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It’s Okay, It’s Love: Episode 8

The fixation on our heroine’s reluctance toward physical intimacy goes into overdrive in an hour with as much of a one-track mind as its straight-shooting hero. I guess it won’t come as that much of a surprise when the weeks leading up to this have dedicated a fair amount of energy to the idea of getting down to business, so in that sense it’s always been less a question of “Will they or won’t they?” and more of a “Will she and when?”

It’s been a close race for ratings this cycle, and even though It’s Okay slipped into last place with 10.2%, I wouldn’t be surprised if that continues to change in the weeks to come.

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EPISODE 8 RECAP

It turns out that Jae-yeol and Hae-soo didn’t take that trip, since she asks him if he’s angry that she pulled out. He’s completely fine with it as he tells her they can just go another time, causing Hae-soo to smile as she says, “You really are my type.”

So in lieu of a vacation, Jae-yeol takes her to see some flowers… at his mom’s house. Visiting the parents already? He’s fast.

Mama Ok-ja has sympathy for Hae-soo being caught unaware, even though she’s surprised at just how much Hae-soo knows about her son. Then again, Hae-soo’s the first girl Jae-yeol’s ever brought home.

While Hae-soo goes for a walk around the neighborhood, Mama Ok-ja confesses to Jae-yeol that she’s been thinking about the past a lot lately. One incident in particular stands out as we see the flashback: Mama Ok-ja had been enraged to find Jae-bum eating “his brother’s” food from her kitchen after being released from a juvenile detention center.

Even though Jae-bum remembered it was her birthday and noticed her new black eye, Mama Ok-ja treated him like an unwelcome pest. In the present, Jae-yeol tsks at his mother for being too harsh—she had quite the temper back then.

She doesn’t deny it, as the flashback resumes to where her shouting match with Jae-bum escalated sharply when she’d told Jae-bum to just go die, to which Jae-bum fired back that he wouldn’t give them the satisfaction of his death.

Then she’d noticed a container of oil, and in his anger, Jae-bum claimed he’d brought it to burn the house down. In the present, Mama Ok-ja admits that she didn’t remember until after how she’d told Jae-bum she couldn’t make him food without it a few weeks prior. The oil was his birthday gift to her.

She asks Jae-yeol if he knows that Jae-bum isn’t as bad as everyone makes him out to be, which he does. Mama Ok-ja then sighs that Jae-bum turned out this way because she didn’t testify for him in court, even though Jae-yeol cryptically counters that she couldn’t have testified for him anyway, because she saw what really happened.

Jae-yeol tells his mom to keep her chin up, so that way they can reunite as one happy family when Jae-bum finally comes home. To him, Jae-bum’s jail sentence will mark the last of their family’s misfortune. It’ll be blue skies for the three of them soon.

Mama Ok-ja approves of Hae-soo and tells her son to stick with her for the long haul, and he chuckles a bit as he wonders if he would eventually get sick of Hae-soo, but it’s clear he isn’t really looking to argue. If anything, it seems like he’s considering the idea of a future with her pretty favorably.

During the car ride home, Hae-soo initially brushes off Jae-yeol’s suggestion that they go on a trip together as him just fooling around. But when he reminds her that she always keeps her passport on her and is therefore always ready to travel, she starts to wonder if he’s really serious.

He is, and suggests they go to Okinawa, specifically to the place she has a picture of in her room. “Let’s just go,” he says, and she laughs at the ridiculousness of it all until she makes a sudden spontaneous decision and agrees. But he better hurry before she changes her mind.

Instead of seeing his next patient, Sunbae Jo is instead met with Doctor Lee, who wears a stone-faced expression as she explains that she’s only there to seek his counsel for her brother-in-law, who may be suffering from a delusional form of jealousy when it comes to her sister.

Jae-yeol is euphoric as he drags Hae-soo to the airport, even as she keeps trying to dissuade him by mentioning the various impracticalities of their sudden departure, all of which he refutes easily. I love how he’s as excited as a kid on Christmas.

In trying to follow him, Hae-soo trips and breaks her arm, forcing her and Jae-yeol to sidetrack to the hospital for a cast. (This is likely the drama’s way of covering for the real-life accident Gong Hyo-jin was in.)

Even though Jae-yeol is willing to call off the trip because of her arm, Hae-soo has freakin’ committed to this thing now, and says that they’re absolutely going. And yes, maybe her resolve has something to do with the tickets being non-refundable, but that’s beside the point.

Jae-yeol is amused not only by Hae-soo’s pragmatic approach to how they’ll split the costs of their trip equally, but by how her face lights up into a smile as she admits that she’s excited for the trip. She slips her arm into his with a grin, leaving Jae-yeol to wonder, “Do you know how strange you are?” Hah.

It’s funny how Hae-soo is much less bothered by her arm than Jae-yeol is, but knows to play the victim card when he tries to ignore her so he can get some writing done on the flight. His face just grows more irked by the second as she tells him stories about her life and how she’s always dreamed of traveling, but all she has to do is wiggle her cast arm pitifully for him to close his laptop and admit she’s won.

As Doctor Lee tells Sunbae Jo about her sister’s marriage situation, he wonders if she’s only considering her sister’s perspective as a method of countertransference (when a psychotherapist projects their own emotions onto a patient).

She flatly denies these claims, though he urges her to consider that while her brother-in-law’s actions may be over the line, being pegged with a delusional jealousy disorder by his wife (her sister) is also over the line. She grudgingly agrees to consider it, only to light up when Sunbae Jo asks her out to eat.

“Just us two?” she broaches carefully. But when PD Choi comes in, having also been invited, Doctor Lee storms out. She rails on Sunbae Jo when he follows after her about why they can’t ever just go out alone—is he afraid she’s going to eat him alive? Does he hate her that much?

Sunbae Jo barks back that that’s not the case, and confesses that he feels the same way she does. There are days where he misses and needs her, but then there’s reality. Does she expect him to divorce his wife and children for a former marriage that didn’t work out? “Even if we have lingering feelings for each other, it’s too late.”

Soo-kwang finds out about Jae-yeol and Hae-soo’s sudden overseas trip when he calls to ask why Jae-yeol told him to light Hae-soo’s candle for her that night. He flips out when Jae-yeol confirms that it’s just the two of them in Okinawa, but what can he do?

Still, he calls Jae-yeol back for some advice on So-nyeo—should he give up on her or wait for her if she has someone else? Jae-yeol’s response is simple: Give up. Soo-kwang doesn’t, much to So-nyeo’s delight. She has no problem dating two men at once if Soo-kwang is interested.

After making it crystal clear that she’s leaving unless they’ll be sleeping in two separate rooms, Hae-soo follows Jae-yeol to their multi-room, fancy suite and immediately calls the front desk for two separate (and cheaper) rooms.

She explains that she can’t abide by the cost of what this room must be, and again brings up his past with other women as she asks if he would spend this lavishly when it came to them. He just answers that he gets a discount, but hangs his head when she demands to know how much—it’s still way over what she’d deem acceptable.

So they move into a slightly smaller suite, which Jae-yeol claims is cheap. Hae-soo doesn’t believe him and calls the front desk to ask how much the room is, unsurprised to find that it’s double the price he told her. Jae-yeol stomps away, caught.

Cut to: Jae-yeol and Hae-soo in a much smaller room with two simple twin beds. Even this isn’t to Hae-soo’s liking, since she wants two separate rooms, and nothing Jae-yeol says will convince her otherwise.

Under Hae-soo’s order, they’re forced to leave their snazzy resort to go into the rain so that Jae-yeol can ask the locals about where they can find cheap rooms. Hae-soo doesn’t seem to think this is any trouble for him, and even pats herself on the back for being such a good girlfriend to be saving her boyfriend money. Jae-yeol just nods silently, which Hae-soo takes as a positive sign. “You’re exactly my type,” she repeats.

They finally end up outside a rundown bed and breakfast that’s exactly the budget Hae-soo wanted and that has exactly two rooms just like she wanted. But at least Hae-soo is able to detect the sarcasm in his words, prompting her to ask if he’s annoyed with her.

Unsurprisingly, he is. He wanted them to stay at a nice place for their first vacation together, even if it would’ve cost a bit more… but Hae-soo interjects to say that it wouldn’t just be his money, since they agreed to go halfsies. And before he can try to defend himself, she again interjects to say that she loathes women who depend on men financially.

When Jae-yeol says he doesn’t like those types of women either, Hae-soo all but puffs up in pride: “Then you should like me! Why are you annoyed?” Jae-yeol: “Because you aren’t thinking about anything else but money. Why did you even come on this trip? Was it to go on a vacation or count pennies? From the beginning of this trip, other than money, did you even once think about my opinions, my feelings, or that this is our first trip as a couple?”

He thinks Hae-soo means to go back to Korea with the way she says “Let’s go,” but she petulantly shoots back that they’ll find a different hotel. He, in turn, suppresses a surprised smile.

Both Doctor Lee and Sunbae Jo complain about each other to different people, though Sunbae Jo directs his ire at PD Choi by telling him to give up when it comes to Hae-soo, since she’s already moved on.

Remember Sang-sook, the girl from the window? Tae-yong reads a note she wrote to Jae-yeol about how she hasn’t been able to stop thinking about him ever since she saw a man who looked like him throwing pebbles at her window.

Apparently she was his first love, and is now returning love letters he once wrote to her in order to help him with his writing. But then Tae-yong gets a concerning call from the police, looking for Jae-yeol.

Jae-yeol gets some essentials from the convenience store since they packed nothing, stopping to stare only briefly at a shelf of condoms. But he returns to the quaint place he and Hae-soo finally settled on armed with only a new bandaid for her forehead. For now.

He jokes that he could’ve helped her bathe with her cast (coming from five weeks of wearing one, it is no picnic), only for her to reply that she wouldn’t allow it even if she’d broken both her legs.

She’s a bit more cuddly after they start drinking, but notices Jae-yeol’s finger twitching/stiffening problem. He brushes it off as just his nervousness in being with her, but goes wide-eyed when she suggests he take a shower so they can go to sleep. In their separate rooms.

Jae-yeol asks if they’re really going to sleep apart, causing Hae-soo to pat his thigh reassuringly as she asks if it’s not enough that they get to just be together like this. But then she decides to just ask him honestly: Why do men make such a fuss about sleeping with women?

He tells her that it’s because of instinct and love, to which she asks if that means men confuse sex with love. He asks her if she knows of a better way to prove the love between a man and a woman other than sleeping together, and she doesn’t have the answer. She tells him to just go to bed instead.

But since they’re being honest, Jae-yeol decides to tell her the truth: If she were to peek inside his head, she’d see that most of his thoughts are about sleeping with her. She’s surprised that he’d be that honest, only he doesn’t see it as a bad thing when it’s only human.

However, he adds that while she doesn’t have to understand his state of mind, she should at least recognize that him having those thoughts is natural and harmless. It’s completely different if he were to act upon them and force her against her will, so the least she can do is not tease him for having completely normal thoughts.

Hae-soo asks what he would do if she didn’t want to sleep with him, then. He says it’s simple: He’d just go sleep in his room. Even if he would be disappointed, what else could he do if she refused?

“Then just go to sleep. Because I refuse,” she answers. By way of apology, she plants a light kiss on his mouth, and while Jae-yeol tries to keep his cool, he can’t help but get a little into it. He’s resigned but accepting when she pulls away to give him a chaste goodnight hug. I hope he likes his showers cold.

They spend the next day sightseeing and taking pictures of each other at all the best scenic spots, including the cliff where she’d wanted to take her dad. (Darn you, Okinawa PPL!) It’s cute how Hae-soo notices that he wants to play in the water, and how he tries to act like he’s so above it out of deference to her hatred of water when he really, really wants to.

While he runs off with a silly grin on his face to go water skiing after gaining Hae-soo’s permission, Sunbae Jo attempts to get to the root of Jae-bum’s rage issues during their prison therapy session. Jae-bum just says it’s because he really, really hates his mom.

However, he challenges Sunbae Jo on his preconceived notions regarding prisoners when he asks whether every man who’s stolen or used violence end up committing murder. “Not always,” Sunbae Jo admits. “Then there’s a possibility I didn’t,” Jae-bum returns.

His solution to this problem? He wants Sunbae Jo to either administer truth serum to him in order to prove his story, or never return.

Soo-kwang is sweating after laboring to clean So-nyeo’s house of all the junk her father compulsively hoards (because of course), and gives her an outfit even though he knows she’ll use it to go clubbing with her boyfriend. She makes sure to stress that she’s considered a legal adult now, too.

But Soo-kwang isn’t there for thanks, since he tells her that the reason he came was to clean out his lingering feelings for her the same way he cleaned her house. Still, he can’t help but ask her ridiculous-looking boyfriend if he’s happy because he gets a young girl to take him clubbing with money she earned.

Her boyfriend balks at Soo-kwang’s audacity, then looks to So-nyeo as he asks if this is the guy with Tourette’s she’d talked about. OUCH. Ouuuuch. Poor Soo-kwang holds in his embarrassment and anger in well as he turns around only to thank So-nyeo for helping him get rid of any remaining feelings he had for her.

After Hae-soo tears into him for worrying her by being so reckless (and admits how much she likes him in the process), they share their thoughts about their chosen professions. He explains how he’d have no reason to live if he couldn’t write, while she explains that being a doctor is also her reason for living, and a way for her to understand others, her mom, and most of all, herself.

But when she asks why he writes such cruelty-filled novels, he replies that he’s just writing about the human condition, where god gives people terrible situations they can’t handle. He then mentions how he likes having these serious conversations with Hae-soo, only for her to fall back on that same refrain: “Why? Can you not talk about things like this with other women?” Lordy, Hae-soo. You have more of a one-track mind than he does.

Coincidentally (or not), Jae-yeol hasn’t had much luck trying to write on this trip, and answers a phone that Hae-soo doesn’t hear ringing—because it’s Kang-woo, and it’s not real. Kang-woo is just calling to check on him though, and does his best to hide the symptoms of his ongoing vague illness while claiming that his finger-stiffening issue is just due to him always writing.

While Jae-yeol enjoys a fun date with Hae-soo, Kang-woo is left all alone as he struggles to fight back tears. Jae-yeol believes Kang-woo’s lie and tells Hae-soo he was cleared by the doctors, which she considers a relief, since Kang-woo’s symptoms initially made her think of Lou Gehrig’s disease. Eek. That can’t be good for Jae-yeol.

At least we get a little more information on Kang-woo, and specifically how Jae-yeol “met” him for the first time after Jae-bum stabbed him with a fork. Hae-soo smiles when he explains that he’s so protective of Kang-woo because he reminds him of himself as a young boy, and adds, “I like you.” Jae-yeol: “I like you too.”

Of course, she warns him against letting his hands drift anywhere below shoulder level, causing him to let out this long, sexually-frustrated sigh. She, on the other hand, is fine as she launches into a story about Soo-kwang’s awkward first kiss, since eating shaved ice reminds her—…

Jae-yeol swoops in, mid-sentence, to kiss her and drink the shaved ice from her mouth. He smacks his lips after, all satisfied, only for Hae-soo to get up and angrily stomp off. Not the reaction he expected.

Aww, Dad is so happy to see pictures of Hae-soo at the place she always wanted to take him, which apparently Mom acquired directly from Jae-yeol behind Hae-soo’s back. Sneaky.

When Hae-soo asks if Jae-yeol is upset about how she reacted to his kiss, he assures her that he isn’t—however, he’s going to start applying his golden rule about giving as good as he gets. If she touches him, he’ll touch back, because it’s unfair to him that she can put her hands wherever she wants while he can’t do the same.

Hae-soo tries to argue that he doesn’t have the same boundaries as she does, but it’s useless when Jae-yeol’s response is that they can just maintain an equal distance from each other. Unless she allows him to return what she gives, they might as well have a nun holding a ruler between them. (“Make room for Jesus!”)

Hae-soo finally gets a taste of the frustration she’s been giving Jae-yeol when he puts his rule into action. She’ll be getting no affection for free from now on, and I gotta admit, it is kind of funny watching how she reacts when the tables are turned.

She tries every conceivable card imaginable, from being injured to purposefully leaving food on her face for him to remove for her. He cites the boundaries she brought up as the reason he can’t—under her logic, taking that one grain of rice off her face might lead to him jumping her bones. So he doesn’t, which, hah.

Hae-soo is in shock when Jae-yeol prepares to leave her to go for a night swim, especially when all of her attempts to get him to stay are met with his mercenary-like terseness. “You’re mean,” she finally pouts.

Jae-yeol: “That’s right. I’m mean, and you’re cruel. After coming to a place like this, looking at a beautiful woman like you all night without being able to touch you is very cruel from my perspective.”

After an unsuccessful attempt to sleep, Hae-soo musters the courage to go to Jae-yeol, who’s swimming in the ocean like he said he’d be. She beckons him back to shore and smiles at him, leaving the moment ripe for him to swoop in for a kiss. She gladly returns it.

They move to a blanket on the sand, where Jae-yeol slowly undresses Hae-soo, who smiles despite being covered in beads of nervous sweat. Once they’re both free from their clothing and lying with him on top, Jae-yeol gently asks, “Are you okay?”

“I’m okay,” she reassures him. They kiss.

 
COMMENTS

…And presumably do some other things. As you could probably see from my masterful handling of business-time wordsmithery up there, I have no future in the romance novel business, which I have to admit I’m pretty okay with. I’m genuinely sorry to anyone who hoped to relive Hae-soo and Jae-yeol’s pivotal lovemaking scene in print form, though. I’d say I erred on the side of caution so as not to make the scene seem cheesy, but c’mon—sex on a beach under the light of the full moon? I’m a recapper, not a magician.

I’m not sure if knowing that this was the endgame would’ve helped the overall pace of the episode, which felt excessively weighted when so much time was dedicated to Hae-soo and Jae-yeol’s cerebral foreplay (brought to you by Okinawa, the perfect resort getaway). Even if theirs isn’t the kind of spark to set our screens on fire, there’s value in watching two people who’ve simply chosen to be together actually get to be together, especially when the only obstacles they faced was themselves. And, possibly down the road, a severe neurodegenerative disease.

As far as who had to overcome the most mental hurdles, I’d say Hae-soo definitely wins, even if I’m not quite sold on this particular case of sexual healing (brought to you by Okinawa, the perfect resort getaway). It’s difficult because I definitely get her without getting her, since her behavior tends to be the most puzzling out of all the characters—and that includes a maniac who stabbed his brother with a fork. But it’s fair that we can’t always predict where she’s going when she’s more or less forcing herself into situations of spontaneity, and especially when she’s a psychiatrist who can’t even peg herself down properly.

So on the one hand, I could understand Jae-yeol’s frustration with Hae-soo in wondering why she went on the trip if she wanted to stay close, but not too close. He defended his thought processes clearly and explained himself fairly, but it doesn’t do much to sugarcoat the fact that he wanted to sleep with Hae-soo and—despite being on his best behavior as an honest gentleman—felt that her going on the trip with him was already some form of acquiescence on her part. Because otherwise, like he asked, what was she there for?

The thing is, that’s exactly the sort of thinking that made Hae-soo so hesitant to go on a vacation with him in the first place. She refused the offer initially because she knew what going would imply, or at least what avenues it would open, and was completely justified in those concerns because Jae-yeol proved her right. But if he was going to basically outwit her into sleeping with him, I wish we could’ve seen things from her perspective just a bit more, especially since she changed a method of thought she’s held for her entire adult life. Or maybe it was just as simple as Jae-yeol perceived it to be, and he taught Hae-soo a valuable(?) lesson on the pitfalls of moderation by withholding any of him until she wanted all of him. So… mazel tov?

 
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Sex on the beach under the light of the full moon? For someone who is so afraid of sex and intimacy she is certainly going all out. I live right on the beach and the thought has never entered my mind. Little crabs, itchy sand, people walking at night...not romantic.

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Most puzzling in all of this is that it's her first time...OUCH!

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You know what'd be funny?

If that ending part was all Jae-yeol imagining it.

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More interesting if it were Hae-soo imagining it, though! Ha.

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Well they did it! Or should I say she did it! Thank you Okinawa, gosh I hope they(or just HS) won't regret this. You never know with her mood swings plus what drama is this drama has for us in the future.
Love this couple to pieces, but they're about to break my heart badly.
Nothing else coherent to say at this hour(almost midnight here). Thanks Heads!

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There's definitely potential for regrets. It probably also depends on how quickly it becomes public throughout their inner circle because the sudden open discussion/evaluation about/of their sex life could easily become something to be very upset about -- especially if she herself has not quite figured out what the hell happened and how she exactly feels about it. Since there are already so many points for conflict, though, I hope they won't go there or at least not push it to the extreme.

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While I was reading comments on this thread someone mentioned an important fact. HS has been ready to get past her anxiety long before she met JY. I totally forgot that she got a hotel key from her ex bf where they would spend the night/celebrate their 300th anniversary! But thankfully she had found out right on time what a cheating douche bag he is.
I was afraid that betrayal would worsen her trauma but I guess JY and love is what she needed!

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I feel a bit uncomfortable about the sex as well. It seems to me that this is a result of Jae-yeol manipulation. Hae soo seems not ready but Jae-yeol keep"pushing" her by telling her she's cruel and finally blackmailing her into having sex with him or he won't accompany her for the rest of the trip. So she either have to give him what he want or he gonna make his trip sucks. It seems like a forced sex to me.

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Por el contrario a mi me parece que el escenario es adecuado a un acercamiento intimo, la verdad ella quiere; y el es claro...
Me alegro que no se dejara manipular de ella, el sexo es parte de los acuerdos y responsabilidades a asumir en pareja , de el se debe hablar ; es lo más terapéutico y además de debe hacer... eso es ser consecuente..

La playa es genial, acaso un buen momento dura tanto como para que todo el mundo mire, eso se puede hacer rapidito.

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Personally, I interpreted his going to the beach as simply presenting her with his own rules. The way she asserted her control by putting up boundaries, he responded in kind by making his own wishes clear and acting on them (going to the beach) -- also in direct contrast to his sexual desires because, as he states, mutual consent is paramount.

I definitely get how one can come to your conclusion, however, because this is a very tricky, sensitive subject that shouldn't be disregarded too easily. Since I always interpreted their relationship as based on equality and mutual respect, I guess the thought of him manipulating her simply never crossed my mind. Next week's episode will probably make it clearer how she felt about it.

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It's not forced sex. She consented and she's no pushover.

He wasn't going to make the trip suck – certainly no more than her making it suck by kissing him whenever she felt like it, and then telling him that he couldn't kiss her when he felt like it. Plus, if it sucked so much, she could have always made the choice to leave.

They are adults. They are capable of making choices. No one is forcing anyone here.

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guess u have never been guilt tripped by a parent into doing something u don't really like by the famous "I know u don't like it but do it for me; if you love me!"
So if u look at it as him giving her the choice of having all him or he is going to be an ass or an unpleasant being, maybe they can even break up if she is annoyed; then yes. I agree that he kindda emotionally blackmailed her. He knows fully well that she likes her yet he gives her a choice between bad and worse (accept his cranky self and if she doesn't like him being that way, they may as well break up or concede with him for him to return to his old self).
However I don't think that's what he did. although as he confessed his mind is filled with thoughts of sleeping with her (which is by the way in direct contrast to what he said in last episode: "Do you go to trips to make a move? You just go to sight-see!"), he does it because he is just frustrated and can't seem to figure her out which I gotta agree with. He did this before when he threw the wine in her face. So might as well be his way of making the other person know how weird, assy, rude, frustrating they are!

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They are adults, not parent and child, nor in some sort of relationship with an unequal power dynamic. I don't find anything in the drama so far that gives me the impression that Hae-soo is simply going to do what others want to her to do, that she lets herself be guilt-tripped / manipulated / blackmailed / forced into something. Or that Jae-yeol would do any such things. Nor that one of them is in a state that they can't consent (e.g. drunk or drugged).

He never said "If you don't have sex with me, you don't love me" but "I want to have sex with you because I'm in love with you and I don't know any other way of expressing that feeling. If you know another way, tell me." He isn't being cranky – he's actually mirroring her actions. She threw the wine first. She also said "Should we break up" first.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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The parent child thing was an obvious example of showing how this kinda dynamic goes by and it's not only limited to childhood. even adults can be manipulated emotionally if the right strings are pulled.
And dear I actually think we AGREE on this matter cause I mentioned if u saw his actions in a certain way, u could interpret it as blackmail HOWEVER I don't think that's what he did here. though i brought the wine scene as an example, I failed to mention that (as you said) he is mirroring her actions cause I though or as the guy himself said is "giving back as good as he gets".

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Wait, they just had some heavy kissing and a bit of taking clothes off under the moonlight. Who said anything about actually doing the deed?

We will find out in the next episode...

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She just took off her robe. She is still obviously wearing clothing. All we know for sure is that her robe is off her shoulders, and he has finally taken his wet t-shirt off.

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I'm actually fine with the sex on the beach scenario -- I feel like he called her bluff on every manipulative bs scenario she set up for him (remember Kwang Soo told him about her modus operandi -- kissing but that's it). He seems to me to be very connected to his feelings for her even as he avoids thinking about the boy who keeps popping up. I like him both as a man and a person, and can definitely see why she likes him ... it's not just that he takes her out of her own head, she likes how she is when she is with him: more open, more free, more honest. She is smart enough to see that he is good for her, and vulnerable enough to fall for him. I may love this couple more than any other I have seen in a k-drama.

Props to the writer for giving us two real people who are believable professionally, personally, and dramatically.

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What ever HS trauma is it allowed her to kiss and touch JY as much as she wanted and where she wanted but set boundary's for him alone. All he did is say this is unfair if you have a no touch rule then I will too.

How does that ruin the trip? Why should he allow himself to be her plaything but when he wants to play it's all no, no, no.

If you have no intention of sleeping with a man you should also not tease the man. It's OK for her to drape herself all over him but the moment he responds in kind it's don't touch me here, don't touch me there.

All he did was say I get it, so we won't touch each other.

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Sigh. This ep I don't know. I watch IOIL, but I'm not in love with it.
I don't understand this ep. So her anxiety stopped just like that?
He knew she had this anxiety prob, I expected him to be a bit more patient with her.

And don't even get me started on Soo Kwang and his underage love. Even if she's now an adult, he had clearly been after her before she was one. How is that acceptable?

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I agree. I'm not in love with this drama either.

I started this drama and stuck with it mainly for Gong Hyojin because I've seen every single one her drama ever since Pasta and I love her dramas.

BUT! I'm not really impressed with IOIL. Actually, I like the whole premise/plot of the drama but it's the dialogue I don't like. There's something about the dialogue, I just can't stand it sometimes. I also think the scenes with the patients are not really necessary for this drama.

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The dialogue makes me cringe sometimes too. Does she really need to keep saying "you're my style" so much? Some of their talks in earlier episodes are supposed to sound intelligent and profound too. I just roll my eyes and skip.

Hae Soo is also kind of an inconsistent character. I oscillate between hating her and liking her. I wish it was more like than dislike though. And I think I only like her because I Absolutely love Gong Hyo Jin. The writer did a much better job with Jae Yeol's character. He also gets the best lines and is a far more sympathetic character.

And despite saying all this, I still am too addicted to this drama to quit. I am just maintaining high hopes it'll get better and Hae Soo's character will be less annoying.

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The pace of the story is a bit too slow for my liking and it seems like they could drag this drama on forever.

Nonetheless it does reflect real life there is no real beginning and real life drags on and things don't always end with a conclusion.

This is however not what I want to see in a drama. I have enough of this in real life - give me quirky characters, impossible scenarios, lots of romance and a happy ending. No fatal disease, birth secrets, amnesia episodes, or a frigid OTP!

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About "...the scenes with the patients are not really necessary for this drama." In my opinion they are not necessary, BUT they are quite parallel to the main topic in the episode. For instance, the episode wherein the mother was imagining she had her baby in her arms. In that part of the episode we instantly get a big hint that Kang-woo is only imaginary. Because of this, I actually even try to guess what the writer is trying to convey with every psychiatric patient's issue. There are other patient scenarios I thought was parallel to the main story, but I'm too sleepy now to be able to recall them all.
Sorry if I had to disagree with you on this, but I had been meaning to commend the writer's effort of complementing the main story with the patients' stories. I also want to commend the writer for the dialogue, but that's a matter of preference so it's not necessary to go there.

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There's really no need to apologize for disagreeing with me. ;)

I know the writers are trying to incorporate the patients' stories and make relations with the main plot line. I just think that it was done in a rather poor and uninteresting way. I watch a lot of medical dramas and in those type of dramas, I always feel interested in the patients. And I like how each case in usually well woven with the main storyline. I don't really think the execution was done really well in IOIL and that's why I find those parts somehow unnecessary. I don't think they bring much to the drama if that makes sense.

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I beg to differ with u guys. Not all cases are the same n some r unique not forgetting our own different personalities. So just put ur shoes in this particular character n enjoy the drama. I personally think it's an opportunity to get to know such characters n learn one or two things.

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Ok its love could be renamed
ok its bore or
ok I,m lost
this drama is sinking due to the bad script and this episode is a mess without any cohesion

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I'm hoping that this is some kind of dream or something because you're right her anxiety was overcome pretty easily. I was already confused by the teasing because to me it seems odd that someone who has a fear of physical intimacy would be so teasing. It seems that she would instinctively avoid situations and unnecessary contact. So if she actually found the courage to touch him it would have more meaning than she just feels flirty or testing his resolve.
I do like the show and overall though and the discussions here.
Thank you for the recap HeadsNo2! :)

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So kissing and hugging is teasing? Why can't a kiss be just a kiss because she likes him?

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No, I agree, I definitely feel that hugging, kissing or holding hands etc would not be considered teasing on its own. But she was sending mixed signals by being affectionate with him, but not allowing him to be affectionate with her, then ridiculing his frustration. I would have felt better if she explained or indicated that she feels more comfortable when she is in control of the affection because that makes sense rather than belittling his attempts at affection.

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Thanks for elaborating and I definitely agree.

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You are a better psychiatrist than she is.

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she placed her hand on his thigh, fingers touching the inner thigh.the camera deliberately lingered on her hand and JY looking at HS's hand .
if thats not teasing i don't know what is.

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All along, HS has acknowledged her fear of intimacy and that she is doing everything she can to overcome it. I think that one of her coping mechanisms is to maintain a position of power in a relationship, setting all the rules and initiating all of the action. In this way, it becomes more like an exercise or a clinical trial, and she can convince herself she is safe. But JY calls her on this, on how unfair it is for her to set all the rules, and this in turn makes HS want him more...she can respect him and see how strong he is.
Whether she can go past a snuggle and kiss on the beach, we dont know yet. How long it will be before she realizes what lies beneath his calm, assured exterior, we don't know yet. They still have a long way to go, both physically and emotionally.

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Maybe we shouldn't conclude from the end of the episode that she lost all her anxiety and rather see it as the realization that Jae-yeol and that what they *could* have is worthy working through all the fear and potential shame?

It's at least the interpretation that I prefer. Because love isn't about safety or control. The worry she displayed at the beach after seeing his tiny injuries, for example, that is just the beginning of how this relationship will continuously affect and change her. So she decides to take a leap of faith. Was it the right decision? We'll see. And aren't relationships once in a while all about taking chances on someone?

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Exactly. Totally with this. Just because she slept with him once doesn't mean her issue has been completely fixed so easily. Didn't she say in the previews that she wanted them to have more 'treatments' together in bed - to treat her intimacy issues and his.

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This is the order in which I watch Wed-Thurs dramas:
IOIL
FTLY
JG
-sorry Junki oppa but am team JIS just this once : ( This drama is just crack man, can they do S2 pls? Don't want it to end!

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out of curiosity, which one's JG?

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nvm, Joseon gunman, of course!

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I made a good faith effort to get into Gunman -- but have completely fallen for Night Watchman instead -- what's not to love about a poetry-spounting awesome swordsman?

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"brought to you by Okinawa, the perfect resort getaway"
lolzzz

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Thanks for the recap, HeadsNo2! "Cerebral foreplay" is really the perfect despription for this episode. Less cerebral at the end, of course, but I also thought that you covered that part quite nicely. I particularly liked the wording "covered in beads of nervous sweat" because, to me, it expressed everything that needed to be said. And after all, I'm not here to be spoon-fed purple prose. :)

I loved both Jae-yeol and Hae-Soo in this episode, as individuals as well as a couple. While I definitely agree with Jae-yeol's assessment that one-sided rules and mixed signals are a dealbreaker, it was enormous fun seing this playful, teasing side of Hae-Soo.

Even more interesting to was how, during the course of the episode, it quickly becomes clear to which degree her anxiety is actually in charge of her. Hae-soo's cliché assumptions about Jae-yeol's dating behavior -- or dating and sex in general -- and the quick, superficial judgements thrown at the women in his past as well as the small attempt at shaming Jae-yeol for opening up about his desires wonderfully demonstrated her deep insecurity and naivety in these matters. Oversimplifying (and hereby often misinterpreting) complex concepts abates the anxiety and gives a false sense of control. (And I won't go on about how it is generally ingrained in a lot of young girls and women to be afraid and/or disgusted of and by their own body/sexuality. Or how her perception of him as a player of course also influences Hae-Soo's judgement.)

Honestly, I was very happy, almost impressed, when Jae-yeol didn't ridicule her for these views or her inexperience, as a typical male lead probably would have done, but instead simply argued his point instead of putting her feelings and experiences into question or under too close scrutiny because that would've been very hurtful and needlessly cruel to her. While she herself might have been indeed cruel (or just unobservant?) in some aspects of her behavior, I see it more as a matter of ignorance, hence forgivable. Plus, Jae-yeol should know better by now. Another thing that greatly impressed me about their scenes were the yearning and vulnerability practically radiating from Jae-yeol in waves. And how they, despite this, still seemed to speak two very different languages: he emphasizing sensuality whereas she mostly focussed on the raw mechanics of human sexuality, thereby condemning it to something animalistic and disgraceful. Hae-soo's lack of awareness of herself as a sexual being was somehow very touching for me to watch, especially in direct juxtaposition with the obvious overflow of tender, sexual emotions within Jae-yeol. Kudos to Jo In-sung, by the way, that was pure and utter deliciousness.

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I almost feel bad for giving into this episode (and Jae-yeol's POV) so easily. It simply felt too good to ignore the subtle horror lurking underneath that perfect facade of a trip, so far away from a world of daily troubles and obligations. Not only will our two protagonists soon have to face the everyday routine of being a couple, but now it's only a matter of time until Hae-soo realizes that sleeping in a bathtub is probably the least of Jae-yeol's problems. Not to mention what the collapse of his whole reality, maybe even his self-conception will mean and bring to him. I guess now it's the best time to form a prayer circle if you are a person inclined to do so.

My worst prediction for the future: Jae-yeol has a deadly disease. Two scenarios spring to mind: (1) Mom has known about it all along and that's why she let Jae-Bum go to prison. She simply wanted Jae-yeol to savor the precious time he has left in freedom. (2) Jae-yeol 's disease (or mental deterioration) will also be the reason why Jae-Bum can finally forgive him. Either because this knowledge will put the things in his past in perspective or because it makes his plans for revenge become null and void. I mean, where is the fun in hurting an already dying man?

I am pretty much convinced we will soon see a role reversal between Jae-yeol and Hae-soo when the romance theme finally shifts to a more psychological one. Jae-yeol is the player of this show, thus as "romantic expert" he can guide Hae-soo to a better understanding of herself and her desires. It should be self-explanatory that she, in her function as a psychiatrist, probably will do a similar thing later on once the severity of his problems comes to light. Also, would such a development maybe bring her closer to her mother, learning firsthand how hard and exhausting caring for a partner can be?

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Remaining questions/bits:
• No condoms?
• Do we really need to see more of Jae-yeol's and Hae-soo's exes? I would totally support it if the main point were how you can still be friendly after a break-up, but... no please. I hope the letter doesn't hold any deeper meaning. Sigh.
• I really like Soo-kwang and think that he's incredibly well-acted. However, I do enjoy him way more with the gang than his potential love interest. This may have to do with the fact that I'm still not sure what exactly she's supposed to be, whereas the friends deliver an amazing, captivating dynamic in basically every scene. Plus, I hate seeing him hopelessly chasing after somebody who doesn't even care enough to treat him with the respect he deserves. And even if his sincerity can win her over in the end, then she'd better do some real maturing. Still, I can see why a side plot about her father might be interesting. And it could also explain why she behaves the way she does?
• Out of curiosity: I would really love to see Sunbae Jo's wife. Just because I want to know which woman would willingly put up with him. (Granted, she lives in another country, but still.)
• What does Jae-yeol usually talk about with his women?
• Again, I LOVE this show's main couple: their chemistry; their frank, snappy conversations; how physical they are with each other; their growing level of intimacy; Jae-yeol's willingness to display his vulnerabilities so openly, that's something you rarely see from a guy, not just in any K-drama but in general.
• One last thing: I already enjoyed Gun pining for his Snail in FTLY -- mostly because of the hysterical delivery -- but THIS pining was otherwordly. I really felt for Jae-yeol (as if I needed any more reasons!). The barely masked lust, the frustration, and always that tiny piece of tentative hope... I could understand both to a certain degree and had some pretty conflicting emotions during several scenes, but I guess that's what personal viewing experience is about. Intensity and all. This drama is killing me and I can't stop gushing.

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• No condoms?

He might have bought some. Or had some on him anyway. Let's just presume they had safe sex.

• Do we really need to see more of Jae-yeol’s and Hae-soo’s exes?
No we don't.... I'll take JY's if she's there not in any 'triangle' function but just to reveal facts about his past/his imagining things.

• I really like Soo-kwang and think that he’s incredibly well-acted. However, I do enjoy him way more with the gang than his potential love interest.

100% agree. Even if she ends up having a relevant story, she's too much of a stereotype character for me.

• What does Jae-yeol usually talk about with his women?

Nothing. They don't talk.

• Again, I LOVE this show’s main couple: their chemistry; their frank, snappy conversations; how physical they are with each other; their growing level of intimacy; Jae-yeol’s willingness to display his vulnerabilities so openly, that’s something you rarely see from a guy, not just in any K-drama but in general.

Yes, yes, yes. Me tooooooo!

• I really felt for Jae-yeol (as if I needed any more reasons!).

I did too! I felt for him, although in real life I would have turned him down – even without an issue like HS's. They have been together for how many days? It's too soon in my book. But that doesn't mean I can't understand that in his book he might be feeling differently.

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Didn't Jae-yeol say something like: "You should hear me talking to other women?" I wasn't sure if that was just him teasing her or what he referred to exactly, that's why I included the question re: his women. Because somehow I could see him having these sort of conversations with other people, not necessarily lovers though.

(Here I am now cracking up about a mental picture of Jae-yeol sitting down next to complete strangers and going on and on about his personal views on love and sex. And the really sad thing is: I'd so watch that.)

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Oh, he did say that.

I'm just teasing you here – you know, they don't talk, they only ... you know what. ;-)

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@alua: Please have mercy! I tend to be a little slow when I'm all stupidly excited... :(

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No, my fault, I should have added a smilie – tone of voice is hard to convey on the internet.

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I think Sunbae Jo's wife is shown in episode 1.

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Thank you so much for letting me know! I guess I have to rewatch then. :)

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1) No condoms? (for the curious)
So I was browsing facebook when a post from a drama-page popped up describing this episode and foreshadowing scenes. As I scrolled through the pictures I found a screenshot of the scene (not recapped) when Jae-yeol goes shopping and sees a container with a red design on front. He spends several seconds lingering in front of it (I could understand why it wasn't recapped because I also thought the scene wasn't meaningful) and the drama cuts to the next scene, where he puts a new-band aid on Hae-soo's forehead. I thought the container had band aids in it, but when I studied the picture I realized that the red design is of a condom, not a random cartoon monster, which makes absolute sense considering what happens later on... so safe sex?

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I am very much happy to see someone point out some of the the same predictions I had in mind.

The one thing I've observed in this series is that maybe for one the mother knows Jae Yeol had a progressive disease- I reckon it is ALS a.ka. Lou Gehrig's disease (very much the same as Hae-Soo's dad's illness) that is why she prevented her son from wasting his decaying life in prison.

It's highly possible for Jae Yeol's brother to forgive him and his mom as soon as he finds out about his younger brother's condition. A moment of genuine love and compassion may bring out he best in his character

And I feel like I need to somewhat prepare my self for a tragic or bittersweet ending.

Maybe Hae-Soo ENDS up becoming like her mom, when her love for Jae Yeol surpasses his future condition that is much like her dad's.

"Where could a flower be when it blooms without wavering, It's okay, that love." :)

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I already read your predictions further down and I'm happy I'm not the only one getting these ideas!

Having said this, this scenario kind of feels too on the nose for me, with her ALS remark and all. Somehow it doesn't feel right and I still expect this show to have major surprises in store for us. Guess we'll have to wait and see. But, no matter what, I'm sure the ending will be, as you say, at least bittersweet.

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Thanks for your in-depth analysis (including parts 2 & 3 of your comment). You saved me from writing a long one by putting into words what I had in mind. I couldn't agree with you more--on just about everything you said about the characters, what you enjoy about this drama, questions yet to be answered, and what you fear may come next. Again, thanks. It's always great to learn someone appreciates this drama as much as I do (though I must admit, it was the lead actors--JIS & GHY--who drew me to this drama like a magnet).

Many thanks to HeadsNo2 as well for the recap!

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Thanks for your kind words! I'm almost embarrassed about how much I enjoy this drama, to be honest. It's also the first show I watched with both actors, but by now I'm passionately in love with Gong Hyo-jin as a performer. She's absolutely phenomenal and I already started greedingly rifling through some of her other works. Jo In-sung and Jang Jae-yeol didn't click immediately with me, but I'm definitely excited to see more of his acting.

And yes, it feels so carthatic to know that others see what I see and that I'm not completely crazy in loving this little show to bits! If I could, I would hug all of you. Seriously. So. many. emotions. Wahhh!

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HUGS back....
Yes, I, too, want to tell you that I enjoy reading your comments- in depth and yet succinct...and very " hit right on the head " way.
I think this drama is not the usual giggly, swoony romantic( but definitely heading melo) drama. I have to admit IOIL has a very cerebral, adult theme- life is different from what we see on tv! It might not be everyone's cup of tea but I( slowly) appreciate( & am a bit afraid( since I know the hammer will drop SOON on the melo part)) this drama.

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Yes, hugs! :)

That's the funny thing: Even though this drama is not like the others, it makes me swoon and giggle all the same. I'm basically on the mental level of an over-excited puppy after each episode, it's not even funny anymore. Maybe that's just what it feels like to see people on TV who really resonate with you?

This is also why I hope the melo part will not completely break my heart. I want to see Jae-yeol's fight and struggle and *triumph* (even if it's only partial). And while I get that life's not fair -- and even if you succeed in overcoming your mental health issues, you still can have a fatal disease or get hit by a car -- it just feels too cruel for every little glimpse of happiness the show has already given us. :(

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Ama - thank you for this. You're brilliant & this comment was eyeopening. I have anxiety issues similar to that of HS, but not for the same reasons. When you said the bit about her being so focused on the sexual mechanics, rather than sensuousness, I could relate.

Also, how you mentioned the part you "won't go into about how it is generally ingrained in a lot of young girls and women to be afraid and/or disgusted of and by their own body/sexuality," why not elaborate? I'm sure people could really use your thoughts on this. Sex anxiety for young women/and women in general is probably a common thing...but I've never heard someone mention it the way you have. Can you elaborate?

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It's OK for Hae Soo not to sleep with Jae Yul when they went on vacation together, what I didn't like was how she teased him, got him all hot and bothered, without allowing him to reciprocate and I'm glad Jae Yul called her out on it. Hae Soo was really being a tease, and a brat about the hotel rooms (there is such a thing as taking feminine equality too far) especially when it threatens to ruin your vacation. I would say that Jae Yul was being remarkably patient with her. Thankfully, they were able to reach a compromise about the rooms.

Poor Jae Bum, at least we now know his violent tendencies didn't come from nowhere. With a mother who tells him to go and die, it's no wonder that he hates Jae Yul with the intensity a scorned child would feel towards his more favored sibling. I wonder if this dynamic contributed to Jae Bum's abuse of his doenseng for all those years and why Jae Yul took those beatings calmly. To be fair to their mom, she probably had a lot on her plate, her being an abused wife with a violent son, but I wonder why she stayed with her abusive spouse instead of leaving him.

I was right about Hae Soo's mom just wanting her daughter to be happy in a fulfilling relationship. The scenes of her and Hae Soo's dad admiring the pictures Jae Yul sent, were very cute.

Doctor Lee...It's a little too late. Sunbae Jo has a valid point, he can't divorce his current wife and abandon his kids simply because he still has feelings for his ex, which begs the question why she couldn't confess her feelings eons ago when they could still salvage their relationship, maybe it would be better if they don't see each other socially, anymore.

Poor Kwang woo, the more fulfilling Jae Yul's love life is, the more he will start to disappear from Jae Yul's subconscious. I predict that he may end up dying. Which would be a good thing for Jae Yul, however, the possibility of Jae Yul having ALS is scary. Fervently hoping the drama doesn't go that route.

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As much as it would kill me (and all of us), I wouldn't mind if the writer goes the route of ALS, either with JY dying or him having to rely on HS for his care. It takes guts to write a more realistic ending, rather than going to the typical Korean way of happy endings.

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I think there are quite a good number of k-melodramas that end with death, so for me this would be a kind of typical ending.

Fatal diseases is a trope – if he has one and that's the ending, it would seem like a trope to me here too. Simply because JY has plenty on his plate already and doesn't require any more tragic twists, his mental issues are enough for them to have something for a realistic, not straightforward happy-ever-after ending. More tragedy seems contrived to me, handling the mental issues realistically I would find a more daring move on part of the writers.

(There are dramas that use fatal illnesses without it becoming a trope. I'd give the Japanese Hours of My Life as an example of that.)

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so mama had quite a temper back then,,,, wonder how she let her husben beat her and her children then...allowing them to fear for their lives enought to kill him in self defense.... if you can't tell mom irritates me, She had such a temper! but couldn't speak for her son in court? honestly I don't know if its irresponsible writing or what but I would hate her too, and yes some might find this comment insensitive but, How can you have such a temper at the sons you allow your husbend to beat? if she had such fire in her how can I believe she allowed someone to do that? maybe i'm not making sense but I feel anger towards her

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Abusive situations are complicated. Abused people don't act in ways that are necessarily rational or normal. Some of the people that seem the "strongest" on the outside, may in fact be utterly powerless in another scenario with another person. Also, if you look into the profile of many abusers, you'll find that they were abused in the past. They can be both victims and perpetrators. (Some - many – are just victims of course.)

I'm not going to straight-out judge anyone in an abusive situation because from the outside it seems mind-boggling why these people don't just walk away / get help / defend themselves etc, but when you are in the middle of it, it's not that easy.

That said, I don't sympathise much with JY's mom – though she was abused, she clearly wasn't all good in the past. Her current self is the biggest question mark for me (possibly because it's not well written).

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I agree that I cannot speak for how a victem reacts or behaves, I have not flipping idea what they are going through on the inside, every case is different much like how people Grieve differently, but I still can't help but feel really angry with the mother

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Mom's flashback was really shocking. Her current behavior made me think she was always the timid (possibly submissive) type. That flashback showed she clearly was not. She was abusive of her eldest son, she even threw hot water on him! Now I question why she behaves like a saint... PTSD, guilt (maybe she killed the husband), or some other case. There's definitely more to it tho.

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An acquaintance of mine _disappeared_ after she tried to leave her abusive boyfriend. There are good reasons people don't leave abusive situations, some of them extremely reasonable. Especially if there are children involved.

All you can do is help those you may know, and remember to be thankful if your life is relatively uncomplicated.

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Give it some more time, and see if/when future eps reveal more of her.

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I highly doubt they had sex, probably just a heavy makeout session. It looks like she's still wearing her top atleast. If they did, I might just have to drop this show, it's unlikely that in a few days she got over her aversion to physical intimacy. So I hope for this show at least that they didn't sleep together

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It's a kdrama, they're not gonna get all naked (especially the ladies) even if they did have sex. The position at which they were filmed implies that they took things to the next level. I'm actually surprised they could film that on prime time tv knowing Korea's censorship of their dramas. In fact, the whole drama has been a surprise (pleasant) to me.

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Regardless of clothing present or not, it didn't cross my mind that they would have sex, at this point anyway. I think they're just testing her boundaries and he knows that she isn't ready for much more than kissing or heavy petting. Not to mention this would be her first time and though she may know the mechanics of it, he as her experienced partner needs to take care of her physically before and after the fact and I don't see that happening on a sandy beach.

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This whole drama is basically somebody at the network being all, "How can we get in on that whole TVN thing?"

Not that I'm complaining. I think TVN will end up bringing about some far improved programming from the networks.

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Hi firstly, Hae-Soo is not naked at the last scene, in the screencap you can see she is still wearing the white top.

So what I want to say is I didn't see Jae-yeaol manipulate her more like he put her in a situation where she coudl understand what he feels. I think in this relationship it is important to both of them to understand each other.

Secondly I am still not convinced they will actually have sex.
1. I feel that is too big of a jump for Hae Soo.
2. I would be really happy if actually we would see a relationship where the progression includes petting before sex. I heard sexual psychologist comment how people neglect it as well, and honestly I don'tt think I ever saw in a drama a couple just simply doing making out and petting (but trust me it is great!).
And I think for someone like Hae Soo, a light make out, with some sensual touching as a beginning would be more fitting than jumping to have sex just like that.

But eh, sinnce petting is usually really neglected -people either don't do anything or go all the way - , I only have a tiny little hope and agree they probably ended up having sex, and I too will feel weird about it.

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I think you're way underselling her agency in this decision. If they did have sex (and I really hope they did so we can move on with things) it's because that was the decision she made before she ever went down to the beach.I mean, come on, you don't longingly snuggle your comforter before going down to the beach to see your really hot, sexually frustrated boyfriend who's out night swimming because you're trying to avoid having sex with him. I don't really feel like he has pressured her, he's just called her out on some silly coy BS and invited her to own up to what she really wants.

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Thumbs up to your comment:)
Especially this part: "...I really hope they did so we can move on with things." Hahah! Me, too. Even if they end up doing it, healing isn't an overnight process. So let's get moving! Besides, it seems she's determined to overcome her phobia, as evident way back when she accepted the hotel key during the 300th day anniversary with her then two-timer-beau.

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Love this drama with all my heart.
That's all I have to say.

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I am now beginning to suspect that Mom was the killer...one of her sons made the initial injury, but Mom snapped and killed her abuser, which occurs in history of sustained domestic abuse.

I am also glad that Jae Yu calling out Hae Soo pattern of manipulation because pf her dis(ease). The fact that her roommates could describe her pattern of behavior once she kiss a guy was unnerving. It was only when he reverse her script that she recognized that maybe she was not the one playing fair.

I do not think that Jae Yu was seeking simply to score, but he likes her. He thinks she is bright, witty, sexy, and appreciates that she also has issues. A person who family is dysfunctional and can relate to his own personal and family's dysfunctions. I adore the way Jae Yu's eyes light out when he was talking about her with his Mom.

It would be lovely if they slept together, but not a big disappointment if they did not. Hae Soo was transformed during this vacation and she is one step closer in resolving some of her issues - that is reason enough to celebrate.

How cute were Jae Yu and Hae Soo during the arts and crafts....

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I completely agree! I don't think Jaeyeol manipulated Haesoo into sleeping with him. Just by observing his character, I think that he's moved by current situations - the 'now' - making the 'sex on the beach' NOT pre-planned or manipulative. Not that he didn't plan on sleeping with her upon coming to this trip. He asked her and made sure everything was okay. Haesoo's changing. Being with him, allows her to forget about her illness at spontaneous moments.

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Also, I want to imagine that Haesoo is a very different kind of girlfriend than what Jaeyeol's used to or have had in the past. I think he's madly infatuated by her - it's not obsessive and the same rules apply just like every other girl - but I'd like to think he hasn't really loved or been comfortable with anyone as much as her, which is why he's invited her to meet his mom.

Just a thought!

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Soo Kwang it's so nice and a really good guy, i feel so sad after he leaves the schoolgirl house, I would have liked to hug.

sorry my english its bad

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Totally agree. I want him to walk away and find a nice, fully-adult person who gets what makes him great. He's really quite funny and charming if you can overlook his illness.

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I'd love to see a customer come into his coffee talk and worm her way into his affections while he's pining away over his latest "lost love." He totally deserves a sweet girlfriend who has the patience to get to know the real him!

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I am really enjoying this drama. I feel like for the first half the writers are focusing our otp's relationship. This vacation is like the calm before the storm cause in case any of you forgot the police called jae yul's friend. Oh Oh. I honestly can't wait for the big reveal.

On a side note, did any of you hear about the chinese couple who had been married for seven years and couldn't conceive. After they went for a check up it seems the reason was they hadn't had sex. It seems they were both virgins and didn't know.

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Is that an asian joke? LOL I am serious.

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Lol. It's actually something that happened irl. Here's the link http://www.dramafever.com/news/married-couple-havent-had-sex-/

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I just read the article. OMG LOL!

Someone ought to loan them some romance novels, Playboy mags or something!

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OMG that's amazing!

They had no clue, and ans it's not like they're uneducated or something!

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Two heart-stopping moments in this episode: the mention of Lou Gehrig's disease (which can't be good) and Jae-yeol responding to the phone call that Hae-soo doesn't hear – the shit is going to hit the fan soon, isn't it?

I've got the same opinion on Sunbae Jo and his ex-wife as for the previous episode – they need to let go of each other. That's a very, very volatile relationship and the way they are acting I would say they actually need therapy. If either of them were my doctor and I saw them behaving like that, I would want to change doctors. Who are Sunbae Jo's wife & kids? Somehow I missed that part completely.

Kwang-soo: Poor guy. Really feel for him. I still think they are writing his character in the direction of a relationship with the schoolgirl, though I really rise they weren't. Even if she might have a deeper story, I think he deserves better than her.

As for our leads...

Loved Hae-soo's whole "going Dutch" with everything. Yes yes yes. I'm totally like that. I mean, I don't mind being treated but only if I get to treat too – I don't want the boy to be paying automatically or always. It's give and take. Also loved the fact that her room-downgrading and blasting the ridiculous car (because it was ridiculous!!!) because made a dig at basically every kdrama out there with showy houses, rooms, cars, clothing's etc. which 99% of the time are there completely unrealistic and just for the show.

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I also didn't mind that this episode focused so much on HS/JY's "cerebral foreplay". I thought it was refreshingly honest and realistic. Jae-yeol's lingering glance on the condom aisle was great (who ever thought such a moment would be possible in a kdrama?). Hae-soo was being a tease and asking for a lot much without being willing to give herself. I don't think she fully realised the effect of her behaviour at the first, but Jae-yeol's sexual frustration was very understandable. I don't think he was being too pushy or trying to "outwit" her. He was being respectful – he was honest how he felt, he accepted how she felt, he didn't force her, but set up some boundaries (which he has as much right to do as she does) and physically removed himself. The fact that his main motivation for the trip was to get her into bed – I don't blame him for that.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with wanting sex or a one night stand, just like there’s nothing wrong with remaining a virgin until marriage. Those are just personal preferences. The question is how to deal with that if you have a relationship between two people that have the opposite preferences. In this case, JY, the player, whose previous relationships were all sex, not love. That’s where he honestly stands at the moment. And Hae-soo at the other extreme, leaving a huge gap to be crossed. She needs to take steps towards sexual intimacy, he towards emotional intimacy (because, yes, love can be expressed in other ways than love making). I think both took some steps during this episode, and if they really did go all the way I don't see it as JY "winning" in this situation. If she really didn’t want to go through with it, I’m convinced she would have said no – she’s no pushover, not with sex or anything else. I also don’t think that HS having sex once is going to magically resolve her problem. She might continue to struggle. She might feel guilty afterwards. She’ll still have her mother “trigger” to resolve.

As for the cheesy: well, sometimes these situations are cheesy. My first kiss (at like 17) was totally cheesy: under full moon in the Grand Canyon. I both cringe and smile at the memory of that. :-D

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So let's just hope that she won't magically recover from her anxiety issues, yes? That would be terribly disappointing indeed, because I really long for an honest confrontation between her and her mother that gives us some insight into the latter's thoughts and feelings. I'm also fervently hoping they'll do a better job with her than with Jae-yeol's mom. That woman just completely eludes me.

And this might sound ridiculous, but while watching the episode's end didn't actually register as *that* cheesy with me. I'm only now realizing that it was perfect fluff and it amuses me to no end. You know, normally I tend to be averse to such things, but here... it just felt organic? I guess they managed to fool me all the way through and I happily ate it all up. Sneaky, sneaky show and their ridiculously awesome couple.

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I'm 99% sure that HS's issue won't be all done with, although I imagine JY's issue is soon going to become the primary focus (as it well should... it's time. I can't remember if it's a 16 or 20 ep drama, but, either way, we need to start tackling his much more complex issue).

Yeah, Jae-yeol's mom... eludes me and I just keep thinking that that is because she's not well written. Though I'm not sure about that either. Wasn't too pleased with her telling JY to stay with HS a looong time. She just met JY and has no clue about her. That seemed like a cut-and-paste phrase from another drama where pushy, clueless moms try to play matchmaker. I know there's a cultural element there, but it's just not the sort of thing I want to see in this drama.

It's super-cheesy, but it didn't occur to me either until HN2 pointed it out because I was just too distracted by everything else!

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I just do not not understand Jae-yeol's mom, I simply get nothing from her, it's perplexing.

And just a quick thought: let's assume the worst case scenario of Jae-yeol having a fatal disease, could she possibly have meant that comment as "for as long as he has left"? It probably doesn't fit the feeling of that scene, though, and I'm too tired to check right now.

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I agree with everyone who finds Jae-yeol's mom hard to read. She seems a little too calm and laid back to have experienced an abusive husband who also abused their children, who was then apparently killed by either one of his children or his wife. Then she allowed Jae-bum to go to jail without a word in his defense, which I would have expected from her even if he did kill his father. Later, that son attacked her younger son for the second time in recent history, and shows no remorse. It must be traumatizing for her to have her children at odds like that. She also obviously used to have a temper, which might have been her taking out her unhappiness on the weaker people around her.

So she has all of this trauma within her family, but none of it shows, and she almost seems out of touch with reality. Perhaps she has undergone counseling, or is on some heavy duty psychiatric drugs, but I find her current behavior kind of creepy. And if Jae-yeol does have some awful disease, and she is aware of that, then it's even weirder that she seems to buy into his "we're all going to live happily ever after when Jae-bum gets out of jail" routine. It's as though she is denying reality on many fronts.

Slightly off-topic, if she does know that Jae-yeol is dying of something, then I can see why she would want him to stop playing around and settle down. But the whole part of the episode where Hae-soo was at her house seemed a little off, like there was something going on behind the scenes that we weren't being told about. I can't put my finger on it, but it seemed weird that the couple spent so much time apart and alone with the mother. I guess I'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

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I like the Schoolgirl & Kwang Soo, im shipping them

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Sorry to disagree -- I just hate the whole idea of them as a couple -- and could not be more bored by her. Maybe she has a young mom who is at her wit's end on how to deal with this obnoxious kid. Let Kwand Soo have a real romance with this noona instead of the bratty kid.

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I don't think her mom is around, because after Soo-kwang cleaned up the house she said that her dad was just going to mess it up again because he thought that doing so would bring her mother back. And while I feel sorry for her, she's going about getting attention in all the wrong ways. I hope that Soo-kwang gets his doctor buddies to help straighten her out, while he finds someone a little more mature and grounded for himself!

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Thank you for the recap.

I honestly don't think Hae Soo and Jae Yeol slept together. I don't think she could go through with it.

I'm glad Jae Yeol asked Hae Soo how she is feeling before it began, in a way it did feel like Jae Yeol was pressuring her, but in a way I think Jae Yeol is helping her.

He's teaching her to understand how someone would feel if they were on the opposite end. It's cruel but we can see its working on Hae Soo because she is slowly advancing in her intimacy. But she isn't going any further.

And again we cannot interpret if Hae Soo is going to fast or doing to much especially with her anxiety symptoms with intimacy. It's her own pace and we don't know how to overcome this so we can't judge her.

And He's pretty much understanding about her situation and genuinely concern about her.

I hope the drama progresses more with her relationship, but not the sexual side. I'm really excited to see next episode where they address about Hae Soo fixing Jae Yeols OCD.

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Yes, i'm glad am not the only one that noticed it. seriously watsap with that + i've watched most if not all his dramas and a couple of running man episodes .oh and i had to repeat the kitchen scene with jy a few times because his laugh kept making me laugh

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Thanks for the recap!!

So happy that this episode was lighter after the hurtfest that was episode 7 (I cried so much out of frustration that Jae-yeol thought his brother's abuse was ok). I think the reasoning that her anxiety could be overcome easily is the thought process as HeadsNo2 mentioned. While that does make for some really romantic moments I don't think anxiety disorders work that way. If anything, the whole sex on the beach feeling may momentarily distract her but there will be consequences. Just my two cents!!

As for Soo Kwang, I'm happy he moved on.

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Thanks for the recap!

For the record, I don't think they could have had sex. She was still sweating while he was caressing her. That is only one of the symptoms, so that means her heart was pounding and she would have trouble breathing followed by nausea. Sex isn't two minute event. If they tried to complete the act, wouldn't she be throwing up on him during it if they ignored her panic? Yuck.

Also, while I appreciate that KW is an hallucination that could "die" as a result of JY healing, I wonder how he can exist on the screen if JY doesn't have him in mind. It is a tricky POV game they are playing. Meaning WE cannot possibly see him if JY's mind is occupied elsewhere. Perhaps later, when we find out that he is sick and possibly dying through JY, we can see him in a flashback, but not during. I am trying to make this make sense and write it more clearly, but this is the best I could do!

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I guess that depends on the level of anxiety. Right now I am really not sure: did they ever mention that she had panic attacks during romantic interaction before? Also, even if she does experience high levels of anxiety instead of "just" moderate ones -- which all the same would be a reason to avoid sexual situations entirely --, symptoms can vary from patient to patient.

And I think I get your second point, wondered about it myself because that scene didn't really work for me. Personally, I would have preferred if they had "recycled" one of the locations already visited during the trip (maybe one of these absurdly expensive hotel rooms?) for this scene because in my opinion the mere surreality of it would've better emphasized the point about it all being in Jae-yeol's head.

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I really don't know what to say about their lovemaking, that was fast? I guess. But I think I have to see next week's episodes to better understnd what happened, because for someone who has sex phobia,it is just unbelievable to be cured after a few kisses from Jae-yeol. Hae-soo has been with her ex for how many months and they probably did more kissing, but nothing happened.

Sunbae Jo's ex-wife really annoyed me in this episode. They have been divorced for 9 freaking years and he already has wife and children, and she's telling him she still needed him and wanted to be alone with him?What the hell, woman! And I wanted to slap So-nyeo, for hurting Soo Kwang. Poor him.

I still love this episode, I love Jae-yeol and Hae-soo couple so much. But the scene where Jae-yeol answered Kang-woo's call and him telling/asking Hae-soo if she didn't hear the ring, that made me sad and gave me goosebumps for some reason. I need to prepare some tissues for future use. :(

Thank you HeadsNo2 for another great recap. ^^

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As a viewer, I am more interested in JY as a character than I am with HS. YJ is an open book and I love that about him. He says it how it is, he doesn't call a dog a cat and a cat a dog nor does he beat around the bushes. But he's also considerate and respectful to other's feelings and views.

I can understand JY's frustration at HS, heck I'd be super annoyed because although it's clear that she has anxiety about getting intimate, she shouldn't be teasing him so much like that. It almost feels like she's using her weakness to play around with him, although I'm sure she does not intent to but it can come across like that.

Regarding the hotel situation: I completely understand about being a frugal traveler, esp. since I'm paying half of it and I'm an independent woman like that but to not think about how your boyfriend put all this effort in to give you a nice, relaxing vacation and you totally ditching it and want it your way seems rather selfish. I thought she should've stopped at the third downgrade, one room with two separate beds. For her to waste a part of the nice vacation to have him drive around in the rain looking for the cheapest possible then only to realize it's "too cheap" was a very inconsiderate move.

It's not even that I dislike HS as a character at all, I understand they all have their own issues and flaws, but as a psychiatrist, I'd thought she'd be more open and compromising. I'd say she's the most stubborn out of them but I also can't wait to see how she'll grow.

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<< to not think about how your boyfriend put all this effort in to give you a nice, relaxing vacation and you totally ditching it and want it your way seems rather selfish

I agree... she could have stopped at the third downgrade and compromised. But essentially I think the whole scenario highlighted some other differences between them, beyond boyfriend making a concerted effort vs. woman's independence: it points to differences in financial status and how they handle money individually.

These are real concerns, including (especially?) when you have two parties that have very different earning power. From that first class flight, the sports car and the ridiculously huge first suite, I'm guessing that JY has masses of money and doesn't think twice about spending it. HS probably has a decent salary, but not one that is going to afford her more than the third room (if that, since she's paying off loans). For her, those things might just be plain ridiculous and a waste of money, they might even threaten her livelihood.

Additionally, while being treated is nice and can be perfectly acceptable, it can also make you seriously uncomfortable (even if the richer person is perfectly happy to treat you) or create weird or even problematic situations (power imbalance, e.g. gifts coming with "expectations").

They need to talk about this and find a compromise that will make them both feel valued and comfortable.

Not sure why she had him looking and inquiring though – she should have been the one taking charge there!

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Did anyone else have the same thought that I did - why did they need to have two rooms when he just needs the bathroom? He could have slept in the third room's bathroom and it would have been just like they were in separate bedrooms! I am kidding of course, but the thought did occur to me...
Seriously though, why couldn't she have taken the third room and paid for that one, and let him stay in and pay for one of the more expensive rooms in the same hotel? That way everyone would have been comfortable and happy. It's what I would have done, especially if I was on what promised to be a romantic vacation, rather than wasting most of a day traipsing around the city!

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I think the writers included "patients scenes" to address the question: Are these anxieties caused by nature or nurture?", and at the same time we can witness how each individual is empowered (hope) to cope with their disorders to enable them to survive. JY handles himself very well and if you'd notices even help so many love ones around him. Our Dr. is having a harder time. I love and am saddened by (my assumption) of the ending to this drama.

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There are several reasons why I'm enjoying IOIL the most compared to all the currently airing shows im following but the main reasons are no noble idiocy, no dragged out misunderstandings, no wishy-washy feelings, and because it lacks typical k-drama cliche/tropes/formula. Characters are actually upfront and honest about their feelings, and they don't waste time pondering over these feelings for several episodes when they have more important things to worry about. So, "I like you. Let's date." Yes, or no? Circle one.

You really can tell how assured noh hee kyung is with her writing. It's certainly not flawless but at least she has some faith that she won't run out of material to write about. I wonder why most k-drama writers literally wait until the end of their 16/20 episode run before finally allowing their OTP to get together or admit their feelings for one another. It's because they see that as the end. They get together, happy ending, it's over.
But here, it's just the beginning for this couple. Their offbeat romance is really my cup of tea. Clean, simple, direct, i-give-as-much-as-you-give, mature non-caricature type people. And it helps that they're damn cute together too. So refreshing. Perfect. Just my style.

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You've said it so perfectly, I want to like your post a million times. (But I don't want to skew the counter like that. ;-) )

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Perfectly said! Reminds me of something I read in a Leo Buscaglia book in my youth. In Living, Loving, Learning he was querying why Hollywood romances revolve around the formula of the woman running and the guy chasing for the entire movie and them only reuniting in the end. He was wondering what kind of a healthy relationship they can have after all that running and chasing and saying that the interesting bit comes after they unite anyways and he always wonders what happens after the curtain falls. I thought the same way about many a drama as well.

PS. I still love your nick.

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I agree! Ddak chua!

They are refreshingly direct, realistic and courageously vulnerable, I love them! I never thought I would see this playful side of HS, and they blend so very well. Loved that part where JY said he truly enjoys the fact that they could have serious discussions about everything.

This is the kind of relationship I want for myself too: no games, no time wasted, no wondering if you are going to get a phone call ( personally I would make that's phone call, but it doesn't mean all guys can take it!)

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And oh yes, their bickering is one of the most entertaining things I've seen thus far XD I love it that they're challenging each other and pushing buttons, it's one very fun way of getting to know each other better.

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I read theories on how other people can also be Jae Yul’s imagination. What we may find in the end of this being a novel he wrote about his problems because in one of his meetings with his younger self Kang Woo was telling him he was writing his own story like Jae Yul told him to do. Maybe after writing it all down and accepting he can overcome his problems. To take the sting out of such an ending we may circle back to the beginning and see him really meet Hae Soo this time.

I’m waiting for the shoe to drop about Jae Yul’s imaginary friend with trepidation.

Heads, thanks for the recaps. I’m enjoying this show.

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Actually, I have been wondering about this too. I'm not sure I would go as far as you say, but I wonder if there might not be twists coming in relation to his imagination / his unconscious and to him being a writer.

That's one of the reasons why I'm not totally put off by the Lou Gehring reference – it could be foreshadowing but at the same time, it could also be a fictional/mental twist. Like Kang-woo's imaginary existence might seem parallel to Jae-yeol's and it might be reflecting things of his life (past and present), but at the same time Kang-woo might start having a life of his own. He might be an expression of "fear", like JY's emotional walls breaking down and his hidden self being revealed.

JY was all happy-happy with HS this episode, which was contrasted with KW looking devastated. The happiness might be good on the surface, but the closer JY gets with HS, the more walls might come down and reveal his dark, suppressed past. Kang-woo might be the part of him that wants to stop that and keep the secret safe. For example, by getting sicker and telling JY more desperate situations (e.g. the suicide bit) he'll get JY's attention and make him worry, keeping the happiness (and the threat to secret being revealed) at bay.

I don't know, I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself well here... just that I don't want to completely trust what would normally be standard foreshadowing but could be used otherwise here. Especially because "standard" plot developments just don't quite fit with this drama. They've not followed any rule book so far otherwise after all.

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Havent read the comments, but am i the only one who doesnt like the ending.. like to me it came across like she had to sleep with him to cheer him up. Srsly.. if he goes through with it.. ima be mad lol.

cuz he knew and he should respected her view on sex etc. Sure she is willing too, but i feel like she's being pressured. Idk maybe overreacting.. i just didnt like that part.

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This is one of the most matured relationships I think I seen in a k-drama.

It actually feels real.

If anything, the verbal sparring is one the most well written I seen.

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Did they really do anything? She's still wearing her night gown in the final scene. I think the writers are trolling...

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..I’m a recapper, not a magician..

Puff, goes my wish.. I sincerely believe that you have the power of it, Heads.. ^^

Thanks for the awesome recap.

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We get lots of lovey dovey scenes to prepare our hearts for what's coming.
Wonder how Jae yeol would react when he knows Kang woo is not real? Heartbreaking. Lou gehrig is frightening.
Wonder if the police would show what the cctv records during his fight with Kang woo's dad.

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I am reading comments,"Will she or won't she? Did they do it or not? Is she still alive? Was she sweating and breathing hard? Hope she didn't throw up on him during sex!" And thinking to myself, "Mission accomplished, writernim!" Do you see why the "sexual anxiety" was introduced in a first place? No, not to bring attention to real phobias. To keep the male lead hooked, (she is a virgin with a mystery, not some whiny spinster) to allow intimate scenes (it's much needed sex therapy, can't be delayed) in the middle of the show as opposed at the end of it. Do you remember any Kdrama in which the sex act between the leads was so much anticipated? Me neither. Smart, smart writer. But why waste money on a trip, when they could have just rented a cheap hotel room, get spicy hot wine and watch A Frozen Flower movie on Netflix to get her in a mood. Seriously. The result would have been the same or even better.
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Sorry, posted to early.
Let me ask if you guys are comfortable with Kwang Soo pursuing the underage girl? I am not. Not because of age difference. They made this teen girl character act like a sex addict voided of any judgment. Looks like that's where this show is going - or rather exploiting: phobias, mental illness, abuse, patients and doctors alike. For ratings.

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I'm not comfortable with the Kwang-soo/schoolgirl pairing. From the comments I read on this page yesterday, there was only one person okay with it yesterday, and everyone else was questioning it.

I don't feel the show is doing things for the ratings. Some of the stuff can be pretty uncomfortable for viewers. It's taking risks with the taboos it is bringing out – I've actually wondered if more conservativeKorean viewers haven't complained (after A Thousand Kisses, I wouldn't be surprised).

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Well according to ep 8, she's not underage anymore.

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I actually think after this episode he'll definitely stop persuading her.
Whether it was appropriate in the first place, I am not sure, but 18 years old girls often have this urge to go for older males, especially when their mental health isn't stable...

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See the thing is no one in Jae-yeol's family is a reliable narrator so unless someone from outside the family sees it I'm not sure I believe it's happening.

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First of all , i'm channeling Doko jin when i say i sense Heeeeeaaaaaaaartbreak.seriously though i felt a stabbing pain in my chest when i realized JY may be seriously ill,im even scared of googling the disease. gahhhh i hate this, i should have liked the show and him less as a character and i really lack the will to stop myself from watching. the internet should just do me a favor and implode/explode/self destruct in a way that i wouldn't have access to it in my city,no country...i think i'd even leave the country so continent for a yr or 2 till i forget this show....hate this obsession .

jo in sung and kim nam gil need to stop acting these roles where they get hurt.do a romcom instead like jang hyuk,he has helped me get over Chuno.

back to the drama, i don't see how JY manipulated HS and im a prude so to speak i would be the Nun telling them make room for Jesus. gosh i get others rush and others restrain but if you want to restrain don't be all touchy feely and getting him worked up by putting your head in his lap ,touching his inner thighs ,kissing and tightly hugging him and not expect sex to be an issue.JY is right she's cruel in that way, just don't touch him.i think it was maybe even his way of controlling himself.i support the hands off policy coz that reaction was CRAY CRAY what? I'm not eating and stomp off , i was more shocked than him. yes,she definitely is the weirdest of them all. though the way she kissed(responded) and slept with him is kinda fast for someone with a phobia .not buying that story.that being said I'm enjoying everything immensely .dropped the rest just reading recaps
lets PRAY that:
JY isn't going to get terrible disease and die .I'm fine with hallucinations and bathtubs
HS stops self diagnosis...she just hadn't met the guy she would give it up to.(hmm...sounds crass)
Whatever kwangsoo is eating that's making him look handsomer this ep should be shared.
That i discover what makes Koreans have spotless,pore free skin AND have vasts number of food on the table and still be so thin and still look so healthy
Lastly my beanies and this is the most important one ,that i may go to that Okinawa resort using the same road and jump into that blue blue pool .i literally SQUEEEEEED like a little girl when i saw the ariel view.uuuuhmazing

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ME ! ME !,I KNOW who is going to have a major freakout the morning after and its not HS ,me thinks JY when he realizes he's not in a bathtub but fell asleep on the beach.
on that note doesn't cheaper hotel mean dingy bathroom and the more expensive one probably a big bathtub AND a jacuzzi, plenty of leg room jst saying i more considerate than HS ,JY.
its weird watching that lady from A Thousand Kisses humble and sweet be JY's mom with a temper who denies their own child food.
Lastly, when i see JY i get totally sucked in and believe its real,his feels and what not then i m like wow these guys are really good at acting ,at the same time it makes me less trusting of people as a whole and their sincerity.

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Good thought about the bathrooms being more comfortable! I think if he had argued it that way, she might've seen his point, even though I'm fairly sure she'd still have insisted on a cheaper hotel.

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So her 30 year repulsion of sex can be cured by the guy withholding himself from her (as she is making him live through it) if she likes him to enough degrees?! Really show? She struggled with just kissing him for episodes and he had to live through two slaps before having a none-slap one. But with the sex, that's just it?
And to think that he was the one who said in previous episode "Do you go to trips to make a move? You just go to sight-see!" makes his speech about "watching a beautiful woman like her all night without being able to touch her confusing at best. Dude, you just said an episode ago that you aren't going there to make a move yet you are disappointed at not being able to make one! What gives?

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in all of these korean dramas the first time is always smooth and beautiful, in real life it is quite different and it leaves some bloody traces behind it ;-) it looks like the writers are all men and do not remember too much

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Well... we haven't really seen the outcome of it yet. There is still hope for all the akwardness that usually goes with experiencing your first time. I wouldn't even put it past them to discuss (and review!) it later on.

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has anyone noticed the "similarities" between HS and JY and her parents?

If he has ALS, well we all know what Stephen Hawkins looks like, JY is going to end up pretty much like her father, completely dependent on others. At one point her father and mother were a regular couple and able to have children so i assume he had a similar desease?

I have no doubts that her mother loves her father still,and she takes good care of him but face it people, she is also a real woman who is still beautifull and will have fysical needs, hence her affair with Mr Kim. Mothers are not made of stone, they are only human and she assumes that dad does not know about mom's affairt with mr Kim but her mother was not ashamed of blurting it out in front of her husband.

It's interesting to see if her relationship with JY and the possibility of him and her ending that way might create some understanding towards her mother or is more of a methafore. Because with her sex anxiety she would be the perfect "Martyr wife" for "poor disabled JH"

She would be what she expects her mother to be the dothing "asexual virginal wife" who takes care of hubby but with no sexual needs of herself.

I think mom wants her daughter to experience fysical pleasure because then maybe she would finally get of her moral high horse and understand why mom does what she does or at least be more sympathetic.

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When I saw the scene in the restaurant where Hae-soo's mother defends her affair in front of her husband, it made me think that perhaps he has always known about it and possibly encouraged it. Her stepping out of the room to speak on the phone with Mr. Kim would be the polite thing to do, even if her husband was aware of the situation - she doesn't need to shove it in his face.

Also, when she spoke to Mr. Kim at the restaurant, didn't she ask about his wife? I'm really curious now about their situation. Maybe they met because their spouses both got ill?

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LOL who says she's cured though? We are all just speculating at the moment but some people assumed she's already cured like anxiety can be cured just like that.

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OMG if Jae Yeol really have Lou Gehrig it'll be the end for me...that disease is hell!!!! Pleeeeease that can't be true!!!!

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last time a lot assumed that dong min is an idiot doctor for being careless, now a lot of people assume that that they make out in the beach...

sometimes we tend to be feminist or misoginist or sometimes righteous that we don't clearly see the totality of the scenario and just be bothered by what we see in parts only.

let's face it, this is what really happens in real life...

*sorry as english is not my first language

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PREDICTIONS:

The one thing I've observed in this series is that maybe for one the mother knows Jae Yeol had a progressive disease- I reckon it is ALS a.ka. Lou Gehrig's disease (very much the same as Hae-Soo's dad's illness) that is why she prevented her son from wasting his decaying life in prison.

It's highly possible for Jae Yeol's older brother to forgive him and his mom as soon as he finds out about his younger brother's condition. A moment of genuine love and compassion may bring out he best in his character

And I feel like I need to somewhat prepare my self for a tragic or bittersweet ending.

Maybe Hae-Soo ENDS up becoming like her mom, when her love for Jae Yeol surpasses his future condition that is much like her dad's.

"Where could a flower be when it blooms without wavering, It's okay, that love." :)

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On the beach? Sand is going to get EVERYWHERE.

Thanks for the recap.

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I was kind of not OK with Hye Soo asking Jae Yeol for advice about a patient. It seemed unprofessional.

I was not OK with a psychiatrist who would fall for the old "I'm thirsty leave me here with this drug so I can steal it" trick. Even if the next episode it turns out he didn't fall for it. I'm even more not OK with a psychiatrist who sets someone up like that.

I'm really not OK with a character who is a writer and a DJ who suffers from OCD or other as yet unidentified emotional/mental malady who may also have ALS and was an abused child. Come on. Did the writers just start throwing darts at a board? Is his penis going to fall off in episode 12?

My willing suspension of disbelief is broken and I don't think there's any going back.

Pity because I really do like all of the actors a lot.

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Am I the only one who thinks that she will back out eventually and the sex scene will end before even it begins??

I guess that her anxiety will break through her determinatation and that JY will coolly calm her down and hug her for the rest of the night... and here goes our beach sex scene...

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Is it bad that I would actually really love to see that? Sounds like powerful stuff.

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I would like to see it end that way too - just some good old fashioned making out, ending in snuggling for now as he gives her time to get used to the whole intimacy idea. I think he needs to give her time to know that he will still back off if she becomes too uncomfortable, and I think it's too early for her to be sure of that.

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Girls, I'm in the group who thinks nothing will happen between them on this trip to the beach, because at some point the preview of ep 9, he tells her to take her to do in bed.

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