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1 ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 6:15 AM
Count down: 71 hours.
Healer episode 13 preview is out. youtube.com/watch?v=boRg7F4HEGc
1.So , it looks like she does find him and takes him to the Hospital ( not his hideout like some of us hoped :D)
2. She seems to be teasing him and wants him to confess on his own :D. She says she's very angry (??) my limited understanding of Korean makes me feel crippled.
4.Looks like myung hee is asking all the right questions.
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Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 6:19 AM
Saema -- why are you posting spoilers?? If you want to do that, then please tag it properly so it does not ruin it for others.
Thank you!
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 6:26 AM
It's just a teaser, not sure if these can be called spoilers. Unless we can't discuss teasers but I don't remember the rules about them. In the threads people usually talk about the teasers all the time.
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 6:29 AM
Ah - I'm so sorry, I apologize for not tagging this post properly. I feel a bit crazy these days. Some of us haven't watched the most recent episodes - this thought never crossed my mind.
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Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 10:26 AM
Thank you :)
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nasikerabu
January 16, 2015 at 6:54 AM
if you are not looking for spoilers why are you here? discussion bound to have spoilers all over.
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Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 10:25 AM
Spoilers are fine and expected, but even the admin asked that they be tagged as a courtesy to others.
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 6:28 AM
Thanks! I love it. :) I KNEW that little paper star from the booth was bound to show up again, in his pocket or falling from his pack or something, I was waiting for this scene heheheh. :)
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 6:32 AM
Haha. You guys guessed it. I never knew and I did wonder about why he took the paper star.
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 6:41 AM
As a memento from his Eternal Love like the song in the OST, ehehehe, such a silly song. :)
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 7:43 AM
I know it's silly, but I hallucinate it at times. They play it a LOT in each episode. ?
LizJ
January 16, 2015 at 9:34 AM
It's a silly song, yes, but oddly addicting.
mary of bethany
January 21, 2015 at 5:49 PM
shall we suggest they use something from Ed Sheeran. mmm... he is one that don't sell looks, yet can shudder hearts by his voice, boy can he writes too... if you have Sheeran at background as junghoo yearned for youngshin.. its simply breathtaking.
mary of bethany
January 21, 2015 at 5:50 PM
maybe maybe JCW should sing something too for ost.. he can sing too. a multi-talents actor. yeah, he is an actor, not just a star...
Trapper
January 16, 2015 at 8:36 AM
Would you refresh my memory on the scene/significance of the star? I have vague recollection of it, but don't remember the scene.
Thanks!
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 8:44 AM
It was episode 7, I think or 8. She walked back home after the elevator accident and was hoping Healer would come meet her. She then calls Bong sookie to talk and while speaking to him on the phone, she makes a paper star. She knows Healer is around watching over her ^^ so if she finds the star with Bong soo, she knows he has to be the healer.
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Trapper
January 16, 2015 at 9:35 AM
Right, right, when she's in the phone booth.
Thanks for jogging my memory!
fab
January 16, 2015 at 10:04 AM
Thanks for the summary!
It's funny that I forgot about the star but remember the overall scene vividly.
I remember thinking out loud, do they still have phone booths in Seoul??
ywcnois
January 16, 2015 at 7:57 AM
*SPOILERS IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH THE PREVIEW*
I think CYS figured out that he is healer (not in the beginning of the episode, but later) but wants him to admit it first. So she says that she'll wait, but is really angry.
And Moon Ho & Jung Hoo will work together again :D
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 8:48 AM
How angry do you think she will be? ? he did say while conversing with ahjumma that she'd beat him up but get over it quickly. I find it amusing that she's using the almost handhold as a signal for him to confess. Ah, the feels.
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ywcnois
January 16, 2015 at 11:07 AM
Hmm.. I think.. she might not be that mad about him having lied to her in the beginning, but rather about the fact that he's still lying to her. She thought she became closer to Healer & Bong Soo, but he's still lying to her. Even though she knows and he knows that she knows..
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fab
January 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM
So do you think he knows she knows? I hope not, because I liked the "her knowing but not him knowing that she knows"(do you follow lol) theory the best. :D
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ywcnois
January 16, 2015 at 11:05 AM
Well.. I assume she told HIM that she'd wait, so I.. guess he knows..
But yeah, that'd be cool too, although then, she might start to dislike the fact that he lies to her, even more.
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shelly
January 16, 2015 at 1:24 PM
riddle me this: how come monday NEVER comes, and then when it does arrive eventually, it and tuesday flash by and then there's another week to wait?
what is this magic that they do with time in healer?!
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2 zakin89
January 16, 2015 at 6:17 AM
Happy OT everyone =)
So I guess the Healer addiction is REAL! I mean… I even dreamt about Healer (so Ji Chang Wook basically) last night – with a dash of Kill Me Heal Me which was kinda funny :D
As for the drama Healer… My feels… I can’t deal with them but what else is new^^ This week was great and as much as I hated the cliff hanger I loved it as well. It always raises the stakes when the hero gets injured and how much did I love that Ahjumma called Young Shin?! And then there are those hand holding scenes, the hug, the food preparing/eating… Who needs kisses or more when scenes like those already drive me crazy?! *fans self*
Preview for ep 13 nearly killed me again today and Monday needs to come FAST.
Oh and all the BTS videos are hilarious! They seem to have a lot of fun.
Kill Me Heal Me: I actually like this quite a lot. It’s pretty silly but Ji Sung is doing a great hob with the different personalities so far and I’m looking forward do the next eps ;)
Pinocchio: Aww I’m gonna miss them! It was a nice final week with lots of great moments but grandpa… *sigh* Of course he would make me cry one last time^^
Heart To Heart: I liked the first two episodes but it has such a different feeling than I expected. Which isn’t bad I was just surprised I guess.
I enjoyed the first 2 eps of Family Is Coming and really want to watch that one but subbing is SO SLOW T_T As it is with Dr. Frost + Perseverance Goo Hae Ra. I have no idea what’s going on at viki bc except for Pinocchio no other drama has been subbed particularly fast (Healer was a first this week with that fast subs and I can’t speak for other Mon-Tue dramas bc I’m not watching them). I really hope that some of the Pinocchio subbers go to other dramas bc otherwise I’m THIS close to dropping the one’s with slow subs.
Running Man… Lee Seo Jin was so hilariously grumpy it was awesome :D I enjoyed the Kwang Soo + Jong Kook couple so much and it showed that they’re really close off camera!
1N2D continues to be great this season and the past few episodes had THE highlight! Yu PD getting to taste fish sauce xD It was priceless^^
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 6:35 AM
Hi healer addict * wave *
I heard some one say once that Dreaming about some thing means you thought a lot about it that day.
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I saw shin sung rok in my dream once while watching yfas. Ugh so creepy.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 9:44 AM
in Hyun Min´s tone (KoD): JESUS! Shin Sung Rok in villain mode is a scary thing to dream of. although when he was in my dream, we ...bonded. I dunno. there is a monster living inside me i guess. theme of the year
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 6:47 AM
Oh man yes, the Viki subs are killing me!!!! I mean I really appreciate the subbers because they do it all for free but I also agree that it making want to drop (or not start) certain shows.
I thought Lee Seo Jin was most funny in RM but there were moments went I felt bad that others had to pick up his slack. I enjoyed the Kwang Soo/Jong Kook dynamics more. I really enjoy the core group of the show.
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zakin89
January 16, 2015 at 6:58 AM
It sucks so much though for a few shows that just have license for Europe and QCs it's more understandable bc that means not as many Eng-Kor subbers to begin with... But the others? The teams are so small :( I really hope that Pinocchio subbers join other teams now that the show is over!
I won't ever complain about subbers bc I know how much work it is especially now since I'm subbing myself again (German subs for Family Is Coming).
They did a good job though especially Jae Suk but what else is new^^
I really hope they're doing a cast only ep soon again bc those are still the best!
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 2:03 PM
Not sure if this is pertinent to your comment zakin89, but for people outside an area where shows are available you might want to try the browser plugin Hola.
https://hola.org/
Works for me.
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4D
January 18, 2015 at 11:29 AM
Props to you for doing subs! I think I'm more frustrated by shows like Frost where the subs were goignalong at a certain pace and then....not so much. But it seems like some shows have picked up. Persevere GHR is at 100% for ep1 now and not that far behind for ep2 so maybe my grumpiness will wear off.
Jae Suk really works his butt off. It actually took be a while to warm up to him when I first started the show, but now I absolutely understand and agree with why he's the main MC.
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3 redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:17 AM
I wanted to make this purely an „Ahjumma actress appreciation thread“, but many things have happened and I need to rant a little. But I´ll at least start as intended.
I think it is unfair how most swoons, praise and admiration goes to men in their 20-ies and 30-ies, not that they wouldn´t have deserved that praise, mostly they do, but there are so many fantastic actresses (let´s not say ahjummas, let´s just say „40+“) who are soooo great, but are hardly ever paid attention to by drama fandom. Woman + over a certain age, I am more and more bugged how, first of all, their sometimes brilliant performances are overlooked because of the young male star, and second, they get type-casted. They deserve more recognition I think. Just to name a few:
Park Joon-geum from Secret Garden, King of dramas, Heirs, Rooftop prince and many more. Emotionally draining job to play it. She is actually quite cute. And has great funny faces. A lot of people seem to mix up the character and the actress, they can´t get past that she has played scheming chaebols. I bet she is actually a real hoot. They just need to give a woman clothes more worthy of a woman, sometimes she is ridiculously dressed in dramas.
Kim Mi-Kyung. Zettai Kareshi ahjumma version much? Did she arrive at the door of the studio in plastic wrap with a choice of 280 programs on the secret menu on her back? Such a range. Such diversity of roles. She just devours roles like an Ahjumma Packman: om nom nom nom…. STILL HUNGRY! Such enthusiasm. No really, I think she is a robot or an undercover superhuman.
Kim Hae-Sook – seriously fantastic in good roles and bad. Dare I say but in Pinocchio she is almost surpassing Bad Daddy for me…or well, maybe on par. Or… ok, I am not brave enough to push Bad Daddy off the pjedestal just yet. Goodness knows what he´ll do to me. Imagine Mommy meeting Bad Daddy, in the same frame, the chills! Can we get these actors together in a drama? But she was so nice in I hear your voice and it is weird….maybe Awesome Mom came back from the dead as an evil one….but wasn´t she against revenge? Well, if you beome a zombie promises kinda fade…. Anyway, a long long list of work, and I intent to watch some just because of her. And in Marriage, not dating, she was yet another type of mom, but so great in it. Kim Hae Sook, you rock!
Mom from Valid Love, Lee Young-Ran, has a difficult joba head. Her character is getting dementia. That is so sad. Man, if I think of my own family, i would not want to deal with that. It is so heartbreaking, it is like your batteries are half-empty so you are just 80 % functional or something. But instead of tragic, she plays it out with cheerfulness, like Mom doesnt even realize anything is wrong and thinks everyone else is acting silly, and that makes it pretty chilling. OMG poor mom, seriously.
Na Young-hee a.k.a. Song Yi´s mom. Wow, such a long list of roles! At first I didnt like that role, or the actress, but she sort of reminds me...
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:18 AM
Ok, I did well, right? I protected women rights and stuff, and fought against age discrimination. Now can I go back to praising the hot male actors? Huh?
I am watching Kill Me, Heal Me. While most of you find your thrill in Healer, the latter has not been convincing enough for me. It doesnt really pull me in. Perhaps I am a person of More Fantasy, a goofy type, living in a different realm or something… Then again, I like the realistic style of Valid Love – I couldn´t put my finger on it before, but it sort of feels like Shut Up. Now I understand why I love the athmosphere in that drama…Kill Me, Heal Me on the other hand, might be a little silly, unbelievable, but I believe it, because MY world is more like that, than that of Healer. Comprende? Ok, last episode of Healer was pretty good, but … lets say, I was hanging on more to every second of City Hunter back in the day, I was more on the edge. Just a little bit …. Maybe it is because Moon Shik will never be as breathtakingly merciless as Bad Daddy. Good villains make the show. The evil side here is…so robotic and the story is moving so slowly. I am really sorry, healibers, but this is no reason to call me a hater or anything. Even fangirls gotta accept difference of opinions, and I´ll accept you going gaga and move on. No need for y´all to get defensive at all, I will leave you your crack.
Anyway, back to Kill Me, Heal Me - I think Ji Sung is doing a great job and what I like most is, he is an actor who knows how to use the setting, the props, everything in the vicinity. I also rewatched some ep of PTB to confirm this hunch, and so true. Some actors just stand and talk, but he knows how to play around with stuff around him. Twirl them around, jump on them, crawl, kick whatever. He can make anything into a „screen partner“. In KMHM it is the mirror and reflecting surfaces I guess. Car mirror, bathroom mirror, window etc. He knows how to use the set and respond to other actors. I am reminded of my own acting classes (yes, we had some for work as museum guides). I like it when the actor is not just a talking head, but acts with his whole body.
And I also like the Bruce Wayne-Alfred click with the secretary. Generally, I get Batman vibes, and Batman is like my favorite „human hero“. < wrote this before they actually MENTIONED Batman on the show, hah. Do Hyuns alter egos dont have any superpowers, they just have different skills. It is more like survival skills and resourcefulness, no special training, no teacher but yourself. learning to cope all on your own. I wonder if drama writers read my post here a year ago how I want more superhero-like characters in kdramas or kdrama versions of Superman and stuff. I think this split personality makes a much more interesting vigilante, it is part involuntary and unpersonal, then he makes up his mind and turns from this „non-person“ into a real hero himself. That´s really cool. But I find it hilatrious and totally random Segi means...
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:19 AM
got cut: But I find it hilatrious and totally random Segi means „completely nuts“ in my language. So Shin Se Gi SOUND to me like someone is saying „Crazy here“ or „Crazy calling!“
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kathy
January 16, 2015 at 3:58 PM
hi Redfox,
i was here watching this speed train called Healer and wondering if i was the only one not on board!
i do like it as any other drama, but i'm not into the whole thing.
last episode i couldn't finish it just ended up reading the recaps.... it feels good to know i'm not the only one :) without offense ofc to the fans.
kill me heal me i can't wait for new episodes. i do like different dramas and i don't really know where this one is going which is good.. it has me wondering ..
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:18 AM
And jumping back to the beginning: I wish to see more 40+ actresses getting work they deserve for their skills, playing a MAIN character who stands on her own, is not just a „mom“, also not a love interest, also not the evil machinator ora n adulteress, but something else. Cause they are seriously awesome! Maybe a female musician, artist, writer, something like that. And it would be great to know what Hacker-Ahjumma does on her time off…. Bet it is something outrageously hilarious. Masybe flying over the city like Batman…
About Geun-Seokie: so sad and frustrated, and worried. As I am also a teacher, I never break one rule: don´t pick on the weird kids. Never. You need to understand and support them. What great wrong did he do, huh? It is all just cause he is so different. I will not tolerate it. It is just bullying. Discrimination. They singled him out like that. My own personality was nearly destroyed because of something analogical – she is different, she is weird, so lets just get rid of her, who cares how she feels, who cares about the background and the truth (Pinocchio deja vu much?). It was really really a tough and dark time. I don´t want the samet hing to happen here. They are going totally over the top – even given he denied or lied or whatever, well maybe he did it cause he knew he´d get a public beating like this regardless of what he does? Just say sorry, sincerely, isn´t that enough? and I am so disappointed none of the Three Meals participants of staff have even said sorry or anything. Like they can kick him out and not look back, not feel any remorse. No matter what problems this guy has, he hasn´t deserved to be treated this way. They are mocking and humiliating him, even if hei s not perfect, even if they don´t like him, do they have to be so vicious and uncaring? I hope he won´t give up and makes a comeback, even if it is hard. I am nobody famous, but I went through something very similar, and that´s why I can´t help but feel awful, sorry and worried.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:19 AM
To cheer you all up after this, Estonian Music Awards concert: http://www.tv3play.ee/sisu/eesti-muusikaauhinnad/535337?autostart=true
Not that you understand much - don´t worry, I don´t understand anything either cause they speak such crappy estonian, the younger generation is bringing the level down blaa blaa blaa whining, but there are some cool performances and you know, most of them are just cute. See any flower boys there? I bet. Karl-Erik Taukar (in checkered blue suit, performing about 44 min in) caught your eye (while kissing on-screen). And HIS STRUT! Ooh la la. I can explain later what is going on if you are interested. The ones with blond curly hair are Curly Strings (performing at 1:30) whose songs I mentioned two weeks ago on OT. They won 4 awards. If you saw one of them on the stage 6 times thats no wonder. That´s Jalmar Vabarna, who has 8 bands…. They call most awards ceremonies Vabarnafest because of that. The hosts are Ines (ESC 2000) and Ott Lepland. Ewert and the Two Dragons (perorming at 58 min in) just released their third album and they are back after touring 4 years in the U.S. National Mens´Choir RAM where my dad sings also won for classical album of the year.
And also, Tangerines was nominated for an Oscar, first time in history, Estonian movie, wooohheeeee!
So I have 2 positive things to keep my mind off everything worrysome. No, 3 actually – one of the words I invented was among the winners of word competition. Remember? Yay! And the tapestry is finished too. Life is going ok, and I am not just living for the great moments. If you only wait for the winning times you will be unsatisfied 99% of your time. Be happy.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 11:35 AM
saw on the news there was a totally kdrama incident on this ceremony or before it. some guy tripped with a glass of water and splashed it on the dress of a girl. accidentally, they didnt know each other. the girls companion asked the guy to step outside and punched him so hard he had a bloody nose. but - now it really gets hilarious - the guys MOTHER was there. she started yelling at the hitter and wanted to call police, and had such outburst of rage they called ambulance FOR THE MOM. bahahaa makjang
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 11:47 AM
Superfox, you gotta love that!
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:00 PM
yeah you bet. as soon as I even just heard "got splashed with water" all those scenes ran through my head. had I been there I would have laughed so hard that their anger could have turned towards me instead
Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 6:22 AM
Redfox - I love your thought to highlight the talented females. If I had the skills, I'd make a few DB banners of the supporting and often scene stealing actors, both male and female. I don't know about the rest of you, but when are part of the cast and come onscreen, it always makes me smile.
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miilo
January 16, 2015 at 7:09 AM
Ajumma banner! Yey! Please, please, pretty please!
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Aigoooo
January 16, 2015 at 8:00 AM
I think Kim Hee Ae and Shin Eun Jung are two really hot ahjummas!
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karecity
January 17, 2015 at 7:55 AM
It's sad they are considered ahjummas too, a term which doesnt seem all that positive. They dont look like ahjummas at all!
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redfox
January 17, 2015 at 10:10 AM
that is right, they are just gorgeous, talented and hard-working Women with a capital letter
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:22 AM
*a deleted part about a certain tvN variety/reality show* and I wish all my comments about this show were removed from Dramabeans as a protest. I have nothing to say. It doesnt exist.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:29 AM
Kim Hae-Sook is so awesome!! The range she has and the way she portrajs and make her characters. Love her, even when she does scary things like pinochio mum..
Same with.. Oh i cannot remember her name but everyone's grandmother *consults google fu* Kim Young Ok! She also seems like she has a lot of fun doing different roles.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:34 AM
yes, the grandmother of everyone! she is one sharp pencil, I´d say. I wish I were as cool at her age
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:39 AM
Yes! I imagine that she is a fun one to work with as well.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM
I thought off someone else as well.. Hacker ahjumma from healer! She is awesome as well.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 7:01 AM
yeah, plus I kinda noticed she looks a bit like that asian lady from grey´s Anatomy or whats it called - I never watched that but saw a clip and thought, hmm, lookalikes.
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Marcellina Chiazor
January 16, 2015 at 10:06 PM
@redfox
lol Dr Yang(christina oh). yup they lookalike.
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:32 AM
still watching Valid love, seems like it is getting back on the track of cute. Still very deep and serious. everyones´role is kind of a challenge to play and they are all doing it so well. What I am not satisfied with: more Unni scenes and less sulking.
still don´t know what this "Hol" or whol word is that pig Strawberry uses in VL (I also heard Oh Ri Jin using it in ep 4 of KMHM) Like "wow" or "omg" I understand, but how does it transcribe? where does it come from?
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shaynanigans
January 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM
Heol ( 헐 ) I'll try to explain it as I understand it.
It's a slang used when you are at a loss for words (with tones of disbelief, embarrassment at a cringe-worthy situation)
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 8:37 AM
Oh, thank you!
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:08 PM
though I can´t imagine why a psychiatrist would use slang...well but she is a little different. still kinda sounded weird coming from a doctor
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shaynanigans
January 16, 2015 at 1:42 PM
She may be A psychiatrist but at this point, she is still not HIS psychiatrist. Their relationship is personal level, so using slang in front of him may not be overly out of line.
She and Se Gi have already lowered their speech with each other - at least they did at the club. I'd have to watch the hospital scenes with them again to see if she started adding the yo's again.
It felt to me in episode 4 that she had no intentions of being his psychiatrist, rather was offering friendship - which was rejected.
I think the main reason why she'll become his doctor is because people already think they are dating which will act as her cover. More importantly, she is the only one Se Gi will listen to.
I love the scene in the previews where Cha do Hyun holds up a picture of Han Chae Yeon and threatens Se Gi "If you mess with my woman, I'll mess with yours!"
unitedred
January 16, 2015 at 10:14 AM
It's a recent slang term too. Older Korean people aren't too familiar with it and rarely say it.
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:36 AM
I agree , and I often lament that more 30/40+ actresses are not lauded as they should be. It's sad that what I see happening a lot is that actresses get married in their late 20s/30s, then disappear to maybe make a comeback later b/c there are so few roles available after a certain age. It's either young and attractive or a mother. We've been getting a few 30 something dramas here and there but not enough.
My absolutely favorite actress actress (as in I like her purely for her awesome talent) is Lee Mi-sook.
I just love love love her b/c she really just shines in all of her roles. She can take a character that I usually would loathe and want to fast-forward through and make me love to hate her. Dramaland is full of those wretched conniving mothers and I just roll my eyes and deal with it. However, whenever Lee Mi-sook plays THAT mother I always watch and she never disappoints.
I too have felt like she (and some others) don't get the recognition they deserve b/c they're "not young" anymore.
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM
YESSS! Lee Mi-sook is the most badass ahjumma ever. I wanna be her when I grow older.
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 8:24 AM
Another LMS fan! Yay!
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM
Yup! It'd be cool if there was like a biopic or if she played a version of herself at some point. I was googling her because I noticed a conspicuous trend that she and Kim Gap-soo are often paired as lovers and was trying to see how many times and got distracted by an article about her in a scandal with a much younger man. I don't remember why it was an issue but I was a little impressed. Anyway it'd make a good drama: Actress and her love triangle with frequent co-star and hot younger man. A tale of ambition perhaps? Like a better version of Miss Ripley.
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 8:38 AM
@ museofmanymasks: I would love that kind of story. how to play it on screen without revealing that the feelings you play are real!
Elle
January 16, 2015 at 8:48 AM
love the idea!!
When I was reading up on her, I did see something about her and a younger man in 06. She divorced in 07 after 20 yrs of marriage so I wondered (1) if the rumor was true and (2) if it was the reason behind the divorce. I didn't want to read more into it b/c the rumor was from her former agency who was suing her so it could have just been them trying to smear her name. Idk but if ever there was a believable May-December romance, LMS would definitely be able to pull it off. She is something fierce.
I wouldn't mind being like her when I grow up either. Did you see her 90s makeup in Miss Korea? Even that throwback look didn't diminish her shine! Blog post idea alert! I may have to do an ode to LMS soon!
museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 11:07 AM
Ah yeah I read about the suing too. Figured it was slander also. Still, good subplot for the drama! Go forth and post! I think I have one brewing myself.
merry
January 16, 2015 at 10:51 PM
This is interesting discussion about ajumma actresses. I was just reading in a magazine (before i opened my computer to read OT), how Reese Witherspoon had the same thoughts about there not having good roles for women over 30. So, she just bankrolled 'Wild'. Hollywood thinks she is going to be a successful producer. So possibly, scripts with good roles for women can be crowd-funded now. Any screenplay writers among DB regulars?
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Ek Ladhki Thi is Kim Eun-sooks no 1 fan
January 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM
All the ajhummas you mentioned, I love. Park Joon-geum was on one episode of happy together with Choi Jin-hyuk and she was really funny when she got to speak. And she even admitted to squeeing when she heard Choi Jin-hyuk's voice over the phone for the first time, I guess you're never too old to fangirl over Choi Jin-hyuk hahaha.
I love every one of Kim Hae-sook's roles I've seen. She's such a beautiful and versatile actress.
Kim Mi-kyung is also amazing, I agree about her being ajhumma pac-man when it comes to acting, and she's funny too. Not to mention smoking hot. I love her.
I've kind of developed a little crush on the actor that plays Kim Moon-shik in Healer. He's so handsome and suave, and talented too.
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Ek Ladhki Thi is Kim Eun-sooks no 1 fan
January 16, 2015 at 6:46 AM
Ha! I forgot to mention the lady who played Park Min-sook in A Gentleman's Dignity, she was my favourite character in that drama, so fierce and such a boss. Does she count as an ajhumma?
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:17 AM
Yes! That episode with Park Joon Geum and Choi Jin Hyuk! Everybody was fangirling over him lol. I loved it. She was great but I wish they'd given her more screen time.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:47 PM
where can I see it?
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Ek Ladhki Thi is Kim Eun-sooks no 1 fan
January 17, 2015 at 2:59 AM
You can watch it on kshowonline.com
They carry a whole range of variety shows.
4D
January 17, 2015 at 6:16 AM
The whole series is actually all on YouTube by the broadcaster...and with English subs!
4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:05 AM
Yay for Ahjumma love!! I think they're definitely the most overlooked in the acting world (not just a kdrama issue but acting everywhere). I do think a lot if it is the roles that are being written. Even the ahjussis get meatier roles. But they're really talented and are often so vibrant when given oy a few lines. I am a bit tired if the evil rich mom trope though...although it provides more challenges than just 'good mom' role.
I think in general the women are written as side pieces to the guys. So once those women reach a certain age they're mostly just moms because, again, their value is just the link to the guys. Ooooh I'm so cynical today.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 7:12 AM
exactly! so I want some really thrilling roles for women 40+ cause...well Kim Mi-Kyung manages to get slightly different roles. How? She must have a good nose. Or maybe the Healer helps her?
I worte above what I want. Older women are still individuals who have their own dreams and goals in life. they are not just Moms or cancer patients. They are not just mens´ sidekicks. would it cause an outrage in Korea to shake up that patriarchic system? give them, you know, a LIFE?
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4D
January 18, 2015 at 2:56 PM
Sometimes I think Kim Mi-Kyung is the Meryl Streep of kdramas. One whiff of an ahjumma roles with some tpe of depth and she gets called. And she rocks it too.
I'm OK with female moms since there are many many women who are homemakers. But write them with depth! These roles are clearly not written by moms because it's like they have nothing going on inside their minds. *sigh*
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 7:40 AM
redfox -
Kim Hae-sook! ..... No matter what role she's in, you always remember her after the drama ends. She's always great.
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 7:47 AM
redfox -
I forgot to mention above, regarding your comment about Ji Sung knowing how to use the set. So true!
I first noticed this while watching him in Royal Family, which is where I first saw him.
I look forward to seeing him in Kill Me, Heal Me. I'm not watching it now, but I'll catch it a little later.
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 7:59 AM
Ha, I love the different topics you write about each week ☺. And you're right, without the ahjummas or let's call them 40+ ladies, dramas wouldn't be fun. Like Kim mi kyung in healer, she's hilarious. I loved her character in plus nine boys too. ( you did watch it, right ?) I love that she swears a lot , in this series. Your list includes many awesome ahjummas, I just want e to add a few more.
1. There's the awesome mom from Reply 1997( and 1994) : she cooks a lot, to her being hungry is a crime ?
2. I loved Kim yoo mi's character in 'Heartless city'. I wish I grow up to be like her haha.
Thanks for this appreciation post, redfox. Can't wait for whatever you write about next week.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Kim Mi-Kyung - Court Lady Choi (Faith) was my first kdrama female +age love- fighting! And her role as a instructor and former rock band drummer in What's Up? - the best. Now as Healer computer hacker/conscience/advisor/director/protector/boss I love her.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:09 PM
she will always be Lady Choi to me. I guess she also time-travels and is a fast learner in the technical field
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lc
January 16, 2015 at 5:33 PM
Kim Mi-Kyung - I first saw her in the family drama Pure Nineteen, she was already an ahjumma in it then.
But the first drama I fully remembered her in was Daemang, where she was the loyal maidservant to Lee Yo Won the yangban's daughter. Their relationship was so sweet and tender to watch ❤
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thursdaynexxt
January 16, 2015 at 8:33 PM
Yes, first got introduced to her in Faith - she was kickass there as well!
Just so impressed that she can inhabit any kind of role and pull off any costume, be it royal court hanbok or fascinator hats or scruffy homewear! Not to mention her different accents!
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 9:47 AM
Ah Kim Mi-kyung-shi! One of my faves! Love Big Sis in What happens to my family! And love heroine's mom in Kill Me, Heal Me..ever since I saw her in Wang Family.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 10:14 AM
The mom in Kill Me Heal Me is fantastic. She is all the "murmur under her breath the martyrdom of being a wife and a mother" with such a dose of love and joy that she is just wonderful. It is nice to see a close family with adult children who all get along so well.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 10:26 AM
The family is so good and close and friendly that it makes me nervous. On the one hand, we have hero without loving family and so we can say "mental health issues are because of troubled childhood and not genetic." No family "or ig in" <-- sorry had to say that. But is there going to be a balance where we are shown that some mental issues happen without anyone to "blame." I figure brother can have his love because he knows it's not really his sister...but will there be another situation that shows there is mental health issues even in happy families?
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 11:50 AM
The aura of this show is really dark and deep, but how I enjoy the lighter moments. With all the good acting it can be pulled off. What did happen that year between 7 & 8? Something extremely damaging that's for sure
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM
you mean Oh Ri Jins´mom? yeah.
there is also Kim Na Woon in this drama I noticed - she played Min-kis´mom in School 2013 and she was great there. gotta see how she is in KMHM
Oh Ri jins´mom is played by KIM HEE-JUNG
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fanwho
January 16, 2015 at 11:19 AM
redfox, I am glad you picked up a really good topic here (well, you always pick up good topic). I am a very long time k-drama watcher, and can tell most of Ahumma and Ahjussi's acting type, and some of them (well, including ones mentioned here) are just so fantastic.
The latest one I was in awe with her acting was (I don't know actress's name) MinJung's birth mother in 'JangBori is here'. Her Saturi and acting was just awesome, and I thought she deserved the award more than Bori, more than MinJung(Yi YooRi who got the top prize).
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 4:26 PM
@redfox--
Seriously, I've got such a crush on Kim Hee Ae, from Secret Love Affair. Please check out these promotional photos for that drama and tell me she isn't a sexy ahjumma GODDESS "from the stars"...haha.
These are from various sites:
https://pianoconversations.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/elle-korea-april-2014-issue/elle-031414-06/
https://pianoconversations.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/elle-korea-april-2014-issue/elle-031414-28/
https://yooahinsikseekland.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/yoo-ah-in-and-kim-hee-ae-set-on-fire-in-elle-shoots/
http://www.thesunnytown.com/2014/04/05/elle-april-2014-kim-hee-ae-never-let-me-go-interview/
And, of course of course--since you yourself included some male-gushing in your own let's-put-the-acrtresses-on-pedestals-too thread--Yoo Ah In has got to be one of the hottest guys I've come across in dramaland lately.
Forgive my gushing, but I can't help it!
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 7:11 PM
Fun to watch Noonas Over Flowers. She's in it.
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dramabliss
January 19, 2015 at 3:14 AM
Kudos to you @redfox for bringing this to our attention. Many ahjummas in kdramas are played by fantastic actresses. Kim Mi Kyung is on top of my list. Her versatility knows no bounds.
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4 jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 6:19 AM
Hello All -
Happy Friday!
My daughter was nice enough to help me make this video for all my drama friends all over the world! She is playing me in this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOUgwEdsZN8
I had to buy her a Manhattan Bagel lunch for her acting services.
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Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 6:25 AM
Awww, great job! :)
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 10:19 AM
OH YES!
PLUG! Please note in the video a BOOK on my shelf!
The Constant Tower - a must read by uri Carole McDonnell!!
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 11:36 AM
covering head in embarrassment. Thanks!
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:40 AM
It was sooo funny. And you had Sandglass in the background! I'm watching/recapping that one now. lol. How did you like it?
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 6:46 AM
I loved it. I sobbed myself to sleep several times towards the end. It had me by the heart. This one set the bar really really high for bromance that rips into your soul.
And Lee Jung-jae. You know he as added at the last hour to pull in the female viewers.
Are you really recapping it? The whole thing?
Have you posted them already? I would love to watch alone and join in the convo.
I had threatened to do recap but could never get the courage up.
It is the 10th anniversary this year so this is good timing. EVERYONE should watch it, as painful as it is.
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 7:00 AM
I didn't know Lee Jung-jae was added last minute for the ladies, but that was a brilliant move b/c I absolutely love him. At first I thought, oh no, not another gangster in love w/the boss' daughter, but by ep 4 (even though he wasn't in it much by them) I freaking loved him. The last minute thing also probably explains why he had so few lines, but his silence was the thing that I loved the most. He was amazing!
But yes, I am recapping the whole thing. I've actually finished (rough drafts) of the entire series, but I'm a newbie blogger so I am only posting two episodes a week until I get the hang of things. If you're inclined to watch along and you have some time, I'd love to add your comments to the recap posts if you'd like.
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 7:19 AM
He had just finished Feelings in the fall of 94, and it since that was pretty popular, they put him in this handsome man role.
I think the writer said something like the most popular character ever to have nothing to do with the plot, but by golly, he was what kept me watching!!
Elle
January 16, 2015 at 7:36 AM
"most popular character ever to have nothing to do with the plot" <-- LOL! That was well said.
I loved him too. He was really an impetus to keep watching b/c otherwise, it was a very heavy show. There was not much laughter or even romance even though both of the main characters "loved" Hye-rin. And that bromance was pretty epic and so tragic. Although "tragic" seems so trite of a word to use when we consider what happened in the end. It was a really good drama though.
Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM
@Elle--
Where can I find your recaps?
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:01 PM
Sandglass recaps are at http://www.worththedrama.com
New episode recaps on Mondays and Thursdays.
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:55 PM
Thanks! Looking forward!
owl
January 16, 2015 at 8:08 AM
"Just be normal!" - was that your daughter to her mother that was embarrassing her? :)
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 8:16 AM
That was Mom telling Daughter not to make drama watchers seem strange. LOL I think she must have been making funny faces after delivering the serious lines. I needed her to save the strange for the OTHER part.
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 9:06 AM
Hi owl! (Sorry to hijack your comment jomo)
I didn't get a chance to reply last week in OT when you mentioned your blog troubles. I checked out your site. Glad it's fixed. Awesome artwork!
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 9:42 AM
Thanks, Elle. We have help from a great beanie, don't we!
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:04 PM
Too True!
CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 9:52 AM
It is very cute!
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 10:54 AM
Thanks!
I have a Valid Love thought to work out.
Il ri went from Andro, to Teacher's protector, to house painter waiting years for him to come back, to Teacher's wife and Hee-soo's caretaker. check.
Carpenter Kim comes along and shakes her tree.
(He really loved her peaches. ;D )
She falls out - not against her will despite what she says, because her WILL worked hard keeping him in her thoughts and talks with HS.
OK. So now we have a woman who has discovered that she has a will to...be happy. Be sad. Be smexy that doesn't actually have to do with anyone else.
She also finds her husband who has taken her for granted all those years, doesn't want her around once he sees she wants things other than him, and SHE realizesa he doesn't see her as she really is, but some vague blob of woman-person in my life.
But then he DOES want her around because, well, she keeps him warm at night and he doesn't want to buy a new blanket.
She's out of the tree and doesn't want to climb back onto another one, even if it looks like Lee Soo-hyuk.
Now she wonders what can be experienced on the ground?
She needs to sort out all the things and build her own treehouse,* too.
*I know a good carpenter she could use...
So not a lot of action in the past few eps, but I am OK with it now.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 11:39 AM
I love these metaphores.
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM
:)
CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 11:49 AM
On the one hand, i think: Okay, the writer is doing a good job of showing how love and human nature and immaturity can all work together to mess up a good relationship. So i applaud writer for being "honest" about real life love.
I say, "well, she's trying to bring super progressive ideas such as it's okay to be divorced, don't judge divorcees yadda yadda, we all have a right to die, women have a right to their bodies if they don't want to have a child (and they don't have to tell their husbands), so yeah..she's stepping gingerly into feminism, liberal ideas.
But on the other hand I think, BULL! This woman writer does not have the courage of her convictions. Why create an adulteress who didn't commit adultery but who is vilified as if she had? Why create a character who "decides not to have a baby" and manages throughout 7 years to wow, not ever get pregnant? Why create a character who is "responsible for messing up her marriage" when she is given such over-the-top excuses we can't even forgive her because she really hasn't done anything? Ah, the selling of a victim!
And yet, i really like this drama...even if it's all so muddled.
And seriously, if this female character were a guy character
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM
I dont see a problem in selling a character if the writer wnts to do so. isnt that the point of all stories
jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 12:07 PM
I agree that not actually committing adultery was kinda weaksauce. That way she gets to be divorced, but the audience doesn't see her as a sinner, so she becomes more palatable and sympathetic.
CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 1:38 PM
I don't mind selling a character but over-selling a character shows a distrust of he viewer/reader. Heck, we reeaders are always pretty primed to forgive the hero/heroine of any story simply because we're seeing the story through his/her POV. The writer should have trusted our kindness instead of overdoing the traits that would make us like her
a) oddball/eccentric/arty type
b) married her teacher
c) has convenient asthma
d) unskilled laborer
e) has paralyzed sis in law who collapsed on the very day she returned
f) alone at home with no one to talk to
8) did not have a chance to grow and have other relationships
9) did not actually commit adultery
We probably would've understood heroine without all the pile-on.
When a guy commits adultery in a kdrama, he isn't generally given all these silly excuses. Either it is true lust/ true love/ or a horrible wife. And when it comes to men the audience either thinks, "Idiot!" or "Thank God he's free from that horrible woman." And we either forgive him in the long run as we have with ahjussi father-in-law. Or we rail against him.
Here, the writer wanted to write about humans without blaming or vilifying anyone. She didn't give us a creepy hubby. She gave us a loving family. But she wanted to give us a marriage that failed and a temptation. She wanted, i think, to blame life. And to say whtever it is she wants to say. But she muddied her premise a bit much. So now we don't know what her theme is or what the character's issue is.
Was there always in this marriage a sorrow/secret eating away at it? Was it kinda doomed to unhappiness at the start? Heroine not telling hubby about why she didn't have a baby is a bit meh. Is heroine affirming her female right to her body? Is heroine shown as lying in her marriage to begin with? Is heroine psychologically guilt-ridden? And what is heroine learning now? Is she just generally growing up? Or is she learning that her husband never understood that Friend/husband/lover/Teacher were all the same to her and inseparable entities?
Is all this about life and love? Is all this leading to a theme where we say "let us take life as it comes and not overwhelm ourselves with foolish notions of forcing life/marriage/babies on to people"?? Is there a feminist or right-to-life thesis hidden in the heroine's "awakening"?
So for me.. a writer can sell a character but if it's about a valid theme, the writer has to prove her point to me without seeming careless?
5 4D
January 16, 2015 at 6:20 AM
Happy Friday Beanies!!
Too many new shows…along with too many of my friends having breakups….so I’m still behind on things. And I’m behind on Healer!! That’s my current favorite so that’s actually pretty upsetting. I will catch up by tomorrow night though with that. I just refuse to watch it at work because I want to see it on a big screen and not my dinky phone. Also there’s usually 600+ comments before subs are even out so I veer away from comment on that one now. But on to a few things I did see.
Heart to Heart: Caught up on this one! I always need about 4-5 episodes to really know how I’m feeling about a show but I’ll attempt this anyway. I think it’s cute, but I don’t know about the big picture. It has potential though. Definitely a Second Lead Syndrome going. He’s too perfect to be real but I don’t care – that’s why it’s on television. However, I also appreciate that I find nothing charming about the lead guy right now at all. Sometimes I think the cold chaebol are shown as jerks but also too charming at the same time. This one doesn’t even feel like they’re trying to make him likeable. I appreciate that. They’ll really have to win me over to get on board this ship though because he’s a giant jerk right now. I actually like the actress right now. Sure everyone in this is a bit OTT but it’s working for me. I can’t wait until her sassiness comes out into her every day world. And also a bit more in the grandmother disguise (but I hope that family doesn’t become and trope-y as it seems).
Kill Me, Heal Me: I’m behind. I’ve only seen the first two episodes. Like many I’m enjoying his bad boy alter personality a bit too much. I would not like him in real life but Ji Sung is clearly having so much fun with this part and he looks good in that getup so….more please! The chaebol thing is again rather overdone…and I am tired of the psychiatrists who are clearly so unprofessional. I know how they’re tying the two characters together but really why spend so much time in a professional setting without the smallest attempt to have her act realistic? I don’t mind her, I just think the character doesn’t work in that setting. She’d put every patient on edge. Mostly I’m just here for the many personalities. I hope it stays a bit wacky all the way through.
Seonam Girls: Well not much actually got resolved this episode but it’s nice that they’re aiming for a bigger story arc as well. I have a theory that the artist was in on the “Attack”. It makes sense that he’d ask for the camera bag when leaving if it was hiding something. Plus he said this show was for someone special and I got the feeling that he didn’t mean the pictures but the chaos and perhaps staged attack. Of course, I could very well be wrong. I also thought it was odd the brother could be so wrong about Mi Do. Hyeri looks nothing like her, even the photo shopped version.
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 6:21 AM
And extra tidbits that didn't fit in the word count...
I wanted to watch the first "Persevere GHR" but the subs never got completed enough. Same with the latest Frost episode. This is probably a sign that I should not pick shows that are just on sites subbed by volunteers. Sigh. (The volunteers subbers are AMAZING so that's no complaints about them...just a comment on my complete inability to have patience these days.)
Spy - I need to get to this. I mean to but there were just too many shows! Without giving anything away....is it worth it? Good start?
Pinocchio - Oops, still stuck on episode 15! I need to get a move on. And I heard Lee Joon was making a cameo! I'm so sad about MBLAQ but I'm glad he's going to get to focus on his acting.
Imitiation Game - Yep, not Korean. Kind of hard for me to critique without spoilers. I'll just say that I enjoyed it but I have some issues with the flow, especially with the end. But there are some really good performances and I found all the war time stuff really interesting even when I knew what most of this was about.
I'm still peeved about Jang Geun Seok no longer being on the show and actually being cut out from the scenes that were shot. It seems like such an odd overblown reaction. I'm also more and more concerned that he's going to have military time at the lowest point in his career. I'm actually not a huge JGS fan (my friend who introduced me to kdramas is though), but I have enjoyed his stuff and he's worked hard at this since he was a child....and I think the public should give him a break. Along with a nice juicy role.
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Joleneey
January 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM
You have to watch Spy!
Its up in the tops of my ranks at the moment together with KMHM.
You dont have to worry about it being another doctor stranger (cross fingers since its still a lil too early), and I think i am beginning to appreciate shows that do not center on romance! (e.g. Misaeng, Punch, Spy) The mom-son r/s in Spy is what keeps me going!
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:13 AM
I'm really fortunate to have actually skipped Doctor Stranger altogether. So many people bring up that show with anger and bitterness lol. I think I might try to watch Spy today after I catch up with KMHM. I too am enjoying having shows with little to no romance (perhaps started for me with Bad Guys). The dynamics in Spy sound fun...and as redfix pointed out, there needs to be more ahjumma appreciation both from fans and by writers.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:38 AM
in KMHM I was so disturbed by the doctors abandoning work to go spy and gossip on the door. WTF? what if your patients die? I guess the hospital only has Miss Husky as the patient
but those are little things that disturb me. this drama has a vibe of old style camp / cult series, it somehow feels so retro, but I love that.
except they blew their budjet with the explosions in ep 3 and now it is just stand / sit and talk + lots of PPL to compensate. in ep 4 they are on the phone ALL THE TIME. sponsor suck-up.
but still, steo up the game I am still on the train
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:59 AM
Yeah, the gossip, the jokes, the screaming....and they're in psych? They need to be the most aware of how their actions impact their patients.
But I agree that the style is really refreshing. I haven't seen 3&4 yet (on today's list) but so far it's really fun. I miss that. Fun and zany is fine by me.
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ywcnois
January 16, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Mm... I guess that one of the reasons that the subs are pretty late these days, is that viki suddenly got a lot of last-minute licenses. So the teams might not have had enough time to find more (or more fluent) subbers. I think it might improve soon enough.
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Aigoooo
January 16, 2015 at 8:06 AM
I am watching Heart to Heart because of the heroine. I love quirky heroines and I think Choi Kang Hee is cute in the role.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:15 PM
I totally agree on the unprofessional behavior of ALL of the hospital staff. Oh Ri Jin is not always doing her job, but then, she´s had herself kidnapped and stuff. yet sexpresses the desire to get back to work. but if I were her patient, oh my gosh I would feel more like a babysitter. but she did have a serious discussion with the other doctor who treated Do hyun before, so...
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January 16, 2015 at 6:21 AM
Ok, so since I know I’m going to babble and this will be loaded with spoilers (although it’s all aired so it should be obvious I’m talking about the whole show), I’m devoting this whole post to:
PRIDE & PREJUDICE
I actually caught up with this show last week and this week got to finish on time!! I have a lot of thoughts in my head rattling around that I’ll try to put together in a coherent fashion. I’m not totally enamored of this show even though there was some great acting and several really good episodes. The extension did them no favors and there were far too many flashbacks which I think took away from some of the tension and pacing. I also think the random 3 year bit was way too tacked on. I personally don’t enjoy courtroom shows so I was bummed that that’s how it ended (although I suppose I can’t be too surprised) but I felt it was much more exciting leading up to the end. And I’m ok with the end but I wish they’d somehow done it differently. It felt a bit anticlimactic.
I also am ok with a sort of ambiguous ending and I know that they were making some social commentary on the state of things right now in Korea (emphasized by Choi Min Soo himself when he declined his award). It makes sense that even in their victory there’s still an overhanging cloud. But I still think the execution in the end was lacking. I also really really wished some moments had happened that didn’t happen. Like Kang Soo having any interaction with Lawyer Jeong after he wakes up. I mean the moment when he visit and is saying that he’s going to try not to hate him was really nice…but then he wakes up and they’re in the same court room etc. and there’s nothing. And the lawyer is completely acting dumb so that the company will keep to their promise to not hurt Kang Soo. Sigh. Oh and I also liked that the mom told Kang Soo to let go of Han Byul now. It was sweet.
I think the romance (and partial love triangle at the beginning) was so completely unnecessary. In fact the flashbacks made me realize how much the setup felt like a completely different kind of show. I’m actually glad it changed tone, but the episodes in the middle were the best and after that it started to get muddled. I really wish there had been a discussion group on here even if there were no recaps because !!! Ahem. But I did like a lot of the acting. I still stick by my comment last week that in the beginning the Chief Moon scenes just felt like he dominated everything and it was a bit too intense. But then the show upped its intensity and then he felt perfect. Heck, even the eye candy acted well!
I know I had more thoughts but my brain is still waking up. I’d love to hear any and all thoughts on this show.
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xxvxx
January 16, 2015 at 6:37 AM
OMG FINALLY A PRIDE AND PREJUDICE COMMENT -
Granted, I'm on the Healer bandwagon as well but I need to talk about Pride and Prejudice since DB didn't do recaps and the soompi forum didn't provide me with the crack I need for this drama. Considering that it's a heavy drama I felt like I was brought around in circles and was with the characters when they started discovering clues to uncover the culprit. The ending was very abrupt, it felt like the writer might have just given up..?
The acting was perfect, I felt like giving a standing ovation to Choi Min Soo for being such a perfect perfect Chief Moon. He is so human, trying to do the right thing but circumstances occur and sometimes you've gotta make a choice even if the choice could lead to ... you know *no spoilers* something morbid.
Choi Jin Hyuk was stellar... This is a good goodbye drama before he leaves for the mandatory military service. I will miss him so so much.
I feel like the writer did not do Baek Jin Hee justice, in the end it felt like she was at the sidelines.. Although there were a few episodes where she played a pivotal role into uncovering the whole case.
Choi (so many Chois!!) Woo Shik has IMPECCABLE comic timing. He was SUCH a joy to watch!
Anyway, I agree with you about the romance being unnecessary, there was little to no interaction between Jinhee and Jinhyuk, it felt like they could have just been colleagues and the drama will still work fine!
The whole Park Man Geun story arc was a bit far fetched. Like, I was expecting a totally different person but when it was that guy... It felt like I went on this amazing rollercoaster only to land badly? Nevertheless, I must applaud the writer for writing this whole case, with 4 - 5 different cases intertwining with each other. That was ingenious tbh.
I'm kind of sad it's over... But I'm glad there's Healer to uhmm.. 'heal' me. HEHEHEHE
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Evita
January 16, 2015 at 6:57 AM
I watched P&P till the end and I still have some questions left.
1. Why was it necessary to try to kill Kang Soo? Okay, he witnessed the accident, so what? Even if he could have caused problems, those were problems for chief Moon and that lawyer. Why did the secret organization get involved?
2. What happened to Han Byul? I know Panda took both boys and stuffed them in his car, then went to the factory. Then Kang Soo escaped and Panda was killed, and it happened during the day. So did Han Byul stay in the car? How come he was sitting in that warehouse, apparently "dying" in the evening? What happened to him in the meantime and why didn't he run away?
3. Who was that guy in chief Moon's car at the end?
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Ann
January 16, 2015 at 7:33 AM
Not to mention: Why did they want to kill Dong-Chi at the beginning?
I am convinced that the writer had a nervous breakdown in the middle of the show and they just kept going without a script. I still have no idea what happened.
And the romance was not good enough to cover the plot problems.
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:51 AM
1. This is the hardest one for me to answer because most of this was at the beginning and I forget. They'd just gotten the information on some giant case and they wouldn't have made it in time if he'd stopped and been arrested...and it's possible the whole thing could have been thrown our. Whatever that thing was that the special prosecution department dud changed the shift if power at the top, and to keep it in th new form, the company needed I make sure none of it was questioned. I think the original plan was not to kill Kang Soo but just hide him until the treat had passed. But our main villain personally decided to take it one step farther....and then he was to high up and important so the company covered for him.
2. They told panda to kill the kid and kang soo says panda went and smothered him with a blanket until you couldn't hear him cry any more. So I think he was mostly dead and left behind where our villain checked to see if he'd make it or not. And then....spontaneous fire? Lol. So probably technically died from smoke inhalation in the end.
3. The guy at the end was I'm sure just another hired hand by our main company.
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Pranx
January 16, 2015 at 2:25 PM
1. That lawyer (Chang Gi) was a whistleblower lawyer for his company. Moon was a part of investigation team which was looking into that company. On the night of the accident, both of them were racing against time to get some incriminating documents which would seal the case. If the hit-and-run had come to light, Chang Gi's credibility would be hurt and the case would be shot open. Hence the need to cover it up. So Kang Soo as the sole witness had to die.
2. I imagine Kang Soo ran out of the car, then White Bear (Panda was the drug dealer from earlier episodes) turned attention to Hyan byul and suffocated him with a blanket. Imagining him to be dead, he switched back to Kang soo, and tried to drown him. This is where Dong chi rescued him, and lost his consciousness. All this time Hyan byul was left in that factory half dead. That is how Choi found him in evening, and he just let him be assuming the cold winter night or the fire would kill that child. I skipped out on Dong Chi's father because even I don't know how he fits into the story.
3. That guy was one of Hwa young foundation's lackeys. He was the one holding Yeol Moo's disciplinary hearing. The point was to show that Hwa Young has their tentacles everywhere.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 8:21 AM
I'll post here with all the others:
Prosecutors Prosecuting Prosecutors: *spoiler* Final thoughts: I absolutely love Chief Moon, he stole the show. His is an underappreciated master at his profession in a politically thankless position. His voice and demeanor were persuasive and portrayed more than just the words he spoke. The trial was a circus of sorts with everyone involved in the crime 15 years ago either on the witness stand or lawyer-ing, or both, something that has been pointed out all along as too small a gene pool even for a kdrama. I came to sympathize with the mother and understood how she could be stuck with the pain of losing a child and with so many unanswered questions went off the deep end. Her words to Kang Soo, “Let go of Han Byul now. You’ll wear yourself out carrying that heavy burden,” was quite a big step. The romance fizzle was disappointing – although how breathtakingly handsome was Dong Chi in the “3 years later” blip at the end - gah! Other loose ends left untied – I thought the storyline of Kang Soo and the boy who stopped talking after his sister was killed would be more complete. Also, Kang Soo’s mother’s death was glossed over, and the side crimes to the major crime unnecessarily cluttered the story. Actually, a lot about Kang Soo was left incomplete, and other than testifying, his story fell by the wayside. I liked Yeol Moo, but I thought she could have developed a bit of sparkle as the weighty matters in her life were resolved. In my mind, I pictured Dong Chi and his father swaggering out of the courtroom arms over shoulders singing, “I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy.” In the end, justice was served the kdrama way.
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7 Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:23 AM
*crawles out from mountain of books*
Hi beanies! Happy friday, how are you all? btw does anyone know what happened to Christmas? I need a holiday holiday please...
So much to read so little time. I miss drama watching!! Especially with healer and pinochio (which i somehow managed to get up to date on the recaps for) both which seems so much better than anticipated. And all the new dramas... *sad face*
On the other hand i have had my MA dissertation idea deemed possible, which is something!
One question: when do you read recaps?
As someone who is not a spoilerphobe i sometimes read recaps when i have no time to do drama watching/as procrastination. This means that there are some times where i have "read" dramas instead of watching them. Anyone else have this experience at times?
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iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 6:32 AM
I actually only do it with dramas that I'm watching. I did it with Personal Taste and am doing it with Emergency Couple. It helps get me through the parts where I just go a little crazy with what's currently happening in the drama.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 7:53 AM
Yeah, I've used recaps as ways to help understand what is happening at times. Or when I want to be able to skips things because I cannot watch what's happening.
It's just interesting to see how other people use recaps :)
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NahlaJW
January 16, 2015 at 6:39 AM
Hi @Manin how are you?
yes I had the same experience when I can't wait for the subs so I read the recaps and I spoil it for myself because if I knew what will happen during a particular episode I will not watch the episode normally , I'll just skip lots of stuff and look for the clips which I find it appealing more to me .
also, because I study in college I can't find time to watch dramas, so I read recaps during breaks or in the bus while going from/to the college
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 7:56 AM
"ll just skip lots of stuff and look for the clips which I find it appealing more to me" <-- haha yes this happenes for me too! Or I just wait in anticipation for a scene to come up.
Yes, college does cut down drama watching. Warning: thinking "I'll just read one recap as a study break. It'll be fine, it takes shorter time than watching the episode" is not as time saving as you'd think ;) That's my own experience :p
Especially for dissertation times! :P
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM
usually when the subs are not out yet but I want to know what happened in the episode. or I read all recaps for a certain drama I haven´t watched and then decide if I ant to see it myself
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 7:58 AM
I often do that with the first episodes of dramas that I'm not sure whether to watch or not. Wait to see f the recap of the first episode will make me want to watch it, or not.
Would you do the same with dramas where you drop it for some reason? continue with the recaps I mean
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 8:40 AM
I dont think so. then I really lose my interest
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:46 AM
I definitely "read" dramas instead of watching them. There are times when I have no interest in watching a drama but really want to know what happens so I'll read the recaps instead.
Then there are times when I am watching a drama and decide to drop it but I will continue to read the recaps, if they are available. With My Lovely Girl for example, I made it up to Episode 9 or 10 and just couldn't take it anymore. It was sooo boring that I just read the recaps instead and watched the final episode. I really really love RAIN, but I just couldn't sit through it anymore.
Sometimes I read recaps to decide if I want to watch a drama. I don't mind spoilers and recaps can only provide so much information so I embrace them!!
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 7:59 AM
I do that too! drop a drama but then continues the recaps cause I want to know what happens, just not enough to actually watch the episodes.
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:53 AM
Manin -
Hi! Great to see you! ..... I know that when you're in school, it just takes over. But what are you going to do, right? School's always a good thing, so it's ok. ..... I hope a holiday comes soon for you!
That's great news on your dissertation idea! Yay! ..... Getting an idea approved can often be a headache so it's always positive when you don't run into any obstacles.
Regarding your question, for me it kind of varies. Sometimes I read them when I missed a detail or I'm unsure if I understood something correctly. ..... Sometimes I read them when I watched something that had no subtitles (yes, that has been known to happen!). ..... Sometimes I read them to more clearly understand a cultural detail. ..... I often read them, simply because they're so well written and fantastic. ..... And I'll certainly read them when I'm watching a KBS drama, because on tv here, in order to fit in the commercials and end the drama in the allotted time, they cut out entire scenes. If it weren't for the wonderful recaps, I would have no idea that certain things happened or were said.
Take care and have a great day!
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Korfan:
Thanks! Yes school takes over and not in a nce gradual way either. One minute it's nothing to do, and BAM all of the things!
Yes, I still would need to get the official approval and stuff. And the professor told me to shift my focus a bit from the Viking sagas and onto the Viking poetry instead. But he said that I should be able to find stuff and gave me some books to look up as a starting point. Which makes me happy.
Oh KBS cutting scenes would be annoying... I think I saw someone commenting about that before.
I also find recaps to be helpfull for shows where you get very bad subs, as well as for those that are not subbed or only partially subbed. It's very nice to have the recaps to rely on then.
And dramabeans have some very well written recaps as you say. I've read some very bad recaps before, which made me appreciate the db crew even more.
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 4:54 PM
I totally agree with reading recaps purely because so many of them are written so well and include little snippets of commentary from the recappers that are on point, insightful, and often just plain funny.
I read recaps only of shows I've watched, and they always give me a better understanding of the show.
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 6:57 AM
I haven't read in advance for currently airing shows. I like going along for the ride. However, I have read ahead on some completed past shows...but only when I get a little stuck. Generally if I feel something bad or that I don't like is going to happen then I'll read ahead. It somehow calms me down and reassures me that it least there is good stuf afterwards even if my guess is right. Does that make any sense? My drama habits are a little kooky.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 8:21 AM
I get what you mean. Sometimes you just want to know that there are good things ahead, especially when a drama goes into that darker halfway point. And you just want to know if the pain will be worht it
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Mystique
January 16, 2015 at 7:01 AM
I "read" dramas alot even U.S tv series. And for the same reasons as you.
-When i want to get a better understanding of a drama.
- And also when i lose interest in a drama and don't want to bother myself watching the drama but still interested in knowing what's going on, i read recaps.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 8:08 AM
follow up question: do you prefer recaps with or without pictures?
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Mystique
January 16, 2015 at 1:14 PM
With pictures..
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 7:06 AM
Hi manin ☺ I usually read the recaps of the last few episodes of a series if I just don't feel like watching them. Like Pinocchio. So I read the recaps instead. There may be a few shows in which I need to know what's going on but I can't watch them because I don't feel like it. It happens with series like ' A new leaf ' or ' Punch'
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 8:11 AM
Yeah, I sometimes read recaps to find out if I want to watch a show or not. Do you ever read the recaps and then want to see the action play out? or are you happy to just "read" the drama and leave it at that?
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 8:55 AM
Interesting question. It was while I was reading the ' Healer' episode 2 recap, that I felt a sudden interest in watching the episode. Which then turned into a crazy obsession. I have watched all the episodes around 5 times and watch at least one favorite scene from any episode every day. I was happy to read all the gapdong recaps and never felt like watching any of the episodes. So it depends, I guess. ☺
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 9:13 AM
Yes I am with you there. Sometimes recps have made me want to watch at once. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes a drama just hooks you no matter which way you discover it :)
shukmeister
January 16, 2015 at 7:07 AM
Hi Manin!
My reasoning for reading recaps:
1) If the subs were slow, I read slowly while watching the show.
2) If the subs were out, I'd watch the show, then read the recaps to check out any nuances I might have missed, especially when the recap is done by a native and can let me in on any subtle jokes / word plays / or accents (such as satoori)
My reasoning for creating recaps:
1) I started out by choosing shows no one else was recapping (the first being When A Man Loves, two years ago). My current SK dramas I'm recapping are old: Winter Sonata(recently completing episode 12); and Baby Faced Beauty (which is on hiatus until WS is completed).
2) I'm now working on Thai productions for similar reasons. I like the idea of a casual reader liking my description so much that they will search out and watch the show. That way deserving shows get more love! :-)
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 8:13 AM
Which reminds me... I'm so behind (both on watching and reading) on that Thai drama you recapped with the marriage contract with the prince and the body guard which falls in love with her (and he better get the girl cause he is so awesome..)
I cannot remember what it's called. And sorry for a very bad description.
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shukmeister
January 16, 2015 at 10:28 AM
Manin -
La Ruk Sut Kop Fah / Chasing Love To the Final Horizon. I'm up to recapping episode 11 out of 20 for that one. 8-)
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 5:11 PM
Yes that one! Go you! I have so much to catch up on! *glances to the book mountain*
Mama J
January 16, 2015 at 8:51 AM
Ahhh, WAML. Those were the days.
I don't often read recaps anymore, but I used to read them for shows I was watching to see if my take on a character's emotions or motivation was on target, since in the early days I did have a hard time understanding these things, even with subs. I also read them to get the extra info, like Shuk says.
I WILL still check in on recaps for shows I drop because even if I don't want to watch the crazy anymore, I want to know how it ends.
Writing them is mostly so I can say what I want how I want in a place where people are reading it because they specifically sought it out, not taking up room elsewhere or hogging a conversation. I haven't felt like saying a whole lot lately, though.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 9:16 AM
Ah the WAML days, they were fun. I never watched the drama, but was pretty hooked at reading the squeecaps for it. Mostly for the humour. And the snark.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 9:52 AM
Those WERE the days, JoAnne. suits, white shirts, shirtless (^^sighing and looking out the window happily daydreaming away^^)
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shukmeister
January 16, 2015 at 10:31 AM
Owl - LOL. I am pushing JoAnne into finishing A Witch's Romance squeecaps. We completed episode 15 last week, and I'm hoping to finish the final episode this week!
Then I want her to possibly consider Blood, especially if it looks like a cray cray watch!
owl
January 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM
I am in love with Witch's Romance. i will check out the squeecaps for sure~
TS
January 16, 2015 at 9:15 AM
I haven't written recaps yet, but I feel they might happen if I'm super into a show.
Sometimes, I write about what's happening in a show in my own journal because something or other is bothering me and I want to figure out what button is being pushed. But, since that's personal, I'm not putting that up.
Actually, scratch that first thought, because once my ultimate bias, Block B's Jaehyo, gets cast into a drama or variety show, no matter who stupid it is, or how much it makes me cringe, or throw up or whatever, I plan to recap it.
However, since my bias is notoriously underpromoted, I guess I won't be recapping anything any time soon!
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 9:20 AM
Hm yes I have been wanting to do a "drama analysis dictionary style" for a while. Inspired by my many dictionary searches and hate for latin. But knowing me I'd probably never get around to actually do it, never mind putting it up.
Block B. I do like some of their songs. No idea who is who though.. Then again i've been told I just fail as a fan/fangirl when it comes to groups before.
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TS
January 16, 2015 at 9:49 AM
I'm saving my recap energy for my bias. :-) No way I could commit to doing them otherwise.
TenJung Girl
January 16, 2015 at 2:05 PM
I fail as a fan girl too. Example: I've been a Dr. Who fan since the 70s, even been to a bunch of conventions etc... But can I name who the companions are or which episode is which and with whom? Nope. I just enjoy. It is how I approach watching Kdramas. I watch for the enjoyment and reading the recaps add to that enjoyment in giving me a better understanding.
Does anybody do this, watch the show raw to actually look and see the acting and what is being played out and then go back and watch it with subs because one is just reading and not able to "watch" the show?
museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 7:59 AM
I read dramas I don't want to watch but am curious about (Heart to Heart but I like it now), those that I don't have time to watch but want to (sadly this might be Punch soon since I fell behind), those I dropped out of irritation but want to know what happens (did that with IOIL). When I first discovered Dramabeans a few months into my kdrama discovery I read almost everything up here I was that obsessed so shows I missed. I'm more selective now but I also read recaps of the shows I am watching to squee or vent or just to have a richer watching experience, especially if I watch with partial subs and dont have enough time to watch when they're completed.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 8:17 AM
Ah yes initial discovery of db and the following "Must read everything!" been there, done that :P
How did you stumble upon dramabeans? For me it was cause the next episode of "playful kiss" (god that was ages ago...) had only broken links/bad subs where I was watching, so was trying to find it somewhere else. And stumbled upn DB and never left.
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 8:52 AM
One fateful day I was watching Rooftop Prince on a friend's recommendation and was getting annoyed at Princey's complete and utter ignorance at the shenanigans of the princess reincarnate. I stopped in the middle of episode...somewhere b/t 11-13 and googled something akin to "what episode does the prince find out dat hoe is a lying liar who lies in rooftop prince?" and fell upon Dramabeans. Never even knew such things as recaps existed before then but it was so funny and informative I didn't end up going back to the episode that happened, I sat on the pc for hours just reading. I got to skip all the silliness and didn't pick it back up till the last episode. Never looked back. I will always have fond memories of The Man Who Couldn't Murder. Poor Tae-mu. And I ironically love Jung Yumi too! Good times.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 9:21 AM
Haha, yes recaps are good for jumping over silliness, especially when you start getting frustrated.
shukmeister
January 16, 2015 at 3:59 PM
museofmanymasks -
..."The Man Who Couldn't Murder"...
LOL - that one made me spittake.
Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 11:01 AM
@museofmanymasks
Wow. I did the exact same thing with all the dramas you mentioned, for the same reasons you mentioned LOL.
Although, I do think I will continue with Punch eventually if continues to be good to the end.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM
oh that book pile!!!! I know it well.
I read recaps when I don't have time to watch..or don't wish to watch...or want to catch up but don't want to watch every one of the past episodes.
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Manin
January 17, 2015 at 2:33 AM
Yes the book pile is slightly depressing. If only it had been books that I actually wanted to read and not had to read..
yeah recaps are nice in that way. They take less time as well than watching. Which is how I trick myself that reading just one (and the next... and the next...) is fine for occasional procrastination :p
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Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 10:56 AM
Oh, it really depends on the drama. There are some dramas that I get SERIOUS about. Meaning, I love and am so invested in them that I simply can't even glance at the recap before seeing the episode.
There are other dramas that maybe I really like parts of, but I get nervous about where the show is heading so I put it aside and check in with the blurbs at the top and maybe with some of the commentary at the end to see whether it's worth continuing. Even if I do continue it, it's most likely the type of show that I don't mind getting spoiled a bit for, even if a do like it. In those cases, I don't spoil myself too much though.
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okiejune
January 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM
Yup, I'm a blurb checker too :D
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:43 AM
Hi Manin!
I like to read recaps if I'm watching a drama and it's being recapped here. And sometimes I've read recaps for a first episode, to decide if I'm interested or not, or if I've skipped an episode then I read it instead.
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fab
January 16, 2015 at 1:20 PM
I am a spoilerphobe...until I meet the perfect drama. *cough*Healer*cough*
So I have to watch the episode completely subbed before I come to DB to read the recaps and comments. And I don't watch previews, they're are the biggest spoiler.
Perfect drama draws me in and I can't let it go and wait for the next episode...
Answer Me 1997 wasn't really popular among subbers in its early episodes, so I had no choice but to watch it raw accompanied with DB's recaps.
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lc
January 16, 2015 at 5:56 PM
Hi @ Manin, I'll read recaps for dramas that I have a slight interest in but don't intend to watch for myself - it helps to save me time this way, and I'll watch the interesting parts if I feel like it. Or else after some time has lapsed after I have watched the drama - 3 Musketeers is an example.
From experience I realised that my drama watching experience is diluted if I read recaps for the episode straightaway after watching it. What fills my head then will not be my own feels and thoughts from watching the episode and scenes, but those of other commenters'. Tree with Deep Roots is a good drama but it was ruined that way for me, sorry to say.
So my lesson learned is that the drama experience absorption comes first, then the retrospective sharing of the drama with others.
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Manin
January 17, 2015 at 2:37 AM
"So my lesson learned is that the drama experience absorption comes first, then the retrospective sharing of the drama with others"
That is a point. though sometimesii would read it straight after because I think "I want to know this person reaction to this scene". Though that tends to be more for later episodes when the mood has been sorta established. (one exacmple being the flashing scene in witch's romance)
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justanotherleo
January 17, 2015 at 9:01 AM
Why I read recaps
1) I first began reading recaps when I couldn't find subbed episodes of old shows online and stumbled upon Dramabeans. I have not stopped since. There's just this sense of community here on dramabeans so you don't feel that you are watching a show alone. What's more, I love reading the insightful comments and discussion here. As teacher of literature I love the character and plot analysis and whatever analysis that goes on here though I'm more of a lurker who usually has no time to comment.
2) I read recaps (1st two ep) to determine if a show is worth watching, especially when I have no time to watch. Like Right Now. TT
3) I can't help myself. I want to know what happens since the sub is not out yet or even if the sub is out but I simply have no time to watch the show yet. I don't really mind spoilers so it doesn't really matter to me.
4) I drop a show and wants to know what happens in the end.
5) I have no time to watch a show yet want to know what is going on. For example, I read 'I Can Hear Your Voice' instead of watching it.
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8 iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 6:30 AM
Heartbroken that Pinocchio is over. I seriously had zero expectations for this drama and it was just so good. I'm debating on whether or not I will watch the one taking over the slot.
Watching Emergency Couple as well because I just can't get enough of YGN News' Cap. It's pleasant but nothing earth-shaking.
Sadly this weekend will be free of dramas because my sister and I are participating in a sci-fi movie marathon. It'll be fun, but not dramas will make me crazy.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM
yeah Pinocchio is over, the story could have been done in a number of ways, but this is how it went this time. Maybe it could get a Thai / taiwan remake and do it a little differentlY? I would liek it if the other paths had been explored...
Lee Jong Seuk is carrying his roles like a pro by now, he seemed a little stiff and shaky in the beginning of his road, but now he really carries the scenes. And together with Park Shin Hye they made a surprisingly good match. wow.
Both Moms - Kim Hae-Sook and Jin Kyung - did a great job!
I would like to see Kim Hae Sook and Kim Sang Joon together in some drama where they would both be baddies who become reluctant partners on some mission but not holding back on any means to get to the goal. It would be chilling. maybe I´d get a heart attack though...
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iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 7:21 AM
Jin Kyung seriously impressed me. I loved her character in "It's Okay, It's Love." She was such a caring mentor to Gong Hyo-Jin's character that I was shocked to see her being so callous in Pinocchio. I'm keeping an eye out for her in the future. As for Kim Hae-Sook, I am going to seek out her past work because she was SO good.
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Tara
January 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM
@redfox: I second your suggestion of having Kim Hae-sook and Kim Sang-joong pairing up together for a drama as badasses...because they would be so awesome!! :)
And I agree about Lee Jong-suk and Park Shin-hye. I mean, who knew she would be suitable for the In-ha role...much less have such cute chemistry with LJS? I suppose I had low expectations of her due to her past works, but dude...she brought spunky In-ha to life.
@iheartbusterk: If you can't get enough of Cap Hwang (Lee Pil-mo is awesome!), I would suggest catching him in two dramas -- The Sons of Sol Pharmacy and Golden Era of Daughter-in-law. The latter is where I first became a fan, the former where I loved him even more!
I even watched Lights & Shadows to see his villain through! (I wouldn't suggest that though...unless you like watching period dramas, it's the 60s/70s I believe).
I'm not sure where both are available though.
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drama4mama
January 16, 2015 at 7:07 AM
Scifi movie marathon? That sounds so awesome!!
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iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 7:14 AM
My sister's alma mater, Case Western, does it every January. It's a lot of fun, but exhausting. This year has a lot of older sci-fi films to watch, which can either bring out our snarkiness or just enjoyed.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 9:56 AM
scifi movie marathon? Oh, tell us more!
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iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM
It's about 18-24 hours of watching sci-fi, some good and some bad, some new and some old. There's always a couple of new movies and usually at least one movie with questionable special effects from the 40s or 50s.
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shukmeister
January 16, 2015 at 4:04 PM
I just recently watched Cloud Atlas, which I highly suggest alcohol in order to watch it, if it's on your list.
One of my kdrama regulars, NewKDramaAddict, watched and recco'd "Thermae Romae", which I thought was hysterical. It's touted as Sci-fi, but what it really is, is a comedy.
It's a Japanese movie about a Roman hot bath architect who time 'flows' between ancient Rome and modern-day onsens to find inspiration for new ideas.
The ideas included: shower hoses, shower caps, aquariums, sluice buckets, scrubby washclothes, bubbles jacuzzi-style....
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:41 AM
yeah, after Pinocchio I'm not in any hurry to watch more weekday dramas, (and wasn't a huge Hyun Bin fan anyway). Some withdrawal time is needed!
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9 NahlaJW
January 16, 2015 at 6:31 AM
Happy Friday Beanies
I guess it's my first time posting early in this thread *_*
I'm used to read comments of other beanies who I can call sunbeas ,as I learn a lot from their analysis of dramas, so a big thanks to everyone here for making it enjoyable and funny reading.
now I'll go back to study for tomorrows final exam heheh *Runs*
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:43 AM
Welcome to the open thread! Hope you enjoy your stay here. This place is addicting at times so you might find yourself stuck ;)
And good luck on your exam!
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:51 AM
It surely is addicting. I always tell myself I'll just come and say hi or just read a little and then two hours later I'm still here. Or I work a bit, then check OT a bit, then work a bit. If any non-addict saw me, they'd think I was a bit mad.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 8:23 AM
I do the same.. Especially when what I need to read for my classes is boring. :p
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NahlaJW
January 16, 2015 at 7:14 AM
Thank you Manin , yeah it is addicting especially when there are too many to discuss and to talk about xD
I sometimes post here but I don't get in the long discussion as I don't feel like I can give any insights better than you guys ?
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 8:24 AM
Don't worry, I feel the same way! Especially at the moment as I'm currently not watching Healer so I feel like I have nothing to contribute to discussions, since most of them are for that drama :p
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10 wonhwa
January 16, 2015 at 6:31 AM
Is anyone else having issues with insanely long ads on Viki (as in 8, 12, and even 40 minutes long)? This just started happening about two weeks ago, and I haven't been able to find a way to bypass them. I'm fine with regular-length ads, since I know they pay for the content, but when the commercials become longer than the show I'm trying to watch it's no longer worth it. It's a shame since I like Viki's subs better than most other sites.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:45 AM
Have noticed that sometimes i get 5+ long adds in a row. And sometimes just 5min of episode before a new round of adds.
On the other hand viki doesn't seem to like me much. Sometimes i cannot watch things there because the video doesn't want to load or i get the notice to try out the vikipass that cannot be closed.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:52 AM
yes, yes, there is this dog ad that comes on 8-9 times, I close it, it comes again, hate the music, sick of it. stop already. if you must, show it once, why again and again? and some ads are long too. annoying
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 8:00 AM
redfox -
Either I'm simply not paying attention or I'm out of it, but I don't think I've ever seen where you can close an ad on Viki. Where do you close it?
I don't get ads on my tablet for whatever reason, but I do get them on my laptop. No idea I could close them and continue with the drama. I'll have to check next time I visit the site.
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 8:13 AM
It's like YouTube sometimes where after so any seconds there will be a place that says "skip this ad" usually in the lower right hand corner.
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 8:29 AM
4D -
Oh ok. I've seen the "skip this ad" on YouTube, but I swear I've never seen it on Viki. I will certainly look for it next time. Thanks.
ywcnois
January 16, 2015 at 8:10 AM
And you can't skip it? o.o
I have a viki pass, but when I didn't, I sometimes had long ads that played for about 5 (or was it 10?) seconds and then I could skip them..
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 8:11 AM
On a computer yes....they've gotten ridiculous. Or I get five ads back to back...and they end up all being the same ad.
Watching on my phone is different though. Shorter and fewer ads. So I tend to Viki at work lol.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
January 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM
I use adblock... works like magic.
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wonhwa
January 16, 2015 at 10:07 AM
Do those work on tablets?
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
January 16, 2015 at 10:37 AM
I have no idea though. I guess so?
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11 korfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:32 AM
Hello Everyone!
I hope you are all doing well today.
Watched this week:
Healer - I'm sooooo into this one, you can't even imagine it. Then again, recaps are garnering 1900+ comments, so I'm not the only one, right? Heh. ....... Seriously, the only thing stopping me from proclaiming this my favorite of the year is knowing that 2015 has just started and we still have many, many more dramas coming up and the fact that I'm not even half way through this one! ....... But what can I say? It's simply excellent. ....... Ji Chang-wook! So I remember seeing him for the first time a couple of years ago in K. Will's video for his song, "I Need You." ....... Who knew back then that the guy featured in that music video would go on to impress as the Healer. ....... The Healer role is simply fitting Ji Chang-wook very, very well.
Secret Door - Finally finished this! ....... I may be in the minority, but I really liked it. ....... Sure, I'll never know if the events that were shown really happened that way in real life or not, but it did present a plausible option.
Mr. Baek - So it's slapstick-y at times ....... but sometimes, at the end of the day, you just want to be distracted by some mindless fun.
Pride & Prejudice - Watching bits and pieces only.
Downton Abbey - Ok, so I'm going to just say it. Edith kind of bugs me. ....... And I know that my dislike of her stems from the fact that I've never really forgotten nor forgiven her for what she did to Mary in Season 1.
That's about it for now. ....... Everyone take care and have a great Friday!
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iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 6:41 AM
Re: Edith in Downton Abbey
I get that what Edith did with Mary was really, really bad. She shouldn't have done it, if only to protect herself because Mary's indiscretion still would've reflected badly on her. That said, it's clear in the 5 seasons that we have and reading between the lines about life before the show began, Edith was seriously unloved. Mary was the prickly beautiful one and it's clear that her parents doted on her. Sybil was the sweetheart who had the sort of personality that ingratiates her with everyone. Edith is looked at as spinster-in-training when there are plenty of men to be had pre-war. And in the intervening seasons, she's matured a great deal, way more so than Mary who has become nothing more than a Mean Girl. I'm pretty sure if you talk to Edith, she'd tell you that she seriously regrets doing it.
Sorry, Edith is probably my favorite of the Crawley sisters, especially since we never got to see how much Sybil would develop.
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 7:10 AM
I agree with everything iheartbusterk said and there is something else. When she did it, wasn't it after Mary had created a misunderstanding between her and a suitor? Not that is a good reason, I thought Edith was stupid to do something so dangerous and cruel but she was still very resentful of Mary when the series started.
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iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 7:16 AM
Mary creates the rumor with Anthony Strallan after the letter is dispatched. Given what we've seen with Edith and her potential for marriage, I'd almost argue that Mary fully paid back Edith for writing that letter.
Yes I do not like Mary...at all.
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mary
January 16, 2015 at 3:00 PM
Wow I've been used to ctrl+f "mary" "song jae rim" "sjr" in the OT and scrolling through comment. When I saw this thread I thought, "Wait... did I offend someone?"
:D
korfan
January 17, 2015 at 12:38 AM
mary -
Heh! Not at all! :)
korfan
January 16, 2015 at 7:12 AM
iheartbusterk -
I certainly agree that Edith was the unloved and/or dare I say, forgotten daughter. Clearly, all attention was directed towards the other two sisters.
While I do want to believe that, if asked, she would express regret over what she did. Something about her just makes me a bit unsure about that sentiment. Then again, perhaps I'm just a harsh critic and I simply don't forgive that easily.
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iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 7:23 AM
I get it. You are most certainly not alone. Just had to defend her. :)
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Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 7:53 AM
@iheartbusterk
I completely agree about Edith! She's become a favorite of mine over the years, and it's even better that I didn't expect it. I love when a character you don't expect suddenly becomes a favorite :)
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:48 AM
Korfan:
How are you?
Healer: i almost feel like i have to hand in my db membership for not watching, and thus not participate in the discussions/squee sessions for this one... Drama watching is just not happening atm... I do read the recaps though and the show seems awesome...
Can i have a healer please? I think i need one..
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 7:21 AM
Manin -
Ha! No need to hand in the membership!
The great thing is, Healer will wait for you. Heh! ..... When you have time, whether it be in a few days or a few months from now, just set aside some hours and watch, watch, watch. ...... I think you won't be disappointed.
Can you have a Healer, you ask? ...... Get in line, because trust me, at this point, we all want Healer. :)
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 8:26 AM
Korefan-
that is true. I was late to the game for cruel/heartless city as well.
Hm, yes I do suppose that it's a long line... Good thing I'm from the north, we're good at suddenly getting further up the line. All by accident of course.
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 7:00 AM
Hi korfan!
I watched ji Chang wook in sons of sol pharmacy( while waiting for next week's episodes) and you're right. The Healer role fits him so well! I tried to imagine healer being played by any other actor and I just can't think of it that way . I mean, imagine joo won acting as the healer
? it would be hilarious and so, so wrong.
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 7:25 AM
Saema -
Oh wow, I didn't even know Ji Chang-wook had been in that. ..... I've heard of that drama many times and I've seen a couple of episodes here and there, but I seriously don't recall seeing him. I'll have to check it out.
Exactly, I have no idea at this point of who else could've stepped into the Healer role like he has. It just works with him in it.
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 9:02 AM
Ha! I don't blame you for not remembering him. He plays the baby brother who cries when his mom yells at him being girly and sewing. Compare that to the cool Healer. It's almost difficult to believe that both these characters were played by the same person.
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spazmo
January 16, 2015 at 9:40 AM
i'm with you, korfan - secret door was EXCELLENT - superb acting by the whole cast...
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korfan
January 17, 2015 at 12:42 AM
spazmo -
Absolutely! The acting was indeed outstanding all around.
Glad you enjoyed it also.
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12 blue_skye
January 16, 2015 at 6:39 AM
HAPPY WEEKEND EVERYONEEEE :D
I'm late to the party but I just finished marathoning Marriage Not Dating and it is so fantastic!! does anyone have any other good rom-coms to recommend? :) meanwhile, I'll be checking out Healer and Pinnochio as well xD
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Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 8:07 AM
Aw, isn't it wonderful?
Are you looking for recent rom-com recommendations, or just some rom-coms from over the years?
Marriage, Not Dating was by far my favorite of 2014 so I can't really suggest anything quite as good as that from that year. Maybe I'll suggest Dal Ja's Spring? Certain aspects about the beginning remind me of MnD, despite the fact that the shows are very, very different. Both of them are favorites of mine though :)
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:19 AM
Rom-com recs...
Queen In-hyun's Man
Can We Get Married (also featuring Han Groo btw!)
Surplus Princess (up to episode 9 that is)
Coffee Prince
(most Hong sisters dramas, including their most recent, Master's Sun - it has its flaws but So Ji-sub and Gong Hyo-jin are a must-watch)
and I guess Answer Me 1997 is a romcom too, it's one of my favourites.
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:06 PM
Yay, another fan for Marriage Not Dating! It really was laugh-out-loud funny, and that's saying a lot coming from me, since I don't really find comedies all that funny. It was helped by an upbeat soundtrack, too, and great acting all round..
I agree with pogo: Answer Me 1997 would be great if you haven't watched it yet!
Even though I Hear Your Voice isn't strictly a rom-com, I found it both romantic and funny, too.
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13 alua
January 16, 2015 at 6:40 AM
Caught up on Healer (which I hadn't watched before).
So, my conclusion is that it's basically City Hunter 2. I find Ji Chang-wook to be a better actor than Lee Min-ho, his transitions between different 'characters' is spot on and also I find his character more appealing as it feels more human than LMH's ever did.
Other than that I'm finding Healer entertaining but not quite so amazing as you all seem to?
There's just things that I don't quite buy and characters that I wish were a little more interesting at times. Like Young-shin, she's harmless and I don't mind her, but she's like so many other k-drama heroines and I know once the drama is over, that makes her totally forgettable. Bit too many connections between everyone (Mung-hoo's boss really didn't need to be his ex that's putting her life on hold for him. I cringed at their conversation. Also because it felt like the writers needed to make her the ex b/c to make certain things of the story happen more easily. Still have a feeling that her knowing the passcode for his place is going to be used at some point – b/c this drama is predictable like that. See two pills, YS's broken phone left in the clothes, etc.)
I'll continue watching, because overall it's enjoyable... but mostly I'm still longing for another Misaeng (rewatched three episodes of that, and loved them as much as the first time round).
I did like Healer telling Mung-hoo, "Leave us all. Go and play your own game, we'll go an play ours." That's basically what I want to say to characters in half of all k-dramas!
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alua
January 16, 2015 at 6:43 AM
p.s. Hacker ahjumma is awesome. Lawyer-coffee Dad is also kind of awesome, but than they don't do anything with his character for several episodes and that flattens things a little.
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 6:53 AM
*spoiler alert*
Ikr some times, I find it so difficult to believe that the same guy who looks so serious as healer can do the careless student act so well. And be awkward Park bong soo in the next scene. It's amazing. Also, his facial expressions are spot on. In episode 12, when myung hee enters the room, he looks cautious and the various emotions that cross his face in that scene - he acts it out so well.
I love love love the hacker ahjumma too. She's so funny, I look forward to her comments each episode.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:58 AM
yeah a similar act and Ji Sung is doing in KMHM but Ji Sung does it just a tiiiny bit better
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alua
January 16, 2015 at 7:04 AM
Yes, his acting feels very natural to me – like he's 100% that other character (as if he were in a different drama or something!) It's effortless – you don't see that with many actors.
And yet, at the same time, in the most recent episodes you see his Jung-hoo character starting to change: like he's not the perfect Healer, but experiencing certain feelings when he should be covering up (i.e. his different persona starting to 'overlap' slightly). Which however shows again how good his acting is (not sure if I'm explaining myself well – basically, I think he's very, very good).
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 7:13 AM
Agreed. :) I've seen Jung-hoo acting more insecure either. I loved the scene in which he was still very young and being trained by Teacher, he seemed very similar to Park Bong-Soo, it's like PBS is just a former self of JH.
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kdramas
January 16, 2015 at 7:26 AM
I adore Healer a lot - Ji Chang wook and the OTP make the show a LOT better than it actually is. He's swoon-worthy (there's nothing not to love about the guy actually) and he makes us believe the emotion Seo Jung-joo/Healer/Park Bong-soo are experiencing. He is a wonderful actor.
Recently there has been a dearth of a cracktastic OTP to root for... which Healer is filling the void. Hence, the hullabaloo on the forums especially with the international fans.
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kanz
January 16, 2015 at 7:25 AM
JCW can always change his expressions in a split seconds... You can see how much emotions he pour in his characters in Healer. Dare I say, he's one of the best 20s actors in Korea right now.
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 6:56 AM
I find the shows very similar too but everything has been better on Healer from ep 1 for me. The story has holes, I agree, but CH’s story was beyond silly in my opinion, it was fun but preposterous, Bad Daddy was very corny and the characters didn’t feel realistic for me like everyone in Healer does.
I think Young-Shin is a bit better then the average heroine, yes, she has a traumatic past and is overly cheerful and caring but I like that she is also ambitious and has a good sense of humor. Women usually don’t have much sense of humor in kdramas. :)
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alua
January 16, 2015 at 7:15 AM
I agree this is 'more' realistic (in a way)... but sometimes I feel the writers take the easy way out/try too hard, which bothers me, e.g. having Mung-hoo's boss be the ex b/c it was a convenient way for her (unknowingly) to pass on some info to Moon-shik.
I want to like Young-shin better, but I just find her "cute", "clumsy" yet "gutsy" – and still too much in need of rescuing. We get that in too many kdramas and she doesn't feel significantly different to me. Some of her characterisation feels lazy (she cuts herself when opening cans. That's supposed to make her a little quirky yet yet... but, sorry, not buying. I've met people who struggle to open cans, but none that repeatedly cut themselves.)
I like how "touchy" Young-shin is though (unlike the average k-heroine that faints when you so much as brush against her arm).
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Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 9:09 AM
You know, I always try to understand what people mean when they say someone is "too much in need of rescuing". Young-shin's wrapped up in things that she doesn't even, herself, know about and is just going about her life as a reporter. It certainly isn't a normal part of life to expect situations where you'll need to know how to defend yourself against someone trying to kill you, let alone a bunch of thugs or an elevator suddenly plummeting to the ground.
But she's dealing with these experiences much more than the average person, given the nature of the plot, so obviously she's going to be rescued more often if the situation in question is beyond her capabilities. This is where I'd take more issue with the plot than her because the show is putting her in a lot of these situations. But because a big part of the show is her being in danger, it can't be helped.
If it's about her getting over her trauma and not cowering in fear, this I completely understand. I definitely want to see her working through those issues so that she doesn't have to have the types of reactions she did at the end of episode 4 and 5. But I still think the drama shows her not letting her trauma get in the way of at least facing her fears bravely, even if they end up being too much for her to handle and even if, in the end, she does need help to survive.
I guess, in the end, what I'm trying to say is that this may be an action drama to us, but Young-shin's just going about her life like an average girl (unlike City Hunter) so I don't really need her to be taking on thugs all by herself because I sure as hell know that I couldn't do that, even with all the martial arts training I've had.
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alua
January 16, 2015 at 1:06 PM
Too much in need of rescuing... I'm not expecting her to beat up thugs or anything of that sort, it's rather... can we have female Healer for once? And the guy being the sweet, clumsy but supposedly gutsy one that gets saved behind his back? It's always genius hero that go out to save the heroine (who needs saving because she's just an average person).
Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 3:45 PM
Oh, totally! I want that too. I just wrote that the other day, in fact, on a comment lost somewhere in one of the recaps. I definitely want to see a female Healer. And that's why I do actually lament that the plot, in that respect, does put the heroine at an automatic disadvantage when she can't ever be the one doing the saving. AND then you add that people are out to get her. My greatest concern for the show is that they may rely too much on the 'him saving her' scenario. But it's not something that I think should be held against the individual character.
In the end, if I enjoy the prospect of the girl being the one to save the guy, then should I not enjoy the story where it's the guy saving the girl? I don't think so. To me, that just feels backwards.
But, actually, have you checked out Spy? You might like that!
alua
January 16, 2015 at 10:02 PM
@Chandler
I am enjoying the story... it just doesn't feel totally fresh. It's just that it seemed for five or six weeks everyone was raving about how amazing amazing amazing this show is, so my expectations were that it would be something quite different from the norm but when I started watching it, as I said, it felt like City Hunter 2 (I agree there are some differences and I do feel this drama is more humane/human which I like better but there are still clear parallels btw them) and a female lead of a type we see a lot (even if among that 'type' she may be one of the better ones). So, I think it's good but not out of this world and sometimes my suspension of disbelief struggles a little...
Pranx
January 16, 2015 at 10:35 AM
I agree. Healer is City Hunter 2 with a better actor at the lead. Kim Nana looks like a Mensa genius in front of Chae Young Shin. Yes she was a crappy bodyguard but she was not dumb. She figured out who City Hunter was completely on her own.. even his mom. She pushed him to make the right choices and held him back from making the wrong ones.
What has Chae Young Shin done? Ignored her very serious medical condition to go cavort in danger. If you know you have a problem with violence, will you knowingly choose a profession that puts you in that situation? What if Park Bong Soo was not Healer in disguise saving her at each turn? I would have liked her more without that stupid breathing ailment... have they put it in there just so that hero can give her CPR?
The whole Lois falling in love with Superman trope doesn't port well to this storyline. Lois did not have childhood trauma. Superman was an established hero. And most importantly, she knew what Superman looks like! How can you be so reckless as to ask a faceless stranger out on a date? One who has been accused by cops of double murder!? OK so he rescued you. But he was paid for it. And then he kissed you. I would be super creeped out by that. What if Teacher was the Healer who rescued you? How would you feel about the kiss then??
And you are a reporter for god's sake! Do you have no curiosity? It would have been better if they had shown that she was intrigued with Healer rather than in love with him. Her efforts to clear his name is what would make Bong Soo fall for her, since it would be the first time someone cared for him.
How many hand holds and hugs is it going to take for her to make the connection? Nana just had to look at half of his face once.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
January 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM
If you know you have a problem with violence, will you knowingly choose a profession that puts you in that situation?
Uh, many journalists don't tend to see many scenes of violence-in-action on-the-job, unless they choose to go to war/conflict zones. Many times, in functional, normal cities, they're at the "scene of the crime" after the crime is done and all that's left of violence are its effects and YoungShin is not traumatized by the effects of violence - more like by on-going violence.
Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 12:13 PM
Ah well, I just disagree in so many ways.
I far prefer Chae Young-shin to Kim Nana actually.
In my opinion, from her perspective, there haven't been many hints that clearly say "Park Bong-soo is Healer" except for the handhold that literally just happened. This is because I think our hero is doing a pretty good job of seeming like a different person AND because, really, people don't go around, looking at people around them and saying, "this person isn't who they say they are!". They just don't. You wouldn't. Because it doesn't happen. WE know that in this drama's world it can happen...because it is. But for her to jump to that conclusion would make no sense to me.
I have also always thought that Chae Young-shin has seen enough of Healer's profile and enough of him in that photo, to at least deduce that he's a young, good-looking guy, even if she can't see his face completely. There's also been enough to their interactions for a crush to form in my opinion and I actually dig the fact that he isn't an established hero that's 'easy' to crush on.
Obviously, I do get some of what you're saying, but there was a point when Chae Young-shin explained why she had this one-sided love for Healer to Bong-soo and I found that moment really telling. It told me that she was self-aware of the fact that she didn't know much about him yet. And then her self-dialogue in episode 8 further drove that in when she pretty much said that she CHOOSES to trust in people, with full knowledge that she could get hurt. So she's not stupid. She just does what she wants to, fully recognizing that she'll have to deal with the consequences if she's wrong. That, in my mind, is a cool character.
And, well, as for the reporter stuff. I'm with Peeps on this one. I don't think there's any reason why she shouldn't be a reporter. And even if I thought that profession did deal with too much violence, I'd answer your question as to why she still chose it like this: Because she really wants to, it's her dream. So she's not going to let her problem with violence keep her from doing it. And, let's be real, even if someone didn't have a trauma, it would be normal to be really scared in a situation with a bunch of thugs and a girl getting beaten in front of you. That is not an everyday occurrence for a reporter.
That said, I do agree with you about her not ignoring her health problem and trying to face her trauma. I really hope she does that.
alua
January 16, 2015 at 1:22 PM
I'm not sure whether I prefer Young-shin over Kim Nana (or vice versa) as a character, I guess thinking about it long and hard... PMY just pales a little next to Ji Chang-wook (this is the first drama I've ever seen him in). To me, his acting is very natural and effortless – transforming in a split second between characters. PMY's acting feels a little more, ummm, acted. Like she's been told to play this kind of character, while JCW just IS the character. I'm not saying she's a bad actress or anything, she's fine... but not really more than that.
<How can you be so reckless as to ask a faceless stranger out on a date? One who has been accused by cops of double murder!? OK so he rescued you. But he was paid for it.
I sort of agree with that (even without the double murder). I thought the date was... fan service. It was cute and the hand-holding at the end was certainly sweet, but the very act of asking for a date (late at night and alone too?) was rather bizarre. I don't think I would have gotten into that car to drive me home either!
alua
January 16, 2015 at 1:45 PM
@Chandler
I agree, I wouldn't expect her to pick up super-quickly that Bong-soo is Healer either. Or that working as a reporter (esp. at a "News" place that is focused on entertainment) would expose her to much violence – although it's a little strange she hasn't dealt with her physical ailment much because how do you avoid violence 100% in real life? She could come across a fight anywhere, or see a glimpse of something on TV... unless having those pills on her is supposed to be "enough" treatment? But, I don't see it wrong for her to pursue her dream. (I just wish they hadn't made it so clear at the beginning that she's very much lacking as a reporter, failing her exams, getting into very low ranking schools etc. She didn't need to be set up as super-average or even below average.)
Not so sure about the "just trust" thing. I could see that for her trusting Bong-soo, but Healer? A guy whom she knows just about nothing about, except that he deals with dangerous business for money. Would you really go on a date with a person like that, late at night and alone? That's like willingly putting your love-blinders on in a situation that could potentially land you in deep trouble. Not just "hurt", but raped or murdered. I know it's dramaland and of course nothing is going to happen... but it's romanticising a situation where in reality she risks much more than just getting a little hurt. They could have left the date for later and come up with another situation that leads to them holding hands (since the hand holding was obviously a clue that's needed for later).
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 7:07 AM
your words exactly.
I am also....not...convinced by the characters? yeah. and maybe the tension is not quite as heavy.
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alua
January 16, 2015 at 7:23 AM
There is a part of me that feels the characters is sometimes where this drama falters. Like there is absolutely ZERO we know about some characters (e.g. basically everyone in the Some Day office except the three leads). They are minor characters of course, but they feel so flat to me that it flattens others things. Like Young-shin being so close to Bong-so and telling him the most intimate things (their phone conversations), when there's very little hint that she'd be having such conversations with her other office mates. I get the conversations are supposed to develop the love relationship, but they don't make quite sense to me: I can see how they increase Jung-ho's feelings for Young-shin b/c he spends time with her as Healer AND Bong-soo, but I feel the writers blurry the line a bit on Young-shin's end to whom Healer and Bong-soo are two separate people. I don't see why she'd be having such close convos with a guy she has know for a few weeks unless she generally has intimate conversations with anyone and everyone? Obviously, she's soon going to realise Bong-soo IS Healer, but it just felt a bit muddled to me before.
Okay... have to go board a plane now! (Heading back to London.)
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 7:30 AM
I think in the early eps she felt responsible for BS, she was his sunbae and that was new to her, also she really is the sort of person that wants to trust other people and he had this fragile funny way. :) After some time I think they just clicked and she felt time and again more comfortable around him, he was always there helping her and listening to her stories. The feeling I got from the other people at the office was they didn't have much interest on her, that is not uncommon at work.
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keepondreaming
January 16, 2015 at 7:40 AM
I agree. On the contrary I think she believed that she was the one protecting the fragile "Boong-sookie" and this caused him to reach several realisations on his own feelings while also allowing him to start opening up to himself and his past.
alua
January 16, 2015 at 1:12 PM
I still think it's too personal conversations too fast, but I have to say I watched eps. 1-11 in one day, so maybe it felt even faster. The downside of marathoning dramas sometimes is that a) inconsistencies become more glaring and b) the passage of time is sped up.
Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 2:47 PM
One day??? :) Yes, that messes up your way of feeling how much time has passed between episodes. I never could do that, I think the most I've seen of the same series in the same day were 3 or 4 eps in a row.
alua
January 16, 2015 at 9:56 PM
@Lixie – unfortunately I don't have that kind of willpower. If I marathon... I marathon.
That's why it's better for me not to eat a chocolate bar too, because if I nibble at it, I'll eat it all!
keepondreaming
January 16, 2015 at 7:29 AM
I've watched City Hunter and am currently watching Healer. I found that Healer grew on me episode by episode, rather than the instantaneous thrill and interest City Hunter gave me. However I feel like Healer explores more complex emotions and I find myself drawn to it for reasons that I cannot fully explain. I feel like it's a combination of the impressive cast, decent plot, and the rawness of the pain experienced by the characters, especially in relation to the past. I personally find Young Shin a refreshing K-drama heroine. She's brave, has a strong sense of her own conscience and is optimistic about life. I actually love the fact that she's such a fun and quirky character, because it makes her all the more believable. Oh and I do find it oddly satisfying to observe the morally conflicted characters of this drama.
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Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 9:31 AM
Haha, I do see where the City Hunter 2 comes from, and all, but, I actually don't really agree. There may be many similarities, but I'm finding Healer to be completely different in many, many ways. And better in many ways.
But, yeah. I just completely disagree about Young-shin (like, oh lord, COMPLETELY), so I guess that just changes how we'd see things. And, for me, it isn't the little quirks the story gives her (like the can thing, which I could understand bothering some people), but rather her air and manner of speaking that set her apart. There’s something really natural about it, for me. And I actually don't really see her as the 'cute', 'clumsy' type, but maybe that's because she has just little enough of both of those to make me feel like they don't define her?
She's hands down, my favorite heroine in a long time and I don't expect to forget her anytime soon. Like part of the reason why I love this show so much is because, for once, the heroine IS interesting to me. She feels like someone I could actually be friends with. Approachable, and winning. But, to each their own :)
On another note, I just rewatched the last episode of Misaeng for like the 10th time and I practically still have happy tears running down my face from the ending. Gets me every. single. time. *sigh* It would be so great to get another Misaeng.
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Pranx
January 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM
Please help me understand. Because I really want to like this show! I love the superhero trope!
I guess it is PMY. To me she is always Kim Nana. Maybe a different actress as CYS would have made me like the show more. Or its just that because I know this show has potential, I expect more out of it. I like her mannerisms and her interactions with Bong Soo. But its her fangirling around Healer that I have a hard time accepting. The show gave us no indication why she was interested in "the courier boy" in the first place. He was her 2nd crush for a year wasn't it.
OK i will accept her breathlessness and all. She did not ask to be surrounded by goons. And its nice that she tries to save Bong Soo despite her condition.
I would have loved if the show had shown the duality of Bong Soo loving CYS because of her courage and Healer loving CYS because of her efforts to clear his name from the fake murder charge. And a CYS who likes a safe Bong Soo, but whose heart skips a beat at the allure of Healer.
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alua
January 16, 2015 at 1:53 PM
Hmmm, my favourite female heroines recently were Gong Hyo-jin's in It's Okay It's Love (though I know many people found her annoying, I just found her very real) and Kang Sora's in Misaeng. Them I could be friends with.
I can't relate to Young-shin's very much... though at least she isn't annoying (which too many kdramas heroines are to me).
It might just be down to differences in tastes (and possibly certain preferences in actors – I'd definitely try any GHJ drama just for her, but I'd more reasons than that to watch a PMY one).
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Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 4:08 PM
I haven't really been a Park Min-Young fan actually, but I love Gong Hyo-jin. I was one of the ones that really, really liked parts of her character in TOIL...but also got really, really frustrated by her at times. But, I agree about Kang Sora in Misaeng completely.
This is the first time I genuinely like what PMY's doing with her character. I think it's probably in the smaller, quieter moments with Bong-soo that I feel like I could be her friend.
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unitedred
January 16, 2015 at 10:19 PM
@chandler
you didn't like her in Sungkyunkwan Scandal?
Chandler
January 17, 2015 at 2:12 PM
I liked her there and I liked her in City Hunter too! I've always felt that she did a good job picking dramas/roles, but though I liked her, I never felt like she was irreplaceable in those roles either. For that reason, I never really became a huge fan, but here I'm really liking her :) Still not my favorite actress, but I genuinely like what she's doing with her character.
unitedred
January 16, 2015 at 10:17 PM
@Angie
I agree that the show hasn't given a good reason for CYS to like Healer and vice versa. Her fascination with him is understandable, but not her love for him. Also, I don't like the idea of CYS easily/blindly trusting the Healer like NDJ did in Liar Game. I also agree that she should be somewhat afraid of him. Unlike Superman, Healer isn't a superhero who saves people for a living. Healer is like a mercenary who is a suspect for murder.
I would have loved to see her spend a good amount of time investigating the Healer as a result of her fascination with him. Maybe, she could have a her own column in her online news that was just about the Healer like Iris in The Flash.
What makes this show really entertaining is the chemistry b/t PMY and JCW. For me, their acting makes their romance believable.
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alua
January 17, 2015 at 9:18 AM
<I agree that the show hasn’t given a good reason for CYS to like Healer and vice versa. Her fascination with him is understandable, but not her love for him.
I agree with that as well.
<Healer is like a mercenary who is a suspect for murder.
He has also shown that he can be brutally violent... as tempting as it is to think that Hwang deserved that bloody beating, it's not for Healer to hand out "justice". It was as criminal as Hwang beating up his female employee. It also curiously stood in contrast to Healer's action at the beginning of the drama, when he flees through the subway with his client, fends off his opponents by fighting with them but saves the one guy's life rather than letting him be killed by the train.
(Of course, Young-shin doesn't know that Healer viciously beats Hwang with a golf club. But as a viewer I can just dismiss that.)
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redfox
January 17, 2015 at 10:17 AM
yes true. I am tired of trying to make sense and find logis cause so many things are just loose in the joints
and wehre is that EMOTION everyone sees. I think I might need a magnifying glass. the eyes always look the same to me, no this look or that look.
Pranx
January 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM
I am fine with the beating actually. Villians like Hwang have to beaten. And its not like he beat him to the verge of death. A few whacks to get him to reveal the location of the safe is fine.
I would not liken it to Hwang beating that lady.
14 Marilyn
January 16, 2015 at 6:43 AM
2nd try~
I’m a graduate student who is researching the Korean Wave in the United States. I’m seeking to interview K-drama fans who live in Northern California, and so I’m posting this “ad” to recruit interviewees. If you have lived in the United States for at least 10 years, are not of Korean descent, and consider yourself a K-drama fan (even a casual one!), I would love to talk to you. Please contact me at [email protected] if you can help me out.
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On a different note, I just started Liar's Game and I'm appreciating that Shin Sung-rok gets to be more handsome than he was in You From Another Star (where I think they did a great job of making him look slightly off). Even though he's the bad guy in this one too-? Or is there a 'the bad guy' in this show? Gah, don't tell me, I'll just watch it.
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wonhwa
January 16, 2015 at 5:18 PM
Shin Sung-rok is fabulous in Liar Game. For that matter, Liar Game is just fabulous in general.
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15 Pringles
January 16, 2015 at 6:46 AM
Lee seung gi's first movie todays love is ranked no1 i cant wait to watch it!!
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16 halfmoon
January 16, 2015 at 6:48 AM
1n2d -- so funny!
Return of Superman -- I'm watching it on KBS world, so we're still with the last epiodes of Tablo and Haru. Will definitely miss them.
Mr Back -- I totally lost interest 3/4 of the way and ended up reading the recaps online, just to know the ending.
Spy -- I'm liking it so far. I'm not feeling a click between Sun-woo and his gf. I'm guessing we'll find out more about her eventually. I don't know which story path I'll be more excited about: Sun-woo and his mom teaming up together to fight Ki-chul. Or Sun-woo somehow chasing or fighting his mom for a short while. Either way should be fun.
Healer -- There are so many comments that they are a bit overwhelming! There are just three things I'd like to say today:
-- I cantvwait for episode 13!!!
-- I'm already dreading the ending. What will we do after the show is over?
-- there was a scene in episode 11 where JH was on a rooftop, feeling quite comfortable and chatting with Ajhumma. I'd love to see a scene with him, just at ease like that, with YS. No words needed. Just the two of them feeling at peace and happy (and interlocking their hands? Hugging?). On a rooftop. At night. With some hearted-shaped city lights (à la Misaeng) in the background...
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 11:55 AM
I can't read "spy" in relation to kdramas without pronouncing it in my head as "suh-py" the 2 syllable pronunciation from the brother in shining Inheritance who said, "Noona, suh-py" ? I just loved that.
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unitedred
January 16, 2015 at 10:23 PM
In Korean, spy is a 3 syllable word. Seu-pa-ee.
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owl
January 18, 2015 at 11:45 AM
Oh, I am really happy to know that. I love how it sounds, and now I can hear and read it correctly as three syllables. Thanks, red for that.
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17 Mystique
January 16, 2015 at 6:51 AM
Hello y'all!!!
Hope you doing good
Healer : Are words still needed????? Tuesday come sooner please :(
Kill me, Heal me : Liking and enjoying it very much so far. I ship Ri-Jin with both Se-gi and Do-hyun. That episode 3 ending got me right in the heart, it was just so sweet. I am beginning to think that Se-gi might be the real personality and Do-hyun the created persona. And i just love how the actress is portraying the character, her facial expressions though lol.
Pride and prejudice : Finally watched it, enjoyed it but not a fan of the ending.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:57 AM
I think it is not so much that se Gi is the original...maybe he is the persona of a brother or friend?
I am getting a deja vu of Liar Game with children playing. like Se Gi being the one to remember... but why the same face?
no speculations. lets just watch.
Oh Ri Jin = Origin. so origin of what? his problem? maybe he saved the girl from a burning house or something, instead of his (twin) brother - cause twins seems to be a theme... maybe Oh Ri on witnessed something? or who started the fire?
Mysterious.
Hopefully they get extra sponsorhip so they can continue with a lot of action.
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atz
January 16, 2015 at 8:18 AM
Kill Me Heal Me is actually interesting though I did not expect much. It seems__Spoiler Alert-
that Oh Ri Jin also has some family secrets that she is not aware of but her parents and her bro seem to know.
Ji Sung character has so many personalities so as you said we cannot guess what/who is his true personality. I guess even he does not know who he truly is. He convinced that good modest him is his true self but it seems that his true self might be something( someone) else that he is not even aware of.
I am not pulled in to Healer like other viewers are and I am not sure why I am not intrigued by Healer. But I find KMHM storyline is interesting.
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achiara
January 16, 2015 at 1:09 PM
I like Healer but I totally understand people who don't see its appeal. With hype come high expectations and more often than not they are not met, not that Healer is bad, it is good (acting, directing, consistent writing, etc.) but nothing really special either. Then you have shows like KMHM that you start with little to no expectations at all because everything about it screams disaster then surprise! There's actually something of substance about it and most of all a stellar Ji Sung singlehandedly saving what would have been a total wreck otherwise. No offense but I shudder at the memory of some of the names that were first suggested for this drama, I can't imagine anyone but JS playing such a character. He is obviously having fun with it, it's a real pleasure to watch him
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18 Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 6:56 AM
I find the shows very similar too but everything has been better on Healer from ep 1 for me. The story has holes, I agree, but CH's story was beyond silly in my opinion, it was fun but preposterous, Bad Daddy was very corny and the characters didn't feel realistic for me like everyone in Healer does.
I think Young-Shin is a bit better then the average heroine, yes, she has a traumatic past and is overly cheerful and caring but I like that she is also ambitious and has a good sense of humor. Women usually don't have much sense of humor in kdramas. :)
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 6:57 AM
It was a reply for 13 sorry, why can't we delete posts?
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19 ladymai
January 16, 2015 at 7:05 AM
Is anyone watching any Taiwanese dramas lately? I've just gotten into Boysitter (which I mistakenly started watching while it's still airing TT.TT), and I'm wondering if anyone else is watching?
Developing a case of Second Lead Syndrome, and wondering if the drama may be subversive enough to go that way. But yeah, probably not, lol.
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TurkishRose
January 16, 2015 at 7:22 AM
Favorite Taiwanese Dramas
1. Mars
2. Autumn's Concerto
3. Fated to love you (sorry but loved it more than the k version)
4. In time with you
5. In a Good way
Favorite Japanese Drama
1. Rich man, poor woman (discovered oguri shun :)
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 10:01 AM
seconding Mars
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 8:12 AM
WATCH MR. RIGHT WANTED. RIGHT NOW. YOU WILL THANK ME. This is the first Taiwanese drama that I've made it past the first episode (a few times I didn't even make it past the intro song) and I love it to itty bitty pieces. It would be my ultimate crack except that the subs are slow (it's on Viki and it's killing me to wait but I have to watch more than one at a time and they are stuck at ep 13 for mostly finished subs). I thought it'd be a vapid rom-com but It's both funny, thoughtful, touching and very nicely directed, wonderfully acted by the lead female Sonia Sui(?), and the best cameo ever by Sunny Wang (though that seems to be a running theme with him). WATCH EEEEEETTTTT!
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fab
January 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM
I am currently(well not exactly since Healer is taking my free time) In Time With You because it will get a Korean remake. A lot of Beanies were very positive about it, and I agree! It's so good, the heroine is likeable, the hero swoon worthy(gah he is so hot), and the story is overall engaging.
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:19 PM
Great to hear you got started on this!
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20 harmonyfb
January 16, 2015 at 7:06 AM
This week has been a doozy. Working like mad, no time for anything fun.
What I've watched:
Gap-Dong: Why, writers? Why do you have to go for such low-hanging, obvious fruit? But still, creeepy guy is creepy.
Detective K: Secret of the Virtuous Widow: Well, I watched half of it before the power went on the fritz, but it was hilarious.
What I want to be Watching:
Bloooooood. I've even been lurking on their twitter feed looking at set photos. Come on, Feb 16, hurry up!
K-drama Moment:
My supposedly-kdrama-hating husband asks: "Did you order Coffee Prince & Misaeng for your library? ::ha::
Patron brings back Marriage, not Dating: "This was SO FUNNY...I need more like this." ::double ha::
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 7:32 AM
harmonyfb -
Regarding this week's K-drama Moment, so can we officially declare that your husband has crossed over to join us on the other side? *giggle* ...... I want to say "yes", but I'll certainly refrain until you give us the official word.
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harmonyfb
January 16, 2015 at 7:48 AM
He's still pretending he doesn't like it, but I heard him telling a friend that "if you like '24', you'll like Two Weeks", so I think he's busted. ;)
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 8:09 AM
harmonyfb -
*laughing*
Oh my goodness! Yes, busted indeed!
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 10:03 AM
uhm I'll add Virtuous Widow to my list. Thanks.
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harmonyfb
January 16, 2015 at 3:29 PM
I'm looking forward to watching the rest of it tonight! :)
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:22 AM
I love your stealth spreading of the kdrama virus ;)
and yeah, Gap-dong was as obvious as a nun at a nude beach. Still very creepy, though!
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harmonyfb
January 16, 2015 at 3:32 PM
I love your stealth spreading of the kdrama virus
I am really sneaky about it, too, because I'm showing them the best ones first, so they'll be driven to seek out more. Mwahahahahaaa.
yeah, Gap-dong was as obvious as a nun at a nude beach
Ain't THAT the truth. I think I'm spoiled by the likes of True Detective, which kept me guessing even to the very end. And thinking about it later.
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 7:35 PM
yeah, Gap-dong was as obvious as a nun at a nude beach Excellent! :-D
I had such high hopes for it. What a mess.
If you want to see a great movie inspired by the real-life murders (as Gap Dong was promo-ed to be) watch Memories of Murder.
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harmonyfb
January 17, 2015 at 6:11 AM
Memories of Murder
I've got that on my to-watch list; it looks really good.
21 evw09
January 16, 2015 at 7:09 AM
Wow and whoa, it's Friday already!
Could anyone please suggest a light easy drama? For some reason, I am not that interested in Healer or Hyde. Old or new, doesn't really matter, just an easy watch. Thanks.
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john
January 16, 2015 at 7:33 AM
evw09 ~
If you haven't already seen it, He Who Can't Marry with Ji Jin-hee, Uhm Jung-hwa, Kim So-eun, Yoo Ah-in.
Even better, the Japanese original, Kekkon Dekinai Otoko , with Hiroshi Abe and Yui Natsukawa .
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Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 9:41 AM
Sweden Laundry is really light and sweet :) Super funny and I really like the heroine in it.
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john
January 16, 2015 at 10:23 AM
evw09 ~
Queen In-Hyun's Man would be another recommendation.
Ji Hyun-woo and Yoo In-na are squee worthy.
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 10:33 AM
Hi,
Here's a few: Shut up flower boy band
King to hearts
Sungyunkwan Scandal
^~^ enjoy.!
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fab
January 16, 2015 at 1:40 PM
King two Hearts is not exactly easy! LOL
@evw09 try High School King of Savvy.
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 7:48 PM
I second King of High School. Easy with a lot of heart.
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM
If you're ok with a long drama, try Vampire Idol! It's light and hilarious, even if it has 79 episodes of 20 off minutes each.
Shorter drama (4 episodes long!), you should try Twenty Years Old, it's the perfect sweet romance.
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evw09
January 16, 2015 at 12:56 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions!
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harmonyfb
January 17, 2015 at 6:06 AM
Panda and Hedgehog is super-light and easy, and Marriage, not Dating is really funny and only has one uncomfortable episode. Cantabile Tomorrow is pretty easy, as well, if you can deal with some of the broader humor.
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redfox
January 17, 2015 at 10:24 AM
I think Personal Taste is not that heavy watching either. cute and funny especially for the sidekicks
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22 TurkishRose
January 16, 2015 at 7:14 AM
Healer is such a heart grabbing drama that was so unexpected. I know a couple of people mentioned that they haven't found anything special about it. But some how it just grabs on to my heart strings, and nothing I can do but think about it all day long. It's so crazy that I'm this much in love with a show since The Master's Sun :)
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:24 PM
I'm on my last episode now of Master's Sun! My little Sony DVD player ran out of battery at 2am-ish this morning, so I couldn't finish it.. Can't wait till work is over today and I get back home to my recharged battery and see how it ends.
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TurkishRose
January 17, 2015 at 11:22 AM
Beanfan,
I hope you enjoyed the master's sun. It's one of my favorite series of all time. :)
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revlow
January 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM
Mine too!
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Beanfan
January 17, 2015 at 4:09 PM
I have indeed... I'll miss GHJ's cutesy pawing of SJS.
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23 john
January 16, 2015 at 7:24 AM
Watching:
Kill Me , Heal Me
Pride & Prejudice (Haven't Seen Last Ep)
The Virtuous Queen of Han
Gakko ja Oshierarenai! (Thank you Alua for the rec)
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24 logan5
January 16, 2015 at 7:25 AM
A little off topic here ... but the wife and I just recently discovered Dami Im ... she's the winner of Australia's 2013 X Factor ... we don't watch those kinds of shows but stumbled on it via youtube .... she's certainly not your typical Korean beauty ...for starters it's pretty obvious that she's had no plastic surgery and she even mentioned that she had resisted such suggestions in the past and stated that in Australia she felt she was more accepted being "natural".
Anyway ... if you're bored and want something to watch .. look her up ... she's got an amazing voice and a wonderful personality.
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Peridot
January 16, 2015 at 8:10 AM
Hello, logan5,
Yes, I know about Dami Im and I've listened to some of her songs. I think that she looks lovely and she does have a nice voice.
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25 Trina
January 16, 2015 at 7:30 AM
Good morning Beanies. I am behind of couple Kdrama so hopefully. I will catch up and post my thought of it. I did watched the first episode of Kill me Heal Me. I am not sure of it. I sawed the movie Sybil starring Sally Field. So, I did see a talk show about person who have it too. It is a disorder but a rare one from what my friends told me. I might watch it later to see if it is interest me.
In another note, my daughter is happy and healthy baby girl. She is two months old now and weight 10 lbs and sleep six hours at night which is a blessing as I can sleep. :) Also, I can go out for few hours now which is great. I am gonna meet up with my gal friend tonight to catch up at Irvine Spectrum. :) I hope you all have a wonderful weekend.
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fab
January 16, 2015 at 10:21 AM
Two months, gah she must be incredibly adorable! Bless her. Good luck with everything.
P.s. It's Sally Field, what more do you need to watch it? :p
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:38 AM
Bless you and your baby, I hope she continues to sleep well :)
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26 coby
January 16, 2015 at 7:43 AM
Hello beanies! I didn't lurk on Healer's recap to avoid sinking deeper. I'm watching Smile Donghae!
And how true that the ending of Pride and Prejudice is not good?
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27 Sajen
January 16, 2015 at 7:51 AM
Pride and Prejudice- Possible spoilers for those who haven't finished, read at your own risk. Seriously, that's what we get, thanks show, I gave you 21 hours and you gave me that. Admittedly I never loved Pride and Prejudice so the ending doesn't bother me as much as say Blade Man but still. Am I the stupid one for not understanding how we got from the end of episode 20 to anything that happened in 21? Sure throughout 20 Dong-chi and Chief Moon were talking about going to court despite lack of evidence but at the end it looked like our main characters were going to be at least confronted by the enemy if not abducted. Then there's that scene of Dong-chi digging at the beginning of 21 that like the end of 20 ties to nothing. It's almost as if they had another direction for the story in mind then woke up one morning realized they were out of time and decided to go with the court thing instead of their original plan leaving the scenes at the end of 20 and beginning of 21 in because they didn't think anyone would notice that they don't make any sense.
Pinocchio- What a cute ending to a wonderfully cute show.
Healer- It just keeps getting better.
Punch- As much as I love it, I think I've decided to drop watching it for now and just keep up with the re-caps. I'm just not in the mood for something so heavy right now.
Kill Me, Heal Me- I watched the first two episodes on viki. It's got me thinking there's one of two behind the scenes problems, either the writer, director and other staff have no faith in Ji Sung's ability to successfully portray all the different personalities, or the writer is just that weak of a writer.
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:26 AM
Pride and Prejudice started out so promising but its later episodes just seemed so stupid, aimlessly wandering from one newly discovered (and really stupidly discovered) piece of game-changing theory to another.
By the end, I couldn't even keep track of why we were supposed to care about the kidnapping or what its relation to the present day case was, and frankly the show wasted the chemistry of Choi Jin-hyuk and Baek Jin-hee (except for five minute gaps where they suddenly seem to remember "oh yeah, these people are attracted to each other, let's have them make out and go on dates with no real buildup")
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28 Glasloves
January 16, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Hi, greetings from Mexico!!!
Ok I fell, out of curiosity I let me drag into the Healer madness with all the comments, since I started to visit this page I haven't seen so many comments about a drama.
Loooooove it to pieces, I usually don't like KBS's dramas and when the teaser and posters started to get out I wasn't interested because silly of me I also didn't know Ji Chang Wook till now T_T
It was an amazing way to start the year, this drama will be the starting point to compare the coming dramas.
I finished episode 9 yesterday but I don't want to continue because I know what coming next, the slow torture waiting another episode and another recap, it can't be avoided.
I rarely comment but I want to thank this community and all the beanies who put really insightful comments and made my watching drama such a great experience.
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 8:17 AM
GlaSS -
Welcome to OT! Glad you could join us from Mexico.
As you've discovered, Healer has that effect on people. ..... It pulls you in and you can't leave ..... and you won't want to!
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29 MistyIsles
January 16, 2015 at 8:10 AM
Happy Friday, everyone!
My drama week in a nutshell: One show begins, another ends, and the third keeps right on going with its awesome magic.
The show that begins: Spy. Ooh, I'm going to like this one. Mysterious, thrilling (that bomb almost gave me a heart attack), and with characters I already care about.
The show that ended was of course Pinocchio: and aw, I'm going to miss this one. The only two things I found the finale lacking were a resolution to the Cap/Yoo Rae story (though I'm not too upset, since her taking on the other reporter's role was too funny, and there was nothing telling us they *weren't* together), and at least an update on Hyung (is he still in prison? Couldn't we just see his face one more time before the end?). But in all I'm left feeling sweetly satisfied.
And, finally, the show that has completely charmed me (and many others, apparently) with it's magic: Healer! I love everything about this drama, and somehow I don't even know why, unless it's the central couple. The way he held her hand, the way he saves her so often by letting her think she's saving him (which brings out a level of courage she wouldn't otherwise know she has), the way she swoons over the Healer (because who wouldn't?) but it's Park Bong Soo she wants to talk to when she's upset. (Also, random, but it struck me most this week just how much the five friends remind me of the Marauders in Harry Potter.)
And also Running Man: usually, people who complain all the time and refuse to participate get on my nerves. Lee So Jin, however, I found really funny, and I think it's because no matter how hard he tried not to care, he couldn't seem to help getting caught up in the games at some point or another. I almost feel bad for Seung Gi at the beginning (he was so proud of himself for fooling everyone!) but not bad enough that it wasn't hilarious anyway.
Have a great weekend!
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:05 AM
yeah I really liked Spy too - I look forward to it serving up good doses of suspense and badassness. Though I spy (haha) a couple of dark horse characters I unexpectedly like a lot - like Sun-woo's dad and the North Korean defector spy Soo-yeon.
I miss Pinocchio too, and I wanted at least a brief mention of hyung at the end ( at least his obligatory thirty seconds this time was not behind the prison glass, I'd almost forgotten how heart-wrenching he and little bro can be together). I'm ok with Cap/Yoo-rae not being obviously a thing, but I LOVE that Nosy Jang and Camerawoman Jae-hwan are together, smoochies and all!
(and speaking of smoochies, OTP smoochies at the end, I loved them, swooning right now)
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MistyIsles
January 16, 2015 at 1:08 PM
YES to everything, especially the dark horse characters in Spy. I fear for Sun Woo's dad, though. He's pretty much bound to end up, if not dead, at least deeply hurt when everything blows up around him.
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30 Peridot
January 16, 2015 at 8:15 AM
Hi, everyone.
I was wondering if anyone here experiences technical difficulties when watching kdramas online. The sites I usually visit are viki, dramafever (but not regularly), dramacool, and soompitv. I don't know if there is a connection, but I wonder if visiting these sites might be slowing down my computer. Does anyone have any advice? I mean, I think that the problem is more than my crappy internet provider. I feel like everything has become slower. As an aside, I do have an antivirus program and I haven't been warned about possible viruses. I haven't been watching a lot of dramas lately, but I would like to be able to watch the the two or three that I am following without difficulties. I know that things like dust collection and overheating can slow down computers, so I've been trying to make sure that the electronics are dust-free. Anyway, thanks for any tips you might have :).
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 8:36 AM
I am not very technical, but my on my laptop viewing on the sties you mentioned is slow and loading is slow and choppy. Everything has become slower, even though my computer was recently checked. I can watch on my Ipad without difficulty, however.
A question: Is there another station like KBS World TV that offers Korean shows with English subs? As far as I can tell or have been able to find out, MBS, SBS, tvN, mnet, jbts - only upload the shows in Korean.
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wonhwa
January 16, 2015 at 10:14 AM
MBC and KBS upload some shows with English subtitles on YouTube. It's a bit hit or miss in terms of what you can find, but I was able to watch Time Between Dog and Wolf that way.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 10:31 AM
I'll look, thanks!
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Aigoooo
January 16, 2015 at 8:42 AM
Check your Task Manager for any programs that are running and using up a lot of your CPU power. You can check the CPU Usage % and if it's close to 100% then there is a program/programs that are hogging all the processing which tend to bog everything down. If that is the case then go to the Processes Tab and find which program/programs is doing it, highlight the program and hit End Process (as long as it's not an essential program). Then check if that improved your computer's performance which it should have.
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Peridot
January 16, 2015 at 11:19 AM
Thanks for the tip. I look into that :)!
I also think that dust build-up might be one problem. I am going to work on that and also try what you suggested :).
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john
January 16, 2015 at 8:49 AM
Peridot ~
Have you cleaned your cache ?
The cache can get full of "junk" which can slow your browser down. If you haven't cleaned your cache lately, or ever, I'd try that first.
Here's a link to a wikihow on how to clear your cache for the more popular browsers, IE, Chrome, Firefox, Safari.
http://www.wikihow.com/Clear-Your-Browser%27s-Cache
A useful tool for PCs or Macs is CCleaner . The C stands for "Crap". It's free and can clear out a lot use useless junk that accumulates on your machine.
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Peridot
January 16, 2015 at 11:22 AM
Thanks for this advice. I will try this out and see if improves my computer's performance. Both family computers are a little slow, so I'm wondering if the same issue is going on. Thanks again :).
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 4:29 PM
Hi Peridot. Good advice from both Aigoooo and John.
I use CCleaner only to clean out the registry. Long story why, but I agree wholeheartedly with John that it's a great program. http://www.piriform.com/
In addition to what Aigoooo said you can look into changing the Services settings. That's kind of involved and need to know what you're doing. I'll see if I can dig up the site I've used for info on that.
Another big way to increase performance is to do away with extraneous stuff that starts up with your computer. Best way to do that is with a program called Autoruns:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
Lastly, I highly recommend the following. I've found this to catch some bugs that even computer techs miss. I've fixed many sluggish computers this way. There are some fantastic volunteer security experts who will walk you through the procedures. FREE. First off, follow these...
Mandatory Steps Before Requesting Assistance
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/13616
You'll need to set aside some time to run some scans. Once you're done with the scans you'll post them at their site and they will get back to you. They may have you do additional steps depending on what they find. Very kind and helpful people.
At the very least, these mandatory steps do a lot to clean out the extraneous crap from your computer, and that in itself can really improve performance.
In addition to the programs (all free) you'll need to run in the Manditory Steps, there is another I recommend Junkware Removal Tool: http://thisisudax.org/
John, I think we've met on this subject before? As I remember you recommended one of the other sites that helps people with this? I know there are others and I've heard many are good. If you know of them I'd appreciate your suggestions. The folks at dslreports are the only ones I have experience with. I've used them many times since 2007. No, come to think of it I've gotten some help from the experts at malwarebytes, but I have far more experience with dslreports.
Sorry for the length of this. I am passionate about happy, clean computers.
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 5:22 PM
One heads up: if you are using Hola to view programs only available outside your area, a couple of these scans will disable it. You just need to re-install Hola https://hola.org/.
Do look at the "Mandatory Steps" link. Even if you do not want to use their help, the programs are invaluable. I use them regularly on all the computers I maintain.
The basics I use are:
CCleaner
http://www.piriform.com/
TFC - Temp File Cleaner
http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/files/file/187-tfc-temp-file-cleaner-by-oldtimer/
Malwarebytes (there is a free version)
https://www.malwarebytes.org
AdwCleaner
https://toolslib.net/downloads/viewdownload/1-adwcleaner/
Junkware Removal Tool
http://thisisudax.org/
But if you are having real problems there are other steps you should take, like doing an online antiviral scan:
This is an important step to do even if you ran your resident AV program, as some malware can disable the program currently installed on your PC. The online AV scanners can sometimes reveal infections your present AV can not. An online scanner can't be "fooled" or damaged by malware. The online scan will not interfere with your currently installed AV program.
Mandatory Steps has links to a couple online AV scans and instructions.
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/13616
Again, I apologize for the length. I'm a geek who sincerely wishes "Happy Computing!" for everyone.
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john
January 17, 2015 at 5:33 AM
revlow ~
I've used the SpywareInfo forums before and they worked wonders.
Depending on what the issue is (if it's a virus, trojan or malware) of some sort, they'll be able to ID the cause and provide info and tools to administer the cure.
As you know some of these can be quite intricate and the average user would not be able to remove these without some guidance.
Here's the URL to their "getting started" page.
http://www.spywareinfoforum.com/topic/79038-instructions-for-posting-requested-logs/
I've heard of dslreports as well. Folks that provide these services are lifesavers.
Fwiw, I no longer have my Windows PC. I use Firefox on a Mac. There is a fantastic addon for Firefox, called NoScript.
https://noscript.net/
Not to get too carried away, here's a brief description of how it works, from their webpage.
When you install NoScript, JavaScript, Java, Flash Silverlight and possibly other executable contents are blocked by default.
You will be able to allow JavaScript/Java/... execution (scripts from now on) selectively, on the sites you trust.
You can allow a site to run scripts temporarily, if you're just surfing randomly, or permanently, when you visit it often and you really trust it.
It might sound like a lot of mumbo jumbo to most of us, but, it goes a long way to help prevent "bad things" happening to your computer.
Hope this helps.
revlow
January 17, 2015 at 12:46 PM
Thanks John.
I agree! The volunteers at these sites are angels. So patient and helpful.
Thanks for the NoScript info! That will be especially helpful now. I am currently helping a client make the transition from a PC to a Mac. She also is getting a new ISP, an iPhone, and switching to 2 new emails -- one personal, one professional -- in ONE week. It's been a challenge to say the least. I'm on a PC myself, but fortunately I'm bilingual.
I'm currently maintaining 10 computers remotely, family and one client. (Thank you TeamViewer!) I turn off Java on all of them. They don't use sites that require Java, and if they should come across one, it'll let them know. But I didn't have the ability to turn off JavaScript selectively. Thanks. Very cool!
I have another Q for you. Do you use an AV program in addition to the built-in one on your Mac? My personal experience is that the "Mac never gets viruses" party-line is a crock. I used to do iPhone and iPad support, and my iMac got hit a few times. Fortunately the guy in IT knew what to do, and didn't buy the company kool aid about Macs and viruses/malware. (BTW, horrible company to work for. Their once acclaimed customer support is bullsh*** now. Treat their customers, and tech support staff, like dirt. Could give horror stories. I'll spare you.)
Anyway... I've strayed. Not sure whether to put an AV program on my client's Mac, and if so what. Do you have an opinion? Would very much appreciate your input.
Unfortunately in Kdrama-Land, it's especially important to be proactive.
Okay folks... that's all for now from tech corner.
Thanks again, John.
revlow
January 17, 2015 at 1:46 PM
Macs do get far fewer attacks than Windows, but they do get them. So does iOS, though Apple will never admit it. But, as a Romanian system admin co-worker pointed out to me a few years ago, as Macs become more affordable, they are becoming more prevalent in Eastern European countries where so many of the viruses originate. The more Macs are sold worldwide, the more they'll be targeted. Even Apple and Google (which has migrated away from Windows almost entirely) were hit by a Trojan in 2013.
Sorry... I do go on. :-(
Any feedback greatly appreciated John.
john
January 18, 2015 at 5:37 AM
revlow ~
I've used ESET before. It receives pretty good reviews.
revlow
January 18, 2015 at 12:23 PM
Many thanks John. I've used Eset before on PCs and always been happy, nice to know it's good for Mac.
31 Julia the Berkshire Beanie
January 16, 2015 at 8:31 AM
Thinking of my favorite Beanie friends.
This week watching Mr. Baek.
https://jreidy17.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/kdrama-mr-baek-%EB%AF%B8%EC%8A%A4%ED%84%B0-%EB%B0%B1-2/
Owl, this week we are tackling three Hanja.
One 一
Two 二
Three 三
In Korean that is 일, 이, 삼.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 8:40 AM
For numbers, Hanja is so direct. I like that. Thanks, JBB, for keeping me motivated. Now I pay attention to the Hangul and Hanja titles for kdramas.
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Julia the Berkshire Beanie
January 16, 2015 at 9:50 AM
For those who don't know Hangul yet, let me break down the Korean.
There are 2 number systems: native Korean (하나 hana, 둘 dul, 셋 set) and Sino-Korean (일 il, 이 i, 삼 sam) borrowed from trading with the Chinese.
ㅇ(silent when in first consonant position)
1 = ㅇ + ㅣ(i) + ㄹ(r/l) = 일
2 = ㅇ + ㅣ(i) = 이
3 = ㅅ (s) + ㅏ (a) + ㅁ(m) = 삼
Owl is right when she says pictures of Chinese ( 一 二 三) do seem easier than 일, 이, 삼.
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 10:28 AM
Thank you so much.! For explaining. I had no idea there were two sets of numbers, although I did notice it. I hear the native Korean numbering system more in dramas and songs. In plus nine boys, they call her
' samshik' which confused me. But now I know. Thanks!
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unitedred
January 18, 2015 at 8:33 PM
Koreans typically use the Korean system for age/counting, but occasionally use the Sino-Korean system to tell time.
PeepsLeAwesomePotato
January 16, 2015 at 10:35 AM
Chinese 'one two three' is easier because they're glyphs, ie, they're derived from pictures/shapes of objects. Hangul, instead are like alphabets, and they're simply predetermined letters arranged in whatever order they sound like.
In fact, Traditional Chinese words can be a lot more nuanced than the Simplified Chinese that China and Singapore are using today.
A common example is the word "listen". In Traditional Chinese, it's 聽, in which the top left is also the word for "ear", the bottom left is the word for "king". The top right is some mangled version for "eyes", the horizontal line at the center-right, as you can tell from 一 二 三, is the word for "one" and in bottom right is the word for "heart". In that one word, it shows the entire meaning of listen, which is to hear with your ears, and give the full, undivided (one) attention from your heart.
The Simplified Chinese version is 听, which, uh, cuts away a lot as you can see.
However, the advantage is that more people can become literate in Chinese. And it definitely helps those with learning difficulties, such as those with Dyslexia. (If it's hard enough to read English words in which the alphabets are all the same, imagine the nightmare of trying to cough up or recognize words like 聽.)
Not related info, but I thought I'd just share.
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yimmi
January 16, 2015 at 10:54 AM
@Peeps and Julia the Berkshire Beanie
Thank you for that! I find it fascinating! I've been studying the Hangul alphabet (just consonants so far) in prep. for my korean language course I'm signing up for so whatever you feel like sharing I'm grateful to learn!
Julia the Berkshire Beanie
January 16, 2015 at 11:52 AM
Peeps, thanks for the explanation.
As a dyslexic, I do find Chinese characters easier to remember than letters that can flip (ㅗ ㅜ for example).
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karecity
January 17, 2015 at 8:26 AM
But Korean is a lot easier to learn than Mandarin, coming from a (Singaporean) Chinese here. Simply because Mandarin has no alphabets so sometimes you can come across words you just have no idea how to read, while Korean uses alphabets so you can read every word even if you don't understand it.
Not sure if you know this but quite alot of the words, especially the vocab, have very similar pronunciations.
For example, yi er san = il i sam.
xinzang = shim jang (heart)
taiyang = taeyang (sun)
So you're actually partially learning Mandarin while learning korean :)
Good luck in your learning of the Korean language! I have managed to pick up quite a fair bit by watching an insane number of variety shows and dramas and managed to use some of it when I last went to Korea, although I completely messed up the honorifics haha.
unitedred
January 18, 2015 at 8:37 PM
During Sejong the Great's reign as King, the Korean language was created so that it would be easier for people to learn. Most people at the time used Chinese to read and write, but Korea didn't have a true written language of their own. In order for everyone including commoners to be literate, Hangul was created. I don't think Hangul wasn't officially used until the 1900s though.
Julia the Berkshire Beanie
January 16, 2015 at 11:57 AM
Also, have you noticed that movie titles in Korean tend to use the English word? For example: the series Nine: Nine Time Travels (Hangul: 나인 ㄴ (n) ㅏ (a) ㅇ ㅣ(i) ㄴ(n) ... nine )
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32 shaynanigans
January 16, 2015 at 8:40 AM
I find it interesting how dramas can have completely random similarities at times.
This week Valid Love and Healer, both Monday/Tuesday dramas, had two weird parallels:
Curry Rice - Both dramas showed the romantic couple cooking a real meal together for the first time. In both cases they made curry rice.
Carpenter Kim wins the OCD game here for cutting is veggies in precisely the same size and shape plus organizing them in a perfectly segmented circle.
Soyu & Junggigo's Some - Ajumma sang it to Jung Hoo and Jang Hee Tae's research buddy sang it to Yoo Sung Joo regarding her one-sided love with Jang Hee Tae.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 9:41 AM
hmm, yeah but like, my roommate once cooked curry rice basically every day. it is not uncommon. but the otehr parallels are interesting
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:28 PM
I guess this wouldn't be considered too off-topic... I watched the J-drama, "A Million Stars Falling from the Sky," starring Takuya Kimura, and while he and the female lead ate lots of drool-worthy dishes, my favorite was when they sat on a rooftop in the late afternoon, and he brings out a big black cast-iron pot of homemade curry (he's a chef in the drama)...and it looked sooooooooooooooooooo good.
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33 Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 8:42 AM
Valid Love I am still liking it but I guess my love has been shaken. Is it a test of loyalty? I fail writer, sorry, first Healer, that shameless thief, then all the crazy people in KMHM and HTH just stole my heart. :)
Last week I felt they were trying to push new romances too fast, this week began more realistically with Il-Ri and the husband really letting themselves feel the sadness of the break up and then ep 12 went crazy again. Way too fast. I mean, I understand the events that finally led him to think his reaction was maybe not what was best for him in the long run and even though he still doesn't realize his faults, I can see that he would want to come back to her, but to go from this to let's try an open relationship is just too much. It doesn't fit his character! I'm not sure even Kim Joon would accept that. I don't understand how IR feels about them anymore either, it was very late yesterday, I'll rewatch later but if more people watching VL can explain please do. :)
I liked that the pseudo romance with coworker seems to be finished, since it was going nowhere anyway and I don't like the idea of having another person in hubby's family with a problem. Can that annoying brother please go to study in America please? He is just filler and it's boring filler. I want a resolution with unni and I want her mom to come back to being a decent reasonable mom too.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 9:07 AM
yes, the lvoe is shaken but I for one dont feel it was too fast. it was more like they arent steady in their emotions and choices to begin with. it is just another one of their shaky impulses, so to me, it makes sense, with the character sort of.
no more angst. maybe Il Ri had some weight off her mind and she is bouncing back up like a ball, thats why it seemed a little rushed. I love how kim joon is working on trying to understand.
we´ll see. I just like the athmosphere in the drama, it reminds me of Shut up fbb
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Spi
January 16, 2015 at 11:29 AM
Interesting that you said that, I'm also a big fan of Shut Up Flower Boyband (hence the name), and I also cannot put my fingers on why I actually like this show. I think Valid Love is so much different from Shut Up though, but they are both from TvN so maybe you're right.
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shaynanigans
January 16, 2015 at 12:30 PM
Shut Up FBB. Such a different genre and yet, if you think solely of the cinematography....
Muted tones in the clothes and many of the shots have a gritty feel with soft edges.
Yes, I can see the similarities.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:44 PM
it is also in the quiet realism and the natural tone the words are spoken
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Spi
January 16, 2015 at 11:27 AM
I think when Hae Tae proposed the open relationship he was not serious, he just blurted it out in desperation.
My biggest problem right now to retain my love for this show is Kim Joon. Seriously, you got fake invite to tea and then you were dismissed seconds later, but you just came around and acted like a puppy? Where is the Kim Joon who stood up and said "I don't want your half heart"? I mean I have no problem with clingy second lead. Korean dramas cannot do without them. But he is just following an erratic route of mood swings that is not well explained.
On the other hand, I really like the psychological roller-coaster that Hae Tea is going through. It is hitting him slowly and hard that he indeed never really tried in his relationship with Il Ri.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM
I think why Kim Joon acted like that was because of those stares with Il Ri she tried to deny any feelings but her eyes were filled with tears and stuff ...or something like it. and fear and confusion. since he saw it, he just obliged to her impulses cause he understands the state she is in
I just really want to love this show, even if it has flaws. gimme a break.
but it better now gimme any more angst
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 2:56 PM
Yes, I thought he was acting strange too. She was just using him and for no good reason. She didn't play these sort of games that's why I find her strange on this last episode.
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missjb
January 16, 2015 at 5:55 PM
I don't think is absurb. WHat's the point with IR - KJ previous relationship development that need several episode to develop if not use for further plot development? If can be break only by one harsh statement? I get the sense Their relationship have more understanding than IR - HT relationship. He also deeper sense of a good understanding than HT.
It's not the quantity that's count, Their relationship is shorter, but the quality of their relationship in those moment was more honest and open.
Moreover, they often show again and again, when KJ sit in his house to eat, alone, and imagining IR. From the 1st episode, he is already depict as someone who deep down desperately need a real relationship with someone. And he know it's IR. They are forgive each other and clear their misunderstanding when their emotion start calming down. IMO it's very human feeling.
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34 museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 9:03 AM
Question: Where's Waldo?:
List actors you like but have mysteriously gone MIA or hasn't been around in a while you wish would do a project this year. (Not including military service guys).
I ask this because I randomly remembered Lee Tae-sung (Tae-mu in Rooftop Prince). He's maybe not the best actor but he's sufficiently amusing and attractive, so shouldn't he be getting roles? Curious. Checked, he was in I Summon You Gold but I'm not that desperate. Still, I liked him. What about you guys?
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Chandler
January 16, 2015 at 10:03 AM
Oh, dear lord, I could do this forever.
First off, JAE HEE from Delightful Girl, Choon Hyang! HANDS DOWN. I want this guy to be in a hit drama so badly. It's been TEN years since he was in a drama that did him justice. I feel like he's missed his moment and like he might not ever make a come-back and that makes me sad :(
Shin Dong-wook from Soulmate. I know he has his illness, but in 2013 we got news that he might make a comeback! :( But he hasn't. I hope he's doing well.
Kim Jae-wook. I want him as a lead and I want him, oh, I don't know, NOT getting cut out of the drama (ala Age of Feeling). It feels like he hasn't been around lately, even though I guess it hasn't really been that long.
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fab
January 16, 2015 at 10:25 AM
Shin Dong-wook! I am glad to read he is well now. That illness is awful. Hope to see him cast again.
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM
Ohh JAE HEE I didn't see that but I liked him in 3-Iron and started Color of a Woman because of him but dropped it. The bromance between him and his tarantula killed me, but I got annoyed at the unsubtle propaganda (I exaggerate only slightly).
Kim Jae-wook I thought was just a pretty boy but he's improved a lot since Coffee Prince and I'd like to see him in something good so I can fully reassess his chops since I skipped his projects after Bad Guy. It'd be cool to see him play a character beyond his face.
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:37 AM
I have a rather vain hope that Kim Jae-wook will actually get to be the leading man in something one day, and that that something will be good.
I can accept him playing second lead to Kim Nam-gil, but second lead to Taecyeon?! wtf.
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atz
January 16, 2015 at 3:04 PM
Kim Jae Wook needs to come back. I dislike Age of Feeling except Kim Jae Wook and Kwak Dong-yeon. I thought that KJW was fine in the drama and it is still not so clear as to why he left suddenly. He is a good actor when it comes to display his turmoil fragile state.
someone like him who is fluent in Japanese should be cast in a Japanese drama.
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Tara
January 16, 2015 at 10:30 AM
@museofmanymasks: Lee Tae-sung is actually doing his military service now...he entered as soon as I Summon You, Gold! wrapped up in October 2013. I remember clearly because it was a double whammy -- he was going to service, and he had secretly married right before he left (and had a toddler son already to boot!). I was actually surprised with his age, because I figured him to be in his early twenties.
But yes...I agree, he's sufficiently amusing and attractive. Honestly watched Hooray for Love for him & Lee Bo-young. At least he will be finishing up this year!
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 10:48 AM
wahhh? I missed this entirely. Wow I thought he was younger too. Umm I'm happy for him? I mean good for him, marriage and baby but did the netizens cause a ruckus? I hope not 'cause when he gets out I want to see him again asap. Guess that's another actor to add to my waiting list. And he already had a nice body; my mind is boggled at how the army will improve upon that hehe. *drooling*
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 11:04 AM
Also I was also going to watch Hooray for Love for them. Is it worth it? Because that' a lot of hours if its not.
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Tara
January 16, 2015 at 12:55 PM
Actually, I don't think netizens were in any sort of uproar about it...mostly because it was all done by the time the news came out, and I think they helped that he went into the military.
I googled him just now...she's 7 years older than him (!! he's turning 30 this year!) and apparently they registered their marriage a year earlier (2012) but didn't officially have a ceremony because his grandparents were ailing.
Hooray for Love...if you can watch your typical weekend drama, you can watch this. There were times where I absolutely hated it because there's so much I can stand where the heroine keeps getting beat down and stepped on. But LTS & LBY as leads made it worthwhile for me...as did supporting roles of single father (Ahn Sang-tae) and little daughter (Kim Yoo-bin--she was Saet-byul in God's Gift) -- their identical curly hair, saturi and cute moments really helped cut through the angst. I could do without a lot of the angst surrounding the parents (which is quite a lot)...but I remember it more being a story of a woman who rose above all the shit life threw at her and fell in love in the process.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 10:41 AM
They may be doing other non kdrama stuff (movies, China dramas) but I miss Kim Woo Bin and Lee Min Ho. No school uniforms this time, please. Real Oppas.
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 10:52 AM
They both just finished movies. Woobie the Technicians or one of the other million titles it went through and Lee Min-ho went without face cream to look tougher for Gangnam Blues. When they come back to dramaland I hope they get to play their age too. Mostly wanna see Woobie. Something like his White Christmas character--red hair optional. And maybe Min-ho will have improved acting opposite Kim Rae-won? At the very least he needs a better haircut and wardrobe than Heirs.
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 10:59 AM
lmao @ "went without face cream to look tougher"! I mean, just the sound of that....
And yeah, The Technicians did have a lot of titles haha. Makes it impossible to search online.
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yimmi
January 16, 2015 at 11:12 AM
"Lee Min-ho went without face cream to look tougher for Gangnam Blues."
Ikr! I just snorted out loud with laughter while reading this in the library! Oh the love of Asians for face creams! After watching kdramas I've started obsessing a little too but I use coconut oil. So moisturizing! ;)
Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:34 PM
Maybe I haven't paid attention, but where's the actor from "Flower Boy Next Door" and "Joseon X-Files"...Kim Ji-Hoon?
I'd like to see Son Yeh-Jin in another drama, too, instead of a movie. "Alone in Love" is one I'm still going to get around, too, but I'd like one of hers that isn't so serious-looking.
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35 shaynanigans
January 16, 2015 at 9:18 AM
Kill Me, Heal Me - I love this drama.
How creepy was it when he woke up in the wine cellar? Does that mean the wine cellar is the location of his old bedroom/cell? And what caused the sudden birth of Nana's personality?
I'm trying to envision the logistics of her getting into the family house - with a huge teddy-bear. Imagine the family (or staff) witnessing that one.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 9:34 AM
the teddy was drawn wrong for a 7 y old though. they dont draw like designers yet
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shaynanigans
January 16, 2015 at 9:50 AM
Yes. And the printing (in english) is also way too neat for a 7 yr old. I am going to assume she was in co-conscience with.... someone. Otherwise how would she have driven there?
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yimmi
January 16, 2015 at 11:08 AM
Wild Speculations (and possible spoiler?) On KMHM-
I'm wondering if Nana is Oh Ri Jin and not another of his personalities but rather that drawing was from a lost memory involving her. Like maybe she was there too? since we know that she is someone from his forgotten past (and to have forgotten her its most likely that he knew her during his missing time frame which in drama land means she was probably involved somehow). It's a possibility anyway...
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shaynanigans
January 16, 2015 at 1:17 PM
I agree that possible ORJ and CDH may have shared a past.
There was the conversation with ORJ's mom questioning if both twins are biologically hers.
And ORO also adds to the mystery in the parking garage when he catches himself talking about the neighbour with the trampoline. Nevermind his stalker-board on CDH's life.
But then there was the one with CDH's mom alluding that he isn't her son, even if he came out of her belly(?). Of course the Viki subbers seem to not like the bickering moms, the subs are never complete when they get into family politics.
Yea, this is going to be a wild ride.
yimmi
January 16, 2015 at 7:22 PM
More possible spoilers KMHM-
Hmmn. What i got from that was since she (CDH's mom) wasn't the legal wife but the mistress they probaby put CDH on the family registry under the wife's name (like in Heirs), so maybe that's why she said it? And whatever happened to him maybe she wasn't around at the time because he was being raised by the first wife and family? I would hate to think she was there when all his trauma was taking place and didn't do anything about it to stop whatever was going on since she seems to know what happened. Anyway, a wild ride indeed but I'm looking forward to it!
36 panbell
January 16, 2015 at 9:35 AM
Hi beanies, happy weekends everyone.
Healer-so I wonder where is dae yong? That's the name right,the young girl that is superb in karate, right? Isn't she supposed to be there to save his hyung or am i missing something from the plot because i haven't watched any recent episodes, work is taking over me, gahhh, life is so hard~
Running man- i don't know man, im pretty sure someone will defend lee seo jin for his behaviour on the recent episode but I felt like he's kinda rude to the members, yes i know he's grumpy (I did read the recaps fo grandpa over flowers(can't remember the exact title)) but the way he acts, he's kinda belittle the efforts from the members. Yes sometimes i do agree that the members tend to overreact cough*kwangsoo*cough but then you don't have to blatantly point it out and he's willing to be in this show so he should know what the guest should do/comply, right....yea,yea, i know,i know,okay,okay, i'm hiding right now,i know u guys love him.
Is there any top gear fans here? Can't wait for new season!
*im sorry my english is not perfect since it's not my native language
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iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 11:20 AM
I'm a Top Gear fan. I've already seen the Patagonia special, which was beautiful and then scary. I'm also looking forward to a new season. My sister is looking forward to it even more.
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panbell
January 16, 2015 at 11:51 AM
Gahh, i haven't watched that special yet* tears
By scary do you mean that incident involving that plate number? Is it too bad? I'm not ready to watch it because from the news it seems so bad and violent enough to make me shudder and feel bad towards the top gear crews.
I don't know it's true or not but there is a rumor about this new season will be 10+ episodes, please let it be,i cant believe there is no top gear last year.
Please say hi to your sister. I'm happy to see top gear fan here because seriously no one around me watch this show*more tears. Anyway my favourite special is vietnam special but then it's hard to choose any particular good episode because all episodes and seasons and specials are awesome.
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37 CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 9:41 AM
Hello all:
Hope everyone doing well!
I'm overjoyed at my new HP Stream 11 laptop! I am so in heaven. And only $200! Soooooo happy! Yep, material stuff just makes me soooooooooo happy sometimes.
Dramas:
Valid Love: Am not sure what our heroine's "growth" is all about. But loving Lee Soo Hyuk. I WANT that man!
Kill me, Heal me: There is so much tenderness in the OTP's connection to each other. WOW! CHEMISTRY! I like a heroine who has seen it all and who deals with every human idiosyncracy as if it's no big thing. There's a lovingsweetness in that. One of the best all-accepting "people are people" characters I've seen in a long while in any kind of show.
Heart to Heart: The undercurrent of pain and grief in this one is sooo good!
King's Face: Kinda wish Secret Door had been like this where we see the whole journey of the character. But they don't seem to know what to do with the king's wife, do they? This is one truly sexless drama.
Healer: Yes, I HAVE to catch up on this.
What happens to my family: I keep crying anticipating Daddy Cha's death. And wow, how is Sis gonna take this?
Punch: Looks like heroine is gonna take the two step forward one step backward growth path to common sense. When will she learn to stop trusting the law?
We Got Married: Ah me, Nam Goong Min! And Song Jae Rim. Love those guys!
Have a great weekend, all.
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:31 AM
Oh, now you've reminded me What's With This Family is ending too......that's my entire last wave of 2014 dramas gone! I dread Dad's death :/
I haven't been following We Got Married but I do like that Rim and Namgoong Min are so comfortable with their "wives". Though I feel bad for Hong Jong-hyun's wife, they are just so awkward around each other and it has to suck to be around a dude who can't appear attracted to you even when he is supposed to.
(I feel bad for poor Yura, I've actually come to like her since I saw her web drama Be Arrogant. She's a decent enough actress there, and unspeakably gorgeous - like 10x more than what she is on WGM)
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 11:40 AM
Yes, that awkwardness. It's hard to watch. At first i wondered if he was just nervous with her. Now i'm thinking he just is FINALLY letting himself relax. That poor woman has tried so hard all these episodes to loosen him up.
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korfan
January 17, 2015 at 1:09 AM
Carole -
Hi! Hope you're doing well today.
Congrats on the HP Stream 11 purchase! ..... I got a Stream 13 recently and having fun with it also!
Quick question: When you visit Dramabeans, is your laptop freezing and automatically reloading the page? I ask because it happens to me and a message comes up that the "script" is too long or taking too long to load, something like that. ...... I just wait for a couple of minutes and the message goes away, the page reloads and I continue. It seems harmless, but it's sure annoying because it only does it on this site. *sadface*
I'm looking forward to Kill Me, Heal Me. ..... That's next on my "to watch" list!
Have a great weekend!
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38 owl
January 16, 2015 at 9:45 AM
See Me Feel Me Touch Me Heal Me Kill Me
This kdrama is really working for me. Ji Sung (Do Hyun) and Hwang Jung Eum (Ri Jin) are together again, and there IS chemistry. The scene where they were going through the hospital (ep 4) meeting people was just, wow, great acting. My heart is so sad for Do Hyun and I really hate the nightmares he has from his childhood – things will get darker before there is any light at the end of his tunnel. The heavy is duty and the light moments are big smile makers – what a contrast. There are already some “bests” – revolving door – best cute scene; Dispatch – best most appropo nickname; Ri Jin and Ri Oh – best twin siblings.
I want to do a kdrama cameo. I would be satisfied with a quick little walk-on, if I could only do the scene where I would take a head-thrown-back gulp from a can of soda, nonchalantly turn to go back to my office, and then do the “shocked at what I see” spray everywhere. It never grows old and Ri Jin’s version had me laughing like crazy. What cameo scene you would really love to do in a kdrama?
Prosecutors Prosecuting Prosecutors –we’re talkin’ about that in post #6 up above...
FT Island’s Hangul Live – you can now find all the posts in one convenient location on my blog. Also, Roommate viewers, join in the discussion for the show whose format continues to be as random as anything out there. http://www.cimiart.wordpress.com
Otherwise, it’s a white winter wonderland with more snow piling up today. Shovel, and then coffee, coffee, coffee and more kdramas. Makes me happy
p.s. Ri On’s silent mouthed (peace) \/ sign through the car window - l♥ve him to bits.
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 11:01 AM
I would want to be an evil mother or any of Shin Sung Rok's characters. Let me explain. While annoying and terrible, I've always wanted to play those sort of evil/pushy mother roles because they seem so fun--though more so before kdramas. Like Mrs. Bennet who wasn't evil but it'd be fun to be hilariously flighty and all "my poor nerves". And Cinderella's stepmother from Brandy's Cinderella: Awesomely terrible--or the reverse. In kdramas, Mrs. Bennet would be Heir's rich mom maybe and Step-mom would fit most of them. Part of Shin Sung Rok's awesomeness is that he has fun being the bad guy--you can't do that heinous stuff in real life (and get away with it unless your lucky/genius), so you might as well enjoy it on screen: let's face it, power is intoxicating. OH! or a despot king. I was born to rule, though in real life I'd be the best benevolent world dictator ever.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 11:54 AM
and especially cause he is so tall I dont know how tall you are but a tiny mother would be so cute next to him
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM
Yummmm he IS TALL. probably my favorite thing in a man so I can't commit to being his mom cause reverse Oedipal complex not cool *crying* I am ridiculously short I know fifth graders who are about my height. I confess I did not like milk as a child.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:40 PM
It would be so twisted: it is sort of like being in love with a murderous hot vampire, except you are the vampire who created him
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 11:53 AM
I just thought about that. I want to be a NORMAL foreigner, who is kind of lost and tries to speak koran and is embarrassed and gets in trouble somewhere, gets arrested and doesnt know why. kinda like lost in translation. maybe not just a cameo not a big role, but some weird foreigner who pops up here and there. a REAL PERSON. cause those so called foreigners are so terrible. Hey i am not blond I am a redhead!
winter wonderland. you tell me. we have had snow frost then melted then frost then melted the result is you cannot go outside at all, it is all ice covered with about 10 cm of water and so slippery that you just cant get anywhere and no use putting sand of grovel on it cause th water washes it away.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM
not koran. korean. see I make for a very confusing foreigner. they might think I am a terrorist
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fab
January 16, 2015 at 1:37 PM
.........not really
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meenuby
January 16, 2015 at 6:08 PM
@redfox
I find that comment a bit offensive, equating "speaking koran" to terrorism. I'm sure that's not what you meant, but it is tiring to see something you (and over a billion other humans on the planet) believe in getting a bad rap because of the actions of some malevolent idiots.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM
it was a joke. I am sorry jokes have become offensive to people. I won´t joke no more.
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 10:42 PM
but if you are worried, then I can easily also insult bible or any book people believe in as if their life depended on it.
in my opinion, the human culture is old enough, it is high time to grow up and cultivate your own mind with knowledge and experience.
sorry, seriously, you need to remember I cannot stop myself from blurting out stuff. it just pops out. I know it could become a problem at some point, but it is also partly conscious cause I don´t see the need to be careful around NON-extremists. cause if I had to be careful... then there is something off.
meenuby
January 17, 2015 at 11:18 AM
Wow, way to make so many assumptions about someone you don't even know. I like jokes just as much as the next person, but I found your "joke" to be in poor taste. And I'm not asking you to insult anyone's beliefs.
In my opinion, the human culture is old enough, it is high time to grow up and cultivate your own mind with some tact along with knowledge and experience.
As I said before, I'm sure it was not your intention to insult.
redfox
January 17, 2015 at 3:13 PM
assumptions? never made any about you, or who do you mean, I mean. ok. yeah maybe poor taste. but I wasnt assuming anything. where?
ah whatever. you´ll believe what you want anyway
owl
January 16, 2015 at 12:38 PM
random delights
Along with coffee coffee coffee and kdramas today, I was deliciously tickled beyond description to come across a box of Aloha Gems (macadamia nuts covered in chocolate) that were hidden out of sight since Thanksgiving or before behind salad bowls and a bread board on a high shelf as I was rummaging around for a grater. I couldn't have planned it any better if I tried. Score.
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:38 PM
I spent a week in Tokyo right after the new year, and bought these Gorgonzola covered almonds... Exotic, yes, but also so addicting. Macadamia nuts are too, in all their fragrant and oily goodness. Especially with coffee.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 7:57 PM
The almonds sound fantastically addicting, too.
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harmonyfb
January 17, 2015 at 8:31 AM
kdrama cameo
I'd like to do a cameo where I show up in the background making the "What is WRONG with you people?!?" face all through the series. Like, with increasing levels of comic shenanigans outside my shop, or something.
And then I'd maybe get one really snarky muttered line at the end of the series.
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owl
January 17, 2015 at 7:11 PM
Just one really snarky line to wrap up the series would be grand, harmonyfb!
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thursdaynexxt
January 17, 2015 at 3:49 PM
@owl: kdrama cameo's a great idea!!
@harmonyfb: I'd be one of those people sitting in the cafe/office/pojangmacha when the 2 OTPs are bickering. Either the girl or the guy ends up yelling, and the people nearby turn around and stare at them like they're crazy.
If the main guy doesn't get a glass of water/soju in the face, then he's pretty lucky.
I've been watching more BTS vids lately, so I'm more aware now of the extras!
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owl
January 17, 2015 at 7:12 PM
Like redfox's post way up at the top, ha!
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redfox
January 18, 2015 at 9:36 AM
the k-drama virus. soon it will spread everywhere...
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39 spazmo
January 16, 2015 at 9:51 AM
spy - jaejoooong! love his badass mom!
kill me heal me - ji suuuuuung! love all his selves!
healer - chang woooooook! perfect couple, love PMY in this!
valid love - realistic situations, very complicated emotions, it's getting very sad...
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40 pogo
January 16, 2015 at 10:57 AM
Pinocchio is over! I miss it so much already, it's not reinventing anything groundbreaking but my goodness the way it made me feel so much......and I may just have rewound on those ending kisses a lot, because they were swoonworthy.
(unlike many, I belong to a school of thought that believes that even a French kiss can look soulless and wrong if the couple doesn't sell it well enough, but I loved how tender yet passionate they were. Bonus wedding dress and tux were much appreciated! And it looks like it paid off somewhat, since they got 13-odd percent in ratings - the highest for any weekday drama in the last six months, I think)
And where was hyung in the end?! I wanted to see him! (I hope Yoon Kyun-sang's phone is ringing off the hook with offers for roles, he can really nail the sad puppy eyes look)
I watched Pirates last week too, as my k-movie of the week. It may as well have been called Pirates of the Caribbean, because it was so close to that in format and Kim Nam-gil bears a spooky resemblance to a young Johnny Depp. Sohn Ye-jin makes a great action heroine, though - not her greatest performance but she can handle fights with style and looks good doing it.
(funnily, the part that really got to me was the whale....a CGI whale)
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:11 AM
Other stuff I saw (not j or kmovie) The Theory of Everything.
I'm normally quite sceptical of Hollywood biopics because they seem so obviously calculated to get awards, but this one was really good and just a little more complex than your average biopic. And I loved Eddie Redmayne as Stephen Hawking (yes, THAT Stephen Hawking!). It really was a great performance.
(I admit I may be biased because I have been a huge fan of his for many years, and became an even bigger fan after he did Birdsong, which contained the hottest 19+rated scene I have seen in any movie or tv in my life.)
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panbell
January 16, 2015 at 11:28 AM
Owh is the theory of everything movie good? Is it too sad? Because I cried many times when I watched the trailer(the fact that just watching the trailer can make me cry so hard), so I thought i need to stay away from the movie but then it looks too awesome. I'm a fan of felicity jones since the movie about snowboarding with that dude from gossip girl.
Well i dont know about the other biopic movies but a beatiful mind is 1 of the best movie i ever watched.
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 11:35 AM
well, we all know what happened to Stephen Hawking (or how he ended up, anyway) but I did find it not totally depressing. I mean, his illness did cause a lot of trouble in his marriage, but a lot of things aren't really straightforward, like his and Jane's relationships with other people. It's based on Jane's own account of those years, so I guess as a film it feels more intimate than the usual biography adaptations.
I love Felicity Jones ever since Like Crazy. She's got a very Audrey Hepburn-like air about her, and her performance is fantastic here. She deserved that Oscar nomination (so did Eddie).
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panbell
January 16, 2015 at 1:12 PM
Oh okay, glad to hear it's not that depressing. Definitely gonna check this movie after this, but pretty sure i need to have a box of kleenex while watching this movie. And I really want to read the book, must put it in must-read list.Thanks.
fab
January 16, 2015 at 1:33 PM
Eddie Redmayne FTW.
Speaking of the Oscar, which Redmayne should totally win, I just read that Sea Fog didn't make the nominating list. Sad.
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 1:44 PM
As a fan I want Eddie to sweep it, but realistically, I realise the Academy will probably give it to Michael Keaton over some young British upstart who played a genius (Oscar wins are decided by campaigns as much as elections, after all).
I didn't expect Sea Fog to make the list, but at least it got the nomination from Korea in the first place, that's something.
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harmonyfb
January 17, 2015 at 8:28 AM
I just can't deal with a film packaged as a love story when we all know they're divorced. ::shrug:: Eddie Redmayne is an excellent actor, but I just wasn't interested.
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pogo
January 17, 2015 at 10:23 PM
Considering their mutual alienation, feelings for other people, and eventual divorce are huge parts of the story, it's hardly "packaged as a love story", unless showing attraction between two good-looking young people makes it that.
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harmonyfb
January 18, 2015 at 1:11 PM
Ah, but the marketing material is all aimed at 'beautiful love story', and I'm looking at my husband, saying "Everybody knows they're divorced, right?" ::laugh::
41 Momopeach
January 16, 2015 at 11:21 AM
Avoiding reading the comments scrolling down just in case there are Pinocchio spoilers. Still on episode 15 lo. Have to finish it up soon before nursing school starts.
Finished Mr. Back and SAKURA and those were enjoyable. Dunno where Ayase's drama went (like I haven't noticed it updated, but it's been a while). Need to finish Pinocchio and I wanna get into Healer because our leads from Smile Donghae are back together.
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42 oftheshore
January 16, 2015 at 11:38 AM
To the person who also listens to the NPR Pop Culture podcast and recommended and couple of dramas to the host who was interested in exploring the world of K-dramas: thank you, whoever you are!:) Glad to hear a podcast I enjoy raising an interest in K-dramas.
Also, since I've been absent from Kdramaland for ages, can some explain to me why everyone seems to be obsessed with Healer? I am genuinely curious and don't want to read recaps to avoid spoilers!
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43 halfmoon
January 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM
Anyone is reading DB site using a smartphone and the mobile version of the site? If so, are you able to see all comments of a post? For ex, the recent Healer recaps have tons of comments across several pages (on the desktop version). On my phone (mobile version of the site), I'm only seeing a few (perhaps the 1st page?). Anyone else?
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Tara
January 16, 2015 at 1:01 PM
You have to scroll down to the bottom, hit "desktop view", then go to page 2 or whatever, which will take you back to the mobile view.
There's no way of seeing all the comments on multiple pages, just one page at a time.
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fab
January 16, 2015 at 1:36 PM
Yeah the mobile version doesn't show all of the comments, nor the numbers of the comments. If you want to keep the desktop version, go to your settings and click on View Desktop.
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44 Tara
January 16, 2015 at 1:49 PM
Hey everybody...happy OT!
I only have one free week left til it's back to school...argh for losing free time to catch kdramas :/
I'm at work now and posting my thoughts on Pride & Prejudice only because I don't think I can post up my thoughts on my other dramas (Pinocchio & Healer) until I get off work...can't write a proper post when I'm doing 10 things at once! ;)
Pride & Prejudice: Took me long enough, but I actually marathoned through the whole series -- just in time for the finale. The finale left much to be desired for me, and I think the extension was not a good idea (most never turn out well). That being said, Choi Min-soo was awesome. Chief Moon was a bit difficult to warm up to, especially in the beginning...but he grew on me as the eps progressed. I'm glad that he opted to stand up for justice and the ending for him? Argh. Yeol-moo as a character didn't really feel like a lead female should...and I didn't really care that the final eps solely focused on Dong-chi, Chief Moon and the corrupted band of lawyers. And how about it taking nearly the whole series for them to see them in action in court? The court proceedings and how things turned out was a bit confusing (enough so that I rewatched it 3 times) but the overarching storyline of Byul's death was interesting to see out, especially because who would have thought his death was the culmination of all those events.
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pogo
January 16, 2015 at 2:07 PM
P&P had so much potential in the beginning, and all of it wasted with the choppy mystery and weird pacing in the second half.
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 2:20 PM
Amen to that, pogo. I got stuck at ep 15. Plan to go back, but not feeling a lot of urgency to do so.
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45 Khule WY
January 16, 2015 at 2:07 PM
My timing is back to being off when it comes to the open thread, 325 comments already. Meanwhile, I feel so infuriated about the whole Jang Geun sook issue and the unfairness of it all, it's not that I'm a crazed fan but honestly Argh,I have to stop dwelling on this issue but it's been bugging me since last night.
Monday come faster or Tuesday coz that's when subs will be out.
Random thoughts, have you noticed Korea sexualises men more than women in shows as opposed to American series,its always a guy putting on a shirt or in the shower, brooding. Speaking of which,did anyone notice in YFAS doo min joo was taking a brooding shower with a towel clearly visible , didn't notice the first time I watched it.I'm noticing recent shows don't have these scenes,which is a plus for me,coz it's tired give it a rest.not speaking for everyone on this just me.they are more creativeand unexpected fan service these days,toast for example or a simple hand hold.we could go a whole show without any kissing and still be content.if America could learn from Korea on this aspect it would be great. It's the thing I found most appealing about Korean dramas, that holding hands could be such.a big deal.compared to what I was watching at the time breaking bad,game of thrones,Homeland it was kind of a relief the shows were good but all the unnecessary R rated scenes made me tired.
Variety wise Running man featuring Seo jin was awesome. I love his grumpiness, I think he's the only one in Korea who can get away with it.and also how he was with his niece, cute.
Anyone else have that niggling wish to love kdramas a little less, so you can get some semblance of a life,coz I am, God give me the grace to do it. Im planning on going back to school, I don't see how I'll be able to concentrate if shows like healer keep popping up.
Forgive me for any grammatical error. Using my phone.
Anyeong chingus.
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:49 PM
@k lava--
Yes, it hasn't escaped me how k-dramas never fail to shoot the male leads in full-ab-glory, either taking a shower or jumping into a pool or taking off their shirts.. Last night, one episode of Master's Sun had So Ji-Sub taking off his coat, with his shirt still on underneath, and I found the mere hint of abs underneath to be quite a lot sexier than full exposure. (That said, I'm guilty of oogling, too, when given the latter.)
Still, I do agree that American shows make kisses/sex less meaningful, dispensable, and all that.
In Secret Love Affair, Hye Won has her own shower scene, which is quite rare in K-dramas, no? If you haven't watched this show, I'd say it is the sexiest drama I've watched in a long long long time... The chemistry between the leads is undeniably magnetic, compelling,...sexy beyond words. I've paid this show so much lip service already, but I still feel like I haven't been able to do it full justice.
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Annie
January 17, 2015 at 10:46 AM
Re: Secret Love Affair, I think the chemistry was due to how bold and well crafted the show was. Most Kdramas are so so conservative that there's really no opportunity for sexual chemistry.
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46 Khule WY
January 16, 2015 at 2:23 PM
I was thinking aside from shin Sung rok,that chick from Jang bori is here was really evil,lying more than she could breath, so frustrating how she could lie her way out of situations. El temur and Jung Woong In (the guy from IHYV), in Empress ki were also runners up for me in that category.
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47 revlow
January 16, 2015 at 2:25 PM
Q:
I've been ruined by Misaeng. Not enjoying most of the current Kdramas. I'm trying, but having a hard time.
I know people have mentioned elsewhere some Jdramas that have a similar feel to Misaeng. I'd very much appreciate any recommendations. Thanks.
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 2:28 PM
I just noticed many people above in the same dilemma. I've seen Misaeng 3 times now, trying to hold off on a 4th.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM
Maybe combined with the end/start of the year, too, it is especially difficult to let go. It's hard to get revved up when the former year ended with such a great kdrama. Same thing happened with YFAS and IHYV, the old year goes out with a kdrama bang, and the new year is lacking which equals a double sense of loss. This year, it is Misaeng. Somehow Misaeng let me go easier, as if being satisfied with it from start to finish, and its story or ordinary life wasn't as jolting for me. But I can sense the emptiness you and others express, and I know - that kdrama black hole emptiness in the heart calling Misaeng~~~ {{{{echo}}}}~~~~
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atz
January 16, 2015 at 3:25 PM
Hanzawa Naoki by Naoto Sakai. Hanzawa is not a newbie but he is in mid ranking office worker in a big bank( I guess I can call him a banker). In the drama he was set up to fall so he needs to pull his all might to fight back to remain his position. The actors are great and the story is gripping. This drama is based on manga just like Misaeng. The drama got the highest rating in Japan.
While real Siwan seems to be very much like Jang Geu-rae, I think the real personality of Naoto Sakai is different from the character he played. so I enjoyed watching Naoto Sakai's true acting skills. Siwan is very good as Jang Geu rae, no doubt about it. But Sakai is much older thus more experienced actor. In Hanzawa Naoki, there are some interesting characters who were played by relatively unknown actors, I thought. But it turned out that they are actually known in theatre in stead of on TV so they have very good acting chop.
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 6:52 PM
Thanks atz! I will look it up.
And you're right owl about that hole ~~~ {{{{echo}}}}~~~~
I'm blanking out. What's IHYV?
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 7:55 PM
Ah, it came back to me what IHYV is... I Hear Your Voice.
I think the end of Modern Farmer at the same time as Misaeng, at the end of the year, didn't help.
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48 Anna
January 16, 2015 at 3:00 PM
I have a general kdrama question that is so basic that it's bugged me for ages. Where does the term "Candy" come from? ( Referring to the poor but optimistic/hardworking heroine). Is there an original character named Candy or....?
Another question: How is Birth of a Beauty turning out? Is it a worthwhile rom com watch or is it becoming bogged down with family drama/politics?
Thanks!!
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Trapper
January 16, 2015 at 3:12 PM
per Candy: This might help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Candy
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Anna
January 16, 2015 at 3:17 PM
Thanks!
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mashimomo
January 16, 2015 at 4:32 PM
Oopsies I meant to reply on your thread but somehow it landed as its own post @Anna. Hope this helps!
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 5:39 PM
As for Birth of a Beauty, the fast forward button is your friend.
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thursdaynexxt
January 17, 2015 at 3:37 PM
Yes indeed! I don't usually FF, but by the end it really was a case of "are we there yet?"
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:53 PM
There's lots of discussion about the origin of the term "Candy" in the recap comments of Master's Sun... I was just lurking there yesterday!
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 7:04 PM
Hi Anna. God, I don't know what to say about Birth of a Beauty. It does get bogged down with family drama/politics, and I did an awful lot of screaming at the idiocy of the characters. But it had it's good moments. I kinda consider it middle of the road Kdrama, not great, but not bad on the level of My Lovely Girl. If you feel the urge to move on, I don't think you're missing out on much.
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Anna
January 17, 2015 at 2:52 PM
Bummer! I liked the premise and chemistry of the leads so much! But I can tell I'll want to pass...
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revlow
January 17, 2015 at 3:48 PM
I liked the chemistry of the leads as well, and I was happy to see the return of Han Ye-Seul. I really liked her in the movie Penny Pinchers.
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49 mashimomo
January 16, 2015 at 3:56 PM
Candy Candy was a popular japanese animation show during the 70's that eventually was licensed to different parts of Asia, and apparently to Latin America as well. I did watch the series for a bit during the 80s when it was shown in my country but am very hazy on the details now. I grew up watching different soap operas and telenovelas so I can see why this show has so much appeal to a lot of viewers.
I initially did not connect the term to the series when Master's Sun alluded to it at first, and then found out thru some basic googling that it does refer to the show. Basically the main character, Candy, was an orphan who was adopted by a rich family, faced obstacles from rich people and was able to land herself a rich guy... twice. While keeping her cheerful and optimistic personality and positive spirit! Here's the plot summary from wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Candy
Another explainer from Kdramastars:
http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/10425/20130909/understanding-kdrama-whats-candy-girl.htm
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Anna
January 17, 2015 at 3:00 PM
Thank you so much for the links! I'd never heard of the Candy Candy anime, that definitely explains a lot. I wonder if that anime was inspired a little by the old novel Daddy Long Legs...and the old song "Sugar, Oh Honey Honey, you are my candy girl" etc etc. It is so interesting how these pop culture references play off of each other and build up over the years, internationally too!
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50 Zogzog
January 16, 2015 at 4:58 PM
Hello beanies! I've always read that Misaeng was a sliced of life like Japanese drama and now I've watch a one of them and I love it! now can you recommend me some J-drama for me?
Happy weekends! :D
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 7:09 PM
Hi Yoo Seung Ho. I heard that as well and want to try out a Jdrama now that Misaeng is over. I asked the same question above and atz recommended Hanzawa Naoki. Her comment is 47.3. (Any other suggestions welcome as well.)
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Zogzog
January 16, 2015 at 7:58 PM
Oh my bad! sorry I didn't saw your comment. Thanks :D
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 9:29 PM
Oh, my gosh! Don't worry about that. There were already 333 comments when I first got here today. There is no way to catch every one of them. I was really just letting you that there's a kindred spirit here and we have the same dilemma. I'm craving something with a similar spirit as Misaeng.
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Zogzog
January 16, 2015 at 10:34 PM
Yeah! Misaeng all the way! :D
revlow
January 16, 2015 at 9:30 PM
Plus I want to hear any other recommendations as well, so it's good to have another request for this.
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