Beautiful Mind: Episode 8
by murasakimi
Things really get cooking this episode as the stakes rise and the good guys go on the offensive, nabbing up the opportunities presented to them. Some face hard decisions, and others face hard truths, but slowly everyone begins putting something on the line. Unfortunately, not everyone is prepared to lose much more than they ever bargained for.
EPISODE 8 RECAP
Today we start in Suk-joo’s past as he plays a rousing game of basketball with a friend. They banter lightly, when suddenly his friend crumples over and his eyes roll back in pain.
We cut to Suk-joo storming into his parent’s dining room, demanding that his father compensate his friend for the poor conditions in the factory where his friend works. In an effort to minimize production cost they used methanol instead of ethanol, which caused his friend to lose his eyesight and collapse. His father dismisses his son’s accusation, stating that he has done nothing wrong. In fact, if his son’s friend were to take his condition to the media, his father will not hesitate to file a lawsuit against him, citing his negligence.
Disgusted by his father’s behavior, Suk-joo declares that he will never eat at his parent’s their table again. His father reminds him that everything he’s accomplished in life is a result of his privilege, and though he may not like it, he will use that power as he wants, just like him.
Suk-joo disagrees and vows to live his life more righteously than his family at all costs.
In the present, Chairman Kang of Hyunsung Group is rushed into the operating room after fainting without warning. Director Kang rushes over to be by his father’s side.
Elsewhere, Young-oh picks up a fallen towel and hands it back to an attractive young woman on the treadmill next to his. He asks her how long she’s been a member of the gym. She smiles coquettishly and proposes a bet: if he wins he gets to treat her to a meal, and if he loses, she’ll answer him.
Instead of engaging, Young-oh just walks away, uninterested. When she confronts him for leaving her hanging, he merely states that he already finished his workout and doesn’t want to waste any calories on her.
Evidently, he’s saving up his calories for someone else. He later makes a conspicuously illegal turn onto a one-way road. Jin-sung, who is on traffic duty, chases him down. He slides out of the driver’s seat with a somewhat impish expression when she knocks on his window.
She blinks, surprised to see him, thinking how strange his behavior is. He says that she couldn’t possibly think that he purposely violated the traffic rules in her precinct expressly to see her, huh? She flatly refutes him and says that actually, she thought he’d be doing everything he could to get back to Hyunsung.
He denies it and tells her he won’t do something as petty as making an effort to go back to Hyunsung. Next time, if she is ever curious about him, instead of making wrong assumptions, she should call him. That’s exactly what she does once he gets back into the car, and from the window, he asks if she’s eaten.
Back at Hyunsung, Assistant Manager Chae confers with a group of Hyunsung doctors to identify the elusive cause of Chairman Kang’s sudden condition. His symptoms include paralysis of the limbs and loss of consciousness.
Min-jae starts to offer her two cents, but is immediately cut off by her boss, the professor that previously insulted her, DR. YOO JANG-BAE, who offers his own diagnosis. He believes the paralysis will be temporary and is a product of the chairman’s pre-existing conditions: high blood pressure and diabetes. This is what is known as a TIA or a “transient ischemic attack.” He proposes that the chairman will be fine after they administer medication to treat those conditions.
Assistant Manager Chae relays the advice to a distraught Director Kang. He assures Director Kang that his father will be up and yelling at him again in no time.
Director Kang chuckles at the joke, his laugh becoming increasingly maniacal. He jeers at how nice it is that Assistant Manager Chae can joke at a time like this. In essence, if his father doesn’t wake up and declare Director Kang the heir to Hyunsung Hospital, then all the work they’ve done on their regenerative cell research will be for naught.
Ominously, he adds that he’s really worried about Assistant Manager Chae, because if this plan doesn’t happen, then he winds up being nothing but a homicidal murderer.
While Jin-sung and Young-oh wait for their food, all Jin-sung can talk about is the unknown culprit in the motorcyclist’s murder. Not letting on what he knows, Young-oh levels with her and asks if she thinks a low-ranking traffic officer is going to win against a large and powerful institution like Hyunsung, who will do anything to keep this incident hidden. Remembering everything he has lost trying to do the same thing, he recommends she cut her losses and give up.
With her pure ideals tempered by experience but not extinguished, she solemnly explains that Chief Director Shin promised to have a drink with her after the truth is uncovered. She swallows hard and says she really wants a proper drink. But if she doesn’t figure out the truth of Chief Director Shin’s death, then she’ll never be able to enjoy soju again.
Young-oh argues that the world isn’t interested in the truth. She smiles mildly and says she’s going to give the world another chance. She then uncaps the soju and puts the cap down on the table in front of him. He flashes back to Jin-sung’s soju cap ring he kept in his possession, but says nothing.
Having made up his mind, Young-oh asks Jin-sung if she wants to make a bet. He holds up a flash drive, explaining that it contains everything she needs to know about Chief Director Shin’s death. Now that she has evidence, the bet, he explains, is to see if it’s enough to bring justice.
He pulls the flash drive back right as she reaches for it and adds that there’s no way she can decipher all the medical jargon, so she’ll need a medical expert to help her. But it can’t be anyone, because she may need to call them everyday and meet up with them frequently. She doesn’t seem to catch his drift and grumbles when he playfully (in his subdued way) continues to evade her grasp.
She grins and tells him again how amazed she is that he doesn’t want to go back to Hyunsung. He corrects her—he never said he wouldn’t go back, he just said that there is no reason for him to beg for his job back. He answers in his usual knowing way that Hyunsung will definitely call him, but then glances up at her, and for a second looks unsure.
Meanwhile, Chairman Kang’s treatment is not going well under Dr. Yoo’s guidance. Min-jae hisses that the chairman needs to be tested again, and it isn’t too late for Dr. Yoo to admit his mistake. She says the Chairman’s hormone levels are high, which likely means he has a tumor somewhere. She threatens to tell Assistant Manager Chae if Dr. Yoo continues to ignore her advice, which sets him off and he asks if she trying to jump rank and become the chairman’s physician now. Alarms wail as another physician tells Dr. Yoo that the chairman is experiencing insulin shock.
On the phone, Director Kang tries to reassure his older brother that they are doing everything they can to take care of their father. In response, his brother screams at him unintelligibly through the phone, and Director Kang’s attitude swiftly shifts:
“Isn’t it you who wants that old man’s life to end? All because you want to become the owner of Hyunsung. Isn’t it great to not have to appease that filthy temper? Listen carefully, the person that wants him alive most is me. Why? So that I can take Hyunsung for myself, but I need time.”
His concerned assistant calls out to him , but Director Kang shrugs and tells her his brother actually hung up a while ago.
Min-jae seeks out Suk-joo for advice regarding Chairman Kang’s treatment, but he’s a little stunned to be asked since there are probably a dozen other doctors already on the case. Min-jae pointedly asks if Director Kang’s treatment should only be a matter of interest to social climbers like her, and he looks back at her, embarrassed.
“You seem like such a good person to everyone,” she notes. “But in my eyes, why do you look like you’re struggling all the time, like me? Being ignored, discriminated against, excluded… I’m struggling against those things. But what are you—…” Before she can finish, Suk-joo brings her back to the task at hand, and she asks him to help treat the chairman.
Assistant Manager Chae lambasts a penitent Dr. Yoo in front of a room full of the hospital’s doctors. Assistant Manager Chae shouts at the rest of the doctors in the room and asks what they are doing. Dr. Hwang speaks up and explains that given the unreliable test results and the high stakes at hand, it’s almost impossible to give the right diagnosis. Seeing an opportunity, Min-jae pipes up, offering lung cancer as a likely cause. Moreover, the tumor could be hidden under the lung nodules, which would explain why it didn’t appear on the CT scan.
Assistant Manager Chae wants to know what happens if those tumors wind up being benign—are they going to put an eighty-year-old man through a major surgery for nothing? Suk-joo enters and says he will perform the surgery without opening the thorax to minimize the risks. It will still be dangerous, but right now it’s their best option. Assistant Manager Chae is hesitant about the procedure, but in agreement. He green-lights the surgery.
Suk-joo’s less invasive method involves video guidance, and Dr. Lee comments on how difficult this procedure is. Director Kang prays for positive results, while Assistant Manager Chae watches on tensely.
Assistant Manager Chae recalls an earlier exchange with Suk-joo, where he expressed his surprise that Suk-joo stepped up to participate in the chairman’s treatment. Suk-joo had merely asked, “Why do you think that is?” Suk-joo had also added that the patient’s life was the most important thing to him. In the surgery, Suk-joo and Assistant Manager Chae exchange loaded glances.
But after one close call, the tumor is successfully removed.
In a luxury menswear store, Young-oh meets with a tailor who brags about all the well-off sons that shop at this store. He advertises his custom suits that fit the wearer perfectly. But Young-oh isn’t interested in a custom suit—he wants to buy the fame of the rich and famous men who come here regularly.
Assistant Manager Chae congratulates Suk-joo on the successful surgery. He says everything from the diagnosis to the surgery was perfect. Suk-joo looks at him blank-faced and rephrases for him: the removal of the tumor was successful, that’s it.
Director Kang visits his now conscious father, who, upon seeing his son demands to know when he can go home. Pleasant as always, his father cringes, wondering aloud how long Director Kang will take credit for saving his life. He wouldn’t try and use his father’s near-death experience as an opportunity to seize power, would he? His father warns him not to even dream about it, and Director Kang feigns innocence, averting his gaze.
When his father tries to move off the bed, suddenly he collapses and falls unconscious again.
While Assistant Manager Chae and Director Kang panic, a composed Suk-joo explains that removing the tumor was only part of the problem—the chairman is far from healed. Seemingly out of nowhere, Suk-joo recommends asking Young-oh for his help. He fully believes Young-oh will approach this problem in a way no one else has come up with thus far. Since they are out of ideas, he claims that they need him.
No one is impressed with the suggestion. Director Kang in particular scoffs at the idea of letting a psychopath treat his esteemed father. He then freaks out as the Chairman’s blood pressure beeps out of control. Left with no other viable options, Director Kang is pushed into an unwanted decision.
It’s time for Young-oh to make his comeback. A familiar figure walks down the hospital clad in an all-black suit.
Dr. Lee sits in his office as his son makes his triumphant return. He remembers a peculiar exchange with Young-oh, in which the latter declared that he will return to Hyunsung even if his father opposes, because they “will need me.”
Before meeting with the patient, Young-oh goes to have another face-off with Director Kang, the very man who betrayed him and forced him out of the hospital, and one that now needs his help. Right away, Director Kang asks what he wants. Young-oh corrects him—he requested to see Director Kang and his older brother, who is currently on his way to the hospital. Young-oh takes notice of a medical essay on Director Kang’s desk entitled “Gender Trouble.”
Director Kang’s brother arrives, and Young-oh begins his discourse. Right out of the gate he identifies the two brothers as the cause of the chairman’s declining health. Even now, they are killing their father. What he means is that there’s a hereditary disease in their bloodline. He says their refusal to disclose this disease to the doctors, and consequently the public, is inhibiting their father’s recovery. He prompts them to confess their illness now.
Both take a turn trying to get the other to disclose their symptoms first. Young-oh literally claps at them to hurry up, or their father is a goner. Tic tock. Tic tock. Do they want their father to die while protecting their secret in his hospital of all places?
Instead, the older brother abruptly announces he will take his father to the U.S. for treatment if Young-oh really doesn’t know what to do. Surely the medical options are much more advanced there. Before leaving, he adds that if gossip regarding a hereditary disease gets out their stock will be in jeopardy.
Young-oh isn’t done. He keeps working Director Kang, who would have much more to lose if their father dies. Young-oh points out that his brother is basically giving their father a death sentence because to him he’s going to get everything anyway, so why should he confess to something damaging if it isn’t going to change his situation? However, Director Kang is different. He could potentially lose everything.
Young-oh gives him five seconds to answer and begins to count down with his fingers.
Director Kang refuses to play his game, but Young-oh says he already confirmed his answer by not looking at Young-oh’s fingers. Shockingly, he states that Director Kang is turning into a woman. Initially, Director Kang denies his claims, but his eyes grow red as Young-oh explains that his father will die without knowing the truth of his condition. And Director Kang will become a woman and die as a woman.
Young-oh walks off after saying his piece and Director Kang caves, begging Young-oh to save him.
Young-oh asks for his original position back at the hospital, which Director Kang says will only happen if he saves his father. Young-oh smirks, “The fact that I decided to treat this patient means he’ll live.”
Young-oh begins running tests on Director Kang and diagnoses him with a hereditary genetic disorder called FIPA (Familial Isolated Pituitary Adenoma). Young-oh explains that the condition is very hard to detect. To that, Director Kang asks how Young-oh figured it out.
It seems Young-oh was hard at work during his time off, keenly aware of everything, and has been slowly trying to deconstruct Chairman Kang’s medical mystery. First, he went to the gym Director Kang is a member of, and discovered that he never showers there. Second, from the tailor that makes Director Kang’s custom suits, he saw that the measurements of his chest continually increased. And lastly, his diminishing peripheral vision, confirmed by the finger counting.
Young-oh offers to resolve both the Director and his father’s pituitary gland problem. Relieved but overwhelmed, Director Kang inquires about what will happen to his older brother. Young-oh shrugs and says his brother doesn’t have the condition. But knowing that, Young-oh used the older brother and Director Kang’s ambition and bet on him coming clean, effectively playing him like a fiddle.
Director Kang is rightfully incensed, and asks how Young-oh could dare do such a thing to him. Young-oh coolly reminds the director that he’s a psychopath—he will do anything and use anyone to get what he wants because he can’t sympathize with other people’s emotions.
Young-oh goes to Dr. Lee to ask him to do the surgery on Chairman Kang. His father reminds him that the Ethics Committee has not permitted him back at their hospital, but Young-oh explains that it’s best for his father do it. This way it won’t look like Dr. Lee is abusing his power and letting his son who was previously dismissed return, and it’ll look instead like he did it solely in the interest of saving a patient.
He reminds his father that he told him he would return to Hyunsung even if his father opposed it.
Surgery time. Dr. Lee performs the Chairman’s surgery, while Young-oh simultaneously operates on Director Kang. Everything goes as planned with no complications.
Dr. Lee admits to his son after their surgeries that he was right about needing to do the procedure to save the patient’s life, but he warns him if he ever uses a patient for personal gain again, he will not let it go.
Chairman Kang and his son have their post-surgery rest in side-by-side beds. The father is notably more subdued and says he has heard about their disease. Chairman Kang acknowledges that thanks to his son, he was able to be diagnosed correctly and treated. He beckons his son closer, and Director Kang takes his father’s hand. He motions his son close and whispers into his ear, “This is why I’ll never approve of you.”
He believes that Director Kang simply doesn’t have the business acumen to bring the family any success. Chairman Kang says this was a business opportunity, and he should call his brother to start a genetic database business. Director Kang backs away as it begins to dawn on him that his father will never give him what he wants.
Jin-sung meets up with Suk-joo to report on the evidence in the flash drive. With this, she intends to reopen the case. Suk-joo shakes his head, stating that it isn’t enough to convict anyone. He suggests leaking it to the media and thus forcing the hospital’s hand. The public platform will then give her an opening to investigate the case. She agrees and hands over the flash drive.
We follow Suk-joo back to the hospital where two important things occur: first, the most recent research trials are showing small amounts of cell regeneration. Even if it isn’t a large amount, all they need now is approval and they can begin to use it in treatments. Suk-joo half-smiles, keeping his thoughts to himself. Second, Dr. Kim’s daughter’s vital signs begin to fail, and though the staff tries to save her, she flatlines. Suk-joo desperately tries to resuscitate her but, tragically, she dies.
Another (albeit dysfunctional) love-line reunites, as Min-jae greets a reinstated Young-oh. She says she was certain his days as a doctor were numbered, at least based on her understanding of him. She wonders aloud what changed for him, but he only replies by extending his hand for her to shake. When she doesn’t, he walks away.
As he leaves, Jin-sung calls him to thank him for the information on the flash drive. With his help, it seems like the case can be reopened. Her hope is to show him that truth has a place in the world regardless of powerful institutions and special interests. Young-oh concurs and he too hopes she wins the bet this time.
Inconsolable, Suk-joo retreats to his office and cries over a picture of Dr. Kim and her daughter, feeling helpless for not being able to save his patient or her mother. He recalls Dr. Kim’s words, telling him off for being self-righteous when he couldn’t even save her daughter. On this night, those words hit harder.
He comes across an old picture of Chief Director Shin and a younger Jin-sung, which prompts a sweet memory. In it, Jin-sung sneak-attacks Suk-joo from behind with a hug and promises to remember how great a person Suk-joo is, so long as her heart continues to beat.
Sometime later, Suk-joo leads a press conference announcing the successful clinical trials of their regenerative cell research to the public for the first time. Jin-sung sees the news and rushes over to confront Suk-joo, where Young-oh joins them. She tells Suk-joo that Young-oh was going to help with the investigation and they were so close, but Suk-joo dismisses her and says Chief Director Shin’s death was just an accident caused by a drug-addicted Dr. Kim. All the strange events that happened in the hospital recently were because of her.
Once Suk-joo leaves, Young-oh begins applauding Jin-sung, but doesn’t say anything at first. He lets her struggle over her words for a second, until she admits that he won the bet. He spins her around by the arm and says he has no interest in what she is thinking or how she feels. And while he can’t empathize with her, he can become an invisible presence in the room.
With that in mind, he adds, she can cry as much as she wants in front of him. And so, having lost much more than a bet, Jin-sung cries and cries.
COMMENTS
Who would’ve thought that Young-oh and Jin-sung would end up bringing out the best in each other? Such a pleasant development. These two are appropriately becoming the strongest relationship in the entire show. It’s almost like they dealt with (most of) their problems with each other in the beginning and are now creating something solid and increasingly essential to each other. I love how the writer is allowing small moments to bind them closer together instead of basing their development only on crazy twists that throw them on the same side, and/or exploiting shared feelings of inadequacy and betrayal.
I’m really looking forward to seeing more Suk-joo flashbacks and delving deeper into his character like how we did with Min-jae. At this point, while we can understand the factors that drove him to make the choice he did in the end, the character himself needs more fleshing out. Right now, he feels to me like a jumble of personality traits, rather than a real, lived-in person. More concept than human. I can’t wait to see what else there is to explore.
On the topic of Min-jae, I’m curious to see how they keep her relevant, because now that her big reversal is done she’s almost been regulated to a hospital side character. Even her struggle with Dr. Yoo was basically resolved in her favor. Her first post-break-up/backstabbing meeting with Young-oh was kind of lackluster. Maybe it’s because he’s stoic, but he seems to have accepted that their relationship was a lie. Maybe she’ll have her comeuppance, but would that mean her story is over?
This show does a great job of keeping things interesting and fresh, because there are so many familiar elements, like Young-oh’s deal-making with Director Kang, Jin-sung’s endless attempts to solve this case, and Suk-joo’s struggle with doing the right thing. But each episode builds on those elements and simultaneously takes us a little further away from what we once knew, making it impossible to turn back. On another note, I’m pleased to see Dr. Lee take a back seat today (he’ll become essential again soon, once he starts campaigning for the Chief Director position) to allow some of the other storylines to change. His exchanges with his son are packed with so much tension I would hate for it to get old.
I think another major point of the whole chairman thing was to push Dr. Lee into the Chief Director position. This way the Director Kang and Assistant Manager Chae alliance is forever disrupted by Dr. Lee’s rigid morals, which make things harder for them and forces them to do some crazy stuff that they otherwise wouldn’t have to do.
Some of those scenes with Director Kang and Young-oh were so powerful. Thrilling and unexpected, definitely, but also surprisingly poignant and heartbreaking. I liked seeing Director Kang dressed like a patient, because it made him so vulnerable. That coupled with all the loaded family drama really rounded out Director Kang’s character so well.
Overall, I feel this this drama is really the full package. Yes, some characters did/do weird things, but they had to learn and grow from them as a result, it wasn’t just like temporary insanity or anything. They are flawed people and have to face their failures with courage, compassion, and sometimes, a little bit of heartbreak.
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Tags: Beautiful Mind, Episode 8, featured, Jang Hyuk, Park Se-young, Park So-dam, Yoon Hyun-min
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1 Prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 4:24 PM
Thanks for the recap ! I feel so bad for Suk Joo in this episode. He is not a bad guy, he covered up the hospital's misdeeds not for personal gains or fame, but he just wants to save more lives. Even though it is wrong but I just feel so bad for him.. Arrgh
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houstontwin
July 15, 2016 at 8:37 PM
It was really hard to believe Suk Joo's actions at the press conference, they seemed so out of character!
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midflower
July 15, 2016 at 9:06 PM
I felt like it was coming although I was hoping he'd stay on Jinsung's side. Many things pushed him over the edge and hinted at his change of heart, including the researcher friend and the anesthesiologist plus her daughter. But it was cold the way he just brush passed Jinsung. Very cold, except if wasn't he probably would've broken down.
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Prettysup
July 16, 2016 at 6:44 PM
I don't find SJ's actions out of character at all. In fact I would probably have done the same thing if I were him. That's why i feel so bad for him.
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2 sorrynotsorry
July 15, 2016 at 4:29 PM
I feel like the story is coming together now after a bit of a rough start. I definitely want to see more scenes with our leads and also to better flesh out exactly what is wrong with our good doc. I kinda don't want this to be a thing where the gal fixes him but rather she shows him a different way and he gives her a different perspective.
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Peppa
July 16, 2016 at 8:42 AM
Exactly! I was wary of watching this so I read the recaps first, but after watching ep 5 I was hooked! It's fun to watch Young-oh making reasons to see Jin-sung. Based on the preview, [SPOILER REDACTED]. Hoho :-)
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3 Prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 4:39 PM
And it's so cute the way YO asked the lady in the gym not to bet with him coz it doesn't suit her haha.. Only JS can bet with him.
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RK
July 15, 2016 at 5:11 PM
Yeah! And not to take those words, lightly or something like that. He is already smitten with JS. ;)
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Adal
July 16, 2016 at 10:56 AM
Too true.??. And I think he knows it. He's been giving her hints which she hasn't picked up on yet. Maybe this is why he found it easier to walk away from Min jae because he's found someone to truly love. I wonder when Jin Sung will finally get a clue to how Young Oh truly feels about her.
It's funny how, now that Young Oh's condition has been outed that he uses his psychopathy as an excuse to do the things he wants, which are quite nice and kind things like getting Director Kang to admit his medical condition, or staying with Jin Sung to comfort her after he realized she was devastated.
He's much nicer than the so-called, "normal" people. I don't know much about medicine, but I can conclude that either Young Oh was misdiagnosed, or, not all psychopaths are inherently evil.
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Prettysup
July 16, 2016 at 6:46 PM
Definitely not all psychopaths are inherently evil. In fact I read an article which a neuro specialist only discover he is a psychopath accidentally when doing some research.
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kw02
July 17, 2016 at 5:07 AM
Young Oh looks a lot more autistic than antisocial to me. He has yet to demonstrate any damaging, antisocial behaviors that justify the discrimination from the people around him.
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So ok
July 16, 2016 at 8:07 PM
Yes! I enjoyed this scene very much.
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4 Meep
July 15, 2016 at 4:45 PM
I really liked the scene where YO was looking at CT scans with Director Kang, and then took a selfie, commenting that they look similar, like brothers. I felt like that scene drove home the fact that while YO may nominally be a psychopath the people around him aren't really any better, if possibly even worse because at least he knows what he is, and what he fakes, whereas everyone else is thinks they are normal and kind and empathic but in fact they're not.
SJ's struggle also worked for me, but I could see his failure coming a mile away because his character never displayed any true steadfast beliefs, if that was just a coincidence due to weaker writing it was a happy accident for me ?.
But most of all I am really enjoying the way YO and JS are slowly coming together. At first I was surprised at the speed with which YO seems to have decided to trust in SJ after his cruel betrayal by MJ, but then I thought of the YO-MJ relationship which also began very quickly and realised that this seems to be in his nature. Once you're in his (very selective) inner circle he is not on his guard anymore, sadly often to his detriment.
But I think what makes SJ so special to him is that she has accused him of the worst, mistrusted him and was foolish and brash, but also learned from her mistakes and since then has been a steady person at his side who didn't leave him when he was at his worst or even tried to manipulate him.
This seems to be a first for YO who has never had the opportunity for someone to know about him and doesn't judge him for his disease (anymore ?) and maybe actually can/will see the real him.
Also for someone who doesn't understand emotions he sure is good at being a comforting non-presence when SJ needs to cry. That was kinda sweet of him. Ahem, anyway, ramble over. This is definitely the doctor drama I'm enjoying rn >.>
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jmc
July 15, 2016 at 6:42 PM
can i correct you? SJ i think you mean Jin-Sung (JS) not SJ (suk-joo the 2nd male lead doctor)
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Meep
July 16, 2016 at 1:59 AM
Anyway, you are correct, this should teach me to type while tired ???
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5 junny
July 15, 2016 at 4:46 PM
Thank you, murasakimi, for the recap! I loved this episode, coming after a strong episode 7, and made for a good week of character development. As you rightly said, the small moments for Jin-sung and Young-oh were beautiful, and I love how they were done (mostly, since the editing for the crying scene was so out of sync with Park So-dam's body language). Young-oh's not-a-flirting still cracks me up no matter how many times I rewatch that segment, and I enjoyed his comeback to Hyunsung.. That corridor strut! Rawr.
I wonder if Suk-joo had been about to tell Jin-sung something else before he noticed Young-oh watching them from the top of the auditorium.
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extracheeseplease
July 15, 2016 at 6:33 PM
Re: your last point - that's my thought as well. I think Suk-Joo's nominal betrayal of Jin-Sung was part of some sort of plan to defeat the hospital's corruption, and he would've told Jin-Sung about his plans if Young-Oh hadn't been there.
Or, ahem, maybe his weird look was about Suk-Joo confirming that Young-Oh would be there to be Jin-Sung's shoulder to cry on after Suk-Joo breaks her little heart.
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junny
July 15, 2016 at 7:57 PM
Yeah, I'd wondered if Suk-joo was going to clue Jin-sung in on a possible plan as well, or at least plead for her to understand and trust him for now. I do like your second point, hehe. I wonder how Suk-joo will feel if Jin-sung and Young-oh really do develop a relationship.
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6 Helenya
July 15, 2016 at 4:48 PM
I really enjoyed this episode - especially seeing some fun quirks from Young-Oh. I loved the shade he cast on the gym hottie who wanted to make a bet... "it doesn't suit you..." because hehe it obviously suits another young woman much better. So cute!
And the cute-suave "I couldn't possibly have done this to get your attention..." with Jin-Sung. I did smile on seeing that she didn't book him for it.
More of this please writer-nim kamsamnida!!
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dramaspresso
July 15, 2016 at 7:19 PM
Right??? Young-oh with a crush is such a dork, I love it.
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goodytwoshoes
July 15, 2016 at 7:40 PM
I know right. He's such a dork. I'll like to see him solve the mystery of having a crush on somebody. Young Oh is going to have it so bad. Its going to turn his head. Hehehehe
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7 Arhazivory
July 15, 2016 at 4:51 PM
Solid episodes this past week. I'm now fully invested in the show.
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8 Glory&Gore
July 15, 2016 at 4:56 PM
That scene at the gym tho. Made my day. Lol
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9 loophole
July 15, 2016 at 5:01 PM
Lol. Young Oh is pure evil!!!!!!!!!!! And I love him.
*whew*.
How many people screamed WTF!!!! When he told Director Kang he was turning into a woman. Oh my God!! I almost died from the suspense. I expected something terminal. When I heard FIPA, I was like WTH!!!! I laughed so hard. It was the last thing I expected to hear.
Young Oh is so adorable with his childish moves. When he drove on that one way road just to get Ji Sang's attention and the whole, 'you have to talk to a doctor, just not any doctor.....' He's such a child.
So its okay to assume Suk Joo has flipped off his humanity switch and joined the dark side. Took him long enough.
Episode 8 and I still don't know what Dr Lee's deal is.
And all Min jae has brought to the table so far is her smug smile, neck and eyeballs. No more words
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Prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 5:08 PM
Yeah he gave such an obvious hint yet our clueless JS approached SJ instead for help lol
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mjfan4life
July 15, 2016 at 5:21 PM
Yea, was not expecting that big as twist I was like a woman?!?!?! Oh sh8t~
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10 RK
July 15, 2016 at 5:05 PM
Love this drama!!
Not a prominent scene but a cringeworthy moment in ep 8, if I'm not mistaken: the doctors sharing a bag of chips and germs as they pass it around eating with their lab coats on! Eew! Seriously, used lab coats (unless newly washed) may be teeming with microbes.
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Arhazivory
July 15, 2016 at 5:50 PM
B-b-but I always eat in my lab coats. Sometimes in front of the microscope with dead specimens underneath. =D
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Peppa
July 16, 2016 at 8:48 AM
Heol. I've never done that cause either a parasite on a stool specimen or a failing grade from your strict prof will kill you.
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Arhazivory
July 16, 2016 at 7:38 PM
Well...I wouldn't with stool either. But I work with freshwater invertebrates so that's a bit safer. lol.
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extracheeseplease
July 15, 2016 at 6:22 PM
Tee-hee!
If it makes you feel any better, those doctors aren't necessarily the brightest in the bunch...
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RK
July 15, 2016 at 7:08 PM
I agree - the writer was having a laugh poking fun at what doctors do in real life. Yeah folks, next time your doctor wants to shake your hand, better grab a hand sanitizer before grabbing that hand. It's all fun and games until -- well, you know what will happen ;)
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prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 6:26 PM
But that's what they do in real life
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RK
July 15, 2016 at 7:12 PM
Yup - I totally agree. That is what they do in real life.
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themugen123
July 15, 2016 at 9:44 PM
totally realistic because that is the way it is.
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PakalanaPikake
July 15, 2016 at 10:43 PM
There's nothing like a good immunity challenge on one's coffee break. ;-)
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11 mjfan4life
July 15, 2016 at 5:19 PM
Beautifully said : They are flawed people and have to face their failures with courage, compassion, and sometimes, a little bit of heartbreak.
eight episodes in and I concluded that I wouldn't take ANYONE to that hospital unless they were being operated on by Young oh too many deaths occur lol. Suk joo should of just quit with everything he found out about like jeez every where you turn somebody is a corrupt doctor. I love the development happening with young oh an jin-sung your right even if there small moments of screen time it's well anticipated an how young oh acts around her I love it I don't think he even realizes how is acting when he comes in contact with her it may be small moments but for a character like young oh to me they are HUGE leaps ( I don't know they just are for me) like purposely making a illegal u-turn so he can see her, asks her to eat a meal with him, the obvious emphasize he was giving her to asking him to help her with reading all the medical mumbo jumbo on the flashdrive (lol) the teasing of the flash drive these are moments like those. This drama is very addicting im glad jang hyuk took this role. I hope this continues in the right pace an writers don't mess up the flow of how things are going cause we all know that happens.
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windsun33
July 16, 2016 at 10:12 AM
I think it is better than the hospital in "Doctors", where the main claim to fame for many of the doctors is how much they can drink.
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Adal
July 16, 2016 at 11:06 AM
Agreed.
This drama packs a powerful punch to the heart, and in a good way. I love how the focus is on several doctors in the hospital and not just the main leads.
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TM
July 17, 2016 at 5:02 AM
I remember that scene in doctors. I was like "doctors going through ethylic coma..."
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TM
July 17, 2016 at 5:00 AM
I can see the great leap too. And I don't think Young Oh actually really realizes that he is smitten with Jin Sung. The way he tried to invite her to lunch and yet trying not to show that he just wanted to have lunch with her (and not just because of their investigation) was soo adorable to me. They are quite natural with one another too. I like their relationship: no hiding, no lying. I was si happy to see his scene with Min Jae. You could totally see that he got over her.
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12 Minaminami
July 15, 2016 at 6:52 PM
If there's a bet on SJ, I think I won! I knew it that he would go to the dark side. Just like Harvey in Batman. These people go for the greater good thinking that they can path evil ways and sacrifices few lives to achieve a good final goal. Okay SJ, do your worst.
YO was just yummy in this episode, as if he's sayin to people "y'all think I'm a psychopath? Let me show you how awesome psychopath can do"
JS as usual is soo idealistic not knowing how the world works. I believe she'll learn from YO how to play the game like a pro. There's no such thing as honest way. She just need to be smart and sly to win.
OMG! Writing this made me feel like a psychopath! Rest assure people, I'm not I just love it when characters go twisted and really mess up. Makes it more interesting. BTW: not mess up like SBN in Lucky Romance though, I feel like pulling her hair out. M still sad the drama is over. So m moving from JSH to LYO now. hing~I miss JSH already~~~
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extracheeseplease
July 15, 2016 at 7:46 PM
Don't count your winnings yet! I think SJ might be faking his fall to the dark side in some sort of ploy to fight the corruption in Hyunsung. I could be wrong, of course, but that kind of Gryffindor-esque righteousness seems more in line with his characterization.
We'll find out for sure within the next few weeks! :D
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Tha
July 16, 2016 at 8:57 PM
I truly hope that SJ is good. Not only will JS be in tears, I will too.
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TM
July 17, 2016 at 5:16 AM
You think? Because his actions echoed to what we were shown in the beginning of the episode with his father and how he uses his power. Of course I don't think SG is not a good guy. But don't his actions mean that he considers he can do anything as long as it brings good in the end? But to me, the end doesn't justify the means. But he's getting interesting as a character with the nuance. I found him too perfect.
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Scarlet
July 18, 2016 at 7:56 PM
i think it is kind of logic that suk joo would fall to the dark. anyone in his position will have 50% probability to go there. him as a doctor and a friend feeling defeated and hopeless, it is definitely not weird for him to turn like that. even if i am in his position, i would really be conflicted with the dilemma and might be considered the options to go dark. because we are human and we are flawed. there are times we go with our emotions rather than logic. and through suk joo, the show show us our weaknesses.
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13 Prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 6:55 PM
Someone I know had the same condition as Director Kang and she said that it was indeed difficult to diagnose. She also praised the writer for doing a good job in the details as even the bandage was in the right position.
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midflower
July 15, 2016 at 9:10 PM
Thanks for sharing! That's pretty cool.
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14 mrc
July 15, 2016 at 6:56 PM
thank you for postign this recap ! oh my goodness was waiting for days!
i really love too the small moments they had in episode 8!
but Jin-Sung my girl... you need to pick-up his (Young-oh's) hints faster.... guess it will take time for her to know about relationships, since she has been single most of her life XD
Still want to know more about Young-oh's father Dr. Lee and how his relationship with his son will improve in the future episodes of this drama series.... i do hope they do reconcile into good terms.
Min-Jae? nah still do not like her 999999%
Suk-joo i hope he has better & GOOD plans behind that lying to Jin-sung in the ending part and not join the dark forces of Dr. Chae. Whether that plan is to destroy the corruption of the hospital, find the murderer or helping Jin-Sung solve the case but without her knowing it.
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15 Lily
July 15, 2016 at 7:32 PM
Young Oh's comforting for Ji Sung at the end of this episode warmed my heart more than anything: "You do know… that I am not interested in what you’re thinking… or what you are feeling… at all. I can’t empathize, either. From now on, I no longer exist. You can… cry as much as you like, right here in front of me."
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prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 7:45 PM
Yeah the last scene was was so sad... poor JS's belief in humankind was dashed
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Mrs.Kim
July 16, 2016 at 12:32 AM
He copied it. The flash drive he gave to Ji Sug was different with the one he took from dr.Sim Eun Ha room
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Glory&Gore
July 16, 2016 at 7:38 AM
Brb, gonna watch that scene again
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16 Iluvjis
July 15, 2016 at 7:44 PM
I hope someone remembered to make a copy of that thumb drive she handed over to SJ. It's like Remember A Son's War all over again. Make multiple copies people!
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prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 7:46 PM
I am sure YO made a copy before he gave it to JS
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michykdrama
July 15, 2016 at 10:54 PM
I'm sure YO did. If he didn't, I'd be very upset at the writer. I wouldn't be surprised if JS didn't though. Heh.
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mrc
July 15, 2016 at 7:46 PM
INDEED 9999999999%
make copies AS IN LOTS and TONS XD
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Minaminami
July 15, 2016 at 7:50 PM
I was thinking the same with the pendrive. They should make copies! Hopefully YO did. This should be basics for him.
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17 Needaname
July 15, 2016 at 8:29 PM
Thanks for the recap! Unlike YO, I find it hard to read some of the characters. Like Director Kang. I think when his dad told him to call his brother to start a business in genetic database he was hurt and shocked that his dad would use his/ their condition as a basis to make profit. I think to Director Kang his condition was frightening and it is not something he would abuse. I guess that makes him more humane than his family. So by removing the tumor, does that totally stop the process, or will he really still live and die a woman? If they were aware of that why would they not have already tried to "cure" themselves? Is there a cure for FIPA? I was a little loss there as to why they had to operate on both of them at the same time? Is it because Director K's tumor was more prominent than his dad so he served as a guide to finding the location? So then who else was informed of their disease? Dr Lee should know since he did the surgery he must have known what he was removing and why? I hope they continue with that disease as I find it so interesting, never heard of it before and hope it wasn't just used as a feature for this one episode. I tried to google it but it is a little hard to grasp-- I mostly found research papers.
I don't understand MJ. I get that her character is used to portray sexism, class prejudice etc. at the hospital. She is from a poor background, went to a countryside school and is a woman, but I too am not sure if her character is supposed to do/be anything else. I can't tell what is driving her. We don't see that she genuinely cares about the patients like SJ, is she just ambitious or fighting for her right to be where she is now, fairness or just vengeful? It does seem like her character is just there to incite things in order for others to go over her. Like SJ, she approached him first but then he took over and caused YO to come back. She is the one who the committee listened to to fire YO, it is her testimony as the main factor but she has no power. I don't get it. And the other docs just trailing behind, just there so that YO stands out. I wish the other staff were a little more well rounded as they are depicted as useless/incompetent. Only YO and Dr Lee are allowed to "shine". Can't wait till the next episode!
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prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 8:58 PM
Try googling Pituitary tumors instead, here is a good read
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pituitary-tumors/symptoms-causes/dxc-20157631
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prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 9:00 PM
And to answer your question, yes Director Kang's illness can be treated by removing the tumor, he will not need to live and die as a woman.
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Needaname
July 15, 2016 at 11:12 PM
Thank you Prettysup! That link does provide more information! We do learn from Kdramas!
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michykdrama
July 15, 2016 at 11:06 PM
You can read my very long explanation below. But yes prettysup is right- he won't change into a woman, and the surgery will remove the tumor producing the hormones causing the problem and so he will be cured. ?
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Needaname
July 15, 2016 at 11:35 PM
Thank you Michykdrama! It is very helpful! They also said it can be an hereditary disease, but does that mean they carry the disease but that it can develop later? Or could the Chairman live most of his life with a dormant disease? At the Chairmans age, would it have been more prominent than his son or is the severity dependent on which hormones are affected? It is all very interesting! Thank you so much for sharing your medical knowledge and expertise! I can't pick up all the medical terms so it's great that you are here! I know it's a kdrama but it definitely covers interesting subjects! Now was it really necessary to operate on both of them at the same time? Or was it just for convenience in terms of staffing and equipment usage? Sorry, I ponder these things... I find it interesting that surgeries can happen so quickly. I always thought you had to plan ahead, but in the dramas it seems that anyone can just step in! Thanks again!
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michykdrama
July 16, 2016 at 12:32 AM
Glad my effort wasn't wasted, it was very rushed because I have been super busy this week, but I hope I covered most stuff ?
Regarding FIPA-
Anyone can get a pituitary tumor but people with the FIPA gene mutation have a higher risk of developing the tumor. It doesn't mean they 100% will get it, but that their risk is higher than another person without the gene mutation. Does that make sense? Its like the BRCA gene and breast cancer. (Not sure if you have heard of this, it's much more well known) Anyone can get breast cancer but a woman with BRCA gene mutation has a much higher risk of breast cancer, on both breasts, as well as ovarian cancer.
So the Kang family has the gene mutation that can be passed on, but it doesn't mean that they have a pituitary tumor from birth, just that their risk of developing one is higher than another family without it.
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Needaname
July 16, 2016 at 9:30 AM
Thanks Michykdrama! It makes much more sense when you say it is a gene. I think because the drama first referred it as a disease (or maybe it's the subs) I was thinking having a disease should be more prominent. But knowing it is a gene makes more sense as yes, a gene puts you at higher risks but doesn't automatically make you a sick person. Thank you so much!
michykdrama
July 16, 2016 at 12:36 AM
And no, they didn't need to be operated on at the same time at all. Lol. Purely for the dramatic effect and for us to enjoy more scenes with YO and Dr Lee! Haha. Those 2 are really awesome actors in my opinion. To me, watching them interact in a scene is like watching a masterclass in acting. ?
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Needaname
July 16, 2016 at 9:47 AM
Totally agree about Dr Lee and YO! They are both captivating and terrifying, and we can't tell who is more afraid of who! Is it the psychopath or the one trying to control the psycopath?! The father or the son? In a way I think Dr Lee, like any parent, is just trying to protect his child, don't do anything dangerous, stay in a safe zone, don't make trouble. There is the fear of discovery, but once that's out of the bag there is no sympathy. They say YO doesn't know love because of his disorder but he also was never shown love, whether from his dad or even MJ. They have an interest in him but no compassion. Just because he supposedly can't feel love doesn't mean you shouldn't give him love. I think that's why JS plays such a big part in his life at this time as she actually treats him like a human being...so he can be one in return.
Adal
July 16, 2016 at 11:14 AM
@Needname
Excellent points.
It's so true that if Young Oh was never shown true compassion and acceptance, by those closest to him, how could he be expected to show it to others? His father constantly lectured him dispassionately, and his ex-fiancé used him as a lab rat. In both instances he was just little more than a test subject. It's so sad.
TM
July 17, 2016 at 9:06 AM
I also believe that for him to know and feel what love is, he should have received it or at least be treated as a human being and not a pet lab. Maybe he would be able to feel more stuff if his dad had given him love. I think in any person, disease or no disease, if you don't receive love from others (your parents or the people you live with), you won't be able to understand it or even to feel it. I mean I'm not a doctor and don't know anything about psychiatric diseases but I can't just blame his ASD for everything. His father is to blame too. And thank you Mickykdrama for enlighting us. I guess women can have this gene as well and transform into men?
18 followsky
July 15, 2016 at 8:33 PM
Thank you for the recap! :D I hope each episode of BM will have recap! :D I like reading recaps of BM and comments after I've watched it. Hihihi. Can't wait for Monday and Tuesday! =)
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19 Jat
July 15, 2016 at 8:38 PM
I've been single for most of my life too..so when YO drives to the one way road, stands for e few seconds with his sunglasses and asks her to call..my reaction is just like hers. There is no way I 'm gonna misinterpreted it to something else..
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20 prettysup
July 15, 2016 at 8:56 PM
Just wondering, how many BM audience are watching a JH drama for the first time?
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simisola
July 15, 2016 at 9:59 PM
BM in a way 'was' my first JH drama. And i was reading a lot about what a good actor he is. I wasn't too impressed so i thought maybe I should watch some other work of his and ended up watching few episodes of 'fated to love you'. And i like him more now.
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21 michykdrama
July 15, 2016 at 9:11 PM
Hahaha. Oh my goodness. Ok I now understand why some beanies would ask to explain the medicine in this episode.
I haven't had time to watch it proper, but just the recaps have me going ???.
Give me a few hours to watch and I'll try to explain it as best as I can. It's got stuff that is correct and yet stuff that is totally misleading so... It's very confusing. My husband's subspecialty deals with FIPA so I'll try my best to explain stuff after "consulting" him. Hopefully he won't roll his eyes at me too much. Lol!
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22 jessanno
July 15, 2016 at 9:48 PM
Min-jae is petty. Seriously, let's bring more to the table for her before I seriously start to dislike her. I think her approaching Young-oh was to try to rile him up and I'm glad he basically ignored her ass. lol
And my poor Suk-joo! I knew it was a matter of time before he went to the evil for the greater good team but that scene after Ji-an died really broke my heart. He clearly was hurting and I can see how he came to the decision he did. I don't agree with it but I understand it.
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michykdrama
July 15, 2016 at 11:03 PM
Actually, I don't really understand why Suk Joo did what he did. I understand he is heartbroken because to the deaths of Dr Kim and now her daughter. But how will convering up the problem with the stem cell treatment help?
It's not like the problem will just go away even if he helps cover it up. In fact I had expected that he would have covered up the problem to help hurry up the research in order to help save Dr Kim's daughter. But now that she has died, then I don't see why he would do it at the expense of his own morals.
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Needaname
July 16, 2016 at 12:01 AM
My two cents on SJ is that exposing the problems will lead to the possibility of the shutdown of the research so he chose to cover it up now so that the research can continue. I think Jian's death gave him more conviction that they need to continue and succeed as before he seemed to be wavering due to the two deaths and finding out about the side effects. He also had the flashback of Dr Kim telling him that his righteousness/goodness could not help her daughter. Maybe he is trying to think differently, to believe in the absolute and disregard the obstacles. He now wants to succeed for Dr Kim and her daughter--because as he was before he failed them. But it is interesting that he did seem like he wanted to say something to JS but when he realized YO was there he just spoke harshly to her. Maybe he has a plan?!
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prettysup
July 16, 2016 at 12:09 AM
Actually I do get why SJ did what he did. After witnessing JA's death and remembering her mum's words, plus his colleague telling him that their research is progressing, plus the late director's wish that surgeons will not be needed any more.. all this add up to the wish that their regenerative medicine dream may come true after all. After all the dead are already dead, by exposing what the hospital did, they will not come back to life. But if the medicine can work, he can help to save more lives in future. His covering up is not to save JA's life but to save other kids like her. Although it is not right, but I understand his dilemma, being a doctor who wants to save more lives.
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michykdrama
July 16, 2016 at 1:17 AM
@needaname (your name is so cute! Lol) and @prettysup:
You both raise a lot of good points. Guess I can see where you guys and SJ are coming from a bit better, I just don't like how he helping them cover it up, especially after the opening scene and his speech to his dad about not becoming like him.
@needaname I do hope you are right about him maybe having a plan!
But yeah I guess he isn't happy about what he is doing either so at least I will cling to the hope that he hadn't entirely sold his morals for the sake of the supposed "greater good".
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TM
July 17, 2016 at 9:12 AM
Covering this raises an ethical issue and it is so risky. I understand his dilemma but I find it sad that he somehow was influenced by peer pressure. Their treatment is not perfect yet, one little victory is good but certainly not enough to risk it.
windsun33
July 16, 2016 at 10:19 AM
One elephant in the room that has been ignored is the fact that if the treatment did get approved and went into general use, and the side effects are still there everyone involved could end up sued into oblivion.
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kw02
July 17, 2016 at 5:30 AM
And the side effect can kill too. How can anyone be certain that the regenerative cell research will save more lives, and not worsen the existing heart problems of the patients?
I think Suk Joo made a rash, emotional decision. I hope he is not too late to rectify it.
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23 gem28
July 15, 2016 at 10:03 PM
How the heck does FDA work in Korea, the approval was fast. can anybody shed light on it??
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nAEE
July 16, 2016 at 4:25 AM
LOL. I was thinking the same. You cant simply get approval on new treatment or drugs from FDA within one week!!
I thought FDA is from America. Like different country will have different governing board for drugs/treatments eg TGA in Australia & FDA in America?
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windsun33
July 16, 2016 at 10:21 AM
This has supposedly been in the works for a while, but yeah 1 week - no way unless everyone involved is corrupt (and they may be).
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TM
July 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM
There definitely is corruption. In most drama there is corruption anyway. I guess the politician guy (sorry I forgot his names) bribed a lot of people.
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24 michykdrama
July 15, 2016 at 10:20 PM
Ok here goes! Sorry this is so long...
Regarding Chairman K's condition: he has 2 diseases- first a lung tumor, likely small cell carcinoma which produces ACTH hormone. As mentioned by Min Jae when arguing with her arrogant superior and at the meeting. ACTH is normally produced in the pituitary but small lung cancer cells can also produce ACTH (This is called a paraneoplastic syndrome).
They decided to remove the tumor by VATS- (video assisted thorascopic surgery) which is less invasive (smaller cut) than open surgery: they only cut small holes in the side of the chest and put in a camera and equipment to cut the tumor out. The lung is deflated on the side which they are operating on (to give them space in the chest), allowing the surgeons to see the tumor on the screen and cut it out. As a side note, the surgery scene is VERY realistic- it looks exactly like that in real life.
It is much less painful and less stressful on the body than open surgery as the pain from a big wound at the ribs/lungs will affect breathing and has high risk of post operative infection or being dependant on the machine for breathing.
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michykdrama
July 15, 2016 at 10:26 PM
Regarding his other disease:
FIPA is essentially a acronym for a genetically inherited disease that is characterized by formation of a tumor in the pituitary gland.
The pituitary gland is found in the brain, sitting on top off the nerves that supply the eyes (optic nerves), and it produces many different hormones for body functions.
If there are tumours in the pituitary, it can cause the hormones made there to be overproduced or under produced. Also, by just growing in size, it can press on structures around the pituitary, like the optic nerves and cause loss of vision (like in Director K's case- it's classically a loss of peripheral vision- or bitemporal hemianopia).
So the symptoms of the tumor are dependant or which hormones are over or under produced or if it pressed on the surround structures like the optic nerves.
Based on the location of the pituitary, it is easiest assessed by going up the nose thru to remove it. Surgeons use a small camera to visualize up the nose and operate. That's why the surgery has no visible wound, but they put the bandage on the nostrils as it can bleed and stuff will come out through there.
It's easier to explain Director K's symptoms-
The hormone affected for him is prolactin- in females it stimulates breast milk production. But for him over production leads to low testosterone, low libido and infertility. I think this is why the show said he was "turning into a female". This is NOT strictly true, since he still has all of his "boy parts" and he won't suddenly gain a uterus or ovaries ? Perhaps his breast size may have increased but I'm not very sure about that. Hehe.
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michykdrama
July 15, 2016 at 10:32 PM
Sorry I meant to say the optic nerves are ABOVE the pituitary and not below. The pituitary sits below the optic nerves and if it enlarges due to tumor, will press on the optic nerves that are above.
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Prettysup
July 16, 2016 at 8:28 AM
Thanks for the in depth explanation. I shared it in the soompi forum's BM thread, credit to your username and DB, hope it's alright.
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michykdrama
July 16, 2016 at 2:07 AM
I did try to ask my husband about Chairman K's symptoms and all I got was a weird look from him as he asked me why I was trying to make sense of a K drama. Lol! He was listening up to the point when I said FIPA and then he said a lot of jargon that didn't help explain much and then told me not to waste my time any more. ?
So you guys have it on fairly good authority that the part on Chairman K's recurrent collapses is fairly unexplainable by non Kdrama medicine. Haha!
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michykdrama
July 15, 2016 at 10:52 PM
Regarding Chairman K's pituitary tumor symptoms-
This is much harder to explain. To be honest a lot of it seems to be over dramatized and not fully explainable by real medicine. ? There isn't enough information to give a proper guess... or rather so far my guesses don't make much sense.
Sorry for the very long ramble!! I hope it was useful to some people.
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Arhazivory
July 15, 2016 at 11:24 PM
Read and appreciated. Thanks~
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nAEE
July 16, 2016 at 4:33 AM
Thank you so much!! I do understand your explanation & i can understand the scenes based on it.
Is FIPA deadly though? I remember that the chairman experienced insulin shock before his first tumor surgery . Was it cause by the lung tumour or FIPA?
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michykdrama
July 16, 2016 at 7:20 AM
Haha. You guys know how to ask seemingly simple questions that are very hard to explain ?
Simple answer first, yes a pituitary tumor can be deadly.
Now the hard part. I'm sorry this is going to be boring and long!!
Insulin shock is also called hypoglycemia and means low blood sugar levels.
It's hard to answer your question with certainty, but I'd say it's probably more likely the lung cancer.
It's rare but some tumors can produce hormones that can cause blood sugar to repeatedly drop. I didn't mention this earlier though because ACTH (which we know was high in the Chairman) causes the stress hormone cortisol to be produced by the adrenal glands, which causes blood sugar levels to go up. So it makes no sense that he would get insulin shock if his ACTH is high. But it could be that the tumor is also producing the other hormone as well I suppose and maybe the effects outweighed the ones caused by ACTH. But this is trying to force the medicine to fit the drama. ?
Theoretically, his initial weakness and "collapse" could be due to low blood potassium levels due to high levels of ACTH (the reason for that is too complicated to explain) but that wouldn't cause him to go unconscious. Also, that would have definitely come up in the blood tests that they did.
The only other thing I could think of to explain his collapse plus low sugar that was related to his pituitary tumor was pituitary apoplexy, where there is a sudden bleed into the pituitary tumor or infarction (meaning blood supply gets cut off and the cells die). This can affect your mental state and because the pituitary can't produce any more hormones it can cause low blood sugar. However, it would definitely have come up on the MRI brain and it would also be associated with low blood pressure.
Lol. I've not used my brain this much in a LONG time. And over a Kdrama! Lol. I could be wrong and there is some super smart single diagnosis for the Chairman's symptoms but I'm no Geeenius Doctor so that's all I can come up with. Haha. And the human body is a wonderfully complicated thing so sometimes anything can happen.
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junny
July 16, 2016 at 4:53 AM
Thank you so much, Michykdrama! Appreciate your explanation, things made more sense after reading it. LOL at your husband's reaction. I'm also glad that at least the surgery scene was realistic, yay for attention to accuracy.
How did you like the episode and Young-oh's not-a-flirting? Hehe.
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michykdrama
July 16, 2016 at 7:58 AM
Haha no problem at all, it was interesting using my brain for a change, even if my husband did LOL and do a double take at me because I was watching the episode and taking notes at the same time. (yeah I'm a geek that way) ?
I liked the episode! Agree with many people that YO is such a cute dork when he is trying to flirt. Lol. I'm definitely feeling the friendship between YO and JS and looking forward to seeing how it progresses.
Also hoping Min Jae doesn't come across at being the vindictive ex, because it seems a bit too different from her earlier personality.
Waiting to see what happens next week. If there is medical stuff I'll try to keep my explanations shorter and less rambling next time ?
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junny
July 16, 2016 at 3:36 PM
Haha, that's so cute that you're taking notes. Is your husband also watching this drama? I've always wondered what cops, lawyers and doctors especially think of their professions as portrayed in dramas, since these seem to be most popular. Even as a layman, I've rolled my eyes at some of the stuff done in BM and other dramas.
I do wonder about Min-jae's role from now on. I rewatched episode 4 and was amazed to realise she and Young-oh had been together for 10 years - how do you just turn on a person you've been with for that long? Granted, half of it was spent studying him like a guinea pig, but still, I'm sure he did care for her in his own way. Sigh.
TM
July 17, 2016 at 9:27 AM
Thank you so much Michykdrama! I understand things so much better now. I guess that whole "turning into a woman" thing shocked me a bit. I may sound naive but I really imagined him becoming a woman... It makes so much sense now.
kw02
July 17, 2016 at 5:39 AM
Thanks for the explanation =)
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Peppa
July 16, 2016 at 9:08 AM
Was it just me when I read "This is called a paraneoplastic syndrome.", I was like...Dr. House! Hahaha
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25 bips99
July 15, 2016 at 10:24 PM
Awww .... look at you trying to flirt. So freaking adorable!
He FEELS ... Not bec of JS miraculous love cure but i think he is like an advanced version of Jung (CITT) or probably the psychopath in "bad guys" ... He was i believe just a shade below a true psychopath.
YO does feel. he feels anger, longing , resentment, loneliness, attraction etc etc .... But i guess he feels it very selectively or when pushed into extreme situations
So i think he was misdiagnosed. I doesn't feel like normal people. His heart doesn't bleed looking at lost puppies but he does feel
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TM
July 17, 2016 at 9:37 AM
They did say in this episode that he lacked empathy. But it doesn't mean that he can't feel right? Or maybe he feels less than other "normal" people? Or maybe he's just not sensitive? In one episode they showed him at the movies and people were crying except for him. To me it just explains how he has less sensitivity than others (to be honest I don't cry at the movies either so I did not find this scene to really explain his situation).
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26 Arawn
July 15, 2016 at 10:46 PM
I'm still perplexed by this drama. Thing is, I don't think it's very good. Especially writing, directing and editing are just... mess. A big mess. I think the biggest problem with the writing is it's heavy handedness. Writer doesn't seem to believe audience will get the story and characters unless everything is shoved onto our faces in the most dramatic and obvious way possible. Like Jin-sung's idiotic antics in the beginning. You could have toned down that a LOT and still explore a situation where a cop goes overboard and fails to understand ethics and how her actions are actually destroying the case. But no. Jin-sung had to do it SO wholeheartedly that she seemed like and idiot instead of a person on a wrong track.
Same goes with the previous episode. I get the idea, that YO was badly shaken, that he didn't believe in himself anymore (although drama did not lay ANY ground to that revelation what so ever), that he was shipped to this small village to rediscover his abilities and so on. But everything was so underlined in every turn.
I kinda feel like this drama thinks I'm stupid. :D
And yet I do enjoy the drama. I really like Jin-sung now that she isn't running around blaming whomever with the flimsiest evidence ever (although WHY no one in dramas EVER copies memory sticks? WHY???).* And I really like Young-oh who so obviously has a whole bucket of emotions that run extremely deep. I mean, come on, look at the guy. It's just that he cannot empathise with others, which is a real sign of sociopathy unlike "noo, he has no emotions". Sociopaths are not emotionless robots like this drama tries to tell us even if it spectacularly fails to show us the very same thing. It's almost funny. :D
*I have to say Jin-sung suffered a major character fail in the previous episode. When she dives to save the disabled lady, first she agrees on a bet with Young-oh. And then, when he asks why she saved the lady, she brings up the bet again basically saying she saved her to show Young-oh how things are. Not because, you know, a human being is worth of saving just on her own.
Honestly, Jin-sung as being characterised from the beginning, would never think like this. And I do not think she would even say that because it still sends a wrong message to Young-oh, that other people like to play his games, too, instead of just doing good stuff because they do good stuff.
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junny
July 16, 2016 at 5:06 AM
I think it was still in keeping with Jin-sung's character to save the DIL. The bet was just one way of getting to Young-oh, but even without, she'd have jumped in regardless. She could never have appealed to Young-oh based on pure emotion or do-gooder instincts - both she and Suk-joo tried and failed - but by getting him into a situation where it's a clear-cut win or lose, he is able to logically work through whether it is worth his getting involved. This kind of harks back to episode 1 where she'd witnessed Young-oh telling Suk-joo that he operated on the patient because he wanted to see Suk-joo's misery at the end when it turned out to be a table death like Young-oh predicted - it'd been like a bet or game, and Young-oh had won. I see this as a similar situation, only that in the latter case with Jin-sung, Young-oh learnt something beyond the surface of a bet.
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27 Runa93
July 15, 2016 at 10:52 PM
YO is like a schoolboy with a crush. Totally did not expect that but now that I've seen it, I adore it. Considering none of them have much experience with love, this relationship is going to be so much fun to watch. XD
I'm not too surprised by Suk Joo's actions because he's always given off the vibes as the guy who'll do stuff for the greater good, as such (a difficult position to be, definitely). I definitely think this will lead to greater conflict down the line, though I hope it doesn't mean a tragic end for him. I do like him, he's very sweet.
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28 Vice59
July 15, 2016 at 10:53 PM
Hahaha. Omg this drama is getting better after each episode, poor ji sung her trust get broken by the person she trust most sign ????. can't wait for episode 9
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29 gerry13
July 15, 2016 at 11:13 PM
I love KMJ - her character is more interesting and she is the smart career woman fighting prejudice and discrimination in the work place. Hope to see more development of her character. Park se young is so pretty and doing such a great job in acting as a villain.
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30 cinnamon
July 16, 2016 at 12:30 AM
Thanks for the recap, murasakimi. It's my favorite episode so far.
Young Oh, you tells her that your illegal u-turn is not to get her attention. Come on. It's YOU who do think of getting her attention. Lol.
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31 hallyumint
July 16, 2016 at 2:09 AM
Im sure youve all noticed one of the main themes running this episode and overall series is
(a) Father and Son Relationships
It was always in the baground but this episode brought it to the forefront. Where we have not just one but 3 rotten fathers and their afteraffects on their sons development
(1) Sukjoo & his father
(2) Dr Lee & Young-oh
(3) Chairman & Director Kang
Whats interesting to note is that the mother's are spared in this drama. Or rather they are noticeably absent in the three relationships mentioned above with the exception of sukjoo mom.
One positive relationship we do have Jinsung and her mom
Who is warm and caring having a positive on Jinsung. Tellingly father is absent.
Which begs the question whats with the shows Daddy issues???
Forgive me for saying this but is this coming from the writer's own personal experience or is it a conscious part of the drama to show fathers in a poor light and highlight mothers warmth and caring attitude. This extends even to the mother in law.
(b) The other theme this episode was Young - oh wicked sense of humour.
Man that guy is good ! Be it his boyish playfulness with Jinsung his interaction with director Kang ( You forget Im a psychopath! Oh lets take a selfie we look like brothers !)
or his offering a handshake in response to KMJ acidic dialogue.
Young-oh ! Young-oh ! Are you sure you're a psychopath !!!
You dont lack in humor !
He is truly a delight and I hope the show gets to explore more of this side of him.
(c) His bonding with Jin sung which I agree with the recapper is getting stronger with small moments rather than forced with huge plot twists !
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Prettysup
July 16, 2016 at 8:36 AM
Haha after reading your comment I got to go rewatch the selfie part, it's so cute
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32 NaijaNoona
July 16, 2016 at 6:34 AM
The inclusion of "Gender Trouble" was an interesting touch. It's not a medical essay, it's a book by queer feminist philosopher Judith Butler and an influential text on the idea that sex and gender are constructed and social performances, not simple biological realities. The writer definitely did some research on the topic of sex/gender noncomformity from a social and not just medical perspective. It also gives more depth to what Director Kang was going through physically and how he was processing it—was he trying to come to terms with "becoming a woman" (a strange description of what was happening, but maybe characteristic Young Oh dramatics to get what he wanted)?
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33 Jat
July 17, 2016 at 9:54 PM
While waiting for the next episode, I read many information on psychopath.. And I didn't really like what I found..they are incurable and incapable of feeling one true love.Would YO gonna be like that?
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34 Ferry
July 18, 2016 at 10:37 AM
When Yo wanted to shake Mj ,s hand was very meaningful .don't u think?
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