Secret Garden to live on?
by girlfriday
…and on… and on…. SBS’s latest hit Secret Garden might just get an afterlife, although it remains to be seen whether it will be one filled with rose petals and hocus pocus, or a life of being stuck in development netherworld. The production company is currently in talks to debate a couple of options. Among them are: a drama Season 2, a musical, and a movie.
The one with the lowest probability of coming into existence is of course the drama. I will eat my left foot if that actually happens. Because waaay too many factors would have to align for a season 2 (the biggies: writer Kim Eun-sook, and stars Ha Ji-won and Hyun Bin, the latter of which is headed to the army in two months’ time). And even if you could defy space and time to make it happen, what kind of story would be left to tell?
The musical and the movie versions are more likely, though it’s still unclear if they would write entirely new storylines, and why in particular they’re thinking musical, rather than just theater. If what they’re trying to do is cash in on the success of the drama, they should really just do a straight theatrical adaptation of the original, condensing the story into one play.
A representative from the production company stated, “We’re discussing all the offers. We think we’ll come to a decision soon about what version to make. I think there will be many different ways to solve this problem.” Yeah, I wouldn’t call it a problem so much as a cash cow. Secret Garden mania is still going strong, with novel and manhwa versions to come.
Looks like there might be hope after all, for those of you still jonesin’ for your next Secret Garden fix.
Via Khan.co.kr
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1 porninja
January 23, 2011 at 5:39 AM
Totally not for a Season 2 although I did enjoy Secret Garden. I don't think there's any way to drag the story any further, unless it's a spin-off? Then they can solve the problem about the 2 leads. But still, meh on that idea as well. I would stick to a musical/play.
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indigowine
January 23, 2011 at 8:36 AM
I'll say YES to a spin off xD Perhaps... The Director with Kim Joo Won's sister? Tae Ssun x Seul x Oska?
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danna
January 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM
i'd sa.ysecretary kim and ah young
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Lilian
January 23, 2011 at 12:55 PM
more like the director+ Son Ye Jin....
but I don't think the cast will be able to support the show especially the director ......
he's not as charming as Hyun Bin definitely!
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A
January 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM
you mean like goong vs. goong s?
... ooo i'm not sure i like that idea..
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sweetlolipop
January 23, 2011 at 7:43 PM
I wouldn't want season 2 too because i like the ending in season one and i don't want any other ending :)
though i prefer musical/play...but of course i don't know how is it possible for us who live outside Korea to watch it.
That is frustrating (T.T)
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sarah
January 24, 2011 at 1:29 AM
i'd vote for neither. let's just leave things the way they are.
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2 safa
January 23, 2011 at 5:47 AM
I agree with you that the second part can not be done because the hero will be in the army for two years
And I do not think that there is room for a new story, Unless 30 Child
born to aReims and Kim share their bodies!!
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Aloedrinker
January 23, 2011 at 10:23 AM
would be funny if during labour Kim's struggling with the water break and stuff. but then again. the magis already stop. yeah they should just stop the drama. good as it was. no need to go to the bad extention.
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jusash
January 23, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Agree. Without Hyun bin as Joo-won .. don't bother.
A huge part of SG (it was fun hating him, and yet laughing my head off at his twisted insights, humor and Ra-im/Joo-won wit/conversations.
That said, if they can anchor the two leads, and condense the same magic into a movie (away with all the redundant back and forth and too much body swapping) .... I will be eagerly waiting the movie version.
Sequel ok if it's a humorous extension of them parenting and married life - imagine their parenting styles would be very different. Or how they worm their way around Grandma Princepessa.
Then again, this alone cannot last past 4 eppies.
NO wish at all to see a main development of Oska + Seul or Secretary Kim + Ah Young, unless in context to the main leads' (like SG #1) story.
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3 Cherry
January 23, 2011 at 5:48 AM
I think there's nothing left to say so i'm against a seaso 2 of the drama however a movie with the exact same story would be awesome.
Still, i don't think they'd be able to have the same cast =(
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Om nom nom.
January 23, 2011 at 6:15 AM
I agree with you.
Secret Garden was such a success because of the unique story and the awesome character portrayals of Ha Ji Won and Hyun Bin.
If they promote another spinoff, Secret Garden will lose its magic; the reason why so many people adored this drama.
just my opinion. :)
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ilikehim
January 23, 2011 at 8:37 AM
Whatever afterlife Secret Garden is adopting, i am NOT watching it if it aint Ha J iWon and Binnie in it.
THEY ARE SECRET GARDEN.
In any case, i am still rewatching Secret Garden day to day ;]
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4 Severine
January 23, 2011 at 5:53 AM
Just couldn't let this one rest in peace, couldya SBS? I also don't think Secret Garden 2 can happen with the same two leads, but I would love to see what happens to Tae-sun or maybe their kids later on in life.
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zozo_oppa_fan
January 23, 2011 at 6:03 AM
me too
i want to know what will happen to tae-sun
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-_-
January 23, 2011 at 10:02 AM
Secret Garden 2 is definitely out the picture especially since Hyun Bin is going to the army but a spin-off would be nice...i think using the kids would be a good idea, and I'd also like to see what happen to Tae Sun
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5 Jane
January 23, 2011 at 6:07 AM
I'd be for a spinoff where we follow the cute musician kid to find his happiness. He's really the only loose end.
As for the film or musical options, I'm torn. I think it would work a lot better as a stage play, but I would never get to see it so...
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6 Kender
January 23, 2011 at 6:07 AM
..WHY?
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supah
January 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM
ohmagawds... I totally had the same reaction.
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Molly
January 23, 2011 at 10:00 AM
$$$
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kati
January 23, 2011 at 11:09 AM
This is the answer for all
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ThickBrowsBro
January 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM
true dat.
Sukispop
January 23, 2011 at 11:27 AM
...and I can hear "WHY?" in Director Park's deep baritone voice. *lol*
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annie
January 23, 2011 at 3:17 PM
Haha! Me too!
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Katey B
January 23, 2011 at 5:11 PM
Second that! LOL.
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too-fly-for-a-white-guy
January 24, 2011 at 2:27 PM
soo jokes! that voice kills me!
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7 AcrobaticUrchin
January 23, 2011 at 6:09 AM
I don't know if I would like a season two, but another special might be cute. I also agree with Severine and zozo-oppa-fan: it'd be cool to see what happens to other characters like Tae Sun or their kids... could you imagine another fairytale between their oldest boy and another girl? Awwww.
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Beng
January 24, 2011 at 4:05 AM
i want a movie where the Mom will finally accept HJW =). but since it will take time for Binnie to return, it might not materialize =(
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8 porninja
January 23, 2011 at 6:15 AM
Or a stage play featuring Tae-Sun as lead! And it can be all scandalous... Sigh.
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9 x0mi07
January 23, 2011 at 6:16 AM
i'm all for a spin off!^^ how about taesun's secret and/or garden?!=P or something like that?! i'm not very clever with names....>,< but taesun still has a story to tell. kim sarang and yoon sang hyun can rephrase their roles.^^ ha jiwon and hyun bin maybe not so much.... since hyun bin will be going to the army.
a musical will be the best bet though.^^ thanks for the update!^^
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10 dkm
January 23, 2011 at 6:16 AM
No!
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11 kirikhin. [:
January 23, 2011 at 6:27 AM
i wished they would continue it after he gets back from the marine corp. [:
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12 esther
January 23, 2011 at 6:40 AM
damn, just make a musical. a movie without the main characters (OMG HYUN BIN! the definition of secret garden) won't live up to SG's prestigious name.
a musical won't kill SG's name, hopefully :D
but i'm a no go for the drama. there's nothing to tell...the movie sequel as well. what is there to talk about in the afterlife anyways? i know it's really cute and everything...but last time's 75 minutes prologue was enough. it really was.
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13 Dav
January 23, 2011 at 6:42 AM
". . . why in particular they’re thinking musical, rather than just theater."
Are you kidding? Just think of the songlist from Act I.
Just a Regular Day
Oska and You Shall Receive
Handmade in Italy
Waking Up Someone New
Don't Touch That, Don't Touch Those
Handmade in Italy (Joowanda reprise)
Mothers Fight Dirty (for your own good)
Fire in the Heart
WTF: The Rules Have Changed (the rain song)
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Ashley
January 23, 2011 at 6:54 AM
I cracked up at "Don't Touch That, Don't Touch Those!"
Now I kind of want to see that musical.
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Alixana
January 23, 2011 at 7:13 AM
Tee-hee
That made me grin
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haruka
January 23, 2011 at 7:17 AM
OMG THIS! Rejoice for double versions of Handmade in Italy.
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jomo143
January 23, 2011 at 7:40 AM
Contact the planning staff and get hired as a writer!!
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Angela
January 23, 2011 at 7:41 AM
Yup, I'd pay to watch. LOL.
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flowerpower
January 23, 2011 at 8:13 AM
hahaha, "Don’t Touch That, Don’t Touch Those", this is a musical I would definetly see.
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nokcha
January 23, 2011 at 8:46 AM
HAHAHAHAHA!
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samgetang
January 23, 2011 at 9:29 AM
a musical with this zany and insane playlist is a must-see! LOL! :-)
i would love to hear what the rain song's tempo could be...maybe bit annoying and irritating...almost brain-damaging and heart-breaking all at the same time....cos that's what i sort of went through when the rules kept changing or rather had no rules :-)
Oska and you shall receive -- fantastic! :-) got the ring of a billboard chart topper, hahaha!
Handmade in Italy...and with two versions ;-) sounds new wave to me ;-)
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LILLY
January 23, 2011 at 10:00 AM
hahaha now THAT is brilliant. xDD although the first thing that came to my mind when i read the second one was: Osaka Way and You shall Receive... xDDD
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izzie
January 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM
witty!!! :D how much is a ticket? I'd love to watch.
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ThickBrowsBro
January 23, 2011 at 1:20 PM
I can smell the success already.
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Haru
January 23, 2011 at 2:48 PM
You should definitely be the hired as the musical writer ;)
If this play-list was real ~ I would fly to Korea just to watch it :)
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14 Dave
January 23, 2011 at 6:51 AM
Ugh, they are just being greedy. There is no combination of factors that would make any afterlife of this show good.
To be honest, the actors' chemistry and banter is what made this drama work, not the story or anything else.
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A
January 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM
ditto
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15 yui
January 23, 2011 at 7:07 AM
pleaseeeeeeeeee don't.....
don't ruin my good memory of secret garden...oh noooooo...
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16 pumpkinattack
January 23, 2011 at 7:14 AM
Oh! And we'll call it Secret Reversals!
Or maybe not...
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mary
January 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM
LOL
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elle loves kdrama
January 23, 2011 at 4:16 PM
I LOVE it!
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17 betty
January 23, 2011 at 7:21 AM
Its a nono for me , the memory is too sweet i want to keep it that way! Another story line with HB n HJW as casts, without them it would'nt work.
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18 Annie
January 23, 2011 at 7:43 AM
I think I'm done with the Secret Garden Craze. It was fun while it lasted but I'm moving on. Plus, Secret Garden just wouldn't be the same without Hyun Bin. Without him Kim Joo Won would just be a nut.
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porninja
January 23, 2011 at 7:50 AM
Well said. I loved the show, but time to move on. There are so many awesome shows that are airing/will be airing.
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19 crook
January 23, 2011 at 7:48 AM
I remember when BOF ended and there was all this talk about spinoffs and sequels. I'm sure this will all die down and people will move on from SG mania.
The story pretty much ended in 20 and w/o Hyun Bin and Ha Ji Won, I sort of doubt people will watch.
I would totally watch an Oska/Seul spinoff though where Oska is clueless and dense, and Seul is the fierce bitch that she is.
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20 izzie
January 23, 2011 at 7:52 AM
wow. they want to bleed the cow like that?
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samgetang
January 23, 2011 at 9:16 AM
yaiks! holy cow!
just watched "someone like you" starring hugh jackman and ashley judd on cable TV now, and if you've seen it the lead female there played by ashley concocted this crazy theory about old and new cows :-)
which is not in any way related to the SG cow, haha! just digressing...
but cant blame SBS for milking, nay bleeding, their cow for all its worth :-) in kdramaland, SG is what you might call a trend-setter, sparkly tracksuit included :-)
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izzie
January 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM
although a fan, I won't be someone to ask for MOOOre. ;)
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samgetang
January 23, 2011 at 10:34 PM
i want MOOOORRRREEEEE of Hyun Bin though :-) check out the latest post on the 61st Berlin Film Festival :-)
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izzie
January 24, 2011 at 7:35 AM
ya, unnie, our station bought rights to broadcast SG. ;) so yay! the tapes have arrived! :D
samgetang
January 24, 2011 at 8:49 AM
can i guess? is this the station that just showed the "worlds within" just recently? btw, how did it fare locally, considering it was riding on the success of MNIKSS and I would guess they used it to prime the audience for SG :-) it's an HB festival, that's what it is :-) not that I'm complaining.... :-)
21 flowerpower
January 23, 2011 at 8:32 AM
After rewatching Secret Garden for the Gazillions time I do think it is time to move on, although If I were to chose I would go for the movie. They could show their marital life and what happens after the honeymoon phase and how they overcome the decison they made about getting married, and how after five years they are still a happily married couple with 3 lovely kids. But this will definetly have to happen when HB comes back from the Marines, because without the two maim leads it would not be the same.
I guess this is just my wishfull thinking because I would be a miracle if the two leads would reprise their roles after two years, just look at what happened with Full House, there were talks about a sequel but neither leads wanted to do it again.
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22 nokcha
January 23, 2011 at 8:45 AM
Don't kill the magic to fatten some pockets!
This drama was the success it was because of the novelty of the concept (within dramaworld), the dynamic performances of the main leads, and, well, hate to admit it, but maybe a tracksuit or two....a sequel would not be a good idea.
A movie and possibly a play...I like the idea of a movie.
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23 pv
January 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM
Yay. Im excited. Thanks for sharing =)
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24 ar
January 23, 2011 at 9:39 AM
yikes! I love Secret Garden but they should really just leave it alone! Don't ruin a good thing. There really isn't much story to tell for another season (160 hours) even if the story revolved around the other characters (Seul x Oska and Jong-soo x JW's sis).
And if there is a movie or a musical version, it will only be a shadow of itself without Ha Ji Won and Hyun-bin. Those two actors made the flawed story work.
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25 Daniela
January 23, 2011 at 9:54 AM
I love Secret Garden, but please…forget Hyun Bin going to the army. What would be the story? And I’m not only talking about a second season, if they make a movie, the story would be the same or it would be another? In either case, it’s not a good idea.
Please SBS, leave it like that! It is good that way. 20 episodes were enough, I’m happy like that. I hate that every time something is successful the squeeze everything until they ruin it (I’m not talking specifically in dramas, Hollywood had ruined me many movies with the sequels).
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samgetang
January 24, 2011 at 9:02 AM
you said it! ;-)
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26 Dara
January 23, 2011 at 10:16 AM
She's pregnant and they swap body just in time of the delivery,lol.
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Jenn
January 23, 2011 at 10:28 AM
LOL.
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Severine
January 23, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Haha, I'd watch that! But it would be more of a drama special.
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ThickBrowsBro
January 23, 2011 at 1:21 PM
L. O. L.
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27 Sukispop
January 23, 2011 at 11:06 AM
"Cash Cow" was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the header for this article, and it is absolutely the only thing that's driving this. I loved Secret Garden a lot, but it was a story that was, for all intents and purposes, told in its entirety within the framework of a 20 episode drama. Within its 20 episode run, it came full circle with both the lead and secondary couples resolving their major conflicts and earning their happily ever after conclusions. Joo-won's mother was the only big conflict that was not completely resolved, but I'm glad that it wasn't a loose end that was tied up all nice 'n' neat and cozy. And, in the end, she stepped aside and let them be.
Hyun Bin and Ha Ji-won ARE Secret Garden, and without either of them, any subsequent work with the Secret Garden label would be nothing more than an empty shadow with a poser tag and dollar signs in its eyes.
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samgetang
January 24, 2011 at 9:01 AM
agree :-)
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28 kati
January 23, 2011 at 11:12 AM
I think they have to write to then a nother drama will be much better than doing so much.....etc
They have to leave like this Secret Garden had end.
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29 Venus
January 23, 2011 at 11:14 AM
its all about the MONEY....they trying to milk this for all is worth.....there is no story to tell here...NONE...
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30 flowerpower
January 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM
“SECRET DIARY OF AN ADDICT”
Day one: It’s Monday morning and still feeling depressed because my favorite drama has ended…need to replay episodes 1-20 after finishing with work and other life related stuff.
Day two: Can’t believe SG has really ended!!!...Need to find SG related post to see what is going on...Wow!!! SG love still going strong!!Yay!!
Day three: Wait, there were other dramas airing at the same time as SG???? Need to catch up on other dramas that went under my radar, also need to check new dramas that are coming up…but still need to go and check other sited for SG updates!!!
Day four: OMG these withdrawal symptoms are killing me!!!!
Day five: Stop!! What are you doing? You said yesterday that you were not going to search for anything SG related…Yes it’s official I have gone nuts, need to find my own Shrink.
Day six: Yay! SG special was awesome, but I wish they had more NG. Sigh! I guess this is really goodbye, thank you show for giving me so much joy these past weeks I will miss you but I think is time for me to move on….
Day seven: What? They might make a sequel, a musical or a movie? nooooooooooooooo!!SBS are you trying to kill me?
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Shawnee
January 23, 2011 at 12:17 PM
Been watching MV's of SG. .... Reading articles about SG...enjoying all the OSTs!!!
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ghaylet
January 24, 2011 at 7:22 AM
awesome post! really made me laugh.. more so because it's exactly how I'm feeling these days. ^^
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31 shizniz00
January 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM
no need for a second season because it ended beautifully and should be left with a beautiful memory.
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32 ceire
January 23, 2011 at 12:22 PM
I don't wanna! *whiny voice*
SG was awesome, and I totally loved it BUT I see no need to make sequel or anything else. The drama ended well, and there was enough story in the 20 episodes that aired - there is really no need to forcefully create new things just to drag it on and on and on. Go create a new profitable (...because that's what it's about anyway, right?) hit, I say.
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33 Ani
January 23, 2011 at 12:44 PM
All I've got to saqy about this post is that that is one cute snapshot of the SG Couple. Now, about Tae-sun and Oska.... XD Nah, it won't be the same without all the actors in the drama.
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34 Rainyrain
January 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM
for me SECRET GARDEN is HA JI WON and BINNIE without them there's no SG so if it's gonna be without them then I won't watch for sure ( no offence everybody )
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35 Anne
January 23, 2011 at 1:12 PM
They should definately hav a SPIN-OFF, not a season two! I don't know why but I think Secret Garden is best left alone how it ended! It's perfect the way it was n adding anything else is... just... heh.. Idk, sorta ruins the whole thing? But if they hav some new solid good actors with switching bods n stuff IM ALL FOR IT!!!!! I will pray day and night until it happens. (Get ready to eat your left foot girlfriday!!)
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36 Unnursvana
January 23, 2011 at 1:21 PM
Aren't they doing and novel and stuff with secret Garden too?
I really don't see what would be left to tell in a season 2 if they ever made one. I would watch it for sure but Idk if it would be as good as the first one. I don't see why they need to add a second season though, if they would do it.
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37 ThickBrowsBro
January 23, 2011 at 1:29 PM
Ehh, Season 2?
I kind of dont like where they ended the show, so I wouldnt care for them to pick it up from there either.
My biggest issue with the finale was probably that they ended up having kids. I mean, dont get me wrong, kids are great! But they still felt like their early stages of dating for me, and I felt that their relationship weren't at the mature stages that having kids call for. I do understand that there was a time jump, and it was kind of an epilogue-type thing. But they lost me -I didn't buy that they had kids. It didn't feel real. Soifboidfdowobow.
So, yeah, I wouldnt care for a story revolving them and their married life with kids -because in my head it didnt happen. ... And I'm still bitter that she didnt get a wedding.
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38 Dav
January 23, 2011 at 1:33 PM
It is Sunday.
Work is slow.
I am the very model of a modern chaebol leading man,
I’ve got a giant house, the perfect car and a lot of fans.
I am the closest thing Korea has to royalty
(as long as one discounts the Goong continuity).
I’m tall and even I marvel at my handsomeness,
And I put a lot of work into the distinctive way I dress.
My romance life always goes according to my plan –
In short I am the very model of a modern chaebol leading man.
In fact, when I have some empathy for the proletariat
And when I don’t tell women to do a disappearing act
When I know more of boundaries than a stalker in bush,
And my clothes do not present such a sparkly tush,
When I can keep from getting amnesia for a week or more,
When I don’t humiliate my crush in front of a department store,
And my best friend is not my ex lover and my shrink
You’ll say a better chaebol man never chugged a drink.
For my romantic knowledge is as stunted as a bonsai tree,
And every one is always stunned at my immaturity,
But if you only count the house, the car, and lots of fans,
I am the very model of a modern leading chaebol man.
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flowerpower
January 23, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Wow!! Good job!!!!!
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annie
January 23, 2011 at 3:28 PM
NICE!
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samgetang
January 24, 2011 at 8:52 AM
Dav, this is precious literary work! :-) wow!
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39 gingganggolli
January 23, 2011 at 1:35 PM
...its not the story its the actors...why don't they get it dammit!
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40 anotherfan
January 23, 2011 at 2:00 PM
Oh boy... it definitely was the actors that made the series more than the story. I've been rewatching it more carefully and I just cannot imagine anyone else in those roles. Love hb & hjw and hb& ysh and then all the side characters.
Usually, I'd love to see it "go on"... but not this time. Doesn't make sense and there isn't more to tell. I guess a movie sometime in the future might be ok -- often Jdramas come with something like that or a special but nothing soon.
I loved it just the way it was despite all its flaws. :)
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41 OH BOY
January 23, 2011 at 3:50 PM
DEFINTELY NOT A SEQUEL! but i want a movie keke...
start of my withdrawal coz i just finished watching it. @_@ my eyes are swollen. need to catch a sleep.
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42 evelia
January 23, 2011 at 4:09 PM
A movie would be much better. A Secret Garden 2 no since what else could they add to the story.
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43 lisa
January 23, 2011 at 5:03 PM
i wanna see TAE-SUN~!!!
that would be COOL~!!!!
wit cameos from the original stars!!!!!!
maybe meet oska again!!
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44 Katey B
January 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM
I hope the people look at the fans' reactions and rethink their proposals.
I for one would not be up for watching anything for TV or the big screen without Hyun Bin and Han Ji Won.
BTW I think Hyun Bin needs convalescence rather than anything else right now-at the rate he's going he'll be heading to the marines in a box. Anybody trying to push him to do anything else is playing havoc with his physical and mental health.
Message to Hyun Bin's management company:
'Is the best you can do? Are you sure?
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samgetang
January 24, 2011 at 8:57 AM
LOL! yea, that's how Joo Won would deal with these jerks....if only Hyun Bin is half the a**h***e character he portrayed...he would not be pushed around so easily, hehehe...
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Katey B
January 26, 2011 at 10:11 PM
I've been looking at Hyun Bin in the Taxi interview and his fan autograph photos and he doesn't look exhausted.
Were the reports of him only getting 2 hours of sleep a night and having to be on drips at the hospital during the last weeks of filming SG exaggerated?
I feel stupid for overreacting...
Oh well, I'm glad Hyun Bin is looking well...
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45 Atsirk
January 23, 2011 at 6:00 PM
I love SG, but a Season 2 totally kills the magic. I'm sorry :(
I do want a loveline between Oska and TS...tee-hee :D
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46 Jenny12345
January 23, 2011 at 6:23 PM
Mmmmmmm.....Scratch the season 2....There's nothing to tell anymore...the body swapping is finish. (actually they did use the body swapping very well in the drama; esp the sacrificing body swapping bit...Can it get more melo than that???) Yeah, Ummm a movie; that just condenses everything...I guess I stick wif the musical...ahahahaha..Kim Joo won singing about the little mermaid ahahahahahaha...I wonder
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47 Mae Ann
January 23, 2011 at 6:35 PM
I'll go for the drama...a Secret Garden Sequel since the couple Hyun Bin and Ha Ji Won have acquired a lot of interest from the crowd...
Their reunion may be a big impact for the crowd especially with 3 kids with them...........hehehe....
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48 Mae Ann
January 23, 2011 at 6:38 PM
I'll go a movie either...wehehehehehehe....although it may exist 2 yrs or more from now....:)..
really love the couple...;)
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49 Birdie
January 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM
please.....enough of SG.Have they never heard of all good things must come to an end? People are ready to move on.
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50 Yurinaa
January 23, 2011 at 7:47 PM
I want to see those 2 more ...........
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