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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 20 (Final)

We must not have wished hard enough for an ending that would magically solve the issues endemic to this production, since I can think of no other reason why this happened. It could’ve been worse (they all can be worse), but it’s certainly not what we would’ve hoped to see at the end of this sometimes rewarding, sometimes grueling journey through a modern girl’s integration into a time far from her own. Which leaves us to wonder, was it all about love? Altering history? Fate working in very mysterious ways? Who knows.

…No, really, does anyone know?

 
FINAL EPISODE RECAP

Su arrives at Jung’s secondary home, and finds herself thinking of So when Jung outstretches his hand to help her out of her palanquin. But since they’ve been forbidden from marrying by the king, Jung’s prepared a more secret ceremony, though he tells her not to worry—even married, he’ll just consider them as friends.

He explains how she’ll be set up nicely in this house, and that he’ll come to visit her often. She’s all smiles until he gives her back the hairpin she’d given him as a symbol of her desire to leave the palace, which carries with it the memories of So, who had given it to her.

The small box of belongings she brought with her contain the multiple copies of the poem she had So write, and she looks at them with tears in her eyes. We then cut to her married life with Jung, as Su etches a likeness of So on a stone, and Jung practices his swordsmanship.

But Jung gets the eerie feeling that they’re being watched, and suddenly leans forward as though to receive a kiss from his wife. She just smiles and dabs his sweaty forehead instead, which is when Jung gently takes her hand and tells her that he’s arranged for the recently retired royal doctor to pay her a visit.

It’s clear that Jung’s putting on a husbandly show for whoever it is that’s spying on them, but we can’t see who. Inside, the doctor feels her pulse to check on the baby in her womb—apparently this is something Su’s known about, but when the doctor first checked her, it was too early for him to tell.

However, he warns that her already shaky health will be tested with the baby, but Su is adamant that she’ll do whatever it takes to ensure the health of the child. Jung is taken by surprise with the news, and orders that the doctor stay with them for a time, since they can’t risk this secret getting out.

So receives an account of events from his spy, detailing how affectionate Jung and Su are. He’s livid since Baek-ah said the marriage would only be a formality, but this report claims anything but.

While completing her rock drawing of So, Su is suddenly overtaken by heart trouble, and So gets there in time to see Jung fret over her and carry her inside.

Adorably, Jung sleeps in a separate bed only feet away so that he can at least look at his wife. “Do you remember when we first met?” he asks. She wonders whether it was when she ran into the forest to save him, and the two reminisce over fond memories.

So can hear the two of them laughing from outside, and returns to his throne in a daze as he tells Astronomer Choi that he never wants to hear a single word spoken about Jung or Su ever again.

Meanwhile, Su imagines sitting across a table from So, both of them smiling at each other. “We have finally left the palace, and are alone together. You and I… we are the only ones left. We can forget the truths, lies, misunderstandings, and jealousy… the restless bickering over the throne and the many deaths. It is a time meant only for us, and I can love you to my heart’s content.”

Six months later.

Jung paces nervously outside the birthing room, the sounds of a crying baby coming from inside. The midwife comes out with a perfectly healthy baby girl, though Jung instructs the midwife to claim that the baby was stillborn to anyone who asks.

He goes in to find Su in a sorry state, though he reassures her that the baby’s in good hands—now all she needs to do is worry about herself. A tear snakes down Su’s cheek as she weakly hands him a letter to be delivered to So, though it’s not news of the baby. “I… want to see him,” she explains, and Jung readily agrees (though he changes the calligraphy on the front, claiming that his wife’s writing is too identical to the king’s).

Su holds her infant daughter in her arms, but is suddenly stricken by an illness that has her swaying on her feet. We don’t hear what the doctor has to say, and Su doesn’t seem to notice the letter she wrote to the king sitting on the table nearby. Or is it another letter? I can’t tell.

After discussing matters of state with Astronomer Choi regarding a plan to cut off supplies to the most powerful clans to silence their voice, So is given another letter from Su.

But since the envelope is in Jung’s handwriting, he believes it to be from his half-brother and throws it into a pile of other unread letters, all of them from Su.

Looking sicker than ever, Su wonders why So hasn’t come yet, considering how she’s sent him so many messages: “Does he hate me that much?” Jung stops himself from saying that he’s already sent messengers, instead claiming that he forgot while promising to get on that immediately. Aww. Just live happily ever after, you two.

In an effort to cheer her, he brings her outside, where he’s gathered musicians from the capital to sing for her. Su is too weak to speak, so Jung ushers the singer to sing anything she wants, and the singer opts for a song that a court lady sang which made the king fall in love with her.

Su’s eyes open a little wider at that, and the singer commences with her song. Su recognizes it as the song she did, in fact, sing at Eun’s birthday. So had overheard from a distance.

This sparks more memories to come flooding forth as Su murmurs, “Long ago, you promised that you would treat my life as if it were your own. Do you remember that?” Then she turns to Jung as she weakly tells him to protect her daughter in her stead, and to never let her go to the palace.

Jung looks like he’s trying to hold it together, but Su’s given up all hope on So ever coming to see her before she leaves this world. He pulls her in so her head rests on his shoulder, saying, “Su-ya, in your next life, you will remember me, won’t you?”

Instead, Su whispers, “I’m going to forget you. I will forget everything. Even in my dreams… I will forget all of you.” She dies in his arms, and Jung can only cry as he holds her to him.

So receives news of her death in utter shock, only now coming to realize that all those letters he ignored were from Su. He tears them open one by one and reads them, and in them, she explains that she loved him completely. She knew that she left him with hate rather than love, and wondered if he resented her for it.

He clutches the letter in his hands and sobs, only now realizing the depth of Su’s feelings for him. And too late, at that. We flash back to her writing more letters of her love for him, recognizing each time he was there for her, and each time he was there to save her.

The voiceover continues as So spurs his horse to Jung’s house as fast as he can:

“I still love you. In the rain, when you tossed everything aside and stood at my side, when you threw yourself in the path of a flying arrow for me, I became unable to forget you for the rest of my life. The opposite of ‘to love’ isn’t ‘to hate’ — it’s to throw away. That I threw you away, and that you threw me away… I’m afraid [we’ll] think that. I miss you, but I cannot be close to you. Hoping we will meet again inside a winding fence, I wait for you every day.”

Baek-ah finds Jung in mourning clothes, caressing Su’s urn. He hands him a letter, which Baek-ah begins to read with tears in his eyes. They’re interrupted by a frantic So, who comes in crying for Su to show herself.

But when his eyes come to rest on the urn, devastation hits. Jung blames him for waiting too long, but So blames him for writing his own name on the letters—he had no idea they were from Su. Jung says he did it only because her handwriting was so similar to his (again, what and why?), but he can’t believe that So wouldn’t have known Su was dying when he knows So was tracking them with spies.

Baek-ah is the one to tell Jung that So stopped receiving reports once he learned that they were getting on so well, leaving that realization to hit as So grasps Su’s urn and sobs his heart out. “Su-ya, let’s go,” he says, clutching it. “Let’s go.” Ouch.

Jung refuses to let him pass, reminding So that she was his wife. “Su may be dead, but she is still mine,” So cries, and it’s only with Baek-ah’s intervention that Jung allows So to take the urn. Baek-ah laments that Su spent her life caught between all of them, and urges Jung not to make it any harder on her, even now.

But poor Jung can only take out the hairpin he originally took from Su as he cries pitifully. Only then does Baek-ah realize that Jung actually loved Su, and embraces his half-brother in solidarity. Aww.

So takes Su’s ashes to the spot where she’d once stacked her prayer stones, thinking back to his memories of her, and how she promised she wouldn’t leave.

After what Won only describes as “a long time” has passed, he’s given a ceremonial cup of poison with which to kill himself. But before he does, Baek-ah hands him the letter Chae-ryung wrote in blood to Su, which Su had wanted delivered to Won.

While the soundtrack transports us to The Lord of the Rings, Won reads Chae-ryung’s letter and thinks back to their few scenes together. He feels a shred of remorse as the chyron tells us that he was put to death for treason. (He’s not worth the screencap, guys.)

Baek-ah finds himself shadowed by a small girl, who he recognizes as Wook’s daughter. He tells her that he’s her uncle, and is momentarily off-put by her name being Bok-soon, since that’s name Woo-hee tried to give him once (before she was promptly outed for lying). Even stranger, he recognizes the ornament that Woo-hee favored on the little girl, who claims to not know where it came from.

But in the time it takes him to flash back to his memories with Woo-hee, the little girl disappears.

An older, bearded, and seemingly ill Wook takes a walk with Baek-ah, mentioning the changes So has made since becoming king. Rather than have any aspirations for the throne himself, Wook only says that he wants to see the kind of king So becomes. “I wonder if perhaps Goryeo has its most powerful king in history,” Wook adds thoughtfully.

Baek-ah asks if he still misses Su, prompting a rueful smile from Wook. “I don’t know,” he answers. “I was always giving my heart, but I was always making mistakes. I’ve only come to realize that now.” He coughs, and you know what that means—it’s time for Wook’s obligatory flashback to the past, though he surprisingly thinks of his first wife, Lady Hae.

Yeonhwa tears into her husband for not going to see his firstborn son, Wang Ju (future King Gyeongjong), even on his birthday. She thinks he only sees his son as competition, reminding So of the royal nephews he’s killed in order to keep his reign secure. The least he can do is trust his own son.

But So basically says that he doesn’t trust Ju because he doesn’t trust Yeonhwa, and he knows the two of them will turn against him one day. Yeonhwa blames his thinking on Su, since she was the only person who ever said that all people should be treated as equals. That’s why she believes So passed a law emancipating slaves (this was a reform Gwangjong was well known for).

Claiming that she now understands why Su left, Yeonhwa is all too happy to bring that up just to hurt So. He says nothing, and goes instead to the spot where Su once set up her prayer stones.

A little girl bumps into him and makes a big fuss about it, which reminds So of how Su once did the same thing. And lo and behold, the little girl runs to the man she calls “Father.” It’s Jung, of course—and oh God, his sideburns have only gotten bigger.

Jung apologizes for breaking his exile to come to the palace, claiming that it was only because today is the anniversary of Su’s death. When So asks if the child is his, Jung says yes, though So notes that the child is too old to be from his recent marriage.

Taking this as his cue to leave, Jung turns with the girl in his arms, which is when So notices that she’s wearing the same hairpin he’d once given to Su. He orders Jung to leave the girl with him, and Jung drops to his knees to give his firmest “No.”

He confirms So’s suspicions when he says that Su never wanted her daughter to live in the palace, leaving the poor little girl clueless as to what the adults are talking about. She looks over to her real father as So looks to Jung, officially releasing him from his exile. In fact, he wants him to come visit the palace as often as he wants. Aw, that’s going to be the only way he’ll ever see his daughter, isn’t it?

Astronomer Choi decides to retire from his position, but doesn’t leave without telling So to forget Su, who was never of this world anyway. Now it’s time—wait for it—for Astronomer Choi to get his own flashback to happier times. Has anyone not gotten a flashback yet? No?

The sky darkens suddenly with an eclipse, and So looks to the sky as the light disappears. A rider rides against the darkening horizon as we get a flashback montage of Su falling into the water and ending up in Goryeo under an eclipsing sky…

…And then, Su wakes in her own bed, in her own time, with tears running down her cheeks over the mysterious man haunting her dreams. Oh no. No no no no. You are not pulling the Dream Card on us. Anything but that!

While working at her cosmetics job, Su tells her coworker that she’s been having dreams about a man dressed in ye olde clothes with a scar on his face for nearly a year. Her coworker says it’s because she almost died from drowning, spent a year in a coma, and then woke up. Thanks, Exposition Fairy.

Su overhears snippets of a presentation being given on cosmetics in the Goryeo era (which she may have had a hand in helping along?), and is approached by the presenter afterward. It’s Astronomer Choi, although, not him, and he gives her an enigmatic smile as he reads her name tag.

Seeing her name as “Go Ha-jin,” he tells her that in the Goryeo era, “Go” was known as “Hae.” She notes that it’s a funny coincidence since she’s selling makeup inspired by the era, to which Choi says, “There is no such thing as coincidence. Things only return to their rightful place.”

But when she introduces the line of makeup to him, she remembers Baek-ah’s voice mentioning Bulgarian rose oil to her—though she’s confused as to where she remembers hearing that. Choi seems to study her knowingly, though Su does her best to shake it off and introduce some BB cream, which she claims was invented in Goryeo as well.

Saying that prompts her to think of So and his scar, leaving her severely shaken and confused. She leaves work early, but finds herself drawn to an exhibit of Goryeo paintings, each reminding her of scenes she doesn’t know how she remembers.

The paintings show the rain ritual, which she remembers in vivid detail, and King Gwangjong. “It wasn’t a dream,” she thinks, as some honestly random images are put forth in paint form—scenes that literally no one would have thought to paint, like her bowing deeply to the king on their first meeting, her saving Jung in the forest, etc. But we’ll just have to go with it.

Su looks around the gallery with tears in her eyes, seeing herself in every painting. Only then does she stop at a portrait of King Gwangjong, remembering So in detail. The biography accompanying the portrait tells of his legacy as a good king, which makes Su think of the day she’d been sure that So wouldn’t go down in history as a tyrant.

“I’m sorry,” she cries. “I’m sorry for leaving you alone.”

As she cries, the painting before her slowly comes into focus as we return to Goryeo during the eclipse. So looks up as though he’s heard her voice, which is when Baek-ah tells him that Wook has died, and he’ll be leaving the palace as well.

Standing alone like he was in the painting, So looks back over his shoulder, as though expecting someone. But he’s alone, and comments, “Life is fleeting.” It was the same thing his father said before he died.

He’d related what his father said to Su once, and had worried over her lost facial expression. He’d wondered what she was hiding, but Su only said that she felt anxious every day she was there.

“If we had met in another world, and in another time, I can’t help but think how great that would have been,” she said. “If only that were so, I wouldn’t fear anything. I could freely, truly, love you all I wanted.” The flashback fades, and So is left in the present (of the past) to rub the makeup off the scarred side of his face with a shaking hand.

“If you and I are not of the same world,” he thinks, “then I will find you, my Su-ya.”

Cut to: The two of them walking together in flashback, with So offering to carry Su on his back due to her hurting knees. Together and laughing, they run forward.

 
COMMENTS

Really, Moon Lovers? Not one hint that Su would find her present day So? Not even after that line? You chose to show a piece of flashback footage instead? That’s how you wanted to end this, by having So look to the future, but think of the past instead? That’s your big message?

I admit it would’ve been a cheap fix to have So appear in the present day, but I was willing to take anything. It’s not as if the show established any kind of rules when it came to Su’s time-traveling, but this ending gave me horrible Dr. Jin vibes, in that both were adaptations of much more successful foreign dramas, both protagonists woke up in the present day remembering the past, and no questions were ever answered. Ever.

While we can point to failures on many levels, it was really the execution that bogged this show down, and that was never more apparent than in the episodes leading up to this finale. Su gradually lost any sense of self she may have possessed, and we lost our eyes and ears into the strange world she’d entered into. Nothing solidified that more than when we found out she was pregnant this episode, which was something she already knew. There’s a cardinal rule for protagonists in TV, especially those whose point of view we’re seeing the show through: You can keep secrets from everybody else, but you can’t keep them from the audience.

Because at that point, we’ve lost our point of entry into the events happening on screen. At the point where Su had her own agenda that we weren’t privy to, why keep trying? Who were we following? Why did it matter? I hate how bad finales bring up existential questions, but I sat for a good five minutes after this show ended just trying to think of the why of it all. What were the resonant themes? Where was the dramatic clarity, or tension? How did Su hope to solve anything by leaving?

If her main reason was her pregnancy, then we were really cheated when it came to her realization happening off-screen. The reason why it sucks to have protagonists keep secrets is because we can’t follow them, and it would’ve been a great help for us to know whether Su was playing the noble idiot and leaving the palace because of the baby. But instead it felt like she left because she just had to, but she missed So every day because she left. So why? Why anything?

By the time we reached the end, I realized that what was missing was a central conflict. I still don’t know what we were supposed to want for this show and its characters, because I couldn’t buy into the love story between Su and So despite desperately wanting to. Unfortunately for So, he was virtually nonexistent for much too long, and we only knew he would be important later on by virtue of him being played by Lee Jun-ki. But were he a total unknown, and were this not an adaptation, we would’ve been sorely misled in the beginning with the Su/Wook loveline, the development of which seemed to outweigh the thought put in to the development of the Su/So pairing.

Which isn’t to say that they made a mistake in focusing on that loveline first, but they did make one in not laying down a better foundation for us to jump to the So ship later. It’s entirely possible that these two lovelines worked out great in the much longer original version, but there’s really no excuse for this show’s inability to tell the story it wanted to tell in the time allotted to it—and with it being pre-produced, it’s even worse. It’s not like that twentieth episode just snuck up on the writer, or that the writer didn’t have time to plan out how to adapt a longer drama into a shorter format. That’s the whole point of pre-production!

Going back to the episode, and bypassing all the WTF-ery surrounding Su’s return to the present, her year in a coma, presumably another year having dreams about the past, Astronomer Choi being back in the future (but not as a homeless man), the eclipse that somehow blurred the lines between both worlds, the paintings of scenes no one else would’ve seen or thought to paint, the fact that Su spent years in the past while only a year or so passed in the present, the fact that Su physically died in the past and all the questions that raises about whatever happened to the girl who used to inhabit Su’s body, what were we left with?

We’re left with Lee Jun-ki putting on a one-man show. And, okay, Ji-soo got his moment to shine this week, which made me desperately wish we’d focused on his love for Su rather than the tenth prince’s crush. But that’s neither here nor there at this juncture. I guess it’s the same as with any show that limps its way to its finale: I wish it had been better, because there was a good drama underneath all the nonsensicality and noise. But we can’t win ’em all.

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Been refreshing the website for the recaps. Thanks HeadsNo2 for the great recaps!

Gah. What a ending. And it is really a one man show by Lee Jun Ki. I hope the next drama will be better. I am actually planning to watch it.

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Unless they have a sequel planned set in the present time then the ending was awful.
If they do have a sequel then great, I really enjoyed the show a lot until the end.
I bet there is no sequel though.
I am still waiting for the sequel to Signal.

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@Lilly
No way there is going to be a sequel with the terrible ratings it drew in korea.

But it did do great internationally. So maybe for the Chinese market again.....maybe a movie....nope. I truly feel that Lee Jin Ki and the cast should stay away from another production if its from the same team of directors,editors,writers.

Signal was epic.

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Great acting and production. I really love Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo and I want to see a part 2!

If you have time, please support this online petition for a Part 2 with a HAPPY ending. I've seen this online so to all fans like me, please support it. Thanks

http://www.joysofasia.com/join-the-petition-for-part-2-of-moon-lovers-scarlet-heart-ryeo/

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I watched faithfully until episode 5 or 6, lost a little bit of interest when So quit killing everyone (okay that sounds bad, but the vengeance/action angle was too good my friends), and then quit watching around episode 9 and relied on these lovely recaps (and the Drama Fever clips on Youtube) instead. I found myself intrigued by So without the whole romantic angle (yes, I get that it was necessary for his character to stay grounded) and was fine with the Wook/Su ship that was happening in the drama when I was actually interested, but I guess somewhere down the PRE-PRODUCTION process (note the emphasis) the writers were just like eh, screw it. Because how the heck did the lead get written into oblivion in not one, not two, but at least four episodes of his own 20 episode drama???
I found the acting to be excellent; I know IU got some hate, but she was just portraying what she was told to.
I'm currently 25 episodes through the Chinese version, and while the plot is better developed and I like the female lead's character a lot more, I will say that the 4th prince there is no Lee Jun Ki. Overall, this drama started off promising (the shoving-off-of-the-horse part is my absolute favorite), but died without any good explanation (like Woo Hee).

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I am happy with the ending. Eventhough they didn't meet, you will feel that the love lived on and it translated well on screen. In this regard, the love story was indeed epic.

The build up to it in the final episode really lead the emotions well - the love and longing in Su's final days, So's hanging on and faith on Su's loyalty despite the separation then the later resignation, regret from both across time periods, the love child and the undying love.

The drama saved the best for last, emotion-wise. Finally it made me understand Su - why she wanted to leave which was for their child; and why she was always holding back which was because of her being a time traveller - she couldn't love freely because she could just be on borrowed time; was she on a mission, she didn't know.

Despite the misery I'm relieved that Su had Jung and So has Baek Ah in the end. At least they weren't totally alone.

Yes, the road to it was really bumpy and it really could have been better but I'm glad that the ending didn't make me regret all the time, effort and emotions that I invested in the drama. My two-month devotion wasn't wasted, it was was worthwhile :-)

Thank you friends for the company!!! :-)

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+100! <3 ^___^

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And everyone lived miserably ever after, except Jung, maybe.
I am happy with the ending on the whole, but the big hole left in my heart wants So to have a bit of happy ending atleast if they showed him in the current era where he was following/non-creepily stalking/watching over HaeSoo to remember him or their past.

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So the moral of this story is?

Don't time slip to Goryeo era, cause like literally no one in this story either had some semblance of a happy ending or learned some valuable lesson without losing their heads first.

I mean, if there was a silver lining (or even a dingy grunge metal) lining anywhere I think I lost it somewhere.

Anyone see my happy ending? Anyone? Anyone? Clean up aisle 5?!

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Ummm...So and Hae Soo had a healthy, beautiful baby girl? With loving papa Jung to look after her?

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And hopefully the stepmother So and Su's daughter has via Jung's recent marriage, treats her better than Yeonhwa would

(who are we kidding, Yeonhwa would straight-up try to poison the kid or marry her off somewhere really horrible to get rid of her).

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Yes, that kid's life would be in torment if her identity was known, especially if she had to grow up in the palace. There's no way Yeon Hwa wouldn't try to kill her, especially as So is so cold to his son with Yeon Hwa. Hae Soo was smart to keep the baby a secret, and So was wise to let the child go with Jung.

Though I hope Jung quits bringing her to the palace: if So was asking questions about her age, her mother, etc., wouldn't others?

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yeah if Su had remained in the palace long enough to start showing, Yeonhwa would 100% have tried to pull a Lady Oh on her and make her miscarry, she's Queen SMSS mk. II in literally every way now, complete with the bitterness over the fact that he'll never love her and is in love with a dead woman.

And she'd def. take the existence of the child as a personal insult. But I think So could swing a few palace visits without her finding out.

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Oh man, the faults with this show is more glaring than ever with this finale. I get that they were trying to leave with a bittersweet ending,both of them are alone (in emotional sense) in their respective timeline but their love for each other remains and spans across time but i just felt very bitter.
Its like what Su said to Ji mong earlier,i as a viewer only held onto all the misery in hope that there would be a happy. But like Su we were all sorely disappointed. I would even take an ending where modern Su would have no proper recollections of past but then she would meet the reincarnated Soo and would feel the inexplainable connection. Sigh.

The show wanted to give each character closure but strangely it still left so much to be desired.

1.When did Woo hee get pregnant and have a baby and why is the kid in Wook's house as his daughter.

2.Ji mong gets a reincarnation and not Soo,looks like he was meant to be Su's OTL.

3. Dont buy Won feeling remorse for his actions.

4. Su killed his nephews to ward off threats to the throne. Great. Soo's only aim was to want him to turn into a killer murdering his brothers and he moved on to kill his nephews instead. And he is a absent and distant father too boot. Did he learn nothing from how his own parents treated him!

5. Jung is the true hero ultimately in Su's life. He protected and raised her daughter all this time and she looks like she is clearly adored. That girl is freaking cute. I was so afraid Soo would take her to the palace. That damned placed would chew her and throw her out like it did to her mum. Or Yeohwa would probably have her murdered.

6. Those detailed paintings makes no sense! A potrait of her that Baek ah drew or her stone etchings would suffice to show as proof that she did go to past. Who made those paintings! Cant be Baek ah as he wasnt even present in many of those scenes like the snow walk between Wook and Soo.

But despite it all at the end,i really enjoyed this show with all its faults. Had a blast discussing with other beanies here. So long,Moon lovers.

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I think they wanted to go the way that Woo Hae got reincarnated in Wook daughter

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Uh oh. That doesnt make it better. At all. Your past lover reincarnated as your niece. But with this family and incest. Argh!#@!@

The name could be co-incidence but they focused on the (similar?) ornament that Woo hee used to always carry that is why i thought its their secret daughter.Haha.

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One twisted family indeed

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Oh no, she's no secret daughter--she's the niece/niece-in-law that Baek-ah eventually has an affair with. Oh, and a son who becomes Hyeonjong of Goryeo as well.

This incest streak runs strong.

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" Oh no, she’s no secret daughter–she’s the niece/niece-in-law that Baek-ah eventually has an affair with"

Omg my god. That kid is like 3 or 4. And doubly related to him. Please dont tell me thats supposed to be a cute meeting for Baek-ah's happy ending. Argh @##$#!
I know, i know, things were different back then but i just want to get the image out of my head.

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@JoyBells: it is, which is why I'm so grossed out at the way MLSHR wants to paint it as meant-to-be. Because it's not?? It only happened because they were staying next to each other at a temple and she was widowed and they had the hots?? For each other??

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........seriously? I mean, I get this was historical fact but So/Yeonhwa was bad enough, now they're even trying it with a kid? Can't this version just leave out the future incestuous affair for Baek-ah AND MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, SHOW US FUTURE SO AND SU INSTEAD?!

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"And he is a absent and distant father too boot. Did he learn nothing from how his own parents treated him! "

UGH, this is one of the thing I disliked the most from the ending episode.

He can still be cold to YH yet adored his own son. The kid didn't do anything wrong except being born to emotionally twisted parents. And with all his suffering being thrown away by his mother, you'd think he will treat his children more affectionately but instead, he turned into a replica of his monster mother.

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Exactly. At the end of the day what exactly did Soo learn from his experience. He is almost still the same person he was at the begining-loney, trusting no one, no loved ones by his side ,blood-thirsty (evidence by nephew killing) and to add to that he did turned into a replica of his mom (and dad).

And not only is he a terrible father to his son,he even doubts him as a threat to his throne. So add suspision to indifference and neglect. Argh. This is for me too what i hated most about this ending

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In many cases, a child repeats his parent's mistake. I think it is done subconsciously.

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@Midnightwatcher

When you put it like that.....i'm doomed. :(

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@JoyBells,

Per Midnightwatcher: In many cases, a child repeats his parent’s mistake. I think it is done subconsciously.

*tosses JoyBells a life preserver*

The operative word is "subconsciously." If you live your life on autopilot, oblivious to earlier generations' mistakes, you run the risk of repeating them in your own life.

I just want you to know that it doesn't have to be that way. You don't have to wait for the next lifetime to change your behavior or the heart-and-mindset underlying it... Only you know what it is that you desire to change in you life. If it's family of origin stuff, Alice Miller's works (For Your Own Good and Thou Shalt Not Be Aware) gave me a lot of grist for the mill... Maybe a spiritually-based self-help group would help, or counseling. If you happen to have an inborn biochemical quirk, you may be able to learn effective coping strategies... You don't have to do it alone. You would not believe how many other folks are in a similar boat. The details may differ, but we're all bozos on this bus.

To be honest, your mileage may vary. There are no guarantees... But at least opening the can of worms and taking a good look gives you the opportunity to change even a single variable in your life... Just changing one thing can start a cascade of changes that differ from what your life would have been had you done nothing at all.

In my book, enduring the fallout of Goryeo's dysfunctional first family has been worth it just to have this conversation with you. Really. Hang on to the lifeline...

Holly Near & Ronnie Gilbert: "Harriet Tubman" from CD "Lifeline Extended"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6MpN2GfBCQ

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@Pakalanapikake

Thank you so much for your kind words. They made me think a lot about different things; things that are somewhere at the back of my mind,ocassionally nagging.

Really really appreciate you taking the time to write down all this. Lots of love.

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@Kendi
I am not surprised Gyeongjong grew to hate his father. Had Wang So treated his son better and helped him maybe he wouldn't have reversed a lot of his father's policies.

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When you see the scene that present day Soo is approached by present day JiMong and the scene where So said in another world, I will find you,my dear Hae Soo but no sign of him meeting Soo again leave you with thoughts that ... wait,does it mean that So is now reincarnated in JiMong's body? Lol. The ending does not make any sense at all.

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Haha.... what if Soo really did reincarnate into Ji mong's body.

Also what exactly is up with Ji Mong. Was he a time traveller and could transport at his will. Only he seems to have a perfect recollection of the past. One year ago he was a hobo by a lake and now he is a Professor/ Guide?!? Wtf is going on.

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Because Su changed the past. There are no homeless people in Korea now, they are all professors.

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Hahaaaaaa. Heyyyyy you are onto something,that also explains why all those people had clear perfect skin in the final scene. Su and her skin care products and beauty soaps.

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Didn't the 13th prince marry Wook's daughter according to history? I thought the Woo Hee reincarnation was meant to be a nod towards that? For the history buffs? Maybe? Uh, don't ask me to explain this mess of a show.

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Yes, Baek Ah and Wook's daughter have a child that goes on to father the continuous line of Goryeo kings (after Wook's and So's sons die). So that child is who he will marry when she grows up. And she is the reincarnation of Woo Hee.

Baek Ah was always a good guy so he gets to meet up with his reincarnated love almost right away. Wook and So have to pay for their sins with time so won't meet their better halves for more than a thousand years.

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Baek-ah doesn't marry her though! Wook's daughter is a widow of Gyeongjong, and they merely have an affair that ends in him being exiled and her dying in childbirth.

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So Wook's daughter marries So and Yeonhwa's son? And the same daughter has an affair with Baek Ah too after the son dies?
Omg, this family.

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LMAO the incest is strong with this family. I'm just curious though how did their illegitimate son become king if he was illegitimate?

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@blu: Through a coup orchestrated by the general Kang Jo. Empress Cheonchu and her lover Kim Chi-yang were in power then during the reign of her son Mokjong, with Mokjong not having any sons. This was a serious concern for the royal Wang clan, who wanted a Wang to continue the royal line.

There was later a fire at Mokjong's palace, which was construed as being instigated by Kim Chi-yang, in an attempt to usurp the throne for his own. After witnessing the ruins of his palace hall, Mokjong refused to see anyone and ordered his officials Chae Jong-sun and Choi Won to bring Wang Sun (Hyeonjong) back to the palace. Wang Sun had been sent to a temple (he and his dad sure loved temples eh) in his youth because of Empress Cheonchu was wary of him. She sent plenty of assassins after him, and the young prince grew up in a cave.

Anyway, Kang Jo heard of this and immediately marched to Songak with his army, executing Kim Chi-yang and his rebels. His rivals then spread rumours that Kang Jo was about to revolt and take the throne for his own. After hearing of this, Mokjong then planned to kill Kang Jo. However, Kang Jo got wind of this and ordered his subordinates to kill everyone who opposed him, including Mokjong. Kang Jo then installed Wang Sun as Hyeonjong after Mokjong's death.

So yeah, Baek-ah's illegitimate line lives!

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@kumoiwa, you're osam.

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*Chae Chung-sun argh butter fingers

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@kumoiwa omg, thanks so much
how do you know so much about goryeo history?? that's amazing!
the actual history of the Wangs is actually so convoluted that it could be a drama of its own LOL.

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@blu: I get my info from the Goryeo-sa haha. The National Institute of Korean History hosts an online database for it, and I've never been more grateful for digitised documents!

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@Kumoiwa
The drama Iron Empress/Empress Cheonchu was a mess because it portrayed Empress Cheonchu the opposite of what she truly was.

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I keep on refreshing dramabeans, in the hope that I can rant here as soon as possible.
Firstly, I think regardless of how the writer hold on to the Soo's pregnant story until ep 20 to let the viewer know, it is quite a legitimate reason for Soo to leave the palace.
Everybody was confused when Soo leave the palaces looking brokenhearted (isn't it what she wanted?). But, the existence of the baby change all the reasoning. Sure Soo loves So, but she is also afraid of the palace, of how a palace can change somebody into somebody else. Definitely not a place where I want to raise my child. So in this matter, I agree with Soo. For me (as a mother), my child's needs is my first priority.
Secondly, what is it with the similar writing? Can't really get into the logic. Writernim, this is weak writing. You got to be better than this
Thirdly, I am sure Astronomer Choi is a time traveller, by the way he drop hints to Soo. (But why isn't he a homeless man but an educated man instead?)--> the writer seems to forget her own writing. Or is this the doppelganger?
Fourth, with the ending of So saying that he will find Soo in the next world, I am pretty sure that the producer is weighing the possibility of a sequel in modern world. The reason of why they didn't get a reunion in the modern world in the final episode? Because they still wait for the fans' request. If this first series take a hit, they will make a sequel. It all depends on the money.

All in all, LJK makes my heart hurt so good. The path to the top is always lonely. This is true even now. I think this is very realistic. In order to make it to the top, one must sacrifice part of his life.
Wookie, I love you for the earlier episodes, despise you in the middle, but then pity you at the end.
Soo, what can I say? I think the punishment is on now. She will remember for the reminding of her life about her time in Goryeo
Jung poor baby, I hope Soo-So daughter is well raised by you. I think only Jung gets to have his happy ending (although not so happy). At least he gets a part of Soo that he can treasure.
Baek Ah, the wanderer, you are free now. And maybe it's a hint that Wook's daughter is the reincarnation of Wook Hee? Who knows.
Ji Mong, why are you so cruel to even dropping hints to Soo? There is nothing she can do now. Let her live in peace
Yeon Hwa you will get your karma. As long as you live, you will be threaten by the throne, fighting for the throne, but lastly defeated by the throne

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YW's punishment is not receiving So's love. He didn't give 2 f*cks about YW or his son. The morale of story is that everyone who threw someone away for the throne's sake ended up alone and lonely. Heavy is the head who wears the crown.

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Wang So could have at least cared about his son. Especially after everything he went through not having his mother's love. I am not surprised his son grew to hate him.

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Wang So suffered from how his mother treated him, not so much his father.

His son with YH has a mother (YH) who sounds like she treats him very well, and So knows the kid is growing up to be another Yo since he's only under YH influence to be the Crown Prince. No wonder he doesn't care to show much favour to the child, I can see his feeling is that YH got all that she wanted, she has no right to expect more from him. She's trying to use the kid with So in a similar way to how So's mother tried to use him with Taejo.

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Sad and mad. Like Heads said, what's the point of all of the storyline? C version had a hopeful ending if not happy. Don't know what the Kdrama producers were smoking when they decided on this pathetic ending. Seriously? We want our emotional investment/tears back!!!

Even Faith did a better job with the time jump and the OTP had a better ending.

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Yeah Faith as a drama was slow and draggy but they did handle the time travel and ending satisfactorily.

I also found Gu Family Book ending fine with reincarnation and all. But this drama's ending. Just No.

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Wow, I am just forever disappointed in the letter scene. It's suppose to be make you sob your heart out. IT HAD SO MUCH SIGNIFICANCE IN THE SERIES. Kim PD forever fail.

Where's is the famous line of "there's no King in my heart, but the 4th prince who stole my soul away. We love, we miss, everyday I wait for your arrival". Is it so much to ask to include this part Kim PD?????

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Don't forget the box full of her calligraphy of his favorite poem, the hairpin and arrow.. And when the maid told him that she didn't leave him any words because she thought he still resented her and didn't forgive her...

That was one of the highlights and best scene of the original story..

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Seriously that was the best part of the drama/novel, and they dared to leave it out. Ugh.

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To add to that, even if they don't plan to show those remnants in this version (which is a waste to use them in the first place), they left all her stone paintings on display for nothing. None of the princes paid any attention to them though they were right next to the urn and they also came to waste.

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Yeah wtf, I was wondering what they were doing with those stone carvings. Well I guess nothing it seems. I was hoping maybe So would see those paintings, but nope Kim PD either forgot about it or edited it out.

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When the camera zoomed in those stone paintings I was prepared for WS to see or notice them, or anyone to bring them to his notice. But no, WS just refused to look at them.
I'm pretty sure HS was turning in her grave at Kim Kyu-Tae for that. Like, 'Damn I did so many things for him & because of him and you didn't let him see those!!'

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This drama could have been so epic like the counterpart. But no, the last episode was an utter disappointment.

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I didn't even watch the Cdrama but you typing that line out made me tear up just a little.

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Haha, there's more to it than that. But that was the most important part of the letter and they totally didn't include it. :(

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I can see how the letter scene could have been better but I was honestly crying so hard by the time we got to it that wrenching out even more tears was practically overkill.

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My sentiments exactly!! Heart-wrenching letter scene and artifacts scene completely wasted or absent here!! Waited for LJG to deliver these two classic scenes and neither happened!!!

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Seriously LJG did great in the letter scene, but I EXPECTED MORE. Here I was thinking how LJG act out the scene when he goes through Soo's belongings that she got from him, and that never happened!!

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Man such a poor adaptation of such a wonderful and complex source materials. I am so disappointed as a whole with this series. I know it's my fault for comparing it at each point to BBJX, but is it really my fault? Ain't the comparison inevitable? I was so excited for this show with anticipation when it started, especially since LJK starred. I would have never ever thought that it would end up like how it did.

The connect was missing for me in the entire series. Everything was half baked in the show. Continuity and flow was an issue for me for i felt they jumped from one story track to another. Especially when i had to assume people fell in love in 'time-jumps' and nothing concrete in terms of transition of feelings happened. That's just one of the issues. And this is just one of the issues. The complex situations were dealt only at surface level. They never ventured deep. Like So's proclamation of becoming the king or Chae Ryung's arc or Baek Ah's arc or even Revelation of Soo's and Wook's past. Both the build up and aftermath's were underwhelming.

I know time is a constraint. There was a lot of story and to fit it in 20 episodes is a task. Atleast 30 episode would have done it and would have been worth it since it's such an expensive project. Alternatively, if you didn't have the time atleast you could have scripted it better. It's a pre-produced drama! And we don't even have a proper editing for this show.

With all it's flaws i sat through thia drama only for the ending where So and Soo would meet in the present. Looks like show bummed me here. That was the most poignant and beautiful scene for me in the original. It didnt even feel like a typical trope or the easy way out because of the build up - they went through in the past yet couldn't be together. It was a chance fate was giving them. Honestly i can go on on about that scene and overwhelming emotions Ruoxi (and me) felt seeing the 4th in present. Not seeing such a gem of a scene in this version....i feel cheated. I do understand the novel had this tragic end. But was it really difficult for a pre-produced show to shoot and include a scene of their meet in present?
I spent a lot of time anticipating it and imagining LJK in that avatar. But in the end it's not happening.

Moon Lovers : Scarlet Heart Ryeo - you have been a BIG let down.

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I wish I had all the time to actually post exactly what I think of that ending, but it would all be asterisks because I can't have any thoughts about that extended Isoi PPL (AND NO LEE JUN-KI?!!!) at the end that don't involve a string of expletives.

actually, f*@$ it - @$#^@*&#$^#*@#@$%#^&#*@$#&% $%^@*!$^%@&*&#%^!&*&#*!@%^@*(#!$#^%!*& ^!*~!@$*@)@)(@)^&@*(!%$@#@!(*()%*(!%$#@!*&@ (*!($%@!#^!*&!#$&^@(*!$(*&!$#!(*!%$*(!$#~%$~& *~^%!$^~&*%*&~&^%$^&@*&@()!^&!(*)!^%!^%!#^@*&$#^*&*@%^(*)(%$$#@&*(%$!@# !%!

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I watched the raw version of episode 20 and wanted to throw my mouse at my computer! I cried at the end of the episode and realized it was from frustration and sadness at how such a great "potential" drama can go so WRONG! Why did they do this to Lee Jun Ki???!!!

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@pogo

The fact that there are scenes in modern time that Lee Jun Ki himself has filmed and it wasn't included in the end product is a major disappointment and I'm sure Jun Ki feels disappointed too. At the fan meet he really wanted to tell fans what the actual ending was meant to be. The production team should be THANKFUL that he's such a nice guy to not open his mouth! Because if anything this case is so similar to CHEESE IN THE TRAP.

It's disappointing to be do invested into a drama only to have it end like this. T___T

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@kitty I didn't even want a happy ending, I would have been fine with a sad one with some bittersweetness - I was fine with things ending sadly as long as So and Su realised they loved each other, even if that realisation came after death. I could have lived with it if Su had just died and So met their daughter with Jung and realised just whose she was, and realised all he'd lost (heck even Ji-mong left him at the end, presumably to go time travelling). And that's despite the utter nonsense of the reason why Su left in the first place (#@^#$*%@ Chae-ryung, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!)

But the ending as it stands doesn't do anything. What's the point of bringing Su back to the present and having So swear he'll find her across time, if HE REMAINS IN THE PAST?!

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I would have loved it ending with So knowing his daughter as well even if secretly, and showing us how she would inspire him to build a better nation. At least there would be closure for So this way with the daughter compensating for the loss of Su, while Su's misery would end at her death instead of extending into the future once she remembers everything.

My only consolation with the ending is that I finally understood Su and found comfort in knowing So now knew she truly loved him (yes, I'm pro So). Life maybe fleeting but his love wasn't futile. He may or may not meet her in another lifetime but at least he could hold on to that love for the rest of his life in Goryeo, seeing their daughter once in a while (i hope). I would like to believe that eventhough Su's memory brings pain, knowing she did the nation good through her sacrifice would make it worth the misery. That way I am satisfied with how it ended.

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@banini - oh, he definitely realises she's his daughter - his question to Jung about her age was far too pointed for me to think he DOESN'T realise that this is his and Su's daughter (since Su died within about six months of her marriage to Jung - no chance that child is biologically Jung's). And his telling Jung to leave the child with him? So can count backwards nine months, he definitely knows what's up.

What I was saying is, I'd have been fine if they left it there, with So having realised the child is his and also that even though this is the child he so desperately wanted with the love of his life, he can never acknowledge her or even keep her close. That's a bittersweet note to end on, and it would have worked for me.

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@pogo I also meant it that way, I'm sorry I'm not very good at explaining my thoughts. Yes, I knew he was aware. What I meant was that it was better if they lingered on that plot more as an ending, the father-daughter relationship.

Oh man, I still can't move on from this drama. I watched the fist four eps of Sweet Stranger and Me and all I could think about was Lee Jun Gi in Young Kwang's role (I understant the guy should be younger though) and how Lee Soo Hyuk's role gave me MyGirl-LJG vibe. I wish he would do a new drama soon, one with a definite happy ending :-D

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@banini - yeah, now I read your post I got it - it's my fault for not reading properly earlier.

I think, as far as So and Seol (sp?) goes, this is as much of a relationship as So is ever going to get with her - he knows she's out there and being raised with all Jung's love and care, and safely out of Yeon-hwa's reach/palace politics potentially ruining her life. Because, the way things are, there is no way either he or Su could keep her in the palace and ensure her safety - he knows it's best for her to stay with Jung and that's why he overrides his instinct to take custody of her and lets her go.

I'm not over it either. /sigh

(and I really, REALLY want him to be in something good that's also successful. heck I'd even settle for a Kim Eun-sook drama at this point, since I want him to score those ratings so badly!)

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@Kitty Meow - also I don't think Scarlet Heart suffered from the same particular problem as Cheese - unlike Cheese, it didn't start out as one thing and then abruptly become another, it was messy from Day 1 and we all knew it. Plus they weren't trying to pull a lead switcheroo on us (not that they could anyway, Lee Jun-ki's fans would be out for blood if they dared pull that).

but Kim Kyu-tae is for sure joining Lee Yoon-jung (CITT PD) on my shit list of 'PDs who are bloody hacks and whose work I will never watch again'. Though if the rumour that SBS forced a last-minute cutdown of the drama from 30 episodes to 20 is true, that might explain a lot about the weird pacing. That doesn't let KKT off the hook for how poorly this show was put together, though.

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OMG there was a last minute cut down?? THAT WOULD TOTALLY EXPLAIN EVERYTHING.

I rewatched some of the earlier episodes (I'm a WookSoo shipper so I had to do it to save my heart) and despite the weird disjointed editing in the earlier episodes it still had a good understandable flow to it. But the last 5 eps just felt like they were rushed. Oh well. Maybe it's SBS' fault after all. I wish they just chose to release the full length in the international market then :/ At least a portion of the fanbase wouldn't hurt so much.

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Does this mean there are 30 episodes worth of footage out there?????!!!!

*sobs uncontrollably*

If I ever find out the names of those who did this, and manage to meet them in real life, I will happily sit in a jail cell for assault after slapping them silly.

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@crapataa @lilyofthevalley It sounds more like they initially planned and wrote it to be a 30-episoder (or a 24-episoder, I forget which) and then SBS ordered a cutdown before they began filming/during filming. Which still sucks.

Not that I have any confidence in what the drama would have been with more episodes, but maybe it wouldn't have seemed as meandering and then as rushed (damn time jumps).

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Still :( It would've made a whole lot of difference. It makes sense how they had a good idea on who to focus on during the first few parts of the drama (how the WookSoo coupling was slow and deliberate, Eun's crush on Soo had a very detailed build up) and then the second half seemed like the result of a bunch of scenes thrown inside a blender or something (SoSoo couple, and Jung's martyr crush on Soo). And how they had so many different scenes they managed to produce 3 different versions of every episode.

Ugh this episode cut ruined everything :( I absolutely loved the first few eps despite all the criticism sighhhhhhhhh

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But I will give credit for what this episode did right, little as it is - the scene between So, Jung and Baek-ah with Su's urn? That one cut me right open, and it was perfectly played by all three - Ji-soo disappointed me all series long, but him fighting with So over the urn and crying on Bae-ah's shoulder (after So told the urn 'let's go', I think I was actually crying by then) was the first time in the entire series he didn't come across as a petulant brat.

Also, this version actually choosing to have Su give birth to her baby, was a real surprise. As was the scene of So meeting his daughter for the first time, only she's Jung's - I guess it's one of the small positives that they finally got over hating each other?

BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN I FORGIVE THAT ENDING. WTF IS THAT NONSENSE AND WTF WAS THIS PRODUCTION TEAM DRINKING WHEN THEY EDITED THAT. You can't have So promise he'll find her across time AND THEN LEAVE HIM IN GORYEO JUST LIKE THAT. AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON SU RECOVERING HER MEMORIES.

/rant paused for now

One of the few positives I will remember from this drama is Lee Jun-ki, though. I've been a fan for years, but his performance as Wang So was entirely on another level and I dearly hope he gets the recognition he deserves for it. And a better project next time. He's the main reason why, despite my disappointment and now fury at the execution of Scarlet Heart, I don't regret the hours of lost sleep, the frustration of the multiple versions, or picking up this drama even though I predicted literally from the moment it was announced that it would be a disaster (and I desperately hoped I was wrong the minute I heard he'd signed on).

Because this show COULD have been incredible, at its heart the story really is epic and intense and could have been as great a watching experience in Korean as it was in Chinese - done right, this could have gone down as one of those legacy kdramas everyone will remember even in ten years.

The fact that we're still here despite everything the show has done to frustrate us as viewers right from Day 1, says a lot about the appeal of the story at its heart. But I really feel like we got taken for fools at the end, and that's a hard feeling to forgive, particularly with the blatant, intrusive and brain-cell-insulting PPL at the very end - like they were cramming in all the product promotion they couldn't do in a sageuk, to when Su was finally back in the modern world. Which,what the Gu Family Book hell was this.

I suppose in the end, my only hope is that Lee Jun-ki actually gets the recognition he deserves for fighting all the odds that SHOULD have been working in his favour, and delivering a career-best performance despite everything. And despite people's volubly-expressed disappointment (mine included) with Su, I find it hard to blame IU for what Su became at the end - she was hobbled by a combination of terrible writing and worse direction, plus her...

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...plus her own inexperience. I'm still not convinced that a different actress, given the same script and same PD, could have made anything out of this part. And it's sad because I think with an even slightly better script and direction, she could have matched Jun-ki much better, acting-wise - she doesn't need a script/PD to bend over backwards to conceal what she's still lacking as an actress, but she didn't get any help there. Which is sad because I liked her as Su for the most part - she had a natural chemistry with Lee Jun-ki and vibed well with the other princes, and there are flashes of what could have been an excellent performance there (I dare anyone to watch episode 11 or 18 and then tell me she can't act). It's another what-could-have-been of this drama, and that's just sad to me.

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I agree with all of your points, very well said.

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Dear pogo,
Thank you for being there the last 20+ of this mess of a show and also to the end like this. I feel you and I cry with you.
Hugs.

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Also, I'm hugely thankful to Heads for sticking with yet another show that went wtf on us (seriously I'm so sorry, Heads!) and the commenter community I met via this drama.

This drama may have played us for fools, but without it I'd never have met you all or got an impromptu education on things ranging from Tang poetry to Goryeo history and dental hygiene, Marie Antoinette syndrome, Silk Route trade and the millions of other things we ended up reading about because this drama had us so intensely invested in it that we had to know everything about everything that could have been part of it. I'd never have read the incredible analyses that sometimes I swear put more thought and care into their writing than the SHR writers did into some of their plot points. And without everyone here, I'd be feeling a million times worse than I do about what this drama's done to us.

@kumoiwa, @PineappleGongzhu, @cherryarrow, @Barbrey, @Ren, @Kiara, @Jamie, @Evelyn, @pickledplumtree, @silentbeluga, @Puni, @Seltzerwater, @IvoryLight, @RAINY, @Gem, @Maui, @Persian Rose, @Kumi, @JoyBells, @Kay, @endo, @Zoe, @Miranda, @jomo, @Gehrel, @Del (and I KNOW for sure there are people I'm forgetting to name, I'm so sure of it and I apologise) - you guys are the best thing I got out of the experience of watching this drama.

I really hope we'll meet on another drama in the future (but far in the future, because Moon Lovers had basically consumed my life and ruined me for any other dramas well before the ending even raised its ugly head, and I can't see my way back to currently-airing dramaland for at least a few months), and that it'll be a better experience than this.

(I also hope that Lee Jun-ki gets a better drama that's actually successful domestically next time, PLEASE DRAMA GODS)

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Thank you, pogo! It's been a wonderful experience and I enjoyed reading every one of your comments!

I am getting right back on the horse that threw me (and trampled over my heart with its cold, hard, sharp hooves) and immediately starting another show: Shopping King Louis?

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@Jamie the only dramas I would even be in any shape to revisit in a bit are Lee Jun-ki's old ones.

I mean, I love SIG but much as I resent this ending, I just can't fathom watching another drama atm - not a new one anyway. I'd rather go with my rewatch pace which can be four episodes a week or only one every two weeks, it's much easier.

I might also revisit Sassy Go Go. I need a dose of something happy and heartfelt, and I'm feeling rather more goodwill towards Ji-soo in this episode than I did in the 16 that preceded it.

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Will we ever unsee the sideburns? (I actually have grown fond of them. I pray they don't meet in the middle for a chinstrap effect, though.)

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@Jamie - I really wish the drama had developed Su and Jung a little more instead of keeping them as a background development to Eun's crush on Su, but the finale went a long way towards making me actually revise my earlier urges to drown Jung.

(and oh god, those sideburns. Wherever did they get them from?! Is Ji-soo's natural hair super curly or something, because even my curly-haired male cousins do not have sideburns that look like eyebrows!)

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@Jamie/pogo:

LOL chinstrap effect HAH! i've grown fond of the sideburns as well and will miss them.

They really should have developed Jung/soo instead of eun/soo. They had a more compelling backstory and Jisoo is a much better actor than baekhyun (duh). 14th prince was a pretty impt character in the chinese version, i dont know why they chose to reduce his storyline here. and i notice that his scenes tend to get cut out alot too from the sbs version.

i actually have a feeling that the sideburns are jisoo's own ones LOL. i've seen a few of his IG photos when he's not on Moonlovers duty and he has pretty similar looking sideburns as Jung. He does seem to have very naturally thick and wavy/curly hair... but still, i don't know why they grow so funny??? i wonder if it's some extra thing the makeup team did to the sideburns that makes it look kinda unnatural.

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@pogo, @Evelyn:

Aren't all sideburns that coarse, somewhat kinky hair that beards are made out of? Not smooth or silky the way some people's scalp hair can be?

I think most East Asian men can't usually grow a full beard, including the sideburn stuff, and that's usually why in these historical dramas you see the facial hair around the mouth and chin, with those long billy-goat beards. (Somehow Wook and Won managed, in this last episode, though.)

So Evelyn, maybe you're right and it is Ji Soo's own, and he's extraordinarily proud of it?

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@Evelyn @Jamie - if those are Ji-soo's actual sideburns, then I take it all back....... except what were his stylists thinking?! No wonder we and Heads have been sideburn-shaming him for the last what, seven episodes now?

I can't believe we're delving this deep into sideburns. SIDEBURNS!

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@Jamie
East Asian men do tend to have very little facial hair. But yes i think dude's quite proud of his sideburns in real life!

@pogo
lol cause it's the funniest sideburns i've seen in awhile (real or not)! i do think jisoo had pretty bad styling here though. i didnt like any of his hairstyles in later epis. only the ones at the beginning where he wore the hair ribbons and had a little fringe spilling over.

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@Evelyn - yeah, Ji-soo looked all right at first with the hair ribbons (everyone looked better during Hair Ribbon era tbh, I'm glad at least Baek-ah got to keep his till the end because I really missed So's ponytail after he became Gwangjong) but after that it was a mess on a sliding scale between Please Get This Boy Some Conditioner, WTF and Looks Ok, For Once (his cave scene with Soon-deok). I'm not super fond of the updo with a middle part on him, it looks silly but it's a huge improvement over that mop on his head after Taejo died lol.

Poor Ji-soo, he really had terrible styling.

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You know which one I find a complete antidote to this? SKL is fine, and so is JI, but 1% of Something is so old-school, light, but with intense chemistry between leads, and it just helps me - "Shake It Off!"

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@Barbrey I don't think I can watch anything currently in progress/upcoming, it's an investment of anticipation that I just do not have the heart for after this.

It's either completed dramas or movies for me, for a while. I rewatched a few episodes of Producer while SH was on and it went down surprisingly well. Same with My Girl - watched it a LOOOOONG time ago but I still love it on rewatch.

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Thanks for your suggestions, Barbrey! I am currently watching JI, and it has made me laugh hysterically in parts, but it also makes me so deeply uncomfortable on some level with the three leads' behavior--especially that of Na Ri and Hwa Shin (although JJS is doing an incredible job acting him). I'm not sure what to do with it. For me, it's like watching that comedian who got famous in the 1970s and early 1980s, Andy Kaufman: just so uncomfortable, and kinda dirty-feeling afterwards.

I will put 1% of Something in my queue.

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Ahaha, we're way too emotionally invested in this drama!

Personally I'm glad LJG picked MLSHR! If it's not for him we wouldn't have loved it so much. I'm forever impressed with his acting, why is this man so friggin good? #GiveLeeJoonGiADaesang

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@cherryarrow I will never regret for one second that Lee Jun-ki picked this drama...... what I do wish, desperately, is that it lived up to what he gave it, which is everything. We'd have no Wang So without Lee Jun-ki, and that is unacceptable to me.

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I remember in the Scarlet Heart promotional interview Lee Jun Gi said he wanted the younger actors to shine in this drama. Yes they had their moments here and there, but he was still the one who owned it.

I even thought that maybe it was intentional that his character wasn't given proper highlight because he was just part of the show for his hallyu brand, for audience to take the drama seriously, while in fact showcasing the idols foray into acting. If that is the case then they failed, it was still LJG who carried the show, and it brought second wind to his career.

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Thank you Pogo! It's been wonderful reading all the discussions here and your comments, so insightful! One of the things i do first after reading the recap is to search for your comments :D

I still don't know how to get my thoughts out coherently, but well, it's been a long ride and kinda glad it's ended. I've been following LJK's career for awhile already but i think this is the best i've ever seen him in and i'm glad i stuck on with it cause of him. Even if he doesn't get awards for this, i hope this makes him even more recognised in SK and beyond. he totally deserves it.

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lol I loved our discussions too (I remember we had a long one about the younger actors), it's fascinating how the same things could land us with opposite points of view/feelings about something. But like you, I'm glad to be done, it's a relief even if it's not the high/catharsis we all hoped for.

I really can't say it enough, just how glad I am that Lee Jun-ki's actually getting major fan recognition and love across Asia for this. He totally deserves it, even if it's crazy to me that a show so flawed is what's sparking it.

And it's not just Asia, I mean look at us right here - the comment counts were going a bit nuts literally from episode 1, and I scrolled past the 'users currently online' feature to comment just now and it's at 993. which, idk how accurate that is (it was at 914 about an hour ago? and I'm only assuming correlation to the fact that the Moon Lovers finale recap is just up) but it's still crazy. It's not like insanely hyped dramas haven't been recapped on db before, either. This drama got us, and it got us good.

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@pogo: haha, yes i remb that too. and how we both felt our jisoo should stay away from sageuks (i thought he performed really well in this episode though, specially loved the one with baekah and so) and how we were both surprised by nam joohyuk/hjh and how we disliked baekhyun and seohyun lol. I'm glad it's done cause i feel really drained following the past 10 epis or so but am really gonna miss the adrenaline rush on mon/tues/wed waiting for both versions to be uploaded and scrambling to watch a few mins of the drama before i get ready for work lol.

Exactly; i wished he gained his fame through a better quality production, but alas one can't be picky that way. he totally deserves it.

oh yes omgosh, it's got one of the highest comments for a drama post on another site i sometimes follow too (omonatheydidnt) and drama posts there rarely get comments in.

i somehow feel like i need to cleanse my system of all the angst/emotions, cause despite it having so many flaws, this final episode made me cry from almost start to finish. haha. maybe i'll watch reruns of the earlier epis! happier times. dont feel ready to delve into a new drama. lol sounds like some of us are getting over breakups XD

oh and btw what is that drama hangout thing i've seen some people comment on here? is there like a separate forum you have to be invited on or sth? think it'd be nice to continue interacting with everyone over there

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@Evelyn - yeah, Ji-soo really came into his own here once he was allowed to do something substantive in a scene - his sageuk tone is still awful but the technicalities don't matter as much as the emotion, and he's great at that. Him and Jun-ki unleashing on each other after Su's death nearly ruined me, and it also left me with a great deal of regret because look how good he can be if you just give him something to do other than glower and look like an oaf or a petulant teenager (him walking into the throne room with the marriage decree for Su kills me tho, he uses the EXACT same walk as when he was headed into the principal's office in Sassy Go Go).

I'm glad to see some of my faith in him restored, but at the same time it just hammers home how badly served the actors were, if Su wasn't a good enough example. Yes, they're inexperienced, but they had flashes of a lot more potential and the drama didn't let them use it fully.

(and the end of the show and resulting feelings, really does feel like a breakup, not surprising considering how invested it had us)

That hangout is here btw: https://hangouts.google.com/?action=group&key=USeXcGDpVGDKRhuy1&pli=1 you can join straight up, all you need is a gmail account.

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@pogo; i actually didnt even pay attention to his awful sageuk tone at all cause he was just more engaging this epi and was given more to do. i had no idea about him using that similar walk in sassy gogo! (haven't watched it yet) and i was so distracted by his permed wig in that scene lol. exactly! his scene with junki and especially with njh later on when he reveals to him that he loves soo and with crying omg. that's one of the best jisoo scenes i've seen in this entire show.

it really is a testament to the limitations of the directing/writing on the actors' abilities.

it does! i'm actually feeling nostalgic rewatching the older episodes haha.

And thanks! i joined it already =)

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@Evelyn - you know, I didn't even register at first that Ji-soo's sageuk tone was still bad because he sucked me into that scene with LJK and NJH so effectively - it really draws on his strengths as an actor, which are all about the emotion and expression. That was actually the best he's been all series long, and it's a real shame we didn't get to see more out of him sooner.

Also, it looks like Ji-soo knows he fell short of the mark here, judging by his post-drama interviews - he doesn't sound happy with how his performance overall turned out. I will give him points for self-awareness though - he can definitely get better, and he seems determined to at least try.

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It was nice discussing the drama with all of you! I really enjoyed reading up on Goryeo history too haha.

I'm just going to wait for Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok-ju because that loveline with Nam Joo-hyuk/Lee Sung-kyung does not involve incest in any form at all. And cute college hijinks!

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and lmaoooooo, of all the things for us to have to be relieved about re: love lines. I will second that vote for incest-free romance too, even if I don't watch it.

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Thanks pogo! I hope we meet up on another drama too, though I don't think I have the energy to post much on another one so soon. You're a fantastic, thoughtful commentator and I'll miss your posts.

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Thanks pogo! You always had great rebuttals to me :D

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@Barbrey - I'm kind of burnt out myself, so I def. don't think I'll be posting on any new dramas either. You guys will just have to put up with me haunting the Hangout and wailing about everything - with all the associated incoherence and misspellings lol.

@Seltzerwater - trust me, I really appreciate your defence of Su, and I didn't WANT to have to disagree about that - but the way the story presented her just made it impossible at the end. Damn story!

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may our paths collide in another drama - hopefully one that doesn't leave me bald with all the hair pulling or drunk with all the wine drinking

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damn, now the sight of that emoji is choking me up. And here's to better dramas in the future!

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@pogo

Dang, Kay already stole my idea! Oh well, whatever, here it goes:

\^o^/>

I don't think MLSHR would have been half as good without you and the fellow Beanies who did all of the research and submitted thoughtful and thought-provoking commentaries and analyses.

If anything, I will miss this community just as much as the drama itself. The two are inextricably linked in my heart.

After realizing how invested (how screwed!) we all were in this drama, I tried to find something else to take the edge off, knowing MLSHR would end and leave a huge hold in my heart...but nothing seemed to work. Nothing has as much gravitas to win my affections, nothing had enough intelligent levity to pull me out.

What can I say? I fell in love with MLSHR and all of you.

I hope we can continue chatting, debating, commenting, and enjoying these dramas together. <3

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@PG - I will NEVER get tired of looking at that emoji. It's So/Su bat-signal, as far as I'm concerned.

There's something about having people to celebrate/commiserate with that really makes all the difference to certain experiences, and Moon Lovers was definitely one of those experiences (I can't find a worthy distraction either, not so soon). That's the joy of fandom, after all - share the good stuff and soothe each other through the bad. I'll really miss you guys (can't believe I forgot to name @Yoyo up there! Or @YY!), and I hope we'll meet on another drama once the hurt passes and we're ready to start watching dramas again.

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POGO..

Awwww. It was nice sharing insights with you guys. Hopefully in the future LJG drama. We regroup and fangirl again and again and again.

It was part of an awesome experience watching this show. I'll never regret watching this. Flaws and All.

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I hope to god the next drama is better than this, because god knows Lee Jun-ki doesn't deserve that kind of crap luck three dramas in a row. Though yeah, I'll never regret watching this.

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I started the finale expecting a sad ending from what people were saying about the original drama and I was ready for that...

Soo dies and So doesn't make it in time (sad, but ok)

So finds out he has a daughter, but because of Soo's wishes won't recognize her as his own (sad, but I can live with that)

Soo wakes up in her present time with no memory, but living a decent life (I could end the drama there just fine)

Soo remembers everything that happened to her in the past (WHY?!? That's horribly sad!!)

I know some people are saying they could meet in the future, but besides So's words about finding her, we really have no proof that would ever happen. I was ready for a tragic sad ending, but it just left me feeling like wtf.

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The problem with this drama is that they tried to include too much and ran out of room, so they shubbed all these plot points in what felt like an episode.
When this drama started, I wasn't sure if they were going to follow the C-version step by step but as the drama progressed, you could see that they were actively trying to do that...which is fine but because the writers didn't give certain plot points enough screen time, the viewers were left to wonder "why should I care about this random love line or bid for the throne?"
We spent about 7-8 episodes focused on the Wook-Su ship and perhaps 5 episodes on the actual "love line" between So-Su...granted Lee Joon Gi did a phenomenal job in selling me this ship but still what was up with this, I seriously thought it was going to be a Wook-Su ship this whole time.
Also, many of Su's "WTF" actions are written the way the author of the novel presented them, however I feel that we needed more exposition to fully understand her logic in this version. Because like everyone else I'm so confused by Su's lack of anger towards Chae Ryung and misguided view of So for his choice, all I could say is "girl remember this is Goryeo and these punishments are not unusual, especially for a girl that had a hand in almost killing 3 princes (and apparently had no regret about that, seriously?!)."
I'm even more annoyed by this ending, I feel like So deserved more than being heartbroken and left alone for the rest of his life...also, does he know that Jung's child is his? I'm so lost, and why didn't we get this "happy ending" that the writers promised, I feel so cheated!
Well here is to the phenomenal performances of Lee Joon Gi and Wook, and this is not to say that the other actors didn't do a great job, but let's be honest they all barely got more than 3 episodes of storyline.
Is it too bold of me to hope for a season 2? :)

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First of all: thank you db crews for all the recaps. You guys are the best!
Second: i feel cheated. I hoped too much on this drama. Boo.

In my opinion the actors, on set crew and musical crew are all doing really well ( i looveee the funeral song; and lee hayi's song, eventho some netizens said it was not fitting with the era but hajin is a modern girl anyway.)
if i want to blame people who made this into a mess it would be the writer (whom not even the real story creator) and the editor team.
Will i rewatch this drama? Maybe. The sbs version. Just because the one i watched is the s-one/international version.

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Wow. Let's see. I don't know.

I guess yeah to have a lack of concrete understanding as to why Su HAD to leave the palace was uncertain and her surprise (to viewers) pregnancy may alleviate that a little, or just add more "WHY?" kind of feelings.

STILL at this point in time, I feel the most for Wook. His relationship with Su was still the most natural (sorry Lady Hae when you two were still married, but hey they kept their relationship apart for the sake of sake) But what I mean is, I guess I always felt more anticipation when it came to Wook and Su. Will they/won't they? Omg hide that smile Wook before someone sees you! Eeeeeee meeting in secret. There was more worry for that couple - which for a viewer translates into desire (for those two to be together since you're so stressed about it).

In the end, it feels like the show kind of just threw him away. No reaction was given to us when Su died, and they even had his last moment remembering his first wife. Nothing wrong with that but it made his relationship with Su feel kind of tossed aside as nothing. Even though that relationship was the pinnacle for Su ending up where she did.

So on the other hand is a great character don't get me wrong. But bringing up past arguments: he and Wook essentially had the same motives behind becoming King. They went about in a tiiiiiny bit different way - again both driven by Su so its really her fault right? Anyways, I just don't and probably never will like the fact that So always CLAIMED Su like a toy doll. Then he was able to let her go after finding about her PAST feelings for Wook (he claims she let him go but I mean same difference amirite?). If he felt so strongly then why let her leave? Because he actually respects her wishes? Or wants to be sad on his own again.

Either way, I still really respect the character of So and Lee JoongKi pretty much made the show (and Kang Haneul), but his actions and presented character didn't always add up to me. He killed his nephews, c'mon man. I know Su said don't kill your brothers, but you killed the sons of your brothers?

I wish we also so more of Yeonghwa at the end. Out of all the characters she is still one I actually truly like, despite everything she did. I liked how she strived for something and got it - despite what that all entailed. To me she was a much more interesting character than Su who started out super strong and then became a sulking, occasionally smiling, shocked wide-eyed, single tear dropping girl. And I LOVE IU btw.

FUN FACT! King Gwangjong died the same day as his father King Taejo, July 4. Another FUN FACT! The fifth king was So and Yeonghwa's son. The sixth king was Wook's son. Not only were the fifth and sixth kings cousins, but they were also brothers in law - Wook's daughter married So and Yeonhwa's son who was king. So essentially when the fifth king died, the one who took his place was his 75% brother? Man so much family...

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I have no words to express my thoughts... all I want to say is it could have been EPIC!
wasn't expecting a shitty ending like this! Even LJKs jawline couldn't save this ending! and thats sayin alot.
BTW thanks a bunch Heads for your spot on recaps and thoughtout analysis for each and every episode!

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this show really ripped my heart out of my chest and stomped on it when So realised that the little girl was his daughter but he had to turn around and walk away, leaving her in Jung's care because he realised that Soo is right and that there is no way he can ever fully protect her in the palace.

It was so heartrending especially when the girl was clinging onto Jung and calling him father... So had already never enjoyed the mother's love that Queen SMS lavished on Jung and now he has to endure the fact that his daughter (that child that he had so badly wanted with the love of his love) is so affectionate with Jung - who, by the way, in a cruel almost tit-for-tat though unintentional twist (when So stopped Jung from seeing their mother at her deathbed), was the person who got to hold Su while she breathed her last...

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Wow good recall on the parallels between Jung not being at his mothers death bad because of So and So not being at Soo's deathbed because of Jung. I wonder if it was purposeful foreshadowing.

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Whoa, glad you mentioned that twist! I didn't realized it when it was happening.

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Well he does have a son with Yeohwa with him. He could treat that kid properly and from Yeohwa's rant looks like he is distant and absent father. Yeohwa maybe be spiteful but that child is his too.
Soo truely learnt nothing. He had a miserable childhood yearning for love from his parents and that caused a huge emotional scar. And now he is the same dad to the kid like his dad was to him. Cold,distant and absent.

Im so glad that Soo didnt take in the adorable kid when he realized its his daughter. The palace will chew her and throw her out like it did to her mum. She wouldnt even have a proper status and legitamacy as they were never married.
Jung on the other hand clearly adores her. He gave her legitimacy, protection and love.
Jung is the real hero in Su's life among all the brothers. Su would be so grateful for all he did for her and her daughter.

Also now tha i think,its sucks for big time for modern day Su. Its one thing to leave behind the love of your life but a living breathing child. Sigh.

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@JoyBells: I know right, being a parent myself, I can totally feel the pain (though the show didn't seem to dwell much on Su's feelings for the child, other than her wish for the child to not be brought into the palace).

But this is also why I also feel So's pain even more acutely as he only found out about the child so late in the game (and the child had obviously bonded so well with Jung). And this was a child that he wanted so very badly...

In a way, I wished the show had been a little kinder to So in allowing for his daughter to be raised by Baek Ah instead... (yes, I'm an unapologetic Wang So fan)

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Another Wang So fan here. Haha. Baek-ah is unmarried too so again the question of legitamacy if he raises the child. And with Su's decision for Jung to protect and raise the child shows how much she ultimately trusted Jung to do it right. Here i completely understand her decision,he is far away from the palace (because of the exile) and the child would grow away from all the toxicitu of the place,and Yeohwa and her murderous ways isnt going to help if she learns its Su's daughter.Baek Ah still hangs around the palace,so no go.
But for what its worth, Soo lifted Jungs exile in the end so the daughter and he will probably visit the palace more frequently now ans Soo will get to see her. Yes its not the same as Soo raising her himself but atleast its something.

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Exactly. Wang So learned nothing. It was very wrong of him to treat his son that way.

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I really don't think so though. He just doesnt trust Yeonwha which is why he doesnt trust his son with her as well. To be fair, what he didnt receive is his mother's love. In this aspect, Yeonwha is like Queen Yoo and her son will obviously grow up like Yo which is why he treats them poorly. Ever remember how Yo planned to kill his own dad just for the throne? lols

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"...Jung – who, by the way, in a cruel almost tit-for-tat though unintentional twist (when So stopped Jung from seeing their mother at her deathbed), was the person who got to hold Su while she breathed her last…"

Great catch, darkheart, and thank you for sharing! That is a beautiful piece of parallelism from the show.

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@Jamie: beautiful in a way but yet so very cruel to Wang So. I guess they really wanted to highlight the "you can only have the throne at the expense of everything you wanted and everyone you love" point

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So had already never enjoyed the mother’s love that Queen SMS lavished on Jung and now he has to endure the fact that his daughter (that child that he had so badly wanted with the love of his love) is so affectionate with Jung – who, by the way, in a cruel almost tit-for-tat though unintentional twist (when So stopped Jung from seeing their mother at her deathbed), was the person who got to hold Su while she breathed her last…

WOW that is an absolutely stunning parallel there. What a painful symmetry that was. Though I'm glad the two brothers at least aren't at each other's throats anymore, by the end.

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@pogo: too painful for me, i really wished they had somehow made it such that HS's dying wish was for Baek Ah to take care of her daughter instead

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That would never have worked, Baek-ah is unmarried and can't offer her the legitimacy/protection as a dad that Jung can. The fact that Jung was married to Su counts for everything when it comes to the child's prospects as well as her protection.

(and I like that it's So's last surviving full brother who has custody of his daughter - I've said it before, but Jung and So are more alike than they realise. And it's the next best thing to having So himself for her dad, he's technically the child's uncle after all)

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Great observation! I think that one thing this show did do well was the parallels. It really brought the karma message home when So didn't get to see Soo before she died. But I was just glad that Jung could be there with her in her final moments and his love for her was beautiful to watch, though heartbreaking.

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In the chinese version, no one can have the same handwriting as the King, otherwise it becomes treason. So I'm assuming it's the same in the k version. Because So loves Su so much, she practiced writing in order to became identical So's. That is the reason why Jung couldn't send him the envelope with her handwriting.

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Also apparently the SBS version left a scene with Wook and Queen Sinjeong out, which is weird because it says a lot. It goes like this:

Wook: I do not understand why you are insisting on bringing my children into the palace, Mother.
QS: It took so much before His Majesty agreed to let the children into the palace for Prince Ju's (future Gyeongjong) birthday and to be his playmates. So hurry and pack their bags, and explain things to your wife.
Wook: I do not wish to.... send my children into the palace. If I die, the children will be freed from exile.
QS: No. Your children will need to be familiar with the palace. I will make your child Chi (future Seongjong) king."
Wook: "What?
QS: "You could not fulfil my dreams for me, and Yeon-hwa betrayed them. But I have not given up yet."
(Wook staggers)

So the palace intrigue never ends, eh.

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Fuck, didn't manage to clear out all of my quotation marks. Ugh this is what MLSHR does to you because iuhhgjkeyu2478289tfhjekwd.

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Yes, this is the version I saw, too. That woman never quits! I actually felt sorry for Wook in that scene.

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Those sideburns...man, who thought that was a good idea?

Not sure what else to say. Expectation were high and they weren't be met. I was hoping that the ending would provide a bit of redemption because I wasn't satisfied with the ending for BBJX but disappointingly it did not. With that ending were they expecting to make a sequel? Not with those ratings.

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This was one of the netizen comments:

6. [+75, -1] If it's true that Lee Jun Ki had a scene in the present time wearing a suit and all and the producers edited it out, what were they thinking? They even edited out some other scenes in the Korean broadcast despite keeping it in the Chinese broadcast.

So even with preproduced, they did so poorly. Does this remind you of CHEESE IN THE TRAP?? The production team should be THANKFUL to god that Lee Jun Ki is such a nice guy to not open up about what goes behind scene. I'm sure he is frustrated as we are with the end product and that fact that they cut off scenes (I'm sure many scenes of So) that he filmed and hoping for it the be aired.

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I was actually really satisfied with this episode. I was thinking I would hate it because I hated bbjx's ending however I think it came down to me not ever really having any expectation for the finale but for it to end badly. I am ok with Soo not finding So in the present because I think I am completely fine with her having to live with that. I guess I don't really care for her very much. So ended up being a great king and I am happy with that, plus he's LJK and I can't help but love him and I will take any emotion he emotes even if it's painful for his character, he just looks so good all the time. I think another part of me was happy that Soo would be able to live a relatively normal life in the present time after it all. I think that is what pained me so much about Rouxi. I hated that she had to live with all that pain, she made it so obvious that living in her original present time was like torture. They made it way too easy with the dream aspect of it all for Soo. We only had a tiny glimpse of that pain and it seemed pretty evident she would get over it..so I didn't have to worry about her. Anyway I am glad they deviated with the baby. That makes So's situation a little better..tho he may never be able to call her his daughter at least he knows she exists and can see her when she visits..a little piece of his and Soo's love. :)

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i have so much to rant. the good stuff first
1. i liked the hug between jung and baekah. it was a sad scene but i just liked watching jung and baek ah, they remind me of younger pair of woobin-jongseok lol
2. So's daughter is so cute
3. I cried. i said i cried as being a good thing because an episode finally made me sort of feel for the characters, which i havent for the last 19 eps. MAybe its the Lee jun ki effect. he looked so devastated. omg sobs

The bad stuff...
1. i didnt like the way ji mong chuckled when he left So. it sounded like he was mocking an already sad and lonely So. like WTF, if you wanna go, just go. i feel like he was the most useless astronomer ever. like if you could see the future, you could at least put out some useful advice but all you did was to tell everyone which star you are under.. but maybe its just me who doesnt like to trust fate
2. what was the point of showing us wook's daughter, who did he end up marrying?? was it just so that baek-ah could have a flashback like everyone else?
3. and was jimong THE ONE all along? why did Su meet HIM in the future and NOT SO?? WHY????? how is SO gonna FIND SU like he said?? why you leave us hanging there show??? ugh
4. the Won prince, his punishment was way too late. and i dont think he liked chae ryung one bit other than realised she liked him
5. maybe lee jun ki should go back to acting in a drama where he is a 21st century man. no more sageuks pls.
they say too much of one thing is bad. and for LJK, too much sagueks is bad (dont even remind me of how silly Scholar's ending of killing Gwi was)

oh well, this show wasnt all that bad, if not for the amateur directing and some pointless deaths of characters.... and maybe future sageuks should all use fictional characters, instead of adapting for an actual history

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2. what was the point of showing us wook’s daughter, who did he end up marrying?? was it just so that baek-ah could have a flashback like everyone else?

Oh, they were just setting up the scene for Baek-ah and his future affair with the girl. Yeah the six year girl to his at least twenty-two year old self. Gotta love the romanticisation of incest!

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I'm so not here for the incest plus it's kind of insane how Baek-ah's first and last loves are both from Wook's family (Lady Hae and now...... the kid? In the future?).

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Thank you HeadsNo2 for recapping Moon Lovers Scarlet Heart Ryeo. Much appreciation to you for your prompt recaps. MLSHR — talk about a textbook case for woulda, shoulda, coulda and wouldna, couldna, shouldna if there ever was one! Just thinking about the initial excitement and beauty of the drama posters vs. the final product...How in the world?????

Through the tears and the pain, through the heartache and the rain, through the good (memorable performances and images of Court Lady Oh, Madam Hae/Wang Wook/Hae-Soo and the snow scene cinematography, So performing the rain ritual gradually fading into/superimposed as the image of King Gwangjong, etc.) with the bad and even weary episodes...watching Lee Jun-Ki, Kang Ha-Neul, and IU on screen these past Monday and Tuesday nights...was arresting and a must see for me.

Sadly, I walk away with a love hate relationship for the show. Lamenting over the failures (editing, directing, writing, lack of narrative focus and plot alignment with the episode count, not taking advantage of pre-production, etc.) potential this drama had for epicness. I held out hope for 20 episodes. I desperately wanted better for you show.

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I am mad i am beyond mad. I refuse to watch the last episodes. I have just wasted weeks,hours of my life for what. That BS they called a ending ???. First cheese in the trap now this. I want to scream so bad. ????

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Why did Jung address the letters? Will the king get confused seeing his own writing? 'Head scratch'
So much guilt to go around.
If So lopped of all nephews, do only his son and nieces live on? What are chances YeoHwa did the deed. Coz from So's expressions he gives a rat's a$&&.
What happened to So's first wife, the tiny niece he married? No a big story point but YeoHwa would definitely see her and any of her offspring as a bigger competition.
After HaeSoo wakes up in this era, i counted about 12-14mintues and hoped for some closure in the present. For some damn reason i had to sit and watch through so extremely useless, no point, hair ripping scenes.
Did no one point the writer in the expected outcry from us?
Every where anyone remotely related to show goes, fans will surely as why. As politely as not trying to sound deranged.

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I think the reason Jung changed the writing is because it was treason to have the same handwriting or for your handwriting to look the same as the king's. It was like that in the original and if it's in this version, presumably there were similar laws in Goryeo also.

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Yeah, I think so too. Also, if So is to die then, and a decree appears abdicating the throne to Jung for example, they will doubt it especially since both So and Soo have the same handwriting. Jung is probably thinking that they will find it strange that his wife's writing is the same with the king and can frame her for it.

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Historically, Princess Gyeonghwagung marries So however they do not have any children.

He only has 5 children with Yeonghwa - 2 boys (one of which dies, and the other - Wang Ju - becomes 5th King) and 3 girls

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Wow, they got so many kids? He must have favored her a lot in real life.

I know it's only matter of interpretation but sometimes I wonder if dramas do disservices to real life historical character by reducing them into villains in favor of fictional candy character.

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It could have gone both ways tbh, I mean Taejo has three kids with Queen SMSS even though he doesn't favour her at all.

And of So and Yeonhwa's progeny ....it's easy to see how they could loathe each other and still have five kids if they were focused on securing the line of succession and were trying for an heir and a spare (three of the lot were girls)

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So Hae Su and So's happy ending is a FLASHBACK?! How can you end a drama like that? I really don't understand how they had so much time to produce and film Scarlet Heart and it ended up so mediocre (some might argue baddd). And on top of that, there's already TWO pre-existing source material for this story. So it's not like they had to make everything from scratch.
---The story started off strong, intriguing. It was about a cast away prince and a girl lost in a different time. But somehow with the inclusion of too many princes, awful acting (I'm looking at u Woo hee), questionable camera choices (I can handle super close ups, but ZOOMING IN was not ok with me?--it felt cheap and amateur) and so many more bad choices, the drama couldn't live up to it's potential. That fact is so sad because under all those problem, there IS a good story and on top of that they had LEE JUN KI. Come on! The man became So for u and u gave him a mess of a world to act in! SHAME on u, shame on your whole family (on a lighter note, anyone know where that line came from??).
----Honestly, this last episode was just awful. I was just asking myself "why" through out the episode. 1.If So the king has so much time to stalk Su at her house, why couldn't he just walk a few feet to look at what she was painting (him). Then maybe we would've gotten a better ending? 2. So random that Wook named his daughter Bok Soon. And why was that even a scene in this episode? 3. After not mentioning his late wife for 12+ episodes, why ,Wook, would you have a flashback of her? 4. Why would So ostracize his own son when he hated that his own mother treated him in that way. 5. Why oh why Jung would u feel the need to change the envelope. WHY?! 5. And the biggest WTH to me is "was it only just a dream~~ ...?" ... .. ... .. wait was it really?

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[flame-suit on] All I read of this recap was the into and conclusion, but they made me happy -- happy I dropped the show after 1 episode. I feel like I gained 50 IQ points today.

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Ha, I actually enjoyed it with all its flaws, and am happy I watched it. It gave me all kinds of things to think about, and gorgeous costumes/sets to feast my eyes on. Kindly deduct 50 points from my IQ!

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" I feel like i gained 50 IQ points today"

Uhmmm..How?! ?With this kind of statement I bet you're just here to annoy. Save your time and just watch the drama that you love.

This drama has its flaws. But i'll never regret watching this.

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I noticed several folks who left similar comments.

They only watched one or some episodes but still keep posting here how much the show sucks etc etc

I think they're just being trolls. Because if you already stopped watching the show, why do you even bother reading recaps or going to forums to talk about a show you don't like?

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I understand them reading the recap and maybe commenting about things they didn't understand out of curiousity. But ranting, bashing and hating a show they don't watch is something I'm not getting. Why waste energy on something you do not like, right?

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I guess I'll just pretend that this ended in episode 11 (while remembering the only worthwhile scenes from the later episodes: the lead couple's cute first actual kiss and Eun's death). The romance failed me in this version so much that I wished they focused instead on the politics. It would have been interesting to see a proper handling of the changes in kings instead of making them all go crazy and conveniently drop dead. The comments from past recaps talking about Wang Gyu makes me wish that they showed more of him too. And they really did a disservice to Gwangjong. I loved Wang So's character (my favorite in this show), but they didn't show him to be a strong and brilliant king at all. In an attempt to make Soo leave him like in the Chinese version, they had to make him unhinged as soon as he sat on the throne when Gwangjong's ruthlessness only showed later on. Heck I wanted to see more of the other clans like the Shingju Kang clan. What a waste of Kang Haneul too. Reduced to a terrible villain and had so little screen time in the second half that he may have been a cameo. I wanted to see a good rivalry between him and So.

Lee Junki, please be in a proper sageuk by truly good sageuk writers in the future. I need you in a proper sageuk to cleanse me from the terrible aftertaste of this drama. If not a sageuk, I want to see you in a modern drama by the director of Misaeng and Signal. Kang Haneul, please get a lead role soon.

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And thanks, Heads. Your recaps gave me the levity I needed from this rage-inducing drama.

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"What a waste of Kang Haneul too."

I KNOOOOW. KHN was my favorite from this drama. (Not saying anything about LJG, the guy's spectacular too, just personal preference.) He had so much potential and so did his character--one of the more fleshed out ones really, given that we focused on his life and his family and his love story earlier on in the series. KHN tried his best and we could see that, but the little screen time just didn't give him that much opportunity.

I mean that last scene from ep 19 as he said goodbye to HS, where he just paused. HE FREAKIN PAUSED. and I felt all the frustration WW carried throughout the years he had on team evil. So much potential wasted on so many scenes on the evil broody chair of doom in that stupid unventilated library.

Oh well. Off to the actors' next dramas.

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Ugh I wish they'd made Wang Gyu complicit in Yo's usurpation plot instead of a complete scapegoat. The conspiracy could have been epic! Well planned! Not limited to fifty people storming Damiwon! Yo could have been legitimate! Just like history!

BUT NO.

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seriously i cried furiously through the episode and that jung sideburns grow beyond imagination, its getting longer than ever xD

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since it was done early this year' the producers have enough time to show it to test audiences to see which works or not. The actors, the budget' the scenery, the book where it was based from were all there but they lost the chance to make a really epic historical love story. I admit I enjoyed the drama but it could have been more. Much, much more.

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This drama was way to melo for my liking, but if the plot had some sense I would accepted the suffering, pain and the sad ending, but we were robbed of seeing our main couple fall in love in a flow that made it sense, I will continue saying that the downfall of this drama was weak script adaptation, editing and some acting buy a few. Read that LJK did filmed scene in the present, and even saw a few pics on IG that shows in a suit and possible driving a super sport car as the car is on the pic. If they filmed this scene why director thought that the ending we officially got was better than hint the possibility of our main couple meet again in the present. Read there is a possibility for a video to be released with this extra scene but who knows.

After this way to sad drama now I need something light and funny.

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Can I just say though, in spite of the drama being rather disappointing, it's been a lot of fun spending all my Mondays and Tuesdays with all of you on this forum. The smart comments, the unending jokes, the wit, the love and yes, even the anger and frustration. Never met any of you guys but I love that we shared so much for 20 episodes. This community really has warmed my little marshmallow heart.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go bang my head against the wall until I fall unconscious because WHAT THE HELL was that last episode?

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I bawled my eyes out so much this episode.

I think I believed HS's love for WS most in this episode. The moment she got out of the palace and she remembered WS as he extended his hand out to her? I was a goner. I was such a WookSoo stan too. When she was imagining her being with him, saying that she could love him as much as she wants now, my god my tears wouldn't stop.

It captured the fact that she really just couldnt be with him the way she wanted to be in the palace, where she was always at the mercy of court rules. Sure she could enter some of the rooms /sometimes/, but as shown in the scene where WS saved her from the late Queen Mother and left her out of his room, she doesn't have all the access she would've had if they had just been a couple out of the palace.

I was a bit disappointed with Wook's Lady Hae flashback, because I honestly believed he loved Soo most of all, and didn't we already get past the I-truly-loved-Lady-Hae-after-all conflict after she died? Just because a new love came along doesn't mean we have to discount the earlier one. Sigh.

Also regarding the paintings scene, that was prolly due to JiMong's mystic powers more than anything. Because as we've seen time and time again in this show, the guy is freakin' powerful. After a whole year of just dreams, it was the interaction with him that prompted her to have these auditory flashbacks to her life in Goryeo. That Hae-Go comment tho. My heart. I'm not okay. She'll always be more Hae Soo than Go Hajin to me.

Lastly, I'd like to say that despite the drama as a whole, the cast was spectacular. Esp IU and LJG and KHN. More than the lousy editing and the disjointed narrative, you made these characters come to life. (IU doesnt deserve the shit she got from all those anti-fans.) Thank you so much for all the emotions in your eyes and in your very zoomed-in faces. I wouldn't have zoomed in on anyone else :) ***Well the director would have, but I would've closed my eyes is the point.

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Thanks for the recaps, Heads!

I agree with other comments that Su's pregnancy was a catalyst for prompting her to leave the Palace, ASAP, on top of her long-forgotten desire to leave the place even before being pregnant; the Palace is indeed too toxic of a place for her daughter to have grown up in T.T But... but... So can only ever see his little princess during her visits to the Palace with Jung T.T
Su's over-arching fear of her loved ones living a lonely life and dying a lonely death all came to fruition in this finale in all of those who outlived her but would have rather died alongside her, which include Jung, and especially So. In Wook's final moments, having his thoughts float back to Lady Hae goes to show whom he really had in his heart all this time (but it doesn't help to justify all the crap he still put Su in-- nope, not in my books). Yet, I feel that she would have chose to leave the Palace, still, if she were given another chance to choose, because she ultimately made the final decision with her daughter in mind and not So. Yet, I feel that she was able to make that up by having Jung bring her letters to So after she left the Palace; So was just too heartbroken to see any of it until it was too late. It's a natural reaction for So to be so upset at Su for leaving the Palace and--what seems to be at face value-- leaving So, because So doesn't know life and love outside of Su, she was the one who showed him what affection was. She was his life, his present and future, but she took that away from him when she left the Palace. Which brings me to the answer to Heads question as to why Su's writing looks so much like So's: Remember when he was sent away and to pass time, she would copy and re-copy the poem that he wrote for her? Not only did she copy it, she copied it RIGHT ON TOP of his original one, as if she was tracing his writing and learning the ways he would write and do calligraphy, and in the latter parts of their time spent together, they were always in his study-- he would look over documents, while she practiced calligraphy and, once again, made even more copies of his poem to her =,((
I've said it before and I'll say it one last time: I don't feel anything for Yeon Hwa-- she chose the life that she wanted, but is being petty about the results when it's not in her favour i.e. not feeling loved by So, whether it be herself or their son--- too bad, so sad, girl.
Ugh, time and time again Lee Ji Eun (IU) and Lee Jun Ki continue to SHINE in their roles as Su/Ha Jin and So. I cried when Su/So cried, and I bawled my eyes out alongside Ha Jin when she was crying and sobbing in the museum.... which had 'pictures/portraits of moments no one would ever think of painting'-- well, it's because the Royal Family had a royal painter/artist that WOULD ACTUALLY follow them around in their day to day and would actually paint their moments-- just sayin', if anyone's asking... the Chinese Royals had one in all...

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(continued from above)
... the Chinese Royals had one (a royal artist/painter) in all eras/dynasties...

The drama as a whole did have it's flaws, but what drama doesn't?? I'm just so disappointed and sad that so much focus was placed onto said flaws and that it was such a prominent part of the commenting (and even the recapping) process all throughout the run of the drama T......T

"Moon Lovers" will always definitely have a soft spot in my heart, even if it isn't one of my all-time favourite dramas. What I appreciated the most of "Moon Lovers" is the emotional depth and understanding that comes from our leads, and especially the changes that happened in them because of each other.... That is when you know you have a good set of characters: when they all inflict some sort of change and arc in each other

My utmost respect to Lee Ji Eun (IU) as an idol-turned-actress, and my respect and love for Lee Jun Ki continues to grow even more after "Moon Lovers" even when I thought that my love for him could not grow anymore <3 <3 <3 Seriously, if anyone has not started following and looking at the posts of Lee Jun Ki's instagram, GO DO IT. NOW. He is such a kind person and such a sweetheart <3

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" well, it’s because the Royal Family had a royal painter/artist that WOULD ACTUALLY follow them around in their day to day and would actually paint their moments– just sayin’, if anyone’s asking… the Chinese Royals had one in all…"

Sorry but i have to disagree with you here as it still doesnt make complete sense.
For the paintings like where Hae Su bowed to King Taejo or when the princes performed the dance at the ceremony,okay it makes sense for a royal painter to be hanging around observing.

But what about that Wook and Su's romantic walk in the snow moment. Dont tell me a royal painter was sleathily following around a prince and a random girl from his household. Now i have an image of the beautiful scene with Wook and Su's romantic moment and as the camera pans out,a beared vetaran painter walking few paces behind them an furiously scribbling away. Not so intimate moment after all.

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lol It's weird and it doesn't make sense, but it's true... that's history for ya

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Only the emperor ever had a painter for himself. Everyone else did not, and if they had a portrait painted it was per his orders only. Soooo I don't think a painter would have been able to follow them around like that. These are intensely private moments, and MLSHR sucks if they think they're going to coast by like that.

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well, it’s because the Royal Family had a royal painter/artist that WOULD ACTUALLY follow them around in their day to day and would actually paint their moments

Lulz, I'm imagining a secret ninja painter in paparazzi mode stalking all the Royals everywhere they go.

But no, I'm pretty sure those "paintings" are Soo's memories, not actual paintings. Why would a painter paint them in such a private moment...

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The paintings could be Baek Ah's. It's more logical thay way. Though he wasn't actually in some of the events but he may have heard about them. He drew well, right? At least better him than paparazzis.

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I don’t feel anything for Yeon Hwa– she chose the life that she wanted, but is being petty about the results when it’s not in her favour

My feelings exactly - I admire her ruthlessness, but I have no sympathy for her bitching at So for not loving her/loving Su, or for having no affection for their son. She walked into this with eyes wide open and got exactly the result she wanted, she doesn't get to whine about how it isn't exactly the way she wants it. Your son is the Crown Prince, lady, now stfu.

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Maybe Yeon Hwa was hoping that So would have a little concern for their son, if not for her. So himself was abandoned by his family, he should know how it felt. Before she went full villain Yeon Hwa was pro-family, she is somewhat a gray character. She received her mother's, brother's and even father's affection growing up so she kinda expected that for her son too even to a lesser degree, given that he was just a kid. That made her realize how ruthless So can be to those he considered as enemy, not sparing even a child, his son at that - which YH knew Su wouldn't approve of had she been alive.

Can't blame So, since that son can be used against him whether he loved him or not given his very ambitious mother and grandmother. Still I'm sad for the kid and dissapointed with So in that regard.

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@Banini
I get that but Wang So could have at least cared about his son and went to his birthday party. His son feared him. Wang So was wrong.

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Yes, so wrong. Being a king really made them less of a father. No wonder children in Taejo's family grew up killing each other.

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@Banini
True.

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Yeah, I cant blame So too. I mean look at what happened to Yo. He obviously received their mother (Queen Yoo)'s love too. And his mother just happened to be another Yeonwha. How can So sympathize with his son when he is receiving so much love from someone as ambitious as Yeonwha and when he witness how Yo planned to take over the throne even if it means killing his father (the King)?

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@Bebeswtz
Wang So could have at least cared about his son.

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He could have, if the kid hadn't been conceived as a living breathing power play for Yeonhwa.

Basically, being king doesn't make you a good candidate for Dad of the Year, especially to sons. Taejo even says he loved Mu best because Mu was his before he became king, but he did care for So - albeit in rather indirect ways.

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@Pogo
True but his son was solely influenced by Yeonhwa and her family. Gyeongjong reversed many of his father's policies. One could only imagine how things would have turned out if Wang So influenced and helped his son instead making him hate and fear him.

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his son was solely influenced by Yeonhwa and her family

It's a bit chicken-and-egg there. I mean, even So's brothers were mostly influenced by their maternal families and not Taejo (barring Mu, whose mother appears to be absent/dead and has a lot more direct contact with Taejo).

It's not hard to see why So would see a child raised by Yeonhwa as a pawn in the game, because that's literally how his mother raised Yo and how Queen Sinjeong raised Wook and Yeonhwa, and Taejo could do nothing about that.

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The past queens were really weird. Queen Yoo wanted a son to be king, but it couldn't be So; Queen Sinjeong (intl ver) was intent on grooming Wook's son to be king, eventhough Yon Hwa's son the crown prince was her grandchild too. I understand that there was indifference going on but on the basic premise of having your bloodline on the throne these in-fighting could be prevented if they try to get along. Oh well, the throne really is complicated.

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I wanted to write my feelings on the show but everyone has already mentioned everything that I could possibly say. The ending left much to be desired, there was so much suffering with barely any payoff and a lot of wasted potential.

Though I do have to comment on how ADORABLE So and Soo's daughter was omg she really resembles the two of them! Lee Jun Gi and Jisoo posted photos of themselves with the little actress who played the daughter and my heart melted (especially the one of her and Jun Gi), it was so cute!

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Also, a very informative user on the first page mentioned that the two primary characters in the Chinese version got married in real life? Wow, if that isn't indication of how amazing the love story was, I don't know what is. That's so romantic, it's sad how the Korean version didn't have the same believability.

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@orchidsoleil

Yeah they got married. And the actress who played Wook's wife/Soo's sister in the Chinese version was one of the bridesmaids.

And they also incorporated the mongolia motiff in their wedding card (mangolia flowers apparently has special significance to their love in the Chinese Version). And most of the cast went to their wedding reception in Bali.

When the actor first announced their wedding in SNS,the comments from the cast members were so sweet:
The actor who played the Emperor (King Taejo's role in the C -version) said something like-Oh you two got married,didnt even call me to officiate. Haha.

And the 14th prince said- At last you did go to the 4th prince. Lol.

The wedding and everything was a dream come true for drama fans. : D

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I am an actual puddle of goo right now, after reading this.

I can't believe THIS is what the Korean version managed to muck up so badly.

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If LJG and IU ever gets married in the future (I know IU has a bf, but who knows what will happen in the future right??), Tonghua will be the official matchmaker God.

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Adorable story, isnt it. :D

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Those were etchings?

I spent a good portion of this last episode wondering why Hae Soo was painting on rocks.

Such a mystery: Did she use up all her paper copying poems and writing letters?

Then I thought, maybe she is going to pile them up in a So-painting-rock-prayer-pile; but we never saw that.

Anyone have an answer for me?

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I don't have any answers.

I was hoping the rocks might be used in a prayer rock pile too.

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I dunno either, Jamie - was just as mystified as you. The only thing I could think of was that in a thousand years they had a better chance of survival than on paper! But that's no good.

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With the effort she was putting in to make those etchings while her health was failing, i thought those stones were important and would later land up in the museum and act as a reminder of her past. Stones have a better chance of surviving than those paper paintings but nope. No go.
Wtf!

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Maybe she intended to use them as paperweights for all those copies of the poem?

It might be a historical thing that people back then did, but it seemed like an odd and somewhat comical hobby to take up. (Or maybe that's just me.)

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yeah, I'd have understood if Su had any interest in painting before (her bff is an artist, it would have been easy as pie to show her spending time w him trying to learn) but nope, nothing. She's all about the scented soaps at the palace and it isn't until she comes to Jung's that she takes up the painting.

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I wish JiSoo has angst-free role and happy ending, and more luck with the leading lady on his future project.

May the odds be ever in your favour, chingu...

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lol technically he got the girl this time, since he married her. But he's headed for another second lead role again next year...

I'm still hoping that when he does upgrade to first lead, he'll reunite with Jung Eun-ji. (please drama gods, you owe me)

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Especially for the last 4 episodes, I was just left thinking "WHY?" the WHOLE time. Like why did things happen the way they did (i.e. why did everyone start dying left and right), why did So keep flip-flopping between his murderous and benevolent sides, why did Su keep changing her loyalties on a whim, why did anything ever happen, AND WHY THAT ENDING.

It's a crying shame because I was so excited for this drama when I first heard about it. I'm a huge fan of IU and I've become/am a fan of most of the actors in this drama. Despite loving these actors, Scarlet Heart was probably the most frustrating drama I've ever seen. Because there could have been so much, like SO MUCH, that could have been done with the execution and exposition. It just went to shambles in the end, and I desperately wished the show would've redeemed itself but nope.

I know they were trying to maintain the historical accuracy and similarities to the Chinese drama.. but if the Chinese drama was like this as well, why the messy plotline???

And the finale: the oh-it-was-a-dream piece made me so mad; we went through 20 episodes for this?? I'm glad she remembered but even then, it was so random (e.g. the paintings).

I feel like we went from square one to square 1.5 and back to square -100000.

Despite all this, thanks so much for the recaps and for sticking through, HeadsNo2!

Here's to hoping the next dramas for these actors will be much better. The one good thing that came out of this show is that I can see why everyone is a huge fan of LJK because I am now completely a fan of him.

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I think the comments you gave us was a little unfair. I do agree that the show did not stand fully to it's potential but come on dramabeans. Human beings are complicated. You can never ask why someone acts the way he/she does. People can be afraid. People can be terrified. And fear can paralyse your brain. I can totally understand Hae Soo. I can understand her because I do deal with doubts and fear my self and sometimes I have to give up on people or things that I like or even love. Like my previouse job for example. When it comes to reincarnation too you can't ask why. Spirituality is so comlicated. It's like having a dream. It may seem like hours but it's barely a few moments. So it's possible for Hae Soo to experience years in Goreyo when it's only a year. Please don't insult the hard word of the team if you didn't like it. I really was hoping for the second season but honestly I think the ending was even better than the original. It said it all. Although I would love to see Wang So/Hae Soo again another season with happy ending. But I definately will remember Scarlet heart as one of my most faivorit dramas

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I straight up laughed during the scene where IU looked at all the paintings of her and the princes, because at that point I'd both emotionally and mentally checked out - and also, who the FUCK thought that that idea had any semblance of logic to it at all LMFAO. I'm not a huge fan of the original BBJX like a lot of other people are, but the one scene that really got me emotionally in BBJX was the ending scene, when Ruoxi saw herself memorialised in a tapestry with the other princes, and you could feel her relief at finally getting the confirmation that she HAD actually existed back then, and that it hadn't all just been a coma-induced dream. I never wanted nor expected MLSHR to be the carbon copy of BBJX, but either way it failed to deliver in almost every aspect.

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" I straight up laughed during the scene where IU looked at all the paintings of her and the princes, because at that point I’d both emotionally and mentally checked out "

Lol. I reacted in the same manner. Laughed and looked around my empty room and wanted to tell somebody-wtf is this! Whats the f is going on.

Su in her finale days put so much effort into those stone sketches so i was thinking like okay,those are going to land up in the museum in future as a proof that the events were real but random illogical paintings. Or even that hairpin would suffice. Seriously,@#$!#

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You're right! I was waiting for the hairpin to appear as well but nope. Nope.

Do you know when I laughed?

When I saw ISOI.

NO ISOI I WILL NOT BUY UR BULGARIAN ROSE STUFF and BB CREAM. NO.

I will always remember how this drama failed us each time I have to walk pass an ISOI store.

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@cassthecat
" NO ISOI I WILL NOT BUY UR BULGARIAN ROSE STUFF and BB CREAM. NO."

Hahaaaaa.
Balant shameless PPL at the end. And i think IU is the brand embassador for it too. Lets giving a withering look to the ISOI store everything we pass by it from now on. Lol.

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YES!!! That scene where Ruoxi finds proof of herself being in that time period after searching long and hard for any record of her being there was perfect. It's like we were all waiting with baited breath to believe she had in fact been there…man, that moment was everything.

This version was simply stupid because how the heck did someone even paint those - supposedly - very private moments she had with the princes. LIKE WHAT!?

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Seriously that was the most wtf part of that entire stupid section - was someone lurking in the bushes to paint all those moments? And if she's imagining them as paintings, why don't they make it clearer?

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@pogo: I don't think she imagined them. I rewatched the scene and the paintings were already there when she first entered the room and even before she looked around. Usually if the character imagined something there would be a 'correction scene' to indicate that those visions are not real or there would be special effects added to the objects in question, which isn't the case here. So I don't find any compelling evidence to support that theory. We've got to live with this plot hole, I guess. Anyway, Hajin's look at the end of it is very touching, so I guess there is still some good out of it, though the whole idea of those private-moment paintings is rather silly and undermines one of the story's most compelling elements.

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I don't have an issue with IU's acting in that scene but good god this drama really goes out of its way to undermine everything good about itself sometimes. Like the existence of the paintings is so absurd that it pulls you right out of the moment - I can get say, Baek-ah having painted Eun's birthday party or a court painter having done Su's greeting to Taejo, but Wook and Su's walk n the snow with dead Lady Hae? who was around for that?!

It's a shame because Su's expression in that scene is one of actual devastation, but it just can't pull past the silliness of the paintings.

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Not to mention the quality of the paintings. They did'nt make them look like the watercolor style of oriental paintings. They looked like photos of the scene edited through photoshop filters. For a second I even thought a modern man did them (except Gwangjeong's portrait), maybe the modern So or a reincarnated character from Goryeo.

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@banini - you know, looking back on it even Baek-ah's paintings were in a style that looked way too modern for Goryeo, so historical accuracy really went out the window on this one.

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Where do i begin..umm okay firstly i would like to thanks heads for recapping this show every single episode speedily.Thank you for beanies here,though sometimes our point of view about characters might be different, im glad i can rant about this show with this community because I had none of my friends watch this show, and though my first language is not English, im trying here so that i can communicate with beanies here.

Im going to miss LJK great acting,though the ending was terribly suck..yeayy for YH not getting her happily ever after,nooo for Du not meeting So in the future ( wtf she only met Ji Mong instead) and finally show, no one get happy ending eh? Poor WS end up really alone after finally Baek Ah left..RIP show, I pray for next time I would not engage in drama that lead to tragic ending.

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This drama! Sigh! Should have renamed it to keep us warned!!

Moon Lovers : CITT2

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I am surprised at the amount of swear words I'm reading in the comment section...

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It was a love story between Bulgarian Rose Scent and Honey BB Cream.. That transcends time!!!

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Im a mess after finishing Moonlovers but even the mess that i am is still more coherent than the drama itself. When the credits rolled i was sure the production did not know what they want to deliver. So the romance. The bromance. The history. The fate. The antagonists. The eclipse plot. All delved out half heartedly..
I went from interested to addicted to confused to ambivalent and lastly conflicted throughout the course of watching.
I confess i did cry in one part of the ending. N disappointed to see modern day Ha jin but no lee joon gi in modern clothes.
Im just glad it has concluded. And may all the actors next project be a better one in terms of story and delivery.

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it feels weird that most long post criticism comment from week 1-3 actually represents this whole drama,

what most people said afraid and what makes them detached comes true than other sugar cotton interpretation from fans

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This ending was downright depressing. I was looking at the cast promos before the show started when everything was bright and shiny, and suddenly everyone was happy for Mondays. And since we were all wondering if the K-version would change the ending from the Chinese version, there was still a sense of optimism that the OTP would end up together. But as the drama progressed and tensions mounted, all that angst just stayed with you. The final palace scene with #4 was unbelievably sad, especially after even his inner circle deserted him. Why did Ji Mong and Baek-ah have to leave him? He could have used a friendly face, and we really could have used a little cheer towards the end - some redemption or even an open ending, as we said goodbye to #4 and to the show. This ending was just too brutal.

I was actually wondering if LJG, when he starts any dramas, has a contract that mandates an unhappy/ambiguous ending for his character, based on most of his work history. That way his fans are desperately happy to see him in one piece at his events. And no worries, ppl. I do think he's cool.

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