Heirs: Episode 12
by girlfriday
So, this is crazy, but STUFF ACTUALLY HAPPENS. I know. I wouldn’t believe me either, so I wrote it down just in case. Eun-sang makes a decision, Young-do actually begins to feel feelings (I think), and Tan takes a stand for something. I wish I could tell you that this changes everything, but let’s not look a plot horse in the mouth, eh?
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Moon Myung-jin – “또 운다 (Cry Again)” for The Heirs OST [ Download ]
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EPISODE 12 RECAP
This time our love triangle plays Come With Me, No With ME in the middle of what must be the longest red light crosswalk known to man. Either that or obeying traffic signals is for the little people.
Tan sticks out his hand and asks Eun-sang to turn metaphor into reality (or is it the other way around) and take his hand to go forward with their relationship. (I didn’t promise it’d be a deep metaphor, did I?)
Eun-sang slowly raises her hand up to his, but Tan can tell this isn’t her reaching out to him—it’s a goodbye. He yells at her not to do this, but she says they’ve come a long way already, and they can’t go any farther.
With that she lets go, forces a smile through her tears, and gives a casual “I’ll see you around” before walking off. Young-do says rather sincerely at Tan: “You’re still always making people leave you.”
Young-do catches up to Eun-sang and quizzically examines her tear-stained face, as if trying to compute what leaky ailment has possessed her. He complains that people will think he kidnapped her (well, you’re not wrong), and when she bursts into a full sob, his response is: “I want to party. Why are you crying?” Pfft. This right here is why you suck at human role-play.
He asks if she wants to ditch first period and party, and even through her sobs she manages to throw a barb his way: “Ninety-eighth place would say that.” He watches her go with a long face, sighing to himself that she refuses to be caught.
Okay, so I died laughing to discover that after all the dramatics in the intersection, Tan and Eun-sang share first period gym. I guess “see you around” meant see you in twenty. He walks into class and stares moony-eyed at her, which she doesn’t notice until Chan-young and Bo-na walk in.
Bo-na runs over to Eun-sang and asks where she ran off to so early, and from the other side of the gym, Tan asks Chan-young if he housed Eun-sang for the night. Chan-young knows nothing about Eun-sang sleeping elsewhere last night, which only freaks Tan out more. The clues are tipping in Young-do’s direction—she’s been to his hotel room before, and he found them together this morning looking awfully chummy.
He runs into Young-do in the locker room and asks if Eun-sang cried a lot this morning, and Young-do refuses to answer his questions, which is maybe the first thing he’s done that I actually like. Tan tells him plainly not to think of this as an opportunity to win Eun-sang over: “This opportunity—it’s mine.”
Young-do doesn’t say anything in response, but then sits around googling Eun-sang all afternoon. Bo-na and Myung-soo rifle through the photos from their camping trip, and come across a telltale pattern—Young-do gazing at Eun-sang over and over again in every picture.
They both whirl around and exclaim, “Do you like Cha Eun-sang for real?” Young-do looks at the pictures and smiles to realize that’s what he looks like when he’s looking at Eun-sang. Myung-soo can’t understand why of all the girls in the world that’s his first love, and Bo-na can’t believe it’s taken him this long to have a first love.
Tan comes home to a nagging Madam Han who interrogates him about having any more contact with Eun-sang. He asks his mom if she’s genuinely happy living this way—never being introduced to anyone as his mother—and she answers honestly that it makes her sad, but it’s all worth it for his future.
He points out that if he marries Rachel and all that comes with it, he may never get to introduce his mother as his mother. But despite her feelings, she doesn’t budge on her stance about his future and about Eun-sang. He lets it go for now, and asks her give back the bunny socks she’s been wearing all this time, saying that they’re his. Ha.
Eun-sang spends her afternoon apartment hunting and calls Mom to bring her a change of clothes.
Tan calls Hyo-shin out and casually drops the bomb in his lap that Director Jung isn’t his biological mother. Hyo-shin thinks it’s a joke at first, but Tan says he’s testing out the confession, to see how it feels. He admits he’s shaking, and decides to run another lap to sort out his thoughts.
Won now has his guard up around Manager Yoon, not knowing what kind of things they can even talk about anymore. Manager Yoon doesn’t pretend to be on Won’s side, but tries to soften the blow when showing him the article that’s going to be published tomorrow, of Hyun-joo’s new position at Jeguk, courtesy of the lifetime commitment to charity on behalf of his family.
Won’s face hardens to realize this is why Manager Yoon was meeting with her, and then he basically implodes to find out it was all his father’s doing. Ah, so this is her equivalent of the envelope of money sliding across the table. She gets the big dream job in exchange for leaving Won.
He storms home and opens the door to Dad’s study, to find Hyun-joo sitting there waiting for him. Dad points out that this is all Won’s doing, and if he had taken care of his love life properly, Dad wouldn’t have to step in like this.
Chairman Dad says in no uncertain terms that Hyun-joo spat in the face of his generosity by daring to date his son, and Won does nothing while she says she understands and walks out. You deserve to lose her.
She leaves the house crying (Why is this the norm around here?) and runs into Tan. He stops to ask if she’s okay, and she recognizes him right away. She just asks that he holds his brother back, and leaves him wondering who she is.
Won steps out, and Tan tells hyung where the girl went and that he’s supposed to hold him back. He asks what’s going on, and of course Won doesn’t tell him, though he does add a tip that he should be careful because Dad’s hired people to spy on them. Nothing like scary invasive fathers to bring estranged brothers together, eh? This family.
After seeing Won zoom off with no intention of going after the girl, Tan feels compelled to go find her. He finds her at the bus stop and sits down next to her, and conveys the message that hyung isn’t coming.
He asks if she’s his brother’s girlfriend and how she recognized him earlier—does hyung ever talk about him? Hyun-joo says he did, and repeats Won’s words: “My little brother is affectionate, honest, he’s grown very tall, and his eyes are just like mine.” Aw, did he really say those things?
They sit there in silence, and Tan remains there long after Hyun-joo has gone.
Mom gets dressed to go meet Eun-sang, and tells Madam Han that she’ll work until the end of the month, after which she’ll have to hire new help. Madam Han is hilariously broken up about it but trying not to let it show, and freaks out when she thinks Mom is leaving the house right this instant.
I’m pretty sure she would’ve cried, but Mom says she’s just going out on an errand, and Madam Han calms down. How will you live without her?
Mom waits for Eun-sang outside the convenience store, where Young-do happens to plop down at the table next to hers. He calls Eun-sang for a date and gets rejected, only when she arrives to meet Mom, Young-do is there in plain sight.
Thinking quickly, she calls him back and agrees to eat with him, making him meet her elsewhere. She ducks out of sight until he’s gone and meets with Mom to tell her that she’s looking for a place and sleeping at a friend’s house.
She goes to meet Young-do, who notes that she’s coming from the direction of the convenience store, and then he sees the shopping bag in her hand that Mom had. A light bulb goes off in his head and he tells her to wait here and rides off. Uh-oh.
He waits at Tan’s front gate, and sure enough, Mom arrives home after meeting with Eun-sang. He’s suddenly all sweet and polite as he asks if Eun-sang is home and if she’s her mom, and after getting away with a nod here and there, Mom finally has to type a reply into her phone that Eun-sang is at work.
He passes by Tan on the way out, but remains cryptic about his reason for being here. Seconds later, Tan gets a text from Won that they’re playing golf tomorrow with Young-do and his father. Wait, we’re putting metal clubs into their hands? Who thought this was a good idea?
Young-do finds Eun-sang long gone, but he waits anyway and she gets a text from Mom that her friend on a motorcycle came to see her. She runs back in a panic, and as Young-do watches her approach, he says to himself that it’s Explanation 6 (for why she lives at Tan’s house): daughter of housekeeper, with a disability.
She knows that he’s figured out the whole story now, and asks what he’s going to do, not caring if he wants to tell everyone or harass her for it—she just asks what she should prepare herself for. He doesn’t seem very interested in lording the secret over her head, but she’s fixated on what new brand of torture he’s cooking up, and demands a response.
Young-do blurts that he has no idea: “I don’t even know what to do about my own scars! What am I going to do with yours?! I was just sad when you weren’t here, and I’m happy that you’re back, and your secret is heavy, and that’s it.”
She still doesn’t believe he won’t do something to her, and points out that that’s what he does to others, to her. But he says that’s why he can’t do anything to her now, and decides they’ll have to eat together another time and rides away.
The golf date rolls around and both Won and Young-do’s father remind each of the boys that a business deal is at stake. They remain civil enough for a while, until Young-do asks nonchalantly if the kids at school would be more shocked to hear about Tan being the son of a concubine or Eun-sang being the daughter of a housekeeper.
Tan recites his usual stay-away-from-Eun-sang line, but this time Young-do turns it around to say that he’s not threatening Eun-sang with what he knows; he’s threatening Tan with it. He says that if Tan stops protecting Eun-sang, Young-do will protect them all, and keep their secrets. Dude, even when you’re doing the good thing, why must you find the most evil reason to do it?
Tan says he’s been trying his best not to live like his past self, but threatens to return to that if he has to beat Young-do. He takes out his claws and says he’ll retaliate as Jeguk Group’s second son, and go after his father, his father’s company, and everything he owns. Young-do scoffs that it’s big talk for an illegitimate child, but Tan points out that he’s still his father’s son.
Another flashback to their past brings us to the moment Tan had warned Young-do he’d regret it for the rest of his life. Present Young-do says he should’ve come sooner, but Tan says he was mad at him, and held it against him for all of five minutes…
But those five minutes turn out to be the last chance Young-do had to eat a meal with his mother before she left him. The boys run in to find a table set for two, and his mother long gone.
Tan says now that Young-do is the one who lost the chance to see his mother because he was so stubbornly trying to win against Tan. He warns him again not to touch Eun-sang, and pleads with him to let this fight go: “I don’t have the time to fight with you because I’m preparing for a bigger battle.”
At school the next day, Eun-sang can’t help but be disappointed when Tan walks by her locker without acknowledging her. She meets Bo-na in the broadcast room and sees the mound of presents for Hyo-shin from his fangirls (he won a student short film contest). Bo-na tells her that Young-do likes her thinking it’s a big secret, and Eun-sang awkwardly pretends to be surprised.
Tan comes by to congratulate Hyo-shin on the film contest, which is obviously an excuse to be in the room. But my favorite part is Bo-na’s firm belief that he’s here to see her, which she says out loud to everyone. HA.
Hyo-shin chitchats with him and asks why he really came by, and Tan just stops with his back turned to the room to say it’s because he missed her, without the “her.”
Tan goes to Director Jung to apologize about ruining brunch with Rachel’s family last time, and asks her to invite them to dinner so he can fix things. Meanwhile Rachel attends one of her mother’s work parties, and learns the shocking tidbit that Ye-sol’s mom is a room salon madam.
Director Jung finds the in-law dinner a perfect excuse to put Madam Han in her place, and invites everyone over to the house on purpose. Madam Han comes out to find her hanging a family picture in the living room, and is brought to tears when she’s told that Tan is the one who set this dinner up.
While that’s going on at home, Tan is waiting for Eun-sang to arrive at work, and asks, “Are you happy now that you moved out? Are you happy now that you don’t see me? Are you happy now that you’ve let go of my hand?”
She deflects and tells him to go home, and he kisses her instead. He says he’s not really one to listen to her (yeah no kidding) and pouts about how she left him standing in that dangerous intersection and didn’t even call to check on him, when she obviously missed him too.
She denies it, so he kisses her again, daring her to lie one more time. He finally tells her what he came here to say—not to come home tonight, no matter who calls.
Back at the House of Two Moms, Madam Han stubbornly stands her ground in the hallway, refusing to leave. But Madam Jung knows to call her bluff, and tells the maid to open the door and let the guests in, and of course Madam Han has no choice but to run to her room in tears.
Mom comes in to comfort her and gives her updates on the dinner, which she’s grateful for. Downstairs, the family goes through their usual round of pleasantries over dinner, and Tan shows up late with apologies.
He asks to show Rachel his room, and once he has her alone he apologizes in advance for what he’s about to do. He says he’s going to show her what it is that Young-do saw when he came over.
Madam Jung comes in to rub the whole thing in the mistress’s face, and notes that she’s seen her look the same way eighteen years ago when she caught her sneaking around with her husband. She throws a glass of water in her face for emphasis, and Tan comes in to see his mother get crushed yet again.
He steps in to wipe the water from her face sweetly, and even Madam Jung can’t hide her jealousy at that. Tan takes his mother’s hand and asks her not to let go, and then leads her out of the room. Omo.
He takes her out to the living room, and Rachel’s mom recognizes her as Eun-sang’s mother. Tan says she’s mistaken, and announces in plain words that this is his biological mother, and he is an illegitimate child.
His mom cowers in fear the entire time, but he refuses to let go of her hand. He apologizes for the lies, and breaks the engagement knowing that it’ll now be mutual on both sides. Rachel’s mom fumes in indignation and hauls Rachel out, and Madam Jung chases after them.
Dad is livid and gets up to slap Tan across the face. Twice. Mom cries that it was all her fault and she put him up to it, but Tan doesn’t let her take the fall for him, and tells his father that he’s not sorry. He says he’ll apologize if he ever comes to regret his actions today, but he’s fairly confident he won’t regret them.
He challenges Dad to kick him to the curb if he likes, “But Mom is your woman, so you take responsibility for her.” He finally lets out the breath he’s been holding all this time, and Mom cries, asking how he could drop a bomb like this.
She continues sobbing up in his room, and asks why he did it when she endured so much to give him this life. He apologizes sincerely for thinking differently and just sits at her feet as she cries.
Eun-sang is distracted all evening at work, knowing that something is up with Tan. When she goes out to throw away the trash, she finds him standing outside waiting for her. As soon as he sees her, his eyes well up with tears and he starts to cry, and without knowing why, Eun-sang mirrors his tears and cries too.
COMMENTS
Okay, so I’m just resigned to the fact that I’m never going to understand why in this world, Eun-sang saying goodbye means Come by and kiss me whenever you please, because in MY world, when a girl says goodbye, she means goodbye. I don’t even blame Tan as the only culprit here, because this writer likes to have her heroines say the opposite of what they’re feeling, thinking it romantic when a man refuses to listen to her words because he can see through to “what she really means.” Why it doesn’t occur to her that this is a slippery slope and a dangerous game (Uh, no means no, anyone?) is beyond me, but I feel like I’ve just got that fundamental block with her and I’m just never going to get over it.
I’m not trying to harp on it, but in all honesty it’s just a thing that keeps me from engaging with the romance emotionally, because Eun-sang is clearly acting like a person who wants to be with Tan, but saying things to keep him at arm’s length. It makes me frustrated with both of them—him for not listening to her and her for constantly giving him the misdirects in the first place—when all I really want to do is just root for a couple who wants to be together. Running away once because you’re scared, okay fine. Running away twelve times gives me the impression that you don’t want to be with him, so if you DO want to be with him, stop being so confusing. A stalker’s resilience is not a thing I want cultivated in my hero. Just sayin’.
The same can be said of Young-do, really, whose behavior does so many cartwheels of assiness to hide the vulnerability that he doesn’t want exposed, that by the time we FINALLY get to some human emotions and signs of a soft underbelly, I’m too far gone (and so is Eun-sang) that his nice behavior is circumspect. I do believe that he likes her, and if she really is the first girl he’s ever liked, okay, I even understand that it’s the first time he’s trying out foreign feelings, and why he ends up blurting emotional vomit at her like a boy who’s angry at the girl he likes for being pretty. You’re new. Fine. But you don’t get extra points for that. That’s just your bad. I’m sorry you’re at an emotional disadvantage because of your militant cyborg upbringing, but you know what would be impressive? Maybe you overcome said disadvantage and be a good person anyway.
I was disappointed that the boys just returned to their same cyclical dynamic when it seemed like there might be a glimmer of hope once Young-do had real feelings for Eun-sang and a vested interest in winning her over after she rejected Tan. But they continue to make this all about them, and that just makes me continue to roll my eyes. At least Tan DOES something in this episode, which is sadly such a rare occurrence around here that I was shocked. The mom reveal was a rather sweet mother-son moment, and I was happy that he at least stood his ground for one relationship in his life. In that respect he really is better than Won, who simply stood by as the love of his life was crushed and ousted from his life without even getting to confess how he really felt. Talk about a pitiful character.
I really liked Tan’s brush with Hyun-joo in this episode, because they’re strangers and yet so similar in that moment. I just liked their silent connection at the bus stop, both hurt by the same person and both wanting to be loved by the same person, knowing he’s not coming for either of them. I would hope that witnessing his hyung’s sad romance go down like that might make Tan a little more proactive so that history doesn’t repeat itself with Eun-sang. I’m just hoping Tan’s apathy and inaction is officially a thing of the past. Action Tan, are you here to stay? And while you’re at it, could you maybe get Says What She Means Eun-sang and Soft Underbelly Young-do to come visit more often? I so do like it when they come to play.
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101 Mee-Ra
November 15, 2013 at 7:44 AM
OK. Solid episode. Loves it. Great Recap, salute!
However, what's up with the chaste kiss??? Please makes it hearthrobing and steamy. Passionate and hot. Sexy but pretty. Edward and Bella kissing for the first time... Han Hyo Joo and Go Soo kissing in Love 911. Lois and Clark in Man of Steel...
Those r just minor example for what kisses should b all about ;)
So, take it up a notch or two please... Either ES KT of ES YD
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102 suki
November 15, 2013 at 7:55 AM
Drama viewers are quite forgiving, aren't we? We hang on to the slightest sliver of redemption hope we find in this drama. After seeing ep 11 comments I was wondering if the characters or us viewers were more angsty? Seriously hoping a truck off doom would run over those three pretty faces sounds a lot more violent than high school fights.
I looked back at all the screen captures and indeed every single person in this show had pink fuchsia lips, including Mom. Only person spared was Chairman Kim.
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windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 9:46 PM
The Truck of Doom would not kill them, just give them all amnesia.
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103 fantasma
November 15, 2013 at 8:03 AM
There's something I'm really trying to understand: is gratitude such a big deal for koreans? Because here in my country... Let's Just say it's not at all.
I'm asking this because for me is kinda difficult to understand why HJ feels so obligated to The chairman that she Will let him control her life even if she no longer depends on him to Live and study. People are asking why Won did not deffend her, but why didn't she deffend herself? Why she stayed there listening to those awful things without a word? She earns her own money now and she doesn't owe him her Life and dignity.
If her character is supposed to mirror ES are we supposed to believe that ES Will be Just as spineless once she graduates? I mean, Just like she's now?
I was hoping she (HJ) would stand up and say: "thank you for all you did for me, but I didn't sell myself. I Will do my own choices"
She knows He doesn't need her to Be a teacher at Jeguk, He Just wants to keep her under His thumb. I don't want Won to sabe her, I want her to break The thumb on her own.
Overall, it was a better episode than The others. KT finally did something, even though I wish He hadn't shown His mom. It was His decision to out himself as illegitimate, but it was her decision to out herself as The mistress. But I guess He had good intentions at heart.
YD, I don't know what to think. I believe that this first Love story is like an experiment to him. He wants to have what Tan hás and is trying to see how it feels to love. Let's see what are The results. I'm only sad that at this point a YD/R pairing seems unlikely. And I really liked their first interactions.
ES. Crying. Again.
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windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:05 PM
No it is not. Although a bit stronger in Korea than the US, the gross exaggeration shown in most k-dramas is way over the top for real life. Same with the reason that nobody ever defends anyone against an elder or senior in k-dramas.
Public broadcast TV dramas actually have rules that they (sort of) have to adhere to - in at least one case a show was pulled off the air because a young girl slapped a "grandmother" back. That was I think in 2005, and the "TV code" is not as strict now, but it the social hierarchy is still portrayed as fixed in stone in dramas.
Quite often if you compare such content in the broadcast shows vs the cable shows, you will see a lot more leeway in the cable shows. It is quite significant that what is now called the Korean Media Rating Board not long ago was called "South Korea Art and Culture Ethics Committee". The key word there is "culture ethics".
And just BTW, Japanese music and shows are forbidden to be broadcast on public airways.
So while South Korea might have most of the elements of free speech (and it has improved a LOT since 1990), it still has some odd restrictions.
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fantasma
November 16, 2013 at 1:07 AM
Oh, thank you for The explanation. Now I can get somethings better. :)
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104 sayit
November 15, 2013 at 8:32 AM
Actually this week's Song of the Day should be made permanent as long as ES continues to cry. "Cry Again" how apt.
Is everyone sleeping on the job? I don't know if it is the writer who wrote all these crying scenes or the director who can't even have the sense to see what we see, all those screenshots of ES's crying face or Park Shin Hye who despite years of experience, has no clue how to infuse some creativity into her character. I mean for goodness sake, if the script demands that you cry then at least make some effort not to have that crying face in those scenes when you are not crying. I was thinking if only she had much less crying or better still a heroine who rarely cries, then the very last scene of her crying at the sight of Kim Tan's tears would have a much better impact. Instead, we are so immune to her crying that we go "So?"
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windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM
Maybe we need a new term - Crybaby Candy?
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sayit
November 15, 2013 at 11:51 PM
I was prepared for Candy but not a crybaby Candy
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105 hi
November 15, 2013 at 9:11 AM
Oh about Won is there anybody who feel like me that he is frozen inside and let nobody to warm his icy heart? his statue make me more worry than Tan.
God please you must return Hyun Joo! Other wise you will be buried inside.
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106 Adal
November 15, 2013 at 9:15 AM
Can someone help me clarify this? My understanding from this episode is that YD is angry with KT because he holds him responsible for not being around to say goodbye to his mother (to have their last meal together). If that's the case, then it is a pretty valid reason for YD to hold a grudge against KT rather than just the fact that KT witnessed his father's indiscretion and is illegitimate.
In the previous episode YD tells his friend, MS that it was in this place I lost my “Mom” and my “Friend”. And KT taunts YD that he was so busy trying to win against him, he didn’t say goodbye to his mother. So is this the real reason why the YD/KT friendship broke up? From the dynamics between them, I see that KT is forever trying to be the peacemaker, and YD is the one rejecting his overtures of friendship. The dynamic between them feels like that of a friend trying to apologize and make good, and the offended one still holding on to his hurt and refusing to forgive. It also explains YD’s statement that KT always drives people away, and may be the reason why YD didn’t go to the airport to see KT off when he was banished to the States.
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Z
November 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM
I think the Mom thing might have been a "final straw." In the flashback, Young Do refuses to listen to Tan and calls him an illegitimate child, so it looks like the friendship was already pretty broken. But, Young Do says that the restaurant was where he lost him Mom and his friend, so I'm guessing that, being around Tan reminds him that he didn't get to say goodbye to his mother, making it very hard to more on and repair the relationship.
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Lin_K
November 15, 2013 at 3:21 PM
I agree with Z.
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Lin_K
November 15, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Yes, I believe YD had a valid reason to hate Tan. And YD looked like he has let go of the hurt in episode 12. Good for him!
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Alina
November 15, 2013 at 6:28 PM
that's not a valid reason at all.the fact that he was upset at his friend for just 5 min (and he had all the rights to be angry,after being called a bastard by his best friend) ,doesn't make him responsible for what YD's mother did.
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jaglaine
November 15, 2013 at 10:52 PM
I Agree. Absolutely. The fact that KT made a huge confession regarding his birth secret to YD tells it all. He thought he could trust YD. But it turned out that he was such an SOB that he could not see beyond KT's illegitimacy. YD turned his back on his Best Friend. THAT is a betrayal to the nth degree. He is a Snob and that's that! Reminds me of the fox and the hound. At least the hound had the excuse of being an animal, he could not deny his animal instinct.
107 Z
November 15, 2013 at 10:12 AM
1) THINGS HAPPENED!!! Like, new things. Not things we've seen before! How exciting!
2) I'm happy that Tan is finally motivated to do said Things; really I am. So I feel like I'm being a little ungrateful when I say that I hate the manner in which he does them. Namely, I hate the completely unilateral way in which he makes decisions when it involves the women in his life. For instance, coming out to his Mom about his feelings for Eun-San when, obviously, the true repercussions are going to fall on her. I'm sure, even if she wanted the news to come out, that is not the way she would want it done. The same thing goes for the way he came out to Rachel's family. Just dragging his mom down the stairs and making the announcement is just terrible for her. I know she would have never agreed to it if he'd asked but, the least he could have done is told her before hand that he was going to do it no matter what so that she could prepare herself just a little. He had her looking like a lost little girl. I think he should have told Rachel before hand, as well but the repercussions are not that bad for her. I just think it's very selfish to make a big decision like that for someone, especially when you don't have any real plan for protecting them from the fallout. But whatever, it makes for some actual plot movement.
3) I don't EVER root for the slash version of Bromances... EVER. But, when Tan and Young Do were facing off on the golf course, inching closer and closer to each other, I was like "Just kiss already and get it over with; you obviously both want it. And then maybe I'll never have to watch this same argument replayed again."
4) Won is a loser. Seriously, I hope that girl never sees him again. You yourself said that you prioritized your career over her. You can't be pissy that she takes the deal when you've done absolutely nothing for her. Secretary Yoon made an excellent point in Episode 11 when he said both Won and Ester Lee made the choice to put business first and both of them expected their poor lovers with just understand and wait around indefinitely. The message was loud and clear when you blew her off so get in your fancy car and get to stepping.
5) Now that Tan has made a big step towards pursuing Eun San for real, I hope that she is the one who throws caution to the wind and comes out at school about her status and we can get all the secrets out of the way.
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Lindy
November 15, 2013 at 11:05 AM
I'm glad someone else sees Tan's outing of his illegitimacy in such a way is brutal, cruel and very disrespectful for everyone involved. He tricks his father, his fiancee, his soon-to-be mother-in-law and the woman who has been acting as his legal mother into attending what they think will be a pleasant family dinner. Meanwhile his own mother is suffering alone because of it. Then he drops his bombshell. Way to go, Tan! Unilateral is a great word for it but then he stares out with his big, vacant, moony eyes and tells his Mom, who is now seeing the carefully constructed facade of her life crumble around her, "don't get sick unless you want to punish me."
About Won, something's weird about him. I don't think he's a loser. He's spent his life being a dutiful son and choosing the family over the woman he loves. It might be he's been lied to and the reason Mr Kim is so set on giving Tan controlling interest in the company stock is that the company might actually belong to Won. All he knows is that his mother was a poor Korean-American from California. The Kim family seems to derive a lot of it's wealth from California. They are certainly always pushing almonds from their groves on everybody. Maybe Won's mother wasn't so poor after all. Maybe her family's wealth was in land and, as her heir under American law, this property is now Won's only it's being kept from him. Mr Kim has been using Won's money to further his own business ends.
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Z
November 15, 2013 at 3:47 PM
Interesting theory about Won. I, for one, never assumed that his mother was poor. All we know is that she was from America and her family made wine (and maybe almonds) so its quite possible that they were well off.
I only mean that Won is a loser in his love life. I don't think he gets to be upset that Hyun-joo took the job (signifying that she is agreeing to end the relationship). Maybe if he had made her a priority during the relationship, she would have had the confidence to reject the obvious buyout from Daddy Kim. If I were her, I wouldn't have any faith in him to stand up and protect me when people mistreated me because of my upbringing. He hasn't given her any reason to have faith in his love for her so he has no right to be angry. The fallout was more his doing than it was his father's.
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Lindy
November 15, 2013 at 7:10 PM
I thought he called his mother poor when he and Rachel visit her grave in California. Maybe he meant poor in the sense that she had the misfortune to marry into the Kim family. But the episode ran weeks ago and I have a mind like a sieve so he probably never said it at all.
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windsun33
November 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM
I think the story of Won's mother would have made a much more interesting drama than what we ended up with.
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jaglaine
November 15, 2013 at 10:58 PM
Hmm. If his mother was making wines in the first place, then that means she isn't poor. I took it to mean that her family owned a vineyard. He never said his mother was poor. Just that she did not grow up in the stifled society that his chaebol dad lived in.
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108 Apple
November 15, 2013 at 10:28 AM
I don't like the character of Eun Sang. She is so spineless. As I assessed it, she's really tired of being poor that the fastest way is actually to play hide-and-seek with Kim Tan and Young Do.
Among the female characters, Eun Sang is the one I cannot trust. Because behind her supposedly "serene and pitiful" look, is an ambitious woman. She'd been to the room of Kim Tan twice, once in the room of Young Do and spent the night with Kim Tan.
She cannot be trusted because she's spineless and really stupid. Of course she works hard, but she's so vulnerable without common sense at all.
There is a bit of progress in this drama, but the plot is almost similar to previous episodes. Kim Tan vs Young Do + the ultimate crying lady Eun Sang. Next week's 13th episode until 20th will just be like this -
Its about time I should bet as to how this drama will unfold in the next episodes. The ending will be like Boys Over Flowers - where Go Jun Pyo studied overseas and came back to takeover the helm of Shinhwa Corp; while Jan Di got a scholarship to finish her medicine degree; they met again and live happily ever after. Just change the names, and you have the same ending.
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windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:12 PM
The Really Stupid part is what gets me. And yes, she works hard, but all at menial jobs with no apparent ambition, and it seems like she is late or does not show up most of the time anyway.
In the military there is a term called "situational awareness", which in essence means being freeking aware of what is going on around you, and she scores absolute zero on that.
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109 Apple
November 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM
The "crying" episodes of Park Shin Hye from episode 1 to the 12th is not good for her career.
That MUST stop now. Enough is enough. We all know that she can cry, but the impact on the viewers is getting less and less.
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Abbie
November 15, 2013 at 5:50 PM
That is more the writer's fault. For some inexplicable reason, she likes to have weak heroines.
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Lindy
November 15, 2013 at 8:24 PM
The writer doesn't create weak heroines all the time. In The City Hall, Shin Mi-rae, as played by Kim Sun-ah, takes down a corrupt civic government, defeats the evil machinations of a corporate boss and his political minions plus wins the heart of Cha Seung Won. Also it has the hottest kissing scene I've ever seen in a Korean drama and the two leads actually sleep together because they want to even though neither of them think it's going to lead to marriage.
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sayit
November 15, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Are we talking about the same writer? I almost forgot she wrote City Hall. Sure it wasn't perfect but I love that show. Shin Mi-rae was not so sassy at first but boy did she get better. I even bought her moments of vulnerability and weakness. Same with SG and AGD. I like the heroines there well enough although at some points they were frustrating. So I think it's partly the writer's fault here and also Park Shin Hye's fault or should I say she shouldn't be cast at all. You need a strong actress to play ES. Yes she wasn't written well but in the hands of PSH, she looked even more pathetic. Maybe because she is younger compared to these other actresses, she does not know how to interpret the role or tell the writer or director that it should not be portrayed this way. Still, she is Korea's little darling. No one is going to blame her.
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Lindy
November 16, 2013 at 9:26 AM
I thought Shin Mi-rae took control of her own destiny right from Episode 1 when she decides to settle her debts by winning the Miss Herring Pageant. She sets the agenda, not Jo Gook, every step of the way. She's such a wonderful heroine! Just when he thinks he's got the upper hand, she changes the rules on him. The whole series is like a 1930's Hollywood screwball comedy, a genre I love, where the heroine leads the hero on a merry chase and finally lets him catch her. It's so much fun to see two equal partners fall in love like that.
Eun-sang is a completely different character. I don't think she's so badly written and Park Shin Hye isn't doing a bad job portraying her either. True she spends much of her time awash in tears but sooner or later (sooner, please) she is going to stop crying. I'm willing to see where the writer is taking her material. I might be disappointed but I'm going to reserve that judgment until the end of the series.
windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:13 PM
When all you have is one trick....
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August
November 16, 2013 at 5:03 AM
Non Scientific Poll
So far a total of 12 episodes have aired. How should the different "crying" scenes by Park Shin-Hye as Cha Eun-Sang be categorized?
-Anger Cry = louder, more abrupt cry.
-Basic Cry = a systematic cry with a pattern of crying and silence.
-Bawling Cry =weep or cry noisily.
-Bewailing Cry = to cry over; lament; to express sorrow or unhappiness over.
-Blubbering Cry =sob noisily and uncontrollably.
-Crying = shed tears.
-Howl Cry = make a howling sound.
-Lamenting Cry = a passionate expression of grief or sorrow.
-Mewl Cry = cry feebly or querulously; whimper.
-Pain Cry = one loud cry, followed by a period of breath holding.
-Pule = cry querulously or weakly.
-Sad Cry = to shed tears feeling or showing sorrow; unhappy.
-Snivel Cry = a slight sniff indicating suppressed emotion or crying.
-Sobbing Cry = cry noisily, making loud, convulsive gasps.
-Squall Cry = cry noisily and continuously.
-Tears of Joy = shed tears over great pleasure and happiness.
-Tears of Sorrow = cry of deep distress caused by loss, disappointment, or other misfortune suffered by oneself or others.
-Wailing Cry = a prolonged high-pitched cry of pain, grief, or anger.
-Weeping Cry = a fit or spell of shedding tears.
-Whimpering Cry = a low, feeble sound expressive of fear or pain.
-Whining Cry = a long, high-pitched complaining cry.
-Yelp = utter a short sharp cry of pain or alarm.
-Yowling Cry = a loud wailing cry, esp. one of pain or distress.
If responding to the poll, please include the episode number(s) with the "Cry" category in your reply.
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howforwardsale
November 16, 2013 at 8:03 AM
Well talk to the actors that were apart of Missing You. They probably had to have medical treatment after the show. Look at most of the screen shots from that show, and you will see tears or red-rimmed eyes. So depressing.
I hope PSH takes in plenty of fluids to replenish the loss. She has 8 more crying episodes to bear.
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110 V
November 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM
This drama exposes the acting of Lee Min Ho and Kim Woo Bin. The latter is new in the industry, the former is a veteran. But the latter has very good delivery of his role than the former.
Kim Woo Bin is definitely a much better actor than Lee Min Ho. Lee Min Ho is a handsome face, but his delivery of Kim Tan has no "x-factor", whereas KWB's acting is "seasoned". He does a good job. He'll go far in this competitive industry and he'll continue to gain fans.
Minor actors and actresses in this drama? Excellent.
Major actor and actress? Fair.
Park Shin Hye? Fair - I graded her excellent in the first 2 episodes but her constant and nonsense crying in every episode irritates me to the max that I wanted to smash the screen.
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Alina
November 15, 2013 at 11:12 AM
what makes you believe that LMH wouldn't be capable to play YD's role just as good as KWB? actually Tan's character is not easy at all to play,and I really don't see KWB being able to play that role. YD as a character is more offering,is a strong character ,and of course it stands out more.and I don't agree at all that KWB is so much better than LMH,he is talented but not more than LMH.and the makers seems to think the same,otherwise they would have give him the lead role.I think they know more about acting than you,he didn't put LMH as the male lead just because he's good looking.
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Alina
November 15, 2013 at 6:01 PM
and LMH is not a,, handsome face'',he's good looking,but he's not a face,like you said he's a person, just like you.
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jaglaine
November 15, 2013 at 11:23 PM
You are so right. It takes a good actor to know how to play the role well. And LMH is playing KT as KT should be played. No dramatics, no overacting. To the doubting thomases, look back on the other KDramas that you have watched...i bet you'll realise that most of the lead roles were oveacted or played in such a way that offered the same ole dish. This is a refreshing character, a different way of acting for LMH. I admire him for breaking out of his comfort zone. Like he said everytime he received an award, he will try to be a better actor for Minoz. This is part of that growth. Enjoy it and get past the bad wardrobe (i am sorry to say that he is far from his glamorous self here). Methinks the brand/s are hard put to sell their horrible outfits so they are getting LMH to sell it for them. ; 0 Coz you know, he can sell a hairshirt in seconds flat.
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111 Limmy
November 15, 2013 at 10:51 AM
I've been thinking and thinking about this, and I'm more and more convinced that the reason we don't like Young-Do more is because Myung-Soo isn't performing his function.
I think the writer designed him to be what Hyo-Shin is for Kim Tan—so close that they're hyung-dong saeng in private, show their vulnerable sides with each other, ask tough questions. Myung-Soon should be so rich as a character—he has these golden moments that look amazing in theory, like when he tells Young-Do "if you're interested, confess, don't pick on her. That's why they call you choding," or when he's the one to pick out that Young-Do really likes Eun-Sang, from all the photos he's snapped. Myung-Soo should also be as endearing as Bo-Na—happy and in their own world, providing comic relief but also intuitive humanity into this calculated, complicated world. His best lines and his photography hobby, his penchant for being friends with everyone—on paper, they point to him being just as observant and well-liked as Hyo-Shin, but in practice, he's come off as a joke and such an unnecessary character.
I don't know if it's that Hyungsik is a bad actor as much as Hyungsik doesn't have the skill/experience and understanding of Myung-Soo's character, the potential that he has, the way he could really soften up Young-Do's image in our eyes. I'm quite sure, though, that in the hands of a truly gifted, sensitive young actor that could make us feel a depth to Myung-Soo along with his sunshine-ness, we would've liked Young-Do more. He would have drawn him out more, make us feel that his broken friendship with Tan is really a loss, make us feel his loneliness all the more clearly. Just think of the scene in the ddeokbokki place—Myung-Soo asked a *jackpot* question, but his overly comical, dumb-and-dumber delivery of the before and after lines (eg: don't make fun of my love, you lost your mother's friend) watered down the emotional impact of that reveal. Contrast that with the simple car scene between Tan and Hyo-Shin, as they're driving away from the hotel—Hyo-Shin says 2 sort of sarcastic-funny lines, Tan tells him to keep quiet, that's it, and yet that scene feels so affectionate, so warm, so brotherly that it makes both of them look good, for how they have an understanding, how they care about each other.
Myung-Soo doesn't make Young-Do look good at all. He just makes himself look stupid.
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Abbie
November 15, 2013 at 5:48 PM
You make a very good point. A much as I love Hyungsik himself, his acting here is terrible, and perhaps that is what makes Young-do less appealing. I think you are right in saying he was meant to be Young-do's Hyo-shin, the confidante friend who randomly gives good advice, while staying mostly apart from the drama. But mostly he just appears as a court jester type, who is so dumb that whenever he says anything that should have an emotional impact, it just doesn't. They should have gotten someone else to play the part. I think in this case, it's the fault of the casting more than the writing.
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112 Alina
November 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM
I don't understand why is so much negativity here on Dramabeans. why is everyone complaining??? you don't like the drama?than move on,and look for something that you like.what's the point in judging the actors?you don't like their work? like I said,move on.since when is everybody from here so good at judging their acting skills?just go and watch the dramas from the actors/actress you like.those actors do what they do for their fans,if you are a hater,is better to keep your opinion for yourself.I'm sorry if I offend you guys,but is really upsetting to see so much negativity,when nobody is forcing you to watch the drama.
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windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:16 PM
So I take it you would prefer that everyone only post "good things" about dramas? Isn't that kind of like Amazon only allowing 4 or 5 star ratings for products?
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 12:59 AM
I didn't said that.what I can't understand is why they watch it if they think is that bad?just to have new reasons to bad mouthing the drama? that just doesn't make any sens.and even more,why start to speak bad about the actors? you don't like their acting,that's fine,is not like they're forcing anyone to watch their dramas.
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM
*someone not anyone,sorry
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Water Lilies
November 18, 2013 at 12:21 PM
"DITTO"
I'm with you!
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113 tura
November 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM
When Hyun joo told Tan of Won description of him I was so touched,best dialogue ever.
“My little brother is affectionate, honest, he’s grown
very tall, and his eyes are just like mine.”
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Adal
November 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM
Yes, that was heartwarmingly sweet.
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Alina
November 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM
that was indeed very sweet,I didn't expect it!!! I can't wait to see them bond with each other,I hope that will happen in the upcoming episodes.they both need each other.
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Z
November 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't believe he actually said that?
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Abbie
November 15, 2013 at 5:38 PM
No. Part of me thought she only said that because he asked. And if Won does talk about him, it's probably to badmouth him and to rage at the heavens for giving him a brother at all. But it was sweet of her to say that, and part of me HOPES he did say that for real. But I doubt it. It's out of character.
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Alina
November 15, 2013 at 5:43 PM
actually I do believe he said that,she didn't looked like she was telling lies.I don't know if Won really thinks this way about Tan,but I do believe he described his brother like that in front of HJ.
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Abbie
November 15, 2013 at 5:56 PM
You could be right. It's just that Won is still a big mystery to me, so I find it hard to believe he said it.
windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:17 PM
If you assume she was not lying. So much lying and covering up in this show, hard to tell.
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114 Sora
November 15, 2013 at 2:08 PM
I loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this drama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The beginning episodes didn't do it any justice though. To anyone who wants to watch this drama please skip the first and second episode or better yet skim through it.
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115 Tweetiebird
November 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM
A weekly breez through the recaps is confirming my decision not to actually watch Heirs...too busy for mediocre. Just come in to read JB and GF's weigh in on the episodes.
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116 Mary
November 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM
Has Kim Woo Bin been given a lead role in any of his dramas? Has he played the lead at all? I am asking because it seems like the comments are all praises for his good acting and charisma when all he has to do is act as the bad guy. He looks like a bad guy first of all. He looks like a caricature. i don't see it. I would like to know after this drama if he will get a lead role. LMH is secure with his status and this episode is a testament to his acting prowess. I don't care if you dress him in rags, he is still beautiful.
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Alina
November 15, 2013 at 5:39 PM
that's exactly what I think too.I'm not contesting KWB's talent,but people praise him like he's the god of acting!! just like you said,acting as a bad guy,give some mean glares and acting all cool is not THAT hard or impressive.I'm actually curious to see him playing a character like Tan (a very challenging one,he's introverted ,doesn't get to express his feelings that much and that really tricky because people may find it boring),I don't think he would be able to carry on such character.he can't play just bad boys forever.so until I don't see him playing a more challenging character,not just the typical bad boy/bully,I keep my opinion.let him play a lead (who's not a bad boy!!!) before saying he's more talented than LMH.
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jaglaine
November 16, 2013 at 1:39 AM
His acting mettle has not been tested much at all. School 2013 was his first meaty role, i think. But his acting was just so-so. LJS carried that movie so well, of course. Luv their bromance though, on-film andoff. : D
I didnt even remember he was in To The Beautiful You. I only found out coz i was reading up on their bromance. However, he's got YD down pat. Let's see what he gives us in the future.
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 7:01 AM
that's exactly my point,before saying that he's better than LMH,people should wait and see more of him.no matter how much you like the way he plays YD,that doesn't make him the best actor.versatility is very important at an actor,and he still has to prove that he can play other kinds of characters,beside bad boys.also he has to prove himself in a lead role.
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Adal
November 18, 2013 at 1:26 PM
I happen to think that Woo Bin's performance in School 2013 blew me away! He was spot on and didn't have a very talkative role but he had presence and charisma and his acting was excellent.
People's opinions on how actors do is quite subjective. I don't believe it is right to trash one actor just because one happens to be a fan of another. I read most reviews of KWB and the consensus was that he has a great deal of chemistry with whoever he acts with. I've also seen his performance in To The Beautiful You and it was quite good.
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117 Islandgal
November 15, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Whoa serious drama!
Thoughts
Won- legitimate son, did all the right things, still got screwed smh. Sexy when angry tho XD
YD - what's your story? ES doesn't like you and probably never will so not sure where you are going with this unrequited ish.
Chairman Kim -official asshole .
Tan's mom - was it the chairman you wanted or the lifestyle? Pathetic ...
Rachel- Rich guy doesn't like you, oh you'll marry him, wait he's illegitimate, hell no? smh. Fakest of the fake.
KT - props to you guy, finally grew a pair. I think the defining moment for him was when he met Won's girlfriend at the bus stop, like he was thinking Won is the perfect son , who I could never be , yet they are still screwing him over , so what am I holding on to?
Poor guy , crying at the end sighh, it had to be done dude.
ES- good move leaving, it's too overwhelming living like you're on the edge of a cliff. Tan equals drama but at least he's trying .Oh and sexy guy comes to see you, crying , at least give him a big hug or something .
Can't wait to tune in next week!
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118 me
November 15, 2013 at 4:28 PM
You know what you sort of rock! Even if your wrong about young do.
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119 Truthful
November 15, 2013 at 5:32 PM
OMG... this site is Sh*t.
Now I know why sooooooooooo many persons hate this site. At first I thought they were just being hateful and decided to check it out... So sorry I did.
It's like ending up on the weird, wrong side of TubeYou *shivers*
Stop with the bashing of extremely talented actors/actresses. They have more going on for then than you talentless haters, spreading negativity won't make you or your bias any better.
The person who recapped this I must admit you have a talent for describing a scene really well but I've come across a lot of other re-cappers which equally if not more talent in this area. Am sorry but your final comments are just downright AWful!!! Wish I could unread what I just unfortunately read.
Hint: If you don't like a drama stop watching and move on, like am about to move on from this site.
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Alina
November 15, 2013 at 5:54 PM
* CLAPPING !!!! I could not agree more.
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windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:21 PM
If you don't like it, then go to Drama Fever - you will find hundreds of girls there gushing all over about how this is the greatest drama ever.
Of course your original premise about "so many people hating it" is wrong - otherwise it would not be the most popular site on the internet for serious discussions of dramas.
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 1:06 AM
just a question,for you serious discussion of drama means bashing the actors and the drama itself? because mostly that's what I read here,people who think they know more about acting than the actors and the makers of this drama.
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windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 5:49 PM
I don't have to be a chef to know bad food, nor do I have to be an actor to know bad acting. Your analogy does not fit at all.
And if you think this is the only drama criticized here, look at some of the recaps for other shows, like YTBLSS - it was 95% negative. If you look around at other sites and blogs, you will find the same kind of comments - except on Drama Fever. There are very few actual reviews on DF, even though there are over 10,000 comments. It is about 30% gushing "best drama ever", 30% "why can't I see this in my country" and 30% "when is the next episode coming out". But if you ignore all of those type comments, you will see a lot of mixed reviews there also.
As someone noted on DF - "all the fan girls would cheer if LMH was beating a dog".
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fantasma
November 16, 2013 at 1:33 AM
Well, @Alina, I don't know if you have read all The episodes threads, but lots of People say they LOVE LMH, Love PSH, Love KWB. BUT, when these actors disappoint in their roles, many Will look beyond their Love to The fact that this is a drama and The scenes need to Be acted properly so that The audience Will be engaged.
This episode especifically is The one with less negative comments in a long while because of something happening, at last.
Besides, after watching so many dramas and movies as some People here have done, they have some knowledge to support their critics, and it's not without cause. Most of The negative, as you call them, comments explain why they don't like what they don't like. It's not Just random negativity.
I don't know how to cook, but if I go to a restaurant and The food tastes bad, should I eat anyway, without complaining, because I don't know how to cook? I believe that, since I have eaten before, and I'm paying (and let's face it, a drama is a PRODUCT), I'm entitled to complain, even if The others don't agree with me.
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 6:53 AM
I understand your point of view,but is also true that they can't take all the blame.this drama has writer,director,producers,etc.for example if the writer give them a bad script,what's their fault in this?they have to play after the script they have. also if the director give them instruction to play their characters in a specific way,again,they have to follow the instruction. like you said,some of the negatives comments explain why they don't like the drama,but many of them are just hateful,without any explanation.that's what I can't understand and I can't agree with.
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fantasma
November 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM
I forgot to put it in my comment, but I was also thinking about The Writer, producer, director, etc. If we're going to complain, they should get their share too, after all, and in The case of this drama especifically, I really think that The biggest blame lies with them and not with The actors (even though some of them are not really giving The performance of their lives, but I guess everybody has a bad Day at work, only most of us don't have it recorded).
windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 5:53 PM
I actually put most of the blame for this on the writer and director. While I don't think that the leads are the best actors in the world, this drama makes them look a lot worse than they are.
Someone must have read the script and the screenplay before they started this, and I wonder why no one then had that WTF moment where they just jumped up and said "this is stupid".
120 Abbie
November 15, 2013 at 5:34 PM
This show FINALLY has stuff happening! Yay!
Okay, I felt so happy when Tan revealed his true mother to Rachel and her mom. Thank goodness we get one thing outed and the engagement is (possibly) broken. Wouldn't be surprised if Chairman Daddy somehow gets the engagement back on. I want to punch that man in the face! He has no backbone and is scared of anything "bad" happening to his company. He doesn't care about his family, at all, is my thinking.
Hopefully, now, Young-do will soften a bit more. Even when Eun-sang rejects him, I hope he stops being such an ass. I mean, she's rejecting him pretty much already, and he's still getting better and nicer. Sort of. But I don't want his turn around to stop. Please, Show. Please, Writer.
The rest was a range between okay and good. I can't even complain about Won being a jerk too, because we get so little of him. I hope he comes around too, and stands up to Chairman Daddy in regards to Hyun-joo and stops hating his brother.
What I am really hoping for, in the next few episodes, is that, more than any romance on this show, I hope that Won and Tan stand up to their dad and tell him that he can't run their lives all for the sake of his company. They are people, not pawns, and deserve to be treated as such. Is that too much to ask?
Thanks for the recap, GF!
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121 chickenwing
November 15, 2013 at 5:42 PM
Not a fan of this show. Indecisive, totally retarded heroine rag dolls who exist simply as plot devices to create conflict between two alpha males. It reminds me too much of dramas from the 90s. The kind where you can basically predict how the plot is gonna go
Just hope that Heirs gets a cut, ends quick so that You From Another Star will get pushed forward. But with Lee Min Ho on this vehicle... Meh. Tough luck
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Alina
November 15, 2013 at 5:52 PM
sorry but if you're not a fan,why are you here,wasting your precious time? kinda funny,if you ask me (which I know you won't do).spreading negativity just for the sake of doing so.
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windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:23 PM
One might ask why you are wasting YOUR time arguing with someone that you will never convince?
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 1:08 AM
dear I'm not arguing with her,I just asked a simple question,do you have a problem with that?
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kimchikay
November 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM
lol...oh noobs.
Do you even know how long this site has been around, how much influence dramabeans has in the international kdrama watching community....just stop being so butthurt about the comments here. The reason I come here is so I dont have to deal with people like you, delusional fangirls who want everyone to root for their oppas *rolls eyes* Leave if you don't like the comments, we are critical here, analyze everything and say what we want. This site is opinionated and everyone who is a follower here knows that.
windsun33
November 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM
+10 @ Kay
This is NOT a fansite - read the description - "Deconstructing Korean Drama".
122 shinmirae
November 15, 2013 at 5:53 PM
The relationships i am rooting for in this drama are 1. Bona and chan young and 2. Sisterly love from madam han and mom. I've lost interest in all other relationships. Only his prettyness lee min ho gets me to watch this. I enjoy reading the recaps here in db more than watching the drama... why show, why??? Why do you do this to us???? Such promising beginning....
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123 Mary
November 15, 2013 at 6:07 PM
Hi Alina. We are on the same page here. At least LMH has done different roles as a lead actor. Well let's see if KWB can have the same fan base as Minho. I doubt it but I will be waiting and watching.
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Alina
November 15, 2013 at 6:19 PM
hi Mary.yep we are on the same page here :).and yes,LMH proved that he can play different characters,unlike KWB.actually I'm wondering why he takes on just this kind of roles.there must be a reason for that,if you know what I mean ;).but I don't hate on him,the guy has talent,but he still has to prove he can play something else too,not just bad boys.
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sayit
November 15, 2013 at 10:39 PM
So Woo Bin has yet to prove he can be something else and not just bad boys? In a way, that's true but when he plays bad boys, he does it so well he touches the viewers and win them over. As for playing straight up good guy, we shall see, won't we?
For LMH, he played different characters all the same, as Lee Min Ho. IMO, there were many scenes in this drama which he looked like his mind was somewhere else. Maybe filming those long staring scenes were boring him to death. I know the fangirls were all screaming how hot his stares were.
I will reserve my opinion on whether Woo Bin will do well playing a good guy but I am sure LMH won't do well playing a bad guy. Maybe a mischievous one at the most. He does not have the intensity. He actually had a chance to do more layering to Kim Tan's character in this drama but so far, I think it's all flat.
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Mil
November 15, 2013 at 11:20 PM
Nahh, LMH's a better actor.
I used to think Lmh couldnt pull off a bad boy until I saw him play 2 diverse characters in his short Toyota Camry drama in season 2.
A little bit hotter than kwb's young do lol
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Xiams
November 15, 2013 at 11:21 PM
This site and its comments are so depressing. I feel like its just full of unfunny and dramatic emo's, who have nothing better to do is just to force themselves to watch a drama they obviously dont like.
All I have to say is that you Dont like it, then dont watch it.
And sorry but no offense, You all say that KWB is a better actor than kwb? lol yeah right, Overall I think minho's a better actor, I love kim woo bin but I dont think he could pull off kim tan's role if he was chosen for it. But I think LMH could pull of young do's role too. pretty sure their was a reason LMH was chosen for kim tan, and Woo bin chosen for Young do.
And loving or falling for a character doesn't mean the actor is completely stunning at acting or whatever.
In playful kiss, Kim hyun joong is a terrible actor and played a robotic and cold dick-head, and alot of people still loved the character.
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 6:33 AM
well if you had this impression during those scenes (that his mind was somewhere else),that means he's doing a great job playing his character.I think you fail to understand how his character really is.and I'm sure LMH would do a great job playing a bad boy,even if his good looking face give you other impression.he played different characters all the same???if you tried to be funny by saying this,than you managed!!!! like it or not ,LMH is already a superstar,people from the industry praise his acting talent ,he's hugely popular and I think that proves something.you're talking like you know more about acting than those veterans actors who're praising him.I doubt that they do it because he's good looking.
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August
November 16, 2013 at 5:20 AM
Each of the characters that Lee Min-Ho played from Boys Over Flowers, Personal Taste, City Hunter, Faith, and now in Heirs are all different from each other.
You can see his committment to making each character unique. Compare his physical appearance and presence in the all of these projects…from the hairstyle, gaining or lossing weight for a role, the character’s stride, nuances based upon the female lead in each of the romantic scenes, distinctness of his fighting sequences and his body movement during the action scenes, diction, delivery of lines, and etc.
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124 wind
November 15, 2013 at 6:12 PM
There is something i curious about, YD said to him self about explanation 6 about her.. how's about the 5th.. i just know 4 explanations he said to ES in coffee shop, but i think he didnt ever shout about explanation 5.. so what is the 5th explanation?? *sorry for my terrible english* ^^
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125 Mary
November 15, 2013 at 6:29 PM
Hi Alina. I am not hating on him either. I read some articles that these two have become good friends. I am just wondering where all the negative comments abt Minho 's acting is coming from and not having chemistry with PSH. I think they actually look good together. I don't know and see what they are talking abt. Well let's give this a rest abd enjoy LMH's brilliant acting in the remaining 8 episodes.
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windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:26 PM
Acting ability and having chemistry among the leads are two different things, and not necessarily related.
And BTW, if you read some of the Korean blogs, you will see a lot of the same type comments.
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 6:38 AM
of course they do have chemistry,but is normal for those who like YD to say that they don't have !!!!and I don't need to read any comments,from any Korean blogs.it's more than enough the hateful comments from here.
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nadlee
November 16, 2013 at 7:54 AM
it's not that people saying PSH and LMH lack of chemistry is because of people bias on young do. seriously, PSH lack of passion on acting and she keep on putting lame expression, which we can see from her past drama . gosh, go and watch her past work , then you will know.
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windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 6:00 PM
If you think the comments here are "hateful", you might want to get a thicker skin or define what you mean by hateful. It seems like if I say that the McDonald's lunch salad sucks, that I am "hating" on McDonalds.
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Adal
November 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM
Seriously though, "Chemistry" is that indescribable thing that catches the attention of the viewer and makes them either hold their breath, or their heart beat or have some excitement when they see the couple on screen. To be honest, there exist no such dynamic between PSH and LMH. And I'm not hating on either of them. It's something you either have with a co-star or you don't.
It has nothing to do with my love for the YD character and has nothing to do with the individual talents of either character. There is something very academic and "friendly" about the dynamic between PSH and LMH in this drama. I've seen both of these actors have better chemistry with other actors - with PSH in FBND and You're beautiful for instance, and in LMH with his costars in Faith and City Hunter. For a really good demonstration of chemistry, you could watch QIHM - the screen practically sizzled and was on fire!
It also doesn't help that whenever LMH reaches out to touch or kiss her she freezes up, tenses or grimaces and seals her lips shut - the body language is telling the viewers that she is uncomfortable with her co-star and wishes he was very, very far away. That's why we find it difficult to buy the reversal of her acting friendly to him and putting her head on his shoulder. It doesn't ring genuine.
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126 cheliwel
November 15, 2013 at 6:54 PM
I wish PSH would stop reacting to being kissed as if she was being kissed by Quasimoto.
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windsun33
November 15, 2013 at 10:28 PM
Hehe.. had to laugh at that. What bugs me so much is that every time he gets close, she goes totally bug eyed. Someone on the DF site compared her to a surprised dead fish.
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Yenlinh tran
November 16, 2013 at 8:53 PM
I really was not paying attention to her reacting to the first kiss because I thought that he took her by surprise, so that should be her reaction. But now, after the 2nd and 3rd kisses, her reactions are pretty bad. She closed her eyes, clamped her lips tight, and leaned away a bit. If he surprised her with those two kisses, there should be no leaning away and no disgust look on her face. They really should have done a better job preparing for that scene. Someone should have told PSH to do it over again.
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127 krinata
November 16, 2013 at 12:27 AM
I may be late in asking this, but I'll ask anyway. Is it legal/usual/common in Korea to have concubines? I believe KT's stepmom doesn't live with them in the house, but for her to let the mistress live with her legal husband? Does "mistress" have a different connotation in Korea? Because in here (Philippines), when we say mistress, it almost always means an extramarital affair. Plus a wealthy man here who has a "mistress" will almost always provide a house (or a condo) for his mistress and children (if there are any). I just can't understand why KT's mom is willing to subject herself to such humiliation if she can just have a separate house to stay in and let KT stay with his dad. As if she's really hoping she'll get the legal wife status. Or are there provisions in the Korean family law about this?
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windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 6:04 PM
I is about as "legal" as anywhere else - in that there are probably laws against it, but nobody pays any attention to them. As far as "common" - probably more so than in the US, but not like every CEO in Korea has a harem either.
But don't assume that Korean dramas give anything like the real picture of Korean society. Just one example - abortions in Korean dramas almost never exist, yet Korea has the higher abortion rate in the world...
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128 krinata
November 16, 2013 at 1:37 AM
Also another question. Does anyone know the instrumental song playing when YD and ES were in the intersection when YD got angry at ES, saying they should just eat noodles next time, then he sped away on his bike? It was also played in episode 11 when YD asked ES if she really liked KT and ES said yes (cue music). :D I searched for the whole OST but it's not there. I really like the music so I hope someone could point me in the right direction. :) TIA.
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129 Mia
November 16, 2013 at 4:52 AM
Wow that golf course scene with a stare down between Young Do and Tan had me thinking we were about to get a full blast of LOVE IS THE MOMENT. It would've fit that scene so well lol.
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130 mnifbdtao
November 16, 2013 at 6:34 AM
Is anyone else wondering why Young-Do thinks he and Eun-Sang would work out? After all, all the issues that Eun-Sang and Tan have in regards to social status will still apply if Eun-Sang and Young-Do got together.
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windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 8:47 AM
Good point. That is one of many things the writer has totally failed to explain. He is as much - or even more - under his father's thumb as Tan is.
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Limmy
November 16, 2013 at 9:33 AM
I think it's possible that (a) he hasn't thought that far, being 18, (b) is being rebellious and impulsive, and loving being rebellious and impulsive because he's 18, detests his dad, and because it makes him feel powerful to be that way (ie: I can do whatever I want--power trip), or (c) doesn't think his father has any grounds to criticise him for his choice of woman when his father has such a crap fidelity record.
Perhaps the most natural explanation, though, is that it seems his father and him subscribe to a different philosophy of thought around their wealth than the Kim family. Their wealth makes them act really arrogantly, brashly and aggressively, and they really say and do whatever they want, through their weight around, even with the Kim family. His father has no qualms about sending his son to do the dishes in a kitchen, and be seen doing that by all his staff.
The Kim family, though, seems to act very restricted by their wealth, to certain behaviours, to certain expectations, to only hang around certain people and only be seen in posh settings. They keep to themselves for the most part—probably in large part due to the whole Kim Tan birth secret issue—but it also feels like their style, the type to think showing off their wealth is gaudy, that showing emotion in public is shameful. You could say that the Choi and Kim families seem to align with the stereotypes around new and old money, but of course, I don't think the Choi family actually is new money in this drama.
That's what gives Young-Do his devil-may-care attitude about everything, including Eun-Sang, I think—he thinks he's invincible/untouchable, in the sense that if you have an opinion about who he chooses to be with, you better keep your opinion to yourself, or else he'll pulverise you, just like his daddy taught him. And as we've seen, even if his dad decides to be against something he wants, like Eun-Sang, he can fix that by "winning" against his dad.
This is all in hypothetical space of course, 'cuz I doubt he'll even get to the stage of having to fight with his dad about Eun-Sang, since she's clearly not into him and won't be. But I suppose I shouldn't speak too soon...
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fantasma
November 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM
I find your point of view very interesting. YD and His father act more "modern" (?) about their wealth, more agressive while Tan's Family seems to Be more old fashioned in that aspect and it reflects on their actions.
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131 howforwardsale
November 16, 2013 at 7:42 AM
I'm convinced that PSH feels physical pain when kissed.
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132 nadlee
November 16, 2013 at 7:50 AM
yup, gonna agree with you guys. somehow , i think PSH really need to wake up, i mean she keep on showing the same emotion, the so called sad emotion that we can see from her past drama. seriously , i hate her character . somehow, she started being like a robot , lack of passion on acting, i also doubt her chemistry with LMH . shin hye yaa, wake upp!! , try to explore with different emotion and different kind of character. i'm sick ! ..
p/s : i watched this because of young do .
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133 windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 8:53 AM
I think the writer is most at fault here, but not all.
But here we are 60% through the show, and does anyone have a clue about what ES actually WANTS in life? Though I have done a lot of skipping, I have never heard her express anything about her hopes, dreams, goals, her interests, her future, her likes or dislikes, or anything else. In essence she is a blank.
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Lindy
November 16, 2013 at 12:48 PM
Well, in the beginning Eun-sang wants to follow her sister to California. Her sister's life is like a dream to her but it proves to be a false one. Then, because she is a realist, she accepts that the best scenario for her is to graduate from high school and get a job. She's not from the kind of background that wants anymore than she is likely to get. Like I say she's a realist. She also sees that a relationship between a guy like Tan and a girl like her is doomed to failure given the two different worlds they live in. She's not bar hostess, gold digger or mistress material either.
She likes movies, especially of the horror variety, and seems to have studied them and to know a lot about them. She wants to make films, especially a hopeful horror film. She seems to be a member of an on-line chat group discussing films. This is an interest.
We also know a lot about Young-do, Chan-young and even, now Won. Even Rachel's behaviour, while not the nicest, is entirely explicable. The character we still really don't know much about is Kim Tan himself. What does he like, does he have any dreams or interests for himself, what motivates him and so on.
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windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 6:17 PM
I think one problem I have with the ES character is that the writer never bothered to really flesh her out. But what grates on me is that supposed "realist" attitude. It seems like she is willing to put up with so little and has no ambition. In many ways she seems like the Mi Rae character in "Marry Him if you Dare" - where she almost ended up in a lifetime career as a call center cubicle girl until jolted out of rut almost forcibly.
I may be a bit to critical, she supposedly only 18 - but when I was 18 I had all sorts of goals and things I wanted to do - I had not figured out the exact path yet, but I at least knew about where I wanted to be a few years down the road. ES seems to have none of that, except as you said, some vague hope about making horror movies.
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134 ruka
November 16, 2013 at 12:04 PM
From your reviews, you're intent on punishing Young Do of his actions ^^; English is not my first language so I might be paraphrasing your words differently. Somehow I find YD's character intriguing.. he's hot in the head and does things (then regrets when he realised how wrong he was) etc. This is a guy who is terrible at feelings and expressing emotions. I don't blame him for acting that way.
Tan, I have a lot to say about Tan. First of all, his stalkery tendencies do more harm than good. Heck, I hate the stalking a whole lot more than YD's mean streak. Not to mention the constant "drags ES here, drags ES there" and he acts as if he's the boss of ES. "I own your body so I get to say what you can and cannot do". gtfo boy, I dont' have space for you here.
ES on the other hand couldn't make a decision. I really thought she'll be one with her own mind but apparently not. I'm just tired by her actions, to be quite honest. Ugh.
If I were at her place I would've chosen YD over Tan any day.
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM
well then it's good you're not ES.is curious that you find YD's abuses on ES ( he made her fall,dropped her in water,while the weather was cold,forced her to stay with him at the table,even if he could easily see that she was trembling with fear,etc) ok,and you bash everything Tan does.at least he never physically hurt her.
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windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 6:24 PM
So Tan hurts her mentally, while YD hurts her physically - which is worse?
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Alina
November 17, 2013 at 9:41 AM
I don't think she thinks that Tan's hurting her mentally,if you remember,when Tan asked her if he's one of her problems,she said no,and that actually he's the only good thing,between so many problems.and Tan didn't hurt her mentally,he did some mistakes,but them are in no way as big as YD's.
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windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 6:23 PM
Ruka - for English as a second language, you do better than many native speakers :)
But I agree with you on the idea that Tan is no better than YD - they are both stalkers in a sense, they just do it differently. It appears to me that both of them have managed to make ES's life miserable, just in different ways, yet neither will back off.
But ES also never seems to get any backbone, like she is the perpetual doormat, so I don't connect with her at all.
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135 Sassou
November 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM
I always have a "favorite" couple in dramas, and usually it isn't the main one, and this drama isn't an exception. I don't blame LMH and PSH, they're not bad, just that it is a "boring" couple, the same actions happen in every dramas dealing with a rich guy and a poor girl. Maybe I'm weird, but I want Rachel and Hyo shin to end up together, I think they have a good chemistry, and they'd be a more interesting couple, am I the only one ??
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM
I think HS is too good for her.
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Sassou
November 21, 2013 at 1:04 PM
That's the point, she might actually start acting like a real human being, and could become nicer, I'd love to see her change little by little. She makes me think of Blair in Gossip Girl
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136 fantasma
November 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM
You know, I can't really take Back my comments about PSH's acting but more and more I think she's a victim of The writing, Just like her character.
After reflecting and reading some of The comments I've realized that my main problems are not with The actress, but with The script. Really, she cries a lot, but, I believe, it's because that's what is expected of her by The Writer. I feel really slow for not realizing that straight away, but I think it's good to acknowledge a misjudgement.
I'm not saying now that I think her acting is superb, but I've seen her do better on her other dramas and I've Said on a previous thread that's easier to throw my frustration at The actors since it's their faces that we're are seeing.
I've never seen any other dramas with LMH or KWB and while I've been won over by The latter's acting, I believe that I need to watch something else with The former because The character of Tan still leaves me cold as an iceberg. But since many People here say he's great I think I got to give him another chance.
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Alina
November 16, 2013 at 4:00 PM
you really should watch the rest of LMH's dramas,I don't think you will regret it!!! especially City Hunter,he was great there.and also Faith.I like all his dramas,but my favorite one is City Hunter.
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Mary
November 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM
That's my favorite, too. But Boys Over Flowers got me hooked to Kdramas. Jun Pyo was annoying but not as annoying as YD here. At least, his role had a redeeming factor. He was really nice to Jandi, very loving and very protective. That propelled Minho to his current star status. It was my first Kdrama and I didn't know any of the stars, but he just caught my eye even if he was bullying Jandi. There was something about him. And I realized it is his smile. His face changes when he smiles. He just has this beautiful smile. And I followed his career from then on. However, to this day, I still like his team up with Min Young. I miss them being together. City Hunter was a great drama. I hope he does another action drama.
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August
November 16, 2013 at 5:35 PM
I accept that the character Cha Eun-Sang is required to cry a great deal in Heirs.
Regarding the various crying scenes of Park Shin-Hye in Heirs...It is frustrating to watch scene after scene of her crying delivered (acted out) in the same way each and every time.
During her crying scenes in Heirs, she has not taken advantage of nor used variation in her body movement, facial expressions, or vocal cords.
Examples: Movement of the lips, eyebrows, hand jestures, head tilting, chin lines, corners of the mouth, close or open the eyes, deep breaths, and utilization of different crying sounds/noises to aide in conveying the emotional toil and/or situation to the audience.
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windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Thinking back, you are mostly correct. They could have just taken one scene and pasted it into all the others. :D
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fantasma
November 17, 2013 at 1:53 AM
I can help but agree. I think I Said on a previous thread that it's not like she doesn't know how to show emotion, is that she only knows how to do that in very limites ways.
I've finally watched Master's sun and The heroine there did a great job portraying several nuances of sadness and even dispair, anger, etc.
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fantasma
November 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM
*can't
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windsun33
November 16, 2013 at 6:31 PM
I have been saying for weeks that by far the main culprit here is the writer, director 2nd. Someone on the Soompi site actually went through all the episodes and counted over 25 crying scenes by ES - in just 12 episodes. That has GOT to be the fault of the writer. I think the first time was only like 10 minutes into ep1 when she was whining about her whole life being a failure (at the old age of 18).
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sayit
November 16, 2013 at 7:25 PM
For the record, this is the first time I am comparing the cast in Secret to Heirs.
Hwang Jung Eum cried so much in Secrets that I am afraid she might get permanent eyebags. Yet, I did not tire from all the crying scenes. At times, I even cried with her. Partly, there was every reason for her character to cry whereas for ES, I just don't understand why she needed to cry in all those scenes. Yes, some were justified but many were redundant. The writer and director are to be blamed for it. But PSH needs to take some blame too. Assuming she has to cry in so many scenes, can she have less of that "cry" face when crying is not needed. Just look at all the screenshots of her and the 2 boys, she has that pained or "cry face" look all the time.
LMH has a different problem from PSH. Whereas PSH is good at crying, I can't say the same for LMH. He cries too beautifully. Yeah, I know the guy is a damn good looker but can he just cry without bothering how he looks? Someone kindly referred me to watch LMH's Toyota mini-ad (what kind of ad runs 30 mins? or is it a show?), I realized LMH's problem is that he is restrained in his crying. His fans will probably call it nuanced or whatever but I think he cannot let go. So far, that type of crying is not needed in Heirs but in that CF, he was supposed to have lost his loved and his crying is not up to par. Since I just watched Secret finale this week, I cannot help but compare to that terrific crying scene that Bae Soo Bin's character did. Now, that's what I called fantastic.
I am starting to think the twenty something actors and actresses just cannot compare to the older ones. Lack of experience in acting or life experience?
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windsun33
November 17, 2013 at 12:39 PM
I saw a lot of comments on other sites about how hot LMH's crying was, but to me it looked faked, like with eye drops and stuff.
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August
November 17, 2013 at 2:15 PM
I disagree. The ending scene in Episode 12 of Lee Min-Ho, with the tear trickling down his cheek was poignant and understated.
The two slaps from his father came across and felt real not fake.
Everything - from the beginning to the ending - culminated in Episode 12 and propelled it to one of the best if not the best episode of Heirs so far.
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jaglaine
November 17, 2013 at 3:00 PM
Agree to the max. His crying was sooo in keeping with the character of Kim Tan. I can hardly expect the repressed and thoughtful KT to whole-heartedly cry.
137 Sandy
November 16, 2013 at 6:59 PM
Ugh, I'm so bored by this show. Tried to get into it because of Kim Jiwon and LMH, but it's still not happening (yet).
I'm noticing that this show loves to do beautifully filmed scenes, especially with the two leads, like standing in the midst of sprinklers staring at each other, crying while staring at each other, staring at each other across the roof, staring at each other in the middle of an intersection. Unfortunately these beautifully filmed scenes don't add anything to the story, though.
The problem I have with both Kim Tan and Eun Sang is they have no personalities. After 12 episodes, I have no idea what their characters are like. Especially Eun Sang. She just mopes around every episode doing nothing. Even Ra Im from Secret Garden had more of a personality than that.
And the storyline is just boring so far. Because LMH's in this, I can't help but compare it to Boys Over Flowers. Never thought I would say this, but I think BOF had some more substantial themes than this. BOF was dumb and silly at times but also had substantial themes, like what growing up and taking responsibility means, what true friendship means, and a good exploration of the class divide (like how the struggles of being poor can build strength, character, and work ethic). But what is Heirs about? What is the moral of the story? I don't even know.
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She
November 16, 2013 at 10:10 PM
I agree with you wholeheartedly. What was LMH thinking when he accepted the role of KT? His character in Heirs and the storyline were similar to BOF so it's no surprise that viewers tend to compare the two.
BOF had its flaws but there were many brilliant moments that more than made up for those flaws. Its actually a beautiful story of how a young girl (Jandi) changed the dynamic of a whole school and stopped the bullying perpetrated by the dreaded F4 headed by Gu Jun Pyo. I can never forget the scene when Gu Jun Pyo tearfully confessed to his mother that Jandi was the first girl he ever loved. The intensity in LMH's eyes and raw emotion that seemed to seep through his whole being were so palpable that one could almost feel his pain. After watching that, I became an LMH fan. In the final episode, Jandi tried to jog Gu jun Pyo's memory by gently asking him prodding questions about their past and then, she slowly jumped backwards into the swimming pool. For me, that was such a beautiful, riveting scene.
Being LMH' fan, I watched Heirs with great expectations but was terribly disappointed. The story, or lack of it just seemed to be going around in circles. We have a stalker hero who did nothing but follow the heroine around like a lovesick puppy and a weepy heroine with the perpetual deer-caught-in-headlight expression. Added to the mix were their exact opposites. YD, a loud-mouthed bully with zero social skills and Rachel the bitch who tormented CES. These four were so unlikable that I didn’t care about them and their dysfunctional families. I'm boggled by the fact that two rich hunks were fighting over CES. What is so special about her? The writer failed miserably in making CES's character shine above the rest and convince me as a viewer that “yes, she’s worth the unabashed adoration of both guys." CES character confused me the most. Was she shy, coy, a meek lamb dragged around by the wrist or were her actions just a ploy to hide a seething ambition? The kissing scenes were terrible. CES obviously liked KT, otherwise she would have slapped him the first time he kissed her. She acted like a scared rabbit every time he approached her. The inconsistency in her behaviour was just too irritating to watch.
And with that being said, I bid goodbye to Heirs. LMH, you should have closely read the script before accepting this role. Thanks girlfriday for the recaps.
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Mary
November 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM
I read in one of his interviews that he just wanted to do a laid back role one last time before he moves on to more mature roles because he is getting older. This drama came along written by a reputable writer that's probably why he agreed to do it. And he also said that it is nice that each one of them has a story to tell. He is probably thinking that there is not much pressure on his part as far as ratings is concerned. He doesn't have to carry the whole load. He is just doing what the script calls for. I think Episode 12 was his episode. The scene with his father was really good.
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She
November 18, 2013 at 7:10 AM
I do understand why LMH wanted a more laid back role. His last two dramas "City Hunter" and "Faith" must have drained him physically. He had to be in top physical condition and must practice and train for all those fight scenes.
With Heirs, he did not have to work that much since there were so many characters. He probably had time to rest in between takes.
Having said that, I think he's miscast for the role. His acting is insipid at best. He looked bored and seemed to be going through the motions of doing a job that probably is not that challenging. Personally, I felt that he should have put more effort in his acting. When he stares at ES, there's no real emotion in his eyes. Just by facial expressions, viewers can be moved emotionally…..or not. The long stares, to me, were creepy. And, I think he's too old for the role of KT.
I'm not trying to put down LMH. He's one of the better Korean actors of his generation. But he has to choose. Does he want to be known as just a super star the likes of Robert Pattinson or a serious actor the likes of Jack Nicholson?
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Sandy
November 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM
I completely agree with everything you said.
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windsun33
November 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM
+1 to both Sandy and She - I think your comments are right on, and you said better than I could have.
I got attacked by fans on DF because I expressed pretty much the same opinion about ES's character. Someone did not like it when I compared heer to a rag doll that was totally blank in personality - glad to see I am not the only one with that impression.
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Sandy
November 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM
I completely agree with you. ES is a very blank character so far. So far, I've watched Full House, MNIKSS, Damo, and BOF. In all of these dramas, the female lead was interesting and unique. I don't know what is up with ES here.
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She
November 18, 2013 at 7:42 AM
The term for the negative reaction to your comment is what I call "defence mechanism." It's either they can't accept the truth or they're just blinded by their adoration of the stars that they could care less about the story or acting as long as they can spazz over their favourite actor/actress.
I'm also guilty of reacting to comments that I feel are unjust and without bases. I've had my share of long winded debates and can consider myself a veteran….lol
As long as you're speaking the truth, let those comments slide like water off a duck's back.
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138 Sandy
November 16, 2013 at 7:32 PM
Also another random thing: Can kdramas PLEASE stop pretending like the marriage/dating plans of teenagers has anything to do with business? I work in corporate finance, and I can say that marriage/dating has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with business. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Nobody in business gives two craps about who someone's son/daughter plans to date/marry. Two families want to merge their companies so they have to force their kids to get married to each other? Uh...or they could just use something called a contract.
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windsun33
November 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM
I never figured out why that is such a staple in k-dramas. A while back I actually spent a few hours digging into some chaebol families, and was surprised at how many of the sons and daughters have totally separate lives apart from the company.
The whole idea I think is another one of those "false premise" things - where they force the idea that companies can only cooperate or merge if their kids marry each other.
Chaebol kids may actually end up getting married, but that is more because they move in the same circles than anything to do with business.
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139 crazy4kdrama
November 16, 2013 at 8:17 PM
Another thing i don't like is the father. I mean he keeps saying that his sons have to marry successful rich women and that the girls they like aren't good enough. Unfortunatly, although he married a woman of high class he cheated on her with a "poor" woman. I mean seriously, his kids are already rich what does it change if they marry people who are less rich than they are. I also have difficulty seeing the father as a "bad" guy cuz all the dramas i saw him in, he plays a really nice father figure. anyway i just hope we get more story telling from the supporting cast cuz although i love to look at kim tan the whole she's mine no she's mine game is really getting old and getting on my nerves
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windsun33
November 17, 2013 at 1:00 PM
And if they do marry "successful" women, he will expect them to become House Ahjummas. Yeah, that makes sense.. :(
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140 crazy4kdrama
November 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM
and the final thing i the whole staring at her was like super cute at the beggining but now it's just getting really annoying and sometimes creepy because the show isn't advancing at a fast enough space and i find myself feeling like i'm wasting my time when kim tan is looking at eun sang for five minutes four times per episode
p.s. i know i should writ everything i want to say in one porst but i keep remembering stuff the moment i press send
I think i watch this show more for eye candy than the actual story. It's still not bad but it's slow paced and i've seen too many dramas to get affected by the rich guy/poor girl storyline
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141 syr
November 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM
Sorry but is it a necessity for Eunsang to cry and do sad faces in every single episode? It's like I could do screencaps of all her crying scenes in every single freaking episode. Why writer-nim, why?
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krinata
November 17, 2013 at 3:37 AM
Maybe in Korean dramas there is a quota for how many crying scenes they should have or, depending on the genre, a rule that every character should cry at least once. Since the other characters don't have anything to cry about, ES is carrying the burden to meet the quota. See, KT and his oma are trying to help out by having crying scenes now, too. :)
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142 Skwon
November 17, 2013 at 9:41 AM
I don't think the writer likes women. (I know, the writer is female, which makes this idea so much worse.) Why do so many of her female characters get berated and degraded for who they are? Whether she's poor, an orphan, strong minded... anything, the writer whips up dialog to demean... Pretty much everything and anything as long as she's a woman. Bleh.
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windsun33
November 17, 2013 at 1:03 PM
I have noted that several times before - for a female writer she sure seems to like to heap abuse and cruelty on female actors, and make them look stupid and pathetic. I am beginning to wonder if she has some serious issues of her own.
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Lindy
November 17, 2013 at 3:44 PM
You should watch The City Hall, also by the same writer, for a strong, capable, not stupid and not pathetic female lead. The fact the same writer is responsible for both dramas is the main reason I am watching Heirs.
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143 Sajen
November 17, 2013 at 2:59 PM
Why are Tan and Young-do so mad at each other? Do they even know?
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August
November 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM
(1) Young-Do was embarrassed and upset after he and Kim Tan witnessed the sexual promiscuity of his father - Choi Dong-Wook.
(2) Kim Tan feeling empathy for Young-Do, confessed to Young-Do that he was an illegitimate son with two (2) mothers...1 in public & 1 in private.
(3) Young-Do missed the chance to see and eat with his mother for the last time by "five (5) minutes" because he was stubborn and wanted to win an argument against Kim Tan.
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144 Delop12
November 17, 2013 at 5:48 PM
I loved this drama so much,
but After reading these comments...It totally killed my mood..
ughh so much negativity, Can people just watch it without basing the actors and actresses
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145 Arcana
November 17, 2013 at 6:00 PM
I've been passively keeping up with these recaps of heirs which by the way great job. I can't help but to think that Heirs needed to be longer at least 30 episodes. I know blasphemous for those who believe that this drawn out narrative needs to 'get gone'. However based on how big the cast is and how many storylines seem to pollute the main narrative this story can't arguably be satisfied within 20 episodes. It's been 12 and Kim Tan is barely standing his ground with his legitimacy status and Eun Sang still feels like a character that is floating around with no sense purpose. Where is her fire? Her drive? For a girl that likes horror movies she seems afraid of everything. If you create a character that likes horror movies play with that trait! Make her quirky with a dark weird sense of humor. Anything but passive! Instead she comes off as dense and incredibly mopey. If you have a acerbic brother dynamic then use it! There could be so much done with Kim won and Kim tan and their love interests lookalikes. This drama needed to have a smaller cast with an adult setting. The writer clearly lacks focus and seems to be hampered by her gossip girl inspiration. What helped gossip girl was that it had multiple seasons to tell several stories and when it came time it did transition the characters out of high school. Whether that series was a success is debatable. But clearly the writer thought she could adapt gossip girl into Korean dramas and it's not turning out so well. Again the structure of gossip girl 22 episodes per season is hard to replicate as a Korean drama with 16-20 episodes that need to encompass a beginning, middle and end (no matter how terrible). On American television gossip girl could get away with a season where nothing was resolved. What's the conclusion to Heirs going to look like? The way things are headed it doesn't seem that much is going to be resolved and if it is then it will not feel deserved.
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krinata
November 18, 2013 at 1:16 AM
Who knows? Maybe they are planning on season 2 that's why the story feels slow and drawn out?
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146 drakonid hart
November 18, 2013 at 3:35 AM
The ending was so omfg stupid. Cha eun sang standing 3m away and crying while tan cried is one of the most unrealistic reactions I can ever imagine. Make her run over and hug him for goodness sake! Every single episode ends with a standoff. What a wasted ending after the excellent mother son scene.
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147 Jan
November 18, 2013 at 4:23 AM
Honestly, the only person who keeps me watch the show is Kim Woo Bin. The way he portrays Young Do is very interesting. It's twisted and enjoyable.
I'm looking forward to his scenes every episode. I always wonder when it will be his turn to appear or interact with Eun Sang.
But you can't deny that he has chemistry with everyone.
I'm still thinking about Episode 20 of this show.
I don't think The Heirs will make a buzz just like Kim Eun Sook's past work, Secret Garden, where parodies were everywhere after the broadcast.
Partially, they've been focused too much on the two main lead who don't really have the 'chemistry' materials for each other. They are cute but not memorable and give me any feels. I mostly skip their scenes since it's getting repetitive.
Most importantly, the show itself doesn't have a plot. It's been 12 episodes and we just got to see a slight development where the so-called heir finally takes some action against his father even though it's not even a smart move. We'll see bad consequences real soon.
Their time in LA is completely a waste of time. Don't make me start with the most awkward American cast with poor lines delivered. They should have started introducing the plot around episode 5 or 6. So, we would have much more time to explore other supporting characters later on.
Unfortunately, the remaining 8 episodes may not have enough time for those characters that are actually worth spending time to look into.
Hyo Shin's past suicidal incident and his ignorant mom who barely listens to him.
Maybe give us some flashback of Rachel and Tan's relationship and engagement. I want to know why Tan's an ass like this. He's against this business deal yet he's done nothing to fix it.
Sidenote: I still think Rachel has every right to be mad at him since he's been a real jerk to her and even dared to tell her that he's liking someone else in her face. She's your fiancee. Give her some respect.
That's why I can't root for him.
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148 Sue
November 18, 2013 at 7:11 AM
And we say the show is bad and and and steal watching it and talk about it , love Kim tan hate YD ...... So some how we like it or no one will but the time to watch it or talk about it .
Lee min ho very nice this ep even what he wear is nice
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149 jingyi
November 18, 2013 at 11:08 AM
"because Eun-sang is clearly acting like a person who wants to be with Tan, but saying things to keep him at arm’s length" have you ever been in love? have you ever experienced being in love with someone you shouldn't be with? your heart wants to stay, but your brain keeps telling you to stay away instead? you try your hardest to do what is "right" but your heart gives in EVERY TIME. because i have. and i truly understand. and i'm sure in my case, it happened more than a dozen time, enough to break me completely before i scutter off to save the last of me.
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150 dawn
November 18, 2013 at 1:04 PM
ok, so i was skimming through the first few episodes today (as someone who cringes at the sound of korean celebrities struggling to sound like they're fluent in english, i decided to not really watch the eps filmed in america), and was reminded of ES's promise to KT to buy him dinner. I think she's going to buy him that dinner right before going abroad to study at the orders of KT's dad... and KT probably won't know it's going to be their last dinner, which will make him only find out ES is leaving the country on the morning she leaves, which will then lead him to do an obligatory k-drama airport chase to hold her back :P idk just my theory
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