Coffee Prince: Fifteenth Cup
by javabeans
One thing I’ve noticed about the acting in Coffee Prince: Aside from the generally solid performances given by the main characters in any given scene, also worth pointing out are the reaction shots. By which I mean: the responses of those not performing the main action or dialogue in the scene, but rather reacting to it.
A lot of times, actors aren’t very conscious of their reaction shots (actors are vain; why act when I’m not “on”?), but when they do deliver a great reaction, it gives a scene that extra layer of completeness, three-dimensionality. Without that layer, it’s like you’re just an audience member watching something being performed in front of you. With it, though, the scene feels more like it’s unfolding around you, that you’ve witnessed a genuine moment, and that’s a lovely thing. Lee Seon Kyun (Han Sung) in particular has some great reaction shots this episode.
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EPISODE 15 SUMMARY
It’s the day after the end of Episode 14, and Eun Chan asks Han Gyul repeatedly, happily, if he’s truly not going to leave for New York. Apparently she’s been asking nonstop since he first mentioned it.
Enjoying her response, Han Gyul asks if that makes her that happy, and she nods yes. She feels guilty for being the reason he’s staying, though, because toy designing was his dream. Han Gyul responds that he’d liked the idea of being a designer because it was something he could do all on his own, but he’s finding that managing a business, and working with others, is fun too.
Eun Chan tells him that after meeting his grandmother, she gained newfound motivation to become a cool, impressive woman worthy of him. Someone who doesn’t just receive support but also provides it, for him and also her family.
Han Gyul’s grandmother is still upset with Eun Chan, and complains to Mr. Hong about her. Mr. Hong matter-of-factly tells Granny that she should be thankful for Eun Chan, who’s not only a decent kid but a far better catch than even Han Gyul. Han Gyul shaped up and did a great job with the cafe because of her pushing him along and motivating him. Granny should count her lucky stars; Eun Chan’s perfect granddaughter-in-law material.
As for the Princes: Min Yub is in a dark mood, replaying Eun Sae’s goodbye kiss in his head and scowling at everyone. Sun Ki’s in a good mood, now that he’s a frequent visitor to the woman he’d been searching for, even if they’re not progressing into a romantic relationship (in fact, she’d rather he leave her alone, because she doesn’t want to keep being painted by his parents as the horrible married lady who ruined the life of their precious son).
Ha Rim, the most frank and sexual-minded of them all, doesn’t get Sun Ki’s whole platonic thing. He offers Eun Chan the benefit of his expertise, should she need it. (Uncomfortable with the subject, Eun Chan turns the tables on him by mentioning his butt tattoo, which effectively scares him away. Heh.)
That night, Han Gyul again vies for Eun Chan’s attention while she’s busy studying. Their playful mood turns into an argument when Eun Chan brings up the debt she’s still repaying — complete with interest. Han Gyul bristles — he never asked for interest, and he doesn’t want to take her money: “Would you accept it? Think about it from my position! What kind of guy would take money from his girl, knowing she was in a tough spot?”
Eun Chan doesn’t see things his way. It’s her debt, and it’s her responsibility to repay it, no matter their relationship. If she doesn’t, she won’t feel right. She opts out of the fight by leaving for the night, and Han Gyul shouts after her as she walks out the door: “Hey! Hey, where are you going? Stop right there! One, two, two and a half, three! Hey, you’re not really gone, right? I know you’re standing outside, come back in! Don’t go!”
After trying to resist calling, Han Gyul finally gives in — only to find her phone is turned off. He stews with impatience, worry, curiosity. She’s not really mad, but she’s making a point, and sends him a good-night text message (“See you tomorrow!”) — then shuts off her phone again. Hehe.
Yu Ju fills Han Sung in on meeting her mother (who’s on her fourth marriage), who initially warned her against marrying. (After seeing Yu Ju starting to consider the idea, her mother changed her mind and told her to go for it.) Her mother said Yu Ju would have a hard time finding a man willing to put up with her; Yu Ju looks at Han Sung and says, “Ah, but there’s one such guy right here.”
With the subject on the table, Han Sung digs through a bag of snack crackers, and places a ring-shaped one around her finger: “Let’s marry.” She doesn’t respond directly, and he entreats her to think about it. She says she will.
The Choi cousins discuss their woman troubles together (after Han Gyul congratulates Han Sung on the pregnancy); the underlying issue is similar for both. Han Sung: “Wouldn’t it be nice if the girl leaned on the guy just a bit? It’s a worry, when the girl’s too well-off on her own.”
Han Gyul says he envies Han Sung, who wonders why — wasn’t he happy being independent? Has he changed? Han Gyul tells him something that can be translated as a cross between “I’m crazy about Go Eun Chan” and “I adore her to bits.” He continues: “I want to live with her.”
The cousins don’t even pretend to listen to each other as they both ponder their respective concerns, aloud:
Han Gyul: “Would marriage be good?”
Han Sung: “Isn’t it better to regret getting married than regret not getting married?”
Han Gyul: “Seems like it could be a good idea.”
Han Sung: “Yeah, right?”
Han Gyul: “Huh? What?”
Han Sung: “Never mind.”
Han Gyul: “Marriage…”
Han Gyul’s mother calls Eun Chan out for lunch, and asks her kindly about the status of her relationship with Han Gyul. It seems Han Gyul’s thinking of marriage, but she worries that they’ve only known each other for three months. Eun Chan answers that she knows she’s lacking much; Han Gyul has much more going for him than she does: “Seeing him, I’ve gained a goal, too — to become an impressive person. So I can’t marry right now, because I haven’t accomplished anything as Go Eun Chan yet.” She assures Han Gyul’s mother that Han Gyul truly loves his family a lot; she won’t do anything to cause them trouble.
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Dancing together as the sun sets, Han Sung prepares himself for bad news when Yu Ju tells him she has something she has to say. But he’s caught completely off-guard when Yu Ju kneels, takes out a ring box, and asks him, “Will you marry me?”
I love Han Sung’s shocked, hopeful reaction as Yu Ju tells him she can’t give him the stars and the moon or make other impossible promises: “But I’ll try hard.” She knows she isn’t the type of daughter-in-law his parents will like, but still, she’ll try her best at that too.
Rendered speechless, Han Sung attempts to say something.
Han Sung: “What do I say…? You’ve turned me in to a fool — my head’s completely empty.”
Yu Ju: “I want to have a baby like you. Thank you, for being by my side. I love you.”
Han Sung: “Love you too.”
Yu Ju: “I love you lots more.”
Han Sung: “Thank you.”
(Practically crazy with excitement, an ecstatic Han Sung calls Han Gyul to tell him the news, so thrilled he can hardly tell if it’s a dream or reality. Han Gyul: “You’re calling just to brag?!” Haha.)
Eun Chan’s mother seems to feel sorry toward the quieter, downspirited Mr. Gu, who’s decided to get over his feelings for her. She knows he’s a good man, and thanks him for allowing her to feel like a woman again — she’d thought that time of her life was over. She tells him that maybe, if after both her daughters are married and well settled, if he’s still available, they might give it a try then. She seems sincere, and he’s thrilled to have just even that tiny nod of encouragement.
Han Gyul tells Eun Chan about Han Sung and Yu Ju’s good news, which she’s happy to hear. She exhibits her naivete when she wonders for a moment how they can be pregnant already, then catches Han Gyul’s eye and half-embarrassedly says, “Ah, right.” He asks her how many children she wants, and she jokes ten, then amends that to three. He figures about the same. With his mind on the future, he asks if she likes cleaning (“Who likes cleaning?”) or dish-washing (“Can’t you see how I break dishes?”).
Han Gyul decides, “No, that won’t do.” Eun Chan asks what won’t do, and he answers: “Living together.”
Han Gyul lists all the reasons she wouldn’t be a good living partner (snoring, eating too much), and she retorts, “Who said I wanted to live together?” Han Gyul’s response: “Then what about marriage?” Surprised, she asks cautiously if he’s saying he wants to get married, and he tries not to act too serious, saying that he’s just bringing up the subject — it doesn’t mean he’s suggesting it.
Han Gyul asks, a little more seriously, what kind of proposal she’d like to receive. Playing along, Eun Chan lists a bunch of silly things, like a big diamond ring, 100 red roses, violins on a ferry boat, a blown-up picture of herself posted at the roof of a skyscraper… At her jokey response, Han Gyul tells her to forget it and go home… then drags her back for another hug. “Don’t go.”
The next day, while driving along, Han Gyul fantasizes what it would be like living with Eun Chan (the song is “Maiden Voyage” by Missing Island):
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Everyone seems to be aware of Han Gyul’s marriage-minded feelings, because his father tells Grandma that his biggest life regret is allowing her to split him up from Han Gyul’s mother: “I’d like for Han Gyul not to go through the same.” Han Gyul’s mother mentions meeting Eun Chan, and tells Grandma: “At first, I thought she was completely wrong for Han Gyul, but looking at her, she’s cheerful and straightforward. I found her comfortable.” She compares her to Yu Ju, who has a few difficult points, whereas Eun Chan is pleasant and easy to be around.
Yu Ju invites Han Gyul to come with her and Han Sung while she tries on bridal gowns. Initially he declines, but hearing Eun Chan wistfully say she’d like to wear a nice dress too makes him change his mind. Again, his imagination takes off:
But alas, it’s Yu Ju wearing the dress, not Eun Chan.
Han Gyul watches the happy couple enviously, and suggests that Eun Chan try a dress on, too. It’s like Han Gyul is so bursting with the idea of marriage that he can’t stop himself, and he blurts:
Han Gyul: “Do you want to wear one of those and marry me?”
Eun Chan: “What?”
Han Gyul: “Marry me, Go Eun Chan.”
Eun Chan: “Are you… proposing?”
Han Sung (thoroughly enjoying the scene, particularly Han Gyul’s discomfort), breaks in to note that Han Gyul sure is in a hurry to get married, but this proposal is all wrong. Han Gyul tells Eun Chan not to answer right away; he’s just telling her to think about it. She starts to say, “What’s there to think about?” but he stops her from answering, most likely assuming her answer will be negative, and tells her to think it over carefully.
Eun Chan says she was gonna say yes, but then goes on (teasingly) that it’s a good thing he stopped her. He’s difficult to please, and it would be tiring marrying him: “Cancel that.” The happily engaged, ignored couple watch as Eun Chan runs out of the room, and Han Gyul chases her.
Han Sung and Yu Ju drop by the Choi residence to deliver their good news to the adults. The family suggests a nice, small wedding between close family and friends, which suits the couple. Furthermore, I love how when Han Sung drops news of Yu Ju’s pregnancy, everyone is happy to hear it (no moralistic preachiness about premarital blah-blah-blah).
Granny makes a jab at how she’s displeased with Han Gyul, and Han Gyul takes the opportunity to do a little reverse psychology. He grumbles about Eun Chan’s stubbornness over diligently repaying his loan (and insisting on giving him interest!), how she’s always hounding him to save money and not be so wasteful, how she won’t indulge him to go out and play because she’s so engrossed in her studies…
At Grandma’s continued disapproval, Han Gyul appeals to her to reconsider. Yu Ju praises Eun Chan, as does Han Sung, and Han Gyul counts all those in favor — Yu Ju, Han Sung, his father… and notes with excitement that his mother seems to have changed her mind. She admits she gives half her consent.
Eun Chan tells her sister about her proposal, and figures they can get married in another five years. Or maybe four, if five is too long. Eun Sae sighs in frustration — four years? Is he going to wait for her for so long?: “How is it you know less of the world than I do?”
Meanwhile, Han Gyul goes ring shopping.
Arriving for Han Sung and Yu Ju’s wedding, Han Gyul works up his nerve and fumbles, flustered, as he puts a ring on Eun Chan’s finger (in a hilarious bit, he panics when it doesn’t fit right, upset that he got the wrong size, until Eun Chan corrects him — he’s got the wrong finger).
Eun Chan assumes it’s a couple ring, but Han Gyul asks: “Will you be my bride?”
Eun Chan smiles and nods shyly, and he smiles in relief. They walk along happily together — for about a second. Because Eun Chan alludes to a wedding in four or five years, stopping Han Gyul short, confused: “Four, five years? But I’m going to get married this year.”
Eun Chan can’t imagine getting married so soon — she has things to do with her life, she’s too young. Wasn’t he intending to marry later?
Inside the hall, Han Gyul’s grandmother finally falters under the pains that have been plaguing her all episode long…
Unaware of this, Han Gyul and Eun Chan continue their discussion. He suggests talking through each point thoughtfully. Why does she want to wait five years?
Eun Chan answers that she’d only ever worked to make money to support her family, but now she finally has a dream of her own, and that’s to become a good barista. Han Gyul tells her she can still do those things after getting married — and if she’s worried about her family, he’ll take responsibility for them.
Eun Chan: “Responsibility? How? For how long? It’s better not to make promises you can’t keep. Will you live forever, and never die?”
Han Gyul: “What?”
Eun Chan: “My father said he’d take responsibility for our family forever. But he couldn’t do that. A person can’t take responsibility over another person. You can only take responsibility for yourself. Until I can accomplish things on my own, I won’t marry.”
She starts to walk off, and he holds her back, telling her:
Han Gyul: “I’ve already talked to my family, and gotten the adults’ consent. All you have to do is agree, and we can get married right now, with no problems.”
Eun Chan: “You already told your family? Marry right now? How can you do that to me, without even telling me? This is unbelievable.”
Han Gyul: “Unbelievable? You said yourself that you would marry me. Was that an empty promise?”
Eun Chan: “That didn’t mean I’d marry you right now. How can you decide that on your own? Is my family that laughable to you?”
Eun Chan storms off, leaving Han Gyul to yell after her, “Hey! Stop right there!”
Additional thoughts:
Here’s what I think of this latest development. I’ve seen comments from people who are gradually starting to “bore” or tire of the recent plot turns, because the fact that Eun Chan and Han Gyul are happily dating reduces the angst of the prior episodes. Yes, that’s true, but I will heartily disagree with the stance that “they got together too early” or “they’re running out of story,” because that supposes that there’s no story worth telling after a couple’s initial realization of their feelings for each other. That argument would also force Coffee Prince into a story mold that I’ve seen before (couple meets, struggles as they develop feelings for each other, realizes they’re in love, happy end). I’ve already grown tired of that version of boy meets girl. I wanted Coffee Prince to do something different, and they’re doing it.
What I particularly dislike is when a series does the opposite and ends entirely too abruptly. There’s a lot more to love than the declaration thereof, and stories that crescendo suddenly with a tearful reunion and avowal of adoration belittle the stuff that comes afterward. What I enjoy about this development is that Eun Chan and Han Gyul have to now work through a very real conflict, one with no winner and no right answer. Despite the fact that they clearly love each other, they’re at different points in their lives right now, with different priorities. Heck, it took Yu Ju and Han Sung ten years to finally get on the same page about their future together.
I don’t doubt that we’ll get a satisfactorily happy ending. I have my own ideas about how that’ll come about, but frankly I’m satisfied not speculating, and would rather just see how things play out. But I do appreciate that I’m not being shortchanged on the relationship developments that occur after a couple falls for each other, because that’s a part of their love story, too.
Of course, you’re all free to disagree.
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1 Bessie
August 20, 2007 at 6:32 PM
It's here It's here.....Thank you. Thank you Javabeans!!!! I can't believe it!!!!
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2 Mics
August 20, 2007 at 6:32 PM
Holy Cripes you're earlier than expected @___@ Thanks!
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3 Jellybeanz
August 20, 2007 at 6:38 PM
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4 Lacus
August 20, 2007 at 6:43 PM
Waaaa! So fast! Thank you for your wonderful summaries!
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5 arieshorse
August 20, 2007 at 6:47 PM
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6 PrettynBlue
August 20, 2007 at 6:51 PM
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7 tuesdhei
August 20, 2007 at 6:54 PM
finally you're here ha ha! hi javabeans!
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8 Cheesey
August 20, 2007 at 6:55 PM
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9 Ruhanizza
August 20, 2007 at 6:57 PM
Thank You so much. u are e best.
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10 endianend
August 20, 2007 at 6:59 PM
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU JAVABEANS!! When watching a drama, I like to know and watch what happens AFTER the couple gets together. The usually happy ending with the big kiss of the series gets tiring after watching a few kdramas (with the same ending). After watching those dramas, I always wished they woyuld show us more and now FINALLY in Coffee Prince, they are doing just that! Couldn't ask for anything more :D
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11 Mimi
August 20, 2007 at 7:01 PM
Thanks for posting this!!This time it is earlier than last time!!Keep on doing your great job!Fighting!=DDWay to go!
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12 godzillaicecream
August 20, 2007 at 7:02 PM
Finally, conflict between the couple. Although I totally loved all of the cute moments, it just couldn't last any longer. I agree with you Javabeans, this new twist is more interesting to watch. The couple is past the honeymoon phase where everyone is in love and happy, but then reality kicks in. I'm really happy that Eun Chan doesn't want to change who she is just to be with Han Gyul. Thanks for the summaries, as always they're great!
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13 jigs
August 20, 2007 at 7:04 PM
Thank you so much.....wow you are really fast!!!
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14 wandergirl
August 20, 2007 at 7:06 PM
Wow I was surprised not to see over 100 comments posted yet! Hahaha.
Han Gyul has certainly grown on me, and I wonder how this new conflict will resolve.
Like you, I enjoy watching what happens to a couple after getting together. Sometimes the whole "OK, we're together. End of story." gets tiring.
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15 wizie
August 20, 2007 at 7:09 PM
YAY, thanks for an early summary again=).
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16 skye
August 20, 2007 at 7:10 PM
thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
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17 DianaB
August 20, 2007 at 7:11 PM
Thank you, thank you for the great (and fast) recap! Wow! HK sounds super cute this episode with all the marriage talk and daydreaming!! What I heard had me thinking EC turned HK's proposal down...not as bad as I feared. I can understand EC's reluctance to marry soon...she hasn't been her own person yet (before she lived only to provide for her mom and sister). Plus, the recap indicated that EC feels she needs to make herself worthy of marrying HK (when she is talking to his mother). On the other hand, as Mr. Hong pointed out, HK has already become a better person through EC's influence. Is it so bad to help your beloved achieve his/her dreams? (i.e. to fulfill her dream while HK's wife) Then, of course, there is the dirty/practical point of view...does she really expect HK to be celibate for 4-5 years? :O in any case, I think you are right javabeans. There is a lot of story left. I am uneasy about the "they lived happily ever after" ending because that isn't real. Real life is overbearing in-laws, (often) money woes, differing expectations of marriage, and so on...EC and HK have been very real up to this point...it makes no sense to veer off course now.
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18 panda
August 20, 2007 at 7:13 PM
waaaah so fast...
i like the new development btw, you're right, i almost bored with the 'happy' story... from the episodes previously... ;p now it's new twist...
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19 tuesdhei
August 20, 2007 at 7:14 PM
after reading you can watch 15th cup (raw) here: http://episode-guide.blogspot.com/search/label/coffee%20prince
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20 Rain_scent
August 20, 2007 at 7:14 PM
Javameans nice job! Thanks.
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21 April
August 20, 2007 at 7:17 PM
I agree too! I'm SO happy with these new developments. Usually dramas end so abruptly after the couple declares their love, and thats the end of the series. Just because both confess their feelings for one another doesn't mean its just happily ever after, it gets harder afterwards! Personally, I LOVE where Coffee Prince has taken us, and I'm so excited to see them get together. With this drama, I feel like we were actually peeking in on this couple's lives. I would feel cheap and shortchanged if all they showed was, "I love you!" . "Oh really!? I love you too" The end. Happily ever after.
Yes, the drama doesn't have the anst and heartstopping moments like previous episodes, but it's a nice change. I was so afraid before of what would happen after episode 12, all the typical cliches of what usual Korean dramas would do were running through my head, but I am not worried anymore. The writer has taken this series and turned it into, something AMAZING. I seriously LOVE Coffee Prince and this is by far the BEST Korean Drama I have ever seen!
Whenever I watch Korean Drama, I always skim through them and skip parts, this is the FIRST Korean Drama where I have to sit and SAVOR each and every second. For me, this lull of happiness and just watching the couple develop their relationship is perfect.
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Cheryl
July 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM
Savor every bit, just like a good cup of coffee. ;D I love that it's looking at what comes after "I love you", too. Life doesn't stop throwing challenges at you and for as long as you and your beloved are together, you'll get on each other's nerves and misunderstand one another and have days when love will mean choosing to cook breakfast in the frying pan instead of smacking your SO upside the head with it. ;)
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22 Usachin
August 20, 2007 at 7:18 PM
wow thank you for your summary *o* i just love it. so now i can get what happened cuz i dont understand korean nor watched it live cuz keeps on buffering.
anyway, i do agree, dramas never tell the relationship thru, its always a happy end after the strungle near the end when they finally understand they love each other. So its nice to see that they arent getting back and forth with lots of problems to separated them. What "separated" them now its realationship itself. Dramas usually asume that they end up happy together 4ever after they get together but real life isnt like that, especially to Eun Chan, that dont have any experience thru relationships.
i am really happy that it never had a real third party to break then apart like it usually do, and that they are together but not in sync, and it needs a time to settle a real relationship, after all the pasion it got to have estability, and they are building it up now.
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23 4blueroyal
August 20, 2007 at 7:21 PM
i don't know why she's being so difficult, he said that he will take care of her family....See this is why (women like that) will end up single for the rest of their lives. Living for others instead of themselves.
-this is 1 man's opinion-no offense to anyone- *.*
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Cheryl
July 20, 2013 at 7:13 PM
I think she's being too difficult as well, but what he's missing is that the situation, in her mind isn't simply one of "I have to support my family". She also wants to become a barrista and it's something she wants to accomplish for herself before settling down into marriage. I get the feeling it's partially about wanting to figure out who she is and what she's about and feel like she's accomplished something with her life, and there's also the fact that with marriage comes keeping house and taking care of a husband (and children, when those come along) and everything else that falls to the wife (re: HG's mother's comments questioning if EC's housekeeping skills and HG's remarks in the shop about EC's domestic habits). It's hard enough in America to juggle school, home, and marriage when you're a woman, and I hear even more of the domestic falls to women in Korea. When I went back to school in my twenties, I wasn't in a relationship and I made a promise to myself that if that changed before I graduated, marriage would wait until after I had my degree.
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24 Marisse
August 20, 2007 at 7:23 PM
YEY!!! Been looking forward to this since the last episode!
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25 Lusi
August 20, 2007 at 7:24 PM
I need to say thank you first before reading it. Thanks!!!
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26 Witchtwitch09
August 20, 2007 at 7:24 PM
Thank you for the summary Javabeans..:) i totally agree with you. isn't it more realistic this way to see the developments of the couple after they got together? some kdramas are way too idealistic! "they live happily ever after." :P that's why i love han sung and yu ju couple.. i thought that the relationship they have was pretty realistic, i mean i can see couples around who are like them and i like this kind of feeling that this drama gives--down to earth. :)
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27 kiwee
August 20, 2007 at 7:26 PM
i dont really know what youre talking about about the reaction theory, but i loved han sung in this episode too. him and yu ju are hilarious.
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28 Samantha
August 20, 2007 at 7:27 PM
thanks i enjoyed this episode... especially the scene when han gyul begs eun chan not to leave his house after their "fight"... it was so cute
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29 jingpoy48
August 20, 2007 at 7:28 PM
I agree! Eloquently put! But, damn my romantic side still want them to be together in the end!! I will be depressed...
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30 caramel
August 20, 2007 at 7:28 PM
Thanks soo much ^^
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31 jingpoy48
August 20, 2007 at 7:28 PM
if they didnt....
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32 Javabeans
August 20, 2007 at 7:31 PM
4blueroyal, it's good to have a man's point of view, since mine's a decidedly female one. I completely see where Han Gyul is coming from, and I don't think he's done anything wrong. But I don't think Eun Chan is being difficult for not jumping at the chance to marry him immediately. Men who are established in career and finances tend not to understand this about women -- we've worked so hard to establish our own identity that marriage at such an early stage can seem tantamount to giving up one's own identity. (I said it can SEEM, I'm certainly not saying it is.) At least Yu Ju's established herself and made a name on her own, so she is ready and willing to marry Han Sung, and we can be fairly certain that will be an equal partnership. But with Han Gyul and Eun Chan, we see that he's very willing (and kudos to him) to give her his money, his name, his belongings -- it doesn't occur to him that it's important for a woman to achieve things on her own too.
A woman is not an extension of her man. I completely understand Eun Chan. (And of course, at the same time, I do hope both come to a compromise because I don't think it's going to make anyone happy to assert either extreme.)
And DianaB, I agree with the dilemma you've outlined. As to the celibacy issue... it may end up being a moot issue, but for now I don't think Eun Chan is saying they have to be celibate for five years... Yes, she's very naive about sex, and she did say that people who sleep together should be in a marrying relationship. But I tried very specifically (at the time of that recap) to be careful and not translate Eun Chan's stance as meaning sex was only for married people. Rather, I interpreted her statement to mean that people who sleep with each other should be in a relationship that leads to marriage. As in, if you can't imagine marrying someone, sex isn't in the equation. Like it's been pointed out, I think their relationship is physical enough that it would at some point be natural for them to progress to that point, even if they aren't necessarily married yet. (All that is just my interpretation of the relationship.)
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33 Paula
August 20, 2007 at 7:42 PM
Oh man! It's been on here for an hour and I barely refreshed the site. lol Time to read the summary! Thanks Javabeans!! :)
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34 Anna
August 20, 2007 at 7:44 PM
It makes me really sad that the series is ending soon. Like you said, couples go through a lot and I don't like the idea of them resolving it in two episodes. Thanks for the recap and just wondering... did you put that :) at the bottom of the page? Lol just thought it was amusing!
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35 Fiona
August 20, 2007 at 7:51 PM
hi! thanks for the quick update!
yes, i totally agree with you that dramas too often end after a couple confesses their love for each other and fail to address the issues after that. i have often wondered about what happens to couples after they're together, surely it can't be all happy and conflict-free. thus, i am very appreciative of coffee prince for showing us the developments of a relationship after a couple confesses their love for each other and of course, thank you for sharing this wonderful series with us non-korean speakers.
ps. i realize that your icon located at the address bar changed. but i cant remember what it was previously.
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36 bobkatz
August 20, 2007 at 7:51 PM
Totally agree with you Javabeans on our main couple's development. I'm tiring of melodramas where the penultimate episode is always angsty and then there's the final declaration. In that respect I find Coffee Prince refreshing,just because a couple mutually like each other and are happy to be together, it doesn't mean there aren't any other obstacles as well.
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37 hua
August 20, 2007 at 7:52 PM
In complete agreement with you Javabeans! Realizing feelings for one another is only the very tip of the iceberg! The true test of a lasting relationship comes after the declaration of feelings - and even after the walk down the aisle. Very interested to see how the story ends for Coffee Prince! HG continues to be adorable!!! Thank you so much for the summary! You just made my night (like you have done so many times before).
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38
August 20, 2007 at 7:53 PM
Boy meets girl, Boy gets girl, boy loses girl then boy and girl get back together is a very common romance storyline so there's nothing new about this.
Kim Sam Soon had the couple get together then go through conflict before reuniting again at the end. Others do it even more dramatically such as in Queen of the Game and even My Girl.
What this show is lacking is that there are far too many cute moments with no real conflict. Yes, not wanting to get married at the same time creates conflict but it looks like it's something that will easily get solved - that's why people are finding it boring.
Why is she being so difficult? They only started dating, he's her first real boyfriend, they only started dating. They only started dating. They only started dating. She's not being difficult, IMO, he's being very difficult because the least he can do is give her some time. Let her get used to being in love before making such a huge commitment. She didn't refuse to marry him - she just wants to wait a bit. What's so terrible about that?
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39 kyaren
August 20, 2007 at 7:54 PM
i thought i would never see the" eun-chan-han-gyulistic" fight anymore.twas so amazing how the script writer turns the story and not being so cliche-ish.much as i love the happy ever after effect... im not yet ready to end this such wonderful drama.
to u... javabeans our never ending gratitude for a job well done!
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40 mangoicy
August 20, 2007 at 7:54 PM
Our Coffee Prince has grown-up. Nope, our Coffee Prince IS growing up. I, too, love how all the conflicts are being played out. It's no longer just a love story between a boy and tomboy girl, in fact, it's now turning into OUR story; of me and you and -yes- you who are reading this!-, of all of us who has been, or are currently in a serious relationship. They make us think, and rethink, imagining if we were in their shoes, stuck in their little situation (and soon realized that it isn't so little after all). And what I love most.. no matter how hard you peeled, dissected, and analyzed these issues, you still can't figure out the best solution with minimal damage for everyone involved. Every possible step has positive and negative consequences, mostly with equal significance. These are everyday's situations faced by most young couples regardless of our backgrounds. Financial issue, family, personal ambition; as you get older in life and in the length of your relationship, you will have to deal with these issues. I was almost in tears when I read about EunChan mentioning what she thought of her father passing away while leaving all the responsibility of a father to her alone. I never thought that it hurts her that much. And that makes me completely understand her reasons, and I do think that Han Gyul needs to oblige to her wish as well.
I'm not surprised if CP had lost some viewers who were younger and expecting more of a lighthearted situation, but I'm willing to bet as well that CP must have also gained new viewers who feel that they can relate to this more "mature" storyline. I would be greatly disappointed if CP got stuck in its adolescence and ended with an empty feeling (or a short-lived euphoria). All in all, words can't describe how glad I am with how the storyline has developed so far, I've always wanted to be able to go back and re-watch a drama for another multiple times, and know that I will always find a new meaning hidden in a beautifully delivered scenes, and won't get tired of the memorable moments.. and Coffee Prince is giving me exactly what I wanted.
Javabeans, now I do feel that Que Sera Sera-ish feeling. Never thought that CP would bring back the memories, but in a funny way, it did. I just thought that it's pretty interesting since you brought it up on the earlier episode's review.
I'm just so sad that it's almost ended. It's almost as hard as breaking up. Almost.
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41 blueseeker
August 20, 2007 at 7:55 PM
Oh i have to agree with you on both commentaries completly...i just love this drama and how it has developed all throughout, so far i think this is the only drama that has truly portrait a realistic view on relationships.
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42 miraigal
August 20, 2007 at 7:57 PM
As I fell in love with HK-EC couple, I realised that I am also falling in love with HS-YJ couple especially in this episode. I like how they hang out together, how they confide to each other, how they handled their problems together. It is a very nice contrast from HK-EC couple who are still trying to affirm their feelings and to cement their relationship. I agreed with what you said about "reaction shots" about HS especially when he was leaping with joy when YJ agreed to marry him. I can feel his joy!!
I don't have any problems with not seeing HK-EC walking down the aisle. In fact I think seeing them getting married will be a little cliche. I can totally understand where HK is coming from and why is EC refusing marriage at this point of time. I admire her guts and for standing up to what she believes in even if it means incurring the wrath of HK. I am looking forward to see where the director will lead us to in the upcoming episodes.
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43 Fiona
August 20, 2007 at 8:00 PM
since i dont watch the drama, i was wondering if you could point out what you mean by the side character's reactions to the actions of the main characters. like during the scene where yu ju was trying on bridal gowns?
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44 Tokgabi
August 20, 2007 at 8:03 PM
There are episodes left after the confession (ep. 12), so of course I expected there to be something else as equally as important yet to come. And the fact that it turned out to be such a realistic issue (the issue of commitment) makes the seriousness ring true. It may be a bit typical for a drama to target the guy's impulsive and commanding aspect of character, but Han gyul does it well and it fits with his whole personality that we've seen in previous episodes. It's a very real and raw issue for young couples, and Han Gyul and Eun Chan are just that. For the record, I'm very glad the plot did not depend on Yu Ju to be the evil, jealous ex.
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45 Paula
August 20, 2007 at 8:04 PM
Okay, now that I've read it, I totally agree with Eun Chan. I want her to be able to do things for herself first, to be independent, to do everything she wants before she gets married. Maybe it's because that's the same thing I would do. Han Gyul has already done many things such as open his open cafe, travel, etc. and he's also had some years ahead of her. So I'm with Eun Chan with her decision (kinda sucks for my asian drama side though lol). I just hope the ending won't be bad and that Eun Chan and Han Gyul will both benefit from it! :)
Anyways, hopefully the subbers will catch up. :( But I understand how long it takes to sub dramas. So thank goodness from Javabeans!! Whooh!!
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46 R
August 20, 2007 at 8:14 PM
Thank you for another quick summary.. However I must disagree with Eun Chan here.. I don't think getting married will prevent her from achieving her dreams or providing for her family (if that's what she's thinking) or even finding herself in this world.. I'm not sure about Korean society but we no longer live in a society where the married women's only identity is the "home maker" or someone who "only" takes care of her family.. I understand her point and I've been through (and still going through) putting off marriage idea in order to establish my own identity.. However unlike her I'm not in a serious relationship at this moment .. and when I had my long term relationship with my "almost" fiance I made sure he understood if we ever get married where will I stand (that is having my own identity, focusing on my career, taking care of my parents since I'm the only child, even not thinking about having kids in the next 10 years).. I think Eun Chan can still do those things even if she's married, Han Gyul doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who'll force his will on her if they get married.. Now the topic of sex is whole another issue.. The reason HG might be pushing for marriage is because of his hormone.. Because EC is reluctant to "do" it before marriage..
Yes there are lots of issues that need to sort out but I don't think her reasons are strong enough for the 21st century given that she's already said yes to him or is madly in love.. Or it could be my idea of marriage is different than others.. I don't plan to have a typical "soccer mom" type marriage.. There are times I like to be on my own there are times I like to be with my family and whoever will be my husband must understand this.. The length of their relationship doesn't bother me either.. It's not how long you know each other its how well (hard) you are willing to work on the marriage..
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47 tuesdhei
August 20, 2007 at 8:15 PM
with your "additional thoughts", I AGREE in everything you wrote there... this is the type of drama that I've been imagining --- not just the typical plot -- this is "THE RELATIONSHIP" -- this is "THE AFTER" realizing their feelings for each other that normally doesn't happen in other dramas...
Scenes that I like:
>>I love that part when Yu Ju proposed -- Han Sung was totally caught off guard, it's funny and romantic.
>>As for Han Gyul's fantasy -- "WOW" that is totally romantic!
>>Oh and when Yu Ju was fitting her dress and the two were mumbling about the proposal thing -- that must have hurt a lot, when Han Gyul tried to chase Eun Chan and he slipped and fell sideways on the floor -- WOAH! but cute ha ha!
>>but of course, the hugs and kisses at the cafe -- melts my heart!
Know what? Coffee Prince is the most UNCOMFORTABLE DRAMA I've ever seen! I'm always up on my toes for too much excitement and I can't sit properly... ha ha ha
God I LOVE THIS DRAMA from the beginning until now! Who finds it boring?! I DON'T!
Countdown again -- last two episodes -- I'm beginning to feel sad now... i really wish there'll be Season 2 -- but, how will that be since GY is joining the military service and will be gone for two years... a real bummer!
anyway, JAVABEANS THANK YOU AGAIN for your hardwork in doing this recap!
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48 einah08
August 20, 2007 at 8:18 PM
hi javabeans, thanks for your summary! im really looking forward to your summaries.. teehee!!
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49 Hariyani
August 20, 2007 at 8:18 PM
i like the way u see things... especially ur current additional tots... as u commented how much different coffee prince is, how different the way they express feelings and all, it really makes mii realise this drama is so much greater than i tot... really... haha.. thanks!
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50 obivia
August 20, 2007 at 8:19 PM
I totally agree w/ you--I feel like this development is better aligned w/ the reality of a relationship now that the "honeymoon period" is over. It dealt w/ the "real messy work" that a lot of dramas gloss over.
I think that it's progressive (one of several progressive aspects of the show) to have Eun Chan insist on establishing herself--if not, she'd just be another Cinderella (I mean, really--I'm sure she never picked up another broom after she married Prince Charming--am I wrong?) I like that Eun Chan has a dream that doesn't require a Prince Charming to solve her problems.
But yeah, I still can't help but feel sad about it all ending... Oh, the dread. At least we have your awesome summaries--thanks sooooooOOOoooo much!
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