Moonlight Drawn By Clouds: Episode 16

801 October 11, 2016October 11, 2016

by javabeans

Despite my disappointment in yesterday’s episode, I was looking forward to what today would bring us, hopeful that it would do what this show does best in drawing meaning and emotion out of small, heartfelt moments and displays of interpersonal care.

We get a little bit of that, but I’m sorry to report that my hopes were not to be realized and what we have is mostly rebel political hour, which is at least a plot driver. I do wish that plot being driven were somehow more exciting or moving, but okay, at least it moved. We are not standing in the same place we were yesterday. That lining is a little silver-colored.

EPISODE 16: “The world you dream of”

And now for the return of Hong Kyung-rae. He appears before Ra-on’s mother for the first time in a decade, to her utter shock.

A bit later, the news reaches the king’s ears that the leader of the peasant rebellion has been alive all these years.

Hong Kyung-rae urges Mom to run away quickly, a fear proven accurate moments later when soldiers approaches the house. He grabs Mom’s hand and leads her away, but there are more soldiers coming from the other direction, trapping them on the grounds. They huddle around a corner, but the soldiers sense their presence and advance slowly.

Hong Kyung-rae sees that they’re about to be discovered and instructs his wife to stay absolutely put. She realizes what he means to do and begs him not to do it.

But he steps forward anyway to confront the soldiers, who come at him with swords swinging. He’s unarmed, but deftly evades blows and snatches a weapon away from a soldier, and manages to get one in a stranglehold.

When the fight throws them outside, however, he’s surrounded and outnumbered. Ra-on’s mother chokes back her horror as her husband is cornered.

The king is so shocked by news of Hong Kyung-rae’s capture that he accuses his officer of joking. Hearing that he has been hiding all these years and preparing a new rebellion is too much for the king, who has a panic attack and collapses.

Head Eunuch Han is just as stunned by the news, having believed his old colleague dead.

On his way to his wedding, Yeong hears that his father has collapsed and changes direction.

Ra-on returns home to signs of chaos and a mother stricken with shock. Mom mumbles that Ra-on’s father was taken away, gasping that he was alive all this time. Ra-on tries to soothe her mother while wrestling with her own turmoil over the news.

Hong Kyung-rae is transported through the city, sparking a hubbub among the people. Head Eunuch Han is dismayed that the friend he’d so dearly wanted to see again showed up in these circumstances and vows, “Even if I have to risk my life, I will make sure he escapes.” Byung-yeon looks at him in alarm.

Ra-on lets the rebels take her and her mother under their protection, and makes a request of Eunuch Han. He roundly rejects her proposition to see her father in the palace prison, but Ra-on pleads to be allowed to see the father she never knew.

The king is a paranoid wreck, and mutters that it wasn’t a dream but reality when he saw Hong Kyung-rae in his bedchamber the other night. The king looks fairly pathetic, but Yeong can only watch his father rambling before his ministers. Prime Minister Kim suggests that the king hold a special interrogation of the criminal, where they can sentence him to beheading.

Yeong balks at the idea of making the king interrogate the criminal given his weakened state, but the Kims are savvy at pushing the king’s buttons. The King rashly insists on proceeding with the interrogation, leaving Yeong and Head Eunuch Han dismayed.

That night, Ra-on takes on the disguise of a palace soldier to sneak into the palace, and is surprised when Byung-yeon shows up in a similar disguise to accompany her there.

Yeong heads to the prison as well, determined to ask Hong Kyung-rae his questions face to face.

Ra-on arrives first, and Byung-yeon stands guard while she approaches her father’s cell. He sits facing away from her, and Ra-on takes a long moment working up her nerve to speak to him. Before she can, Byung-yeon hears footsteps and alerts her to the danger.

Ra-on drops something into her father’s cell, and after she leaves, Hong Kyung-rae looks over to see the handkerchief embroidered with Mom’s favorite egret flower.

Ra-on and Byung-yeon leave the prison just moments before Yeong shows up on his way inside. Despite their disguises, they tense to see Minister Kim and his cronies heading straight toward them. Thankfully they can take cover behind two other guards passing by, enabling them to pass without close scrutiny.

Minister Kim takes a second look, however, observing Ra-on as she hurries on. He may sense familiarity but doesn’t quite make the connection.

In the prison, Yeong addresses Hong Kyung-rae, asking for confirmation on his identity and whether his family knows of his capture. Hong says he has no family. Yeong points out that Hong wants to get rid of the king, and asks if that makes Yeong a target. He says, “Because of you, I lost something precious.”

At that, Hong replies that when the heavens appoint a leader, it’s for the benefit of the people, not for a person to use for his own selfish interests. Yeong asks if that’s what the rebel group thinks. Hong answers, “I think there’s an error in that thinking. A leader who is for the people is not put there by the heavens. A leader who is for the people should be put there by the people themselves.”

Byung-yeon takes Ra-on back to his quarters for the night, since it’s too risky to smuggle her out right now. She tells him he’s done a lot for her tonight, and takes a look around the familiar surroundings… just as the prince steps into the room behind her.

Yeong asks Byung-yeon if he brought her here, and Byung-yeon apologizes.

Minister Kim eventually makes the connection between the palace guard and Ra-on, and tells his cronies that he saw her. The prime minister orders her caught before Hong’s interrogation begins. They suspect she’ll still be on the palace grounds, given the security, and the prime minister muses that he’d like to see the prince’s face upon witnessing that father-daughter reunion.

Yeong leads Ra-on through a back door to a quiet upstairs room, and tells her that she can hide here if she needs cover; it’s well-hidden, but he knows it because his mother sometimes used this space.

He checks that Ra-on is okay, and offers to create an opportunity for her to slip inside the prison during a changing of the guard. “People you miss should be met,” he says. She’s moved by his thoughtfulness.

The next day, prison security is ratcheted up even higher, with wanted posters featuring Ra-on’s face posted all over. Eunuchs Do Ki and Sung-yeol see the poster as they pass by, and gape in disbelief—not only is their buddy related to a traitor, but now he’s a she.

Ha-yeon is shocked first at Ra-on’s true identity, then at the realization that the prince’s beloved eunuch was a woman.

Head Eunuch Han informs Byung-yeon of the plan to break Hong Kyung-rae out of prison in two days, which will involve rebels in disguise and an underground passage, with Eunuch Hong taking the fugitives outside the palace. Byung-yeon nods in understanding, and Eunuch Hong urges him to protect Ra-on well.

Yeong is surprised to find Ha-yeon waiting for him in his room, and she explains that despite their wedding being interrupted, she was treated as the crown princess and allowed in. He apologizes for making her wait but suggests she return another time, not up for a talk right now.

Ha-yeon notices that he’s no longer wearing his bracelet and asks if he took it off. Yeong answers, “I have merely put it somewhere else momentarily.” Ha-yeon recalls the superstition about the pair of bracelets and how their wearers are bound to reunite, saying that the merchants are quite good at inventing stories.

Yeong answers, “It is probably because they understand the hearts of people who know it is a lie but wish to believe it anyway.” Judging from her disappointed reaction, Ha-yeon seems to understand what this means.

A bit later, she puts more pieces together, recalling Ra-on (as a eunuch) wearing the counterpart bracelet, and also Yeong’s admission that there was a woman he loved. Finally, she makes the realization that Ra-on is the woman the prince loves.

With Yeong’s help, Ra-on returns to the prison, initially acting the part of an ordinary prison guard. But her father has already deduced the truth, despite not exchanging words yesterday, and he calls her name. He says ruefully that he didn’t give her that name intending her to life such a hard life, and apologizes. Ra-on asks when he intended to show himself to her, and he says, “I don’t know. Maybe when the day came that you would not have to act as a man.”

She says tearfully, “Even if the world did not change, as my father by my side, you could have been a great strength to me.” But he sees it differently, not wanting to live in such a corrupt world where he would subject his wife and child to difficulties and be able to do so little about it. “I wanted to change it,” he says, “into a world that was just a little better for you to live in.”

She wishes she had at least known he was alive all these years: “I would have missed you greatly, and called out for you many times.” Her father hangs his head, looking down at his handkerchief, a tear running down his cheek.

Yeong watches the exchange from a distance, then escorts Ra-on back out of the prison. Neither sees that they’ve been spotted by Eunuch Sung, who hurries off to inform the queen.

He’s so rushed that he charges right into Yoon-sung, who’s on his way to visit. Yoon-sung watches curiously as the eunuch excuses himself and beelines for the queen.

Eunuch Sung tells her excitedly that he’s found Ra-on, and the queen lights up in delight. He adds that she was on her way toward the building where she used to live, and in the company of the prince. The queen decides she’ll have to see this for herself.

She gets up to go straightaway, and runs into Yoon-sung outside her door. He explains that he’s delivering tea from his grandfather, but also insists on speaking with her first, ignoring her impatience to leave. She tries to push past him, but he whispers into her ear that his talk has to do with that baby she smuggled out of the palace recently—and that certainly gets her attention.

So the queen returns to her chamber, and struggles to keep calm as Yoon-sung addresses what she’s done. He warns her to forget what she’s just heard about Ra-on being in the palace, and to not speak a word of it to anyone.

A bit hysterically, the queen asks what he’ll do if she does tell, saying that nobody would believe his outlandish story about swapped babies. She’s outraged that he would dare blackmail her when he doesn’t even have evidence.

“And if that child did not die but is alive?” Yoon-sung asks. “Then will the story change?” The queen’s eyes widen in horror. Yoon-sung holds her gaze levelly.

Ra-on and Yeong sit in their hideaway, and she says regretfully that she didn’t want to make more trouble for him. He tells her not to say that: “Before you and I knew even each other, our fates had already been entangled. So do not be sorry, or hurt.”

Ra-on points out that it’s late and asks if he doesn’t need to return to his palace. Reluctant to leave, Yeong says that the night is cloudy and moonless: “How can I walk that dark path alone? So I will just stay a little longer, then go.”

They hold each other’s gazes for amoment, until she looks back down and Yeong says, “Several times a day, I imagine what might have been if we had met in different circumstances. At least while we are here right now, where nobody knows, let’s look at each other without thinking about it. Ra-on-ah.”

At her name, Ra-on looks up at him. And like that, they sit there for long moments staring into each other’s eyes. Yeong’s face softens and he smiles, saying, “Tonight, I think I will sleep deeply for the first time in a long while.”

The king sits alone at his desk in his dark room, and a shadowy silhouette appears in the door. This must be a dream: Hong Kyung-rae appears with sword in hand, zooming supernaturally toward the king and raising his weapon with a roar. The blade slashes downward, and the king gasps awake in a cold sweat.

He rocks back and forth and screams for the prime minister to be summoned, his panic spurring him to move up Hong’s interrogation.

This is a concern for the rebels, who’d planned on having more time before the jailbreak. Once Hong Kyung-rae is moved for the special investigation, it will be much harder to break him out. Head Eunuch Han tells Byung-yeon that he was one who had their mole killed in prison, and that despite working together for years, emotions are a luxury when considering the cause. Their priority now is to break out their leader from prison.

Eunuch Han tells Byung-yeon to have Ra-on dress in disguise and wait in front of the palace gates, so that both can be smuggled out together.

Yeong visits Hong Kyung-rae before his interrogation, and asks him to clarify his earlier statement about a leader being appointed by the people—did he mean that he wanted a puppet king who would listen to the people’s appeals? Hong says no.

Yeong states that he also wants politics to be for the people, but doesn’t see how the people could choose a king to rule over them. Hong Kyung-rae explains that what he and his followers want is not merely a politics that is for the people, but by the people. Royals must consider themselves the sun, he says, selected by the heavens—absolute and shining. But what he wants is different: a king of the people who considers himself equal to the people. That is to say, a king who is a person.

Yeong takes this in, and Hong notes the irony of a person who dreams of being a person.

Yeong asks, “But why do you think that getting rid of the king is the only method?” Hong answers, “Because there is no king who can lay everything down on his own. You and I, noblemen and butchers, girls and boys, traitor’s children and king’s descendants. If you were to become king, could you allow for them to be equals?”

That’s a lot for Yeong to chew on, and he remains pensive. As guards arrive to transport Hong, Yeong says, “A leader established by the people is not the only one who considers the people precious. How could someone who considers each and every citizen precious ever denigrate them as dogs or pigs?”

Yeong declares, “The world I dream of and the world you dream of are not different. The only thing is how far we are from it now. I will come see you after the interrogation. It’s possible we may be able to find it without shedding blood—that path where we match our steps, heading toward the world we both dream of.” Damn, he’s good with the inspiring speeches. Hong’s face remains impassive, but I dearly hope the words make an impression.

It’s time for the king’s special interrogation, and the mood is grave as the relevant parties make their way there—the king, his entourage, the Kim faction, the rest of the ministers, Yeong.

Still in her prison garb, Ra-on waits at the appointed spot… and then is grabbed from behind. Gack! Again?

The king arrives to preside over the proceedings, and falters at the sight of Hong Kyung-rae, despite the man being tied up and injured. Prime Minister Kim begins the questions by explaining the charge of treason, and asks Hong to acknowledge it. Hong says he does not.

Prime Minister Kim states that there is a witness who can testify to Hong’s crimes, and the bloodthirsty king demands that the torture begin. Yeong, Eunuch Han, and Byung-yeon wear looks of dismay at this escalation, and this is the moment that Ra-on is brought in, having been caught by royal guards. With horror on her face, she watches her father being branded with a hot iron.

Prime Minister Kim threatens to give the death penalty immediately if Hong continues to lie, and asks if he admits to stirring up a rebellion that cost thousands of lives. At that, Hong says that if they’re equating treason to mean that rebellion, then he does acknowledge it. Moreover, he says that his accomplices are here right now.

This declaration causes alarmed looks all around. Hong declares that they are the people in power who imposed extreme taxes upon the people, then claimed most of that for themselves and fattened their own bellies while watching their people starve. He says that he led those poor people who were sustained by dreams of a new world, but it was the king who destroyed their hopes and livelihoods.

The king leaps up in outrage, but Hong Kyung-rae just cuts him off: “I am confessing.” That’s a satisfying moment, given how long we’ve had to watch this king snivel. Hong requests that those culprits be given the same sentence of execution as he will be given: “At least that much must happen for the blood of thousands of peasants to be repaid.”

Infuriated, the king screams the order to behead Hong instantly, and soldiers comply by drawing their swords. Yeong jumps to his feet and begs the king to rescind his order. All eyes turn to them as Yeong presses his father to calm down, telling him that the sentence can be decided after the interrogation is completed. The king looks around uncertainly, out of his depth.

Prime Minister Kim interjects to say that Yeong has a different reason, and chides him for showing his emotions at an official interrogation of a state criminal. Then he announces that rumors are rampant that the prince has been secretly communicating with the traitor’s daughter.

This is news to many, including the king, who demands an explanation. The prime minister asks Yeong to confirm or deny the rumor.

That’s when the prime minister orders Ra-on brought in. She’s dragged to the center of the proceedings to kneel by her father, and the prime minister identifies her as the daughter in question. Prime Minister Kim demands an answer out of Yeong: Was this the spy, and did he harbor her because he was in love with her?

Hong Kyung-rae insists that the court hold him accountable for his crimes, not her, because he has never properly even met the girl, who has nothing to do with any of this.

Prime Minister Kim tells Yeong to prove that he did not conspire with the rebels—by slashing Ra-on’s throat right now.

All this while, Yeong has remained silent, trapped by his position and unsure how to save anyone. He’s frozen in his dilemma while the king barks at him to act, and when Yeong doesn’t reply, the king orders his men to strike anyway.

As the soldiers swing into action, all time slows down as everyone—Yeong, Byung-yeon, Eunuch Han, Ra-on—looks on helplessly. Sound fades away, and Ra-on thinks, addressing Yeong, “From this moment, do not love me. Please remember me only as a traitor’s daughter. I do not wish to leave you with the terrible anguish of not being able to protect the woman you love.”

Yeong clenches his fist, and Ra-on closes her eyes. The soldier raises his sword…

Yeong grabs for Byung-yeon’s sword to intervene, but he only gets it halfway out its sheath before something else happens—suddenly half of the soldiers turn on their own, cutting them down from behind. Aha, they must be the rebels, and the scene erupts into a loud clash that soon stalls in impasse.

Soldiers and rebels face off, swords drawn. It’s a little difficult knowing who’s on which side, and Yeong looks confused as he tries to make sense of things.

Byung-yeon positions himself in front of the prince protectively, sword drawn and facing the others, but as the impasse stretches on, a flurry of expressions fly across his conflicted face.

Finally, with a reluctant grimace, he whirls around—and holds his sword to Yeong’s neck. Mouths drop in shock.

Byung-yeon orders everybody to stand down if they want to save the prince’s life.

Yeong stares at his friend, struggling to register his betrayal. “Byung-yeon-ah,” he says.

COMMENTS

Nooooo, Byung-yeon, don’t you go breaking my heart too! *sniff* *choke* *wails* Life is hard enough without you turning on each other!

I do follow Byung-yeon in this moment, since the show has been building up this internal conflict for a long time, showing Byung-yeon caught between his loyalties to the cause and to his friend. It hurts not only because it’s a betrayal of Yeong, but because we had seen that all series long, when pressed Byung-yeon always chose the prince—not necessarily over the cause, but he seemed to be willing to compromise in the little moments. I do respect that unflinching lack of compromise displayed by men like Hong Kyung-rae and Head Eunuch Han, because great change needs leaders to hold steady and make sacrifices along the way, but I never saw Byung-yeon as that kind of person. I saw him more as the alternate version of Dad that Ra-on and her mother longed for, the man who could believe noble thoughts but live for his family’s happiness.

So it’s a meaningful shift to have him reach that rock-and-a-hard-place moment, and finally have to choose, and I can respect that he picked the cause despite looking a little like he hated himself for it. I do wish the show had spent a little more time building up Byung-yeon’s thought process so that this final switch had a little more narrative momentum, because while I understand intellectually exactly what happened, I didn’t really know why it happened now. It would have landed with more impact if something had happened to demonstrate just why he had to divorce himself from the idea that the prince was his friend; his traitor boss reminded him of that yesterday, but I didn’t really feel why that was true. I wish the show had pitted him in direct ideological conflict with Yeong, or forced his hand a different way that explained why he made this choice in this moment. Basically, if you’re going to rip my heart out, I want you to really do it good and proper—why leave it bruised when you could leave it shredded and bleeding?

(I’m still holding out for a last-minute revelation in the next episode to show us a twist, but for now, there’s nothing to do but go with what the show has shown us. My hope is alive, but knows better than to get too confident.)

I was dearly hoping today’s episode would be the turnaround that I was dying for, but found myself disappointed again by episode’s end. It’s not that the show logic-failed on me, or had characters acting out of character, or went off the rails—nothing so dire as that. But today kind of felt like every Episode 16 of every Joseon fusiony sageuk I’ve seen in the past six or seven years, and as such felt extremely paint-by-numbers: political machinations, claims of treason, noble victims, torture, prison, tribunals and interrogations and gloaty ministers. Basically, it made this drama feel ordinary, without the magic that has made this show so special in prior weeks.

That doesn’t mean this show has suddenly become bad, and as ever, the strong directorial hand really elevates things. The moment when all goes silent as Ra-on braces for death, and the vocals start in without instrumentation—that was a spine-tingly great beat. Any moment that hinged on strong emotional acting was well-executed (even when I didn’t like what was necessarily happening plotwise). Hong Kyung-rae’s righteous defense in the torture chair was another highlight, and part of why it was so effective for me was that it was a melding of the personal and the political, which is the best kind of political. (The rest of the political maneuvering was cold and strategic, and thus less compelling.) And it was definitely encouraging that Yeong found a common ground that nobody else could see, providing hope that where swords and coups and plots fail, his brains might succeed in finding a solution.

But even so, I feel like the dip is distinct and disappointing because the she show has spoiled me by always delivering at least one really rewarding emotional exchange or development per episode. It doesn’t matter if that gratification is happy or sad, since sadness can pull the heartstrings effectively when done well, but today it started feeling like we were spinning our wheels a bit. And I involuntarily laughed out loud when Yeong and Ra-on ran into each other again, despite the epic, tearful, final goodbyes they’d already exchanged multiple times. (Speaking of comical repetition, must we have Ra-on abducted from behind in every other episode? I love this girl as a person, but I am getting mighty exasperated with her role as a character; her narrative purpose has suffered greatly as the show has progressed, and now her narrative function is almost only ever bait, trap, or object of affection. I just want her to do something active again. I would even prefer her doing something careless or dangerous to doing nothing and getting bounced around as plot device, although really, those can’t be our only choices. Resourceful, witty, sly, stealthy, helpful—any of those things are vastly preferable.)

I’m bummed that this week killed some of that extra something special in my heart, because without that bit of magic, I feel like all the little flaws suddenly seem more jarring, more noticeable. There’s a Korean saying about how being in love is like having bean chaff lodged in your eyes, i.e., blinders on to flaws, and I feel like something this week pushed me past the tipping point and shook the bean chaff away, and it’s changed the way I look at the show a bit. I’m still clinging to my hopes as we head into the final week, because we’re so close to the end and I’d rather be optimistic about it reaching a satisfying conclusion. I’m looking forward to that happy ending we’re totally getting next week, where Yeong and Ra-on live blissfully together forever and the bad guys are punished and all of the happy relationships are restored. I will accept no other realities.

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1 Anh

October 11, 2016 at 8:44 PM

FINALLY, we have some proper conversation between Raon and Yeong, but could the puppies be more self-aware of how dangerous the situation is? For just the two of them walk from prison to Jahyeondang like that? I was screaming that someone bound to see them, seriously. And once again, we have our Moon Cloud metaphor, YeongOn little retreat from the real world just for a moment

Hayeon heartbreak after realisation was beautiful, just hope she does not turn to the dark side

Once again, Yonnsung proven to be at the right place, right time, just to spare Raon’s life a little longer.

Indeed, Gyeong Nae vision of the world and Yeong vision of the world is similar, where people can live as human beings, equally. Love that proposal from Yeong, maybe we can figure it all out without bloodshed and walk toward that dream country

Thumps up for papa Hong confession, that he admitted treason but his accomplices are the yangban and the King, whom cornered the commoners. He might not been a good father, but he wanted the better for his children, and he has good visions as a leader.

And I give probs to the actor that played King, because I was damn frustrated at the King, like srsly? U know Kim clan manipulate you, yet you call for PM Kim every single time you have nightmare or problem? Not gona consult your son or maybe call your in-law Jo for advise instead, how much you pressed for political support with that wedding yet you not gona rely/use it? Really wished that he could have gone on a long vacation or something, instead of letting his fear, anger, frustration consumed him and order those beheading commands

OMG!!! I CAN’T

I JUST CAN’T

That freaking banjun ending….

I thought Raon was dragged the magical Yoonsung but nooo, she was captured, guess she finally runs out of luck. And her inner monologue was damn sad. And is it just me that it seemed like Yeong had some back up plan? Because there’s that subtle change in his stare, like determine(?) or the you-think-I-cant-get-out-of-this look?, idk, just for a second, I thought Yeong would spill some dark secrets to resolve that big mess.

October 12, 2016 at 3:28 AM

That's actually pretty true!

There is no way that Yeong could possibly leave that scene w/out damaging himself - physically and politically. Whatever his intentions may be (though I feel like BY's actions always makes sense upon closer look), he shifted the court's judgments away from Yeong towards himself.

BY's act was already a sacrifice in itself for me. He may not have been physically hurt, but I think that he personally felt like he betrayed his own set of values and principles. You can heal your body, but it's harder to fix a broken relationship and spirit.

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ju

October 12, 2016 at 6:35 AM

Regarding the situation, I also think he made the right decision, the only one that would protect Ra-on and Yeong.

I don't think that there was really treason in his act, more like the last gift he could give to his friend while he is still able to do something to protect him. The situation was a mess and he took the decision to look bad in front of Yeong to save him. I am not worried, Yeong is smart, he will figure it out on his own.

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crazyahjummafan

October 12, 2016 at 6:51 AM

It'll probably prevent a bloodbath too.

memyselfandi

October 12, 2016 at 3:01 PM

I agree.

Joanne Smith

October 14, 2016 at 8:09 PM

Right on! Totally how I saw it.

yvette heffern

October 13, 2016 at 5:17 PM

My thoughts exactly! For me when Yeong said his name it felt more like " why are you taking the blame for me". He made it looked like he was the traitor so he can save both the CP, RO and Rebels. He sacrificed his self for a greater cause. Also I don't see the head eunuch as traitor. Infact all these time he's been protecting the prince. He had seen both sides.. the Evil clan, King side and the rebels and I think he sided with the rebels because just like what he said to BY, the kings he served are too weak and he had lost hope on them. Wasn't he the one who said when did Riot brought peace?

But for some reason I felt like this episode should have done on ep 14 or 15. And I was hoping that Yeong and RO's reunion could have been a little bit romantic. Like when they were talking in the attic. They could have at least hold each other's hands.

And this episode also reassures Yeong that RO is not a spy for the rebels...not that he ever doubted her sincerity.

I know for the Koreans viewers, following the historical facts is important but the PD of this drama emphasized from the start that this Drama is fictional. So I am really hoping that they clean up all the angst on the first 15 minutes of ep 17 and give us the magic that they've been giving us for the past 13 episodes. I am excluding the last 3.

I absolutely cannot accept any ending aside from CP and RO living happily ever after in the palace where their story began.

I agree. That's the most reasonable choice. The Palace people cannot afford CP to get hurt. If BY didn't do it, then CP will still be the one in a bad position to choose between RO and his opportunity to change Joseon

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Joy2

October 12, 2016 at 3:33 AM

I think (well, it's more of a wishful thinking! XD) that when Yeong heard Gyeong Nae's statement that a leader is someone chosen by the people, there was something in Yeong's eyes that hinted a glimpse of a plan (clever boy). And when he said that he will meet him after the interrogation to talk of a bloodless truce, he seems to already have thought of something...

And I hope that he plans to make the people choose a leader w/out him having to abdicate the throne...

by having the people choose his queen! XD I'm sure the people would be glad to be able to choose the Mother of The Nation. It's a win-win situation! (well, except for Choi Soo Bin's character)

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maryxiah

October 13, 2016 at 9:32 AM

I don't know. Yeong tends to be ambitious but so far we haven't seen him done anything solid to prove himself other than outwitting his enemies that wish to trap him. So when he said to Hong Kyung-rae he'd see him after the interrogation, I thought he simply meant to say he wish to continue the talk, doesn't look like he has any grand plan to save him.

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mehungie

October 13, 2016 at 7:47 PM

Yeong saying "see you after the interrogation" was the ultimate kdrama jinx against any chance of Hong Kyung Rae going back there whatsoever... I'm not even sure he'll make it out alive. The king was ready to kill him right away (urgh!). As reckless as it was for Ra On to go into the palace to meet Dad in this episode, that was probably her only chance to do so.

maryxiah

October 14, 2016 at 10:36 AM

Yeah, and since she's been really passive for the past 2 weeks, I kinda welcome this determination in her, at least she's doing something risky and worthwhile, instead of sitting around waiting to be kidnapped again.

Aigoooo

October 11, 2016 at 10:55 PM

I thought the reunion between Ra On and her Dad was very well done. Much more tear inducing than the bazillionth time Ra On and the CP reunited.

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maryxiah

October 13, 2016 at 9:36 AM

Haha. Again, if they didn't go through that silly dramatic separation yesterday, perhaps it'd have been really moving to see the OTP reunite. Also, the father and daughter never met (maybe they've spent times together before but she was too small to remember it) and converse, so the reunion is extra special for them, especially when he's locked up and they're powerless to do anything about it.

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 12:43 AM

"Hayeon heartbreak after realisation was beautiful, just hope she does not turn to the dark side"

I felt bad for her before, but today, she annoyed me greatly. I get that she's processing this information and probably had to nurse her broken heart as well, but when she tried to discredit the myth of the bracelet and implied that she's his wife now, I get annoyed. >_> Especially when she went into the garden when Yeong asked her not to. Come on, that's invasion girl!

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mehungie

October 12, 2016 at 7:23 AM

I didn't take it as she tried to discredit the myth of the bracelets at all, but I'm watching it with English subtitles so it's possible that my interpretation is off.

I think she was simply trying to lighten up the mood in that conversation. She knew the meaning behind the bracelets, and she knew Yeong was in pain, so she tried to come up with a white lie to ease Yeong's mind. Both she and Yeong knew that attempt didn't work. But, you know, we don't reach up our hands thinking we will touch the sky.

I wasn't sure what to make of her garden "invasion" but it didn't annoy me at all. I was actually appalled when Yeong requested that of her. Coming from Ha Yeon's point of view, she had no reasonable explanation to be treated so curtly like that.

I guess Ha Yeon had really won me over after her scene with her dad last episode (probably because I'm also a daddy's girl). I'm #teamHaYeon through and through, not in the sense that I ship her with Yeong, just that I sympathize with her hardship and I root for her happiness. She had done nothing wrong to deserve her miserable fate. It's just something she was born into, like the rest of our youngins. I would love for her to become on friendlier terms with Yeong. She's a perfectly intelligent and reasonable person, and I truly think she can be his good ally in the palace.

This is the first time ever I got the Second Female Lead Syndrome, and I love Moonlight all the more for it!

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 8:27 AM

Maybe discredit is too strong of a word, call its bluff then? For someone who knows perfectly well her feelings aren't returned, and the man in question already told her so and warned her, I kinda wish she won't be delusional anymore. Yeong admitted he has someone he loves, and I don't think she should be surprised, even if the girl in question was his eunuch. Regarding the invasion, Princess Myung-eun did tell her that's the place where Yeong likes to be alone, regardless of the real significance of that place to Yeong, when he asked her not to come into the place anymore, I expect her to respect his wish. I genuinely come to like her as a character and wish for her happiness, but I don't want her to expect Yeong to return her feelings and hope for something more simply because they made the "deal".

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celine

October 12, 2016 at 7:12 PM

For Hayeon's sake and her heart, I wish she'd just treat this as a deal which is exactly what she said to Yeong. Attempting to or seeking for something more, even as simple as have him look her way/have her noticed by him, is only going to crush her and she's already crushed because boy is only looking at one woman. I think now what she's doing is just self-induced pain. Yeong was crystal clear from the beginning. She knows what she's getting into and agreed to it wholeheartedly because it's for her family and she thought down the line something may change in Yeong which I hope by now is clear to her that it won't happen.

maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 7:30 PM

That's the thing I really hate about dramaland characters, why is it so hard to accept that no means no? If this is in real life, I'd get embarrassed by the rejection and retreat to a corner.

mehungie

October 13, 2016 at 1:35 PM

Yeong didn't take Ra On's no as no for an entire episode and we didn't mind ;) It just has to be the right character being persistent to make viewers happy, right?

@Celine Agreed on Ha Yeon is causing herself pain at this point. Hopefully that scene in the forbidden garden marked the end of it, and she would just move on as an ally instead of lingering hope. If only pesky feelings can be gotten rid of that cleanly, ever.

maryxiah

Bubblegum

October 14, 2016 at 1:12 AM

@yvette same thoughts! I honestly don't find her agreement to the marriage SUPER sacrificial because a big part of it is also for herself. She wants to have him. And there's this happy glint in her eyes when she saw that the bracelet was off.

mehungie

October 15, 2016 at 11:26 PM

I went back to watch the scene, I'd say the look in her eyes when she noticed the bracelet missing was a mix of surprise and worry. The only happy glint I could see was in a flashback scene right then.

Her entering the garden did stand out as an odd scene. It didn't bother me at first but you guys' reasoning all makes sense. Hopefully there's a good explanation coming up for it next week.

She knows she has no chance to win his heart. She even knew who were the owner of each bracelet, but perhaps she couldn't bring herself to put two and two together until it was widely known that eunuch Hong was a girl. The marriage means she signed up to be neglected for life. She even knew she needed to mask her feelings for him to make him consider it. Though she doesn't realistically have any other option at this point, she's still willingly putting herself through uncalled for hardship for the sake of Yeong.

As for her silly speech on how she's already treated as a crown princess, maybe that's another kdrama jinx and we won't have to deal with that marriage. Maybe that's why it was in the talks for so many episodes but never made progress, gah. The nice thing is Papa Jo had already gotten our Crown Prince's back lately, so Ha Yeon had already done her deeds for him.

I can't believe how much I've written about her already lol. For how much she's counted on Ra On as a friend/counselor, I hope we'll get to see Ha Yeon return the favor next week.

Ajusshi

October 19, 2016 at 3:30 AM

You are so right... and RO specifically sanctioned her "contract" - since she couldn't be with Yeong. Sorry but the previous episode (15) was very poor, it was generic sageuk and missed too many opportunities to have RO do something active; it even missed perfect opportunities to have a moving emotional scene with Yeong that would not only be spine tingly but develop our insight into their love. Like an earlier contributor, I am beginning to feel this has fizzled out and the ending will fail to be truly inspirational or satisfy.

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stuffed

October 12, 2016 at 12:54 AM

I'm wondering when this king will die since on the other side we have 2 kings dead already ?
It's a wonder how he's still alive being that paranoid. I guess being useless works wonders ?

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 1:20 AM

Because on the other side, they're a family of manipulative conniving people, who are ready to throw each other off the cliff just to get to the throne. But here the king is without siblings to take the throne, and his son loves him to death, his only problem is the people and his ministers, but despite their whole grand plans, no one manage to overthrone him yet. King Sunjo FTW!

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celine

October 12, 2016 at 7:15 PM

And Yeong is not one to kill his father just because he is ineffectual. And Yeong himself is not greedy to take the throne. He offered help to his father which of course Dad, being deranged and all, did not take up and still seeks Premier Kim's help. Aigoo.

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maryxiah

October 13, 2016 at 9:48 AM

Yeong is not one to kill ANYBODY. He isn't greedy for the throne because no one is fighting him for it, even with the birth of the new prince, he's still the one in line for the throne. He's been raised comfortably as the crown prince, so I get why he's full of ideals and dreams for the nation but lack of a sense of reality, that's why people like Teacher Dasan and Hong Kyung-rae influence him a lot, because he hasn't been exposed to their experience and thoughts as the people/commoner. I like it when he learn life-long lessons from them and mature along the way, Yeong is such an inspirational character.

Anh

celine

October 12, 2016 at 7:17 PM

Yeong will pull a Kang Chul and will refuse the fate of death. He will prove fate and all face readers that his destiny does not lie on his features, but on his decisions and actions.

maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 7:33 PM

But even Kang Chul couldn't change the law of the universe (in manhwa) and someone had to die in order for him to achieve his happy ending, I hope that won't be the case in Moonlight, I'd hate to see any one of them die.

celine

October 12, 2016 at 8:58 PM

Oh damn... but... well the only reason why Dad and KC were tied together was because Dad gave his face to the villain and the villain and the main character are linked. If the same case is to be used here, if Yeong lives, the villains die. No one else. Yes. This is what I will believe in. LOL

maryxiah

October 13, 2016 at 9:54 AM

You brought up a good point about being under Qing's control, I totally forgot about that. Maybe that's why nobody dared to overthrown the king yet for this very reason, they wouldn't want to upset the relationship between both countries and launch a war.

We can only hope the king will honor his word, to be Yeong's father and support him in times of need, step down from the throne and let Yeong be the king. That way, we can see him fully reform the court and the system, maybe even pardon the rebels and finally allow the changes to be made so he can make Ra-on his queen consort.

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3 maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 8:46 PM

Umm… ok. Wow. I need to gather my thoughts and umm… put them into coherent words. Still angsty episode, but with heavier political machination and rebel plot, which I totally welcome because it’s been long time coming and I wanted this to come sooner, but not at the expense of our OTP’s relationship development. Because this show has been great establishing their relationship/love beyond puppy love and first love, we come to see how much their love blossomed into mutual understanding and deep connection, and we identified with their pain and longing to be together. Funny how this show completely shed its youth sageuk image, I don’t think I’m watching teenage love story anymore, I’m completely invested in the future these kids pave on their own.

October 11, 2016 at 9:02 PM

you must have a lot to say on this episode :)

I understand BY action though, that is the way to minimise damage from both party. But I do want our 3 musketeers to work together and solve this mess

that sarang and yeonmu also pipped my interest, is it because it's her monologue that it's easier to use sarang?(like grammar and speech rule or something) or is there something to that?

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Sancheezy

October 11, 2016 at 9:07 PM

as I know yeonmu is the speech of palace, the words the royalty used back in the day,
they don't use sarang but Ra-on is a commoner so she used the word

*please correct me if I am wrong

maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 9:07 PM

Anh, I was actually drawing blank when I first watched this episode, I felt disconnected. But when I watch the second time, all came rushing to me and I still have a lot to say, lol. I'm refraining.

maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 9:49 PM

I might be reading too much into it, but when she said 사랑 instead of 연모, I felt weird, lol. Like so out of place.

Sancheezy

October 11, 2016 at 9:04 PM

I think this all summed into
reality (ofc the era) vs the expectation (of people from this era)
and
young life vs mature life

there's a reason why history repeated themselves, it mainly because not many people believed what happen outside the era they are living,
the mutual understanding of yeong and ra-on happen without weight from other things but when the scale is wider, it becomes harder,
what ra-on said becomes reality and we also believe in yeong's dream

I was reading something yesterday that said
being grown up is like grows taller enough to reach the cookie jar, found it was empty

the cookie jar is always on the table, we just never had to pay the responsibility or faced the real reason on why the cookie is in the jar
so it's really growing up stories when teens face the reality that it's hard, reality has bills, before and today

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maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 9:34 PM

Mhm, I get what you mean, which is unusual, because no offense, sometimes I couldn't understand what you type, lol. It's a shame that the kids are learning the reality in a hard way, dashing all their hopes and dreams at the same time, but I'm still hoping for them to weather this together.

Sancheezy

October 11, 2016 at 10:02 PM

@marryxiah
yeah T.T . . . I typed in rush a lot of time, with phone, in between real life conversation so I acknowledge that it hardly makes sense after I read it the second time,

maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 10:04 PM

No, no. I totally understand, it's hard to type over the phone, which is why I always comment on this site whenever I'm in front of the computer.

Natalia Kamarudin

October 12, 2016 at 2:27 AM

wow thank you for taking the time to write this all out. Felt the same way and at some points I felt like I'm able to view certain aspects of the drama better. Nodding all the way. And yes what is wrong with HY invading CP's privacy as she always does and trespassing the garden even after being told sternly not to. gosh.

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jaesukisourgod

October 11, 2016 at 8:58 PM

every word <3

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maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 8:59 PM

"And I involuntarily laughed out loud when Yeong and Ra-on ran into each other again, despite the epic, tearful, final goodbyes they’d already exchanged multiple times."

Exactly, it wasn't played out for comedy, but I felt embarrassed for them! How awkward is this when they had the tearful goodbye just yesterday!

(Speaking of comical repetition, must we have Ra-on abducted from behind in every other episode? I love this girl as a person, but I am getting mighty exasperated with her role as a character; her narrative purpose has suffered greatly as the show has progressed, and now her narrative function is almost only ever bait, trap, or object of affection. I just want her to do something active again. I would even prefer her doing something careless or dangerous to doing nothing and getting bounced around as plot device, although really, those can’t be our only choices. Resourceful, witty, sly, stealthy, helpful—any of those things are vastly preferable.)"

Yeah, I thought ep. 12 might be a turning point for her, because she was the first to find out about her identity, and I was hoping she'd take the wheel for her own fate. I mean, I get why she had to resort to doing all the things she did, I just don't get why she lost sight of herself. Where did that spunky, resourceful girl in ep 1 go?

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kayak

October 11, 2016 at 9:20 PM

Ha, I wonder if they were more embarrassed meeting (a day?) after that dramatic bracelet cutting scene.

It reminded me of this meme:
https://memegenerator.net/instance/61381079

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maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 9:27 PM

Haha! Thanks for the meme, Kayak. I need a dose of laughter after today's episode. My head hurts.

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maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 9:06 PM

The political heavy episode made me find humor in their conversation to get rid of the dull:

Yeong met Ra-on’s father: Seja jeoha, meet your future father-in-law. Hong ajusshi, meet your future son-in-law.

Yeong told Ra-on’s father he lost something precious because of him: No, no, jeoha. Don’t be rude to him. He’s your future father-in-law.

Ra-on’s father said that the leader must be chosen by the people: Wow, democracy in Joseon?

Yeong said Ra-on should meet the person she miss: Well, at least YOU get to see the person you miss.

Yeong met Ra-on for the first time after yesterday’s breakup scene: Well, this is awkward.

Yeong met Ra-on’s father again: Seja jeoha, Teacher Dasan was just a tester, this is the real deal. Better appeal to your girl’s father.

October 11, 2016 at 9:29 PM

Me too, Celine! I love it when they do scenes like this. Why couldn't the breakup scene ends amicably like this?! It wasn't so hard right? And I love how Yeong appealed to Ra-on that they stay in that moment while it lasts, because life is short, we need every minute we have!

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Maria

October 12, 2016 at 5:22 AM

Am I the only one who thought that Séjà Jeoha meant something more intimate than just looking at each other while "hidden from the world in that room?" Especially when he looked at her full of longing and then smiled and said, " I can finally sleep well tonight?" :):):)

maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 8:28 AM

Haha, revive of thrist squad even in the midst of angsty episode.

Sancheezy

October 11, 2016 at 9:47 PM

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( ｡--_--｡) ( ≡_≡; )
(⁄ ⁄•⁄_⁄• ⁄) ( ゜□゜ ○)
＼( ◑ _◑ )＿＿( ◐ _◐ )⁄
_( ◐#◐ )人( ◑ ¬ ◑ )_

*me ↁ_ↁ
（　(≪●≫)　）Д（　(≪●≫)　） (I am watching you . . . )
how I see the scene

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maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 9:50 PM

Eww, creepy eyes Sancheezy! LOL.

stuffed

October 12, 2016 at 12:58 AM

@Sancheezy.. you and your emojis ???
Keep 'em coming please

rentenmann

October 12, 2016 at 8:05 AM

Your creativity with these emojis is out-of-this-world awesome! I look for them now. ?

Quillene Petite

October 12, 2016 at 6:25 PM

love the graphics!

Mihanhni

October 11, 2016 at 11:16 PM

perhaps because the romance is kinda like W? not sure. or the lines uttered all sound a bit lifeless and monotone? i'm sure it was meant to show poise and depression. it sure is depressing. i miss seeing kyj's smile.

on another note, i understand where raon was coming from wanting to see her father for the first time, perhaps last time. but has she ever thought that it could also mean her mother losing both her husband and her child at the same time? or did she think the chances of her getting caught was low enough to risk that?

also, where is the little princess? i hope she's not just another plot device.

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Catgirl

October 11, 2016 at 9:27 PM

I find it weird that Eunuch Han agreed to let Ra-On see her father in prison. I mean, if he has this grand plan to rescue her father from prison and let him out, couldn't he just tell Ra-On to wait?

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Sancheezy

October 11, 2016 at 9:31 PM

tbh I think Eunuch han capable of something more,
he killed the traitor and he lets Ra-on inside, he is making himself more like a villain days after days

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lizzieb

October 11, 2016 at 10:16 PM

Yeah. What's deal with this Eunuch Han dude. I'm never too sure when it comes to him. So he may have agreed to do that on purpose. If not, then it would have to be that the show had to dig a plot hole to make sure Ra On is present when all of that went down in the palace.

Catgirl

October 12, 2016 at 12:09 AM

Seeing him reminded me of the conversation Yeong and Teacher Dasan had before. Is he fighting for a change or to win? He should've seen that Yeong has a potential of becoming a good King, but he never seem to acknowledge it.

Mihanhni

October 11, 2016 at 11:24 PM

I was wondering the same thing too.

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 12:05 AM

He probably didn't want to give her false hope because a plan is still only a plan, who knows they might not make it out alive, and if they were to die in the palace, Ra-on would never have a chance to meet her father.

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Catgirl

October 12, 2016 at 12:12 AM

But letting Ra-On in means his work just got doubled, right? The whole palace is literally looking for her. So he now need to break a man out of prison AND smuggle them both out of the palace. Safely. With only 10 men.

maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 12:39 AM

The whole palace started looking for her because the minister recognized her and found out she sneaked into the palace. Ra-on was pretty adamant to see her father, so I think Eunuch Han just wanted to let them meet up in case anything go haywire, he couldn't have predicted Ra-on would expose herself so quickly in the process.

KSR was really good at MOTW. the drama has it flaws and all, but I think her acting (and YSY's) was one of the strongest points of the drama.

ara2

October 12, 2016 at 5:23 AM

The only problem I have with KYJ (and in fact many other actress) are the eyes..in quiet scene her eyes move a lot..like down..right..left. Everytime. Compare that with PBG eyes acting. His eyes project his thinking, emotion. Just look at the final scene starting from PM Kim is accusing him being chummy with rebel's daughter up till the end. There are a LOT of different eyes acting.
Having said that, KYJ is still way above many actress older than her. I first watched her in TMETS and since then being a fan of her acting. Here hoping she will improve more in her quiet scene and grow to be the best actress in future.

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jaesukisourgod

October 12, 2016 at 10:07 AM

yeah, I think the quiet scenes are her weakest point too. and, as I said, having PBG right by her side doesn't help because that's exactly HIS strongest point.

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TrueBlue

October 12, 2016 at 6:30 AM

I agree. KYJ is extremely good and she will be hard to match, but I choke that up to being 17 and just not having had the life experiences to draw from. Her acting is extremely skilled; it's just not nuanced. When she's lone, this is not very noticeable but when she's in the same as PBG, it does become very apparent.

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Bubblegum

October 13, 2016 at 4:17 AM

Funny how in the comment section we have such contradicting opinions on KYJ's acting.

For me, I think that her eyes could have been rolling a little too much in this episode, but other than that, she portray the emotions so well through her eyes. I don't think the crying scenes are shallow at all. I find KSH not very likable as I didn't even enjoy her acting in METS so I won't even bother to compare the two of them. I won't even use KYJ's age to fault her, because that would put a lot of older actresses to shame.

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maryxiah

October 13, 2016 at 10:17 AM

The only thing I find fault with is she restrained too much. I don't know if maybe the character is written as such? Park Bo-gum expresses everything on his face, like confusion, anger, disbelief, exasperation, longing and etc. It's not that I don't get what kind of emotions Yoo-jung is potraying, but I feel like she suppressed Ra-on's emotions. When Eunuch Han was talking to her about the prince being too sick after her departure and to cut her feeling loose, I kind of expected her to cry a little, if not burst into tears, but I only see a little tears welled up in her eyes. And that happens a little too often.

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celine

October 13, 2016 at 7:53 PM

I'm with you on this. I did feel that in the recent episodes KYJ's acting is restrained, but I do not really mind it because I'm thinking she's probably written to react this way. Since leaving the palace she's been trying hard to keep her cool and suppress emotions, which she did splendidly last week that when she finally broke down, I felt all her bottled up emotions. I do wish to see more of her emotions when she's alone. She can be totally restrained in front of others since she is trying to put up a front, but when alone, I was hoping to see her show more.

I hate to compare because I love both PBG and KYJ and they have their individual strengths and styles, but when PBG is alone, I just feel the longing from him. It emanates from his eyes and his features. I don't get as much from KYJ. Again, she could really be told to restrain. We don't know for sure. Nonetheless, KYJ is an excellent actress given her young age.

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maryxiah

October 14, 2016 at 10:54 AM

Yeah, I totally dig the part where she burst into tears by the lake, because I understand that she suppressed much of her emotions, and when Yoon-sung asked her to cry freely, she was allowed to express that sadness. But then she went back to restraining herself, I couldn't help but to compare Park Bo-gum and Kim Yoo-jung because during the one scene they shared in Ep.16, when she told Yeong not to be shaken by any news of her, I could totally see the confusion and the hurt in Yeong's eyes and he didn't even well up in tears! I guess I'm so greedy for wanting to see more nuances of facial expression on her.

Bubblegum

I can't believe we only have two episodes left! But I'm mostly just frustrated at how obnoxiously incompetent this king is. I wonder where he would rank in the contest of incompetent kings in kdramas.

That last scene was such an amazing cliffhanger! It's going to be crazy to see how it unfolds and if everyone can come out okay. I really hope that Byeong Yeon has a good plan for turning against Yeong like that, especially in front of everyone!

Please let our two lovebirds end up together!!

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michykdrama

October 12, 2016 at 3:28 AM

Yes. yes yes. I wanted to behead the King. If only to stop him from blurting out useless and stupid things... He was SO ANNOYING.

He needs to take a Valium (sedative) STAT.

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Gian

October 12, 2016 at 7:04 AM

They may not have had Valium back in the day. :) Maybe they could find some valerian root. :)

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Laila

October 12, 2016 at 9:51 AM

October 12, 2016 at 7:23 PM

YS seemed to have made peace with his feelings for Raon. I got the sense after that crying scene by the lake that he finally understood that there's no going back Raon in terms of her love for Yeong. He may still harbor feelings for her, but I doubt he'll actively present himself as a rival and will only love her on his own. This I think is sad. Someone give YS an awesome lady!

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 7:36 PM

I volunteer as a tribute.

Catgirl

October 12, 2016 at 12:20 AM

OH NO. but he/she must have learned from that, right? Please?

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celine

October 12, 2016 at 7:30 PM

Yeah. We've just reached that point in a sageuk where the focus is on the politics. I'm actually happy that it's happening now that we're ending. I don't think I would enjoy the show if it started earlier and was the focus of the show because the strength of this show is not on the politics but on the characters and their relationships. The politics is nice as it adds conflict, but should not be the focus in my opinion. However, now that we are nearing the end, it's about time.

It seems the new definition of DRAGGY now is ANGSTSY and lack of OTP moments. Sigh!

Just please support the assertion with supporting evidence to validate that it is draggy and boring.

I consider myself a normal person and the last two episodes left me emotionally gutted.

Ohhhh, I love him in I Remember You, his affection for Seo In-guk was so heart warming in that drama. I cried everytime he smiles over his brother's signs of affection. The bromance in that drama does it more for me than the romance.

Anh

October 13, 2016 at 7:02 PM

It's one of the rare drama where we get our doses of bromance, not in subtle or bits and pieces but pouring bromance. And the bromance is not forced or awkward.
The romance is alright too, I like the strong female lead, she can handle stuffs herself.
I want more SIGxPBG bromance in future xD

celine

October 13, 2016 at 7:56 PM

I am in dire NEED of PBG and SIG together on my screen stat. I love them both and they are both such puppies and excellent actors. They need to reunite.

maryxiah

October 14, 2016 at 11:01 AM

Me too! Is is crazy that I think they resemble each other a lot, so convincing as brothers! The scene where they reunited in I Remember You remains one of my most loved scenes in K-drama, I cry like a baby everytime I re-watch it on youtube.

Min: You didn't even recognize me.
Hyun: I thought you might have...
Min: Were you hoping I was dead?
Hyun: No! It's not like that, Min.
Min: You didn't even recognize me.
Hyun: Right.

Anh

October 14, 2016 at 5:46 PM

You're not the only one, that scene got me sobbing so hard.
Like I'm glad they finally clear out the secret, but by doing that, their time together was numbered. And the OST for them is just sooo heart-wrenching. Tho I thought the singer was a guy but nope.

The lives of those 3 were just too unfortunate, since I loved the one time when 3 of them worked together to rescue Ji-an. It was like their thoughts were on the same wavelength, completing each other's sentences.

I want PBGxSIG to reunite in a drama that none of them get hurt, just full of fluff and rainbow xD

maryxiah

October 14, 2016 at 8:19 PM

Yeah, I thought the singer was a guy too, so imagine my shock to find out he was a she. And I didn't know the OST was for the bromance, it wasn't until I saw a video clip on youtube with that song that I realized it was Min's longing for Hyun to remember him. Love.that.song.

11 Sancheezy

October 11, 2016 at 8:54 PM

in this bruised chest, the memories are flowing
even though I try to hold on to them, even if I blocked my chest,
they all* slip through my finger

*my feeling/the memories
nb: Baek Ji Young - like being hit by a bullet

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12 celine

October 11, 2016 at 8:54 PM

Well sh*t just got real. And we only have two episodes left.

All I'm saying is no one better die among the five because ughhh this is too much.

Kim Hyung, I believe in you!!!!!!!

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maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 9:51 PM

Not my Kim Hyung, please dramagods. I love him to death!

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13 kayak

October 11, 2016 at 8:54 PM

Bah. When will the good guys get to win a little?

I think I liked this episode a bit more than yesterday's but I am still worried that we are so close to the end and we will be subject to epic hand-waving and dropped threads (the little Princess and what she knows about the Prime Minister for example). Plus we have yet another episode with one of the Crown Prince's beloved people breaking his heart. Between the Head Eunuch's "I killed My Friend the Traitor, I can cut you too" threats and how Byung Yeon now looks like a traitor to CP, at this point BY is at the top of my death pool.

I also agree with Javaneans about being frustrated with what is being done to Ra-On's character. She was a love counselor and definitely not trained as a fighter like her dad but come on, where did the charming, clever girl with street smarts go? How had you not died years earlier? I totally get her wanting to see her dad but she was conspicuous on the palace grounds and again gets taken while lingering around. You are better than that Ra-On!

But what I did get to appreciate was the mirroring of Ra-On's first imprisonment scene and CP again trapping himself so he just spend time near her. And the new platonic dynamic of RO and CP on the palace grounds felt well done; the protective bubble of the Eunuch-Crown Prince relationship had to be lost but seeing the difference made me miss the Palace hijinks of the earlier episodes.

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 9:47 AM

"Bah. When will the good guys get to win a little?"

In the last episode? Lol. Seriously, I can't wrap my head where they're taking us with the story right now. I want the good guys to win too, but I want them to win as a group, i.e. three musketeers.

I'm frustrated with Ra-on's character too. Do we really need to see her gets kidnapped or threatened in some ways every week? I know she's in no place to be assertive or bad ass in the palace, but now that she's out of the palace, I was kinda hoping to see some of her bubbly character, but then she went back straight to the palace and get into yet another problem. I miss the spunky and lively Ra-on.

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14 Sancheezy

October 11, 2016 at 8:55 PM

they said Yeong's version/Chiyeol version of Because I miss You as the last song of the drama,
but every time I heard the song, sometimes it's sounds like missing someone who is no longer there,
someone who isn't there anymore

Will the clouds and the moonlight show my heart?
I’m hiding under a faded wall
= so the one who sings can't show his heart anymore

Even the nameless wild flowers are always together
So why am I shedding tears by myself?
= they aren't together at the present time

**I miss you, I miss you so much, I can’t ever forget you
My tears, my heart is calling you
= they can't forget the person they can't meet

***I love you, I love you so much, I can’t ever let you go
I’m lost behind you
So I’m only crying
= that person left him and he can't do anything to brings her back

The flaps of your clothes fly before my eyes
I go back with only my heart in my arms
= she is leaving and he is staying

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***

Only one person for me
Into countless memories
= she is the only but it's all in memory??
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My love

I love the song but every time I heard the lyric, it means something that passed away,
maybe I over analysing but seriously this song is sad in a personal level

October 11, 2016 at 9:08 PM

THIS

That last scene didn't play to me as a betrayal. That was Kim Hyung trying to protect Yeong and Ra-on. Yeong was outright accused of treason, but that will now be deflected thanks to KH's actions. I didn't read it as a face-heel turn on his part.

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risa

October 12, 2016 at 12:41 AM

That was my assumption, too-- after Yeong said "Byung-yeon-ah", I half-expected BY to say "you mean Kim Hyung" under his breath, as a way of telegraphing his intentions. My assumption isn't based so much on their eye contact as it is on my gut feeling that BY would lay down his life to protect Yeong and Ra-on. (But it won't come to that, right?!)

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Sancheezy

October 11, 2016 at 9:11 PM

I agree, that's the middle ground to save Ra-on but sadly, we need sacrifices Byung Yeon,
probably not in yeong's mind but in everyone's mind

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Chandler

October 11, 2016 at 9:50 PM

THANK YOU. This is exactly what I thought. The way he was glancing between Ra-on & Yeong, I could tell he was trying to find a way to help them. Him turning on Yeong throws everything into flux again and makes it far less easy to claim that Yeong is guilty of communicating with the rebels. He pretty much found a chance to do one last thing for him and I'm glad that when he finally blew his cover, he actually had a meaningful impact. What sucks is that Byung-yeon IS actually working with the rebels, which has me fearing for how Yeong will handle everything.

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alsf

October 11, 2016 at 10:42 PM

I like this:

"I’m glad that when he finally blew his cover, he actually had a meaningful impact."

So true. Well, it certainly seems like it should have a meaningful impact.

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celine

October 12, 2016 at 7:34 PM

THIS so much! /cries

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bmore

October 11, 2016 at 10:26 PM

I agree. That was my first thought and all the facial expressions they were both making looked like they were having an internal conversation about it too. I was so surprised to see everyone thinking BY was really threatening the Prince. guess we will have to wait for next week to find out who is right.

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Aigoooo

October 11, 2016 at 11:11 PM

He took control of the situation. He knows he's not going to harm the Crown Prince but nobody else knows that. I hope his bluff pays off.

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dilemmacan'tdecideaname

October 11, 2016 at 11:41 PM

I think so. I think he wanted to save Ra-on.

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16 Quillene Petite

October 11, 2016 at 9:00 PM

There is just no peace to be had for YeongOn.

I was screaming Nooooo, when BY pulled out the sword. I was thinking there was no way this was a planned move between Yeong and BY because the whole of the court and the king were there.

The king has finally cracked and there is no hope left for him. I just wish that he would turn to his only saving grace, his one and only son, the CP this time. It's time he showed trust in his own family.

Why does he keep clinging to Kim Inc.?

With only 2 more episodes to go, I wonder if the mystery of Yeong's mother's death will still come to light through our little princess.

Minister Kim Dumb and Dumber get on my nerves every single time. I give the actors props for making me feel like smashing my screen whenever they're on.

Thanks for the recap! :)

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19 LucyLo

October 11, 2016 at 9:01 PM

Thanks for the recap! I have to say that I didn't realize it until now how much I wish that Ra On was a little more bad-ass a la "Mulan" and little less helpless. I mean, not that she's completely helpless, I guess I was so caught up in all their puppy-loving ways that now I realize she doesn't have more of her dad's revolutionary umph. Maybe it's just that I was hoping for a little more kick-assery from her.

Still great episode overall and I can't wait until their really reunited, no holds-bar love-fest.

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LucyLo

October 11, 2016 at 9:05 PM

*they're

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Claudia

October 11, 2016 at 9:16 PM

Totally agree!!! More badass. Smarter! And loyal to yeong. " I'll never let go of your hand" come onnn!!!

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 9:50 AM

Maybe not badass, but definitely something along the line "I will never let go of your hand, jeoha."

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celine

October 12, 2016 at 7:40 PM

I'm just sad that all the promises she made in the past seem... I dunno. I replayed all those scenes when she made her promises and asked Yeong to promise her to not let go and... /sigh Nonetheless, I know for a fact she loves Yeong so so much, so no real damage there. lol

Like, I really truly get that she loves him to death and wants him to be safe and live long and not be beaten down by the enemies, but I still think her actions to get to the separation were not the best she could have done.

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 8:26 PM

I kinda wish they didn't make show us the backhug scene where she promised she'd never let go, because now she seems like the kind of person that breaks promises. Yeong on the other hand, actively tries to fulfill all of his promises to her, like treating her preciously, shield her from sun and rain, and never let go (until she decided to force the word out of him by pulling a knife out). And now we see a vast difference in their characters, and I don't like how it makes Ra-on seem unworthy of Yeong, because I really love them as a pairing and I do get that Ra-on loves him very much too, as evident when she mourned for her lost love by the lake.

Chandler

October 11, 2016 at 10:07 PM

Well, what bums me out is that she wasn't always this helpless. She was so resourceful & quick on her feet in the beginning. I don't need her to be a fighter, per se, but maybe use her street smarts and ghost-writing skills more? Because she definitely has them. But it's like the more serious things get & the higher the stakes, the less she tries to look for a clever way out.

Then again, she's had no one in her life to prepare her for all these recent revelations so I find it hard to hold it completely against her. She was just a traveling performer after all and didn't really run into serious danger until she got close with the CP.

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celine

October 11, 2016 at 10:53 PM

Exactly my thoughts too. While I would have wanted Raon to be more active, what else is there for her to do? She's being hunted (and now finally caught).

She lived a simple but happy life back when she was with the performers and was some kind of a love expert. No danger in her horizon. However, upon being sold as a eunuch and being entangled with Yeong in the palace, which is not the most ideal place for a lady pretending to be a man, she had to be cautious. It's like the palace sucked the life out of her.

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Suyeon

October 12, 2016 at 6:47 AM

Pretty much this. Yes, we all know she's intelligent and can be savvy, but sometimes... when you get thrown more than a few curve balls, all those smarts fly out the window. We may want her to be Mulan-like, but she simply has no power to exercise such abilities given her situation.

She has a lose-lose situation...
- Dad is a traitor and for the longest while was presumed dead.
- Even before he came back, she was always living a life on the run. It's only recently that she understands why. She was never given a proper explanation for living as a male, why she and her mother were always on the run... nothing. Her resourcefulness came from not having the whole picture and she had only one job: be a man and don't reveal your real name.
- That's hard enough when you're living as a commoner; good luck when you find yourself in the royal court and are only alive due to oversight and having friends in the right places.
- Being in court and becoming one of the Prince's people made things much more precarious on all fronts. She's no longer just a traitor's daughter; she's a traitor's daughter whose involvement with the prince can mean his end as well. She'd rather be the collateral damage than to see him struck down.

We might not care for the politics and machinations, etc. but it's been a long time coming and has always been in the background, waiting to rear it's ugly head. It's simply unavoidable when half of your OTP is royalty. Hopefully the loose ends get tied up within these last 2 hours cause that's a lot of ground to cover: former Queen's death, Princess Yeongeun knowing about the cover-up, Prince trying to wrestle control back from the Kims, saving Raon and her family, Kim Hyung (will he be the scapegoat?), Hayeon (they're treating her as Crown Princess, but will it be made official?), the baby princess (will Yoonsung reveal that can of worms or make the Queen pull some strings so things can be resolved between our 3 musketeers?)... Call it blasphemy, but I think they probably could have benefited from an extension cause they'll have to bum rush through all of that and keep some semblance of coherency (and hopefully deliver a satisfying conclusion).

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LucyLo

October 12, 2016 at 12:50 PM

Yeah... you're right actually. Well said.

And on the extension - you're double right. It probably would have even allowed her to become a little more fierce, developed the character that Ra On has the potential to be.

Sigh, here's hoping for the best two hours of K-drama history.

20 Lessa

October 11, 2016 at 9:02 PM

???? then ????? some ???!? with ????? with a little ?????? then ???? then ???????????????

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21 Samantha Reed

October 11, 2016 at 9:03 PM

When he turned that sword against Yeong.... omg..... If I were Yeong, between the Raon Conflict, the almost wedding, the rebels, crazy dad, and now Byung-yeon’s betrayal, if anyone has an excuse to have a mental breakdown (a la King Sungjo) that is our sweet Crown Prince. All this is too much for anyone to handle. ?

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rentenmann

October 12, 2016 at 8:19 AM

I know! I thought the same thing. How much more before the poor guy's sanity snaps?

Wait. Don't show me. Pretend I didn't write this. *ctrl + alt + del*

Now back to our regularly scheduled program. I loved this episode and the building drama!!! Just love it. How on earth will it end??? How are we all going to survive until next week?

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maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 9:21 PM

Aww, I'm glad you come to know and love him as a singer, because he's a damn good one. And he used to be idols' vocal trainer. <3

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cynkdf

October 12, 2016 at 5:41 AM

So glad the upbeat single "Firefly" is now available on Itunes! Hwang Chi Yeul, Eunha & Lil Boi fighting!

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maryxiah

October 13, 2016 at 10:32 AM

Haha, thank you for the update cynkdf.

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cynkdf

October 13, 2016 at 5:36 PM

Welcome :) "Firefly" is doing well in China and some other countries (ITunes in Macau, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore) and a few S Korean charts but not doing well on Melon. Any suggestions are most welcome. Watching the official Bugs MV and encouraging friends etc to view the clip would help. Many thanks :)

Sancheezy

Haha yeah, used to be. But since I've grown to like this username I tend to use it everywhere.

rentenmann

October 12, 2016 at 8:23 AM

Fictional characters have feelings, too. They deserve the attention we give, right? Not mentioning any recent dramas or anything... ?

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mehungie

October 12, 2016 at 7:53 AM

Episodes 15-16 were not good times for YeongOn but really let our secondary leads shine. They all had their own complex issues, but I'm proud of our puppies' fight to hold on to their values.

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24 celine

October 11, 2016 at 9:06 PM

While I particularly did not like what was happening in the interrogation scene, I have to give it to the show because that entire scene was intense and the direction and music (I really need to get my hands on the instrumentals of this drama) amplified everything. It was wonderful.

About Kim Hyung, I believe him. He was just looking for a way to somehow save the father-daughter by using Yeong as the hostage. Yes. I will hold on to this idea.

Finally, we got a bit of wonderful YeongOn interaction. They were in the same place emotionally and without saying the obvious, they understand each other.

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hyanggi

October 11, 2016 at 9:15 PM

The interrogation scene was so intense! Had me shedding tears of relief that Ra On could live, because I couldn't possibly think of a way for her to get out of there alive.

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Quillene Petite

October 11, 2016 at 9:36 PM

I almost had to look for an oxygen mask. I held my breath the entire time.

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maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 9:59 PM

I love that interrogation scene, and when papa Hong denied Ra-on as his child, I cried like a baby! He was trying damn hard to protect the daughter he never cared for, and it broke my heart to see them in tears.

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alsf

October 11, 2016 at 10:48 PM

I thought during the scene that Ra On reaction to being denied (sad, or so I thought) influences the CP decision making about whether to deny her.

Cause he could scoff at the allegations, and logically argue that beheading RIGHT NOW is not the best path. But if he emotionally thinks denying her is harmful, he may hesitate.

I guess we've been spoiled by episodes which quickly resolved several of its sub-plots. PRECISELY BECAUSE THESE ARE SUB-PLOTS.

But the MAIN PLOT cannot be resolved in two episodes. Because it is the main plot, the resolution will take a while, logically and realistically toward the ending of the drama otherwise it will be anti-climactic.

I realize that many cannot take the angst. I understand that fully. It's pretty much how we face life. We always like the SWEET but not the BITTER but LIFE HAS ALWAYS BEEN BITTERSWEET.

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celine

October 11, 2016 at 9:27 PM

Indeed. I actually think the conflict will be resolved in the last episode. I hope for a longer happy times, but I don't think we're getting that. As long as YeongOn finally get their happy ending, as well as HY, YS, and Kim Hyung and all the other good guys, I'm okay with anything at this point.

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cingdoc

October 12, 2016 at 9:26 AM

I love this drama and if you ask me after epi 6, I could foresee a damned real life history and CP and Ra On could be living in hiding as a couple and we all get our unicorn and fluff ending.
Alas, with the latest developments, and I hate to be a Debbie downer, but I can see a ending like this- Kim Hyung might be a sacrificial lamb since he ousted himself as a rebel. He might save Ra On and her father and escaped but now he's a fugitive too. CP now has lost his Bff while saving his love( for now). At best, Ra On lives but I can't see the two lovebirds can stay together( hence, the sad OST). CP will marry HY, both miserable. HS is now sad since he, too, can't even see Ra On.
I know this drama was a fusion Saguek but we cannot twist real history THAT much, especially when our OTP has so many obstacles.
For now, I would even settle for no more death on anyone. Our OTP will live but of course long for each other for the rest of their lives.
NOW, pass the tissue boxes please?????
P.S a sliver of hope. I fanfic that the OTP might have a child together and they did spend the night together( where the CP claimed he can sleep well now). Maybe a time lapse show their child and somehow a drawing of a child will be sent to CP with the child holding a latern. No one but Ra On and the CP will know what that means. LOL, I'm desperate and my fanfic has taken a newer level.

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM

Lol @the CP claimed he can sleep well now. I was probably very emotionally invested in the moment that I didn't register anything out of ordinary when he said that. My line of thought was something like: "Gosh, he loves her so much, that just seeing her face is good enough for him."

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Anh

October 12, 2016 at 2:36 PM

"I know this drama was a fusion Saguek but we cannot twist real history THAT much, especially when our OTP has so many obstacles."

But we can twist history because the drama already doing so, plus that this Yeong is inspired by real CP, not a drama that will really cling onto history.

Because even the PD wanted to give him a different name, to say that perhaps this Yeong is in an alternate universe to the real Yeong so the events and course of actions will be different to history and the novel.

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cingdoc

October 12, 2016 at 3:10 PM

Well, in this case then heck, we can anything and everything we want: Kim Yeong took CP as hostage and helped Ra On and her father escaped. Everyone now outside the palace. Eunach Jang misses CP. Princess marries Master Jung( we have to have one good ending). YS, since sad after Ra On left, decided to out his whole villainous family, including the Queen. Facts were revealed the plot against CP's Mom with little Princess told everyone what she saw. Most of the Kim's were either be headed or exiled.Since the court is cleared of the vermin, the Kim Inc, CP came back with his wife Ra On and twin babies and Master Dasan, PM Jo , Master Jung and YS as his advisors. Kim Hyung was invited back but decided to take a sabbatical since there's no evil lurking in the palace anymore.
HY decided that she rather not be in the palace and lives with her father.

celine

October 12, 2016 at 7:48 PM

I'm fine with twisting history because that's been done so much already. My main issue still is, how to make Raon Yeong's legit wife? Because we may twist history, but we cannot twist the rules of the age wherein a royal can only marry someone from a noble family and someone without charges and accusations and does not come from a line of family who attacked the royals... lol How to get around Raon's identity and family background. Unless of course Yeong gives up being a royal for Raon... that could work, but it will be sad because he has much potential to be a great King.

26 jaesukisourgod

October 11, 2016 at 9:10 PM

I kind of expected that BY would have to do something along those lines until the end of the episode, but damn how it got me when it happened....

I think we'll have more than just him picking the rebels side next week. for me, he just read the situation and knew that the only way to save ra-on was doing something like that. if there is one thing he never failed to was to protect her. and I think it comes from him and not for loyalty to the crown prince or the cause. not a romantic interest, but friendship or even because he can relate in some way with how hard her life was because of something that happened with her parents (similar to his own story).

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azzo

October 12, 2016 at 1:14 AM

Yes to this!

My heart goes out to Byung Yeon, he finally has to make the dreaded choice between his two allegiances. This show is good at showing surprises, and only letting out their backstories afterwards, because that scene had me gasping out loud because NOOO Byung Yeon you can't do that to our beloved CP! But I guess it had to be done, to leave everyone leaving unscathed. Yes, even for the CP's sake.

And how much do I hate the Kinggg? Urgh. But his eccentric eyes and demeanor are pity-provoking, that is real anxiety right there.

Agreed. The show never claimed that it would break away from some norms or be revolutionary in that there would be no politics, etc.

Aww let me give you yakgwa to ease your anger. :)

maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 10:28 PM

It gets magnified tenfold because no one likes to dwell in angst for too long, and Moonlight have stayed in angst for 3 episodes, for a drama that started with the fluffy premise, that's too long to be dwelling in angst. Plus the political machinations took the centre stage today, and that's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't like it either, especially in sageuk, but I feel like I need to get through this to be able to move on from all the sadness. Now where is sunshine and rainbow when you need em?

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celine

October 11, 2016 at 11:05 PM

I find it truly fascinating to see the preferences/differences in opinion. I, myself, am not a fan of angst, but I've read comments here (and in other shows) where there are those who prefer angst, political stories over fluff. Like I've read comments that there's too much fluff or romance etc. and not much drama and they don't like that. Or others don't like it when the leads seem to be all good people or vice versa... it's really fascinating.

Sancheezy

October 12, 2016 at 3:30 AM

I think familiarity with the drama genre matter, I feel like I knew this kind of thing will come and I am not that surprise so I can contain my happy feeling and dwell to the angst,

then I see people like that it grow up from the idealistic romance side and some people who just realised that saeguk is not that hard to understand,
some of friend I just asked said that Moonlight is quite heavy for them cause they understand the weight of the problem but they once told me that they can't watch saeguk before because the opening of saeguk --- usually the child portion that full of political foundation they can't process,n
also most saeguk started with tragedy,

Elle

October 11, 2016 at 11:43 PM

I do hope the last two episodes are full of payoffs because damn there's alot that still needs to be done. Yeong should have permanently struck down at least one Minister Kim by now. The one with the twirly beard seems is a pretty low-hanging fruit, as is that other dumb minister.

But I still love this show to pieces and it remains my favorite.

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MichinMari

October 12, 2016 at 12:26 AM

I'm hoping the puppies will get their sunshine and rainbows (and by extension, we do as well) by next week. I mean, they have to, right? It's like a universal rule in 'light-hearted' dramas?

celine

October 12, 2016 at 12:28 AM

So far I think Moonlight is my top fave drama (unless they completely butcher the ending meaning no YeongOn).

maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 11:17 PM

I don't exactly love this episode, but I get that we're finally where we should have been and this is the perfect time to address and confront their fears. I would have find it poignant and sentimental if Yeong and Ra-on didn't have the breakup yesterday, because the awkwardness of meeting up again so soon after the breakup kinda ruined the moment for me.

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Tulip

October 12, 2016 at 2:55 AM

What was really hilarious was how the knetizens were completely up in arms over this episode during the live show at least in DC gallery. It was a very polarizing episode overall. There was everything from: I just shut the tv off in the middle to I am never watching another Min Jung drama ever again to how are they going to resolve everything to why was Hong Kyung Rae brought in to ahh is HKR's purpose so that RO can be the crown princess to it was a great episode.

I actually thought this episode was quite progressive in the plot. HKR was actually mentioned from the very beginning, his name had a lot of significance and meaning to everyone, both at court, with the main players, and the commoners. So although I think it was quite late to bring him this now, perhaps this was the twist in the story that the writer was getting at. Afterall he was the main thread that tied everyone together and not RO per se.

And we finally have a few things in the open now that were considered main plot points:
1. RO and CP are lovers and she was masquerading around as a boy that amounts to death

2. the baby switch will probably be used to drive out to dethrone the queen and perhaps a driving factor for the king to step down

3. BY's conflict with the rebels and his friendship with CP

4. HKR being labeled as a "traitor" and clearing of his name

I may have missed a few things but the only ones that remain is the revelation of Kim Hun's evil deeds which are:
1. how he was perhaps behind the rebellion
2. killing CP's mom and the little princess who was a witness to all of this
3. plot to drive out the king

And finally where do the rebels play in all of this.

I sincerely hope the writer doesn't go off the rails and miss all of this but each episode was clean cut because there were a bunch of subplots that were resolved and none that related too much to the main overarching theme which was the conflict of the monarchy vs. the commoners. Now that we are in the final stretch, I just hope there is no deux ex machina twist although I would welcome it for this drama since it fits that fantasy fusion saeguk drama.

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Tulip

October 12, 2016 at 3:34 AM

In addition what really killed me during this episode was that Kim Hun brought all his cards to the table and now I am wondering what else is he hiding and what else he was doing in his grand scheme of things!!!

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maryxiah

October 13, 2016 at 10:52 AM

"I just shut the tv off in the middle"

WAKE UP, YOU SO-CALLED KING!!!!

October 11, 2016 at 9:39 PM

IKR?!!!! Go get grip already it's freakin' ep 16!!!! Hhhhh *smh* didn't he remember what Yeong asked to him?

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Ira

October 11, 2016 at 9:45 PM

Abuse away my friend. I hate this ineffectual king so much. How such a weak man could produce such an awesome son as yeong is almost a miracle. Credits have to be given to his mother probably. I hope the only thing that he shares with young is just the DNA and none of his weak infuriating character.

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t13ndoank

October 11, 2016 at 10:48 PM

By this time, I won't even be surprised if Yeong turned out to be not his biological son. Yeong is just toooooo awesome and so full of good genes and qualities to be fathered by someone so weak and useless like you, King-NIM!

Alas! There is no DNA test in Jeoson era.

Why when a drama needs it, it won't show up? that DNA test? You appear many times when we don't need you, test.

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celine

October 11, 2016 at 11:08 PM

Yeong got the looks genes from King, but everything else screams Queen! Personality-wise, he's like Mom. I just love how alike they are and how much he learned through his mother's rather unconventional ways of teaching his son.

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Quillene Petite

October 12, 2016 at 7:44 PM

Haha! Celine! I agree. The king has turned into a screaming queen.

*The worm!*

*No offense meant to worms.* Heheh.

maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 10:02 AM

Lol. I don't think Yeong inherited anything from his dad, so that's probably why he's nothing like him, but I caught glimpses of Yeong in the king when he spoke of how idealistic he was in the past, just like Yeong. Yeong has all his good genes, thanks to his mother.

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Elle

October 11, 2016 at 11:44 PM

The real king was supposedly like that. But damn is he annoying to watch!

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michykdrama

October 12, 2016 at 3:49 AM

I fully agree with your BOLD and CAPS sentiment ?

But I'm even more upset because it feels like he has No Character Growth whatsoever.

And previously when he took Prince Yeong into his confidence and he "plotted" with Yeong to share joint power I thought MAYBE just maybe he would start to improve and trust and TALK to his son more... esp when we also see that he know the Kims are against him...

But but but who'll take the throne? Fake Prince? Master Jung (if he marries the princess, he'll become prince?)?
If the Kim clan's evil deeds get outed, what'll happen to Yoon-Sung? If CP ran away, what'll happen to Ha-Yeon who agreed to marry him for her family's sake? :( I need answers.

Mihanhni

October 12, 2016 at 1:20 AM

At the beginning of the next espisode, I hope this is where teacher Yoda and little princess come in. The writers introduced these characters for a reason. I think he and the little princess will show up with the evidence to show the evil kim was the one behind the king's attempted assination 10 years ago and he was also the one behind the queen's death since she found out about his plan. I hope in light of the new developments, the king will wake up from his nightmares, step up as a king and a father, order the guards to behead the evil kim then step down. Yeong as a king will turn around and appointed RO's father as a new prime minister. Now he can officially marry RO since she is a prime minister's daughter. No unnessary death for anyone except for the evil kim. However, i would love to have all this happen in one episode. I hope the writer would save the last espisode for fun and romance like the one in the moon embraces the sun. I would love to see RO dresses as a lady and yeong showing her how much he cherish her. The ending would be so sweet if they gave each other back their bracelet and share a kiss in the garden as king/queen. In my opinion, This would make this drama perfect

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Sancheezy

October 12, 2016 at 3:20 AM

I agree, it seems like the writer want to turn all the bomb at the same place . . .

Mihanhni

October 12, 2016 at 9:12 AM

For all the other characters.
I think Yoon-Sung will ask Yeong to appoint him as an ambassador. He then will leave for Quimg to nuture his broken heart and uses his negotiaton skills to help Yeong in dealing with the Quing. Ha-Yeon, by now will realize that she stand between a true love. She will has a heart to heart talk with Her father. Went home but left a Letter behind explaining her reasons and pledge her faintly's support to the new king. Byung Yeon stays as Yeong's body guard. Eunuch Han will commit suicide. Teacher Yoda and Master Jung will become Yeong's main advisors. These would help to fulfill Yeong's promises to everyone during the drama. No bloodsheds, a better nation for the little girl, to have Ro as the first person to share this new kingdom with him. to show RO's dad that the king was not placed there to rule, but he is there to take care the welfare of the people. To fullfil his promise to RO that he will change the Mermaid's story ending where they will live happily everr after.

celine

October 11, 2016 at 9:51 PM

Yeong did draw the sword, but was cut short when sh*t finally happened. I have to say once again how excellent PBG and KYJ are. In that scene when Premier Kim and the King were asking him about his relationship with Raon, I could see his face muscles moving and tensing. He was restraining and his eyes looked absolutely torn. He was trying so hard not to give in. KYJ, on the other hand, did so well when she did the monologue and she basically acted with her eyes alone.

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maryxiah

October 11, 2016 at 10:01 PM

Yeah, I know he did draw the sword. I phrased it wrong. I meant Kim Hyung saw Yeong's intention to stop her execution. Damn, I love it when they linger on that moment because I was so in the moment with them and I was as much tormented as Yeong, waiting for decision to be made.

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fickleflower

October 11, 2016 at 9:36 PM

Yes, that's how I chose to interpret that final scene too!

Not only could he protect Yeong from the suspicion of treason, he might possibly even stab at the chance of saving RO and her dad by using Yeong's life as bait.

That way, no one gets hurt, except BY.

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Ira

October 11, 2016 at 9:47 PM

Thank you for saying this. This helps alleviate my initial knee-jerk reaction to the whole thing. At least this gives me hope that not all is lost.

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35 MichinMari

October 11, 2016 at 9:20 PM

Maybe I'm one of the few people who's not disappointed by this episode. Granted, episode 15 wasn't at par with the others, but this one was good.

I think we've been spoiled by the show. It has always met and often surpassed our expectations that we always raise the bar higher for each episode.

I honestly believe this is really what happens when we're nearing the home stretch. Everything ends next week so we're left to flounder a bit before things get resolved.

I don't know. Maybe the bean chaff has not been dislodged from my eyes -- even with the non-squee worthy moment. Maybe i refuse to have said chaff be dislodged. Hell, I might as well just live with it. ;)

But I really like Byung Yeon's arc -- especially that scene where he pulls the sword on the prince. They're childhood friends. And as it has been said in the recap, when faced with choice between his cause and his friend, he has always chosen Yeong.

This time is different. And I love how tortured he looked before he made that choice. He is committed to the cause AND he does treasure the prince's friendship. He's caught between a rock and a hard place and he has to choose RIGHT NOW. I love how that played out.

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37 Jasmine

October 11, 2016 at 9:21 PM

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38 nurii

October 11, 2016 at 9:22 PM

Me neither.

I haven't watch this episode, this is very important, as this was the only show I also streamed live.

One of the reason I haven't watch, its because I can't bear yesterday low point, I will not bear today. The rainbow HAVE to come next week. Otherwise, it would be hard for me to truly enjoyed a Korean drama again.

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39 mehungie

October 11, 2016 at 9:23 PM

Finally, the big showdown, lives are actually at stake instead of danger being hinted at without any substance whatsoever so far.

Only one card is still hidden now: the little princess's traumatic story.

Good poker face, Kim hyung. And maybe Yeong too. I'd like to think he understood Kim hyung's need to put up an act at that dire moment. I just don't know how our gatmother will get out of this mess alive.

The conversations between Papa Hong and "son in law" maybe hinted at the possibility of Yeong walking away from his throne to be a peoples' person? I'm not yet convinced how that is going to solve anything in the country. But that will indeed be a different ending to The Joseon Little Mermaid, one that Yeong will have to make himself.

So Ha Yeon knew about the teal half of the eternity bracelet already. I guess that explains her heavy heart on the almost-wedding day. She went back to his garden! I wonder if there is more significance behind that time when she picked up the bracelets for Yeong at the market, or is today's realization the closing of that arc. Will she again help YeongOn's relationship somehow?

My thoughts are quite disjointed today, I guess it's because I wasn't really in sync with this episode. Off to read now!

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 9:37 AM

Princess Yeong-eun and the newborn princess. Those two alone are enough to bring down the Kim clan.

Lol @ son-in-law. I don't know why, but when I was watching ep.16, I keep chastising Yeong in my head reminding him, he was talking to future his father-in-law.

I know. I have a feeling Yeong might not end up as the king we hoped to see. He's so inspiring as a prospect king, but I don't see how he can rule, while intending to keep Ra-on by his side. He can't have both.

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40 Ira

October 11, 2016 at 9:26 PM

Warning: rant ahead

How the hell HGR vanished so darn successfully for 10 years and getting caught the EXACT moment he decided to show himself. Why suddenly he decides to show up after MIA-ing all these years? Also, given the stakes, shouldnt his decision to finally reach out to his family come with a careful plan or two for his and his family safety? What kind of stupidity is this?

And RO dear, I know you deserve to meet your father. But, oh how I wish you are more wise in calculting tht your action could bring dooms to people, including CP who you were so ready to hurt just for him to be safe or whatever. I still love you but you keep making me mad this week, especially because this whole debacle wring BY's hands into pulling a sword to his friend. So yes, I am not quite happy with you eventhough I still love you, though at this point I am not sure it's because I really really like you or because Yeong needs you be safe to have a chance at being happy.

And omg my Yeong-ie, I feel you pain. I wish people close to him stop brandishing knife/sword at him. What a blow to his trusts and confidence. It's the people that you love most that tend to hurt more I guess. But I hope he will survive this ordeal. Also hope this wont make him regressed into someone like his father who is paranoid even of his own shadows. Perish the thought *shudder*

Thank you YS and HY for being awesome. You two are my silver-lining in this episode. Keep being your awesome self.

BY, only one word for you, dont you dare getting yourself killed! And of course dont hurt even a hair of Yeong, which I wish I can say for sure that you wont.

Lastly, I am still going to ask this, WHERE THE HELL IS TEACHER DASAN?

>> How the hell HGR vanished so darn successfully for 10 years and getting caught the EXACT moment he decided to show himself. Why suddenly he decides to show up after MIA-ing all these years? Also, given the stakes, shouldnt his decision to finally reach out to his family come with a careful plan or two for his and his family safety? What kind of stupidity is this? <<

so this is what I take, it's more of the circumstances
he getting caught when the patrol become extreme than before,
when ra-on reveals as alive, the security is tightened and the poster is everywhere, people remember the accident,
the man that caught him is on patrol and they've been lured him with his daughter poster

he rushed to see his family because they need to leave as fast as possible, that's why he asked where's ra-on since there's not much time left and because he waits for her,
if she is there, he probably wouldn't give himself in,
he vanished because he is alone, the moment he get contact to other people is when his family is in trouble, that's it,
ra-on alive announcement and as the rebellion leader managed to picked his interest and he is the only one who torn the poster,

I think it would be better if we have scene of the commoner spreading information but that's how I read the situation,
before : there's no ra-on or danger around her in public
now : she is wanted and in danger, dad needs to save her

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Ira

October 11, 2016 at 10:09 PM

I think the fact that we have to speculate about the situation is a sign of not so great writing. Which is what I am most disappointed for. Because the writing of this drama has been quite quite consistently exceptional. It has been very good at building up conflict and payoff, frequently with peppered clues that made sense once the big reveal happened. The sudden resurface of HGR felt more like a plot device rtaher than something organically developed to serve a bigger purpose. I blame the drama for spoiling me so much before this week that the crushing of my expectation is almost too difficult to bear.

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Sancheezy

October 11, 2016 at 10:22 PM

I don't think it sudden,
in earlier ep as I remember, the sole reason prime minister faction want to find Ra-on (but the used words like hong gyung nae's child) is to lured him out since they can't find him,
and that's also why they searched for her right after they knew her name,
because they need her to outed her dad from hiding, not for the crown prince,
the crown prince comes later,

the capture was a bit sudden but it doesn't feel rushed either, this little "filling on your own scene" is not that big of a deal when the speculation is based on what really happen and shown,

the military man posted the picture, people saw it then someone tore the poster up in the middle of the crowd, then we have double security and patrolman that caught him,
the Kim's` henchman that know ra-on's place before,

Seems that most people see BY drawing his sword on the price as an act of betrayal.

However, under those extreme circumstances, there really wasn't much choice - the rebels may have acted and drawn their swords. But did they really think they could storm out of the palace?

They would be outnumbered by more palace guards, who would no doubt be on their way.

There would have been more bloodshed, and RO & her father would no doubt be put to death.

Under those circumstances, I saw BY's act as an act of sacrifice - to paint himself as a traitor, but to use the threat of the crown prince's life to barter for the release of the prisoners.

That way, he would buy time for RO and her father to be rescued/escape.

And BY knows how much Yeong loves RO. Yeong would have been completely devastated if RO had been executed there and then, thus, giving BY more reason to find a way to save RO.

I don't think BY expects to make it out of that situation alive - and so, he wasn't betraying the rebels, but neither was he betraying Yeong, if he chose to save RO (Yeong's most precious person).

I don't think he would have seriously hurt Yeong, and not for a moment do I believe he would have killed Yeong, even if all the rebels were outnumbered and killed on the spot.

It was the moment of sacrifice for BY - and man, did he choose the best way to go - in a blaze of glory.

I only hope he succeeds, and RO and her father are rescued or manage to escape.

October 12, 2016 at 9:30 AM

No no no! Don't jinx it! Lol. I'm having Gu Family Book deja vu and that's not pretty at all.

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43 Bea

October 11, 2016 at 9:29 PM

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47 Jana

October 11, 2016 at 9:47 PM

I actually really liked this episode. Better than yesterday's. But maybe that's because I'm very used to political sageuk dramas so the heavy politics presented in this episode didn't bother me at all (despite the cute romance taking a step back) and in fact, it kinda intrigued. Of course the politics is nothing new or clever if you have watched countless of sageuks but still I find it rather intriguing. And the ending makes up for all those slow moments as I literally yelled , "OMG NOOOO. WHY DID YOU STOP THERE, SHOW. WHYY".

Yes, I do miss the light-heartedness quality of the show but this is the dark tunnel that we all have to go through in order to see the sunlight and green grasses at the end.

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October 12, 2016 at 7:56 PM

I also, strangely, liked the entering/walking part of interrogation scene with how the King, Yeong, and the minister walked in separately with their people behind them. I really enjoyed the music too. I had my earphones on when I was watching so I could really hear the drums. Intense.

48 lizzieb

October 11, 2016 at 9:52 PM

It’s a really big deal to me so apologies for the spazzing out that follows.
I watched an unsubbed ep for the first time, AND it was through live stream. I live-streamed the shit out of it. My hands were cold and I was having palpitations the whole time. WHAT. IN. THE.
(side note: How AMAZING it was to watch a show for a full hour in real time with no commercials!!! South Korea, you truly are something else)

I could not sleep much because of Monday’s episode, and after the discussion on DB, I just couldn’t wait to know what’s next.

The whole time I kept waiting for more things to unfold! I thought it was really talky. I wanted more action! Of course this is mostly because I couldn’t go along much with the dialogue without subs, and really I anticipated the show to focus on HGN now that he's back all of a sudden. But I still wanted more badassery! --> (me = impatient)

I loved that OTP got to sit and talk like that again after the knife scene from before. I might be the only one who couldn't find that comical. To me they both understood where they now stand and how they felt, so the knife scene I still think, for the both of them, wasn't really so that they could part ways feeling confused, misunderstood or bitter about each other. If that had been the purpose of the scene to me then I'd also be right there with you guys, chuckling at the sooner-than-expected encounter. Instead I gasped when Yeong showed up and squeed. Of course. Lol

I loved the space between them this time, the bit about clouds hiding the moon, the fact that it calls back to the previous jail cell scene (oh how that episode gives comfort now), and Yeong's very very consistent expression of affection. Whatever the situation, whether he knows for sure how he feels, whether he's confessed his love yet or not, and now with him having assured her he won't cling on anymore, it doesn't matter. He loves and loves and loves (hihi). He just can't help but show it. He wouldn't act/pretend to be like a jerk now to spite her because that's not our Crown Prince <3 #RIPMyRealisticExpectationsInAGuy

Then we got to the end.
I think I stopped breathing.
Then I had to wait another 8 hours to watch with subs.
Oh my god what has this show done to me. This is why I don’t ever live watch.
No, Moonlight is worth it. I loved that I got a whole day to freak out about it. And now I get an entire week to freak out some more. I can’t believe we’ve only got two left.
But now I’m thinking the dreaded extension would have really hurt the show if it pushed through. So I’m happy-sad.
This time I get to feel a stronger impact of a show concluding, which I can already tell is very different from what I feel when I finish a marathon.

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 1:11 AM

Catgirl

October 11, 2016 at 11:54 PM

I sort of thought Ra-On would speak up and deny the accusation to save him.

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slvr1

October 12, 2016 at 2:33 AM

I was waiting for that sort of twist too. But whether she says yes or no, she will be killed regardless, and since Minister Kim is relentless, he would have asked CP to still do the honours. At that point there would be no escape, because CP could never kill her-and he's already almost died protecting her once before.

They have no way out of that impasse, in my opinion.

maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 1:16 AM

I was waiting for him to answer with bated breath too, alas, no such luck. But I don't want to risk them both by him answering truthfully. And if he was to lie, even though Ra-on might understand , it'd hurt to see him deny their affection for one another.

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slvr1

October 12, 2016 at 2:39 AM

Your thoughts and mine match exactly! Our CP loves her too deeply to say 'no', and he's selfless when it comes to his close friendships and love.

That decision was so painful to make- but I'm glad he tried unsheathing the sword- no doubt to save her. My melodrama loving fangirl would love to see him fight against the world for her- which I am sure he was ready to do.

However, the interruption by the rebels was crucial- because as of now, no one knows (except BY and RaOn herself) whether he was trying to save her or kill her.

slvr1

October 12, 2016 at 2:08 AM

He was caught in a terrible situation. The way I understood the subs- it said 'intimate relationship.'

Basically, our CP is accused of sleeping with the enemy. On top of that- he has actively saved and harboured her and gotten others (BY) involved- it's nothing short of treason against his own father.

I had never thought CP would say 'no', but saying yes would have been a death sentence for both of them. His silence is striking, but I'm glad he made the move to rescue her- at least.

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maryxiah

October 12, 2016 at 9:22 AM

He was basically trapped, neither answer seems ideal. Saying "yes" equals to death for them, but saying "no" equals to death to his and Ra-on's relationship as well, and she'd still have to die. We don't doubt he'd have attempt to save her, we just couldn't foresee how he'd get out of the situation unharmed.

Sancheezy

October 12, 2016 at 3:11 AM

the King is paranoia, it's a betrayal in his dad point of view and it just makes the palace people go against Crown Prince.
Everyone knew CP care about Sam Nom and that just hit them hard if they acknowledge or not, this moment also make all ra-on fears come true, that their relationship brings harm for both of them if people knew it, it confirm what ra-on had been said all along and yeong doesn't have the solution,

I am really concerned that with just a couple of episodes left, there are too many unresolved plot threads at this point. These last two episodes could have easily been cut in half to make room for some other big revelation regarding how Yeong's mother died, or how the little princess will spill her beans (even if it's just with sign language), how Teacher Dasan fits into the picture (he knows...something!), how the infant prince is fake, etc. etc.

I agree that what has made MDBC special is the sparkling moments between our OTP but I'd have been willing to give those up if some of these other plot points are addressed...but they haven't been! Instead we are supposed to care for Ra-on's dad who's really just been a so-selfless-he's-selfish jerk.

The plus side to this episode was more Byung-yeon face time. I thought his micro-acting in this episode was great.

Next steps: In my dream scenario, Ha-yeon (who should've put 2+2 together long ago, she's a smart girl) bumps into Yoon-sung and they have devised a plan to reveal everything and make it possible for Yeong and Ra-on to be together. Maybe they can go off to raise the baby princess? I'd like to think the next episode will show Yeong has been one step ahead as he's been with every other major conflict so far, but it would be nice to see some of these other characters be part of the action, too.

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alsf

October 11, 2016 at 10:30 PM

I agree, we could have cut down 4 episodes of staring to tie up some lose threads or for BROMANCE.

I am bored by the politics, unless CP is outsmarting everyone, and hate watch the prime minister, but 4 episodes of Ra On staring and half crying has gotten grim.

I agree. They spent too much time on unnecessary plotline and didn't bother tying up loose ends, which makes me worry about where we're heading with the story and the OTP.

Ha-yeon and Yoon-sung working together to uncover things and help the OTP seems a bit of a stretch. I was kinda hoping the three musketeers rekindle their bromance and start plotting how to overthrow the baddies instead. All three of them hold some important infos, that if shared, could be their greatest piece at hand to triumph over the evil ministers.

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