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It’s Okay, It’s Love: Episode 7

Every new relationship comes with its own kind of butterflies in one’s stomach feeling, an uplifting effect of attraction that even our lovephobic shrink isn’t exempt from. In fact, it’s nice to watch Hae-soo enjoy spending time with someone she honestly likes, vindictive big bro Jae-bum notwithstanding. It’s the little moments in this hour that highlight what it’s like when you take a leap of faith to be honest about your feelings to another person, and most importantly, yourself.

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EPISODE 7 RECAP

After Jae-bum stabs his brother with a syringe, he drags Jae-yeol away from prying eyes. Unfortunately Hae-soo doesn’t see the attack, so she tries calling, but he can’t really take calls at the moment.

Jae-bum makes sure to insert the syringe’s contents before he greets Jae-yeol properly. Uh… hi, big bro? And then Jae-bum proceeds to stab his brother repeatedly with the needle anywhere he can stick it. Seriously dude, what the fuck.

If that wasn’t enough, Jae-bum proceeds to kick Jae-yeol, who’s curled up on the ground. ‘Cause this is just like old times? And then Jae-bum charges at his brother, and they both fly through the store window.

Sunbae Jo checks the sodium amytal syringe locked with the others to the needle in his pocket: they’ve got different colored tips. A flashback shows us that Jae-bum switched the syringes when he tripped Sunbae Jo. Crap, does that mean the convict’s got the real drug?

He’s understandably too worked up to entertain his ex-wife today, and puts in an angry call to Tae-yong about Jae-bum’s whereabouts.

Back at the hair salon, Jae-bum has Jae-yeol in a firm chokehold, asking him if it was fun living with Mom just the two of them. “Did I really kill him?” Jae-bum asks with crazed eyes. He notes that Jae-yeol isn’t saying anything, to which I say duh, you’re strangling him right now.

The store owner screams at seeing her business in a wreck with two strange men fighting in it. Jae-yeol wriggles out of his brother’s grip and offers to pay for the damages, then punches Jae-bum to stop his rants.

Then Jae-yeol grabs his brother close to him and whispers at him to stay still. If he goes to jail this time, he won’t ever get out again. Those are the magical words that sway Jae-bum, who clings to his brother and asks the bystanders not to call the police. “We’re brothers! I’m not a bad person! I’m sorry.”

Tae-yong angrily grabs Jae-bum’s shirt when he arrives, and then turns to Jae-yeol, who insists that he’s fine. Jae-yeol is understandably confused when Sunbae Jo comes marching in seconds later, and is told that he didn’t talk despite being given a truth serum.

Sunbae Jo screams that he wouldn’t have let something that valuable fall into Jae-bum’s hands—what he got was a placebo. On one hand, I’m relieved Sunbae Jo wouldn’t let Jae-bum get ahold of the truth serum, but he still let a madman run around with a dangerous object.

But Jae-bum’s takeaway from this incident was that Sunbae Jo deceived him. Looks like someone just got added to Jae-bum’s hit list. He tells Jae-yeol that he’ll be back in two months to pick up where they left off before being dragged away.

Mama Ok-ja calls in about dinner, and it takes her a minute to realize that something’s gone terribly wrong. Why else wouldn’t her boys come home all of a sudden? Jae-yeol assures her that everything’s fine—drinks with Sunbae Jo is running longer than expected. Mama Ok-ja knows something’s up, but agrees not to ask questions now.

Jae-yeol isn’t interested in taking Sunbae Jo’s advice to report this incident to the police—this is a family matter. But when Sunbae Jo argues that Jae-yeol could have been the victim of attempted murder if the situation escalated any further, Jae-yeol fires back that he isn’t that hurt. Isn’t that enough?

Jae-yeol: “When I needed other people’s concern… that wasn’t now, but when my mom and my sixteen-year-old self were being beaten by my stepfather. And fourteen years ago, when my underage brother at nineteen despite acting out of self-defense… Just on the grounds that he had a history of violence, without any attempts to consider extenuating circumstances, received an eleven-year jail sentence for murder.”

Sunbae Jo tells him to take his emotions out of the situation—Jae-bum is far more dangerous than he thinks. If his brother were that dangerous, then he would have stabbed him in the neck three years ago, not his shoulder, Jae-yeol counters. That Jae-bum would have attacked him with a knife, not a syringe. Are… you really arguing that the object is what’s dangerous and not the person wielding it?

And if Jae-bum was really that dangerous, Jae-yeol continues, then he wouldn’t be like an acting like an obedient child eating bread right now. It’s possible that Jae-bum could be on a revenge warpath against him—who knows, he could even stab him with a knife later on, but Jae-yeol can’t put his brother permanently behind bars for something that hasn’t happened yet. But when it does, that’s when he’ll ask Sunbae Jo to report Jae-bum to the police.

As for Hae-soo, she gets called away by Hwan-hee, the genitalia artist, who now proudly shows off his first public non-sensual artwork to her. Even though he hasn’t returned to school nor is really listening to Mom yet, he’s been keeping up with his therapy sessions and medication.

Hae-soo admits that she’s envious and opens up to Hwan-hee about her own anxiety issues. (I know, I’m thinking she should tread lightly here, too.) She tried to overcome them today by showing interest in someone she likes, only to end up being rejected because he never picked up.

Hwan-hee could tap into his own volition to overcome his issues, but she needs someone to respond to her efforts to overcome hers. So she’s worse off than he is right now, and needs some company today. Hwan-hee suggests that Hae-soo keep trying to call until she reaches the guy and gets an explanation.

Doing that would only wound her pride, Hae-soo says, to which Hwan-hee says she’s the one unwilling to do something about it. It took him countless attempts to make this painting look non-sensual, Hwan-hee replies, but he still kept trying.

Hae-soo receives a message from her unni telling her to apologize to their mother, then smiles at the photos of Jae-yeol with a toddler at their recent outing. I knew we couldn’t just gloss over a precious moment of Jo In-sung playing with a child.

After bidding Hwan-hee goodbye (and telling him he’s still got a long way to go), Hae-soo calls Jae-yeol again, surprised when he actually picks up this time. In a strained voice, Jae-yeol explains that he met his brother and got beat up a little.

A flashback sheds more light to when teenage Jae-bum was kicking Jae-yeol, the same memory we saw at the start of the hour. He’d taken off his own shoes and left them behind, walking away without them.

In the present, Hae-soo meets Jae-yeol and simply draws him towards her. She comforts him silently with tears building in her eyes. And although Jae-yeol verbally insists that he’s fine, he swallows back his tears.

Sunbae Jo lets Jae-bum run free, much to Tae-yong’s surprise. What if Jae-bum escapes? But Sunbae Jo says if Jae-bum wanted to escape, he would have done so already. And so, Jae-bum runs down the bridge, slapping himself and screaming into the night air.

Jae-yeol walks backwards so that he can see Hae-soo’s face while he explains how he was on his way to see her when this incident happened. She tells him to walk beside her lest he get hurt, and he asks if she was surprised. She in turn asks how he feels now, and he admits that he’s a little embarrassed.

He can’t help but wonder what she’ll think of his family now, and hopes that she doesn’t run off scared because of it. He, for one, is still hopeful that his family could be happy with his brother. Hae-soo smirks—she’s seen plenty of cases in her professional experience with families going through all kinds of pain and heartache, so she considers his family’s case among those.

She’s already seen the articles about Jae-bum, so she gets the gist without Jae-yeol having to explain the situation. “You really got lucky with your choice of girlfriend, didn’t you?” she teases.

“Girl… friend?” Jae-yeol repeats. Hae-soo smiles wide—if they’re dating, doesn’t that mean she’s his girlfriend now? And when she starts rambling about how his heart fluttered at her text, Jae-yeol cuts her off with a kiss.

Hae-soo’s the one to draw away first, her physical anxiety symptoms kicking in. Noticing the sweat on her neck and hands, he asks what’s going on, genuinely curious. Hae-soo says it’ll pass in a few minutes, but Jae-yeol asks if she’ll really be okay, concerned.

When they arrive home, Hae-soo asks if he considers her weird. “Not at all,” he replies. Neither of them are aware that PD Choi is hanging around. Downstairs at the cafe, Soo-kwang launches into another episode when he sees So-nyeo kissing another guy and leaving with him.

Hae-soo feels more tense and uncomfortable about their whole new relationship status at home, though she breaks into a smile once she’s alone. Jae-yeol smiles to himself in his bathroom, too.

He’s still beaming over the kiss during his morning jog when Kang-woo rolls up to him on his bike. Jae-yeol tells Kang-woo that he has to keep going to school even if his teachers don’t like him writing during class, then notices the cut on Kang-woo’s arm.

Kang-woo claims he fell down while trying to avoid those dudes racing their cars on that dangerous road. He remarks how he’ll kill himself if he doesn’t win this upcoming contest, adding morbidly that his mother could use the life insurance money.

He shakes off Jae-yeol’s concern about his still-crooked finger, and says he and his mother have since returned home. No one came to investigate their case either because nobody ever cares about their pathetic family, Kang-woo says. Except for Jae-yeol, of course.

Sunbae Jo doesn’t stop Jae-bum from doing whatever he wants to do now, firing back every one of Jae-bum’s insults with one of his own. He drives away with Tae-yong—to Jae-bum’s ire—and vows to treat Jae-bum once and for all.

Jae-yeol finds Hae-soo already awake and offers to make her breakfast. He asks if they’re going to keep going at this (as in, this whole dating thing), which has Hae-soo spout back rapidly if he wants to throw in the towel. She says it’s too late now—they’re going to see this to the end. He’s amused by her assurance.

Soo-kwang is in a pissed-off mood this morning and helps himself to Jae-yeol’s PPL air purifier. He makes a fuss about Hae-soo’s laundry too, and gets annoyed when she asks him to zip her up. He gets further annoyed when he finds out that there’s something going on between Jae-yeol and Hae-soo.

Hae-soo declines breakfast since she’s running late this morning, which catches Jae-yeol off-guard. It’s adorable how his face practically reads: But… you said you wanted breakfast… She asks if he’s the type to become a nagging boyfriend which she hates. Jae-yeol keeps his eyes on her without a word.

Ha, Jae-yeol is like a nagging mother, as he snatches a piece of bread from her hand while she’s on a call from work, all, If you’ve got time to eat that, then you may as well eat a proper meal. She presses a finger on his lips to shush him and asks for coffee.

He even wipes her lips when she spills some on herself, and third wheel Soo-kwang smirks at this lovey-dovey exchange. “It was like this with PD Choi, too.”

Jae-yeol stuffs some food in Hae-soo’s mouth for the road (cute) and tries to wipe her mouth again. This time, she refuses—just because he did something once doesn’t mean he gets free admission to do it again. They’re going to go about this relationship thing muuuuuccchhh slower than he thinks.

Once she leaves, Soo-kwang gives Jae-yeol the lowdown on what will happen next: Hae-soo will oblige with kisses and touch him, but that’ll be it. Whenever Jae-yeol wants to be more physically intimate, Hae-soo will act all innocent about it, and if they’re lucky, their relationship will last for about 300 days.

It’s like Soo-kwang is looking forward to seeing Jae-yeol suffer just like PD Choi did, but Jae-yeol is hardly fazed. “I’m not PD Choi [Ho]. I’m Jang Jae-yeol.” Sounds like someone’s confident.

Hae-soo pays a visit to the man who severed his arm, showing him two different cases of a severed hand. One cut his hand with a power saw and the other person’s hand was crushed by machinery; however, the crushed hand healed far better than the power saw hand thanks to the patient’s will and volition.

The man isn’t convinced—the doctors told him that he could lose his limb if he isn’t optimistic about recovery, but that’s exactly what he wants. Hae-soo shares that her father used to work with machinery too, and encourages him to seek treatment.

Hae-soo checks in with the wife about some photos before she leaves, and we see that they’re of the man holding his baby. Crying, the wife says she won’t ask for a second child and offers to help him, but at this rate, he won’t be able to hold their only child.

Despite being happy about Sunbae Jo’s attempts to apologize and knowing why he was angry last night, Doctor Lee still can’t bring herself to answer his calls. She tells Hae-soo that she’s still got feelings for her ex-husband, to which Hae-soo says she just has to endure them.

Hae-soo hangs up on her mother when she calls to ask after Jae-yeol’s number. When Hae-soo’s sister intervenes, Mom defensively fires back that she’s not at all ashamed about her relationship with Ajusshi Kim. Unable to lash out at her mother, Hae-soo’s sister takes it out on her husband instead.

Tae-yong follows Jae-yeol out of the office to ask if he’s been writing lately. Jae-yeol is quick to point out to his buddy that his last writing project tanked because of him, but he’s long forgiven Tae-yong for his wrongdoings because he’s been so good to Mama Ok-ja.

He instructs Tae-yong to hand over his publishing stocks to Jae-bum, since money’s the only thing he can give him. He receives a text from Mom expressing her gratitude, and he zooms in to see a picture of a cliff by the sea, and recalls a painting of that same image in Hae-soo’s room.

A young woman comes running looking for Jae-yeol just as he drives off. She claims to be a friend, whom also Tae-yong recognizes. She’s SANG-SOOK aka the young woman we saw in the window after Jae-yeol and Kang-woo turned away that time they followed Kang-woo’s crush home.

Doctor Lee makes her ex-husband works at his apology until he finally gives up and walks away. But that only annoys her further, and she barks that he’s always the one to apologize and leave if she doesn’t forgive him. Just like when they got divorced. Ouch.

They both snap at Soo-kwang when he says they should talk about that matter by themselves, and Sunbae Jo asks why she brings up their long forgotten past like it happened yesterday. Doctor Lee calls him a selfish jerk who always puts himself first—-no matter what other people may think of him, he’s the worst to her.

She starts to storm off but then doubles back to yell that she was the head of her family, who waited for her to become a doctor. But he wanted her to quit and support him instead, which Sunbae Jo claims he never said—all he said was for her to take a year off from her residency.

She says that’s basically the same thing, and Sunbae Jo barks back that it worked out for her then because they got divorced anyway. In a shaking voice, Sunbae Jo confides that he really needed her back then, to which she says, “What are you going to do if I say that I still desperately need you?”

She asks why he won’t give her an answer, and Sunbae Jo tells her never to call him again. Hae-soo sees her housemates leaving and tells herself to stay out of it. She has her own problems to worry about of course, because PD Choi unexpectedly turns up to ask if she’s with Jae-yeol now.

Hae-soo calls Jae-yeol on her bus ride home, and they talk about each other’s days, though she gets jokingly annoyed when he asks for details. He asks if she has more to tell him; she doesn’t, so they hang up and both remark on how they both like how the other keeps things simple and short.

Cute—Hae-soo arrives at her destination to see Jae-yeol already waiting for her with ice cream. He takes her hand and they interlock fingers. Slightly embarrassed, she tells him to look ahead instead of staring at her.

He can’t stop smiling, and when she asks why, he answers, “Because I like you.” They teasingly bicker back and forth about his smooth moves, and let’s face it—they’re just plain cute together.

Hae-soo ushers Jae-yeol to the end of the couch so that she can lie down with her head in his lap. I love how this move doesn’t surprise the peanut gallery aka Sunbae Jo and Soo-kwang, who both tsk at the Hae-soo Boyfriend Rookie tries to touch her hair without prior permission.

It’s sorta great how those two provide minute-by-minute commentary to the new lovebirds’ conversation, as Jae-yeol asks about her plans for the following weekend. He surprises her by suggesting that they go on a trip together, and when she asks if he’s going to try and make a pass at her there, he says he wants to go see nature.

She doesn’t believe that answer for a second, but he asks about that photo of the cliff by the sea hanging in her room. She says she found it on the internet and always wanted to go there with her father; apparently it’s Okinawa. Jae-yeol files that information away.

Hae-soo asks if he’ll be able to protect her if they travel together, which Jae-yeol replies yes. She tests that answer—can he promise that to her housemates as well? Without skipping a beat, Jae-yeol says of course, and tells the other two that they can go ahead and kill him if he doesn’t uphold his promise.

Then he turns to Hae-soo and tells her that she’ll be surprised at just how well he’ll take care of her. So she agrees and says they’ll leave next weekend. Commentators Sunbae Jo and Soo-kwang ask how Jae-yeol can make such an impossible promise no man can keep.

Jae-yeol wonders why they’re getting so worked up when he’s planning to be a gentleman and protect the woman he loves from any unfortunate accidents or other men. Sunbae Jo points out that Jae-yeol’s the most dangerous one right now, to which Jae-yeol throws back innocently, “Am I included too? As if.”

Next thing we know, we see Jae-yeol and Hae-soo in a car, enjoying the sunny weather together.

 
COMMENTS

What I liked most about this hour was getting to watch the budding romance between Jae-yeol and Hae-soo, particularly in the mundane and everyday in their interactions together. It’s nice to see some grounded moments between them and how they can enjoy spending time together and appreciate the time when they don’t see each other. It’s an interesting kind of honeymoon phase for them, the kind where Jae-yeol respects the physical boundaries Hae-soo has established, and where in turn, Hae-soo is understanding towards Jae-yeol’s family background. Granted, she doesn’t know the entire story, but I’ve got to give her credit for not running away just because her new boyfriend’s got a crazy, bloodthirsty brother.

Speaking of whom, I’m relieved that Sunbae Jo had enough sense not to let the truth serum lying around, though it wasn’t smart of him to leave Jae-bum with a syringe that he’d use to stab Jae-yeol repeatedly with, either. Just imagining that scene again still haunts me. What bothers me is that everyone who knows that Jae-bum is a dangerous madman are aware of what he’s capable of, but chooses not to act for one reason or another. Jae-yeol’s reasoning is the most perplexing and interesting because despite being beaten by big bro countless times and attacked yet again, he still argues for Jae-bum’s defense.

Since he’s a victim of abuse from Jae-bum’s hands, I could understand that how a tiny display of kindness could outweigh the wrongs in his head (e.g., when Jae-bum gave up his shoes for his brother) and that there are times when Jae-bum isn’t on a revenge warpath in the present (e.g., when he’s eating), but the reality we clearly see happen over and over again in this show is that Jae-bum will not stop until he’s gotten his vengeance. And then some. What’s murky about Jae-yeol’s defense is that he argues that the weapon, method, and location of his wounds are non-lethal (so far), but the fact is that those are all useless by themselves without considering the thinking tank that wields that weapon and strategizes that attack; that’s it’s the person who’s the source of greatest danger. Jae-yeol’s argument makes him sound like the innocent lamb next to Jae-bum’s crazed antics, but I can’t help but wonder that what we see at present isn’t the entire story, either. Which is why we have to wait for the crumbs of intel with each passing episode.

Just like the slow progression of the romance (those are Hae-soo’s words), I hope that we’ll get more information about Jae-yeol’s symptoms. Now that we know that Kang-woo is a hallucination, it’ll be interesting to see if he shows up overseas if Jae-yeol does. Or maybe Jae-yeol’s phantoms stay in the motherland, who knows. But what does interest me is the appearance of a friend from the past in Sang-sook, whom we saw when Jae-yeol was with Kang-woo back in Episode 4. Her tie-in to the story could either help us solve some mysteries about Jae-yeol’s past or string us along until all the puzzle pieces are in place.

With this trip, it looks like we’re in for some lovey-dovey moments, which are always welcome in my book. And with such strong mutual attraction for each other, one wonders just how long Jae-yeol will be the gentleman he touts to be, or let his inner homme fatale act upon his feelings. Perhaps the shrink will need to take two kisses and see what happens in the morning.

 
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yay for recaps!

The couple were so cute in the drama I couldn't help smiling at them - though I feel Kwangsoo really hit it out of the park in this episode with his portrayal of Tourette's

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Wasn't he adorably funny while giving JY a lecture on HaeSoo 101?

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I don't find him funny, I find him fascinating. I think he is like Jae Yeol in more than just his haircut; he is bright, and observant about people, and yet cut off from them and constantly sidelined - he definitely would be sought-after and probably a player, if he did not have his disability.

This episode showed just how aware he is of relationships and what people do to maintain them. And I think he was laying down a challenge to Jae Yeol, with his HaeSoo 101 speech: basically, this is what she does, this is the game that she plays, can you beat her at this game? And Jae Yeol accepted the challenge. It was KwangSoo showing that he can give advice, as well as get it.

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I agree, I think he's a really interesting character and person – the kind that people easily dismiss (in the drama and in real life) because of bias and feeling uncomfortable around him because of his tics. But he is more observant than shown at first, and very sensitive. I really hope they keep giving him a role to play in the drama.

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as much as I love all moment of OTP, JB's scene stole my heart for this episode! Since from beginning I never hate him and believed he must have serious mental disorder and believe he isnt bad person after all ... finally I get the answer, I just heart him and really root for him to be cured by DM's help. Dr jo, fighting!!!

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I agree. The guy is definitely dangerous but he's also terribly sick, poor tortured soul.

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"he’s also terribly sick, poor tortured soul." this! what is remind me of many people out there who has similar mental disorder like JB... for that I'm so gratefull that I get to life as normal person... writer NOH is really incredible for bring up this topic! thumbs up for her!

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yeah and if he actually didn't commit the murder his position is doubly tragic and understandable, he may be violent (for which he no doubt requires therapy) but no one deserves to be incarcerated for a crime they didn't commit... I'm also really pissed at the character of the mother till now... what sort of weak person lets their spouse repeatedly assault their children and themselves without fighting back, running away or reporting it to the cops? there has to be a reason behind this... or else her cowardice and weakness will be indefensible..

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Even though it seems obvious to someone not in the mom's situation to just leave, long-term abuse is not something you can just walk away from. Your entire mindset is changed and the abuser has a mental hold over you. Not to mention the fact that many abusers chase after their victims if they try to leave. And also it seems that the authorities did not do anything to help which is the case in most asian societies. This type of victim blaming is not helping people see that getting out of a physically abusive situation and dealing with the effects afterwaeds is something that also requires treatment. It's a type of sickness just like all of the other mental illnesses on the show.

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I'm just wondering if it's possible that their stepfather's murderer is in fact Mum. I mean, I think it's pretty clear that the murderer probably ISN'T Jaebum (not entirely sure if he's a reliable narrator, but the story seems to point us that way) which would leave either Jaeyeol or Mum as the culprits right? The obvious way out would be to write that Jaeyeol murdered his stepfather in self-defence, but I actually think it might be even more impactful if Mum was the murderer, because that means she tossed both sons aside (left Jaebum to rot in jail, left Jaeyeol to suffer his brother's hatred), and would make both brothers' situations really twisted.

Honestly, it's just an idea, and I'm not very sure about it either, but it seems possible?

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Holy crap. I haven't even thought of the mother being the culprit. However that does clear up a lot of the confusion. Although the Jaeyeol we are seeing right now is the successful Jaeyeol who has manage to escape the abuse + has a flourishing career + provide for his mother - it seems against his character to let his own brother take the fall for murder that he committed - albeit this happened in his adolescent years where he could have been a completely different character.

However Jaeyeol has made it pretty clear that he treasures his mother above all. Although I can't see him letting Jaebum go to jail for a murder he committed, I can definitely see him sacrificing his brother for his mother.

This theory also explains the pretty troubling flashback in episode 8.

But once again HOLY CRAP. If Mom is really the murderer - that would blow my mind.

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If she is the murderer, then she got rid of the two violent persons in the family. Her husband beat her, JB and JY while JB beat up JY. Thing is, JB was only nineteen then and he spent 11 yrs in prison for that crime. Thus his revenge on JY and Mom.

But i guess JB killed his stepfather in self defense. During the trial, JY and Mom said nothing even when they knew JB did it. Why? Because they couldn't bring themselves to tell the truth. However their silence made it worse for JB, thus his revenge. To hurt JY means to hurt Mom whom he hated the most.

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hmm somehow the impression I've been getting is that JY(the writer chap) did kill his father but doesn't know it because his alter ego took over or something. And when he recovered himself he saw his brother attempting to remove the knife so assumed that the brother killed the stepdad. And I think the mother knows this or saw this but couldn't bring herself to implicate the younger child by telling the truth, since she clearly loves him more. Hence her guilt and overcompensating attitude towards JB despite his violent tendencies towards herself and JY.
Or am I completely on the wrong tangent here?

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I also had the same thought that Mom might be the one who killed the stepfather (not that I have any solid support for it - just a thought that occurred to me).

I wonder if that might explain the fact the Jae-bum doesn't want to kill Jae-yeol, just hurt him, i.e. that he blames Jae-yeol for making him the culprit and protecting the mom, but not to the point that he doesn't know that killer is actually mom. I know JB keeps saying "I didn't do it", but does he actually say "JY killed him" or "its JY's fault". (I feel like he does say the former, but I would have to go back to be sure.) Well, it might be too far-fetched but in any case I think it's likely that someone other than JB killed the guy. For all we know, it might have been an accident (someone – e.g. JY - holding the knife, the stepfather being pushed - e.g. by Mom - to defend herself and him falling onto it... and JB pulling the knife out, hence his fingerprints being on the knife and JY's memory just recalling that image...).

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Jae-bum told Dr. Jo that his brother killed his father, when he was begging him to give the truth serum to Jae-yeol and their mom in episode 4.

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What if 2 teenage boys and a very pissed off abused wife band together to get rid of their common enemy? Afterwards, 1 of them has to take the fall for the murder. It'd be up to two of them to decide which one to sacrifice.
Mom's favorite is JY. Plus JB routinely beat JY. There, easy decision.

From that point on, JY and mom are tied together by their shared secret and guilt. So they are waiting to welcome JB back into the family, and JY just lets his hyung attack him every time he gets out of prison. Whereas JB is left with a lot of anger and desire for revenge, to hurt JY, cos to hurt JY is to hurt mom too.

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Wow. That really does make sense. Thanks Skyblaze, for sharing a great theory.

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Mama Ok jang as the murderer? Possibly, but highly unlikely. For three reasons: -

There were at least two relevant flashbacks from the earlier episodes, if I remember correctly. The first showed the step-father lurching towards Jae Yeol who appeared to be holding something in his hands. In a later episode, the flashback was of Jae Bum having his hands wrapped around the knife (?) that was sticking out from the step-father's body. Mama Ok Jang with her head swiveled sideways, witnessed this. She was nowhere near the body.

Secondly, Jae Bum is unrepentant of his (mis)deeds. Dr. Jo's words. Someone else had also said the same thing, I can't recall who. With such a personality, Jae Bum would have gone directly to the mother for vengeance if indeed Mama Ok Jang was the killer. Blood relationship will not stop him, he's been going after his younger brother all this while hasn't he?

Thirdly, it would be out of character for Mama Ok Jang to kill the step-father and let any of her sons be blamed for it. We know she's very loving towards Jae Yeol. She also kept visiting Jae Bum in prison and was very happy when he finally agreed to meet her even if Jae Bum refused to say anything to her. She was profusely thankful to Dr. Jo for treating Jae Bum. Her character portrayal comes off as a loving, gentle woman.

So, the killer may be Jae Seol, although it's more likely to be Jae Bum and highly unliikely Mama Ok Jang. I say 'highly unlikely' because this is dramaland after all!

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It might be that no one was the killer, but that it was an accident.

JB blames JY, who is the one that put him behind bars (since Mom apparently did not give witness at the trial). Even if Mom is the killer, JB might be more hell-bent on getting his revenge on JY – this might not make sense, but people's minds work in twisted ways. If it was an accident (e.g. stepfather being pushed, by mom, and, by bad luck, falling onto a knife the JY was holding), JB could still be blaming JY more than Mom because what he said at the trial landed JB in prison for 11 years.

At the moment, I don't think any of the flashbacks can be trusted, because JB is an unreliable narrator, JY has suppressed the whole thing in his memory, and Mom... just remains silent (possibly also as a way of coping with the abuse she and her children suffered for years - she too might be suppressing things in her mind). Who knows at this point.

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I actually thought the same thing. I was thinking the mom was the murderer. Though I do not think she thought it as tossing both sons aside. I think she made a choice between her sons, with the older brother losing because of how he beat JY. She probably thought she was protecting both.

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loved Jae-you'll to bits in this episode. one of the few guys who is just starting to cry but I find myself crying already.

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Yet another great recap! I can't wait to hear your thoughts on episode 8!

Also I wanted to comment on something I noticed about Jae Yul when he was being attacked by Jae Bum was that, SINCE he was given a placebo, he wasn't drugged. There was no reason he should've been weaker. In fact when others show up, it doesn't take much for him to get the upper hand and settle Jae Bum down. We've seen him fight off bigger and stronger guys than Jae Bum. But when it comes to his brother he seems to just lay there and take it. We see him fight to protect people he cares about, but I'm not really seeing him fight much to protect himself, especially from his brother. And I'm not entirely sure why. I'd be interested in your perspective on it.

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I think when Jae-bum attacks him, Jae-yul gets stuck in his memories of being beaten in the past, when he was physically smaller, weaker and unable to best his brother. I think that's why we keep seeing flashbacks when they fight. It seemed to me that Jae-yul was able to jerk himself out of the past when the store owner intervened because she hadn't been there previously when Jae-bum was beating him. Maybe the anachronistic addition worked like an alarm clock to wake him up to present day reality? Don't know, but maybe.

Short answer - PTSD keeps him trapped in the past and unable to fight back.

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I think it's because he has a history of abuse from his brother, he sits there and takes it instead of fighting back as he should. Maybe at that moment he reverts back to the little child he was, when his brother used to beat him up. There may be other factors at play as well, like maybe on some level he feels he deserves the abuse? I notice he didn't much fight back when he was stabbed with a fork either.

Family loyalty vs. Learned behavior. I remember the painting of the camel on the wall and what Jae Yul told Hae Soo that the camel which was tied up all night wouldn't escape in the morning even though it had been unleashed. I'm not a psychology expert by any means and would be happy to read what others more qualified than myself add to the answer. It's quite curious for me as well.

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Thanks for the recap, Gummi!

Aside from the leads, great acting from Yang Ik-june-ssi (Jae Bum) and Lee Kwang-soo. I mean, wow!

I can see another violent episode between JY and hyung later on. Should I say “it’s okay, there’s love” between the two brothers? Sigh. What an abusive relationship! Getting repeatedly stabbed with the needle and beaten up multiple times! I shudder. I can’t fathom why JY handled it that way. I’m soooo afraid for him. I guess I’ll just hope for the best that somehow JY’s family progresses towards that state of haengbok that he dreams about…

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I can't shake of the feeling that this writer is trying to do some serious social commentary - and I don't mean about the attitude towards mental issues either...

JY and JB's assertion - JY especially, of everybody's disregard of is family's problems when they were younger seems like a social jab towards the Asian culture generally more reserved 'don't bother with people who aren't your family' attitude, no?

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Omg if the writer was really going that route then a gold star for them. i didn't think about this point at all but you definitely make a great point because in episode 2? hae Soo tells a patient that it's more important to understand yourself before your parents.

And i think that asian parents generally ignore issues within the family as well.

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I think this is an interesting point because some of my relatives suffer from mental illnesses and people in the family like to keep it hush hush.

Also, my father who's a doctor (not a psychiatrist) working in the West now keeps mentioning about how more people over here suffer from depression. But I wonder whether it's true and whether people in Asia just hide their mental illnesses more due to an increased fear of social stigma? After all, suicide rates are higher in Asian countries.

This leads me to think whether it creates a vicious cycle. Because the subject's so taboo, those who need help are unwilling to open up and also outsiders who don't understand the situation well are reluctant to help.

I'm sorry if this post is written badly. Can't seem to articulate my thoughts properly.

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Definitely. I have family members who have suffering from mental illnesses who should really seek out medical treatment BUT there's an unspoken tacit agreement among all the family members to never speak of it out loud.

This is especially problematic with the mandatory Korean army service. Though the Korean government officially acknowledges medical illnesses and you are granted pardon if you qualify, it follows you for the rest of your life. I believe (although I don't know and pray that this is no longer true) that you are pardoned from the military service due to mental health issues, you have to tell your employees at the time of interviews/employment. Thus you are basically doomed for life.

Then you end up with situations where people who should not be holding weapons and exposed to the harsh realities of war, armed and ready to kill in the a minute for the "nation"

It's like the LGBTQ community in Korea. Though they are rapidly gaining publicity.... for the longest time they were not existent. Not because there were none who identified as LGBTQ in Korea but because they weren't allowed to identify as LGBTQ publicy. By family, friends, society. For the longest time, my dad honestly thought there were no gays in Korea. -.-;;;

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Enjoying this thread. Since the start of my kdrama addiction couple of years back, it never ceases to amaze me how much social commentary actually filters through the genre. It's what grabbed my attention and made me identify the same situations in my country.

Just three examples (apart from the obvious class issues):

1. Ignore the trope in Robbers, themes of homosexuality, domestic violence and alcoholism came up. I was so impressed as a newbie.

2. The countless times personal debt and exorbitant medical expenses wreak havoc on families.

3. The amount of times "redevelopment" displaces entire communities and their small, local businesses.

I could go on and on. So, I'm very glad the issues surrounding mental health are being addressed in this drama. And the fact that mental health practitioners are vulnerable people, too. Thanks, Writer-nim.

Thanks for the recaps and the insights, yorabun.

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Maaaan, I just keep loving IOIL more and more! I really like how special the relationship between Jae Yeol and Hae Soo, its not corny but makes me smile in front of my screen like an idiot ;D.
I have mixed feeling about Jae Beom, beneath all the pity I have for him, fear and anger still remains... (Or maybe its just lingers from Nice Guy?)
And its back to waiting for wednesday again :').

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Sometimes I really question how I can love a show so much, everything from top to bottom hits all the right buttons for me and that's awfully rare because I'm a picky person.

That being said, as we're halfway through the show I'm worried about the big reveal because all these tender moments means that when all hell breaks loose, shit is going to really hit the fan. I'm also worried about the ending because I believe Jae Yeol deserves his happiness and I think as a drama; an ending that shows overcoming abuse and mental illnesses would be an extra inportant message and if not at least and ending showing Hae Soo being accepting of who he is would be good enough for me.

I'm also feeling ambivalent towards crazy hyung because from today I think there's more to the story then we know. Perhaps hin being crazy has a lot more to do with his past then being in prison. It was kind of saddening to me when eating bread and running free seemed so magical to him.

That being said, the future of this drama is still in question as I can't seem to predict what will happen which I'm okay with but also super worried. I just want everyone to be okay because they all truly deserve their happiness. Ugh. i'd be super interested to hear all your thoughts!

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You mention something that is truly important: How would a happy end for these characters play out? While the ability to overcome mental health struggles is always an important message to put out there, especially for those suffering, I think in Jae-yeol's case it could easily trivialize his history and experiences as a victim of abuse. So basically I would take Hae-soo accepting him any day over some magic wand-waving that makes his issues completely and forever disappear because people in real life do not have options like these.

Rest assured, I am aware you weren't advocating any of that wand-waving yourself, it is just something I've encountered often in various media that dealt with mental illness and it grates on me every. single. time. Anyhow, it would feel like dishonest and simplistic storytelling to me and definitely lessen the impact the show's had on me so far. Since it is so great at portraying how normal all those characters are and how they harmonize, despite their personal and medical histories, vitriolic personalities, and character flaws, I have the hope that they continue to be able functioning as each other's safety net because those meaningful relationships seem to be the true, all too human core of this drama.

Furthermore, I think it's highly unlikely for Jae-yeol to completely or realistically face his demons during the course of the show, time-wise, unless we have one big time jump coming. That's why instead of a rushed and cliché-ridden cure or anything of the like, I want to see him dealing with all the little things, all the big things, all the things in-between -- and learning how to live with them. It can be painful, hell, it should be, and I'm prepared to cry every single tear my body will lend me (unless those are tears of frustration because this drama jumps the shark), but I really, really want him to succeed the hard way with every fibre of my being. I have an almost raw need for it.

Ugh, I'll stop now. Too many feelings. I hope this wasn't too incoherent and thanks for your enlightening comment; it really struck a nerve and made me think for a while. :)

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< it could easily trivialize his history and experiences as a victim of abuse. So basically I would take Hae-soo accepting him any day over some magic wand-waving that makes his issues completely and forever disappear because people in real life do not have options like these.

Amen to all you say.

I feel like this drama needs some sort open ending where it's clear that the issues haven't been 100% resolved but they will continue to be something that will need to be dealt with for a longer period of time (maybe always). This doesn't just apply for Jae-yeol, but also his brother, several of the patient cases etc.

Having seen ep. 8 (no spoilers), I wonder if we'll get a totally different ending though which I'm not keen on either. :-(

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Open ending sounds good and way more satisfying to me than marriage with children. ;)

And, oh, now you're making me worry. I haven't seen the newest episode yet, probably won't watch it for at least another few hours. Here's hoping that at least not all hell breaks loose at once. *anxious whimper*

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There's only a hint in ep. 8 – nothing definite, nothing certain. It could be the writers messing with us, something that's only part of JY's imaginary world (even if there are parallels in the real world) as part of his coping mechanism, or the actual truth that will be confirmed later on.

But enough to get me worried that there might be more shit hitting the fan that I originally thought. :-(

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Your comment was wonderfully worded and not incoherent in the least! And thank you for your comment! I didn't think i was saying much tbh, just some scattered thoughts! Your comment made me think as well.

Considering how self aware Jae Yeol is (besides the fact kang woo is not real) it will certainly be fascinating to watch him struggle plus Jo In Sung's acting chops would be something to see ;) As an audience watching the struggles would be much more interesting and in tune with the drama's writing so far.

And what you see about those relationships being safety nets is so well put and rings so true and I think it's something the drama does well because in real life those sorts of relationships and friendships are the most important. Ahhh, I'm right with you about all the feels this drama gives. I don't even understand because at first it seems so lowkey but it's not at all and I think it's the subtleness that makes everything hit so much closer to home!

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I haven't watched anything with Jo In Sung before, to be honest (open to recommendations!), but his performance here continues to floor me every week, so I'm really pumped to see him dig deeper into the darker/hidden parts of Jae-yeol's psyche.

And I really wouldn't have expected this drama to move me this much. Still trying to work out how it exactly does what it does. Maybe we both have more answers to this in the next episode recap post?

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@ama:

His favourite drama of mine is What Happens in Bali with Ha Ji Won and So Ji Sub. A crazy and intensive ride for sure and you get to see really horrible fashion of the era. Movie-wise, A Dirty Carnival trumps over A Frozen Flower. Although the latter generates more publicity due to its homosexuality content, I find his performance isn't very strong. A Dirty Carnival however is another story.

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@iatetoomuch: Thank you for these recs! I'll be sure to check them out as soon as possible. He definitely intrigues me as an actor and I am curious to see how versatile he can be.

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I highly recommend something happened in bali but I will warn you that I think that that is the most f*cked up character he's ever played even more so than jaeyeol,he slowly descends to madness throughout the series.

(his father in the show is the worst kdrama dad i've ever seen btw.)

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I second A Dirty Carnival because Jo In Sung was so fine but I think I just have a weakness for gangster bad boys and tattooes in movies LOL! To be honest I think most of his projects are worth the time because he's superb

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I actually trust Jo In Sung as an actor on this one. He is so good at portraying people with inner vulnerabilities as flaws, even if the show gives him Hae Soo and children and flowers and unicorns barfing rainbows, all he has to do is look at the camera with those slightly shifty, wounded eyes and I'll know that the reality is, it's all still in there.

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I think that's what is so unsettling about it really. Even as viewers we STILL don't have a full idea of what happened. Did Jae Bum kill the step-father? Did Jae Yul? Was it an accident? Did their Mother do it and she was protecting herself rather than Jae Yul by refusing to agree with Jae Bum's testimony? It's hard to anticipate the reaction to the big reveal when we don't even know what the big reveal is ultimately going to be! lol

I'm worried for her reaction to finding out the extent of what's wrong with Jae Yul, but man what about Jae Yul's reaction? He totally believes the people he sees are real. How is he going to react to knowing Kang-woo isn't real?

Either way I'm loving this drama. So far one of my favorites of 2014.

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Every episode, I like JY more and more, and every episode I like HS less and less. She blows hot and cold, people have to take her emotional temperature every three minutes, she's whiny, she gives crappy advice...honestly, I'm not crazy about spending two hours a week in her company.

That said, I think that she's exactly the kind of person JY would be attracted to - people from abusive backgrounds tend toward the emotional rollercoaster type of partner.

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Same here. Compared to everyone else's, HS' phobia is a self-centered cherished shield she uses to her advantage and, strangely, only when she needs it. Strange, because you can't turn a real phobia on and off that easily. She comes across as a person who just craves attention while not giving enough sympathy to the hurts of others. Example: She laments that JY rejected her 3 ring "important" phone call message without a single worry that something might have had happened to him?!
We should be thankful writers didn't go into the realm of inappropriate relationships in this show and didn't make her JY's therapist. Tho I bet some commenters would have defended that as well. Culture de contre rules or something.

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The core of treatments of various phobias is to realize that it is not selfish to feel the way you do. You have a right to your emotions - however, you shouldn't let them paralyze you in fear from taking new risk, barking out on new adventures, and making new friendships.

Imagine how traumatizing it was for HS to see her mother kiss her father's friend (and then it's insinuated that she had a long lasting affair with Mr. Kim - one that included sex). She grew up her whole life with her mother pretending to be the perfect wife to her father while sleeping around with his friend behind his back. If you can recall, the mom wasn't secret about her relationship with Mr. Kim because she wasn't aware how much her daughters knew. So she would take calls in front of them. And each time she did it was a reminder to HS that she was cheating on her father.

Sure, you can argue that HS is overreacting and that HS's sister saw the same kiss but ended up in a functional marriage.

Yet people react differently all the time. So regardless of how sister dealt with the situation, that doesn't mean HaeSoo dealt with it the wrong way.

And though I agree that HaeSoo may not be the best doctor, too many issues of her own keep her from seeing the situation clearly and objectively, I don't think she doesn't feel sympathy towards the issues of others.

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Your comment is absolutely right about treatment of phobias - facing your emotions (anxieties) is the first step. I have few problems with how writers explained HS' history of acquiring her phobia and how mild and very treatable her problem is when she is the one treating others. A few breathing relaxation technics and self-helping positive thoughts is not that hard to practice on oneself for a clinical therapist the writers made her to be. Looks like she did nothing to help herself prior. That means the writers keep her "sex phobia" around for a reason to spice up the ...sex scenes in the show.
I've seen patients with strong sex anxieties after physical injuries in accidents, being a victim of a rape, abuse, or a witness to rape or murder, and after having an abortion or miscarriage. Never heard or read about a severe case that generated after child being exposed to a parent making out.
Then again, it's the Land of Drama - not ready to meet the real world's problems without either over-exuberating or understating them.

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So you think this kind of incidents doesn't happen in real life, a child mistakenly seeing his / her mother or father kissing or making out with some stranger and end up being mentally affected by it, now as an avid fan of crime shows this kind of case is nothing new at least to me, if you go and look through serial killer documentaries, there are quite a few of them who have had a history of witnessing their mothers cheating or having sex with a stranger in their childhood and end up being mentally affected by it, that incident then becomes the main factor in them having a huge hatred towards women. The rest is history. So what I'm saying is this kind of things do happen in real life and I don't see any over exaggeration from the writers.

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I think the show explained HS' phobia very well. I agree with Megumi that TV shows have used childhood traumas like HS' for serial killers etc because it could be pretty damaging to a child. She can't trust physical intimacy in a relationship not just because she saw her mom kiss another man, but also because she saw her mom constantly carressing and kissing her father while she carries on a secret affair with his friend.

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I think that's what I like about this actress -- this character has some real unattractive qualities and she doesn't shy away from showing that. Not the least of these is her willingness and ability to manipulate/provoke men to avoid sex. And what I love about JY -- and why HS is falling in love with him -- is that even with all he has going on – he calls her on her stuff. I've got all kinds of problems with the psychiatry in this show -- but the relationship dynamics here are adult and spot-on. Props to the actors and the writer for that.

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Love for this drama is going to stab us in the gut isn't it?!

The few flashbacks of that unfortunate day where one of the brothers stabbed the stepfather and one took the knife out, is all the show is showing us. Either way Jae Yeol is filled with guilt/love and a great sense of responsibility towards his brother.

Love our OTP! It's very cheesy but I enjoy every scene where JY and HS are together.

Bit annoyed that the ex is still showing up. And with the appearance of that new girl as the old friend of JH, I am fearing what future episodes are going to bring us...

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My hope with the ex is that they are NOT going to do the usual thing (since this drama has been excellent at doing things its own, unpredictable way) and that there won't be any sort of love triangle (which this drama does not need) but that they might utilise her as a trigger. Like for things that JY is suppressing (unconsciously) or memories that will clue in HS about JY past or the fact that he's imagining things.

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I'm not worried about her ex...I think he totally burned his bridges with her, and I doubt there'll be any real threat coming from him.

And the new girl, same thing I don't see a threat romantically from her...I think that she'll be part of the reveal of Jae Yul's condition. She can testify to the fact that he was there, throwing rocks at her window, and when she opened it up Jae Yul was there alone, yelling things to her and then ran off.

I see no love triangle type potential there what-so-ever.

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In the letter she left for JY, she was reminded of JY when someone dropped by her house like he used to. So she's returning all the letters he wrote to her (for inspiration? so he can remember her? not sure). Pretty sure those will be key to addressing this whole KW issue.

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Thank you gummimochi for another great recap! You're making my favourite shows(FTL) more enjoyable!

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gso good...I love the characters and how they interact, with one exception. the mother. I don't get her at all. First she marries some abusive bastard, then she plays the victim and lets him fuck up both her sons, then, when tragedy strikes, she acts in front of the judge like a fish brought ashore, instead of defending her son and telling the judge of the assault that night and of years of abuse and her neglect when she was too busy feeling sorry for herself to pay any attention to her older son. but at least she is consistent in her stupidity by organizing a lovely family dinner with the prodigal son and nonwistanding the attack with the fork back then, she is hoping that now that all the bad things are behind they'll live like one happy and nice family. She doesn't deserve a happy ending.

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I don't blame her for getting sucked into an abusive situation and letting her sons be abused too... these things do happen and are complicated. We don't know exactly what went on at the trial, so I'll reserve judgment on that so far.

However, she's seems toonice and happy now, almost naive, like someone who never lived through such hell. It could be that she's just badly (unrealistically) written or that she too is suffering from mental issues that make her be in total denial (as her way of coping with the situation), although if the latter is the case, I don't feel this has been made clear (which is a weakness in the writing).

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So, I've read every recap so far (thank you for those!)...and i just realised that I've been reading Soo-Kwang as Kwang-soo this whole time!

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His love for his brother will kill him. Please don't let it be so..

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I am betting he isnt buddha's earthly mabifestation either, and can be real scary. The older brother is a bully and a weakling, not capable of murder. Our author, on the other hand... I think he isnt killed himself or someone yet cuz he can release most of his stress writing...

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What's the problem with the Schoolgirl she seems really crazy, i hope kwang soo get another girl, that girl it's crazy.

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She's not crazy, but she's just not an interesting character at all so far. She's more a stereotypical drama character than a real person... but given how everyone is developing she might have a story to her.

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This girl has conduct disorder, she's not crazy, Soo Kwang Has Tourette Sindrome & sh has Conduct Disorder, both have mental problems. I think the girl really likes Soo Kwang, i think in the end they end up together, but I think we'll mourn with them.

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Seems like everyone on the show has some sort of diagnosable mental disorder lol.

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gummimochi ~

Thanks for the recap.

Things about the show that I like:

I like the question of, "Who killed the father and if Mom lied about it, why?".

I like the Kang-woo / Jae-yeol thing.

What doesn't work for me:

The Jae-yeol /Hae-Soo romance. It seems fake and forced. The voyeuristic details of the romance with the other house mates = friggen kreepy x 10.

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Funny, I totally love their romance, I feel they 'get' each other and tick the same way. They are at equal level – no superior-in-every-way chaebol and no sweet-too-kind damsel. And no fake kisses/skinship for once!

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WORD!

And I think:
You can view their relationship in more than one way, so you either hate it or LOVE it(like I clearly do).

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Oh yes, of course... And not every drama couple will work for everyone.

There are things that are problematic about their relationship (both come with a LOT of baggage) and in some way we can also question whether either is in a state to be in a relationship at all.. plus for HS, it's definitely a rebound (how much time was there between her break-up and new relationship? like two days?). And Jae-yeol is reputed to be a total player, which in real life would be a total turn-off.

But I'm digging them, so far.

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I would really love it more if they became really close friends before they become lovers. Thank God for HS being there already before JY realizes how sick he is. Despite her flaws, she's perfect for him, she may be fussy in a lot of things, but she was all warmth and quiet strength when JY needed comfort. :) I'm digging them, too :)

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Yeah, I'm generally for the friends-before-lovers development too... but I think they might just be the exception to the rule, you know the couple that gets married after three weeks together and that is still together 30 years later, when of course 99% of the time it's of course not a good idea to get married after three weeks.

I'm not suggesting they get married now btw. I just feel they've got a different sort of relationship than in most dramas. They are being amazingly frank about embarrassing and/or extremely sensitive topics right from the start. They are not hung up on the relationship either – I don't get this "fated" feel like with many OTPs, they are just living in the moment. They could actually break up 7 months down the line and happily end up with someone else. Not sure if I'm explaining myself here (or just contradicting myself), I'm still trying to figure out why I find them so refreshing & compelling as a couple.

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Yeah they don't seem very emotionally stable, so you'd figure they have to take care of each other and that'll go horribly wrong because maybe that's not what they need.
HS just got out of a relationship of 300 days wherein she wasn't invested for 100 percent. She didn't really love that guy so she always had that excuse of the trauma- though I don't believe she did that on purpose...
And now with JY she is head over heels giving all of herself to him.(this is bit of a spoiler)

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@gummi but weapon choiche is important. If I am going to bang your head and I am using shakeaspeare's collected works or my grandfather's axe, it's different. (Using the bards works is much more cruel).

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Yeah, like they said in Robin Hood – what was it, spoon to cut out the heart instead of a knife.... much more cruel and painful!

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I think this is a fantastic show. I love the fact that it could go anywhere!

Things about this episode:

-Jae-yeol (and his mother and childhood friend) is in denial of his brother. Yes, he might not be out to kill you, but he is a dangerous person. He'll beat you to near-death and while he's spinning out of control like that (like when he was strangling JY and shouting 'Why are you not talking' - duhhh!), he might just kill you accidentally. The fact that he won't kill you on purpose, doesn't make him into a good boy. This man does needs to be locked up and watched closely – in prison with psychiatric treatment, or in a psychiatric ward. I really, really hope the drama doesn't mess up and give him a simple happy ending / cure, because this guy has long term issues that can't be solved at the snap of a finger.

-Not keen on the ex-friend popping up, but I'm hoping that she'll be used as a narrative "trigger" not as part of a love triangle. On that note, I wish HS's ex would be written out of the story. We don't need him going after HS, it's distracting and annoying (even if he barely appears... but I have a feeling he's going to become more stalkerish).

-Sunbae Jo and his ex: they need to cut ties. For good. (ep. 8 very much confirms this.) Their relationships is NOT healthy and they just keep hurting each other in a way that can't be undone. The fact that they are sort of 'addicted' to each other (neither seems to be able to let go) only reinforces the fact that they should not have any contact with each other at all. It's quite shocking the way they behave when they should really know better.

-Loved it when JY said "She's totally my type."

-The severed-hand patient: that scene with his wife and daughter's pictures made me realise why the patient cases don't work so well for the show. We get a glimpse of him sort of promising he'll turn his life around, and it feels like the case is "over". If that's it... it's just not realistic because in real life he would have doubts again, get strong again, have doubts again... etc. This glimpse of patients can therefore just be misleading.

-I think JY is very right to say "I'm not PD Choi". Sure, some of this is his self-confidence and big ego talking, but the truth is regardless of what happened in the past, JY is a different person and this is a different relationship. Things can and should play out differently. They already are.

-The end of the episode with Sunbae Jo and Soo-Kwang commenting on the couch couple with their leek microphones... hilarious! I'm getting very fond of Soo-Kwang too, he's a sweet, good guy with some issues and somehow I really feel for him. He wants some things so earnestly, but his life is a struggle. I hope he finds the right girl (I'm afraid I don't like the schoolgirl so far at all.)

-And most important: I love the frank conversations between our couple! And their physicality with each other! Yes, these are real...

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....got cut.

Yes, these are real people who TALK and who are sexual beings (even if our heroine's struggles with physical intimacy). No pretending, no fly-by kisses in this drama.

Final note: I think we are going towards heart wrenching territory though, I feel like this drama is going to pull out some dark secrets for several characters.

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Jy is super smart, he gets others and knows himself so well that he can compartmentalize with another "him." For that reason, I don't think he and HS are on the same page - she is purely dealing with the block she has with intimacy, but he is on thin ice that is about to crack. I am worried for HS the most in terms of her safety. However, I am terribly worried about where JY's mind will take him. His writer's block seems to be an indication that things are about to explode - as if his being able to write pushed the imminent problems forward and out of sight (except for when his brother is sprung and shows up to harm JY). Tangly. I really like this show. JY and HS can really dish it, but when the walls are down, how honest will they be is the question. I think she is willing to be honest, but I don't thing he can fully be honest with the present. At least not yet.

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Yeah, it struck me that they are frank about some things that in other kdramas characters never are but at the same time they concealing some pretty big things.

I think you are right to say that JY might not be honest when walls are down – though I don't think this has to do as much with others as with himself. There are things he can't be honest to himself about, to the point that he's in total denial and suppressing things (so not just compartmentalised but completely 'erased' from his mind. Except of course that it's not erased, but just lying dormant).

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I agree there are things he is likely suppressing, I'm not sure that he's deliberately concealing things from her. Even things like seeing Kang-woo, he believes he IS seeing and hearing him. He believes earnestly in what he thinks is real.

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Oh, I don't think either that he's deliberately concealing things from her. I think everything he's concealing at this point (other than perhaps the fact that he's communicating with her mom behind her back, which I'm sure he knows she's not going to be happy about) are things that literally things he doesn't realise have happened/are happening.

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I think what he can't face is compartmentalized inGang Woo - so that it is another person's life and problems that he deals with, not his. (maybe compartmentalize isn't the best term). So, no, it is not intentional in that he things he is dealing with Gang Woo's reality, not his. It was scary when he answered the phone and HS said she didn't hear it ring. Right now an alarm isn't going off in her head, but it won't be long before she puts 2 and 2 together to realize his reality is affected. Poor JY, love him so much, really hate that his (and his family's) younger years were so traumatic. HS can work through her disorder (she's off to a good start with the cliffhanger, oh year!), but JY - I am very concerned. Clearly their safety is compromised with such unsavory characters in their circles (ex, other ex, and brother for starters).

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JY is clearly suppressing a lot of emotional baggage, So much that he has made up an imaginary friend in Kang Woo which is pretty much an image of the young himself he is trying to protect. His pain goes really deep, while HS's is very on the surface and can be cured depending on others(like she stated to Hwan Hee the genitalia patient)
Not sure I am writing this thought right though.

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Pretty much agreeing with everything you said -- not only in this comment but throughout the whole discussion post.

And you mention a good point regarding the weekly cases. I also think they don't work so well because they simply pale in comparison to all the rich, overarching storytelling going on at the side. Not to mention how the treatment of the patients often lacks the complexity and importance it should deserve. I still shudder thinking about that poor OCD patient in Hae-Soo's office who had to touch her trash can contents... and was never heard from again if I recall correctly.

Also a big fat YES to our protagonist being two sexual beings and how this perception is also directly tied to how comfortable and frank they are with each other. I also love how this frankness, sometimes even bluntness, extends to several of the minor characters, making them and their relationships seem more real and charming.

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I loved the leek microphone commentary.

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I'm having a really hard time hanging with this drama. The story is very good, and much more layered than most. The actors, especially GHJ, have fantastic cred they bring to the work. But there's something about the writing, directing, and pacing that makes this a struggle for me to stay with. This seems more in style with a Kmovie than a Kdrama. Still, gotta hang in there for GHJ.

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Thanks for a great recap :)

The scene where Jae-yeol is stabbed repeatedly with the needle by his brother was hard to watch. I know that Jae-bum has suffered in jail presumably over a crime he didn't commit and I do feel for him because of his awful life while living with the stepfather, but as Sunbae Jo said, if that needle had contained amytal, Jae-yeol could well have been dead by now, even if it was unintentional.

Jae-bum is a dangerous, violent person and he should not be allowed to go near his brother until after he attends many, many therapy sessions. I'm hoping Sunbae Jo acts on this because Jae-yeol, for reasons we might not yet know about, cares more about protecting his brother than his own safety, so I'm hoping his friends will protect him..

Where has Jo In-sung been in all my k-drama life? For me, he has popped out of nowhere and now I'm addicted to his adorable smile!

I really like the developing relationship between Jae-yeol and Hae-soo. They can be so awkward to watch at times then so adorably cute. They just seem like the perfect support for each other and I'm hoping, with so much more that they have to get through, that they make it until the very end.

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This episode (after making me yell at my screen in its first few minutes) made me smile like an idiot with every JY and HS moments I can't focus on other characters. They are just so adorable, specially Jae-yeol. (Can I have a boyfriend like him?) ^^
But I can't help thinking why big bro Jaebum was sent to prison instead of mental institution (at least after the incindent where he stabbed his brother)since he's sick psychologically. It would have helped him undertand his situation and not be fixated on getting his revenge which being in prison caused him.
Thanks gummimochi. :)

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That one scene when Hae-Soo comforts Jae-Yeol silently was perfection. Somehow, the pain felt so real and it got me teary.

I just love this drama.

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Loved that too... as well as their phone conversation. Exactly my style. Perfect! :D

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When she [awkwardly] hugs him, JY's face goes from a fake smile to a real moment of vulnerability in a split second.

It's so beautiful. Well done JIS. I can see why this writer loves him so much.

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Yeah ughh, so heart wrenching I've watched that scene more than once...

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I HAVE A FEELING THAT ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS WILL DIE OR GET SERIOUSLY ILL.

I FEEL LIKE JANG JAE YEOL'S ILLNESS WILL PROGRESS AND I FEEL LIKE ITS THE SAME AS HYE SOO'S DAD'S SICKNESS.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOooOooOooOoooooooooooooooOooOooOoooooooooooooooOooOooOooooooo

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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I honestly thought this drama would be doing better rating rise with JIS and GHJ leading it but then I realized even TWTWB didn't do so well with the ratings. I guess Koreans aren't big fans on NHK's writings?

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I think it has more to do with the fact that it's so much harder to get high ratings then anything else. Plus the time slot is extremely competitive with Joseon Gunman and Fated to Love You, both good dramas in their own right.

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I think the other two dramas have pretty big-name leads that would appeal to a lot of people (plus both are several weeks ahead, so they already had solid groups of viewers when this one started airing). I'm not into the other two (JG is more mechanical than the epic sweep I was hoping for; FTL just has to many kdrama elements that I personally find annoying - although both dramas are clearly well-cast and have good things about them.).

The other thing is that It's Okay, It's Love isn't the usual type of kdrama – it's very much doing things its own way, it's unpredictable in its storyline and with its characters. Our couple is a COUPLE after the first few episodes (rather than pretending not to like each other for 14 episodes and then finally admitting their feelings in the final episodes). It's also breaking taboos by speaking openly about sex, mental issues, domestic violence and institutional failures (i.e. JY's family not getting the help when they needed it). You've got things like divorce without the divorcees being branded as people who deserve unhappiness (as happens in a lot of kdramas without any questioning). This however also means there will be a whole lot of viewers who will not warm up to it.

To me it's like an indie movie vs. some blockbusters – the former, no matter how good, original, well-acted, (etc.) it is will never get as many viewers as the latter.

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The explicit references to sex might make things too uncomfortable to watch with family. A lot of fans have said so anyway. Fans might choose to stream the show on their own later.

Also, while I love the show overall, it is a bit slow. I get why it doesn't have as much mass appeal as the other two shows. People not watching the show are seriously missing out though.

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What's the fixation with ratings anyway? They're not accurate quality indicators. Look at The Heirs for eg., good ratings but, so bleh!

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Exactly! Also if you check, there was this article showing how in terms of live streaming It's Okay that's Love was completely dominating the other two dramas! i saw an article showing how twitter in Korea most of the topics trending was related to It's Okay That's Love and I think that's what really matters!

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Well the other two dramas in the same slot are also not doing well in terms of ratings. Korean dramas in general lately don't get as much viewers as they used to. The barely get in the 2digits...

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It's Jae Yeol's Old Female Friend, Hyeri From Dating Agency Cyrano???? I think it's the same actress, anyone knows??

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Yes she is. She was the silent guy's girlfriend.

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I have a bad feeling about where this drama is going, it's a dark dark place, hope i'm wrong :(

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So far this is my favorite episode <3333 God I'm in love with this drama seriously. INSUNG OPPA LOOKS SO HOT AND GONG HYO JIN<3333333
Also, does anyone knows what song that played when JY and HS were eating ice cream? I can't stop thinking about that song :(((((((

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Jae-bum character might not be mentally ill person. Two other possibilities to consider: First. Abused kids develop different defense mechanisms to survive.
Some become as violent as their abusers in order to scare them off; some create an imaginary world or friends to escape to and heal the traumatized mind. It's all about survival mode our brains and bodies go into.
Second. Jae-bum might be a genetic sociopath like his father (if the raving man was his bio-dad, not a step-father) or, again, he could have had developed the sociopathic behavior as a defense shield from abuse at home AND in prison. Don't forget that he, unlike his younger brother, continued to be in a hostile environment that breeds sociopathy as a default condition for prisoners to survive.

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After seeing Hae Soo's teasing behavior where she teases and titillates without delivering, I think I can better understand PD Choi's behavior of why he cheated on Hae Soo. I don't condone or excuse his cheating, but Hae Soo must have been a brat to him and he just couldn't handle her anymore. He must have been in agony!

Sunbae Jo and Doctor Lee have so much chemistry, I feel like telling them to hit the sack already. It's a shame he's already married to someone else.

I have a feeling that Hae Soo's mom is going to end up being best buddies with Jae Yul. I wish the show would del ve a bit more into her relationship with President Kim. Her outburst that she was not ashamed of her relationship with Pres. Kim and the phone call asking after his wife and cancer treatment seem to spell more than just a sexual relationship.

As for Jae Bum he's a ticking time bomb that needs to be diffused before he explodes. Perhaps his psychiatrist SHOULD give him the Amytal so he can learn the truth of what happened that day. Hopefully he can accept it.

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Yup yup yup same thoughts as to feeling sympathy for Choi. If you want him to respect your aversion to physical intimacy, maybe you should not stimulate his need for it?! He was still wrong in that if he knew he couldn't stand it he should have told straight up and moved on, but that was almost cruel of her.
(Unless you think of it as her trying to desensitize or whatever herself but it doesn't really seem that way so...)

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I don't sympathise with Choi because there's no excuse to cheat. It's clear that Hae-soo wasn't the right girlfriend for him – she didn't meet his needs (and I don't mean this in any weird, patronising way). As much that was a flaw in her character, he should have either addressed that issue with her (as JY ends up doing) or broken up.

Instead, he's pining after her now. I get that he was in agony, but it was his choice to do something about it – and cheating wasn't the way to go, not if he truly wanted a relationship with HS.

As for HS, obviously she doesn't know her boundaries or understand the effect her physical teasing has... fortunately, JY makes that clear to her (don't want to say too much, because while it starts in ep 7, most of it happens in ep 8).

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THIS DRAMA IS MY LIFE. amazing, fresh, interesting. really into it

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BTW: The latest ratio of sociopathy is 1 in every 25 people. In Dramaland it's usually 1 in every 2 ...leading males, mother-in-law stereotypes, chaebol/politician fathers, and jealous second female leads. Nice to see a sociopath (Jae-bum) in a show with the real credentials/reasons, for a change.

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1. This Wednesday-Thursday time slot is ridiculous this cycle! I love IOTL SO much and I wish it were in first ratings-wise- but then I realize that Josean and Fated are awesome too and… I can't…
2. JIS KILLS in scenes where he gets beat up! I know that sounds weird, but every time that happens my heart just breaks for him, and I remember in That Winter he got stabbed, and at another point pummeled and tossed into the middle of the street, and I just fell for him when I saw those.

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Have you seen What Happens In Bali....

You'll stab your eyes out with all the makjang in there buuuuut if you like seeing JIS get beat up, it's definitely the drama for you.

LOL

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this drama make me cry .... T.T

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"Once she leaves, Soo-kwang gives Jae-yeol the lowdown on what will happen next: Hae-soo will oblige with kisses and touch him, but that’ll be it. Whenever Jae-yeol wants to be more physically intimate, Hae-soo will act all innocent about it, and if they’re lucky, their relationship will last for about 300 days."...perhaps something got lost in translation while I was watching this scene but it makes me very angry because essentially these two men are talking about how if a woman give kisses and cuddle time, she is obligated to have sex with the man sooner than later. And Soo-kwang is also implying that Hae-soo is a tease because she does all this knowing that the guy will get work up but she will not give them the "satisfaction" and this convo given within the rape culture is SO SO WRONG!

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I'm not quite seeing what you mean here.

I think they are just pointing out that people in a normal relationship normally have sex after some time, not that it's any obligation. There are people in platonic/asexual relationships, which is fine too but I think it's fair to say that that is atypical.

Hae-soo IS a tease. She allowed to touch and kiss when she feels like it and however much, but she doesn't allow the same for the guy. If she touches and kisses, she can't be surprised that the guy will get aroused – it's a normal, physical reaction. She might be 'skewed' in her understanding of the situation since she's never had sex and physically reacts when things cross the line for her but at her age and in her profession I would expect her to have some understanding that kissing will get some physical reaction that will make the other person wish (not demand) for more.

JY makes it clear pretty well that that's too much for him – i.e. that he's willing to stick by her choice NOT to have sex (although he's ready to and would like to now), but that it does make him feel sexually frustrated (which is normal as well). His way of dealing with that is to set up boundaries (stopping her from touching him, which he has as much right to do as she has) or to physically remove himself from the situation (perhaps to take care of his needs otherwise). None of that points towards a rape situation. You can't blame people for getting physically aroused, it's what they do about it (involving others or not, with or without consent) would put it into a rape context. I'm not seeing this at all here.

I can't believe we are having this kind of conversation about a kdrama. Who thought this kind of topic would be ever be displayed so openly!

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I don't think this is a conversation about Hye-soo owing her partners sex because she gets them all worked up and is a tease. Soo-kwang is bluntly (because he is a blunt tell-it-like-it-is kind of guy) giving Jae-yeol her history with men and letting him know what he can expect. And sure enough, soon she lies down and puts her head in Jae-yeol's lap. I don't think he's criticizing Hye-soo's behaviour. He wants Jae-yeol to back off and is not condoning rape culture at all.

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Oh Rossi, I hope this scene doesn't ruin the show for you. (I actually had to go back and rewatch this scene because it explains JY's actions in ep 8.) I think he's just reminding JY of HS trauma/condition. HS had made a promise to her ex that they would celebrate their 300th day by sleeping together. She had to work through her anxiety first of course. I think he's just reminding JY that they might not even stay together long enough. That JY should be prepared to staying PG with HS (because in this dramaland, couples have sex.. even affairs).

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Like others here I am enjoying IOIL's depiction of human sexuality as a positive thing with many facets. It's not just sexuality's physical aspects but also about the ability to achieve intimacy with another person emotionally, intellectually and spiritually. Both Jae-yeol and Hye-soo are coming at the problem from opposite ends of the equation.

For Jae-yeol it's all about the interlocking body parts. He has been incapable of true intimacy with his sex partners and he has had many of these. He wants Hye-soo physically but in order to "get" her, as in have sex with her, he has to move out of his comfort zone and be intimate with her emotionally, intellectually and spiritually. He has to "get" her, as in understand why she is the way she is, and in doing so certain things about why he is the way he is are being revealed.

Hye-soo has a phobia about the physical component of her sexuality, the interlocking body parts. She is capable of bringing her previous boyfriends right to the brink of this but she is incapable of making the final step to actual physical intimacy because she has an anxiety attack. Jae-yeol is engaging in systematic desensitization therapy here even if he isn't a therapist. They have identified the problem, her phobia about the actual physical act of sex, and are desensitizing her to it in slow, gentle and very pleasurable stages.

Unfortunately Jae-yeol's problems go far beyond the scope of systemic desensitization therapy as a cure-all but it's a good start. I think he is suffering from very severe PTSD.

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Seriously, I'm not interested in Jae Yeol and Hae Soo getting into bed... it's their sweet interactions, that I love to watch. But this show is making a big deal out of it (two day outing = booty call? seriously?). While they have good chemistry, it is not the fiery kind that arouses sexual desires... it's off-beat romance... mature and funny.

I also think that Jae Bum is not crazy, per se. Violent, yes.. Stupid, yes.. Dangerous, yes.. but not crazy. And I guess Jae-Yeol lets him off the hook, becoz he feels guilty (for you know what)

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Well, the thing is that one person in this show is supposedly a player and presumably has a high sex drive... so from his perspective "two day outing with the girl he really digs = booty call" is not unrealistic.

Of course, not everyone would be like that, and from my perspective, given they have not been together for very long, it's too soon but then again, that depends on where you stand.

Some people have one night stands, others won't have sex until they are married.

The show is making a big deal out of... well, because there are two characters that are the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of sex.

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I'm not sure if this is discussed elsewhere in IOTL recap, but I searched online about what could possibly cause KW and JY's hand/ finger problems. I could only narrow down to one illness, writer's cramp/mogigraphia/scrivener's palsy. It's a certain kind focal dystonia. Maybe any beanies could shed some light?

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Episode 8 drops a hint....

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I can't figure out why I feel like a robot when I watch this show. I like watching it but it doesn't invoke any kind of emotion from me. Weird.

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Do you think it has any redeemable qualities to make it truly worthwhile watching for you? It's funny, I had a similar reaction to some other dramas because the main protagonists just didn't connect with me on a human level -- they felt like chewing on cardboard.

With this drama, though, almost every character feels so lively and full of momentum. They evoke such a myriad of conflicting emotions in me that watching becomes sometimes both pleasure and pain. Of course not every drama is like that and not every drama feels the same to each individual viewer. I, too, have some issues with this show but these are minor compared to the joy and utter excitement I experience with almost every episode.

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I just thought to myself that I would love to see Hae-soo and Jae-Yeol discussing his books a little bit further: Why he decided to switch genres, what she exactly liked about his romance novels (or whether she just likes them in general) and how, if even, they -- as a genre, not his body of work in particular -- correspond to her understanding of romantic relationships as whole.

Also, I have finally watched the new episode and it turns out that these two are absolutely perfect and that I will be a blubbering mess once things start to go bad.

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[Spoiler!!!!!]

And the show has gone and given you a little bit of that conversation you wanted ;)

Yes they're perfection: that part up in the tree house, where JY said he loves it that he could have serious conversations with her? I want that kind of relationship!

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Ahhh… the perfect ice cream cone with the lids on 'em. I miss those. Twas the sweetest moment in this episode. Darn refreshing too… in this Summer heat. (Gah, I'm melting over in SoCal.)

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If Jae Bum doesn't kill Jae Yul first, blue balls will. Hehhhh.

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I am waiting for Hae-Soo to find out about Jae-Yeol's mental state. I hope they don't stretch it out until the final week & use it to tear them apart or something. I hope she finds out by next week. & I hope Hae-Soo is the first one to find out, before Jae-Yeol. I hope they don't make Jae-Yeol find out first & use that noble idiocy thing where he breaks her heart & stuff. Cause dude, I am drowning in these stories =.= also! So yes, I hope Hae-Soo finds out next week cause not only will that mean they are breaking away from the tropes but also that Jae-Yeol can then get treated ASAP.

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Okay, I not sure if someone already mentioned this, but what is the deal with JY's cell phone?? In his fight with JB, his phone, that HS is trying to reach him at falls out, but then later his mom calls him on a different phone. What??

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I know this is really late, but what does Jae Yeol's reply ('Am I included too? No way.') and Soo Kwang and Dong Min's surprised/excited expressions plus their response ('What is this? Is it a home run?') mean? I know they were talking about sex, but what did Jae Yeol's response exactly mean that made them think that he was really planning on doing it with Hye Soo?

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