Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 8
by HeadsNo2
Now it feels like we’ve finally dispensed with the setup to get to the actual meat of the character interactions, which is a definite plus in my book. Even if everything in this hour revolves around a newly introduced (and swiftly resolved) problem, it at least gives our heroine more opportunities to form new alliances, or to strengthen the ones she already has. One thing’s for sure—her makeup brings all the boys to the yard.
EPISODE 8 RECAP
Continuing straight from where we left off last week, So demands that Su look at his scarred face properly. He tells her how he hates that look she gave him, and adds that he doesn’t ever want to see it from her again.
Confused, Su asks him what look he’s talking about. Growing angrier, So claims that it’s a look of pity, and he doesn’t need her, of all people, to feel sorry for him. As he slowly loosens his grip on her wrist, he leaves her with a warning: “Stay out of my sight. Next time… I don’t know what I’ll do to you.”
Su is left to lean against the same column for support after he leaves, looking more than a little dazed and concerned by their encounter.
That night, So is back to wearing his mask as he lies under the stars in Astronomer Choi’s tower. Thirteenth prince Baek-ah finds his older brother in much more agreeable spirits as he apologizes for not putting a stop to the unmasking earlier. For the record, he also adds that errant tenth prince Eun regrets what he did.
So mentions that Baek-ah didn’t look at him when he unmasked himself, and Baek-ah replies that he was worried it would upset So if he did. So sighs that feelings are so fickle—he can be mad at one person for looking, and one person for not looking. Yeah, tell us about it.
At least Baek-ah stands up for Su, who he says was just manipulated by the much-eyeliner’d third prince Yo. So cuts him off, not wanting to hear any more about Su.
Along with Court Lady Oh, Su attends to the king’s morning routine, which includes a light smattering of cosmetics. He backhandedly reminds Su of her place when it comes to the princes, who she admits she hasn’t seen much of lately, before Court Lady Oh coifs the king’s hair into a topknot.
Queen Sinmyeongsunseong intervenes in this process, demanding that the court lady allow her to do the tending. She’s offended by the simple wooden pin Court Lady Oh was to use to secure the topknot, until King Taejo informs the queen that he’s dressing simply to reflect the drought their nation is suffering.
In keeping with that theme, all the princes enjoy the personalized tea Su serves them—well, all except for So, who admonishes her for serving tea when there’s such a drought going on.
Su takes Baek-ah aside afterward to make sure he didn’t make a mistake in telling her all of So’s favorite things to eat and drink. It’s funny when Baek-ah comments that he had to give her everyone’s favorites so it would be less obvious that she was catering specifically to So, which is why it upsets her that So rejected her offer.
She’s frustrated that So seems to only be angry with her, which even Baek-ah confirms—he forgave Eun right away, so why is he still so sore at Su? Baek-ah has a suspicion, but Su tries to bow out before the other court ladies see them.
Unfortunately, Baek-ah intentionally doesn’t let her go, which only makes things look worse. Su is punished by the other girls and by Court Lady Oh, who warns her to stay away from the princes and out of trouble.
Soon-deok, Grand General park’s daughter, finally works up the courage to face tenth prince Eun directly. Her stuttering problem prevents her from getting her thoughts out properly, and Eun is doubly unhelpful, his only concern being that the drought has left him with nothing to do.
But she has a solution to his boredom, and takes him to a spot where she’s set a trap. Eun is too impatient to wait, but Soon-deok pulls him down when she sees a bird approach the trap. The fact that she gets to hold Eun’s hand, however inadvertently, makes her break out into a wide grin.
They wait for the right opportunity to spring the trap, and Eun couldn’t be more excited that they’ll get to eat it… at least until Soon-deok breaks the bird’s neck. Disgusted, he calls her a murderer and leaves, and poor, clueless Soon-deok is left to wonder if he was upset because he wanted to eat the bird alive. Hah.
Her father watches the display and tsks from a distance, eventually sitting down with his daughter to cook the bite-sized bird. It’s adorable how he tries to attack Eun’s lack of manliness to make his daughter feel better: “What kind of man can’t even catch a bird?” Soon-deok: “I can catch them.” Grand General Park: “Then… how can he protect his wife and children!” Soon-deok: “I can protect us.”
It’s both funny and sad that Soon-deok has accounted for all these possibilities in her mind, though we’re not let in on the whole story between her and Eun. It seems like her father knows that she’s leaning toward Eun, and has given up on dissuading her.
Eighth prince Wook heads over to Damiwon, presumably to see Su, but he finds the doors barred with a note that since the palace will be holding a ritual to bring rain, all outside access will be blocked. Later that night, Su finds a note near her bedside, and is just barely able to make out the Hanja characters to realize that Wook wants to meet her in the secret entrance to the baths.
She grins from ear to ear when she finds him there, and he admits that Chae-ryung told him of the location when he expressed his frustration at being unable to see Su. Aw.
Sitting in the dark cave, Wook remarks on how easy it would be for her to use the tunnel to escape the palace. Su knows this well, but tells him how So told her that there would be no way for her to truly escape the king. Since Damiwon suits her well, she says she’d rather wait until she can leave the palace with the king’s blessing.
“Until then… could you… not forget me?” she asks hesitantly. By way of reply, Wook tells her that if the upcoming rain ritual produces rain, the king will be apt to grant favors accordingly. He’ll request that the king free her from her service, which causes Su’s face to light up from within at the thought of being able to return to his house.
Wook smiles broadly as he says that when she does return, he’ll buy everything she’ll need to make soap, and fill the house with all her favorite supplies. Su jokes that Princess Yeonhwa would hate that, but adds quietly, “I desperately hope it will rain. It has to.” Wook agrees.
She closes her eyes as she rests her head on his shoulder, and Wook can only smile as he holds her hand and leans in closer.
Su helps treat Crown Prince Mu’s condition before he heads off to quell a rebellion caused by the ongoing drought. The crown prince, appreciative of her help and discretion, says that he’s left her a necklace back at Damiwon.
So pops in to tell the crown prince that everything’s ready, looking visibly unhappy to find Su there as well. Once the two are left alone, So seems suspicious of the basket of supplies she’s carrying out of the tent, and sees her being apprehended by Queen Sinmyeongsunseong’s court ladies outside.
Su is brought before the queen and third prince Yo, and is asked to account for her absence. Yo calls her out for being with the crown prince and demands to know what she was up to. The basket she carried is used as evidence against her, and the herbs inside cause the queen to ask Su if the crown prince is ill.
When Su claims to know nothing, the queen grabs her by the hair. So sees this but doesn’t interfere—thankfully, Court Lady Oh does, with a working alibi for Su’s whereabouts.
Though Queen Sinmyeongsunseong questions Court Lady Oh’s claim that she sent Su to tend to the king, the court lady is sharp, and asks if the queen would have preferred that she tend to him herself. After a stare-down, the queen leaves.
So approaches his mother afterward, though as usual, she’s less than thrilled to see him. He’s not as concerned about her demeanor toward him as he is about the way she treats others—most notably Court Lady Oh and Su. No matter how much contempt she has, he cautions her, she should also maintain her dignity. Now the queen can’t help but wonder if this is all because of Su.
Court Lady Oh looks to be having some stomach trouble again, and is in no mood for Su’s gratitude. She turns around and slaps the girl across the face for going against her orders to stay away from the crown prince. Court Lady Oh says she regrets ever taking her in.
This finally seems to break Su, who asks what she’s done so wrong in treating the crown prince. Why shouldn’t she, if she knows how? When Court Lady Oh says she knows nothing of the palace, Su agrees, but then asks why Oh hasn’t bothered to teach her. Why, out of all the other court ladies, does Oh treat her so hatefully?
With a hand over her stomach and sweat on her brow, Court Lady Oh finally says that she gets so upset with Su because she reminds her of herself when she was younger—she’s too trustful and too good. “A girl like you could easily die here,” she says. She adds that she’s worried… but before she can say more, she doubles over in pain.
She wakes in her bed with Su tending to her, though her attempts to be gruff enough to make the girl leave don’t work—now that Su knows she was just being hard on her because she cared about her, she’s not scared of her anymore. Court Lady Oh’s demeanor changes, and soon both she and Su are smiling at each other over the terrible porridge Su made.
King Taejo performs the rain ritual to plead for the heavens to end the drought by kneeling repeatedly in supplication. It’s a strain on his knees and his stamina, so Astronomer Choi suggests that one of the princes take over for him.
In order to make the selection fair, all the princes put their names in a pot to be drawn at random. Yo scares the rest of his brothers by claiming that the people will call for their blood should the ritual fail to bring rain, at least until So aptly points out that the ritual isn’t held to make it rain, it’s held until there’s rain.
“A person cannot move the heavens. We just have to make it look as though they can,” So adds. Lo and behold, his name is chosen by the king to take over the ritual, and So has no choice but to accept.
He doesn’t get to just bow at the temple like his father did—he has to first walk through the capital as part of the ceremony, which subjects him to the ridicule of the people for being more monster than man. Believing that a masked prince won’t help their cause any, they throw stones at him, and sling what might very well be feces on him. (It also looks like mud, but they’re in a drought, so.)
So still does his best to go through with the ritual, offering no verbal complaint. By the time he actually makes it to the palace covered in muck, Queen Sinmyeongsunseong actually smiles to see him so, as does Yo.
Poor So looks frightened from the ordeal, only to shake with anger when he sees even Su looking at first away from him, then right at him. Defeated, he drops the ceremonial jug and runs away.
Queen Sinmyeongsunseong, pleased with this recent turn of events, has something even worse up her sleeve—she and Yo have conspired to have the crown prince attacked by thieves on his way back to the palace. Yo comments on how he had been the one who hoped to be in charge of the rain ritual, yet So was chosen instead.
The queen believes that it was King Taejo and Astronomer Choi who conspired to make sure So was chosen, having no belief that it was by some divine chance. Even so, she still sees this as an opportunity for Yo to gain more of a foothold to the throne, though we’re not told exactly how.
Su goes looking for So, who she finds napping in a boat (the boat’s stuck in mud due to the drought). She almost falls over, but either Su was faking sleep or his reflexes are so quick that he’s able to pull her to safety.
Of course, that means pulling her down with him, and the two share a moment as they find themselves in such close proximity. Su finally scrambles up to tell him that it’s time for him to come out of hiding now. He shouldn’t take what happened too hard, she adds—the people are just desperate and angry.
So snaps that he doesn’t want her pity, then asks if she knows why she was born. She admits that she’s thought about it, but there’s no answer. She can only determine how she’ll live, and she doesn’t want to live a life controlled by others. “No one in this world has an easy life,” she adds sagely.
He at least pays attention while she talks, but pretends as though he’s above it as he resumes fake-napping. At her advice that he return to the rain ritual and forget what happened, he calls her out for pretending to know everything about the world when she’s still so young.
That night, Su thinks over So’s question about why she thinks she was born and, unable to sleep, she attempts to concoct her own BB cream and succeeds.
It’s the day of the rain ritual, and Crown Prince Mu has yet to show up. Worried that something must have happened to him, Astronomer Choi volunteers to go find the crown prince himself. But since that would mean leaving So to appease the people on his own, So declines.
Astronomer Choi gets on his case about being too obsessed with the scar on his face, and advises him to get over it if he hopes to be able to help the crown prince and resolve his mommy issues. That’s when So realizes that Choi made it so that his name was picked.
The astronomer doesn’t deny it, but adds that he just wanted to help him build his confidence. So sees it as a lowly appointment in and of itself, thinking that Astronomer Choi just needed a slave to perform the ritual until it rained.
“If it rains because of that slave,” the astronomer says, throwing So’s words back at him, “then that slave will become a king!” Ah, so now the plan comes out—he’d only wanted to help So’s standing with his own family and the people, in order to make sure So stood in solidarity with the crown prince. But, he adds, he can only set the table. It’s up to So to take charge of his own destiny.
Resolved, So grabs a new set of ceremonial robes to perform the ritual, only to be stopped by Su, who claims to have found a way to rid him of his mask. Sitting him down before her table of makeup, she takes off his mask. They both look into each other’s eyes for a long, charged moment, until Su brushes his bangs aside to reveal the full extent of the scar.
He grows nervous when she reaches up to touch it, tracing her finger down the long, crooked line. Suddenly, he grabs her by the wrist and asks if she’s not afraid of his face. “Do you feel sorry for me?” She answers back that she can’t feel sorry for someone who’s always threatening her—and besides, the man behind the scar matters more.
She only finds it unfair that he’s had to suffer all his life because of a scar no bigger than the palm of her hand, causing him to search her face as he asks if he can really trust her. Su says that because she’s been betrayed so much in her own life, she will make it so that he can trust her by not changing who she is. If he trusts her, she adds, she won’t betray that trust.
“As long as it’s you… I can put myself in your hands,” So says quietly. “Do as you wish. I am now yours.” (He uses the same language as he did when he said she was “his” earlier on, only now, it’s reversed.)
Su sets to her work in covering his scar as we cut to the king and family waiting for the ritual to resume. The ministers suggest that the king appoint Yo to head the ritual since the crown prince has yet to show.
Feeling sure of himself, Yo tells Astonomer Choi that he should stop expecting the crown prince—he won’t be showing up anytime soon. Subtlety, Yo. Heard of it?
We find Su applying makeup to So’s scar, and once it’s done, she holds up a reflective surface for him to see for himself. He then grabs her by the shoulders when she rises and turns her to face him in all his unscarred beauty.
“Do you remember? I told you that you were mine,” So says. “Then and now, and the moment you touched my face… I decided that you would be mine. So prepare your heart from this point forward. I… will never let you go.”
He leans in as if to kiss her, causing Su to go still with shock. Seeming to sense her reluctance, So doesn’t push things further, and gently loosens his grasp on her shoulders. He leaves, and Su’s hand goes to her wrist, where Wook’s bracelet still rests.
Before Yo can make it to the ceremonial palanquin, So stops him, though he’s back to wearing his mask. He claims that only he and the crown prince have the right to be in the palanquin, and in his anger, Yo punches the mask off his face.
But when So rises from picking it up, Yo can’t believe his eyes. So takes his place in the palanquin and departs, ending up in the same place as before on his march to the palace. The people are ready to start throwing stones again, until they notice that his scar is gone.
Thinking it some sort of divine sign, the people all begin to bow to So as he walks among them, all of them praying for rain. Astronomer Choi looks pleased as he walks behind the prince, but Yo, looking from afar, looks positively murderous.
The royal family is surprised to see So walk back into the palace with the people supporting him rather than throwing stones, which makes the evil queen very, very angry. That, and she expected the son she actually loves to head the ritual.
All the princes react with restrained surprise to see So’s unblemished face, but it’s Wook who seems to figure out how such a thing could’ve happened. He looks over to Su, who’s only got eyes for So. Is that… is that jealousy? Please say yes.
Queen Sinmyeongsunseong is at a loss when she sees So’s face, but is unable to say anything as So heads up the steps toward the ceremonial altar. He turns to look at all gathered, his eyes resting specifically on Su. He smiles, she smiles back…
But suddenly the scene in front of her changes. She sees the unmarred So in a king’s garb atop the steps, his smile gone. Just as quickly, the scene returns to normal, but Su is still shaken.
Then, what starts as a few droplets turns into a torrential downpour. There’s surprise and jubilation among the royal family, though Queen Sinmyeongsunseong couldn’t look any more unhappy with all these developments if she tried.
Astronomer Choi just smiles, his plan having worked. Su, however, looks more frightened now than ever as So turns back to look at her. She can’t help from wondering if So will become King Gwangjong, the fourth king of Goryeo.
So turns back toward the altar and smiles a dangerous smile, as the rain washes the makeup away to reveal his scar once more.
COMMENTS
That last shot was great, not just because it gave us a frightening glimpse into that side of So we know to be lurking there, but because it’s an actual appropriate use of the close-up. I’ve been deliberately not commenting on PD Kim Kyu-tae’s work in this drama, preferring to wait to see the whole of it before weighing in, though it’s no secret that I’ve found his style and approach problematic over the years. And while he chronically overuses close-ups to the point where they lose their meaning, sometimes, the style yields positive results. In this case, getting close-ups of So’s face sans scar worked very well—getting endless close-ups of Su staring, not so much. But I’ll take what I can get, even if it means relying on luck and an actor’s ability to make some of the more questionable shot choices mean something.
Seeing So look so calculated near the end raises some concerns, the least of which being: How well do we actually know him? Like Astronomer Choi noted, he’s completely capable of killing people, yet completely powerless when it comes to his scar and his own insecurity. I wonder if, by helping to disguise the deformity that’s held So back all this time, Su’s actually created the monster she seems to think King Gwangjong is. That seems to be the reason she suddenly saw a flash of the future (or imagined it), of So as king with a scarless face. Which also brings up a whole host of questions about how Su is or isn’t impacting history with her presence in the past. It’s not an issue the show seemed to want to touch with a ten foot pole until now, and even then, I don’t know if they were making the direct correlation that Su just opened the door for So to become King Gwangjong. Or maybe they were, who knows.
I wish So had gotten more of a moment with the mirror before he turned all his attention to Su, if only because it would’ve been nice to see more of a meaningful reaction from him after he saw the one thing that’s held him back his entire life just disappear before his eyes. It seems like such a missed opportunity to not showcase the range of emotions we can only imagine he had at seeing himself as normal. But at least we got a glimpse of it in his thankfulness toward Su, despite there being more to their moment than just gratitude.
But one did get the feeling that all So’s ever wanted is someone he could trust and depend on, and maybe even love—it’s difficult to separate his need to be accepted and wanted by his mother with the solace he’s now found in Su. All that acceptance he could never get from Mommy Dearest, he suddenly has from Su. All that compassion he wanted, he now has. So it’s not so out of line to believe that all he needed from Su was her permission to trust her in order to fall for her completely, enough to where he’d declare himself to be hers. Granted, he also declared her to be his, but at least this time was an even trade, an “I am yours, and you are mine,” sort of scenario. It would’ve been nice to get Su’s input on this, but there’s plenty of time.
At least she grasped enough of the situation with So to think of Wook’s bracelet, which symbolizes the promise she made with him. What’s extra interesting about them is how the show even reinforced their relationship this episode—while it was left to Wook to tell her to wait for him last episode, it was Su who more or less asked the same of him this round. I’ve come to love those two together so much that I’m worried about all the conflict that last sequence of scenes promised (in the best way possible), with Wook looking at Su, and Su looking at So. Don’t break his smolder, Moon Lovers. Pretty please?
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101 YY
September 20, 2016 at 12:16 AM
Hey, I was right...she looked at him with pity - she should have closed her mouth though, her open mouth made her expression more like surprise at how hot he looked without the mask ...I practised in the mirror with my eyes wide open and my mouth open, then shut, and really, the shut mouth worked better.
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Barbrey
September 20, 2016 at 2:45 AM
LOL!
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Lynn
September 20, 2016 at 6:09 AM
You've made my day Lmao ????
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102 chocopieb
September 20, 2016 at 12:18 AM
The historical records kept saying how women were viewed almost (or just) as powerful as men during goryeo and how only during goryeo were women treated this way.
Now, idk if its bcs of the times, or simply wangso's character, but i really appreciate how he backed out when he was gonna kiss haesoo. I think that really shows how much respect he has for haesoo..
Which makes me wonder, how come in joseon everything turned patriarchal again..?
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kumoiwa
September 20, 2016 at 12:47 AM
We have Confucianism (Neo-Confucianism in Joseon) to thank for this: Confucius ranked everybody in an orderly system, like king/subject, husband/wife, son/mother, and for women they basically were bound to the whims and authority of the men in their family. Women living in dynasties that subscribed greatly to Confucianism and its evolutions (e.g. most of China's imperial era, Joseon) had to adhere to the teaching of listening to their fathers before they were married, listening to their husbands when they married, and listening to their sons when they were widowed. It's pretty eh.
Goryeo embraced Buddhism as its main religion, which was much kinder to women. I believe Buddhism was the mainstream in the region during that period, as China's Song dynasty also had Buddhism and Daoism as its dominant religions.
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chocopieb
September 20, 2016 at 5:43 AM
So.. they just changed their national religion/belief pretty much in a blink of an eye...?
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kumoiwa
September 20, 2016 at 5:52 AM
Not really in a blink of an eye I guess. Every dynasty gets to decide what they want to push as their national belief/religion, yet Confucianism isn't wholly religious. It's more of a system, one that's more organised and orderly than that of the more religious-oriented Buddhism and Daoism, and I see why Joseon would want to adopt it, given the ineptness of the last years of the tottering Goryeo dynasty, and how they would naturally blame it on the religion. Of course there's more to history than just that, but when a nation adopts something for its own, it manifests itself in the form of nationwide laws, so if anything the spread of Confucianism as Joseon's main governing dogma would have been pretty systematic.
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103 eivhonne
September 20, 2016 at 12:19 AM
I have a feeling that Court Lady Oh is the mother of the Crown Prince. She's the one taking care of Crown Prince and the King likes her, and Queen Yoo hates her. There was no mention of CP's mother, so I thought of this. What'ya think?
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Catz
September 20, 2016 at 1:25 AM
You could be right, though the CP and Court lady look around the same age. I thought the CP and Court Lady Oh had something romantic going on. However they could not be together, due to their circumstances and the King liking her.
When she mentioned to HS not to get involved with the princes, and that she saw herself in her - I think she too had some history with the CP.
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taro
September 20, 2016 at 2:39 AM
she had some history with the king
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Barbrey
September 20, 2016 at 2:56 AM
I argued for this possibility on the last ep thread. She does seem too young, but she's into cosmetics and skin cream too so who knows? We do know historical Crown Prince's mother would have been a Lady Oh because it's stated she came from the Oh clan. Taejo married her when he was just head of a merchant clan, and she might have been very lowly in status so he had to put her aside to marry for political advantage, or she then had to take concubine status. She's listed now as a queen on wikipedia, but that might just be because her son, Mu, became the king. They did bestow these titles retroactively or posthumously - for instance, Wook's son becomes a king much much later, and so Wook gets the title King Danyeong after he's already dead.
Her status is still vague to me. Queen Yoo definitely called her Concubine Oh in the subtitles I read. Then we're told she's a court lady, then head of the household, and in the description of her on the SH wiki, it says she's the king's ex-lover.
All this to say, the idea she's Mu's mother is still on the backburner for me. It's possible. Or she just might be related to his mother.
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chocopieb
September 20, 2016 at 5:45 AM
Maybe Court Lady Oh is like Haesoo.. a cousin/sister of the king's late queen? who.. ironically fell for the king (and vice versa) just like haesoo and wook lol
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Barbrey
September 20, 2016 at 12:47 PM
Exactly what I was wondering too.
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104 Sris
September 20, 2016 at 12:22 AM
btw i am really confused about the king opinion of so. does he care about him?or not? he seems to give him importance much more than other princes except for Mu. i never saw him giving a damn about wook or yo. but i do think he was in plot of selecting so for rain ritual.why did he provide so training in martial art?
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Barbrey
September 20, 2016 at 3:05 AM
The king might have some fondness for his other children, but the only one he really loves is Mu, possibly because Mu's mother was the only wife he ever loved. Through Ji Mong's influence, and So not having been brought up under his mother's influence, the king sees So as a possible protector and support for Mu unlike how he sees Yo and possibly Wook. But I don't think he would hesitate to sacrifice him for Mu's sake.
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105 sillykarma9
September 20, 2016 at 12:31 AM
This is my first time commenting! I am so in love with this show right now!
I just want to say STOP the Wang So abuse! I hope they continue to develop his character in an engaging way like they did in this episode... but without throwing s*** at that gorgeous face.
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106 yobbie
September 20, 2016 at 12:37 AM
this episode was the best...
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107 aa
September 20, 2016 at 12:38 AM
I just can say this..
First ! LJK is still pretty!
Second! He will become prettier for the next episode... prepare your heart guuuuuuys !!!!!!!!^0^
*is it only me? that I have to look away when LJK gives us a stare straight from the scene with Soo.... I feel sooo embarrassed
Oooo my weak heart.. be still and healthy pleasee
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Johan
September 20, 2016 at 1:03 AM
I did not look away but..
I unconsciously stop breathing.?
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jakka_elle
September 20, 2016 at 1:36 AM
Did you see his updone hair in su's (terrifying) vision? He's gonna get married!?
And the scar's gone too...
Yes this was the best scene. Over all with the washing up scar shows again effect. I had goosebumps.
Is this why the title is Scarlet Heart because of So's Scar? I can get the heart part Hahaha.
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108 jakka_elle
September 20, 2016 at 1:31 AM
How can people hate this show i dont know. I just love everything about it except that I have to wait 6 days to see the next two episodes and then again, the many other versions and cut scenes. Haha. The close ups would be so hateful if the actors were awkward/not good in acting. But they're so intense, their looks (eyes) are soooo. I watch the raw and understand the scene based on their eye's expressions. Like youd know there's something wrong immediately and the music is not bad, LSS. And wow the princes are so vibrant. I mean, every prince is either too useful to the story or too antagonistic. Hahaha. Imagine removing one and its not the same show/plot. Maybe even more important than the general haha. We have yet to know why he is there.
And heads2no Queen sinmyeongseungyong... name too long. Haha
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109 Aimee
September 20, 2016 at 1:31 AM
Which also brings up a whole host of questions about how Su is or isn’t impacting history with her presence in the past. It’s not an issue the show seemed to want to touch with a ten foot pole until now, and even then, I don’t know if they were making the direct correlation that Su just opened the door for So to become King Gwangjong. Or maybe they were, who knows.
I think that's exactly what's going to happen. Some have also pointed it out when that concealer scene first appeared in the teasers.
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110 silentbeluga
September 20, 2016 at 1:40 AM
Apologies for the slightly pretentious comment that's about to follow. Just felt the need to get it off my chest and maybe offer a bit of an explanation as to why some of us are Team Wook (even though, we know, we know, So is endgame ;) ).
I completely understand the Lee Jung Ki love and I think he deserves it too. He’s great. Very fluid, very « in the moment », very subtle in his acting and yet always very clear; you never have to wonder about what he’s trying to convey. That said, I still respond to Kang Ha Neul better. Yes, he’s hot (but I mean, they both are, each in their own way) but it’s more than that. I remember seeing him in Heirs, and there was a lot of hotness on that set between Lee Min Ho, Kim Woo Bin, Choi Jin Hyuk (’m forgetting someone, I’m sure…), but Kang Ha Neul really was a standout for me. I wondered why I paid so much attention to that guy back then and why I still do now even though there is SO MUCH PRETTY around. Why do I care so much more about him? And I think it has to do with presence. It might be a film actor vs theatre actor thing and maybe I respond so well to the later because I spend too much time with theatre people (and I understand that Mr. Kang Ha Neul is a big theatre nerd) but I can literally FEEL HIM work to embody his character. There’s an energy about him because he’s working so goddamn hard every second that he’s on screen. Even if he’s just in the background, even when he doesn’t have any lines or when the scene is not about him, I can see him working to exist in the world as this character. He has his listening face dialed to 11 ALL THE TIME The moments where he feels things deeply and yet doesn't move a muscle in his face KILL ME. It's not just an eye thing or an expression-thing, it's a full-body thing. When he cried after his wife's death, I felt it in my gut. He was hurting from head to toe and it was in his whole being.That was a deep, deep pain. He doesn't just act with his face, or his head, or his voice, he acts with everything he's got and I have nothing but respect for that. It's the kind of awareness that makes you take notice of someone the second they step on a stage and it's a very difficult thing to master. That’s why I’m a die-hard Wookie about to get her heard broken in a million pieces :)
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silentbeluga
September 20, 2016 at 1:41 AM
*heart*. Heart broken in a million pieces.
Dammit fingers, why do you betray me so?
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coco
September 20, 2016 at 1:54 AM
KHN do great but the story didn't favour him,
his character is way more nice than So,
his character needs more background and interesting but ofc the hurt male lead get heals will attract people/fans more, they just love the rough boy falls in love and claimed anyone as his own,
then add the visual and the acting chops to justify that it's because the acting is good and we love him so it's our choice,
so it's the bad-boy-male-lead-handsome-face effect, kdrama rarely changed,
#letofmysteam
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Lynn
September 20, 2016 at 6:20 AM
Actually I think HKN is doing great as the 8th Prince. That character on the surface is 'warm' and the ultimate gentleman but beneath the surface he hides great ambitions and frankly cold calculation. Subtly but surely, HKN is playing him very well. So far we've only seen his 'tender' side but I suspect in episode nine we'll be finally seeing his true colors.
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Linda Palapala
September 20, 2016 at 9:34 AM
Except I see absolutely no chemistry between her and Wook. Yes, he's sweet to her, but he's also kind of wimpy. She needs someone to challenge her and she can be helpful to. He's great for a first love, though. And I'm curious to see how he handles jealousy. Will he wimp out and give up or will there be fighting?
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111 Catz
September 20, 2016 at 1:43 AM
Thank goodness scenes were allocated to the right actors :) I ended up watching the whole episode from start to end, and was in awe of the ritual presented by 4th Prince.
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112 Bongsookie
September 20, 2016 at 2:00 AM
The scene between Hae Soo and Wang So (after the makeup was done) wasn't in the version I watched. Seems like I've been watching the original cuts and have not seen the SBS edited version. Is this recap based on the SBS version?
And just asking for opinions, which version is better to watch? Original or SBS cut? The site where I watch only has the raws for SBS version - they only have subs for original version. I know another site only had the SBS version subbed but it's slower in releasing subs...so is SBS version worth waiting longer for the subs?
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Bongsookie
September 20, 2016 at 2:02 AM
Oops sorry for the numerous typos above!
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lovefallacy
September 20, 2016 at 2:04 AM
I think the SBS version is better in terms of the editing and showing more complete / character-building scenes. But if you can't wait to watch like me than you can always watch the original version first and supplement yourself with the subbed SBS version later.
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Linda Palapala
September 20, 2016 at 9:37 AM
I had the same issue with DF. Had no idea they edited out this scene (it was subbed yet) so they could quickly post the new episode. When I watched it elsewhere I was shocked they left out such an important scene. But I didn't know what they were saying and thank you so much recapper for letting me know what was actually said. What else have I missed that was important??
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endo
September 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM
I've been saying this over and over:
DRAMAFEVER DID NOT CUT ANYTHING. IT'S SBS THAT ADDED SCENES ON KOREAN VERSION.
This is a PRE-PRODUCED Drama. The version you've been seeing in streaming sites like DF and Yuoku are the edits that was approved and released for international Streaming.
The SBS (Korea) version were RE-EDITED in an attempt to improve the poor ratinfgs it's getting in South Korea. So they added some scenes.
If there's anybody to blame. It's the Production team. Lol.
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113 Hannah
September 20, 2016 at 2:23 AM
The last scene give me a goosebump! Woahh its totally insane mannn. LJK deserves a standing ovation and every award for his acting. Kudos!
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114 Camille
September 20, 2016 at 2:39 AM
I got the shock of my life when he said "I am yours"
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YY
September 20, 2016 at 7:04 AM
Loved that part...next thing I know I'm hollering, "I am yours too Jun-ki!!!!"
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115 IvoryLight
September 20, 2016 at 2:53 AM
On a slightly different tack to all the well deserved love being sent Jun Ki's way...but I really liked IU's performance and delivery during her argument with Lady Oh, after she got slapped.
You can obviously tell who the more seasoned actors are here, but IU's acting leveled up this episode I feel. My most favorite scene is still when she was applying makeup to Myung Hee and the scene in the snow with her and Myung Hee and Wook. Hoping she'll get the chance to have similarly stirring performances with LJK and KHN!!
Also in the ritual scenes...Where was Eun? Lol. Just curious how he managed to get out of standing in the sun for hours on end...
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Barbrey
September 20, 2016 at 3:08 AM
I absolutely agree with you about IU. I've liked her from the beginning but she's been getting better and better throughout, and I just loved that scene with Lady Oh. Also, say what you will about the close-ups, but there are not many actresses who can pull such close scrutiny off, not only in the looks but the expressions department. I think she was pitch perfect this episode.
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pogo
September 20, 2016 at 4:23 AM
IU can be really good at emotional scenes, and has the ability to portray emotion with subtlety - she's not a perfect actress, but she does hold up well against KHN and oppa. (and especially when she's allowed to be something other than O_O, which I blame on the director since IU herself was far better in previous dramas)
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bips99
September 20, 2016 at 6:47 AM
I like her in comic scenes. She does them well. And she does have a ton of expressions. Anything with a lighter tone she is good.
But i do think she falters in really intense scenes. Like the scene where WS confesses, she has this eyes wide open surprised expression throughout from the time he catches her shoulder till he almost kisses her. I wish she had altered it to his beats since his face and voice was doing so much.
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Linda Palapala
September 20, 2016 at 9:38 AM
She's carried a huge burden being in so many scenes, especially for someone young and inexperienced. I think she's growing by leaps and bounds.
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116 taro
September 20, 2016 at 3:13 AM
please, give a little love to wang eun :) he is annoying, he is dumb, he is spoiled etc. - but he is important: maybe baekhyun is important for the fangirls, but wang eun is important for the story.
in this story everyone's chasing his dreams: his/her dream of happines/power/love/acceptance/freedom - and everyone must sacrifice something/someone to reach his dream. the tragic, that everyone loses in this story something important - we have to pay for our dreams. in this story all of our characters are flawed somehow:emotionally or physically from the beginning - and we know that it's no a happy ending for everyone.
wang eun is the only one who is innocent from the beginning, soon duk's love for him is the only love line in the story what innocent to. she fall for him as a child, she don't want change him, she is aware of his flaws but she accept him.
their screen time is not unnecessary
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pogo
September 20, 2016 at 8:18 AM
wang eun is important for the story.
Not sure from what angle. His parts could be easily taken over by Jung with no loss (especially since Ji-soo is a better actor and his character is pretty much similar).
As things stand, Eun is a waste of screen time and space, Su could easily find that innocence in one of the other younger princes and maybe we wouldn't lose precious minutes of screen time on the inconsequential Adventures of Eun.
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taro
September 20, 2016 at 10:02 AM
jung is not eun, the characters are similar, but not the same. jung is not so innocent like eun.
and for the story: in this drama we don't have black and white characters. our heroine is not a perfect mary sue/candy, our first lead not the classic bad boy, our second lead not the archetypical good boy, we can hate wholeheartedly the antagonists, but our bad boys and girls have reasonable actions and motives. this is a grey world, full with intrigue and bloodshed. the only pure characters are eun and soon duk. you need them for the contrast. you can change the actor, but you can't cut the character out from the drama
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pogo
September 20, 2016 at 10:39 AM
Honestly, I see Eun as a superfluous annoyance whose childishness stopped being cute five episodes ago, and the only reason why he can't be cut out altogether is because this is pre-produced. (and let's not even start on the acting)
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taro
September 20, 2016 at 11:03 AM
we can agree to disagree :)
pogo
September 20, 2016 at 12:13 PM
Sure. Just pointing out that Eun isn't going to get any love because the majority of viewers do see him pretty much the way I described.
117 Coco M.
September 20, 2016 at 3:20 AM
Wang So's side profile alone got me preggers. FOURTH PRINCE, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND FATHER THIS CHILD!
On a more serious note, I watched this episode in the presence of other people and I was struggling so hard to keep a straight face! Especially during that soul-burning makeup scene GOOD LORD I lost all self-control and some sort of inhuman noise pushed past my lips. Oops.
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Gracery
September 20, 2016 at 7:43 AM
LOL!!!
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Nana
September 20, 2016 at 9:29 AM
LOOOL!
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harmonyfb
September 20, 2016 at 5:26 PM
FOURTH PRINCE, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND FATHER THIS CHILD!
Heh. He looks deeply into the camera, ovaries explode all across the world.
GOOD LORD I lost all self-control and some sort of inhuman noise pushed past my lips.
You and me both, sister. Great googley-moogley, that profile. And eyes. And pretty, pretty teeth. And vulnerable stare. ("Oh, Wang So, come here, let this Ajumma make it alllll better.")
Opinion is divided in our house, though - my daughter thinks Wook is the prettiest, and my mother thinks Yo is. (Yo? FIGHT ME, MOM.)
Female cast-wise, though, Soon-Deok we all agree on - we all wish we looked like that. (And could wrestle and kill bears like that. Dang, girl.)
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118 Kay2
September 20, 2016 at 3:31 AM
Love this episode. It's the best so far in my opinion. The close ups are appropriately used and BGM is not jarring. There is also better flow of story and scenes. LJK's acting is of course spot on. I would also like to commend IU. I know she 's been getting a lot of flak for her acting but I don't see much to complain about. There are worse actresses than her who I think will not be able to carry Hae Su's character.
And 500+ comments... Wow! I'm happy this drama is receiving much love. I'm camping here in the comments section while waiting for the next episode. Keep your comments coming, they are a big help in understanding the scenes and characters more and gives more meaning to my viewing experience.
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119 Lee
September 20, 2016 at 3:32 AM
I just LOVE how So's jaw twitches whenever he's with Soo. Like he's at war with himself, trying to keep it in his pants. LMAO the struggle is real
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120 fab
September 20, 2016 at 3:35 AM
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/4278/3125/original.gif
Awwwww
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Brittany
September 20, 2016 at 10:55 AM
Really wish I spoke Korean so I wouldn't be at the mercy of subs....
That was so freaking sweet awh
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121 Lilium
September 20, 2016 at 3:38 AM
I think the Uk and Su pairing have outlived their welcome. Nothing much seems to happen between and there's not a lot of progression in that relationship. He is still making promises he cannot keep and now at least Su is beginning to realise of few home truths regarding life in the palace.
I'm sure he's the guy who plays his cards close to his chest but while he snoozes, he loses.
KHN and IU make it work but really it's getting a bit old.
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YY
September 20, 2016 at 7:16 AM
He's too slow; he's making small strides treading carefully in the snow, but what he doesn't realize is So just caught hold of a snowmobile and is zooming at breakneck speed to the throne and straight into Su's heart.
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chattynat
September 20, 2016 at 9:16 AM
That description...was so apt.
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evy
September 20, 2016 at 11:04 AM
I can't agree more. Ur descpription says it all. Perfect analogy. Good job YY
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endo
September 20, 2016 at 1:09 PM
THIS IS PERFECT
*applauds*
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122 taro
September 20, 2016 at 3:47 AM
it's somehow tragic that in the last scene wang so's wet hair clung on his face like his scar - you may hide the scar, but he never can't escape from it.
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123 Snowy
September 20, 2016 at 3:49 AM
Nice, BB cream was created in Goryeo. I wonder if they'll put Subway PPL in this drama and how on earth will they pull that off? xD
"Crown Prince, here is the sandwich you want as to-go." ~CP starts convulsing like the ajumma in Doctors~ -dead- ALL HAIL CROWN PRINCE SO
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michyeosseo
September 20, 2016 at 5:04 AM
Just to remind you, that "ahjumma in Doctors" and Wang Wook's queen mother is played by the same actress.
I'll never not remember Subway PPLs as that patient-killing-sandwich hahaha
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endo
September 20, 2016 at 1:09 PM
But she didn't take a bite? Right?
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halfmoon
September 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM
Subway PPL -- it's still highly possible. Soo is from the present where there are Subway shops. All the show has to do is to show a flashback of her time there, or bring her back to modern times. Sigh. Let's hope it doesn't show up.
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124 Mitha
September 20, 2016 at 3:58 AM
I will consider this episode as my birthday present, along with this recaps and all of your comments here. Thanks for brightens my b'day.. #kisskiss
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125 pineapplegongzhu
September 20, 2016 at 4:12 AM
SO MUCH SKIN-SHIP!!!! FINALLY! BOAT! MAKE-UP SESSION!
What I love most about the boat scene is the fact that So and Su now have their own special place where only they know to find one another. And going with @Barbrey's phenomenal mythological tie in, I really like the imaginary of a love that flows free and through time. I really hope for a reincarnation happy ending.
I also love the motif of the mask/scar representing the level of comfort in their relationship. The first time she sees him completely without the mask is by accident. He treats her like a non-entity who has dared to see him exposed. Then, the second time is when he unwillingly has to unmask himself in front of everyone. She has ceased to become a non-entity, but his feelings continue to make him sensitive to her appraisal (maybe, hypersensitive). And now, he allows her to unmask him. That was such a lovely and sensual gesture. Not only that, but at the end of their preparatory talk, he closes his eyes (such a sign of trust): he allows her to view him without fixating on her reaction. I also love the reversal of “You are mine” to “I am yours” when he submits to her make-up prowess.
I’m not as convinced as some of the commenters that she is moved by So’s confession. She is affected, but who wouldn’t be affected by such an intense confession? Yet, his statements and actions towards her seem erratic. I wouldn’t be surprised if she doesn’t view him romantically, even after the confession. I just find it kind of cute she has that deer-in-headlights look on her face when he goes in for the kiss. But, it’s interesting that in episode 4, the Wook/Su kiss-fail was because they were interrupted by the search party. Here, So actually backs off.
I particularly like her grabbing her bracelet after his attempted kiss, but I also found it ambiguous. Was she grabbing it because she was relieved not to violate her implicit relationship with Wook? Or, was she grabbing it as a reminder of her relationship to Wook in the midst of (unexpected, maybe even unwanted) attraction for So?
I also think that Wang So may be hurt, he may have our sympathies, but he's not innocent, he's actually quite ruthless. I think he is a sociopath, a bit of a loose canon: which way will he go? And I think Hae Sue represents redemption (her water symbolism against his fire symbolism) whereas Yeon Hwa will represent the ruthless way things have always been done.
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taro
September 20, 2016 at 4:52 AM
he is not a sociopath, but he is a loose cannon ( his personality is damaged, he has psychological problems/issues but this don't make him a sociopath (a person with an antisocial personality disorder))
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126 royrose
September 20, 2016 at 4:15 AM
I guess I'm the only one in the whole planet who actually liked the DF version more than the SBS version for this episode (this episode only, tho).
I'm liking the slow-burning relationship of So and Su and So confessed to her like that kind of breaking the pace for me. It's true that for the SoSu relationship to progress So needs to waver the Wook-smitten Su quickly, but looking at the preview it seems like Su won't react well to his advances, probably because of her vision of So becoming Gwangjong, and if So already confessed to Su, wouldn't he take it as her refusing him? I just don't want to see heart-broken Wang So, please TT-TT.
Let it be her reacting about her vision and confuses So, rather than So thinking she refuses him >.<
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Gracery
September 20, 2016 at 7:46 AM
Agreed! I saw that cut scene after the International version and I thought it all felt very sudden for romantic moves like that! I like it out but for now but will welcome it very much in the coming eps.
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Why did So not defend Su?
September 20, 2016 at 3:40 PM
I so agree with you! regarding how for this episode, the original version, i.e. DramaFever one is better.
Thanks for comenting this, because until now I thought I was the only one who didn't like the confession scene. It felt to sudden.
Just some episodes ago, So didn't care if Su lived or not, and was really hostile towards her, and now he's declaring his love for her. It was too fast-paced, specially because he was focused in the rain ritual and suffering because of it, but suddenly all his attention was on Su. Not to mention that minutes earlier he didn't defend her when the Queen was mistreating her and PULLING her hair.
I am so dissapointed at So for not defending Su. Specially because the one who mistreated her was his mom, someone who has mistreated him too and in extreme ways, so clearly his mom is not a person worthy of his respect.
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127 royrose
September 20, 2016 at 4:22 AM
Oh, and please don't kill off Lady Oh, Show! I reeeally like her. She has developed some kind of friendship with Su, too. Don't you dare kill her off!
(sorry for the double post)
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128 Samy
September 20, 2016 at 4:23 AM
Ep 8 was so good! The ending was chilling.
Favorite Moments:
HS/13th Prince: Their friendship is great and I love how he is the captain of the HS/WS ship.
HS/WS: So many feels! For her, the scar was never a big deal and the way she gently touched it and the only thing we were missing was his heart beating like crazy. Yes, he is going to fight to get the woman he has fallen for. Love the fact HS knows where to find WS. They know each other so well.
I really, really, really hate the 3rd Prince and the evil Queen. Glad, WS wiped their smug faces in the end.
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129 Jungkilover
September 20, 2016 at 5:26 AM
LJK is my favourite since arang and the magistrate. He is a great actor. But I don't really like the female lead' s acting. Just not really to my liking. Hmm..perhaps it is just me. She doesn't emit the chemistry that will make my heart flutters and my soul wanting more of her and LJK together. Just....i guess..i'll pass this drama. Gonna wait for another LJK' s work.
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Meisxie
September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM
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endo
September 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM
You're kidding right? How come you missed LJK in Arang? Hoowwwwwww?!
LOL.
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130 leeboo
September 20, 2016 at 5:35 AM
Just read comments 1-115, with all the sub comments. Please keep it coming. Can't believe the way you guys infer like a gazillion meaning from a single episode.
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131 bips99
September 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM
Now that i finished spazzing about LJK, I want to mention my favourite part of the show :-
WS has ambitions. Big ones! He doesn't want to be king for a girl he met 5 days back. Despite being rejected and thrown away, He has been nursing this ambition for years.
His conversation with the general in the previous episodes, his expressions in this, all scream - i want to be king
And had HS not come up with her BB cream, he still would have walked the ritual. And even after being pelted again, he would have done it again and again if it got him where he wanted to go
I love that his existence is not dependent on his luuurve for HS. His ambition, his drive, his pride, his goodness exist independent of her
She just makes him happy.
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132 taro
September 20, 2016 at 5:43 AM
you can watch the sbs broadcast on
https://aqstream.com/
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133 youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 5:45 AM
Not looking left, right or centre at the comments because I'm still only eight minutes in the episode, but I just have to say-- suddenly I'm shipping Baek Ah and Soo so hard right now. HALT ALL PROGRESS, BRAIN. YOU ARE ON TIME-OUT.
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134 Miss Jen Piscean
September 20, 2016 at 5:51 AM
Im loving this recap at leasr here there's no such this as deleted scenes. I'm so worried that even the recap will ommit the deleted scene between Hae Su & Wang Soo. I'm glad it wasn't ??
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135 LeeJunKi'sManes'Fan
September 20, 2016 at 6:48 AM
Lee Jun Ki:
“Do you remember? I told you that you were mine,” So says. “Then and now, and the moment you touched my face… I decided that you would be mine. So prepare your heart from this point forward. I… will never let you go.”
Me:
Yes. A thousand times, yes. Don't ever let me go. Please?
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136 Kay2
September 20, 2016 at 7:08 AM
Looks like the game of thrones is finally starting. I'm just worried how they are gonna cram the reign of two kings after Taejo and then Wang So's in 12 episodes. I know they have to do time jumps but I'm hoping that the flow of the story won't be compromised. And there were also new characters that were introduced in previous episodes and we haven't seen much of them yet or know what there roles will be in the princes' and Hae Su's lives. Or will they use their creative license and skip the next two kings and focus on Gwangjo? Well, I'm really enjoying this drama so far and I'll just keep positive thoughts that the writer knew what he was doing with the material.
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137 pam
September 20, 2016 at 8:01 AM
plain face actress
boring in acting
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138 보라누나
September 20, 2016 at 8:06 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that scar is very attractive?! I'd still be interested in So nevertheless!
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Metebelis3
September 21, 2016 at 2:29 PM
@Bora
No you're not! I thought the same thing, there's a strange beauty to his scar. Then I wondered if it was normal of me to think that :'D
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139 youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 8:07 AM
Those last few shots of So and Su, with the sudden red screen splash were stunning and terrifying. My heart actually skipped a beat.
I think I'm going to be in the minority in this, but I don't mind if this show goes intense and dark. I actually LOVE the idea that So was feared and mocked as a "monster" before because of his scar, but he perhaps only really became a "monster" so to speak, in terms of finally gaining the ability to be powerful in the context of Goryeo's cultures and systems, after Su hid the scar. I wouldn't mind Su betraying her promises to both Wook and So. And I wouldn't mind Wook's jealousy driving him into wrongful acts, as he's been rather upstanding till now. Usually I'm a shipper at heart and I always want the best for my ships, but there's something about this show which really makes me wish it'll push the envelope. That it really manages to show both sides of characters like these; Hae Soo who was betrayed by her friend and in turn almost (and maybe emotionally) betrayed the cousin who took care of her without much regret, So who is precise, detailed, intelligent and has lived through years of trauma and is still kind to the people kind to him but also capable of murdering a houseful of people without remorse, or Wook who does what is righteous in name, but doesn't always live up to it in spirit. I am actually really excited for this, even though I do understand that most people would prefer that this part not be overemphasized since we do love these characters and their interactions.
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IvoryLight
September 20, 2016 at 8:17 AM
"Those last few shots of So and Su, with the sudden red screen splash were stunning and terrifying. My heart actually skipped a beat."
Tell me about it. The shift was so jarring and unexpected, it was like my melo suddenly morphed into this scary horror film right before my eyes...and the stark contrast between pleased puppy So and how coolly [i]cruel[i] Gwangjong looked in that vision thing didn't help...
I'm of two minds about her visions...they are frightening, both the content and the fact that she's having them...but I would like some explanation as to WHY..yes yes I know she traveled back in time to someone else's body but...I really need to know why she's seeing all these things!
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YY
September 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM
Many lives, many lifetimes....I believe she is the reincarnation of Hae Su, and she traveled back to the past and her past self. The visions she gets are from her past memories in her previous life, buried for centuries and now reawakened as she finds herself in her past self. She is connected to the princes somehow, and I think she'll find the connection when she goes back to her real modern life...I'm confident she will survive somehow and find her way back home, and even if she loses So to the princess in this lifetime, she will meet the reincarnated So in the modern world.
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youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 11:36 AM
That's a really good point! It could actually be the memories of her past self. In modern times, you have those people who put you in a trance, and help you "remember" who you were in your past life. And it could be, that instead of remembering, she is reliving her past life as her present self, and recalling her old memories. The idea that these "visions" are actually Hae Soo's memories (as opposed to Go Ha Jin's visions) is very, very interesting. It also makes me wonder about the connection between Hae Soo and Ha Jin and whether they're the same person (in the idea of one soul) or not.
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taro
September 20, 2016 at 1:18 PM
and thus we arrived in the world of temporal paradoxes
youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 2:19 PM
@taro: Lol, we could probably write a 1000 comments just on that, it's always such a discussion-worthy, debatable subject!
baek
September 27, 2016 at 10:56 PM
ur theory does support why she could be having vision..
but if thats the case.. why is she changing history or should i say bringing knowledge of the future into his last life or stuff..
if its an memory, there shouldn't be any new stuff from future..
or is she re-playing and going through again her past life with her current life..
i guess anything can happen in drama world *W is one good example lols*
IvoryLight
September 20, 2016 at 7:13 PM
Oooo thanks YY, that is an explanation I can get behind and it could also partly explain why she gets so very affected by the visions...it's one thing to simply imagine something but completely another to 'remember' it..the latter comes with a lot more emotional baggage and therefore resonates far more strongly.
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youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 11:29 AM
Yes, the whole unexpectedness of it, just as they were smiling at each other and it was An OTP Moment was just so fantastically well done and so incongruous and jarring to everything that had happened before, and just as we were rooting for So. The utter sense of defamiliarization, which- as Heads pointed out- made me evaluate how much I actually know of the character. And especially the superimposition of puppy So with Gwangjong and LJK's micro-expressions was just an emotional roller-coaster all on its own.
I love the visions because we're not yet completely sure, whether they're a result of her time-travelling, some sort of warning, or just her own imagination. Is it that she's trying to piece together the bits of history that she remembers and developing a sort of paranoia about who Gwangjong might be, or is it that these are real visions which relate to her purpose of being stuck in Goryeo? I'm sure the show will explore that eventually, it seems to be an important angle
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bips99
September 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM
Zoe, my thoughts exactly. I said it in another comment, i wouldn;t mind the romance going kaput if the show truly takes a dark turn. I would love to see a cruel, borderline psychotic WS.
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youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 11:17 AM
I'm glad someone agrees, lol! But yeah, as much as I absolutely love the romance and chemistry between all the leads, I feel like there are darker edges to all the characters that are simply too fascinating to ignore or sideline. WS, because of his life till now and the traumatic incidents he's been through, has already shown a tendency towards obsession, as with his mother. So I wouldn't be entirely surprised if some of that transfers to Su. And Wook also doesn't seem like he'd take kindly to being sidelined in favor of someone else. And hoe good did Lee Junki look with his evil face on, sigh /shallow
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pogo
September 20, 2016 at 11:08 AM
I could actually get behind things going that dark, if the show committed to it (I may or may not be influenced by a long-held desire to see Lee Jun-ki in a villainous role, and this has real potential whether it goes that way or not).
But at the same time I'll still be over there in the corner howling "NOOOOO BUT THEY WERE FRIENDS!!", lol. This drama gives me way too many contradictory feelings.
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youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 11:21 AM
I KNOW. That's what I'm afraid of!! That they'll explore it covertly but won't commit!! Like they did excellently with Wook and Su's romance and the sort of emotional cheating that were carrying out oblivious of all else, which they were called on by Baek Ah. But we're not getting as much now about whether their romance still borders that line of value-discontent or not. So I hope if they make their characters dark, they really commit to it. I'm all up for self-serving Su as well, who is not above using the princes for her survival, as long as the show does it well. And ofc, Lee Junki, who's already made me a fan of his dark side in a split second!
Hahaha, I'll be in the corner with you going "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR."
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pogo
September 20, 2016 at 12:02 PM
Wook and Su's situation is rather different after Lady Hae's death, i.e. he's no longer married and even before her death, Lady Hae had asked him to wife up Su after she was gone/went as far as asking her mother-in-law to accept Su as Wook's wife. So in a weird way, they actually did have her blessing.
Obviously, Taejo put a major crimp in that plan by trying to marry Su himself, but right now the main element of forbidden in Su and Wook's romance comes from the fact that she's in the Damiwon and her duties don't allow it.
When it comes to So, I found it very interesting that the narrative actually had Su become friends with him first - I did NOT expect that from this story (I'll be honest, I expected the usual hate-to-attraction trajectory, without the kind of casual ease So and Su came to share as friends before he realised she wasn't just a buddy with really good makeup skills).
But now Su has seen the spectre of Gwangjong and spooked, I worry that that friendship is going to go out the window (whyyyyy?! I genuinely enjoyed them as two people who actually talked and confided in each other - so rare in kdramas) to be replaced by the more conventional dynamic where she decides he's scary and rejects him for being Gwangjong and he gets even more obsessive with her in response to that.
But I still want to see Lee Jun-ki go over to the dark side. For science. Even if I howl at the end.
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youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 2:33 PM
I agree re: Wook/Su, but I also feel like since this show explicitly recognizes the problematics that always lay with them, and thus the Baek Ah confrontation scene (damn, I suddenly need a lot more Nam Joo Hyuk/IU, they too have so much chemistry TT), it would be too easy for them to put those aside because Lady Hae died. Even while she was alive, as the drama pointed out, the problem was never exactly cultural, it was walking that fine line of morality and principles, etc., and was recognized as such. Wook and Su were chastised and felt it. And in that, Lady Hae's death makes it okay in a way, but worse in others.
And yes to all your So points!! It was so glorious to see them be genuine friends, that I find it hard to give that up since that dynamic was so refreshing and different. On the other hand, the darker, more angst-ridden side of this relationship- YES PLEASE. I am so torn right now, why does this show always make me want everything at once.
Before he realised she wasn’t just a buddy with really good makeup skills
Hehe, always a very useful skill in a buddy. I'm always looking for friends with good make-up skills ^^
But also, it might actually be Su's rejection of him because of his future as Gwangjong that ultimately makes him Gwangjong since that would be the final blow to his ability to trust someone implicitly, and would push him to the dark side. (Ah, so long since I've used the term 'dark side', I missed it, lol. And if the last scene was any indication-- The Dark Side has the Even Hotter LJK.)
pogo
September 20, 2016 at 6:47 PM
You're right about Wook/Su - the problem was never about being technically in the right, it was about Lady Hae's feelings - and that was the reason for most of Wook's guilt.
pogo
September 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM
sorry, that second-to-last para should read
*and he gets even more obsessive with her in response to that because he can't understand why she suddenly had an attitude change (not that I support his behaviour, but I can see how that would do his head in)
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140 Nana
September 20, 2016 at 9:14 AM
Can someone please tell me where they watch the enG sub of the version that includes all the scenes. I freaking missed the scene where So proclaims his feels for her. Someone please help me out! I live for their scenes lol
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141 Linda Palapala
September 20, 2016 at 9:25 AM
Too many comments to read! Now I have a real issue with watching on DF because they left out the whole scene with the mirror and him telling her she's his and almost kissing her. Because they edited out parts that weren't subbed yet. Thank goodness you went thru this whole scene. That was a very important scene and entirely missed on DF. Aargh. What else have I missed??
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mary
September 22, 2016 at 3:10 AM
It's not like that. DF got the international preproduced version in advance and that's the one they timed and sub. That's the one they got from their contract with the producers.
The KR version is being re-edited right now for the domestic audience and for some reason the producers aren't giving this version to their international partners.
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142 Mel
September 20, 2016 at 9:42 AM
Judging from the next preview, I am hoping Hae Soo doesn't force herself to be with Wang So. I hope she truly begins to love him. I'm so frustrated because I feel like the advertisement for this show was under false pretenses. I'm doubting their romance as "real" i guess. This episode though was really good, after a few weeks of being kind of blegh. I want to like the 8th prince, but i love Lee Jun Ki more lol.
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143 chattynat
September 20, 2016 at 9:58 AM
I...uh...this show. God. This show. It's destroying me.
I'm trying really hard to gather my scrambling thoughts. I honestly don't know where to begin. Maybe letting out my frustrations with the editing team should be first on the agenda. What the effing EFFF were they doing for the six months they were sitting on this? International versions are missing out on such explosive scenes, I honestly at this moment can't fathom their reasoning/logic. Like, WTF? How COULD YOU GET RID OF IT? I watched the show once all the subs were out but the scene with HS and WS after she finished applying makeup on him - initially, without the subs, I didn't realise what was happening except the vague idea that I was missing out on something important. Someone here graciously uploaded the subbed version of that portion and holy cow, what a freaking scene! LJK is a phenomenal actor, that talent of his is unparalleled. His face literally transforms in less than a second, and it's so freaking expressive and heart-breaking. His chemistry with IU is dazzling, my screen legit lights up in a million colours. I know a lot of people are criticizing IU for her acting but I honestly don't think she deserves the backlash. I think she's holding up pretty well and her fear after she realises that WS is/could be Gwangjong was wonderfully portrayed. To me, it felt like that like it was almost a mixture of fear/awe - fear because she finally realises that he really IS capable of having a dark, ambitious side (he's threatened her before, but I think their tentative friendship gave her a sense of easiness) and awe because she recognises the kind of strong, almost ruthless, determination he must have despite the being told all his life that he just isn't worth two pence. He's brought himself to this point, scar and all and that takes guts and grit. I think, after a couple of bumps here and there, the show has finally found its footing and what a strong one at that! That point when Wook, for a tiny second, looks disappointed that his name didn't come up for the ceremony is alluding to the fact his mask too is slipping. It'll be interesting to see where the show takes us here from now on. I am hoping it takes a darker tone, pulling in the ideas of betrayal, sacrifice and all that jazz because clearly~I live for the drama!
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Mel
September 20, 2016 at 10:11 AM
I totally agree with you! How could they edit out such crucial parts for us? I hate when people do this. It makes the story all jumpy and it doesn't flow right. LJK is so such a great actor and he takes me to ALL THE emotional places with his expressions and his presence. I guess it took them 8 episodes to set the story in motion? I could've gone without all the Wook/Soo scenes tho. Their storyline is draaaggggingggg.
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chattynat
September 20, 2016 at 10:22 AM
I know! While I love Wook because he truly is a magnificent character and wonderfully portrayed by KHN, I wanted to see more of his ambitious side that the show has very vaguely hinted at for the past 8 episodes. The focus on his relationship with HS has definitely gone on long enough, it's time we get our screen time back on HS and WS because damn, it's sizzling!
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Mel
September 20, 2016 at 10:34 AM
Kang Ha Neul is wonderful as the 8th Prince. He gives his all into that role, and he's totally believable. I'd definitely like to see a change in his vibe...which I'm sure we will see once Hae Soo and So heat up. I've been so patiently waiting for So and Hae Soo to have their own loveline. I'm truly hoping she'll stop being afraid of him and just let go of all that fear. BECAUSE HE NEEDS LOVE TOO haha.
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chattynat
September 20, 2016 at 10:17 AM
I find it interesting that WS not only slipped off his outer, physical mask but his inner ambitions also come spilling out. In the previous episodes, he's tried consistently to prove he's CP's most loyal supporter and except for that scene with the General, he's been rather silent on his motives. But when he shoves Yo out of the way, the declaration that the seat is reserved only for the CP and him, it seems rather loaded with meaning. It's not a statement that he lightly makes and from what I've observed, he's very careful with the way he speaks. He has to be, because the wolves are constantly out to get him, to find his weaknesses. And that end scene, that smile. Gosh, that smile truly sent shivers down my spine. He's got his back to the crowd but with that smile, it's almost as if he's acknowledging to himself that the time for hiding is over and to lay claim on what he truly desires.
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Mel
September 20, 2016 at 10:25 AM
I guess from the very beginning, he knew what he was doing. Which makes me wonder what the astronomer's role in all of this is? He's always been pushing for So to rise, so he's got to know the future right? Is that why he sought Go Ha Jin out? Is she inadvertently helping So become king? So many questions.
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chattynat
September 20, 2016 at 10:40 AM
Quite possibly. Maybe he had always harbored some intention of extracting a pound of flesh from the people who had ostracized him since he was a little boy. The idea of capturing the crown might have not possibly been the ultimate goal initially but with the appearance of HS, the narrative might have completely changed. Because of her, he's allowing himself to venture beyond that initial plan. Her arrival opens up the possibility for him to reach higher. Him 'never letting her go' not only gives him a friend/love interest but an ally whose support can expand his political ambitions. And it is here, that we might consider then the role of the astronomer. It does make sense to conclude that he, like others have suggested, is a time traveller who recognises that importance of such an ally to make WS the type of person he will eventually go on to become, for history to take the course we are all familiar with. Gah! This is all just speculation at this point but I legit can't wait to see how the show pulls through!
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Mel
September 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM
I can't wait either! We're halfway there and I'm excited to see where this show goes. I don't think it will be a happy ending, but I knew that from the get-go. Mostly, I'm just excited for LJK's acting. And also his beautiful face. :)
Mel
September 20, 2016 at 11:04 AM
If Wang So is going to kill anyone, I TRULY HOPE he does NOT kill Baek-ah! Their brotherly love makes me so happy. To see someone actually SUPPORT So and comfort him brings me the feels.
144 dany
September 20, 2016 at 10:17 AM
Thanks for the recap.
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145 Brittany
September 20, 2016 at 10:41 AM
All I gotta say is BLESS and THANK YOU for posting these and keeping us in the loop! Hopefully one day I'll be able to watch the full version, most up to date version, whatever the case may be. Until then, I look forward to your witty and detailed recaps!
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146 ScarletRed
September 20, 2016 at 10:45 AM
If ever Wang So need to kill family members, they must be a threat to the throne. Could they be the 3rd Prince and the Queen who since ep 1 have been busy devising strategies to kill the Crown Prince? Remember Wang So offered himself to the King and the Crown Prince not only as a good son or brother but a loyal subject.
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Mel
September 20, 2016 at 10:59 AM
I feel like that's all going to change now. Yes, maybe a loyal subject with a scar, but now that he doesn't need his mask anymore, his goals changed. His confidence rose, and now he probably feels invincible. I feel like Hae Soo set up the stage for him to kill his family members and claim the throne as his.
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147 Miza Khairina
September 20, 2016 at 11:09 AM
Team Hae Soo and Wang So all the way! <3
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148 evy
September 20, 2016 at 11:26 AM
I commented on eps 7 about how I wanna see Wang so with eyeliner, and I bet he will look hot and edible more than 3rd prince. And holy cow, its exactly what i'm asking for here in eps 8.. wang so with eyeliner and sinister smile, it makes me hold my breath. So beautiful yet terrifying, I cant portray another actor who can pull this one scene better than LJK. And although my heart os satisfied looking at more So-Soo, I feel a bit cheated. The production team gives 7 eps to build Su-Wook relationship. And yes though I can sense that's kinda innocent puppy love, while Su-So is more like a passionate breathtaking love, but I feel like I'm given only 3 eps with few scenes to build Su-Soo relationship and thats why in this ep 8, Soo's almost kiss feels too rushed. Wang So is serious, thoughtful, and I never saw him saying things he didn't mean or doing things with no meaning. And that's why I feel that romantic scene is too rushed. It feels almost impossible for So to change so fast from still awkward/reluctant of physical touch to be the initiator like that. I'm not complaining much though, I enjoy this eps immensely
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149 julilea
September 20, 2016 at 1:24 PM
For those of you who are interested in watching the SBS version fully subbed, I've found it on the blog ymbulletin06.
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julilea
September 20, 2016 at 1:37 PM
Forgot to mention: these are torrent links.
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150 Styles
September 20, 2016 at 1:40 PM
Why is this show getting so many comments? It's not like it has a great storyline like W. I didn't expect beanies to go crazy over an average show with bad editing. Though I love LJK in it but I fail to see what made it beanies to post so many comments. Signal was such a perfect show yet it didn't get more than 100 comments.
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julilea
September 20, 2016 at 2:22 PM
Like Kierkegaard said, humans are not motivated and do not find meaning in life through pure objectivity - instead, they find it through passion and desire. ;)
Never thought I'd see the day where I could link Lee Joon Ki to Kierkegaard...
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youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 2:49 PM
@Darcy, I recently linked my answer to questions as the one Styles asked to Barthes, so we're all in the same boat, hehe.
@Styles, it's kind of difficult to explain because it's so subjective lol. It doesn't have great production and editing, but it's a crack drama par excellence with time travel, history, geography, psychology, political theory and intrigue, ethics and morality, romance, beautiful people, and some really good actors and cinematography- not to mention make-up techniques- galore. And I don't think there's ever been such an explosive discussion of the Art of Drama-making before, what with all the direction and editing and OST choices. We're all going to come out of this having done a college credits course in Production 101.
But, even then, the engagement is truly extraordinary. It's not even the number, it's that they're also somehow long, well thought-out comments. In fact, it might be the second most commented on show after Healer, and I'm pretty sure none of the commenters know why either.
(Signal of course was absolutely brilliant in all ways possible.)
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youcallitwinter
September 20, 2016 at 2:56 PM
And, truly thinking about it, it can't even be just the Lee Junki factor, unless you factor in the character, because Lee Junki has done many dramas and sageuks at that- recapped on Dramabeans- which haven't received anywhere near the same level of response. So it's difficult to predict or comprehend what exactly works or why. All I know is that I stay awake all nights sometimes waiting for it to be subbed.
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