Myung-wol the Spy unable to complete shoot, to air special
by javabeans
Oy vey. The reports are conflicting, the response is growing heated, and confusion abounds over the immediate fate of Myung-wol the Spy, which was thrown into chaos over the weekend when its star, Han Ye-seul, didn’t appear for her scheduled shoots.
The trouble began on Saturday the 14th when Han, who was scheduled for an early morning shoot, didn’t appear. Her side seemed as confused as everyone else, and stated that the shoots had gone so far into the night that she only had two hours after being released before her next day’s call time. Then stories emerged that Han and the PD, Hwang In-hyuk, have been at odds since the very start, which has only grown more contentious as filming went on. They’d fought fiercely on set earlier in the week, and Han had repeatedly requested a PD switch. A new PD was brought onboard but PD Hwang remained, which appears to have been a halfhearted non-attempt to appease her.
According to a production rep, Han expressed her problems with the schedule, and when those differences were not resolved, told the director that she wouldn’t make the Saturday shoot. The explanation was her ill health due to the shooting schedule, but apparently the crew still expected her, and the cast was in standby mode until shooting was eventually cancelled.
Han didn’t shoot on the 15th, either, and with the drama up to its neck in live shoots, that left the show with only 40% of its scenes shot for this coming week. KBS and the producers met on Sunday for emergency meetings to try to resolve the conflict, but ultimately the show was too far behind and they decided to go with the time-honored solution to many a last-minute broadcasting emergency: a special episode, whipped up to fill the timeslot.
That’s the plan for Monday; producers are still not sure what to do with Tuesday’s broadcast.
Okay, so those are the facts. To be honest, this story doesn’t add up for me, which is why I hesitate to make any declarations. I recall that Han had made the request before the drama began that the shoots adopt a less killer schedule, along the lines of a five-day workweek. Those rumors faded once the drama got under way, which suggests that she found a way to reconcile herself with the schedule. Or perhaps (and now I speculate) she was assured of a lighter load, only to be worked to the bone anyway.
I do think that Han’s behavior is clearly unprofessional, but because of the way this story has been reported and sensationalized in the past day, I’m not ready to condemn her yet. She would have to know how damaging to her image it would be to refuse to shoot — and she’s already getting lots of heat from netizens — so I wonder how bad it must be for her to risk it anyway. Then again, maybe she didn’t think. Who knows what the real story is?
As we know, the K-drama live-shoot system is hectic, possibly dangerous, and definitely crazy. It’s flawed, but as long as productions believe that the rewards (freedom to adjust on the fly, cater to ratings) outweigh the costs, they’ll keep doing it as long as they can get away with it. But one can’t help but wonder when the broadcasters will get sick enough of the madness to impose some rules from the top down to create some safety nets. In the case of Myung-wol the Spy, it’s one actress refusing to shoot, but in other cases, a delay of just a day or two from accidents and injuries can take a drama off the air (see: Boys Before Flowers, You’ve Fallen For Me). Surely we need more buffer time than that.
If Myung-wol fails to air this week, on the upside (glass half full!), perhaps they won’t need their two-episode extension after all. The story doesn’t need the extension, and it was more out of consideration for follow-up drama Poseidon than for Myung-wol anyway. If Myung-wol resumes broadcasting next week, it can end with Episode 16 and still let Poseidon premiere as scheduled.
There, I turned that frown upside-down. It’s sort of a twisted grimace, but hey, it’s not ALL bad news, right?
(Also: I say this because of the massive derail in the thread below, but let me just remind you to please, please keep things civil. Arguments fine, attacks not fine. Don’t make me come over there.)
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1 firsttimenewbie
August 14, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Ryuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry. I had to respond to that picture.
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Fasiris Fay
August 14, 2011 at 7:54 PM
Yeah I know a Ryu/MW pairing was not going to happen since the very beginning, even though I REALLY wanted to (its more of a compelling story than her and eric anyways) so that's why I stopped watching :(
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firsttimenewbie
August 14, 2011 at 8:06 PM
Ditto to every word.
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Aime
August 14, 2011 at 8:19 PM
I guess you both haven't watched EP.10? :P
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firsttimenewbie
August 14, 2011 at 8:57 PM
I did read the recap. :) Do I have hope and some kind of an inkling that it [i]might[/i] turn out in Ryu's favor? Yes. (Though after all this RL drama, who knows)
But that's always overtaken by the realistic expectation that he's NOT going to get her in the end.
But that being said, while watching the episodes I did watch and reading the last two recaps, there are serious inklings I've gotten that it might go in Ryu's favor. Which is not what I feel with other second leads.
But again, my realistic expectations of K Dramas comes back. So I call it hope against hope.
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msim
August 14, 2011 at 8:33 PM
Same thing here: so much more interesting between MW/Ryu, huge potential there wasting away.
I gave up this show after the spoiled bratty star slapped her - no actually I gave up on the show the episode right after, when Show completely failed to make him pay for/or even addressed what he had done.
I'm not judging HYS...we've all taken sick days.
Plus working in a hostile environment all day, every day has its toll even when you are in the best of health.
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MeeisLee
August 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM
Am I the only one who wants to see Ryu with In Ah ? I think it would be hilarious :p.
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Fall
August 14, 2011 at 11:46 PM
me too! They're complete opposites.
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weissman
August 15, 2011 at 4:59 AM
That would be cool
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isabelle
August 15, 2011 at 9:55 AM
i like this pairing better than with eric
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sosoxrah
August 14, 2011 at 8:26 PM
haha I wish Ryu and Myung-wol just ran away together!
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Momo
August 15, 2011 at 1:35 AM
Sry... can someone translate this....i must be reading it wrong?
http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=106&oid=076&aid=0002135492
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snow
August 15, 2011 at 2:10 AM
see here: http://koreangossipgirl.com/han-ye-seul-went-to-usa-this-afternoon/
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kdgal
August 15, 2011 at 4:17 AM
What??? She went to the US??? Please let this be just gossip..
Has there ever been a time in kdrama when a lead actress was replaced while it was airing?
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Oh Ji's Ho
August 15, 2011 at 8:16 AM
Man, that site was frenetic, but it did give a little more info. I feel she isn't the type of person to just go off on a whim so selfishly without letting those around her know what is going on, but she is an actress and they are known for their acting. She could be a pawn between the station and her management company in a power struggle, but all the heat will fall on her.
I wish the netizens weren't so deregatory towards the Korean celebs because Korean celebs seem to have it rough (due in part to the netizens making it so) between the illogical and dangerous schedules, the contracts, the pressure on their looks, the scripting of interviews it seems, the 007 secrecy in which they have to date, the netizens and the anti-fans. Drama schedules are ridiculous and irresponsible to the cast and crew. No human can put up with that for very long regardless.
All that being said, I fall on the Han Ye-Seul side of this albeit maybe blindly, but she is just so damn likable and charming - on of my faves.
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f1yh1gh10
August 15, 2011 at 8:46 AM
i agree so much with you!
who are we to say she's irresponsible or not?
geez, she is a professional actress, and it's not like this is her first drama..i doubt she'd be doing this on purpose to make her own drama go down.
there must be a reason for her to not show up..
as for the "the rest of the cast and crew showed up", well, may i mention that han ye seul gets a LOT more screentime than the others?
:D now that being said, i would love some more choi ryu and kangwoo time... <3
Shiku
August 15, 2011 at 11:54 AM
Even though you take her side this is still irresponsible. We have all worked in hostile environments but we leave after we finish the projects we have to do. If she left like this, there is no excuse
Oh Ji's Ho
August 15, 2011 at 4:04 PM
Shiku,
I, like you, feel it is irresponsible to leave fellow co-worker's in a lurch, but HYS apparently had made her feelings clear to no avail. I would assume she was completely aware of how large of a risk she was taking when she left the country in regards to her career and her popularity. She may have tried other outlets prior to leaving her co-worker's and was unable to get through so she had to go to drastic measures to say enough is enough. Plus, the station's spin doctor's are speaking as one voice for many. If the conditions were so unbearable, other's of the cast and crew may/probably have felt the same way, but were unable to voice it due to many factors, not the least of which would be ingrained Confucian principles that are so apparent in Korean society. HYS appears to be well-educated and intelligent and well aware of the fallout her actions would cause having been highly active in the Korean entertainment industry for many years. She knows the netizens will come out with their blades sharpened and going for the jugular, so I don't think she (or anyone of her status) would make a drastic move so rashly.
Shiku
August 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM
@Oh Ji Ho's
You maybe right but I don't know I still think something better could have been done or she should at the very least speak up. I am not biased on either side I was just giving my opinion
blokkoms
August 15, 2011 at 9:52 AM
THIS:
http://koalasplayground.com/2011/08/15/spy-myung-wol-to-replace-han-ye-seul-who-has-left-korea-for-los-angeles/
Holy crap.
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Cynthia
August 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM
OMG - I just read this over at Playground!
Who woulda thunk this could happen?! I don't know whether to be impressed or appalled by her!
Shiku
August 15, 2011 at 11:57 AM
I am apalled at her as a lot of jobs are on the line but on the other hand this is hilarious there should make a drama on this
amg01
August 15, 2011 at 11:47 AM
*Han Ye-seul v.s. Confucius*
While a woman is vilified by the media, and accused unjustly, the reality of cultural prejudice, and sexism rear their ugly head, and once again we see the ugly face of the Korea that locals do not want for the rest of the world to see.
Korea's final ending of their “slave” culture did not end until 1930's even when slavery was abolish with the Gabo Reform of 1894, what we have here is the cruel reality of what “Neo-Confucian Philosophy” has done for Korean society. Confucius promote woman not only as a second class citizen, but even lesser than that, while putting man up on a pedestal of authority.
To say that slavery has ended in Korea is an Oxymoron. While legally slavery was abolish in 1894, the traces of that culture are still very present in Korean society till this very day.
I am most fascinated again, about the reaction of woman when it comes to this issues, have we not come this far? Are “Woman's rights” so absent in the Korean culture, that a woman needs to be malign to the point of loosing her career, and reputation because she dare to stands against the establishment? Where are the voices of modern feminist woman? Why all the silence?
The reality is much darker and heinous that we will like to confront, while Koreans pride themselves of a “High Moral standard of work ethic,” they should also pride themselves about having one the highest percentages of “Suicide” among developing nations. As the old adage has confirm once again, “Koreans cannot have their cake and eat it too.”
At the end of the day something has to give, and in Korea the high mortality incidents due to suicide, is clear proof that there is something inherently wrong with their culture.
The saddest part about it is the amount of people that clothe themselves with a veil of Confucian self righteousness, and dare to cast the “First Stone,” or dare to pluck their neighbors stick of wood from their eyes while leaving the log in their own eyes.
What Koreans are doing to Han Ye-seul, as they try to portray her as the “Bad” girl, and destroying her career in the name of proprietress, and cultural submission. IMHO is nothing short of the fate that African-Americans, suffer in the American South.
Last but not the least, all I can say is this; “Shame on the people of Korea for allowing this kind of inhuman treatment to continue unpunished!!!!!!
P.S. All my love and support goes to Han Ye-seul, for standing for what is right, in a country where right has become wrong, due to a philosophy of life that is outdated, and make woman even lesser than a common slave. Shame on you Korea.....
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Shiku
August 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Amg1,
Granted Korea has a high rate of suicides due to an unhealthy working conditions you shouldn't clear of blame in this. We all don't get along with our bosses and have kept insane working schedules but we don't choose to leave a job/project unfinished especially when other people will be affected.
Furthermore to compare people criticizing her actions with African Americans experiencing racism in the south is not right.
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Ani
August 15, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Shiku,
I think Amg1 was referring to the slavery abolishment in Korea, which happened in 1894. So there never was a comparison to African American slavery in the US. Although sometimes I feel that Amg1's POV completely pushes it a bit with a connection to the issue at hand, it is an opinion I find makes sense at times and is something to worth looking into. I give Amg1 props for always bringing important facts to the table.
Now, from what I hear with current developments with Han Ye-seul being in the LA right now, I wonder if their is more at play here than just a schedule problem. "Rumors" are that the PD did something to HYS (which is implied and opened expressed from being physical assault something of a sexual nature), which I hope I don't need to point out is slander and libel if it turns out to be false. I'm currently firmly on Han's side because I feel she hasn't given her part of the story yet. If the "rumors" are true I can understand her leaving Korea knowing how ass-backwards things are with blame falling on the woman even if she is the victim, but I wish didn't run and instead faced the problem. But once again, that's basically speculation from various sides that are pro-Han.
I think what we need to do is, well, wait and see what Han has to say. There's always more than one side of a story, and I want to hear hers before I make a full, well-rounded, and well-informed decision on where I stand in this whole, uh, fiasco.
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Ani
August 15, 2011 at 12:31 PM
And see, more rumors and speculations that add to the equation: http://www.allkpop.com/2011/08/han-ye-seul-dating-an-older-businessman-and-plans-of-marriage
* Note: Sorry about my typos. Also, allkpop isn't the most accurate reporting site so read with a grain of salt.... I hope I used that correctly.
Laeah
August 15, 2011 at 1:04 PM
One person assumed that he did something. There is no proof AT ALL.
She's not Jang Ja Yeon here, she's so ridiculously famous.
I hate when people automatically assume that the guy is wrong and the woman is in the right.
I'm all for equal rights, but this is ridiculous.
Ani
August 15, 2011 at 1:28 PM
@Laeah,
It wasn't just one person who said it.
And don't get me wrong since I'm with you in not assuming the man is in the wrong. Although I am on Han's side for now, I never once put the blame anywhere. I just said everyone needs to be wary of all these conflicting reports until they've heard HYS's side of things.
P.S. I believe in equality too.
amg01
August 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM
@Shiku.... "Granted Korea has a high rate of suicides due to an unhealthy working conditions."
I think you just prove my point, Korea not only have a "High Rate," is one of the leading nations around the world when it comes to suicide per capita.
Again trying to equate "professionalism with maltreatment," is down right idiotic, and naive, maybe your response reflects your background, if you believed that what the Korean Industry does to their worker is the right thing to do, is fine with me, Just do not complain or sweep under the rug, the reality that hundreds of people are dying every year in Korea due to suicide, something that has been promoted by their out dated "Philosophy of life," otherwise. how do you justified the suicide rate in Korea. since South Korea is not a third world nation?
I do respect your opinion, but I feel that your facts may come short of a proper apology...Feel free to try again!
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amg01
August 15, 2011 at 12:51 PM
*Edit*.....By the way "Third World Nations," by enlarge have the least amount suicide per capita....I guess at the end "Money cannot buy love."
Shiku
August 15, 2011 at 2:33 PM
@Amg1
Why do I need to apologize to you when I haven't said anything wrong?
"Again trying to equate “professionalism with maltreatment,” is down right idiotic, and naive, maybe your response reflects your background, if you believed that what the Korean Industry does to their worker is the right thing to do, is fine with me, Just do not complain or sweep under the rug, the reality that hundreds of people are dying every year in Korea due to suicide, something that has been promoted by their out dated “Philosophy of life,” otherwise. how do you justified the suicide rate in Korea. since South Korea is not a third world nation?"
Let me rephrase even though Korea has horrible working conditions, it would have been better if she would have finished the job and sued the company, KBS, PD for breach of contract, unsafe working conditions instead of leaving the country. I am coming from the perspective that her actions affect other people's livelihoods. I don't know why you think am justifying unsafe working conditions or high suicide rates. I am not I think it is sad that it make people think that suicide is their only hope.
Let me ask you, what have you done to rectify the situation? Have you boycotted the shows with toxic working conditions, lead protests, written to the KBS and the other companies to try and hold them accountable? I say all this because it only takes one person to lead the charge and just maybe things can change.
"What Koreans are doing to Han Ye-seul, as they try to portray her as the “Bad” girl, and destroying her career in the name of proprietress, and cultural submission. IMHO is nothing short of the fate that African-Americans, suffer in the American South."
I still do not agree with the above statement. Firstly they do not need to portray her as a bad girl as she is pretty damaging her own reputation through her own actions so far. Secondly I still do not see how the consequences of one's own actions is similar to what generations of hate or prejudice African Americans go through where you are hated just because of the amount of melanin you have in your body.
eliza
August 15, 2011 at 9:56 PM
all the best for HYS- if running away is the best option to be heard on your society, go for it.I salute you for your guts!!!!
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Laeah
August 15, 2011 at 12:59 PM
So because we are women, we should blindly support any woman?
This is BS.
I'm so sick of feminist who instead of wanting equal rights want to vilify men.
Thanks for stereotyping Koreans once again. Not every woman has to go out into the work force to be happy and fulfilled. It's a different culture. If you don't like it, don't watch Kdramas or have anything to do with Korea.
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amg01
August 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM
@Laeah... By the way I am not a Girl, I am a guy to happens to like Koran dramas.
So seems that now you are the one who is vilifying me, for standing on the side of what I believe to be right, but that is cool with me : 0 }.
Unfortunately neither you nor Shiku, seems to understand that Korea is not perfect, and as a society like the rest of the world, have things that are not right at all.
As you can see my comments are made in the general sense base upon the data the neither you 2 girls can refute, but maybe at the end of the day you think that suicide is OK! So who am I to argue with you than?
As for the Han Ye-seul debacle you are full of "Bullsh*t,"
I can guarantee, that you where not in the same room nor you are privy to any inside information on this matter, even when you claim otherwise, what is know is what the Media Heads wants us to know, other than that all the comments that you have posted are just conjecture. So stop pretending that you know something that we do not know, since your insistence only make you look pathetic and idiotic.
I know, I know, people now are going to gimme me a hard time because since now you know I am I guy, it looks that now I am bullying you, and while is OK for the rest of you to bully Han Ye-seul In absentia, it is not cool for me as a guy to bully you.
I hope that you can see the "Double standard," I am glad and proud to stand for woman's rights even at the risk of being criticized by woman like you...Cheers....
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Ani
August 15, 2011 at 2:57 PM
Amg1,
Shouldn't everyone hold back on the name calling? Pointing out someone is being idiotic, naive and pathetic kind of takes the fire out of your argument and puts people off, and leads to further name calling. I've once called someone a moron on DB in the heat of the moment, and trust me, even I thought I was in the wrong. What happened to "refute the opponent's argument, don't attack the opponent"?
Shiku
August 15, 2011 at 2:59 PM
I do not know why you think I think that Korea is perfect society. I never said that nor did Laeah say that. No have we ever said that suicide is okay. I honestly don't know why you equate women who disagree with you (on whether she bears some responsibility for this mess) to not standing for women's rights. I am not bullying her. To bully someone you have to be invested in their downfall and I am not. Again, I do not take suicide rates in Korea or anywhere in the world lightly. I never have and never will
amg01
August 15, 2011 at 3:37 PM
@Ani...You just prove my point.......All the people who come here, and the condemnation of the Korean public calling her a "Bitch," somehow is OK, but when I dare to call somebody, "Idiotic, naive and pathetic," than all of a sudden is not appropriated???????
Well I am glad that you are able to noticed your own double standard, and my name calling was done in purpose, and as you can see you lady's prove my point, we can hide behind a cyber-handle to malign other people but as soon as we are the ones being insulted, than all you little girls start crying foul!!!!!
OHHHHHH!!! The Humanityyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
amg01
August 15, 2011 at 4:00 PM
@Shiku...I will be the first to acknowledged, that as an individual I am not doing absolutely nothing, concerning deplorable working conditions in Korea, nor I am doing anything to change the Suicide Culture in Korea, or the bad treatment as a whole(domestic violence) why?
Firstly, because I do not live in that nation.
Secondly, I have work with violent offenders, trying to stop Domestic Violence, and I have also volunteer, working with homeless people, and those who are incarcerated, in places that I have lived, what about you?
Thirdly, The only thing that I can do is to try to raise awareness, in blog like this, and if I can reached one person, whit something I have wrote, than that is the least I can do.
Fourthly, I clearly understand your point of view, I just happened to disagree with 90% of what you have said, on the contrary seems that you are the one who have totally missed the bigger picture, of what i was trying to convey, but I forgive you for that!!!!!! : 0}
Laeah
August 15, 2011 at 4:11 PM
I never said Korea was perfect. I know there is a lot wrong with it. But the issue here has nothing to do with her being a woman, so frankly, I think it's silly to bring that into play.
I don't believe Korea is treats women perfectly, but never does any country 100% give equality to all people, no matter what race, age, gender. So, I don't see the point of bashing Koreans when for the most part, as individuals are not anti-women. In fact, a lot of women from my generations get treated like princesses (in a good way). It's just not as obvious since the cultural rules are not the same.
I also ave the right to express my opinions of her and this situation and I can keep commenting until JB feels that I've said something that has crossed the line and then I will stop.
I never said anything more than opinions I share with others. Did I ever say that I knew everything? Not really.
My conjecture is just the same as everyone's on this post. Everyone is conjecturing. I just happen to voice an unpopular opinion here, but every post here is on equal level when it comes to conjecture.
People who say poor her and still just as out of the loop as people who say she's doing it selfishly.
Did I once call her a name? No. I only repeated the words I HEARD about her. I'm simply saying what I believe happened. That is not trying to bash her. If she turns out innocent, I will be the first one to stand up and say I was wrong, but her behavior and inconsistencies in her statements, in my eyes, don't match up to that.
Shiku
August 15, 2011 at 5:52 PM
Amg1
Bravo for the work you do helping incarcerated people, reducing domestic violence and helping in soup kitchens.
I haven't done anything as I have only recently realized the conditions they work in but am planning to but am not sure what. Petition maybe? The reason I asked this is because you seemed extremely invested in the situation.
Calling me “Idiotic, naive and pathetic" was pretty insulting but I did not reciprocate as I want to be the bigger person as I will gain nothing from insulting you.
I still don't understand why I need forgiveness as I understand your viewpoint.
Let's agree to disagree as we will have this back and forth till eternity.
amg01
August 15, 2011 at 6:28 PM
@Shiku, Leah, Ani ....Hey there is nothing that you need to apologized for, and I do owed you girls and apology for using offensive language..... So hereby I humbly apologize for my behavior, hopefully we can agree to disagree, and let this issue rest for now... I hope that there is no hard feelings!!
: 0 }.........
Ani
August 15, 2011 at 6:48 PM
Whooooooooooa! Amg1, I think anyone calling anyone names doesn't belong in a place where supposedly mature individuals can share opinions without attacking each other. I wasn't just ousting you, although in this particular thread I couldn't help but use your words as an example. I already pointed out that I was on Han's side. And I already knew that you were a guy, and yet I never treated you any different. I agreed with some of your views, but once you started name calling, I couldn't help but call you out on it. Way to use the person that's on your side and Han's side as an example, because not only does it invalidate your example and proves nothing, you just attacked someone that was in ways an ally. Know that as I am typing this I am scoffing out of disbelief. You totally missed the fact that this whole time I was advising everyone to stay cool until the whole story was out - or in other words, Han's side of the story is out.
I'm sorry that you feel the way you do, but you can take your apology and stuff it. Having firm beliefs is one thing, but not being able to distinguish "friends" from foes and insulting said friends is just sad.
amg01
August 15, 2011 at 9:28 PM
@Ani.......You do not have to accept my apology, all I can do is offer it, and move on, I have already take responsibility, for being disrespectful on purpose to make a point, the sad part is that other people unlike you, dismissed my original post, when the reality of things is closer to what I wrote in the general sense, but that is neither here nor there.
So once again I offer my apology, and apart from that there is nothing else I can do, since it is clear from your last post that you rather I do some infilling with my prior apology, at least I have the character to acknowledged when I have done wrong, and offer my apologies, out side of that there is nothing else that I can do to apace your mind.....
amg01
August 15, 2011 at 9:33 PM
*edit* "a peace your mind,"
Ani
August 15, 2011 at 10:12 PM
Amg1,
Nah. All's forgotten. Nothing like a good 3 mile jog to get it out of my system (okay, truthfully that's just a daily routine, but it did the job anyways). I think with Han's latest statement about "dropping everything" this issue is about to be over very soon.... Or at least we can only hope.
moidiom
August 15, 2011 at 10:48 PM
I'm not sure if everything you've stated is fact, but your argument sounds plausible. It makes me feel guilty and wonder if I should continue consuming Korean culture, which aids in the poor treatment of its celebrities. And here I thought Japan was bad...
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favegirl13
August 15, 2011 at 5:43 PM
so apparently Han Ye-Seul unni is not even in Korea anymore.
She left for LA
http://koalasplayground.com/2011/08/15/spy-myung-wol-to-replace-han-ye-seul-who-has-left-korea-for-los-angeles/
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2 Fasiris Fay
August 14, 2011 at 7:53 PM
Hmmm. Not sure what I believe. But I'm not watching this anyway (gave up ages ago), even though I really wish they changed the system.
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3 Uca
August 14, 2011 at 7:55 PM
At least she has the reason why......
Ah Han Ye Seul.... I just............ can't hate her
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Ani
August 14, 2011 at 9:32 PM
*waves hands around and points to self* Same here. Same here. I don't know why. Maybe it's my love for Fantasy Couple or maybe it's because I just don't feel like I know the facts of the situation enough and the woman enough to hate her. For all we know this could be a case of Goo Ae-jung where she's a decent person to the bone, just stuck with a shit ton of misunderstandings.
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anais
August 14, 2011 at 10:43 PM
I admit to being biased in so many ways.
Biased in favor of Han Ye Seul because of Fantasy Couple.
Biased against the live shoot system, which I think is dangerously maddening.
And Ani, what a way to work in Goo Ae Jung. Nicely done.
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peony
August 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM
i fell its unfair to hate her too; it's like kicking a dog who's down, since korean netizens are probably giving her hell already.
i really wish we could get more news about the trouble between the PD and HYS. that seems to be the meat of the problem, since a schedule problem couldnt be THAT big.
all that said, i wish she just aired her problems with MW to the public, because she's almost self-scapegoating by suddenly leaving korea like that.
btw, does anyone think she has a chance of salvaging her career after this?
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Ani
August 15, 2011 at 6:53 PM
does anyone think she has a chance of salvaging her career after this?
Truthfully? It's hard to tell at this point. I hope she releases a personal statement soon. Perhaps only then will we be able to predict if her career in the Korean entertainment industry can be saved.
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YY
August 14, 2011 at 10:54 PM
Me three...can't hate her cos I love her....hope everything works out for her.
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Uca
August 15, 2011 at 7:11 AM
yeah, I hope so :)
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p3rk3le
August 15, 2011 at 5:23 AM
me four! I know this isnt professionalism and the rest of the cast/crew have to suffer because of that, but you never know what really goes on, and if i remind myself of that BOF girl who died.. i'm generally on favor of actresses first. I still wish they go on with filming for everyone's sake.
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4 Yee
August 14, 2011 at 7:55 PM
Basing my opinion on that 1. she repeatedly ask for a lighter schedule, 2. wasn't given one, and 3. her health was deteriorating because of it, and 4. she outright said she was going to miss the shoot - she was absolutely justified in her actions. A person's health is more important than the entertainment of others.
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Kasie J.
August 14, 2011 at 10:13 PM
Yes, that is how I see it as well. It's amazing what actors have to go through in order to shoot a drama.
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Trolling the TROLLOLOLO
August 15, 2011 at 1:12 AM
I'm not saying her health is not important, but still.. a little sad since the whole crew & cast waited for her for hours. She might have problem with PD & the schedule, but others suffered because of it =/
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appie
August 15, 2011 at 1:13 AM
Opps I forgot to change my Name XD
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Gloria
August 15, 2011 at 1:05 PM
HAHAHA your name XD
But on a more serious note, if she said that she wasn't coming, then the PD & cast shouldn't have come. It was either a miscommunication or the PD/staff refused to give in and make a lighter schedule. Maybe they didn't take her seriously and thought she'd come anyway.
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5 cecilia
August 14, 2011 at 7:55 PM
iv'e been praying since yseterday
please let this drama carry on
please
i'm goign to go crazy
this is really a 'kiga makhyo' (cant type korean on this keyboard) timing for such a thing to happen esp after the cliffhanger at the end of ep 10
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6 mskololia
August 14, 2011 at 7:56 PM
"(Also: I say this because of the massive derail in the thread below, but let me just remind you to please, please keep things civil. Arguments fine, attacks not fine. Don’t make me come over there.)"
LOL. This is funny.
I'm not even watching this drama or reading the recaps but the fights re this are entertaining :)
Good luck with keeping the peace. ;)
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7 Stardust
August 14, 2011 at 7:58 PM
To be honest, if she was protesting the live shoot system, kudos I say! How many more illnesses, terrible accidents do we need? The agencies will push the stars, the broadcasters will push the crew, in the end who will be the ones to suffer? And who will stand up for their own rights?
We love to watch dramas, and we love our weekly doses, but if we love the people making the dramas, we should support a better system of delivery. I am sure she will get alot of heat for her actions from her agency, the studio so let's give her support if she was daring enough to do protest this horrid system!
Thanks javabeans for the update, I readily agree that this drama does not need an extension. Much as I really like watching Eric, and HYS, and now even that delicious Ryu, the storyline has been draggy for some episodes.
Let's pray that some good will come of this!
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jamie
August 14, 2011 at 9:08 PM
amen to that
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Diane
August 14, 2011 at 9:29 PM
Same. It's only a matter of time before an actor dies in one of those accidents.
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aX
August 15, 2011 at 3:05 AM
If that's the case, that I stand by her!
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8 snow
August 14, 2011 at 7:59 PM
such a mess. i really hope things get resolved amicably and that something be done about the hectic live shoot system - it's clearly done a lot of damage with actors getting injured, being sick etc and still struggling to continue filming, shows not being aired and so on. filming well in advance with a proper schedule allows for better quality overall and happier/healthier cast and crew - surely the top brass would have to acknowledge the benefits of that now?
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9 DramaQueen
August 14, 2011 at 8:00 PM
I didn't even realise that the shoot was "troubled". But yeah, I'm not a big supporter of the live shoot system, what with the strain it places on actors, and can put the entire production at risk if anything bad happens. Which happens often because of the crazy schedule. Surely they should try change things?
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10 The Real CZ
August 14, 2011 at 8:00 PM
I agree with Yee. Plus she knows how much it could ruin her status as a CF Queen and such so I doubt she did this on a whim.
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11 flimsy
August 14, 2011 at 8:01 PM
uckh. i wish i'd waited 'til it'd finished to start this one but i got suckered in. dammit. poor beleaguered show, poor beleaguered viewers.
can i ask, how come han yeseul's getting heat from netizens (as mentioned in the article)???
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Mia
August 14, 2011 at 8:46 PM
From what I understand of the situation,
Most of what has been stated in the form of actual "official statements" is from the PD and the drama production company. The things they have stated go a bit like...
"We have been waiting since 7 AM August 14th to shoot, everyone of the main leads is here, only Han hasn't come." (Which sounds like everyone is doing there job and waiting for her, who is not doing her job.)
They also mentioned she didn't show up on set for another day before the 14th (Again, doesn't look too good.)
And then, because she didn't arrive on the 15th, the company are threatening to sue her for contract violation.
When her company did release a statement they said something along the lines of: That she is tired, the shoot went two hours later then planned, she only had two hours of sleep, and health is more important.
Naturally, this doesn't look too good from the perspective of "netizens" who read right below that statement that their beloved Eric, the other two leads, and the whole drama production is already gathered and have been waiting for her for five some hours. In other words, 'If they are all making it through with their bad healthy and tiredness, why is she being the prima-donna and feeling herself exempt.'
I'm not taking a stance on whose right or wrong in this situation. I'm simply trying to answer the question of "Why Han Ye-seul is getting heat from netizens?" using the information I have read.
If I had to take a stance it would be this: If she is truly protesting the accident causing live-shoot system I would be completely for it, though I do believe, if that is indeed her intent, she should make that intent a bit more clear before the possibility of law suit becomes all too real, for her own sake.
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appie
August 15, 2011 at 1:24 AM
Very true. Though, her agency's statement did not help, it talks about her health but it doesn't cleared up all the misunderstandings, and never mentions her stance against live-shoot system, it could've help her cause and get her message across the public.
Seriously, I'm confused to whom I should side with, both parties's claims don't add up, therefore I'll try to stay neutral as possible =/
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Leona
August 15, 2011 at 4:05 AM
Eric isn't in 90% of the scenes like she is, he can sleep or at least stand by, while she is still filming
if you watch the drama you can see that after ep 4 she is all over the places and he's not
the crew doesn't have to be on screen after a white night, while she is
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renzillag
August 15, 2011 at 9:17 AM
I totally agree! So many people were doing even more HYS-bashing after Eric's statement was put up on allkpop.com: http://www.allkpop.com/2011/08/eric-opens-up-about-han-ye-seuls-no-show
but he's not even in as many scenes!
People are making judgments before having the full story.
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Mia
August 15, 2011 at 12:16 PM
I understand your point. She is in most of the scenes in the drama. On the other hand I didn't write the above info because it's what I consider fact, rather, I am trying to reply to the original posters question as to "Why she is getting heat from netizens?" Those we're a summary of some articles I had read on the more popular K-entertainment new forums.
My own stance remains the same even in light of the more recent news (aka. That she has left filming all together to go to LA, that the work environment on set was rather tense, and she is off to get married to rich fiance - once again - unreliable, yet popular, news outlets, NOT facts or my personal opinions)
Once again, I simply think if "protesting the live shoot system" and "unreasonable actor/actress schedules" is what Han Ye Seul's intent is, she could have most likely made this intent a bit more clearer (for her own sake) and handled her protest in a way that wasn't quite so harmful (Perhaps she could have created a twitter and explained the situation more clearly from her side, or finished the drama and then began to talk about the hardships and negatives about the industry and their expectations etc.)
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12 Carinne
August 14, 2011 at 8:01 PM
Wow, I'm glad I didn't start this series, what if I gotten hooked addicted to it and read such headliners, well, I'll let that Heartstrings' special slide, a total waste of air time, I think, and well, I empathize how fans of this show may react.
Maybe a better cover up like a car accident or faint spell is better than a no show burning some production money stalling everyone else's time. However, I have to applaud HES for her bravery being true to herself.
Well, I hope she finds better time management for her health's sake.
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13 janyx
August 14, 2011 at 8:01 PM
awww..such a bad news..let's just all hope for the best for both sides..after all,they're just doing their jobs...
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14 Truffle
August 14, 2011 at 8:02 PM
The live shooting is definitely unfair to the actors. How can they think that it is okay to have that kind of packed schedule and expect the actors to perform at their best. It was ignorant on their part to think that actors would not speak up and try to fight it because it is absolutely ridiculous. I understand the benefits of live shooting but I think the health of the actors is more important.
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15 Yer Vang
August 14, 2011 at 8:05 PM
What, I was looking forward to it :(
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16 v
August 14, 2011 at 8:06 PM
Why would the PD force the whole cast to wait for HYS if she said in advance she couldn't come in to shoot, clearly some guilt tripping at work here.. It's unfair to breach the contract and force her to shoot endlessly (she seems to appear in almost every scene!), but HYS not showing up is pretty serious stuff. Hope she explains her actions soon cos KBS is really sensationalizing this to turn the public against her.
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17 paperhearts
August 14, 2011 at 8:12 PM
to answer the question of what netizens are upset about they feel she handled this unprofessionally, like a "diva"
if she's complaining of health issues, what about everyone else? I know Eric and the entire cast/crew have been slaving away as mucha she has. But the strange part is she didn't even call anyone to notify that she wasn't coming/was ill. she made everyone else come out and wait there for hours and hours for no reason.
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lois
August 14, 2011 at 8:20 PM
sorry but what part of "she called the director to notify that she wasn't coming" did you not read? LOL the more nonsensical part for me is that they kept everyone else there...
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paperhearts
August 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM
good point, but i've seen different reports. allkpop is saying she didnt call. haha like anything the details are all fuzzy. but one thing remains, what about everyone else that worked so hard?
but youre right about kbs' sketchy shooting practices. its not good for anyone really.
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Alvina
August 14, 2011 at 8:51 PM
allkpop, while a brilliant website for the casual K-ent fan, if known for throwing a bit of turmoil in whenever there is a hot article.
Translations are fuzzy at best so it's better to check a second [translated] source.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 9:15 PM
She didn't call in sick. She called and basically said she quit. It's a little different.
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UGHHH
August 14, 2011 at 8:25 PM
THANK YOU! She is not the only one working herself to the bone here. She, at least, gets to rest, in between shots, when she is not on screen, whereas the production people (i.e. wardrobe, make-up, lighting, sound, etc...) have to always be there. They could claim WORSE treatment then her!
Also, she signed the contract, she knew what she was getting into. No one pushed her. She didn't have to take the role. PLUS if she had a problem with the PD she should have backed out from the beginning.
The statement from the production company is very interesting:" A representative of the drama’s production company revealed, “Han Ye Seul and KBS are on completely different tracks, and it does not seem that the problem will be resolved any time soon.”
He continued, “Before debating who’s at fault, the broadcast is of the utmost priority here. It’s absolutely ridiculous that an emotional conflict between an actress and a producer is affecting the broadcast. If Han does not show up at the film set today, we will be charging her for obstruction of business.”
AN EMOTIONAL conflict has broken out and who has to pay? The people from the production company who just want to feed their families - forget the fans. But still, she is doing herself NO FAVORS. She has just made mad one of the bigger fandoms in KPop history - Shinhwa. That was a BAD, BAD thing to do. Very bad. I feel sorry for her.
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v
August 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM
Firstly, HYS is in almost every scene in the drama, more so than Eric is so I would expect her to be very worn out from all the live shooting. It doesn't give her an excuse to skip shooting, but if she does it must be something serious since she knows her reputation is at stake.
Secondly, it seems when she signed the contract one of the clauses was that she would only film 5 days a week and not past midnight. Expecting her to film everyday and/or till 5.30am and then be back and ready to film again at 7.30am is pushing it a bit eh?
Lastly, I think the production company/KBS are trying to sensationalize the whole issue. Who in the right mind would force the staff/crew to wait when the PD already knows HYS wouldn't be able to make it?!
For god's sake let the girl rest at least so she can at least give her best for filming.
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rendezvous
August 14, 2011 at 8:41 PM
Thank you. So miffed at everyone just badmouthing her. Obviously both parties are at fault but the way the media plays it out is that everything is HER fault. Poor girl.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 9:06 PM
She didn't film everyday til 5:30 am. She was late the previous day and had to shoot overtime. Her own reps said that she was supposed to film until 2am that day.
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Aime
August 14, 2011 at 9:25 PM
@V, I'm sorry but in the response to the media from Sidus the rep said this: As reports said, it is true that she was also late for filming on August 12th. Yesterday, however, filming was scheduled to end at 2 AM but it ended at 5 AM instead If her schedule suppose to end at midnight, why would she go for the pre-scheduled 2AM ending that day? I am just confuse as where you all get HYS's not past midnight schedule from.
you can see Sidus' response here http://www.allkpop.com/2011/08/sidus-hq-explains-why-han-ye-seul-hasnt-shown-up-for-spy-myung-wol
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Aime
August 14, 2011 at 9:27 PM
heh, not sure how the whole thing got bold, I don't mean to make it stands out LOL sorry.....
spark67
August 14, 2011 at 11:09 PM
If she did sign a contract that stipulated that she work only 5 days a week and NOT past midnight, and this contract was breached, the professional thing would be to contact KBS and call for a lawyer to sue the production/broadcast for a breach of contract. Why didn't she do this? This would prove to both the public that she was living up to her contractual obligations while the production/broadcasting company was NOT and she could have had the courts ensure the production/broadcast companies live up to their contractual obligations. And if that was really the major reason, why hasn't she made any public statements about why she opted out of going to the shoot? Regardless of what her reasons are, she should at least attempt to be professional in which a MAJORITY of actresses work under similar, if not worse conditions. I'm NOT saying that the current working conditions for actors/actresses is a good one. HOWEVER, while it's the only system in place for the 3 major networks, all the other actors/actresses work under the same conditions as HYS. They are equally tired, overworked, stressed, in poor health and rushed for time IN ADDITION to going off to shoot CFs and pose for fashion magazines. And what makes this even more interesting is that she's not a GREAT actress. Yes, she's OK - but we're not talking Jeon Ji Yeon category here. If we were, I might be tempted to be a little more sympathetic but I'm unconvinced that she's so great of an actress that she can start making unprofessional demands and get away with it. I assume that many Korean netizens feel the same way. Notice I didn't say it was FAIR. But perceptions usually come in when negative things start to happen and HYS did NOT handle this well - for herself or others around her.
In addition, there ARE more professional ways to protest what she considered "unjust treatment" than to just opt out of shooting. She is NOT the only actor involved and has put the rest of her cast and staff who are NOT involved in the so-called "spat" in limbo. Sorry, whichever way you look at it, NOT PROFESSIONAL, Han Ye Sul - not professional at all.
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snow
August 14, 2011 at 8:42 PM
hah? shinhwa fandom ain't all that. i like eric and minwoo, but jeez, let's not be high and mighty here. if han ye seul is doing this to protest the live shoot system and that changes for the better, is the shinhwa fandom going to love her instead of bashing her?
han ye seul is in pretty much every scene in myung-wol the spy, so i wouldn't say she's had a lot of time to rest anyway. besides, she's repeatedly asked for a lighter schedule even before filming for the drama began, but that obviously didn't work out. sure, the other actors are working just as hard - no doubt about that - but would you be happy only if han ye seul ends up another victim of the live shoot system like hong soo hyun? would you then laud her for her professionalism?
i don't disagree that han ye seul should have communicated her displeasure better and perhaps gone for a more conciliatory approach. but we don't really know the real ins and outs of the situation, so let's not be too quick to condemn her, and especially not just cuz your beloved eric is involved. ain't everything about shinhwa, duh.
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Sarratiger
August 15, 2011 at 12:29 AM
The thing about a corporation is if it's making money and cuts cost what else do you want. If you want things to change and you want it to happen now there is no conciliatory way to do it. You say what you want and you stick to it damn the consequences. Not saying that it is her intention to do so but if you want change the way filming is done, show how much it costs when one lead ends the productions and understand that the next idol can do the same. When these stations see how much the potential cost of a derailed drama is, they will change their practice. The thing is that her career is over. No other station is going to take a chance on her, but hey if she's doing it for the greater good all power to her.
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Enios51
August 15, 2011 at 4:21 AM
Haha, I don't know why but this response suddenly made me think of the whole Charlie Sheen ordeal. I think his case was similar to Han Ye Seul's...just wanted to mention that.
ajewell
August 15, 2011 at 4:02 AM
Honestly, she's going about this all wrong. Rather than coming across as a huge selfish, spoiled diva, who's willing to upset fans and broadcasters alike . . . she should've just gone in to do the stupid shoots.
. . .And then proceeded to faint dramatically.
Once safely in the hospital, her doctor could've explained that the live shoots were literally killing her, and that her poor, overworked body must rest before being re-released into the drama-making world.
Then she would've made her point without being viewed as an unprofessional whiny primadonna. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but a *true* actress could've faked it if necessary (ie, see 1N2D). ;)
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18 Aime
August 14, 2011 at 8:12 PM
I don't like the live shooting system either but there is no other way to voice concern other than stopping the whole broadcast, disrupting the schedule of all her fellow cast & crew?
I heard KBS will take legal action if she won't show up for filming. If she has her case, she'll prevail but in the mean time I guess we won't see any SMW for a while? I really hope both side can work together rather than taking each other to court.
http://www.allkpop.com/2011/08/kbs-will-take-legal-action-against-han-ye-seul-if-she-does-not-show-up
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Uca
August 14, 2011 at 8:27 PM
I hope so
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19 D:
August 14, 2011 at 8:12 PM
Wasnt the schedules mismatched because she delayed the shoot by 9 hours the previous day
I heard Han Ye Seul has a diva reputation is it true
I dont blame LDH for her EOE incident so i'm on the fence with Han Ye Seul to hear her reasoning.
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20 amg01
August 14, 2011 at 8:17 PM
IMHO, Han Ye-seul has made the right choice, I am loving this drama, but at the end of the day if in her contract she stipulated, that she will work only five days a week, and no more than 10 hour days, and no over night shoots, than why is she being blame for the production team stupidity, I think if that is the case, than legally she has the upper hand, and the production team and the TV station are at fault.
I am bum about it, but if that is what she needs to do, for her own benefit I cannot blame her, on the other hand I am glad that she is standing for what is right in this case!!!
Han Ye-seul FTW.... Fighting!!!!!!!
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UGHHH
August 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM
Maybe you missed the whole story about her being late six hours one day for a shoot.
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appie
August 15, 2011 at 1:37 AM
I'm not going to side with anyone since there isn't enough facts. But if this about her schedule in her contract, then SHE should be the one calling her lawyer and threaten to sue for breach of contract, and from what I gather she didn't. She just refused to show up, which puts her in disadvantage in legal terms, as they can sue her for her breach of contract... She could've handled this situation a little better?
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21 Arhazivory
August 14, 2011 at 8:17 PM
Do they need anymore reasons to re-assess the live-shoot thing? -_-'
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22 ck1Oz
August 14, 2011 at 8:18 PM
Sigh.I am still watching but not vested enough to get that upset.
I am here because I loved the actor who was in Powerful Opponents.
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23 tomo
August 14, 2011 at 8:19 PM
I guess it's a good thing I stopped watching this only a few episodes in?
But even if I loved it and was avidly following it, news of this sort would seriously mar enjoyment of the remaining episodes of the drama.
I think it would be most difficult for Eric, as the main romantic male lead. Despite how professional the remaining cast may attempt to be, I can't see how future shootings can possibly be pleasant.
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snow
August 14, 2011 at 8:27 PM
well, eric and han ye seul seemed to have good rapport off-screen (it helps that they both speak english). so hopefully that'll help ease the awkwardness if and when shooting resumes.
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tomo
August 14, 2011 at 10:19 PM
But this is Eric's first comeback project post-military.. :( it's bad enough that that the ratings have been low, and now this..
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LadyF
August 15, 2011 at 12:35 AM
yup..i feel you tomo..my concern goes to eric..i mean how is he dealing with this? and so what is the conclusion of the drama then? will be stopped immediately or they just shoot with whatever left? haishh!!! this news drive me even crazier than watching the ending of epi 10!!!!!
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24 Bloated
August 14, 2011 at 8:20 PM
KBS should just release the controversial lesbian episode/drama in place of the delay and empty time slot! :p
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amg01
August 14, 2011 at 8:28 PM
Amen!!!!! Sister!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahah....
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Mia
August 14, 2011 at 8:51 PM
Yay! Well said!
(Though I hear that they cancelled all reruns of that episode - dam the influence-of-public-opinion.)
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25 abc123
August 14, 2011 at 8:20 PM
Can we get a special full of NGs and BTS not a summary of the episodes like Heartstrings' special?
p/s: too lazy to comment on all the hullabaloo
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KDrama Fan
August 14, 2011 at 9:02 PM
If we have to have a special I would like to see NGs too. Anything to lighten the atmosphere.
Wishing the series well.
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angelpur
August 15, 2011 at 3:23 AM
Agree. If i wanted a summary I would just rewind the best bits (ala ep 10, where I have seen the last 7 mins for about 20 times) so its a complete waste of time. wouldn't mind tuning in with bts though. I would love to see interactions between hys and eric.
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26 jossy
August 14, 2011 at 8:21 PM
oh man that was such a fantabulous ending we had last week! anyway, I have my opinions on the live-shoot system and they're mostly, well not great. But they have produced some remarkable Dramas this way, and most likely on the expense of cast and crew involved's Physical and Mental health.. not cool but it's done that way. As far as not honoring conracts go and M.I.A'n the shoot, Be it Diva 'Tude or legit reasons it remains to be seen. let's say I'm sitting purrrdy in the neutral fence.
p.s the last post about the Ron sisters turned into a little minefield of it's own regarding this topic, telepathic readers we have here. lol
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27 Noemi
August 14, 2011 at 8:23 PM
Oh man, this is why I should seriously learn to wait until a drama has aired all its episodes to start watching! I become attached to a show with the first few episodes and then even if the drama turns into a train wreck, I have to muddle through and finish it. :(
On one hand, this seems really unprofessional of HYS, but on the other hand, we probably don't know the whole story.
I think you have a good point when you say that if they delay this week's episodes to next week, it would resolve the unneeded extension issue. I hadn't thought it that way.
Anyways, thanks for the update! :)
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28 lois
August 14, 2011 at 8:24 PM
I was going to say this in the other thread that got really really off-topic but refrained considering that it was already too off-topic:
People kept mentioning: oh, people get back to shooting with broken bones and dire conditions, why can't she? This is SO unprofessional.
Isn't this like saying "Oh, some people will jump off cliffs to save their girlfriends. You're too logical? Ohkay, I guess you don't love me"
Netizens can't make jeopardizing one's health permanently the norm for "professionalism." Professionalism should be limited to carrying out the tenets of the contract well. Anything more than that, kudos to the actress, but others shouldn't be criticized for not going beyond what's stipulated.
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v
August 14, 2011 at 8:41 PM
well said!
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Aime
August 14, 2011 at 8:51 PM
It's how HYS handling the situation here. Kudo to her for does what she think is right BUT you can't stop people from making the comparison to other actresses & actors, like most recently PSH return to Heartstring filming before she completely healed from her car accident. Yes, HYS is tired but she's not sick being hospitalized to stop the entire production & broadcast like this. So I understand the unprofessional comparison.
KBS had changed the PD on her request to accommodate her, she is tired with long hours and so are the PDs, cast & crew members. She's not newbie in K-biz, she's aware of the crazy filming system when she signs up for it. I wish she handled it in a better way rather than this. She has the gut to pull this I guess she kinda expects the heat is coming her way.
I really hope both KBS, the production & HYS can come to a solution, although it's going to be awkward returning to the set if everything work out.
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cranky
August 14, 2011 at 10:08 PM
Well said. This is exactly what I think about this brouhaha.
I don't fault HYS for standing up for her rights at all but she should have handled it better. She's been in the business for years so it's not that she doesn't know how the system works. She can, of course, state her objections but not at the expense of everyone else who's been working their asses off for this too. She's a big star and I'm sure she has some kind of clout to at least have a word with the biggies at KBS without having to jeopardize the entire production.
The way it is happening now, if the reports are to be believed, people will view HYS is being all about ME ME ME and this is totally not acceptable in the Korean society.
Keeping my fingers crossed but it's not gonna be pretty if the filming resumed and all parties involved will be in for a very uncomfortable shooting environment. I just pity all the other actors who's as invested as anyone else to be dragged into this situation.
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Aime
August 14, 2011 at 10:41 PM
you know, reading more how the things unfold, I think scheduling isn't the real problem but the clash between HYS & PD Hwang is the cause of the problem.
I'm elaborating here: if scheduling is the real issue, she can easily stick to her gun and tell the production that they had agreed to this schedule so she'll only film during these hours and come to work at the agreed time frame. That way instead of NOT showing at all, she can still keep her stand on scheduling and avoiding all the backlash
That is why I'm guessing the real reason for the no show is she just can't work with PD Hwang any more instead of long hours or scheduling issue. So the question is to replace HYS or PD Hwang? hell, I wish I have the answer
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cranky
August 15, 2011 at 4:18 AM
OK, if that's the case, this really wouldn't put her in a good light at all. At least to me, it wouldn't.
Firstly, if she's got beef with the PD, they're old enough to know that they have to work things out between themselves without having to drag the entire production down with them. By backing out like that when the production has already been broadcasted half way through, to me, it looks like a petulant child threatening her parents. That is simply unforgivable because she IS the star of the production and this is not a new drama that hasn't been on air yet and could be pulled off at any time. It's not like her role was a 2nd- string or 3rd-string character that can be written off just like that. So that is simply unforgivable.
Secondly, I think she really should stand up and state her case personally. She, at least, owe her cast mates, the production team and the audience that much.
And apparently, not sure if it's true or mere rumour, she flew off to the States today... So is she really abandoning ship? I am hoping not because there's no way to redeem that.
notevenfunny
August 15, 2011 at 7:37 AM
Nope. KBS did not change the PD. They brought in an assistant PD, which is actually the norm for the live shoot drama system.
And also, they did not agree to her request exactly, what they did was like putting a bandaid to a broken arm.
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29 mud
August 14, 2011 at 8:25 PM
I've kinda half-checked out of this drama aroung ep4 or so, but I still hope it makes it through to completion at least. It would really suck to have it just hanging there... though maybe that's the sort of example broadcasters need to eliminate the live-shoot system? If that's the case, then Myung-wol the Lamb may be the first since nothing can go on without the lead.
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30 biankoy
August 14, 2011 at 8:26 PM
Hahaha! now I'm glad I stopped watching at episode 2! Not that I didn't like it but because my work can't stand another kdrama addiction (i.e Best Love, my weeks starrts and end with it) so I decided to wait for it to finish before I devour it completely.
oh but I hope they can resolve this soon!
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natngnear
August 14, 2011 at 8:44 PM
Congrats for not having to be on the cliff-hanging spot like me.. >___< last week's episode was the best!
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31 Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 8:32 PM
I also dislike the live-shoot system, so please don't get me wrong.
My close friend's mother works in the Korean entertainment industry. She has heard so many stories about how rude Han Ye Seul is. She has a terrible reputation amongst the staff. And yes, I totally believe her. There is no way so many people could believe something that was not true to some extent.
That said, there are many things that seem fishy from Han Ye Seul's side.
A) If her health is *really* so bad, why hasn't she gone to a hospital?
B) She was continuously late over and over again and would leave the set without telling anyone. This is what caused her shoots to go overtime. Why is this the producer's fault?
C) The staff, the same film directors, producers, etc all stayed up the same amount of time as her. Why aren't they complaining as well? Why were they there on time?
D) Again, if her health is bad, why not call and say so? Why not go to the media about it beforehand? Why wait until AFTER being called out?
E) If they filmed 40% without her, that means she's not in as many scenes as people are claiming.
F) Why did she make them wait 9 hours and THEN show up if she was, after all, feeling so terribly?
It just doesn't add up.
I'm not saying that the producer's side is all good. But it seems like Han Ye Seul was tired or felt other schedules were more important and decided to skip out and sleep in. "Health" can cover anything, but if she really was sick, you'd think they'd be more specific as to seem more credible. Maybe her management just sucks, but that seems the obvious thing to do.
My problem with this is not whether she is ill or not (which is questionable), but how she handled it. Those people who are around her need her in order to feed their families and to pursue their own careers. Just because she's famous doesn't mean that she doesn't owe it to the team to be there.
If you are sick from your job, you don't call your boss and say "Sorry, I'm not coming anymore from now on". Which is why I think the health reason is a lie or not the whole truth of it.
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Javabeans
August 14, 2011 at 8:34 PM
A few clarifications:
She told the PD she would miss the shoot.
They shot 40% of this week's episodes WITH her, prior to the canceled shoots.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 8:37 PM
I know she told the PD she would miss the shoot (not come). But she didn't tell them previously when she was late several times. I read the article.
As for the 40%, okay.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM
Also some other points:
If her contract was THAT unfair - why didn't she take action against it or lodge a complaint?
Anyway now KBS says they will sue her if she doesn't show up.
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lois
August 14, 2011 at 8:45 PM
lol and you bring up your "insider connections" again
As far as I know (without my insider connections, of course) the contract stated that filming would end at midnight and there were specific time limitations; thus, the production violated the contract first.
As for the "showing up after 9 hours" I think that was unintentional as she said that she accidentally fell asleep after a late-night shoot. I think everyone's had a day when they were so tired and exhausted we just crash.
Also, actresses, unlike other staffers, need to look pretty in front of the camera or else netizens will criticize her too. Add in the time that they need to prepare for the shoots (2 hours approx) and she gets almost no time to herself... it's worth mentioning that her work is more physically demanding than many of the staffers like the makeup artists..
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 8:58 PM
Most people in Korea know at least one person who works within the entertainment business. It's not that special.
Han Ye Seul's management said the shoot was supposed to end at 2. So whether or not it was supposed to end at midnight each day is questionable. If that was the case, why didn't she take legal action against them to begin with for violating the contract if she was so offended/over worked.
"That late night shoot" was filming for the same drama. She was late before and pushed back the filming time, so of she had to work overtime for the time that she missed.
And where did you get the information about her oversleeping? I've never read an article that said that. Either way, she would have had to purposely turn off her phone to not be contacted by her management if that was the case, because I'm sure they'd have been calling her like crazy. Again, if her health is that bad, why isn't she in a hospital? They are on almost every street corner in Korea.
"Need to look pretty"? Really, is that *hard work*?
Staffers such as mic holders, directors, cameramen, supporting actors, etc are on their feet the whole time doing physical work, it's not just about the makeup artists. That's who I'm talking about. She's not the only one who has it hard.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 8:59 PM
Edit: replace Korea with Seoul
lois
August 14, 2011 at 9:18 PM
lol last comment since I have other things to do but...
yes I know, I actually know a KBS PD ;) but I don't reference him for rumors. I'm not saying that she should have overslept or that she was justified - but it was a mistake and it should be left at that. It may bring consequences that she has to accept but people need to stop treating it like an intentional move like she wanted to shut down her own drama or something.
Also, for oversleeping (my area of expertise) I remember in college we had a performance at Carnegie Hall and as the principal cellist, even though I had a horrible headache and dizziness as if the music was swirling in front of my eyes, I had to take 3 Tylenol since "the show must go on." However, when I got back to the hotel, I fell into such a deep sleep I slept through multiple alarms, phone calls and my roommate even put her finger under my nose to check that I wasn't dead. Exhaustion isn't something that can be simply treated in a hospital - they can give you ringers but the best long-term solution is rest.
And the "looking pretty" and "hard work" weren't supposed to be linked -_-. I meant the exhaustion is going to take a toll on her appearance - her skin, her dark circles, etc... and for the hard work I meant multiple retakes of action scenes...
Aime
August 14, 2011 at 9:17 PM
I don't know where you get your info (without your insider connections) that her filming contract said it ends at midnight since in the rep from Sidus response to the media said the following: As reports said, it is true that she was also late for filming on August 12th. Yesterday, however, filming was scheduled to end at 2 AM but it ended at 5 AM instead" If her contract ends at midnight like you said why did she go for that scheduled filming that ends at 2AM that day?
You're not happy when production can't sticks to the exact schedule but then it's okay for her being "unintentionally 9-hour-late". I'm okay that she was tired and probably over slept but why not show up the next day even late?
Filming has unexpected delays (elements, other factors...) it's hard to stick to a fixed schedule and that's why live shooting sucks.
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Huhulu
August 15, 2011 at 11:18 AM
Well it could be possible that because HYS overslept, they extended the rest of the week's schedule by two hours each day.
If her contract terms are true, then I'm with HYS on is one. Personally I've gotten heat by other people (in HYS's case netizens) who don't consider my situation (contract) and compare me to other people (PSH, YSH). So I don't think it would be fair for HYS to receive all the blame and for people to judge her so harshly IF her contract is true.
Mia
August 14, 2011 at 9:21 PM
Lois,
Sorry but you're criticizing someone about "insider connections" (my quotes are not sarcastic, just normal quotes) yet you're making a couple of ridiculous assumptions.
1. Actors *need* to look pretty in front of the camera or netizens will criticize them?
I don't think her dark circles would cause such pandemonium. And I don't think by saying that you're giving her much credit either. She clearly went into this decision of not coming on set knowing she will be criticized. If your defending her, and one of your defenses is she's not coming to set for her "beauty-up-keep" it's not a defense. She's already being criticized and I'll give her the credit of not worry about her looks affecting things like writing, directing, and all the other actor's and staff's work.
2. Why is her work more demanding then other staffers? Why would you make such a claim? I have no idea what goes on in that world so I don't make points like that. I give the staff the benefit of the doubt though - I've seen them tired enough in the 1n2d scenes where there sprawled on the floor in 'petite morte' to assume everyone's job is significant and tiring in their own ways.
I'm not trying to criticize you personally either. Nor by disagreeing with you am I taking a stance with the issue. I simply haven't read enough to be passionate about it. But what I am passionate about is those two above points, I really think you should reconsider them.
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Mia
August 14, 2011 at 9:27 PM
Hey Lois,
Sorry I just looked up (after my own posting published) and saw you clarify what you meant in your last paragraph about her looks affecting her personally and the action scenes being tiring.
If I had read your clarification before posting I probably would have opted not to write anything and be a passive observer. If I reacted to strongly, please understand it was to the original tone of the original post and not having read your clarifying statement.
malta
August 15, 2011 at 8:44 AM
It's ok to simply admit not liking an actress, in this case HYS. It would make more sense than vilifying HYS sooooo much because you think she was unprofessional.
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Sarratiger
August 15, 2011 at 12:49 AM
I understand you up to a point.
C) The same people who depend on KBS for a pay check will not complain to any media reporters. If you ever want to work in the entertainment industry it's best not to have a reputation for being a trouble maker. Don't say if so bad why aren't more people complaining. No one who has a family to support would risk their lively hood to defend a actress that no one really seems to like.
I do agree with you about being late. You can't show up to work late then ask what time do we get off. IF it's how they reported it, and it's just the actress having a power trip, take the show dark. Really dark. I mean the gun's amo was switched out with real rounds, and the rest of the drama is to track down who killed her. But that's just me ;-)
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Sarratiger
August 15, 2011 at 12:51 AM
Hi yeah this was for Laeah. I'm still getting use to writing replies. Ignore all errors :-)
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32 crazedlu
August 14, 2011 at 8:33 PM
usually i'm quick to side with the stars, but i can't this time. i mean, i get that she's tired, and yeah, she may have bartered for a five day work week, but as we all know, being an actor is not some ordinary job. there's definitely some hustling involved and you do what you can to get those shots. sacrifices have to be made for the fame, right?
maybe it's just me, but i wouldn't expect any more or less as an actor in korea.
i'm not a fan of the live shoot system either, but korean audiences are so hard to satisfy, it really does seem to benefit, more than hurt, productions and actors and actresses.
seriously, in the states, when shows aren't getting the support and ratings they need, they're taken off air like they're nothing. so the fact that these korean broadcasting stations let them finish off their series, even when ratings are low, is amazing enough. maybe that's why i'm still hoping america adopts mini-series styled shows.
if she does return to set, all i can say is, awwkwaarrd.
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tinyviolin
August 15, 2011 at 9:45 AM
I'm also not a fan of the live shoot system, for the health reasons of everyone involved (actors the most visible victims, but at least they get press when they fall over, I imagine the crew has NO say in how long or hard they work, as well as very little recognition).
I don't agree, though, that the live shoot benefits the show, actually. I've abandoned a lot of dramas that started out strongly, and then fell apart like wet paper in later episodes. JB or GF, or both, mentioned before that *planning* the direction of your drama is important, the most important thing being the END. Logical, yanno? Apparently not. And why is everyone consistently underestimating how loooong it takes to work out the story? It seems like most productions are like, 'oh, yeah...we'll cross that bridge when we do, la di da di da...' ...and then end up like, 'ahh shit, what are we DOING tomorrow??'
My abso-favorite drama, technically, is Story of a Man. Oh, wow. It was probably a live-shoot, but they knew what they were doing, audience fickleness be damned. So, so good. So good. That drama.
Coffee Prince was the first drama I ever saw, and it made me stay for more. Now, if I had started out on Lie to Me....
So, what are the pros of having a live shoot? I get it's for the ratings, and that's something usually at war with artistic freedom. I'm also not a netizen or a Korean audience member. I'm also probably harder to please....
I'm also selfish. More story! Good stories will get you good ratings, I swears it! Please meeee nao. Stop looking back at your audience to direct you once you start rolling, and just go.
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shiroimomo
August 15, 2011 at 3:02 PM
I totally agree, I think there's something very wrong with the live shoot system. And if this whole debacle is about scheduling, then I think maybe HYS is right... (not saying that I completely agree with how she is handling the situation).
Did anyone SEE how many times she did that scene where Eric shoots her as an extra and she falls into that wooden crate? Ok, maybe it was a stunt double, but regardless, this isn't a drama with just dialogue and banter. There are some crazy action stunts, lots of running, and HYS twirling sticks : )
I think we should give her a little benefit of the doubt here. She's not just a character in a drama that requires her to wear cut clothes and carry around a gayageum, she's doing physical labor here!
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33 woodpeck
August 14, 2011 at 8:36 PM
If this turns out to be all Han Ye Seul's doing, which I am praying so bad that it isn't because I really like her, she has to think about her other cast members! D: What if the chemistry with her romantic interests evaporates into thin air? What if no one wants to work with her anymore?
But I'm proud that HYS is fighting against live-shooting because it's just seems like this system is getting worse and worse. I mean, it's not the best way to fight it if her co-workers begin to dislike her though, which I hope it won't turn out to be like that... sigh.
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34 natngnear
August 14, 2011 at 8:39 PM
i've been tortured since Tuesday night for the next episode.. haha.. now i kinda give up..
like JB, i'm not ready to blame her based on these info.. though it is very unprofessional, korean entertainment has a lot of crazy things happening that we don't know.. a loss of reputation could be the only way to resolve problems..
anyhow, can they switch to a new drama but make sure to continue with this later on? LOL
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The Real CZ
August 14, 2011 at 8:44 PM
Poseidon is next and that drama has its own problems to deal with lol.
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natngnear
August 14, 2011 at 8:52 PM
Poor Eric >__< He was supposed to be in Poseidon, which had a problem.. and now SMW.. another problem..
If Birdie Buddy hadn't been picked up i would recommend that... Oh, why not "What's Up?" hahaha
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Arhazivory
August 14, 2011 at 8:55 PM
This is not a good year for KBS.
1. The JYJ thing. (Still pissed off about it)
2. The Poseidon thing.
3. The BIGGEST thing yet - potential loss of National MC Kang Ho Dong.
4. The Lesbian thing.
5. The Spy Myung-Wol thing.
-_-'
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appie
August 15, 2011 at 1:48 AM
LOLOL KBS is full controversy this year!
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angle2mx
August 15, 2011 at 8:36 AM
Hi what is the JYJ thing?
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D:
August 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Jeju Governemnt chose JYJ as Jeju ambassadors for Jeju N7W campaign
JYJ fans and JYJ have worked to promote Jeju for months
JYJ's appointment ceremony was supposed to be a few weeks ago and it was tied in with a mini concert that was to be aired through KBS
If you anything about JYJ they sued SM entertainment to get out of "slave contracts" and they have won an injunction to carry out their activities freely without interference but SM Ent has been blocking JYJ from TV appearances for two years
They still cant sing or go variety shows the only way they can promote is through dramas
Howver, broadcasting corps and big Ent. comapnies have a corrupt relationship
So basically 4 days before the scheduled performance when thousands of int. JYJ fans were flying in to Jeju to hear them KBS cancelled JYJ's appearance and replaced them with FX and SNSD which are two groups from SM Ent. Basically they had the Jeju event without the Jeju ambassadors
So JYJ lost their chance to sing on TV for the 2nd time in two years
JYJ fans who were flying in lost the money they spent'
JYJ fans as a whole felt used because they had been promoting Jeju for months
JYJ were screwed over ..once again
Result: KBS is a D-Bag that bows down to dirty ent. companies even though its funded by the taxpayer
35 Anh Nguyen
August 14, 2011 at 8:47 PM
I don’t care who is right or wrong. But this is so unprofessional. :( In fact, I think it shows the lack of respect to the audience as well.
The show must go on. It seems that she forgets that motto.
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yui
August 15, 2011 at 4:29 AM
agree!!!
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36 Alvina
August 14, 2011 at 8:49 PM
I think we need a fun happy "Eric" twitter post to liven things up :D
Honestly though, I just hope the drama finishes on a good note. It has a brilliant, unique storyline and I could care less for real life internal political squabbles as long as they dont effect my reel life.
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natngnear
August 14, 2011 at 8:53 PM
Eric stopped tweeting due to the recent tweet controversy T__T I miss his crazy tweets too~
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KDrama Fan
August 14, 2011 at 9:05 PM
Tell us more...
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natngnear
August 14, 2011 at 9:18 PM
You can read the translation of his last tweets here..
http://shinhwa.biz/forums/showthread.php?14959-11.08.12-Trans-Eric-Tweet&p=167635#post167635
Not sure u can see the link unless u're a member. Anyhow, it's due to his previous 'religious' tweets, which was somehow sensitive and some netizens couldn't accept it. He apologized, etc but would stop tweeting for a while until things become more quiet..
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DramaQueen
August 15, 2011 at 1:21 AM
Is it me or are Korean netizens really sensitive? They'll probably have a heart attack at what our side of the world says about religion...
DramaQueen
August 15, 2011 at 1:21 AM
Is it me or are Korean netizens really sensitive? They'll probably have a heart attack at what our side of the world says about religion...
Alvina
August 14, 2011 at 9:14 PM
It was because of the Buddhism vs Christianity conversation with a netizen right? I cant believe that the backlash over that made him take a break from twitter for awhile :/
Though I understand, religion is a sensitive issue [even though I dont know the context of this particular discussion, it couldnt have been good, for him to go to that lengths]. Then again, netizens tend to exacerbate situations LOL.
Hope things are okay soon. The Shinhwa fans are started to sharpen their pitchforks already.
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rendezvous
August 14, 2011 at 8:59 PM
I WISH Eric would tweet too. But like the above said, due to HIS own problems and controversy he had to stop (for a while, think).
:( So many sad things happening to this cast!
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Alvina
August 14, 2011 at 9:15 PM
http://shinhwa.biz/forums/showthread.php?14959-11.08.12-Trans-Eric-Tweet&p=167635#post167635
<-- translation.
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rendezvous
August 14, 2011 at 9:26 PM
His apology... wow, so genuine and heart felt. Kudos to you, Eric. All the best.
Also thanks for the link!
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Memlu
August 14, 2011 at 10:15 PM
Oh, goodness, wow. I hadn't previously had much of an opinion one way or another re: Eric (handsome! quirky! funny! eh!) but that really is a very sincere, very genuine apology. Much better and much classier than what I've come to expect of celebrities who've made even a minor misstep, and his willingness to step back and to rethink things is impressive. Suddenly, a new Eric fan is born!
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37 Aya
August 14, 2011 at 8:52 PM
A+ witch hunting & sensationalism, netizens
does anyone honestly believe an actress would risk her career and push at the double standards in korea to ostracise herself?
Paps should shut up, KBS looks unprofessional with this passive-agressive shit, her managment should have been on this from the start, not wait till it's turned into this disaster, the live-shoot system has been discussed before... can't argue for something dangerous and life-threatening, right?
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The Real CZ
August 14, 2011 at 8:54 PM
One of the best comments I've read all day about this.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 9:09 PM
If she's in the right, why didn't she make that obvious instead of going into hiding basically until the reports came out? Hmm?
If I wanted to make my name clear and I had done no wrong, I'd be the first one out there protesting against the ill treatment.
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Aya
August 14, 2011 at 9:34 PM
she did, pls read the post
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Positive
August 14, 2011 at 10:47 PM
what's wrong with you???? You are just being tooooooooooooo negative!! Who knows what KBS has done very unprofessionally before? and now, the way KBS is handling is very unprofessional...they totally blamed it on her (i don't think this is all her fault...both sides might have their problems)..so stop being super negative on HYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Positive
August 14, 2011 at 10:48 PM
I meant to reply laeah
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malta
August 15, 2011 at 8:52 AM
I like how you laid it out on the table with no B.S.
If I were an actor/idol/whatever, I would plead with my manager not to make me work with KBS.
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38 Canto
August 14, 2011 at 9:02 PM
Oh sigh... and I just started watching episodes of this too.
Only episodes, because I am too busy to follow a drama all the way through... so I ve only snatched episodes where Dramabeans and GF have recapped and I really like them...
Yeah, I seriously like Eric or Kang or whatever he is called...
He has a carefree, impulsive, heck-the-devil may care vibe about him that is so liberating. Not to mention, he is like a little teasing boy, with lots of man appeal sexiness...
And a little blur, and a little confused... and I really liked like rags to riches story... and overcoming the odds by his determination, hard work and seize the day attitude!
You can tell that I am fan girling here and I am too old to be fan girling...
Can anyone tell me what other recent works he has done?
Thanks!
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Uca
August 14, 2011 at 9:10 PM
you should watch Que Sera Sera. Eric was way sooooooooooo hot in that.
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angle2mx
August 15, 2011 at 8:39 AM
That was the best. Also there is super rookie. I remember it being good.
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39 girl with tardis
August 14, 2011 at 9:06 PM
I don't know all the details, so I can't speak to Han's professionalism or lack thereof. In general, however, it isn't practical to expect someone - anyone - to work all day and then return the next day with only two hours of sleep. I understand that there are probably going to be breaks during the day, but that doesn't make up for a lack of full night's rest. Prolonged sleep deprivation can have serious physical and psychological reprocussions. I don't know how much of this is on HYS and how much is on the schedule, but I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt until firmly convinced otherwise.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 9:10 PM
Korean high school students do this for years on end.
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snow
August 14, 2011 at 9:24 PM
you really have your knives out for han ye seul, don't you?
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rendezvous
August 14, 2011 at 9:28 PM
lmfao it seems so.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 9:39 PM
No I would do the same if anyone acted in this manner. I'm not an Anti, even though I know she's not a nice person. I posted so much because people kept misquoting what happened.
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snow
August 14, 2011 at 9:51 PM
and you happen to have ALL the facts? or are you perhaps an authority on all things han ye seul? working in the myung-wol production crew? fly on han ye seul's room wall?
if not, sheath your knives for the moment. won't kill you to cut the girl and everyone else some slack.
rendezvous
August 14, 2011 at 10:07 PM
I don't think anyone knows really what has "happened". The news articles that have come up are still leaving people confused. So if you would, please, stop with trying to make it seem like you know full well what has happened.
While I appreciate your own input, I do think you're starting to use your dislike for Ye Seul to irrationally hate on her.
You don't like her, you've heard some stuff, okay fine but the korean industry, along with its PDs and its companies, can be pretty brutal too. HYS has gotten so much heat and backslash for the past two days, so I'm pretty sure it won't hurt to be a little bit lenient on the girl.
That said, I'm not a big fan of HYS, never really got into her other stuff before this but I do think that both are clearly at fault, otherwise it wouldn't be a dispute, no? Which is why it will help for the crew's situation and the drama as well (seriously a cliffy like ep 10! ahh) to just keep our head level about this whole issue.
Memlu
August 14, 2011 at 10:25 PM
And it's terrible then, too. It doesn't make it any less brutal or demanding for an actor to deal with.
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anais
August 14, 2011 at 11:01 PM
She's not a high school student. She's nearly 30. The body does get older and less able to cope. I just wrapped up a grueling summer-long engagement, without a single day off for at least eight weeks. Yet even I was getting more sleep (approx 4 hrs/night) than these actors generally get. Nonetheless, even with more sleep, I have never felt my body be so wrecked. I went into this summer pretty fit. Now I feel like a granny, unable to stand straight, walk decently, one arm feeling dislocated a bit, etc. And all I needed was my stamina and brain. My looks obviously went out the window. The one day each week I had to sleep in - I passed out for a minimum of 12 hours and still felt as if I'd been hit with an 18-wheeler.
Anyhow, with all the talk about Han Ye Seul not handling this well, I wonder if part of the problem may be that she might have been conked out for an extended period. I hope she was.
Diva or not, I hope (though I ain't holding my breath) this prompts industry folks to reconsider the live shoot system.
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girl with tardis
August 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM
You made my point a lot better than I did. Thanks!
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Jess
August 15, 2011 at 5:35 AM
I just wanted to say that you officially have the best username ever. DW!!
girl with tardis
August 15, 2011 at 8:53 AM
Thanks Jess! (This wouldn't let me reply directly to your reply.) I was completely stumped as to what to use, and ended up going with something not remotely Korean...but I guess that just means that it's about time for the Doctor to show up in ancient Korea.
anais
August 14, 2011 at 11:26 PM
I just remembered that I actually got into a car accident from being so sleep deprived. Thankfully, no one was hurt but it was a major wake up call, pun intended heh.
To be serious, the car accident made me realize that, while I knew my body was seriously compromised, I didn't know the true extent.
And psychologically, I was definitely skirting danger. So glad that the engagement is over!
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Bee
August 15, 2011 at 12:35 AM
That's so true. For all we know, she might have had a nervous breakdown from being overworked... things like that happen when you're at your limits, and the "arguing with the PD" seems to point into that direction as well. i mean, she wasn't reported to be arguing that explosive in general on set, right?
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girl with tardis
August 14, 2011 at 11:16 PM
Considering this, I'm not sure that has healthy long term results:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/world/asia/23southkorea.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
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anais
August 14, 2011 at 11:31 PM
This is so sad.
South Korea as a whole ranks first among O.E.C.D. nations in suicide...
This is not the first place ranking one ought to aspire toward.
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XS
August 14, 2011 at 11:25 PM
Wow I'm glad with the fact that I'm not a Korean High School Student.
because "Prolonged sleep deprivation can have serious physical and psychological reprocussions." it's probably one of the reason to commit suicide.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 11:44 PM
Yeah, I'm right there with you. But Koreans tend to live most their life without sleep after middle school, no matter what their profession is.
Again, probably causes some depression.
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Elina
August 15, 2011 at 4:37 AM
Korean high school students do this for years on end... and then sleep in class. I have some pictures - of 4 different classmates - to prove it. I mean, in less than a month, that's a lot.
An actress cannot sleep during a shoot. She needs to look fresh and to be able to concentrate on good acting.
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Avi
August 15, 2011 at 9:08 PM
ummm she grew up in America :P
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tomo
August 14, 2011 at 9:29 PM
Plenty of students and professionals in various industries, worldwide, get by on 2-4 hours a night. Not every single day of the year, but during exam seasons, to meet project deadlines, etc.
I'm not saying it's good, but using the 2 hours excuse won't cut it.
I don't know the stipulations in HYS's contract, so I won't remark on her issue directly.
But when leading actors/actresses are filming a drama, shoots lasting till the wee hours of the morning are common. PMY basically camped out on set during the latter half of SKKS. KSA recently said she doesn't even remember where home is. LSG when filming a drama concurrently with 1N2D, mentioned that he only gets to go home maybe two nights a week.
So when it's at live-shoot mode, forget about enough hours to sleep. If you're able to go home to get that sleep, be in 1-2 hours, it's a luxury.
I can't be the only person who pulled consecutive all-nighters speckled with 15 min power naps and 1-2 hours of sleep, in weekly blocks, in school and at work.
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girl with tardis
August 14, 2011 at 11:06 PM
I think you could make that argument for maybe one night, but for extended periods of time it's a stretch. Let's say a typical drama run is two and a half months. Maybe actors and crew members are not always only given two hours of each night, but the erratic nature of an individual's sleep schedule combined with a limited number of hours catches up with them eventually. To be fair, some people seem to need less sleep than others, or sleep in several smaller blocks of time rather than one extended one. My main criticism comes back to the live shoot system which many people have commented on here. I think the two hours excuse is perfectly legitimate for any working environment. The overall quality of performance on the job does go down for most people, whatever it is that they need to focus on. Individuals are more likely to make errors and find it difficult to concentrate while running on empty.
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jess23
August 14, 2011 at 11:46 PM
the two hrs for ppl in other professions might be for sleep and rest...but for actors/actresses, it may be learning their lines and stuff...not rest
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Momo
August 15, 2011 at 12:51 AM
You're right. They dont get the script with time to memorize and digest it, if its last minute with changes...pd conflicts...writers not professionally on time writing the script. Hell, I get cranky if I'm sleep deprive for a day...wut more if its days.
You need sleep to to retain what you have to memorize. Psychology 101
General comment: And seriously, why expect someone to be like everyone the broken rib guy/girl who still showed up to work. Everyone has different body coping mechanism. I hate to work for somebody who still expects/forces me to work when I'm not in perfect health.
I dont think that applies as unprofessional attitude. At some point, enough is enough when no one is listenning to you anymore.
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girl with tardis
August 15, 2011 at 9:03 AM
Yes, and even if we were to go back to the actors who went to work before completely healing after their accidents...would you advise an athlete to go back on the field with a leg injury? Or a singer to perform just after having a throat injury? If you don't let something heal properly the first time, you can end up hurting yourself more the second time.
Elina
August 15, 2011 at 4:44 AM
The 2-4 hours of sleep is a big debate, especially among ER workers. How can you think straight when you're sleep-deprived?
I wouldn't want my surgeon to be sleepy.
Or my pilots (cf the crash of KAL Flight 801 in 1997).
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girl with tardis
August 15, 2011 at 8:56 AM
Exactly.
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houstontwin
August 15, 2011 at 6:33 PM
Actors can end up on IV's or in the hospital on 2 hours a night of sleep. I think that it is pretty unusual to get by on 2 hours a nigh without side effects. Acting does not have to be an ordeal.
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40 mmmaggie
August 14, 2011 at 9:08 PM
I'm not an actor so I haven't experienced the live shoot system, but I have worked in Korea before and a problem I encountered regularly was what I was contractually obligated to do vs what my employer expected of me. When I finally said something about being asked to work over 40 hours a week for the same amount of pay when I was contracted to work 30, I was immediately labeled rude, disrespectful, and troublesome. The working environment was, in a word, poisonous and I had grown women - my alleged superiors - gossiping about me to my co-workers and giving me nasty looks whenever I walked in the room. Ultimately, my co-workers sided with me and even staged a walk out after I left (HA!), but that doesn't discount all the shit I had to deal with while I was there. Maybe it's the American Norma Rae mentality, but you can only push someone so much before they snap. I think Koreans tend to forget the ethics in 'work ethic.' Good luck to Han Ye Seul -- based on what I've read so far (mostly elsewhere), she's going to need it.
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anais
August 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM
This is what I presume too. I do wonder if there's a bit of a culture clash. Not that HYS doesn't know how Korea operates, but - if reports of the contract stipulations are true - she may have been bristling at the system.
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41 sally_b
August 14, 2011 at 9:08 PM
My take: insert the *surprise story* that Myung Wol was kidnapped back to North Korea by mysterious-guy-who-sits-in-chair-without face-shown...(random actress with bag over head, being dragged into car and whisked away)...spend the next two episodes with ONLY Kang Woo and Ryu (separately- exploring their inner angst & longing)
This would include loads of sweaty working-out and follow-up shower scenes. There's a LOT of time to fill up ----►so we'll need the PD to use many tight focus...slowwwwww moving~~ shots. After a mere two epsiodes the ratings would sky-rocket.
(of course, I'm kidding....sorta) but we all know the *system* is damaging to everyone's health ---and beyond whatever reasons THIS incident is occuring....the system needs attention/overhaul. So if we have to wait a coupla' weeks...OR...it gets shut down all-together, it's a very strong public revalation that the system is poisoned ...it can't be a completely bad thing to bring it into the light.
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krnxbeannie
August 14, 2011 at 9:11 PM
LOL
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sally_b
August 14, 2011 at 9:18 PM
heehee... :)
p.s.#1 I swear I know how to spell 'revelation'- just don't have an edit button
p.s.#2 I think right now I feel sorriest for the male leads..because if this does progress - both of them still have to pretend/act that their *in love* with the actress. Personally (unless extreme circumstance) I would be plenty-pissed-off...it's their career that's getting messed with. (sucks for everybody)
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 9:12 PM
If they could at least film up to the half way point before hand, they would at least not need to cram it in so fast and they would still have some flexibility for later episodes.
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sally_b
August 14, 2011 at 9:45 PM
@Laeah - I know right? seems like common sense.
But I can say from experience, having been on the post-production team for magazine publishing....everyone at the beginning of the process "borrows days" from the schedule. By the time you reach the date for post-production (editing/printing...or in this case airing) you're already 2 weeks behind.
I swear...no matter how realistic the scheduling tries to be ► the end of every *art* job is a chaotic relay-race. (I think that's why most artists are considered a little crazy) don't know if it's the job that causes it...or if you have to *be that way* to be interested in the first place.
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 10:18 PM
That's true, but it would still be better than what they are doing now. I don't know. It's frustrating period that they don't film it all first. I can see advantages with live-shoot, but if writers could just write everything all out and damn what people think and just have it all ready, I think it would be a lot easier.
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Alvina
August 14, 2011 at 9:19 PM
LOL, I wouldnt mind that storyline. Perhaps flashblack scenes or two or three.
Or perhaps, to include extra meta, we could call a break on the drama storyline so Eric/Kang can attend the premire of his movie whereupon the actual episode consists of us watching the movie as well lol.
But, I liked the idea of prolonged shower scenes better. ~_^
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sally_b
August 14, 2011 at 9:54 PM
ya know ~ ....if the advertising staff is worried about how to make sure they sell ALL their airtime....the work-out and follow-up shower scenes are an excellent source of product placement. (cheesy grin)
Especially if the entire hour is spent with well-lit, slowwwww moving camera angles...it's an advertiser's dream to get THAT much coverage. (right?) ;)
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Sarah
August 14, 2011 at 9:46 PM
best post thus far.
i wont mind the storyline hahahaha
and kudos to the dramabeans community for being so amazingly civil and to jb for putting the news out there as objectively as possible.
allkpop put the story up twice and both times i felt the blame was put on hys (be it intentionally or not). the comments on those pages frightened me cause there were many who were outright blaming the actress.
i have my own opinions but i dont see the point. the blame does not lie solely on one side and at the end of the day, the damage will be shouldered by all involved--production, actors and even the audiences both local and int'l.
clearly the issue that sticks out is that of the live shoot system and if this is what it takes to bring the poisoned system to the main focus, then so be it cause as much as i love my dose of kdramas, i'd hate for the health of any of the actors, production staff etc to be in jeopardy for the sake of entertainment.
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sally_b
August 14, 2011 at 10:00 PM
@Sarah - "cause as much as i love my dose of kdramas, i’d hate for the health of any of the actors, production staff etc to be in jeopardy for the sake of entertainment."
now that....is the truly the best post thus far.
thanks for that. ♥
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Laeah
August 14, 2011 at 10:01 PM
Reading the original Korean, I don't think there was any bias.
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Avi
August 15, 2011 at 9:11 PM
I wonder what the Korean people think about this... Do any of them have the same views on the live-shooting death-schedule as we do?
I mean, we don't exactly have as much influence as them right?
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42 Kuging-RN
August 14, 2011 at 9:14 PM
messy, messy,messy...
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43 komsuni1
August 14, 2011 at 9:17 PM
I really feel for HYS but frankly, she could have handled it better. Like, instead of calling, she could have sent her manager over with a medical certificate clearly stating that her health makes it impossible to go on filming. Something like that. Simply calling in to disrupt the schedule of a ton of people not to mention KBS and the audience was not the best way, unless she really wants to create a scandal... I love this drama and really like her and hope it all works out...
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44 Michelle
August 14, 2011 at 9:29 PM
Unfortunately it seems as though Han Ye-seul will be ostracized for airing out legitimate concerns about her contract and the Korean entertainment industry in general, and that's a very sad thing.
There can be blame to be placed on both sides, but it seems as though at this point she really didn't have a choice besides telling the PD that she was going to miss the shoot, and actually going through with it.
Unlike the American system, the Korean system does not have a union, or some party which can back actors and actresses if conditions are inadequate or harsh. Instead these individuals have to work with their PR and agents, and attempt to get a fair agreement with the production/TV companies. Or just "deal" with it, which has lead to several accidents, and injuries in the last several years.
However, if someone does speak out, it seems as though even they get backlash anyway regardless of how they handle it with the production company.
IMHO, the live-shoot system is unsustainable, and will lead to someone getting killed (which I hope to goodness never happens).
I'm not sure if Han Ye-seul's way was the right way to go, but if it helps in some way to prevent these live-shoot schedules to be changed for the better for EVERYONE involved (including the writers, directors, stage-hands, etc.) it will be a very good thing.
However, it seems as though the only way it will change is if a major star dies on set. And I honestly hope that that never, ever happens.
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Michelle
August 14, 2011 at 9:33 PM
Blah, I meant to say in the second to last paragraph:
"I’m not sure if Han Ye-seul’s way was the right way to go, but if it helps in some way to change these live-shoot schedules for the better for EVERYONE involved (including the writers, directors, stage-hands, etc.) it will be a very good thing."
It's just a very sad situation, and I hope it gets resolved soon.
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45 oddworld
August 14, 2011 at 9:31 PM
I always thought she looked like a bitchy bitch
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snow
August 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM
well, she could think the same of you...
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Alvina
August 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM
:(
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anais
August 14, 2011 at 11:14 PM
LOL!!
I'm sorry, oddworld, but snow has a point there. Let's leave the immature name calling to allkpop.
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Bee
August 15, 2011 at 12:36 AM
Snow, you Win. ^_^
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oddworld
August 15, 2011 at 4:33 AM
but I'm a guy
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snow
August 15, 2011 at 5:38 AM
so? bitchy behaviour is not gender-specific.
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ionizable
August 15, 2011 at 8:38 AM
WOO, TEAM SNOW
Avi
August 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM
^like ^^
oddworld
August 16, 2011 at 12:23 AM
I thought it was a known fact that only woman can be bitches
snow
August 17, 2011 at 1:45 AM
@oddworld: well, you just showed that men can be bitches too, hooray!
46 3pleX
August 14, 2011 at 9:32 PM
Korea's live shoot system for their dramas has got to stop! Kdrama producers stop treating your actors/actresses like slaves!!!
Han Ye Seul, fighting!!!
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47 Sushi
August 14, 2011 at 9:35 PM
Yikes... I feel terrible for Eric. Poseidon didn't work out, and now myung wol isn't wrapping up so nicely. Regardless of all of the supposed facts, I really just hope HYS and the PD resolve their issues and get on it. All this negativity is no good for the innocent parties involved.
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48 chewyish
August 14, 2011 at 9:35 PM
i'm actually getting kind of peeved with this whole mess since a former classmate of mine actually works on the set of myung-wol and the poor guy never gets sleep as it is.
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Memlu
August 14, 2011 at 10:18 PM
Something it's easy to lose sight of with all the focus on the actors - with live shoots, they aren't the only ones working overtime to make the schedule! The live shoot system's got to give way to something more reasonable, for the sake of everyone. I'm sorry about your classmate and I hope he'll at least get some rest this week.
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chewyish
August 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM
yeah it really hits home when you realize that someone you sat next to in class is suffering because of this whole mess.
it was his first drama too
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49 crazedlu
August 14, 2011 at 9:42 PM
y'know what the ULTIMATE solution to the live shoot system would be?
AMAAAZING WRITING.
if a story was written ahead of time, screened and deemed awesome for broadcast television with a few edits made during shooting, then, tadah, problem solved.
think me simplistic, but i'll continue to dream.
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The Real CZ
August 14, 2011 at 9:44 PM
Oh I agree. The writing (at least for SMW) has been a hot mess. Some episodes seemed uneven since they have 800 writers working together.
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Mia
August 14, 2011 at 9:52 PM
I agree 100%
Surely writers don't just make episodes on the influx of netizen comments? Why can't they have a good 50-60% of a shoot done - done well - thought out well - and then not have to really on this ridiculous concept of "shooting live" as having anything to do with ratings.
It's not like their going to make the second lead a first lead right? (And don't I hate them for that....)
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Alvina
August 14, 2011 at 10:00 PM
I think I've become saddened though because of all the "failures" of potential industry changers.
Worst of all, my highly anticipated but never shown "What's Up". It's like being stood up by a hot date, that's how sad I felt :/
I dont think they'll change a system that's proven so successful for a system that's proven so...well...not successful.
After all, half the fan fun is waiting for spoilers based on the "current" status of their stars and the fact that they can have a hypothetical say in what happens in the drama storyline.
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Mia
August 14, 2011 at 10:10 PM
I see you're point too. There was a couple cases with Taiwanese dramas that we're really quite good - that no one watched.
Simply because they had been filmed before hand 100% and then, sadly, leaked 100%
If I was investing a lot of time and money in a drama I would be tempted to go with the life-shoot system simply so that the above paragraph doesn't happen.
On the other hand, "situations" (car accidents, and etc.) are becoming far too frequent.
I see both points, I just don't think that the emphasis on changing the writing to the whims of live-production-input should be such a huge plus - you know? Writers and producers should be better then that!
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Sarratiger
August 15, 2011 at 1:12 AM
Remember that movie with LL Cool J Rollerball? Where the evil tv station lets people die because is helps the ratings. LOL. Luckily we're not at that point, otherwise we'd be out of actors by now.
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50 The Real CZ
August 14, 2011 at 9:42 PM
Han Ye Seul has filmed dramas before so for now I'm believing that she has a specific problem with the PD's conditions instead of the live shooting for dramas, seeing as she has filmed more dramas than movies in her career. With that said, she obviously has experience with the (terrible) live shooting system, but the problem she has stems with the PD.
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anais
August 14, 2011 at 11:21 PM
I'm inclined to go with Javabeans' take on this: that HYS asked for a reasonable schedule, was promised so, got push back probably from the PD?, leading to the working relationship going south.
In my experience, working with Koreans (not Korean-Americans) has been interesting. They assume I'll do things that even Korean-Americans and certainly not white Americans would think to presume, primarily because the latter are aware of liability issues in a litigious USA.
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