You’re the Best, Lee Soon-shin: Episodes 33-34 [Open Thread]
by javabeans
Wow. It took the show 34 episodes to figure out that if you cast a singer (or two) in the lead role of a drama, maybe we’d want to see them sing. Give the writer a cookie. Although… it might be a little moldy and stale from WAITING SO LONG. Just sayin’.
The gist:
Soon-shin moves in with Mi-ryung. However, she’s not happy about it, and doesn’t hide it. Mi-ryung tries to win her over a few times before she gets petulant too. It’s a lot of petulance.
Mi-ryung continues to try to dictate Soon-shin’s career, but Soon-shin puts her foot down and only works with Jun-ho, who prepares her for auditions. A tiny background role for a drama comes up for an aspiring singer character and he remembers her stage performance and gears her toward that. This gives a few moments of cuteness in each episode, worth a watch with a finger on the fast-forward button.
Yeon-ah feels pushed aside and threatened now that Mi-ryung is ignoring her. So she gets extra-bitchy with Soon-shin, especially when Jun-ho’s obvious interest keeps growing. She has tried to keep out of Soon-shin’s casting issues, telling Mi-ryung that nepotism never gets an actor very far, but finally she snaps and (1) signs on to the drama Soon-shin is auditioning for, (2) tags along to auditions, (3) gets all set up to make Soon-shin miserable.
Highlights:
There are a number of Jun-ho and Soon-shin scenes in these two episodes, which is a good thing and long overdue. Sadly they no longer get me as excited as they used to, but it helps since the other sisters are getting less interesting.
So Soon-shin hears that she’s not her father’s daughter and this is crushing. For anybody else to care I would be frustrated at the “bloodline rules all” implications, but it makes sense for Soon-shin because she yells at Mi-ryung that she stole away her mother, and now also her father.
Jun-ho insists on accompanying Soon-shin following her confrontation with Mi-ryung, insisting that he can’t let her go because she’ll worry him too much. He at one point pats her on the shoulder, but when she shoots him a look, he’s all, Oh look, a mosquito. I love how much he is the opposite of smooth.
Then when they’re eating over drinks, he misinterprets her reaction to the soup and thinks it’s too hot, and starts fanning her bowl with his hands. Gah, I love him when he’s being all dorky. It’s why he’s a great romantic interest (when he’s not being stalkery) because he cares about her feelings more than anything else.
Jun-ho also advises her that nothing about her family discoveries matters with how she should actually feel about them, and adds philosophically that everybody lives for themselves in the end. That sounds selfish, but it helps and she later parrots that back to Mi-ryung.
The morning-after scene is worth it just for assistant In-sung’s hilarious reaction to seeing Soon-shin sleeping in Jun-ho’s office. Jun-ho looks super pleased with himself to watch her sleep (um, it’s sweet, I swear, not vampire-creepy) and goes out to buy her toiletries and breakfast.
Soon-shin goes on her first audition, which gives Jun-ho the opportunity to give her my favorite of his many facial expressions:
She bombs that and he tells her encouragingly that they’ve only begun. Also, he shares that you can want something too much and it can stress you out and ruin how you perform, which is why he ended his singing career before it began.
Soon they pick a new audition which requires her to sing. She can play a little guitar so they go with that, while Jun-ho advises that she not pick a dance song since she can’t dance. This leads to some cute flirting with him insisting he can dance, which just leads to him tripping. HA. And it turns out, when he’s not falling on top of her, he’s dragging her to fall on top of him. I’m not complaining.
A conversation with Mom reminds Soon-shin of her Dad’s favorite song, and that inspires her to change her song choice. When she struggles to play it on guitar, Jun-ho takes over, which gives us about five seconds of a duet. I guess I’ll take it.
Jun-ho ignores Yeon-ah’s lunch invitation in favor of that practice, and when she tells him he can go, he says, “Right now, this is most important. [looks away] You’re the most important.”
When Yeon-ah gets pissy about Jun-ho liking Soon-shin now, Young-hoon actually tells her she should’ve treated him well while she had him. Ha. He says it in his nice way since he’s a nice guy, but the words are kinda satisfying.
Yeon-ah sits in on Soon-shin’s audition and is prepared to be a huge raging bitch about it, but in an underhanded way—after insinuating that she’ll get Soon-shin cut, she asks the director to cast her. Keep your enemies close, I suppose?
But then Soon-shin starts singing and Yeon-ah looks gratifyingly threatened because she’s actually good.
(Song: “잊혀진 계절” / “Forgotten Season”)
Lowlights:
So sad, but Bread Man makes the lowlights list this time. He tells Bread Boy that he has to stop lessons now, because he likes Hye-shin so much and he can’t bear to face her anymore. (She’s such a good person for not holding his past against him… but that makes him feel even more like he doesn’t have the right to like her. Or something. I’m not sure.)
Hye-shin overhears his tearful confession and then starts acting really weird around Bread Man. This makes me sad for him and a little angry at her. I get that she feels weird about him liking her, not because he’s an ex-con, but still. It’s like abandoning someone right after they’ve been the most vulnerable.
Chicken Ajumma continues to be a pain in the ass about Yoo-shin. Chicken Ajusshi points out that the reason she doesn’t like Yoo-shin is because she wants a daughter-in-law she can control.
The two ajummas have another fight, but this time Chicken Ajumma brings up ancient grievances like how Mom was always so uppity and superior about her wonderful awesome life and her wonderful awesome husband/kids and how she looked down on Chicken Ajumma all her life. I’ve gotta say, it’s hard to side with anyone in this because they’re both kind of terrible, but yeah, I can see Ajumma’s point since Mom does have that insufferable martyr complex.
But later I guess it smooths the path for more understanding (or whatever) because Mom apologizes if she ever treated Ajumma badly and they make up, sort of.
Yoo-shin tries to win over Ajumma by cooking and cleaning for her, and Ajumma kicks her out of the house. But it gives her the idea to use Yoo-shin’s own tactics against her, and she sets her to cleaning the toilets and doing all the housework. Chan-woo is sweet and insists on taking over the work and gives Yoo-shin a foot rub, which is really very cute until Ajumma sees them.
Jun-ho’s mother starts to suspect weirdness about her husband’s closeness with Mi-ryung. Thus far it’s all been aboveboard, though I do think Dr. Shin likes Mi-ryung more than he likes his wife at this point, but I don’t blame Mom for worrying. Still, I find her very wearying and smug so I can’t really care.
Soon-shin’s family drives me NUTS. Once she’s gone, they complain that she actually left, like they weren’t screaming at her that she wasn’t family just an episode ago. So Grandma gets mad at Soon-shin’s “betrayal.” Then Soon-shin comes home and Grandma gets mad that she’s back. Then Soon-shin packs a bag to leave and Grandma gets mad that she’s leaving for real. This all happens in the span of about three minutes. Basically, Grandma needs no excuse to be mad.
Mi-ryung forgets Yeon-ah’s birthday and keeps asking her for advice on what to do about Soon-shin, because she has no shame and no tact. Yeon-ah is hurt and asks whether Mi-ryung ever thought of her as daughter.
I would feel sorry for Yeon-ah, only then she turns right around and is a terrible sniping bitch to Soon-shin, insinuating that she’s an ungrateful coattail-rider who would abandon her adoptive family in a flash just so she can be famous. Ugh, Yeon-ah.
The only consolation is that it’s actually really satisfying to watch her face when Jun-ho turns down her birthday lunch, then walks into The Only Restaurant In the Universe with Soon-shin. Then Soon-shin excuses herself (because it’s the most awkward gathering ever with Jun-ho’s mother and sister making bitchy comments to her face—gossiping harpies, I swear) and Jun-ho excuses himself to leave with Soon-shin.
Yeon-ah smirks as Soon-shin blunders her way through the audition reading, only to look unsettled when she rocks the song.
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- You’re the Best, Lee Soon-shin: Episode 7
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- You’re the Best, Lee Soon-shin: Episodes 3-4
- You’re the Best, Lee Soon-shin: Episodes 1-2
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1 Ivoire
June 30, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Thanks!
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Ivoire
June 30, 2013 at 8:05 PM
Oh, I have been waiting for this... Thank you JB!
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a_fan
July 4, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Chicken Ajussi is Soon Shin's father. Yep. Pretty sure he is.
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Ivoire
July 5, 2013 at 3:29 PM
Really?!!!! Hum...
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parksedul
July 1, 2013 at 5:48 AM
LOL, after the success of Ojakgyo Brothers, Unexpected You and My Daughter Seo Young, the time slot for this drama earned the name "Golden Slot." Also, because all the stations air news at that time, so there is no competition on the way for the dramas to earn national drama ratings. But with the bombing of YBLSS, I think it has hurt the infallibility of the time slot. Even the awful 100 Year Inheritance had high ratings in a more competitive slot. From the get go, it was obvious this drama is boring, poorly cast, draggy, cliched and worn out. At this point it is like an injured animal crawling to the finish line, begging to be put out of its misery.
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Ivoire
July 1, 2013 at 8:21 AM
I actually watched ep. 33 subbed (I still have to watch ep. 34 subbed, I watched it raw). I don't agree with your description of it. The acting was good, imho, and yes it is not perfect, but it is not horrible as you make it sound. JJS and IU and the rest of the cast are good in it, more than good, and the writing was not bad. I actually understood some of the characters' motivations. The romance is slow though (of LSS and JH).
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methfairy
August 13, 2013 at 2:50 PM
I honestly think I'm one of the few who truly appreciate and am able to endure the long-winded writing of this show :( Mi-ryung and Yeon-Ah are quite unbearable but I still do care about the rest of the characters.
Admittedly E20 to E29 was weary, and I had to take a long break before watching E30. It's funny how I can love a show so dearly and then a couple of bad episodes take away THAT feeling I had........ and all I'm left with is only the memory of having loved that show but unable to feel the overwhelming love I had. I was sad and afraid that I'd be unable to fall in love with it again, but E30 gave me hope, the bus scene was almost perfect. I then stayed away from the show for a few weeks because I felt I needed to in order to let the negative thoughts dissolve by itself. Then E31...E32...E33..... I'm glad to say that I found back the exact emotions I had for this show.
Just for the first 20 eps, this show already completed me and makes me feel something which other dramas don't, I'll give them credit for that. I keep finding myself defending parts of the show which people do not appreciate; and I'm proud to still be a faithful and dedicated supporter of Lee Soon Shin & Co.
Sometimes when I find a rare gem of a show, I usually tell myself at the middle of it, "Even if the episodes from here goes downhill, it won't matter because this show already has my heart under lock & key." This drama is it.
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a_fan
July 4, 2013 at 3:24 PM
Chicken Ajussi is Soon Shin's biological father.
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2 Hipployta
June 30, 2013 at 8:14 PM
Yeah the end of the episode with SS/IU singing Jaejoong's song...was glorious LOL...YA's face LOL
Chicken Ahjumma is so dramatic...but I'm REALLY confused because I thought I heard JA told her she would tell YS to stop seeing CW...I mean...What? Chicken Ahjussi tries to get YS to understand Chicken Ahjumma a bit better but she just acted more crazy as a resutlt. Yoo Shin and Chan Woo are just about to move out I guess.
Mi Ryung lying about SS staying the night there is partially what kicked of Grandma's rant...but really anything would get her started
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3 Adverseffects
June 30, 2013 at 8:16 PM
Gahh, this show makes me so mad. It should have played on its strengths (Jun-ho and Soon-shin) instead of taking so much freaking time figuring out the birth secret stuff. I get that they needed a valid conflict to get us through a chunk of the episodes, but that's the inherent problem with family dramas--they have a tendency pick the wrong conflict to focus on. >:(
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MEalways
June 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM
Ho, you should see Okjagyo's Brother.
Although I followed this most diligently - in my version, 75% watching is diligent - but ohohoho... I can't stand the birth-secret-DRAMAS!
After being hate by the grandma - grandma forgave. Being hate by the father - father forgave.... Big bomb being hate by mother - and Joo Won went crazy....
Oh family-Kdrama...
I dropped TBLSS several weeks ago. I think it's now the time to watch again...
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4 bebeswtz
June 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM
Rofli can't help but laugh at the recap for these 2 episodes, maybe it's cuz of all the inserted side comments made by Javabeans?? Nonetheless, I was entertained, so thanks so much for the recap, Javabeans n.n Now, onto ACTUALLY watching the episodes~!!! ㅋㅋ
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Windsun33
June 30, 2013 at 10:28 PM
I thought the recap was better than the shows, actually.
Not sure if that is a complement or not, with this show :)
I tried to watch a bit (obviously with the FF button close at hand), and there is just so much in this drama that makes NO sense at all. The psycho grandmother's "betrayal" crap is just one example - first they drive her out, then they whine when she leaves.
Every time I try to watch it, I feel like I am watching video of schizophrenic harpy families. About the only saving grace for these two episodes is that it looks like SS finally managed to grow at least 1 or 2 vertebrae for a backbone.
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bebeswtz
July 1, 2013 at 2:08 PM
there was more balance within these 2 episodes compared to all the previous episodes when it comes to our Pabo Couple scenes vs. all the other makjang/Lee Sisters scenes n.n So that was an improvement =)
Here's to hoping that the drama will FINALLY deliver what it promised us viewers from the beginning of the premise, that is: MOAR Pabo Couple scenes (and somehow insert some Young Hoon oppa in there too, even though we all know he's not gonna get the girl T.T), and more development towards Soon Shin's story and her development as a character, self identity, and her career n.n
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5 jademwong
June 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM
So glad you're still recapping this sort of, because personally I can barely sit through the show even when I fast forward, but I'm still.curious at how it all.ends lol...thank.you for this!
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6 LoraFrosty
June 30, 2013 at 8:24 PM
I stopped watching at episode 30. So far, I still see no point in going back, as long as Soon-Shin's family is still acting all crazy and Mi-Ryung drives people nuts - I'm out.
If only this turned out to be as good as Ojakgyu Brothers, it really had the potential....
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iamdeb
June 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM
is there anywhere to watch Ojakgyu brothers? I can't find it anywhere :(
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ck1Oz
June 30, 2013 at 9:28 PM
Viki
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risa
June 30, 2013 at 9:31 PM
Looks like it's on gooddrama dot net (Ojakgyo is spelled with an "o" at the end).
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Anna Áhel
July 1, 2013 at 1:13 AM
Good Drama: Ojakgyo Brothers 58 ep. Dramacrazy net
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Hedviglilla
July 1, 2013 at 9:22 AM
at Dramacrazy net you can find almost every Kdrama, Jdrama and at Dramaholics com some Kdramas
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7 Nanaki
June 30, 2013 at 8:24 PM
Kdrama: making you cry for What Could Have Been.
I think I'm in mourning for that Show I saw in the first ten or so episodes. What happened to it?
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8 KS
June 30, 2013 at 8:36 PM
Sigh, this show. You could have been so much better. I'm barely even skimming the show now.
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I started watching the other family weekend drama, Wonderful Mama and I am loving it. The pace, writing and acting is all good. It's on episode 24 so it could go Lee Soon-shin in the future but I really doubt it.
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9 crazedlu
June 30, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Soonshin... finally......... sings...
Well, we crawled there, but we're here.
I'm just excited for the happy endings that are bound to come.
Waiting. ~
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Windsun33
June 30, 2013 at 10:32 PM
I find myself not really caring if there is a happy ending or not, only reason I stick around even watching a few seconds of the episodes and reading the recaps is because I keep hoping that grandma will get eaten by a land shark or something, along with all the other screeching psycho-moms.
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MEK
July 1, 2013 at 8:49 AM
lol on land shark...me too i want her eaten by one
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Windsun33
July 1, 2013 at 2:02 PM
To be honest, I was not that impressed with her singing in the series, far from her best - perhaps because it was not studio manufactured.
While there are a few really good Korean singers (ranging from Kim Jung Mi in the 70's to Sunye, Ailee, and Lee Hi currently), I don't think she is quite there yet. (being a k-pop diva star does not mean you can sing well...). I find IU's singing pretty variable - if you watch a few of the live videos such as on youtube, she seems to lack some voice control.
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Windsun33
July 1, 2013 at 3:20 PM
I take back part of what I said - turns out that the audio quality on the first site was not good, found version with the original Dolby 5.1 etc and good audio, and it sounds much better 2nd time around.
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 8:17 PM
I don't usually listen to K-pop, so I hadn't heard IU sing b4. Matter of fact, I never heard of her b4 this show. The song she did at the end of ep 34 blew me away. She surprised me for how soulful her singing can be.
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crazedlu
July 2, 2013 at 2:05 PM
she's on that list of really goods for me. wish the girl would use her power vocals more, like in her debut song, "mia".
don't know why they give her songs that require her to use a baby downed voice...
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10 Quinze
June 30, 2013 at 8:51 PM
Hah I basically watched these episodes for the cute raw since I don't care about the plot. Just give me the weekly cute and I'll just move along.
Sadly, like you said even the cute doesn't hit the same mark it once did. I mean I was pleased with IU and JJS as always but that's about it. If this was 10 episodes back-hell even 6 episodes back I might have been more excited. Now I'm just mournful of the weeks I wasted.
The problem now is there's no balance. They've basically sucked all the f--ks we give out so all I'm left with is a weekly chance to see two people act independent of whether the show does anything. And it's not like they ever really progress. They're STILL in the flirting stage and we STILL have no confirmation of whether SS really like JH.
I know I sound bitter. I guess I still am.
Grumble grumble.
Still it was nice to see JH in his element again. He was hitting a really desperate low when he was hiding out in bushes to catch a glimpse of her.
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Ivoire
June 30, 2013 at 11:51 PM
Hi Quinze,
Thank you for reminding us of this, " they’re STILL in the flirting stage and we STILL have no confirmation of whether SS really like JH." I had forgotten about that, but it is true that we still don't know how SS feels about JH (mainly whether she is falling in love with him or not). I am still waiting for them (the leads) to realize that they are falling in love with each other (I hope). When will that happen? In ep. 45? 49 maybe? (I am being facetious here).
This waiting thing is taking a looooooong time. (but who is counting?)
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Quinze
July 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM
It's so easy to forget! They have so few scenes together that when we get the tiniest bit we get excited. But considering most of us have hit that breaking point where we've lost patience with this drama it's like the shades are coming off.
I don't even know if there WILL be romance at this point.
I've just lost all hope that this drama's writer will deliver on any plot point except his/her beloved birth secret "Who's Yo Daddy?" bs...
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Ivoire
July 1, 2013 at 2:46 PM
This, "t’s so easy to forget! They have so few scenes together that when we get the tiniest bit we get excited. But considering most of us have hit that breaking point where we’ve lost patience with this drama it’s like the shades are coming off."
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement here. The times with JH and SS are so few and in between, that when they happen, we go "awww..." but I have yet to see SS show that she likes JH. We have seen JH slowly fall in love with SS, and I think that for me, part of the problem is that I know that both of them are the OTP, so because I know (although at this point, anything can happen, as you said), I am just assuming that they will show us (at some point, right?) that they have romantic feelings for each other. I am also hoping that they will confess (to each other) before the drama is over.
Well, knowing what we are supposed to expect to see is not enough. As we know by now (based on what we have seen so far), we actually need to see it *sigh*, because what we have assumed would happen still has not happened, when it comes to other things/themes. I would like to see what is going on with LSS. HOW does she feel about JH, really? I almost feel that it is not fair (to JH) that we get to see his emotional and romantic journey, but not hers. Not fair at all. It takes two to tango, we need to see how the other half of this couple (to be, hopefully) is faring in her romantic journey as well. JH needs to get some love too :-)...
*****Rant Over*****
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Quinze
July 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM
YES!
How are you going to show JH's emotional journey a.k.a. 'stalk and moon over SS for 34 episodes' without even ONE scene of reciprocation from her?!
34 EPISODES! Seriously by know you'd think we'd have had 2/3 couple by now at least.
I keep wondering if they keep doing this to "protect" IU's image since she's so young vs JJS. But honestly, why cast an actress you're uncomfortable putting opposite an actor like him and WASTE his talent if the female lead doesn't reciprocate. Or show any indication she cares about JH outside of him being her mentor??
Like I can't even SEE her getting together at this point because that calls for actual emotional progression of her feeling from 'This guy is crazy' to 'This guy's a dork but he's a cool mentor' to 'Potential boyfriend/husband/Pretty arm accessory for all those awards shows I'll one day be attending'. Seems she got stuck in the middle and never moved forward.
Don't get me wrong, I adore IU and she's done a great job so far and her chemistry with JJS is obviously why we've been HOOKED into this mess. But if this lack of actual progress is because of her image then she was wrongly cast. It's just unfair to take an amazing actor like JJS and make his LEAD character a veritable puppy to follow SS around for 34 episodes. Not 5 or 10 but 34!! It gets to that point where you wonder whether this writer knows what he/she is doing.
Like just NO. I didn't sign up for a 50 episode 'My two batshit Mommies' drama!
...
So I just continued your rant I guess. lol got carried away!
Ivoire
July 2, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Hello Quinze again!
So good to read from you again. I hope that you will see this message. I wholeheartedly agree with all that you said in your 1st paragraph, and that was well said.
I also agree with what you said in your 2nd #, and although I do like IU as SS (I think that she is doing a really good job, she has not dropped the ball yet), JJS IS being wasted (some) and he should not have to bear the consequences of casting an actress and idol whose image the people in K-entertainment want to protect. I have nothing against IU's image being protected, however like you said, why not cast a (slightly) older actress who could play the role well and could handle skinship and falling in love (pretending to) with JJS/JH. A disservice is being done to JJS, to the viewers and to this drama, is what I think.
I find it interesting that (maybe) IU's image is being protected, when Suzy (on GFB) was made to kiss LSG for 2 whole mns AND she had a LOT of skinship with him as well. Suzy is 2 years younger than IU and I am not trying to tell the Korean agencies how to treat their idols, just pointing out that fact, because I found it interesting (and that makes me a little curious), that's all (I also believe that IU and Suzy belong to different agencies, maybe?)
I am on your 3rd # now :-). I thought the plot called for the OTP being SS and JH, but that is hard to tell now, as you said because we haven't seen LSS have/show some emotional and romantic progression towards JH, besides the awkward moments they keep sharing (falling on top of each other, accidental hugs, etc...) which are cute in the 1st 10 or 15 episodes, and get old after that. I am at the point where (seriously), I am watching this drama with a mental checklist: ah, moony eye watching (check), moving hair away from face (check), smiling when other person is not watching (checking), trying to say something nice and encouraging which comes out wrong (check), you get my drift :-)...
And again, I agree with all you said in your 3rd ep., which again you said so well.
Your 4th #: I do agree that IU does have chemistry with JJS, which is why many of us are willing to give them a chance really, but something needs to happen at this point, no? (Just wondering...) Are we asking for too much at this point? We do get that it is a family drama (and a weekend one) so things will be slow, and they won't show too much (kissing wise, etc...). We get it, we know. How about moving the main plot along (or you know, a few of them, like IU/SS trying to get into show business and how hard and tricky that can be, and her falling in love with JH in the process).
So sad that JB or GF started the recap of ep 1 (I think) with something along the lines of JH having 6 months to transform LSS into a star, aka having 6 months to fall in love with LSS. What ever happened to THAT plot? (I am just asking, I am not yelling :-) ).
And based on what I have just written so far, it should be no surprise that I also wholeheartedly agree with ALL that you have said in your 4th # (also well written! You hit it on the nail as far as I am concerned).
I really loved this, "Like just NO. I didn’t sign up for a 50 episode ‘My two batshit Mommies’ drama!" :-)
With what the writer(s) has/have done with this drama and the amazing premise, I don't see anything wrong with ranting. We did not want to do this, we were led there, is what I say. I guess I got carried away as well, thank you for being a part of this rant :-)
Quinze
July 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM
This might have been the best reply I've ever gotten! You are awesome :)
Heh I fully expected to be torn apart because I know a LOT of people adore IU and don't like hearing criticism of her (which I wasn't really doing but people can take it that way).
I'm glad you think so as well. And you make a great point of comparison about Suzy. Maybe you're right about her being from a different agency. Also I think people dub IU the "Little Sister" of Korea so even though she's older I think she projects a much more innocent and younger image in her music and performance.
It makes little sense to me personally because acting sort of comes with the expectation that you have to play all sorts of roles. It doesn't mean that she as a person becomes that character. But I dunno, older Korean fans are I think more sensitive about that kind of thing. .
Hah you're so right about the mental checklist! I hadn't thought of it like that but you're right that's how I watch these episodes these days too. lol well she didn't get a piggyback ride from him so anything's possible right?
*sigh* Even if they never even kissed, if they actually had progression of the main storyline that included these two working together to makes SS a start I think we'd have been a little less upset. Because it would still mean these two would have had scenes together and plenty of chemistry and talent to keep us interested. Taking them out to focus on shrill mommies was just...stupid and beyond ridiculous.
Man I so agree. Where IS that plot? I liked that plot. I was all for it.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that keeps coming back despite it all. Makes me feel like I'm less crazy. Thanks for your comment and fellow ranting!
Ivoire
July 5, 2013 at 3:35 PM
Hello Quinze,
I just wanted to stop by and let you know that I did see that you responded, and though I have not had the opportunity to read your answer in full, I will make an effort to read it tonight and respond to it (I hope) as well. I am on DB time, so when I say tonight, I mean tonight by the time posted on this blog.
I hope you will see this response, because I really enjoy our conversations and our going back and forth.
11 brian
June 30, 2013 at 8:53 PM
At the very least guys -- these episodes are where the show should have been about 20 episodes ago, and they are entertaining when the mains are on screen. Got to love the growing friendship between them -- I think she'll catch on eventually that he is really going above and beyond most managers.
On a side note -- Soon Shin can really sing! The song she sings at the end of 34 sounds wonderful -- I'm sure the director that Yeon-ah tries to coerce will be forced to pick Soon Shin because talent is really hard to overlook.
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Quinze
July 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM
heh if I could only have taken back the weeks I'd wasted I'd be happier. I would love to pretend the last few weeks of drudgery didn't happen and just tune in when the cute started up.
I'm glad her auditions are back- that's actually the fun part because you get to SEE her talent.
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12 ilikemangos
June 30, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Im thinking of what could have been if YTBLSS didn't have this dang birth secret because then this writer wouldn't constantly use this worn out cliche and drag everyone else down with it.
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Nanaki
June 30, 2013 at 9:12 PM
But then how would she spin this out for fifty episodes?! (Oh, wait, character development and organic conflict. Riiight.)
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ilikemangos
July 1, 2013 at 10:29 AM
What is this character development and organic conflict you speak of?
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Ivoire
July 2, 2013 at 6:17 AM
LOL ilikemangos! And so well said!!!!! I don't think those exist in this writer's universe, unfortunately :-(
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13 Fun-Lugha
June 30, 2013 at 8:54 PM
First things first, hands up if ur watching 'Goddess of marriage'!!! I am officially in love, first and foremost with the pretty and what else? The smexy of cuz-ha! Didn't think I'd ever root for LSW's character but how can anyone in their right minds not root for such a guy?! Sorry, Lawyer oppa, I'll go back to u when u start showing some spine and not just talking the talk!
Onto SS, the sad thing is once they've exhausted the whole birth secret story then the last thing left is dad's death and mi ryung's involvement, which should take us about 15 eps?? till end of show it is then-Lord grant us patience!
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risa
June 30, 2013 at 9:27 PM
Speaking of Goddess of Marriage, it was funny to see Mi Ryung's house being used as one of the sets-- it even had the same living room furniture. Throw in a couple actresses who look the same as the did in their most recent dramas, and you get the When Drama Worlds Collide Effect.
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Waiting
July 1, 2013 at 2:40 AM
Risa,
I walked back in the room and thought I was watching YTBLSS! It is fine that they are using the same place, but I wish they would at least attempt to make it look different - use different angles, change the furniture, etc. I couldn't help waiting for My Ryung to walk in and sit on her sofa.
Another similarity is the Jedudo wind turbines and the black (volcanic??) rock..we saw this in When A Man Loves. Again, are there no other places to go or camera angles??
One other similarity...in King 2 Hearts, the sister and the Captain of the Guard sat on stone (?) wall..same wall that the leads of I Summon You Gold sat on in an episode....same camera angle.
One of these days I am hoping to see the cast of one drama show up/walk passed/eating in the same place. Now that would be great...evem better if Running Man was filming and their location just happened to be in a drama. I'd love to see some of these drama worlds collide. :D
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 8:15 PM
Yep, the same house is used in LSS and GoM. Only they put posters of skulls on the wall of the staircase in GoM. I actually think that that'd suit MR more. At least it reflects her personality more!
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 8:44 PM
Oh, and you guys speaking of GoM, why don't we ever run into sb who looks like LSW when we go on a trip? If we backpack around Jeju, would that increase our chances?
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Ivoire
July 2, 2013 at 3:50 PM
Good question KDaddict! I would like to know myself (why we don't run into someone like LSW when we go on a trip, or even in our real lives :-) ).
And this: "If we backpack around Jeju, would that increase our chances?" Would it? I wish it would :-)...
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14 Abbie
June 30, 2013 at 8:55 PM
Okay. This is just getting annoying. I'm still watching, don't get me wrong. But basically I'm watching for the Soon-shin/Jun-ho scenes. Everything else is just filler. I really don't understand this writer. The show is called You're the Best, LEE SOON-SHIN! So, tell me, why are we wasting so much time on all these other characters who only serve as plot devices, or have little to no relevance to the main storyline, and just aggravate the hell out of everyone? IU and Jo Jung-seok carry this show. If it weren't for them, I would have given this show up for good about ten episodes back. It just makes me so angry to see how this family rom-com has turned into a melodrama. It's all the writer's fault, too. I don't blame the actors, because they're just acting out a script. But this writer really sucks. The show does cute well, but then it turns a complete 180 and drags the show down with all the angst and melodrama, and the petty characters don't do the show any favors either. For right now, like I said, I'm watching for Soon-shin and Jun-ho, and because I really want to know who Soon-shin's biological father is.
Yeon-ah, Yeon-ah, Yeon-ah. Why must you be so hateful. Up until now, I hated her, but felt a little bad about the way Mi-ryung basically pushed her aside in favor of Soon-shin. Now, I just hate her. I saw this behavior coming, too. She just has the really petty, ugly, bitchy personality that grates on my very last nerves, to no end. I really wonder how Jun-ho ever loved her. At least now he sees what a terrible person she is. And I just feel so satisfied whenever he snubs her, because she snubbed him, and is just a gold-digger.
Jun-ho's mom and sister are two other hateful people in this show. I really don't understand why they act the way they do towards Mi-ryung and Soon-shin (even though I hate to lump these two together). Yi-jung and her mother are just elitist snobs, if ever there were ones. They find joy in looking down on everyone else and rubbing their noses with all the things they have, like a family (as dysfunctional as it is), or a rich daddy who will (maybe) get them whatever they want. I actually wonder how Yi-jung will react when she learns her precious Doctor Park is engaged, and Soon-shin is related to his fiancée. Maybe not by blood, but they are sisters in every other way that matters. At least, they were when Yoo-shin wasn't being a bitch.
And that's another thing. HOW IN THE HECK CAN SOON-SHIN'S FAMILY TURN ON HER LIKE THAT?! Blood ties aren't all that's important, people! For her entire life Soon-shin grew up with these people not knowing, while everyone else did, that she was adopted. And as soon as she finds out, and her father's identity gets called into question, these people, who she loves, by the way, who raised her and loved her in return for over 20 years, turn on her in blink of an eye. If Chang-hoon had been her father, she would have had a blood tie (since this is apparently SO important) to Granny, Hye-shin, Yoo-shin, and Woo-joo. But this belief doesn't stop Yoo-shin from being a bitch. Do they know he isn't her father now? I haven't seen these episodes yet, so I don't know if she told them. I'm not knocking the importance of blood ties. I'm grateful everyday of the blood I share with my parents, brothers and the other members of my family. But blood isn't the only deciding factor when it comes to family. We can choose new families, made up of friends or other people that we love. Seriously, have these people never seen Shut Up Flower Boy Band, a perfect example of a makeshift family if there ever was one.
And don't even get me started on the craziness that is Mi-ryung. After giving her baby away, acting like she never had one, and then deciding to out the truth, without even discussing it with, let alone telling, Soon-shin, she expects to act like nothing happened? I. Don't. Get. Her.
Now, Bread Man. This is a message for you, specifically. Just because you went to prison doesn't mean you are undeserving of love. You are a sweet, kind, funny, hard-working, and strong man, and if Hye-shin doesn't realize that (though I think she does, and is just afraid to get involved with someone after her disaster of a marriage) then she doesn't deserve you. That's all.
Chicken Ahjumma is an annoying, meddlesome woman. I'm amazed that Chicken Ahjusshi is actually calling her out on her behavior. Way to go, Ahjusshi. In this case, I feel bad for Yoo-shin, but that doesn't excuse her behavior towards Soon-shin. And Chan-woo is sweet but boring. Sorry, Chan-woo.
I think I've pretty much covered everything I wanted to say. This little rant turned out to be longer than I thought it would be. Sorry for that. Thanks for the weecap, Javabeans!
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yumii
June 30, 2013 at 10:36 PM
And that’s another thing. HOW IN THE HECK CAN SOON-SHIN’S FAMILY TURN ON HER LIKE THAT?
Sadly, except for her mother, that is how they have always treated her. Yoo-Shin has always beaten up Soon-Shin verbally when the world doesn't go her way. Grandma has always treated Soon-Shin with contempt, except for the beief moment when he reached out assuming that they shared bloodlines. I guess hatred for Myrung trumps bloodlines. And Hye-Shin has always felt bad but did nothing about how Soon-Shin is treated.
Even mother is back to her original understanding way after her detour in inexplicable taking her husband 'infidelity' out on his 'love child.'
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Abbie
July 1, 2013 at 6:59 AM
Yes, the mother annoys me too. But I think she realizes she took out all her anger at her husband on Soon-shin in a totally unfair way, because the girl did deserve it. And Mom's anger is based on conjecture from what? A picture that is at least 30 years old and a scarf. Things aren't always what they appear to be. So, I can forgive her (a very little bit) for the way she acted towards Soon-shin.
I'm a little surprised at Hye-shin's behavior. It makes me mad that she can act this way towards Bread Man, when he was only ever nice to EVERYONE in her family. Even her bratty daughter. When most people would have lost their cool, too. I do think she's wary of starting anything, if there's a chance she could get hurt again. She may have some trust issues when it comes to men, which is totally understandable, but instead of ignoring Bread Man, she should just talk to him about his feelings and her feelings. But common sense isn't always apparent in dramaland.
So yes, this family is really effed up. On their own, the sisters are (usually) bearable, but get the whole family together, and it's ticking time bomb. And poor Soon-shin is usually the one to unwittingly set it off.
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Abbie
July 1, 2013 at 7:03 AM
Sorry, I meant "But I think she realizes she took out all her anger at her husband on Soon-shin in a totally unfair way, because the girl did NOT deserve it."
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Chloe
July 1, 2013 at 8:41 AM
i'm loving Mum at the moment. All those earlier episodes spent hating her while she was spending ages brooding and taking her feelings out on Soon Shin - here she is, redeeming herself! She's being totally forgiving, understanding and not pushing SS away when she really needs someone she can actually rely on when even her sisters seem to be turning against her at the moment.
I don't hate yeon ah, even though she's pretty bitchy. at the start, she wasn't totally looking down on Soon Shin when Mi Ryung was, especially at the scene when MR's assistant (what's his name again?) pushed her to the ground in front of Mi Ryung's gate. Bitchy Mi Ryung was totally smirking while Yeon Ah actually looked like she had some humanity in her. i also sympathize with Yeon Ah's character since Mi Ryung is really treating Yeon Ah just like how Soon Shin is treating Mi Ryung at the moment - completely disregarding her feelings.
I'm so not looking forward to the moment when Papa Shin is revealed! That would mean that Soon Shin and Jun ho can't be together? Nooooooo
And is Hye-Shin simply afraid of getting into another relationship due to trust issues, or is she misunderstanding his 'confession'? Did she think he's referring to someone else, and felt embarrassed because of her offer for them to 'give and take' with one on one lessons?
Finally, I don't find Soon Shin's (or IU's?) singing particularly spectacular, or enough to make the casting directors sit up. I like IU's performances, but I find her singing in this drama pretty disappointing...
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michelle
July 1, 2013 at 9:57 PM
about Soon Shin's singing--well, she's not supposed to be some stellar singer. She just supposedly sings well. There's a difference between being singing spectacularly and just being able to sing well, and Soon Shin's character falls into the latter.
KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 8:32 AM
I FF thru so much of it that I've not the foggiest idea what their thinking is on that matter. Is there any logic behind it? Probably not.
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Windsun33
July 1, 2013 at 1:09 PM
Nope, no logic whatsoever - but that pretty much defines this entire series.
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Lea
June 30, 2013 at 11:06 PM
Today I was mad at a character I thought I wouldn't really get mad at, and that was Hye-Shin for that exact same reason!
That was Bread man's past, you can't change something that happened but you can change yourself and that's what Jin wook did, and we all LOVE him for it.
..BUT how Hye shin acted made me madder than all the halmoni's and ahjummas combined in this drama. Bread man has been nothing but super sweet to her and her attitude daughter and she just ignored him.
Yes she had a train wreck of a marriage, but what is she 8? Act like an adult.. but look at me asking a character to act like an adult in this drama, when some [40+] characters act like elementary students -__- *sighs*
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Quinze
June 30, 2013 at 11:29 PM
Was she avoiding him because of his past or because of his feelings? I watched it raw so I wasn't quite sure. I'm not so much annoyed that she avoided being around him as much that she IGNORED him blatantly. Like wtf, the guy has been an ANGEL towards you. He's not asking you for anything. You could just acknowledge his greeting AT LEAST.
I was waiting for HS to strike out from my list of decent people in this drama (it's a very short list) but it just sucks to see it happen :\
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Ivoire
June 30, 2013 at 11:45 PM
So sad what HY did to Bread Man. I watched it raw as well, so I wasn't totally sure of what was going on. I haven't watched it subbed yet.
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h311ybean
July 1, 2013 at 1:30 AM
I just checked the above recap (which is all I have to go on until I see these episodes a few weeks from now) and Dramabeans is interpreting it as Hye-shin feeling awkward about knowing Bread Guy's feelings for her.
I'm glad that she doesn't seem to be holding his ex-con past against him, consistent with her reaction when she found out in a previous episode, but the fact remains that her behavior is hurting Bread Guy. He is my favorite, so that makes it unacceptable :-p
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Lea
July 1, 2013 at 2:25 AM
Sorry my wording got jumbled, what I was saying about Bread Man's past was agreeing with the top comment.
Hye Shin had already kinda accepted his past while they were boxing last week. Her horrible reaction is because she found out he had genuine feelings for her. The horror, a perfectly sweet, patient, understanding, (not in any way a DOUCHE like your ex) guy admitted he has feelings for you and both respects your family and privacy so he gives you space....... -___-
I mean even bratty Woo Joo noticed how cold she acted, almost ignoring his presence, she was like; I thought I did that?
So far every single person now has disappointing me except Jin wook and Junho even if he is kinda passive sometimes.
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Quinze
July 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM
Yea I can understand that a very recently divorced woman with a crazy bitter grandma and a petulant child is going to hesitate when any man shows interest in her let alone one she sees everyday but it doesn't excuse ignoring him when he greets her.
And hah if your bratty kid notices you know you're being rude!
michelle
July 1, 2013 at 10:00 PM
It seems to me like she's ignoring him because she overheard what he said about not being able to look at her face directly and liking her, and is now struggling with what's probably her own feelings towards him. Plus, after hearing him say that, she probably feels nervous about confronting him.
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Abbie
July 1, 2013 at 7:12 AM
Exactly! I really don't like the way she acted. What has Jin-wook done exactly, but express his feelings. And, if we're honest, he wasn't doing to good a job of hiding his feelings to begin with. I think Hye-shin was just blatantly turning a blind eye because she's afraid to get involved with anyone so soon after her divorce. He could end up being the rebound, and maybe she doesn't want that. Or am I just giving her too much credit? Poor, Bread Man. If she won't take you, I will!
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Ivoire
July 1, 2013 at 8:37 AM
Abbie,
Interestingly enough, I didn't read HS's reaction the way many did here. I felt that she heard him express his feelings, and that she didn't know what to do with them. Yes, she still has to heal from what has happened in her own life (mistreatment from her MIL and her divorce), but I feel that she might also be overwhelmed by Bread Man's confession. She has been hurt (badly), and I can see how she would be SCARED of going down that road again, as wonderful as Bread Man is (and I concede that he is).
Sometimes, when we have been beaten, bruised, stepped on emotionally and spiritually (and physically), we can get so scared that even if someone (or something) is good for us, we run in the other direction (even if we know better at the time in our head). So I can understand HS, even though I might not condone her reactions. Fear can paralyze us, at times. She needs a little time, and I do hope she will reach out to Bread Man soon, like in the next ep. I am sure that by the end of the show, she will be head over hills over him. At least that is my hope :-), and I look forward to seeing that.
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Jesse
July 1, 2013 at 6:57 PM
Not to mention that if your child doesn't like your new prospective boyfriend it's just asking for trouble.
Abbie
July 1, 2013 at 7:45 PM
Ivoire,
Yes. I agree. After giving Hye-shin's reaction, and her circumstances, more thought, I arrived at the same conclusion as you. She is afraid of being hurt again. I do think she has trust issues, which are not to be ignored, but I would hope she overcomes them enough to at least give Bread Man a shot. Her behavior here was mean, (she could at least say "Hi" to him) but not completely out of line, after the past few years she's had to deal with. I feel bad for both in this case.
Ivoire
July 2, 2013 at 4:14 PM
Abbie, hi again :-)!
I can't help but wonder if HS didn't act out of character, because I saw her being polite to him (dare I say nice), before (earlier episodes). Maybe I just want to cut her some slack because she has a difficult child, a not so great family, is going through a divorce and I think she might not be sure where she is at emotionally herself. Yes, Bread Man has been nothing but good and wonderful to her, and I wish things were different (had been different), but I still want to wait see how she behaves next week.
That doesn't mean I agree with her behavior, however. Yes, she was kind of rude, not returning his greeting, which must have hurt his feelings. And yes, she understandably has trust issues she will have to overcome, but that does not happen overnight, unfortunately.
It What
July 4, 2013 at 5:04 AM
She did not change when she found out about his past she did not because she asked him to teach her boxing and she will teach him English after he told he was in prison she changed after hearing him saying that's he likes her and how its hard for him , and he changed too when the little girl told him she cant not accept him liking her mom
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Chloe
July 5, 2013 at 8:55 AM
@It What, Yup I think there's great significance in that. The writer first showed how Hye Shin accepted Bread Man and his past, and even suggested that they continue with the boxing lessons alongside her English lessons. This looks like an attempt to have a better friendship, cheer him up and perhaps also remind him how he has much to offer, despite his past.
It was only upon hearing his 'confession' that she got afraid, since it appears that she had indeed been completely unsuspecting before that, despite how obvious Bread Man's infatuation is to his colleague and to her daughter. This was deliberately written to happen only after the boxing lesson scene which featured the forgiving and non-judgmental character of Hye Shin, highlighting that her reaction now is simply due to her recent divorce and 'softer' character. She certainly comes across as someone who would be very afraid to be hurt again, since she appears be so soft-spoken and less strong-headed especially beside Yoo Shin and Soon Shin.
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Ivoire
June 30, 2013 at 11:33 PM
Hi Abbie,
I LOVE your rant :-)!!! You covered everything. Now, please tell us how you REALLY feel :-). Naw, I am just messing with you. As a fellow commenter, I love how immersed you are in this show, since I dropped it at some point, and then picked it back up. You totally make sense, and you described the characters well.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am mostly watching for the small bits we get of LSS and JH, and his friend (who owns or runs the restaurant) and the sisters and their respected lovers/romantic interests. I FF the moms scenes, (almost all of them).
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Abbie
July 1, 2013 at 6:36 AM
Thank you. I do tend to get really immersed in the shows I'm watching. Especially if the majority of the characters irritate me. To be honest I started with this show because Jo Jung-seok is in it. And he hasn't disappointed me with his acting. It also helps that Jun-ho is such a lovable dork.
But the writing is beginning to wear on me, so that does bother me. I'm still determined to finish this drama, since there are only 21 episodes left to air, and I'm on episode 29. I took a break from watching it for a couple weeks, and now I'm just trying to catch up.
I hope the writing improves, because that's always possible, but I don't have any strong hopes for it.
Again, thanks for the comment. I felt a lot better after writing it. Not just because this show and the characters annoy me, but because of other stuff going on in my life, unrelated to dramaland.
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Ivoire
July 1, 2013 at 8:54 AM
Awwww Abbie,
And I THANK YOU for your honesty and for being vulnerable. I do hope that things will improve in your personal life. I have been there, so I think I can understand.
I love reading your comments, I loved them on GFB. I didn't comment, I meant to at times, but I would do something, and forget that I wanted to comment on your posts. I love the way you write and this is the place to do that about Kdramas, and you can get more personal on Open Thread (on Friday mornings), with the rest of the beanies, if you so desire.
I understand you being (fully) immersed, I am the same way. Just read my comments on Faith and GFB for example and you will see what I mean :-).
I totally love JJS here and yes, he makes JH an adorable dork. I just love the way JH looks at LSS. There is adoration, protectiveness, caring and love in his eyes and I just love that. He did the same in TK2Hs, he was great there.
I want to finish the drama as well, and I will try to. There are a few good things in it and I hang on to that. Take good care of yourself Abbie, and hang in there. I wish well :-)...
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Abbie
July 1, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Thank you so much for your support! I really do appreciate it.
I enjoy reading your comments, too, although I, too, don't always comment on them.
I know what you mean about the way Jun-ho looks at Soon-shin. I love his expressions, too, which is one reason I love to watch JJS act. He's just amazing.
I don't usually do the Open Threads, but I may check it out this week.
Again, thanks!
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Ivoire
July 2, 2013 at 4:17 PM
Hi Abbie, I would like to respond, but can't right now. I will be back later (tonight) to do so :-)...
alua
July 1, 2013 at 12:42 AM
Cheers to your rant, all so true.
I feel like we are still moving forward at a snail's pace and sometimes we are just going in circles.
I don't get why Yeona even tries to invite Junho and then gets upset when he walks out on her. This already happened. Yeona, it should be clear to you by now: he's not that into you. In fact, he's not into you at all and he won't ever be again.
It's kind of like with MR. I get that Yeona is hurt, and MR is treating her shittily (dropped her like a hot potato and acts like she hasn't), but I think Miss Yeona needs to find real friends and drop the bad ones. Not that she seems capable of that, seeing that her choice is to hang out with the gossipy women of Junho's family...
Yooshin, Grandma, the little kid all turning on Soon Shin *sigh* I'm glad Soon Shin said "Yesterday you wanted me to leave", but actually I think she needs to say it less kindly, and scream it out, and say it with total cynicism so that Yooshin and Grandma get the message that they are being total hypocrites.
MR: I can't be bothered to comment on her. Really hope she'll never end up having a good relationship with Soon Shin.
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Abbie
July 1, 2013 at 6:46 AM
Thank you!
Yes, this show moves so slowly. We're still dealing with the fallout of Mi-ryung's press conference, and we still don't know who Soon-shin's father is. It sucks.
Yeah, you'd think after being shot down again and again by Jun-ho, Yeon-ah would get the hint that he doesn't like her. Either she's really dumb, or can't stand rejection. I'd like to think it's the former, but it's probably the latter. I feel bad for the way Mi-ryung is treating her, really I do. But that doesn't give her the right to take it out on Soon-shin. I really hate the way she's acting. She needs to put on her big girl pants, and learn to deal.
Agreed, I do wish Soon-shin would yell at Yoo-shin, Granny, and the rest of her family. That seems to be the only way things get through to these people. They all love to yell, but don't like to be yelled at. It hurts when the shoe is on the other foot, and I just really, REALLY want Soon-shin to give them a taste of their own medicine.
As for Mi-ryung, you're right it does seem a bit of a waste to comment on her. But I do want her to get some semblance of a happy ending. I want happy endings for all (okay, most) of the characters, even this crazy woman. She and Soon-shin could just try to get to know each other once all this drama dies down.
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alua
July 1, 2013 at 7:32 AM
I think Yeonah is just a copy-cat character. One that appears in many dramas and is always written the same way. It's the whole "the ex who thinks she has rights after treating the object of her affection like shit" and who exercises those rights in an obsessive manner, i.e. she'll never let go. So of course she was going to go down Soon Shin hating / bashing route.
It would have been much more interesting if she had seen the light, gotten over herself and helped Soon Shin to become an actress in a sort of revenge for MR dropping her like a hot potato.
MR for me can't be redeemed. She's got mental issues – likes she's bipolar, or schizophrenic, or something, because one second she flashes the sweetest smile, and the next her claws are out. She's in complete denial, contradicts herself at times and has zero ability to empathise. If they don't carry her off to a mental hospital, she can continue living in her deluded, self-focused little world, but I don't want Soon Shin to be part of it. At most they can nod at each other politely if they happen to run into each other on the set of a drama or something.
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Abbie
July 1, 2013 at 8:04 PM
Again, I agree with your assessment of Yeon-ah. She's a copy cat character that has been seen countless times before, so I don't hold her in high esteem on principle. She treated Jun-ho like crap, but still thinks she has some kind of claim on him. What kind of world does she live in? She annoys me and I hate her, but I do feel sympathy for her. It would also be nice if she did as you suggested and try to help Soon-shin out instead of dragging her down with just a look.
In my opinion, any character, even crazy Mi-ryung has at least one chance to be redeemed. I'm not above thinking anyone is irredeemable. It's the human condition to make mistakes and to try to learn from them. But maybe some people are just so deluded that redemption isn't possible for them. In which case, by all means, Show, send this lady to the crazy house. I still hate her, I would just like for her to realize she's done and is doing wrong.
alua
July 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM
Someone like MR would need a lot of of time to change and would probably change very, very little, because it's not she that she has made one mistake that she can learn from, but her behaviour is so deeply engrained (and, I think partially pathological) that it's not just a matter of finally realising it and changing. It's much more complicated.
Given how they've written her character, the only thing I would find plausible would be if she just let go of Soon Shin (and maybe even Yeonah) – and treads more carefully in any future relationships she builds with other people. I think there are damages you can't undo, and she's caused people emotional hurt of the sort that you can't really undo. You can only let go and start with a clean slate and a new chance with other people.
Abbie
July 2, 2013 at 8:56 AM
Yeah, you may be right. Any drastic change in Mi-ryung would probably come from some sort of head trauma, and I seriously hope this show doesn't go there. Or any other terrible disease. Like cancer.
It will be hard for her to change, and I doubt she'll actually try. If she is sincere and she really wants to get to know Soon-shin, then I would hope she tries to change Other than that, she needs to stay away from Soon-shin (and Yeon-ah, I guess).
alua
July 2, 2013 at 9:12 AM
They've had her drinking a lot, so chances are they'll go down the alcoholism / liver damage route. Maybe she'll need a transplant and only Soon Shin will be the perfect match. And then suddenly MR will be appreciative.
.... which not be compelling either. It would, again, just reinforce her selfish ways (being nice to people when she needs something). I was actually thinking today about how she started out in the drama – precisely like that. She did not treat Soon Shin nice (before knowing that she was her daughter) unless she needed something from her or was using her in whichever of her games (scaring Jun-ho's sister away from acting by praising Soon Shin).
I also wonder if they might not exploit the abandonment story, I could see them come up with something twisted (even rape) which would drag this drama even deeper into the pits.
*sigh*
They should just write her out of the story and focus on Soon Shin's efforts to become an actress and her developing relationship with Jun-ho (which is still 100% one-sided).
michelle
July 1, 2013 at 9:48 PM
In regards to how Jun Ho ever loved Yeon A, keep in mind that she was probably a different person than she is now. After all, she changed after she became a successful actress.
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michelle
July 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM
also, Yi Jung does know of Chan Woo's marriage. He did announce out loud in front of her and her mother (and his mom) that he was getting married, after all. Yet the girl still insists on pursuing him. My god, it seems that she's so desperate for Chan Woo that she'd continue to pursue him even when he's officially married to Yu Shin.
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Abbie
July 2, 2013 at 8:50 AM
See, I didn't know Yi-jung knew about his impending marriage. Wait, are they married already? Anyway, now that I now, it really ticks me off that she has the gall to continue on in her little fantasy world, thinking she has any claim on Chan-woo, even when he has repeatedly, and in front of witnesses, rebuffed her. She's a really sad and pathetic character. Her mother is one reason she is the way she is, I feel. Yi-jung was treated like a princess by her mother, and now she has one of the highest feelings of entitlement I've ever seen, and it is driving me crazy. Every time she's on screen, my lips literally curl in disgust. I cannot stand her.
As for Yeon-ah, you may be right that she was different before she got famous, but I don't see it often. Only when she looks really sad after being with Mi-ryung do I ever feel any sympathy for her. Other than that, she's a terrible person, who also has a sense of entitlement.
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alua
July 2, 2013 at 9:20 AM
They aren't married yet (Chicken Ahjumma is doing her best to keep that from happening after all), but he said it clear to Yi-jung, her mother and his mother that a) he has a girlfriend and b) that he intends to marry said girlfriend.
Her mother is an awful, enabling person, but she can't be blamed for everything. There's also the cruel father (sometimes I even feel that the mother and Yi-jung just kind of cling to each other to protect themselves from his cruelty). And Jun-ho is kind of passive in the whole thing – he just ignores her, which probably doesn't help either (he has the least blame, but maybe he could have made a difference. Or maybe he tried and gave up...). But, what's more, is that Yi-jung is an adult. Everyone may be enabling her, but in the end she is responsible for her choices.
As for Yeonah, I think the suggestion as indeed that she changed – that she dropped Jun-ho like a hot potato when she got famous AND she was ready to take him back on when she realised that he came from a rich family (which he had not revealed before). Remember that when they were together, they were surviving on ramen soup and barely scraping by... can you imagine that kind of Yeonah now? She has been treated badly (by MR, though not anyone else), but it almost seems like karma for when she treated JH badly and for what she's doing now...
15 violet
June 30, 2013 at 9:07 PM
sigh this is the worst drama ever but why do i watch every week....................... WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN
jo jung seok deserves a way better drama! how adorable are you?
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16 Mystisith
June 30, 2013 at 9:12 PM
This show doesn't know what it wants to be:: Rag to riches, slice of life, family drama, melo. 10 good minutes/episode is too little but I'm still enjoying the cute. The romance part of the script is very scarce but I'm starting to get used to it since it's a chronic problem with the WE dramas. Thanks Goddess of Marriage for the supply of HOT (it won't last, I know, but still...)
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Dorotka
July 1, 2013 at 4:32 AM
I don't know if to be thankful... the Jeju parts looked like some CF... and I didn't like ANY of the characters... ANY! LSS was definitely better for me, at least the first 10 episodes...
... or I'm just grumpy today...
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17 ck1Oz
June 30, 2013 at 9:32 PM
I think I actually enjoyed your mini Open Thread remarks more.Say it as it is.
Pity about the show still watching it but not loving it anymore.Definitely staying on as a JJS fan and an opportunity to watch him every week.
The writer has missed the boat and all the paddling in all directions is not going to save it. What a waste of another great casting.
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18 KDaddict
June 30, 2013 at 9:35 PM
I got much ranting out of my system last week, so this week I only have a few Qns:
1. What does JH's father see in MR that I don't? I see a menopausal snake of a sociopath. He sees an attractive woman who makes him smile, while his younger more beautiful tho clueless wife solicits nothing but irritation out of him. Why? I don't get it. Do u?
2. LSS decides that it is nece she moves out of that Lee household bcos she now knows that she is not their blood relation. Why? Wasn't that what they knew while raising her? So why is it nece to move out?
3. Finally at the end of ep 34, IU gets to sing. She sings beautifully. What took them soooooo loooooooong????
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19 inin
June 30, 2013 at 9:37 PM
I LOVE YOU JAVABEANS! HAIZ! I'm losing hope at times too but its amazing how JJS can give me hope to continue watching this just for him. Im such a fangirl. Of you too!
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20 R
June 30, 2013 at 9:40 PM
The amount I care about these characters relative to the beginning is approaching Fashion King levels. Not a good sign. Sigh. Thanks for the recap!
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21 KDaddict
June 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM
Oh, one more Qn:
4. I say Yooshin and Chanwoo should get pregnant, but the show won't go there cos that'd make YS thoroughly a bad girl. So, what would it take for Chicken mom to finally relent?
When LSS makes it big as a performer and changes the fortune and status of the Lee family? Whe SS marries JH? But, that'd be another uphill battle that'd convince his mom, won't it?
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Tyme
June 30, 2013 at 9:57 PM
LOL. I forgot about that plot device.
They might just briefly pretend she got pregnant to bully CW's mom into letting them get married. It'd be funny if she believed them. xD
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KDaddict
June 30, 2013 at 10:08 PM
I enjoy it when Chicken Mom walks in on her son massaging YS's foot, just cos it irks her to no end. Horror of horrors! Her son wants to have skinship w this beautiful young sexy woman he is in love w! I say it should have been sth more risque, just to get her goat! Then we'd really hear her scream all the way to Antartica, as Quince said. Ha ha ha.
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yumii
June 30, 2013 at 10:43 PM
I was a little uncomfortable when Yoo-Shin ordered Chan Woo to go home. It make me think he was trading in one awful domineering woman for another.
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Quinze
June 30, 2013 at 11:24 PM
lol must have skipped that part.
But hahaha if YS REALLY wanted to she totally could go that route. CW would be crying tears of happiness! That boy is whipped!
I may hate the way YS is with SS but I don't want her to lose her independent streak because of that crazy woman!
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KDaddict
June 30, 2013 at 11:33 PM
I liked Chan Woo for a while. But on 2nd look, he is kinda boring. I mean, he has loved YS all these years, fine. He is staedfast vs distractions, also fine. But when his mom chases YS out of their house n yells at him: If you dare chase YS right now, you'll be sorry. He just stands there. These 2 eps, all he says is: Omma.....
Chicken ajumma said YS used to have fights w children on the street, and hit CW on the head until he bled. So, we can surmise that CW likes domineering YS. Is he just trading a younger prettier version for his Omma?
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alua
July 1, 2013 at 12:34 AM
I really wouldn't want Yooshin and Chanwoo to get pregnant.
Chanwoo needs to move out of his house and live his own life.
In fact, a whole lotta people need to move out and into their own place so they can live their life. Soon Shin too. And Jun-ho, because everyone in his family is just nasty. Gossiping women who disparage anyone without thinking even for a second and a cruel father. Why would you want to live with them?
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 1:18 AM
Imagine SS leaving MR's house to marry into this one! No one deserves such a fate!
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Ivoire
July 1, 2013 at 2:12 AM
When you put it like that, SS's life right now does not sound very lucky or happy for that matter (Not that I thought she was, when I watched these episodes).
Going from MR's house to JH's family? Scary! Yeah, JH should move out first, really.
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hela
July 1, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Does JH seems to give a crap about what his family think ?
If we get "the marriage thing' ( but i really think that this show will end with SS confessing and them going for their first date), any way, he will just say " i'm marring SS you're invited , and by the way Omma i'm moving out of the house" ( LooL thinking about it her name will be Shin soon shin XD) cause really did ever seen him do something /care about his family ?
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Shin soon Shin. That's funny. U r observant to catch that!
We all think that grown children should move out. They all stay with their parents--the source of many conflicts in KD. Where would the conflict come from if they all live independently? Wife of first son has many duties. Not the same culture.
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hela
July 1, 2013 at 6:13 PM
I know that the eldest daughter in law ( in this case the only one) have many duties in korean culture ... I was just ranting how the writers make JH attitude toward his family sooooo '' i don't care" , remember when he said to SS to hit his sister if they fight and don't get hit ( i was like dude i know that your sister is annoying and all but she's your sister come on ) .. and if we get the plot of getting permission to date or to marry i'll be , since when did he care about them and their opinion ?
he seems to care about his mother at some level , since he said to his father to treat her better cause she seems sad , as the only son whouldn't it be nice of him to take her on a date to cheer her up ? get her a gift or sthg?
The writers are too involved in the Lee family and neglecting the Shin 's .. come one JH is supposed to be a lead ..too little of his interaction with his family, or his work !
They didn't use that magnificent actor *sigh*
All we see of him , is him 'stalking ' SS ,looking for her.
Didn't he learn from his previous relationship ; that he shouldn't make a girl the center of his world , and they aren't in any sort of relationship yet.
I'm frustrated cause i'm a JJS fan , and the little or nonexistent character development JH is undergoing is killing me...
In stead we had too much nagging and yelling and too much of that Chicken ajuma.
God i'm ranting so much xD
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22 risa
June 30, 2013 at 9:44 PM
Not reading above 'cause I'm waiting for ep. 34 subs but just wanted to say that I was delighted that JJS finally sang a song for the OST. I fast-forwarded through much of ep. 33, but hearing him sing "Wanjeon saranghaeyo, Darling" as he happily shopped for a toothbrush for his sleeping beauty made the effort worthwhile.
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 1:21 AM
Thank you for the reminder. I gotta go and re-watch it just for JJS's singing.
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23 exquisitemelody
June 30, 2013 at 9:49 PM
Thanks for the updates! I love how they're still Chicken ajusshi and chicken ajumma. They really don't have names? Not that I want you to use them...I just found it funny.
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 2:11 AM
Chicken ajumma is called Gitja. But like u say, who cares?
I'm much affected by her outburst to LSS's mom, who by her own admission is like a sister to her, in ep 33, when she said:
All those years when your husband made money, u lived like a princess, and your daughters did so well, I found u insufferable. When my husband and I had to look up to your husband and follow the 2 of you around, you think it didn't make me feel ready to burst?
Wow! It makes me wonder, when we tell our friends that we get that promotion, and r going on an overseas trip to celebrate, or that we r buying our first condo, or upgrading to a new house, are they happy for us, or do they find us insufferable? When we break up w our BF, and our friends commiserate, r they secretly thinking, They r glad it's us and not them?
Of course u can say that not everyone is as horrid as Chicken ajumma, but we can really be sure how our friends r feeling abt our good fortune or misfortunes, can we?
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brian
July 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM
It is somewhat sad and eye-opening to see how your so-called "friends" really feel about you. "I'm sorry I'm so mean to you and your daughter doesn't belong with my golden son (who is all I got for bragging rights), because you used to be so uppity back in the day".
I guess that's what "best friends" means in Chicken Ahjumma's world. And yeah, I wonder how my friends feel when something goes good for me . . .
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Cheryl
July 1, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Chicken Ajumma makes me think of the main character's 'friends' on Full House. If those people qualify as friends, then I'm living the rest of my life as a hermit, thankyouverymuch! In my dictionary, friends are honest and genuinely support and encourage you. If they're two-faced like the Chicken Ajumma/Ajussi or set you up so they can sell your house, clean our your savings, and steal your identity like the main character's 'friends' in Full House, they aren't friends (especially not in the latter case).
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24 Mia
June 30, 2013 at 10:14 PM
yay! thank you!
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25 Marie
June 30, 2013 at 10:30 PM
Thanks for the short recap :) Hopefully, from this episode onwards will be more interesting when JunHo is showing obvious interest in SoonShin. I started to pick up the show again. I dropped half way as I find that the show is too dragging and not much scene on JunHo and SoonShin. I am happy that you too do not give up on this show :)
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26 coby
June 30, 2013 at 10:30 PM
Thank goodness! I thought they will never let her sing. Was about to write let her sing, "She's IU for crying out loud!"
I have not seen the last 4 episodes so thanks for the recap.
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27 kdramafan
June 30, 2013 at 10:48 PM
Thanks JB for the recap and vid.
I thought these episodes were quite good. Admittedy my senses have been dulled in the last 25 episodes but deep down I still like this show.
Anyway it feels like we're on the home stretch now and things will be resolved-maybe all the whiners jump on a rocket and blasted into space who knows with this writer-and I'm super happy about that.
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28 Noelle
June 30, 2013 at 11:58 PM
So this show will finally end when exactly?
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Ivoire
July 1, 2013 at 2:14 AM
After ep. 50, hopefully (if there are no extensions).
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29 hela
July 1, 2013 at 5:55 AM
I wonder why they don't give Jo Jung suk more time screen ?! with an excellent actor like him , they give too much screen time for the chicken ajuma , too much time for the yelling and nagging !
I wish that he had more interaction with his father mother and even sister ! How come he doesn't care about his sister even a little bit ! ( i liked that in the ep 34 he said to his father you should taker of mother a bit better at least his has " human " feelings)
I really dislike how they make jon-ho life all around soon shin ( when he was watching her dance , i called him stalker-san without realising it) ! But does he even realise that he like her?
I want them to show that SS has even a little interst in him ...there is only 16 episode left too many things unresolved ..they 're going to rush thing in the end or leave us unsatisfied ! :/
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM
At this time, I'm thinking that watching this show is not abt getting satisfaction, but abt ranting.
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30 Laurita
July 1, 2013 at 6:33 AM
Now when the birth secret if hopefully finally out, I feel a little nervous about "the secret of father". I feel uneasy watching MR chatting with the doctor... I keep hoping that after the main leads will resolve their love issues, they won't throw the cliche "we cannot be together, because we are siblings"... No no no...
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31 newbyb0y
July 1, 2013 at 6:34 AM
This drama has been a rollar coaster ride i guess.
Good at first
Somewhat good in the 10-15
Bad from 16 onwards
Worse after 20
Total crap sht hitting 30s
I think its time to go up after 35 if not i lose all hope in this drama
IU and JJS only lightens up the apparently most shitty writing ever of mothers conflict.
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32 christina
July 1, 2013 at 6:34 AM
The only reason I'm still watching this is Jun-ho and SS. Jo Jung-suk is soo good as this character that I have to watch his scenes. Thank goodness I have a FF button for the other 50 minutes when it turns into the who can complain and beat up on SS the most show.
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33 KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 7:44 AM
I rather dislike JH's assistant. He looks down on LSS fr day 1. And his reaction to seeing SS sleeping on his boss's sofa is outrageous. It is unprofessional and non-discreet. He acts like it is his lover's sofa she is sleeping on, and even asks JH to explain the situation. I'd say, your boss has the right to let whoever he wants sleep on his sofa. It's none of your business. Instead of cute, I find him annoying.
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alua
July 1, 2013 at 8:14 AM
I agree.
Other than being non-professional, I thought it was stupid. A good assistant would have left the room instantly pretending he had never seen anything.
He was acting like a silly high school boy, not a working adult speaking to his BOSS...
In fact, with the way he behaved, I'd be very careful trusting him with any information, because he'd be the first I'd suspect if anything delicate got out.
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 8:24 AM
Exactly. I've NEVER seen any evidence of him being a good assistant. He is always 2nd guessing his boss. He is a gossip monger. And I can't stand his hair style.
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alua
July 1, 2013 at 1:31 PM
The hair comment made me crack up! Jajajaja!
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Windsun33
July 1, 2013 at 1:20 PM
The assistant is the usual k-drama Village Idiot that seem to be a fixture in all melos and rom-coms. In real life nobody as stupid and full of really bad advice as him would ever hold such a position for more than 3 days. I miss most of what he says due to fast-forwarding now, but he has not made any sense since ep 1.
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34 RWJQ
July 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM
Thanks, JB, for the mini-recap/OT.
Nowadays, I just FF to any scenes with JH + SS in them, and ignore the rest, before coming here to read your recaps. Have totally lost interest in the show, including the other two sisters' stories. Too much meandering.
I LOVE the song SS sang at the end of Ep 34. Finally, IU gets to sing.
And, can we have more duets of her with JJS, please?
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35 Rach ^^
July 1, 2013 at 9:42 AM
Damn their duet song is nice... aren't they releasing it???
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36 Rovi
July 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM
A big YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN...
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37 Ha Ni
July 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM
I think Yeon Ah told the director to cast Soon Shin because she knew that would automatically make him resent her
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maimymlt
July 2, 2013 at 9:17 AM
That's EXACTLY why she did it. We'd already heard JH tell SS when she read the script that that director did not do favors and that he didn't care whose "daughter" you were - he didn't play favorites. Then in the coffee shop when the director met YA, he told her he was "...going crazy because everyone was asking him to use their talent" and how "...they should see if they've got what it takes". He's already irked because so many have already asked him for special treatment.
Smartypants YA knew, when she asked and made it seem like SS was looking for preferential treatment, that it would annoy the director and influence him against SS. "Don't rely on other people...talent is the most important." That's why when SS messed up her reading, he wasn't going to give her another chance to reread. I was glad YA's little, self-satisfied smirk, disappeared when she realized once SS began to sing that SS DOES have talent!!
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38 a_fan
July 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Can you name other Korean or Japanese drama leads who are stammering and bumbling dorks like our Jun Ho? I have some free days coming.
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thorned sakura
July 3, 2013 at 9:00 PM
sorry, nobody is like our Shin Jun Ho!lol
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39 adisza
July 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Anyone knows the title of the ending song? The credit song at the end of ep 33/34, that duet song. Im dying to know ><
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michelle
July 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM
The song is called Forgotten Season, originally sung by Lee Young and then later covered by DBSK.
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Rach ^^
July 2, 2013 at 7:31 AM
I hope it's this you are talking about...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWJSV7XrSn4
Changmin (창민) [2AM] & Dahee (다희) [GLAM] - 한 사람만 보여요 (I Can't Live Without You) [You're The Best Lee Soon Shin OST]
Thought it was JJS and IU singing... I'm kind of gutted it isn't.
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40 Marly
July 1, 2013 at 11:41 AM
I have given up on this show. There really aren't any likeable characters anymore except for Bread Man. Even JH and Soon Shin have no backbone and very little character development. I have been watching Kdramas for years and have finally figured out that either Koreans or Korean Media have an obsession with Birth Secrets. I have never seen a plot device used so repeatedly in every drama. It's hard to find a single drama that doesn't have some birth issues. Is this a national concern of all the people or are their writers so inept that they can only come up with one plot. How can so many kids get lost or misplaced in a country that's not that large? I used to think the police force must be incompetent but now I'm watching Ten and guess what ! They have Amber Alerts in Korea, so maybe there's hope for the future and writers will have to come up with some new ideas.
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Windsun33
July 1, 2013 at 1:46 PM
I think it is mostly inept writers. As I have said repeatedly, do NOT get your info about Korean social or legal issues from k-dramas.
Another obsession with k-drama writers is adoption - you would think that being adopted is the most horrible social stigma in Korea if you got it only from k-dramas.
In fact, there is a social stigma against adopting children, but it seems to be aimed more at the adoptive parents than the children. That stigma was the driving force behind the huge influx of Korean-born adoptees in the US in the late 50's up to the mid 1980's. More Korean kids were adopted by overseas parents than by resident Koreans.
Interesting article here about the situation http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/world/asia/09adopt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
A few things seldom if ever mentioned in k-dramas is that the majority of orphans come from unwed mothers (same as in most countries), but that might be partly the source of the stigma. Something NEVER mentioned in the dramas is the fact that Korea has one of the highest abortion rates in the world - despite abortion being "illegal".
But think back to the Korean war when 10's of thousands (some estimates go as high as 1.5 million) Korean children became orphans for one reason or another. That would make a fairly high percentage of 50-60 year olds adoptees. So I am not sure of the reason behind it all.
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41 Windsun33
July 1, 2013 at 2:40 PM
Despite my and apparently quite a few others' dislike for this show, it appears that this show has been in the #1 or #2 for ratings in Korea for the past 3 months. All I can think of is (1) not much else to compete with, and/or (2) there is a culture gap that is wider than I expected for this type of drama.
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 5:49 PM
What's funny abt this show is that we rant together, and still watch together, unlike other shows where ppl fight over what they love and hate. I guess we agree on our hatred of MR, Chicken ajumma, and SS's mom in that order. Some mind SS not having a backbone more than others. But everyone loves JH, n his dorky moments w SS. And yes, it clearly points at a culture gap. Koreans seem to think that moms have more rights to behave as they please and young girls should be more submissive, compared to our way of thinking. So what bugs us is more par for the course for them.
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KimYoonmi
July 1, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Not true.
In Heo Joon, the mother in that is pretty good overall. She still kicks her son sometimes out of his rut. Plus the mom in I can hear your voice is awesome *still crying*. As listed, there is the Mom in Goong, who was also awesome. The Queen and the grandmother in that were also awesome. There was My Princess where the mother was really awesome (I loved her thoroughly. OMG that's the right attitude towards adoption.).
And then listed below, there is the grandmother in Full House, and I listed the grandmother in Goong. (I love that grandmother... my Korean teacher said he was related to her.)
I think I'm going with there is nothing else on and some of the virtues outweigh the need to turn it off. Because Korean moms can be awesome, both in fiction and reality.
For LSS,
I hate MR, but I'm supposed top hate MR. She clearly has Axis II issues. She thinks only about herself, has break downs when things don't go her way and continues on and on. Most birth mothers I know of are happy that their child got to go to a good home, but not her.
Second I hate the grandmother. OMG, just shut it. Blood does not make a family. She cares so much about who is related and not related to her, no wonder she's soooo lonely. Though we haven't been given for all these episodes a motivation for why she's such an annoying curmudgeon. If you see how much you can love rather than what you cannot, your life will become richer. Personally, with her dramatics and so on, I think she's probably got an anxiety or a BPD problem.
Third, I hate LSS's mother, who also is self-serving. She also has issues defining love and has jealousy issues. She clearly didn't think anything through when she adopted a child. She should have registered LSS, so LSS could get a job. She should have gone through some sort of home study and worried, genuinely about if she could open her heart to this child through thick and thin. But her motivations for loving LSS are thin as the grandmother, so I have very little sympathy for her.
Fourth I hate the enabling mother in JH's mom. Seriously. You need to smack some boundaries on that daughter... Being that enabling is unhealthy overall.
Fifth, I hate the Chicken Ajumma, who, is more of a minor annoyance. She also has issues with understanding how love works and understanding what is best for her isn't always best for her child.
Sixth, I hate that mother in law of HS's. OMG, woman, you need a life beyond your son. Seriously. Man sickness much?
And lastly, while she's a decent character HS is a terrible mother. She doesn't talk to her child about the divorce or her feelings at all. She doesn't talk about the teasing, etc. You know, the basic cornerstones of Korean communication.
So no, it's not a cultural gap insomuch as the mothers universally suck and tend to suck more by age and position they have in this show. It might be true, though, that people are more tolerant of it. Besides, Ajumma leave the TV running on weekends while they clean the house, so the ratings won't flux as much as a weekday drama. In another words, the ratings may be more out of habit rather than a reflection of people actually watching it.
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 10:15 PM
Of course Korean moms and old ladies can be awesome, in reality as well as in K dramas. That goes w/o saying.
I only said that in so many KDs, they show that parents are controlling, and children put up with it to a greater degree than we international viewers can tolerate, owing to ideas of duty and remnant teachings on filial piety. That's the culture gap that I was referring to, in response to Windsun's mention of one.
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Windsun33
July 2, 2013 at 1:20 AM
I mighty be one of the few here with you on hating YSS's (step)mother. She apparently "adopted" (but not legally) YSS on a whim because the baby was "cute". But from what I gather, she has been totally bipolar about her ever since. IMO, she is totally two-faced and completely has no clue at all about any of her kids, yet she wants to control them. I pretty much hate all the others you mentioned also, but I put YSS's (step)mother 2nd only after the evil psycho grandmother.
You have a point about how the ratings could be skewed - they might be watching it like I sometimes do - leave it on while I do "things" around the house and occasionally glance at the screen.
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Ivoire
July 2, 2013 at 7:33 AM
Hello KimYoonmi,
I was wondering about this, "She clearly didn’t think anything through when she adopted a child. She should have registered LSS, so LSS could get a job."
What is the difference between adopting a child and registering said child? Why would registering the child be so important and how is that related to being able to get a job? And by job, do you mean a full time job? Because I thought LSS had a job when she worked in the restaurant. Doesn't that qualify as a job? Or were you referring to a job in an office?
I hope that you will see these questions and that you will have the time (and desire) to respond. Thank you.
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KimYoonmi
July 2, 2013 at 8:26 AM
In the Korean system you are supposed to register your children. It's in the place of a census. So you register your marriage or divorce. There isn't a census in Korea.
This gives the person and new children a registration number which acts like the US's SSN number.
In the US, you are supposed to naturalize your adopted children, and then get them a citizenship. However, because of the US immigration laws, some children adopted from foreign countries were also getting deported because their parents were too lazy. So it turned out that when they attempted to get a job, they got deported. (Yes, I know). (The US fixed this after some protests... I think in 2008.)
It's that level of irresponsible when you don't go through the correct channels in Korea. Technically, in order for LSS to get the job she needs a registration number from the Korean government. In order to have that, they need to have a birth certificate. LSS's mom did not have a birth certificate. Which means that LSS technically cannot get that café job. Which means LSS is unregistered with the Korean government, which means she's pretty much screwed for life, because she can't get a job or get married properly without a registration number.
It's highly irresponsible to just take in a child because she's cute. It's also irresponsible to not think through the impact, worries, etc that adoption does bring to you and your home.
I tried to sign onto a Korean website, but I needed a number from the Korean government to do so. I asked my Korean father, but he said I couldn't get one. So that means I have to physically go to Korea to get one. In order to function in Korea, you need a visa or to get one.
So basically, from the storyline, LSS, is screwed out of getting a job, signing contracts without someone who has one, getting married, signing up on websites, getting a driver's license etc. More than the basic things you get out of an SSN in the US. If she does have one it's illegal, and if the Korean government finds out she and her family have a lot of issues to deal with which will make the birth secret storyline look like a pebble in a pond. (i.e. Jail time.... or at least registration fraud.) I would think the reporters would want to delve into that mess...
KDaddict
July 2, 2013 at 3:01 PM
I must have missed sth: How do we know that LSS wasn't registered as one of the children in the Lee household?
KimYoonmi
July 3, 2013 at 12:17 AM
LSS needs a birth certificate to register with the Korean government. You can't do it willy nilly. I tested that in real life.
If they had a birth certificate, then it would list Mi Ryeong as the mother, meaning they'd have to go through legal adoption. It was clearly illegal.
If it was illegal, then they had two choices: Either forge a birth certificate, in which case that's really illegal and that's definitely fraud and would have to involve a doctor and a hospital (Which they haven't shown enough support for). Or not register her at all.
Not registering her would be smarter in this case. Though I don't think any of the parents are particularly smart overall.
The story supports the idea that LSS was not legally registered with a birth certificate because they couldn't find her through normal legal channels and started to try to find her through orphanages with the thought that maybe she was shipped overseas.
This is a massive plot hole as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea how she got that café job.
thorned sakura
July 3, 2013 at 9:08 PM
i think she was registered as she was reflected on the family's registry when they started investigated on her dad's family and that's when SMR found out about LSS's parents
42 KimYoonmi
July 1, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Take the moms and make them drink poison in the courtyard (One of the characters in Heo Joon, which isn't a spoiler since no one else seems to be watching it.) or kill them with the wrench in the bedroom. (Clue reference intentional)
Concentrate on LSS's rise to fame, her striggles within the industry, how all the constituent parts of the industry run.... such as the person who is the stylist, manager, the directors, the boom operators, etc. Make conflict from that.
Up the romance level, make the birth secret the last important thing on the list.
And this drama would have been so much better. PLEASE. OMG please.
It's the writers not the directors and actors that need help. Someone seriously needs therapy for being codependent on their Axis II moms.
I think I'll need therapy after seeing an awesome mom die and these moms continue to be crappy.
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43 Cheryl
July 1, 2013 at 2:52 PM
I'm watching Full House right now, and can we please have the grandmother from that show here, because the grandmother in FH is well-written and -acted. She has her scenes in which she's an iron-fisted dragon who gives the main character the third degree and shows no mercy, but she isn't always carrying on and she does warm toward the main character.
There are some comedic moments as well, like when the main character asks for her help making glass noodles because her mother (who died when she was young) never taught her. The grandmother has been pushing for her grandson and his new wife, the main character, to come live with the family, and one of her reasons is because the main character's parents died when she was young and the main character needs someone to teach her how to be a wife. So, the main character goes over to learn how to make glass noodles and Grandma is sitting at the kitchen table--reading off a strategically placed recipe card. XD When the main character asks her what 200 grams of noodles would be, Granny asks like the main character is a huge dolt even though it's clear Granny has no idea either. Over the course of the scene, it becomes clear that a) Granny has no idea what she's doing in the kitchen and b) this is a bonding experience for them. It's a great scene, and really makes me wish the writers of YTBLSS would come up with stuff like this.
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KDaddict
July 1, 2013 at 8:20 PM
That's why FH has remained a classic/fav over so many years. You think ppl would be watching TBLSS 10 years down the road?
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44 dustdevil
July 1, 2013 at 3:05 PM
At this point, I've stuck through 34 episodes, so I'll probably stick with it for the last 16. Although, when I realize the last episode is on Sept 1, I wonder if I can last that long.
At the moment, I'm slightly amused by the dysfunctional, passive-aggressive triangle of Soon-Shin, Miryung and Hwang Il-Do, all living together. For some reason the scene where Soon-Shin comes how late, and Il-Do is sitting there, looking at his laptop and drinking beer cracked me up.
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45 risa
July 1, 2013 at 6:18 PM
Why don't they take their shoes off at Mi Ryung's house?
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KimYoonmi
July 1, 2013 at 8:40 PM
It's a western style house. Don't take off shoes.
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Ha Ni
July 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM
I'd been wondering about that too. I didn't know the style of house affected that. I thought it was more of a culture thing
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46 kt
July 1, 2013 at 6:42 PM
I think this drama is so-so but it introduced me to Jo Jung-suk. I had not seen any of his other dramas but have now gone back to see what else he has done. I think he is a very good actor and see from other performances that he is a scene stealer and good singer and dancer.
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47 SuziQ
July 1, 2013 at 9:55 PM
Finally, a bright spot where IU sings at last. Why did it have to take 34 episodes? The writer spent too much wasted time regarding the birth secret storyline that you just don't care about Soon Shin is whose daughter after a while.
Grandma and Chicken Ajumma are both pain in the a.. Boring and irritating characters who grate on my nerves.Can't feel any empathy for either so I FF their scenes.
Yeon Ah is an grown adult who acts like an kid fighting someone over attention. Why is she adopting someone else's mom? Don't like her bitchy petulant moods.
Each slow episode is like pulling teeth..
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48 Marly
July 2, 2013 at 1:47 AM
i think the reason everyone feels so strongly about this show is that it had so much potential to be a really interesting story with good actors and the writers just really mucked it up. Maybe they have serious Mommy issues and this was their way of releasing it. Hard to believe that in one series there could be that many female characters that no one likes. I have to say that my vote for the most hateful is the Grandmother. Who could ever want a grandmother like that!!
Speaking as the grandmother of 6 , I have to say she totally destroys the whole grandmother image. I can't recall a grandmother in any other show that I've disliked like this one. Is there anyone she likes? I haven't seen her show any affection for her "blood" related granddaughters let alone the poor great grand child who is suffering the affects of her parents divorce. There's got to be some psychosis that the writer has that has made her depict all female characters like this.
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maimymlt
July 2, 2013 at 9:23 AM
She really liked her dead son, and that's about it.
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49 Mia
July 2, 2013 at 5:30 AM
Episode 34 (English sub) isn't available on my account yet. Anyone else have that problem?
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50 Inukikfan4ever
July 3, 2013 at 12:39 AM
I've stuck with it this far despite the annoying characters, why not follow through to the end? I quite liked these last two episodes. It was a nice little change compared to the ones before, what with us seeing more of SS getting back into acting. And I liked the singing ^_^ But with YA...*sigh* I would've felt sorry for her if she didn't go ahead and tried to mess with SS yet again. But I guess that's how it goes. It's hard to have sympathy with the majority of these characters anymore. But I don't think this show is as horrible as some make it out to be. My biggest issue is that so many of the characters annoyed me. The show is so so for me. When it ends, will I watch it again? Nope. But, then again, I wouldn't watch any drama with 50 episodes over again. No matter how good it is. I'll watch favorite scenes and that's about it.
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