Misaeng: Episode 7
by dramallama
We get a look into the darker and more discouraging side of working in an office. There’s a tough lesson to be learned in the workplace: Sometimes, hard work isn’t enough. Limitations are set by the hierarchy of the workplace and how much power you wield. And even if your hard work isn’t acknowledged, you’ve got to clock in at the same time the next day, ready for a whole new set of demons.
EPISODE 7 RECAP
As Geu-rae walks into the break room, he hears loud scolding from the next room. He peeks over to see Young-yi being yelled at by her senior coworker, Ha Sung-joon, for assessing his report. She replies calmly to his yelling, but he gets so worked up in his anger that he throws the papers in her face, leaving a paper cut on her cheek.
She replies again while maintaining her composure, which prompts her mad coworker to grab a book and… a smiling Chief Oh interrupts the conversation just in time, telling Sung-joon that Chief Jung is looking for him. Once he leaves, Chief Oh and Geu-rae pick up the papers (with a little tug-of-war) for Young-yi, who takes them and leaves. Chief Jung and Sung-joon glare at the duo from Sales Team 3 as they walk past, but Chief Oh walks onward with a forced smile on his face, turning Geu-rae’s face away from them.
Sales Team 3 holds a meeting to decide their new sales project. Dong-shik recommends that they choose the safer route with the grade-A product, but Chief Oh gravitates towards the riskier, grade-B one. Geu-rae analyzes his decision-making process, noticing that he’s imitating the movements of a baduk gambler who rolls two stones between his fingers while holding a hidden stone. He’s sure that Chief Oh has a hidden card somewhere in this deal but can’t seem to analyze Dong-shik’s expression as they decide to go forward with the grade-B item.
Chief Oh tries to convince his manager that the Iran petroleum deal will bring in more profit, even though the China rare earth element deal is more stable. He gets a tentative approval, but he’ll have to get it passed by the finance and risk analysis teams.
Dong-shik explains to Geu-rae that Chief Oh tends to choose more difficult projects because he believes that anyone else can complete the easier ones. It brings out his passionate and competitive side, but Dong-shik wishes that he would play it safe sometimes, especially with so many people ready to watch him fall.
Sung-joon flings all the proposals rejected by the finance committee at Young-yi, telling her to do her best to fix them and get them approved. He adds that if she does well enough, she could be included in their next business operation. Hearing this, she gets right to work.
Geu-rae overhears a conversation between Sung-joon and his coworker talking about how it will be impossible to get approval from the finance committee — all of Young-yi’s work will be for naught. He purposefully didn’t give her the feedback from the finance committee to put her at even more of a disadvantage.
Chief Oh catches Geu-rae staring at hardworking Young-yi and warns him not to intervene. “If you want to protect someone, you need to have the skill set first. There’s no greater nuisance than intervening without the skills to help.”
Geu-rae then asks about the finance committee, and Chief Oh explains that the difficulty is mainly due to the meticulous and tenacious manager. “Even if you have a good record, you won’t get past her easily. You have to be thoroughly ready to confront her with your proposal, or else you get shattered to pieces. But I find her work ethic surprisingly sexy.”
Cue: Seok-yul walking down the hallway with his pervert radar on high alert. He follows a woman with an attractive figure down the hall and taps on her shoulder, only to get an unexpected face of an ajumma. His wide smile quickly turns into a frown, and he’s later told that she’s the finance manager, known to look like a traditional mask but is a reasonable and open person.
As usual, Baek-ki has little to do, and his frustrations are at their breaking point when Geu-rae takes orders from his superior, Kang Hae-joon. Baek-ki confronts him about not having work to do and asks why he’s being treated this way. Hae-joon notes that Baek-ki likes and attention and answers his question, saying that he doesn’t think that Baek-ki is fully trained yet. Baek-ki’s persistence finally wins him a task, but he’s disappointed when he sees that it’s a simple Excel job.
He gets up to go out for some air and is met with Young-yi. Outside, she hands him the rejected proposals from the resource team and asks if he’s seen them before. He recognizes the proposals on the carbon emissions and gives his take on why she was given this task. He advises that she give up and ask for help, as that’s what the resource team probably wants from her. But he realizes that she’s not one to give in and tells her that the proposals were rejected by the finance manager, so she’s her best bet to getting this through.
Young-yi notices that the clouds are rolling in and wonders aloud if it’ll just be a passing rain. After a moment of silence, Baek-ki takes this opportunity to ask her to get drinks after work. She’s a little surprised, but Baek-ki clarifies it to be a casual after-work drink between colleagues.
Sales Team 3 is busy at work, with calls coming in one after the other. Geu-rae’s series of work-related calls is interrupted by a call from Seok-yul, who suggests that they go out for drinks. He strolls into their workspace but gets completely ignored. Not one to be intimidated by the unfriendly welcome, Seok-yul asks Chief Oh for permission to take Geu-rae out for drinks with their intern class. Chief Oh surprisingly approves, so Seok-yul continues his round of calls to Baek-ki.
Baek-ki initially rejects Seok-yul’s offer, but the pairs end up at the same restaurant, initiating their first group bonding. Seok-yul expertly prepares drinks as he blabs on about how Young-yi should have come to him for advice. Geu-rae suggests that she talk to the finance manager directly, but Baek-ki disagrees.
Talking from experience, Seok-yul says that it’s hard to approach the finance manager because her front and back appearances are (literally) very different, but he admits that his superior told him that she’s an open and reasonable person. Baek-ki interjects and disdains Geu-rae for not understanding the formalities established in the corporate world.
After some thought, Young-yi decides to just go for it and approach the finance manager directly. She shrugs optimistically, and the three of them, excluding Baek-ki, drink to her decision.
But when Young-yi approaches the finance manager, she’s immediately told to leave. Keeping a smile on her face, the finance manager tells her that it’s inappropriate to disrespect the hierarchy within the company and come directly to her.
Back at her desk, Young-yi cringes at the comments and disapproving looks from her team. To top it off, she gets an “I told you so” message from Baek-ki. Not one to back away, she sends the finance manager a message to apologize and explain her situation, which grants her permission to come to her office. There, Young-yi is given the task of analyzing the resource team’s proposal and resubmitting a written report due the next morning.
While everyone else is still busy at work, Baek-ki gets ready to leave. He follows Young-yi into the break room and expresses his embarrassment over leaving work early while others have all-nighters awaiting them. He also hands her ointment for her paper cut, knowing that she won’t have the time to worry about it herself. Aww.
Both Young-yi and Geu-rae are in the same boat, with workloads that require them to stay at work overnight. Young-yi eats her instant ramen, washes up, puts on the ointment, and gets back to work. The two busily flip through papers all night, until Young-yi suggests that they take a break.
On the rooftop, Geu-rae apologizes for giving his inexperienced advice for her problems, but Young-yi stays optimistic, saying that she needed to give it a shot for anything to happen. She wonders how Chief Oh plans on getting his proposal approved, and Geu-rae tells her that he’s just going to be persistent. “He’ll keep trying by looking at the issue from the perspective of the other person and make things work. That’s one of Chief Oh’s unique strengths.”
Young-yi lets that comment sit and stares at Geu-rae. Then she tells him, “I think your team is a really good one.” Geu-rae smiles in acknowledgement. Back at her desk, she thinks back to Geu-rae’s comment on Chief Oh’s determination to make things work and concludes her night of work.
The next morning, Young-yi apologizes to the finance manager because in attempting to see the proposal from the finance team’s perspective, she saw its flaws. She tells her that she couldn’t fix the problem, but she did have some realizations — that phrases could be interpreted differently by the different departments and most importantly that a mechanism exists to execute a business budget. “The next time my proposal gets rejected, I will consider what more I could do to satisfy the finance committee’s requirements rather than thinking about what I did wrong.”
The finance manager is pleased with her response and tells her that she’ll think of an appropriate punishment for not completing a report. Before Young-yi leaves, the manager asks what she studied — politics and foreign policy — and recommends that she finish learning accounting soon, as it’s the language of management and business. She’s clearly impressed.
Baek-ki turns in his Excel spreadsheet upon request, but he’s immediately scolded for incompletion. He didn’t follow the basic structure required, so he’s told that if he wants to work for a different company that uses his version of data processing, he can leave whenever he wants. Oof.
Geu-rae and Dong-shik are on a tight schedule of meetings, so they’re forced to quickly scan their proposal without enough attention. When Geu-rae arrives back at the office for the meeting with the manager, Chief Oh doesn’t have time to check the files before the meeting and assumes that everything will be correct. But Geu-rae stops him and recommends that he look through the files if he has any small doubts about it. Chief Oh takes his advice and pushes back the meeting to take a last look.
They don’t find anything wrong, and Geu-rae apologizes for wasting time. But Chief Oh appreciates his caution and tells him that the most dangerous aspect of business is being too rash. Dong-shik arrives just in time for the meeting, but just before they head off, Geu-rae picks up a call from an Iranian correspondent who reports an embargo — a critical blow to their proposal.
At the meeting, the team’s proposal is disregarded and terminated because of the embargo, but Chief Oh argues that it’s still possible. Thinking on his feet, he states that they can conduct the deal through Turkey, where they have a long history of successful business. The risk analysis manager nods in approval, and the manager ultimately gives them approval.
The team goes out for drinks afterwards as they wait for final approval, and Chief Oh notices Dong-shik’s worried face. He’s concerned about the other grade-A project in China that was basically set up by their manager, but Chief Oh doesn’t seem worried. He orders pig and sets up a mini ritual to grant them luck for this business project. His phone rings, and as feared, their proposal is flatly rejected. Dong-shik grabs the researched documents before Chief Oh can throw them out and hands them to Geu-rae for safekeeping.
Chief Oh arrives home thoroughly drunk, and Geu-rae sits silently in his room thinking about how his boss is taking this blow. Looking through his boss’s notes and newspaper snippets on the Iranian petroleum imports, Geu-rae wonders if Chief Oh felt the same way he did when he collected notes and newspaper sections for baduk.
The next morning at work, everything is back to normal, and the China sales project is in full swing under Chief Oh. Geu-rae takes a moment to appreciate his new box under his desk, which holds Chief Oh’s notes on the failed project. He hopes to learn more as the box fills up.
In their meeting for the new project, Dong-shik notes how the economic situation in China has changed since the drafting of this proposal — China has significantly increased their stock for exporters. Chief Oh reports the discrepancies and risks with the project, namely how little the profit will be, but the manager takes his criticisms personally. He thinks that Chief Oh is acting up because his Iran proposal got rejected.
Chief Oh gives in and decides to go forward with the China project. Dong-shik argues that the situation has changed drastically, as all the reports show the end of China’s super-cycle, but Chief Oh knows that he has to stick with this project. It was assigned by their manager, and his name is attached to it. So the team decides to take responsibility and tackle this case for the sake of their sales manager.
While Chief Oh and Dong-shik are off on their breaks, Geu-rae continues to work with new motivation. The sales manager drops by, and after reading through the current conditions of China’s economic state, he calls Chief Oh to discuss the situation. Unwilling to take the blame, he orders Chief Oh to take his name off of the report and tells him to do his best with the deal.
It becomes clearer that the sales manager is trying to wipe his hands clean when Chief Oh’s colleague comments on his incompetence with the business deal. He was told by the sales manager that Chief Oh has been causing complications by not following directions.
This gives Chief Oh new drive, and he tells Dong-shik that they have to succeed with this business deal. Dong-shik and Geu-rae go out to research the components and suppliers of the deal, and they’re told that unlawful exports are more likely than lawful ones, making this some risky business.
As they continue to their next stop, Geu-rae asks about Sales Manager Kim. Dong-shik describes him as a full salaryman: “Without a salary and a promotion, he would be nothing.” Geu-rae asks if that’s the case for Dong-shik as well, and he replies saying that he hasn’t found anything else yet.
Young-yi catches an elevator, only to be met with Sung-joon leaving it. He calls her out for blocking his way, but luckily Chief Oh is there to execute his signature tripping move. He insincerely apologizes to Sung-joon and recommends the stairs before riding the elevator with Young-yi to the rooftop.
Trying to start up a casual conversation with Young-yi, Chief Oh asks where she learned to speak Russian. She replies that she learned to speak in college, and Chief Oh says that he’s always loved Russia. He starts speaking and singing passionately about a Russian movie, which Young-yi corrects as an American one. He apologizes for speaking impulsively and sticking some random facts together. Then, she asks about his current problems with the China business deal and says that he’ll find a solution — it’s always darkest right underneath the lamp base (an idiom meaning that we usually overlook things that are right in front of us).
That triggers a thought in Chief Oh, and he runs off to continue his thought process. Young-yi thinks back to Chief Oh’s comment about sticking random things together, and she also rushes back to her desk with a solution to her problems.
Sales Manager Kim asks if Chief Oh has found anything, so he reports that North Korea can be their source for the rare earth element exports with no problems with supply and demand. That’s enough to get Sales Team 3 back into the game, and a meeting is scheduled for the approval of their business proposal. Chief Go of Sales Team 2 gets anxious that his project won’t be chosen, so he asks a favor from the deputy chief to convince Sales Manager Kim to change his mind.
Time for the meeting. The trio from Sales Team 3 strut through the hallways and into Geu-rae’s first official meeting. He notices how all the company’s resources and connections are being used as he takes minutes. After the meeting, Dong-shik notices the deputy chief approaching Sales Manager Kim and offering to buy dinner.
This troubles Dong-shik, and he tells Chief Oh that it’s not fair that Sales Team 2 is playing dirty. He wants Chief Oh to receive his well-deserved promotion, but Chief Oh seems immune to these politics. Geu-rae notices Chief Go of Sales Team 2 yelling at his workers and thinks back to Dong-shik’s revelation about the life of a salaryman. “There’s no everyday life that’s easy.”
Baek-ki submits his revised spreadsheet onto Hae-joon’s desk, and he takes a peek at his work. It’s close to perfection, and Seok-yul sneaks in from behind to acknowledge this fact. Baek-ki seems annoyed by his presence, but Seok-yul sticks around to suggest they go out for drinks.
Young-yi finishes her presentation for the finance committee by finding a way to attach resources in Russia, and Sung-joon notices the document during her brief leave. He looks through it, annoyed that she actually pulled this off. It’s good enough for them to include in their next proposal to the finance committee.
When Young-yi returns, she finds the proposal on her boss’s desk. She’s visibly relieved and happy with this, and Geu-rae is behind her to ask if everything turned out well.
Sales Manager Kim refuses to take Chief Go’s incessant requests to reconsider his projects and calls Chief Oh to the dinner. Sales Team 3 arrives, and they’re told the final decision: Sales Team 2’s deal first, and then Sales Team 3. Dong-shik and Chief Oh swallow their disappointment as they yield to the overly enthusiastic Chief Go.
The executive director opens the door to their dinner room after recognizing some voices and greets his employees. He notices the folder with the rare earth elements business proposal, and tells the sales teams that this is a project already taken on by the resource team. He seems to force a confirmation from Manager Ma, and he tells Sales Manager Kim that the resource team will be taking (stealing) this project.
He adds that the sales teams should look for projects at their level instead of looking elsewhere. He says that he’ll be paying for the dinner and walks off with the resource team. Sales Manager Kim is frozen in place and leaves in disappointment. Sales Team 3 is left to eat dinner together in silence.
Geu-rae: “We ate without saying a word. We were overwhelmed with hunger and needed to fill that void. It was the day I learned why it was necessary to be drunk. I’m sorry for being a useless newbie in this situation.” A tear falls, and Geu-rae quickly swipes it away.
We get a quick look at Seok-yul and Baek-ki out for drinks, the latter eventually passing out. Chief Oh walks down the streets, drunk in his sorrows. When he arrives home, he needs to throw up but has difficulty opening the door. His wife lets him in, and he rushes to the bathroom to empty his system.
His wife complains that he always comes back from work drunk, and he asks her if she knows the real taste of alcohol. She storms off in frustration, and then he turns to us:
“Do you all know the taste? Do you?”
COMMENTS
After what you’ve been through, Chief Oh, I probably don’t know that taste you speak of. This show does a great job of inserting little bright moments amidst the darkness, but what a depressing episode for our Sales Team 3. It was great to see the team come together, but they only came together briefly to be turned down by their superiors. Sometimes, hard work is for nothing, and you can see how disheartening it is for Geu-rae to see his superhero, his super salaryman, be put down by forces out of his control. And because I’ve seen Chief Oh as the crazy and irreverent man in the office, it’s hard to see him be so powerless. This is the man who regularly yells and screams his opinions, but he’s silenced by not only external forces but also internal ones — he’s more than just a salaryman.
The show made an interesting commentary on what it means to be a salaryman — that without promotion and a salary, you’re nothing. You can see how that holds true for many of the workers in the office because they would do anything to keep their jobs and be promoted. But that’s not the case for Chief Oh. He approaches his salaryman life with an unnecessary passion, loyalty, and sincerity. I call it unnecessary because these aren’t traits that help you in the corporate world (Baek-ki would tell you). He’s willing to sacrifice and protect different aspects of his pride to remain loyal to his team and himself. When he wants to make something happen, he knows to place himself in the other person’s shoes to allow for the element of compromise. That’s something that I’ve admired alongside Geu-rae — that he can find compromise without compromising his ethics.
Baek-ki is a little bit of a different story, though I wouldn’t say that he’s in the wrong. He knows how the workplace works, and although he is condescending, he usually is right. I don’t think he’s mean for the sake of being cruel, but he definitely knows how to belittle someone — Geu-rae — to silence. Out of all the newbies, Baek-ki was the most fit for corporate life, as he seemed the savviest in this environment. He dreams of being that complete salaryman, but he’s too smart to be satisfied with just a salary and a promotion. So I find it extremely refreshing to see his ego being checked by a dismissive superior who could care less about his skills relative to the other newbies — he’s still not good enough. I’m sure he’ll learn his lesson under his hardass superior, but I wonder what he’ll have to do to earn respect under this guy. Baek-ki’s a great contrast to the rest of the newbies, as he’s the closest to being the antagonist of the group, and I’m loving the hints of bromance coming our way.
Young-yi is a strong and resilient superstar. She’s making lemonade out of lemons, being the adaptable one in the workplace. She’s not the boisterous type, but she’s still outspoken. She’s not afraid to voice her opinions and reply to an intimidating team of sexist males. I love that she speaks her mind while maintaining that fine balance of respect in the workplace, and you can see how much potential she has. The finance manager knows potential when she sees it. It was great to see Sung-joon’s smug smile being swiped off of his face when Young-yi succeeded with her proposal, and I’m sure there will much more of that to come. You go, girl.
Her relationship with Chief Oh is somewhat similar to Geu-rae’s relationship with him, which makes sense, given how similar Young-yi and Geu-rae are. They both have backbones but could definitely use a few pointers to be less trampled on. I love how Chief Oh serves as a mentor/Yoda figure/super salaryman for both of them, swooping in to save the day. He’s got to be around to take care of these kids, so hopefully he doesn’t work himself too hard to become his own kryptonite.
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1 Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 8:20 AM
My favourite episode so far. Less spectacular in terms of dramatic composition compared to recent episodes, but cohesive, touching and well-paced, with still some well-timed and effortlessly funky bits like the Sales-3-slo-mo walk or the final breaking of the 4th wall.
The four newbie situations are well established now:
Geu-rae is the only one who already became an integral member of his own team, too bad his team is constantly getting the short straws.
Baek-ki's team is competent, successful and good-natured, too bad he isn't part of that team.
Young-yi is the ace, never loses her cool, has Baek-ki, Geu-rae and Manager Oh unpatronisingly looking out for her, is part of an aspiring team. Too bad her team is a bunch of misogynist who fear that she might actually be competent.
Seok-yul seems to be the lucky guy due to his non-monogamous view of department affiliation.
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Aigoooo
November 10, 2014 at 8:40 AM
Beak Ki is just chomping at the bit to make a significant mark in his department. He is a very ambitious fellow and he feels that his superior is holding him back with all the menial tasks he gives him.
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Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 8:49 AM
True. Where Seok-yul overcomes obstacles with shamelessness, Young-yi and Geu-rae tackle theirs with very different flavours of determination, Baek-ki has ambition, but he's not well matched with his team that way. It doesn't help that his team leaders has a very inefficient way of trying to "help" Baek-ki to adjust to his team (team leaders with bad managing skills seem to be corporate identity here).
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TS
November 10, 2014 at 9:43 AM
This team was a bad match for Baek-ki. The manager sucks too. I can see the manager dislikes things about Baek-ki, but if he doesn't like something, he should say so and get it fixed. Or, he can ask for Baek-ki to be assigned elsewhere.
What I can't understand is not utilizing someone who's been hired for your team. Get them involved, give them appropriate work, and if they don't match up after three months, ask they be transferred. But don't stay silent without constructive criticism.
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annie
November 10, 2014 at 8:49 AM
Beak-ki's problem is that he doesn't know how to listen to others. He's so certain that he's always right/is the best at everything that he's unable to learn anything from someone who thinks differently from him, whether they are right or wrong (as seen in the situation with the meek manager they followed for OJT). His manager's methods are perhaps too extreme, but I can see where he's coming from. Baek-ki's attitude wont take him far in a hierarchical organization like OI, or even in life. As Geu-rae also had to learn in the beginning, life is not lived alone.
It took me some time to see it, but this is the commonality between BK and GR even though they are opposites in almost everything else - they're both solitary people and not used to getiing along with others. Although GR is improving by leaps and bounds :)
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Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 9:10 AM
I wouldn't say that he doesn't listen to others per se, he just keeps missing the point here. He seemed to have a good understanding with the resource team as an intern, and I think he is actually better in understanding cooperate hierarchy than Geu-rae - just look at the discussion when the Band of 4 is having their dinner and discuss Young-yi's situation. Baek-ki is not wrong there, Geu-rae is a bit naive in his proposal, and it's both Young-yi's pluck and luck that she actually pulls it off somehow.
There's actually nothing wrong with teaching your newbie about your team philosophy directly. Most successful companies (in the western world?) do exactly that.
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TS
November 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM
It would help if the manager actually spoke up about what was wrong and involved Baek-ki more. Plus, even if Baek-ki isn't actively doing anything, he should be at meetings taking notes and reviewing documents to learn the business. This manager is just leaving him alone entirely.
annie
November 10, 2014 at 10:03 AM
I see your point, but I mean listen in the sense of actually understanding what the other person is saying, not just hearing their words.
And yes, he understands the rules of hierarchy, but he often misses the human element in the equation, which can often be the biggest and most surprising variable of all. Geu-rae on the other hand can be a bit naive, but he's pretty good at reading people.
I agree though, the manager is frustrating. It would be more logical and efficient for him to just tell Baek-ki what he wants from him.
Aigoooo
November 10, 2014 at 12:09 PM
They are both at fault I think. The manager wants him to take baby steps and he wants to hit the ground running. I think it's telling when he complained to his manager that Geu Rae's name is already on some of the proposals submitted by Sales Team 3 while he hasn't gotten to that level yet.
Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 2:59 PM
I actually like that Baek-ki tries to be honest and relatively open about his disappointment. In some western companies I know, that would immediately lead to some improvements, either by making clear what his manager actually expects from him, or by giving him the option to switch to a different team. Of course, Baek-ki is in no position to be arrogant and ignorant of his team's philosophy, but someone could tell him what the problem is and how to solve it.
Instead, the team leader decides that Baek-ki's frustration is a good indicator that frustrating him even more will solve the problem.
AJK
November 10, 2014 at 10:14 AM
While I loved this episode, I do wish the Baek-ki situation were a bit more realistic -- this company seems to be a Korean version of a Fortune 500 where everyone is overworked and stressed, and people in his department should be competing to use him as a resource for menial (but not make-work) tasks even if they don't want to entrust anything meaningful to him. What I do like about his storyline is how realistic his character is -- he has "the right look" for a corporate environment, he has a very hierarchical and rule-bound view of office life, was obviously extremely successful in the hierarchical and rule-bound academic environment he came from, but is afraid to rock any boats -- his risk-reward calculus makes him better in theory than in practice.
A few years ago I hired a Baek Ki (smart, graduate of a well-known urban university, very button-down, a very hard worker) and a Geu-rae (very smart as well, but from a small academically rigorous school in the middle of nowhere, a little overweight and with a stuttering problem that made it sometimes hard to get his ideas across). Even so, on the day my team presented for the first time to the leadership panel, his was the strongest presentation in my group, stutter and all. He completely charmed the senior management team by his enthusiasm about the project he was working on (which was pretty innovative I have to say). After two years my Baek Ki breathed a sigh of relief and escaped back to graduate school and thence to a tech lab I think, while my Geu-Rae was being wooed away by Apple.
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jandoe
November 11, 2014 at 11:03 AM
I love your RL insights and experience with a Baek-ki and a Geu Rae, thanks for sharing AJK!! :) I think of myself more like Jeu Rae (don't we all haha) so it's nice to know there's still hope for the lot of us who are genuine but not as have-it-down-pat-about-this-world like Baek-ki.
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alua
November 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM
I love them all. It's such a diverse group of character, everyone so much a their own, distinct person. I love the fact that Geu-rae is such an integral part of his team (oh, episode 8 was delightful on the brotherhood they've got going there), especially if we recall the first and second episode, when everyone just rejected him so much and gave him no chance. And now... there's no way they could do without him, even if it's in fact only tiny little things he does. Love Mr. Oh but also Dong-sik is wonderful. It's a smaller role he's got, but it still feels well-defined, like you get a real sense of what kind of person he is too.
Seok-yul just cracks me up big time, with shameless and self-confident approach to inserting himself in the middle of everything. Young-yi... can we please have more female characters like this in k-dramas instead of all those damsels in distress and candies and females that just serve as an accessory for the male hero? Baek-ki is still too full of himself, but he'll get there... and he'll become buddies with the rest of the newbies – Seok-yul managed to drag him out for drinks already after all.
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kikidee
November 10, 2014 at 6:46 PM
I'm trying to think if this is the first time I've seen an example of breaking the 4th wall in kdrama. Was that a first or is there another example?
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2 krauser
November 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM
Thanks for the recap!
Too bad tvN will not be having their awards ceremony because Lee Sung-min just nails his role as Chief Oh! His drunk scene is so visceral and also in the next episode. I just wanna give him all the awards.
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3 Herlene
November 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM
So, is this why Geu-rae ended up in Turkey in the very first episode?
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Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 8:38 AM
Because this episode focussed relatively strongly on the three nominal lead characters, and because I read a lot of praise for the acting in Misaeng, I started to think. First, I didn't expect it to be good, and second, I'm still not sure it really IS that good.
My expectations for Misaeng in the acting department weren't huge, I have to confess. The line-up of Siwan, Lee Sung-min and Kang So-ra didn't sound very promising to me, especially for a show based on the alleged low-key somewhat realistic slice-of-live webtoon.
Siwan is not the worst idol actor around, but the bits I had seen in recent years were still far from lead actor material. I've never seen Lee Sung-min in anything but theatrical over-the-top roles (and he does them really well), raising the question how he was going to fit into a more central role in a low-key drama. For Kang So-ra, I think I saw her as a defrosting ice-queen in some SBS soap and as a similar somewhat emotionally repressed yet bitchy character early on in that wrecked "Doctor Stranger". Solid performances, no doubt, but in a very narrow niche, on an archetype that doesn't fit into
Misaeng.
And yet, somehow this show makes the cast work out really well. Geu-rae's slow and monotone reactions go nicely with the character premise and the tone of the drama, and even when he is in "office performance mode", the littlenerdy stiffness that Siwan gives him actually helps the character protrayal. Of course, him being the main PoV-character, there is a huge amount of internalmonologue voice-over to expose the specifics.
Lee Sung-min uses his usual acting method with Manager Oh, but somehow it's not only not bothering me, it allows him to be the tragicomical hero of the
story (with Geu-rae as his mascot).
Young-yi is not really the female lead character and so far required much more subtlety than variability (though it's expanding a lot in this episode) by Kang So-ra, who seems to excel in conjugating suppressed irritation and
frustration. I never noticed before that her posture acting is good, btw., a rare skill among K-drama actresses.
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Aigoooo
November 10, 2014 at 8:48 AM
I feel that Lee Sung Min is the best character actor I have ever seen in Korea or anywhere else for that matter. His characters have always been memorable to me.
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Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 8:51 AM
Well, I agree that they are memorable, but I think that for the majority of characters, his acting would be waay to stagy.
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AJK
November 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM
I love him too -- in this, in Miss Korea (I completely fell for him in that one) and King 2 Hearts. He is like a Korean Michael Caine. The stagiest actor I've seen in a Korean or any drama is the guy who played Geum Jan-di's dad in Boys over Flowers. Ugh.
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mariassi
November 21, 2014 at 10:43 PM
I've been thinking about that since the beginning of Misaeng! He's just so great.
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capricorn
November 11, 2014 at 11:19 AM
I am impressed and blown away by sungmin's Mr. Oh...he makes the drama for me.
The other are fine in their roles.
I don't think GeuRae is a challenging role, but siwan is perfectly cast in this.
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Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 8:39 AM
Sorry, wrong thread point above.
I think he was in Jordan, not in Turkey ...
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4 Aigoooo
November 10, 2014 at 8:34 AM
I am guessing there is a law in Korea that forbids the showing of a lit cigarette on TV. lol
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annie
November 10, 2014 at 8:44 AM
Haha. Pretty sure it can be lit (see the restaurant scene when they were waiting to hear about the item) but it can't be in someone's mouth.
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Aigoooo
November 10, 2014 at 8:54 AM
Well, I commend them for at least trying to be realistic about Koreans and smoking. I read that Korea has a lot of smokers.
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annie
November 10, 2014 at 9:47 AM
Yeah, they've been pretty creative with inserting the moments right before/leading up to smoking, so it gives us an idea of how common smoking realistically is, rather than the artificially sanitized reality we see on the major networks most of the time.
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5 RockPaperScissors
November 10, 2014 at 8:38 AM
Love, Love, Love this drama.
It's been a couple decades since I've worked in the backstabbing corporate world, but this show nails it. If you still haven't seen this one, and want a perfect drama showcasing imperfect characters, RUN to your TV, laptop or tablet and join us for one of the best.
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6 annie
November 10, 2014 at 8:39 AM
Thanks for the recap! Excellent commentary.
Once again a brilliantly brutal episode. It was hard to watch at times. This show regularly punches the viewer in the gut, but here we are, back for more abuse lol.
I agree that Young-yi is just awesome. I'm loving Kang Sora portrayal of her quiet determination and her dignity and bravery under all the abuse she faces at work.
I am a little concerned at the way drinking your self into near-oblivion is portrayed as an appropriate way to respond to the pressures faced at work. It's realistic, yes, but it still worries me. Because all these characters are real people to me at this point and I don't want them to seriously hurt their health. Especially Cheif Oh, the man seems like a walking time bomb. He always seems to seconds away from breaking down completely. I feel like I'M the one who's getting an ulcer from all the stress.
I really love how much Sales Team 3 has bonded. They're totally one unit now. YY is right, it is a great team. Chief Oh and his ducklings <3
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annie
November 10, 2014 at 8:40 AM
Ugh, so many typos, sorry! I'm not feeling well today, please forgive.
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Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 9:00 AM
Spot on.
About drinking: I did community service in a nursing home with a lot of Korsakoff's syndrome patients, men and women in their 50s and 60s, who had been working in a big company, drinking heavily every day after work to cope with the stress. That definitely cured me from any kind of work-induced alcoholism.
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annie
November 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM
I had to google that disease, it sounds horrible. :( I can see why it had such an impact on you.
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Alex
November 10, 2014 at 9:00 AM
Sang Sik's drinking problem is portrayed because of how it resonates strongly with Korean people. So it's actually not just something that was created for the sake of one character, but to relate to a broader issue in society. Due to Koreans' work-aholic nature and their drinking culture, this is a prevalent issue.
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annie
November 10, 2014 at 9:57 AM
Yeah, I know it's a common way that Korean office workers deal with stress... but that doesn't make it easy to watch. I do hope that they address this in the story at some point rather than just treating it as a necessary evil/a viable coping strategy. One of the things that's so great about the buzz Misaeng is getting is that it gives the show an opportunity to create (even a little) social change. Not just in terms of the issue of drinking, but other aspects of corporate culture as well. I definitely hate preachy shows, but I love a show that depicts the reality of social problems in a way that influences broad cultural change or at least discussion (in the way of movies like Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing). How awesome would it be if Misaeng became a story like that?
Even if it doesn't though, I'll love it anyway. :)
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capricorn
November 11, 2014 at 11:21 AM
nothing will change because of this drama...but it's good fodder for conversation
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harmonyfb
November 11, 2014 at 8:16 AM
I am a little concerned at the way drinking your self into near-oblivion is portrayed as an appropriate way to respond to the pressures faced at work.
I actually perceive the portrayal as showing that it's an inappropriate response - everyone around Chief Oh is concerned about his health (which is clearly deteriorating), his marriage is suffering, and all the younger employees make 'holy cow' side-eyes at the heavy drinking (note Young-yi talking about hiding empty shot glasses in your pocket so it looks like you're drinking when you're not.)
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thursdaynexxt
November 12, 2014 at 12:25 AM
Re Young-yi's Party Survival Tips - it makes me even more curious to see what her backstory is! How does she know these things?
And I'm with you about the show depicting Chief Oh as a prime example of a walking health hazard!
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thursdaynexxt
November 12, 2014 at 12:16 AM
Unfortunately (and incredibly), the drinking to excess with colleagues after work or to "entertain" clients is still a very prevalent reality in both Korea and Japan (can't speak for other Asian countries). It's really not uncommon to see people passed out on the platform or comatose on the train.
I think the concept of a "work-family" balance seems to be catching on very slowly (and good on dramas that highlight this issue!) but there's a huge gap between what looks good on paper, and the situations salarymen/women actually face every day in the office!
I was really worried about Chief Oh when ... oh wait, that's Ep 8. Suffice to say that the drinking gets worse!
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7 PeepsLeAwesomePotato
November 10, 2014 at 9:06 AM
Honestly, I was kind of irked by Manager Oh's wife a liiiiiiiiitle bit. Manager Oh drinks so much... because he doesn't have an outlet. I see him bottle all his frustrations inside all the time and I'm very surprised that he hasn't burst yet, seeing how he's such a passionate, "optimistic" guy who's constantly blocked on all fronts.
My dad is a salary guy and he comes home every night and yaks about his work day, his work problems, and basically complains about everything and anything. And my mom is just there going "Yep. Yep. Yep..." But nowadays, I get a lift home from him, so now I'm the one he yaks at and I'm the one going "yep, yep, yep." LOL. But at least my dad's no alcoholic/drunk/stress-motivated-smoker.
I understand how Manager Oh's wife must be feeling - tired and it being late at night... and of course, she's frustrated that he a raging drunk but has she tried to understand him and help him overcome it? I mean, she must know how bad working can be, given that SHE quit her job because it was too difficult to work and take care of kids.
Sometimes people just need to vomit it out. I'd rather Manager Oh vomit it out through words.
(And honestly, I learn SO much from my dad's daily tales. It's like added on experience - learning from other people's experience because you don't have time to experience them all yourself. There are so many ways things and go wrong and so many ways to fix things. Although, of course, sometimes it gets boring and I'm like "yup..." -_-)
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annie
November 10, 2014 at 10:10 AM
But he never tells her anything. I'm sure she'd be willing to listen if he actually came home after work and talked to her about his problems. Instead he comes home in the wee hours drunk off his mind and puking. What is she supposed to do in that situation? I love Chief Oh so much it's probably hazardous to my health, but he has this tendency to cover up his problems with (sometimes manic) laughter and jokes that I can see would be frustrating from his wife's perspective. And he also seems to feel some kind of shame in front of his family for his failures/masculine pride that doesn't let him admit his weakness in front of his family, as seen with the family photo he keeps face down on his desk.
Of course we understand and feel bad for him because we just saw the humiliation and disappointment he faced all day, but she just sees him as being absent until late and drunk and obnoxious when he finally shows up. And not spending any time with his kids on the weekends because he's (understandably) exhausted from the week.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
November 10, 2014 at 3:40 PM
I know, and I understand completely. That's why I said I was just a liiiiiiiiiiiiitle bit irked by her. I didn't mean that Oh SangShik should be absolved from blame. He's a grown man. He should be able to control himself.
But the thing is, if you see a problem in your partner, shouldn't you try to help him, whatever it takes? I don't care if she smacks him awake during the weekends to go out or whatever. I just hope she makes him spill all his frustration and bitterness, in words.
Just because it's hard doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. And I'm saying that she should be doing this because I feel like she's one of the very few he can open up and be vulnerable with. She's his wife!
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AJK
November 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM
His wife doesn't really have an outlet either -- who does she get to talk to about problems with the kids? He's not home. When he gets home, he's either drunk or exhausted or both. I didn't see him ask about her day or the kids. She's been working all day as well, parenting three boys isn't a walk in the park, and she doesn't really have the option of using drink as her escape.
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Adal
November 10, 2014 at 1:02 PM
Good points. This show is doing a marvelous job highlighting the problems working families face in Korea. As one commenter pointed out, kdramas as a whole seem to have a problem showing a guy smoking on tv but no problem showing guys get drunk as a skunk and puking their guts out. Why more people don't have cirrhosis of the liver beats me. There really should be a cultural shift addressing this issue. Employees should be encouraged to go home after work, and not to the closest bar or Kareokee entertainment. And what would they do with all that excess alcohol? Turn it into fuel to power hybrid machines, for instance.
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Ann
November 10, 2014 at 1:10 PM
Amen to that! While she is fussing, she is still taking care of him. She gets no time off and he at least gets Sunday as well as getting to blow off steam with his co-workers.
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PeepsLeAwesomePotato
November 10, 2014 at 3:54 PM
His wife doesn't have an outlet either Eh, that'll usually be other mom's.
I agree with you that Oh is not being considerate but that is not an excuse to not help your partner.
Honestly, I agree that raising three kids is no easy feat but I disagree that she has no time for herself at all. She ha s it- when the kids go to sleep, when they're at school etc etc. Perhaps she doesn't have a lot of time but she certainly has more time than ShangShik and so, has a greater ability to help him.
The best thing is if they're both able to support each other emotionally but at this point, I think SangShik needs more help because he's a mess. And ask wife, she should step up. Marriage is a partnership!
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alua
November 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM
Ehh, just because the kids are at school or asleep, doesn't mean the wife has time to herself. She's in charge of everything in the house and home.
We don't get to see her workday (because, yes, she's doing work too), so it's easier to sympathise with Oh whom we see suffering through all kinds of things and say that he needs help and she has greater ability to help him, but truly we don't know that. To me it looks like that they are both exhausted and need help from each other.
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AJK
November 10, 2014 at 6:08 PM
Peeps -- I guess we'll have to agree to disagree -- the way I see it, he's bringing in the money and she is doing everything else. Also, I don't think that the kids' school/sleep time is usually free time for a stay-at-home parent -- cooking, cleaning, laundry, errands, shopping, etc. are usually not really doable while the kids are home and awake -- wanting to be fed or needing to be bathed, bickering, needing help with homework or comfort after a tough day at middle school, or to be driven to this team sport or that music lesson or yet another doctor/dentist appointment.
She may have other moms -- but they are in pretty much the same boat she is. Meanwhile, he has his drinking buddies much more available to him every day and apparently every night. That's the escape he has chosen, and his time would free up a lot if he was choosing to go home.
As sympathetic as he is, Shangshik probably has next to no knowledge of his wife's workday although it's clear he knows it is a work day and he appreciates what she does. My husband had to stay home alone with the kids for three days once when I had to go out of town -- when I got home he promised that he would NEVER ask what I'd been doing all day if he came home and the house was a mess and there was no dinner on the table. And he never has, not even that week when he got scrambled eggs three times in a week for dinner.
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harmonyfb
November 11, 2014 at 8:27 AM
She ha s it- when the kids go to sleep,
Ahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Oh, Peeps, you're so optimistic.
signed, mother of three
(I've worked in high-stress corporate jobs and been a stay-at-home Mom of 3 kids. The latter is harder than the former, because you're not EVER off the clock. When you're a stay at home mom, you don't leave the office. Your boss often follows you into the bathroom. Your boss often wakes you up puking (or hungry, or scared) in the middle of the night. Your boss often walks behind you, undoing whatever task you just finished. ::twitches:: And when you're sick, or exhausted, or injured, guess what? You don't get a day off. You don't get sick leave. Broken foot & painkillers? Here, have a two year old to wrangle by yourself (personal example). Gave birth two weeks ago? Here, have an older child with a broken bone. Now have another older child with a broken tooth. Don't forget, you only get two hours of sleep at a time! (also personal example.)
As you might guess, my sympathies are entirely with Chief Oh's wife. ::chuckle::
The least her husband can do is not come home puking drunk in the middle of the night.
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thursdaynexxt
November 12, 2014 at 2:07 AM
haha... no personal experience, but I do have girlfriends who tell me they welcome any chance to go to work, since it gives them a break from the kids! And likewise, husbands who say they'd rather work than stay at home with the kids. Must be that whole "on duty 24/7, 365 days" thing!
I think part of the problem is that at this point, Chief Oh and his wife are so busy with their separate lives (and both overworked) that they can't even begin to tell each other about their problems etc. Honestly, from some of the stories I've heard, I think coming home puking drunk may be slightly better than some other things he could get up to...!
8 Joanna
November 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM
Yes, Chief Oh, that bitter taste...
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9 logan5
November 10, 2014 at 10:12 AM
Great show ... I'm still wondering where this show is taking us. It's somewhat episodic and not a tied together story arch ... which is fine with me because it's obvious that the characters are all being well developed and fleshed out.
All I ask for is that at the end of this show, there's a 5 year jump and we see Young-Yi promoted up the ladder and put in charge of her ass clown senior.
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Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 11:50 AM
I agree that there is a certain episodic feel to it, as the episodes have a distinct dramatic composition and often certain specific topics that are elaborated in an episode (or even "character of the week" like the IT guy last episode or the finance manager this time). Which is interesting, as the webtoon is, as far as I can tell, NOT segmented into these substructures.
However, there is a constant (even dedicated) development for the several characters, much more than in almost any other K-drama. I'm not sure about an overall plot arc, but I'm pretty fine with a more character driven overall plot for now.
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10 kdramas
November 10, 2014 at 10:21 AM
LOVE this show sooooo much!!
My heart broke for Sales Team 3 at the end! The background score plus Geu-rae tearing up for the unfairness of it all made me all teary-eyed! This team just gives me the fuzzies!
On an unrelated note: I was super surprised to learn that Siwan is 26 (next month) and is older than both Sora and Ha Neul!! Another thing that cracked me up was that the PD uses CG to dull Siwan's lips' colour, ha!!
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thursdaynexxt
November 12, 2014 at 2:10 AM
heh, I thought I was the only one comparing Geu Rae's lips to Young-yi's!
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Kennedy Rose
November 13, 2014 at 3:59 AM
I've noticed that both Siwan and So Ra have very kissable lips. Almost similiar in fact.. heh.
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11 Adal
November 10, 2014 at 11:13 AM
Chief Oh - I've never loved him more than this episode, and I've never bled for him more. I'm amazed that he can still remain sincere good friends with the manager of sales team 2 who went behind his back to sabotage him because of a promotion. At least his boss knew he lost out on a good thing when Sales team 3's project got stolen by the resource dept.
Love how Chief Oh sticks up for the little guys. Gotta love Young yi for holding her own surrounded by a bunch of jerks. Baek ki's manager doesn't treat him with half the amount of disdain Young yi has to put up with, and he can't even take it. He needs to check his attitude at the door and learn some humility, or quit if he's unhappy. I've no sympathy for him, karma being a bitch and all, he knew how to dish it, to make Geu rae feel small (subtly) in front of their peers, but he can't take it when his immediate boss doesn't think he's a superstar.
Ironically enough, everyone would have been much happier if they'd stayed where they wanted to originally. I believe that both Young yi and Geu Rae would be much better off with Chief Oh, who appreciates talent, doesn't feel threatened by it, and is a great mentor who dispenses with lots of good advice. Baek ki would have been much happier in the Resource dept full of a bunch of misogynistic pigs who think he's a superstar.
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Jon G.
November 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM
Manager Oh is, in chess terms, an aggressive tactical aesthete, someone who isn't interested in the mind-numbing positional play but prefers attractive lookup attack games. Just like in real life, he is fun to watch but loses most of the time against those boring number-crunchers. ("“People who sacrifice beauty for efficiency get what they deserve", in Misaeng, they get promotions.)
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Adal
November 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM
Thanks. That's an interesting tidbit. Chief Oh is certainly more fun to watch doing his job when he was coming up with Turkey as a solution to his company facing the embargo on Iranian petroleum products and North Korea as a solution to the rare earth elements problem his company had. The thing with Chief Oh is that he goes into his job everyday with this problem solving attitude which is genius in itself which is why he doesn't care if he gets promoted when he probably deserves it so much more than those that do get promoted. In other organizations that rewards genius, his out-of-the-box-thinking would most likely earn him the respect of his peers and financial rewards as well.
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Dukdam
November 11, 2014 at 6:41 PM
...an aggressive tactical aesthete, someone who isn’t interested in the mind-numbing positional play but prefers attractive lookup attack games.
*sigh*
He's the Arsenal (Football Club) of the workplace, isn't he?
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12 Dorotka
November 10, 2014 at 11:19 AM
I admit it, I had tears in my eyes when the other team stole the project from them... such is the power of this show. Excellent.
(The side-effect is that I have no interest in or I'm not able to enjoy any other show... the only exception is P&P. Though Pinocchio may change it :--) )
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13 cingdoc
November 10, 2014 at 12:50 PM
Is it mean of me to say " YES!!" ??✊✊ when Chief Oh did his well timed and justified trip-the-ass-of-the-day to YY's mean superior??
SIGH, Team 3 is the Underdog again.... Their hard work was side swiped by Team 2. However,please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Manager Kim himself was also side stepped by HIS superior, the director, who "reassigned"/ stole the resource project to The Resource Team with the added bonus of ridiculing the Sales Department as a whole to pick project that it is more " capable" to handle.
I bet Sales Manager Kim ( deservingly) had his share of bitterness( like the rest of Sales Team 3) that night too .
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PPasun
November 10, 2014 at 1:13 PM
No, it's not mean. I cheered loudly when Oh Gwajangnim made that move. That insufferable daeri superior of Youngyi! Grrrr, I'd like to knock out some teeth from that ugly, sneering mouth.
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annie
November 10, 2014 at 2:05 PM
Not mean at all, that asshat totally deserved it. I love it when Chief Oh stands up for the little guys. <3
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14 CrysTaL
November 10, 2014 at 3:27 PM
Is that how everybody see a Finance Manager....? LOL
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Kennedy Rose
November 13, 2014 at 4:01 AM
I choked on my coffee when SY does his usual pervert thing..sexy lady from the back..but when she turned around..aigoo. I can't help but laughed at SY's face!
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15 Arhazivory
November 10, 2014 at 3:46 PM
When Chief Oh looked at me and asked if *I* know the taste....my heart skipped a beat because of how profound that scene was.
I also teared up in anger and frustration when their project failed and sorry, but I hope that team fails to get it going even though Young Yi is there. Yes...I'm bitter.
I find Baek Ki's boss to be quite handsome. I think I can see what he's trying to teach BK but his methods need some fine tuning.
This show is really too beautiful.
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thursdaynexxt
November 12, 2014 at 1:08 AM
I know, right?!
The camera close-up was cheesy, but it totally rang true for me too. The show balances the line nicely between showing that (1) the excessive, almost daily drinking is expected (but destructive) behaviour, and (2) it's one of the few ways people can de-stress in a "socially acceptable" manner and setting.
Sad truth is, a lot of officeworkers do spend more hours at work than at home, and explaining work problems to your family/spouse can be hard, so people end up going out with co-workers to gripe about the boss/the company, etc.
With the result that they spend even less time at home with the family!
There's a scene in a jdrama - can't quite remember the context - one of the characters asks "do you know the taste of grief?" They were remembering the taste of the first meal they ate, while crying alone, after escaping an abusive domestic relationship. Essentially, it's the bittersweet taste of life and its experiences.
That's what I think Chief Oh is asking - do we know how it feels to go through the routine of petty humiliations that he goes through every day as an officeworker? Do we know the taste of trying to cope with the countless small challenges of pleasing the boss, keeping your job, supporting your family, etc?
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Kennedy Rose
November 13, 2014 at 4:14 AM
i cried for them.. they worked so hard on each item..the iranian oil..the rare earth resources.. GR even pulled an all nighter just to work on the project.. all come to naught just because someone pull in a favour. when they stuffed themselves with the food, and GR tearing up coz he felt useless, i can't help but wanting to hug all three of them.
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16 CaroleMcDonnell
November 10, 2014 at 4:37 PM
Thanks for the recap.
I really do love a good depressing drama. The depression has to be valid though, in a cathartic way. And this drama does it. When one watches it, one feels the hope that comes from seeing camaraderie among folks in a big battle. In some ways, it's as if Team 3 and the newbies are our allies. They make you understand that the world is run by greed, by people with power issues, by organizational structure that one has to fit into. Not that i work in the corporate or teaching world anymore but there is something so healing about seeing this kind of thing in story form. I can see how/why the webtoon was such a pop culture hit.
Dang, the korean business drinking culture is stressing to watch. Drinking for stress, drinking for relaxation. But wow..not good for the kidnesys.
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17 kikidee
November 10, 2014 at 6:11 PM
How can anyone not love a show where the OTP is a young guy and his middle aged, hard drinking, overworked, out of shape, boss. :-)
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18 dramaDee
November 10, 2014 at 7:57 PM
Great episode as usual. I am keen to know more about the relationship between the executive director and chief Oh. They act cordial but seem to hate each other.
Thanks again for the recap:)
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19 panshel
November 10, 2014 at 8:20 PM
Thirty seconds in and I'm already having an aneurysm. How is physical abuse tolerated in this company!? Which episode do we meet the human resources team because I need to file a complaint to get this asshole fired? I literally had to pause the video and calm myself down. Someone please save her! Anyone!
For every one new person I like (Seok Yul, Deputy Director Sun, Baek Ki, Young Gu, finance manager), I dislike at least two more. I bet my life savings Sales Manager Kim only got to his position today by stealing his team members' credit and pointing fingers as soon as the project went awry. Talk about the cutthroat world of corporate. Now I understand why people drown their sorrows in alcohol. There will never be enough alcohol for Sales Team 3.
Who trained in the steel team? Did their trainee twiddle his thumbs the entire day, too? I was waiting for the newbie to say or do something to enlighten Chief Oh but did not expect it to be Young Yi. Even sweeter, he inspired her right back. Let's hope her chief does not steal her idea. Please keep tripping people. It never gets old. His Russian song was awesome.
Thanks for the recap, dramallama!
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alua
November 10, 2014 at 10:58 PM
His Russian song... oh my god. Like the best scene ever. I was laughing out loud. Which I keep doing with this drama. Grinning like a madwoman in certain scenes or laughing – also when Mr Oh and Geu-rae walk back and Geu-rae looks sideways, but Mr Oh automatically turns Geu-rae's had because he doesn't want him looking in that direction.... That's one of those moments that really highlights how close they are (like father & son), somehow! Especially compared to other newbie-immediate superior pairings.
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Jon G.
November 11, 2014 at 1:05 AM
Yep, the "Russian" scene was pure gold. And it was such a brilliant way to tie together their respective character arcs and the episode progression in one hilarious plot node.
Chief Oh has been displaying his jovial attitude towards Young-yi since episode one, but she kept her aloofness intact towards him, until this episode. Chief Oh on the other hand always tried not to compromise Young-yi's position in her own team (e.g. keeping Geu-rae from openly interfering). He dropped that when he tripped the assistant, especially in the context of the B/L betrayal by Young-yi earlier on the show (it doesn't help that Chief Oh basically orders Young-yi to come with him). The facial expressions by all three of them in that scene are fantastic.
Next you know, Young-yi brings Chief Oh a cup of coffee, and, very unlike her usual reactive monosyllabic self, SHE starts to talk to him without restraint. Finally Chief Oh gets rolling and hilarity ensues (which, IMHO, works so remarkably well because of their former rather repressed relationship). And with great hilarity comes great enlightenment, it seems.
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kirsten
November 11, 2014 at 7:07 PM
"also when Mr Oh and Geu-rae walk back and Geu-rae looks sideways, but Mr Oh automatically turns Geu-rae’s had because he doesn’t want him looking in that direction"…
Thanks for mentioning this! That was the "super-hero" moment for me, Chief Oh is a "Super-Hero". and then
he supports the girl by tripping the bad guy...hilarious. Looking forward to more.
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panshel
November 11, 2014 at 9:59 PM
Chief Oh putting the kibosh on Geu Rae's stare down with the resource team was my favorite scene. Did you catch how Im SiWan tried to stifle a laugh when his head was turned? I figure that was an NG (Geu Rae was not supposed to smile), but it made me chuckle. Also, when Dong Shik and Geu Rae were out meeting with clients, did you notice where Geu Rae stepped on the corner of the rug and it flipped up? At first I predicted, "This must be the eureka moment. A thought will trigger in Dong Shik's mind to solve all their problems." But I guess that was just another NG.
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thursdaynexxt
November 12, 2014 at 1:11 AM
My 2 fave moments - the Russian song and the head-swivel!
So cute! Chief Oh is my favourite drama character of 2014!
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Pearl~ai88
November 10, 2014 at 11:07 PM
Indeed, I love his tripping. It just gets funnier every time, especially since I noticed he said almost the exact same words to the jerk manager that he did to Seok Yul when he tripped him before. It's scripted! He's got it down to an art form, LOL!
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Jon G.
November 11, 2014 at 12:33 AM
Well ... (switching into advocatus diaboli mode)
I'd say that tripping someone is a more severe case of physical abuse than throwing a bunch of paper sheets in someone's face.
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Lily
November 11, 2014 at 7:17 AM
Oh yeah, tripping someone is definitely worse than throwing paper sheets in someone's face (because sexist, misogynistic verbal and emotional abuse doesn't count at all). RME.
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20 PPasun
November 11, 2014 at 8:06 AM
So far, Misaeng is, undoubtedly, one of the best dramas of this year. Compared to the past, I feel that K-dramas have tried a lot more new approaches, plot lines, angles etc. this year. You Who Came from the Stars, Jeong Dojeon, New Leaf, Secret Love Affair, Yoona's Street and now Misaeng. I hope they keep it up.
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21 sulthanah
November 11, 2014 at 3:22 PM
My beloved ZE:A's Junyoung aka Moon Leader will say,"That's ZE:A for you."
Siwan ah, keep the good work and spread ZE:A's name widely so Moon will come back proudly.
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Kennedy Rose
November 13, 2014 at 4:09 AM
Moon Leader is working very hard in taking care of the welfare of his brothers. I salute Ze:a's hard work and though they are by no means the most famous idol group around, but they go places! remember how they started with the wing car concerts? how they only have 100,000 won spending money and the boys go hungry and survived only on ramen and bread? now look at them. siwan, i think, is the most 'saleable' of them and this young man certainly has worked hard.. what else can this boy do? singing, dancing, acting, playing the violin, solving those rubik cubes in less than a minute..he's kind of scary..
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22 August
November 11, 2014 at 4:24 PM
Manager Oh, on the rooftop...Thank you for not smoking! I sincerely hope you keep choosing to resist the urge to light up a cigarette.
Long-Term effects of excessive/heavy alcohol drinking are associated with numerous health problems, including but not limited to:
*Chronic diseases such as liver cirrhosis (damage to liver cells); pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas); ulcers and gastritis (inflammation of stomach walls); various cancers, including liver, mouth, throat, larynx (the voice box), and esophagus; high blood pressure, stroke, and other heart-related diseases.
*Alcohol Poisoning
*Malnutrition
*Alcohol abuse or dependence.
*Permanent damage to the brain.
*Psychological disorders
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thursdaynexxt
November 12, 2014 at 1:12 AM
Just to name a few!!
I've got questions about the company staff medical check-ups - but that may tip over into Ep 8.
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23 thursdaynexxt
November 12, 2014 at 1:27 AM
Thanks for another great recap, dramallama! My love for Misaeng just keeps growing.
Re Chief Oh approaching his job with "an unnecessary passion, loyalty, and sincerity" - it's definitely a wasted talent if management doesn't recognise its value (unfortunately, they're often too caught up in the self-absorbed ladder-climbing to stand back, see and appreciate it). But I love how Chief Oh can also be a streetsmart, savvy, wily old fox!
Chief Oh's sales manager Kim is a typical exec, whose promises are fickle as a puff of air: "Did I say that? When did I say that?" Some bosses manage to remember what they went through when they were the newbies, but others just forget all about their past lives and become performance review and promotion-obsessed.
Random: I like that old Jang Nara song they used in the cafe when the newbies went for a drink!
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24 rochinipark
December 10, 2014 at 6:51 AM
It scares me seeing these drama and Korean people in general working life. I do get that most salaryman/woman work similar lives.
I work with a bank in its outsourcing environment and I dont think my worklife is anything like this. We have more balanced work life.But also I think more years I work I just accept people way they are and and not box people and their differences.
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25 SJ
June 1, 2015 at 10:37 AM
I must say, I think what is absolutely Impressive about this show- is how every single comment from watchers here on Dramabeans is like a mini essay! That reflects how AMAZING this show is getting people to think critically and have something to say, and even bring realizations. Such intellectual exchanges are going on. Absolutely wow. Probably this will be one of the shortest comments!
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