Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 6
by HeadsNo2
As if our resident damsel in distress couldn’t get into any more trouble, a sudden marriage is thrust upon her that she’s in no way equipped to deal with. (For that matter, neither are we.) It comes down to her troop of loyal princes to save her from an uncertain fate, though some need a little prodding to agree. And in the end, there’s only so much that they can do for her—the rest is up to Su.
Note: There are some different versions of these episodes floating around the vastness of the net, but for our purposes, we’ll be recapping off the version streamed live in Korea. So don’t be alarmed if you read of some scenes you haven’t seen, or don’t read of some that you have.
EPISODE 6 RECAP
Everyone’s dressed in white mourning robes for the funeral of Lady Hae, but it’s her husband, Wook, who lights the funeral pyre. Thirteenth prince Baek-ah keeps to himself as he cries over his own drawings of his late sister-in-law. Not just a sister-in-law to him, it seems.
Su sobs as the pyre goes up in flames, with So taking particular notice of her sadness. Wook remains in control of his expression.
Next thing we know, we find Su sitting with Baek-ah, who talks about having to wait to join Lady Hae in the afterlife. Su cries about how much she misses Lady Hae, and the two commiserate together. Are you guys friends now? When did this happen?
Su comes upon Wook sitting on the floor in his library later that night, but says nothing. He stares forward as he begins to talk aloud, though it seems like he’s talking more to himself than to her: “Why could I not say it? I knew she wanted to hear it, but I could not tell her that I loved her. I did not think that I did love her.”
But then, he says, he realized that his feelings were love, and that he did in fact love her. He was confused between what he thought were feelings of gratitude and general comfort with her, but in the end, he realized it was love.
Wook begins to cry piteously as he asks Su what he should do now. Like a lost child, he reaches forward to grab her skirt, desperately needing her comfort and assurance. “I should have told her,” he cries. “She waited so long.”
Wiping away at her own tears, Su kneels before him and takes him by the shoulders as she tells him that Lady Hae already knew. It’s not enough to soothe him, as he only sobs more deeply while blaming himself for being unable to tell his wife while it still mattered. He pushes Su’s arms away as he retreats back into himself, crying.
On her own, Su worries about what she’ll do now that Lady Hae is gone, but is interrupted by an insistent knock at her window. She opens it, and up pops a hand puppet dressed just like her. Joining it is another puppet of tenth prince Eun, as the real tenth prince alters his voice and uses the puppets to perform a cute little play of their first meeting (and his first beating).
Su can’t help but smile at the display, and Eun pokes his head up between the puppets to make sure his show is having its intended effect. Of course, he promptly proceeds to fall, having been standing on a servant’s shoulders to reach her window, which also serves to make Su laugh.
She admits that she was touched by the puppet show, adding, “You’re awesome!” (She uses the modern Korean term “Jjang!” with a thoroughly modern thumbs up). Eun’s glad to hear it, since he knew she needed some cheering up. But he hilariously wonders what the thumbs up means, and when she explains that the thumb rules over the five fingers, he thinks that’s a bit too much—the king should be the thumb.
He tries his index finger instead, thinking it a little more respectful. She laughs and goes along with it, telling him again that he’s jjang. He adopts the term as well, and mimics their conversation with the two puppets, adding some flourishes of his own, like Puppet Su gushing over how good looking Puppet Eun is. Hah.
Third prince Yo antagonizes So as has become his habit, but this time, So pushes back. He even helps his younger brother, Baek-ah, after Yo insults the artistic prince for his less than desirable lineage. Yo claims Goryeo is in danger, and So calls him out for acting like a big shot when their father still rules the throne. It’s all big talk, So claims, since Yo wouldn’t dare say any of these things in front of the king.
Su pays a visit to Lady Hae’s grave, mulling over her life here in Goryeo and how long she’ll have to live as Hae Su. These were the sorts of things she wanted to talk to Lady Hae about while she was alive, but she never got the chance. Even so, she thanks her cousin for all that she did.
Baek-ah and fourteenth prince Jung find her there and greet her warmly, so I guess we’ll have to take it on faith that Su and Baek-ah bonded over Lady Hae’s death. Jung can’t get over how fun it is to say “Fighting!” the way Su taught him. Hah.
The trio runs into Princess Yeonhwa in the palace, who claims to have good news for Su: she’ll be getting married. Cut to Wook finding out about the marriage, which Princess Yeonhwa and her elder supporters seem to be all about. It’ll be an advantageous match, and they’ll have to move on it quickly or risk losing it.
Something about it all seems fishy, and there’s only so much protesting Wook can do without looking suspicious. Baek-ah, however, is more than upset on Su’s behalf, and tries to get So to agree with him. So is unwilling to do so, since it’s Wook’s family affair—and after all, Su is of marrying age.
The other princes are thrown into a panic at the news, with Jung notifying everyone that the man Su is intended to marry is old, and has many sons. They realize that she’s not being married, she’s being sold—and ninth prince Won seems to be the only one who could care less. (Yo, who probably would care less, isn’t present.)
Wook overhears them, and asks for more information about the home Su is supposed to marry into. After hearing the details, he asks for his brothers’ help.
Slave girl Chae-ryung cries piteously as she packs her mistress’s things to prepare for her marriage, while Su looks to be in shock. Finally, she snaps herself out of it and tells Chae-ryung that she has to run. Chae-ryung completely supports her decision, and vows never to speak a word of her escape.
Luckily, Su is helped out by tenth prince Eun, who sneaks her out using the same window he used to perform the puppet show. Baek-ah also lends a helping hand, eventually getting Su to Wook, who disguises her in a hood as he leads her to a horse. “I can’t send you away like this,” Wook says, in answer to her questioning look.
Princess Yeonhwa spots Wook galloping off with Su sitting on the saddle in front of him, knowing full well who’s under the cloth. She orders a chase, and joins in it herself as her search party catches up to Wook, Jung, and his wrapped bundle.
But when it’s revealed that Eun is the one hidden under the silk, Princess Yeonhwa knows they’ve been fooled. The real Su is with So and Baek-ah, galloping as fast as they can on horseback. As they ride, Su looks back at So and thinks that she’s surprised even he pitched in to help her.
As if he can read her thoughts, So thinks, “It’s not because I like you. I simply don’t want to see you live a life where you’re controlled by others. That kind of life is not worth living.” Aw, you big softie.
All the princes converge on a common point in the forest, only to be stopped by Astronomer Choi and his party. He says he’s come to take Su into the palace, and it’s with dawning horror that Wook and the other princes come to realize exactly what he means.
“The king will marry Lady Su,” the astronomer says, much to the princes’ surprise. Wook confronts his uncles (well, the late Lady Hae’s uncles) over the match, but they’re both pleased as punch that they could become in-laws with the king. And if Su were to have the king’s child, even better for them.
Still, So refuses to let the men take Su, despite Princess Yeonhwa telling him that all of them could pay dearly if he doesn’t comply with the royal command. Su, hearing this, decides to go on her own so that no one will get hurt because of her.
Before she does, So stops her to ask if she won’t regret this. She tells him not to worry, and that she’ll try talking to the king. She can only offer a smile to Wook, but looks back up to So. Then, she’s gone. The princes are left to digest what just happened, which doesn’t seem to be an easy task.
Queen Sinmyeongsunseong confronts the king over choosing a new bride now, of all turbulent times. Worse yet, he’s in such a hurry that he’ll have the bedding before the actual ceremony even takes place. She wonders if this has something to do with him still suspecting her in the crown prince’s assassination attempt.
King Taejo basically tells her to mind her place, since he still doesn’t quite trust her and her greed. And since there are disputes on the borders, he claims, he needs the help of the Hae Clan—and the only way to get it is to marry a girl from that clan. Queen Sinmyeongsunseong huffs, and she puffs, but fails in blowing the palace down.
As she’s being carried to the palace in a palanquin, Su tries to think over her options without letting herself devolve into panic. In the palace, ROYAL CONCUBINE OH (Woo Hee-jin) is notified of the king’s soon-to-be wife.
Astronomer Choi gives Su a tour of Damiwon Palace, and completely ignores Su’s attempts to try and talk her way out of marrying a man she doesn’t know. Enter Concubine Oh, who comes to take a personal look at the new bride.
The astronomer couldn’t be happier to exit the scene, and warns Su under his breath to just follow her fate. That fate includes being checked over by Concubine Oh and her maids, since the concubine claims that a woman with scars on her body can’t marry the king.
Su crosses her arms over her chest protectively, unwilling to disrobe in front of strangers. The maids take her and strip her forcefully, with Concubine Oh claiming that they’re on a timeline—she’s to share the king’s bed tonight. What on earth is going on?
Queen Sinmyeongsunseong seems to be much more upset about the king’s potential new bride than Queen Sinjeong, but has no idea that the girl is actually Su. She finds this out when fourteenth prince Jung comes in to beg for her intervention.
Now Queen Sinmyeongsunseong understands why Wook’s mother was so calm about the wedding, because she stands to gain from it. But then Wook enters, presumably to plead with his mother for her intervention. When Queen Sinmyeongsunseong asks why he’s against Su’s marriage, Wook says it’s because he sees her as a younger sister. Also, it’s all very sudden.
Next up is Princess Yeonhwa, though we don’t get to hear what she has to say. In the meantime, Baek-ah tries to get So on their side, though he seems willing to let Su sort her own business out—she volunteered to go, after all. Baek-ah tries explaining that they’d all be dead if she hadn’t (for disobeying a royal command), but So just asks if he has feelings for her.
“I am not the one who has feelings for her,” Baek-ah retorts, though he doesn’t say who does. Instead, he tells his half-brother about how he and Su bonded after Lady Hae’s death, supplying us with flashbacks about their drunken antics following the funeral.
Su had asked him about his own feelings for Lady Hae, but Baek-ah explained that his status was too low for him to do anything about his feelings back then. Thoroughly wasted, Su had bemoaned the status system in Goryeo, and told Baek-ah to wait a thousand years—there (then), no one is above anyone else.
Though he’d tried to hush her, Su had gone on to tell Baek-ah that a person only lives once, and that death can come at any time. “You can just fall right out of the sky and end up living in a place like this,” she said, alluding to her own situation. So with that philosophy in mind, she’d advised Baek-ah to just live in the moment, and do whatever made him happy.
In the present, So gets after his little brother for listening to Su spout such nonsense, but Baek-ah firmly believes in what she espoused about status and rank. If it’s this bad for them as princes, how bad is it for ordinary citizens?
Baek-ah has no aspirations for the throne, he adds. “I only want to be free. That’s what you want too. And what about Hae Su?” So knows as well as he does that a girl without parents or siblings won’t survive in the palace, and that the king won’t pay any attention to her past the wedding night. She won’t survive living such a life, and they both know it.
Su looks like she’s had better days after her full body examination, and asks for some time alone—none of this has set in yet, since she didn’t even know what was going to happen when she woke up this morning.
The second Concubine Oh leaves, Su plans her escape, remembering the secret passageway from the bathhouse… but she’s foiled in that attempt by none other than Concubine Oh.
Now it’s So’s turn to confront Astronomer Choi over the marriage, likening him to a rabbit who always digs two holes to always guarantee at least one escape route. He knows Choi wouldn’t have just banked on one plan, and demands to know what the other part of his plan is.
King Taejo is notified that Su is waiting in the marriage chamber, which gives him momentary pause. It turns out that even he didn’t know he was marrying Su, only that he was marrying someone from the Hae household. Though he wishes it didn’t have to be Su, he’s pretty businesslike about it, and is ready to do what must be done.
Su waits in the wedding chamber dressed as a bride, but as King Taejo walks toward it, he’s stopped by the sight of his son, Prince Wook, kneeling in his path. Wook knows that what he’s doing is dangerous, but he asks the king why he’s bringing another household into the palace.
The king explains that he needs the help of the Hae Clan to settle border disputes with the Kitan (the people of Manchuria to the north), then asks Wook what stake he has in stopping the marriage. That’s when So steps in to provide another solution.
Their intervention doesn’t please the king in the least, but So goes on to say that he has a witness who saw one of Lady Hae’s uncles conspiring with the Kitan, adding that the Hae Clan should be punished, not brought in as in-laws. Their strength should be hindered in his view, and not helped.
But King Taejo says he will proceed with the marriage, since none of the options So presented are feasible. He has a responsibility to protect the border, and he sees no better way than to marry within the Hae Clan. Punishing them is not an option.
Su, having overheard the boys trying to stand up for her, runs out of the chamber. The king advances with the princes powerless to stop him, until he hears a crash and turns around. In her hand, Su holds a bloody vase fragment, which she’s used to cut her wrist.
In a shaking voice, Su tells the king that she cannot marry him with a scar on her body, which she’s now created. “Let me go now,” she pleads, and the king can’t help but admire her gumption. He orders Lady Hae’s uncle brought in, and Su proceeds to collapse.
Wook scoops her up in his arms and carries her outside where the other princes have been waiting. They all hurry around her, their faces painted with worry, as So watches on from the palace steps.
While unconscious, Su dreams of falling into the water, and of a death shroud covering King Taejo. She sees him drown, and also sees the fourth king of Goryeo, King Gwangjong, falling to the ground with a knife in his hand.
His face is obscured because she can’t remember which prince becomes King Gwangjong, but she does know that he kills his brothers in order to ascend the throne. “Which one of the princes is it?” she wonders.
She wakes with a start to see Concubine Oh at her bedside, who affirms that Su is alive and unmarried. She took over caring for her in lieu of a doctor, but Su is still being held in the palace. She also notifies Su of her impending punishment now that she’s conscious, but Su is ready to face it—she has no regrets.
Wook enters the room next, and Concubine Oh seems to understand why Su did what she did to escape the marriage. He comes to sit at Su’s bedside and takes her bandaged wrist in his hand as tears form in her eyes. “Everything will be all right now. It’s over,” he soothes her.
He informs her that the marriage has been cancelled because of her scar, and that the Hae Clan will stop pressuring her to marry. “Last night, I felt so pathetic,” he says in a low voice, almost in a whisper. He admits that he bent so low as to pray to his dead wife to return her to him, and that he would pay his wife back by showering Su with all the affection he could never give her.
“I asked her for her forgiveness, and for her to send you to me,” he confesses. “I begged her. If you had become the king’s woman, I would have never been able to forgive myself.” Crying, Su says that she was so afraid she’d never see him again, and couldn’t bear to part with him just like that.
Wook pulls her into his arms and tells her that she’s safe now—he lost her once, so he won’t let it happen again. She cries into his shoulder as he continues to soothe and comfort her.
When Astronomer Choi asks King Taejo what he plans to do with Su, the king nonchalantly says he’ll send her into slavery. Astronomer Choi is quick to do some damage control, claiming that Su could be of much more use as a court lady—Concubine Oh put in a request for her, since Su knows so much about herbs and cosmetics.
He frames it in such a way as to make Su seem pivotal to the success of the royal household, but Taejo knows his sons likely had something to do with it. He doesn’t know what her relationship to the princes is, but he seems game to go ahead with Astronomer Choi’s suggestion.
Wook and Su go for a walk in the garden, and share a silent moment as he looks down at her bandaged wrist, then pulls her sleeve down to cover it. In voiceover, we hear him say that he’s happy to take her to see his late wife, believing that she would’ve liked to see them together at her grave. Aw. So cute. So morbid.
Astronomer Choi meets them to deliver the news of Su’s new appointment as a court lady, and surprisingly, Su’s all for it. She knows court ladies get paid, and Choi’s more than happy to tell her about all the perks she’ll enjoy if she does her new job well.
Su is pretty positive about the job, and tells Wook not to worry about her. He gives a manly clearing of his throat before handing her a piece of paper, which she unfolds to reveal: \^ㅁ^/. (He uses the “ㅅ” and “ㅁ” Hanja characters to make up the face. It looks more like Hangul, but Hangul wasn’t invented yet.)
But the best part? Wook tries to imitate the symbol for her, and literally couldn’t be any more awkward about it. Love. At least he’s happy that he’ll be able to see her often in her new appointment.
All the princes (minus the crown prince and Yo) come running out to see Su, all hovering around her protectively as they each tell her how they worried about her and tried to save her. Su smiles up at all of them, until she remembers that one of them will go on to be King Gwangjong and kill all his brothers… and she wonders if it’s either Wook or So.
When it’s time for Su to go into the palace, fourteenth prince Jung gives her a little, “Fighting!” Wook tells her not to be afraid, and So just tells her nothing, even though he takes note of her bandaged wrist and small bundle of clothes.
Su walks alone into Damiwon Palace, and clutches her small bundle ever tighter when she sees the formidable Concubine Oh standing before her.
COMMENTS
This was a bit of a strange watch, and I wonder if that has something to do with the airing order having changed due to the first week’s triple header. I’m trying to figure out if this episode would’ve been better served had it come directly after Episode 5 as opposed to one week afterward, and while I think that might’ve mitigated some of the problem areas here, it wouldn’t necessarily have fixed them.
It’s hard to know whether there’s an issue in the editing, directing, or writing, but this episode more than ever had a sort of disjointedness about it, like we were seeing scenes chopped from other scenes that didn’t need to be in any specific order. A through-line emerged as the episode wore on that I was more than happy to cling to, but I felt more confused than Su ever was about what was happening to her and why. We slowly but surely came to understand the king’s reasoning even if he seemed to get short-sheeted in terms of information, but it all happened so fast that it was hard to actually get invested in Su’s struggle to not marry the king of Goryeo.
It was adorable that all the princes jumped to her defense though, even if Baek-ah’s storyline was resolved so quickly—and the presentation of it was a little lacking, what with them acting friendly directly after the funeral to us getting a flashback explaining their sudden friendship after the fact. I love Baek-ah being supportive and cute, but he lost a little bit of his personality in the process, since all the princes (minus Yo and the crown prince) all dote on Su now. Still, maybe complaining about having so many men at one’s disposal is neither here nor there, and we should just be happy that Su has such a ready and willing support system.
But since Baek-ah was on her side by whatever offscreen means necessary, it was great to have him be the one to convince So as to why he needed to intervene in the marriage. Even so, So’s reason for intervening was mostly left up to the imagination, and we got only snippets of moments from him this hour. I can’t help but want to see more So despite loving every moment with Wook and Su, primarily because I don’t want to be disappointed in the end by going down with the wrong ship. But man, this show really isn’t making it easy to not care about Wook and Su, who are just so sweet with each other—how are we honestly supposed to resist that?
It feels like we’re on the verge of a major shift in the story at least, with Su moving into the palace and out of Wook’s direct orbit. Maybe this means she’ll be in So’s orbit more, and we’ll get to know more about our most enigmatic of princes. But maybe, it just means we’ll get to know more about Su, who’s perhaps better off not knowing who becomes the future King Gwangjong. What you don’t know can’t hurt you, even if it kills everyone else.
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51 Lynn
September 12, 2016 at 8:34 PM
This episode feels like a badly done copy and paste...WTF. O.o
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52 Syuni
September 12, 2016 at 8:35 PM
This episode was very well done. The scenes, music, edits, etc. I also thought that IU's acting in this episode was very, very well executed, much better than the previous 5. I think she's finally emerged in her character now. Her crying scene after the wedding got cut off, I felt her emotions and saw it in her eyes.
4th prince, Lee Jun Ki, I want to see more of you...... I seriously cannot wait til tomorrow's episode.
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baek
September 23, 2016 at 12:56 AM
if i didnt watched both versions, maybe i wont find anything amiss..
u should watch both sbs and youku/df version and see if u still say the same..
its not that bad.. but it could be way better if the editing is a lot smoother and maybe due to timing issue where theres just how long a ep can go.. so they cant do much.. it would be so wonderful if they had include everything of the two versions (and not one more and one less of another)..
i know, not all scenes acted are being broadcast.. its kind of sad that due to such editing, some of their screen time got to cut to best fit in the mould..
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53 Andy Pandy
September 12, 2016 at 8:39 PM
If I were to send a response to the production team about episode 6, it would be this: ಠ╭╮ಠ
Too many things were rushed and messy in this episode - a sign of bad editing and the writer lacking skill in making good transitions (dear writer, considering what you pulled out of your bag in order for things to move on, I hope we're getting to the good part!!!).
Eps. 3-5 were so good, so I'm going to play the amnesia card and forget a lot of the bothersome things that happened in this episode.
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54 owl
September 12, 2016 at 8:42 PM
\^ㅁ^/
cutest thing a prince has ever done.
Hae Soo is adorable, strong and smart. I think IU can do no wrong, she is girl crush material. Being swept up and passed from prince to prince to escape the king and then do what none of them can do - stop the king. The fatal words spoken by every kdrama male, "I will protect you" always means he can't.
I am totally into the screen living Moon Lovers.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM
\^o^/
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 10:34 PM
\^o^/\^o^/\^o^/\^o^/
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 11:42 PM
\^o^/
At least we got a cute emoji out of the deal, I can't hate.
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55 Adal
September 12, 2016 at 8:45 PM
I'm just so pissed that the editor and director are ruining this gem of a drama with choppy editing and directing and a sh*tty plot. There are so many plot holes in this episode that if I were to list them, it would boggle the mind. And the actors worked so hard in their roles, it really is a shame.
I want to enjoy this episode, I really do, but with the distracting close ups shots of the actors faces, the illogical way the princes stood up to the king to prevent Hae soo from marrying him, when in typical Goryeo times it would have been considered an honor, or the norm, and not a horror; the grave scenes vs. the cremation scenes of Lady Hae, the so-called taboo of scarring; and two or more versions of the same show is really turning me off this drama.
I will continue because of my love for KHN, IU and LJK's performances, the extremely beautiful costumes and the divine landscapes, but l am finding it more and more difficult to believe that this drama was preproduced with its plethora of flaws, smh.
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voice
September 13, 2016 at 1:40 AM
im glad you noticed the annoying close ups, man there are too many
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TJ
September 13, 2016 at 4:54 AM
Don't even. That's what's missing about a lot of dramas. Close ups. I for one am just fine staring at their gorgeous faces for a few extra minutes.
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56 V
September 12, 2016 at 8:47 PM
I really liked this episode. I liked the song playing during the funeral ceremony. I feel like the story has finally found its rythym. I'm excited for the Wang So romance to intensify.
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57 kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 8:49 PM
Thank you for the recap! The editing was a little haphazard (but clearly I was just watching the pared down version), but wow I was really impressed by the way the conflict in this episode was resolved, and how it actually opened up the path for the actual main conflict to take place later on. Though that marriage to Taejo came out of nowhere. But it was nice seeing everyone trying to help Su out, aw.
What stood out to me the most was how Su managed to get herself out of the wedding to Taejo. We see all the princes racing to try and help her, and I expected Wook and So to be the ones to change Taejo's mind. But no, it was Su, all on her own. She was the one with the agency to wrest control of the situation into her own hands (quite literally too, with that broken vase), and she was the one to save herself. This really has elevated her from the girl who had to be rescued all the time in the first three episodes, because she's the one who's doing the saving herself now. It was gratifying to see Su be her own knight in shining armour, even if she had to hurt herself physically to accomplish it. We're moving into the second act of the story, and I can see the traits of Ruoxi that were so likeable in the original novel, in Su right now, which is honestly better character development. Su is capable of so much more. Also is she going to get visions of the future (past-future??) every time she has a near-death experience? Because at least she knows more about Gwangjong now, and we get to see that she will try to stop Gwangjong from ascending the throne (which... is probably not going to work out the way she wants it but still) and that's going to have an effect on her actions and decisions somewhat.
Now that Su is in the palace with the implicit indication that despite the called-off wedding she's still the emperor's woman, I can sort of see why Wook and So would be so invested in wanting the throne later on. She can't be with any of them legitimately until Taejo lets her go--or if one of them becomes emperor himself. It's an organic motivation especially for So, I feel, and from the preview even his ally General Park can see it for himself. And I can't wait until Su and So get even closer--they now share a similar scar, sweet in a morbid way--though the Su/Wook love line has to play out first.
How amazingly cute was Eun in this episode? I'm really glad Su has him for a friend, because he's so genuine in everything he does for her. He wants to make her happy for no other reason than he likes seeing her happy. Awww. It's a nice change from all the angst and gloom and doom ahead of her (and us!). Baekhyun's acting range isn't the broadest but he's doing a good job making Eun lovable. Special shout out to Baek Ah and So getting closer too, because their original counterparts were BFFs and it's nice seeing them identifying with each other.
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 8:49 PM
Wook, though. I think we can see the fundamental difference between him and So, in that he's always so passive in the way he handles situations. When the both of them were beseeching Taejo to call off the wedding, Wook worded his request in a question, whereas So actually had an actual alternative solution to the Hae clan problem (which btw is so interesting, because Lady Hae probably used her clan's influence at the border to bring Wook back to the palace, and now for Su he's willing to risk that). I think his previous experience with being removed from Songak has played a part in shaping him as such, but it will also be interesting to see how this passiveness will play out in his attempt to claim the throne. Also I had no idea whether to feel sad for him or Lady Hae when he told Su that he actually prayed to Lady Hae just so Su could come back to him, and that he would devote his love that he couldn't give Lady Hae to Su. Can you just divert your love to someone else like that? I don't know, I believe that his feelings towards Su are genuine but I definitely also think that he doesn't know himself very well either. But aw, how cute was his \^o^/ reply to Su???? Ahhhh Wook, you confuse me so.
That last scene with Su facing Concubine Oh--now she's in circumstances where she can't be the old Su who was so sheltered by her cousin anymore, and the stakes are finally stacked higher. Can't wait to see how this goes.
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Link
September 12, 2016 at 9:16 PM
YES. This was honestly one of my favorite things about the episode. In 90% of dramas, the princes would have been the ones to save Su's life—because that's just what K-drama love interests do.
In this case, it felt so much more real to have the princes try to save her, but ultimately just step aside for the king. Flawed as this drama is sometimes, I love that it allows its leads to be messy and complicated as a reflection of the world in which they live. I also love that it made Su the heroine of her own story instead of just a damsel in distress.
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 9:38 PM
I know right?? I really expected Taejo to consider So's solution, but instead he brushed it off completely (Lee Junki's face when that happened was an amazing display of acting imo). I appreciate the fact that she was able to use that Hae clan name to her advantage, in a reversal of the elders' influence that sent her into the palace. So despite the general messiness of the episode in terms of editing, Su's agency in saving herself was the stand out moment.
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chocopieb
September 12, 2016 at 10:46 PM
when the king said she was more courageous than any of the princes, i was like, yass you go girl!
the other princes, while looking at the political ways to solve the problem, were clearly still very much inexperienced in politics to do so. since, just like the king said, following so's solution would have created even bigger problems.
but haesoo managed to find an answer which, would not only gain her freedom, but also allowed the king to punish the clan. she's clearly smart, i just hoped the show could bring up her smartness more prominently..
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sancheezy
September 12, 2016 at 9:31 PM
Idk if this goes to her credit cause you know, the king can just killer her for humiliating him in a sense
it feels like an easy way out by the writer cause the king can't kill a heroine and be unlikeable and I find it thoughtless since she has to be saved again in the healing process,
from a person who just want to live to a person who will kill herself than an arranged married, I feel like it doesn't need to be in a stake of life to get the answer,
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 9:46 PM
The thing is, I don't think Taejo would have been able to kill her without offending the Hae clan in any way. The main reason he wanted to marry someone from the Hae clan (he didn't even know or care about who the girl was going to be, which says a lot) was just to placate them so they wouldn't ally their powerful troops alongside the Khitans, and Su's scarring of herself basically just gave him a legitimate excuse to give them fertile land under the guise of a reward, while stopping them from furthering their influence in court with another advantageous marriage. Which, if you think about it, was the plan that So suggested, so to me it seems that Su's defiance not only saved herself from a marriage she never wanted (and could have died from a few months in), it also provided an opportunity for So's suggestion to actually work out.
I also don't feel like Su was deliberately trying to kill herself, more like severely scar herself so that she could never be presented to the emperor again. And that's why I found the writer's choice of giving her that agency wonderful, because to me it falls in line with her wanting to live--living in the palace was never one of her choices to begin with, so why wouldn't she fight against such a predetermined life for her?
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sancheezy
September 12, 2016 at 10:19 PM
I find this issue can be solved without having the scar debate,
she can talks to the king by the power of his clan,
but maybe she is not that eloquent,
or get married to the crown prince, said you are in mourning phase and go to the mountain, isolate yourself,
said person to person to the people that want to marry her off, the character seems pretty close,
my view is actually
like it is a choice to be a damsel in distress and she chooses to be one,
maybe I am a super downer but hurting yourself to get out of trouble is like playing a victim card,
you need to save me because I injured myself and no one deserves to not get saved kind of thing,
I think marry with the king also not a bad idea than physically harming herself, or just get sick, drown in another lake and come back wth high fever, using life as stake is too far for me
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 10:33 PM
The Hae clan is powerful because of its army at the borders, but I think we all have to understand that Su is just one of the many members of the Hae family, and what's worst for her is that she has no nuclear family members to step up to the plate for her. Her parents are dead, as is her closest cousin Lady Hae, and she has no possible way of wielding any negotiation power because she literally doesn't have anything (or anyone) that gives her the upper hand. So to me, the only way she could ensure her own safety was to scar herself, with her body being the only thing that she has sole agency over.
No matter how much freedom women had in Goryeo (in comparison to Joseon), their marriages were still decided by their families (i.e. Lady Hae wanted to marry Wook, but her clan had to approve before she could actually do it), so I don't think Su could have married anyone else if she was already promised to Taejo.
chocopieb
September 12, 2016 at 11:00 PM
her hurting herself, is the solution. bcs by hurting herself, she can no longer get married to the king.
she can't talk to the king, bcs its HER clan that wants the marriage.
and drowning.. well, she was already in the king's chamber, how do you expect her to find a lake nearby? besides isnt drowning more life staking than cutting wrist..?
the marriage with the king is also not the answer. one, her clan is planning to use the marriage to increase their power (which they're doing by cooperating with the enemy, khitans). two, she doesnt want to get married. i know in haesoo's mind, reason two plays a bigger role. but for us viewers, reason one is very important as to why we can't favor the wedding.. and haesoo also listened to so and king's conversation regarding to her clan being greedy and evil~~
chocopieb
September 12, 2016 at 10:54 PM
the king couldn't kill her without reason. haesoo is from a powerful clan. the king knows that her clan is greedy for more power, he has his suspicions that the clan is probably either making up khitan's threat or cooperating with khitan (as per so's suggestion).
but as he said, if the marriage didnt happen right that day (without plausible reason), the border area would be in trouble.
so's suggestion to just punish the clan, pretty much without evidence, is very flawed because other clans would take it as the king not trusting them, therefore other clans would attack the king back.. because in the end of the day, each clan wants to be the ruler~
now, haesoo's solution to make herself inappropriate for marriage is so far the easiest and less risky solution. they have to cancel the marriage, because it IS the law that bride-to-be can't have scars. and also allows time for king to investigate the clan.
when haesoo woke up, wook told her that the clan had been punished and therefore they lost their status and that was why haesoo is punishable by the king, and is now a slave.. or maid. im not sure there.
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 11:39 PM
Oh no, I don't think the Hae clan was punished. Instead they were given fertile land as a sort of apology gift for Su being not suitable as a bride. Taejo still can't afford to offend the Hae clan, but as you've mentioned this buys them time to figure out a solution as how to cut off the Haes' influence and dealings at the border.
Even though Su is off the hook now, she still can't be let out of the palace because technically she's still considered one of Taejo's women (in fact, every woman in the palace had the potential to become one of his concubines, if he, y'know, wanted let them be), so that's why she is a palace maid now. Sort of a lesser punishment?
chocopieb
September 13, 2016 at 12:39 AM
Wait the hae clan wasnt punished? Im sorry ;___; should go watch that scene again >_<
pogo
September 12, 2016 at 9:52 PM
yeah, I loved that Su was the one to engineer her way out of the wedding, even if she did it by way of physically harming herself. I also did enjoy all the princes coming to her rescue, even if they'd be forced by the customs of the time to see it as an honour that she should of course accept (the issue seems to have been not just the lack of choice for Su in the marriage but also the lack of propriety, expressed by the queens - Taejo could marry Su if he wanted, but I got the sense that the queens (especially So's Mommy Dearest) didn't approve of the rushed nature of the wedding/wedding night, even if they personally didn't care about So.
Eun is intended to be cute but I could do with less of him. A lot less of him.
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 10:02 PM
You're totally right on the lack of propriety part--didn't Taejo himself say that it would be difficult to find another lady like Su, who didn't need a ceremony or any of the usual fanfare to marry? In the past only the lowest of concubines didn't have the right to a wedding and were basically smuggled into their new husband's house through the back door, so in a sense the Hae clan wasn't even marrying Su off in an official match to widen their influence in court, they were selling her off as a disposable concubine of sorts. At least the queens were decently disgusted enough by that.
Aw but I really liked him being so genuine to Su though. But if his screentime is cut in favour of So then that's another matter altogether haha.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 10:16 PM
Ah, I didn't know that the lack of a proper wedding ceremony meant Su was effectively a concubine being sold off - it makes more sense that she'd be able to effectively manouevre her way around Taejo if he wasn't 100 percent above board/in the right either (even though he technically was).
I get that Eun is trying to be nice to Su, but Baekhyun's acting is painful and a full scene of it is a scene too many - even Ji-soo on his own with LJK is better.
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 10:25 PM
Yeah, a woman's wedding ceremony was basically the most important thing in her life back then. It signified the degree of importance her husband's family viewed her with, and in the palace it was even more important because it also determined the odds of survival for the lady who was to be married. So technically the Hae clan either wasn't 100% throwing their support behind Su, or they were just in a rush to get her married off straight away (and from the looks of it, with the backing of Princess Yeonhwa too). Either way Su was screwed if she really married Taejo--she wouldn't survive without the influence of her clan, and even if she did, she would never be able to give birth to a prince and raise her status (and therefore still die). If she died, the Hae clan could also use this as an excuse to extort more favours from the court, or even rise up in rebellion at the supposed slight. I suppose Taejo knew this better than any of us, and Su's defiance gave him a handy way out of this.
I hate to compare, but when I think about it, the visuals of the Korean princes are very good, the acting of the Chinese princes were way above what we're seeing now. Can't we have the best of both worlds??
pogo
September 12, 2016 at 10:46 PM
@kumoiwa - thanks, that is a really cool bit of historical insight, and it makes sense that the Hae clan would seek to tie up the 'loose end' of Su by disposing of her this way - she's just enough a part of them (by birth) to be of use as part of an alliance, but not enough a part of the family (since, as you mentioned, her parents and guardian are dead) for anyone to intercede on her behalf or consider her interests. And while Yeonhwa clearly wanted Su gone and was all for the marriage at first, I noticed she did an about-face the minute she found out just who Su was marrying, since the Hae uncles hid that detail from her at first - probably because she doesn't want to take any chances on Su having royal influence.
I feel like Lee Jun-ki and Kang Ha-neul could easily carry this drama on their own if the story would just let them, but the younger princes are pretty superfluous and I wish the drama wouldn't devote so much screen time to them bumbling around like the Three Stooges.
kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 10:56 PM
@pogo: That's so true, that they would view Su as a loose end that needed to be snipped. The drama (with Su as its mouthpiece) has been emphasising this for a while now, but nobody in Goryeo gets anywhere without noble birth or legitimate power. So for Su to experience this firsthand in such a brutal, scary way, is such an effective method to show us how she might make her future choices based on her own experiences now, and how she might be swayed to So's aspiration to change the system eventually.
As for Yeonhwa, you're right, she totally did a 180 when she heard that the marriage was to Taejo. I don't really know what Yeonhwa's motivations are, but as long as Su might have a chance to rise above her, she won't seem to allow it. She really needs to be developed more though, right now all Yeonhwa is is just a petty, jealous princess.
Oh yeah Lee Junki and Kang Haneul are totally hard-carrying this show. Idk if it's the directing or the writing, but the younger princes could be more than what they are now. Well, at least if they stick to the novel they all are cogs in the wheels that turn, not just random side characters, so I know they can be more than this!! But do they have time to turn 9/10/13/14 around now? I'm especially interested in how they'll treat 9, because he played a pivotal role in the novel and Won is just not doing anything atm.
chocopieb
September 12, 2016 at 11:02 PM
@kumoiwa: yeonhwa is also thirsty of power.. even when lady hae was sick and suggested divorce, she was so very enthusiastic in agreeing bcs she wants wook to marry somebody who can give an heir, therefore increasing their chance of getting the throne.
kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 11:07 PM
@chocopie: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeonhwa seems very eager to climb to the top, given that they were cast out back then, but she also doesn't seem to be the most politically savvy. Potential spoiler, but in the preview doesn't she flirt with the idea of possibly marrying Yo?
Bauble
September 13, 2016 at 3:17 AM
@Kumoiwa - with regard to Yeonhwa - I am not sure but I think the reason she wouldn't want Su to marry Taejo isn't just about being jealous about Su going up in station. I remember that creepy conversation in the forest between Su's evil uncles and Wook - If there is a baby in the future (yes I am going ewww in my head) or if Su gets the king's favour, it could possibly upset whatever balance is already there in the royal family and that could potentially affect not just yeonhwa but also her brother, her mother and anyone else Yeonhwa cares about.
I know Yeonhwa doesn't like Su, but most of her character motivation seems to come from wanting power.
kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 3:45 AM
@Bauble: So true--Yeonhwa does seem to want power, seeing how she seethes at the more powerful Queen Sinmyeongsunseong at every chance she gets. You're right about the possible baby (uuuuuuuuuuuuugh and Su is only 16 !!) upsetting the delicate power balance they have now, and I think that apart from Yeonhwa not wanting another competitor this late into the game, she also dislikes Su super intently and just doesn't want her to be above her in station as well? I really don't know about Yeonhwa's political savviness though--if she really wants to wield real power, shouldn't she be trying to marry Yo instead? I mean, he's obviously the best candidate after the Crown Prince, and So (with whom she is so besotted with) is the total underdog. But ahhhh we'll see as the story goes on!
Bauble
September 13, 2016 at 3:56 AM
yeah, no arguments, she does hate Su. I actually find her attraction towards So intriguing. Because as you said, at this point, it wouldn't make sense for her politically. Is it that she sees his potential (and wants to twist him into her version of a human being) or does she genuinely like him on some level? It will be interesting to see as the story progresses!
kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 4:01 AM
@Bauble: I wish they would give us a bit of an idea as to why Yeonhwa is as obsessed with So as it is. Is it, as you've mentioned, a wish to mould him from a "wolf-dog" into some sort of perfect human being? Or does she want to, for the lack of better phrasing, just want to tame the beast? It's so weird because all I can see is her wanting to dominate and assert her power. Which is in line with her personality as we've discussed so far, so at least that's consistent. But this is probably why she will never get So's heart--he just wants to be treated as a normal person, to be loved, but she's the exact opposite of that.
Puni
September 13, 2016 at 9:28 AM
Less Baekhyun and more Nam Joo Hyuk was needed in this episode. it would have mad more sense and flowed better.
kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 9:49 AM
@Puni: I wouldn't have necessarily agreed with you this morning, but now that I've watched episode 7 you have all my yeses and +100000000000000000000000000s.
pogo
September 13, 2016 at 12:46 PM
@kumoiwa @Puni - this was my internal commentary during the puppet scene Extended Edition we were subjected to in the subbed non-SBS version.
me: huh? Puppets?
*two minutes later*
me: ok I'm not done cringing but you and your puppets can gtfo, you took up TWO WHOLE MINUTES OF SCREEN TIME and then some, and why the eff are you getting screen time with Su when there is about as much point to you as buying an oven to store ice cubes, bye! Also, where is Wang So?!
JuicyFeet
September 12, 2016 at 10:25 PM
I literally cheered out loud for Hae Soo when she cut herself like a fucking boss! I never thought that I would cheer for self-mutilation, but I did. I was so proud of her resolve and strength to do that to save herself. So badass.
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 10:35 PM
I actually squicked at the cut, because it looked so deep and man that was a lot of blood, but yeah! Go Su, saving yourself when no one else can! Definitely badass, and a super step up from when she needed to be saved by Wook/So/WookSo combi a few episodes ago.
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 1:36 AM
Hear hear to everyone in thread 57. Absolutely great moment for me when Hae Soo solved her own problem.
Something I think we forget was that Hae Soo, when she was Ha Jin, jumped into the water to save the boy, thinking "Why me? Why am I always the one?" I got the impression from that that this is just her personality. She's a fighter, she's always the one that steps up to bullies, she's always going to save that person that needs saving, she's fast on her feet and quick with her wit, and when she says she's smart (at least twice now) we should probably start believing her.
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 1:38 AM
As an aside, did anyone else notice her clan is called the "Ha Jin Hae" clan? Nice combination of old and new name? I wonder if it will have any significance when/if she returns to the future?
kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 1:53 AM
Yeah! I mean we did get to see sparks of her old feistiness, like when she beat up Eun and ripped Yeonhwa a new one, but most of the time she was more passive than I would have liked to see. You're so right about her being the fighter and being smart--she's already proven it this time, and we can probably see more of it in the future as well.
Oh I didn't pick up on the "Ha Jin Hae" clan name! The "Ha Jin" is probably their geographical title though, but it's interesting to think about whether she could have very well been her own ancestor? But wasn't Ha-jin's last name Go? Maybe she was her own maternal ancestor?? So many possibilities.
58 pineapplegongzhu
September 12, 2016 at 8:53 PM
Thanks so much for the quick recap!
[1] I would be totally okay riding a horse with Lee Joon Gi holding on tight from behind..RAWR
[2] I really like the series playing up the Wook/Su romance. Although I’m #TeamWangSo, I enjoy the misdirection and frankly the mystery (HOW will Wang So win Su’s affections?!).
[3] HAHAHA…Wook’s attempt at Su’s emoji is hilarious
[4] I like (after being persuaded by @Zoe) that Wang So’s actions are still enigmatic. He claims his actions are platonic concern, and there is certainly evidence that he’s not overly attached to her, yet the gradual warmth of friendly affection seems to move towards attachment. But, I also love how this episode showcased how all the other different princes felt about Su (i.e. affectionate and protective)...it's also interesting how they view their own father.
[5] I like how Wook and So each have a different love theme for their relationship with Su. I just wish the OST for So’s love song would be released! I also love the fact that So/Su’s love song only plays when So is at his most vulnerable.
[6] I love that Lee Joon Gi has more screen time. His personality is the "still waters run deep” type. He always seems to be hanging back, observing from afar, while all the other princes are up in arms about Su’s impending marriage, but behind his eyes you can tell his deep concern for her. And, of course, when they make a run for it, it’s Wang So who takes Su into the woods.
[7] I think I know what the critics were talking about: the editing makes the show seems to have an uneven pace…at times it’s really slow and understated, and then at times the plot rushes forward with little cohesion with what preceded it.
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59 Jamie
September 12, 2016 at 8:54 PM
This ep clearly shows similarities between Hae Soo and So. They were meant to be together.So was scarred by his mom when she tried to prevent the king to get married.Hae soo slit her wrist so that the king would not marry her.Match made in heaven
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waitwhat
September 12, 2016 at 8:57 PM
+1!!!!
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wackycashew
September 12, 2016 at 9:50 PM
I wholeheartedly agree! And maybe that's why her choice to slit her wrist seemed to really get a reaction out of him. That's in addition to the fact that she even agreed to put herself in this situation in the first place, knowing that disobeying the royal command would mean death for herself and those who help her. That means she just signed a death wish in order to protect the princes.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 9:53 PM
Hear, hear!
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60 mutantreptile
September 12, 2016 at 8:59 PM
I keep expecting a PPL of Kang Ha Neul putting on hairspray.
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61 Lea
September 12, 2016 at 9:05 PM
Narrative was weirdly non-linear. I wasn't a fan of almost suicide, it was a weird watch. Not much of Joon Gi. I think I was fine with it in C version because Rouxi was different there and so were the various political powers at play. Thanks for the super fast recaps. This is it for me. I'll be back when focus is on Joon Gi. I don't know which of the seven Gods I need to pray to to get that.
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62 Puni
September 12, 2016 at 9:08 PM
Thanks Heads No2!! I watched the Dramafever version and didn't know scenes had been cut out. I did wonder where was the scene of both Su and Baek-ah shown in previews. Glad your recap covered those moments missed. This wasn't a favorite episode. It had more shaky camera, weird editing and less So moments than I would have preferred.
Kang Haneul was amazing again!! Just outstanding. His an IU'S chemistry is out of control. I love them as a couple, but hesitate to fully invest in it because I want So to have that kind of love too. Only So and Su are just friends, no where near the Wook and Su love line. I hope development comes sooner rather than later. I did like the way So protected Su before the transition to the royal gaurds. More pls.. more!!!
It was still a good episode overall.. saw insight into how both Wook and So approach problems and how the King does as well. Proud of UI and her acting. She was perfect for this role. She can invoke so many emotions and has the ability to endear herself so easily. Glad she has the opportunity to showcase her talent.
One editing note though... the runaway scenes could have been better. The music was off...the pace was off...Maybe whoever did the editing of the actual trailer should have been more involved in the shooting/editing of the episode. Cause the mood in the preview trailer was so much more intense.
Still loving this drama!! Fighting Moon Lovers!!!
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 1:42 AM
On the runaway scene: did anyone get the sense the king and Ji Mong had been tipped off? I mean, how did they know (unless Ji Mong "read" it in the stars, and I don't think he's that specific in his readings) So was running off with her.
I suspect a tip-off. Won, probably.
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Puni
September 13, 2016 at 9:26 AM
Agree a tip off or confession in helping Su escape.
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63 Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 9:09 PM
When 4th asked 13th if he has feelings for Hae Soo, and 13th replied "I'm not the one who has feelings for her" and looked at 4th in a strange way. Does anybody think 13th was referring to the 4th or somebody else (8th)??
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 9:13 PM
I think it is 8th, he already aware of that even before lady Hae died
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 10:36 PM
No no, it's 8th prince Wook. Not So.
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Hanna Banana
September 13, 2016 at 4:00 AM
I actually quite liked that little snipe. It was both defensive and a bit salty. Salty as in reference to the whole Wook-Hae Su-Lady Hae scenario, and defensive cause clearly 8/10/14 are already head over heels for her and he's kinda just like please I have standards.
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64 Chocobeans
September 12, 2016 at 9:10 PM
I know it's a little unfair to compare this adaptation with the Chinese adaptation, given the historical differences and episode lengths. However, I can't help but note that the Chinese version did a great job explaining/showing the female lead's connection to all the princes. The affection the princes had for her was different for each of them, and as a viewer, I could appreciate the nuances and buy into the loyalty and support they gave her.
I wish they did a better job showing that in this version - maybe picking and choosing which relationship they want to emphasize (i.e., 13/14 over 10) since there's limited screen time. I'm also finding it hard to really like any of the characters except LJK's 4th prince, but maybe that's my bias talking...
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wackycashew
September 12, 2016 at 9:44 PM
A lot of things are definitely underdeveloped with much less screen time in this version. 20 ep's vs. 35 DVD version ep's is quite a difference. I'd bet they had to sacrifice a lot of parts as a result. But that doesn't mean the writing needs to be poor. Certain characters and their relationships with each other still need to be flushed out. I agree they should choose which relationships to focus more on. I could also go along with focus on one relationship at a time to give each prince some attention. But right not, the imbalance is glaring and it's as if you have the suspend belief and connect the dots yourself as to why some characters became so close.
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Nayour
September 13, 2016 at 4:06 AM
Yeah I agree. Too little screen time, too much to cover. If they're following the original plot, 13th and 14th princes are the ones you need, like really NEED to develop since they play such a big part later on. 10th prince is basically disposable after his marriage, which the Korean version seemed to be drawing out.
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65 SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 9:12 PM
Anyone else who felt uncomfortable about HS premonition? I mean, Great King Taejo dies, Prince Wang My looks like he was poisoned and then there was that blurred figured surrounded by scarlet color, and you think about WW. Is the battle really going to be that bloody? My ♥ already uneasy
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66 Indiannomad
September 12, 2016 at 9:13 PM
Oh! Kang Haneul made me cry when he cried, this non-crier. Thank you for the recaps, Heads :). I come here when things dont make sense in the episode. I had similar questions - when did ALL the brothers begin to adore Hae soo? did I miss an episode- when and why the marriage to the king? What is the general protocol for the relative of the dead princess that a relative can claim no relation with Wook, just because she died? I thought that was so superficial of them.
A general theme of protectiveness is so adorable....
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 9:17 PM
She touched their lives briefly but had an impact.
10th Prince Eun: his possible 1st love.
14th Prince Jung: She saved him despite being outnumbered. She risked her life for his life.
13th Prince Baek-Ah:They found comfort in each other and strength during Lady Hae's passing. They even share similar ? ideologies.
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Indiannomad
September 12, 2016 at 9:27 PM
Thank you ShrFighting :).
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 9:33 PM
You're welcome ? ?
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winry
September 12, 2016 at 10:14 PM
You forgot there was another prince who followed them right Prince Won ? I think that guy just want to see commotion all the prince is making
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 10:37 PM
That's 9th prince right? Yeah he doesn't do anything much. ..
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 1:45 AM
But, as I said above, maybe he's the one who tipped of the astronomer and the guards? Somebody must have. The decoy worked, there was plenty of time for So and Soo to get away if Ji Mong hadn't suddenly sprung up with the guards.
Janicee
September 13, 2016 at 4:12 AM
I think he's just there because he wants to be a part of it. To be included somewhat? He does show that he actually doesnt really care that much but still want some on be in on the whole Hae Su protection squad thing. The princes seem awfully clingy to each other, in a cute way.
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panshel
September 12, 2016 at 10:50 PM
Talk about keeping it in the family. As if it's not enough for FIVE brothers to be in love with her, now their father wants to marry her, too?
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67 candiceraine
September 12, 2016 at 9:24 PM
Wow, a LOT of different opinions and impressions on this drama that I feel like reading through the comments is some sort of a "drama" too. Hahaha
I still like this show, though I agree that some of the scenes does feel random. I guess because I started to watch this show with a different mindset. I'm not from Korea so I don't know their history. I don't have any expectations whatsoever on how the people should behave or what they social culture was. So I absorb everything that is given to me without comparison. I'm not watching a documentary. It is a story they wanted to tell.
Yes, the drama is based on the Goryeo period using historical characters and settings, however the drama is also - well - a drama. The moment Ha Jin fell into the water and woke up as Hae Soo, I knew that "history" is inevitably altered. History will now be changed because of that one major variable - Hae Soo. She's changing the course of the story just by existing in that timeline.
Some characters are weak, but they don't really bother me because I think the main leads are doing a stellar job in showing me how one's motivation can be the triumph or downfall of everything they hold dear.
I can see a lot of people getting confused with how the story is progressing because that's not how it was supposed to be.
Exactly.
Right now, we are seeing history being rewritten. And to me that's exciting. Now, nothing's "written on stone" anymore.
It's like a chance to reset everything for our main characters to have a shot in finding their own happiness. By giving them a chance to have their story rewritten.
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sancheezy
September 12, 2016 at 9:38 PM
I think people doesn't get mad/complaint because they knew the history,
people complaint because the story development doesn't make sense,
it's one thing about altering history or anything but an understandable storyline is a basic thing in a drama and I can't lie they make it hard to connect to the character unless the 4th because he already fleshed out,
It wasn't about people getting confused with how the story is progressing because that’s not how it was supposed to be (as if people have their own plot) but it because the story doesn't tell much to get people understand the story perspective,
I've been lenient enough towards this drama but I probably drop this drama when I know nothing about this,
probably just watch for the scenery or good shot,
this drama can be enjoyable and still enjoyable for me but that's when I stop asking why they did it
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68 JoyBells
September 12, 2016 at 9:27 PM
Even with all its choppy editings,i'm really enjoying this drama. The plot seems to have shifted and i'm guessing now things are going to take a more intresting turn with fight for the throne and multiple players.
I came to this drama solely for my love for Lee Jun ki and to root for his epic romance but after every episode i'm falling for Haneul. Even though on fundamental basis i dont like their romance with him being a former married man and yada,his scenes with IU are heartbreaking. He looks like a gentle soul but there is something steely about his nature and his helplessness in not being about not being able to help IU,to whom im sure he feels more responsility now with the death of his wife,and this very desire to protect her might spur him to fight for the throne. Which might be ironic because these very actions might push her away.
I'm a little sad about the lack of LJK scenes but i do understand why as the drama is from the perspective of the female lead and as of now her attention has been wholly focused on Haneul. I really hope later they show the transition of her feeling from the 8th to 4th prince properly though.
Lastly,I'm so envious of IU healthy gorgeous hair. Whats the secret to Goryeo's hair care regime. :D
And her attires and hairpins are so beautiful. Especially that pale yellow one she was wearing in the garden scene. Even the innerwear white one is so pretty. Now we will be probably be seeing her in those black-yellow polka dotted hangboks. Polka dots on clothes 1000 years ago,which for some reason has bothered me since the first episode.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 9:37 PM
We're falling inlove with him but we will probably fall out of ? once the real love ? begins. And the switch in personalities start to kick in.
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JoyBells
September 13, 2016 at 1:56 AM
Yes,i'm really excited to see his change. I have seen Haneul in so many drama's as minor/side characters now (To the beautiful you, Misaeng etc) but in this drama his acting skills are particularly shining.I think he is doing a really awesome job.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 10:04 PM
@JoyBells - my heart will always belong to Lee Jun-ki but damn if Kang Ha-neul and IU don't make me feel for Wook and Su's impossible love, even when we know it can't be. That scene of him breaking down in her arms was perfect.
Also this:
Lastly,I’m so envious of IU healthy gorgeous hair. Whats the secret to Goryeo’s hair care regime.
It's probably extensions, lol. I think IU does have naturally long hair, but I wouldn't be surprised if they added a bit here and there for tv - especially since this is a sageuk.
PS: About the polka dots, resist-dyeing techniques to produce that effect have been around since several thousand years BC, and from what I know they certainly existed in Tang dynasty-era China (around the same time as Goryeo, or maybe just a little before). It's not entirely impossible for that to have made its way to Goryeo, perhaps?
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JoyBells
September 13, 2016 at 2:05 AM
@pogo
Yes,that scene was so heartbreaking,him realizing he did love his wife in a way. Haneul is doing such an awesome job with this role.
Extensions!! Yes that's probably it because it looks so thick,I don't know why that thought didn't cross my mind. Haha.
I have little to no idea about the cloths of the past and you are probably right. They looked quite modern to me in a historical drama but i think if that's the case then its fine.
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pogo
September 12, 2016 at 10:07 PM
@JoyBells - my heart will always belong to Lee Jun-ki but damn if Kang Ha-neul and IU don't make me feel for Wook and Su's impossible love, even when we know it can't be. That scene of him breaking down in her arms was perfect.
Also this:
Lastly,I’m so envious of IU healthy gorgeous hair. Whats the secret to Goryeo’s hair care regime.
It's probably extensions, lol. I think IU does have naturally long hair, but I wouldn't be surprised if they added a bit here and there for tv - especially since this is a sageuk.
PS: About the polka dots, resist-dyeing techniques to produce that effect have been around since several thousand years BC, and from what I know they certainly existed in Tang dynasty-era China (around the same time as Goryeo, or maybe just a little before). It's not entirely impossible for that to have made its way to Goryeo, even if I have no idea how likely they were to be on palace maid uniforms.
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 11:25 PM
The colour combinations of Su's hanboks are so beautiful, I can't even choose which is my favourite! I do hope we get to see her in those again though, it'd be such a pity if we don't.
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JoyBells
September 13, 2016 at 2:11 AM
One of the reason i enjoy watching historical dramas are for the costumes and hairstyles . Ladies with gorgeous hanboks and Gisaengs with their over-dramatic hairstyles. I love all of it. :D
Even though there have been complaints about costumes look cheap (probably for the male leads), IU's costumes and hairpins look beautiful to my eyes.
Yes,its going to be such a pity if we don't. :(
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kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 2:27 AM
They're super, super pretty. I think why I like the Goryeo hanboks so much is that the upper jacket hasn't been shortened to its Joseon length yet, and Chinese influences are still very obvious, though they still do have a distinctive Goryeo look to them.
Her hair is so so so so GORGEOUS I love everything about her hair too!! The hairpins are so pretty, and I love the simplicity of the braids in her hair and everything. The costume team did such a great job with IU, though the male leads need better colour combinations hahaha.
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chocopieb
September 13, 2016 at 5:52 AM
They could turn this into an exhibition post drama >_<
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69 winry
September 12, 2016 at 9:34 PM
Does this drama going to end like the original everyone is dying ? I read the summary of the original ,that after the female lead find out who going to be the next king , she tell 8th prince to be careful that person and everything went down hills from there where everyone technically killing each other for the throne. Man I really don't want that to happen at all , I like everyone in this drama.
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 9:41 PM
She have no exact knowledge of history unlike RouXi. She know that after Great ? Taejo there will be a vicious and popular ruler. I guess who who's remember 2 Kings who ruled less than 4 years when Gwangjeong ruled more than 2decades and was known for his contribution to Gorgeous Kingdom
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SHRFIGHTING
September 12, 2016 at 9:42 PM
Goryeo kingdom** hate auto correct.
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winry
September 12, 2016 at 9:54 PM
The only reason she was transported back in time was maybe was to change the fate of the all the prince . History said the future king will kill his all his brothers but her been there interrupt that circle and it may even save them in the future . Let praise my theory was correct , i'm so sick and tired of SE
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 10:38 PM
Gorgeous Kingdom. ... I suppose your autocorrect has seen the princes ?
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70 wackycashew
September 12, 2016 at 9:35 PM
Thanks for the recap, Heads!
Decided to watch SBS raw version since it's supposed to be longer and will expire first. I'll watch Youku version later, but the recap already helped my understanding since I watched with no subs.
Man, as much as I like the cast and look forward to the show every week (first thing I watch after coming home from work late at night), I'm just so disappointed. I had high expectations and thought even if this can't match the original in terms of quality, there should be enough talent to do a decent job at least. But I'm finding this ep. to be the worst to date in terms of directing, editing, and writing. It's like I'm being jerked around from scene to scene, and I'm just dizzy and confused.
As many of you have pointed out, the plot makes no sense and viewers don't understand how relationships developed so quickly. As much as I don't wanna compare this to the original, I can't help but think how come they are doing so many things wrong when they had the time to pre-produce this? Did they not think it out??? BA and Su's friendship materialized overnight!! Just from drinking and reminiscing Lady Hae? And in a flashback?! C'mon! The original series was completely clear how 13th Prince and Ruoxi became BFFs who'd be willing to put their lives on the line for each other. This ep. didn't have enough build-up for BA and Su, which just made people wonder why BA is so invested in getting her out of this marriage and even seeking So's help. It's not like BA had a bad relationship with So, but then it's not like they were close brothers either. So always keeps to himself and is close to no one. Just cuz he stood up for BA to Yo, and suddenly, they are close? And he's the first one BA would turn to for help? Seriously confuzzled.
Eun and Jung, on the other hand, I can understand since the former has a crush on Su and the latter already vowed to guard her with his life. I really don't know what the director and writer were thinking with the addition of a bunch of miscellaneous scenes. The puppet idea was cute, but it was given too much attention. I also want to see more So, but I'm withholding my complaints since I know the focus of the story is on 8th Prince to start before shifting to 4th. I shall patiently await LJG's scenes in upcoming ep's.
The king marrying Su creeps me out. So glad she figured out a way to get out of it. I guess they had to stick the forced marriage part of the story from the original in this series somehow, and they decided to use the king instead of a prince. The only thing I'd commend for that scene was Su cutting her wrist to get out of marriage, and both So and Wook pleading with the king.
For the acting, again, I don't know if it's the director. I'm finding it hard to watch anyone besides LJG. KHN is really good, IU is not bad, but I often cringe at the others cuz it seems so exaggerated.
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LYF
September 12, 2016 at 9:38 PM
Yessss I was so mad they turned the drinking scene between 13th and Soo into a flashback!!! I have no idea what they were thinking.
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wackycashew
September 12, 2016 at 9:55 PM
Exactly! The original was so well done and many minutes were devoted to the drinking scene. Also, the "OK"! BA just went along without questioning its meaning and the hand sign?! Even Jung asked about "Hwaiting" and Eun inquired about "jjang." XD
Hope next ep. will be better, but my expectations are way low now... I need some comfort so I can get some sleep...
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Love awkward Wook! LOL
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winry
September 12, 2016 at 10:00 PM
Cheer up my friend next episode will have more of LJK scene since now IU was in the palace
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wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:37 AM
Thanks, chingu! I sure hope so cuz I'm really drawn to Wang So's character and LJG is doing an amazing job so far. More WS = better ep!! XD
pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 10:50 PM
Maybe because he was drunk?
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 10:52 PM
I mean Baek Ah was drunk so he never asked about the hand sign
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wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:38 AM
Maybe... But he didn't even struggle with the "OK" sound or sign. =P Heehee...
Napkiin
September 12, 2016 at 10:00 PM
I'm actually a little offended that they introduced the friendship between Soo and 13th like that. It's suppose to be slow from the beginning...
They should've made this 24 episodes or something, so it give them time to explain more things! I only understand it because I've seen the original, but a lot viewers hasn't I think that's why the ratings isn't high.
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wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:40 AM
Exactly! That's why I think the current plot confuses viewers who know nothing about the source material or C-drama. It's not well-explained or presented, and the audience is basically grasping at straws to fill in the blanks themselves. The original's 13th Prince and Ruoxi showed a steady build-up of trust, loyalty, and companionship, and that's why you know they got each other's backs.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 10:54 PM
Yeah why so much time with that stuff puppet? As if anyone is here to watch that.
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wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:41 AM
LOL Who knows? Maybe they're gonna sell that as merch later. XD
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Puni
September 13, 2016 at 9:33 AM
Where do you get the SBS version?
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wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:42 AM
On SBS site. You can sign up by creating an account. You can watch on website or phone app after logging in.
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71 LYF
September 12, 2016 at 9:36 PM
One of my favourite moments in this episode is Soo volunteering to go to the palace herself. She didn't do it because she wanted the marriage, but because she knew running off would bring consequences to the princes for helping her and she selflessly didn’t want that to happen. I really really want to see more of this Soo in the future. And like many of you guys have already mentioned, she saved herself in this episode. She may not be the brightest heroine ever but she has so much guts I find her badass all the same.
Oh, and I want Soo's job!! She gets paid for being at the SEXY BATHHOUSE. Best job ever.
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wackycashew
September 12, 2016 at 9:58 PM
Yes! She is so selfless and I like that about her. I think So recognized what her decision meant and that's why he called her a fool--sacrificing herself for the sake of others.
She's said that she's smart more than once, and I'm just glad she can get herself out of these situations.
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winry
September 12, 2016 at 10:04 PM
I completely agree with you on that, she look sooo badass when cutting herself to refuse to sleep with that old damn geezer
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 10:55 PM
At least she was smart about that, true.
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wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:44 AM
@winry @pigsnout For sure. And for that scene, I felt that IU brought out the spirit of the character Su. She's not some heroine who's gonna be hapless and a damsel in distress. She's gonna think of her feet for a solution, even if it's far-out and risky, in order to resolve the situation.
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72 winry
September 12, 2016 at 9:48 PM
Although I do like Su to be with So but at the time dislike it because he going to have multiple wife since he was a prince himself and there is no way to get out of it , i saw some post that 4th prince will marry princess Yeonhwa . T^T T^T how can my Su going to deal with that b**
I do wish that she can do back to her time and be with Su but at the same time debating she should stay here since she already death in her world to begin with . T ^T T^ T What is wrong with me , don't even know anymore . This story is getting more complicated as time progresses .
The original is soooo tragic , and in my opinion i don't think IU can pull it off like the female lead in the Chinese version? Who with me ??
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 1:50 AM
I'm not. I like IU's acting on the whole much better than Liu Shi Shi's, who I find painful to watch in pretty well everything.
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73 ET
September 12, 2016 at 9:55 PM
20 mins into the show and I am smacking my head on the table.
I felt as if I was watching a high school skit or maybe some Disney movie - Soo White and the Seven Dorks. It would be totally fine if that crazy scheme of kidnapping Soo to safety was suggested only by maknae who is all but 5 years old. Surely, Wook and So would have reacted differently? Nope, fat chance there. Okay, even if we really needed this mad escape, couldn't they film it right? That scene had the worst directing I've seen and the music! Aaargh!
Soo entering the Palace to be married to the King is a plot advancement which the show could have utilize to its benefit. Instead, the writer decided to make it funny(which it was not) and gallant. Maybe they thought viewers would just swoon at IU looking beautiful in the purple hood, galloping away in the misty forest with suave dude Lee Jun Ki.
Soo: "I didn't think you'd help me too, Prince So"
Really, Soo? I was expecting the squirrels, chipmunks and other animals to come out behind the tree trunks and help you too!
Rant over. Let me finish the episode, it can't possibly be worse, can it?
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Hye Mi
September 13, 2016 at 8:17 AM
Spot on observation about the whole marriage-escape thing. I was so frustrated with the randomness of it all I missed that point. Now I'm rewatching it and finally understand why HS's attempt to commit suicide didn't hit home for me. It's because the drama decided to take it as lightly as possible.
I wish they had just written a completely new drama with a time-travelling element rather than make an adaptation, because it seems the writer and PD were having a sort of crisis handling this story.
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ET
September 13, 2016 at 8:58 AM
I wanted to reach my hands into my screen and choke Wang Wook when he laughed together with the other princes after their trick was exposed. Even my love for Wookie couldn't ignore the terribleness of it all. What on earth was the PD thinking?
You are right that the writer and PD are incapable of handling the story. Saeguk isn't an easy genre, you must strike a balance between retelling history as it is written and embellishing it with fiction to make it entertaining. In this case, we can't even talk about balance. The writer seems to have taken the lazy way out. There's nothing in the writing that's resembles a saeguk if you strip off names and sets. I wrote in last recap that Soo and her princes can easily be characters in any modern drama.
When comparing Moon Lovers and MDBC, I often come across comments that say Moon Lovers is more heavy weight and complex whereas MDBC is light and fluffy. While MDBC does have a more straightforward story, it also does remarkably well in the political strife aspect. Little of the show feels random or forced. Moon Lovers has a potentially richer story. However, it's wasted when the writer and PD are unable to do their jobs.
If this turns out to be the kind of show only fans of the cast will watch, I'm obviously out.
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Hye Mi
September 13, 2016 at 9:20 AM
I can't agree more. I watch both, but can't help noticing the discrepancy in how the two shows are executed. SH should have had the upper hand, because the source material is rich, and even though it's also the typical romance trope of one girl - many boys it deviates quite far from the usual Korean love triangle in that it deals with love and relationship in a realistic way: that is, people may fall in and out of love for very selfish reasons. In a relationship not every girl or boy is a 'victim'; they may only be victim of their own personal dilemma. It hurts, but in a good way. One may or may not like the C-version actors or how the relationships were handled there, but I personally find there was a lot of potential for a good, deep, meaningful show that deals with relationships, even if there is not enough space for focus on political fights.
The problem with this show is that it is in a kind of identity crisis. On the one hand it tries to grow out of the original. On the other hand it tries to stick to the best of the plot there. It also tries to include everything: fanservice, romance, political fight, side love stories, relationships. There the crisis surfaces, because there are already too much to balance, and then it goes ambitious and wants to strike both humorous and serious notes. It also doesn't seem to know how and when to place certain characters in the spotlight. So many of the times I'm not even sure whether the star of the show is LJK or BaekHyun.
Another misstep to this drama is the writer's attempt to recreate HaeSoo. Fine, I'm good with recreation. I'm also good with the setup that HaeSoo doesn't know anything about history, that's why I've never complained about this. If done right, it can be very refreshing. But out of all possible paths, the writer chooses to do it in the most tacky manner: HS knows very little from the start, then out of a sudden by the end of ep 6 she has visions about the future, and she chooses to believe in that vision immediately. It'd be much better if hinted, though scarcely, throughout ep 1-5 that every time HS is in a life-or-death situation and has dreams, she gets blurred visions that keeps haunting and troubling her, not leaving her a moment of rest. This would be more believable as a hint to reincarnation. Too bad, another opportunity missed.
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74 JuicyFeet
September 12, 2016 at 10:20 PM
The amount of time spent with Hae Soo and Wook vs the actual male lead reminds me of the serious case of Second Lead Syndrome I got from School 2015.
I can clearly see her friendship with all the princes (So included), but as a viewer I'm only seeing the romantic tones with Wook.
I worry that they'll do a disservice to the romance in such a way that I'm not going to believe or accept it, because that is what happened to me in School 2015.
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JuicyFeet
September 12, 2016 at 10:51 PM
Also I just really want more Jun Ki on my screen.
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75 Lessa
September 12, 2016 at 10:25 PM
Yeah that was weird. I was halfway thru one version but my internet was slow so went to a different site, and watched it from the beginning again, so i was like - wut happened?!
True, it was a bit fast for Baek-Ah to be friends with Su now. And all the fast pacing made my brain dizzy. I would have liked a bit more substance on her relationship with the other princes. Whether they're just friends or wanting more. On the plus side tho, it does mean we get to see more of her interaction with So. ?
Which is not to say my heart wasnt all fluttering with her scenes with Wook. ? Oh girl you are going to have one heck of a roller coaster of emotions once So puts in the charm. #CantWait
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76 Indigo
September 12, 2016 at 10:29 PM
Disclaimer: Sorry for the essay.
The quickly changing moods in this ep nearly gave me whiplash! Don't kill me, but I now get its low ratings.
Scarlet Heart is an epic story but, in the hands of this script-writer and director, this drama doesn't feel epic. In fact, it's so rushed and disjointed it's starting to seem superficial, and I'm afraid its big themes may become muted or lost. It's also missing the deftness needed to balance comedy and tragedy. (I can't help but wish that the SFD team were working on this instead.)
Take for example the marriage to the king story line:
1. There was no background/build up.
2. From beginning to end it was a life or death dilemma yet they gave Soo (and us) maybe 2 minutes to let that sink in.
3. Right after her personal privacy was forcefully violated by Concubine Oh and the palace maids, and right before she goes off to be violated by the king (yes, violated since it would be against her will), you hear this upbeat, lighthearted music and she's making a mischievous escape as if from a simple prank. What the...?!! Her escape should have been fearfully desperate not lightheartedly rebellious!!
4. We should still be feeling her desperation and fear as she waited in the bedchamber but, no!..she just seemed to be passively waiting to be rescued. :/ With the proper emotional set up, the wrist slashing might have had some real impact as not only a scarring but, as even Soo and every 21st C person knows, a freaking suicide attempt! And not only from the actual cutting, but from defying the Emperor! C'mon!!!
As much as I like the cast and occasional moments of drama magic, I'm going to stop watching now and just follow the recaps. I fear this epic story is going to be botched beyond recognition, not because its been re-imagined (that's actually brilliant!), but because the script writer and director don't have the skill level needed for adapting this kind of story.
Heads, thanks for your hard work!
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Hye Mi
September 13, 2016 at 9:58 AM
No need to sorry. I'd build a Great Wall of text myself about the problem with this ep but I need to let my head cool down first :)
I'll also just pop in now and then for recaps. I can't seem to recognise BBJX anymore. Not that it should be identical to the original novel or C-drama. Rather, it has every potential to be good but the production crew screwed it up.
I genuinely feel bad for the actors. This should have been a big hit that elevates IU's acting career and welcomes LJK back with as warmly as it could. For other younger actors, though they may not shine through (well actually their roles have great potential for them to shine through) this should be a good opportunity to challenge themselves in a difficult genre. Yet by the end of ep 6 they're still a bunch of idle princes without any purposes, except for 3rd. I understand that the writer wants a fresh take, but judging from how she handles the growth arc of the side characters she seems to have been a little too optimistic with a limited allowance of 21 hours to tell her story effectively.
For the sake of the original story, I sincerely hope they won't screw up more from now. I'd be very happy if this is the worst they can do to the show. Can't bring myself to imagine what else can be worse from here onward.
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77 Lessa
September 12, 2016 at 10:32 PM
Oh yeah, i was okay (or just being very very patient ) before with the weird mismatched music, but dammit, show, the music today was just what the darn heckles?! It went from ok (funeral pyre eerie operatic song) to wtfhuh?! (Pop music is this hide and seek instead of trying to escape music)
I hope todays episode does well. Generally, I do like this show with my total ignorance of the Chinese version and Korean History, (except the ones I read here.) So im still enjoying it.... For now.
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78 Lilium
September 12, 2016 at 10:32 PM
Interesting parallel between the wrist slashing scene and the horse slashing one in Ep. 1.
Two grand gestures of freedom and the right to choose in so far as one is able to in Goryeo. Although on this occasion, she was one up on him as far as guts are concerned.
No matter how devastatingly gorgeous #8 is, Soo and So are soul mates.
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 10:39 PM
Ahhhh excellent observation! It's kind of morbidly sweet that they both have the guts to do such a thing. Also now that they have similar scars I can't wait for Su and So to bond more. You're so right about them being soulmates.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 10:57 PM
O_0 wow....this is the time when I really think this drama can be amazing, such a good point.
I wish they just told the story a bit better this ep. I feel sorry for the main actors.
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loveblossom
September 12, 2016 at 11:31 PM
+1! :D
Whoa, I didn't see the connection. Thanks for your insight!
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the-basketcase
September 13, 2016 at 12:22 AM
YES. YES. YES.
Also now that both Su and So are "scarred" they have another bond.
I wonder if So would have reacted differently in the scene where Wook hides Su's scar under her sleeve. To me, this seemed like he was embarrassed or wanted to forget her scare.
For So, on the other hand, I think the scar would hold another meaning. Perhaps, as one who is scarred, he would not reach to cover it up?
Wang So, come to the future! Here, chicks dig scars!
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pogo
September 13, 2016 at 7:45 AM
Wang So, come to the future! Here, chicks dig scars!
lmao I'm dead
But then he imported his own chick from the future so he's probably set to stay put for a while.
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shimu
September 18, 2016 at 11:13 AM
Parellelling those two slashing scenes, Queen Sinmyeongsunseong's slashing of So's face becomes more poignant. You could say she didn't do it intentionally, but she was the one who grabbed So and held that knife to his face. She scarred him in her attempt to impose her choices on the King, effectively caging her son socially (in the scar-hating Goryeo society's eyes) and later personally (in her sending him to the Kangs because she hated seeing him around).
So she blocked his freedom while trying to get her own, sort of?
There's also the parallel then, between Queen Sinmyeongsunseong sending So away and So hiding his scars with his mask. Both hiding their scars, symbolic and physical.
Which makes it interesting that you think So's reaction to Su's scar would have been different. He's been hiding it all his life, until Su (who hasn't had a strong reaction to it either way - could a non-reaction also be positive considering the times?) and now his brothers (which was a negative reaction all around). I'm more inclined to think So and Wook's actions to the scars are products of their time, and perhaps So is the one changing although the reveal at the party is certainly one step back.
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pogo
September 13, 2016 at 1:14 AM
Sometimes db really blows my mind. That's such a fantastic parallel, and I wouldn't even have noticed it without your pointing it out.
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angieya
September 13, 2016 at 7:36 AM
Wow...great observation. Would be interesting to know if it's intentional or just coincidence and we're giving the writer too much credit. ?
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wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:50 AM
What an insightful observation! It didn't click when that happened, but now that you pointed it out, it makes sense. That was their attempt to be defiant and free!
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Lin_K
September 13, 2016 at 2:59 PM
Thanks for pointing that out! I didn't notice it before.
"No matter how devastatingly gorgeous #8 is, Soo and So are soul mates." - Agree a million times! I don't get KHN's charm, maybe because I'm so wrapped up in LJK.
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pebble
September 13, 2016 at 5:09 PM
Whether the two slashing scenes were coincidental or intentional, one thing is for sure, So was clearly smittened by Su's courageous act, as seen from the intent look on his face when he glanced at Su, not once but twice. First, immediately after she slashed her wrist, and second, when she walked past him in the garden. Since he had wolf-dog temperament, he would not fall for those dainty and coy noble ladies aplenty in that era. It would take someone as gutsy and spirited as Su to stand out and capture his attention. After this wrist slashing scene, he started to see Su in a different light, so this set the stage for that intense So-Su romance which will develop in the last half of the drama.
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79 Lessa
September 12, 2016 at 10:34 PM
Oh. Speaking of puppets. Do people in those days make incredibly detailed modern looking puppets?? Liek wuuuut. That was funny. Both MDBC and MLSHG had puppets. ????
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80 Evelyn
September 12, 2016 at 10:37 PM
I watched both the SBS version and the pre-produced version and I have to say hands-down preferred the SBS version.
We get alot more backstory to some things - Queen Shin-whatever's disapproval of the marriage, Baek-ah's friendship with So, Baek-ah's friendship with Hae Su. It just flowed so much better and alot of things made sense. Also - alot more Lee Joon Gi to enjoy.
The pre-produced version was so weird and jarring with such poor editing I was like wtf?? all the while when i was watching. It's the worst episode I've watched so far, lots of things didn't make sense and all the different plotlines suddenly popping up made it so difficult to engage.
My one question is, why the heck didn't they think of all these and edit the pre-produced version properly? Did nobody in the editing team stop for a moment to watch what they just edited and thought like, oh yeah nothing makes sense? I mean, it's kind of frustrating but as someone who has never been this obsessed with a Kdrama for eons and eons, the editing for this particular Kdrama has been so obvious and and a great letdown. =/ It's just such a pity and i feel quite bad for the actors.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:00 PM
I agree, it's so freaking frustrating to see all that stuff. This drama needed better editors, SBS really needs to be more careful with these huge pre-produced dramas.
Now because of the fucked up editing and weird directing in some scenes the drama ends up looking bad. I feel so bad for Lee Jun Ki, really.
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Evelyn
September 13, 2016 at 12:52 AM
Exactly. And the way it is edited - like someone mentioned below - makes it difficult for one to keep track of and be engaged with the different characters and their personalities. It's just so all over the place. Cause you'd be getting abit of one character, then suddenly you don't see him for the rest of the episode and then he pops up again for a few seconds somewhere. The whole narrative just doesn't flow properly. I'm not usually picky about this sorts of things, but somehow it's so blatant in this particular drama.
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wackycashew
September 13, 2016 at 11:55 AM
I'm seriously in doubt how much time and effort was devoted to editing. Honestly, I watch a lot of pre-produced dramas since I like C-dramas as well as K-dramas, and C-dramas are mostly all pre-produced. They do professional voice dubbing and add in the Chinese subs and everything. That's why oftentimes, the productions do not air until several months to a year or more later.
In this case, I think filming wasn't completed till beginning of July? And with an air date set for 8/29 plus churning out a series to be approved by the Chinese side as well as subbed in Chinese, I'm not sure if this is part of the reason for the sloppiness. They were on a tight timeline and air date can't just be pushed back since it's airing simultaneously in several countries, not just on SBS.
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Livi
September 15, 2016 at 9:45 PM
I read on Chinese forums that the filming wasn't finished until 2nd half of July, which really doesn't give them much time for post-production, since they had to submit the complete series presumably full subbed to the Chinese authorities, and the approval/censorship process would take some time.
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baek
September 23, 2016 at 1:21 AM
i watched both version as well.. it would be better to have both obviously..
sbs version added extra scenes and smooth out the plot which the pre-produced one didnt had (mostly on 4 and 13th portion, the queen conversation with the king etc).. and basically removed certain scene/actions by removing or shortening of the pre-produced one to cater to the change.. obviously sbs edited one would be so much better since its richer in content with all the scene added in.. but this doesnt mean the editing is good.. quality =/= quantity
but sbs one seems so awkward, the scene between so and baek ah against the 3rd prince suddenly appear out of nowhere.. its not a recollection anyway.. its suppose to appear in earlier ep as pointed out by many (so is still wearing his not so nice clothes) and 9th prince did help out in haesoo escaping (though a small role like other prince) its weird he's not seen at the escape when 8th requested their help after knowing haesoo marrying a old man at the beginning..
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81 karin
September 12, 2016 at 10:59 PM
sad, sad, sad for this shows's ratings and outcomes, mainly for lee jun ki and kang ha neul.
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pigsnout
September 12, 2016 at 11:02 PM
I feel bad about the low ratings but at least they are getting praise for their role. I also feel bad for IU, her acting is ok, the drama turn out badly was not her fault but people blame her anyway.
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karin
September 13, 2016 at 1:13 AM
I am actually quite surprised on how badly people criticised the music director. I don't mean to say that the music direction is bad, it is bad, but I honestly don't think it is as bad as Cinderella's music direction. But I didn't really see or hear much about Cinderella's bad music from people though.
I agreed with you that IU's acting is actually ok (perhaps minus her act on the early first episode, even my dad was laughing at her surprised sounds lol)
Still though, I really wish the ratings can go a little higher (10% would be ideal). I mean, this is almost as bad as Descendant of the Sun / Comeback Mister. T_T
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82 Sam
September 12, 2016 at 11:01 PM
This is a history question. Could anyone tell if King Gwangjong (Wang So) really kill his brothers in actual events?
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kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 11:13 PM
I believe he kills Won (number 9) after he supposedly rises up in rebellion against him. I'm not sure about the rest though!
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 1:56 AM
Where did you read that? Because I think it's actually his son who has to kill Won when he rises up in rebellion?
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kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 2:05 AM
The English version of Wikipedia was sparse, so I checked out the Chinese version instead, where it said that Won (also historically recorded as being harsh and cruel) rose up in rebellion against Gwangjong, so Gwangjong put him down. His young sons were spared, however.
Another interesting tidbit: historically Won was no. 15. Jung was 5, Wook was 7, Baek Ah was 8, and Eun is supposedly 11. So they did take creative liberties in order to match the novel.
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 3:16 AM
Thanks for finding that out. Wang So's son when he becomes king also kills a Prince Won (something) so I wondered if you had it mixed up. Apparently not! If you can find out anything more than what's in Wikipedia in English about Gwangjong, do let us know. I'm so curious, and I know others are too, but it's impossible to find it in English. I'm so intrigued I'm actually thinking of trying the library! If only I didn't have so many fines from years ago... :(
kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 3:38 AM
@Barbrey: No problem! I think both him and his son Gyeongjong killed people for alleged rebellions: for example in the year 960, Gwangjong put to death many nobles and officials who had assisted Taejo in unifying Goryeo for supposedly wanting to rebel against him. Apparently these accusations were false, but I guess this is where Su gets her "killing to get the throne" theory from? Though this did happen after Gwangjong had already ascended to the throne, but we can see it as him trying to consolidate his power I do suppose. He also put to death another supposed rebel in 974.
Other important stuff: he initiated the civil service examinations in 958, and supported the rise of Buddhism and forbade sacrificial killings in 968. There were also two earthquakes in 971 and 972, and he changed the names of the two capitals in 960. Oh, and there was also a new uniform change for his officials as well.
The Goryeo-sa on Gwangjong: at the beginning of his rule he was magnanimous to his subjects, and was open to advice and suggestions. He understood the plight of the poor, and understood the importance of the arts. In his middle age, however, he began to listen to malicious words and killed indiscriminately (probably in reference to his killing of alleged rebels), and although he was a staunch Buddhist, he was also overly wasteful with material goods.
JuicyFeet
September 12, 2016 at 11:28 PM
Brief Wikipedia adventure let's me know that after Taejo is Mu, then Yo, then So. Mu reigns for 2 years, and Yo for 4 years. So reigns for ~26 years.
Idk how Yo dies but it says Taejo, Mu and So apparently die from a disease??
Lord Wikipedia also tells me that So did a lot of reformation, like he emancipated slaves and started the national civil service exams.
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83 anitra
September 12, 2016 at 11:03 PM
Anyone else LOLed when the future husband, a 60-year-old man with many sons was seen alright when he is known as the king?
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chocopieb
September 13, 2016 at 12:45 AM
Well actually, everyone was even more against it...
And this particular marriage is political, instead of with just some hungry perverted grandpa :p so they have less power to disrupt it... I guess :p
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baek
September 23, 2016 at 1:27 AM
suck thumb.. who tell that old man is the king who had more power.. and they could be killed by defying the royal command..
do kings really do that even to their children in the past (defy royal command and put to death?) assuming not for anything big like treason or anything..
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84 rochinipark
September 12, 2016 at 11:03 PM
Looks I am stuck seeing the original version seeing I am an international viewer and this show live airs the same time as Korea in my country. Yesterday, finally felt that disjointed flow of the story.I should really zoom in on the clothes worn seeing that is also a reason viewers have noticed the disjointedness.
Perhaps, I should try seeing the SBS version and see how it is different from the one I see my my tv channel.
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85 namsoso
September 12, 2016 at 11:09 PM
I love LJK, and even IU... but a bit disappointed with this drama as I can't seem to connect with the characters, and the story development. Its everywhere. I was so curious why the original Cdrama was so popular that I watched the first 10 episodes. It's so much more coherent, the plot, the characters, I can understand their emotions and reasoning behind each of their actions. There were so much more depth. Its a pity the kversion has to fit everything in 20 episodes...
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86 Bauble
September 12, 2016 at 11:15 PM
While I've always known objectively that editing, shots and angles make all the difference, this drama really drives the point home doesn't it?
Firstly, which version should I be following? Of course, some shows release extra footage or different takes, but they usually air after the whole show is over - and you can pick and chose whether you include it in your head cannon. But here, two versions are going out simultaneously and there are important differences. In the international version, Su looks at Wook when she wonders who'll be the crown prince and in the SBS version, she looks first at Wook but also at So. That's an ominous moment and her suspicions ideally would guide her latter actions. (or not? maybe the SBS version is just gratuitous fan service so that fans get to see a slice more of Lee Jun Ki!)
In some respects, I do prefer the chinese version coz that was the version the production team wanted to convey originally. Yes, it's got bad editing but the SBS version seems worse in this episode when suddenly out of nowhere you see So chocking the Astronomer (and hey look - there is the crown prince suddenly in the background for no apparent reason. Yeah, the Korean audience will totally not notice that this scene is clearly cut footage from some early exchange.) It just gives me whiplash and makes my head hurt. If I was the domestic audience, this would piss me off, because it's insulting my intelligence.
But the relationship building is all over the place, whichever version you follow. In the domestic version, they inserted that earlier cut footage scene with Yo, Baek Ah and So, just so that you could clearly see Baek Ah was comfortable enough to ask So for help resuing Su later on. While in the chinese version, you get to presume that the brothers have gotten closer (or the interpretation I like better - that Su has become important enough to the lot, that they are willing to ask just about anyone including their rather dark sheep of a brother for help!)
And come on, I think Baek Ah and Su deserve to have their drunken talk in real time, rather than a flashback! :( (I know the domestic version has that miniscule one off scene of them drunk + the flashback but gah it doesn't really make things better, does it?)
Plus, I have to admit, towards the end of most close up scenes, I lose focus and keep thinking 'cut away, cut away, come on, cut away now. I have seen all the emotions I want to from that particular face for now. cut...finally!' It's bad when you are actively thinking about it when watching the show!
I still really like this show. But I've decided to become a casual viewer and not obsess over it so much (Coz hello! I am not even sure which version's details to obsess over and trying to pick apart everything makes my head hurt!)
So finally all I've got to say is 'Yay, for Su 'rescuing' herself!' I am glad at least that's one thing both versions have no conflict about.
Thanks Heads...
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baek
September 23, 2016 at 1:29 AM
exactly.. would be nice if there's no such difference..
actor hardwork is being killed at the hands of the editor..
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87 loveblossom
September 12, 2016 at 11:22 PM
I just finished watching this episode... I watched this super late. @w@;;;
I can't sleep before I get my thoughts out.
There were some parts I had to watch raw so I struggled with it. Didn't realize there were multiple versions out, wtf! I can't believe this big budget drama is having such crappy editing & directing issues. Is it becoming more and more apparent? Arghhhhhh. There were still some good moments during this episode though.
Wook's breakdown in the library was heartbreaking. I really felt his emotions. Kang Haneul is great.
But I was thrown off when he admitted to Su that he was so scared about losing her that he even prayed to his dead wife about her. I guess Lady Hae did want Su to take care of him in her place, but it still felt wrong. Too soon. I wish he had said something like he was so worried about Su and that he would take measures to protect her in the future instead of saying he will give her all of his affections. Su's response wasn't great either. I wanted them to keep some distance.
Totally did not have enough Lee Jun Ki scenes, but I'm trying to be patient. I love that I could see So slowly shifting his emotions about Su from casual acknowledgement to more concern about her well-being.
Like many others have mentioned, the friendship between Su and Baek Ah happened too quickly. But anyways, I like that they are friends now. And I like that Baek Ah is talking to So and So is being included more with the other princes. It was nice seeing the princes all being concerned over Su.
I'm not familiar with Korean history so I'm excited to see Su investigate the threat to the king.
I like this drama's OST songs, including the more modern ones. But the background music this time was very lovely and fitting. Understated.
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88 TheImprintOnMyNose
September 12, 2016 at 11:24 PM
The only good thing that happened here is that the ost improved. And KHN.. Been thirsting for him the entire weekend..
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Adal
September 13, 2016 at 3:53 AM
KHN is so damn sexy in this drama, I didn't know he had iron him! I read most of the comments swoon for LJK, but for me Su and Wook own me completely. The feels, the way they interact and look at each other! I'm just, wow, blown away.
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89 Lorena Carlos
September 12, 2016 at 11:44 PM
So sad they did that to 13th and Su's friendship, they are soulmates , best friends, two free spirits trapped in the palace, their friendship is important in the story, and they rushed it...
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Dodgers
September 13, 2016 at 12:15 AM
YES!!! 13th prince and Ruoxi's friendship was my favorite relationship in the whole C-series. I'm hoping they redeem this part. It's not too late.
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Evelyn
September 13, 2016 at 12:45 AM
SAME! I actually really like their relationship in the C-version - it's very pure and it's all about common values and principles and they are just simply platonic friends. Just proves that men and women can be friends - even in the Goryeo era haha. Am hoping they flesh it out a bit more here in the next few episodes though i feel the manner in which the k-version introduces it here is too quick and makes u not engaged in it.
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90 kmellark
September 12, 2016 at 11:55 PM
I don't get why people are complaining about the lack of 4th prince and Hae Soo moments. They WILL come and So has not been shoved into the second lead syndrome. Wook is getting his moment/time to shine right now and that's perfectly okay. She WILL come to give up her love for him eventually. We just need to wait!
I thought this episode was very understated-- especially in regards to Wang So and Hae Soo's relationship. I loved their intimate/quiet interactions and eye contact with each other. There's so much meaning in them!
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voice
September 13, 2016 at 1:59 AM
i really love the interactions between So and Su because its so subtle but the problem in general is that Wang So himself isn't having enough screen time and if you think about it some scenes were uanessacry in this episode which they could've easily filled in with scenes of So
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91 kumoiwa
September 12, 2016 at 11:59 PM
I saw someone say on one of the Chinese streaming sites that it seems like the princes have already been split into different camps, based on who was with whom when they were trying to smuggle Su out. If that's the case, then Team So would just be him and Baek Ah, whereas Team Wook has Won, Eun, and Jung. That doesn't seem too far from the novel, but aw my heart is breaking already.
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92 gem28
September 13, 2016 at 12:06 AM
Kangxi treated Rouxi like a daughter, adored her. He was angry at her for disobedience but he did adore her. Sigh, and here we have a 60 year old pervert with 20 sons trying to marry her. Its like take the best away and give us the most shitty parts ever for this adaptation. Why is Lee Jun Ki a part of this mess, why, why??
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kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 12:15 AM
I do think this is one of the cons of adapting the novel to an entirely different history period. Kangxi didn't have to continuously marry women from different influential clans in order to consolidate his power (since he wasn't the founding emperor), so this conflict didn't have to exist in the original. Though I have to agree, it's a pity that we can't see Su being intelligent and gaining Taejo's favour, though maybe it will happen later? Hopefully they'll keep this part in!
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Dodgers
September 13, 2016 at 12:28 AM
**SPOILER**
Remember, Ruoxi was originally supposed to be part of the Emperor's maiden selection to be a concubine. The emperor specifically asked the 8th prince if she was going to be there. And 13th prince was horrified because he knew she was going to be picked as part of his father's harem. So 8th prince asked 14th prince to talk to his mother to get her off the list. And the 13th prince asked the 4th prince to do the same. 4th & 14th prince had the same mother.
Long story short, the emperor treated Ruoxi like a daughter after years of service. He got to know her and dote on her. But it wasn't right away.
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gem28
September 13, 2016 at 12:45 AM
True,
Years of service and her intellect won him over. I think it adds to the fact that she wasn't the only one around. There were more like her in his service and her chances were basically like 1/50. Add to the fact, that all the brothers were lobbying to their mother to get her name cut, different mothers and they were amused themselves at that. Rouxi was smart, learned woman back in present day China and in Qing Dynasty as well which also helped. Hae Soo is just extremely lucky Goryeo candy, that's it. Kangxi was also more in control compared to the rest, he ruled and ruled alone and had control. I guess the history truly made for a meatier story in C version compared to this one.
I think for somewhat if not exact Goryeo period drama, Empress Ki was the best that I have seen. That was great in all around acting, story telling and execution.
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Livi
September 15, 2016 at 10:19 PM
I think the Goryeo history is pretty meaty too. Establishing and starting a new kingdom via conquer, alliances & unification is a lot more interesting than maintaining a kingdom which has already been established for hundreds of years. That's why in many dynasties, later kings spent more time womanizing and drinking than on ruling the country.
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Livi
September 15, 2016 at 10:11 PM
The king wasn't a pervert and he wasn't trying to marry her because he favored her (ala the emperor in Legend of Zhenhuan). It was strictly a political alliance with the Hae clan to prevent war along the border with their enemies. Ruoxi was supposed to a concubine to the Chinese emperor, and since she's so pretty, the chances were high that she would have ended up as one of his 3,000 concubines.
The part Kangxi treated Ruoxi as a daughter only happened after she entered the palace and she had served him for quite a long time impressing him with her tea skills, so it's a bit premature to compare at this point in time.
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93 the-basketcase
September 13, 2016 at 12:12 AM
GOD, THE POTENTIAL THIS DRAMA HAD :''''''(
I really love the music editor/sound mixer in this drama. They really know how to stretch a silent moment or add meaningful music to really make us feel the impact of the scene we are watching (*cough* *cough* Cinderella and the four knights).
The transitions and editing just really take away from the amazing acting and storytelling going on in this drama. This is why editors are hired, c'mon!!!!!
I know a lot of people are really feeling the 8th Prince and Su, but I think that Wang So honestly makes a better match. This episode I felt their ~chemistry~ for the first time during the scene on horseback. While their love won't be as sizzling or dramatic (read tense and overdramatic) as her and Wook, I think So's love is more "powerful" (even though comparing feelings is absolutely ridiculous).
I keep getting annoyed at Wook due to him constantly telling Su that he will protect her and no harm will come to her, but whenever something does happen he just doesn't have the follow-through to save her. I mean, kneeling down to your king... dude... I love how much he cares for her, but his empty promises just demonstrate his inadequacy and indecisiveness.
So, on the other hand, went to find a legitimate way to rescue Su from her situation, and he did find a way! even though it was rejected. I bet you, if, at the time, So completely realized his love for Su he would have never stepped back and let the king pass. His active protectiveness and reluctance in her getting of his horse proves my point. Took would probably stayed silent (which he did) and just given off some beautiful meaningful glances. His actions demonstrate his suitableness for Su (even though comparing love is totally stupid).
One more note: I find it totally ironic that one of the main reasons people looked forward to this drama (the abundance of beautiful princes) is now one of the detriments of the drama (too many poorly written princes take away from the storyline).
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waitwhat
September 13, 2016 at 12:56 AM
you really did sum up Wook for me
he's a sweetheart but he's just so passive, and especially in this ep, pathetic..
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Evelyn
September 13, 2016 at 1:00 AM
Same - I really love the budding relationship between So and Su and can't wait for it to be properly developed. The spark and chemistry is definitely there. So's feelings for her (and I hope hers for him) seem to run much deeper and just grew overtime. I also really enjoy the meaningful conversations they've had and their banter (ep4), hopefully we get to see more of it.
So is way more assertive and actually thinks of something useful and follows through with it. Also, the thing I like about So that is really different from other Kdrama leads is that he seems to really take to heart whatever Su has said to him and he respects her words and decisions. I really like that.
On the contrary, Wook is full of empty promises which he doesn't think through properly or he hesitates alot which ends in Su suffering alot more for it. He also isn't really there to save her her protect her when she's in harm's way. Also the scene in the room after she got cut and he tells her he will give her the affection he never gave his wife. Dude, seriously - ew?? Please. As it is I already cannot connect with their love story, like I can sort of understand how they came to like each other, but the feelings just aren't that deep imo. Like have they had any meaningful conversations besides that PTSD one they had in her room in ep 2 or sth? Most of their dialogue revolves around Lady Hae or him making empty promises or sth. =X
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94 biankoy
September 13, 2016 at 12:16 AM
I have been filling this Wang So void in my life by watching Scholar who walks the night. And man it is such a drag! But I'm on episode 13 now and still working hard on finishing it and I will finish it because I realized that I have been doing some great injustices towards Lee JungKi!!! I mean, I have been fully anticipating and been eagerly waiting for each and every one of his dramas ONLY during promo period. I realized I haven't been able to finish any of his dramas. I'm so sorry!!! I promise to right this injustice! Now I'm bingewatching SWWTN and I plan to watch the others as well, in between watching Scarlet Heart of course. But come on dramagods! Let me have more Wang So!!!
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95 Tinniet
September 13, 2016 at 12:19 AM
One funny thing about this international version is it showed Wook's face at the final scene (after Soo's shocked face seeing Concubine Oh) while in the Korean version, the final scene is So's face. It's so obvious that they try to win over Korean viewer by showing more of LJK screentime (which he completely deserves).
IMO you should treat 1st male lead as he is and thus, not cutting off his scenes and replacing them with some random scenes (like in international version) that have nothing to do with the development of the character or story. I understand that according to the novel and Chinese version, now is the focus of 8th prince-Soo relationship but it feels dragging already and tired. I think most people just want the focus to shift back to the main leads' relationship. Hope that episode 7 will give some new vibes.
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96 youcallitwinter
September 13, 2016 at 12:22 AM
I can't believe I have YET to watch this episode because the subs never seemed to have come out at all till 5-6 a.m., after which I was forced to go to sleep. WHY, DRAMAFEVER, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME AND MY CRACK ADDICTION TT
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youcallitwinter
September 13, 2016 at 12:36 AM
(And I should stop quickly scrolling through this and watching comments grow in morbid fascination and despairing because I WILL see spoilers. GAH.)
I think this week has definitely established ratings though, it's probably going to stay at this level hereon just because people prefer sticking to something they're already watching, unless it completely derails, and then too, the majority won't switch. I don't think any trending drama has really stopped trending. Ratings are a bit of self-fulfilling prophecy, where even more people want to check out something because the ratings are high. Which is just sad for the SH cast, because it's hard not to see it as bad luck that they went up against Moonlight, which is the current trending drama (the ratings may have been different in almost all other time-slots) and from the their second week ratings against SH seems to have been the much, much more anticipated show, as much as the international hype (which, after all, SH is still living up to) seems to have misled international fans. I'm just glad that there's a lot of acknowledgement that SH IS good even amongst domestic fans.
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pogo
September 13, 2016 at 12:37 AM
@Zoe - seriously, I think it's probably best to sign up to stream episode 6 on SBS, after you're done watching it with subs (and at least get the gist of the dialogue/whatever's going on). There may be no subs on that and it's not perfect but it certainly seems like a less annoying watch.
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pogo
September 13, 2016 at 3:46 AM
PS: Apparently the SBS version (less weird cuts and better to watch) is subbed over at dramalove. Thought it's only fair to let another SH enthusiast know, even if the drama is trying its damnedest to lose us.
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pogo
September 13, 2016 at 7:57 AM
Ok, false alert - the engsub version I saw over at dramalove appears to be the standard crappy For International Viewers edition that didn't get the re-edit.
Best bet is to go to SBS directly after watching the subs.
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97 Telumiel
September 13, 2016 at 12:24 AM
As many issues as this show is having, I am thoroughly enjoying watching LJK's acting. His face when Hae Soo slashed her wrist, that she would willingly scar herself when he has been hiding his own scar all his life...you could just see the conflicting emotions of admiration at such a bold deed and confusion at such a seemingly shameful choice. Such good acting.
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Tinniet
September 13, 2016 at 1:09 AM
LJK's acting is the main pleasure of this drama. No matter how bad the drama is, LJK always shines at his own scene. None of his scene, esp closeup scene where visible microexpression dancing so gracefully, that I didn't rewind at least twice (and screenshots idek how many times).
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doubt_no_more
September 13, 2016 at 6:56 AM
If this is not for Lee Junki, I would've dropped this drama long time ago with this choppy editing they showed. The story is intriguing, sadly the editing is making me annoyed. I really hope the rest of the episodes will start to gets better, because I am feeling bad enough towards Lee Junki and the casts.
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98 pigsnout
September 13, 2016 at 12:30 AM
Did something happen to the comments? I was on page 1 and saw 399 comments st the top of the page but then went to page 2 and it's 393...weird.
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99 chocopieb
September 13, 2016 at 12:55 AM
When jimong was talking to the damiwon lady, he wondered what the king see in her. Does anyone know if 'her' is in fact the damiwon lady?
This lady seems to be quite associated with the king, by the way she advised haesoo on youth chasing freedom thing, and also the king sparked at the mention of this lady when discussing about how haesoo should fare in the palace from now on.
He was considering having haesoo as a slave. Even when jimong said that several queens might like to have her as their servant, the king was still unamused. But when jimong said the damiwon lady also requested for haesoo, he immediately turned up and said yes....
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kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 1:04 AM
It's interesting, because I checked out Taejo's list of wives and he didn't have any that had the surname Oh? So she's probably one of the creative liberties that the drama took with history. I wonder what role she'll play in Su's life from here on out as well--hopefully she'll be a mentor! Seems like it from the preview anyhow haha.
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chocopieb
September 13, 2016 at 1:31 AM
By concubine, does it mean that shes married to the king?
But i thought king's wives should just be relaxing in their room instead of working xp
I rmb last time when lady hae went to palace, wook's mom told her to find this concubine to get medicine.. Then the evil queen was sneering like, why is everyone so trustful with this concubine when she isnt a doctor~~~
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kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 1:46 AM
I was a little confused myself haha, because everyone was addressing her as sang-goong, which is Court Lady instead of Concubine. But yeah, it's interesting, because she seems to wield more power (soft power, at least) within the confines of the palace, since she's in charge of what at least seems to be Damiwon, and the concubine body check process. We need to know more about her!
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chocopieb
September 13, 2016 at 2:09 AM
Yess i remember in goong, they called the princess' assistant as sang goong.. So probably slight mistranslation there :p
The way she talked abt how all youths were always searching for freedom (or at least something along that line) intrigues me a lot. It feels like there are so many hidden stories here that im worried they wont be able to portray it well..... At least as evident so far..
And we're entering the second quarter of the story already now....
kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 4:14 AM
@chocopie: Ok so I checked out the character chart (in Chinese, because usually the Chinese fans are super detailed), and she's not listed as a concubine. I think she's a court lady, but one who wields considerable power and influence.
What if she was also like Su? Sent into the palace but eventually made into a palace maid--not a woman of the emperor, but also never free.
angieya
September 13, 2016 at 7:49 AM
Yeah, I was also confused about her rank because she looks more like a high ranked court lady and some sites state her as one and then others call her a concubine which is something very different.
taro
September 13, 2016 at 2:32 AM
the wifes of the king have different ranks and influence in the court and their job was manage the court and palace affairs, so for her as lesser ranked "wife" managing the damiwon palace is a conceivable task
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 2:50 AM
I was looking something else up and noticed that the Crown Prince's mother was from the Oh clan. I think that mother is dead, but I imagine we can expect Lady Oh to be a Crown Prince supporter.
On the other hand, she seems placed in a prime position to be a poisoner. And both the Crown Prince and Wang Yo both die of "disease".
My expectation is that I'll like her though. She seems an independent, intelligent sort pursuing her own hobbies and interests.
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kumoiwa
September 13, 2016 at 3:06 AM
Hmm maybe she'll be a So supporter in the end? Since So is close to the Crown Prince right now, and the Crown Prince also seems to trust him the most in return.
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Evelyn
September 13, 2016 at 1:07 AM
Yes I had the impression he was referring to the Damiwon lady - Concubine Oh. Especially when he says "she's very difficult". Their brief dialogue showed some underlying tension.
I think Concubine Oh is one of the, if not the most, important Concubines in the palace. I mean she seems to be the one in charge of the King's new brides as well as tending to the medicinal needs etc of the Senior Royals like Queen whatshername. That means she's in a really important position and has a lot of clout/influence in the palace/with the King.
Also, from her mannerisms, I think she will play a key role in Su having a hard time in the palace. Seems like there's a pretty nasty/conniving person lying beneath that calm facade.
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Lillily
September 13, 2016 at 5:59 AM
[maybe a spoiler?]
I read the description for Lady Oh and they said she's the king's lover before he gained power. Maybe she's even the crown prince's mother. Who knows? What we do know is the crown prince comes from a less influential clan hence the amount of opposition etc.
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Barbrey
September 13, 2016 at 11:48 AM
Oooo - I bet you're right.
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100 YY
September 13, 2016 at 1:06 AM
Watched this episode with mixed feelings:
#SadWookMakesMeCry
#SoNoShowMakesMeSore
#TellMeWho'sTheLeadAgain
#EnoughOfLoveyDoveyWook
#INeedMoreLoveyDoveySo
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