Six Flying Dragons: Episode 12
by HeadsNo2
Oh, how I love to love this show. I would write it a sonnet if I knew how to write sonnets, or a song, or maybe even some slam poetry. Fortunately I know how to write none of those things, but it’s the thought that counts when it comes to truly great episodes of television like this. But unfortunately for Bang-won, his pain is our gain as viewers. Go on, Jung Do-jeon, teach him more hard-earned lessons about life. We can take it.
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EPISODE 12 RECAP
In front of the dodang assembly, Officer Nam, the man appointed to head the investigation into the tax revenue rumors, promises that he’ll continue his investigation in light of the letter found, and will interrogate Bang-won until he gets a confession.
Meanwhile, Jung Do-jeon feels pretty confident that Lee In-gyeom will do his best to make the letter incriminating Lee Seong-gye as the orchestrator of Baek Yoon’s death go away, since he’ll be far too afraid to take the great general and his even greater army on. And if he isn’t afraid, the other ministers will be.
Cue the other ministers shaking in their boots at the thought of investigating the general who just achieved victory over Hobaldo (also spelled Hubadu), chief of the Jurchens. Instead of the bloodlust they displayed earlier, now they’re all critical of the fact that the letter found in Bang-won’s room has neither his name or his father’s name on it.
They can’t use an anonymous letter for evidence, they claim, because that’d be wrong. Jung Do-jeon’s plan works flawlessly to distract the dodang away from the border plan, which understandably infuriates Lee In-gyeom.
Bang-won is confronted with the letter found in his room, recognizing the contents as the one he read in the New Joseon Cave. All hope seems to leave him as he suspects Jung Do-jeon planted the letter because he wants him dead, though he’s saved from more crippling torture when the order comes down to release him. No one’s willing to prosecute Lee Seong-gye as Baek Yoon’s killer when he’s just fought off an invasion.
Gil Tae-mi thinks that Lee In-gyeom forged the letter, but can’t figure out why he’d accuse Lee Seong-gye of murder unless he was planning to go to war with him. Minister Hong has to tell him that he suspects it wasn’t Lee In-gyeom’s scheme, but they’re interrupted when news of Jukryong’s return with Bang-woo reaches them.
Lee In-gyeom is left blaming “The Shadow” for switching out the letter he planted, with Cho-young just as confounded as he is. Even though Lee put a stop to Bang-won’s interrogation, she worries that Officer Nam is too stubborn to actually heed the order.
Everyone’s under the impression that he and Officer Nam are practically enemies, and that worked in Lee In-gyeom’s favor when it came to appointing him to the investigation. But he proves to Cho-young that the opposite is true when he opens a trapdoor to a secret corridor, revealing Officer Nam disguised in a woman’s jangot.
So they’ve been in cahoots this whole time, which renews Cho-young’s faith in Lee In-gyeom’s cleverness. Together, they begin to suspect that it’s actually Jung Do-jeon operating behind the scenes, since the last time Lee was tricked like he was with the letter, he was tricked by Jung Do-jeon.
Bang-woo brings Jukryong to his meeting with Minister Hong and Gil Tae-mi, announcing his family’s plan to do whatever it takes to rescue Bang-won. While everyone but Minister Hong gets distracted in the search to track down the man Cho-young used to plant the letter, Hong wonders why there’s been no word from Jung Do-jeon.
Cho-young sends one of her female warriors to kill the man they used, but she’s stopped before she can carry out the deed by the men Jukryong & Co. have sent to question him.
She chases the man called YAK SAN into the street and hurls a dagger straight for his heart, only for Bang-woo to jump in and deflect it with his sword. Then he faces off against the amazon.
Bang-won may not be getting his knees crushed or his skin burnt, but he’s still been deprived of food, water, and sleep for the past three days. This makes him perfectly vulnerable for the lie Officer Nam proceeds to tell him about his father having gone missing after being badly defeated by Hobaldo. He’s presumed dead.
Poor Bang-won can’t believe that his father and his great army were defeated, and the shock (along with the exhaustion) causes him to pass out. Officer Nam’s plan is to sap Bang-won of all hope so that he’ll make a confession, that way they don’t have to torture it out of him and probably kill him in the process.
All this maniachal scheming is undercut by a sound coming from the ground… and Lee In-gyeom realizes with dawning horror that Bang-won’s snoring. Hah. But what worries him is how Bang-won can sleep after finding out what should be soul-shattering news.
Since no one’s told Bang-woo that Officer Nam isn’t to be trusted, Bang-woo brings Yak San to him hoping for a fair investigation, since he already confessed to planting the letter in Bang-won’s room. And of course Officer Nam hears his confession in the torture chamber before warning him to never repeat it if he wants to live.
He reports this to a concerned Lee In-gyeom, which is how Minister Hong and Gil Tae-mi find them. Lee In-gyeom is doing his best to cover his tracks, but there’s no doubt that Minister Hong suspects him and Officer Nam of foul play.
Since Bang-woo agreed to take in Moo-hyul’s family, Moo-hyul presents his small village of siblings to him. I love Moo-hyul’s straight reaction to Bang-woo’s curiosity about the sheer number of them: “Yes, our family is blessed.” It’s even funnier when all his siblings introduce themselves in order, since their names all correspond with a number starting from one. I guess to help keep track, which, hah.
Former Master Hong gladly introduces himself with the children, much to Moo-hyul’s displeasure at having him count himself as part of his family. Only then does he find out about Bang-won’s plight, and blames himself for not being around to protect him. He wants to help in order to earn his family’s keep, but Young-kyu makes it seem like they’ve got it all under control.
Acting on Jung Do-jeon’s plan to save Bang-won, Boon-yi delivers a secret letter to the taffy salesman in the market, who she’s not supposed to act like she knows. That’s difficult when he’s one of the ahjusshis from her village (now gainfully employed thanks to Bang-won’s request), but he slips her a letter hidden in taffy which she passes off to a mysterious man in a back alley.
Jung Do-jeon chows down on rice a kindly Gab-boon gives him while asking innocuous questions about what she and Bang-ji do as professional storytellers. Thinking that Jung Do-jeon is just some poor nobody, Gab-boon is shocked when Bang-ji grabs him by the collar and all but throws him out.
“Did I not warn you that I might kill you if I saw you again?” Bang-ji grits. But then his tone softens as he tells Jung Do-jeon that he’s going to try and forget about him, and that Jung should do the same. (Aww, don’t break up!) Yet even Yeon-hee wonders why he can’t stop coming to see Bang-ji, to which Jung Do-jeon stoically replies, “I have an answer to give him.”
Back in the New Joseon Cave, Jung Do-jeon isn’t at all as worried as Yeon-hee is about Lee Seong-gye possibly coming to the capital, knowing that he’d want to negotiate with Lee In-gyeom first to prevent total bedlam. He also reminds Yeon-hee that while he promised to save Bang-won, he never said he’d fix everything for him.
Bang-won acted on his own by incurring his father’s rage and by meeting with Minister Hong in secret, which led to his arrest by Lee In-gyeom. “He will come to learn that all the words he loudly proclaimed were all for nothing,” he says, adding that the isolation will strip Bang-won down to his core.
And should he choose to not give up when there’s nothing left of him but desolation and hopelessness, he’ll learn the true meaning of responsibility. But that’s something Bang-won has to do on his own—or not, if he can’t handle the pressure.
Indeed, Bang-won despairs in his prison cell, wondering if his actions led to his father’s death on the battlefield. This is what Officer Nam and Lee In-gyeom are counting on, but they’ve got a problem in Yak San’s continuing existence.
Yak San is also Team Hong’s only hope to win against Lee In-gyeom, though the normally effervescent Gil Tae-mi gets lost in thought as he remembers having Officer Nam show him the letter found in Bang-won’s room. Worse yet, he keeps mum about it, which means he must be onto something serious.
Lee In-gyeom wants to get rid of Yak San without looking suspicious, and makes it so that Yak San can stage an escape… only for Officer Nam to shoot him down with an arrow. It’s less suspicious that way, but Minister Hong isn’t fooled.
Team Hong thinks they’ve lost their last hope with Yak San’s death, but Gil Tae-mi offers another lead: he’d asked to copy the letter found in Bang-won’s room so he could study the handwriting. Since a warrior’s fighting style can be seen in his brushstrokes, Gil Tae-mi knows that the mysterious swordsman he encountered authored the letter. It’s not a fake.
Which means that Lee In-gyeom was behind the secret swordsman (aka Bang-ji) if he got him to write a letter for him. Of course, he doesn’t know that the letter they found isn’t the one Lee In-gyeom wanted them to find. But he’s also able to tie Bang-ji to Baek Yoon’s death and the fight at Biguk Temple by asking Jukryong to replicate the duel he had with him there.
Lee In-gyeom is satisfied knowing that Lee Seong-gye will have to negotiate with him to save his son, and he plans to make the general withdraw the border plan and end his alliance with Minister Hong. In the meantime, he’ll keep interrogating Bang-won in the hopes that he’ll reveal who “The Shadow” is working behind him.
Officer Nam thinks Bang-won is about to crack, and presses him to answer whether he answers to Jung Do-jeon. But Bang-won simply asks Nam to tell him again how his father died. And it becomes clear from the moment he asks that he doesn’t believe a word coming from Officer Nam’s mouth.
But it’s when Officer Nam tells him that his father died during the siege that Bang-won really knows, and fearlessly tells his tormenter that his father has never led a siege in over one hundred and fifty battles.
Moreover, if Hobaldo had defeated his father’s army, the capital would’ve been invaded within three days. Officials like Nam wouldn’t have the leisure time to spend torturing a prisoner if that were the case, and Bang-won cracks a smile as he tells him:
“You will never be able to make me surrender. You will not be able to learn a single thing from me. Why? Because I know war, and you do not. Do you know what war is? War ultimately means killing people. I started a war when I was twelve. I, Lee Bang-won!”
Now, even when Officer Nam pulls a sword on him, Bang-won has nothing to fear. He can’t be broken, and Nam knows it. Not only does Bang-won fly in the face of Lee In-gyeom’s plans, but his father does too, by paying a very unexpected visit to Lee In-gyeom’s house. He’s still in the same bloodstained armor he wore in his fight against Hobaldo, having not taken even the smallest breather between that war and this one.
Lee Seong-gye cuts right to the chase and doesn’t ask, but tells Lee In-gyeom to release his son. The minister asks if he would withdraw his border plan, to which the great general replies that if he’d come to negotiate, he wouldn’t have set his bow on the table between them. This. Is. Awesome.
Lee In-gyeom attempts to bring him in line by reminding him that he swore loyalty to him once, which Lee Seong-gye doesn’t deny. But he’s no longer afraid when the minister threatens to reveal his betrayal of Jo So-saeng, because his fear of losing his son trumps that. “Honor is the most important thing in a man’s life!” he bellows, adding that he held himself to a high standard of honor so he could protect his people.
But Lee In-gyeom crossed a line he shouldn’t have crossed by daring to threaten his own flesh and blood, his own child. And he is pissed. Lee In-gyeom attempts to intimidate him into backing down by having the guards flanking him draw their swords, but Lee Seong-gye already has an arrow waiting for his bow.
With a collected voice that could only come from a man who’s fought in countless battles (and won), Lee Seong-gye tells the minister and his guards that there’s a common misconception about the bow and arrow being a long distance weapon.
He assures them it isn’t for him, and tells the guards that no matter how fast they move, they won’t be able to prevent Lee In-gyeom from taking an arrow to the heart. Yeah, I’d probably listen to the guy still covered in the blood of his enemies.
The two men spend a few long moments waiting to see if the other will act, until Lee In-gyeom finally motions for his guards to stand down. Lee Seong-gye orders that his son be released by morning before leaving.
It comes as a surprise to Jung Do-jeon that Lee Seong-gye paid a visit to Lee In-gyeom with only Ji-ran as his escort, and he’s desperate to try and meet the general while he’s in the capital. Luckily, a wide-eyed Shin-jeok comes to the cave with an urgent visitor—it’s Lee Seong-gye, disguised as a commoner.
A very angry Lee In-gyeom wants to take advantage of the fact that Lee Seong-gye is alone in the capital (as opposed to bringing his private army with him), and mandates that the dodang call for his arrest in the morning for the murder of Baek Yoon. That means they’ll have to get Bang-won to confess tonight, one way or the other.
Lee Seong-gye starts off his conversation with Jung Do-jeon by telling him he doesn’t want to create a new nation with him, and that he’s only concerned with protecting his people. Jung Do-jeon, a little cockily, asks why he came to the capital alone if that was all he wanted to do, and why he visited him in his cave.
Of course, Lee Seong-gye said he came to save Bang-won. But when Jung Do-jeon asks if that’s all he came to do, the general surprises him by stoically announcing that he’ll go into politics in order to protect his people. He wants a voice in the dodang, and now calls upon the promises Jung Do-jeon made to him before.
Did he not say he’d serve him as his master and act as his advisor, and if so, does he have a plan to save Bang-won? Jung Do-jeon takes all this in for a moment, but Lee Seong-gye doesn’t have a moment to spare: “Do you have a plan or not?!” “Of course I have a plan,” Jung Do-jeon responds easily.
In the wee hours of the morning, Bang-won is taken away from the prison with a burlap sack over his head. In the meantime, Gil Tae-mi follows up on a lead from Jukryong to find the most famous storyteller in the capital, hoping he’ll find the mysterious swordsman.
Bang-ji comes down to greet him in his trademark(?) mask and face paint, acting flamboyant and loud and every part a professional actor, not a highly skilled swordsman. But when Gil Tae-mi asks if he can remove his mask, all Bang-ji can do is swallow nervously.
At the dodang’s morning assembly, Lee In-gyeom acts like he believes all the suspicion surrounding Lee Seong-gye is nonsense, buuuut in order to prove how nonsensical it is, he’ll need to arrest the general for a thorough investigation. “You don’t need to arrest him!” Jung Mong-joo declares. “Because he’s here, now.”
The doors open to reveal Lee Seong-gye in ministerial garb, and he stares down Lee In-gyeom before addressing the assembly. He proclaims that the letter found in his son’s room was fabricated, and much to Lee In-gyeom’s surprise, he has proof. He calls in Bang-woo, who brings… Yak San? Alive?
Cut to the burlap sack being lifted off Bang-woo’s head, only for him to come face to face with Jung Do-jeon. What.
Now all the pieces start coming together. In a flashback, we see that it was Jung Do-jeon who asked Jung Mong-joo to recommend Officer Nam to head the investigation, knowing Lee In-gyeom would feel safe using someone (he thought was) under his control.
Everything was carefully orchestrated, even Yak San getting shot by Officer Nam’s arrow—he wore armor underneath his clothes, and Moo-hyul and Young-kyu were there to catch him under Bang-woo’s watch. What’s more is that the man Boon-yi traded correspondence with in the alley was none other than Officer Nam. (“Are your minds still in your freaking skulls?!” asks the show.)
Bang-won is just figuring out that Officer Nam was working under Jung Do-jeon, but at least Nam’s report on him is good, since he never once caved and revealed Jung’s name. Jung Do-jeon introduces the two of them, and it’s revealed that he and Officer Nam are as close as brothers.
Officer Nam is introduced to the audience as a revolutionary comrade of Jung Do-jeon’s who stays with him till the end, but it’s a little tough for Bang-won to suddenly act friendly with the man who brought him so much suffering.
Bang-won wonders why Jung Do-jeon wouldn’t have just killed him to achieve his goals, unable to believe that Jung could’ve been moved by plain ole empathy. But Jung Do-jeon, now much warmer and friendlier to him, tells him that’s not the case.
“Apart from one thing. I decided to place my bets on that. That you are still young. Because you still have a chance. That is what I placed my bets on.” Bang-won is elated, but covers it up by asking why Jung Do-jeon wouldn’t have gotten rid of a rebel like him while he was still young and easier prey.
Jung Do-jeon grabs him by his collar and tells him that this is what it means to be young, but that he’ll nip any bad kind of thinking in the bud (or more literally, grab it by the roots and pull). “From now on, call me your teacher,” Jung Do-jeon throws over his shoulder as he walks away.
Bang-won smiles.
COMMENTS
If I thought Bang-won had his moments to shine before, then he was practically blinding here. That moment when Jung Do-jeon admitted to putting faith in him hit us in the heart as triumphantly as if Bang-won had emerged from battle doing a slo-mo hero’s walk. To see his face light up the way it did was just the cherry on top of the ice cream sundae that was Yoo Ah-in’s pitch-perfect performance this hour.
It’s always a struggle whether to mention the actors playing the characters or just the characters themselves, since discussing the acting does take us out of the action and into the production side of things a bit more. At the same time, it feels like it would be remiss not to mention that there are some mind-blowing performances happening on our screens in favor of discussing the characters in the world they live in. So I see no compelling reason to not just do both, since this is the kind of show that has little to fear from being scrutinized from multiple angles. It just knows it’s good. (Although an extra thousand candles in the New Joseon Cave wouldn’t hurt.)
But if perfect twists are always the ones that surprise us with how much sense they make, we really couldn’t be in better hands. Just when you think things are going one way, you can trust Jung Do-jeon to have inception’d a plan within a plan within another greater plan—and even still, the revelation regarding his orchestration of Bang-won’s torture down to the man carrying out the gruesome task came as the best kind of shock. To know that Jung Do-jeon had Lee In-gyeom under control this whole time without him even suspecting it was pure gold, but I wonder if Jung Do-jeon will ever be able to pull one like it on our curmudgeonly minister again. Wait, who am I kidding? Of course he will.
Likewise, Bang-won may have been down and out (and bleeding, and hungry, and exhausted), but his wits never once left him. Lee In-gyeom may not have been pulling all the shots he thought he was in that interrogation room, but at no point did it seem like Officer Nam was ever giving Bang-won a break. Jung Do-jeon wasn’t joking about letting Bang-won learn what responsibility meant while he had only his pain to keep him company, and now we know why he wasn’t at all concerned about Bang-won dying in the process. He knew it was going to hurt, he knew that whatever happened in that room could potentially break Bang-won for life, but he also knew that if Bang-won passed, he’d not only be a better version of himself, but also a better ally.
There was a strange kind of likeness in the journey Bang-won took as compared to his father’s, especially in the way that both of them ended up facing and overcoming some of their worst fears. It was like Bang-won came to believe in his father again, and all he needed was the chance to realize it—and that’s without him even knowing what his father was doing to save him, which helped us to believe in him too. Lee Seong-gye: a badass among badasses.
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1 mary
November 12, 2015 at 3:22 AM
Awwwwwwww... Teacher!
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JanuaryBlues
November 12, 2015 at 4:58 PM
Can anyone confirm if Jung Do Jeon and Lee Bang Won was indeed Teacher and Student.
Gosh it's actually heart breaking for me to know that LBW would eventually kill his teacher. If JDJ was really his teacher that's like committing a great sin since teachers those days are regarded on a level as important as one parents no?
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Nat
November 13, 2015 at 9:37 AM
I don't know if they were teacher and student, but they did work together to overthrow the government. Knowing what will happen to JDJ makes me think that JDJ should have killed Bang Wong when he had the chance. He let him live, and will regret it. That Bang Won, even as a kid, is a real devil (I mean the character). I see nothing but pure evil in him, except when he's with Boon Yi of course.
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I Will Goryeo You
November 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM
How did an evil become a great king? History recorded that King Taejong (Lee Bang Won) was one of the best kings of Joseon.
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Kiara
November 14, 2015 at 10:26 AM
Mass murdering people like his younger brothers, in-laws, your son's in-laws, revered scholars like Jung Mong-ju, and generals who were loyal to their country like Choi Young was evil.
He was a bloodthirsty tyrant but still manage to run the country well.
Kiara
November 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM
It's not a surprise that he turned out to be a very capable king when it comes to advancing the country. He was the most talented in all of Seong-gye's children. Well educated, and a capable military leader (brain and military power).
He didn't trust people around him even his own family. He was always suspicious. He appointed a prime minister and yet he did most of his responsibilities.
Best thing that he left behind was his son Sejong the Great. The best king Joseon ever had.
I Will Goryeo You
November 14, 2015 at 6:27 PM
@Kiara "Mass murdering people like his younger brothers, in-laws, your son’s in-laws, revered scholars like Jung Mong-ju, and generals who were loyal to their country like Choi Young was evil." IMO, what he did was his best option at the turbulence time hundred years ago in the newborn dynasty. Of course it was a dreadful thing if we look at it through the modern day's perspective, but it was the situation we cannot imagine that led to the urgency of his decision to execute them. However, the decision at the time gave positive impact to the modern Korea. I don't think we can justify his action as "evil" like everything is black and white.
King Taejong (Yi Bang Won) was one of the BEST rulers in Korean history despite being ruthless and cruel. As little Bang Won said that goodness is one thing and justice is another, I think great king is different from virtuous king. You can be virtuous but incapable. You can be vicious but great.
King Taejong was the latter, and his son King Sejong was a rare ruler who was virtuous, capable, and great at the same time. I think it is hard to tell which of the two is better. They met the demand of their times respectively. In the chaotic situation of the late Goryeo and the early Joseon, a cold-blooded ruler with an iron fist like Yi Bang Won was a better fit. Under King Sejong the Great, Joseon enjoyed a period of peace and prosperity, which was built on the bloody road paved by his father.
I recall King Taejong told King Sejong in his dead bed, "My son, it is raining. I'll shoulder all the evil deeds by myself, so please be a great king. No more bloody deeds."
Kiara
November 14, 2015 at 7:25 PM
I get your point :). This is just my opinion so don't take it at truth.
History was written by the winners! I'll read it and then question it.
Jung Do-jeon's accomplishments were recently brought to light by present day historians or he would still be on the history crap list.
Taejong called his own actions evil and yes he was a great king.
Kiara
November 14, 2015 at 10:43 AM
Jung Do-jeon was Bang-seok's teacher. I'm not sure about Bang-won since he was a student at Sungkyunkwan while Jung Do-jeon was in exile.
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2 dkaoru
November 12, 2015 at 3:28 AM
Thanks for the recap! Love this episode!
Fave moments:
1) Lee Seong Gye with the arrow to Lee In gyeom's heart - that was awesome.
2) The reveal that it's all part of Jung Do Jeon's plan -- and here I was thinking, how in the world are they gonna break him out of prison.. naive me. This makes you wonder just how many more men of Jung Do Jeon's are hiding in the enemies camp. It's like they're Jung do jeon's sleeper cells.
So far am loving this show. There's one thing that bugged me though, I'm not sure I buy the whole Gil Tae Mi can identify the swordsman based on his handwriting. Really? I feel this was too much of a stretch. I can accept more readily he can identify the swordsman based on his martial arts, like how he asked the monk to re-enact the fight. This made more sense to me. The handwriting thing was a bit weird.
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dukdam
November 12, 2015 at 3:33 AM
The Gil Tae Mi swordfight didn't make sense to me as well, but who cares when we get to watch his dual sword thing!
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 3:41 AM
The sword-fight makes much more sense than knowing the handwriting.
Because its mostly muscle memory. Both of them copied the movie BJ did against them and what they did to counter attack him. Its like sparring, he did this and he did that. Then its easy to see same person fought them with the same moves.
There is only a finite moves you can make with a sword just like there is only few ways you can box, kick in a fight.
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 10:25 AM
In those days, fighting style and skills can reveal a fighter's teacher. Since they are trying to find his identity, I think it makes a lot of sense.
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 1:38 PM
"..how many more men of Jung Do-Jevon are hiding in the enemies camp..."
Jung Do-Joon has friends and allies in high and low places at his disposal lol. That's why trust is very important to him. If people trust him they'll put their life on the line for his plan to succeed.
He may look like a homeless wanderer but he has earned his close friend's trust, the sadaebu scholars' trust and government officials like Hong and Jung-mong-joo etc before he was exiled.
Now we can add General Seong-gye, his family,army and the other dragons to his friend list lol.
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shirayukihime
January 15, 2016 at 6:47 PM
Yeah.. if he trust people, he should have told the LEE family about his plan of excluding them from politics and make them as a decoration...I know it's just that he doesn't know if they will cooperate..but the most important here is trust and loyalty....he just betrayed everyone...he will their power and throw them away after Joseon was founded.. No wonder he was eager to kill BW.. BW whol helped his father founded the Josoen but wanted to be killed by JDJ
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shirayukihime
January 15, 2016 at 6:50 PM
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JanuaryBlues
November 12, 2015 at 4:45 PM
That hand writing thing does sound outrageous but for someone like me who are into Wuxia (Chinese martial arts and sorcery stuff) novels and movies a lot, its a pretty normal explanation. It's something that are mentioned a lot in Wuxia. Something to do with the way a Swordman handle his sword and a pen brush. I dont know if it's true though LOL
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WickedBiccie
November 13, 2015 at 3:18 AM
In those days, in China, and so I'm guessing in Korea as well, highly trained swordsmen practiced calligraphy because it improved their wristwork.
I'm not too sure how this translates to their handwriting, but I suppose that that is the theory that Gil Tae Mi is operating under.
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3 dukdam
November 12, 2015 at 3:31 AM
This drama is so awesome.
It's like a Shakespearean play on the foundation of the Joseon Yi dynasty in the style of Richard III and performed by the Korean version of Ken Branagh and others.
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dkaoru
November 12, 2015 at 4:47 AM
hahahah what a good way to put it
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Crystal
November 12, 2015 at 12:57 PM
The gravitas of Lee Seong Gye (Cheon Ho Jin) was so mesmerizing. The quietness of his threat was deafening. I came for Yoo Ah In, but I'm staying because the show is amazing.
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JanuaryBlues
November 12, 2015 at 4:50 PM
@ Crystal
Cheon Ho Jin was so badass as General Lee Seong Gye in almost every scene he was in. Such a great actor. Choi Jong Won as Lee In Gyum was equally annoying. I am like you as well, came for YAI, but i cant stay away because the show is amazing.
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4 Sun
November 12, 2015 at 3:34 AM
"(“Are your minds still in your freaking skulls?!” asks the show.)"
No. I'd totally lost it. Wait, anyone kind enough to remind me when did Bang-woo and Jung Do-jeon meet to plot for Bang-won's rescue?
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 3:45 AM
They prolly met after LSG joined JDJ in the cave and asked him to save Bang Won. Shin-Jeok is also the go to the guy between LSG/Bang Woo and JDJ side.
Of course they cant show the scene with them planning the rescue, faking Yak's death, LSG present him to Dodang. All the twist, mystery is gone then ;)
LSG is JDJ master now, they are on the same team. JDJ is the spymaster of their side now.
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kylar0908
November 12, 2015 at 3:59 AM
I believe it is Shin Jeok who liaisons between the Bang Woo and JDJ behind the scene. After all, he always acted in that role one way or the other in the drama.
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Sun
November 12, 2015 at 4:07 AM
Now that I'd reread the recap to refresh my memory, maybe it's when Bang-woo sent Yak San to Officer Nam? Officer might told Bang-woo his real alliance since Bang-woo is Bang-won's brother.
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5 Ella
November 12, 2015 at 3:56 AM
Am just enjoying this show.Thank you soo much for the recap.I love ma Yoo Ah In Oppa acting soo much how can he snore after all the torture lols.
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6 crazyahjummafan
November 12, 2015 at 4:02 AM
I love the Lee family men!!! From Lee Seong gye to his brother and sons, especially Bang won!
I don't know how true to the real life characters they are, but LSG has trained his sons well and must be a very good leader for his brother to be so loyal to him. No sibling rivalry here and among his sons.
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Anon3333
November 12, 2015 at 4:13 AM
But... in history, afeter their father became king, bangwon killed his potential political rivals after his father did not chose him as heir.. but thats then, and for now they're still good bros.. bangwoo is going to die just a bit after their father became king
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I Will Goryeo You
November 12, 2015 at 4:59 AM
Bang Won killed 2 half-brothers from Lee Seong Gye's second wife. He and his brothers of the same mother didn't kill each other. But the first son Bang Woo had a conflict with him regarding who had to be the crown prince, so Bang Won sent his big bro to exile, not killed him.
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I Will Goryeo You
November 12, 2015 at 5:07 AM
Correction: Sorry, I meant Bang Won will have a conflict with Bang Gan later and Bang Won will send Bang Gan to exile (not Bang Woo because Bang Woo will die because of sickness).
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Anon3333
November 12, 2015 at 7:36 AM
Yeah.. i know that... that's what i meant when i said that bangwoo going to die. He actually even had bangwan king.. and well, even though those he killed are his half bros that doesn't really change the fact that while they're like this now being against those power greed people, they too, will become like those people, but well, that politics, back thenmand now, no matter what country
Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 1:43 PM
Bang-gwa was put on the throne by his father.
Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 6:00 AM
Thats a very important correction because alot of brothers was rivals for power in Goryeo, Joseon but they usually had only the father the king in common and for some reasons when they have same mother its harder to kill of a brother as an enemy. The mothers usually took care of their own children, easier to kill a brother who grew up with another mother in another house, palace.
A king could have 8-15 sons but rarely by the same mother. Half brother is more natural enemy for crown prince fighting.
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 10:57 AM
The older Lee boys (6 of them) from Seong-gye's first wife Lady Han (future Queen Sinui) were all legitimate heirs to the throne but their mother died before thei father took the throne so she wasn't around to offer advice or fight for her boys.
Lady Kang, Seong-gye's 2nd wife (future Queen Sindeok) had 2 boys who were the youngest out of 8. Her youngest son Bangseok became the crown prince because he was his father and Jung Do-jeon's favorite so they say.
Yes, mothers are powerful. Their rank determine their sons' power. Their influence and ambition can put their sons in a position of great power etc.
Kiara
November 13, 2015 at 7:35 AM
or get them killed in this case.
7 amber
November 12, 2015 at 4:14 AM
Can someone please enlighten me as to what happened to the king? Is there no king during this time? I know that Yi Seong Gye eventually becomes king but is there no king right now as of this moment in the drama?
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nara
November 12, 2015 at 5:07 AM
The SFD production staff answered that King U (reign 1374-1388) and his son King Chang (reign 1388-1389) were not casted. Only King Gongyang (reign 1389-1392), the last ruler of the Goryeo dynasty, will appear in the drama.
(homura)
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nara
November 12, 2015 at 5:08 AM
so now its king U reign
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 5:29 AM
The so called King is pointless to this drama because the last powerful king of this dynasty was Gongmin.
Goryeo ended because the corrupt officials rule over the king. If the king was powerful, not weak, corrupt the last few king Goryeo would not have ended then.
Every viewer knows that so they dont need to show until they must show the last king who loses power.
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nara
November 12, 2015 at 5:41 AM
actually NOT every viewer the response i wrote was bc i thought that for some reason (no hair and king is dead for some reason, so the council was formed instead of a king)
since even a puppet king is usually present to keep appearances
and Homura therefore answered about the SFD production
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 5:50 AM
Every Korean viewer knows how Joseon was created, the weak last 3,4 kings of Goryeo. The people this drama is made for knows their history. Its like telling Americans who George Washington is or which European Empire was their freedom war against. Bang Won is father of creator of hangul,korean script. That guy is pretty big even without these two dramas by this team ;)
Heck even i know how Goryeo died off because of the historical dramas i have seen just as international fan. This drama, The Great Seer, Faith and many more.
For the new fans there is wiki. I have learned alot of Korean history, all the dynasties, too many details of every dynasty kings, queen, incest of early Goryeo etc because of the dramas+ wiki+google search :)
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 11:16 AM
King U was very young when In-gyeom put him on the throne. He didn't have much say in running the country until he was older.
Eventually he became Choi Young's son in law which they might mention later.
He is pretty much invisible here and I don't think it's a big deal. Our dragons needs the screen time.
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8 Anon3333
November 12, 2015 at 4:22 AM
Actually, we're only starting the main plot.. we only solved one of the firdt subplots.. the description of the drama and how the drama and characters were introduced to us before it started was that jung dojeon and bangwon are enemies and rivals in politics but they started as teacher and student.. we're only at the start....its kinda sad to think that all of our allies now will become enemies later..i kinda dont know who would i root for then.. and boonyi and bangwon are not going to end up, bangwon's future queen is not even introduced yet.. according to character intros her name is min dakyung and her actress is gong seungyeon.... they're probably really going to kill boonyi:(
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 5:25 AM
Im really glad we are only at the start point and that we have 38+ eps left. Its 5-6 years before the civil war, 9 years before end of Goryeo.
Its not sad to think our fav characters becoming enemies later its fine when they have common goal but they all want to rule, have more power when they have won the new dynasty. LSG/BW wants the complete royal power, JDJ wants to rule asa minister with power. !000 years of history has shown that struggle can only end one way.
Ghengis Khan killed his son Jochi who was the only general to ever rebel against him. Conquerors, military leaders can kill their sons why not their advisors?
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hibeautiful
November 12, 2015 at 5:43 AM
Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing: this is just the beginning into the main plot! I'm anticipating what will happen in the future episodes. It is just getting unpredictable!
Well, I guess if BY is going to be killed, that might not happen in anytime soon since she's one of the leads. But...let's see.
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 5:55 AM
I dont get why everyone is expecting predictable tragic death of Boon Yi just because she is the female lead, the lover of the maybe tyrant future Taejong. He has shown dark sides without her needing to die for him to go dark. She can just become his right hand woman royal consort, sort of a darker Dong Yi ;)
Taejong was brutal king to the ministers enemies he took complete power from, created early absolute monarchy power to the regular people he created alot of good reforms. That opened the way for his great son.
As a student of military history which focuses alot on the different views of powerful kings drama fans should remember what the scholars say about Taejong is way different than the drama villain tyrant king he is seen as in dramas like Maids. Dramas are fiction for a reason.....
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nara
November 12, 2015 at 7:32 AM
i understand that although regarded as a tyrant the ppl loved him and he did pave the way for sejong, no?
and i for one dont want BY to go dark so maybe thats why i prefer her to be dead than aider but its ok if she does go darker
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 8:25 AM
Whats dark? Killing officials to choose as the Crown Prince his youngest son and save the position of the greatest Joseon king ever?
"Following the removal of Yangnyeong as heir apparent, Taejong moved quickly to secure his youngest son's position as heir apparent. The government was purged of those officials who had disagreed with the removal of Yangnyeong. In August of 1418, Taejong abdicated in favor of Sejong. "
Sejong was the third son, the first two sons didnt want to be Crown Prince and Sejong great reign had to helped with blood, purging enemies.
BY i dont think will be involved in that. Its more like she goes down in the war against her brother, JDJ in the end of the drama....
nara
November 12, 2015 at 9:28 AM
@mohammed i agree that BY conflict will probably be between BW & DS - which ideologies to follow
but in regard to what is a good king - we do judge from the eyes of the 21th century and rightly so
the question is always would it have been worst or better if for example JDJ views for a country tobe led by scholars and not one person a king
of course from our vantage point we dont agree to an absolute ruling of ne person
and the present show us that monarchy government did not survive
Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 9:41 AM
nara:
Monarchy has ruled human history,kingdoms alot longer than non monarchy political goverment have been around. 1000s of years since the Chinese,Egyptian dynasties powerful kings have made sure their people survived. Less civilized times than our modern ones need old system of strong leader/king.
When you have Chinese invasions, Jurchens invasions, Japanese Invasions happening around you need the old feudal king system to survive military. Just look at this drama the politicians fighting each other and than fleeing the capital every invasion.
Corrupt scholars led to the end of Goryeo and corrupt scholars,politicians led to the Western,southern faction overpowering the kings even in the end of Joseon.
Anon3333
November 12, 2015 at 8:05 AM
Everyone is expecting boonyi's death because its a drama cliche. And well while you are right she doesnt need to die for bangwon to be evil because he is shown to have dark sides, most drama need a 'push' to wake those dark sidez up. Plus, since this isn't like other drama where he is the villain, and in fact the main out of the main characters, drama might not go and make him a typical bad person, they might show events that led himdo those 'bad' stuff without being really bad, and one of those is boonyi's death... and in the introduction of the characters, they said boonyi's character might love bangwon but she does not want power. Power which is what bangwon dreams of.. which kinda says she wouldn't be a dark right hand of power.. and then min dakyeon(i think..?) character was described as very ambitious woman, that even though she knows bangwon doesn't love her, she stays with him, well, because of power. The character introductions wasn't exactly that, but its basically the same...
. IF she will die it can also be because of the ambitious future queen..
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hibeautiful
November 12, 2015 at 9:20 AM
@Mohammed
Actually, I didn't expect it either before many people mentioned about it here lol. I believe BY's tragic death is just as predictable as you said. But knowing something worst can happen is better for me than knowing or expect nothing. At least, I probably won't be so taken aback when anything bad really happens.
For me, honestly, I don't want any of the dragon die. Especially when I've come to know deeper about their stories and learn to love them as characters. But, it is a kdrama ruled by its writer,so..
(off topic, but I'm such a happily-ever-after fan tho. I still remember how really sad I was when I watched the finale of Jang Ok Jung, and later, I read how the drama follows the history. urgh. If only I found it out earlier!).
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 11:26 AM
SFD is a prequel to TWDR and those that didn't make it are presumed dead by the end of this show. There was no Bong Yi in Tree or even one mention of her name.
They can make her a concubine or a made etc but she ends here.
History and TWDR are the biggest spoiler for this show.
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 11:28 AM
Gosh I hate auto correct. I meant to say maid not made.
earthna
November 12, 2015 at 1:03 PM
I guess people are assuming her death because they've seen Tree. If they are going until we see a King Sejong (please have a cameo, Song Joong Ki), it wouldn't make sense for Boon Yi to exist coz Shin Sekyung played character in Tree as well. This team also has a record of killing characters. I'd rather expect her to die and see her alive til the end than expect to see her alive and watch her get killed instead.
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Hipployta
November 12, 2015 at 2:27 PM
I'm expecting her death because the TWDR's team is mean like that...literally the only characters that HAVE to survive until the end are Lee Bang Won, Moo Hyul, and Bang Ji...everyone else is up to when they end the story because historical everyone else bites it too
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 6:02 PM
Still waiting for warrior Moo-hyul to become a dragon but I kind of understand the wait.
Bangwon's current bodyguard Jo Young-gyoo played an important role per Bangwon's order in removing the last person that stood in the way of the revolution.
Maybe he'll be killed after that and Moo-hyul will take his place.
Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 7:35 PM
Lee Shin Jeok should be alive in the end too.
Anon3333
November 12, 2015 at 7:47 AM
Not going to happen soon because while the men are rivals for power gong seungyeon and shinsekyung are fighting over yoo ahin.. just that boonyi wants bangwon only, while min wants power too.. they will have an issue, i'm guessing if boonyi's death isn't for bangwon to be evil, then its probably because of the future queen or something.. because gong seungyeon's character was introduced as a very ambitious woman.
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nara
November 12, 2015 at 9:18 AM
although i agree that BY doesnt want power i do think she want more than just BW
the future of the ppl the vision of a better place is what motivates her at least for now
and her budding love is just a bonus - but doesnt motivates her or at least she fight these feeling
the reason she gives for following BW are always bc he is a different noble who promised to make it better for the ppl
i really hope they wont make her a woman who fights over men
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 9:45 AM
I dont think that will happen first because BW adores her and second she is a strong survivor who knows her place in the world. Fighting over a man, power isnt important to her.
She feel for BW because she admired his good qualities. I like their thing because its natural, not epic love story.
I think the only problem for BW and BY is how his family, enemies will react to him being with a spy for JDJ, a servant girl that has equal place beside him. Not secret lover for Bang Won to play with. Also the trouble will be if he becomes power hungry too soon and loses her because he starts fighting his brothers for the thrones.
Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 5:31 PM
Bang-won's queen Wongyeong was a force to be reckoned with in her own right. She was well educated, comes from a powerful family etc. She helped Bangwon became king but she paid a heavy price for it.
I hope there won't be any stupid rivalry over Bangwon's affection between the two ladies. There is just no need for that. Let them contribute to the founding of the new nation in their own way.
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9 galwith_itchyfeet
November 12, 2015 at 4:30 AM
HeadsNo2 amazing recap and comment. Lol I find myself waiting to read your recap and comment.
"I would write it a sonnet if I knew how to write sonnets, or a song, or maybe even some slam poetry."---> you can dear...hehehe i believe you can....i'm such a fan of you now.
LSG for me is the best example of a person who have been pushed to it's limits.
Again Bang won is such an amazing character to watch. He shows his convictions really well.
Cute Mo hyul.
JDJ can i marry your brain? hahaha
Bang Ji love love lol I'm in love with the characters.
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10 MagMag
November 12, 2015 at 4:40 AM
I never thought historical drama can be so exciting , i originally was in it to watch Yoo Ah In but I am totally into the story now. Such clever schemes and so intense. I hope Banji will be OK, is it Banji under the mask? Could it be someone else??
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dkaoru
November 12, 2015 at 4:49 AM
I'm kinda thinking that it's not Bang Ji under this particular mask.. we'll have to wait till next week to find out
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Anon3333
November 12, 2015 at 8:07 AM
Yeah, i agree.. the voice seems confusing but thd face shape doesn't seem like him
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jane
November 12, 2015 at 12:24 PM
the person under the mask gulped strangely and was kind of nervous...he suddenly seemed like moo hyul to me
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11 I Will Goryeo You
November 12, 2015 at 5:02 AM
Huge huuuge praise to Yoo Ah In. He's awesomesauce!!
PS: About Gil Tae Mi, his character is based on a real historical figure (Yim Gyeon-Mi, the warrior who existed in the late Goryeo period). And at that time some warriors did put some make up on.
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Adal
November 12, 2015 at 5:04 PM
Gil Mi Tae is awesome as well! I love how he brings comedy to even the most serious scenes without appearing to try.
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bmw
November 14, 2015 at 4:05 PM
"He's awesomesauce"!! hahaha! I agree - I loved him in Punch and The Sungkyunkwan Scandal. How do you pronounce his name by the way...?
The actor playing the eyeshadow swordsman is great too. He does humor and drama very well. His acting is very nuanced.
I have a huge problem with his HAIR! Worst toupee ever. You can totally see that it is just plopped on his head like a helmet. The edges in the front are way too thick. Everyone has whispy hair near the face - he looks like a vampire. Don't even get me started on the back!
And I might be more convinced he was a great swordsman if I saw him practicing on a daily basis - do some stretches or sumpin'.
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I Will Goryeo You
November 14, 2015 at 6:35 PM
"I loved him in Punch and The Sungkyunkwan Scandal. How do you pronounce his name by the way…?" You mean Gil Tae Mi or the actor who plays as Gil Tae Mi~ Park Hyuk Kwon? I found him first in The Wife's Credentials and then Secret Love Affair. He played annoying characters in both dramas and I really hated him LOL~ that's because his acting was so believable. He played alongside Yoo Ah In too in Secret Love Affair. I'm happy that they reunited again in SFD and that he is playing a "likable" character for once :p
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bmw
November 15, 2015 at 7:23 AM
Oh, I meant Yoo Ah In - I have a feeling it isn't how I (American) pronounce it - with 3 distinct syllables.
PS: I love your name - cute
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12 crazyahjummafan
November 12, 2015 at 6:23 AM
Bang won is not just cunning and smart, he's scarily awesome. To be able to seduce that officer Nam was lying to him after being tortured, starved and sleep-deprived is a sign of extreme mental strength.
He is the only one who is equal to JDJ in mind games and strategy. No wonder they became enemies and rivals in the end. But I hope that the writers won't stick too closely to history. I want my six dragons and YoonHee to be a united whole taking down bad guys.
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Anon3333
November 12, 2015 at 8:09 AM
But their rivalry was suppose to be the pointbof the drama.. it is what they said when they first introduced the drama.
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13 shinmudejuve
November 12, 2015 at 6:59 AM
WOW. I wish I could give 7 stars for this episode.
Episode 12 was so intense and brilliant. Kudos to all the actors and production team.
The balance between all the mind games, action scenes, political issues, romantic and comedy were really well made. Not to mention the clever twists.
I've been an avid fan of the writers & director since Tree With Deep Roots so I wish I would have another great historical drama and they proved that this show is excellent as expected.
Not only the plot and characters are well written, but almost all the actors have great acting skills. Yoo Ahin & Kim Myungmin will never fail to impress me, and.. Byun Yohan! gosh, this man can do everything!
Even Shin Sekyung is doing well in this drama.
This show undoubtedly has excellent production team so I wish they will keep the best quality till the very end.
I know a bit about King Taejo & Taejong history so I've prepared my heart for the dark and sad ending, I can accept it.. just do it brilliantly!
Thanks to HeadsNo2 for the recap, as always. And thanks for picking XIA Junsu's 너라는 시간이 흐른다 as song of the day, the song is so, so beautiful. I have listened to it the whole day and still can't get enough of it.
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14 Shaista
November 12, 2015 at 7:18 AM
Brilliant episode!!! Lee Seong Gye is trully badass! Lee Bang Won & Jung Do Jeon too are awesome! Love ya show!
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15 mykonos
November 12, 2015 at 7:21 AM
episode was intense. i've now fully adjusted to the slow moving but very carefully laid out political manoeuvring. it's strange that although the show does the thing i hate the most in saguek (i.e. devote either a character that tell the audience how they should be reacting to a move or devote an entire piece of dialogue between characters to explaining to us what is happening) i'm not at all impatient. it's just the pace of the show.
i was grinning so hard at the end of the episode when JDJ told Bang won to call him master. clearly although i've at times been frustrated somewhat at the writing and the pacing of the show i've come to be invested in the characters. i was all but fist-pumping at that moment.
plot wise though the twist (i.e. that every single move was planned by JDJ, and the straight laced inspector was actually his compatriot all along) i felt was not well done at all. A good twist is suppose to leave the audience marvelling at all the hints we were given but not able to decipher. we were given no clue at all that the inspector was on the side of JDJ. The fake red herring that the inspector was Lee In Gyeom's person is a lame enough throwaway, let alone revealing on top of that that the inspector was in fact JDJ's person. The inspector even grinned evilly when Lee In Gyeom was doing all that politicking. i just felt that i was passively accepting this part of the plot instead of being fully engaged. This is as opposed to the earlier episode for example when the question was who killed the scholars- writers left enough clues that it was bang won then so the reveal was good.
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miilo
November 12, 2015 at 3:45 PM
I also felt that the twist was way too twisty. Oh, so this happened? If JDJ can pull off tricks like that, why´s LIG still standing? Anyway, if Lee In-gyeom will make another evil move in the future, I won´t worry too much. I´m quite sure that I´ll be told in flash-back that everything is actually OK. At least it´ll make sense afterwards.
But apart from the twisty twist I luuurved the ep!
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16 Mochi
November 12, 2015 at 8:19 AM
Hi Dramabeans, just an advice, after visitor ranking the episode, it will be better if the box is immediately disappear because clicking the x button is a chore.
I know it sounds ridiculous but it's better in user experience perspective. :)
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17 Ms ?
November 12, 2015 at 9:13 AM
Does Go Seung Yeon play a big role in this? What's her role? I'm her fan!
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hibeautiful
November 12, 2015 at 9:29 AM
She'll be BW's wife, and be the Queen.
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18 lynn
November 12, 2015 at 9:50 AM
I love this show. Actually it saved Korean tv shows for me, because lately every drama sucks. But SFD is not only superbly acted, but extremely well executed. I have to say that my favorite character is Lee In-gyeom. I don't know the actor's name but I am completely sold. He's the perfect bad guy, creepy as hell (seriously, this actor is extremely good. His nuances, even the way he moves his eyes when plotting or thinking, or well... Whatever) my sincere compliments. Kim young min is excellent, as always. Lee Seung Gye's actor as well. Yoo Ah-in is good too, but sometimes I see him I get this "over eager" vive from him that I don't know if it is the character or him. Mmm. Dunno but again Six Flying Dragons is my personal Korean Drama Supershow.
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 12:19 PM
I love Choi Jong Won (In Gyeom), he is a fantastic actor. I love the way he is playing In gyeom, the way he walks and his facial expressions etc says it all. If he doesn't have anything to say he'd be perfectly fine. He does it all with his body lol.
You should watch him in "The Great King Sejong." It's the continuation of this story in a more historically accurate version. Choi is the prime minister there during Bangwon's reign as King Taejong.
I feel the same way about YAI. Kim Myung Min is the main reason I'm watching this show. Cheon is great although he wasn't my first pick. He is always solid but I kind of wanted Kim Young Chul to play Seong Gye.
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I Will Goryeo You
November 13, 2015 at 2:52 AM
In contrast, I think Yoo Ah In plays Lee Bang Won perfectly~ A very passionate, an eager and impulsive young man, because that's Lee Bang Won's character. Yoo Ah In gives me chills on the scenes where he had a conversation with Lee Seong Gye in the tent, with Jeon Do Jun in the cave, and then in this episode where he talks with officer Nam and JDJ again. When he had a glint of tears but not fully drop in his eyes, that's the right emotion right there, it was so amazing!
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19 nara
November 12, 2015 at 10:04 AM
@mohammed ill reply here since i cant there -
first of very ominous - as a history of military student are you saying that there is a chance we will be going back to those dark times? :)
and Rome did show us different and successful governing
since there are still kings and queens ppl could have chosen to go back there through elections and voting and actually recent history shows that when ppl choose a to be in a strict totalitarian government they soon regret it, so...
and the problem with corrupt nobles that they had a puppet king support so they did it in his name
what modern governing shows is that all "nobles" ministers have to have the same amount of power and have to be elected then by exams and test
and have to be replaced
which a king is not and king are born king after the first one
so the ppl have to rely on luck alone for a good or bad government
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 2:17 PM
nara
No no i mean for our times, humans today the way we govern today is better for peaceful nations of today. But for 1300-1400s Kings,generals who conquered their way to power was the only way for people to survive in Korea of those times. Korea was a superpower of those times because they had strong kingdoms military, strong kings that even the mighty Chinese, Mongols couldnt couldnt beat over time.
Rome is the best example for my POV that we shouldnt judge ancient times, earlier times because modern standards of govering, views. Sure they had what you mean but their system was built, ruled by warrior king,emperors like Ceasar, Augustian that destroyed other peoples. They were in military history POV governed like the Mafia they killed, ruled people by sheer violence,military might. They governed because they killed millions of Gauls, other peoples.
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nara
November 13, 2015 at 5:18 AM
i see what you mean
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20 hipployta
November 12, 2015 at 10:42 AM
Such a great show but...everyone is a little sociopathic though lol
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 11:46 AM
Lol can't blame them right? They kind of have to be to survive.
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21 Franbergh II
November 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM
few times i watch korean drama with historical setting, i notice in SFD timeline (i mean the era when korea still have conection with china) the women seems treated equally, unlike the other era -the time when the costume is more like traditional korea nowdays-. in this era seems woman is just like a trophy.
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 3:19 PM
Buddhism is one reason, It promotes gender equality compared to Joseon's strict Confucian.
It has been the state religion for Goryeo and even all the way back to Shilla (3 kingdom era). A woman, even sat on the throne and ruled her country. Actually, Shilla had 3 ruling queens.
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Adal
November 12, 2015 at 5:00 PM
I wonder how different modern day Korea would've been if the state religion had remained as Buddhism instead of converting to Confucianism in the Joseon era. It seems that women had more rights, and more power in the Goryeo era compared to Joseon. But don't mind me, I am basing my conclusions on the dramas I've watched and what I read about Korea's history in Wikipedia.
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Mohammed
November 12, 2015 at 5:29 PM
Thats not much different from the real world history of nations controlled by Confucianism as their order, tradition.
Confucianism beliefs that is important for the ruling class is the strict world order that demand every class stay in their "natural" place. Of course keeping the lower classes under them meant also keeping the rights of women low under Joseon era too. A woman could never become a powerful Queen then like in Shilla then.
I have actually studied how Chinese dynasties used Confucianism to keep control of their people. It is similar post Goryeo era, under Joseon. The strict order is kept because it helps the ruling class, men in power.
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nara
November 13, 2015 at 6:06 AM
did king Sejong the great also change the "religion" or just the writing system?
bc the thing about learning to read and write that you can fight back using the laws that originally were created against you
and fight you status in life - revolutions were usually by middle class the literates
i wonder if BW since he was born in Gorgyo was more a Buddhist or a Confucius in regard to woman and life order
Kiara
November 13, 2015 at 6:50 AM
@nara
King Sejong the Great did not change the state religion. He created Hangul. Women and lower class benefit from it since only the upper class males were able to get a proper education.
Kiara
November 13, 2015 at 7:49 AM
@Adal and Mohammed
From and outsider's POV and one who doesn't fully understand Confucian, it seems to me that the ruling class of Joseon benefit most from this change. The slaves were still slaves and the lower class were still treated like dirt by the noble class. The women weren't as free to be out in public like we see in this episode. (Women mingling with men like Yeon Hee and Jung Do-jeon in the market talking to each other and enjoying some taffy).
In this drama, we see the peasants in tears, complaining about their land and harsh treatments by those in power. I'm curious if this new nation that Jung Do-jeon and Seong-gye are trying to create will ease their follower's burdens or they will forget about them once in power like every politicians out there.
nara
November 13, 2015 at 5:59 AM
so thats why they had three queens i mean in the shilla era
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Kiara
November 13, 2015 at 7:10 AM
Shilla actually had a very strict bone rank system. Queen Seon Deok's father didn't have any sons and she was the only one with royal blood on both side (seonggol).
If Shilla's state religion was Confucian, I don't think she would be able to rule.
Goguryeo up north adopted Buddhism as their state religion way before Shilla. They had no female ruler because their system was different. The throne was passed on through paternal line.
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nara
November 13, 2015 at 7:59 AM
so in Shilla passed through maternal line? WOW it is actually more logical in time where there were no paternity check
Kiara
November 13, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Shilla went with both sides. A full blooded royal father and mother.
Beverly A
November 17, 2015 at 5:11 PM
Oh, right. The Great Queen Seondeok was a magnificent depiction of a Silla queen. Still my favorite sageuk ever.
22 earthna
November 12, 2015 at 1:08 PM
Every episode I just keep on raving about how good this drama is (and how awesome my baby Moohyul is) but this time I just had to say this.
Thank you so much Heads for recapping this drama! It's always fun to read recaps because you get your thoughts together by doing so and you get to discuss ideas with other viewers as well. But, it's always a plus when you can feel how much the recapper loves the drama like you do. So, thank you Heads! Lots of love for you~~~
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23 Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 2:49 PM
I had a problem with the Jo So-sang incident from the beginning of the show and how it was used to blackmail Seong-Gye because it didn't make much freaking sense.
I'm glad to see it resolved in this episode.
I like the fact that his reason to enter politics is because of his family and his desire to protect his people.
I'm glad Seong-gye and Jung Do-Jeon finally met face to face because they do need each other. Most war heroes are lousy politicians because they are not well versed in the political arena like the scholars.
The show starts right here for me. Finally, everyone will stop dancing around the border stabilizing plan. Let's get to the real plan, the revolution.
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nara
November 13, 2015 at 6:09 AM
exactly - in war usually the fight is pretty straight forwards while politics in essence is more complicated and subtle
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24 june_rain
November 12, 2015 at 3:46 PM
Oh show, how I love thee. You are just so good to me. Another solid episode from this amazing team. I'm looking forward to the next episodes.
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25 twentyonebuds
November 12, 2015 at 4:37 PM
Heads you're recap was just the cherry on top of a fantastic episode! Such a joy to read. Thank you :)
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26 C
November 12, 2015 at 4:45 PM
I want the taffy.
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Adal
November 12, 2015 at 4:55 PM
It was Taffy? I thought that was sugar cane! Lol.
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Kiara
November 13, 2015 at 10:06 AM
mmmm love both lol.
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27 Adal
November 12, 2015 at 4:52 PM
With each successive episode, my admiration for this drama just grows. This episode was PERFECT. If only for the plot twists that no one could predict. A perfect blend of an awesome plot and awesome acting. It's really a good feeling when the good guys win. A feeling that is commonplace in Hollywood or American productions, but is sadly often absent in kdrama melos and sagueks, when the evil people continue to do evil things without having their deeds or power checked until the very end of the drama. So, for Sam Bong to defeat Lee In Gyeom multiple times in the beginning episodes of this drama is icing on cake.
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28 Lincoln Gu
November 12, 2015 at 6:07 PM
the twist didn't work for me. It seem more like a deus ex affair.
Oh well, Kim Myung-min on screen wins everything.
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29 pjk
November 12, 2015 at 8:06 PM
who is the sixth dragon?
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Kiara
November 12, 2015 at 8:12 PM
Warrior Moo-hyul.
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30 Fitri Iphiet
November 12, 2015 at 10:41 PM
this drama totally reminds me of Nirvana In Fire. not the story, but how smart the writernim made a story. so intrigue and smart...
salute!
thanks for the recap!
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31 I Will Goryeo You
November 13, 2015 at 12:07 AM
"Lee Seong-gye: a badass among badasses." Aye true that~!
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32 Kayla
November 13, 2015 at 6:35 AM
that song is the best thing to grace my ears in a looooong time.
team yeon heeXddang sae
<3
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33 john
November 13, 2015 at 7:35 AM
Heads ~
Thanks for the recap. Enjoying the show. Epic.
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34 Shaista
November 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM
I need more Lee Bang Woo on my screen ❤
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35 bmw
November 14, 2015 at 4:18 PM
HeadsNo2: thank you so much for explaining this episode to me!
While this was the best ep so far - it was the most - mostest confusing. Not only do we have double agents we seem to have quadruple agents. Who's on who's side? Who do we trust? And even who's who? In lieu of Cliff Notes these recaps help me big time!
"Although an extra thousand candles in the New Joseon Cave wouldn’t hurt." HAHAHA I know right? Is there a Candles Are Us store at the Goryeo mini mall? Everyone has candles!
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36 sam
November 14, 2015 at 7:00 PM
lee seong gye is to blame for the first and second strife of prince . If he has chosen one of his first wife son as crown prince noone of this would have happen. He has chosen the son he favored not the son he felt was best for the kingdom and he pay for it
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Kiara
November 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM
Exactly! It was his father who made the decision to crown the youngest.
I don't blame Bang-won for being angry. I think if Queen Sinui (Bang-won's mother) was still alive, she would fight for her boys.
Palace life is no fairytale. Sometimes I pity for the royals in those days.
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37 Franbergh II
November 15, 2015 at 4:10 AM
am i the only one who fell hard for lee ji ran?? that scene in LIG's house when LJR just standing in front of 8 men who ready to jump at him. that is super epic!!! >.<
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Kiara
November 15, 2015 at 5:26 AM
No you are not alone. I thought he was pretty hawt since episode 7. Even better when you know that he did exist in history.
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Franbergh II
November 16, 2015 at 6:24 AM
What is his rank in LSG's army?
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earthna
November 18, 2015 at 8:44 PM
He's also called General in the drama. I wasn't sure about real history.
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38 sora
November 15, 2015 at 7:30 AM
jiran is so hot.....i like him. he is coolet in this drama
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sora
November 15, 2015 at 7:30 AM
coolest
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39 baeri
November 15, 2015 at 10:39 PM
I will still follow this show even after i found about this show being 50 episodes long bc of everything -the plot, the cast, the editting.
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40 Beverly A
November 17, 2015 at 5:41 PM
This drama has me thoroughly hooked. I'm even reading up on the era in my spare time.
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41 keiru
November 18, 2015 at 4:45 PM
Glad to know that Officer Nam is on Jung Do Jeon's side, I kinda like his character so I hope he wil get more screen time..hehe
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42 Tresna
November 18, 2015 at 8:31 PM
Damn. This episode is killing me. I usually came to Dramabeans to get a better understanding of the drama since it's always been hard to understand it if you didn't familiar with Korean history (I'm from Indonesia). So, I wanted to personally thanking you, HeadsNo2 (did I spell your username correctly?) for the beautiful review and great insight of this show. The way you wrote this review really2 shed me the light in following it without getting lost of the big picture. All the comment also a great help.
I made a promise to myself that I will never, ever, ever again in love or admire or worship any character from any drama since Game of Throne and The Walking Dead buried all my favorites in the deepest of hell. But Six Flying Dragon, I fell in love with all the Dragons and terrified that according to history they will ended up killing each other.
I do hope that I will see a different end for Boon Yi (who all presumed end up dead).
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43 Diane
November 30, 2015 at 2:27 PM
AWARD TIME! I played Yoo Ah-in's performance of the confrontation with his Interrogator 3 times. What an amazing piece of work! If he doesn't get an award for that, I can't imagine why.
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