Thing vs. Thing: High school hell
by javabeans
javabeans: So, with two dramas recently airing that were set in high school (Who Are You—School 2015 and Angry Mom), dealt with gritty topics, and had secret identities in play, it makes you wonder…
girlfriday: Which school had the worst bullies? Which teacher perpetrated the most morally egregious abuse of power? Which school had the cutest uniforms?
javabeans: If by cutest you mean shortest, I think Who Are You wins, hands down. Which they would have to be, to keep those things from flying in the wind.
girlfriday: I was actually amazed at how much running around they did in those tiny tiny skirts. How about, which school would you rather go to?
javabeans: Um, I’m gonna vote for the one that didn’t crumble under my feet and cripple me. So Who Are You—School 2015. Both dramas had characters passing themselves off as students with other names. Who’d you rather be?
girlfriday: Kim Hee-sun. I’ve wanted to be her for most of my life.
javabeans: Okay, let me rephrase: Which secret identity would you rather perpetrate?
girlfriday: Well, not that doing some twin swapping wouldn’t be fun, but I guess I’d still rather be the adult who’s pretending to be a high-schooler, because you still have some power. And you can also go home and have a drink.
javabeans: Also, Kim Hee-sun was way better at it. Come on, she was thirtysomething who got legitimately taken for 19, whereas Kim So-hyun had the same face, and she still couldn’t convince people.
girlfriday: Yeah, that drama really underutilized the twin premise, to a wasteful degree.
javabeans: Which ineffectual-but-well-meaning teacher would you rather have as your teacher? One tried but could do nothing, whereas the other one could have done something but didn’t try.
girlfriday: Ji Hyun-woo was way wimpier than Lee Pil-mo, but he had the better heart, and even though I had less faith that he could do anything, he at least tried for the sake of his students. He had the bigger mountain of baddies to overcome too, which counts for a lot.
javabeans: And clearly, he got better as the show went on—he learned how to be savvier and tougher. Lee Pil-mo just kind of seemed to give up in defeat. I still don’t understand why he had to quit. I get that he was disappointed in himself, but as a teacher, I want the guy who’s willing to go to the mat for me. Even if he loses a lot.
girlfriday: Well, I guess since this question is probably going to dog them for the rest of their careers, we may as well ask: Is it better to be Kim So-hyun or Kim Yoo-jung?
javabeans: Well, Kim So-hyun had the badass unni defending her, but Kim Yoo-jung had a pretty badass mom.
girlfriday: I would agree that badass mom was tougher and better, but also that much more embarrassing, yunno, from a teenage daughter point of view.
javabeans: Yes, Kim So-hyun’s mom was way more respectful of her adolescent privacy. But if Kim Hee-sun had been that hands-off as a mother, Kim Yoo-jung would probably be dead.
girlfriday: That’s true, although I think that Kim So-hyun had it worse in the bullying department. Jo Soo-hyang played the meanest psychopath eighteen-year-old EVER. The drama is over and I still have chills over how creepy she was, at least at the start.
javabeans: I agree that there’s a certain terror in being targeted by someone who’s a sociopath who simply hates you. In Angry Mom, there were more logical reasons for the bullying, because bad people had bad secrets to protect. I… don’t know that this makes them less scary though, because they’re also threatening you with death.
girlfriday: True, they were grown-up gangsters and stuff.
javabeans: And while School’s bully sorta led to a death (sort of), Angry Mom had hit men and shit, who threatened your family on top of your own self.
girlfriday: I dunno, it’s a tough call. Kim Yoo-jung got sent to the mental ward and whacked off her own hair, but Kim So-hyun jumped off a bridge. I feel like psycho eighteen-year-old is scarier.
javabeans: Is it worse to lose your best friend because the bullies killed her and covered it up as suicide, as in Angry Mom? Or is it worse to lose her because you could have helped her but ignored her because you were weak, and then she died and left you with a lifetime of guilt?
girlfriday: Yikes, well the guilt is way worse in the latter case, so maybe that one is worse overall. I do think that the school board director in Angry Mom takes the cake though. He had an affair with a student, covered up her pregnancy, and killed her. Then threatened to kill her best friend for talking about it. Then threatened her mom for digging around.
javabeans: I’m not going to argue your point, but at least he got punished!
girlfriday: Oh I’m with you there. I couldn’t believe that they just left Jo Soo-hyang to continue living out her days as a teenage sociopath. WHO CARES IF SHE FEELS SORRY?!
javabeans: Sometimes sorry needs jail time to make it worth anything!
girlfriday: On to the important stuff: boyfriends!
javabeans: Is it worse to have the perfect boy do all these perfect things for you, and then for you to pick the stupid wrong one? (Ahem, School.) Or…. is it worse to end up with Baro?
girlfriday: Okay, this is a tough one. Because both girls end up with crappy boyfriends, for totally different reasons. Baro is supposed to be reformed by the time Kim Yoo-jung dates him, but… he also was the main bully who ruled the school by tossing around his money and power, and making other guys do the actual dirty work.
javabeans: Didn’t he also sort of see his bullying as courtship?
girlfriday: YES. YES HE DID. It’s still problematic, no matter how cute he is by the last episode. He did end up doing a heroic thing though, so there is that.
javabeans: Now for the truly tough question: Which boy-who-didn’t-get-picked’s heart got broken the hardest?
girlfriday: Aaaaaaaaaaaaa#%$^#^@@#%^!
javabeans: You’re gonna have to be more specific. I can’t interpret that brand of rage.
girlfriday: Well okay, let’s back up first. I would definitely rather that the cute awesome boy love ME, and not my mom. So Kim So-hyun wins on that front.
javabeans: Except if you HAVE the awesome boy declaring eternal devotion to you and you don’t take it, aren’t you the real loser?
girlfriday: You’re right. That makes her stupid. ARGH. I still don’t know why she picked Han Yi-an. I mean, I know, but I don’t know.
javabeans: He wasn’t a terrible person, but he was just so… blah. And if you’re putting him next to the shining sweet attentive devoted boy who just wants to do things to make you happy, how could you even see him?
girlfriday: It’s the true mystery of the show, not the twin identity stuff.
javabeans: So Kim Yoo-jung may have gotten a flawed boyfriend, but Kim So-hyun may be blind.
girlfriday: When you put it that way, maybe it’s better to be the forgiving, kind girl who gives the bad boy a second chance. Not the blind girl who has bad taste. Poor rejected puppy. It’s the heartbreak of the year.
javabeans: Yet of the rejected boys, Bok-dongie (Ji Soo) sometimes feels more tragic because he can keep hoping, but honestly, that train’s not going anywhere.
girlfriday: Yeah I think his is a sadder one-sided love in that it’s purely fantasy. And there is something about Go Bok-dong that’s inherently sadder — it’s the first time anyone’s ever been nice to him, the first time he’s ever been part of a family and known human warmth, and it feels like he’ll just love Kim Hee-sun forever.
javabeans: Oof. I mean, before her, he lived with no hope, no love (other than a brother in prison), constant abuse, and lived with his abuser guardian in an abandoned warehouse, kind of like Healer without the ninja skills. How can you not cry for that?
girlfriday: Whereas, Gong Tae-gwang (Yook Sung-jae) has a broken home, but is still a relatively well-adjusted kid, with money, a giant room full of arcade toys, and people who love him, including his housekeeper, chauffeur, and butler. Plus, he still has a shot at love if he follows Kim So-hyun to college, then to producer school, then the broadcast station, then into the same apartment… so he’ll get the girl in 15 years, give or take.
javabeans: I CAN’T WAIT THAT LONNNNNNNNG.
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Tags: 1 show to rule them all, Angry Mom, conversation post, featured, Thing vs. Thing, Who Are You–School 2015
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51 wackycashew
June 24, 2015 at 5:07 AM
Haha! You two are so funny and I love the reference to The Producers with Taegwang and Eunbi. XD I definitely like Angry Mom better than School 2015. Kim Hee Sun and Jisoo!!! The plot was better and I liked the humour intertwined with the suspense. For School 2015, it got kinda draggy as the episodes went by and the climax felt underwhelmed. Kim So Hyun did an amazing job playing two roles though. =)
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52 orcabear
June 24, 2015 at 5:41 AM
javabeans: He wasn’t a terrible person, but he was just so… blah. And if you’re putting him next to the shining sweet attentive devoted boy who just wants to do things to make you happy, how could you even see him?
girlfriday: It’s the true mystery of the show, not the twin identity stuff.
TRUE TRUE...after watching episode 16 I just went NUMB...AND...with the identity thing...Eun Bi just managed to regain her name...she just replaced her sister's life in high school, nothing gained really
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53 anna
June 24, 2015 at 6:13 AM
at least now we know why lee yubi and kang minhyuk decline school 2015 ... the script is nonsense
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riri123
June 24, 2015 at 6:47 AM
Yeah, Kang Min Hyuk has escaped of being skinned by netizens because of lacking writing of YA character. Well done Min Hyuk (though I think Min Hyuk would get less rage about YA since I believe he would act better than NJH did)
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panshel
June 24, 2015 at 7:04 AM
I don't think Lee Yu Bi would've been half as good as Kim So Hyun in this role. There was no doubt in viewers' minds who was Eun Bi and who was Eun Byul. She even looked different. Eun Byul was gorgeous with her hair, clothes, makeup, and confidence.
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54 anna
June 24, 2015 at 6:20 AM
kim so hyun , jo soo hyang, lee pil mo and yook sung jae saved the school 2015 with their excellent acting while the story is hopeless
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55 panshel
June 24, 2015 at 6:56 AM
I'd like to combine their schools and ship Ji Soo with Kim So Hyun. In Angry Mom, I had shipped Ji Soo with Kim Yoo Jung. I didn't really get Baro's redemption, and I couldn't, in good conscience, ship a married mother with a teenage boy. Plus I strongly believe if Ji Soo played Han Yi An, there would be no TaeBi shippers.
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anna
June 24, 2015 at 7:45 AM
there wont be taebi shippers if they did not choose sungjae. he is too perfect to be tae kwang. if they want to stick to the model guy they should have chose another SM model turned actor to play tae kwang so that both have an equal standing about their level of acting. it wont be too obvious with the viewers that they cant act well because theyre handsome. no perfect chemistry that will happen between the main lead girl and 2nd lead and most especially no hyping up of loveline will occur. the ratings then will crumble and no viewers will get angry
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panshel
June 24, 2015 at 8:46 AM
Between Ji Soo (my hypothetical Han Yi An) and Yook Sung Jae, you would still choose Yook Sung Jae? I strongly believe Second Lead Syndrome would be nonexistent if Ji Soo played Han Yi An.
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natalie
June 24, 2015 at 3:40 PM
yes i'll still choose sung jae but if they pick yeo jingoo as yi ahn My answer will be 100% different.
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anna
June 24, 2015 at 3:48 PM
the show will not drop the model guy. His talent agency is powerful. Not gonna happen guys.
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panshel
June 24, 2015 at 8:57 PM
Nam Joo Hyuk was not the first choice. He wouldn't even be in this drama if Kang Min Hyuk hadn't turned it down. How "powerful" could his talent agency be when they couldn't get him a role initially?
weirdnshort
June 24, 2015 at 5:38 PM
haha. no viewers so there will be no hate? haha.
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miilo
June 24, 2015 at 8:50 AM
Ji Soo playing Yi-an? What a tempting idea, I´d probably have been torn in half between these two. I actually believe that a bit livelier performance could have saved Yi-an (for me). Cammoon, all the agony and confusion over which one of the sisters he actually likes is juicy stuff! Alas, there´s no guarantee that Ji Soo would have done any better, he and Nam Joo-hyuk are both green as turtles. It might just be that Bok-dong as a character suited him really well. Hey, come to think of it, NJH did a decent job in Surplus Princess.
But eventually it still comes down to writing, which at best was just confusing if not downright crazyville.
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panshel
June 25, 2015 at 10:29 PM
This is strictly hypothetical:
If Ji Soo played Han Yi An, I believe Yook Sung Jae would not have gotten as popular as he did -- still popular, just not THE most popular person on the cast to warrant script changes. If the writers kept the script as originally intended instead of riding on Yook Sung Jae's popularity to boost ratings, I believe viewers would easily accept and even embrace an Yi An - Eun Bi endgame.
Ji Soo was the Yook Sung Jae a month ago, and when he unexpectedly blew up overnight, Bok Dong instantly became a central character. Fortunately, the Bok Dong fanservice did not affect Angry Mom's storyline, but School 2015 practically became The Tae Gwang Show. I don't want disproportionate amount of screentime for either boy; I just want the writers to stick to the original script. I want to stress that I don't blame Yook Sung Jae (not only does he deserve his popularity, it's been a long time coming); I entirely blame the writers.
I'm not concerned about Ji Soo's greenness, and I have faith in his acting because he's an actor after all. I don't think Angry Mom was a fluke. On the contrary, I thought Nam Joo Hyuk overacted in Surplus Princess, and I'm inclined to blame the satoori even though he's from Busan. Sure, Big was adorable, but his acting felt off to me, whereas he suits characters like Yi An really well. I don't think anyone would disagree that if another actor played Han Yi An, Yi An would not have gotten nearly as much hate as Nam Joo Hyuk did.
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weirdnshort
June 24, 2015 at 5:40 PM
Yeah I thought Bok-dong would fit really well with A-ran too.
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56 utopious
June 24, 2015 at 9:14 AM
I never cared about Yi An and Eunbi's love for each other. I never 'felt' it. Seriously it's one of the most boring pairings in k-drama history. There's nothing heart fluttering about it. Initially I adored Eunbi but she became such a passive character who always had to be saved by Eunbyul, TK or YA I stopped caring about her too. After a point I just cared about Taekwang's happiness but the writers chose to break his heart over and over again. The last bits of interactions with the teacher and his dad were really cute though. But not enough to heal my heart.
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57 sheza
June 24, 2015 at 9:51 AM
Moral of the story is that one should not troll viewers with a farce love triangle at the expense of a good storyline. The way the characters are written, people seem to have cared more about the second leads than the main leads since the main leads are as it's been said here: blah. If Kim So Hyun hadn't played Eun Bi so beautifully, I am pretty sure that many people would have love Eun Byul more too for her character is just more compelling. As people get drawn into the mystery of Soo In's death and Eun Bi's discovering of her sister's past, and Yi An's devotion to Eun Byul, people are drawn to her. So it is almost stupid that suddenly Yi An's turned 180 deg and like Eun Bi instead. I think they are trying to make the so called reversal a little two dramatic without filling the gaps in the person's character which makes Yi An very hollow and shallow. My goodness, I am spouting rhymes. Maybe they should hire me!
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58 sheza
June 24, 2015 at 9:54 AM
BTW, I don't usually comment on dramabeans and I don't usually get into shipping wars but this time round I am really indignant as I think it was wasted potential.
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59 sheza
June 24, 2015 at 10:00 AM
And you know what takes the cake? Eun Byul had asked Yi An the question, what would it be like if all three of us hang out together, meaning her twin and Yi An? Well, we didn't actually get to see that did we cause they conveniently ship her off overseas. WTH!
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Zinabean
June 26, 2015 at 12:14 AM
LOL RIGHT. That pointlessness of her randomly going overseas and then Eunbi going back to school after leaving it, WHY?! OTL.
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60 lemondoodle
June 24, 2015 at 10:26 AM
WAY had so many issues in, who Eun Bi picked was the least of them.
And man, does nobody think TK was just too reliant on her and it was good he moved on? That what he needed was the love of a family and his story with Eun Bi was not that important, or not in the way people imagined? She helped him open up and make up with his father and that was the point of them meeting, not for them to get together and date? That in doing that, what she did for him was just as important as what he did for her?
He got the happy ending he deserved with the happy dinner with his dad and he will go on to find a girl that doesn't leave him in the rain without an umbrella. That to me is a good ending for him. Nobody else sees it that way? Okay.
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Lin_K
June 24, 2015 at 2:22 PM
I'm mad that TK and EBi didn't get together. And that's coz of the way the story was written and presented to me (Sung Jae's acting too). The writer should have wrapped it up earlier instead of giving false hope.
If I put my anger aside and think about it, TK should be with someone who loves him back. And like you said, someone who doesn't leave him in the rain without an umbrella :) I'm happy he got a happy ending with his dad and teacher. I hope they do a sequel sometime with TK as the main lead.
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61 weirdnshort
June 24, 2015 at 5:35 PM
For me, Angry mom was darker than I anticipated. I was thinking it'd be a cute funny drama about a mother complicating her child's life. I was in for a surprise. It got really dark politically. I have to admit, I thought the antagonists in that one was really out there...teacher killing his student to cover up a pregnancy? And on top of that there was so much corruption. I wasn't really into it because it was so dark and wasn't really in the mood for something political. However the ending was awesome. I saw how everything tied in together...which reminded me a lot about Sewol tragedy and how safety wasn't really considered. So at the end I felt completely satisfied.
In constrast...School 2015 started off strong. I was so addicted. I am a Taekwang fan, don't get me wrong, but I think it started getting a bit out of hand (I think just before Eunbyul comes back). Honestly, I don't mind ambiguous love triangles or where it doesn't really exist because that is refreshing ie. Producers, Dream High, School 2013. But I think they really didn't develop YiAn enough. They really should have taken some of that Taekwang/Eunbi cute moments and give it to YiAn.
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62 dashie
June 24, 2015 at 8:06 PM
SCHOOL decided to try a Reply 94, they succeeded.
Apparently this is why wars happen, because us humans we never learn!
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63 Wendy Darling
June 24, 2015 at 9:51 PM
oh my god laughed my ass off at the Producers joke, no one takes the Cha Tae Hyun cake, it is as absurd and ridiculous to have not been visible for 15 years, and sweet and heartbreaking that they finally just did it
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64 kirin
June 25, 2015 at 1:51 AM
Is anyone else really tired with the shipping wars?
I thought this stuff ended when School 2015 ended, why is it being dug up again?
Truthfully, I'm a bit amazed that I commented so much on the drama. I'm usually more of a silent reader type and I make a point to not get involved in shipping wars or arguments because it can get very toxic. And that's counterproductive to the reason I watch kdramas in the first place - you know, to relax and have fun.
But I couldn't help myself this time. I think this is the first time I fell head-over-heels for a ship. Or felt so passionate about it. Nothing left me so heart-broken as watching my ship sink. So I can understand why javabeans and girlfriday commented on that in this post. This is their place to vent about kdramas after all.
Anyway, watching the drama unfold in the comment section, I can't help but think that people are taking this too personally. It's okay to call fictional characters stupid. It's not okay to insult real people. If someone insults a character you like, it doesn't comment on you as a person, it's directed at a fictional character. ... I just ... thought this was obvious. But whatever. I'm glad the kdrama is over. For more reasons than one.
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panshel
June 25, 2015 at 10:50 AM
It is "being dug up again" because "javabeans and girlfriday commented on that in this post."
While shipping wars suck the fun out of watching dramas, they are part and parcel of commenting because like you said, everybody feels passionately about their ship. I don't mind javabeans and girlfriday getting involved because at the end of the day, they are fans just like us and have the right to ship whoever they want to ship. School 2015 is this year's Reply 1994.
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lemondoodle
June 25, 2015 at 11:27 AM
I'm kind of amazed a high school drama with teenagers causes such a huge war. For both ships, let's be real they'll all break up and marry someone else in 10 years and laugh about how naive they were in the past. And from comments you'd think YA was a married 35 year old man who left his wife of 10 years for her sister.
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65 harmonyfb
June 27, 2015 at 9:16 PM
Nah, the worst high school has to be the one from Hon, where a sociopath & his rapist buddies run around the school with no supervision. On the other hand, one of the sociopaths was at least highly decorative. (Mmm, Kwon Hyun Sang.)
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66 dooboonew
July 1, 2015 at 2:26 PM
Angry mom and Who are you (school 2015) are the best high school dramas. They should be ranked higher in this list, http://goo.gl/cDb25b Most comments in here say Reply 1994 is better than Reply 1997. But, according to the list, Reply 1997 is more popular, which I agree.
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67 kyunghyun
July 6, 2015 at 9:12 PM
KIM SO HYUN is not blind hahahahah The writers are :-)))
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