keeping work and personal life separate? I think that means you don't date your co-workers, NOT keep your relationship a secret! They work with him of course HS will see them again eventually.
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Anon
August 24, 2014 at 6:19 AM
Is it or me is Hae Soo very manipulative? Maybe it's her anxiety wrapped around insecurity or something but she can really guilt-shame someone even though she's at fault too.
Jae Yeol is no better but I feel Hae Soo deliberately pushes the blame to someone else because she can't/won't accept her faults.
Maybe her hatred towards her mother has subsided but has she ACCEPTED that? Hmm.. I don't know.
Just like with Choi Ho. I don't know if she knows it or not, but she's very good in controlling people.
And the dialogue in this drama is just awful. "He's exactly my style." "Did you do this with your other woman?"
God!
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 6:56 AM
I don't see her as manipulative, to be honest, more as someone who is deeply afraid and overwhelmed by this whole experience. After all, this is probably her first *real* relationship with actual emotions attached. We also shouldn't forget that she isn't dealing with exactly Prince Charming himself here, so that's another obstacle.
Actually, I find her very real in some aspects, especially the uglier ones, and it is exactly why I find her so thrilling to watch in the first place.
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juvy
August 24, 2014 at 11:49 AM
Jae Yeol not announcing relationship with Hae Soo is so upsetting and she over reacted. They haven't justified their actions yet so it's even why give all the blame to HS.
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yo
August 25, 2014 at 3:18 PM
Jae Yeol is probably everyone's favorite person on the show so we are all more forgiving of his actions. We should consider that, before Hae Soo, he was widely known to be a player and womanizer of sorts, flitting from relationship to relationship. He even flirted with and told Hae Soo he had feelings for her before officially ending things with Pool Ip, the plagiarist and ex-girlfriend.
Sure, he has his own reasons as to why he would want to hide his relationship. This of course has not yet been divulged. But from the outside looking in, hiding his relationship status looks like he wants everyone to think he's single and available. With his womanizer background, this is something that would offend me too if I were dating him.
I don't blame Hae Soo for being insecure. Who wouldn't have reservations giving their heart to someone who can easily move on to someone else? Jae Yeol definitely loves her but once his feelings for her cools, who knows how he might treat her later on.
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6 Min
August 23, 2014 at 8:55 PM
One major issue I have with this is that they're using sodium amytal and labeling it a "truth serum" but it's nothing like that at all!
Sodium amytal is a barbiturate and what it does is lower people's inhibitions so they might start talking about things they wouldn't talk about before. The leap in logic here is that what the people using sodium amytal would clear a fuzzy memory or that what they start talking about is always the truth.
In fact sodium amytal may in fact increase the risk of confusing memory and creating false memories if the one doing the questioning doesn't watch their wording or words it to purposely plant an idea in the patient's mind.
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drmjs
August 23, 2014 at 9:36 PM
You are right. But this is dramaland and you know what that means. :)
Uhm...I agree about sending the wrong message regarding amobarbital and how they're glorifying it's off label use in the drama. But this is fiction and the writer is probably old?
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alua
August 23, 2014 at 11:44 PM
I had the impression that they were indicating that sodium amytal isn't reliable. Sunbae Jo's explanation that it is not allowed in court but only for treating patients suggested as much – I think this could say that he well knows that anything said while under the effect of SA isn't necessarily the truth (although he didn't say that explicitly).
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ccut
August 24, 2014 at 12:45 AM
To be on the safe side, they should ADD on their disclaimer at the start of each episode that "treatment" of the patients are fictional as well.
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fab
August 24, 2014 at 4:54 AM
They do add a warning at the beginning of every episode. ''(...)the patients cases and unique diagnosis are all fictional''
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ccut
August 24, 2014 at 5:39 PM
Oh, I'm aware of that disclaimer. In fact, I had to make sure it stated "patient cases and unique diagnosis" before I suggested they added "treatment" because I think those are different things. Or am I wrong? hahah... *coughs* ah, well...
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7 Nessie
August 23, 2014 at 9:16 PM
I feel like with Hae Soo it might be her insecurity mixed with the anxiety that makes her lash out at Jae Yeol? It's like she demands he show her attention, but only when she permits it, or asks for it. Her defensive shield (when she lashes out) that she just puts up without even realising, is nearly as strong as the Great Wall of China. I wish it was just a sandcastle wall if anything for her boyfriend.
Jae Yeol seems to be very patient with her right now. Though their personalities in a way kinda match, I mean imagine if he had her anger streak. God knows how many mega fights they would have. I find it cute how he goes to Mum's shop and has lunch regularly.
Sigh, I wish there was more sexy time. I have a feeling more angst is gonna come up. *Cries*
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Yok
August 23, 2014 at 10:57 PM
I feel you. Couldn't they show a little making out on the bed? Didn't JIS say he wanted to reveal himself in the drama?? Did he not mean his body?
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alua
August 23, 2014 at 11:26 PM
I think he revealed himself aplenty before.
I suggest you watch A Frozen Flower.
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ccut
August 24, 2014 at 12:58 AM
Sorry but I had to comment on this one because it made me laugh (in a good way) because I know what you mean, having seen him in Frozen Flower :D
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 3:27 AM
Somehow I feel like I should thank you for this suggestion. :)
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alua
August 24, 2014 at 4:06 AM
My pleasure.
Let me add, it's not a film for prudes or conservatives and don't watch it with your parents! It doesn't have an R rating for nothing.
Yo
August 24, 2014 at 9:45 AM
That was actually the first Insung thing I watched. I didn't even know it was him back then. But still, can we have just a tiny bit of that in this drama? :D
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8 TIFFANY
August 23, 2014 at 9:18 PM
haha reading how people finding hae soo so irritating, but she has lived with seeing her mother cheat on her father for 20 years, so it's not going to take a week for her to get over that trauma.
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9 drmjs
August 23, 2014 at 9:23 PM
Thanks for the recap HeadsNo2.
This is JB's episode. His Amytal confession brought a lot of things into perspective. How he was really innocent, how he took the fall expecting to get only a couple of years, how JY accused him and his mom seemingly concurring, his jealousy and his rage at the injustice of it all. I felt sorry for him and I'm sad at how he evolved.
For Sunbae Jo, JB's confession brought out a deluge of questions...primarily what motivated JY and his mom to accuse JB. I'm sure, when he found out JY was already knowledgeable about the workings of the criminal mind at a very young age, it made him wonder: "where mother and son in on it?" Did they actually plan to send JB away so that they could live in peace? Was that the secret? But mostly he knew it was no longer only JB he was dealing with but JY, their mom and their combined psychological scars. His talk with Dr. Lee was enlightening and it brought to focus what he was up against.
As far as HS is concerned, she's just being the dutiful and loving girlfriend. She's actually on unchartered territory (yeah, even if she did have one with PD Choi, HS is used to control...you can say she's the controlling type), trying to pick up on relationship cues but totally failing at it. That's probably why she always falls back on what she does best - argue. So she does come off as nit picky and whiny, but that's her way of coping with the breakneck speed their relationship has developed. Clearly, she's unaware of the fact that JY was slowly unraveling.
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10 Catherine
August 23, 2014 at 9:30 PM
Maaan, my eyes completely filled up in the scene where Jae Beom recalls his past and how he felt excluded by her mom loving Jae Yeol more!
Loved this episode as much as the others.
I still like Hae Soo a lot. I feel that she is falling in love for the first time in her life, and without realizing it, is desperate for it. It comes out wrong, ex getting mad at Jae Yeol for not taking care of his health, because she is not comfortable with it yet. The cool&cold part of her still remains within her.
I really enjoy that the side characters are (apparently) going to play a role in the story as Tae Yong and Jo Sunbae are getting patches of Jae Yeol's story/state.
Can't wait for next week!
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11 Yo
August 23, 2014 at 9:32 PM
gHJ's character is not so likable this time around. The actress did say that she wanted to shed her lovable/gongvely image. I guess her efforts are working? Honestly, I want gongvely back!!! :(
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 2:25 AM
I like this character a lot, to be honest, despite she's frustrating the hell out of me right now. But that, in turn, also makes me like her even more. While I can appreciate several of the more wholesome characters Gong Hyo-jin has played, I'm very happy she's decided to prove versatile here.
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Yo
August 24, 2014 at 11:24 AM
She's less likable but I like HS overall. I'm also glad she chose to exercise her versatility but I still can't help but miss her being more cute and comical.
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12 Vivian
August 23, 2014 at 10:02 PM
totally unrelated to ep 10 but I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR THIS SONG SINCE I HEARD IT IN EP 7 BUT THEY JUST DIDNT RELEASE IT YET WOW OK YAY
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13 Marge
August 23, 2014 at 10:24 PM
Hae Soo reminds me of my self sometimes, she's one hell of an insecure gal but she had a traumatic experience with her mom when she was young. It takes a lot of time to get over her trust issues, if I were dating a good-looking guy like Jae Yeol I'd always wonder and ask why HE chose me and question about his previous relationships. She may be that insecure.
I admire Jae Yeol's patience, it comes with loving a perfectly flawed woman like Hae Soo. I believe he knows that she loves him too but like any other guy, maybe he also wants to hear it come from Hae Soo herself perhaps that would be signify that she's in the process of overcoming her struggles.
My heart goes out to his Hyung, I really feel like he's like a child who longs to be loved equally by their parents. It shows the effect of favoritism amongst children I'd say. There's a lot of anger and bitterness built overtime.
But I'd say that ones who can see past his crooked self is only his Omma and Dong-saeng.
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Moonbean
August 24, 2014 at 1:16 AM
One thing that I find it interesting about this show is how it explores multiple perspectives. In many a drama we see obvious favoritism and disastrous consequences but here I'm not so sure.
It may only be Jae-bum's perception that their mother favored the younger son. Younger kids need their parents more so more attention is given to them which the older ones sometimes interpret as favoritism. Jae-yeol and Jae-bum have very different temperaments now as well as in the past. While Jae-bum was shown wistfully watching his mom and brother playing around I suspect his exclusion originated in his own surly behavior. Omma must have been protective towards his younger son he is beaten both by her husband and his brother. He is shown to eat his brother's food, we know that he has a violent past. So it is understandable that not having seen it with her own eyes omma doesn't believe him when he says it's Jae-yeol who killed their stepfather. We already know Jae-bum is jealous of his brother. Thinking this way might have colored his judgment of their mum's behavior making him selectively remember negative things about their mother (she had a very hard life then and exploded at him and regrets it today) But omma as we see her today loves both her sons and want them happy. So I wouldn't be so sure yet that Jae-bum's perspective is the reality.
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jozie
August 24, 2014 at 10:41 AM
Actually, while severe mental illness often doesn't manifest until adulthood, it sometimes shows early. What is JY does not remember stabbing his father and what if his mom already knew he wasn't exactly the most mentally stable at that age. Would that be a reason she would throw the older son under the bus?
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Adal
August 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM
But did Omma deliberately throw her son under the bus?
Remember JY was the one holding the knife. He however, did not make a move to stab his stepdad or go closer to him. JB threw his stepdad onto the knife accidentally, knocking out JY in the process. Which means he is even more culpable for the accident than his brother was. I don't understand why everyone is calling it JY's crime. If l am driving and I hit a lamp post, is it my fault for running into the lamp post, or is it the lamp post's fault for just being there. This is how I interpret JB's flash back.
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jozie
August 24, 2014 at 6:27 PM
Oh, I totally agree that neither boy should have been accused of any crime, it was a bad accident. But someone wanted someone to go to jail???
patinalee
August 25, 2014 at 4:17 AM
@ Adal
Agree with you that from what's revealed so far, JY should not be blamed for the step-father's death and even if blameworthy, then that blame should be equally shared with his hyung, JB. From the flashback, we now know that JY was being beaten by the step-father and JB intervened to help JY. JB splashed the step-father with fuel and threatened to set him on fire. The step-father fought back and somehow gained the upper hand. That was when JY picked up the knife. JB pushed the step-father away causing him to run into the knife and knocking JY out cold. JY did not intentionally, purposely, stab the step-father. He was merely holding the knife. I do not and will not fault JB for pushing the step-father away either, they were embroiled in a fracas. The step-father's death was an accident.
If any criminal tendencies/acts were to be inferred, than I'd point out to JB's act of dousing the step-father with gasoline and waving the flame around, which taken together are more likely to cause bodily injury, if not death. Leaving aside the question of self-defense, my point is JB has the more aggressive/dangerous tendencies between the two brothers.
I sympathise with JB who in this episode has been portrayed as a much maligned man. He appears to have a gentle, artistic side to him, symbolised by that rose carving on his prison dinner table. Heck,I sympathise with the whole family, their traumas and pain, past and present and how love or the lack thereof affects all that. Someone commented in a previous recap that the correct translation for this drama is 'It's ok, there's (still?) love' and I'm beginning to see why. More revelation please! :-)
14 meimei
August 23, 2014 at 10:27 PM
Taeyong was so touching this episode. I've been waiting like crazy for someone to finally figure that theres something not right with Jaeyeol. I like when people notice jaeyeol doing something odd, but don't mention, because thats what people do. If you saw someone talking with themself you'd probably come up with a million excuses as to why there doing it. Tae yong really acted like a best friend this ep. After realizing Kang soo didn't exist, he seemed to just completely loose that little thread of hope he was hanging onto. Also I get Hae soo is insecure and does have a reason for it, but I feel like she's pushing Jaeyeol away. Which is especially sad, since she's probably going to be the once person that he needs soon. I can't believe I have to wait a week until the next ep argghhh, this is why i dont watch shows live!!
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15 alua
August 23, 2014 at 11:24 PM
This episode had me nerve-wracked because we were so close to Jae-yeol's issue coming out in the open. EVERYone was picking up signs, even if no one really figured out it out. Jae-yeol's high school friend of course got the clearest sign (proof in the form of a video), although he went into instant denial mode, at least to the policemen. Inside of himself, it’s likely another story – he may even know more of the past (and possibly JY behaving like that in the past). In any case, fairly certain JY’s issue will be revealed next week.
Unlike many, I wasn’t annoyed by Hae-soo. Jae-yeol was acting like a total jerk in this episode. He certainly wasn’t acting like you’d expect a boyfriend to act in the first month of a relationship. Running hot and cold. Hanging up on phone calls with single words. Some of this is pretty rude – you wouldn’t treat anyone like that (girlfriend or not). From HS’s perspective it could even be like “You slept with me once, now you run off and completely ignore for days?” His behaviour sends wrong signals, and I’m not surprised she struggled with it. For her benefit, I also thought she was going to be clingy but she did give him his space – she did not call him for 5 days and allowed him to be the one to re-iniate contact. However, all this is not to say that HS is doing things perfectly (not at all!). Her actions indicate clearly that she’s insecure (which are repercussions from her phobia & sth she still has to get over) and she acts out on this by being verbally aggressive. Again, I see her utterly flawed but I like her no less for that, even if I’d call her out on some of the things she does. I also think that her verbal aggressiveness is a defense mechanism on the outside, but on the inside she actually is more sensitive and has cued in on 1) JY being affected by his past more than he admits 2) that his escaping to his house has to do with his inability to write and 3) this inability is interfering with his life in a dangerous manner, to the point that he isn’t eating and sleeping. She picked up on all this without being around JY.
Their confrontation at the end: HS obviously had her sister’s words eating away at her and was jumping ahead of herself, but Jae-yeol not acknowledging the relationship seemed a bit too much as well. It’s one thing to act professional and keep your private life out of your workplace, it’s another to pretend that you’re not dating. He doesn't need to make any grand announcement or kiss her in front of everyone, but he also doesn’t need to talk to her like she’s a stranger he only met once before. I would seriously question any boyfriend that acted like that.
Mom: I like / understand her even less now. She still seems to be wearing a mask in the present, and Jae-bum's memories seem to suggest she preferred one child over the other. Which, if actually true, would be a very interesting scenario – because that does happen in real life and I'd be really interested if the show...
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alua
August 23, 2014 at 11:27 PM
(continued, sorry, being wordy again)
Hae-soo’s sister: Uhhh, what was with the marriage talk? HS has been dating JY for a few weeks and she’s telling her to marry him? I get there’s a cultural factor here, but she’s barely met the guy and knows sister’s past relationship troubles and wants to shove her into a marriage already? This seemed out-of-character to me and mostly I thought it was a not-so-subtle way of writing in a bit of a conflict since they then use it with HS’s character confronting JY.
Sunbae Jo: He really doesn't understand privacy, does he? (As a doctor?!) I'll accept walking into Jae-yeol's room but digging around and reading an obviously private book – not okay. Amazingly, Jae-yeol didn't flip.
HS’s ex: again, I wish he would have disappeared after the first couple of episodes. I can see they are using him narratively to dig out some controversial stuff on JY, but I wish we could have had someone do that who isn’t HS ex. I wouldn’t call him a love triangle, but the potential is there. I also have huge issues with the show he wants to produce (Sunbae Jo needs to shut down that idea of JB participating NOW), but he was also being inappropriately possessive of HS – typical kdrama ex behaviour, although I had a flicker of hope in the way JY responded (which seemed quite straightforward) and also the fact that they sat in the café together for a moment.
*Anticipating next week*
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 5:07 AM
Please don't apologize for being wordy! I always love reading everyone else's thoughtful comments about this show.
I also strongly agree re: the show Hae-soo's ex is planning to produce. Maybe they want to tackle/allude to the issue of sensationalizing mental illness in the media? The worst scenario my brain can currently come up with is that, out of revenge, Hae-soo's ex will publicly implicate Jae-yeol using proof of his mental deterioration. Thankfully, though, it is highly improbable they'll go there.
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alua
August 24, 2014 at 5:38 AM
The show might have good aim behind it, but Sunbae Jo already told PD Choi that Jae-bum was out of the question yet PD Choi continues to pursue the issue, researching further. Why does Sunbae Jo agree to join the meeting with the lawyer??? (I suppose because he now knows more about Jae-yeol and is curious, but even with that he needs to reject Choi's request for ONCE AND ALL and investigate on his own, without Choi).
PD Choi is obviously stuck on Jae Bum because of Jae yeol/Hae-soo, but other than being inappropriately possessive he is also being unprofessional. He's been told "no" and that should be it, esp. with a show that will absolutely require ethical clearance. And doesn't his work keep him busy enough for him to have time to pursue a show candidate that has already been rejected?
Also, doesn't Jae-bum get a say in this? (Or did I miss this?) I'm surprised they can consider him at all, given that he's in prison (reality shows in prison are NOT going to happen), but I guess they are counting on his imminent release.
Mostly, my worry is that PD Choi seems to function mostly as a narrative device (in some sort of the "ex mould" even if not amounting to a full "love triangle" threat) to bring out certain truths or create conflicts, even if it seems unlikely that he'll publicly expose JY. If he was more mature and less possessive towards HS, I'd be less hesitant.
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Juvy
August 24, 2014 at 12:24 PM
Haha I just like it so much how you've been depending Hae Soo I wouldn't say anything more cos I so agree with you. Keep being wordy pls :D
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16 lovebipolar
August 23, 2014 at 11:54 PM
Somehow the song, "Hot & Cold" by Katy Perry comes to mind when viewing the relationship of these two crazy love birds. Ha!
I think their progress as a couple is just like any other couple out there who goes through the stages of a burgeoning relationship; the pointless bickering, regression (revertego) and all that jazz.
I get that some would be frustrated with Hae-soo because she's trained professionally to deal with behavioural problems and expect her to be more level-headed. I guess no matter how great you are in your field of study, when it comes to dealing with your own set of issues, the expertise just goes out the window. That's probably why some people like helping others because they can't help themselves. In this way, they get a sense of feeling good (a flicker of hope & resolution), and can be distracted from their own dilemmas.
On the other hand, so far, so good. We've touched base on some of the proposed theories here on db: the accidental stabbing & the crippling disorder that is now manifesting on JY. 4 episodes left. Can't wait.
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Jae-yeol's deadpan/annoyed look is giving me the heebiejeebeez and making me imagine him saying this line from "Almost Famous" in a "Norman Bates style":
JY: "Where and when does this "real word" occur? Where do you get off? Where do you get sweet? I am not sweet! I am dark, mysterious, and pissed off! And I can be very dangerous to all of you. I am the ENEMY!
(*evil snicker)
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Yo
August 24, 2014 at 3:58 PM
Thank you! Wouldn't watching Hae Soo act pure and perfect be absolutely boring? Isn't that one of the points of the show - psychiatrists who can't treat their own problems? I have doctors/health professionals in the family who are not so level-headed in real life. They can be immature, childish, gullible, and kinda silly at times. They're professional at work but they're human too so I don't expect them to maintain that air of professionalism all the time.
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17 ccut
August 23, 2014 at 11:55 PM
HeadsNo2, thanks for the great recap! It totally refreshed my memory of episode 10.
Gahhh… so now more people are aware that Jae-yeol is mentally unstable. On the bright side, he’ll be able to get help now. Tae-yong, you seem to be much affected with this revelation, so could you please tell your friend he needs to seek help. Like, right now would be good.
It was enlightening to learn Sunbae Jo’s theories on Jae-yeol’s stepfather’s death. Since it was an accident, there was no need for Jae-yeol, Jae-bum, and their mother to fabricate a much-worse-story. Just like Sunbae Jo said, what’s baffling is that Jae-yeol was already aware of the power of “act of self-defense” at that time, so why did he not use it to spare his brother—whom he supposedly loved—the trouble of taking the blame? I really hope there’s more to the story; otherwise, I wonder if there’s a possibility Jae-yeol can be absolved from perjury since he was a juvenile at the time of trial.
The conversation between Doctor Lee and Sunbae Jo is a good example of a mature relationship. Nice confession from Sunbae Jo: “I love you very much… the sexiest kind of relationship… is the true friendship between a man and a woman. I really want to hold you right now, but I’m not going to. The sexy friendship we’ve shared for more than 20 years now… can’t let it become tawdry(?) because of a momentary physical desire.” Sweet. Doctor Lee should be consoled by that.
With the exception of Hae-soo's constant inclusion of Jae-yeol's ex-girlfriends in their conversation, all the scenes—including the sweet and the “bicker”-sweet—of Jae-yeol with Hae-soo made me smile. And their conversation during the last scene! Hah! I prefer a brutally frank Jae-yeol to a sweet-empty-nothing kind of guy. Oh, and I’m feeling the pressure of marriage now. For better or for worse, I’m excited to see how this affects their relationship.
I do have a minor gripe with the glimpses of Jae-yeol’s illness (both mental and physical). Ten episodes yet I’m still in the dark as much as five or so episodes ago: Kang-woo’s manuscripts— real or not? If they do exist and Jae-yeol created them himself, then he definitely has a split personality, as in he’s walking in Kang-woo’s shoes as well. Also, we don’t know what other non-existent stuff Jae-yeol is seeing or hearing when he is with Hae Soo and the others. What’s even more frightening is the possibility of him inflicting injury on someone during another “act of self defense” while fighting off non-existent people. And what about the scene in episode 8 when teary-eyed Kang-woo was on a bike and was neither with Jae-yeol nor on the phone with him—was that what Kang Woo was doing in Jae-yeol’s mind while painting with Hae-soo in Okinawa? Or was that the writer’s way of insinuating Kang-woo is gradually detaching from Jae-yeol’s mind now that he has found a real companion? What triggers the appearance of Kang-woo in Jae-yeol’s mind, btw? Also, I’m assuming Jae-yeol...
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ccut
August 23, 2014 at 11:59 PM
(continuation...)
Also, I’m assuming Jae-yeol doesn’t have ALS because if he’s had it since Kang-woo’s age, then shouldn’t it have progressed significantly by now? Gaahhh… I hate overthinking when I’m supposed to be enjoying. But it can’t be helped. As a viewer, there’s a limit to what the mind can dismiss and assume.
No matter what, though, I’ll see this drama until the end—be it great or not or anywhere in between.
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ccut
August 24, 2014 at 3:29 AM
I couldn't resist adding that the song of the day rules!
Hong Dae-kwang – “I Feel You”
Every time they play it in the series, I get optimistic about the main couple's future :D
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 5:26 AM
I think -- which basically boils down to: I really, really hope -- ALS will prove to be a red herring and we were overthinking Hae-soo's little remark for nothing.
And I guess Jae-yeol is simply unaware of his own guilt because he got knocked out during the fight. Plus, since his brother already took the blame, Jae-yeol didn't see any reason to cover for him, especially, because he expected the punishment to be a lot less harsh.
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ccut
August 24, 2014 at 7:22 AM
I too am assuming (and hoping) this ALS is nothing more than a red herring.
In a way I agree that Jae-yeol thinks he is innocent. At the same time, however, he is aware of the probability that he is guilty. Remember the phone call he received from Kang-woo in episode 3--regarding the manuscript Kang-woo wrote and turned Jae-yeol into the culprit? Hence I can only presume his subconscious knows there's also that probability. Of course, one may contend that this thinking may be the influence of Jae-bum's accusation that he was framed.
Whatever the truth is, it's bound to be bad news. Nevertheless, I'm going to remain optimistic that things will be resolved. So far each episode seems to be balanced in terms of highs and lows, so hopefully we won't be disappointed.
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18 Moonbean
August 24, 2014 at 12:12 AM
Thanks for the recap Heads. That was a very intense episode. I think this is the beginning of the end for Jae-yeol whatever that end may be. I have been waiting for this moment since we learnt that Kang-woo was imaginary.
Sunbae and through him we finally learnt that Jae-yeol is the one who killed his step father. But I don’t think either he or his mom lied consciously at court. Mom thinks Jae-bum is responsible because she saw the knife in his hand. Jae-yeol on the other hand hit his head right after the incident when he was falling and passed out. I think his conscious memory of that moment is blocked due to the physical and the emotional trauma of the moment and he truly is thinking his brother is responsible. His subconscious still remembers it though and that’s why one of Kang-woo’s novels blames Jae-yeol. In the end all three members of this family are under very tragic circumstances. Jae-bum believes he is framed and abandoned by his family and won’t give up his revenge plot until he understands it wasn’t intentional.
The person who holds the key to truth and peace for both brothers is Sunbae. The good thing is that the first person to learn the truth is a doctor who can help. And Jae-yeol’s girlfriend also being a doctor will be helpful when the truth is revealed and shit hits the fan. The thing I’m most curious about is how Jae-yeol will learn the truth and what his reaction to it will be.
Tae-yong learnt about his imaginary friend and that he is harming himself. I’m hoping he will first talk to sunbae before anyone else on this. It will be another piece of the puzzle for sunbae.
I agree that Hae-soo is not easy or fun to watch. I admire Jae-yeol’s patience with her. Frankly, I’m tiring of the relationship part of the story because of her repetitive antics. I am more interested in where Jae-yeol and Jae-bum’s journey is going to take them.
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19 ama
August 24, 2014 at 1:46 AM
Liked:
• Jae-yeol's sexy combination of stubble and glasses.
• All the insights into Jae-bum, even though I don't care about the revelation too much because I'm way more interested in the exploration of Jae-yeol's health issues.
• Soo-kwang, especially with Jae-yeol.
• Sometimes I love how hilariously stubborn these two are and how, despite their openness with each other, they are simply unable to communicate their basic needs. Instead, they reach a passive-agressive temporary impasse or become especially confrontational. (This doesn't extend to liking the whole episode, though.)
• Sexy friendship as consolation prize: Oh, how much I loved the sweet sadness permeating this scene!
• The CCTV becomes relevant. And Tae-yong realizing the truth. Awww... shit.
Disliked:
• Any scene with Jae-yeol and Hae-soo's ex. It felt so unnecessary, especially when thinking about what amazing bro scenes between Jae-yeol and Soo-kwang we could've had instead!
• While I understand the need for conflicts between Hae-soo and Jae-yeol, I didn't really like this one because, for me, it tied to smoothly into that closeness/own space question that seemed almost resolved at the end of last episode. (Hae-soo asks him for a visible sign on the door that he's working.) In addition, their positions in the general conflict felt somewhat similar (he desires emotional closeness aka a love confession vs. her desire for physical closeness; she wants to choose the moment of her confession vs. he wants to decide where he'll live aka both want to be able to make individual decisions/have individual freedom) and I just don't see how that exactly moves them forward as a couple. Miscommunication despite similar basic needs? Definitely not uninteresting, but it seems too much like they're treading water here. Especially now, when they just ended this episode with yet another misunderstanding. We have more important issues -- Jae-yeol's health issues! -- to cover, people, and only six episodes left!
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 2:11 AM
Disliked (cont'd)
• Hae-soo thinking/talking about prescribing Jae-yeol anything without consulting him first or even attempting to discuss their issues felt really, grossly insensitive to me. This seems like she wants to take the easiest way out, fix Jae-yeol, and suddenly everything else in their relationship is fine and dandy. As if his problems were the sole reason of them not getting along. (Am I making even any sense here?) Also, asking Sunbae Jo to help him when it's not even clear whether Jae-yeol would accept his help, either because he feels like he doesn't need it in the first place or because he doesn't want to make habit out of being treated by former flatmates? It just seems terribly misguided, especially when she should rather confront some of her own issues.
• AAARGHH. I was hopeful and happy that Hae-soo wouldn't give into her catastrophizing sister but then, again, her damned insecurity led her astray. And Jae-yeol, of course, can't come around and explain his position -- which is presumably private life is private and job is job? -- because he's (probably) offended by her assumptions since he's been nothing but considerate so far. (A fact she also already commented on in an earlier scene!) You know what? Even though I didn't really understand his behavior, I think he should feel offended and despite really, really hating this cliffhanger, I hope Hae-soo learns her lesson about making premature, unfair, and unkind assessments about someone she's supposed to care about. Yes, I get it's anxiety/insecurity, she's sabotaging her own relationship -- self-fulfilling prophecy, anyone? -- but I would've been frustrated way less if this had been the main conflict of this episode instead. A new (potential) can of worms, though, I don't really think that's what we need at this point. (Especially, when I get the feeling they did this primarily so that shit can *really* hit the fan.)
Question:
• The room that the suicidal person was in, wasn't it a toilet for people with physical disabilities? I wonder why so many young and able-bodied looking patients stood in front of it and looked bothered. Plus, Hae-soo said they'd have to use another room?
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Awe
August 24, 2014 at 9:42 AM
alua: along your lines of likes and dislikes---here are mine
LIKE:
in spite of all the mental disturbance, this is a rare drama that allows it's characters to confront each other and clear the air betweent them almost immediately. LOVE that about this show.
DISLIKE:
more of a concern than dislike is how truly truly deeply disturbed JaeYeol is. i worry about HyeSoo because this guy is really disturbed.
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alua
August 24, 2014 at 2:28 AM
The conflict between Hae-soo and Jae-yeol may simply be a continuation of what seemed resolved already, but then again I don't think they quite resolved it. Drama-watching-wise it may feel too similar, but I think in real life these things sometimes take a while to resolve.
For me, they are just in the middle of trying to figure out how to make things work (finding the right balance that will work for both of them). Their positions may be similar in one sense, but they are coming to them from different starting points and with different baggage which is feeding their actions/reactions. Hae-soo is overly insecure, but she is coming from a phobia and from a recent relationship in which someone cheated on her. JY's one-word phone conversations (in which he takes total control rather – no attempt for compromise) and 5 days of no-contact (after sleeping with her) will only feed that insecurity.
Jae-yeol is also acting somewhat unpredictably – his outburst in the last episode, and his physical reaction to her back hug (followed by "I love you" minutes later!). I'm assuming these actions are driven by his mental state (his "issue"), that will see more of them, but they contradict the JY we saw previously. They also send confusing signals to Hae-soo that make her struggle with the relationship.
On the whole, it seems like are treading water because their couple issues could be resolved easily and we could move on to focusing on JY's hallucinations, but I in fact think the couple issues and the hallucinations are slowly merging into each other and can't be so easily separated anymore. It's not only a misunderstanding that we have here, but I think we are already dealing with JY's health issues in connection to that misunderstand – just that it's not been fully and clearly outed yet.
Not sure if I'm making sense? I know it's slow pacing, but it makes sense to me.
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 3:16 AM
You're totally making sense, don't worry.
I think it's mosly me getting more and more worried about Jae-yeol and anxious about how they plan to resolve all of this in the remaining episodes, especially, if they keep up with this pacing. I feel like there's still so much to talk about, but maybe I'm just not ready to part with this show so soon.
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alua
August 24, 2014 at 3:38 AM
Yes, six episodes for Jae-yeol's issue... seems like nothing. Not when we had 16 to start with. But then again it's been bubbling under the surface with hints popping up here and there and slowly leading us to the moment of explosion.
My hope is that the show won't "resolve" his issue, but merely start resolving it, tying up some ends by ep. 16 but leaving it clear that Jae-yeol's recovery will take a long time.
I would rather not have a time-jump and I don't want anything cut short by a death!
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 4:36 AM
I think we already talked about this somewhere else -- magic wand and all -- and I'm with you here: no instant cure, please. For both of them. Not only because it'd seem like lazy writing but also because it would seriously hurt the complexity of everything they've build up so far.
alua
August 24, 2014 at 3:58 AM
As for getting bored... I think we all are impatient because we want to find out *NOW* what happens (wouldn't I love to marathon the next six eps!) and it's definitely not the usual type of pacing for a kdrama.
I don't mind, because I have watched plenty of Japanese slice-of-life dramas and I also watch a lot of independent films, especially Asian ones which are nearly always 2 hours+ and sometimes have just about no plot to speak of (Tale of Iya was 2 hours 49 min of very little happening... and I loved it).
I think the problem is that with kdramas many things are fairly uniform (pacing, plot development arch, set-in-stone OTP) that when we encounter something else, it throws us in a loop because we are so used to things being a certain way.
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 4:15 AM
I can assure you, my whining was never about boredom. On the contrary, if I'm getting bored by something, I usually don't bother and cut it out entirely. :)
What I meant re: pacing was that I doubt they'll address some of the things I'd want them to, mostly those related to mental illness. Then again, I understand that it's a personal gripe not everyone else may share.
20 letmesee
August 24, 2014 at 3:52 AM
I think there is more to the story than what JB could recall in the session with Sunbae Jo. Looked like JY knocked his head when he fell. Still gaps in the puzzle waiting for the show to reveal. Poor JB.
Tae Yong redeemed himself this episode and there was something touching about his distress when he learnt about JY's hallucinations.
Like many others, I have lost patience with Hae Soo. While she was starting to show some care towards JY's wellbeing, her constant bickering was a bit tiring. No one can help her with her insecurity, it has to come within herself. Catering to her constant need for re-assurance only make it worse.
Most of all, I am a little apprenhensive of what the show has to reveal about JY. Not only about JB and the stepfather, but his illness. Several episodes ago, there was a reference to Lou Gehrig's disease, I hape that won't be the case. Jo In-Sung's excellent potrayal of JY has me invested in that character. JY, fightin'.
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21 fab
August 24, 2014 at 5:24 AM
I can't believe your love GHJ would be affected because of Hae-soo. If anything you should love her more now! HS got a lot of issues going on; it's not an easy treat to watch your mom cheat on your dad for such a long time, insecurities as a result of the trauma/anxiety are the least of what can happen to a young woman. HS is taking control and doesn't give away of herself easily- I like that, especial after her ex slept with a friend just because he couldn't sleep with her. Men!
Anyhow, I am kinda a little glad that the ex has more purpose than being annoyingly clingy.
JY's mom is probably the key in the stepfather's case, I wonder if she's ever going to crack and tell the truth whatever that might be. That's the only way to convince JY of what really happened... (though I am having a hard time blaming their mother for picking sides...rather than losing both sons she sacrificed just one.)
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 5:41 AM
I completely agree about Hae-soo! In fact, I love all the women on TV who are allowed to be a little mean and difficult without being a mere "harpy" plot device. :)
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alua
August 24, 2014 at 6:00 AM
I actually think Jae-yeol is being a little mean and difficult in this episode too, but somehow he isn't being judged as harshly for it. Perhaps because his "issue" is more serious (it is, but that doesn't make it more valid than HS's anxiety/insecurity) so people are cutting him more slack / pitying him, but then I also wonder if there's not a tiny bit of subconscious gender stereotyping here. With a man being assertive is considered an attractive quality, a woman is considered annoying / whiny / fill-the-blank.
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ama
August 24, 2014 at 6:42 AM
I assume ingrained sexism is definitely a part of it.
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fab
August 24, 2014 at 6:47 AM
Tell me about it. *annoyed*
It's a pretty ugly assumption that a woman keeping a man who's is supposedly loves her at an arm length is controlling and yeah a b***.
HS and JY are both keeping a distance in this fresh relationship. He wants to keep it a secret from his colleagues, and wants to be alone for days without any contact for his writing.
But still, they care a lot about each other, the upcoming events will prove that.
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alua
August 24, 2014 at 11:25 AM
They both keep distance and then have moments when they want to be close (emotionally and physically) – just that it doesn't always happen at the same time. They obviously need to find a balance – and check in with each other.
It's fine that JY wants five days by himself but it's not so fine to announce it, proclaim it'll be with no contact (not even a 1-min phone call) and then walk out... without ever asking HS how she felt about that. Not if you are in a relationship! But the same of course goes for HS, when she just wants things her way without asking JY for his input.
Of course, beneath all that they do care for each other, they both clearly miss each other... and the coming episodes will definitely show that.
s
August 24, 2014 at 7:40 PM
I love it that HS in episodes 9 and 10 went all like, "sure just call me a bit*h", "you guys don't know me very well: I'm not afraid to piss off people."
I love her! Maybe I see myself in her, but she's assertive and she calls out BS when she sees it, and I love her for it. I was more annoyed with the fact that in the second episode, DM and SW beat up ex-Choi because he hurt her, and now they are saying that she should have broken up with him nicely instead so he doesn't give her a bad name. I mean who the heck cares about an ex who cheats on you???
alua
August 24, 2014 at 11:21 PM
@s
100% agree.
Asking her to break up nicely with the one who cheated on her so he doesn't give her a bad name... it was ridiculous because of what they did in ep 2 and rude! (whose side are they on? Their housemate's? Or the cheating guy's?). I'm so glad that HS shot them down. I really hope they don't slew in some sort of reconciliation later, now that Choi is getting more screen time (he should have just been dropped from the story completely).
alua
August 24, 2014 at 11:27 PM
I should add that of course she wasn't faultless in the relationship with Choi, but that's something she needs to tackle on her own (to avoid that kind of behaviour in future relationships), not with Choi.
Telling him sorry would be like saying "Yeah, it was sort of my fault you cheated" ... but it's not. He made a choice to cheat rather than address the problems he was having with the relationship with her or breaking up with her.
(Sorry, had to add them. No forgiveness for cheaters from me...)
letmesee
August 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM
I hope for me it was more than gender issue that cause me to lose patience with her. From the get-go, she has always wanted to be in control. Nothing wrong with that as long as both parties are happy with it that way. However she is not consistent and JY responds in the way he knows how and she didn't like it. To me, it is an equal relationship with both giving as good as they get. I was hoping her training and profession would have been tools she could use to understand this relationship.
Living with an insecure person is hard.
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22 harmonyfb
August 24, 2014 at 6:34 AM
I'm reallyreally interested in Jae-yeol's mental health and family issues (the fact that his abusive stepfather is still torturing everyone decades after his death is agonizing), but this was the episode where Hae-Soo's personality defects drove me out. I just can't stand her and her self-centeredness (if she was a secondary character, I could deal - but as the female lead? Ugh.)
From now on I think I'll just read the recaps. ::sigh::
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23 ama
August 24, 2014 at 7:46 AM
There are a lot of people who have criticized the show's dialogue and I always wonder whether this judgement is based on the Korean dialogue or the translated subtitles. What exactly don't you like? The topics, the tone, the flow? I'm honestly curious.
(If someone wants to talk about why they like the dialogue instead, be my guest.)
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letmesee
August 24, 2014 at 12:39 PM
I read the translated subtitles, I like the dialogue. I thought the Show, to date, has been smart and the dialogue is one of the reasons.
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patinalee
August 24, 2014 at 1:39 PM
I like the dialogue between JS and HS. Don't speak a word of Korean and thus rely heavily on the subs to follow the story. Especially like the flow; JY's brusque delivery, concise and straight to the point questions unsettles and breaks down HS' walls. They unsettle her pre-conceived notions, even mine s a viewer: When's the right/proper time for you to say you love someone, for eg.
Their dialogue enabled their relationship to progress as quickly as it did. Issues are met head on, no dithering. JY and HS connect intellectually and their intellectual foreplay eases their physical foreplay (and beyond....). I think it's the basis for a great relationship between them, this intellectual connection. It makes them sexier. :-)
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24 CrazyKaleidoscopic
August 24, 2014 at 9:06 AM
I have to agree with you. I am frankly more invested in how everyone especially his gf will react when the truth about his mental state comes out. & the whole truth about that murder. But looks like the revelation will be used as the final drama :|
The thing about the murder is really....how should I say this. The truth seems to be right there but it always feels like something is missing. I am pretty sure that maybe the shock of killing drove Jae-yeol over the edge & his brain tried to salvage itself by making him think that Jae-bum killed their father. But then the show reveals stuff here & there that throw me in for a loop. If Jae-yeol loved his brother so much, why would he testify against him even if he thought his bro was the real killer? Did his mom force him to do it? Why? & why did she burn down the house? In an attempt to mask the murder? I want all 3 perspectives. No, I need it. I must say, even though this is a rom-com, the mystery has been really well done. The truth seems to be so obvious yet it's not.
The shared psychotic disorder case. I wonder if that's what will happen to Jae-yeol & Jae-bum? Just wondering. But if that's the case 6 eps are too short.
The thing with the romance is not that it's boring but that 6 eps seem too short to talk about Jae-yeol's.....thing. (you dirty minds, I know exactly what you are thinking >.>) because there is so much to show there! They will have to drastically speed up the pacing to cover everything at this point, what with the romance not yet having been resolved, & it will be really jarring. On the other hand, if they don't then the story will be left feeling incomplete which is a serious pity cause the psychological side had a potential to be a really rich plot.
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25 isnin
August 24, 2014 at 12:18 PM
My theory is that Jae-Yeol has a split personality.
Kang-Woo is his alter-ego that developed as a defense mechanism to abuse suffered at the hands of his Step-father and Jae-Bum.
Jae-Yeol was unaware that his alter-ego framed Jae-Bum to protect JaeYeol from more abuse.
Except, I think that he is becoming more and more aware of his alter-ego and that things aren't quite right.
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isnin
August 24, 2014 at 12:26 PM
RE: manuscripts.
I think they come from Kang-Woo side of his split personality.
Possibly Jae-Yeol types them up when he's in Kang-Woo mode and then he imagines receiving them from Kang-Woo when he is back as Jae-Yeol.
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26 UjenieD
August 24, 2014 at 3:36 PM
Everyone seems to forget that Hae Soo also is a "mental" patient. She has never experience this kind of relationship so it comes from her illness...remember she's not a normal adult in the love relationship category. If you see it from that stand point you'll realize why she always seems to "be nagging or insecure" in the relationship. Cut her some slack!
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27 Marina
August 25, 2014 at 7:55 AM
OK. I need some help here. How is this show a rom-com and not a drama? How come everyone is dismissing the violence, abuse, horrors of growing up with everyday beatings, the mother who allowed her sons to be abused to a bloody pulp?! While characters and commenters alike are fawning over a bratty insecure girl's problems or running to hold a guy with Tourette syndrome like he's having life threatening epileptic seizures and not just bouts of tics. Wrong priorities much, people?
I don't care how insecure Hae Soo is at this point, when she looks at the pictures of 15 year old Jae Yeol, bloody and bruised, listens to his horror story of why he sleeps in the bathtub, and she still calls him a player, and toys with him. And we all go, "awww, so cute, these two." Realy?
The murder mystery done well? We don't know who killed the step-father?! All I want to know is how Jae Yeol's mother allowed her sons to be destroyed like that. Oh, horror. How could she loved Jae Yeol more than his brother? Is that what we supposed to worry about?! Again. Did you see the flashbacks and photos of him? What a loving mother, indeed.She should get a medal and a hug.
Heo Soo, while visiting her, should thank her for having only one abusive boyfriend not a load of them, like others do, right? And Korean police is sooooo funny, never investgates or helps abuse victims, only put them in jail. If this is true, then this show misses a chance to open people's eyes and help the victims. By making this show a drama, not rom com.
What scares me the most is that everyone is like, "Oh, what a refreshing characters. With refreshing murder mystery and funny therapists, and funny abuse victims healing therapists' marital and sex problems
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wiseem
August 25, 2014 at 8:50 AM
See, the story is not refreshing because of the murder or the abuse or the psychological problems but because of how the characters deal with these issues. They do not fall into days of depression and look out into the darkness of the night and think "Oh, what a terrible world this is," they get outside and they go to their jobs, they meet their family, they carry out relationships, they help other people because time heals and, in this way, people also learn to heal people as well.
And of course Hae Soo will do things like that when it comes to Jae-Yeol. He's her boyfriend, not a patient! Besides, she does want to help him confront his past but, I mean, if he doesn't want her to talk about it, how can she force him?
Also, the mother did not ALLOW her sons to be beat up into a pulp because SHE WAS ALSO GETTING BEAT UP. In fact, she was getting the brunt of the abuse because it was her only way of protecting her sons!
The point of this show is not for us to think "oh, poor Jae-Yeol, poor Jae-bum, poor Mother, poor Hae-soo," it's for us to realize that, yes, there are real problems in this world but, even so there is a way for us to solve them.
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Marina
August 25, 2014 at 12:49 PM
OK. And how exactly the two victims ( brothers) or the bunch of therapists around them "deal with abuse" in this show? Do you see something I don't or do we watch different shows?
Let's recount. One victim is rotting in jail, getting more sociopathic by day, doesn't get (never had) much therapy save for some idiotic amytal shots and no one cares. Another victim was never in therapy to begin with, meets a female counselor who is more preoccupied with her sex life than getting him help. I didn't see the mother protecting her sons, only getting abused by a boyfriend she brought into their lives.
I am watching a fantasy show about two therapists leaving in some ... sorority or a halfway house where they continue to treat phobias; and it's all about their love interests and families. What are you watching?
By the rules of lisensing (and people from US or Canada here would know, not sure about other countries) the certified counselors must work or volunteer certain amount of hours in the organizations and groups that help treat victims of abuse. Looks like Hae Soo works at the hospital, so she must be certified and trained to recognize abuse victims, even the silent ones. And she is not concerned after hearing AND seeing Jae Yeol's story?! How bout her saying, '"Oppa, I know a support group or a great therapist we can talk to and get your festering wounds aired and healed," instead of, "Do you love only me, or all the pretty girls you meet, you playboy," for his sanity sake, no pun intended.
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alua
August 25, 2014 at 1:48 PM
<Let’s recount. One victim is rotting in jail, getting more sociopathic by day, doesn’t get (never had) much therapy save for some idiotic amytal shots and no one cares.
He is getting treatment from from Sunbae Jo. Note that he has also been refusing meetings with various people (including telling Sunbae Jo that he will not see him in the future and people who care about him, like Tae-yong, his brother and his mother). The show has also been making the point that institutions and authority fail victims of abuse and that treatment is often not given. From what I understand, this is a real issue in some Asian countries where mental illnesses are hushed up – this show is reflects that situation and is highlighting it as it is trying to convey the message that many people have issues and that treatment should be sought (that it's okay to do so and that recovery is possible).
<Another victim was never in therapy to begin with, meets a female counselor who is more preoccupied with her sex life than getting him help.
He is unaware of the issue he has, he has suppressed it. He probably doesn't realise he needs treatment, or if he realises it, he may be hesitant/unwilling to seek it (taboo issue) – we don't know this yet. His family (himself included) has been failed by the system, the show makes this point.
<I didn’t see the mother protecting her sons, only getting abused by a boyfriend she brought into their lives.
We cannot be certain that any of the flashbacks are reliable (none of the characters are reliable narrators). She may have protected her children or not. Additionally, she is a victim of abuse so the situation is very complex (she may not be able to protect the children depending on the physical threat and her mental/emotional/physical state).
<By the rules of lisensing (and people from US or Canada here would know, not sure about other countries) the certified counselors must work or volunteer certain amount of hours in the organizations and groups that help treat victims of abuse.
Well, this is a Korean show set in South Korea so rules of licensing may be different. I don't know.
<Looks like Hae Soo works at the hospital, so she must be certified and trained to recognize abuse victims, even the silent ones. And she is not concerned after hearing AND seeing Jae Yeol’s story?! How bout her saying, ‘”Oppa, I know a support group or a great therapist we can talk to and get your festering wounds aired and healed,” instead of, “Do you love only me, or all the pretty girls you meet, you playboy,” for his sanity sake, no pun intended.
Hae Soo is in her first year as a doctor. Even if you are trained, you don't automatically recognise abuse victims and figure it all out in an instant. She has known Jae-yeol for a few weeks. She has picked up on some odd behaviour and learned some of his background, but she doesn't know the extent of the abuse and trauma yet. She is proceeding...
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alua
August 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM
... cautiously which is not a bad thing (given they have not known each other long, JY could easily close up, refuse treatment and disappear from her life). Hae-soo has asked Sunbae Jo to treat JY because she has realised that he needs help (just not what kind of help and to what extent).
You seem rather angry about this show. I suggest you consider the cultural context of this drama, the brief time frame that the story has covered and the fact that some narrative devices are deceptive / unreliable.
Or perhaps best not to watch?
Marina
August 25, 2014 at 11:36 PM
I am not angry about the show. Show is show. Hey, I'm in the (almost) same industry myself. And it's challenging Hollywood's decades long grip on society by convincing the audience that It's OK, It's Cool to jump off the bandwagon and deviate by asking hard questions. And then run in other direction fast, before the rocks start falling instead of the answers.
I'm baffled not by the show itself, but by the audience's indifference to non-stop abuse in all possible forms, in every echelon of life in Kdramas. In a beginning of my addiction I was indifferent too. Took me a while to realize what I was gobbling down in my isolated bunker of emotional refuge. Addicted to talented handsome actors and not caring about the backstory, the main narriative, or the moral of it all.
If the country's "cultural" phenomenon is to shrugg shoulders at all forms of abuse of, basically, all of the vulnerable members of society, shouldn't the international audience give an honest feedback? We binge on these shows more than native Koreans do. They are too busy working or studying.
So let's start with asking not very polite questions. The writers (I mean the designated team members) should be reading this and other blogs for a feedback. Just like I follow different networks, relevant platforms for my team (political content, not dramas, unfortunately) If outsiders keep asking unflattering questions, maybe something will change in the society that, apparently, turns blind eye to abuse of children and women? Cable networks are powerful propaganda tools, and even a little change can make a difference.
Odessa
August 27, 2014 at 3:22 PM
One subject this series handles well is how we tip-toe around mental illness. HS and JY have had remarkably frank discussions, especially given the early stage of their relationship. But it's not an easy subject to discuss. I don't think she's "not concerned" about his mental health, but she also doesn't want him to think she's "weirded out". At least twice so far, she has raised the subject of treatment to him in a considerate way. Both times he's shrugged it off and given the impression he's doing fine. In fact, JY probably doesn't know how wrong things are right now. His coping mechanisms will make it hard for him to admit he needs help. Remember how he laughed cheerfully when he told the story about why he doesn't sleep in beds? He's very good at convincing people, "Everything's okay. I'm a talented guy with just a couple eccentricities—but hey, artists are like that, right?" He's got a lot invested in that image of himself. Hye Soo is smart not to bring up the issue too often. Let's face it, he's so used to independence that even asking him to eat dinner pissed him off. As for the issue of abuse, I agree we shouldn't turn a blind eye, but I don't think this series minimizes its horrors. More than other K-dramas I've seen, it treats abuse as a tragedy with long-term repercussions. But this series also gives the victims a chance to be more than victims. (Jo In Sung makes psychosis sexy…) Abuse and mental illness may not seem to belong in a "romantic comedy," but people with mental illness DO have romances, AND they have romances with happy endings. Kudos to the director and writer for telling this story! But I can see how people would be confused by the "rom com" tag. How many rom coms show someone get stabbed with a fork in the first sequence? I'm more puzzled than ever about exactly how these genre distinctions are made.
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28 DeeCee
August 25, 2014 at 11:01 AM
This is awesome! I don't think anyone has linked to this yet - it's Jo In Sung doing the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge. The best part is that he's sitting in his IOIL bathtub, and Kwang Soo is the one not only dumping ice water on him but shoving some down the front of JIS's shirt and rubbing it around!
Somehow, JIS makes sitting in ice water look great! Enjoy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDLlvV-yjgs&feature=player_embedded
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29 clarice
August 25, 2014 at 4:02 PM
the actor who plays Choi Ho...looks like that he's product of total plastic surgery?
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30 Rifka18
August 26, 2014 at 5:42 AM
Does anyone know the song that plays while Jae-bum is recovering from the truth serum / memories. The one that plays as he tells his mom he will take the fall for his younger brother.
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31 momosa
August 26, 2014 at 6:22 PM
This show is almost like a thriller. I hope all these fantastic chemistry JIS & GHJ has given us is not a fake-out that JY imaginary/disorder playing trick.
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32 Odessa
August 27, 2014 at 4:58 PM
I'm reading this past week's comments while I endure the tortures of waiting for episode 11. So many people think JY's hand problems are connected to a physical degenerative disease. But it makes more sense for it to be another symptom of his psych issues.
We just learned he accidentally stabbed his stepfather with that hand, and I'm convinced when his hand hurts it's an expression of a repressed memory. He doesn't have clear memories of his stepfather's death, but he's subconsciously afraid hyungnim might be right. What if he did kill his stepfather? And I think the cough is a memory from the fire that burned the house down. Who lit the house on fire? Was it Mamma Jang, trying to cover up what happened? And did she help finish the stepfather off?
They can wrap this up in 16 episodes--though I love this couple so much I want to follow their relationship for at least a decade! The next arc can focus on figuring out what happened in the past and how JY can address it now. I'm not worried he's going to have ANOTHER disease on top of his OCD, PTSD and episodic psychosis. But the big question is going to be whether he's able to realize what's going on. The anecdotes about Hye Soo's patients at the hospital have already shown how common it is for people not to realize they have serious mental illness. We're going to shed some tears--but probably because of watching Jo In Sung suffer a lot before he decides there's something wrong with his brain and he needs treatment.
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33 sarah
September 2, 2014 at 9:34 PM
i really dont mean to hate but hae soo and jae yul fight about the most trivial things...they're always arguing >.<!!
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