It seemed ages ago (and I have a memory of Dory) but was this the epi when they explained that they used Han Kyul’s bass because they wanted to protect Chan Young? I love when that was clarified, made me love Crude Play even more 😍😍
I was commenting to @Azzo, that between the two of you, I’m reliving all my fav scenes in TLAHL! And I enjoy your brand of snark! It’s a gift you know, to be snarky and yet not off-putting so well-done!
Thank you! I think it’s important to be critical without attacking. To me there’s a difference between poking fun at something and being malicious, and I try my hardest to toe that line. Plus, if a drama really offends you, just stop watching instead of ruining everyone else’s enjoyment.
Sidenote: I love how Han-gyul and his dad both wear t-shirts from different bands. In this episode alone I\’ve seen a Nirvana and Pink Floyd shirt. It really makes them feel like music junkies.
I think she is. She just cares about music the most. Hangyul is part of that. + she probably can relate to how helpless Sorim is at the start of a young career where you know nothing of the industry and have to learn the hard way.
Yeah — I mean, she has never shown a tendency to go out of her way to hurt someone. Be somewhat petty or make bad decisions, sure. But never calculatingly malicious.
GOALS. More than romantic “drama couples” with big stuff, I love their small moments because it’s the kind of thing I can see happening to me, it’s the kind of relationship I want to have, not a drama relationship, but just a normal one like this.
I was so happy. I mean, I still think this is a teeny bit manipulative, but it’s more grown up and respectful of her feelings and her relationship with Han-gyul.
It’s sad how chanyoung innocently agreed to play as a session musician because he loved Hangyul’s music, then from then on, got asked to actually replace Hangyul instead of just playing the bass, and got roped to be part of a fake band instead, and things went all awry when the initial beginning was because of love of music.
Jinhyuk problem is he flips flops between being the tough business man making cold-business decisions and being a musician himself and sympathizing with them. Lack of decision leads to a mess of a plan.
They both respected each other. CY loved HG’s songs, and HG admired CY playing. What happened that during 5 years, admiration and respect and share of music as common ground turned to envy and self-pity and feeling miserable because of music. :((((
Oh Chan-hyuk, really? I just can’t with this stupid cliche behavior. It’s just so needlessly stupid and adds nothing to his arc. I get that you’re hurt but this isn’t helping garner my sympathy.
It’s not supposed to garner your sympathy though, merely to show how rock bottom he has gone at that point, how shitty he’s feeling, how much in need of kindness he is, how desperate he was for human comfort and sympathy that he’s clinging to it so desperately, which Sorim, bless her, recognized and was willing to give back to him, like how he comforted and hugged her when Hangyul was an ass to her.
That much I understand, but Chan-young’s asking her to choose him is emotionally manipulative and wrong. He knows she’s a good person, he also knows that she’s with Han-gyul. It’s one thing to ask for comfort; it’s entirely another to ask her to “choose [him]” at a moment where he’s vulnerable. She’s pledged her loyalty to him as a producer and done nothing wrong. This is the kind of BS I hate second leads pulling.
I agree that it was wrong of him to expect anything from her besides friendship, but his plea is not out of a desire to manipulate, but rather the kind of wishful thinking that comes when you’re desperate and losing nearly all hope. To me, he’s no more of a serious romantic second lead than Jinwoo is. Or even Gyusan. Hence I see this scene not as the typical romance plot arc. I view it more along the lines of the emotional climax (or should I say bottom) resulting from Chanyoung’s thirst all drama-long for human connection.
Let me point out that out of all characters, So-rim is the most adept at creating and cherishing those human connections… heh. It’s no coincidence everyone gravitates towards her and seek her affection, aka “lover,” ha!
I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree here. While I agree with your assessment that he wants a human connection and he sees So-rim as the one to give it to him, nothing about his body language, or his actual words for that matter, convey that this is an innocent plea.
A person can be emotionally manipulative without being malicious, which is how I see this situation. He may not be a more serious interest than Jin-woo, but the way he’s acting in this moment is not OK. He can seek comfort from So-rim despite his turmoil in a number of other ways and using a number of other phrases. But he chose this one, and I don’t think it’s OK considering, as noted above, she’s already professionally loyal to him and she’s in a relationship. I understand that he’s been deeply hurt in this moment, but that doesn’t give him a free pass.
I’m not giving him a pass about him being wrong for asking it (like I said previously), or how he went about it as a person. I just wanted to express in my comment that narratively, that scene was coherent and followed a natural progression of his arc about human connection, and in line with his desperation as a character. And coherent writing and characterization that makes sense is something I appreciate, but I get that we have to agree to disagree about it 🙂 What is thoughtful characterization to me could be distasteful to you 😉
No worries — we’re all here to express our own opinions and readings of these scenes and this drama. 😉 I actually really enjoy seeing others’ POV because sometimes later it makes more sense to me. 🙂
I just have really strong feelings about this kind of scene in dramas in general, and it disappoints me to see Chan-young/this show falling into that trap. (I’ve expressed multiple times before that I’m not into the fact that he’s developed romantic feelings for So-rim, so I’m highly critical of this part of his arc. I think the character is better than that second lead cliche.)
Nothing to add much. It’s just fascinating how opinions can differ between just two people and arguments can be made for the writing being with depth or cliche both. lol.
Oh, I don’t disagree with the fact that it adds emotional depth — I just think there are a hundred better ways the show could’ve done it, but instead it chose to fall back on a tired cliche. Which does a disservice to the character, in my opinion.
And, here’s the million dollar question. Jin-hyuk’s cutting of corners and inability to manage his bands has led to the start of his own downfall. I suspect it’s not gonna be a pretty fall, either.
You know, I’m starting to think that Jin-hyuk isn’t purposefully creating a rift between Chan-young and Crude Play, but because of the former’s personality that is the result.
Methinks the age system in Korea also didn’t help since it’s so rigid and all. All original CP members are sage-aged classmates while puppy grumps is younger. The interactions you can have between your peers changes drastically if it’s only a few months apart, not even a year, and starts off way less comfortable. Until you get explicit permission from the older party to speak more comfortably, it’s impolite to do so. Seohyun, Girls’ Generation youngest, still speak formally to all the other members after 10 years, even if they are now close. She complained on Knowing brothers that the members wouldn’t let her speak informally now. It took me a while to comprehend how it’s such a big deal over there what age you are, even if it’s just a few months -____- Blows my mind.
Then add to that, he was the odd one out, the one who can play, the one without initial friendship with them, brought in because of the company, initially rejected too. If he had a quiet personality to begin with like many bassists, it would have been even more difficult to speak up and that lack of expression and communication got even worse of time. But maybe I’m reading too much into this. :PPPPPPPPP
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 9:23 PM
I knew these boys cared about Chan-young. It’s actually very sweet that they anticipated this issue coming to light and kept his talent safe.
silverp
August 25, 2017 at 10:15 PM
Taking care of magnae <3
KdramaAhjumma
August 26, 2017 at 3:37 AM
It seemed ages ago (and I have a memory of Dory) but was this the epi when they explained that they used Han Kyul’s bass because they wanted to protect Chan Young? I love when that was clarified, made me love Crude Play even more 😍😍
SnarkyJellyfish
August 26, 2017 at 8:05 AM
Yeah
KdramaAhjumma
August 26, 2017 at 7:51 PM
I was commenting to @Azzo, that between the two of you, I’m reliving all my fav scenes in TLAHL! And I enjoy your brand of snark! It’s a gift you know, to be snarky and yet not off-putting so well-done!
SnarkyJellyfish
August 26, 2017 at 8:57 PM
Thank you! I think it’s important to be critical without attacking. To me there’s a difference between poking fun at something and being malicious, and I try my hardest to toe that line. Plus, if a drama really offends you, just stop watching instead of ruining everyone else’s enjoyment.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 9:22 PM
Whoo-hoo, CEO Yoo telling it like it is.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 9:19 PM
Sidenote: I love how Han-gyul and his dad both wear t-shirts from different bands. In this episode alone I\’ve seen a Nirvana and Pink Floyd shirt. It really makes them feel like music junkies.
silverp
August 25, 2017 at 10:16 PM
I also love how they have the same mannerism (way of sitting, of thinking, or how they tease by making clown faces with their eyes.)
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 10:17 PM
Seriously. They feel like a real father and son. Even when there’s tension you can feel the love.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM
I really hope she’s sincere. She’s been a bit of a pain but she’s never shown herself to be malicious.
silverp
August 25, 2017 at 10:18 PM
I think she is. She just cares about music the most. Hangyul is part of that. + she probably can relate to how helpless Sorim is at the start of a young career where you know nothing of the industry and have to learn the hard way.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 10:21 PM
Yeah — I mean, she has never shown a tendency to go out of her way to hurt someone. Be somewhat petty or make bad decisions, sure. But never calculatingly malicious.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 9:11 PM
I love how honest these two are with one another.
silverp
August 25, 2017 at 10:20 PM
GOALS. More than romantic “drama couples” with big stuff, I love their small moments because it’s the kind of thing I can see happening to me, it’s the kind of relationship I want to have, not a drama relationship, but just a normal one like this.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM
SAME
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 9:06 PM
OK, you’re on the path to my forgiveness Chan-young.
silverp
August 25, 2017 at 10:21 PM
Awww. He didn’t say anything….
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM
I was so happy. I mean, I still think this is a teeny bit manipulative, but it’s more grown up and respectful of her feelings and her relationship with Han-gyul.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 8:54 PM
Oh thank God this self-pity tantrum is over.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 8:49 PM
THIS. I’ve been saying since the start that Han-gyul clearly respects Chan-young as a musician.
silverp
August 25, 2017 at 10:23 PM
It’s sad how chanyoung innocently agreed to play as a session musician because he loved Hangyul’s music, then from then on, got asked to actually replace Hangyul instead of just playing the bass, and got roped to be part of a fake band instead, and things went all awry when the initial beginning was because of love of music.
silverp
August 25, 2017 at 10:24 PM
love for music = for all of them
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 10:25 PM
Seriously, Jin-huyk made a mess of everything.
silverp
August 25, 2017 at 10:30 PM
Jinhyuk problem is he flips flops between being the tough business man making cold-business decisions and being a musician himself and sympathizing with them. Lack of decision leads to a mess of a plan.
Marina
August 25, 2017 at 11:17 PM
They both respected each other. CY loved HG’s songs, and HG admired CY playing. What happened that during 5 years, admiration and respect and share of music as common ground turned to envy and self-pity and feeling miserable because of music. :((((
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 8:34 PM
ONWARDS to episode 13! Looking forward to this fallout.
I really hope Jin-hyuk gets his comeuppance soon.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM
Oh Chan-hyuk, really? I just can’t with this stupid cliche behavior. It’s just so needlessly stupid and adds nothing to his arc. I get that you’re hurt but this isn’t helping garner my sympathy.
gokovi
August 25, 2017 at 7:26 PM
It’s not supposed to garner your sympathy though, merely to show how rock bottom he has gone at that point, how shitty he’s feeling, how much in need of kindness he is, how desperate he was for human comfort and sympathy that he’s clinging to it so desperately, which Sorim, bless her, recognized and was willing to give back to him, like how he comforted and hugged her when Hangyul was an ass to her.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 7:33 PM
That much I understand, but Chan-young’s asking her to choose him is emotionally manipulative and wrong. He knows she’s a good person, he also knows that she’s with Han-gyul. It’s one thing to ask for comfort; it’s entirely another to ask her to “choose [him]” at a moment where he’s vulnerable. She’s pledged her loyalty to him as a producer and done nothing wrong. This is the kind of BS I hate second leads pulling.
gokovi
August 25, 2017 at 7:47 PM
I agree that it was wrong of him to expect anything from her besides friendship, but his plea is not out of a desire to manipulate, but rather the kind of wishful thinking that comes when you’re desperate and losing nearly all hope. To me, he’s no more of a serious romantic second lead than Jinwoo is. Or even Gyusan. Hence I see this scene not as the typical romance plot arc. I view it more along the lines of the emotional climax (or should I say bottom) resulting from Chanyoung’s thirst all drama-long for human connection.
Nerea loves Beanies
August 25, 2017 at 7:57 PM
Let me point out that out of all characters, So-rim is the most adept at creating and cherishing those human connections… heh. It’s no coincidence everyone gravitates towards her and seek her affection, aka “lover,” ha!
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 8:03 PM
Part of the reason I love her so much!
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 7:58 PM
I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree here. While I agree with your assessment that he wants a human connection and he sees So-rim as the one to give it to him, nothing about his body language, or his actual words for that matter, convey that this is an innocent plea.
A person can be emotionally manipulative without being malicious, which is how I see this situation. He may not be a more serious interest than Jin-woo, but the way he’s acting in this moment is not OK. He can seek comfort from So-rim despite his turmoil in a number of other ways and using a number of other phrases. But he chose this one, and I don’t think it’s OK considering, as noted above, she’s already professionally loyal to him and she’s in a relationship. I understand that he’s been deeply hurt in this moment, but that doesn’t give him a free pass.
gokovi
August 25, 2017 at 8:16 PM
I’m not giving him a pass about him being wrong for asking it (like I said previously), or how he went about it as a person. I just wanted to express in my comment that narratively, that scene was coherent and followed a natural progression of his arc about human connection, and in line with his desperation as a character. And coherent writing and characterization that makes sense is something I appreciate, but I get that we have to agree to disagree about it 🙂 What is thoughtful characterization to me could be distasteful to you 😉
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 8:25 PM
No worries — we’re all here to express our own opinions and readings of these scenes and this drama. 😉 I actually really enjoy seeing others’ POV because sometimes later it makes more sense to me. 🙂
I just have really strong feelings about this kind of scene in dramas in general, and it disappoints me to see Chan-young/this show falling into that trap. (I’ve expressed multiple times before that I’m not into the fact that he’s developed romantic feelings for So-rim, so I’m highly critical of this part of his arc. I think the character is better than that second lead cliche.)
silverp
August 25, 2017 at 10:26 PM
Nothing to add much. It’s just fascinating how opinions can differ between just two people and arguments can be made for the writing being with depth or cliche both. lol.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 10:28 PM
Oh, I don’t disagree with the fact that it adds emotional depth — I just think there are a hundred better ways the show could’ve done it, but instead it chose to fall back on a tired cliche. Which does a disservice to the character, in my opinion.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 7:15 PM
And, here’s the million dollar question. Jin-hyuk’s cutting of corners and inability to manage his bands has led to the start of his own downfall. I suspect it’s not gonna be a pretty fall, either.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 7:06 PM
I really want to punch Jin-huyk now. You made my puppy cry. This whole plan was so underhanded and unnecessarily cruel.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 7:01 PM
Me, before this entire Music Sketchbook performance:
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 6:53 PM
Whatever bee is in Chan-young’s bonnet is long dead, and I’m pretty sure he’s just making up excuses to be a sulky brat now.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 6:49 PM
*Swoon*
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 6:40 PM
Oh Jin-hyuk, I\’ve got a bad feeling about this.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 6:25 PM
I think she’s got Jin-hyuk’s number. I mean, she’s overstepping too, but he’s really making a mess right now.
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 6:13 PM
You know, I’m starting to think that Jin-hyuk isn’t purposefully creating a rift between Chan-young and Crude Play, but because of the former’s personality that is the result.
Naomi
August 26, 2017 at 12:08 AM
Methinks the age system in Korea also didn’t help since it’s so rigid and all. All original CP members are sage-aged classmates while puppy grumps is younger. The interactions you can have between your peers changes drastically if it’s only a few months apart, not even a year, and starts off way less comfortable. Until you get explicit permission from the older party to speak more comfortably, it’s impolite to do so. Seohyun, Girls’ Generation youngest, still speak formally to all the other members after 10 years, even if they are now close. She complained on Knowing brothers that the members wouldn’t let her speak informally now. It took me a while to comprehend how it’s such a big deal over there what age you are, even if it’s just a few months -____- Blows my mind.
Then add to that, he was the odd one out, the one who can play, the one without initial friendship with them, brought in because of the company, initially rejected too. If he had a quiet personality to begin with like many bassists, it would have been even more difficult to speak up and that lack of expression and communication got even worse of time. But maybe I’m reading too much into this. :PPPPPPPPP
Naomi
August 26, 2017 at 12:09 AM
Wowza. Didn’t think the comment was this long. Sowie
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 6:11 PM
Ohhhh, this should be delightfully awkward!
SnarkyJellyfish
August 25, 2017 at 6:06 PM
This boy…subtle. No wonder everyone who knows him figured out that he’s seeing So-rim.