Open Thread #174

1 Julili

February 11, 2011 at 6:51 AM

Where is the spazz from Changmin giving u gals a shoutout?
I was jumping like a fool once he named dramabeans!

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WHAT?! I want JSW to give us a shout-out too!
*holds up HUGE we ♥ Joo Sang-Wook banner*

February 11, 2011 at 6:58 AM

Yes, please. When, where, why, and how did that go down?

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aility

February 11, 2011 at 7:15 AM

I think it is this video where Changmin sends his greetings for the support that Paradise Ranch has been receiving. That is nice of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbJG-xwYzWc

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Kender

February 11, 2011 at 7:24 AM

ROFL. Oh Changmin, how adorable. But why is he thanking DB? PR hasn't even been mentioned that often..

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danna

February 11, 2011 at 10:48 AM

JB did recap the first episode giving her impressions

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Kender

February 11, 2011 at 12:32 PM

@danna - Yeah, but that's hardly enough to warrant a mention. :/

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lessaofpern

February 11, 2011 at 3:53 PM

He wants her to recap the rest of the episodes. He can't give a bigger hint than that :P

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pohonphee

February 11, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Right, he mentioned Dramabeans so JB&GF will give Paradise Ranch recap (he apparently knows or made known the power of Dramabeans). Holy crap that means Changmin himself asked JB&GF for recap >:)

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jess

February 11, 2011 at 7:29 AM

I love PARADISE RANCH
dramabeans T__________T

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jomo143

February 11, 2011 at 7:47 AM

I am actually warming up to the Changmin, finally.
He is showing some warmth towards Da-ji, so that makes me happy. He seems to be pouting less and smiling more.

Joo Sang-Wook, meanwhile, is so beautiful, I am still rooting for him. The writers need to convince me Da-ji would NOT pick him over Dong-ju. He really is a sweet heart to her.

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Lahlita

February 11, 2011 at 7:46 AM

Holy crap! OK, so that just answered the question I asked in post # 8.1. They know about the goddesses! I need to start leaving love notes for my favorite actors and actresses!

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Hairlove

February 11, 2011 at 9:16 AM

To jomo
Isnt JSWooks characters in PF married or was the trailer messin with me

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jomo143

February 11, 2011 at 9:20 AM

@ Hairlove
He is divorced at the time of the Show.

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Viola

February 11, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Lahlita...if Changmin reads DB...how far of a leap to think that, um, you know *mumbles* Siwon reads it? *epically embarassed*

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Viola

February 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM

0_0 that couldn't have been him...no.. *facepalm* But if if was, Choi Siwon-ssi, If you ever read this, I am sorry. Very very sorry.

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Aw, don't worry about that Vionnie. Much as it breaks my heart to admit it, I don't think Choi Siwon-ssi even knows we exist. But if you're looking to have a one-sided romance with a Korean star, I'd bet anything that Taecyeon does know that we exist, if only because people were tweeting Javabean's acting critique to him nonstop. He probably read it and got all pissed. ;) But if he starts being all "in the moment" when he acts, we'll know it's because of JB.

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x0mi07

February 11, 2011 at 1:49 PM

don't think he reads db though...=( he thanked akp affies by default...>,< am thankful for the mention but won't read much deeper into it.

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rowensage

February 11, 2011 at 4:38 PM

My guess is some producer or PR staff worker somewhere read about this site and passed on the information. ^_^

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Viola

February 11, 2011 at 4:56 PM

That person seriously deserves a bonus! It's an absolutely brilliant PR move! :)

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3 minho

February 11, 2011 at 6:54 AM

its goin to be another damp weekend,cant wait to catch up on all my fav dramas. happy friday dear ones:-)

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4 Informantxgirl

February 11, 2011 at 7:06 AM

Glorious Friday (well, except for the pile-up of work, but no matter).

Very important Kdrama matter to throw into the void today: if you had to, would you want a Kdrama character to carry you piggyback or carry you in his/her arms?

I've never piggybacked anyone (except my dad when I was like 5 and that doesn't count, lol), but [LONG STORY ALERT] in college, this nutty weightlifting guy I knew, not very well or anything, suddenly came over and scooped me up in his arms. He was kinda cute, I have to admit, and I'm no lightweight, so the fact he even got me airborne was pretty impressive, but you know how I reacted? I sunk my teeth into his arm and he let out a yowl before depositing me back into my seat. Yeah, I bit him. Some weird defense mechanism I never knew I had.

So, definitely piggyback for me. Or better yet, since most Kdrama heroes (and other assorted desirable characters) are chaebol, they can just call me a limo. I'd like to be 'carried' home in a limo, lol. I admit - I'm that shallow.

So, what would it be for you? Piggyback or princess style? Oh and who would you let carry you? Me - a toss-up between good old Guh-Ro and Gu. Yong. Ha. (His name must be spelled thus).

Have a fab Friday and weekend!

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autumnscribbles

February 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM

well, i suppose he can piggyback me to the limo/horse-carriage....so both! :D yeh, i am greedy.

anyway, i would probably go for Oh Ji-ho as my piggyback-er. i don't even like him that much, but man, have you seen his body? those broad shoulders, those arms....yeh.

or Jae-shin...because that man is irresistible. Yong-ha can be the driver or the coachman. :D

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I've experienced it also! When I was a kid, haha. and with my dad. :)

I wanna get a piggyback from Jinho of PT. Since he's very tall and I am very small lol. and I wanna feel his warm back, his long arms....

and his cuteness. lol

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random

February 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM

I experienced it also! Yeah with my dad.

morning after piggyback by gong yoo, coffee prince style... hehe... *wink*

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pohonphee

February 11, 2011 at 7:33 PM

I don't like being piggybacking (my sister used to do this to me, oh love you my sis!) or princess style.

But anyone like the way Hyun bin piggybacks Song Hye Gyo while he's cleaning the room in The World We Lived In. Like being piggybacked is not enough... lucky SHG

February 12, 2011 at 9:56 AM

edit...drama character gu jun pyo

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arielifeoma

February 13, 2011 at 5:16 AM

I prefer princess style because 1) the type of clothing that I wear: normally skirt/dress/saree/kimono as my bum makes many pants either uncomfortable or unattractive, 2) you can look in their face and feel their heartbeat or hide your face in their neck, 3) i'm prissy. As much as I love princess style though, I'd never let someone other than my significant partner do so just because I feel that they are too intimate.

However, my hubby rarely gives me princess style rides if I complain that my feet are tired or I don't want to get my shoes dirty. Instead, if there is no cart or something to push me in, he offers piggyback rides. We actually have several family pictures of him carrying me thus on family outings. I confess that I used to dislike this until I began to watch kdramas. Previously, I always felt like he was treating me like a little kid when he gave me piggyback rides. If I complained about that, he'd offer the shoulders to make me feel even more juvenile or remind me that I shouldn't prefer stilettos so much or mention that his back hurts too badly for princess style since I've gained 20 lbs.

February 11, 2011 at 7:22 AM

And a happy friday to you all!

May Joy and luck bless everyone.

May changmin half or all naked on MAX TIME happen again.

May work suck less this week.

May Kim Jae Won's new drama be fantastic.

May I not get too drunk on soju tomorrow and start drunk calling everyone I know.

And finally may everyone else's wishes comes true today and forever.

:)

February 11, 2011 at 11:22 AM

You got drunk texts? lol

February 11, 2011 at 7:24 AM

Happy Friday to all!!!!

I really like the way "Dream High" is turning out to be, I also think that from all the "Idols" the one that will benefit in the long run is "Eun Jung", she is doing such a great job at playing the "Female Canine" girl, I think from "Coffee House", to "Dream High" she is the one that her acting has improve the most, I just hope the soon she will be the main lead, since she is proving that she has what it takes to carry a project on her own!!!

"My Princess", is all "Good", Seol, still my favorite heroine of 2011 so far, Seol FTW!!!!

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danna

February 11, 2011 at 9:17 AM

agreed abt Eun Jung!

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8 Lahlita

February 11, 2011 at 7:29 AM

Thank the Lord it's Friday! Whoooo! *wipes brow* Man, I don't know about you all, but I am reddeh for some o' that sweet, sexeh weekend, yu-huh!

Well, I'm glad that's off my chest. So, I had a meta question about this site as it pertains to Hallyu. How aware of this site are the Korean entertainment powers-that-be? As we know, Korea is completely obsessed with spreading and maintaining Hallyu. Spreading culture is nothing I've ever really thought about because I live in the United States, and the US is -- by far -- the most dominant exporter of culture worldwide. The world pretty much marches to the cultural beat of the US (I'm not saying that this is a good thing, I'm just saying it is what it is and, yes, I understand that China and the Middle East are not really feeling the US right now).

ANYWAY, Enswers just bought Silicon Valley-based Soompi because they would like to get a larger imprint in the US, and thereby expand the reach of Hallyu throughout the global English-language community. That's cool, I guess. But then it got me thinking about this site. We don't do much with k-pop here, but this the English-language site for k-drama. Seriously, google "Korean Drama" and this is the third listing. There are over a billion English-speakers worldwide. No matter what language is spoken in any other country, one can always find a significant percentage of people speaking and doing business in English. Young people the world over are learning English (along with Chinese) and they're the consumers of tomorrow. Javabeans and Girlfriday have tens and tens of thousands of readers. Their recaps are linked by Soompi and other Hallyu sites. They get invited to conventions. They're based in the US, specifically on the West Coast, which has got to be attractive as frak. Javabeans gave a critique of Taecyeon's acting with the disclaimer that he'll probably never read it...but I'm willing to bet that he has. He lived in the US for seven years during his teens, and he's completely fluent in English; he's an asset and I'll bet he takes the English-language pulse from time to time. Since the US is the next focal point for maintaining Hallyu, the Korean cultural top-dogs have to know about Dramabeans and its loyal minions.

I was just wondering about it, because sometimes we veer off of drama into acting critiques and cultural deconstruction, which is awesome, but I sometimes wonder if there are more people reading than just the English-language consumers. It kind of makes me want to be nicer on this site. Kind of, but not really. It also makes me want to give them a piece of my mind (presumptuous of me, I know). I don't think for a second that anything I say would affect the Korean entertainment industry or culture, but I do wonder how far the reach is for this site. Were Korean drama-watchers aware of the brouhaha that occurred here due to the forced bed hug in Secret Garden? I doubt it but I wonder. When people think about a drama's resale potential, do they take into account some of the mainstays that an international audience might find awkward and/or offensive? I doubt it. But I wonder.

So, if they ever read this: Siwon, I know you can understand this. Marry me! Kthxbai.

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Lahlita

February 11, 2011 at 7:42 AM

Shit, that was long. Sorry, y'all!

In other news, my didi (unni for you Hallyu types) is spending a year in Korea finishing up her PhD. She has been there for almost eight months and she does a bang-up impression of an ahjumma! It makes me laugh until I'm blue in the face. Anyway, we would usually communicate in English or elementary Hindi, but now we've been adding Fail!Korean to the mix. When we Skype, the greetings have gone from "Hi Didi, tum kaisi ho?" to "Unni! Annyeong!" complete with spastic waving. I feel so multi-cultural. *pats self on the back*

February 11, 2011 at 8:12 AM

Hey, Aili, "didi" means "older sister" in Hindi, but like many Asian languages, it doesn't have to be a blood relation, just someone you're very close to. :-)

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aility

February 11, 2011 at 8:14 AM

Oooohhh... I see!! learned new word today then, thanks!

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jomo143

February 11, 2011 at 8:00 AM

I wonder if any Korean-types have the time to check out the english language sites.

From the impression I get from JB/GF when they report what the Korean media is saying, our voices are a far away echo of a drip compared to their thunder.

It would be cool if they were listening.

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jomo143

February 11, 2011 at 8:51 AM

"Since the US is the next focal point for maintaining Hallyu, the Korean cultural top-dogs have to know about Dramabeans and its loyal minions."

I read a business news story about Hallyu's growth potential vs ROIC for pushing into the US market.
At that point in time, China was the area they picked to focus on over the English speaking US.

The US is extremely closed to non-english speaking entertainment. On top of that, we have so much of our own garbage atracking large crowds and cash: Jersey Shore, Kardashians, Justin Beiber, it is tough for anyone else to be noticed.

I have tried to ~~force~~ pass on my K-pop, K-drama love to friends and family in vain. While we see these things through lenses all fuzzy and warm, others can't see past the strange, foreign.

My neighbor, who faught in Korea, has a 60 year old version of that country in his head. When I told him Seoul nowadays was as bright and exciting as NYC or Tokyo, he bristled.

How many American Asian stars do we have on screen, radio today? How many Asian male models do you see in print ads versus NOT? I live in hope that somebody - US or imported - in some media catches fire and makes it. Rain? Hyun Bin? Other Asian in Glee?

Until then, I'll watch and listen to what I love and thank Dramabeans, MySoju, Dramafever for delivering my crack.

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Shin mi rAe

February 11, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Yey kim sam soon!!!

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Lahlita

February 11, 2011 at 10:29 AM

#1: I've missed you too, Unni! I'm sorry I'm so sporadic about all this. You know how it is when life gets in the way, and then a few weeks go by and you've neglected your k-dramas. Although I have been watching Dream High from the get go 'cause it's super cute!

#2: Which two stars? Oh, Rain and someone else, yeh?

#3: We're not fighting over Siwon. I just like to aggravate Vionnie whenever possible by saying I'm going to pour some special sauce all over her delicious piece of man-meat.

#4: How's Yeppeo-goon? Is he 6'2" yet? Inquiring aunties want to know so I can update his marriage mart ad. :-D

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Viola

February 11, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Lahlita, you know I love you right? :) Omo about yeppeo-goon! He sounds like TOP and looks like Taemin.. I pity the girls of Tennessee. You better keep your tire iron handy Lahlita, I think your niece might have some competition! He has his own fan club!

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Lahlita

February 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM

What? TOP what? Yeppeo-goon sounds like TOP, Vionnie? How do you know this??? Isn't 14 a little too young to be sounding, you know, like TOP? I mean, TOP has a really sexy voice. That's creepy. Anyway, my niece might have some competition, but I have a tire-iron. I will go all ghetto in the general direction of any girl who tries to lock that boy down.

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Viola

February 11, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Lahlita, I was very surprised too. I was like, "wait, unnie didn't you say he was 14?!"

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brookeeve

February 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Viola and I started calling each other this week. :) Your nephew was talking in the background and Viola thought I was playing something from YouTube, so I let them talk to each other.

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brookeeve

February 11, 2011 at 10:49 AM

#2: Please refer to my favorite trailer for this movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n-Ps19p_OM

#3: Y'all are goobers!

#4: check out your e-mail for my baby doing Taemin impersonations... it totally freaks Diadda out so I can't post it here. He's stuck at 6'... and I'm okay with that.

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jomo143

February 11, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Oh My God -I had to choke back laughing here at work.

"Fights over, you win. Just kidding there were water Ninjas in the river."

Does he sound like T.O.P? He sounds like his daddy. T.O.P has more of a chocolate vibe to his voice... and my baby is more metallic...

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Viola

February 11, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Well that was the closest comparison I had. :) p.s. I am proud to be a goober!! :)

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james94131

February 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Just wanted to play off of some of your thoughts. In terms of kpop, JYP made a big gamble to try and break into the US market with the WonderGirls last year by partnering with Disney. Big flop from what I could tell with the unintended consequence that WG lost popularity in Korea. Maybe the boy groups can penetrate the market, but probably not very deeply. Major problem is the language accent; have no idea why American english is so difficult for Koreans to pronounce. WG and other kpop groups are far more successful in penetrating the Asian markets, especially China, and I think JYP learned his lesson and will market girl groups primarily in Asia and make good money there.
As to kdramas, they are fun but there will be major cultural problems if kdramas try to hit maintstream US. You pointed out the SG bed problem. Well, what about the wrist grab and drag or the slapping: these are criminal offenses in all 50 states. A lot of women's groups would have a field day protesting the treatment of women in kdramas. Or the infamous mother-in-laws or the idolization of class or material goods or the excessive drinking. All are prime protest subjects. Maybe we can laugh about it, but in the US there are a heck of a lot of PC police running around just itching to start a confrontation.

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outofcontrol

February 11, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Well, exposure to these dramas may be a good way to broaden perspectives, to introduce the concept that there are other cultures out there outside the US just in the planet called Earth. The audience should not forget the cultural context when watching.

I've been learning about Korean culture because of the shows.

Oh, so we can make proposals here???

Hey korean dramas powers that be, can we get some real kissin from park hae young and lee seol in my princess? If you want to know what real kissing should be, watch hyun bin and kim sun ah in episode 6 of kim sam soon...

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jomo143

February 11, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Ahh the gold standard of Kdrama kisses...

Prolly watched that one 700 times.

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9 Kender

February 11, 2011 at 7:29 AM

Happy Friday, kids!

Mom came down with some sort of bug last weekend, and the rest of us managed to avoid catching it too until the other day, when both Dad and I came down with it simultaneously. He's been staying home for the past two days, bugging the hell out of me with his whineyness. I'm sick too, leave me alooooooooone.

On the plus side..wait, there is no plus side. Hrm.

At least 10cm's album came out yesterday, so I have something new to jam too. :D

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MJP

February 11, 2011 at 9:29 AM

I hope everyone gets well real soon!

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Katey B

February 11, 2011 at 8:28 AM

I watch LB.

I don't think Ah Yi is a jerk though. To me he's like a Taiwanese Hyun Bin character.

I'd take Ah Yi over Da Ye any day.

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YY

February 11, 2011 at 9:32 PM

But Katey, Ah Yi's treating her so bad.....I hurt for her.....

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Katey B

February 12, 2011 at 4:11 PM

But YY, Ah Yi's soo cute and he'll get there by being nice to his number 1 girl, Xiao Feng. I know he will:)

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autumnscribbles

February 11, 2011 at 8:56 AM

ahhh, is that scene from ep 8?? gah i haven't finish yet *covers eyes*

anyways, i agree with you on what you said about tw-dramas, they just have this tendency to annoy the heck out of me, or maybe im just terrible at picking the good ones. the last t-drama i thoroughly enjoyed was Meteor Garden (which was...a decade ago). so yeh, even though i was excited about LB (since it's based on Parfait Tic! -one of my many obsessions back in the early high school years), i wasn't expecting much from it.

then after the first episode, i was surprised at how good it was and how i actually did not loathe the main actors. I was also amazed at how perfectly the drama captured every little detail of the original manga, from the tone, to the characters, and right down to their clothes and hairstyles.

It was my first time seeing Calvin in a drama, but i thought he was fantastic as Dai-ya. Aaron wasn't too shabby either and the main actress was surprisingly endearing, though her voice could be a lil grating.

I never finish the manga so i have no idea Xiao Feng ended with, but from watching the drama, i am rooting for Ah-yi, he just have more chemistry with her imo. but i am feeling that the show is pushing twds the other pairing, ever since that stupid ex-gf showed up. omg how i hate her, it's like she expects everything to revolve around her and she seems to have no friends except for Ah-yi. i mean, hello woman, he has a life too! why must you pester him so? just grow a pair! but stupid Ah-yi stupidly falls for her crap anyway and ends up hurting Xiao Feng and now i am forced to switch ship because of his jerk-ery. yes, i am majorly annoyed.

yeh, other than that, everything continues to be good and adorable.

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porninja

February 11, 2011 at 10:02 AM

I couldn't even finish the first episode of Love Buffet though. Is it really worth it to continue on?

And yes, I watched Fated to Love You! Really enjoyed it! But isn't it like the highest rated drama in TW like ever, though? That show made me watch My Queen for Ethan Ruan (THOSE LIPS), though I couldn't finish it. I have such a short attention span when it comes to TW dramas.

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flowerpower

February 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM

You should watch the drama called Prince turns into frog, the female lead from Fated to love you plays the female lead in this drama and to me these two dramas are my favorite Taiwanese dramas. Both these dramas broke tv records, and I highly recomend them.

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brookeeve

February 11, 2011 at 12:59 PM

... but if you keep watching, there's a couple of happy Van Ness Wu shirtless scenes...

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Kaitlyn

February 11, 2011 at 1:44 PM

brookeeve!!! i so DID NOT just watch for Van Ness Wu shirtless :P

i was just trying to finish the show.

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brookeeve

February 11, 2011 at 2:30 PM

sure honey. i believe you.

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clichique

February 11, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Okay, YY, I had an HONEST attempt to try watching Love Buffet. I knew it was based off of Parfait Tic, which was one of my favorite mangas until they screwed up my hopes of seeing Fuuko ending up with Ichi, because I really liked Ichi in the manga UNTIL the ex debacle. And from then on it went pretty much downhill..

But, I just couldn't get into it.

I think it's because I read the manga beforehand. In the manga, Fuuko is so naturally cute and has a nice natural charisma that makes me like her! But in the first episode, I just wasn't... into her. She fell flat. I'm glad there was no overacting, but the thing is, she was just boring-ish. I didn't see the natural charisma/cuteness come out of her!!

IDK, stilted expectations, I think. MAYBE I will try again. But in the meantime I think I'm going to rewatch Prosecutor Princess (idk why, but sort of wanted to rewatch that LOL)...

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dramaaddict

February 11, 2011 at 5:17 PM

I think its because the acting is so bad. I have trouble watching it myself, and i find it hard to get any real emotions out of any of the actors.

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mud

February 11, 2011 at 7:09 PM

I skimmed everyone's posts about LB because I don't want to be spoiled and I plan to watch it someday...just not now what with school work and my abhorrent fear of TWdramas ever since the trauma I got from Hana Kimi.... it's a permanent stain on my young heart.

On the other hand, I don't think I can be spoiled much since I have "read" the complete manga twice (unless the drama messes up big time). But I just had to make a comment because you're all talking about Parfait Tic, the love of my high school life (up to volume 8...*grumbles*). But back in the heydays when scanlations were slow, I had to beg my aunt to send all the new Chinese volumes to me asap so that I could continue the story...and my Chinese is elementary at best, so I did what any fangirl would do.... I bugged my parents to practically read the entire girly romcom story to me so that I could gush about the love triangle dilemma unabashedly at their side. So at least I sorta-kinda-not-really improved my Chinese, while still finished the story.

P.S. TEAM DAIYA FTW!!!!!!!

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Agatha

February 11, 2011 at 8:22 PM

How bad was Hana Kimi??? I mean seriously way to ruin a good thing. Worst Ending EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I was so into it too....

February 11, 2011 at 10:09 PM

Wu Zun is a total hottie. He's in some Taiwanese boy band, too. I have the strangest urge to paint his toenails. (Don't ask. Just... don't ask.)

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YY

February 11, 2011 at 10:17 PM

he's from Farenheit....he can speak English cos he's an Australian business grad....rather girl looking. Can't stand his duhh voice....you know, like Keanu Reeves and Deputy Dog. I prefer my men tougher like SSH he he

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Agatha

February 12, 2011 at 7:33 AM

I have to say I think both guys saved the drama from being a complete disaster (it was really close tho). Wu Zun and Jiro Wang were just so funny (specially Jiro, I mean how funny is it when he accepts he is "gay"?) it nearly made up for Ella's weird acting. Plus the cute from both was the thing that kept me watching till the end. But when I saw the end I nearly broke my computer and shouted myself hoarse, I mean COME ON!!!! 15 episodes and you leave me hanging.....F.U I say... I wasted nearly 20 hours of my life...

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YY

February 11, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Yeah I'm Team Da Ye too!!!!!! And my all-time fav is Frog Prince. Loved it. In fact I rewatched it many times and found the plot, the script and the ost really good. Knew every song in that ost....

@clichique I've never read the manga so I think I went into this show without any expectations. And it just delights me cos I was expecting the usual annoying crap.

I find Ah Yi's actions of late weird....he was the one who started chasing Xiao Feng, and now all of a sudden cos of the ex-bitch gf's appearance, he turns cold towards her? Very odd....must be a flaw in the plot.....cos who behaves that way in real life? Aaron has always been such a kind decent boy, and for him to suddenly show this jerk side is really odd. Doesn't add up.

I'm so happy there are so many LB lovers here....been dying to discuss the show. I bet she ends up with Calvin. But it's kind of awkward to switch from one brother to another: if you marry one, the other will be your bro-in-law.....AWKWARD!!!!!! But I really like the script and Xiao Feng's sweet voiceovers: "Is love like that?" she muses at one part. "If it doesn't work with A, you switch to B, and from B to C...." That got me thinking....in the fickleness of love relationships, love IS exactly like Xiao Feng says, if your Great Romance doesn't work out, practicality demands we switch to another less attractive alternative, and if that doesn't work out, why, look around for another ..... sad but so true. Dreams die but life goes on. To hold on to and wait for that One Great Love is foolish and would only hurt more. Move on to another New Love.....you may never love this new love as much as you did your first love but in time, love will grow.

Unfortunately for poor Xiao Feng, she seems destined for another broken heart. I wonder who it is she truly loves? Did she turn to Ah Yi on the rebound? And if Ah Yi doesn't love her, and she goes back to Da Ye, then who is it she truly loves this time around? Or is her heart still with Da Ye all this time? She just forced herself to think of him as a good friend?

I'm so eagerly waiting for tomorrow's ep.....Aaron's going off somewhere and I think the plot is pushing her towards Calvin. Calvin loves her I feel, he rejected her the first time cos he thought Aaron loves her. Go Calvin!

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legalisfun

February 12, 2011 at 12:45 PM

i was wavering on watching Love Buffet, might start soon...
( like you get annoyed at the female leads in Tdramas too)

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11 Katey B

February 11, 2011 at 7:33 AM

Hi everyone.

Recently I watched 'Our Slightly Risque Relationship' starring Lee Sun Gyun.

If you're a fan of the man/like romance I recommend it.

February 11, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Me too. It was cute, but I think they could have made the ending better.

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12 jomo143

February 11, 2011 at 7:37 AM

Hello and happy Friday to all!

eBay listings: My Princess stuff including Lee Seul headbands!

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=%22my+princess%22+korean&_sacat=0&_odkw=%22my+princess%22+korea&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

Probably going to purchase the leaf bead one – not gonna lie – am doing this to get the Hand Towel’s attention.
I'm hoping the shinyness of the beads attracts his brain waves to mine. That is so going to happen.

Here are my latest Hand Towel verses

I know that I can’t own a person per se.
It’s illegal or “wrong” in most lands.
But considering the Hand Towel’s not really real,
I’m ready to challenge these bans.

I’ll buy him white shirts and cool three piece suits.
If he wants, I will tear off some sleeves.
As long as he stays by my side nights and days
So I can watch him paint beaches and trees.

If a “sister” show up, I’ll use violence against her.
If a princess appears, she’ll be history.
If a heart patient bothers him off in the woods,
when she’s gone, I'll pretend it’s a mystery.

February 11, 2011 at 1:14 PM

I love that grey sweater dress but it so wouldn't look good on most body types. KTH can pull it off but not the average woman!

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QD

February 12, 2011 at 2:23 AM

Thanks Jomo for sharing!!!

You are so cool!!!!

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jomo143

February 12, 2011 at 7:19 AM

Jumping on my own message to ask:

Where's izzie?

Anyone know if she told us already?

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February 11, 2011 at 7:45 AM

In some cultures, Valentine's Day is also Friendship Day, so Happy (almost) Valentine's Day, yorubun!

I know I'm not alone in wanting to send JB and GF lots of extra lerve and appreciation for being such talented, witty, and dedicated superheroines who make our world a better place every single day. (How'd we get so lucky?)

And another shout out for the song-of-the-day feature-- DB is just phenomenally awesome. I do have an eensy-weensy request regarding said feature, however: could you try to make sure that an English translation of the song title is included (purty please)? A couple of the titles of songs I DL-ed from GF's recent posts were only written in Hangul. Merci beaucoup! U R D bestest!

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Viola

February 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Happy friendship day to you too!

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14 lb_tmi

February 11, 2011 at 7:51 AM

awww.. how cute that Changmin gave a shoutout to DB!!

36 weeks yesterday.. DR says everything is good, so i can have Baby E any day now w/o worry. hoping that Baby E will make an appearance today!! off to go jogging to start those contractions. LOL!

February 11, 2011 at 8:31 AM

i agree, i don't think Hyemi should get either Gookie or SD. (SD is way too good for her, and Taec is my baby daddy, so he should stay only w/ me. LOL) and i totally am rooting for SD to be the true K, and not part of the group K. so they better not make him deaf!!!

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danna

February 11, 2011 at 10:57 AM

naaaah i dont think thye'll kill him...but i'd be pissed too if he goes deaf and they just decide if he's better of as a music producer or something...u cant bring the guy and make him go through all that and not let him become successful!...and he has to be K or else who else could be K?....i dont care if Hyemi ends up with JG too in fact i dont want her with SD...also this will be the second drama this year when a second lead gets the girl after QoR...idk why this is so funny to me

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Maddy

February 11, 2011 at 9:19 AM

"I have my theories that he is not really going deaf, it is just an after-effect from when he got hit on the head by that flower pot. "

That's what I'm thinking also....

I'm not sure if I'm on board with any pair too.... I mean they're still in HIGH SCHOOL! I feel it's a little too early to decide who your one true love without living outside of the comfort zone... may just be me though.

I think K will either be SD or PS... call me crazy but she's the quiet force awaiting to be fling into stardom; such an understated strength and resilience. I'm also hanging onto what Hyun Joong 2.0 said at the beginning of the drama.

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lb_tmi

February 11, 2011 at 9:40 AM

I have watched some of Arashi's variety shows. I would say my favorite one is VS Arashi.

http://www.dramacrazy.net/japanese-variety/vs-arashi/

February 11, 2011 at 8:30 AM

Ummm can I write about any topic (kdrama related of course) in here? If so I have a question. I have just finished watching Delightful Girl Choon-Hyang (thanks to DB for that one episode recap that made me curious enough to watch it) and I want to know, what the heck happened to Choon-Hyangs mom? Did the writers just decide to get rid of the character or was there a problem with the actress of what???

February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Annoyingly, there's no explanation that I can find, and while I adore the Hong sisters' writing, sometimes these 'little' things remind me that they are not perfect (and it was their first drama, so we see less loose ends than ever now in their newer material), as well as the unidentifiable quantities that may have made "MOM" disappear. Was the actress committed elsewhere? Did the director have a change of direction? et cetera

But I'm willing to listen to facts or plausible theories, if anyone has them .... :)

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ar

February 11, 2011 at 3:12 PM

maybe Chunhyang decided enough was enough with the bad parenting and dropped her like its hot.

that's just my wish. I can think of so many worse kdrama parents how need to disappear without explanation.

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Shin mi rAe

February 11, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Hehehe... Same questions i had when i watched dgch. I couldnt believe the mother just left her daughter. I was always hoping she would come back but i think the hong sistera forgot about the mom.

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February 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM

nice handle!1 :P

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Peacestar

February 11, 2011 at 11:01 AM

That news made my week! Finally he's gone! especially ater his depressing speech yesterday,

i don't think anyone knows for sure what will happen next, the military is well respected there (some of the top generals are friends with him though), they said they will allow for free and fair elections, so I guess we just have to see, at least the regime has gone, really happy for the egyptians, they've been really brave and steadfast, victory to Egyptian Revolution!

Peace

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lessaofpern

February 11, 2011 at 12:18 PM

I agree with Brooke too. I'm praying for the people of Egypt.

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Emma

February 11, 2011 at 12:34 PM

I hope that will not create another deadly Tiananmen Square incident.

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x0mi07

February 11, 2011 at 2:31 PM

The Egyptian military is a well-respected figure in eyes of the Egyptian people. The fact that they haven't done anything to hurt the people during this 18 day protest and the fact that they have done their very best to keep the peace (by fending off pro-Mubarak rioters) makes them reliable and dependable. The army generals were also the ones who convened on Thursday and they promised the people Mubarak would step down. The military pressure forced him to step down on behalf of the people.

The military regime is something to look forward to. They have plenty of capable generals whose sole interest is only what's good for Egypt. They will do their jobs well. It won't be easy but we're pretty sure they're capable enough to handle our sad nation.>,,<

Thank you so much everyone for your prayers. I think it's kinda awesome that a couple of weeks ago, in OT #172, I was asking for prayers for the Egyptian people. now I'm here to convey my thanks and my hopeful feelings.=D My dad's been calling all his friends and relatives and the mood is festive over all.

I hope everyone else is having a great day!^^ God bless you all beaners!^^

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February 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM

wow.... THREE paragraphs have been cut from my post. now it doesn't make much sense...>,< oh well... -___-;;

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nom_kitteh

February 11, 2011 at 5:14 PM

First of all, congrats to any and all Egyptian readers here. Congrats, too, to all Tunisians. Most of all, to all my Arab brothers and sisters, you have made us all so proud.

You pulled off a miracle, you brought about one of the biggest downfalls since the passive resistance movement that eventually brought down British rule over India in 1947. Seriously, the magnitude of today will reverberate for generations -- or one hopes. I'm still nervous.

x0mi07, are you Egyptian? Thanks for your post; it's very informative, even with paragraphs missing. Are there other Egyptians here? I'm curious what you all think of General Tantawi. His salute to the martyrs made me burst out in tears (well, I've been crying on and off for two weeks now from the emotional rollercoaster ride). However, there is something about Tantawi that makes me very nervous. (Have you all read wikileaks docs on the regime, including the army? I hope you do, and I hope they are translated into Arabic and widely distributed.)

Egyptians, I hope you will enjoy the next couple of days, but please remain vigilant. I hope a civil government body is constituted within the next week to oversee the transition. If it takes any longer than that, you may have a soft coup on your hands -- which would be devastating.

Best case scenario: Immediate revoking of the emergency law and set up of a civil coalition interim gov. who will work with army to set up systems so that elections can take place in a year.

I understand why the military has to take over. Mubarak's regime wiped out -- as in killed -- all viable opposition leaders, esp. over the past 10 years. There is a civil society "vacuum," but the leaders of the opposition, the young men and women of the revolution, have shown that they are perfectly capable of leading.

So if the army comes out and says that emergency rule needs to remain for the time being, I'll be very scared. No military is ever pro-democracy, especially one that gets 1.5 billion/year in unconditional--yup, unconditional--aid from a foreign government. But I can see why this is the best option for now.

For now, for now, for now, I am so happy. I am still in shock and awe, of the good kind. I watched the announcement live on Al Jazeera, and I loved how the reporter, after the 50 sec announcement from Suleiman, said, "Well, that's it then. He's gone." And it took me a full minutes to make sense of it all. It was also fun to watch Twitter explode. And my phone went crazy with calls from friends of all faiths, colors, backgrounds. It was amazing. Egypt, thank you.
Thank you, martyrs of the Jan 25 Revolution: http://1000memories.com/egypt

More apropos of Dramabeans, though: I can now finally relax enough to watch My Princess 10, 11, 12. SSH, I'm still here. You never left my heart, you unbelievably handsome you! :-)

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ahhh... anyway, to update everyone: the military's doing well so far. Some of the people are still in Tahrir Square since they're waiting for they key demands to be met. Other countries can stop fretting about the fate of Israel (US was really worried about that) since the military promised to maintain the peace. Of course, no one really wants to go to war... that's uber expensive. The Egyptian parliament (rigged and filled with 99% Mubarak people) has been dissolved (yey!^^) The military council members are holding regular meetings with multiple representatives of various mubarak oppositions to discuss changes. And oh yeah... What else?... ermmm... I think the validity of the constitution (altered in Mubarak's favor) has been suspended. The military plans to stay only for six months and their goal is to set up favorable conditions for a proper democratic government "legitimized by the people" <-- their words not mine.=D

In case there are people worried about the muslim brotherhood taking a huge role (personally, I don't mind since Egypt is predominantly a muslim country anyway; it's an open one though), they won't. The Egyptian revolution happened thanks mostly to the youth and their smart use of social networking. The Jan 25 revolution started on facebook and twitter and then spread by word of mouth after the internet was shut down. The old people who joined did it for their kids. Witnessing what the youth can do once they set their minds to it.... pretty inspiring right?XD

rock on beaners!XD

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meenuby

February 11, 2011 at 6:46 PM

So glad that Mubarak's finally gone! Now I'm praying for righteous leadership for the Egyptian people. You are truly an inspiration.

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February 12, 2011 at 6:50 AM

I heard about this on the news as well. My native country is one plagued with a sad history of military dictatorships, oligarchy, fraud, poverty, and other sad things, but now it is on the track of democracy, and hopefully it will improve. I am not from Egypt, but I hope that the people of Egypt live in peace. I hope that their government can be stabilized, and that the people can participate in it and that Egypt can be a thriving nation of freedom, equality, and peace.

Happy Friday everyone~!!!

And HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY CHANANA~!!!!! YESSSSS you are finally legal :) noonar is totally ready for ya :D

Sigh - love Dream High. i am 93% sure it's gonna go the way of JG/HM but I'm hoping that if she is with anyone, it's SD cuz they are just so cute together.

Speaking of cute... the definition of that word belongs to Jason and Pilsook. I seriously died when she found the graded test taped to her locker and he ever-so-casually walks by whistling w/o a care in the world, grabbin his daily lollipop <3 i seriously have been scouring YT for all jason/pilsook fanvids cuz i just love watching their scenes compiled together. they really do make me squeee~!!!!

February 11, 2011 at 10:23 AM

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jomo143

February 11, 2011 at 1:25 PM

I wonder how offensive a male version of this thread would be?

Are we really more innocent in our love of these beautuful men? I think we are, but I'm rather biased.

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brookeeve

February 11, 2011 at 9:53 PM

My husband said if I collected all three for him then he would get me T.O.P http://www.g4tv.com/videos/51162/Starcraft-2-WoW-Diablo-Cosplay-Video/ and I am completely not offended by this deal.

It depends on how you view what we do. Are we seriously going to marry our idols? Aren't we just living out our fantasies with each other? I view this like when I was a little girl, sitting around with my friends and telling each other how we were going to grow up and marry Johnny Depp and live in the Bahamas and have a banana farm. It's like a great big game of pretend, only we aren't playing with our Barbies. And most of us our pretty monogamous with our beautiful men, and that kind of feels innocent to me.

My guys (I live in a house of dudes) do the same thing, only it tends to be more sexual and the women have a little bit more generic role to fulfill.

I think it's a rather healthy method of exercising the imagination, and I can't see how it would be that offensive at all if one were to really look at it. I think it would be harder to say we were innocent if we were say, rerouting spy satellites to take pictures of our I Lub You's houses, breaking into hotel registrations to find out where they were sleeping, picking the lock to their houses to steal their clothing and then wearing it out to the local bar... oh wait, someone really did that with Brad Pitt, didn't they? Anyway, that's not healthy.

February 11, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Nehi! Na! andwae! :P

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pohonphee

February 11, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Tidak! Ojo (ha, ha, ha)! :P

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February 11, 2011 at 10:03 PM

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February 11, 2011 at 9:14 AM

it is annoying...

February 12, 2011 at 6:54 AM

So I started one @ kristalshay.tumblr.com but haven't posted anything yet. Seems like a cool idea though. If anyone has one post your URL so I can follow you!

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pumpzz

February 11, 2011 at 12:52 PM

I want some too!

Jonnaa *rollingtheeyes* mamma-nim *risingeyebrows* naerii *headdesking*

Plus I can't really connect with a love confession from a man who already has 2 wives (they're only ones that I know, probably there are more) to a woman who he calls her "child" (that's what I know from subbing). Thus no matter how much I like Jee Jeen-he, every time he and Han Yoo-jo are on screen, I can't help but giggling (that MBC award for JJH is no joke). And how sad the queen and Bae Soo-bin's character?

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Carinne

February 12, 2011 at 3:32 PM

There are a bunch of us who have a group on FB. We watch a show together every Sunday night, and then we spend the week doing pretty much the same thing that we do on Open Thread. We share pictures of each other and since the group is private it doesn't get out past ourselves.

You can find the group by friending me or anyone else who's in it. My e-mail address is the same thing as my handle @gmail.com so it should be very easy to find either myself or Viola. I friend pretty much everyone who asks me because I am a teacher, but I won't put you in the group unless you tell me who you are or what your handle is on DB. We welcome anyone who has an interest in KDrama or just wants in on what we're squealing about during OT.

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Carinne

February 11, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Thanks for pointing this out, sweetie.

I'm... I'm not sure this time I'm more fortunate than any other. > ___ <" As you may read my update above, you may think she's pampering me back to health while we do this marathon, however, it is the other way around, as I have already stressed it so right above. Oy! I'm sick! Oh my Princess tantrum! Keke!! Nah, I really am enjoying these scarce moments.

Next time, I'll try to bribe her money instead of cooking, cleaning, and scratching her back. Ha-ka-kah! ^ __ ^ v

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samgetang

February 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM

jomo! you have a daughter? how old is she? is she as crazy as her mom? hahaha!

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24 poyi

February 11, 2011 at 9:44 AM

i figure this is probably the best place to ask...

I dont mind k-pop, but my musical diet is usually more adventurous than even what korean media labels as "indie"

basically what does korea sound like?

pop and folk aside [which i already own] what are some bands from korea that are good?

any electronic? instrumental? jazz? psych rock? shoegaze?

thanks

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okitokki

February 11, 2011 at 10:30 AM

maybe try... house rulez (하우스 룰즈), winterplay (윈터플레이), maaaaybe (but possibly not) sentimental scenery (센티멘탈 시너리)... i also like zitten (짙은), freeTEMPO (which is actually Japanese, lol), and sometimes I like The Black Skirts (검정치마). Oh, I also like casker (캐스커) and peppertones (페퍼톤스), altho, that's probably not what you're looking for.

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lessaofpern

February 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM

I stumbled across this band called NELL. I really like their songs. Here is one called STAY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYubuio_hsI&feature=related

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February 11, 2011 at 2:05 PM

They even sing in ENGLISH note it is not ENGRISH! LOL:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SAmbfr22KY

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February 11, 2011 at 5:58 PM

@bee & lessa

thanks for the replies

i'm gonna check them all out

and i'll tell you what i think

:)

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February 11, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Hi poyi! Dramabeans links to another blog called IndiefulROK (it's a the bottom right corner) and it is the gateway to K-Indie for English speakers/listeners, so to speak. You should check it out.

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poyi

February 12, 2011 at 7:20 AM

ok so last night a was crazy k-music binge fueled by your leads
and aided by wiki, google, and youtube

i found something to like about each group, and winterplay stunned me...not even so much cause i love it. Its just so different from everything I ever heard out of korea.

hands down my favourite was CASKER ! I forgot they were on CoffeePrince OST cause i havent seen the sho in awhile. But re-discovering them led me to Tearliner & 캐스커.

I downloaded music from all three from itunes

THANKS and if you have more music from anywhere else feel free to share

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pohonphee

February 11, 2011 at 6:55 PM

I've heard several Korean indie bands, they don't go far from indie band that come from my country., imo. I can only give you the band or singer that have jazzy or R&B music because that my favorite :) , like: 10 cm (like Kender said), Winterplay, Humming Urban Stereo, Urban Zapaka, Epitone Project, Hot Potato, Napoleon Dynamite.

Oh and you should check these albums: Mint Paper Vol.3 - Life, and How to fall in love When Pastel Music Meets TVCF.

And I think classic ballad korean song is exceptional, love it. For it, I like: VOS, Monday Kiz, 4men.

I wonder if you should just check Korea Trot music for adventure :)

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February 12, 2011 at 7:47 AM

had not heard trot
so THANK YOU

this vid had me cracking up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_k_nRyC7ns

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Schmazel

February 11, 2011 at 11:25 PM

IMO, the best genre that K-music has is it's love ballads.

I recently got hooked to 4MEN and Davichi's duet, "Can I Love Again?" :)

Look it up on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm2ZwykFH7U

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February 12, 2011 at 7:31 AM

thanks

i might be a more into ballads and the glossy pop thats more common in korea if i knew the language

because the focus is the singing and the only thing really separating it from "western" pop is the words

i dont mind not understanding the lyrics...but that means something else has to pull me in

the vocal delivery or texture, the instrumental arrangement, or the rhythm

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February 12, 2011 at 8:14 AM

as an example of what i listen to:
http://youtu.be/8QFgN3rZriE

korean-american artist TOKiMONSTA
song SA MO JUNG

one of my favourite songs from last year

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25 Viola

February 11, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Don't feel too sad for Bae So Bin, sis! I am sure Lessaofpern is more than happy to comfort him! :P

February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

There there mommy. *hugs* This is why it's true love! You want him to be happy even if it is with another girl. :P

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February 11, 2011 at 2:29 PM

sniff....sniff...sob...sob... Yobo you must become the main lead....

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26 MJP

February 11, 2011 at 9:59 AM

Question(s) for the day:

Why do fans treat male celebrities like "food", "eye candy", "a piece of meat", etc?

Do you, as a fan, find any other characteristics you like in your favorite male celebrities besides physical appearance?

If so, what percentage would you say you expound of said characteristics versus expounding on the physical appearance when commenting?

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February 11, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Gong Yoo has a nice, serious personality based on what I knew about his work in radio when he was on military.

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February 11, 2011 at 3:19 PM

He also has a body that I'd like to turn into a jungle gym.

What was the question? Oh yeah. Objectification.

We're just Equal Opportunity Objectifiers up in this house. We have centuries of patriarchy to contend with. The way I see it, there's a whole lot of fangirling left to do, you know...for Equality's sake.

**cracks knuckles, gets to it**

February 11, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Okay... this is a question that probably needs answering, but it's going to take a while.

Men have been ogling female celebrities since... forever, I suppose. Since the black and whites came out? Since Betty Boop? Does anyone have a degree in History of Film?

"Why do fans treat male celebrities like “food”, “eye candy”, “a piece of meat”, etc?"

it is male objectification. and it doesn't happen to men only. women had long been complaining about being objectified. this is a role reversal.

also, there is correlation between food and sexual attraction. just like chocolate is consumed to compensate for the feeling of love. hence leading to comments like "delicious," and "yummy" when referring to attractive men.

"Do you, as a fan, find any other characteristics you like in your favorite male celebrities besides physical appearance?"

of course. talent and brains. sometimes these compensate for good looks. not-so-physically-attractive people become "hot" in the eyes of admirers when they talk good sense and have humor/wits.

"If so, what percentage would you say you expound of said characteristics versus expounding on the physical appearance when commenting?"

it depends on what's on the table. if guy is presented as solely man-meat, it appeals more to the hormones and causes objectification. if guy manifests great acting chops, I swoon and rave over the talent and the brilliance. sometimes I overlook poor acting due to good looks. when I don't like what I hear but love what I see, the mute button becomes a friend. sometimes guy looks better when he's good at his craft.

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samgetang

February 15, 2011 at 1:21 PM

thanks, bella luna, i learned a thing or two from you today!

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diadda

February 11, 2011 at 11:05 AM

This si an easy question for me. There are thousands upon thousands of idols and celebrities all over the world and all ove them are fairly good looking or better, but there has to be something that draws you to them besides the physical. to get you to want to get to know them better or at the very least support them in their artistic endeavors.

My main draw points for idols is voice! Changmin from 2am, Onew from Shinee, Sung Si Kyung(swoon)

My next drawing point is personality. The more of a nerdy smart ass the better, ie Changmin DBSK! MAX TIME!

My final draw point is character. All idols/actors come up with a on camera persona that they wish to share with the public. usually it has some of their own personal traits but often it is a hodge-podge developed by the company they work for and there own practiced faces in the mirror. If this character they present isn't too far off from the real thing or at least if they do a good job with making me think it isn't I tend to respond better to them. ie Se7en, Kim Rae Won

Daesung is my first and foremost choice among all kpop idols. He has all three things I am looking for and has never failed me once as a performer. And I have called him many things but never associated him with something I found in my grocery store. He is cute and lovable like all the rest I have mentioned. He wouldn't be an idol if he wasn't. But these guys attract me. And I realize that these are not always on the top of everyone else's lists either.

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leonardswench

February 11, 2011 at 11:56 AM

If you want a cerebral answer, I refer to my childhood girlfriend who now holds a PHD in sex therapy: she and I discussed this at a no-balls weekend (meaning, no men allowed). The cultural phenomenon of idol worship predates our modern age, but has seen an explosion given the current media tools at an idol's fingertips to carry their charisma to the masses.

Women fainted at the site of Xerxes, apparently, and Valentino, and Elvis Presley, and just keep it coming forward into 2011 ... idol worship is in the pleasure center of the brain, and is stimulated NOT by force, but is an instinctive reaction to chemistry, charisma, pheromones, and so much more. For some, it can be the voice, the eyes, the entire 'package'. The "IT" factor that major stars have, of either sex, can't be quantified to an exact science since we each, as individuals, respond with love to others without reason or logic: it's a reaction.

Love of an idol, then, is, in simplest terms, the reaction of an individual to that person's person, and when thousands, tens of thousand, and even millions have that same reaction to an idol, he/she becomes an idol.

Guess what else is in the pleasure center of the brain? Food. Both men and women use food terms to describe the opposite sex (and the same sex) in terms of love, worship, sexuality. Women have melons, creamy thighs, for instance, and are "eye candy", and men are "steak" and are "eye candy", as well.

Why do we "TREAT" them as food items? Some slavering part of the pleasure center in our brain must surely scream out, "I want to eat that", "I want to lick that", "I want to drink that", because the pleasures of idol worship and food are just a few synapses away.

Yes, I as a fan find other characteristics besides physical appearance that I like in my favorite male celebrities.

No relevant date has been kept in any scientific model that would stand up to rigorous study long enough for me to proffer you with an actual percentage of "said characteristics versus physical appearance".

Voice is huge as far as attractiveness...

Here's the thing about this question though. Obviously, people objectify celebrities. Hard not to, though--they're all attractive, and really, it's impossible for us to say we "know" any of them.

I can tell you elements that I love of the characters our boys play... but as far as them personally? Hard to focus on much beyond their looks, since that's pretty much all I know from them. :-/

Tough one--I hate being that shallow.

I will say, though, that I'm often attracted to celebrities (in Hollywood, too) that aren't really your conventional good looking, but they have a "quality." That quality is charisma! :D Some people just arrest your attention.

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jomo143

February 11, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Wow! Such well thought out replies...

We know it can't be just looks because many beautiful model types display little or no personality when they speak.

In my experience, intelligence attracts me the most. I remember having a big crush on Stephen Colbert when he first came on. My daughter reminded me I never missed his show.

Strangely enough, it doesn't have to be genuine intelligence, if in a role, the character is super smart.
But if an actor plays someone stupid, I cannot be attracted to him anymore. I fall out of lust fast.

I also agree that the low voices really get to me:
Johnny Depp, Clive Owen, Daniel Craig, Rufus Sewel, Rain, Hyun Bin, Go Soo, Gong Yu, SSH, so far...

My Hand Towel fixation? I don't think it is all looks. He is charming and funny, too, but his beauty plays a very large part in why I (currently) love him.

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YY

February 11, 2011 at 9:39 PM

I want to add two more voices to the list: Kim Hyun Joong's deep slightly nasally voce, and my oppa Grandpa's raspy husky growl.

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samgetang

February 15, 2011 at 1:28 PM

haha! saying YES to the voice. but MP's HY's grandpa? well, better heard than seen? sorry....hahahahaha!

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Lahlita

February 11, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Fascinating question, and I just had to add my two cents.

Why do fans treat male celebrities like “food”, “eye candy”, “a piece of meat”, etc?

I'm just going to say a big WORD to leonardswench's entire post # 26.6. I can't say it any better than that. It's the same food/pleasure response that makes you want to kiss and love on a sweet, fat baby when you see one. It's also why many people are comfort eaters. You can be filled with emotion or with food, but the pleasure you drive from each is similar.

Do you, as a fan, find any other characteristics you like in your favorite male celebrities besides physical appearance?

When it comes to idols, it's a mostly cerebral thing for me, despite my horn-dogging all over the site. You experience the world through five senses plus one: sight, touch, taste, smell, hearing and mind/heart. I don't have a relationship with idols, so three senses are automatically excluded: smell, touch and taste. That leaves great weight on:-
- sight (human beings are attracted to beauty),
- sound (like many other OTers, a deep male voice is enough to make me implode on the spot), and
- mind/heart.

In order for me to like a person I don't even know, you've got to hit me with at least three of those, assuming that mind and heart are separate. So if you're incredibly intelligent (mind), and you make me laugh (mind/heart), and you look decent (sight), then I'm yours. I love Stephen Colbert too. If you sound amazing (Daniel Craig, yes, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, god yes!), and look good, and you're intelligent, that's good enough for me. If your looks are average, but your voice is sexeh, and you make me think and feel (Jack Hitt)? That works too. It can be the persona, or it can be the persona, but at long as my senses are getting hit, I'm A-OK.

I'm there with you, sister, on both Alan Rickman (GUH!! GUH!!) and Jeremy Northam (wholly ovary melt!!)

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YY

February 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM

I had eyes only for Clive Owen there....ooooh clive in the singlet grabbing the girl for a hot kiss......then saying I've been wanting to do that ever since I laid eyes on you.....I died! Jeremy Northam....is that the tall valet...lean and goodlooking with hungry eyes like Cassius? I also noticed this cute older guy, rather short and plump, the ex-convict....a bit like an English Grandpa.

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YY

February 11, 2011 at 10:08 PM

There's a country singer in the latest American Idol auditions.....I saw him in Hollywood Week....he's got the deepest twangiest country voice.....so low and deep it's so funny.

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Viola

February 11, 2011 at 5:15 PM

I absolutely adore Stephen Colbert!! *trepidation* Do we need to fight over him too? Nah! He is already married! :P

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Lahlita

February 11, 2011 at 5:51 PM

*sigh* Jesus Lord on a mountain. Listen, woman, you know I love you. I truly do and despite all my joking, I gladly give Siwon to you. But let me tell you, I am going to $%!# YOU UP if you even think about fighting me for Stephen Colbert. I am the one-woman cheerleading section for the Colbert Nation, m'keh? And that's the truthiness!

(But maybe we could timeshare?)

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mud

February 11, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Oh my.... *wary about an ambush* but I have to declare that I love Stephen Colbert too!!! However, I'm going to give up since he's more than double my age... and the fact that he's married...with kids...*le sigh*

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Lahlita

Should we count votes from people like Don't Call me Mr. Hand Towel, or the other obvious non-handles?

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Viola

February 13, 2011 at 7:46 AM

I want to see who The Kidnappers will vote for! I miss her/him. :)

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MJP

February 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM

@ Jomo

LOL LOL LOL LOL

You sincerely made my weekend with your great humor!

BTW, I too have resisted FB. I am waiting for better security measures to be installed. But it sounds like a great opportunity for you to expand your horizon.

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Lahlita

February 13, 2011 at 2:55 PM

Stephen Colbert for the absolute win! I love that man too much. I was one of the people in the Colbert Nation who voted for NASA's Node 3 to be named Colbert. I wrote his name in every single day. I am pathetic, and proud of it! :D

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samgetang

February 15, 2011 at 1:46 PM

"In order for me to like a person I don’t even know, you’ve got to hit me with at least three of those, assuming that mind and heart are separate. So if you’re incredibly intelligent (mind), and you make me laugh (mind/heart), and you look decent (sight), then I’m yours. I love Stephen Colbert too."

Lahlita, thanks for saying it aloud for me :-) likewise! and add the voice, too...

Im not a Comedy Central fan but he must be really good if you like him and that's your criteria.

Because of language and cultural barrier we may not appreciate thoroughly the Korean guys in the humor department. Or maybe I dont know many of them yet to say. Any recommendations? :-)

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rowensage

February 11, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Personally I look for personality more than looks. (Now I know nothing about Korean idols so you'll have to excuse me as I use my favorite Japanese ones ^_^)

I look for intelligence, genuine kindness, and nerdiness. For example, my favorite Japanese idols are younger Sakurai Sho, Kato Shigeaki, and Ikuta Toma. Why?

Because when Sho was younger (he doesn't do this much anymore though :/ ) there was this huge gap in his personality where he was so smart and so put together but sometimes just so clueless and lacking common sense (and the ability to do sports ^_^)

February 11, 2011 at 10:04 AM

you know what i really like about dramabeans is the feeling of a family.. :)

Happy friday! keep up the good work!:)

Happy Friday to all...

Will be busy making heart shape cakes and cookies this weekend with my daughters....and probably watch reruns on SG and SKKS....lol

Finished 'Housemaid' the movie, sorry JB, I didn't understand the go WOW about it, when I finished what the....basically everyone EVERYONE in this movie was soooo freaking weird and sooooo BAD (morally) even the little girl.
*shudder shuddder* Cinematography was good though, I could see they aimed for awards but still...

Again, why award winner movies are always hard to enjoy and understand?

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Kristal

February 11, 2011 at 2:01 PM

I haven't seen the remake but have you checked out the original Housemaid which I believe is from the 60s? It was quite weird but also quite tame compared to what I hear is in the new Housemaid. But it was a weird little flick too!

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30 kou

February 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Almost forgot. I watched Kokuhaku (Confessions) earlier this week. I was afraid that it would be one of those boring award movies but it was sick awesome.

It was intense. It was awesome sauce. It's been so long since I've seen a movie with child actors that are on par with their veteran counterparts. I can't say that the kids out-shined the lead actress because let's face it, she was at the top of her game. But they were committed and it didn't feel like I was watching kids saying awkward lines to a camera.

Highly recommended. Sad, frustrating, innocent and so very ugly.

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31 jen

February 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Happy Friday everyone! TGIF!

What amazes me is that I still keep hoping the storyline will move again. I did the same thing with MSOAN.

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leonardswench

February 11, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Oh, please, NO NO NO not the MSOAN CURSE!!!

February 11, 2011 at 4:08 PM

They were much cuter in the earlier episodes.

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35 Carinne

February 11, 2011 at 12:05 PM

TGIF Peeps!

I hope your week passed w/ better fond memories.

So I can't help it these few days searching for a boost of inspiration, so I turn to... Matt Cardle's [TheXFactorUK 2010 winner] road to success.

Matt Cardle ~ When We Collide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZjn6nCsYIY

LOL I double posted. Well, great minds think alike :P

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36 hester

February 11, 2011 at 12:10 PM

RE: My Princess

Does anyone else feel the urge to FIRE whoever put together their soundtrack??

Talk about bizarre and annoying!

ugh...it's kind of killing the drama for me. :-p

A comedy drama I'm enjoying: 'Life Special Investigation Team'.

It's about an insurance company's special investigation team. Each episode has a new investigation.

Has anyone here watched it?

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Katey B

February 11, 2011 at 8:03 PM

And there never was a more deserving birthday girl!!!

so I have Changmin fever to the MAX hahaha... he's so cute^^ and then he goes and calls out an I LOVE YOU KYUHYUN-AH!! (as in Super Junior's Maknae Kyuhyun) on shimshimtapa, and it was HILARIOUSLY AWESOME :)

Yeah Paradise Ranch is pretty cute, a little frustrating because the plot still seems to go round and round and never get anywhere but I'm looking forward to the next episode^^

and OMG I watched ROCK! ROCK! ROCK! and it rocked my socks off, pun intended, Noh Min Woo was pretty awesome but the story, omg I cried when Jaegi died >_< and I felt so bad for Tae Won during his whole depression and self-doubting era, and omg I just want to go and hug the real tae won... I remember seeing him in all these variety shows and he's always been this incredibly mysterious presence and now I got a glimpse into his life and i was TT___TT for him...

oooh and I watched Petty Romance/ a.k.a Slightly Risque Romance and Mr. Voice was really cute, everything was cute, nothing earth shattering but I could live off the cute^_^

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44 ling

February 11, 2011 at 7:34 PM

I’ve been watching SECRET GARDEN again and again...i think i've been watching for hundred times...kekekee

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45 Anna

February 11, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Hi guys!

I need help with choosing my next drama. I just finished watching High Kick Through the Roof, do you know any other dramas that are similar with the same 30 minutes format?

February 12, 2011 at 1:57 PM

i too am suspicious of the secretary...
off topic, but why is the actress that plays yujun so wooden? she is really bad...

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48 YY

February 11, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Ok guys. First I want to say I'm so happy for my buddy xObiO7 (she's actually a Jedi Knight in her other life) cos Egypt is finally free from Mubarak. Every time I see images of Egypt's unrest and the people massing in the streets these past few weeks, my heart feels very heavy for her and her dad and family. So I'm so so happy Mubarak stepped down.....FINALLY.

Now back to my fav topic...MP. Just curious as to how many kisses you think they'll give us? I say, just one more. So that'd make it 2 kisses. I notice for most Kor dramas, the norm is a minimum of 2 kisses. Tamra had 1. Jewel in the Palace had none. It made up for that with copious hugs. The hugs were lovely....

Which drama had the most kisses? PK? I counted about 6 kisses. I say about cos the last kiss was filmed in total darkness in the car and shot from BEHIND. This excludes the kisses in the YT edition. For a kor drama, it was pretty racy, eh? No wonder many die-hard KHJ fans were so mad. They didn't want him to kiss girls, they wanted him to just sing and act.

Goong had a few kisses but not that many....the last kiss was shot from far away China so all we could see was shadowy figures in a blurry embrace. But it's fused in my memory for that hot breathy, tonguey kiss in his room.

Rain's kisses in A Love to Kill were also hot and tonguey, and quite revolting actually: the first kiss he forced on her, the second kiss he administered after she threw out....yeah, disgusting right: kissing a girl whose mouth stinks from vomit and with drool and vomit stains smeared around her lips....BLEAH. He sorta used his tongue to clean the insides of her mouth too. You could see the shape of his tongue doing a dentist-sweep all around from outside. Gross. So that kiss has been seared on my memory cells as the most disgusting bleah-inducing kiss ever.

My fav kisses....PSH's in PP; he's a great kisser, the guy in Will it Snow for Xmas....lovely, he had tears in his eyes, the kiss by the tortoises in Who Are You (loved that show btw): the kiss was shy yet possessive; he did it with his hands stuffed in his pocket, and the kiss in the rain in PK cos it was young and pure and gentle.

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mud

February 12, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Ewww... your description of Dentist Rain is just.... ewww. The man's a professional, gotta respect that. Though I'm sure it's fake vomit, but still the imagery of using his tongue to clean up.... oh man.

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YY

February 12, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Sorry mud.....I was badly traumatised by the dentist-kiss, just wanted to spread the trauma to you guys
he he....what are friends for but to share?

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x0mi07

February 13, 2011 at 1:16 PM

thanks yy!^^ *hugs tight* yey for the most awesome yoda ever!^^ =P

mannnnn....... that park shi hoo kiss in pp was DIVINE!XD *swoon* i miss jewel in the palace.... i should watch it again.=D

i'm a kim hyun joong fan.... but i don't like to see him kiss cuz he makes kissing a wall seem more interesting than kissing him... -___-;; okay wait... i don't like seeing him acting at all. -___-;;

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49 ck1Oz

February 11, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Hello.Since this is an OT will confess to being a Yongseo fan and since it's their 1st yr anniversary and all felt like spazzing.

How cute is it that the international fans translated Yonghwa's Banmal song into so many languages? Just a few I liked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci-vUlh5hU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRw9cckYy6s

They bought them a couple bike it's the cutest thing Benetton Piesso and a digital piano amongst other gifts.

I know some of you pass by from viki....what?I don't have to like only eye candy all the time.This couple is like the sweetest thing evar.It's like watching a 1st love but even better than a drama.I've already got a few of the others addicted.

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50 Lilly

February 11, 2011 at 11:29 PM

Time travel drama? Love the idea you have, and comedy dramas always make me cry more.

Will they be parted by time forever?
Was she murdered in the past?
Can he save her? Can the past be changed?

Bring on the the right music and rip my heart out with it too. Am so there.

Write it and make them make it for us.

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