Side note/post script/ before bed
@obsessedmuch you know how you told me to read the lyrics to Mino’s infinity Challenge with HaHa?
Why didn’t I do it previously… I mean I know you wanted me to read them cos of how he related them to current events and yet I’m just here kinda fangirling over yet another awesome historical figure my boys writing sick raps about… woops.
Zico being a language fanboy with Sejong the Great and now Mino with Lee Soon Shin. (Okay so I know that was probably the challenge, to write about a historical figure BUT STILL) Also- Have you seen Admiral: The Roaring Currents? Tis a movie about the guy Mino sings about. It’s pretty good. At least, I liked it from a historical perspective- A+. In terms of movie structure it was ok, but like, watch it for the history, since the whole thing is about a historical naval battle.
I’m not sure which song I like better. Both. For different reasons. They’re both really good. I really like the choir in Z’s though.

Also:
Turtle ships.

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    Lol that was more than 2 months ago!!! (But thanks to this I now have a timeline as to when you will get around to watching random Winner things :P)

    Good right? I was so impressed! And I still think this whole concept was a brilliant way to get the present generation interested in history! I love both songs! It helps that Haha is not bad either..

    I haven’t watched the movie but have seen it being referenced so many times on variety shows that I think I really should watch it!

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      … well you know. I have a long to do list… 🙂 (HAHAHAHAHA)

      Yessss! Definitely a clever concept. One I highly approve of ofc, as mini history nerd hehe.

      I think it’s the highest grossing film in Korea ever??? Yes, check it out when you have time. I watched it at my friends in Pittsburgh, cos she said I could put anything on, cos she would fall asleep no matter what, so I put a Korean movie on ofc. Now she says she gets adds in Korean ever since I left hehehehehe *noshame8

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        Ah I do- you and your multiple long lists- you listoholic 😛

        I shall add it in my list 😉 (still mental.. Seriously, I should learn from you)

        Haha.. good girl! On YT? I still don’t get Korean ads even though all my suggested videos are Korean.. Or some other site?

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          Only for Korean things I swear hahahaha

          (You’ve been saying that since day one lmao)

          Ugh I think I streamed it on Kiss-asian actually, so I don’t know what or where she gets the adds, but they’re in Korean. I think YT though… I probably watched some stuff on YT whilst I was there hehe. But I didn’t ask.
          (I don’t get ads anywhere. Except naver. Cos that’s apparently the only site my adblocks don’t work pffffft)

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            (I will do it one day. You watch me! :P)

            (I have never gone on Naver, so wouldn’t know.. but I used to get ugly ads on Kiss asian so I stopped watching shows there)

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          (hahaha okay… 😛 )

          (well Kiss asian was fine with my adblocks, and then it was like ‘nyah you can’t watch anything with adblocks anymore’ so I stopped going on there as well, and now it’s been shut down due to copyright infringement lol. So doesn’t work anyway)

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    *comes trolling, errh, strolling by just to say “MINO!”* 😛

    Btw, I fully expect you to have changed your name to Park In Seo by the time I get back to this site properly. *does the fingers-eyes “i’m creepy and watching you” thing* BE PREPARED! (for quizzes, obviously. And there will be NO multiple choice ones… Just so you know :P)

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      Kaybee is ALIVE! YAYAY/. Did you hiccough a lot? @obsessedmuch tells me there’s a saying in India that if you hiccough it means someone misses you hehehe.

      I don’t even know who Park In Seo IS and Googling didn’t help!?!
      … er… is this like… a threat- I mean- incentive to hurry up and get into Winner already? hahaha

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        Errr…. I dunno…. I didn’t keep track… I had the hiccups once or twice… Does that count?

        Park In Seo is the joke-name for Inner Circle (Winner’s fandom), because the two first syllables in Korean sound like ‘In Seo’ 😛 They’re also called Incles and IC (the latter of which is seriously confusing cuz of Infinity Challenge o.O like RM being both Running Man and Rapmon). No wonder you couldn’t get a google answer kkkkk.

        What?!? Noooooo…. Not at all. *cough* *sideways glance* *shifty behavior* You could always… just… not study… I guess…. and then do poorly on the quizzes… I mean… if that’s your thang, like, if you don’t like to do well on quizzes, feel free to not look up their stuff 😛

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          Yes that counts hahaha. We missed you lots and I thought of you every time Hongki or the Saico posted a fancam of a concert on their inst. 😛

          Ahhh I should’ve googled ‘Park In Seo Winner” then; that would’ve come up with something.
          Why so many nicknames hahaha BBC’s just have Bees 😛 much simpler.
          (Yeah the RM thing confused @obsessedmuch when I started talking about BOTH in the same convo… woops. Should just use Namjoon from now one hehe)

          Hahahaha I like quizzes though… and I’m competitive. I just feel like I’d only be learning things to get good marks on the quiz and not because I want to! haha

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            Aww haha ^^ I miss you guys lots too, everything’s just been really busy and weird and stuff lately.

            I dunno! It’s crazy. And don’t even try to go deeper, fandom-wise, cuz some people talk about different circles and erm… it gets weird o.O
            (ahahahaha that was so me when Jinwoo was on IC, cuz Incles kept posting comments about how happy IC was to see him on the show and it was just so confusing lol)

            Oh noes! We can’t have that :O I’ll save the quizzes for when you have one day stumbled upon enough Winner vids, completely randomly or whatever, to have been sucked down the black hole haha 😉

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            What Kaybee is hesitating from saying here but which I find very funny is that there is a section of ICs who become “Sinner Circle”- on uh.. certain occasions!

            Park InSeo… Hoonie came up with this… As OT5 had most of the surnames popular in Korea- Nam, Lee, Kang, Song, Kim- the only one left was Park… So he said Inner Circles could be called Park InSeo because they are part of the group..

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            @obsessedmuch Yeah… that… doesn’t even surprise me. That that’s a thing.
            I have seen too much to be surprised by anything now. That’s probably a bad thing.

            Hahahaha ofc he did. That’s cute.
            I sort of find the whole naming of the fandom thing weird? Or farfetched sometimes, when the reason behind it is awkward? And then other times I think it’s clever and cool.
            Not just Korea either. Like fan bases the world over have had names for ayges.

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            Probably… but it’s not like u can change anything about it… In fact, the only option is knowing even more and not getting surprised EVER! Which- Yup- not a good thing..

            I found that name cute… I think even the name Inner Circle had some interesting significance but I forget now… The names I never get are EXO-L and Shaowl? Maybe more but I don’t remember fandom names…

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            @obsessedmuch
            Well, I mean, spending less time on the internet would help. But I think I’m just scarred for life now hahaha.
            But knowledge is power… right? 😛

            Probably! They often do! Often the meaning is cheesy but yeah. The Park In Seo thing is cute.

            Shawol is not even the official term for SHINee fans, it’s just a nickname as well. Which everyone uses. Apparently it’s short for the real name, ‘SHINee World’… *shrugs*

            EXO-L I looked this up because I can, and I did actually know this, but I forgot and you will see why I forgot. You ready?
            “The ‘L’ stands for Love, in alphabetical order, L is the 12th letter (for twelve members) and links the letters K (EXO-K) and M (EXO-M). EXO-L is considered a sub-unit of EXO, so that EXO-K + EXO-L + EXO-M = One. As in the band’s slogan “WE ARE ONE!”, meaning the band members and the fans are ONE. EXO-L is in charge of promoting worldwide the Love for EXO-K and EXO-M.”
            … and now everyone cry for the loss of EXO-M. *smh*

            2NE1’s fandom name was Blackjacks. Which I think is awesome.
            BTS’ is ARMY, which I didn’t know stood for something for ages. It means “Adorable Representative M.C for Youth”… which I might be part of the reason I DON’T call myself an ARMY hahahaha
            (similarly I reckon part of the reason I would call myself a BBC/Bee is because I really like bees… pffft)

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          I figured as much. Been praying for you, it’s all good.
          Oh… weird fandom stuff… yay… not -.-
          (Pffffffft ah man I feel like that happens a lot with acronyms hehe)

          Hehehe exactly. You want me to get into them properly! Good idea.
          Yeah and I’ve decided that today is not a Kpop day because it will just make me annoyed. :/

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            (yep acronyms make all kinds of trouble. But also awesome. I also found IOI a bit confusing at first tbh. Cuz LOL just with little l’s? Which is why I’m still super miffed they didn’t call Wanna One LOL. That would’ve seriously made my year. But alas, Mnet has no humor. A flair for the dramatic yes, but no sense of humor.)

            Ahhh one of those days… I hope you’ll find something rewarding and joyful to do today <3

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          (Pffahahaha you will never be over that will you? 😛 )

          I hope so too. Might get of DB now for a bit. Paint. Or watch AOY idk… erghk. xx

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            (nope, never. It’s just too good of an opportunity to miss, but they ended up callling them something that makes no sense… Booo… :P)

            Sounds like a good idea ^^

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    Replying here cuz that was too confusing (and I wasn’t getting any notifications)

    Spending less time on the internet? Can we accomplish that? I think I need to wean myself away from DB gradually. Scarred for life- that was me when I was first roaming around looking at random kpop videos almost an year back and stumbled upon the comments on some random BTS video… I never knew language could be used that way for no reason at all on a public forum… I now thankfully don’t remember the video or even the conversation but I do remember something about someone not having Jams- which is apparently a thing associated with one BTS member (you would know better I guess?) and that is how I remember it to be an Army conversation… I think I vowed never to go roaming around kpop land without proper guidance after that! 😛

    This kind of knowledge? Nopes. Not power. Just random things filled in our head which we will probably rarely use outside our K-world i.e. DB!

    Ah, definitely cheesy. ‘Inner Circle’ because they are the closest to Winner and W (the logo of Winner)+ Inner makes Winner, which uh.. I mean okay.. not very out of the box. I would say that it is quite elegant though- and goes with the image that Winner debuted with (rich, classy, luxurious). Good thing that every time these kids open their mouths, they ruin that image! 😛

    SHINee World- umm okay… not quite interesting..

    EXO-L—- LMAO! I am LAUGHING! They really thought a LOT! But the end result is quite underwhelming.. Doesn’t really sound like a group’s name..

    HAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHA! Whaaaaat! I am gonna call you an Adorable Representative M.C for Youth FOREVER!
    (I like the name BBC.. also MooMoo is cute)

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      I know I’m sorry… I should’ve done what you did and shifted sooner.

      Hahaha well… habits are possible to break. Hard… but possible. I guess it’s just a good thing if we can go without it for long amounts of time. Then we good. 😛
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA JIMIN YOU GOT NO JAMS. LOLOLOLOL. Ahhh man… the poor boy.
      INFO DUMP: So what happened was they were filming on a plane one time, and Jimin (the one who stripped in that vid) was like ‘ENGLISH TIME’ but back then… most of their English (apart from Rapmon, who taught himself) was pretty limited. And Jimin said something, and then in joking reprimand Rapmon goes “Jimin, you got no jams” which like… I don’t even know why he said that hahaha. But ARMY’s jumped on it and make jokes about Jimin’s jams being found or still lost or whatever. That joke is so old. Some fans get annoyed that the joke is still going. But the members themselves still use that joke so…
      Hahaha! And then you found kaybee and I and we were your guides! lol

      You never know, if we’re ever on a variety show one day it might come in handy? pfffft

      W-winner? Rich? Classy and luxurious? Pffffffffffffft I literally went ‘lol wat’ when I read that first. Hahahaha keep trying YG, keep trying. I’m so glad they ruin that image too. Tis what makes them more appealing anyway haha.

      Not interesting at all, right?!
      At least we can say SM tries hard right… 😂 😂

      Oh gosh… hahahahahahaha …. please don’t LMAO
      (British Broadcasting Company… jk jk haha. Moomoos yesss and APink fans are Pink Pandas which is also cute!)

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        Lol it’s ok!

        AH.. so I didn’t understand most of what you said cuz I don’t remember the actual plane video/ haven’t watched it (or did u mean Jimin is the guy who stripped in BTS vs Block B battle?) but I am guessing Jimin not having jams would not make any sense even if I got all the context?

        Lol yes.. you were my guides and sunbaes! 😀

        Hahha.. yeah! K-variety here we come with shit load of information! 😛

        Hee.. actually they are quite classy in their debut and Exit:E albums! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBBy2p5EQhs
        Also in their stage performances- remember that Baby Baby stage performance?
        But yup, good that they keep undercutting the official- makes them so much more interesting! It’s like Zico on stage vs Zico on real life (or you know, the ‘real’ life we get to see at least..)

        Yup! Quite stupid actually!

        Lol.. we shall see! 😉
        (Ha! Oooh Pink Pandas is cute too!)

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          Jimin is the guy who stripped in BTS vs Block B battle?<<< YES THAT.
          And no it wouldn't really haha. Just know Jimin apparently has no jams. We don't know why. 😛

          Awww I'm a sunbae hehehe *repping since June 2016 waddup*

          I mean… yes… they can be classy. I don't think that's what I was saying … Stage performance is one part of a whole. Like Zico. I guess I was just remembering Hoonie and Mino trolling fans in the Island MV and Yoonie and his Ballet Parking… kekeke
          OMONA SO I DIDN'T EVEN READ THE REST OF YOUR PARAGRAPHY BEFORE TYPING THAT^ And we both used Zico as an example hehe. Zico's stage presence is part of him though. Which actually reminds me of a big long thing I was gonna send you about Jiyong and also our perception of idols and stage names, but it's only half written so, uh, look forward to that?! hehe

          Probably why Shawol is used more 😛

          Yeah I bet we will -.- hahahaha
          (Imagine an actual pink panda though… irl)

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            Noted 😛

            Hee.. you are your oenni’s sunbae! *My love from the stars coming to mind*

            Hahaha… yes! When I am talking to you Zico would be the perfect example.. with kaybee, I would be talking about Mino/Hoon/Yoon instead! 😛 But uh I wouldn’t be explaining it to her cuz she is the one who got me into them and I don’t even know why i am typing what I am typing.. Basically Winner are classy dorks just the way Zico is a swaggy dork.

            Oh yes! The post- concert thoughts? I had forgotten about that! Makes me wonder if we have missed any other conversations! Could happen cuz we talk on 5 different threads at the same time! 😛

            (Instead, imagining all those animal costumes kdrama candies have to wear while working one of their many jobs!- but pink pandas could be cute!)

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          That’s such a weird thing. Cool but weird. *wishes when she watched that wasn’t so long ago because she’s forgotten like everything that happened in that show except for the bit that made her cry, ET references and the red carpet ending* *woops*

          Hahahahahahaha ahhh rambly obsessedmuch has arrived 😛 kekeke
          Classy dorks, and one swaggy dork… I like that. What does that make the rest of Block B? And also FTIsland? Block b are… they sort of all have swag? It’s more like… I don’t know… the kind of energy you find in a circus. Swaggy clowns? Idk where this is going… now I’m the one rambling.

          Yes those!! I had not forgotten… I had just sort of, put it on the backburner haha. Oooh goodness I have no idea. I hope not, but realistically, probably.
          I found a really old one of Kaybee’s and I’s the other week and bought that back… that was funny.

          (Oooh like that one in Introverted Boss, and Jiyong wears on at one point- but PINK! That’d be cool. I’m gonna put one of those in my Korean Female Rock Band drama for no reason.)

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            Ah.. I was talking about Cheong Song-yi and her arch-nemesis who dies/killed, for which Song-yi is blamed- but that exchange between them was juvenile and a small part of the show.. But yeah, I remember random minor things from the show- probably because I have watched it more than once..

            Hehehehe! Lol @swaggy clowns! FTI? Not sure! But now i really want a phrase for them!

            Lol, I am sure she must have forgotten it.. Was she surprised?

            (Ah.. so the female rock band is gradually getting more shape! )

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          Ahhh yes I do remember the juvenile exchanges hahaha
          Yeah… I really need to rewatch it… *sigh*

          They’re just rock stars through and through, right? So maybe… Rock star dorks?
          So then we’d have Classy Dorks, Swaggy Clown Dorks and Rock Star Dorks.
          I like that line up but I’m still not sure haha

          Ah a little I think! But it was one of our crazy threads where we talked entirely withing **s so… yeah.

          (Slowly but surely…/ I actually drafted part of it in my head… but then it sort of turned into a ‘adopted daughter of a crime lord’ drama and I don’t know if I want them to be the same thing or not )

          Oh by the way, I watched the Baby Baby MV. And it made me sad.
          Kinda embodies everything I think about when it comes to fame and that kind of thing, and if you need an aesthetic to go with my ‘the world is a drug’ poem, that MV fits preeety closely.
          And also like that song is just amazing on so many levels, and I want Namtae to write something like that again cos holy shit. I don’t even know what genre that is… I should but I don’t.

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            Oooh I like that line-up too! But yeah.. it could be a work in progress and maybe we can change it as we go along! 😛

            **s? What is that? Why can’t I fill in the blanks!!

            (Umm.. what? Korean girl band to crime lords and family drama and a thriller? The plot is all haywire!)

            It is one of my favourite Winner songs and MV.. Gave me goosebumps! It’s just so beautifully made. The song seems too close to the truth/life they live.. Namtae must have felt it all and he poured it all out! And that ending- him walking away with a suitcase, the name of the album being EXIT:E- everything seems to have been a foreshadowing of his eventual exit somehow… I hope something as good soon.. I am sure he will come up with something brilliant…

            (I still haven’t gotten around to reading the story and poems.. Shall do so soon)

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          Hahaha I like that idea. We must share with Kaybee when she gets on. I feel like she’d be good at this kind of thing.

          *we talked like* *this* *for over ten comments* *pfffffft*

          (I KNOW! That’s why I’m not sure if I want it to be the same thing or not. At the moment it’s ‘Girl adopted by crime lord just wants to start a band and have a normal college life but her crime lord grandfather wants her to inherit his money and men and well “business” when he dies’ and then it gets even more complicated with side stories and love interests… I get carried away sometimes hahahaha It’s still new in development, ok? There will most likely be two very different dramas at the end of this… I hope…)

          How about IS my favourite? Hehe Really Really being second at this point I think.
          It’s stunning, although that’s to be expected from YG.
          “The song seems too close to the truth/life they live…”
          Ahhhhh shit. I just looked up the lyrics and what with just reading those of Runaway… now I feel like crying noooo.
          I have a list now. Of songs that are too accurate (to them, to me) and hurt my heart. Baby Baby (Winner), Super Star (Jiyong), Runaway (Bobby), Anti (Zico) and The Last (Suga) ngggggghhhhh there’s probably more but that’s all for now.
          Mmmmmm… pretty sure he did. Pour it all out that is.
          I’m sure he will… he’s too talented not to haha.

          (please cos now I have a lot of feels)

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            I wrote a long comment and posted it.. came back to it 10 minutes later and it is showing inappropriate! Lemme try again!

            Yeah Kaybee would definitely be good at this!

            I vaguely remember that conversation.. And here I was trying to decipher what word is **s! 0_o

            (It could work but yeah needs a lot of thought.. good luck filling it up)

            I love Empty, Different and Baby Baby equally.. Really Really and Fool would always be special because those were my first Winner songs..

            Aww… don’t go to sleep with that mood… Listen to a peppy number before sleep!

            They all are similar songs- as in they seem to be coming from the same place- basically life (though I haven’s listened to Jiyong’s)..

            (Definitely)

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            And just remembered, Mino’s ‘fear’ is thematically similar too!

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          Oh noes! Did you remember it all?

          Hehehehe woops… I mean, ah, yes, it means… er… *blanks*

          (Hahaha I know, I know and thanks. I do this a lot though. I play around with story ideas in my head. Sometimes they’re full finished stories… sometimes they’re not.)

          Ahhhh I always think I’ve listened to all of someone’s songs, and then I remember that Spotify has a lot but not all. Listening to those now. What album are they on?
          Really Really is so catchy… I get it stuck in my head a lot haha.
          I remember really liking Pricked. And another of theirs but I can’t remember the name and I can’t even remember what I have and haven’t listened too so I’m just gonna go do that. So far I really like Different.

          Ah… I didn’t have time. I was too late anyway. But I had a shower. I think that helped idk. Probably not since I slept badly and had to get up early cos work breakfast this morning, and then when I arrived at the cafe, some random held the door open for me and asked me if I was alright – like sheeeeeeeet do I really look THAT bad? Crivens.
          What I really need to do is go for a walk but it’s been raining all week and is miserable out there. Ergh.

          Lyfe, yes but some of the deepest darkest parts of life. Or else they’re just life experiences that resonate very soundly with me. And they echo my exact thoughts on fame and entertainment and how hard it must be for them, and how horrible it is sometimes, and how I feel like there’s a disconnect between fans and the stage, even when the artists themselves are screaming these sorts of things.
          Super Star is nice… well ok, nice is maybe not the right word, but musically I think it’s nice haha. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01qFNY_l1AQ

          And yes! Fear is on that vein too… The feels have not left… yay. -.-

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            I think I did… but I was a lil miffed cuz here I was all happy to meet your bedtime deadline (:P) and it wasn’t even posted! Specially when I was talking about what not to do before going to bed!

            (I love knowing the thought process behind each story.. I have in the past come up with random bits of imagination but never thought them through and they are just roaming around living half lives in my mind)

            I don’t think I have listened to all of Winner’s songs even! I have mostly focused on their variety things! Both from their debut album- they wanted to debut with ‘Different’ as their main song- because that is them kinda saying they are different from other boy groups/ YG family/or whatever you expect them to be- but YG preferred ‘Empty’ which is good too but a lil less meaningful to the kids… You should also listen to their ‘Go Up’- that was the song they made for the finale of Who Is Next and it has so many feels about what they feel about competing with their brothers..

            Really Really is catchy indeed! And I love it when other celebrities try singing it and turn it into Lealy/Lily! 😛 … Ah yes Pricked was the Taehyun-Mino song right? i liked it too but I don’t think I have listened to it more than once.. I think I will play a lot of Winner songs today as background music while I read your story and poems

            You had work breakfast? I have heard of work lunches and dinners but that is the first time I am hearing work breakfast! Or do you mean work and breakfast- which would make sense- yes Obsessedmuch. Try doing some exercises at home perhaps? Or meditating? It often helps too.

            Yeah.. I had goosebumps when I read the lyrics of all of these songs..
            I just read on Soompi that Bobby drew inspiration from Fear for this song.. I mean I read the headline- didn’t really go to the article cuz I had a feeling the comment section wouldn’t have been healthy after the recent fandom fight..

            Aww.. how about you listen to some feel-good songs today instead of these!

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          Well… at lot has happened in the last 4 hrs… hahaha woops.

          Hahaha aww I love that you know my bedtime… that’s so cute. What time is it there? My bedtime deadline?

          (Well now that you’ve got me talking about my writing more, you’re likely to get some of that! And I actually like talking about it… cos sometimes how stories start is really weird… awww how long are their half lives? Are they uranium? *bad joke*
          What sorts of ideas are they?)

          Oh well, that makes me feel better haha. I haven’t seen nearly any of their variety though… woops.
          So that album is on Spotify… I just for some reason didn’t listen to it before? *shrugs*
          Awww that kind of sucks. Why’d YG want Empty instead?
          … You should also listen to their ‘Go Up’- that was the song they made for the finale of Who Is Next and it has so many feels about what they feel about competing with their brothers..

          Ahahaha the R/L pronunciation mix up, in any non native English speaker, is quite hilarious and adorable. I also find it interesting that it is not just the Japanese and the Koreans that struggle with it (because they only have one sound and it’s a mix between the two) but also some Europeans mix them up. I
          wonder what it is about that tongue shape that people struggle with.
          Yeahp! Sure is!
          Will update you more on what I like when I’ve listened to more and know them more. Am still too new hehe.
          Ooooh did you have fun with that? Sounds like a really pleasant day.

          No, no, you were right the first time! A work breakfast. My work has them cos apparently it’s too hard to have dinners and nobody wants to go out? Which doesn’t really make an awful lot of sense to me, but oh well. So breakfasts it is!
          Although now that you mention it maybe getting up early and going to a cafe to work would be a good idea sometimes. Get me out of the house, treat myself, try get some writing done hmm… maybe when I’m less poor… haha

          All good suggestions. Now I just have to do them… ahhh see that’s why I like walks preferably with @burgundy because someone is there to hold me accountable. Otherwise it’s too easy to let the depression win *sigh* *ani. you can do it. hwaiting. himnae*

          Mmmm same. Gosh… that just made me think of the goosebumps you’d get from ANTI live… O.o
          Oooh really? Interesting… although… like… in what way? Idk, when I read the lyrics it seemed quite personal, but I guess one can be inspired by something and still write something personal. Duh.
          Probably a good idea. I can’t really handle any comment sections right now… and I’m dreading BTS’ comeback for that very reason even though the song sounds good… D:

          What did I listen to today… Jiyong this morning- mix of sad and hype.
          Then FTIsland on the way home from the breakfast. That was nice.
          More FTIsland when I went into town again. And Bobby’s album again this morning to get more of a feel to it and honestly, surprisingly I’ve had I Love You on repeat!!! Hehehe.

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            A lot? Like what? You watching TLAHL?

            Around 4:30pm.. but you start saying you are tired from around 3:30 my time 😛

            (Good that you like talking about it- works out well for the both of us! 😀 Lol.. that was a really poor joke but here I am laughing like a good unni! 😀 Random ideas- fantasy, romance, thriller- but basically just a scene pops up ij my mind and remains there)

            I have no clue why YG chose Empty- maybe it went with whatever image he wanted to portray of Winner? I dunno, he wasn’t wrong though. They achieved an all-kill with their debut and were called monster-rookies (I think they debuted around the same time as BTS.. I have seen some old mean comments from armies about how Winner had it all easy cuz of YG name and how BTS had to work reeeely hard :/

            Europeans mix it up too? I didn’t know!
            Hee.. I will wait for that update!
            Nah.. that will happen now.. after 7pm when I am a lil more free..

            Wow! Work breakfast really sounds odd! Is it awkward? I wouldn’t want to have breakfast with office people probably.

            What time do you normally wake up?

            You really can! *hwaiting Sico*

            I went and read the article later (without venturing into the comment section)- He didn’e explain much- just that he was inspired from ‘Fear’ in general, specially the “living in CCTV” part..

            I checked the BTS teaser- seems interesting.. They are coming out this month right? It’s gonna be crazy.

            That sounds like a good lineup.. I checked a lil of Winner’s appearance on Hongkira- that was a perfect combination of my favourite people..

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          1/2 Yes, watching TLAHL, making Ramen, getting dessert, replying to endless DB threads hehehe, getting burgundy into DB… etc etc… 😛

          Hahahahahaha ofc I do… that’s the sign I should be in bed already! But I don’t go!!! Cos I’m silly~!!

          (:D 😀 😀 Yay!!! And let me know if there is a specific story you want me to ramble about hehe… HAahaha well at least you laughed… 😛 😀
          I have this urge to cultivate those ideas… but if you don’t want to you don’t have too, my inner writer is just itchy hahahaha)

          Wooo. Go Winner!
          (Ahhh… see I do kind of understand those comments because BTS did come from smalI company and it’s hard to get to where they have off the back of a small company, they’ve done incredibly well.
          I do think YG has money and can pour that into their groups for sure, and they know how to make popular things, with polished performances and good producers and writers behind it all, which is often a guaranteed success (at least now it is- Blackpink for example)
          But, that being said, knowing what I know now about the industry, I don’t think anybody has it ‘easy’. And from my observations of Winner… they seem sort of niche among international fans? Like the fans that follow them recognise that they’re something unique and amazing, and they do well, but they never seem to be as viral as some groups? But I haven’t really gathered enough mental stats on that… just that Winner seems to do well where they are because they’re Winner and not because of YG.
          (That being said imo, even though I want all my boys to do well, I almost prefer that Block B and FTI aren’t as well known EVERYWHERE as BTS cos that means less fans to be nasty, and more community feel. Ofc, it also means people are missing out on a good thing but oh well haha)

          They do yeah! I can’t remember who it was… I think a native Portuguese speaker- who mixed them up. (So actually a Brazilian, but their first language is European by root)

          A bit different yes haha. No, not awkward. We’re all sassy bookish librarians and we all get along well hahaha.

          Ugh… depends. on the day. I still haven’t started waking up early regularly. It’s bad actually. Another symptom of depression (Sorry do I talk about this too much? idk… *is suddenly self conscious*) is either you sleep too little or too much…
          BUT sometimes even when I think I sleep in it’s only ever till like 8:30… hahaha.

          *Sico… pronounced like Zico I presume… I like this new nickname a lot alot hehehe ♥ ♥ ♥ *

          Ahhh cool (wise move lol) Mmm I can see that though… like how we were saying those songs have similar themes in them, because I think a lot of the artists in kpop feel the same thing sometimes, and just some of them write about it. So it makes sense that it’d resonate with him? “living in CCTV” hmmm such a good sad line.

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            2/2 Yessss this month eeeeek. Actually in two days… the 18th…
            I’m sort of nervous and dreading it and feel bad for not being more excited, but then I saw the teaser this morning and Suga drew me in once more, so I’m nervous but excited for it now I think haha.
            I can tell it’s gonna be a hit. I don’t know how good or how much I will like it yet, but I can tell it’s gonna be a hit, in Korea and intl. THAT WHISTLE WILL BE STUCK IN MY HEAD FOR AYGES I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

            Oooh so many good Hongkira’s to put on my to watch list.

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            Ah yes! That is a lot! Have we been way too active lately? The whole day just passes with just replying to notifications! I wonder if we will be this chatty when we actually meet up in real life! Do you talk a lot? I don’t!

            (I shall find you when I feel like getting those ideas into shape… I was discussing my future career options with one of my best friend who is now in London and she suddenly went all- why don’t you write a novel? I have full faith in you- and I was caught off-guard cuz I have never given her any inkling that I write! And I was all- but dear S, one needs to have that bent of mind and it is too late to cultivate mine! I guess to her an insane amount of interest translates into writing automatically.. How do I tell her that I am not even reading that much anymore!)

            So uh let me re-phrase: not that they have it easy but that they would be nothing without the YG name.. they are just a talent-less bunch of people getting by because of the YG name and being Big Bang’s hoobaes.. Obviously 1-2 comments do not make it a common belief among Army and Winner have thankfully proven themselves capable beyond doubt and BTS is too far ahead for any sort of competition/rivalry to happen..

            And yup you are right.. they do have a niche and quite casual international and even national fanbase. Like, while I read some comments about increasing the views and what not, other ICs are all about “do views even matter. Let’s just enjoy their music.” Which is really nice and refreshing. And just like you said about Block B and FTI- while I do want them to be more famous, it’s kinda nice that they don’t have that exploding popularity that could result in a lot of nastiness..

            A bunch of sassy bookish librarians sounds cool! Random question- do you wear specs? I just suddenly pictured you in cat-eye frames.

            No no.. you don’t talk about it much. And you can talk about it if it helps. I can’t really provide much help but I guess talking/ writing about problems might help?

            Oh yes! I think it was made in one of Kaybee and my conversation.. Was it not in the party planning thread? But yeah, not like sick-o but Zico 😀

            Yeah.. if everybody started writing it, it wouldn’t be that meaningful.. it would just become the norm.. That line/ that song is what made me a Mino fan and I didn’t even want to go check the song out because it had no MV and the SMTM stage looked very dark- it was Winner’s random dance on WI that got me there because they were out of sync in all their dances and when Fear started playing it just suddenly seemed like they had a set choreo for it- when, as you know, it really has no choreo! 😛

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            I am sure the album will be brilliant because it does look that good already even to a third party(me!).. And is Suga the blue haired one? I am loving that look! That whistle was kinda creepy.. like something is about to happen!

            But at the same time why am I imagining a barricade behind which countless no of Armies are just lying in wait and as soon as the album drops, the barricades will be broken down, the floodgates will open up and there will be an outpouring of fans! Like I am imagining YT not working! 😛 There must also be many new fans since that Billboards award got them international recognition..

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          1/2 I don’t know!?! Maybe?/ I did have all of last week off? Maybe that was it.
          I also just discovered that one of your threads and our convos has 165 comments… 😛
          Ahhh- it depends! If it’s about writing or something I’m passionate about I won’t shut up. But I don’t get energy from other people or talking, (actually, too much of too many people drains me really fast)and my best friends and I can do nothing and be in the same room and that’s fine.
          So I can talk lots. But then I can go ages without talking either. 😛

          (Ani! You are never to old to cultivate that! Never too old. Tsk tsk.
          You do sort of have to WANT to do it though. It’s not something that should be forced. Encouraged yes, and pushed yes (cos writers are serial procrastinators) but you can’t force creativity…
          Dude… I AM a writer and I rarely read at the moment! Although I miss it. Haha
          You could write a novel hehehe please do come see me if you ever have the inkling to :P)

          Lol wat Winner? Talentless? What kind of bullshit is that? *haters are so irrational*
          I’m almost glad? They’re so far ahead? That the only other group that is on the same wavelength of popularity is EXO? Cos I’m so glad I don’t have to deal with them VS anyone else. And even then the AMRY vs EXO-L thing is so silly haha.
          Niche, casual but classy. That’s Winner hahaha
          Dude really? YES! That’s the kind of fanbase you want. Who cares about the views, we’re all here for the music anyway. Views is not the only form of support.
          Mmmm exactly.
          *squints at Zico’s haters though*

          Hahaha! We are preety cool if I do say so myself 😛
          AHAHAHA no! I do not. But I think I suit them? Idk I’ve tried on mum’s before. And I have a lazy eye so I’ll probably end up wearing them one day since I’m long sighted.

          Okay… that’s good. Thank you. No I think sometimes I just need to vent/ writing has always helped me process things so typing it out to you probably helps like that for sure.

          Was it?>?? I might’ve missed it?! Either way I like it a lot! Hehehe

          But not everyone does. In fact… it’s sometimes sort of taboo to delve so deep like that. The Last for example, almost straight up mentions suicide.
          I don’t really think it’s normal anywhere to be honest. It takes a lot of strength to put something like that out to the world in any culture.

          Awww the things that hook us in, eh. (Hee I loved the SMTM stage… :P)
          Hahahaha! That’s cute. Oh man, it’s like Walking in the Rain by Block B! On their last WI episode UKwon started this stupid as dance to it that they all instantly mimicked and so for ayges I couldn’t take the song seriously cos I’d always just see them meme dancing to it! And then I read the lyrics and I was like GUYS THIS IS SUCH A SAD SONG WHY ARE YOU MEME DANCING TO IT hahaha

          Now I want to go watch Winner on WI

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            2/2 (also… I know have a WinKon playlist on my Spotify. And a WinKon folder in my Korea folder in my pictures, in which there are iKON, WINNER, MOBB and Aesthetic sub folders, and a sub folder for every Winner member even though I only have 1 picture of Mino at the moment… lol)
            ((I don’t know if you find picture saving like that creepy but I’m the Picture Squirrel remember, and I like to organise my pictures folders super detailed, and I like pretty faces, and bone structure, and gifs, and memes… seriously my ‘Korea- ruining my life since Jan 2015’ folder is more organised than my life will ever be…)

            Oh! That made me happy. That even you can tell it will be good haha.
            I don’t know why… maybe I just expect negativity around BTS… that’s such a sad thing to expect. Oh dear.
            HE IS THE BLUE HAIRED ONE YES! OMO YOU RECOGNISED HIM YAY! I know right?? @burgundy and I were just discussing how he looks so good with pastel hair colours for someone with such naturally pale ass skin. He had mint hair once, Mint Yoongi was a great thing. Blue Yoongi is pretty close too. Haha lol lookit me fangirling over his hair.

            Yeah… the whistle. Someone on here (maybe umbrellaman) said it reminded her of the Kill Bill whistle haha.

            That is. LITERALLY what WILL happen. That’s what has happened ever since Wings last year! The views will freeze and they’ll break like another bajillion random YT records. IT’S TERRIFYING. THEIR TEASER HAS 11M VIEWS!? Some artists actual MVs don’t get that high? Like… wtf.
            Yeah, they have a lot of new fans from that for sure haha. There were some hilarious twitter posts about that.

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    Are you going back to work this week? How are those 2 art commissions coming along?
    Yeah I noticed that 😀 I think it’s already something like 168.. And I am yet to read and comment on 2 poems and one story! It can touch 200!

    (I am a serial procrastinator so at least I have that part all covered already 😉 And definitely, I will come ask for your help if I ever do start trying to write one)

    That reminds me have you seen 3 Exo members’ appearance on Happy Together? It was hilarious cuz one of the other guests was a BTS fan- this is just a clip from there, watch it from around 4:30min- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9sklq3XFVM

    Good then 🙂

    Now I feel like watching that episode of WI with Block B… i recently went and watched one of BTS’ WI episodes because when I watched it first, I didn’t know who/what they were.

    Watch it when you get time! Winner has only come on WI like twice! One when they had just debuted and one for Fate Number For (Really Really)- it’s funny how Winner had their debut back in 2014 and since then have only released 4 albums, out of which 2 were released this year!

    2/2 (Ooh really? That’s good to hear! You at least know most of their songs 🙂 That is a start! I have some photos saved of some actors and Winner in my DB folder but they were mostly for uploading here)
    (No not creepy and ofcourse I remember our organized hoarder! 😛 Hahha.. I love the name- ‘Korea- ruining my life since Jan 2015’ I can never be that organized..)

    It does look quite good yes.. But I just have this foreboding.. Like I would not like to be around on 18th to maybe 22nd on YT! 😛 But they are coming on Knowing Bros and the preview looks fun!

    Yes I did! small steps I guess and I might end up recognizing them al- till now I know RM, V, Suga and Jhope from that crazy ass gif.. Hahah.. was that why you said you like a guy who can carry off mint hair when you saw Mino’s hair in the teaser pics? That boy has now gone on to a light shade of purple (thought you might like it) from some reports, though in photos it just looks blonde..

    There were 1M views for a fan video of that whistle along with some old video shots.. It was edited well and I guess people confused it for the actual video.. So yeah I can see how it’s gonna be crazy!

    Oh and I found a Winner- BTS mashup in my recommended videos.. ‘Twas Pretty decent..

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      I have one 3 hr day of work this week and it’s actually horrible because work means I have something to DO! otherwise I just spiral ugh.
      Art commissions… sigh need to draw lots this week, end of story.

      (hahahaha *one of us* *one of us*)

      I might’ve seen a meme about it?? (most of my EXO knowledge comes from memes…) but I just watched some of it and it’s quite funny. I love how Chanyeol (the tall red head) is just dying at the shade the girls throw 😛 Lol, they took it well, despite fan backlash. Because YEAH EXO AND BTS ARE FRIENDS PEOPLE GOSH.

      There’s only like two of Block B too! The one after Toy came out is pretty funny. A mess, but typical Block B. 😛
      Hahaha oh really? Which one did you watch???

      I can never decide if so little YG albums is better than two comebacks a year like some companies or not… I was gonna say how FTI does is better, 1 album a year, but they’ve had 1 Japanese and 1 Korean album for the past 3 years… so… nevermind.

      Well no… it’s mostly just Bobby and Winner at the moment!!! hahahaha but we’ll get there. I don’t even know all of iKon’s names… :O
      Glad it’s not too creepy hahaha.
      So organised, you have no idea… you should see my Seventeen folder hahaha

      It’s going to be a bit crazy on there for a while yes… O.o I wonder what records they will break this time.
      I just saw that on some else’s wall! It does look fun. (and seems to have typical BTS variety things that I like yayayay haven’t watched them on anything for ayges. Then again they haven’t been on anything in ayges)

      Hahaha yay. Hahahaha ahhh yes that gif… Hobi in his natural habitat lmao.
      That would maybe be why yes… him and Jiyong… 😛
      Ooooh really? Purple is great too (ofc)! But doesn’t get done enough in kpop imo!!!! (Hence the character hahahahaha)

      Yeah… ARMY+views is no joke D.D

      Ooooooh cool? Who was it by? and what songs?

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        No spiraling this week- keep yourself busy with your art commissions.. Does drawing become tedious if it is for someone else, according to specifications?

        Yeah all 3 were pretty okay about it.. They even joked about it! And isn’t V friends with everyone in the industry??

        I have watched both Block B ones I think… The latest I think- lot of sexy girl group dance going on..

        Hahhaa… do you mean only MOBB by that? That is only 1/4 + 1/7 of Winkon! 😛
        I know some names from iKON but that is only because I watched Who Is Next..
        (character?)

        Island and Fire- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iucX4CHTEl0
        But when I went searching for this, there were a couple of others too like Blood,Sweat&Tears + Really Really and Fool + Awake(I hadn’t ever heard this one but Awake sounds good and gels well with Fool)

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          These past two days have been horrible so I hope if gets better.
          Noooo not really. Both of these have pretty broad specs so I can kinda do whatever I want.

          V is friends with everyone in the acting and idol industry apparently. And probably other industries too hehehe He just makes friends with everything, cats, dogs, small children… flowers 😛

          Oh yes… it did… pffffffffffft. *smh*

          Well no, like Winner songs, and then, Bobby songs. So not really MOBB, since there are actually no MOBB songs ON that playlist, even though I love MOBB.
          So it’s 4/4 or 5/5 since it has older Winner stuff in it, and so far 1/7 of iKon… 😛 SO FAR. IT’S NEW. IT WILL GET MORE.
          Oh look at you hehehe

          (my purple haired character…)

          Ooh. Fire and Island… and interesting combination. Not something I would of thought of before.
          I will check them more out tomorrow because I need bed now.
          (Awake is a solo Jin song of the Wings album. Which is a good album btw, you should check it out some time)

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            It was bad today too? That’s not good! *sending you hugs and happy thoughts* Hope it gets better soon!

            Lol flowers? Interesting! Now that I think of it, he was in Hwarang, right? or was he in Moonlovers?

            Sounds good! It’s a start 🙂
            Funny thing though, I knew Bobby and B.I. even before WIN cuz they came on RM and Bobby was in that LeeHi video and I think BI was on Mari and Me.. And I knew no one from Winner! 😛

            (Ah yes!)

            Go sleep. Good night! 🙂
            (I shall check it out soon!)

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          tODAY, Tueday is so far better so that’s nice… 🙂 *hugs back* thank you. ANd sorry for like ‘oh today was shit, but no now it’s better’ updates… hope you don’t mind.
          Also, I will say it here, do you think DNA sounds sort of very YG esque? Idk why I thought that just now, but the chorus reminds me of Blackpink and the bridge sounds GDragon-y… or is that just me?

          Yeahp! Bon Voyage S1 (a summer special variety thing Bighit does for just BTS) in Sweden, he got lost on a challenge by himself, and instead of being worried he was busy appreciating the wild flowers 😛 hehe
          Hwarang. Not Moonlovers thank goodness. Although neither was very good! Although I actually though V did a very good job of his small role in Hwarang. The writing was kinda average but he acted it very well.
          Baekhyun from EXO was in ML. V and Baek are sometimes compared in looks a lot. I don’t know why I’m telling you this but oh well.
          When I can BTS info dump I will I guess haha

          🙂
          Ahaha! I’ve seen that episode of RM! They were super shy but also vry cute.

          (and when you do you must tell me what you think, ofc…)

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            *not the bridge but the ‘lalalalala’ at the end of it.
            (Pretty sure DNA is the song I was listening too when I wrote this *is suddenly not sure* haha)

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            I need updates! *unni mode on* Tell me if u have a bad day- I will try and make it better and tell me if u have a good day- we will enjoy it together 😊

            *shifty eyes* I didn’t like DNA much- except the whistling and the colours.. and have already forgotten it! I will check it again to see if I see any resemblance.. maybe I should check other songs from the album..

            Haha… he sounds interesting! Reminds me of Jinwoo- the boy took 3 hours to cover a 10-20 min walk to a building he could see! No sense of direction that boy..

            *Tries to remember V in Hwarang*.. yeah he was cute and did the dying scene quite well- I mean I dropped that show at ep17 but I checked out that dying scene… Baek did the similar scene well in ML too… what’s with rookie acting idols dying in saeguks!!

            I do that to you too.. so I don’t mind it! You tell me random stuff abt BlockB and BTS and I will do the same with WINNER..

            I loved BI doing that dance.. it’s quite sad I ended up not liking him much after watching a but of Mix and Match… Bobby is a cutie through and through…

            (But obviously 👍)

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          Okay! I will hehehe thanks for the support.
          OH hahah I forgot where this thread went so I’ll just tell you here… you know the landline I lost? Well my brother found it. It was outside… it rained two days ago… so it might be dead for good lmaoooo!!! Thought you’d appreciate that

          Hahaha that’s ok. 😛
          Despite it growing on me a lot since then, last night, even though I listened to it and Best of Me several times on repeat, I still had Island by Winner stuck in my head before going to sleep… hahaha

          He is a bit of a precious strange child sometimes. He actually gets called 4D by lots of people (members included) but he doesn’t really like being called that. I think it’s because he just thinks about things very differently from everyone else on the team and has a lot of quirks. He’s really a darling though. Seriously, wouldn’t even hurt a literal fly because he said ‘life is precious’ (happened on a VLive lol)
          LMAOOO! How on earth did he manage that?!?!?! That’ hilarious.

          *tries to remember anything about hwarang* *i mean… wat?* 😛 😛
          You dropped it but you watched the dying scene??? LOL!
          Idk, must be a rite of passage or something. Fun fact about Baek’s dying scene: Apparently LJK had to give him acting and dying directing tips because the actual director didn’t tell Baek anything… -.-
          Hahahaha deal! Speaking of Block B, all this BTS is making me miss them for some reason.
          Also apparently even Korean BBCs are starting to comment on sites and stuff that they miss Block B like crazy and just WHEN IS THEIR COMEBACK 7S? I mean really, too many hints and not enough actual info 🙁

          Haven’t seen Mix and Match… why don’t you like him?
          Bobby is a such an adorable thing. Which is hilarious cos on stage he’s like Energy and Swag pumped up x100, when in reality he still has his stuffed Pooh Bear from when he was a kid. Ahhh people who are juxtapositions, I love it.

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            Hahhaha.. you left it lying around outside!?! It’s amazing how you managed to do that! Do your parents know? Are you gonna get scolded for it?

            Lol talk about unexpected!! Island! Not even Bobby’s latest?? Tch tch tch… 😉

            Did you know that is the belief of a religion actually? In India there is a religion called ‘Jaininsm’ whose followers believe that hurting even an insect is wrong.. The extreme believers/ gurus sweep the floor before they walk so as not to hurt ants or other creatures who could be on the path..

            That was actually the video that first got me into Winner! Kaybee shared it after she had shared one of Jinwoo’s pics(where he looked like a cross between Jong Suk and Wookie- talk about sth that would gain instant attention)… It was during Winner Tv days- he had a day to himself to travel in Japan where he wanted to- the other 4 had paired up.. So he decided to go to a Japan tower (I forget the name now) that was visible from his hotel.. He came out of the same subway in the same spot thrice! It was freaking hilarious! And then he got lost in the hotel lobby another time… He kept roaming around trying to find the exit! 😛

            Hahha… people kept talking about how well he dies 😛 Had to check it out! The director seems to have not done a lot of things that he was supposed to in ML! (also Interesting that one guy each from EXO and BTS was chosen in a saeguk.. must have been a casting trend- something like “we have got acting covered, looks covered, now who will bring the younger gen? Let’s take an idol from a popular group”)

            Block B suddenly seems to have become silent! Or maybe I haven’t been paying attention!

            Hard to explain actually.. He just came across as a lil rude and self- centered- which is not actually a negative thing because he is talented at both writing lyrics and choreographing and he did wonderful as a leader and has every right to be confident in himself- but just something irritated me- it could also be an editing thing though… (and I might sound biased here and I don’t want to compare the 2 groups- but the finale performance of Who Is Next started this- Winner’s lyrics were all about walking together- 110 fingers going up together (and achieving the dreams) while B.I.’s lyrics were about his struggle when leadership was put upon him- which was goosebump inducing but not really team-spirity? and eesh.. I just did compare the 2 groups!)

            Did you manage to watch iKON’s WI appearance? Gosh, I am still laughing at Bobby’s shyness!

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