Six Flying Dragons: Episode 39
by HeadsNo2
The debatably best swordsman for miles around is made to choose sides this hour, as is everyone else—there’s no more time for our previously sidelined characters to waffle around in indecision. Except for our lone female dragon who gets a reprieve to waffle just a little bit longer, though something tells me it won’t be for long. She and Moo-hyul are proving to be the biggest holdouts, what with the one having a moral crisis and the other… well, Boon-yi will be Boon-yi.
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EPISODE 39 RECAP
According to Jung Do-jeon, he needs King Taejo to give him full military power and authority in order to protect Bang-seok. Because he’s the youngest of Taejo’s sons, he knows older sons like Bang-won and Bang-gwa will revolt—and for that, he needs the power to fight them off. Taejo gives it to him.
Erstwhile, with Bang-won, Yeon-hyang assures him that Nameless couldn’t have moved King Taejo toward picking Bang-seok for Crown Prince if he wasn’t already leaning toward the idea, which only makes Bang-won even more disappointed in his father.
Bang-won’s obvious question, then, is how Nameless survived for over seven hundred years if they started in Silla with the man who lost to Bidam. She claims that Nameless appealed to Kim Choon-chu (better known as King Taejong Muyeol, the 29th king of Silla), who needed them as an intelligence group for his later act of unifying the Three Kingdoms.
But when his son, Kim Beop-min (King Munmu, the first to rule over Unified Silla), wanted them out, they went into hiding. She claims they didn’t fight back because they don’t pick battles they can’t win—and besides, the country had been stabilized, which is all they really want. Once this new Joseon is stable, she adds, they’ll go back into hiding again.
Escorting Bang-won out, Moo-hyul asks if he’s really joining forces with Nameless, considering that they used to be enemies. I love that Young-kyu’s all, “Just ignore him, he’s been plagued by his conscience lately.” All Bang-won says is that he’ll hold Nameless’ hand until he doesn’t have/need to anymore.
Sensing a presence nearby, Young-kyu and Moo-hyul track down a female spy who’s very clearly from Hwasadan. She won’t spill on whether it was Yeon-hee or Jung Do-jeon who sent her, or how much she heard—which is a shame, because if she had heard anything, Bang-won would have to kill her.
In a spark of evil genius, Bang-won tells her the damning intel that he met with someone from Nameless at Biguk Temple so that no one can claim she didn’t hear it. Which now means she has to die. You’re up, Moo-hyul!
Conflicted, Moo-hyul asks if he really has to kill her. Bang-won asks him what he thinks their options are, since they can’t very well send her away with a warning. He leaves Moo-hyul to figure it out and make his own decision, which he can’t bring himself to do even with Young-kyu urging him on.
When he still can’t do it, Young-kyu lets out a sigh and ends her life himself. At least he’s nice enough to tell Bang-won that it was Moo-hyul who did it.
King Taejo turns heads at the next court assembly when he not only appoints Bang-seok to be the next Crown Prince, but also appoints Jung Do-jeon as Sejasa, the person responsible for the Crown Prince’s education.
Furthermore, he has Jung Do-jeon name all the contributors who helped him found their new nation, and has notices posted in the market for the people to read. Bang-won and Da-kyung go to see it, and are suitably appalled that his name is not on the list. A nearby Shin-jeok (there you are!) agrees that it’s a glaring omission.
While Jung Do-jeon gives out official appointments as is his new right to do (Moo-hyul gets promoted to a sixth-rank junior officer, so he finally gets a real title), Bang-won’s family becomes concerned about his snub as a contributor to the new dynasty.
What’s worse is that Young-kyu was given an official post because of his contributions, which means that Bang-won was ignored on purpose. Young-kyu finds his and Moo-hyul’s new appointments suspicious, but Moo-hyul’s just happy to bask in the glow of accomplishment.
Yeon-hee urgs Jung Do-jeon to send Boon-yi back to her hometown, arguing that she’s using her contacts as spies for Bang-won. Bang-ji, who’s staunchly rejected offers to take up a government post, hears the tail-end of their conversation and asks the obvious: If they want to lessen Bang-won’s power, what does that mean for Boon-yi?
Bang-ji would rather have peace within their group, until Yeon-hee tells him that’s impossible now—with Bang-seok becoming Crown Prince, Bang-won is now officially a threat to their cause. She doesn’t have a real answer when Bang-ji asks what Bang-won did wrong, only that if he has ulterior motives, he’ll become their enemy.
In order to avoid that, Yeon-hee wants to send Boon-yi back to her hometown. As for her, she claims she still has much to do here, and she’d appreciate Bang-ji’s help.
Gab-boon, Master Hong, and Bang-won almost pee their pants holding in their laughter when they see Moo-hyul wearing his brand new gwanbok, or official robe, because he looks like a giant in a dress.
Grandma is so happy to see him in the gwanbok that she runs off crying, unable to contain herself. After catching up to her and soothing her, Moo-hyul thinks back to some of the deeds he’s done under Bang-won’s command, perhaps because now, with an official post not given by him, he doesn’t have to follow his every whim.
While Yeon-hee finds the spy Bang-won had killed, along with a hastily written Hanja symbol in the dirt to mean “Nameless,” Bang-won tells Young-kyu and Moo-hyul that they were given official posts by Jung Do-jeon in an effort to separate them from him.
Second son Bang-gwa and fourth son Bang-gan pay Bang-won a visit, neither of them happy about their littlest brother becoming Crown Prince. Though it would’ve made the most sense for Bang-gwa to take the title after the eldest son bowed out, it’s because he has so much blood on his hands from following his father in battle that he didn’t.
Bang-ji offers moral support for his sister when she meets with Yeon-hee, who wants her to pick a side—the right side, of course. She tells her about the dead spy writing “Nameless” and Bang-won’s meeting with his two brothers, all but daring her to come up with a defense.
She does, even when Yeon-hee claims that the king and Jung Do-jeon already made their decision to give no prince but the Crown Prince any sort of power, by adding that Bang-won was the one who helped make their plan a reality. He wanted this, and since he worked so hard for it, is it right for someone so remarkable to do nothing?
“Why are you speaking from Bang-won’s perspective?” Yeon-hee asks. “You’re part of the people. You’re a citizen.” When asked what she wants Boon-yi to do, Yeon-hee answers that she should take the land Jung Do-jeon is willing to give her, and leave her people to be taken over by either Hwasadan or the state tribunal.
Boon-yi asks what that means for Yeon-hee and Bang-ji, clearly referring to a possible future for them together. Yeon-hee: “I still have matters to attend to. You should think about yourself and live for your own happiness now. Don’t let yourself be a pawn in this political war.”
So, Boon-yi asks what Bang-ji thinks she should do. He looks as though he’s literally in pain when he grits out, “I really don’t know, whether how much of all we’re doing is for us or for the sake of the world. I don’t know at all.” Regardless, he agrees to remain with Jung Do-jeon, though he has a condition we don’t hear.
Jung Do-jeon attempts to smooth matters over with Jo Joon, who claims that there’s no hard feelings with the new crown prince appointment—his only concern now is what they’ll do with the rest of Bang-seok’s older and angrier brothers.
They’re at a point in their fledgling country where their king can show no weakness, so they have to make sure to protect the royal family. In order to do so, he proposes that they show no mercy to any last Goryeo holdouts, especially when it comes to the previous royal family.
Speaking of, we check in with Sa-kwang to find her completely content in exile with former King Gongyang. We then check in with Nameless as they discuss how to prepare for the strife to come between Jung Do-jeon and Bang-won. They’re also pressed about the arriving Hwado Gaekbang, which is not some guy as I initially thought, but an intelligence network they’re calling back from the edges of the country.
Boon-yi pays a visit to a very nervous Bang-won, who both wants to hear which side she’s chosen and doesn’t for fear that it’s not him. He gets his answer when Boon-yi mentions that he’s already accomplished great things for this nation, so theoretically, could he not just… live in comfort without her?
Bang-won instantly rises to his feet. “You, of all people… what did you say? What do you want me to do? You said you were on my side and that you will be on my side. You’re someone who went as far as to slap me and say that we should do something while we still live. But… I’m this alive and you tell me to do nothing? You, Boon-yi, of all people!”
Then, after a moment, he adds that it isn’t like he can take responsibility for her (aka marry her), but if she chooses Jung Do-jeon and they have no choice but to draw swords at each other, he’ll have no choice but to cut her down. “You know that, don’t you?”
With tears slowly brimming in her eyes, Boon-yi nods that yes, she knows he’s that kind of person. “It sounds to my ears that you will kill me if I do not choose you,” Boon-yi wonders, only for Bang-won to all but burst when he says, “Does it not sound like I’m begging you to choose me? Does it not sound to you that I desperately want you?”
This emotionally charged moment is interrupted by Da-kyung, who’s overheard everything. “Get married,” she orders the two of them—or more precisely, she orders her husband to take Boon-yi as a concubine. If there’s jealousy within her, we don’t see it, since she’s doing what she thinks will be most helpful to her husband.
And right now, he can’t afford to lose Boon-yi’s contacts to Jung Do-jeon. She sees Boon-yi becoming a concubine as a way to team up for the good of Bang-won, which is very benevolent of her. Boon-yi’s so caught off-guard that she asks for some time to consider. Until then, she and her group will operate as they have in the past.
Da-kyung all but kills her husband herself when he asks if she’s jealous, seeing as she’s just trying to make sure they survive. “At a time like this when you need all the help you can get, I would even give you one hundred concubines!” She’s more concerned with Jung Do-jeon’s impending attack, and how they can best defend themselves.
Unfortunately for them, Jung Do-jeon is being purposefully unpredictable by having the king send him to the Northern border where he can fortify the nation’s defense. This screams of an alternate plan, since the Northern region doesn’t need his services so urgently.
This move stumps Nameless, so they send Jukryong to ask Bang-won what he thinks Jung Do-jeon is planning. Only Yeon-hee seems to know, since she informs Jung Do-jeon that a meeting has been successfully arranged with merchants from Mansang, which requires him to pretend he owns a merchant group of his own.
Nameless doesn’t know the owner of Saryung Merchants is Jung Do-jeon, but they believe it’s a real group of merchants and want to meet with him right away. Yooksan will be heading the meeting.
Even though Boon-yi’s thinking of leaving her group of contacts in that one friendly ajusshi’s hands, Da-kyung calls upon her to use those contacts to follow Jung Do-jeon.
Specifically, she wants her to discern what’s going on between all these merchant groups getting named, since Yeon-hee’s discovered records of Hwado Gaekbang dating back to the Silla Dynasty. Even Bang-won knows that Jung Do-jeon is trying to find where and how Nameless began by pouring through historical records, but why?
Though Boon-yi’s initially reluctant to carry out Da-kyung’s request, she’s left without much of a choice. She’s just as reluctant to send their youngest member, Seon-dol, who we know has just been introduced in order to be mercilessly killed soon.
Dressed as the head of an affluent merchant group (silk robes at last!), Jung Do-jeon goes to where the Mansang Merchants operate out of for a meeting. Seon-dol follows, writing everything down in order to make a proper report.
He’s led across the border, where he goes into a lavish tent attended by a Jurchen man dressed in furs. The Amazon from Hwasadan acts as a translator for their deal, which isn’t for silks and other luxuries like the Jurchen chief thinks.
What Jung Do-jeon has to offer is land, specifically land north of Simyang (now North Korea). At first the chief doesn’t buy it, but after a brief altercation, he calls his guards off and hears Jung Do-jeon out. He even recognizes him by name when Jung Do-jeon introduces himself by all his many, many titles and says that the king has given him full authority over Joseon’s land.
The chief is much more willing to do business with him after that, especially because he respects King Taejo so much. The deal done, Jung Do-jeon says he just has eleven more Jurchen chiefs to meet and deal with in the same way. He’s got more alliances to secure.
Back at Mansang Merchants, Jung Do-jeon and Bang-ji are herded into a room to wait for someone who wants to meet with them. While there, he takes notice of a piece of calligraphy on the wall, which bears a curious red seal.
The same red seal that produced it is on the table, and Jung Do-jeon orders Bang-ji to cut it in half with his sword. He does, and Jung stamps the one half down, before rotating the other to stamp right on top of it.
There, the two pieces create one seal: The Red Seal of Nameless, which is also inscribed on Bang-ji’s sword. No sooner does Jung Do-jeon make this realization does he have to hide it upon hearing steps outside—it’s Yooksan, who immediately recognizes Jung Do-jeon for who he is.
Likewise, Jung Do-jeon wonders if Yooksan is from Nameless, all the while keeping a congenial smile on his face.
COMMENTS
It’s been far too long since we’ve seen Jung Do-jeon even slightly vulnerable, so this final scene oddly feels like a breath of fresh air when it comes to him. Even if he may not stay in this position long since he’s so rarely surprised, it means all the more because he is normally so on top of things. And because he is, we start to miss out on seeing him as a human being, when that’s really the best part.
Even the scheming alone would be fine if there was some emotion behind it, but Jung Do-jeon’s job requirement seems to be that he remain stoic at all times, or else. He’s made it too easy to see him as “other” and “wrong” when compared to Bang-won, so hopefully this episode marks a move back toward portraying more of the man behind Jung Do-jeon, rather than just the personality they may have gleaned from his historical records. As for me, I couldn’t be more excited for him to finally face off against Nameless directly, so, bring that on.
I wish I could be more on board with Boon-yi’s internal struggle though, but for some reason that’s becoming more and more difficult as of late. I wouldn’t be able to tell you exactly why that is, since it’s not like she’s been giving winning dialogue only to waste it, it’s just that something’s not clicking. Maybe it’s hard when you have an actor like Yoo Ah-in emoting so heavily in your direction, but rather than come off as conflicted, Boon-yi’s coming off sort of detached, isn’t she?
Then again, everyone deals with their emotions differently, and Boon-yi may be cut from the same cloth as Jung Do-jeon when it comes to internalizing her problems. Even if not for her sake, I wish she’d stay with Bang-won for his sake, since he does seem to care so deeply about her. And because he seems like he’d just give it all up were Boon-yi to leave him.
That being said, I’m more than happy that Da-kyung’s finally being given more to do, since her character has spunk, dignity, and a sharp intellect. She knows she’d go down with the Bang-won ship, so her only recourse is to make sure that ship doesn’t go down, by any means possible. Though I do wonder if they referenced a bit of history when she said she’d let him have a hundred concubines if it would help him, because as king, he would go on to collect all the concubines. Literally all of them.
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1 Erber
February 16, 2016 at 6:49 PM
Thanks for the recap!
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 7:59 PM
Boonyi has no expression and Bangwon has all the expressions
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2 berries
February 16, 2016 at 6:50 PM
“Does it not sound like I’m begging you to choose me? Does it not sound to you that I desperately want you?”
intrigued by the ambiguity in this sentence. wanting boonyi v.s. wanting boonyi's organisation. we can never know what's on the writers' mind when they crafted this..
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crazyahjummafan
February 16, 2016 at 11:09 PM
Oh, it's not ambiguous to me. Bang-won wants Boon-yi. that's just his way of saying 'I love you'. :)
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Kaylie
February 16, 2016 at 11:46 PM
No, this was a very clear expression of love from Bang-won, in his own unique way. Remember how Boon-yi told Bang-won she doesn't like him, she loves him? Bang-won and Boon-yi have their own way of expressing their love for each other, and I think that's why they are so endearing together.
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 2:51 AM
Yeah, I remember that conversation. It went something like this:
BW: I love you. (Finger jabbing in the air at her for emphasis) I know you like me.
BY: Ok. I love you.
BW: You want to die?
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Kaylie
February 17, 2016 at 5:10 AM
Yes! And don't forget, the only woman who bit Bang-won twice haha.
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hibeautiful
February 17, 2016 at 9:40 AM
Yass.
That scene/dialogue is the most memorable one among other ones in different kdramas.
(Glad that I found another BY-BW supporter)
3 Mag Mag
February 16, 2016 at 7:10 PM
Thanks for the recaps, I can't believe we are this far into the drama, almost at the 40 mark!
I don't know who's side to be on either ... I have no previous knowledge of the history but this show is so entertaining to watch without those background knowledge.
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Mari
February 16, 2016 at 11:53 PM
Agreed. I'm tired of "historical" arguments. I love enjoying this show which is produced from the writers' point of view, without thinking about the biggest spoilers on the story aka history.
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4 Sun
February 16, 2016 at 7:11 PM
I thought what Jo Joon meant during his meeting with JDJ was to kill all of the exiled Goryeo royals in case they want to take over the country again, not LSG's sons.
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wonhwa
February 16, 2016 at 7:29 PM
That was my sense of the exchange as well, especially since there was a very real threat of a neo-Goryo revival as long as any members of Wang family were alive.
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HeadsNo2
February 16, 2016 at 7:29 PM
You thought exactly right. I don't know WHAT I was thinking, no wonder I was confused during that convo. It's fixed now. Sawwry!
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Sun
February 17, 2016 at 1:33 AM
No worries! Everyone make mistakes. Thanks for your hard work!
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5 magnolia
February 16, 2016 at 7:26 PM
ouch...i might get slap coz saying this..SSK..come on! give us your best!
that should be your moment to shine...
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6 JanuaryBlues
February 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM
If Boon Yi really leave him, i think it would make Bang Won more determined and ruthless.
By snubbing Bang Won, Jung Do Jeon gave him a legitimate reason to revolt later on whilst we the viewers already know that Bang Won has had that intention even before he was snubbed. The writers are geniuses. I dont even feel that the story being rushed to this point, it all just felt naturally progressing.
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 3:03 AM
Yup. I think Boon-yi leaving Bang-won or dying (I have a feeling she'll die), will just turn him into a ruthless monster. Sob! Sob!
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7 Cheliwel
February 16, 2016 at 7:39 PM
Bang Ji obviously has strong feelings for Yeon Hee but I'm not really sure about Yeon Hee. In this episode, she ask BJ to stay but is it because she wants him to stay for her or more for the cause and to protect them?
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Lisa Purba
February 16, 2016 at 9:51 PM
From the first time they met, I never thought that YH really loved BJ as much as BJ. It's always BJ who works hard to fix their relationship IMO.
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Yeri
February 16, 2016 at 11:14 PM
In Tree YH is JDJ's woman,f they follow that then its a one sided love,plus I dont care about YH after what she was told to BY he only wants BJ to protect them! Slashed them Ddang sae..
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Laura
February 17, 2016 at 6:28 AM
And I recall Yoon Hee asked JDJ's permission to kill LBW in prison.
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crazyahjummafan
February 16, 2016 at 11:12 PM
I doubt if she feels much for Bang-ji. Poor man! I feel as if she is using him. She's pretty ruthless and single-minded in what she wants too - remember when Bang -won was in prison? She told JDJ to get rid of him.
Poor Bang-ji. All he wanted was peace in the nation and for the baddies to die. Wonder if he regrets getting involved.
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cheliwel
February 17, 2016 at 5:47 AM
That's what I got from today. I had some hope for them that they would be able to work things out. BY till the end still wants her brother and YH to work things out and go back home together. BJ and MY are so simple minded that it's makes me sad for them. Kinda sad that BJ would allow BY to go back home without him. He obviously stayed because of YH's manipulation.
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Laura
February 17, 2016 at 6:32 AM
That's why from the beginning I don't really care much about Bangji - Yoon Hee's love story. Bang Ji still sees YH as the same person, while YH has changed. She has told him that she has changed, but he is so stubborn. Move on, Bangji!
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Kaylie
February 16, 2016 at 11:59 PM
Yeon-hee is getting so selfish and self-righteous that I really can't stand her now. Same for JDJ. No wonder they got together. Match made in heaven.
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 3:04 AM
You took the words right out of my mouth!
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Jeanie
February 17, 2016 at 10:31 PM
Haha, same thoughts!
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8 Smile134
February 16, 2016 at 7:54 PM
I have the same thought about Boon-yi, or to be more precise, about SSK's portrayal of Boon-yi. She was spunky and fierce in the earlier episodes, but as of lately, I could not read the emotions in the acting. It feels like she just wanders ariund the set, read the lines without emoting. It's such a waste because I think even though Boon-yi just had a few lines the last few episodes, they could still make her character shine.
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nomad
February 16, 2016 at 10:10 PM
Agreed! SSK, please get back to your awesome first several episodes! You can do eeet!!
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Yeri
February 16, 2016 at 10:44 PM
*wave here* same thought about SSK, I too was soo disappointed,its alarming,I began following her bcs she's BY "the feirceless BY" that I admired but Uttoke??,how I wish that she can fix that matter.I read some negative feedbacks about her acting this past episodes,the sad thing is I cant say nothing from her bashers bcs Im not blind and naive.It's a shamed bcs I noticed that too.I thought after she read those malicious comments oneline she will lift her self up but got me wrong again!
Bring BoonYi to life SSK.
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crazyahjummafan
February 16, 2016 at 11:14 PM
I think she may be tired form the long hours of filming. So can't emote so well?
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9 Saya22
February 16, 2016 at 8:26 PM
Is it bad that I just want BW to kill everyone! I'm feed up with the king and JDJ! Someone give Yoo Ah In and Oscar please!
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Lisa Purba
February 16, 2016 at 9:47 PM
I think Dakyung gave the best option for BW and BY, though I don't think BY would agree with marrying BW. Dakyung asking Boon Yi to tail on JDJ without Bang Won knowing it, that's a no no. I have a hunch that boy is gonna die.
Bang Won mentioned uncle Lee Ji Ran as the other weird person in the official garbs had me grin from ear to ear coz that's so true! :D
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Lisa Purba
February 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM
Ooop sorry! I meant to make a new comment but I hit the reply button.
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hibeautiful
February 17, 2016 at 8:24 AM
That scene was so funny and heartwarming! I love seeing him and others to laugh freely like there's nothing to worry about.
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Ek Ladhki Thi is Kim Eun-sooks no 1 fan
February 17, 2016 at 12:20 PM
That scene made me cry because it's been such a long time since Bang-won laughed like that. And I'm so torn between wanting Boon-yi to become a concubine so she and Bang-won can finally be together and not wanting her to be one because I'm starting to like Lady Min and I don't want her to become a woman consumed with jealousy, not because of Boon-yi at least. I cried a lot in that entire scene between Bang-won, Boon-yi and Lady Min. This drama is draining my feels, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
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nomad
February 17, 2016 at 12:52 PM
I think Lady Min is a very practical lady, I don't think she'll ever be a woman consumed with jealousy.
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Ek Ladhki Thi is Kim Eun-sooks no 1 fan
February 17, 2016 at 3:42 PM
She's practical but she's still a woman. I groaned when I saw the relationship chart and her arrow towards Boon-yi said jealousy. I have to admit, I immediately hated her when she was revealed to be the future queen from her chyron, I felt so cheated because how could you have Yoo Ah-in and Shin Se-kyung in a drama again and still keep them apart? That's two whole lifetimes apart. I'm not the biggest fan of GSY so it was easy not to like her at first. But she's smart, like a lot of women are in this drama and she gave birth to King Sejong so slowly my hate began to melt away. I don't know what to do with myself anymore, I wish third time would be a charm for this OTP. Please don't be like Shahrukh Khan and Aishwarya Rai where one always ends up dying when they act together. *deep sigh*
shirayukihime
March 3, 2016 at 5:33 PM
@ekladhki thi.. actually,in real life GSY is very smart woman..all the woman in six flying dragons are based on her...research more about her..she also appeared in we got married real tv show... it also said she passed the bar exam in south korea so she's preparing to enter the judicial research training institute in korea.. she's smart...and hardworking girl...korea is known for notorious in studying but she keep it up even though she's woman.. at the same time she's a trainee in s.m for 7 yrs..so that's very hard...
10 Lisa Purba
February 16, 2016 at 9:05 PM
Oh wow...after all those cute laughter, which is very rare, I feel bad for Moo Hyul :( I was happy that at least he got some title since that Dragon Title is not coming yet, but I really feel bad for him. Thank you, Heads. Love the last screencap!
Anyway, Idk what happened to SSK, but was she suppossed to look emotionless while YAI burst with all those emotions? It seems like she was beginning to look like a statue.
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Gehrel
February 16, 2016 at 9:42 PM
In my opinion, her "tired" acting works, in the sense that she's a representative of the people. To me, she embodies the waning hope of the people in getting what they want and fought so hard for. However, the ones who were supposed to bring that wish true, are warring against each other (Jeong Do Jeon vs. Yi Bang Won).
It makes sense in context, if each dragon represents the members of class society.
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CaroleMcDonnell
February 17, 2016 at 5:20 AM
OOh! Good points re Boon Yi!
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11 Saya22
February 16, 2016 at 9:27 PM
I hope Yoo Ah In wins best actor or something!
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NamNavi
February 16, 2016 at 10:36 PM
He already won Top Excellent Award at SBS Drama Award 2015 for his role in 6FD
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12 Xingii
February 16, 2016 at 10:31 PM
Oh my goodness, the cute laughing scene was AMAZING lol it's so nice to get a bit of humour back into the drama since things have been quite intense/uptight lately. Moohyul finally got new clothes, a hat !!!! & a title. Grandma crying almost made me cry awww the whole scene was just so sweet ;__; I think as viewers we feel like grandma, we're so proud of him and how far he's come. From chasing wild boars to getting a government post (even if its a cop out government post by Sambong)
I cant believe that SFD is so close to the end already. What a fun ride this has been.
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13 NamNavi
February 16, 2016 at 10:41 PM
I'm tired of Bang Won - Boon Yi relationship. Cut the crap with Boon Yi band start making babies with Lady Min! Lady Min should be one of the dragon and not some fictional character like Boon Yi
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kathy
February 17, 2016 at 3:38 PM
:) i'm with you there.
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 8:09 PM
I do wonder why they didn't make Queen Min a dagron
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14 crazyahjummafan
February 16, 2016 at 10:42 PM
Did LSG leave his brains behind in Hamju when he became king?
I can't understand how he can think that Bang seok will be able to lead a full life if he made him the Crown Prince.
I can't believe that he, who would always put family first; he, whom i respected so much for the way he brought his sons up to be loyal, faithful and in harmony with each other, can throw caution to the wind by doing so. The boys were remarkably close to each other and loyal to the family name. They were even on good terms with the second wife and treated her tiny sons well. I remember with warn feelings how Bangwoo placed his hands on one of their shoulders when they came to join LSG, and how Bangwon even knew that the littlest one needed a walnut remedy for his asthma.
How could he also not recognise his sons contributions to the cause? He fought along side him and for him...I'm just so disappointed with him, as BW is. He should have at least fought for his sons' rercognition. It's like JDJ had drugged him or something like that.
The reason for choosing Bang-seok is illogical and so contradicting. JDJ and him wanted Bang woo at first. So if Bangwoo refuses, the next choice should go to Bang Gwa. Their reason for not choosing him is that he is a man who has fought many battles???? Hello!!!! Isn't Bang woo a highly skilled swordsman? Didn't he too fight battles? \
I'm just too dumbfounded.
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Yeri
February 16, 2016 at 10:50 PM
Or maybe he lost his brain when he fell into the horse,lol
What he did is insulting BW's pride..
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crazyahjummafan
February 16, 2016 at 10:54 PM
Oh my goodness!!!! YES! That's it! His brains fell off when he fell off the horse too!
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Yeri
February 17, 2016 at 1:08 AM
Sorry for my grammar,:-)my english is so bad,,
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 3:06 AM
Please don't apologise! I hope you didn't think I was correcting you!
I liked your comment!
crazyahjummafan
February 16, 2016 at 10:53 PM
Sorry for raving and ranting...
They wanted Bang Seok as Crown prince cos he symbolises peace, not having fought before and they want a bloodless transition...but they know that by doing so, it will cause fiction, disunity and backlash for LSG's older boys...and blood will flow, especially since they deliberately snubbed Bang-won.
Both LSG and JDJ at this moment strike me as being very selfish and unappreciative leaders. They take what they want, and when they are finished with you, they cast you aside. Look at how poor Boon yi is treated.
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crazyahjummafan
February 16, 2016 at 11:17 PM
*from LSG's older boys
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dkaoru
February 16, 2016 at 11:03 PM
Even if he doens't want Bang Won to be the Crown Prince, he should have acknowledged his contributions + the other prince's contributions to the cause. It's like they just used Bang won and toss him aside.
And it's nonsense that it was because of Poen's assasination. Even if Bang Won did not kill Pouen, Jung Do Jeon has no intention to give any authority of power to any of Lee Seong Gye's sons.
I think Jung Do Jeon is just drunk with power and wants to eliminate anyone who doesn't follow his orders without questions. I mean dude you wanted land reform? Here is a guy who helped you so much and now you're just telling him to take a hike? and not so much as a thank you! GRRRRR
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mumie
February 16, 2016 at 11:45 PM
Agree. History or not, Yi Seong Gye's decision is illogical.
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nomad
February 17, 2016 at 12:55 PM
The reasoning behind BangWoo was because he was also known as a loyal man for Goryeo, so they thought it would be a nice way to reconciliate (spell?) to the mass. As well of course, that he was the oldest. I guess Bang Gwa wasn't known as a loyal subject to Goryeo? Who knows...
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 8:13 PM
Yes isn't it completely culturally wrong to have a younger son as your heir! They are practically begging for a civil war with the older sons and their supporters
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15 crazyahjummafan
February 16, 2016 at 10:46 PM
Jung Do Jeon...I'm disappointed in you too. What happened to your idea of not letting one man have too much power? Is it only applicable if it someone else and not yourself? Yeesh! Stop contradicting yourself!
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Yeri
February 16, 2016 at 10:55 PM
Honestly,I want to slap him,its like the idea and dreams is only his alibi! The power is his now even the king.
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dkaoru
February 16, 2016 at 10:59 PM
YES! am so glad someone said it.
All his rules doesn't seem to apply to him. And come on where is that damn land reform? All he does now is getting more power to himself.
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Y
February 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM
YESS. I am getting more and more annoyed at him as the episodes go along - he's not practicing what he preached!!
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16 Yeri
February 16, 2016 at 10:51 PM
Thanks heads for the recap..
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17 dkaoru
February 16, 2016 at 10:56 PM
Maybe this show has succeeded in brainwashing me to root for Bang won. I was so annoyed at Boon Yi for not taking Bang won's side immediately. Leaving aside the lovey personal feelings: what Jung Do Jeon/Yeon Hee asked her to do is basically retirement, whereas Bang Won is going to give her more things to do. Based on Boon Yi's previous actions, wouldn't she choose actions over in-actions?
Moo Hyul's conflict I can understand better. I think Moo Hyul will only get his Dragon title on the last episode. He's going to be the Dragon that's going to guard King Sejong!
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18 Nathan
February 16, 2016 at 11:09 PM
I want more Lady Min and less Boon Yi, is that too much to ask?
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Yeri
February 16, 2016 at 11:21 PM
BY is the main Lead while DK is next to her,so ther must be Less DK.
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Nathan
February 16, 2016 at 11:52 PM
It is such a petty then because I'm more interested to see the savvy Lady Min and her great & brave idea of starting a coup, she even hid private soldiers & weapons at her house.
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hibeautiful
February 17, 2016 at 8:35 AM
I think I read similar comments with yours in other sites as well. Nothing wrong being bias though, but, I'm just curious if there is a Lady Min's fanclub out there lol.
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Nathan
February 17, 2016 at 8:44 AM
I think we just more interested to real life event. Lady Min in history is far more interesting than what they show in this drama.
I'm a fan of Lady Min in real life. It's fascinating to read about her life.
PeepsLeAwesomePotato
February 17, 2016 at 9:36 AM
@Nathan: Where'd you read about her life? Let me know too!
fls
February 17, 2016 at 10:04 AM
@Nathan too bad that she isn't the main character in here. I'd like to see more interesting portrayal of her real life event too.
Nathan
February 17, 2016 at 5:16 PM
I read a book about King Taejong few years ago, not sure what the title of that book though.
For me, Lady Min got a really tragic relationship with Bang Won. They are not in love, I think their relationship was more about political. They are great political partner but not really great husband-wife...
shirayukihime
March 3, 2016 at 5:38 PM
i am fan of gsy in real life...i am proud of her.. she's the role model of all women esp. in korea maybe around the world..
ColourMeHaneul
February 18, 2016 at 10:04 PM
I like Lady Min actress she can act well with Yoo Ah In.
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19 Mari
February 16, 2016 at 11:48 PM
"Maybe it’s hard when you have an actor like Yoo Ah-in emoting so heavily in your direction, but rather than come off as conflicted, Boon-yi’s coming off sort of detached, isn’t she?" <----- My sentiment exactly. Even if BY is trying to emotionally detach from him, doesn't mean that she has to look numb all the time. That scene is when they are both being vulnerable.
I'm glad that at least there's a warm laughing scene in this episode! Master Hong elbowing Bang Won~ that's just so cute!
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noona ane
February 18, 2016 at 4:32 AM
Ive veen scrolling down the comments just to see if anyone would mention about Master Hong elbowing BW.
Thank you
I cried soon after too
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20 Kaylie
February 16, 2016 at 11:57 PM
Ever since I found out that JDJ and Yeon-hee would die, I thought I would be absolutely devastated about it. But surprisingly at this moment I feel no sympathy for the two of them.
It's irksome that JDJ (and Lee Seong-gye) used the elder sons for their cause and then tossed them aside now that they have secured a dynastic change. Jung Do-jeon, where is the check and balance that you promised for the new country? Now you've concentrated almost all the power in your own hands!
And Yeon-hee, what happened to you? Why are you emotionally blackmailing Bang-ji into staying loyal to JDJ, but not reciprocating his feelings for you? What are you using Bang-ji to persuade Boon-yi to leave? Why don't you realise that just as how you have aspirations to do something for this new fledgling country, Boon-yi may have her own aspirations as well? Who are you to decide that leaving is the best way out for her? You're getting so selfish and consumed by the greed for power!
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moony
February 17, 2016 at 2:55 AM
Thought I would be conflicted about the BW-JDJ infighting. Instead my sympathies are turning rather one-sided as poor, dark BW is increasingly isolated. Wonder how he will turn the tables in the drama as the battle currently looks very loop-sided (especially after watching ep 40).
Very uncomfortable seeing Mr check-and-balance prime minister hogging all the power while YSG looks toothless save for deciding who would be crown prince. Cruel of him to cast his older sons aside, without their contributions his "clean and pure" dynasty won't be in existence. And YH can save the self-righteous preaching, her primary concern is not BY and the villagers' welfare but to handicap BW.
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 3:08 AM
+10 000 and more!
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 8:28 PM
I completely agree
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21 Mari
February 17, 2016 at 12:03 AM
I wonder why on earth did JDJ gave Young Kyu the education minister post? I think it's more ridiculous than giving Muhyul a weapon guard-something-officer post :/
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noona ane
February 18, 2016 at 4:35 AM
"Can you even do calculations!?"
"OFC I CAN"
...."Calculations?"
And there Young Gyoo tries to high kick someone who is like 20+ cm higher than him
I died at that part
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22 magnolia
February 17, 2016 at 12:17 AM
Lady Min its time for you to shine. BY..shhhhh...BW n I share similar feeling toward you...we are frustrated! so take control Lady Min..if the writers do not give you a dragon title... i’ll give you a new title: the iron lady of joseon
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Gehrel
February 17, 2016 at 12:25 AM
Totally on board with Lady Min's new title. It does has a nice ring to it.
The Iron Lady of Joseon sounds way cooler, though.
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23 nara
February 17, 2016 at 1:09 AM
well since there is a war brought upon us by the recaper i have no choice but to pick a side and although i never criticized specific actors bf only characters as to not cause a conflict and only defended SSK i have NO choice since the recaper is bias which will cause a war i will also give MY analysis
first MDK\GSY although the character i like i have to admit the portrayal not so much
first we met MDK as a silly teenage girl "succeeding" in answering her father questions she was over exited with her success in answering which is in contrast to a very intelligent teenager who is used to be right all the time
ppl who are used to be right take it for granted and do not act like its their first time successfully answering a series of question they would be calm and very sure of themselves even patronizing
this is the characteristic of a gifted child that always been right and also what you see in immigrants families when the children "become" smarter than their parents in their adapting ability
there was of course no criticism of GYS acting although someone probably the director explained matters to her and we never saw that MDK ever again thankfully
the scene with BW - as we know from history LM was extremely smart as smart as BW if not smarter and yet in the scene with BW she didnt seem so smart just an average educated with decorum sort of lady she didnt register any understanding just surprised again not befitting an extremely smart person
a smart person would immediately acknowledge a good plan and not be surprised y it she should have shown understanding instead of surprised and as if it is obvious the moment she heard it again GYS showed non
which again no one mentioned or thought uncharacteristic
the meeting of MDK & BY the first bias of the recaper
in the conversation LM was NOT the winner they both stepped down once first lady min agreeing with BY then BY agreeing with LM it was very unlike what Heads2 said showing bias - bc if the order was changed BY would have "WON" going by Heads which i didnt mention then to avoid going into the conflict im going into now
and in this episode i was again disappointed although loved the suggestion there was NO registration in her expression of the conflict BY is going through no small understanding and empathy even if unfelt as a smart person she should have shown it to garner more points with BY to make her believe she is accepted and would not be abused
the making of an above average smart person
the only thing i can say is that LM has almost no relationship with any of the other characters but her acting towards BY and BW is the same and not different from any other royal queen in saguek unless they are portrayed as mean she is acting exactly the same as good queens in sageuk and just as averagely smart
which brings me to SSK
first and foremost SSK acting has changed only in relation to BW her relationship with all the other remained the same...
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Nathan
February 17, 2016 at 3:02 AM
This is way too long to read. Way too complicated to understand… Sometimes less is more...
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 3:18 AM
@nara
Really tried.
The use of punctuation would help tremendously.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 4:57 AM
sorry i was told bf about this and forget
i usually separate it with line in between but when posted it changes ill try harder
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 5:11 AM
well sorry this was the first post and i was really upset reading Head2 comments and comparison between BY LM since it is very biased
as for less is more ill try
1. the first appearance of LM was appalling.
the over excitement for being correct is the characteristic of someone who usually DOESNT answer correctly therefore exited for being correct at last.
gifted children are used to being correct all the time therefor their reaction is offhandedly and taken for granted
and would not have resulted in how it was executed by SGY
which someone, probably the director, told her not to do anymore - so we didnt see that MDK again
nara
February 17, 2016 at 5:22 AM
the scene with BW was done incorrectly again
LM was looking for a way to dissolve her marriage to HIB but didnt have a solution - in itself problematic for a very smart person, but not her fault as it was scripted so
what is her fault is showing surprised and amazed expression when she should have shown registered understanding and quick to follow BW logic which her eyes didnt show
she only looked surprised and disbelief that there was a way to get out
smart ppl are faster to understand and follow logic and would have been able to immediately understand and follow BW plan
her expression should have said "BW you are worthy of me"
it should have been a measuring look and calculated look
instead of the surprised and not really getting to the bottom of his plan look
which sadly LM never shows except for ep 21
intelligence is shown through the eyes - which is how a teacher can tell whom of her students understood her explanation and whom didnt
Laura
February 17, 2016 at 6:37 AM
Sorry, I'm not impressed with SSK's acting in these last couple episode. Doesn't mean she wasn't good before. I hope she gets better next eps.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 6:45 AM
if she was good bf dont you think she is acting now in a way SHE thinks is fitting the character?
do you think that SSK had a transplant? why would she be good bf and not now
just bc she chose to show a different reaction to situation
(btw her reaction is the one usually ppl after revolution have) doesnt mean she is a bad actress only that she interprets her character differently than how you would
its not acting in interpretation - its different
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hibeautiful
February 17, 2016 at 9:32 AM
@nara
Uhmm, as far as I know, no one in this thread has ever said she's a bad actress, literally. I've seen much more hateful comments towards korean/non-korean idols in other sites, and I must say, people here often use more proper/decent words to express their opinion.
After all this time I read people's comments in DB, I think people just genuinely hoped for better outcome from SSK. They even praised her for the improvement on previous recaps, so, it's natural to expect more. But that's just the way they cheer SSK.
I get your point that it might be SSK's ways in interpreting BY's reaction toward such situation, which MIGHT be the most suitable one. But hey!, viewers have their own preference, although they are not actors themselves, lol. I like SSK in Girls Who See Smells, she played the character really well, and the character itself was written as a cheerful one which made her likeable.
To conclude, you can defend your bias all the way you want. It's your choice. I put myself on your shoes, and I (and most people here, I think) understand and respect your opinion :) This is just a friendly advice, there's no need for you to explain further if there's someone writes something different than you because that is not an attack for you or for your bias. It won't destroy the world or something.
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hibeautiful
February 17, 2016 at 9:36 AM
oh anyway...please forget my advice. I didn't mean it to sound harsh or something. Was trying to make a light joke, but..it seems like I failed lol.
nara
February 17, 2016 at 10:39 AM
wasnt at all harsh and very friendly
no need to apologize
about SSK bashing
you can read the post bf SFD started
and about SSK casting news
the bashing of her when TGWSS casting news came out
the bashing bf BM came out
it is sadly from experience that im stating that
Yeri
February 17, 2016 at 12:02 PM
@nara breath,your taking it so seriously! It was like "only intelegent fan's can understand or appreciate SSK's talent?seriously?! so then, what about those who dont?I respect your comments bcs we see good & bad things in a dffrnt way! as a fan you should accept some facts about your bias good or bad.Dont spoiled them by saying good words when oviously they're not!
Lastly YAI is not over acting it is your bias who cant surpass him.
nomad
February 17, 2016 at 1:00 PM
I'm sorry...but your long comments are really hard to understand..
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Sun
February 17, 2016 at 7:19 PM
I think I understand what you meant about Lady Min, though I am not sure whether the problem lies with GSY's portrayal or the way her character is written.
Lady Min is introduced to us as one who is very political minded. She can see the political trend very well. But in the recent 20 episodes, whenever something happened she can't figure out the reason. When they were stuck in a situation, she is able to offer no solution. When Bang-won revealed whatever of his plan, she is greatly surprised and again can't think of the reason for him to do so. She's said to be very like-minded with BW. Yet she can't figure out everything he does. I think this seems very unfitting of how her character is supposed to be.
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 8:36 PM
The script under utilizes Queen Min
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24 PeepsLeAwesomePotato
February 17, 2016 at 1:19 AM
War is starting...
But did Jung DoJeon really have to cut that seal in half? He had so much space on that paper so why didn't he just stamp the seal twice and layer them? Why'd he have to tip off MooMyung? I thought he was a genius!
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Kaylie
February 17, 2016 at 1:31 AM
He was a genius, but he chose to concentrate all the powers into his hands, making even his loyal supporters like Shin-jeok doubt him. He was a genius, but he not only went along with the (stupid) Lee Seong-gye's idea to name the youngest son as the Crown Prince, but also further antagonised the older sons by disregarding the significant contributions they made to the founding of Joseon. Not that genius after all.
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 8:38 PM
I think JDJ used the younger son being named crown prince as an excuse to take over the military and have more power
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Adal
February 17, 2016 at 10:31 PM
Me too. LSG is just too blind to read him properly.
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25 nara
February 17, 2016 at 1:40 AM
the over dramatic acting belongs to telenovela\hallyu dramas which is why although Misaeng was on the international drama category while KMHM was only in the hallyu category
and why the actress won the hallyu best actress and not best actress in a drama
one of the characteristic of a telenovela and hallyu dramas is the over emotional acting ever wondered why in other shows around the world the actors are not so emotional and in an emotional crisis all the time?
again i didnt want to raise conflict bf but since BW first outburst crying with his father which i put on silence and just read the subs without watching since it caused the opposite reaction from me
every time i think he would start with his "emotional" acting i only read the subs and try not watching
the same as in his goodbye scene to BY where someone would think someone died i was pretty shocked by his over emotional and crying which he does in a heartbeat which leaves me feeling emotionless and respecting BW less and less
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Laura
February 17, 2016 at 6:36 AM
I don't think LBW's acting is over dramatic, his acting is always on point.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 6:53 AM
i dont think so
but more importantly this kind of acting is only done in kdramas
you rarely see dramas from other countries showing ths kind of all over the place emotions
and one of the things that are usually ridiculed when other shows "imitate" telenovela\hallyu dramas
is the acting - it is the most ridiculed factor of telenovela\hallyu dramas bc of the over exaggerated emotion
im actually a fan of YAI since the drama "he who cant marry" but his sometimes over the top emotion does make me tune it down i only think he is doing it bc it is what you do in kdrama
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Laura
February 18, 2016 at 7:03 AM
LOL! Comparing Yoo Ah In with telenovela actors is such an insult. He perfectly capture every single emotion that Lee Bang Won should feel. Sometimes subtle, sometimes full of emotion. That's what I call a versatile actor. Not some kind of a dead face.
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momot
February 17, 2016 at 9:30 AM
Agree !
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 8:40 PM
Yoo AhIn's acting is amazing, he subtly conveys so much
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I Will Goryeo You
February 17, 2016 at 11:42 PM
Agreed!
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26 Commentcomment
February 17, 2016 at 2:16 AM
Eveyone, i thought of something... its the biggest hole in the "queen seondeok-sfd-tdwdr" universe.. up in there with moomyung's real intentions... so, moohyul in sfd is around the same age as bangwon and boonyi, but moohyul in tree is around the age of sejong if not within a decade older than sejong... so how is that?? Sejong isnt even born in the drama yet... did moohyul stopped aging since 40 or something while bangwon in tree is basically a grandpa.. there are stuff that doesnt make sense since the beginning of the drama, but its understandable because this is a fusion saeguk drama, but a looottt more things stopped making sense since the reveal of moomyung's leader, its just not that noticeable because moomyung isnt the main focus in the show..the writers are trying too hard to connect the three dramas.. but alot of the nonsense and illogical stuff became more noticeable since lee seonggye became king taejong... everyone not only him and jdj are really off these past episodes but others too.. imo, boonyi, bangwon, and yeonhee are off too these days.. bangwon do alot of stuff before, but you could see his purpose and reason, not doing stuff straight out violent, not like burning a whole village, they tried to give him a reason why he did that but the reason is kinda lacking, but one who lost reason the most is jeong dojeon. Like why, just why are you doing these stuff?? Bangwon is being irrational but he's pushing him to be like that.. like why??? He did alot for the foundation of the country and saved your life then you said he doesnt have a place blah blah? I understand not wanting him to be crown prince, but rejecting him and not acknowledging his contributions is just......is it that hard to atleast not hate on him or remove him from your friends list just because he killed your bff, dude, he did that to save your life..the only ones i could understand is moohyul.. he stayed the same since how he is from the start and is starting to mature the way we would imagine him to mature and you could see its reasonable, and bangji doesnt have much screentime and he is still that staring at nowhere in a lot of scenes character(did you guys notice it)... everyone randomly changed, like they lost who their original intentions, they lost their rationality and reason, like theyre doing stuff just for the sake of doing stuff, without much reason... like is thsre a change of writers?? Are they tired already?? They probably wrote these scripts while drunk during the new year or theyre transforming the drama into the ending of starwars ep 3 trying waaayy toooo haaarrrdd to conclude the series and connecting the drama universe they made.. anyways, aside from the characters becoming illogical, i still like it, and still very curious about the stuff that would happen and would continue to watch it.
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Kiara
February 17, 2016 at 1:09 PM
Agreed but I would've said worst so I'll keep my opinions to myself and let the real SFD fans enjoy their show.
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 5:14 PM
Good observations. But since a lot of the actions in the plot is historical, I can't really blame the writers. For instance, LSG's decision to make Bang-seok Crown prince, (illogical even then), the killing of JMJ and the exclusion of the princes from politics, really did happen in history.
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 8:46 PM
I agree, the most illogical things are historical, just proves that power corrupts
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27 Izzy
February 17, 2016 at 2:30 AM
Lady Min's idea might sound extraordinary but she didn't know that long time ago Boon Yi had already told Bang Won that she would never become his concubine though she loved him too.
Actually, Lady Min's proposal pushed BY further from BW when she mentioned that BW needed both BY and BY's organisation and BW didn't deny that. Being taken advantage of is never nice to hear about.
That's why I can guess BY would leave, not to JDJ to against BW, but to be on her own, under no one's control. She would fight for her belief in her own way.
She would still love him but she wanted to have the freedom to love him.
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28 Commentcomment
February 17, 2016 at 2:42 AM
One thing, moohyul in sfd is around the age of boonyi and bangwon, moohyul in tree is around the age of sejong, if not, not more than a decade older... so...... did moohyul stopped aging since late 30s or 40s... or did he had a son and named him moohyul too???? ...
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Nathan
February 17, 2016 at 3:01 AM
He's a vampire...
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Peeps
February 17, 2016 at 7:00 AM
He uses a lot of middle-ages SKII by slathering cooked rice on his face every night.
Oooorrr... he had a very early growth spurt and is one of those look old when young and look young when old people. Oh! Oh! Exercise helps too, that's why he's so fit and strong!!
For some reason I think of him as MooHyul the bear. Grizzly when it comes to protecting the ones he loves and Teddy when it comes to everything else.
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nomad
February 17, 2016 at 1:02 PM
PUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I love this thread!
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29 nara
February 17, 2016 at 3:02 AM
LM character is a stagnant one unlike BY she didnt change over time she is NOT recognized by anyone else for her intelligence she is not asked for advice by anyone
and most of all she cannot really show intelligence in her eyes which is how you show intelligence
if anyone here is a teacher then they know that they can see from the eyes of their students which of them understood and which of them didnt
LM doesnt show she can see ahead of others she never gets complicated and long monologues
unlike the other female characters
she will be against LK the wife of LSG so maybe will see some changes but up till now she showed no great intelligence didnt give any formidable advice
not recognized as very smart by anyone but the fans and for no good reason since she shows no great intelligent in her expression, which is the same as her text is almost always the same
maybe the script writers feel the same as i do
of course she is young and it is her first or second shows but she cannot be compared to SSK acting
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Nathan
February 17, 2016 at 3:04 AM
You love SSK, OK WE GOT IT!
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 3:35 AM
you dont get it i love her bc of her acting not regardless
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 4:23 AM
what i dont get is how ppl dont realize how incredible SSK really is
her depiction of BY at this point fit to a tee the description of ppl who were disillusion by a revolution
if you read about it and of the "little" ppl who put everything into a revolutionary cause and it either failed or didnt go as they hoped acted and felt the same as BY
this is the correct depiction of a disappointed revolutionary soldiers
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Nathan
February 17, 2016 at 6:37 AM
I don't know what you do in your life and I don't know how to use fancy words like you do. But you know to put it in a simple words, you don't have to write thesis to justify what you like about SSK or her acting or whatever.
People are allowed to like what they like and likewise. We don't have to like same things. Some people don't like her acting, and some people like her acting. It's all depend on our own personal taste.
nara
February 17, 2016 at 7:04 AM
of course ppl can choose what they like
but when a recaper from a self proclaimed in depth site
choose selectively whom to criticize and neglect to criticize others although well deserved - as i pointed out
this is not something i accept
if Head2 have shown criticism towards the other characters i would not have been so fierce and would have posted only if no one else did bf in regard to SSK
but showing this kind of bias - again without any basis
is not something i accept from a site that is supposedly deductive and educated in its analysis
nara
February 17, 2016 at 7:16 AM
SSK is sadly one of the few k actors who adheres to the stanislavski method which is the most accepted method of acting nowdays
SSK does a massive research on her character psych bf starting filming
and afterwards and during the drama she has an emotional table of her character which she grades and follows
and chnges the grades in relationship to others throughout the drama
she acts in accordance to how she grades the character and how the character is changed\developed from what it was bf
when i first saw SSK i was sure she was not raised in korea since her acting was so unkdrama acting and was so surprised when realizing she was
i didnt criticize any of the other actors bf and only defended SSK since i didnt want to lessen the enjoyment of others and their loved actors
and doing it now - bc as ia said - it is unavoidable
last thing english is not my native tongue and i need to search for words to express myself resulting with "fancy" words from time to time
and im a university student
Nathan
February 17, 2016 at 8:02 AM
There you go a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very long reply again…. I suggest you write a thesis of "SSK Acting 101".
Sorry I only understand 10% of what you wrote… Too complicated and too fancy for me to understand.
nara
February 17, 2016 at 8:15 AM
i dont know how to reply to that without sounding insulting
Laura
February 17, 2016 at 6:27 AM
Actually I'm more impressed by Lady Min than Boon Yi lately.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 7:29 AM
if you go by her text and sentences you will see they are repetitive and unchanged
as are her scenes - she goes into BW room say something h ignores and goes back till next ep
for someone as supposedly savvy in politics you would expect her - as i did and stated bf - to have better script and dialogue
we have only 10 eps and still she showed no remarkable statements, politically wise - her "lines" are taken by either BW HR or even BY
and you just have to do a lineup of her text throughout the drama to see im right
doesnt need a metaphorically light bulb to see that maybe the writers are unsure of her capability of showing the great intelligence, that is expected from LM, in difficult lines
therefore giving her simple repetitive lines
she has the least text out of all the other women even CY gets more - well SG is the only one who gets less than her
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nomad
February 17, 2016 at 1:05 PM
Nara--
I suggest you might try other sites that recap this drama if you find that Heads' is biased. After all, THIS is a blog. Which means, she can write any way she wants, without pleasing you or anyone, in that matter.
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Laura
February 18, 2016 at 4:00 AM
I stick to my guns. I'm still impressed by Lady Min than Boon Yi LATELY.
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honeylime
February 17, 2016 at 7:46 AM
Agree with you. I used to like the idea of BW and BY, even fell for character BY in the beginning but lately Lady Min becomes more and more impressive, she's a future queen for a reason.
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Adal
February 17, 2016 at 10:38 PM
She also comes across as one dimensional and too power hungry. There are layers to people after all, even the most minor characters are layered. However the actress playing Lady Min only manages to come off as shrewish, scolding and power hungry. I would like to see more from the actress and the character.
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ColourMeHaneul
February 18, 2016 at 10:14 PM
hear! hear!
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30 nara
February 17, 2016 at 4:02 AM
when i first came to DB it was after reading in wikipedia that this is an in depth analysis of kdramas
so i was expecting an objective scholastic deduction
and just like i explained about reading script
(which btw took Heads2 a week and an episode to agree that BW was now all about power as you can read in the comments which again anyone who comes from the backround of learning to read script will immediately realize and not need a week and an episode to understand)
i will now explain about character development - we have here a saga that span for more then 10 years the characters should change and develop over time and changed situation
for example YH & DS after their grand and epic closure script and character wizw should have changed even a little since they confronted and won against their traumatic and formative experience so in some way we would have shown some changes - we didnt YH is the same as bf not even mellowed down by age and closure and DS has gown more with his fight with GTM than he did with this rapist
of course its mostly the fault of the writers but some changes could have been shown by mellowing down by YH & BJ btw - flat characters
LM is the most flat of all the characters she showed no sign of any change she is now living in her own manner the lady of the house and still acts like one of the crowd
she is still rush and exited in her conversation with BW & BY although she should act commanding and queen of her manor we dont see any maturing or change in her behavior
LSG didnt chane but he is older and already set in his ways unlike the young dragons
JDJ is now becoming bipolar as someone said bf probably to make him fit to the JDJ that is known from history as a cruel man
BW is changed with the help of the worm and he is developing to the ruler he would become in history
which bring us to BY which has changed NOT bc of the worm or bc of bipolar script but bc she left her teenage years and became an adult she is now disillusioned by the promise of JDJ and the change of BW as all revolutionary "soldiers" feel at one point
she is no more a radical teenager but a disillusioned grownup she is the only one who realistically has grown up
she is the only round character here
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hipployta
February 17, 2016 at 6:41 AM
Do you know how rude it is to spam a comment section over and over and over?
Also would it physically injure you use to punctuation marks?
You love Shin Se Kyung...we got it. However insulting the other actors to make her look better is VERY unflattering.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 8:00 AM
as i stated bf i did it ONLY bc she is the only one being criticized for NO good reason
and im not spaming if you dont understand that, it is your problem not mine
the development of character is something you learn in acting and film school - so i would have thought that at least some would have recognized the UNDEVELOPED characters we see
since no one did, and yet criticized SSK, i thought it was needed to be pointed out
rudeness is very subjective and depends on your upbringing
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nomad
February 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM
I think MOST of the people reading your comments will find that you are, by any definition, rude. Also, you said you're a university student, don't they teach how to capitalize and punctuate nowadays?
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Laura
February 17, 2016 at 6:49 AM
You don't have to put down other characters and actors to make your actress look good. Because most of people here see what they see. Shin Se Kyung doesn't impress.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 8:09 AM
SSK has been bashed since forever in DB
whenever there are cast news about her she is repeatedly bashed
and then after ppl watch her for a couple of ep some say
oh, she suits comedies
she does fit sageuks
she improved
and when she does a character that ppl dislike she gets bashed again
and the cycle repeats
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Keim
February 17, 2016 at 9:46 AM
"she does a character that ppl dislike"
Which one?
#confused
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 10:01 AM
since BY, as ppl here see it, changed into a statues like character
SSK specific portrayal of BY at this point in the drama is disliked
bc she "lacks" gumption
bc she is not like bf
bc she isnt as dramatic as BW
since we are talking about a saga the character is changed throughout the drama, and the BY we saw bf is a "different" character than the one from the now
ppl here see the BY now as a different character
which they dont like very much
Keim
February 17, 2016 at 10:48 AM
Oh well, nara, I don't think people dislike Boon-yi. It is just the feels people got while watching her. by having different "feels" is not another form of ''bashing''.
As someone who support SSK, I admit that sometimes it's painful to read an overly criticism. But I don't see it in this recap comment section.
ColourMeHaneul
February 18, 2016 at 10:19 PM
spot on!
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Gehrel
February 17, 2016 at 7:33 AM
To say that Lady Min's a flat character is an understatement, in my opinion. Her scenes are not many to begin with, so it's easy to say she's flat.
Lady Min's the female version of Bang-Won, makes sense that her ambition for power could almost match Bang-Won's desire for power. We know Bang-won's reason for power, we don't know hers (though I suspect it has to do with reputation of her family, she is after all part of the Haedong clan).
I take it that she's lowkey in love with Bang-Won, seeing that like Bang-Won who fell in love with Boon Yi who challenged him. To Lady Min, the only person she knew had the guts to challenge her was Yi Bang-Won.
Kudos to GSY for her subtle acting, when Bang-Won and her had a private conversation, where she uttered "I would even give you 100 concubines". She's lashing out in frustration and her eyes were a little watery, while keeping the bigger picture in mind.
Lady Min went from his wife willing to abandon the Yi Family as soon as they are in trouble to the wife who actively supported Bang-Won no matter what. If that's not change, I don't know what is.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 8:06 AM
exactly SGY is as you said lashing out
NOT the making of a queen, its the contrary
and most definitely not the making of an intelligent person who should use different method - not repetitive - to convince
also as i said bf she now is also a mature lady, and older and wiser, she should not lash out
she should show a manipulative and convincing ability which for some reason the writers dont give her a chance to show
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Gehrel
February 17, 2016 at 8:23 AM
I think her lashing out is part of humanizing Lady Min to show that she's not stoic all the time. That her emotions are sort of affected by Bang-Won's safety being jeopardized by Jeong Do Jeon as well as her own. Jeong Do Jeon already show the depths he's willing to go to take down Bang-Won before he has the advantage to counter the attack.
Older and wiser doesn't mean you have the perfect ability to compartmentalize your emotions. She's been married to Bang-Won in the show for at least ten years. So that means she must have some sort of affections to Bang-Won.
Makes sense why she would lash out due to frustrations. Because everyone has a different way of dealing with intense emotions. Even Bang-Won had times where he lashed out at other people in frustrations.
I think it's refreshing to have Lady Min as a wife who understands the stakes of the political game Bang-Won's involved with. And not governed fully by emotions, that she becomes intensely jealous over Boon Yi's relationship to Bang-Won. I feel like the overly jealous and scorned wife trope is overused and becoming stale.
Just my two cents. Your opinion is certainly your own and I respect that.
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Nathan
February 17, 2016 at 8:38 AM
Lady Min is one of the most influential queen in history. This drama just doesn't do any justice of "Lady Min".
For me, all these Bang Won - Boon Yi fictional thingy tainted the history of real relationship between Bang Won and Lady Min. They should already have kid by now.
In real life Bang Won might not in love with Lady Min but he respect her so much. But here he don't even care about her at all...
nara
February 17, 2016 at 8:52 AM
i would to have liked to see her more politically influential
but she hasnt, script wise, given any opportunity
going by the script she is more emotional than shrewed
historically speaking LM was very influential inthe making of BW a king and BW really appreciated LM and learned the ways of the palace and court from her
she is known to be able to spar with the best politician and come out a winner, something that is yet to be shown
and i think that like how she was told to refrain from acting as the MDK we saw the first time with her father
the writers are now preparing her for her combat with LK
crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 8:50 AM
@nara
From your comments, it is very clear that you are a SSK fan. And you are free to love her and defend her acting, but to do so continuously and in the manner that you do, with lengthy explanations (it doesn't help that you don't use punctuation marks...they are there for a reason!), comes across as pushy and somewhat opinionated.
It is made worse in my opinion when you criticise a recapper's work. Sure, you can disagree with her comments, but to do so in the way you have, it not very polite. There are no rules to say that the recapper has to be objective. Why should they? They are recapping the drama cos they love it, or in some cases have already committed themselves to it. As far as I know, they are not paid to recap and they have their own personal lives and jobs. If you really don't like what they write, you don't have to read it. But do you realise that you are accusing poor Heads for being biased, when the one who is extremely biased is you! She was just giving us her opinion, but the one raving and ranting about SSK's acting is you. You even criticised the actress playing Da-kyung in such great and lengthy detail, and say that we should not compare the 2, when you are the one doing the comparing.
Please stop. Or people will start ignoring your comments.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 9:00 AM
if the recaper choose to criticize only one actor it is a sign of bias
as i said bf - and if you read my comments in previous recaps - i never criticized other actors, although what i wrote today is what i felt bf i just didnt need to express it until today
the thing that bothers me most is the that DB is supposedly an in depth site - maybe you dont understand the meaning the same way that i do, but it made me expect certain things
for example
a background in script reading and character development
ppl here criticize acting based on opinion alone but state it as if they invented it
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM
btw opinionated is a compliment not an insult
if it is a bad characteristic in your opinion
it means we see the world differently and therefor women in general differently
and i really hope that it is also a compliment where you come from
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 5:22 PM
Lol! I chose the word 'opinionated' instead of 'argumentative' to appear less harsh. YOU can choose to take it anyway you want. But a sign of maturity is to know when and how to take criticisms and the opinions of others.
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momot
February 17, 2016 at 9:47 AM
I'm sorry but you get all worked up over the statement by recapper .... "Maybe it’s hard when you have an actor like Yoo Ah-in emoting so heavily in your direction, but rather than come off as conflicted, Boon-yi’s coming off sort of detached, isn’t she?". I think she isn't degrading or being biased to SSK at all, but on Boon-yi's character, which lately isn't as good as earlier episodes.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 10:07 AM
"but on Boon-yi’s character, which lately isn’t as good as earlier episodes."
in what way? isnt good, how?
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 10:09 AM
and if it was meant towards BY and not SSK
it would have said BW and not YAI in that statement
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Javabeans
February 17, 2016 at 12:31 PM
All right, let's cool our jets. I think you've more than made your point, and your criticism has been noted and heard. Let's move on, shall we? Surely there is much more to be said about this drama than this one point.
To be clear, you're free to express your criticism, but now you're belaboring the point and derailing recap threads. We'd like to resume our normal discussion, please!
Thanks for understanding.
Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 8:55 PM
Why are you insulting the recapper They don't owe you anything, they are doing this for free so international fans can understand and discuss Korean dramas
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Laura
February 18, 2016 at 4:03 AM
I can't believe someone could be THAT ungrateful for having someone recapping the 50 episodes of drama, no, not only recapping but also sharing her own perspective and insights. She is so rude!
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31 bashful
February 17, 2016 at 4:53 AM
Remember that Jeong Do-jeon was afraid he wasn't acting like a proper scholar of Confucius and that he needed somebody like Jeong Mong-ju to keep him in check.
With the latter dead, there is no one there to stop him from going all gaga with power and the view that he is right and everyone else is wrong and they must be eliminated.
The reviewer on the Han Cinema website is very critical of Bang Won but I am leaning more towards Bang Won's position. I think the Taejo made a great mistake in choosing his youngest son and as an experienced commander (if not politician) he should have been aware of the potential consequences of overlooking his older sons.
Knowing about the forthcoming Strife of the Princes Mark 1 (and Mark 2 later on), Taejo should bear part of the responsibility for the blood spilled within his family.
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CaroleMcDonnell
February 17, 2016 at 5:14 AM
Definitely! When do young princes ever survive to actually become crown princes? Rarely! JDJ is another person who --like Choi Young and Poeun-- is simply ruled by his ideals. If this show tells us anything about ideals it's that even idealists who understand human strategies and failings are at a loss to understanding their own failings and strategies.
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Kaylie
February 17, 2016 at 5:15 AM
Yes I agree! Anyone with some common sense would be able to see how problematic it is to invest a child as the Crown Prince when there are other much more capable adult princes. Not to mention the adult sons born to the first wife were so callously sidelined like this. Lee Seong-gye is blinded by his love for his second wife and should be made responsible for the blood shed.
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 5:45 AM
If his older sons were useless and wastrels, i can understand this decision...but they are not. And even Bang gwa said that if any of the other older sons were chosen to be the Crown Prince, he wouldn't mind.
Seriously, i can only conclude that LSG lost his mind...and Sambong too!
I still can't grapple with the idea that 2 great men, who started off so well, could make such stupid mistakes...okay, I'll blame Nameless. It's ALL their fault!!! Their cluelessness is a potently vicious virus that has infected JDJ and LSG.
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Reba Wechoki
February 18, 2016 at 4:24 AM
I am so with you on that point
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32 CaroleMcDonnell
February 17, 2016 at 5:09 AM
Thanks for the recap.
DaKyung is seriously queen material. I can't say she loves Bang Won. If she does, she loves power more than she loves him.
Am seriously disliking Yen Hee. Who gave her the power to decide what Boon Yi should do? She's the perfect revolutionay "wife." Perfectly addicted to power and to the greatness of her man. So annoying. It's pretty clear she knows Bang Ji is in love with her but she is silent about her adoration of JDJ so she can use Bang Ji's loyalty to her. In TWDR, Bang Ji disappeared off the face of the Joseon map. I'm waiting for the day he just ups and leaves the revolution.
I keep waiting for JDJ to get his. That's the next big hurdle; and I will be so happy when our murderous paranoid many-wived-to-be despot secures the throne.
As for Boon yi...the poor girl is an innocent, caught in a conflict waaaaaaaay over her head. She's overwhelmed and confused. And was that the best love confession ever that any poor girl could receive from an angry prince?
Thanks for the recap.
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 5:56 AM
Agree with your assessment of Yeon hee and Da-kyung.
I think that Bang-won went ahead with the 100 concubines in retaliation of her suggestion. "You want me to have a 100 concubines? Okay! I'll have a 100 concubines!" I think he was probably upset that she didn't love him enough to be jealous. This is in such contrast to Boon-yi, who refused to be his concubine - such is her love for him.
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CaroleMcDonnell
February 17, 2016 at 8:00 AM
Either she was way emotionally cold or extremely-politically-savvy. She did end up with kids so there had to be love --or at least, sex-- between them. But wow!
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Kaylie
February 17, 2016 at 8:35 AM
Lol I think Joseon queens had sex with the king on a schedule, so whether Bang-won loves her or not, regular sex is guaranteed. So having kids doesn't really imply there is necessarily love. But I do think there's this mutual respect and recognition for their wisdom and competence.
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Gehrel
February 17, 2016 at 8:47 AM
Yeah, I forgot about the sex scheduled for effective producing a heir.
In Secret Door, I remembered Sado skipped out on his "sex schedule" with Princess Hyegyeong after hitting a huzzah moment on some mystery going on.
Boy was Princess Hyegyeong so disappointed and looked crushed when they didn't get to do the deed.
Cheliwel
February 17, 2016 at 5:56 AM
I haven't watched TWDR. I will after this but what happens after Bang Ji leaves the revolution? Did he ever find happiness? Start his own family?
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Peeps
February 17, 2016 at 6:54 AM
He roams the wild wild Joseon landscape while finding time to raise a lovable, misguided killing machine. I don't know much about whether he ever ended up with a family but he gets tan and wrinkly and looses some hair. Poor BangJi!
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earthna
February 17, 2016 at 2:28 PM
lol perfect description of post-Bang Ji
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 9:09 PM
LOL @ lovable, misguided killing machine.
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Peeps
February 17, 2016 at 6:49 AM
At this rate, I'm gonna understand what MooHyul said about YeonHee veing Jung DoJeon's woman, cos while she may not ve his wife/lover she is very much becomung his person, just a female one at that.
And if fighting with BangJi turns out to be true and absolutely painful for MooHyul I'll get why he says he didn't know BangJi. Gorramit! He hasn't gotten his chyron of glory yet! What if he only gets it if he spars off with BangJi to the death? Noooooooo!!!!! Save this bromance!
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CaroleMcDonnell
February 17, 2016 at 8:03 AM
I do kinda fear a Bangji-Moohyul spar-off. Maybe that's what makes Bangji flee the whole mess. Someone has to simply walk away from this violence and go live a solitary life in the mountains.
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Nathan
February 17, 2016 at 8:09 AM
I remember reading the character descriptions long before they aired this drama. They describe Sambong-Yeon Hee as "in love relationship"
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 9:06 PM
LOL @ angry Prince love confession
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Izzy
February 17, 2016 at 10:45 PM
I think Yeon Hee acts like now is because she wants to stay upper hand and strong. She is so afraid of going back to a normal person because in her mind normal people are weak, will be easily bullied and controlled. The past of being a normal person is no fun to her.
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Reba Wechoki
February 18, 2016 at 4:31 AM
Thanks for that insight into her character because each time I see her on screen I want to give LBW a little help in ending her
existence. Maybe I shall watch her with a little more understanding now.
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33 ha ji won
February 17, 2016 at 5:29 AM
@nara I quite agree with u about SSK acting. I remember her mom telling her that JDJ will give her notting but hope. Also i think d way things are right, will course BY to change, definitely she will, cos i can also remember Ha Ryun expression when he saw BY's face and studied his physiognomy on her, am looking forward to it.
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34 crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 6:13 AM
JDJ's biggest betrayal is to people like Moo-hyul, Boon-yi and Bang-ji,representing the innocent people who simply hope to have a life to live. If he can't appreciate what Bang-won did, how can he appreciate them? Sure he gave Moohyul and Young-kyul a position, but that's just to separate them from Bang-won. Their positions are too ludicrous. Young-kyul, a minister for culture and education? What a joke! At least give him a military position! And poor Moo-hyul is basically designated to be a store-man in charge of weapons. What an insult! His contributions in fighting were not even recognised. Have they forgotten what happened at General Jo's banquet, where Young-kyul, Bang-ji and him triple-handedly defeated the hundreds of soldiers? I'm so sad...and I know it'll get worse.
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 6:44 AM
Btw, i just did a quick check. Was curious about what HIB actually did to BW back in SSK's days as mentioned in ep 38. The earlier episode didn't show how long HIB had Bang-won locked up...but in ep 38, BW said that he was starved for 4 days and locked in a crate when he was just a young boy. I have to add that he was alone, and was without light. Still he did not crack and join hands with HIB. No wonder Bang-won is do mentally strong.
JDJ made a mistake in trusting Po-eun and over-estimating him. Now he's making a mistake in under-estimating Bang-won and not really knowing his enemy. This is no ordinary intelligent and reckless person. This is a man who as a boy who ha gone through much disappointment, betrayal and mental torture at a very young age. A boy whose bright and beautiful world suddenly changed to a tortuous one. This is a man who even when he's down (imprisoned and tortured) has the presence of mind to figure out that his jailer (Officer Nam) was lying to him and would not be discouraged. This is a man who when he is down, will fight back with every possible means he has - and he'll kill you! Sambong - Beware! Be afraid, be very afraid!
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CaroleMcDonnell
February 17, 2016 at 8:05 AM
LOL!!!! Oh Lord! We're all on the despot's side! Well-played, Writer-nim, well-played!
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crazyahjummafan
February 17, 2016 at 8:24 PM
It helps A LOT that it's Yoo Ah In who is playing the character...find it difficult not to take a pretty boy's side...That's the shallow side of me talking.
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 9:13 PM
Yes the pretty helps
I Will Goryeo You
February 17, 2016 at 11:50 PM
LOL! Count my shallow side of me in!
Reba Wechoki
February 18, 2016 at 4:49 AM
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35 Laura
February 17, 2016 at 6:25 AM
Isn't it too absurd that JDJ appointed Young Gyu for the minister of education? lol I know JDJ will have his hands on that post in the end, but I wonder why none of the officials standing there objected his decision in personnel department.
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Peeps
February 17, 2016 at 8:23 AM
Lol yeah. For a person from such a heavily military-influenced background and no (since apparently he hasn't worn a uniform before except for his military gears) political and literature experience to suddenly be Head of EDUCATION.
If I wasn't convinced that Jung DoJwon has gone crazy with rhe Prince UiAn as Crown Prince issue, this did.
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36 shinmudejuve
February 17, 2016 at 11:03 AM
The comment section is full with opinions regarding Shin Sekyung's poor acting skill.
What I wanna say is.. SSK fans must learn to accept critics about her acting. Because her acting in latest episodes was really seemed so not clicking and it's getting worse in epi 40. Especially when she was standing beside great actors like Yoo Ahin / Kim Myungmin.
Don't easily labeled people who give critics to her acting as SSK haters/basher. They're just simply give their two cents about how they felt after watching SSK on screen.
SSK fans don't have to give looong lectures about character development because we're all watching the same drama since epi 1 and we all know about what Boonyi going through. I personally admire Boonyi character in SFD and I even thanked this drama (twice!) to be able to make SSK shows her hidden potential. But she seemed lost her touch in recent episodes. It's getting worse when she should act in one frame with Yoo Ahin/Kim Myungmin.
If SSK fans think that her acting is awesome but the style is not matching with Korean drama industry, then let her go to Hollywood. I seriously curious what will Americans say about her acting skill.
Let her try to act with great actors like Leonardo Dicaprio or Tom Hanks.
I'm pretty sure Americans will still prefer watching Yoo Ahin's acting style than hers.
If you say that Yoo Ahin's acting is over emotionally and SSK's stoic acting is awesome, errr.. I know that you're SSK fan.. BUT.. use your logic, please.
Even a world class actor like Leonardo Dicaprio shows his emotional (over emotional in your words) just like Kim Myungmin/Yoo Ahin in his various Hollywood movies.
I'm sorry if my words sound offensive, I'm just too tired reading SSK fans labeling people who give critics about her acting as basher/haters. I like SSK alot in variety programs like Running Man, because she seems so nice and kind. But definitely not her acting. I've already watched many of her dramas and she's FAR from an awesome actress.
Anyway, HeadsNo2.. thanx for the recaps.
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 11:54 AM
again if her acting is ONLY "lacking" in latest ep but was GOOD bf
it means that the audience cannot separate the actor from the character
opinion in the comments section is accepted without the need to justify itself based on opinion - even if appallingly uneducated - just as you wrote
an opinion of a recaper from a website - that is described in wikipedia as an IN DEPTH website - does have to justify such claim
can DB also write in wikipedia that the recapers are doing academic recap?
either the description in wikipedia is wrong
or the recaper should do justice to the description
or be annoyed by my criticism of the bias and not in depth recap
i came here bc of what i read in wikipedia the description
and after reading various recaps, it doesnt seem that the recapers have any formal background or education in the field
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Kiara
February 17, 2016 at 1:18 PM
@nara You are downright ridiculous now. Let It Go. They don't owe you or me anything.
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Javabeans
February 17, 2016 at 1:25 PM
That's a weird criticism. We don't shape ourselves to fit our Wikipedia description. It's the opposite -- the Wikipedia description describes us. If you think it's inaccurate, I do believe you can go into Wiki yourself and edit it. (Also, we have a Wiki entry? Cool!)
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nara
February 17, 2016 at 1:47 PM
well i do write wikipedia entries but only in my native language and it is pretty much based on the person who writes it
i dont want to change the wikipedia description i was hoping the opposite will happen
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Y
February 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM
you do know that wiki cannot be cited as an academic source at all do you?
nara
February 18, 2016 at 1:01 AM
thats why it was cynically said
CaroleMcDonnell
February 17, 2016 at 2:52 PM
One really can't say someone is a bad actress based on only a few episodes out of 40. Heck, for all we know she's getting over a bad cold. Seriously. Acting in incredibly cold weather for 6 months is no joke. We mustn't be too ready to judge someone's skills when we don't have all the facts.
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 9:17 PM
I'm an American and l prefer Yoo AhIn's acting, just my unnecessary 2 cents
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Adal
February 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM
So do I. I like SSK but I'll be the first to say I noticed that she stopped emoting since mid way through the drama cycle. Was it ep. 25 or so? I commented that she must've been exhausted and running on fumes. It's hard to do a 6 months drama after all. And in her case, her lack of emoting is made so obvious because she's working with A grade actors.
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I Will Goryeo You
February 17, 2016 at 11:34 PM
My thought exactly!
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ColourMeHaneul
February 18, 2016 at 10:32 PM
+1000
37 earthna
February 17, 2016 at 12:39 PM
The real boss here is Hong Dae Hong. I mean, who else can elbow Bang Won in the chest and survive?
I feel so bad for Moohyul. For all the commoners, actually. In the whole episode, they are shown like pawns. They are not supposed to think. Opinions are forced on them and people kept on telling them to choose sides, to pick a higher person to follow. Damn! It makes me sad because nothing changed in this world. We get this illusion that the world is now better, that justice will prevail but no, it's not like that. Even Bang Ji is so conflicted. I like how he didn't impose anything on Boon Yi and just accepted that he doesn't know what to do himself.
Thanks for the recaps, Heads!
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Kiara
February 17, 2016 at 1:06 PM
I've been hanging on for Moo-hyul because I so love him in tree. I've lost all anticipation for his character ever becoming a dragon.They can pretty much shove it where the sun doesn't shine. What's the use now? Joseon has been established. This show should have been called Five and a Half Flying Dragons. (fan-girl angst lol).
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nomad
February 17, 2016 at 1:14 PM
LOL!
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earthna
February 17, 2016 at 2:18 PM
LOL. Five and a Half! He's the half even when he's twice Boon Yi's height. I will just watch Tree for the nth time and enjoy his ahjusshi glory days.
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38 Kiara
February 17, 2016 at 12:55 PM
Heads! I really appreciate you for solo recapping a 50 eps show for the first time ever. I have my problems with the show but you are amazing! Thank you very much :).
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nomad
February 17, 2016 at 1:15 PM
Hear! Hear!
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 9:20 PM
Yes Heads is doing an awesome job
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helios
February 18, 2016 at 1:54 AM
Thanks for your recaps, Heads! They add to the experience of watching the show :)
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39 Saya22
February 17, 2016 at 2:50 PM
LSG has got to one of the worst dads ever. Throwing his own sons under the bus while making matters worse by making his youngest son crown prince. He basically signed his own son's death certificate. I mean what did he expect would happen? LBW and the older brothers to just accept getting passed over when help build the country? It was a recipe for disaster the moment he made his youngest son crown prince. JDJ and YH need to die soon!
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40 shinmudejuve
February 17, 2016 at 5:58 PM
@nara
I know that you're a BIG LOYAL fan of SSK, since you're everywhere spreading your love to SSK (here and Soompi). It doesn't matter if you like her sooo much and keep saying that she awes you by her acting.
But please open your eyes a little bit and be more objective.
There are tons of people critics her for being inconsistent here and there, yet you always say that it's all the audiences fault not SSK.
You're the one that being too subjective because you love SSK that much.
You should know that SSK is also a human who can be inconsistent, especially if we talk about her acting. Do you know that hectic live shooting schedule can make human get tired? And when you're tired there's a possibility for making mistakes?
SSK is not a superhuman, just saying.
You're not only judging and labeling commenters who critics her acting this time, but too often. Not only in SFD but in her other dramas. And everytime people critics her acting, you say that the audiences don't get her characters' depth.
You should open your eyes and learn to accept critics. I have some favorite A-lister actors/actresses but when others critic them, I accept their opinion. Even an A-lister can make mistake and get criticism from audiences.
Critics are not always in sweet sentences so it may sound harsh. It may sound as bashing, but you should try to read opinions more objectively and not easily feel offended. That's part of being a mature fan.
And you should learn to accept THE FACT that SSK is far from being an awesome actress. Just stop pointing your fingers to people who critics her acting skill and labeling them as haters/basher.
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nara
February 18, 2016 at 3:14 AM
objective criticism should be based on more than a personal opinion
i see i have to explain about the psych behind revolution action - something you can read yourself on the interenet.
but the first ti write about it was John smith in Mass Theory
(it is called that in my language)
revolution is like a tsunami wave, it is a collective mass with the same notion, ideals and mission
it makes the ppl empowered and feel almost god like and that they can accomplish anything, and nothing will stand in their way
the feeling is so elevated you feel on "drugs" and very "high".
therefor if it fails or doesnt go as planned, the disappointment is very extreme.
you lose the will to fight, almost lose the will to live.
you just go through the motion
what im saying here you an find in documented records of revolution
maybe if you read about the disappointment when the law of equal right in the USA didnt pass - it could give you examples.
now ask yourself is SSK not portraying that, or do you just dont like the character
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shinmudejuve
February 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM
LOL
@nara, you don't have to give me a long literature about psych theory. I don't dislike Boon Yi character and if you read my comment carefully, I even admire her character development.
I personally (and so do people in this comment section) understand that BY went through difficult situations, as a commoner she must felt disappointed and there's moments when she lost her will to fight, so there's stoic moments for her character.
Not only you and SSK know about that, but the other viewers also know.
So yes, SSK TRIED to portray BY character development but FAILED.
Because when SSK tried to portray stoic character, she often seems dull like a living statue or blank paper.
There's no depth in her acting, that's why people give critics.
Let's compare to Kim Myung Min. When he portrayed stoic moments of JDJ, he still successfully gave acting depth so viewers could feel what inside his character.
There's one moment when JDJ must stayed in prison and waited for his execution, he must also lost his fighting spirit that time. And Kim Myungmin must portrayed that moment by doing nothing yet he should make viewers feel his character depth.
What KMM did was just sitting in the dark and said nothing, but viewers praised his acting because they can deeply feel JDJ's pain.
That's what make Kim Myungmin a great actor. He can portray his character depth via his eyes acting, facial expressions or body language.
Unfortunately, SSK doesn't have that capability. So when she tried to portrayed stoic moments, she seems like a living statue. There's no depth in her acting and viewers couldn't feel anything watching her on screen.
You're too busy using your brain to compare with psych theories to make SSK acting seems on point, but you forget to use your heart to feel her acting depth.
It becomes clear that you're the one who failed to understand the importance of relation between character development and acting depth.
And you don't even try to understand that SSK acting has no depth because you're too blinded with your love to her. Or maybe you're the only one who can feel it but other viewers failed. lol
If that kind of 'living statue' stoic acting has considered as awesome as per Kdrama standard, I would definitely leave Kdrama world and move to other drama industry with better acting quality.
And if that's your personal level standard of incredible acting, I will not wasting my time anymore to reply you to make you at least understand why the viewers gave critics about SSK acting skill.
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41 Izzy
February 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM
Both Sam Bong and Po Eun made mistakes in picking their kings.
Both Lee Seung Gye and King Gongyang are not suitable to be kings.
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Thelady
February 17, 2016 at 9:22 PM
LSG is a very reluctant King
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Izzy
February 17, 2016 at 10:21 PM
That's why I don't blame him on his decision to choose the youngest son to be the crown prince. He's that kind of person.
King Gongyan is very reluctant to sit on the throne to.
It's Sam Bong and Po Eun's faults to pick them. Sam Bong seems to be very good with grand visions but in details, he's not good at understanding the personality of people around him. Picking the wrong person for the job (especially when it's the top job) will ruin the whole plan regardless how hard you try.
LBW is very good at getting the right person for the job. E.g he didn't ask Moo Hyul to go with him to kill Po Eun though Moo Hyul shows that he's willing to do anything to LBW. Instead he took Young Gyo because he knows Young Gyo will get such a kind of killing done.
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I Will Goryeo You
February 17, 2016 at 11:32 PM
I second that. Eventhough LSG is the best general, he is blind about politics. He is desperately clinging to Sambong in making decision.
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42 Fifi
February 18, 2016 at 12:33 AM
Great recap as always Heads ♥ ( I think SSK is the Kristen Stewart of Korea, so I totally agree with your opinion ♥♥)
Anyway, I am just curious bout something, I hope someone can help me with it, and it might sound stupid but bear with me.. :D
About the Sambong / JDJ character.. he seems like a loner in the crowd, did he ever get married but I somehow missed his wife or sth? What abt kids and family? (In the show and in history)
Hope someone can clear me about this. TIA.
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Laura
February 18, 2016 at 4:11 AM
Yes, he had a wife and children. Lady Choi (Jeong Do Jeon’s wife) carried the more traditional role of a wife.
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Fifi
February 18, 2016 at 6:35 PM
Thanks @ Laura :)
So I take it he's married in the drama but the writers simply decided not to focus at her at all bcoz she's not involved the politic..
(Geniuses can be pretty emotionless so I guess that explains his actions lately)
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Kiara
February 18, 2016 at 5:16 AM
Sambong had only one wife in history (Lady Choi) and no concubine. He had 2 sons if I remember correctly.
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Kiara
March 5, 2016 at 6:41 AM
Correction, he had 4 sons and only 1 shown briefly in this drama so far.
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