Moonlight Drawn By Clouds: Episode 16
by javabeans
Despite my disappointment in yesterday’s episode, I was looking forward to what today would bring us, hopeful that it would do what this show does best in drawing meaning and emotion out of small, heartfelt moments and displays of interpersonal care.
We get a little bit of that, but I’m sorry to report that my hopes were not to be realized and what we have is mostly rebel political hour, which is at least a plot driver. I do wish that plot being driven were somehow more exciting or moving, but okay, at least it moved. We are not standing in the same place we were yesterday. That lining is a little silver-colored.
EPISODE 16: “The world you dream of”
And now for the return of Hong Kyung-rae. He appears before Ra-on’s mother for the first time in a decade, to her utter shock.
A bit later, the news reaches the king’s ears that the leader of the peasant rebellion has been alive all these years.
Hong Kyung-rae urges Mom to run away quickly, a fear proven accurate moments later when soldiers approaches the house. He grabs Mom’s hand and leads her away, but there are more soldiers coming from the other direction, trapping them on the grounds. They huddle around a corner, but the soldiers sense their presence and advance slowly.
Hong Kyung-rae sees that they’re about to be discovered and instructs his wife to stay absolutely put. She realizes what he means to do and begs him not to do it.
But he steps forward anyway to confront the soldiers, who come at him with swords swinging. He’s unarmed, but deftly evades blows and snatches a weapon away from a soldier, and manages to get one in a stranglehold.
When the fight throws them outside, however, he’s surrounded and outnumbered. Ra-on’s mother chokes back her horror as her husband is cornered.
The king is so shocked by news of Hong Kyung-rae’s capture that he accuses his officer of joking. Hearing that he has been hiding all these years and preparing a new rebellion is too much for the king, who has a panic attack and collapses.
Head Eunuch Han is just as stunned by the news, having believed his old colleague dead.
On his way to his wedding, Yeong hears that his father has collapsed and changes direction.
Ra-on returns home to signs of chaos and a mother stricken with shock. Mom mumbles that Ra-on’s father was taken away, gasping that he was alive all this time. Ra-on tries to soothe her mother while wrestling with her own turmoil over the news.
Hong Kyung-rae is transported through the city, sparking a hubbub among the people. Head Eunuch Han is dismayed that the friend he’d so dearly wanted to see again showed up in these circumstances and vows, “Even if I have to risk my life, I will make sure he escapes.” Byung-yeon looks at him in alarm.
Ra-on lets the rebels take her and her mother under their protection, and makes a request of Eunuch Han. He roundly rejects her proposition to see her father in the palace prison, but Ra-on pleads to be allowed to see the father she never knew.
The king is a paranoid wreck, and mutters that it wasn’t a dream but reality when he saw Hong Kyung-rae in his bedchamber the other night. The king looks fairly pathetic, but Yeong can only watch his father rambling before his ministers. Prime Minister Kim suggests that the king hold a special interrogation of the criminal, where they can sentence him to beheading.
Yeong balks at the idea of making the king interrogate the criminal given his weakened state, but the Kims are savvy at pushing the king’s buttons. The King rashly insists on proceeding with the interrogation, leaving Yeong and Head Eunuch Han dismayed.
That night, Ra-on takes on the disguise of a palace soldier to sneak into the palace, and is surprised when Byung-yeon shows up in a similar disguise to accompany her there.
Yeong heads to the prison as well, determined to ask Hong Kyung-rae his questions face to face.
Ra-on arrives first, and Byung-yeon stands guard while she approaches her father’s cell. He sits facing away from her, and Ra-on takes a long moment working up her nerve to speak to him. Before she can, Byung-yeon hears footsteps and alerts her to the danger.
Ra-on drops something into her father’s cell, and after she leaves, Hong Kyung-rae looks over to see the handkerchief embroidered with Mom’s favorite egret flower.
Ra-on and Byung-yeon leave the prison just moments before Yeong shows up on his way inside. Despite their disguises, they tense to see Minister Kim and his cronies heading straight toward them. Thankfully they can take cover behind two other guards passing by, enabling them to pass without close scrutiny.
Minister Kim takes a second look, however, observing Ra-on as she hurries on. He may sense familiarity but doesn’t quite make the connection.
In the prison, Yeong addresses Hong Kyung-rae, asking for confirmation on his identity and whether his family knows of his capture. Hong says he has no family. Yeong points out that Hong wants to get rid of the king, and asks if that makes Yeong a target. He says, “Because of you, I lost something precious.”
At that, Hong replies that when the heavens appoint a leader, it’s for the benefit of the people, not for a person to use for his own selfish interests. Yeong asks if that’s what the rebel group thinks. Hong answers, “I think there’s an error in that thinking. A leader who is for the people is not put there by the heavens. A leader who is for the people should be put there by the people themselves.”
Byung-yeon takes Ra-on back to his quarters for the night, since it’s too risky to smuggle her out right now. She tells him he’s done a lot for her tonight, and takes a look around the familiar surroundings… just as the prince steps into the room behind her.
Yeong asks Byung-yeon if he brought her here, and Byung-yeon apologizes.
Minister Kim eventually makes the connection between the palace guard and Ra-on, and tells his cronies that he saw her. The prime minister orders her caught before Hong’s interrogation begins. They suspect she’ll still be on the palace grounds, given the security, and the prime minister muses that he’d like to see the prince’s face upon witnessing that father-daughter reunion.
Yeong leads Ra-on through a back door to a quiet upstairs room, and tells her that she can hide here if she needs cover; it’s well-hidden, but he knows it because his mother sometimes used this space.
He checks that Ra-on is okay, and offers to create an opportunity for her to slip inside the prison during a changing of the guard. “People you miss should be met,” he says. She’s moved by his thoughtfulness.
The next day, prison security is ratcheted up even higher, with wanted posters featuring Ra-on’s face posted all over. Eunuchs Do Ki and Sung-yeol see the poster as they pass by, and gape in disbelief—not only is their buddy related to a traitor, but now he’s a she.
Ha-yeon is shocked first at Ra-on’s true identity, then at the realization that the prince’s beloved eunuch was a woman.
Head Eunuch Han informs Byung-yeon of the plan to break Hong Kyung-rae out of prison in two days, which will involve rebels in disguise and an underground passage, with Eunuch Hong taking the fugitives outside the palace. Byung-yeon nods in understanding, and Eunuch Hong urges him to protect Ra-on well.
Yeong is surprised to find Ha-yeon waiting for him in his room, and she explains that despite their wedding being interrupted, she was treated as the crown princess and allowed in. He apologizes for making her wait but suggests she return another time, not up for a talk right now.
Ha-yeon notices that he’s no longer wearing his bracelet and asks if he took it off. Yeong answers, “I have merely put it somewhere else momentarily.” Ha-yeon recalls the superstition about the pair of bracelets and how their wearers are bound to reunite, saying that the merchants are quite good at inventing stories.
Yeong answers, “It is probably because they understand the hearts of people who know it is a lie but wish to believe it anyway.” Judging from her disappointed reaction, Ha-yeon seems to understand what this means.
A bit later, she puts more pieces together, recalling Ra-on (as a eunuch) wearing the counterpart bracelet, and also Yeong’s admission that there was a woman he loved. Finally, she makes the realization that Ra-on is the woman the prince loves.
With Yeong’s help, Ra-on returns to the prison, initially acting the part of an ordinary prison guard. But her father has already deduced the truth, despite not exchanging words yesterday, and he calls her name. He says ruefully that he didn’t give her that name intending her to life such a hard life, and apologizes. Ra-on asks when he intended to show himself to her, and he says, “I don’t know. Maybe when the day came that you would not have to act as a man.”
She says tearfully, “Even if the world did not change, as my father by my side, you could have been a great strength to me.” But he sees it differently, not wanting to live in such a corrupt world where he would subject his wife and child to difficulties and be able to do so little about it. “I wanted to change it,” he says, “into a world that was just a little better for you to live in.”
She wishes she had at least known he was alive all these years: “I would have missed you greatly, and called out for you many times.” Her father hangs his head, looking down at his handkerchief, a tear running down his cheek.
Yeong watches the exchange from a distance, then escorts Ra-on back out of the prison. Neither sees that they’ve been spotted by Eunuch Sung, who hurries off to inform the queen.
He’s so rushed that he charges right into Yoon-sung, who’s on his way to visit. Yoon-sung watches curiously as the eunuch excuses himself and beelines for the queen.
Eunuch Sung tells her excitedly that he’s found Ra-on, and the queen lights up in delight. He adds that she was on her way toward the building where she used to live, and in the company of the prince. The queen decides she’ll have to see this for herself.
She gets up to go straightaway, and runs into Yoon-sung outside her door. He explains that he’s delivering tea from his grandfather, but also insists on speaking with her first, ignoring her impatience to leave. She tries to push past him, but he whispers into her ear that his talk has to do with that baby she smuggled out of the palace recently—and that certainly gets her attention.
So the queen returns to her chamber, and struggles to keep calm as Yoon-sung addresses what she’s done. He warns her to forget what she’s just heard about Ra-on being in the palace, and to not speak a word of it to anyone.
A bit hysterically, the queen asks what he’ll do if she does tell, saying that nobody would believe his outlandish story about swapped babies. She’s outraged that he would dare blackmail her when he doesn’t even have evidence.
“And if that child did not die but is alive?” Yoon-sung asks. “Then will the story change?” The queen’s eyes widen in horror. Yoon-sung holds her gaze levelly.
Ra-on and Yeong sit in their hideaway, and she says regretfully that she didn’t want to make more trouble for him. He tells her not to say that: “Before you and I knew even each other, our fates had already been entangled. So do not be sorry, or hurt.”
Ra-on points out that it’s late and asks if he doesn’t need to return to his palace. Reluctant to leave, Yeong says that the night is cloudy and moonless: “How can I walk that dark path alone? So I will just stay a little longer, then go.”
They hold each other’s gazes for amoment, until she looks back down and Yeong says, “Several times a day, I imagine what might have been if we had met in different circumstances. At least while we are here right now, where nobody knows, let’s look at each other without thinking about it. Ra-on-ah.”
At her name, Ra-on looks up at him. And like that, they sit there for long moments staring into each other’s eyes. Yeong’s face softens and he smiles, saying, “Tonight, I think I will sleep deeply for the first time in a long while.”
The king sits alone at his desk in his dark room, and a shadowy silhouette appears in the door. This must be a dream: Hong Kyung-rae appears with sword in hand, zooming supernaturally toward the king and raising his weapon with a roar. The blade slashes downward, and the king gasps awake in a cold sweat.
He rocks back and forth and screams for the prime minister to be summoned, his panic spurring him to move up Hong’s interrogation.
This is a concern for the rebels, who’d planned on having more time before the jailbreak. Once Hong Kyung-rae is moved for the special investigation, it will be much harder to break him out. Head Eunuch Han tells Byung-yeon that he was one who had their mole killed in prison, and that despite working together for years, emotions are a luxury when considering the cause. Their priority now is to break out their leader from prison.
Eunuch Han tells Byung-yeon to have Ra-on dress in disguise and wait in front of the palace gates, so that both can be smuggled out together.
Yeong visits Hong Kyung-rae before his interrogation, and asks him to clarify his earlier statement about a leader being appointed by the people—did he mean that he wanted a puppet king who would listen to the people’s appeals? Hong says no.
Yeong states that he also wants politics to be for the people, but doesn’t see how the people could choose a king to rule over them. Hong Kyung-rae explains that what he and his followers want is not merely a politics that is for the people, but by the people. Royals must consider themselves the sun, he says, selected by the heavens—absolute and shining. But what he wants is different: a king of the people who considers himself equal to the people. That is to say, a king who is a person.
Yeong takes this in, and Hong notes the irony of a person who dreams of being a person.
Yeong asks, “But why do you think that getting rid of the king is the only method?” Hong answers, “Because there is no king who can lay everything down on his own. You and I, noblemen and butchers, girls and boys, traitor’s children and king’s descendants. If you were to become king, could you allow for them to be equals?”
That’s a lot for Yeong to chew on, and he remains pensive. As guards arrive to transport Hong, Yeong says, “A leader established by the people is not the only one who considers the people precious. How could someone who considers each and every citizen precious ever denigrate them as dogs or pigs?”
Yeong declares, “The world I dream of and the world you dream of are not different. The only thing is how far we are from it now. I will come see you after the interrogation. It’s possible we may be able to find it without shedding blood—that path where we match our steps, heading toward the world we both dream of.” Damn, he’s good with the inspiring speeches. Hong’s face remains impassive, but I dearly hope the words make an impression.
It’s time for the king’s special interrogation, and the mood is grave as the relevant parties make their way there—the king, his entourage, the Kim faction, the rest of the ministers, Yeong.
Still in her prison garb, Ra-on waits at the appointed spot… and then is grabbed from behind. Gack! Again?
The king arrives to preside over the proceedings, and falters at the sight of Hong Kyung-rae, despite the man being tied up and injured. Prime Minister Kim begins the questions by explaining the charge of treason, and asks Hong to acknowledge it. Hong says he does not.
Prime Minister Kim states that there is a witness who can testify to Hong’s crimes, and the bloodthirsty king demands that the torture begin. Yeong, Eunuch Han, and Byung-yeon wear looks of dismay at this escalation, and this is the moment that Ra-on is brought in, having been caught by royal guards. With horror on her face, she watches her father being branded with a hot iron.
Prime Minister Kim threatens to give the death penalty immediately if Hong continues to lie, and asks if he admits to stirring up a rebellion that cost thousands of lives. At that, Hong says that if they’re equating treason to mean that rebellion, then he does acknowledge it. Moreover, he says that his accomplices are here right now.
This declaration causes alarmed looks all around. Hong declares that they are the people in power who imposed extreme taxes upon the people, then claimed most of that for themselves and fattened their own bellies while watching their people starve. He says that he led those poor people who were sustained by dreams of a new world, but it was the king who destroyed their hopes and livelihoods.
The king leaps up in outrage, but Hong Kyung-rae just cuts him off: “I am confessing.” That’s a satisfying moment, given how long we’ve had to watch this king snivel. Hong requests that those culprits be given the same sentence of execution as he will be given: “At least that much must happen for the blood of thousands of peasants to be repaid.”
Infuriated, the king screams the order to behead Hong instantly, and soldiers comply by drawing their swords. Yeong jumps to his feet and begs the king to rescind his order. All eyes turn to them as Yeong presses his father to calm down, telling him that the sentence can be decided after the interrogation is completed. The king looks around uncertainly, out of his depth.
Prime Minister Kim interjects to say that Yeong has a different reason, and chides him for showing his emotions at an official interrogation of a state criminal. Then he announces that rumors are rampant that the prince has been secretly communicating with the traitor’s daughter.
This is news to many, including the king, who demands an explanation. The prime minister asks Yeong to confirm or deny the rumor.
That’s when the prime minister orders Ra-on brought in. She’s dragged to the center of the proceedings to kneel by her father, and the prime minister identifies her as the daughter in question. Prime Minister Kim demands an answer out of Yeong: Was this the spy, and did he harbor her because he was in love with her?
Hong Kyung-rae insists that the court hold him accountable for his crimes, not her, because he has never properly even met the girl, who has nothing to do with any of this.
Prime Minister Kim tells Yeong to prove that he did not conspire with the rebels—by slashing Ra-on’s throat right now.
All this while, Yeong has remained silent, trapped by his position and unsure how to save anyone. He’s frozen in his dilemma while the king barks at him to act, and when Yeong doesn’t reply, the king orders his men to strike anyway.
As the soldiers swing into action, all time slows down as everyone—Yeong, Byung-yeon, Eunuch Han, Ra-on—looks on helplessly. Sound fades away, and Ra-on thinks, addressing Yeong, “From this moment, do not love me. Please remember me only as a traitor’s daughter. I do not wish to leave you with the terrible anguish of not being able to protect the woman you love.”
Yeong clenches his fist, and Ra-on closes her eyes. The soldier raises his sword…
Yeong grabs for Byung-yeon’s sword to intervene, but he only gets it halfway out its sheath before something else happens—suddenly half of the soldiers turn on their own, cutting them down from behind. Aha, they must be the rebels, and the scene erupts into a loud clash that soon stalls in impasse.
Soldiers and rebels face off, swords drawn. It’s a little difficult knowing who’s on which side, and Yeong looks confused as he tries to make sense of things.
Byung-yeon positions himself in front of the prince protectively, sword drawn and facing the others, but as the impasse stretches on, a flurry of expressions fly across his conflicted face.
Finally, with a reluctant grimace, he whirls around—and holds his sword to Yeong’s neck. Mouths drop in shock.
Byung-yeon orders everybody to stand down if they want to save the prince’s life.
Yeong stares at his friend, struggling to register his betrayal. “Byung-yeon-ah,” he says.
COMMENTS
Nooooo, Byung-yeon, don’t you go breaking my heart too! *sniff* *choke* *wails* Life is hard enough without you turning on each other!
I do follow Byung-yeon in this moment, since the show has been building up this internal conflict for a long time, showing Byung-yeon caught between his loyalties to the cause and to his friend. It hurts not only because it’s a betrayal of Yeong, but because we had seen that all series long, when pressed Byung-yeon always chose the prince—not necessarily over the cause, but he seemed to be willing to compromise in the little moments. I do respect that unflinching lack of compromise displayed by men like Hong Kyung-rae and Head Eunuch Han, because great change needs leaders to hold steady and make sacrifices along the way, but I never saw Byung-yeon as that kind of person. I saw him more as the alternate version of Dad that Ra-on and her mother longed for, the man who could believe noble thoughts but live for his family’s happiness.
So it’s a meaningful shift to have him reach that rock-and-a-hard-place moment, and finally have to choose, and I can respect that he picked the cause despite looking a little like he hated himself for it. I do wish the show had spent a little more time building up Byung-yeon’s thought process so that this final switch had a little more narrative momentum, because while I understand intellectually exactly what happened, I didn’t really know why it happened now. It would have landed with more impact if something had happened to demonstrate just why he had to divorce himself from the idea that the prince was his friend; his traitor boss reminded him of that yesterday, but I didn’t really feel why that was true. I wish the show had pitted him in direct ideological conflict with Yeong, or forced his hand a different way that explained why he made this choice in this moment. Basically, if you’re going to rip my heart out, I want you to really do it good and proper—why leave it bruised when you could leave it shredded and bleeding?
(I’m still holding out for a last-minute revelation in the next episode to show us a twist, but for now, there’s nothing to do but go with what the show has shown us. My hope is alive, but knows better than to get too confident.)
I was dearly hoping today’s episode would be the turnaround that I was dying for, but found myself disappointed again by episode’s end. It’s not that the show logic-failed on me, or had characters acting out of character, or went off the rails—nothing so dire as that. But today kind of felt like every Episode 16 of every Joseon fusiony sageuk I’ve seen in the past six or seven years, and as such felt extremely paint-by-numbers: political machinations, claims of treason, noble victims, torture, prison, tribunals and interrogations and gloaty ministers. Basically, it made this drama feel ordinary, without the magic that has made this show so special in prior weeks.
That doesn’t mean this show has suddenly become bad, and as ever, the strong directorial hand really elevates things. The moment when all goes silent as Ra-on braces for death, and the vocals start in without instrumentation—that was a spine-tingly great beat. Any moment that hinged on strong emotional acting was well-executed (even when I didn’t like what was necessarily happening plotwise). Hong Kyung-rae’s righteous defense in the torture chair was another highlight, and part of why it was so effective for me was that it was a melding of the personal and the political, which is the best kind of political. (The rest of the political maneuvering was cold and strategic, and thus less compelling.) And it was definitely encouraging that Yeong found a common ground that nobody else could see, providing hope that where swords and coups and plots fail, his brains might succeed in finding a solution.
But even so, I feel like the dip is distinct and disappointing because the she show has spoiled me by always delivering at least one really rewarding emotional exchange or development per episode. It doesn’t matter if that gratification is happy or sad, since sadness can pull the heartstrings effectively when done well, but today it started feeling like we were spinning our wheels a bit. And I involuntarily laughed out loud when Yeong and Ra-on ran into each other again, despite the epic, tearful, final goodbyes they’d already exchanged multiple times. (Speaking of comical repetition, must we have Ra-on abducted from behind in every other episode? I love this girl as a person, but I am getting mighty exasperated with her role as a character; her narrative purpose has suffered greatly as the show has progressed, and now her narrative function is almost only ever bait, trap, or object of affection. I just want her to do something active again. I would even prefer her doing something careless or dangerous to doing nothing and getting bounced around as plot device, although really, those can’t be our only choices. Resourceful, witty, sly, stealthy, helpful—any of those things are vastly preferable.)
I’m bummed that this week killed some of that extra something special in my heart, because without that bit of magic, I feel like all the little flaws suddenly seem more jarring, more noticeable. There’s a Korean saying about how being in love is like having bean chaff lodged in your eyes, i.e., blinders on to flaws, and I feel like something this week pushed me past the tipping point and shook the bean chaff away, and it’s changed the way I look at the show a bit. I’m still clinging to my hopes as we head into the final week, because we’re so close to the end and I’d rather be optimistic about it reaching a satisfying conclusion. I’m looking forward to that happy ending we’re totally getting next week, where Yeong and Ra-on live blissfully together forever and the bad guys are punished and all of the happy relationships are restored. I will accept no other realities.
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51 Sadso
October 11, 2016 at 10:08 PM
Probably in the minority here and please don't kill me but they should just rename this show staring by the moonlight. Lately all I see is Ra On and the crown prince making moony conflicted eyes at each other and while I find this really great chemistry from them before, it just hasn't been working at all lately.
I think my real issue with this show is balance. Not that it didn't include a lot of the politics before but the first 12 or so episodes were so heavy on romance and these newer ones are so heavy on the politics (with not the fact that the romance took a back seat being the problem, but that it's just monotonous ie Crown Prince and Ra On meeting and staring at each other while on the brink of crying like all the time). So lately I fast forward through the episodes:(
I'm hoping the show gets its act together soon because I want to love it so so badly again. Either ways, thanks for the fun ride in the first little bit show, will still love you^o^
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 1:48 AM
I think it's sad that they certainly lost a little balance in this week's episodes. I mean we were served great episodes for 7 weeks straight, so when this week fell off balance, everyone jump at the chance to criticize. I don't necessarily think the past 12 episodes were heavy on romance, but they were heavy on meaningful exchange and sweet little moments, which was magical, but we haven't seen a glimpse of that in recent episodes.
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Wanne
October 12, 2016 at 8:41 AM
I find the conversation between CP and RO, CP and HGN meaningful in this episode. Its just that they decide to continue the momentum up as plot thickens towards the end of the drama. The earlies episodes were more on the romance development and revelation of CP's ideals with problems in the back of everyone's mind including us viewers. We were ignoring it because we wanted to treasure the romance. Now that they have no choice but to face the problem, there's no way things could be like it used to before their problems end.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 10:21 AM
Ah yeah, the conversations between Yeong and Ra-on, Ra-on and her father were all meaningful, but quite forgettable in the midst of heavy political machinations. I'm not saying this episode is bad, I'm saying it lost a little bit of it's enchanting factor.
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52 Elle
October 11, 2016 at 10:14 PM
Thoughts about this episode:
-I was surprised at HGN being caught so quickly. Do they still have wanted posters of him pasted around the city? But I think I'm at peace with his return in general. He's a reflection of the King. Both he and the King had good intentions for the country, but he was steady and courageous and the King was, well, not. I think Yeong was able to see this too when he sought the guy for advice. He knew there would be no help coming from his father.
-I know the majority here wanted a more badass/proactive/brave Ra-on, but I personally felt that she displayed great courage when she re-entered the palace just to see her father for the first time. Girl has always longed for family, and she took the chance even though the risk was great. If that's not brave, I don't know what is.
-I do think the show overplayed the Ra-on-getting-in-harm's-way card a bit, but this was THE episode where she needed to be captured and her life put at risk. It's a nightmare come true for her, to be captured and her beloved implicated. The show had been building up to this situation for a while now, and that scene was just so tense! Once again, I applaud everyone involved in this show for a job well done.
-Ra-on-ah, aren't you a little short for a palace guard?
-The romance. I love our OTP, and I love their deep understanding of each other. And the eye acting! It has always been one of the strengths of PBG and KYJ, and it was used to devastating effect during the interrogation scene. He understood her perfectly when she was silently pleading with him to let her die as a traitor's daughter and not as her lover. I have never seen an OTP with such a deep fundamental understanding of each other (knife scene included!).
-Kim Hyung's betrayal broke my heart precisely because it wasn't. I don't think it was. He would have helped HGN and the rebels out without letting Yeong know, but events forced his hand. He was clearly doing some quick thinking before he decided to draw his sword against Yeong. He would be able to help the rebels and Ra-on escape, and shift the treason/conspiracy charges from Yeong to himself.
-I do hope we see Yeong team up with Yoon-sung next episode to bring Kim Hyung and Ra-on back (after they inevitable escape into the woods or wherever). And bring Master Jung! I've been missing the guy not for his romance with Princess Myeong-eun but for his gift for strategy. His camouflage outfit will come in handy
-The King majorly fails at fatherhood and kingship. He should abdicate and spend the rest of his days meditating in a temple.
-Yoon-sung is a Kim, alright. Blackmailing the Queen using her child was all sorts of wrong, but I'm cheering him on!
-I am a little worried about how they'll bring about the downfall of the Kims. It should be starting by now, but they're still as strong as ever.
I am rewatching now, but I think my initial like for this episode is growing into love. It's a...
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Elle
October 11, 2016 at 10:36 PM
... necessary episode, but it's one that has been in the cards for a while now. And I think it was beautifully executed.
An additional note:
-How fitting is it that PBG's My Person played over the closing credits? Kim Hyung was Yeong's person as well.
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kakakash
October 12, 2016 at 7:54 AM
Should have read your comment earlier on. I agree with all your points. I agree that Raon showed immense bravery in wanting to meet her father. I mean yes, her attitude, as some mentioned, could have been more upbeat. But really, her mother had just collapsed from shock and her father whom she just found out was alive just captures. We can keep comparing her energy level to the Prince's and expecting her to act with more rigor, yet I think we must remember unlike Yeong, Raon was never in a position of power and has always been in the lowest end to offer help, even to herself. I have seen people deal with real-life stress, and it is not easy to always be happy-go-lucky and cheerful or recklessly brave. Idk. This was indeed a very necessary episode beautifully executed.
I dont believe they'll be bringing down all the Kims...historically they dont, right? Anyway history aside, it would make sense for the drama to show the Kims significantly weakened but not entirely weakened, in my opinion. But hey, public demand for a happy ending tied with a bow may win out. Either way, I'm loving even these dark parts about this show.
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Elle
October 13, 2016 at 2:50 AM
I think it's impossible to remove the Andong Kim clan entirely from court, but Ministers Dumb and Dumber should definitely be in trouble by now. Kim Heon's historical counterpart was exiled, but I think that happened post-Hyomyeong...
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kakakash
October 13, 2016 at 10:25 AM
Ahhh I see...
I can't wait till next Monday and Tuesday!
lizzieb
October 11, 2016 at 10:59 PM
Was watching with my mom, and she thought that HGN himself probably tipped the palace off about him being alive to spare his daughter. I guess he also just wanted to see mother and daughter one last time before he physically surrendered.
I agree Ra On was brave, although Eunuch Han definitely could have thought first to protect her and assure her with his plans to free HGN from the palace and maybe they could have reunited then.
Eunuch might have plans of his own too, like maybe he precisely wanted Ra On there to witness the persecution and ignite something in her to help their cause. Maybe it's a plot hole. We shall see.
But ultimately I understood how badly she wanted to see Dad no matter the danger. I mean even Yeong said exactly that, and I didn't expect anything else but understanding coming from him. I mean this is YeongOn we're talking about. ❤️
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Elle
October 11, 2016 at 11:57 PM
YeongOn is love!
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 12:44 AM
^ YeongOn is forever love!
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Luna
October 12, 2016 at 6:29 PM
YeongOn is life
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Wanne
October 12, 2016 at 8:47 AM
Elle, i thought the people came to catch RO. They didnt know about HGN still alive. But HGN sacrificed himself then to protect his wife and RO.
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Wanne
October 12, 2016 at 8:55 AM
I mean i agree with alsf and Elle above that its more about viewers preference instead of quality that caused disappointment to some people.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 7:21 PM
Perhaps that's what happened? I'm not so sure...
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C-chan
October 17, 2016 at 7:59 AM
OH MY GOD YES, THANK YOU.
'He’s (HGN) a reflection of the King.'
If Yeong is the contrast, then HGN is the reflection. I think one of the reasons that the King cannot let go of HGN's spectre for the past ten years is not necessarily just because of fear, but because of failure. He failed as a King. I remember that scene where ghosts of his dead people came to terrorise him in his nightmares. They were farmers, ordinary guys, and yet they'd died partly because of the King's failure to curb corruption or rise above it and give his people their due. There's terror in his eyes, but there's also shame. It's even there, ever so subtly, whenever he looks at the CP. He never shows a smooth, carefree face when he talks with the CP and it's because he's failed, yet again, to be the father and King that Yeong literally asked him to be.
Ra On was foolish, there's no doubt about it, but when has foolishness ever stopped anyone from rushing headlong into danger when it means you can finally meet the person that has shaped your entire life even in his absence?
It's another parallel that I love between Ra On and Yeong: their mothers and their fathers, but mixed. For me, Ra On's mother is like Yeong's father, scared and hiding, forcing their children to take on roles they're not meant to. But while the former is to protect Ra On, the King has a more muddled perception than just protection. Yeong's mother and Ra On's father are forward-thinkers, the world-changers; but while the Queen changed Yeong's world for the better (and then worse when she died), HGN changed the world first for the worse and then Ra On's by consequence.
For Byung Yeon, sigh, I was fully expecting him to choose the rebels. Yes, he's helped the Crown Prince, but it's what he does AFTER those moments is what defined him for me in this show. I actually like Yoon-sung more in this episode because he's finally stepping up and telling his family that nope, THIS is my limit (and laughing because he used family tactics to overcome said family). I actually think it was switching the babies and the possible murder of his niece that made him decide to actually say to his Grandfather that he's going to write his own story, thanks, it'll be a bigger bestseller than what you're writing for me even knowing (probably) that his Grandfather has nothing to do with the baby switch. Byung Yeon has always seesawed between the rebels and the Prince, and no matter how conflicted he might be that he's betraying his friend, he still chooses to betray him.
It was an interesting moment between HGN and CP before the torture. They've already started a discourse between them, and Yeong is ever sincere and wonderful in trying to build bridges instead of burning them, and it makes you wonder: if Yeong had been King during the rebellion, would it have happened in the first place or would peace talks have been started?
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C-chan
October 17, 2016 at 8:10 AM
I actually really do love this episode, warts and all. They've been so good with editing and music, as usual, and the cinematography - when backgrounds just highlights even more the situation - is just spot on as usual. The scenes where HGN and CP are separated by the prison door, the fluidity of Yeong and Ra On missing each other by mere seconds as one hides and the other heads to the prison, the guards rushing down opposing hallways and then converging in the bridge, focusing on that candle and then fading to black, the Queen trembling so much in equal parts fury and fear that her hair ornaments are swinging, our villains and heroes walking in slight slow motion towards the torture grounds...I find all of them gorgeous and really, really effective.
Ah. Yes. In the last scene, I remember thinking when Byung Yeon raised his sword against Yeong (aside from NOOOOOOOOOO WHAAATTTT NOOOOOO) is that he's partially doing it because he wants to show everyone that Yeong is not part of the rebellion, and he's never been part of it, by threatening his life to free the real rebels.
And the thing I've learned from this show is that if you're name is not His Royal Highness Lee Yeong, then you're backstory is most likely going to happen in a flashback after the fact.
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53 seares
October 11, 2016 at 10:20 PM
This week indeed lacks that something extra
- Ra On's strugge to sent Lee Yeong off became futile because of his father appearance.
- Yoon Sung used his ace card to protect Ra On but she still got captured.
- Byung Yeong was burdened by all secrets but in the end he still picked shortest stick.
That's why I feel like other than Lee Yeong everyone else is doomed, it's not helping he will blame himself if anything happens to those people.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 10:23 AM
Just because you have a good card on your hand, doesn't mean you can get the upper hand. They all fall short of being short-sighted, they only focus on solving the problems for now.
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54 alsf
October 11, 2016 at 10:21 PM
I agree with several others that BY didn't necessarily chose the rebels, but chose the best path out to help/satisfy everyone (in his opinion.) He would have noticed CP going for his sword before the rebels unveiled himself, he knows how the couple feels for each other, and he knows that threatening the CP is one way to potentially get enough space to escape the palace. Plus, he's pro Ra On & rebels. I read his facial expression as accepting the emotional consequences if CP doesn't understand.
And I hope our often emotionally astute CP will come to see it that way too, and not as a betrayal for the rebellion.
As for show love, I am not sure how you satisfactorily evolve a show from an early, giddy, romcom (epi 1-3) to the grim realities of star crossed lovers. If what appealed to you were the expressive antics, then how could you love the melo as much? I don't, I miss the expressiveness and energy, but I am not sure that is a dip in show quality as much as preference.
I really miss Ran On being her spunky, resourceful self, but in some ways she is being true to form. We saw in the beginning that she goes along, gets along, and leverages the situation to survive. The stakes have gotten much higher, but she is still exhibiting go along get along, while trying to leverage to get her way. She just seems to be doing it so. much. more. dependently and joylessly. I don't know if that is a reality of the stakes being higher (it's not just her life on the line anymore), or if because now there are people around to actually help her.
I remain enthralled, but I miss the early episodes of joy and emotions. I will continue to LONG for the prime minister's comeuppance and the King's disappearance.
Finally, thank you JB & commentators for helping me understand some of the nuance for what the characters are trying to express.
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Elle
October 11, 2016 at 10:40 PM
THIS. It's not so much a dip in the quality but a viewer preference, hence the disappointment.
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Tina
October 12, 2016 at 12:09 AM
*nods*
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TruBlue
October 12, 2016 at 6:37 AM
Agree!
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alsf
October 11, 2016 at 11:50 PM
Ooh, and I liked that the show has shown YS's path from disaffected heir to fully break from the prime minister. He may not be (yet) integral to the end scene, but I think we see that he's done with Gramps. He is not going to put power above all else.
That kind of gives me hope for BROMANCE. He's now seen the blatant sacrifice of two innocents, and the disregard for his own wishes. Go team sexy threesome!
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Elle
October 11, 2016 at 11:54 PM
Yeong and Yoon-sung better be on a bromantic rescue mission next episode.
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Wanne
October 12, 2016 at 8:49 AM
Agree with you!
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mashimomo
October 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM
Thank you - this is exactly what I feel as well. I am missing the earlier episode's joy and just buzzed feelings but what happened this week is definitely not a step back nor a dip in quality. This was a necessary step in everyone's journey now knowing what realities they face (Yeong and Raon's seemingly ill-fated love, Yoon Sung's break from his family, Byung-yeon's allegiances). I'm just hoping for a satisfying finish for everyone and that it happens in an epic fashion.
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C-chan
October 17, 2016 at 8:28 AM
This to infinity.
I'm a very critical watcher. Once I find something that doesn't gel, logically or emotionally, in the show (be it plot, characters, progression, mood, etc), then I just drop it like a red hot poker. But this show, plot holes and all, just makes me cling even more tightly because it hits every single one of my buttons: abundance of romance, bits of politics and philosophy, an awesome male character with an awesome female character, an awesome second female character, and plot that does not choke the living daylights out of you every freaking episode. I've always believed that people grow up out of joy too, not just heartbreak, and there should be a good balance of both.
Although I agree that Ra On's character has dipped a bit in assertiveness, it's more towards a certain way of assertiveness, like actively fighting out of situations where it's either prison or death. What I don't agree on, mostly, is when I read that her spunkiness reached a highlight when she outwitted that drunken quasi-surgeon. Yes, she did, hilariously...but he was an alcoholic and getting even drunker. Not exactly a big leap to try and get the dude even more crazy drunk. I think, actually, her bravery and assertiveness were most evident when she decided to stay in the palace because that took a lot of guts, after being treated so harshly already, and that she didn't treat the CP any differently after finding out his real identity. Also, the dancing scene. The puppets. Helping the little princess. And more recently, leaving the Prince. Trying to keep the Prince away. I think her character has become more active emotionally rather than situationally, which is a reversal from the earlier Ra On.
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55 Pam
October 11, 2016 at 10:28 PM
Agree With some of you
RO is stupid , passive character for last few episodes
Crying ,not thinking ,awaiting for help ........
RO character is more interesting if she is more active
smarter in control her situation , changing the world with CP
So she can help CP not sacrifice his bodyguard
The smart character is young Kim
See if he can turn this situation around
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Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 3:39 AM
I'm sorry that I have to deny that ra-on is stupid,
she is not passive cause she chooses to leave,
she is crying when she is sad and that's not for praise, she just sad
she is thinking, that's how he makes her decision to leave, to visit her father at the last time
she didn't awaiting for help, she didn't make those problem, all those people attack her because of yeong and their relationship and she want's to cut it off
she can't control a situation when she is drowning and tied to the crown prince, she just a girl that is wanted,
what she need to do??
I knew she hurt Yeong's heart but does yeong has the solution?
is romance the only things that matter?
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56 Will
October 11, 2016 at 10:41 PM
All the same, so much of "Scarlet Heart: Ryeo" is so unavoidably silly it's hard to take anything that happens in the story very seriously. Which is a shame because Soo has finally landed an essential role in the royal intrigues, taking an active part in information gathering, planning, and hopefully, actual execution of whatever the final objective ends up being. Even if Soo is not necessarily competent or logical in these actions, the fact that she's trying goes a long way.
It's probably not going to be enough though. One of the major existential problems with "Scarlet Heart: Ryeo" is that Goryeo itself as a concept is not especially well-defined. It's difficult to get invested in the royal intrigues when anyone who ever gets anywhere near the throne is either moderately stupid or explicitly evil. Way back during the whole rain ritual, there was decent discussion of the role a monarch must play for his subjects. But now? It just doesn't seem to matter.
Review by William Schwartz - Han Cinema,
Agree, everything become cliche and I have to stay watched because I already watched 16 ep and I got nothing to do,
I don't believe this is highly rated and popular,
should have just marathoned it and it still didn't make sense
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Elle
October 11, 2016 at 11:01 PM
Ummmm... Did you just comment in the wrong article?
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57 Khilda
October 11, 2016 at 11:01 PM
I think that the best decision for BY to hostage CP. If BY didn't do that, whatever CP answer will have doubt that he is related to the rebel. so, CP become hostage of rebel, than that's solved the PM question, CP on the different side with rebellion.
my note: don't resent RO that much, try to understand her point of view, and match it with whole situation. You will know that the best thing writer can do about the character. She is not selfish or whatever the majority say.
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58 fan
October 11, 2016 at 11:05 PM
i think this drama was getting boring ! it start off really good... but once she reunion with the mother it get really bored!
this should have been a 16 episode drama would be perfect
if its not for the actor and actress i think it would not get such high ratings!
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59 Elle
October 11, 2016 at 11:14 PM
In other Moonlight news:
FANSIGNING ON THE 19TH!!!!!
But unfortunately only 200 people are allowed in. I wanted to see PBG and KYJ and the others so much.... *pouts and sulks*
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maryxiah
October 11, 2016 at 11:48 PM
Bah! Only 200?! They've like millions of fans! But I kinda get it, the situation/security would be so out of control if they allowed everyone and who knows how long they'd have to sign if they allowed everyone in. *pouts and sulks too*
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Elle
October 11, 2016 at 11:52 PM
The good news is I'm in Korea and will be able to squee, probably while standing outside the venue.
The bad news is that I won't be able to see them!!!
And yes, only 200 fans chosen via lottery. FML
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 12:31 AM
Elle, bring a portable mic and scream out "seja jeoha" for me, lol! Gosh, I wish I'm in Korea or Cebu, I want to see them so bad, and this is a first for me. I've never been so taken by drama casts before.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 1:18 AM
It's killing me that they'll be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO close but not close enough!!!!!!
JEOHA!!!!!
celine
October 12, 2016 at 2:48 AM
I read that CSB will not be there. Kinda sad. I would love to see all of them together for the last time. Also kinda sad that CSB does not get that much attention. I mean tons of articles have been written about PBG and KYJ obviously. And there were also quite a lot for Jinyoung and now because of Episode 16, KDY is making headlines too. I think CSB as Hayeon is good. I totally feel for her. Maybe in the future (years after Moonlight) there could be a drama with PBG and CSB as leads. hihi!
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 3:11 AM
I'm personally rooting for Jinyoung and CSB.
Isn't she joining the Cebu trip though? But I also want her to be in the fanmeet!
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globetrotter
October 12, 2016 at 5:12 AM
Word is Chae Soo-bin won't be attending the fansign (and likely the Cebu trip) because her play, Blackbird, opens this week or the next. But yeah, kinda sad she did not get that much attention in the headlines.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 6:25 AM
Dang.
But rooting for her on her next project!
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60 Wanne
October 11, 2016 at 11:19 PM
Thank you Javabeans. Its sad to hear that this week dissappointed you so much. I haven't watched the episodes yet. But actually, i expected the quality of this drama to decrease towards the end due to live shooting. I was amazed that they still managed to come out with amazing episodes last week. For them to shower us with 14 great episodes, i'm very satisfied and thankful already and will remember this drama fondly. Had they have more time, i'm sure they want to do better. Reading about the situation they are in, i pity them. I guess i come to love the people behind this drama more than the drama itself. Hope they have a great vacation together once this ends as they very much deserve it!
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Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 1:18 AM
I think it still good, it just sad
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 2:43 AM
THIS
It's a solid pair of episodes, but if you're put off by angst and drama you might be better off waiting until the show's done before watching the last four episodes.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 3:10 AM
I truly am amazed with the cast and crew. Their schedule is super tight yet they still deliver good episodes. From my perspective though, I think these recent episodes are tiny bit less stellar than the first few ones. I re-watch over the week the older episodes and noticed that they felt more relaxed (not the story but the feel of the episode if that makes sense hihi). Each scenes linger more than what we see in the recent ones. And I believe it has something to do with the live-shooting catching up on them. I wish for everyone to make it through until the very end.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 10:45 AM
One more week! Let's pray and hope they can get through this without anyone falling sick or anything, they still have to go to that company's trip, yay!
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61 alsf
October 11, 2016 at 11:28 PM
I did loved that Ra On was willing to talk to her father in front of CP, with all the emotional vulnerability. Plus, he got the quiet demonstration that fears of RaOn + rebellion are unfounded.
They're so emotionally bare with each other it gives me the shivers.
And I enjoyed YS and the queen; the actress had done well, plus she is having to readjust get ideas of who/where power comes from. It showed her simple sophistication (if you will).
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62 kakakash
October 11, 2016 at 11:31 PM
I respect your critical view of this episode. That this episode didnt have that progression on Raon and Yeong's relationship I agree with...that most of the political stuff (aside from Yeong's and Raon's father's inputs and conversations) was cold and uninteresting too I understand...perhaps its because you've seen so many sageuks and Moonlight has demonstrated characters acting with such integrity and competence, your expectations were really high. I dont know...I feel at some point in the story, shit gets down and ugly...no matter how beautiful and happy it was in the beginning. I totally understand your view as a critic, analysing each episode for its standalone worth and whether it has been able to relate and deliver its story in the most effective and engaging way. Yet this episode, like episode 15, still didnt disappoint me as a whole. That Raon and Yeong's relationship didnt really go anywhere this episode...and was almost awkward when he first met her in Jahyeondang after that parting with the knife scene...it was believable...so it didnt let me down. I can't expect these characters to put down strong footing all the time in impossible situations.
I just...as a psychology freak who has made it her hobby to analyze and adore people for all of their parts with their strengths and flaws, I can't be disappointed when a drama shows us people's flaws. Raon's usefulness may seem only to serve to be captured and used as bait or being the damsel in constant need of her knights...but her powerlessness in this hopeless world is displayed here. Unlike Cinderella, I feel she has demonstrated immense resilience and wit and humour throughout. But now the show has made it so that the stakes are really high and the Kims are coming down really hard. I know in an ideal situation, one would be the icon of strength or beacon of hope or even display reckless energy like you put it...but the fact that this drama shows us the realistic alternative...where a character is merely hopelessly lost in a hopeless situation doesnt disappoint me...so long as this drama shows it to me a beautiful and believable way, which it did.
Which is why while I was disappointed with Raon's decision in episode 15 to pull the knife on Yeong, I wasnt disappointed in the drama for showing us that. Perhaps it was typical of it to show this weakness in such a typical kdrama noble-idiocy fashion, but given we had the build-up from earlier on where Chief Eunuch Han encourages her to cut the string, I wasnt surprised she came to a solution that was inherently wrong and dishonest. I don't know...I guess my point is, disappointing actions by characters in a show I love, especially by my favourite characters, does not weaken the show's impact or competence for me. If delivered effectively, it in fact heightens it.
As always, thank you for your fast and detailed review and opinions Javabeans!
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Riss
October 12, 2016 at 12:10 AM
I like your comment. I'm with you in that the expectation for this show, that has been nothing but perfect, is to seemingly show no flaws. And that those flaws are what makes us relate to the characters. And since you mentioned being a psychology buff, isn't interesting that the population in general still seek the perfect fairy tale. Even though in our human history, it's been reiterated that there's no such thing. We can only hope.
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kakakash
October 12, 2016 at 1:02 AM
I knoww eh! I was going to mention that too but my comment was reaching its word limit...
I totally dont expect or even want a fairy-tale happy ending. I mean I understand its appeal, but its totally not realistic at this point. I would be seriously impressed with a bittersweet or even sad ending that delivers (and maybe even matches the historical records on the major points) teehee
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UrsulaX
October 13, 2016 at 4:42 PM
I liked your comment, too. I’m not sure what people expect Raon to do. She’s not in a position in which she has any real power. Although powerful factions want to use her, she is more of a symbol to them than someone with any real agency. If anything, I could understand criticism of the prince, who is acting regent. I keep hoping he will join forces with his bodyguard and the younger Kim to thwart their paranoid, backstabbing elders, but his current limitations are believable, too. I want to believe that a happy resolution in the political sphere (one in which the annoying minister loses some power, at the very least) is more plausible than a happy ending in which, say, Ra On marries the crown prince, but history suggests otherwise. The comic book world allows the crown prince an out via subterfuge: his early death in history could become his early escape to live a life of relative anonymity with Ra On. To me, though, that could be equally depressing, since the Kim clan and Queen Sunwon remained powerful after his death. On the other hand, we know of at least one Kim and a future queen (don’t hate Ra On’s rival, folks) who represent a more hopeful future.
Personally, I find the politics more aggravating than boring. I’m actually invested in what happens to the Kims and the kingdom. I think it would be remiss of the series to ignore why Hong Gyeong Nae rebelled and the dysfunction that led him there, just as it would be silly to pretend the characters could do as they pleased. To me, the limitations and frustrations of the time make their story more interesting. If I had any complaints, I would argue that some of the romantic scenes are a bit slow and redundant, but I guess I am in the minority. I find the sentimentality occasionally cloying, though I like the leads. At any rate, I find it strange when people complain that the plot detracts from the story. Am I the only one who seriously wants a better government for these characters, even if it doesn’t result in domestic bliss for the main couple? I doubt I will get it. I have a vague sense of the history (thanks to Wikipedia and a few other online sources), but it’s still interesting (to me, anyway) to see doomed characters show sparks of ingenuity when the cards are stacked against them. There is also hope that the comic/series could spin history in such a way that certain unhappy fates remain in the future while others are fundamentally altered to allow characters to travel along different, undocumented trajectories.
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maryxiah
October 15, 2016 at 12:37 AM
I don't think anyone of us here want Ra-on to do anything outrageous or to suddenly break away from character. It's just that I am getting frustrated by the circumstances she's often in, like she serves no real purpose other than being a plot device to create conflicts. I miss her spunky self that was prominent in earlier episodes. I get that she has no real control over the situation she's in, but I want to see her real self despite of all these disheartening circumstances. And I think I find issue in her lack of facial nuances too.
I think most of us here, at least I do, want a better government for these characters too, because we've been there with them and we understood their desperation and motives. And I hope to see Yeong become the king that that he aspires to be, wise and understand the need of his people. But I don't want to lose sight of the very reason why I watch this and root for it in the first place, it's for the OTP's happy ending.
My problem with the recent episodes is not on the focus of politics machination, because I get that we're at the point where we need to confront and redress the issue, instead of skirting around and focus solely on the OTP. My problem is the writers setting up too much conflicts to be resolved in the last 2 episodes, cramming so much unnecessary stuff like Hong Kyung-rae's revival, because my worry now is that we won't have much time to cover all and get a satisfactory ending for the OTP. :/
redfox
October 12, 2016 at 12:52 AM
where is the little princess and will she talk? it was the Kims who killed the queen! it has tocome to play!
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kakakash
October 12, 2016 at 1:05 AM
I knowww I eagerly await the little princess's revelations!!!
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Kendi
October 12, 2016 at 2:59 AM
Maybe she will talk after seeing RO in danger of being executed?
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Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 1:00 AM
I like the character to be seen at their lowest point because I find it needed. No one can be perfect and always win.
I don't really like one tonne of always sad or always happy, even always be underdog or keep winning, it is quite unbelievable for a drama,
This drama is not flawless from the start since I literally watch this in from week 1.
Funnily I don't think I need to mention the flaw because it wasn't specified on the story but more on the emotional side, or it just not bothering in the objective view, there's nothing to really picked on that would change the story. Probably changed the audience acceptance but I like the flaw in the character since it has consistency.
Just like this week and the last week episode ,this heartbreaking cliffhanger is very different that what the show used to do. It feels different and raised the question like
why they can't be happy like before?
this is a drama after all?
and my answer lies in the question,
the drama needs a certain part of the realism and this is a drama with real people emotion, we can't be happy all the time and then others gonna come and said the drama is all fluffy and idealise romance in the end of drama's review.
I mention this on the yesterday recap that they purposely make the sadness in slow motion and longer than the pursuit of happiness moment to give the bigger impact, this is the ultimate sadness they want to show.
It probably too much for some people and I gets it but if we go back from the early episodes, there's too much happiness so how can we forget that they already give us the happiness and we only have 2 more episode.
If you marathon Moonlight, it literally just the next 2 hours.
Ep 18 probably happy since it's the end,
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kakakash
October 12, 2016 at 1:18 AM
I agree with you on that the character(s)'s flaws HAD to have been shown, one way or another, because people are not perfect. I also agree, if I understood you correctly, that no matter whose flaws were shown or how they showed them would not have made a difference save for the viewers' opinions on the matter. The flaws were believable to me, because like you said they had consistency.
And Sancheezy I couldn't have put it better myself; the sadness seems all piled up together in the end because we had witnessed happiness for so long. When I think about the lives of the people I know and care about...there is no pattern or rhyme to when events hit you or when happiness is bestowed upon you. Whatever your beliefs, we can all agree that it just happens. One would never anticipate horrid events happening to/with oneself until they hit...those I believe are the wisest who admit that they would not know themselves when it comes down to life threatening situations.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 3:20 AM
I may not like everything about how things went down, but I like how the conflict here is very real. I like that instead of having just two sides, we have three. And making Raon the daughter of a rebel leader who was against monarchy makes the conflict real. It was not just about a girl who deceived the people for being a eunuch, but her story tied with something bigger. I like that it's not simply about different sides wanting the throne, but we got to explore the theme of what makes a good leader/what it means to be a King. And I just love Yeong's journey of learning and maturing in his role as the Crown Prince.
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kakakash
October 12, 2016 at 10:39 AM
Yes its unfortunate that the high stakes in this show along with the tradition of kdramas to throw in noble-idiocy at some point in a romance which so happened here that people are now frustrated with this. But this drama has really shown a strong shift in avoiding the general needless angst we see in other dramas, so hopefully this will help contribute toward that shift in creating more positive, rational, capable characters in korean dramas who can serve as role models for viewers.
Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 3:51 AM
>>if I understood you correctly, that no matter whose flaws were shown or how they showed them would not have made a difference save for the viewers’ opinions on the matter <<
yeah . . . ^^
the flaw will not change the plot,
had ra-on agree with yeong, her father still gonna get captured and she'll gonna visits him in the jail.
had she didn't leave that morning, she would have escaped by others help cause she needs to leave the palace, for safety reason,
as I remember in the novel, Yeong hides her with Byeong Yeon protection,
and if this is known by the kims, young will be in the same position as this episode
the difference is , most the audience would still be all cherry blossom if ra-on didn't insist on leaving and the love still strong as ever, (I think most of the audience love the couple so much and too much crying makes it weird) especially if you marathon the happy episode,
but there's gonna be another opinion resurge, as the example,
- the drama is all fluff
- yeong's love is unrealistic
- love conquer all and ra-on just give it up to love
- there's no realism or stake to the death in the drama, too good to be true
there is hardly middle ground but at least IMO they make what ra-on say comes true,
that Yeong can't choose her or save her when they come to the final moment,
when people confronted him using her, it's not about love anymore,
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kakakash
October 12, 2016 at 10:41 AM
True and agreed Sancheezy
TrueBlue
October 12, 2016 at 6:44 AM
I am a huge fan of Asian dramas (HK, Taiwanese, Chinese and of course Korean). Through many years of watching dramas, I have come to a few realization about dramas. Korean drama viewers, or at least a segment of Korean drama viewers, hate angst and conflicts. There is a very strong preference for sweet love and strong, perfect characters. Whereas I grew up watching KH and Chinese dramas (very long dramas) where the entire show is nothing but political back-stabbing and the characters are imperfect but still worth rooting for. So I totally get your comment.
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kakakash
October 12, 2016 at 10:34 AM
I have never watched anything but Kdramas, but having seen quite a lot of them now (though this is just my third sageuk), I did notice that Kdrama audiences want fluffy and happy endings. Lately the need has been for rational and capable characters, although this latter need I do understand given that a lot of Korean dramas suffer from needless angst which can be avoided, which often stems from characters doing wrong things for an apparent greater cause (which as javabeans so aptly puts it, is the noble-idiocy problem). Idk, I guess we all have different tolerance levels of noble idiocy hahahaa
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Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 5:56 PM
watching wuxia drama can scar your heart for life,
I even search in google specifically for wuxia drama with happy ending,
but the standard for their happiness is different, even wuxin the monster killer ending is come to "okay" category for me
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kakakash
October 13, 2016 at 10:31 AM
>> I even search in google specifically for wuxia drama with happy ending <<
That made me LOL! Hahaha. Interesting. I just learned from you about wuxia as a genre...hmmm *considerslookingintoit*
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63 Riss
October 11, 2016 at 11:55 PM
Your recap is great as always. My two-cents on Byung Yeon's struggle and having to finally decide which hand to show is that I believe his decision was also in part to protect Prince Yeong. He knows that Yeong was in the worst position of his life at the moment. My take is that Byung Yeon made the sacrifice of turning on his friend at the moment in order prevent the Prince from having to choose between saving the woman he loves and thereby proving Premier Kim's claim of his disloyalty/treason. In one fell swoop, Byung Yeon turned the tide and saves (I hope) Ra On ah and the rest of the rebels, protects the Prince. All at my poor tormented Byung Yeon's expense.
I have absolutely been taken by this drama (my very first k-drama) and I'm not disappointed one bit about episodes 15 and 16. If anything, the serious tone has captured my interest even more than ever. The cuteness of the beginning captured my interest, but the intelligence and serious tones of the latter episodes have won my devotion LOL. Episode 15 was heart-wrenching and 16 was intense. My only worry is that there are only 2 episodes left to explain away so many loose ends. One among them is the death of the Queen (Yeong's mother).
After episodes 11 and 12, I've decided to just go with the tide :) and trust that this show knows where it's going. I understand that everyone's take is subjective, but this is truly one show compelling show. :)
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 12:09 AM
THIS to everything you said. As much as I miss the light, fluffy episodes, I really appreciated the shift in tone. There are things the show could be doing better plotwise, but on the whole I'm very satisfied with it.
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azzo
October 12, 2016 at 12:33 AM
I should've read the comments first before writing mine!
This is exactly what I thought Byung-yeon did, I don't think he chose the rebels over Yeong but he did it to protect Yeong. Prime minister Kim would've wanted Yeong to act exactly like what Yeong was about to do, if he'd drawn that sword then he'd be admitting to everything PM Kim said, so Byung-yeon did it to save him from that situation, I refuse to believe anything but that!
And yes, I was never disappointed in this drama, not even once, I love it to bits!
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kakakash
October 12, 2016 at 1:33 AM
Yeaa!! Everything you said! I was going to mention my similar guess about Byung Hyunah but was reaching my word limit. You know its funny after episode 16 and 15, for the first time since this drama aired, my sister, who has been watching with me from the beginning and today has watched both episodes on the same day, called me in the late hours of the night to talk about how impressed she was with these last two episodes. I continue to enjoy this even in its extremely sad and serious tones.
And yesss I agree my only worries are that they wont be able to fit in everything in the last two. But here's to my faith that the directors and writers know what they're doing given that they rejected a 2 episode extension! ^-^
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shiningdream
October 12, 2016 at 3:08 AM
^agree 100%
im suprisingly alright and still staying on this ship. i actually liked the tension at the end. also this episode highlighted that the love between yeong and RO is still very much alive. im just looking forward to see how HGN and Yeong fulfil their dreams together. As long as none of the good guys die, im totally happy.
the king is just a sad sad soul, the joseon doctors need to treat him. and the kim clan (except yoonsung, bless that kind soul), they just need to be executed.
i dont think yeong will really see what BY did as a betrayal. after all, he asked BY to take care of RO in the prev episode. By is just protecting RO.
im looking forward to the final 2 hours.
its been a great journey so far and the OST is probably the best out of all the almost 50 dramas ive ever watched. acting is superb despite the young age of the actors.
fingers crossed there will be a satisfying ending
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kakakash
October 12, 2016 at 10:51 AM
Agreed. Although I have a feeling that HGN and Yeong wont be able to achieve that dream...hehehh...call me a sucker for realistic endings with plausibility (although in kdrama I've yet to see that executed properly...though I have watched like maybe 25).
Yeaa I've been listening to the OST everyday keehee. This and Doctors (aka doctor crush) have been my favourite shows this year, and I know viewers outside Korea didnt like Doctors as much I did. Meh.
Heres to an awesome final two episodes :)
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 3:47 AM
Congrats on your first kdrama and first sageuk drama! And since it is Moonlight, you're lucky! You'll have fond memories of this for sure. And to have PBG and KYJ as your first drama leads and lovebirds, your standard for kdrama lovebirds will surely be high.
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Riss
October 12, 2016 at 5:43 PM
I'm afraid you're right. I'm very glad to have caught onto the gooreumi geurin dalbit fever. The timing was just right. I also tried watching Scarlet Heart, but as beautiful as the actors are, I couldn't get into their story at all. It's too erratic. I just read about them on the recaps here. While I wait for the new MDBC episodes, I've since watched the entire DOTS. That was a great show, too. But I may never get over Love in the Moonlight once it is done. :)
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UrsulaX
October 13, 2016 at 4:53 PM
Yes, I agree with you. I did not think episodes 15 and 16 represented a decline in quality. I found the political developments interesting and necessary.
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64 Jill
October 12, 2016 at 12:08 AM
Okay, I just love that Hayeon's dad said his daughter's name for the last time in Episode 15 (since she's going to be addressed as Your Highness after getting married) and in this episode Hong Gyong-nae said Raon's name for the very first time. Nice one, writer-nim!
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maryxiah
October 13, 2016 at 11:05 AM
I love it when the men in this drama call out Ra-on's name, her name sounds so affectionate, especially when they looked softly at her and say, "Ra-on ah".
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65 redfox
October 12, 2016 at 12:19 AM
I want to see how the little mute princess, Yoon Sungs´ secret knowledge and whatever misunderstanding Yeong once said he means to clear up come into play, plus the princess and Master Jung... have we forgotten all the eleverage at play in this show? where are they? will they ever reveal what they know and have a place in this game?
I am confused as to why it hasnt been adressed. are there too many players for the writer to handle now? Oh, Ha Yeon as well. and the queen. gosh. how to wrap all that up in 2 episodes?
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Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 1:16 AM
I think they want to show the maximum power of sadness in ep 16 so when they attacked the Kim's on ep 17-18,
everything come to play, therefore the Kim's can't refute,
princess said he killed them, kim said no = master jung give analysis, the 1st round gives people suspicion,
white clouds said they didn't order the crown prince assassination and said kim's did it, kim said no = master jung said that logic they used is the same with the queen murder... the 2nd round raise the doubt,
they showed his corruption, kim said no = teacher Dasan and master jung gives prove, people don't believe the kim's anymore, round 3 the kims have no supporter.
The Queen can't attack when Yoon Sung has her secret and probably just keep silent.
Ha Yeon will let it go . . . . she is nice,
I think the writer want to do this ala One Punch or Power Ranger,
we gonna make the clue, put it everywhere and drop all the attack at once so the Kim's can't handle it all,
This drama is quite simple, but the progress can be seen when the live shooting starts to catch up,
I watch the new Abnormal Summit and the guest is actor +director, he said that they finished shooting at 6 pm to aired the drama at 9 pm, that's how they can do 2 ep a week while Jdrama can't. It's 3 hours, they should realise that it's harder to contain a good quality story. They need to give the hint of that clues existence, but sometimes I think, what if they haven't filmed it??
honestly, deep down in my heart, I have this slight opinion that they'll kill Ra-on at the last episode.
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66 azzo
October 12, 2016 at 12:25 AM
I never mind politics like this in Sageuk, I liked this episode, it had lots of moments I loved.
I don't know if I'm the only one thinking like this here but I thought what Byung-yeon did was for Yeong! Yeong was about to pull the sword to stop the soldiers before the rebels turned around. If Yeong had done that then he'd be admitting to everything prime minister Kim said, Ra-on being a spy and falling in love with her, that would've put Yeong in the hardest place, somewhere he could not get out of, so maybe, just maybe, Byung-yeon wanted to help him out. He knows how much the prince loves her, and would do anything to protect her, so he ousted himself as a traitor to save him, I could be totally wrong here, and if I am, what am I gonna do with my heart then?!
"People you miss should be met" this sentence got me, it didn't feel like it was just for Ra-on and her father, but it's how Ra-on felt for Yeong, she misses him too and he knows that, it's the circumstances that aren't allowing them to be together, like he said their fates were entangled even before they met, it's just sad how they come to be like this, sitting together yet apart from each other, that broke my heart so much, especially when he told her to look at him, just for that moment when nobody's there and no body would know!
I'm loving Yoon-sung these days and that's what's making me so worried for him. He knows too much and is making himself an enemy to a lot of people, I'm rooting for him to go draw his own future, but I'm scared, like he said his grandfather never hesitated to throw people when he was done using them so will he throw Yoon-sung too, oh God, please no!
Thanks javabeans for the recap.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 1:40 AM
I think by now that this is pretty much the general consensus for Kim Hyung. He was going to help RO and HGN anyway, but he outed himself to deflect the accusations against Yeong.
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67 Catgirl
October 12, 2016 at 12:28 AM
I kind of want the people whom the CP and Ra-On had help would show up and in return help them in the last episode. Like the little lantern girl, or Eunuch Ma.
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68 Celine
October 12, 2016 at 12:44 AM
Okay Daddy Hong's acting is INCREDIBLE. Mommy Hong breaking down was soo touching. Baby Hong, A+.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 2:45 AM
I'd still have preferred it if HGN stayed dead, but the acting is top-notch.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 3:54 AM
OMG We have the same name. hihi! I was confused for a moment because I did not remember writing this.
Anyway, all actors in this drama are spot on. No one is standing out in a bad way.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 7:14 PM
Haha, I thought this Celine is the same Celine we all know, so I find the post slightly weird, lol especially the baby Hong part.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:05 PM
By now you are well-versed with how I write. hihi! When Moonlight ends, I will change my name to something weirder so that I won't have anyone with the same name and not have beanies confused.
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69 pieryrose
October 12, 2016 at 1:24 AM
Can i just say that i have never seen a crown prince this much in love with a girl, who is a rebel's daughter, and he is ready to prove his love to her, to save her from any danger, making her hide from the possible dangers lurking inside the palace,giving her time to speak her heart out, helping her to reunite with her long lost father, giving her the benefit of doubt, giving her time to say anything to defend herself, even though she did not do anything wrong.
He is ready to go against his father's orders, if anyone is trying to hurt her. I just love the moment he withdrew Byung yun's sword from its sheath(even though it was halfway). That kind of love, is hard to find and hard to come by.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 1:42 AM
It's touching to see his deep love for her, no matter how much hurt she inflicted on him, consciously or not, he keeps coming back to her like a lost puppy, I just want to hug him so bad.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 3:56 AM
I so love Yeong. Some may think he is too good to be true, but I think there are people who love like Yeong even today. They're probably rare though.
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70 maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 1:36 AM
I want to take a moment for Yeong's appreciation too.
Doesn't Yeong seem like his whole persona is built on second lead characters? He’s sweet and gentle, headstrong yet soft-hearted, always pressing but never forcing, always persistent in his love, no wonder I'm swooning so hard for him, he reminds me so much of second leads in dramaland where I felt too good for the female lead and wanted to take them for myself.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 2:00 AM
Yeong is the best of both worlds. He's assertive and strong-willed like your standard leading man but also caring and understanding like a second lead.
JEOHA!!!!! *sobs into pillow*
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 4:00 AM
True! Minus the typical jerk type of guy. I love that Yeong is the opposite of the usual jerk lead that runs rampant in dramaland.
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imbuk
October 12, 2016 at 2:37 AM
Yes! Yeong is such an awesome person! I don't know how he is going to bear the two people he loves the most turning on him with a sword (or knife) on consecutive days. Though we know they did it for his own good, its bound to hurt. *sigh*
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 2:54 AM
Poor Yeong must be desperately wishing that this was a hallucination, like the assassin in Dongungjeon.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 2:55 AM
Oh my, I totally didn't make the connection, knife and sword. Then again, when Kim Hyung did that, I just knew he did that for Yeong's sake, to spare him from making painful decision that could possibly harm his life. I didn't like it when Ra-on pulled that stunt yesterday because I felt like it was unnecessary and hurtful, now that I think about it, it hurts for Yeong when Kim Hyung did that too. T_T
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 3:32 AM
And this time, Yeong can't possible comprehend Kim Hyung's motivations. At least, not at first. I know he won't give up in Kim Hyung, but it this must be a lot to take in. Kim Hyung was his childhood friend, and turns out the guy had been a rebel and a spy all along. Ouch!
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imbuk
October 12, 2016 at 5:56 AM
Yes, because he still loves and trusts ra on after the knife stunt, I think he will do the same with byung yeon. This is why it pains me the most because yeong has such a big heart, he is so generous with his love and trust but he still keeps getting hurt.
Elle
October 12, 2016 at 6:23 AM
Yeong knew perfectly well that Ra-on was acting during that knife stunt. The fact that she had to act that way was what hurt him. Kim Hyung, on the other hand, has been a traitor all along. The situations are similar, but Kim Hyung's betrayal is much, much worse. Yeong had been trusting him with his life for such a long time, only to discover in a very horrible way that he shouldn't have been trusted all along.
Of course, we all know that Kim Hyung had developed a loyalty to Yeong, and that he's only protecting him now. But it really hurts.
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 10:28 AM
I think Yeong already has an inkling that Byung-yeon is associated with the rebels, but he's willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because Byung-yeon has been actively protecting him. But when he drew the sword against him, that's the same kind of pain that Ra-on inflicted on him, the hurt, because they've been best friends for almost all their lives.
mehungie
October 13, 2016 at 2:10 PM
Poor Yeong! He already got stabbed before, seeing all these blades pointed at him had gotta bring back unpleasant memories! Remember that heartbreaking "Byung Yeon ah?" when he *thought* his trusty friend was about to finish him? Now Byung Yeon is holding the sword at his throat for real! But why don't I feel the same betrayed pain from Yeong? I think he was surprised, but he knew desperate times called for extreme actions. That's what I hope, anyway!!
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Kendi
October 12, 2016 at 3:05 AM
I wish I could like your comment. :-)
PBG really did his magic with this role. Previously I didn't pay much attention to him but Yeong is one of a kind crown prince and PBG flawlessly deliver the character.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 3:59 AM
I am so happy for PBG for playing this role. He's even bigger than ever because of this show and he's really in demand now. Moreover, he gets to showcase his acting chops in this new role and for sure he learned a lot in terms of his craft. I cannot wait to see his new project.
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Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 3:56 AM
He kinda reminds me of chilbong, T.T
and he did resemble many much nice second leads,
the one that accepts the girl and always be there
sometimes yoon sung late habit resemble the 1st lead,
someone who tried it all at 1st but didn't succeed,
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71 Kryz
October 12, 2016 at 2:16 AM
Hmmm... I thought what Byung Yeon did was logical for both parties.
One, his mission now is to save Ra-on at all cost.
Two, Yeong is being accused of treason by conspiring with the rebels. What best way to disprove that than by having his neck threatened to be slashed by one of the rebel spies.
At least that's the first thing I thought of... well, second. First was - "How much cooler can this guy be!"
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flo
October 12, 2016 at 12:21 PM
Same! I thought that it was brilliant. I was literally fist pumping the air when he did that after 5 seconds of confusion. I hope that kim hyung will be safe, though.
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72 lin
October 12, 2016 at 2:19 AM
This show has gone from one light hearted and young love saeguk to a heavy political intricts. I thought we are supposed to watch a light and cheerful show with swooning chemistry between the two leads. I am a bit dissapointed of how this show turns to be like this and i have no idea how they are going to wrap up the show nicely with happy ending for our leads within the 2 hours of the next last 2 episodes with so many things come up to the surface at once. Yes, this is a good show but i feel it losses its grip a bit and has made the show less compelling since last few episodes. I am also a bit dissapointed about how the show builds RO's character. She practically doing nothing to fight for her love and only looking fearful all the time. I mean, where did the promise she made. She requested the CP to never let go of her hand and she said she will never let go either. She should at least be consistent with the promise and request. Also, why in the first place should she return to the palace to meet the CP who waited for her if at the end she still pulled the knife to the face of the CP. I feel so frustrated.. If she truly cares as she said then she should never return to the palace or accepting the help of the CP to meet his father knowing that it will endanger the CP, yet she came back and accepting every help from the CP. It is just very inconsistent. And also i dont see any mature love from RO to the CP. Aren't we supposed to be open and fight for our love and happiness if we truly care for somebody...
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Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 4:05 AM
nice ^^ and this is my view in the situation based on this episode
She practically doing nothing to fight for her love and only looking fearful all the time. I mean, where did the promise she made. She requested the CP to never let go of her hand and she said she will never let go either.
----- she is leaving for them to be alive, her being in the palace/city raised the probability to get capture and this gonna down on the same route as this episode,
Also, why in the first place should she return to the palace to meet the CP who waited for her if at the end she still pulled the knife to the face of the CP.
------she didn't come back for him or her love+his love or meeting him,
she comes to see her father, to seek answer and said goodbye,
she never knew him and all of the misfortune she had is because of him, she wants the answer because her dad is capture and who knows if he gonna go out alive?
the dad then gives her the answer; the personal reason for the rebellion is to make a better word for her,
And also i dont see any mature love from RO to the CP. Aren’t we supposed to be open and fight for our love and happiness if we truly care for somebody…
------ yes, but how she gonna fight??
she doesn't have an army and the more she involves herself, she'll be used against yeong,
realistically, I can't see that insisting them to be together and reach the love or proclaimed their love to public can solve the real problem on why they can't be together. They need to solve the rebellion background 1st and they are not mature enough regarding that their age is 18-19,
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73 imbuk
October 12, 2016 at 2:44 AM
I am really scared for byung yeon. Now that he has outed himself as an rebel, what will they do to him if they capture him? Please, let him have his happy ending too.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 2:48 AM
Omo have you seen Kwak Dong-yeon's latest IG post? "This is my reddening sky..."
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imbuk
October 12, 2016 at 5:01 AM
just now went to check it out after you mentioned it. Could this be some kind of foreshadowing? or maybe he is interested in photography? :p
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 6:52 AM
I hope he's only admiring a pretty picture and not foreshadowing anything at all.
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maryxiah
October 13, 2016 at 11:08 AM
I think the picture is supposed to reflect on his betrayal today, because I saw a staff commented that the picture is fitting for today's episode.
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redfox
October 12, 2016 at 2:58 AM
it has been said though that in the novel version, his character survived together with the prince. I havent seen the novel but someone mentioned also that the queen will die? I dunno about that
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 3:20 AM
But a lot of changes have already been made from the novel. The two Queens, Kim Heon, Yoon-sung's personality and second lead upgrade, and the lack of loveline between RO and Kim Hyung for starters. Also, the Yeong/Baekwoonhwe alliance.
I'm afraid Kim Hyung may die. I don't know how they will un-traitor him, unless the King abdicates and King Yeong pardons him.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 4:03 AM
I don't know how they can make Raon good enough to be Yeong's lifelong partner (status-wise and her family background and I'm pretty sure she still needs to answer to the law for pretending to be a man in the palace). That's my biggest dilemma because I don't see a plausible ending that can happen in the span of two episodes.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 5:04 AM
The only way I can think of is if the King pardons her (highly unlikely since he's practically deranged) and she is adopted by a yangban family.
But I don't see how it can happen in the last two episodes.
imbuk
October 12, 2016 at 5:18 AM
How about this?
Maybe the king will die (after ra on and HGN escapes with the help of the rebels, he collapses and dies). Yeong becomes king. The hong family and byung yeon are in hiding. Fast forward a few months, the queen's baby switching will be revealed along with the kim's murder of yeong's mother by our little princess. So, the royal court is free of the kims and yeong is heartbroken as well as requires a good adviser. Because our yeong wants ra on back as well as HGN's dreams for a better world is similar to that of yeong's, he decides to call out to the family and pardons them along with byung yeon (because yeong is smart and trusting enough to realize why BY had to do that for him). Also HGN can be the people's person and they will make joseon a better country and of course yeong marries ra on! It would be awesome if yoon sung and ha yeon interacts more and realize they are perfect for each other and marries too! master jung and the princess also marries! Hurray! :)
Kendi
October 12, 2016 at 7:34 AM
Maybe the rebel will win and choose Yeong as the next king as their demand, while also getting rid of evil Kims altogether. Raon and family then go into hiding for few years. Fast forward few years later, Yeong is now a great king who is loved by his people. He becomes sick, Ha Yeon then helped him to forge his death so he can be with Ra On. What do you think?
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 10:32 AM
Plot twist: Hong Kyung-rae manage to overthrone the current king, the people vote for him to be king, he reform the court and the whole tax system, marry his daughter off to Yeong. Kim clan rendered useless after all and deposed. Yoon-sung pardoned for his attempt to save Ra-on. After a while, Hong Kyung-rae pass over the throne to Yeong, and Yeong rule wisely, with Ra-on as his queen.
Bubblegum
October 13, 2016 at 5:34 AM
I literally LOL-ed at Elle's deranged king comment.
I'm not too sure if the king dying or being overthrown will do much good to Yeong's emotional state of health, but I don't see how the king can make any good decision either. Something definitely has to be done with the king for a happy ending to happen.
Blu
October 15, 2016 at 1:57 PM
You guys/gals are wonderful! Just love and admire your creative talent in peeling the layers of Moonlight.
Please insert in your plot twist this - the picture of Ha-Yeon in Crown Princess garb. Please help me ease my heartache.
My heart ache for CP and I feel his pain ever since I stumble upon a picture of Ha-Yeon in Crown Princess garb.
What make it worst is that I also come across the web drawing of a CP and his bride. No, no please let it not be Ha-Yeaon.
Since it's a drawing, I have high hopes that the bride in the drawing is RaOn. I am still counting that they are going to defy history (or not...ouch) and make Ha-Yeon in Crown Princess garb part of a dream or her hallucination.
I been following in the background and now commenting for the first time and need your creative talent to ease my heartache.
74 tsara
October 12, 2016 at 2:49 AM
BY action at the end is by all means not a betrayal although he makes it look like one. His sacrifice is just what the moment of madness needed to save both his friends. And I believe CP somehow acknowledge that, even RO....... and as for YS - arriving just in time to witness the chaos - I'll be damn if he is in the scene as a mere spectator!
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75 kai55
October 12, 2016 at 3:15 AM
Weighing in my ideas of the perfect drama (been hoping for a good development in recent episodes but obviously at Ep 16, I've lost hope)
I wish that after CP and Ra On confess their loves, the focus would shift to our three musketeers friendships/bromance with small doses of cute romance from main leads. Politics should be kept minimum as obviously history has been so twisted for this drama that no one cares about the rebellion anyway. That would have kept the drama nice and chirpy all the way to the end.
Having said that, I really love PBG and KYJ in their roles, just wished the writing and plot develop could be better.
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76 Potato
October 12, 2016 at 3:19 AM
Just let our puppies be happy!!
#puppiesprotectionsquad
On other note, I'm glad i get to discover my love for park bogum thru this drama. Boy is such a gem!! <3
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Kendi
October 12, 2016 at 7:37 AM
Another hit and he will be the national treasure. XD
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77 Millionstars
October 12, 2016 at 3:48 AM
i have to admit, I am disappointed with this week's episodes but none the less this drama will forever hold a special place in my heart. I just super glad that the drama producers stuck to their original plans of ending the episode at 18 instead of 20, we'd probably be stuck with more typical saeguk political scenes. so phew,
Having said all that, there were many scenes in both ep 15 and 16 that really touched my heart(I'm just going to pretend that the whole RO pointing knife at CP scene didn't happen!) so i'm going to remain optimistic about the ending. The moonlight teams have done amazing job so far so i think we are in safe hands.
We are, right?
Our puppies are getting their satisfying happy ending right?Right, writers?
And oh gosh the new OST <3 <3 Park bo gum is like perfection! And I've always wondered how on earth did he manage to get he perfectly aligned teeth? Im not complaining obviously but you know if he ever got braces or something than id like to go to that dentist lol
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maryxiah
October 13, 2016 at 11:11 AM
Lol, I wonder the same thing about his teeth! Sung Si-kyung even said that he really liked Park Bo-gum's straight teeth.
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bomi98
October 16, 2016 at 4:50 AM
Yes there's a pic of him with his dentist
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78 suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 4:01 AM
Thanks, Javabeans, for the recap and for your comments! Always so very interesting to read about other people's views and opinions on an episode or a scene or a character.
And thank you to the Beanies here who are clearly very enthusiastic in sharing their own insights and conclusions - so fascinating to read and see the different viewpoints and speculations.
We are now coming to the final stretch of the show - 2 episodes to go! - and I am now terribly curious with how the writer is going to end this drama. Like others have already observed, there are still quite a few loose threads to tie up, and I hope they would be able to do this well and satisfactorily.
I'm starting to have some concerns on this matter, which I did not use to have for this show until episode 15 when the Hong Gyung Nae character was introduced because while I can appreciate the drama and escalating tension this creates, I felt it was a little bit of an unnecessary plot-twist for a show already quite full of 'twists-in-progress'. His introduction felt rather contrived i.e. thrown in to serve a particular outcome, rather than an organic progression of the story, and I'm hoping it is not because the writer is starting to feel the pressure to move things forward and so is throwing in things to manufacture situations for plot advancement.
I can't quite put my finger on why I feel quite concerned, and like JB, there is a feeling of wheels spinning quite a fair bit (and if not careful, will start to fall off!). I'm seriously really hoping I'm completely wrong, and that the last 2 episodes can wrap up well and give us good, satisfactory pay-off. Strange how I never had such concerns before episode 15, but something in the way the the last 2 episodes have unfolded has definitely twanged a spidey sense. I find myself anticipating the final week with some level of anxiety, instead of the confidence I previously had.
Don't get me wrong - I think the actors, the director, the editors, the music team, the make-up and costume and all the rest of the production staff are doing an absolutely brilliant job at presenting the story and keeping the quality consistently high. I'm not worried about the execution of the story. It is the WRITER that I am now having some concerns with. How the story ends now rests almost solely on his/her shoulders. And for all our sakes, I sincerely hope he/she knows what he/she is doing! *crosses fingers and toes for finale week*
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Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 4:13 AM
I think the satisfactory factor feel less because the protagonist looked like losing the battle,
they've been cornered so much in the recent episode and we also knew that they can't do anything much,
the hope is withered and they all sad,
of all the happy episode, 2 episode end small problem/subplot they had but this 3 episode just didn't solve many things, it just showed that the stakes are higher, they still in danger and the enemy moving faster.
So it feels like we are in the lower position and we have no ammunition to fight anymore,
it consumes the feeling of always satisfied by their lead solution but now, when they get the real problem, our lead just can't solve it and they didn't get us any hope to solve the problem,
on the brighter side, this is ep 16... so we'll finally get to the conslusion
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suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 4:39 AM
Thank you, Sancheezy, for sharing your thoughts on this! I get what you're trying to say - at this point in the story it feels as though we are at rock-bottom, so hopefully there is no other way to go but up up up from here. I think so too - but I'm hoping that the writer can execute the 'up up up' trajectory so that it feels believable, relatable and logical.
I don't mind having to put in the effort and energy climbing back up the hill to reach the top and enjoy the view at the end. It is when I suddenly get plopped on that hill-top by helicopter that I think I will be dissatisfied with. Hope you get my analogy? ^_^''
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suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 4:29 AM
Concerning this episode itself, I had mixed feelings on this one.
For one, I did enjoy the drama and the high tension it creates. The parts where Ra On meets with her dad disguised as a prison guard, Yoon Sung's confrontation with the Queen, the interrogation scene and all the drama that came with it - yes, wow! I have to admit that I did not think of classifying this drama as having one-the-edge-of-your-seat-suspense before, but this episode really ups the ante.
I also liked that our main leads did manage to have an opportunity to clear some of the air after than dramatic break-up yesterday. The matter-of-fact and quiet way they did that in this episode took a bit of the wind out of yesterday's high-drama sails, I thought (so was that knife-wielding scene even necessary yesterday, or was it for the sake of creating drama?). See, I don't like the fact that I am now questioning some of the dramatic choices and scenes that we have been given - something I had not done at all for previous episodes of this show.
Which kind of leads me to my 2nd point on why I had mixed feelings with this episode. I'm starting to question the relevance and the necessity of certain events and scenes, and I honestly don't like that I'm doing that.
Like JB and a lot of others here on this thread, perhaps we have been so terribly spoilt by the first 14 episodes where not only the story but the storytelling process itself is so flawless, where scenes and events flow so naturally and organically, where development seems real and relatable, that we can be fully absorbed and be in-the-moment with every character and with every event that happens, whether happy or sad.
So, when minor cracks and flaws start to appear, the gloss and glamour, the shine and magic, seemed to have lost its touch somehow. It's... bizarre.
Perhaps it's also down to personality-types. Some people can simply enjoy a drama on its own on the strength of its execution and the goodwill it has built-up over the run. And maybe some others like myself are a bit more... critical(?) by nature and so if there is a tiiiiiiny scratch on a clear polished surface of a mirror, it jumps out at us and causes us to be disturbed by it.
My internal monologue was in overdrive watching episode 16, which took away some of my enjoyment of it. So yeah, mixed feelings all round for this episode. Sigh...
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 6:34 AM
I feel you. And I do think being a bit too critical also shows how much you are truly invested in a show. If you're not, you'd simply brush it off. We were spoiled. Our expectations were met and even exceeded and now that there are small things here and there that does not sit well with us, they're somehow magnified. It also comes from a place where we want the show to be awesome through and through. haha! Nonetheless, Moonlight remains to be a wonderful drama for me. Like what JB said, it's not like this episode is downright bad. I saw quite a lot who really liked these episodes more than the rest. Like you said personality and preferences play a major part on how viewers perceive the events.
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suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 6:59 AM
LOL. We really have been so spoilt with the excellence of this drama. To use my mirror analogy again, we've been viewing it through a flawless clear sparkling mirror, so a sudden scratch however tiny, can be quite jarring for some of us. But for others, it's only an its bitsy scratch, nothing to be upset about, it happens (which is totally right, haha!).
Conversely, if we had been presented with a mirror with several long scratch-marks on its surface right from Day One, another flaw or two wouldn't really matter since we've already learnt to live with it, and learnt to enjoy it despite the odd distortions here or there.
Isn't it bizarre that when a thing gets too good, that can also be a problem? LOL. It just goes to show what an awesome, incredible and brilliant show Moonlight is, that we want it to be perfect ALL THE TIME. Hence for its sake, I truly hope it can end with a wonderful flourish. It would really be the feather in the cap to a long, glorious run. And I WANT it to have its triumphant finish - goodness knows, everyone who worked on it deserves that much!
MDBC FIGHTING~! *cheers them on with pom-poms*
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:11 PM
"Isn’t it bizarre that when a thing gets too good, that can also be a problem?"
Indeed, especially in kdramas. Viewers are always on edge thinking, will this goodness last until the very end? This can't be real! Something has to go wrong somehow somewhere. lol And in dramaland, it ain't over till it's over. All 1000+ minutes of an entire series could be top-notch, but then the last hour or even minutes can ruin all those. It happened before, so I'm holding on and holding out until Moonlight's final credits roll.
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 8:56 AM
"so was that knife-wielding scene even necessary yesterday, or was it for the sake of creating drama?"
Nope, and it completely ruined the moment where they meet again in today's episode, because we left on a pretty intense, dramatic scene yesterday. I feel like their quiet moments are their powerful ones, so they should definitely stick to what they do best. I do think the live shooting has taken its toll and we're beginning to see it in the plot, I noticed some things in the preview don't make it to the episode as well, while they probably don't hold much significance, I feel like we'd feel more connected and understanding if they were to include them, because I feel disconnected at some part of the story (or maybe it's just me). It doesn't change the fact that I still love Moonlight very much, which is why I'm still stuck here, spending my time in the most unproductive way. Lol.
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suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 10:22 AM
Thank you, am glad to know I am not the only one who found the dramatic breakup in episode 15 to have lost its impact from follow-up events in episode 16. The image that came to my mind was like a balloon deflating - all that oomph lost to a whimper.
Which only escalates my concerns over the fact that we are getting plotlines and plot-drivers for the sake of drama rather than for the sake of plot-resolution. I wonder where it started turning in this direction (is it because of the live-shoot and the writer being pressed for time to produce scripts without more forethought?). I'm worried that we won't re-adjust back in time for a satisfying ending and pay-off, but am holding out hope!
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:15 PM
I feel that the slightly weird turn happened this week both in episode 15 and 16. I can already see the comments of DB staff on this week's what we are watching. hahaha! There's going to be hair pulling and rage all around. And a lot of whats and whys. lol
Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 6:09 PM
I agree that it really down to the viewer preference,
I think the knife scene is not necessary but I honestly like how it play out,
I like the way they did it, it really hurt your heart and the bracelet get cut, like the ultimate sadness (I lost count how many times I said this).
This scene can be used for non-OTP couple when they had to let go their 1st love and give up before they meet the real OTP,
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*what we feel
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:16 PM
Me too. I did not like it, but damn it was so dramatic that it really cut my heart. I think it was chosen largely for it's dramatic effect and symbolism.
suegarbaby
October 14, 2016 at 4:51 AM
@Sancheezy
Haha, don't get me wrong, I definitely felt the drama surrounding the knife-wielding scene. It did make a big impact in that episode!
But then that impact lost a lot of its oomph in the next episode when Yeong and Ra On met again and were all matter-of-fact and calm about it.
Good writers don't waste impactful moments like that - they build on it and run with it so that we feel its presence and its influence in subsequent scenes. Either that, or they end off the impactful moment with an equally impactful pay-off so we, the audience, feel extra-satisfied with the resolution.
The writer has been so good at doing the above in the first 12 episodes that this sudden lapse feels jarring to me. I highly suspect this is a result of the live-shoot schedule, more than writer's ability (at least I hope so!). So I'm hoping that this writer can keep her focus and deliver a good finale week, in spite of the time pressure.
And LOL-ing at your emojis! You're really good at them! ^_^
C-chan
October 17, 2016 at 6:28 AM
That is so interesting! Ah, variety really is the spice of life, and the myriad ways we interpret scenes can be limitless.
For me, I actually really found the quietness of their interactions after such a highly emotional confrontation the episode before.
"so was that knife-wielding scene even necessary yesterday, or was it for the sake of creating drama"
Yes, absolutely for the former, because if Yeong and/or Ra On had reacted much in the same way in ep. 16 as they did in that knife scene, then it just shows that Yeong didn't understand what Ra On was trying to tell him AND that he hasn't accepted it. I remember when Yeong said that he shouldn't just say the words but also be responsible for them, and that resonated so much with what he said to Ra On, 'I understand what you're trying to do,' and then taking responsibility by not haranguing her or being too emotional in that sudden meeting. Yeong was gentle, even awkward, and oh so careful around Ra On and that was beautiful and exactly what I expected if they ever met again (which actually surprised me that they did so soon).
I've always felt that high-drama and realistic emotions/reactions don't always mix. It was quiet, unexpected, and self-conscious. Plus, it was in character for Ra On and Yeong, as well. They're not really the sort to blow up at each other over and over again. That knife-scene packed a punch and then you can still feel the effects in the micro-expressions and body language of our sad couple in that they knew they'd already let each other go, and now with this great plot-twist brought them together again in so short a time, the only way they can act is in this painfully distant way, even more unsure of each other than ever.
And then Yeong, ever so gently, asked how Ra On was and said he'd make sure to reunite father and daughter, and it was perfectly Yeong. His love has always been both selfish and selfless. And Ra On, voice wavering, eyes wide, answering that she was alright, and it was perfectly Ra On who doesn't want people, especially her Prince, to worry about her.
God, you can really feel the distance between them in those moments that I just held myself so tight because they couldn't hold each other then.
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C-chan
October 17, 2016 at 7:03 AM
And then in that next private scene they had, when the Prince finally couldn't hold back anymore, when all of those hidden feelings bubbled to the surface in such an intimate, almost whispered conversation...filling the distance between them with their painful hopes, their aching what ifs, their yearning love...HELLO TEARS!
It's like: yes, I'll let go, but can I keep on hoping that we'll hold hands again?
suegarbaby
October 17, 2016 at 9:35 AM
@C-chan
LOL. I wish you had the time to comment earlier so that we could enjoy sharing each other's take on the situation. It's funny how I don't often re-visit old comments this late in the day (episode 17 is already out by now), but since I've been camping on Page 3, I thought I'd swing by the older pages to see if anything new came up and here you are!
I see where you are coming from, and quite a few Beanies on this thread have also shared quite similar views and opinions with yourself, which I understand. But as you so rightly pointed out, different people will have different viewpoints on a scene, and likely that is shaped by a combination of their personality, their experience and their emotions.
See, this is where our opinions probably differ. I personally do believe that Yeong would have understood what Ra On was trying to tell him without the benefit of her pulling the knife and bringing up resentment as a reason to cut ties. And I am basing this assumption on an earlier time when Ra On requested for Yeong to release her from the palace after she realised that he knew the truth about her gender. Without her histrionics, Yeong still understood her reasons for wanting to leave (and that was when the situation was a lot less dire than it is now).
Of course, even when he did understand Ra On's reasons then, it still did not stop him from trying to persuade her to change her mind and stay beside him because, as you so wonderfully noted about being madly in love, it's all:
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So, what I guess I'm trying to say here is that, I don't believe Ra On needed to pull out that knife and use old wounds and resentment to push Yeong away, or get him to understand that she wants to cut ties with him.
Also, as you also noted, despite the initial distance the both of them felt after meeting again, Yeong still could not help himself but want to draw near to Ra On again, because he is just that far gone in his love. So clearly the knife-scene and the attendant emotional wounds that Ra On tried to inflict on him, were not that effective anyway. Hence my assertion that her stunt was unnecessary and why it did not sit well with me.
Phew! Long explanation and I don't know if I even made sense. Feel free to come back on this if you have the time!
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 8:38 AM
I feel the same, Hong Kyung-rae's appearance this late into the story doesn't help, in fact, we have too many unresolved conflicts and the whole plot seems too contrive and lack conviction, like which one do we focus first? How do we untangled all these knots before heading into happy ending? They're making me nervous with the way things unravel this week.
It's not that the quality of the show suddenly degraded, it's the fact that it's starting to lose the initial magic that makes everyone feel so disconnected and dissatisfied.
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suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 10:35 AM
Yes, I was wondering why they had to throw in another plot-twist in the guise of Hong Gyung Nae when there were so many other open-ended threads and mysteries to be unravelled. I can only surmise that the writer felt she needed to bring him in to create the interrogation scene and bring some things to a head there - Ra On's public exposure, CP being put under pressure, White Cloud Society members exposed... dun dun dun, lots of hidden cards revealed in one fell swoop, nevermind that it creates other issues and problems of its own.
Which is why I am refraining from commenting or analysing this episode in too much detail - I want to see how the whole thing is resolved before I declare the writer a genius or someone who bit off more than what he/she could chew.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:20 PM
Me too. I am waiting for the final episode before I judge the writer as either good, mediocre, or bad.
I'm not a fan of Dad's reappearance as well, but I'm waiting to see just how his presence will work in the story.
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Blu
October 15, 2016 at 2:17 PM
@suegarbaby
".....I find myself anticipating the final week with some level of anxiety, instead of the confidence I previously had."
I am in the same boat, and my anxiety is almost reaching a panic stage because Moonlight team thus far have been brilliant and I desperately want them to wrap it on a high note for all of us. We are happy when YeongOn are happy.
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79 michykdrama
October 12, 2016 at 4:31 AM
I'm late to the party today but actually it's cool to actually read the 300 comments and get to digest everything first.
Still loving the show.
BUT. I have a lot of frustration for the King. And it wasn't so much that he was crazy and useless, but that it felt like he went back to the beginning before he had Prince Yeong on his side. Remember that AWESOME scene when Prince Yeong basically showed Premier Kim the finger when he took joint control/kingship? And when the King had some insight that Premier Kim had too much control and he chose Ha Yeon has Yeong'a bride? Where did all that insight go? He basically suddenly decided Not to talk to Yeong and be Buddy Buddy with Premier Kim. And I am scratching my head and banging my head on the table.
What I loved about the earlier episodes is that there was always growth- Prince Yeong was originally this reluctant happy go lucky spoilt royal, who refused to study (remember the scene where he recited word for word on that paper including the laugh? Lol) and because he learnt of his father's struggles and heartbreak, he matured and became the swoony man we all love now.
But I feel everyone has stagnated for a few episodes. Yeong is still swoony and perfect but everyone else is... fairly the same. Byung Yeon needs to have some payoff and stop being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Yung Sung needs to decide where his allegiance lies and stop floating in the shadows. Ha Yeon needs to accept the fact that the Prince loves someone else (which I thought she did, but today's episode sort of made me wonder where her character was going). Eunuch Han needs a Better Plan (because he seems to have NONE) and the Kims need to be taken down (because come on, there are SO MANY clues pointing to their corruption, it's getting frustrating to see them wiggle out of it again) and I WANT TO SEE TEACHER YODA come save the day.
So anyway I can't wait for next week's episodes so that all of them can finally get what they deserve-
OTP: Happily Ever After
Yung Sung and Byung Yeon: to be the Prince's advisors and bromance trio for life.
Kims: horrible painful death/exile/dismemberment
Queen: exiled with her baby to some small village
King: retirement in the mountains (with W's Soo Bong ?)
Hope the show can live up to all our expectations! Last week here we come!
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imbuk
October 12, 2016 at 4:56 AM
>>And I am scratching my head and banging my head on the table.
ha ha.. This made me laugh. Also, thank you mentioning previous episodes' scenes. Felt like going back memory lane.
Agree with everything you said except for the queen being exiled with her baby, the queen should be exiled but the real baby can be brought up in the palace as a princess.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 5:30 AM
Consort Park should be made Queen and she can adopt the baby.
(I know, I know. No Consort has ever been promoted to Queen since Jang Heebin. But this drama isn't following history anyway so...)
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Kendi
October 12, 2016 at 7:41 AM
I just found out about this, I thought any consort can be queen after watching empress of china...so queen can ony happen in special marriage/first marriage and the rest will be consort?
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 7:24 PM
That's basically it. The Queen is chosen separately from concubines.
michykdrama
October 12, 2016 at 6:49 AM
very true @Imbuk- the princess shouldn't suffer for her mother's crime. Though i don't know if growing up in the palace is actually a Good Thing but...
@Elle- That would be the mother of all happy endings... to give the King a happily ever after too. But at this point I'm almost inclined to say he doesn't deserve it... but that's just my anger at the way his character is written talking....
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 7:02 AM
The King needs to see a psychiatrist IMO. He needs to hand the throne to Yeong ASAP because he's so unfit to rule.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 6:41 AM
I have the same thoughts. This is one of the moments when I wish that before a drama pitch happens, the writer have finished writing the entire story so that the story does not suffer because of pressure and time constraints. I'm not sure if Moonlight writer is in such situation, but from what I've read in the past, dramas do not get written/rarely written in its entirety before filming starts. It's like the story itself is undergoing live-shooting.
It is also not to say that the writer failed in such epic proportions. It seems like writing was stellar before, but now it is becoming mediocre which is still not bad.
I just want Monday and Tuesday to come already so we can all breathe.
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michykdrama
October 12, 2016 at 6:51 AM
YES. I also wish this. But I realise that given the tendency for the crazy stations to extend or cut shows at a moment's notice, I'm also not surprised that they don't finish the whole script from the get go.
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suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 7:03 AM
I have heard about this too - about live-shoot dramas not having a completed script from the get-go, and that the script gets adjusted depending on the viewers ratings and feedback, etc.
This is part of the reason why I am getting concerned about Moonlight's last 2 episodes and hope that the writer knows what he/she is doing and how to get everybody there safe and sound. It really seems like a very tall order at the moment and I fear that we may have to sacrifice the resolution of some of the loose threads to time and to a happy ending for YeongOn.
Writer-nim, please don't disappoint us!
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:25 PM
I'm already expecting that some loose ends will remain loose. There's just too much. If somehow the writer can do it, then wow!
Live-shooting has its benefits like changing based on the viewers perception which I think can benefit a show sometimes. And in this case, I sure hope they read the comments of the viewers in Korea because they all scream happy ending for all the good guys. And the reaction to episode 15 and 16 seem divided too, so I hope the writer got pointers from those. However, thinking that the writer is writing STILL is kinda unsettling. We only have less than a week until the next broadcast.
At best, I think we'll get an okay to good ending. It won't be amazing. However, I am challenging the writer to rise above and beyond my expectation. hihi!
suegarbaby
October 14, 2016 at 6:30 AM
It would be absolutely horrible if the writer is still churning out scripts this late in the day! I seriously hope not, though I have heard of dramas where actors find the script changing every hour or so, or where actors only get handed the script minutes before filming starts.
Such slip-shod last-minute sloppiness is bound to create lousy to mediocre scenes and for Moonlight's sake, I hope the writer has already nailed down the bones of the scenes in her mind, and only needed to add meat and skin to the final product.
Am sure the cast and crew are still filming episode 18 as I am typing this. Honestly, this kind of schedule gives me nervous jitters...
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 8:58 AM
Also, it could be the pressure from doing too well in earlier episodes, so with that burden in mind, the writers feel more cautious to be free with their writing, as they have to consider public's reception and interest. It's a shame, because I'm feeling like they lost their groove for a bit here.
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Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 6:36 PM
>> And I am scratching my head and banging my head on the table.<<
I can only provide virtual table and wall so it doesn't hurt you ^^
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michykdrama
October 13, 2016 at 1:55 AM
These are AWESOME sancheezy!!
mega Love! <3
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C-chan
October 17, 2016 at 6:40 AM
Honestly, that's probably what I find most realistic (and frustrating) thing about this show. I mean, I've known people who promised to do better, started to show that they really mean it this time, and then slide back to how they were before because IT'S SO EASY. Why struggle forward when you can just stagnate where you are? That's how I see the King. It's such a stark and meaningful contrast to his son, and either that's deliberately done by the writer or really is an accident, then it's still pretty realistic of how a lot of people are.
Byeun Yung and Yung Sung are in the same boat for me, actually. They need to DECIDE. They can't keep waffling between two loyalties because that way lies failure and certain death. I think everyone has been portrayed in such a way to make the Crown Prince shine even brighter, to make people point at him and say, 'SEE, that's how someone should be' and then have proper comparisons to make that statement valid. Not everything in life works out and all too often, if this is real life, then all of these people wouldn't ever win or be happy. Is it weird that half of me actually WANTS for this show to be hyper-realistic no matter how brutal the ending will be? I'd rather Yeong die than abandon his morals in some way, especially if he live happily with Ra On too. Ah, I don't know. My head and my heart are fighting.
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80 snailshell
October 12, 2016 at 4:47 AM
I don't know if this has already been said, but I don't think Byung-yeon picked the cause. I think he's sacrificing himself - Eunuch Han told him earlier about how personal feelings had to be put aside and that's why he killed the other guy despite them working together for 10 years. Byung-yeon knows how much Ra-on means to the prince, and he's attached to her himself. But he loves his prince, too, and he's shown that over and over again.
What's happening here is perhaps the only way BY, who knows nearly all the pieces, can see to break the stalemate/the absolute surety that people who matter to him will die. He threatens the prince - let the Hongs go or he dies. Presumably the prince's life is most important, so he's likely to achieve that objective. But in order to achieve it, he himself will be captured...and that can only end in execution.
But Ra-on lives. Her father lives. The prince lives and doesn't have to live with the horror of having the woman he loves killed in front of him while he's helpless. He also will figure out that Byung-yeon didn't betray him.
So Byung-yeon dies, sacrificing himself - probably will take responsibility for all the rebel activities, including the attempt on the prince's life. Everything.
And then we all cry.
But I'm holding out hope that the prince will find a way to save him, too. Otherwise...I just can't.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 10:17 AM
No! Byung-yeon can't die, he won't die. The real Byung-yeon lived till his sixty, not quite sure, but he still lived long enough.
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81 royal
October 12, 2016 at 4:55 AM
Can I just say, when I saw Chief Kim walking to the royal interrogation with the rest of his clan, I laughed out loud. Because there he was all stern, while his goatee is billowing away from his face like it was saying, "I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative, one I have never asked to be apart of." HAHA.
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82 jinsel
October 12, 2016 at 5:15 AM
The plot is finally moving. Frankly i was sick of watching the couple. Yes it's sweet, but it was enough to make us understand how much they love each other but the sweet moments were overdone. what this show lacks is a proper development of the bromance, too much talking, too little action scenes. and it almost seemed to me that they forgot about the little princess and the mystery around her being dumb
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royal
October 12, 2016 at 5:21 AM
not being able to speak isn't synonymous with the word dumb
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michykdrama
October 12, 2016 at 5:36 AM
Actually it is synonymous.
dumb
adjective
1. temporarily unable or unwilling to speak.
"she stood dumb while he poured out a stream of abuse"
synonyms: mute, unable to speak, without the power of speech;
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royal
October 12, 2016 at 5:45 AM
okay then~ that was wrong of me.
I've been very sensitive to that word only because it is often referred to a much more negative way than what it apparently mean.
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royal
October 12, 2016 at 5:52 AM
and while English is not my first language, that doesn't excuse that I took the comment negatively, I'm sorry.
michykdrama
October 12, 2016 at 6:45 AM
:) It's ok, just thought I'd let you know so you won't think @jinsel was being rude/negative.
mary
October 13, 2016 at 12:07 PM
♥ to you both for handling this convo well
83 suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 5:45 AM
@ Celine & all other costume-enthusiasts of Moonlight out there!
Here is a newly set up blog on some of the costumes featured in the drama. The writer of the blog is a bit overwhelmed by RL at the moment but plans to update this when things get better. In the meantime, I thought you all might still enjoy her posts.
Link here:
https://musingsdrawnbyclouds.blogspot.co.uk
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 6:00 AM
It's Jillia from Soompi!
I'm excited to see her post on the royal wedding costumes.
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suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 6:08 AM
Yup, indeed it is her. It's nice that we can go somewhere to see all her costume posts in 1 spot instead of trawling and hunting for them in the soompi forum itself - it's really like looking for a needle in a haystack when you want to look for specific posts! Really hope she can update her blog soon - love her attention to detail and the insights she brings. It gives me such a better appreciation of the drama (both for the costumes themselves and for the people behind the decision to dress them!).
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 6:48 AM
That's why I rarely visit Soompi. It gets crowded with comments easily and it is kinda hard to go through if you are looking for a specific post. However, I may have to go through all the pages once the drama is done because I am looking for Moonlight fanarts and I know Soompi has a lot of them.
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suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 8:07 AM
The Moonlight thread in Soompi is over 1000+ pages long, so all the very best with going through that lot! I've kinda given up trying to back-read all the pages and can only make a few at a time.
Having said that, some of the comments, inferences and conjectures the commenters there make are absolutely hilarious! Suffice to say, us Beanies here are a more sedate lot and there's a lot of spazzing and exclaiming going on over there.
The BTS pictures & videos, instagram updates and other paraphernalia posted there are also note-worthy. It's one of the main reasons I keep visiting that place in spite of its intimidating page count.
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 9:03 AM
Soompi's thread is very hard to go through, like wading comments through an ocean of people. Plus it's quite an intimidating place to be in, last time I went there and commented, I feel so small and so out of place. Getting a warning didn't help either, lol.
suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 2:04 PM
@maryxiah
Ouch! What did you get a warning for?
I don't have a soompi account so I only lurk.
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 5:11 PM
I think the first warning was on my signature pic, too big. There was something else, bur I forgot what it was. And then I stopped going because it was too much of a trouble. Then when I caught Kill Me Heal Me fever, I went there again, can't help it, they have so many spazzing fans and mentioned my discouragement being in the thread because the admin in soompi can be quite..intimidating? I got dissed. Hehe. So I lurk once in a while too, I lost my confidence to comment, I got scared, lol.
Sancheezy
October 12, 2016 at 6:21 PM
haha I sometimes go to soompi to find fanart and post something,
I like when they have different lol, amazing, insightful button so I can easily look for what I looked for,
either a funny post or some fanart,
celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM
@suegarbaby Yeah. I lurked in various Soompi threads and noticed that there's way more fangirling and spazzing there than here. Discussions on DB gets super intense without much fangirling (although we do fangirl every now and then hihi). It's not to say that what they're doing over there is not good or plain or what. It's just that it's a very different kind of community from DB. I wanna see fanarts. ohdear 1000+ pages. /cries
jinsel
October 14, 2016 at 4:54 AM
This site is so much better to soompi in my opinion. It seems that alot of horny people lurk in there. All those comments about wanting to make this drama like porn makes me sick. to have those thoughts on a teenager.... unbelievable.
suegarbaby
October 14, 2016 at 6:38 AM
@maryxiah
Aiks, your experience did sound rather unpalatable! Am sorry you had to go through it. There is safety in lurking!
@Celine & @jinsei
The soompi community has a rather different dynamic and feel to dramabeans, definitely! Guess it's a matter of taste and preference, but there are pros and cons to each site. I try to take the best of both worlds, though I admit I spend more time here than on soompi. I only go there because there is so much more material and information flying about for Moonlight. If I was not this into a drama, I wouldn't really have bothered, lol!
celine
October 12, 2016 at 6:45 AM
Thank youuuu!! I love me some costume porn!! Still sad that we only have two episodes left and still no Raon in a pretty hanbok.
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suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 7:12 AM
Tell me about it!
Ra On's lack of scenes in pretty female hanbok when the PD kinda promised otherwise while the show was in its early run, is one of the reasons why I suspect the script has been altered along the way and I am anxiously hoping this has not de-railed the ending. There must be some adjustments made but I hope it hasn't been too drastic to have affected the way the ending will be played out.
LOL, if you have not already noticed, I seem to be terribly anxious about the ending!
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 9:06 AM
I'm anxious with the ending too. With the way things are going right now, I doubt we will get to see Ra-on in pretty hanbok, I don't know why but I'm not convinced Yeong can even stay in the palace after all this. He could be spending the rest of his life in some remote place with Ra-on, raising their kids in humble beginning, which I don't quite mind.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:32 PM
I don't know if you guys check twitter, but I saw a possible spoiler for the ending last night. It's nothing concrete as it could be interpreted in different ways, but it's something. Try searching for Moonlight spoiler ending on twitter to see since I can't post it here.
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 8:44 PM
Celine, I did that but nothing came out?
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 8:51 PM
All I get is this news
"The KBS 2TV drama "Moonlight Drawn by Clouds" has two more episodes to go.
According to a media source, the seventeenth and eighteenth episodes are in the making right now and speculations about the ending are squeezing out.
Security measures are being enforced so that ending doesn't leak out and personnel involved are told to be extra careful."
celine
October 12, 2016 at 9:06 PM
*Possible spoiler without posting the exact spoiler* LOL I crack myself
@maryxiah Look for the account of patkkuk. It was posted 15h ago. You may have seen it before, but I haven't so it was something to think about for me. Again, not concrete, but... anyway, you'll see.
maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 9:12 PM
Oh, that! I've seen it before, it's on KBS official page, I didn't think much of it because it seems like a promo poster. And the words on the poster seem to imply they were trying to introduce the sets/places where they shot the drama.
Elle
October 13, 2016 at 6:40 AM
I think it's a promo shot. However, the pattern on the chima is VERY interesting.
84 writer
October 12, 2016 at 5:55 AM
Regarding Ra On lack of development, this writer can be awesome but i have a feeling that she is not the type to write strong or at least a smart female lead in her drama, maybe in her mind women has to be weak and helpless.
I was actively disappointed with Eun Bi in School 2015 i actually dropped the drama halfway. She should learn from writers of My Love From The Star or I Hear Your Voice. Cheon Song Yi & Jang Hye Sung was so iconic that both actresses enjoyed one more peak in their career.
Feel bad for KYJ, i honestly think she did well for her age, at least she will have a lot of time to improve. PBG can do no wrong IMHO when it comes to acting. He's just a gifted actor.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 6:52 AM
KYJ is doing well and the viewers are acknowledging that. There's been nothing but praise for KYJ. There are viewers who are not liking that Raon as a character is passive these recent episodes, but KYJ's acting is still spot on.
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85 heikhawon
October 12, 2016 at 6:44 AM
I miss the self reliable smart Hong sam nong, eg. When she outwitted the drurnkard who was suppose turn her into an enuch. Wasn't easy but she did something herself! Lately(since many episodes back) they've just let the prince Shine as the ever smart one.
?please put Ra-on back in her right place drama gods-the heroin who's as smart as the prince.
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86 amandes
October 12, 2016 at 7:29 AM
This episode made me facepalm even further at Ra On's actions which not only put her in danger but put all 3 boys in the line of fire as they try to save her (again!). She said she didn't want to create further trouble for the CP so...... she decided to go into the palace!! aND She was sorry to BY for troubling him to take care of her (again!). Sigh.
If there is ever another cross-dressing drama, can drama writers make sure that the heroine is not just dressed as a boy but is equal to the boys in intelligence and depth, if not more so? Don't make her a damsel in distress, again and again. In fact, please let this be the default template for all dramas: don't write a heroine as a catalyst for the growth of the boys while her character remains stunted.
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Anh
October 12, 2016 at 3:25 PM
Her reason for going is legit and in-line with her character: she wants too see her dad for the first time in 10+ years, because she knows it would not end well for him so she want to seee him for 1st and last time, also to deliver her mother handkerchief(feeling) to her father
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amandes
October 12, 2016 at 7:53 PM
It is understandable that she wanted to see her father whom she had never seen or known. However, she seems to have done it without giving much thought or preparation on how she would go about it and how she would avoid detection given the gravity of the situation. It would have been better if Eunuch Han had told her of his plans to help her father escape from the palace so that she wouldn't have had to smuggle into the palace herself.
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87 Evie
October 12, 2016 at 7:36 AM
I have to say Yeong has the ability to melt my heart. I totally melted when he said he wanted to stay a little longer. It wasn't a question to Ra On . It was a matter of fact which made it all the more bitter sweet for me. His love for her went up another level when he was willing to just believe everything she said. And she was willing to be just as honourable when the circumstances made the choice for her. She didn't have much say. But she would rather take the pain. Yeong's love for her to was very much different. He wasn't the honourable type. More of the protect her in his own way. And I love him for that. Probably this is what love means. I believe this is why I still live for dramas like these. Sleepless nights.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 7:03 PM
Mhm, everything he says is swoony and romantic to me. I like it when he tries hard to spend more minutes with her, and the way he treats her makes me feel like she's the most precious girl in the world. I guess what really worked for me in this coupling is the way the prince shows his undying love for her, it warms my heart so see such a strong love.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:39 PM
Yeong is love. Just when I thought he'd used up all his nice and sweet and romantic and swoony ways, he'd do something yet again to make me melt. It is rare to find a male character in dramaland who is truly overflowing with love to give and who need not be a jerk in order to be swoony (ugh the kind I hate so much). He is actually very nice and a gentleman. Swoony-ness is useless if the guy is such a jerk/beast who needs to be tamed. It does not sit well with me when a hostile character and his hostile ways are portrayed as romantic and ideal and that women actually like them or that women eventually submits to them.
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88 Wanne
October 12, 2016 at 7:40 AM
OH MY GOD!! I just finished watching this week's episodes and i agree with those that said its not about quality but preference that made Javabeans disappointed because I find EP 15 and 16 greatttt imo.
Seriously, i keep expecting lower quality due to the live shooting they are in. How can they still come out with such amazing episodes?! The staffs and actors seriously have my highest respect!
I hate it when RO hold the knife towards CP because i felt so badd for him. I cried during that scene. I normally give praises generally to the whole team, because they are all doing great. But now i want to say, Park Bo Gum deserves all the love and praises he's getting for his excellent job. I also cried when they had the conversation in this episode when CP wished to stay longer with RO and think that he can sleep well now. He's clearly the one more in love :'( and RO knows that. CP is the type who wants to treat his loved one like the most precious woman. He said that, and its not just mere words. Thats why its also heartbreaking during RO's voiceover in the last scene. So, the scene with RO and the knife is maybe because of that also, she prefer to be the bad one as long as CP wont feel guilty. And how great that the music suddenly stop and the voiceover is the only sound at that time. Good job pd!!
I also love RO's mom acting when she cried telling RO about how her father is still alive. Great great acting there. Basically all the actors are doing a great job. Well, except for one i think. I dont know if the character requires him to act like that but surprisingly the character i hate the most is the King!! So annoying and embarassing!
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mehungie
October 12, 2016 at 8:15 AM
"I also love RO’s mom acting when she cried telling RO about how her father is still alive. Great great acting there."
I second this! Her reaction to seeing her husband alive, then taken away right in front of her eyes was entirely believable. She acted shock - lost her mind - can barely talk -- so well.
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Wanne
October 12, 2016 at 8:16 AM
I also find the return of HGN is not just a plot machination to heighten the drama. His conversation with CP in the prison is great and thought provoking for me. As long as its a great leader, who has the same vision as his people, chosen by who does not matter. The drama now feels like its all coming together. CP wants to gather his own people. He got the best life partner as his queen, a loyal bodyguard and friends in BY and JY and now someone who got the same dream as his who he can work together with to achieve the world they dream of. I hope HGN can bring the citizen together to support CP so he can top the Kim's clan. Wow, what a great drama. I came in for the romance. I love what i also get from it.
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Wanne
October 12, 2016 at 8:26 AM
I love HGN's speech during the interrogation too. Its meaningful, heartbreaking and a slap on the face towards the minister and the king. The poor citizen showed their disagreement towards the treatment of the officials on them through a riot. What makes the king any better who did bombing and cause the death of thousand of people.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 9:11 AM
Hong Kyung-rae's ideals were thought provoking but we don't necessarily need him to tell Yeong all that, Eunuch Han could've done that, Byung-yeon could've done that, but the fact that they felt the need to up the ante by bringing in a dead person, that's stretching too far. I was touched by Ra-on's interaction with her father in the prison, but I don't feel it was necessary to add more conflicts to the plot. We could've spent more time exploring on characters, which is what this drama does best.
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89 gumtaek
October 12, 2016 at 7:42 AM
How can some say that Raon in the later episodes lacked spunk or rather lost her spunky self?
Asking Chief Eunuch Han to get a glimpse of the father she has never seen nor knew: "The entire nation knows him except me.", is a foolhardy request but filtered through the prism of a daughter's love for her father---which I have to say is short of heroism because of the stigma she bore all throughout her life by being his daughter---it ceases to be foolhardy but rather becomes the mark of true grit.
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90 lunatic4kd
October 12, 2016 at 7:58 AM
It seems that the majority of viewers want puppies and rainbows ALL the time in Moonlight. What I love love love about episodes 15 and 16 is the pure essential drama of the situation which, to me, only HEIGHTENS and strengthens the love story and the arc of the narrative. We are watching The CP and Ra-On realizing that real life always comes along with difficulties that have to be dealt with. This is making them grow up. There is no such thing as sweetness and light all the time in any of our lives. And remember that the real history behind this story is far more dramatic than the sanitized version we are seeing on the screen. If we are lucky enough to have the writers of this excellent sageuk by-pass the reality of history (this prince died at 20) and give us the puppies and rainbows at the end, be assured that the delivery will be magnificent. In my mind, it would also be astonishing and beautiful if they did stick fairly close to reality and show Ra-On as his love holding him as he takes his last breath. I trust the writer and directors and just want a firm, satisfying resolution to the drama, NOT ambiguous like Shine or Go Crazy. Give us reality dosed with rainbows from these actors we have grown to love so much. PLEASE PLEASE!!
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 10:13 AM
Maybe...not puppies and rainbows all the time, but definitely a little less angst? And maybe a little less overused conflicts?
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cynkdf
October 12, 2016 at 2:43 PM
Good post (and I am not saying that because you are a new fan of HCY :)) However, I would not be able to take it if the drama actually shows CP drawing his last breath.
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91 Honey
October 12, 2016 at 9:06 AM
I LOVE these episodes! I guess I prefer watching pretty people fighting for their impossible love rather than watching the same pretty people falling in love for the first time.
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92 Bubblegum
October 12, 2016 at 9:22 AM
I'm halfway through the show but I just gotta say this first. The part when Hayeon was like "I know we have not had the wedding but I must have become the Crown Princess seeing how they allow me to wait for you alone" I rolled my eyes so hard. Any effort in trying to empathize with her goes down the drain. In my head I was legit like, gurl gotta know when to gtfo. I know she loves him and sacrificed her own future for him yada yada but anyone who tries to force themselves on Yeong other than Raon should really...!!!!!!!!!!
My dislike for her rocketed sky-high that minute. Hopefully when I finish this episode I will go bad to feeling at least 50% sad for her lol.
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Bubblegum
October 12, 2016 at 9:31 AM
Omg, just finished watching that scene between Hayeon and Yeong and I think I dislike her even more. Her love is so petty seriously. You can see that she's kinda happy he's not wearing the bracelet, and when she start to disregard the importance of the bracelets... I can't help comparing her one-sided love VS Yoonsung's. I see so many comments about people feeling sad for her and I wish to empathize with her but I just can't at this scene.
Oops was trying to withhold further judgement about her until the end of the episode but I just gotta. LOL
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 10:11 AM
I feel you. I'm not trying to hate on her, but the way she was acting in this episode made me feel mixed feelings about her. Sure, she has every right to feel confused, in need of time to process and throw tantrum even, but I don't like the way she subtly insinuate her right as his wife, verrryyy subtly. And whenever the show poke at the bracelet thing, I find myself getting sensitive and defensive over it, not because I believe in its myth, but because Yeong does and the way he insisted and treasured it makes me feel like I ought to be loyal to him and no one else, lol.
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Bubblegum
October 12, 2016 at 11:04 AM
Whew, just finished the show. Unfortunately there wasn't any more of Hayeon, so I shall explain my thoughts on her further:
I have been trying my best to like her and feel sad for her since her knowing of the Prince liking someone else, and think this scene sort of made it clearer why I fail to feel as sad for her as I do for Yoonsung. The way she bugs Yeong is definitely on the annoying side for me. That scene when she followed Yeong into the fight on the street with Byungyeon really makes me think that she's a huge burden, haha! I just really dislike how she follows Yeong around or try to fake encounters with him. Don't try to force something that can't be, gurl. At least Yoonsung provides help or consolation at his own cost. But for her case, I would say it's more of stress and guilt (that he can't return her affections). And when she talks about being Crown Princess it seems that she's becoming delusional, like "I don't care who you like, I'm your wife!"
This episode makes me feel that her (self-centered) love for Yeong can never be compared to Raon's (sacrificial) love for him. In fact, I'm not even sure whether to call her affection for him love. It's more like a petty crush. She didn't spare a thought for his feelings, forcing her wife title on him and mocking the myth of the bracelet. And she even entered the garden again?! Zzz. Btw, when she realized who Yeong really loves, I thought she bit her lips and looked up with slightly angry eyes? Or is that meant to be an overly upset look? LOL!
Up till now the moment I like her best was when she told Yeong that the person he love wouldn't want to see him looking defeated. She seems the most sincere and generous in the scene. Otherwise, she has been pretty pushy in wanting him to return her affections.
Another thing is, IMHO, she doesn't seem to be a humble person, instead, she acts kinda high and mighty at times. Like in that scene when she was annoyed that the Prince talked down to her before looking up and realizing that it's the Prince.
Gosh, my written thoughts are a huge mess, I don't know how you guys do it! All in all, I just don't find her to be VERY likable, cause everyone else seems to like her. Did I miss out any scenes when she's done good? She's got like 2 episodes to redeem herself (to me, duh). Go girl!
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 6:58 PM
I think why most find her character likable is because she's not your usual bitchy second female lead in most k-dramas, in fact she's nice, vanilla nice, but still nice. While I didn't think much of her in the beginning, she grew on me when she wanted to help Yeong secure his kingship in the palace, I find it touching that she's sacrificing her future (if she was to fail the crown princess selection, she won't be able to marry anyone of noble family, I think) in order to help the person she loves, even if that love is not returned. And because she knew Yeong wouldn't accepted the marriage without a fight, she suggested it to be a deal and tried to repress her feelings, I feel for her in that moment. I'm sure if Ha-yeon didn't step in, other noble family's daughter might become Yeong's crown princess, and I can't imagine what damage that might do to Yeong. So I was appreciative of her gesture. But the one thing I didn't like about her in this episode is she's showing signs of jealousy, I guess it's inevitable, but that's almost always how the second female lead gets batshit. And when she implied herself to be the crown princess (his wife) even without the ceremony, that's when I just get mad. And her being in the garden did not help, I have fond memories of that garden.
celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:46 PM
I really hate it when a female character willingly joins in on a fight where she cannot even protect herself. Or when a female character goes to a place where they know is not safe and they're curious... /rolls eyes They just end up being another person to save. Did not like when Hayeong followed Yeong and was scared like gurlll really? However, the writer wanted her to be there so she can witness how awesome Yeong is and fall for him all the more. LOL I just sometimes wish that our stories do not resort to such, especially when there are other ways to develop the story or drive a point.
Bubblegum
October 12, 2016 at 11:16 PM
@maryxiah I get that she's not that evil bitch (so far) but after this episode I feel like her willingness to marry the CP even if her love will not be returned has some selfishness to it:
1. If I didn't remember wrongly, Hayeon readily agreed to be the Crown Princess before knowing that Yeong already has someone he loves, so that first acceptance of the role definitely wasn't as noble because she thought that he could still fall for her.
2. After knowing that he has someone he likes, her attempts in trying to get him to notice her seems very pushy IMO. Like trying to force herself into his face. And how she keep trying to reiterate that she's the chosen Crown Princess (that time in episode 14 too), it's like it doesn't matter she doesn't own his heart cause at least he's hers, in title. This really makes her like the typical sour second lead who tries to use anything to prove her position in the relationship.
I guess I wasn't too drawn to her because she keeps trying to force herself into where she doesn't belong, especially when Yeong is actually so nice to her, but she doesn't really consider his feelings about his love.
I agree that it's fortunate Hayeon is chosen rather than some other noble lady that PM Kim tried to place in the Crown Princess seat. Because Hayeon is nice, and I'm sure whoever PM Kim chooses is bound to create havoc. Also, I've rethink my sentence about Hayeon having two episodes to redeem herself. I think with so many things left to tie up, we don't have time for another person with evil plans to wreck the YeongOn relationship, so right now I'm sure she'll do something good and really noble to save their relationship. :-D
@Celine Ikr! I find the part when she followed him into danger really annoying, because she can do nothing else other than shrinking into a corner crying for his safety. Although to be fair she obviously doesn't know it's gonna be dangerous, but still. Why are you following him everywhere gurl?! Reiterating my point, she's forcing herself into his face.
imbuk
October 13, 2016 at 7:50 AM
I am one of those people who like ha yeon. I think from the first, she was shown as a straight forward person (her wanting to meet with yoon sung). So, when she obviously gets a crush on yeong, she tries to grab his attention and her following him was probably to spend few more minutes with him when he was alone, because come on, if we have a crush on someone, we tend to be impulsive or stupid around them. Also, yoon sung helps and protects ra on because she needs it sometimes and he also sensed from the starting that ra on likes yeong, so he consols her when he can. But yeong doesn't need that and he has always kept ha yeon at a distance, so she probably didn't even know when he needs consolation and she did the one time she sensed it. About that bracelet, I think she realized they have broken up and probably tried to make him see that she is here, his could-be wife. I guess, that is selfish but she might be desperate for some love from him by now. But I didn't understand her love and devotion for yeong as well and why she would want to be in a loveless marriage. But I guess she did delude herself into thinking that what she feels for yeong is love because she probably had never felt those kind of emotions for another man before.
Bubblegum
October 12, 2016 at 11:06 AM
@maryxiah
Oh yes, I totes feel myself getting defensive over the bracelets too. Thank god for the moon symbolism tho. The bracelets may not be there but the moon will always be.
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93 Linda from Singapore
October 12, 2016 at 10:13 AM
Monday, I was hit by an huge iceberg. Tuesday, I was hit by a high speed train, dragged under the carriage along with my broken heart.
What a mess, thanks to directors and screen writers. You had me a total of 14 episodes. I felt abandoned over the last 2 days. A lost child clinging to that last bit of hope only to have it crushed in the end over the last 2 days.
I am only hopping for a high cumulation of love and happiness. An ending where it is triumphant.
I hope the director is reading this - don't give me the subtle ending where you have CP glazing Ra-On far away in this open rice field and hope that viewers can guess that they are finally together.
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Bubblegum
October 12, 2016 at 11:39 AM
Trying not to burst out laughing in bed reading your comment. I can already imagine how that rice field scene is gonna play out.
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:47 PM
If only there is a heart button somewhere here! LMAO
Love your comment and yes, I'm with you! No to vague endings. I need real interaction and finality.
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94 Irene
October 12, 2016 at 10:21 AM
Honestly, it feels like I'm watching a completely different drama for the past two episodes. I can't even get myself to watch them fully without skipping any scenes because it's too painful to watch.
These past two episodes have been full of all the kdrama cliches that I had thought MDBC was so good at avoiding - long lost father thought to be dead suddenly comes back (and at the most opportune moment too), the noble idiocy and now Ra-On back in men's garb and putting herself in danger by going back to the palace. The meeting with Yeong especially after their emotional break up in episode 15 didn't seem right either. And how can he stand by and do nothing when she was literally seconds away from getting beheaded?? What happened to all those declarations of love for your person?
Also, I dislike how they've been shoving PBG's new song down our throats by playing it so many times throughout the episode. It's good but not that great.
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Linda from Singapore
October 12, 2016 at 10:37 AM
Correct. What happens to Ra-On's promises of "I will not go anyway without your permission" & "I will never let go of your hand".
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 11:56 PM
What happened was that she was faced with the possibility of being caught and killed, and Yeong accused of treason. This actually came to pass this episode (not the getting killed part, but still) so I understand why Ra-on had to break the relationship
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 10:40 AM
Whoa, in what way did they shove the track down our throats? I thought it was fitting in the scenes they've put, because it conveyed Yeong's exact emotion, that Ra-on will always be his person, the one he loves without fail. And I counted, they've played it only 3 times, one, during his wedding robe dressing scene, two, during his moment with Ra-on in the hidden room, three, very shortly when episode 16 ended. He's not a phenomenal singer, but I think he did great with the track.
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Bubblegum
October 12, 2016 at 11:10 AM
Same, I thought that track fitted in perfectly with that scene when Raon and Yeong stared into each other's eyes. His person, indeed!
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Linda from Singapore
October 12, 2016 at 6:58 PM
Ke ke... Better than playing Love is Over, Love is Over......
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:51 PM
But they only played PBG's song in one scene in each episode (episode 15 and 16). I don't know your meter for "so many times", but pretty sure once is not under the category of many.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 11:57 PM
If there's one drama that overused one OST track to oblivion, it's Boys Over Flowers.
*shudders at the memory of Almost Paradise*
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Grace Yoon
October 13, 2016 at 7:53 AM
If I remember right it was played in two scenes...YoungOn reunion in Episode 16 and the wedding in Episode 15 which I thought were apt scenes to play the song.
Bogum certainly is not a pro when it comes to singing but the boy has talent. And more than talent, he has sincerity which he perfectly conveys through the song.
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95 Bubblegum
October 12, 2016 at 10:23 AM
Only redemption for the King is that he knows he is useless. Other than that, he's a total wimp who always let his paranoia and emotions get to him. Zzz.
When PM Kim asks Yeong to prove his innocence by cutting off Raon's head, Papa Hong's expression = my expression.
Poor Byungyeon, trying so hard to set his personal feelings aside when he raised his sword to Yeong's throat, but that "Byungyeon ah" at the end... Gonna guilt-trip him for life.
+100 to Papa Hong's wise words. But maybe minus another 90 for causing your poor child to almost be executed.
+100 to Raon when she doesn't want Yeong to feel guilty for not being able to protect the woman he loves. Shows that they know how true their feelings are to each other. *_*
+1000 to Byungyeon wearing the gat. God Byungyeon indeed.
+10000 to Yeong when he says that he can finally sleep at night.
+1000000 to Yoonsung, fearless af threatening the queen with the baby. I'm sure his appearance during the interrogation won't be for nothing, right?
I actually really like this episode, but I'm wishing it's not 2 episodes away from the end because I fear that they will cram everything into 2 episodes and leave us with many "how did that happen?" "what just happened?" "is that all?" Like they haven't even explained where Papa Hong has been all these while, and how they caught up to him so fast when he just came out of hiding. That's drama, huh? Anything can just happen without explanation. :-l
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96 Shannie
October 12, 2016 at 10:59 AM
I'm just hoping the ending will be satisfactory.
There are so many loose ends to tie up and I have no idea how they're gonna get all that worked out in 2 damn episodes.
The fall of the prime minister has not even begun and we're right at the end. This drama started off amazing, but little by little, the weaknesses have become transparent.
I'm starting to think that we needed the episode extension to sort out everything. I did like this episode, though. The one yesterday was a bit frustrating with Ra-On and her noble idiocy shenanigans, but today was a big improvement.
I feel Yeong. He's faced with so much. PBG's acting is amazing though, although I miss his playfulness.
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Bubblegum
October 12, 2016 at 11:09 AM
Since they rejected the idea of extension even though this drama isn't pre-produced... let's have faith that the production team is able to tie everything up together in two episodes. Om.
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97 wackycashew
October 12, 2016 at 11:14 AM
Thanks for the recap, JB!
I'm glad RO and her dad had a brief moment together just to talk a bit. It was also good to see that Dad and Yeong are on the same wavelength, and it's possible to seek a peaceful solution. We finally see the main couple together a little more and being able to chat and just escape from the current situation a bit.
My interpretation of BY at the end is that he figures the only way to protect his friend is to make sure that RO can stay alive. Otherwise, even if Yeong is alive, he would be too devastated to live if RO dies. By turning on Yeong, he can ensure RO's safety since it's highly unlikely the king will let the crown prince be killed just for a rebel. At the same time, he's putting down any doubts that Yeong might be linked to the rebels. So, that's how he reached his decision--his self-sacrifice and seeming betrayal is to ultimately protect the prince and the one the prince loves, who also happens to be the daughter of the leader of his cause.
I do admit this pair of ep's were not like the previous ones in hitting all the right notes, but I am anticipating a good wrap-up for next week.
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98 minyoung33
October 12, 2016 at 11:33 AM
I'm glad that Ra-On and CP finally got to talk properly in the hideout. That twist at the end with Byung-Yeon!! Excited for the final two episodes
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minyoung33
October 12, 2016 at 5:55 PM
After all the angst in the last few eps, I feel this comic strip encapsulates what I want for the last two eps perfectly: https://www.instagram.com/p/BLbRuxEFAMX/?taken-by=ahpheng8
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 6:35 PM
OMG! Hahahaha That's totally me! I will get mad crazy if they don't end up together and have beautiful babies together.
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99 Christina
October 12, 2016 at 1:21 PM
Can anyone help me how to purchase the soundtrack online? I looked up in itunes but it's not there. Usually i would just listen to youtube for the ost of the dramas ive been watching but this time i want to help with the sales and decide to buy it instead.
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 11:59 PM
You might have to stream legally via sites like Melon.
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Christina
October 13, 2016 at 7:05 AM
Ok, thanks. I will try to look it up.
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mary
October 13, 2016 at 12:17 PM
Maybe it will be out on iTunes once the drama ends. They tend to release drama OSTs as one whole album after the show.
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Christina
October 14, 2016 at 4:51 PM
Oic, thanks . I'll definitely keep an eye on it once it comes out. Plus i want to buy the official ost album too aside from the digital one. It's been awhile since i've loooove every song in a drama ost..i think the last one i bought was BOF and You're Beautiful ost
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100 suegarbaby
October 12, 2016 at 2:37 PM
2 episodes to go and lots of ground to cover and loose threads to tie up! If the writer cannot accomplish all of them in the last 2 hours, which would be your top 3 priorities, Beanies? Do weigh in - would like to hear your views!
Mine, in order of importance:-
1) Yeong and Ra On happy together ever after. If this does not happen, drama is an EPIC FAIL.
(preferably in the palace with Yeong on the throne and Ra On as a formal wife - Queen or Royal Consort is fine. Will not be TOO greedy!)
(if not possible, then somewhere away from the palace but able to live in peace without being hunted.)
2) Yoon Sung and Byung Yun alive and living well.
(preferably in positions of distinction aiding Yeong in his quest to make a new nation where children can be children, and women can be women)
(if not possible, at least alive and kicking!)
3) Mute little Princess Yeoungeun finding her courage and will to speak, no longer living in fear of Prime Minister Kim.
(preferably with PM Kim out of the picture - sent to some remote post in the nether regions of Joseon either on demotion or exile)
(if not possible, at least a de-fanged or de-clawed PM Kim)
Other unresolved issues which could not make the top 3 cut:-
1) Young Master Jung + Princess Myeongeun happy ever after.
2) All the Minister Kims get their comeuppance and are exiled away from court or lose a significant amount of power.
3) Queen baby-swap gets exposed. Baby princess brought back to the palace where she belongs. Queen dethroned and demoted.
4) Ha Yeon happy ending i.e. not stuck in a loveless marriage with Yeong.
5) Current King retire with Royal Consort Park somewhere in a quiet part of the palace and no longer involved in court politics or matters AT ALL. Retiring in a temple is also an good option.
6) The Hong family (husband + wife) making it out alive and preferably pardoned and able to live a new quiet life watching over Yeong and Ra On building a new nation for the people.
7) White Cloud Society disbanded as there is no longer any use or need for rebelling.
8) Eunuch Han still around to assist in the palace. Or else retire with the Hong family in a small farm.
9) Teacher Dasan brought back to the palace to assist with the nation-building.
10) Eunuchs Jang, Do and whats-his-name still in the palace and enjoying a good life serving under Yeong. Eunuch Sung humbled and contrite after being an accomplice to all the Queen's shenanigans.
Have I left anything else out? All the bases covered?
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# mushforbrains
October 12, 2016 at 5:10 PM
Sounds about right!
Hopefully by ep 17 then spend ep 18 having Yeongon making moony eyes and more........
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 5:26 PM
1. Of course, without fail it's YeongOn happy ending, preferably with Yeong on the throne with Ra-on by his side as his queen, and hopefully we get to see their babies.
2. For Yoon-sung, Byung-yeon and Yeong friendship to be rekindled. Hope to see them join forces defeating the ministers even though it might pain Yoon-sung to go against his family.
3. To see the king step down from the throne and ths evil ministers to get their comeuppance. Also, for the rebels to receive their pardon from treason because they were acting that way on behalf of the people.
The rest, I just trust the writer to do justice for them.
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maryxiah
October 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM
One more minor details...
I wish we get a more badassery scene where there's bloodbath in the palace, with 3 worlds colliding. In that moment of life and death, I'd like to see Ra-on jumping to Yeong defense like he did in the previous episode, and when Ha-yeon sees that, she finally understand that the OTP couldn't live without each other and are willing to die for one another, realization hit and she takes it as her cue to leave, while the song in the background plays... "love is overrrrr"
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mehungie
October 12, 2016 at 6:57 PM
LOL! You got my vote for Love is overrrrr playing for the right people!!!
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Elle
October 12, 2016 at 11:58 PM
Now that would be the perfect OST for Ha-yeon.
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suegarbaby
October 14, 2016 at 4:56 AM
ROFL! Genius idea! Love the fact that you've even thought about where to place the OST, and in that instance it has never sounded so appropriate!
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celine
October 12, 2016 at 8:54 PM
I'm with you in these top three that should make it in the end.
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lin
October 12, 2016 at 5:40 PM
100pct agree with you suegerbaby, otherwise as you said the show will become EPIC FAIL in the history and we the viewers will be left crawlingg.... Hope everybody will have their happy ending including us the viewers... cross finger and keep the faith...
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junah
October 12, 2016 at 10:12 PM
they kiss again.
i am getting tired with their staring moment.
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maryxiah
October 13, 2016 at 11:17 AM
I'd love to see that in the ending scene.
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Helen
October 13, 2016 at 4:14 AM
whole-heartedly agree with you on all 3 @suegerbaby!
I would be smiling for a long time even after this drama is over!
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