Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 19
by HeadsNo2
Love is a fickle thing indeed, and that love is put to the test this hour more than ever before. Does it pass that test? Not exactly. Su seems to have made up her mind when it comes to So, and any attempts to convince her to the contrary fall on deaf ears. Now all that’s left for us to do is hope and pray that we all come out of tomorrow’s finale unscathed.
EPISODE 19 RECAP
So finds Su sitting dejectedly in front of the Damiwon baths, and offers her his hand to help her stand. He’s been wanting to talk to her, he says, but Su rejects the offer: “I cannot go back to that room.”
He knows that this is about Chae-ryung, and reiterates to Su that all Chae-ryung ever did was fool her. But Su remembers differently, and insists that Chae-ryung was always sincere to her. (Really?) So asks if she’s really going to trust Chae-ryung over him, but Su just says she wants to leave the palace.
“What about me?” So replies, an edge to his voice. “Do you think I’ll let you go? You can never leave me.” But when he returns to his room and sees the folded wedding hanbok, he looks more conflicted than ever.
While bathing with an unnecessary amount of candles, Yeonhwa considers So’s proposal for her to leave her family behind and become his only queen. In return, he promised that he would make their future son the crown prince, so Yeonhwa decides that she’ll take him up on it—she wants Goryeo to belong to her son.
Su hands a small box of Chae-ryung’s belongings to Astronomer Choi, asking him to deliver it to the girl’s family. But when ninth prince Won passes by, she tells him in a flat voice that Chae-ryung has died, clearly waiting for a reaction he won’t give.
At his blasé attitude, Su reminds him that Chae-ryung died because of him, and warns that he’ll come to regret it. Won just scoffs that a king’s mistress thinks she can talk to him in such a way, with the “mistress” part catching her by surprise.
Word makes it fast to So, who tells Su that he’ll have to give her an official title as concubine in order for her to be considered more than a mere mistress. She’ll be second only to the queen—and if she has a child, she’ll be considered a second queen entirely.
Su insists that she doesn’t care for a title and simply wants to leave the palace, but So steamrolls over her. “You know that you can’t leave, so stop being so stubborn,” he says. He’s not saying it to hurt her, as he takes her hands in his and calls for an end to their bickering.
“Have you forgotten how long we had to be apart from each other?” he asks tenderly, adding that they shouldn’t let this fight ruin their relationship. But Su pulls her hand from his wordlessly. Sigh.
Meanwhile, Wook tries his hand at political maneuvering, deciding that he’ll act loyal to So outwardly for the time being while planning his next move. Whatever it is, it has something to do with Baek-ah, since both Wook and Won know how much So favors him.
Speaking of, Baek-ah can’t help but wonder why Woo-hee won’t marry him, especially now that they’ve had her registered under a noble family’s name. He guesses it might have to do with her stance on the treatment of people from Later Baekje, but no sooner does he promise to remedy that do they see dead runaway slaves from Baekje displayed for all to see. Woo-hee can barely contain her rage.
Astronomer Choi informs the king that slaves from Later Baekje have been setting fire to the houses of noble families. Wook speaks on behalf of the families being attacked as he asks that So send soldiers to protect them, though So is reluctant to enter a conflict that could bring more chaos.
Under pressure, So finally relents, but adds that the soldiers must use non-lethal force to subdue the slaves in order to avoid bloodshed. Strangely though, Wook proposes that Baek-ah lead the forces, despite Baek-ah never having even held a sword before.
His reasoning is that doing so would dispel rumors that So cares more for Baek-ah (whose mother was of Silla royalty) and the people of Later Baekje than he does for the people of Goryeo, considering that he had a former noblewoman of Later Baekje adopted into a noble family.
It could then be construed that someone close to So (Baek-ah) is being manipulated by someone from Later Baekje, should the marriage happen. Despite the accusations sounding ridiculous, Wook says it would be very easy for them to be spread as rumors.
Baek-ah wants to volunteer to lead the troops despite everything, hating the idea that he and Woo-hee are being used against So. Though So would rather go himself, it’d be seen as him taking sides, so Baek-ah reassures him that he’s not going to die.
We know it’s serious when we get a lovey-dovey scene with Baek-ah fixing Woo-hee’s hair into a bun, indicative of her new status as a wife. Though they aren’t officially married yet, Baek-ah promises that they will be as soon as he returns.
The rebelling slaves of Later Baekje read a posting of the king’s decree that they will not be harmed, and that those forced into slavery or taken from their homes will be reinstated as full citizens of Goryeo. However, the slaves think it’s all talk, and resume their march through the city.
Poor Baek-ah is so nervous as he prepares for the oncoming conflict that he drops his sword, though fourteenth prince Jung is there to pick it up for him, despite him supposedly being exiled to his hometown.
He helps Baek-ah into his armor and tells his brother to come back alive. Baek-ah asks if he received the hairpin from Su, and adds the message only now: “I want it.” He tells him exactly what Su told him, but he knows that it’s a cry for help.
He gets emotional as he asks Jung to remain a friend to Su as well as the king, since he doesn’t know what’s going to happen to him. Jung can only wish him a final farewell and depart, moments before Baek-ah looks up to see Woo-hee standing precariously atop the gates, where a banner reading “Later Three Kingdoms: Reunification of Goryeo, Baekje, and Silla” hangs.
The oncoming slaves stop at the sight of their princess, urging her away from the edge. Baek-ah runs up to confront her, knowing what it is that she’s thinking of doing.
All Woo-hee tells him to do is turn around, and with tears in his eyes, Baek-ah does as she asks. “If you see,” Woo-hee says tearfully, “you won’t ever forget.” And then, she steps off the ledge. Why is any of this happening?
“I thought I could ignore it and live my life,” we hear her say in voiceover as she falls to her death. “I was going to deny my parents. But I can’t turn my back on my people, who look to me as a mother. I don’t think I have the strength to live like that. Goryeo and Baekje, Gyeon Hwon [founder of Later Baekje] and Taejo Wang Geon. I will pay for their sins with my life. Perhaps… this is the reason I was born.” Was it, though?
Su sinks down when she hears the news, and So seems similarly stunned. We find Baek-ah clutching Woo-hee’s lifeless body and sobbing as her voiceover continues to tell him how much she loved him.
Later, he looks at the drawings he’d made of her, and thinks back to their memories together (including that time she stabbed him). Su finds him holding the hairpin he’d given her as he wonders why Woo-hee didn’t say anything to him.
He blames himself for not recognizing Woo-hee’s unhappiness sooner, believing himself to be shallow. But Su says it was Woo-hee who betrayed them, since in the end, she wasn’t selfless enough to care how they would feel.
Now, Baek-ah turns his ire to the king, guessing that he knew everything from the beginning. He confronts So over the deal he’d made with Woo-hee, though So insists that he didn’t know she would die because of it. All he wanted to do was save Baek-ah, and though he claims he didn’t know Woo-hee would commit suicide for it, even if he had, he would’ve done it again if it meant saving Baek-ah.
Baek-ah knows how his brother feels, but he can’t accept it. He gives the king a deep, formal bow, usually reserved for farewells. So recognizes this and desperately admits that he was in the wrong, but Baek-ah takes the blame upon himself. He wishes his hyung a long and healthy life and leaves, despite So calling for him to come back.
So approaches Yeonhwa in the bedchamber, asking if she’s sure about her decision. She says she is, and the rest is left to the imagination.
As he previously discussed with Won, Wook gifts So with a hunting hawk in front of the rest of the court. But when the cage is unveiled, the hawk inside is dead, and the serious music cues us into this being a Bad Omen.
Wook looks more shocked than anyone, having clearly not expected this, as one of the ministers cries out that it’s considered a curse to gift a king a dead hawk. Wook tries to explain that it was just a misunderstanding, but Won makes sure to place the blame squarely on his shoulders.
So asks Wook if he’s committing treason by placing such a curse upon him, and the entire court echoes the sentiment. Wook drops to his knees to beg for the king’s forgiveness, and So smiles grimly: “If it is treason, you will have to pay with your life.” Wow, how is it that I feel sorry for Wook again?
Queen Sinjeong rushes to Yeonhwa with the news of Wook’s predicament, but Yeonhwa couldn’t be more cavalier about the whole matter. She refuses to heed her mother’s request that she save her brother, claiming that she can’t cover up her brother’s crimes for him.
Reminding her mother that she’s queen now, she tells her to let her go as her daughter. She has bigger things to worry about, which leaves her mother trembling with rage.
Wook doesn’t move from the spot where he prostrated himself, despite the throne room being empty now. Su begs So for Wook’s life, claiming he was framed, and even drops to her knees to do so.
That gets So’s attention, since he knows she has bad knees. He kneels to help her up, but she reminds him of his promise not to hurt his brothers. Then, she adds that she knows it was he who killed the hawk and put Wook’s life in danger.
He pulls away from her slightly, asking if there’s a reason he shouldn’t have done so, considering that Wook killed King Hyejong and Eun, chased Baek-ah off, tried to kill him, and tried to separate the two of them. “That’s the kind of person he is,” So argues.
But Su says that whatever goes around comes around, and that if So continues to be too harsh in meting out punishment, everyone will soon turn against him. She doesn’t want him to go down in history as a tyrant, to which So finally relents that he’ll let Wook live. But he’ll be forever confined to his home, and won’t be allowed to take one step out of it.
“He will suffocate in that house,” So all but growls. And now that he thinks of it, he likes this punishment much more than killing him outright. His laugh unsettles Su as she looks up at him in bewilderment, but there’s nothing she can do.
For now, Wook is confined to his library, with soldiers standing watch outside. At the same time, Yeonhwa finds Su near the baths, and strangely admits to pushing Wook too hard. However, she places the blame regarding the change in Wook on Su, since Su was the one who warned him about So. Because of that warning, Wook believed that So would become king.
“He had feelings for you. He hated more than anything that you were acknowledging another man as king. I may have been the one who pressured Wook, but it was you who hammered in the nail,” Yeonhwa grits out.
Su thinks back to King Jeongjong blaming her for everything too, because she helped So to cover his scar. She remembers telling Wook to stay away from So lest he die, and also remembers her prophetic visions about So. “It was all my fault,” Su realizes in the present.
Yeonhwa goes on to say that if Su hadn’t have gotten involved, then Wook wouldn’t have changed the way he did. “You ruined everything. And yet, shamelessly, you still live.” Oh, okay. Right. You’re completely blameless, Yeonhwa. It’s not like Wook had to kill someone and put himself at your mercy because of something you did, right?
Of course Su believes every word Yeonhwa says, and has more heart troubles because of it later. In the meantime, So has his portrait painted because he has a special someone he wants to give it to.
The portrait session is interrupted by Jung, who’s managed to enter the palace despite his exile. He’s brought a decree from the late King Jeongjong, in which he declared his approval of a marriage between Jung and Su.
Flash back to when Jung had been given one wish due to his bravery on the battlefield by King Jeongjong. We never heard what it was he asked for then, but now we know he asked for Su’s hand in marriage. In the present, So throws the decree to the ground, claiming it to be fake.
Jung challenges him to compare the handwriting, but So says that even if it’s a match, he’ll refuse to allow it. So tries to use the “Everyone knows she’s with me” line, but Jung just as easily throws back that she’s not a wife or a concubine—thus, there’s no reason why she can’t be free to marry him.
He throws down the gauntlet by adding that he’s already informed the ministers of the decree, and that they know he’s waiting for the king’s consent. It’s only when Jung says that this is what Su wants that So stops with his threats to punish him.
So goes straight to Su, asking her if she already knew about the decree of consent. So says that Jung claimed she wanted to marry him, but since he knows she doesn’t, he’ll—… “I want to,” Su interrupts.
She mentions how it would only be harmful for So to go against the late king’s decree, and brings up how he’d talked about their longing for each other when they were apart. She admits this was so, but says that now, she sees him daily and sometimes even despises him.
This comes as a shock to So, but Su continues that if they were to keep going as they are, only hatred would remain. Her reasoning is that if she leaves now, she can prevent that from happening, or something. “I will never allow that to happen,” So answers in a low voice.
Yeonhwa tears into So for ignoring the late king’s decree, since he’s not helping his case. She can’t understand why he can’t just let Su go, but warns that she won’t just stand by and let him throw the throne away.
While confined to his library, Wook flashes back to when he was still prostrated in front of the throne. Su had gone to him to say that the king had agreed to let him live, though Wook had worried that people might begin to suspect her.
Su had answered that she would have done this for anyone, and had kneeled before him to tell him to give up his aspirations for the throne. “No one can escape this misery if you do not leave this place. You must give up first,” she said, leaving Wook with much to consider.
In the present, he returns to the letter he’d been writing, only to get an unexpected visit from a disguised(?) Yeonhwa, asking for his help. Well, well.
Cut to: Wook greeting the king in the throne room, which he was only able to do because Yeonhwa made it so. Yeonhwa is sent from the room as Wook confesses to the one thing So has stubbornly not known until now: that he and Su had once promised to marry each other.
He explains that their relationship took place before Su became So’s woman, adding that back then, Su was his. We cut to So confronting an oblivious Su over this newfound bit of information, explaining that he knows all about the bracelet and her secret meetings with Wook.
“Is it all true?” he asks, clearly wanting it not to be. But she affirms it asthmatically, leaving So to put all the pieces together that he hadn’t before. So would rather her lie to him and tell him it was all a misunderstanding, desperate for things to go back to the way they were.
“We said we would not lie to one another,” Su reminds him. “How could you do this?” So asks desperately. “How could you hurt me like this? Why is it Wook, of all people?” He steps back when Su approaches him, a tear running down his cheek. “Wook was the only one in your heart,” he adds, believing it to be true.
Su looks tearful herself, and reaches out to take his hand. So pulls it away with a warning: “After today, I will never see you again.” Su collapses in his wake, crying. I’m so confused. Isn’t this what she wanted anyway?
Su takes her leave of the palace as Astronomer Choi warns So that if he throws Su away like this, he’ll lose a part of himself as well. But then So says the truest statement ever told: “I did not throw her away. Su threw me away.”
Baek-ah and Su share a parting drink, taking a moment to discuss the marriage Su didn’t know about. And while she claims not to love the idea, she’s ready to go through with it just to get out of the palace, explaining that she fell out with So because “there’s just too much blood in our relationship.” (That’s literally what she says, but I have absolutely no idea what she means.)
Regardless, Baek-ah says he’s grateful for their relationship, and ends his farewell there. He tries to chase Wook off when he comes to say his farewell, but at a nod from Su, Baek-ah relents and takes his leave.
Su thanks Wook for what he did, though he clarifies that his intentions were far from righteous. She believes that statement to be false, knowing that he would never have said those things if he thought she didn’t want to leave.
“Jung will be good to you,” Wook manages to say, along with a well-meaning wish for her to forget the past and think only of the future. He looks like he’s just barely holding it together as he takes a long pause, and then sighs.
“Su-ya,” he says, returning to the endearing way he used to say her name. “I think you understand me,” he adds, reaching an uncertain hand out to gently grasp her shoulder. Pulling her in closer, he tells her that this life is now over.
He smiles when he pulls away, and Su watches him go for a very long time. After a brief cut to So looking to the wedding hanbok Su only ever got to try on, we return to her as an inner monologue begins:
“If I had not met him, I would not yearn for him. If I did not know him, I would not think of him so much. If we had not been together, I would not have to disappear. If I did not treasure him so much, I would not have so many memories. If I did not love him, we would not need to throw each other away. If we had not crossed paths, we would never have been together. Perhaps, if I had not met you at all…”
And then, we find So holding the wedding hanbok in shaking hands as he cries.
COMMENTS
In the vein of Su’s inner monologue, we could say that if we had never watched this show, we would never have had to try to understand an indecipherable heroine. If we didn’t love seeing Lee Jun-ki on screen, we wouldn’t have gotten this far. If things made sense, we wouldn’t have to yearn for explanations. If we knew what Su was saying, we would have something to go on.
But alas, there’s been this permeating sense of malaise ever since So took the throne, because things only started to go downhill from there. What’s strange is that I thought that the throne would be the grand goal we needed to reach, but it was treated with such little fanfare that it felt like just another day in the life. Which meant that the only story left to tell was Su and So’s, and we can all see how well thought-out that part of the story is going.
I’m honestly confused by Su’s motives and her ever-shifting loyalties, since it didn’t take much for her to go from “I’ll help you” to “Never mind, I’m leaving you.” Even if we tried to see things from her perspective, i.e. that So is a ruthless murderer and killed her friend for no reason, he actually tried to talk things out with her, which should really count for something. For her apparently thinking him an unreasonable monster, he was the only one speaking sense, and it was Su who willfully decided to believe only what she wanted to be true. Instead of taking all the evidence So presented to her and thinking back to the times Chae-ryung has been shifty, she thought only of the time Chae-ryung held her hand and staunchly refused to believe that she could ever have been insincere or false.
So instead, she’d have to believe that So was the one lying to her, and it was beyond aggravating to see her just shut down. At that point, I threw my hands up, because her misery seemed self-inflicted, and her path to ignoble idiocy firmly secured. Granted, So isn’t exactly an angel to be with, but after an entire series about them finding each other and discovering their love, was this where it was all going? I feel cheated.
I suppose all isn’t lost since there’s still one episode left, and I don’t want to think that we’ve been hoping in vain. I’m not even sure where I’d want things to end in an ideal world, since everyone’s paths have gotten so twisted and crossed. As of right now, I don’t think a marriage between Jung and Su would be the worst thing that ever happened, if only because he deserves props for being true to his word. After this episode, I’m kind of sad that they didn’t develop their loveline to its fullest potential however one-sided it is, because out of everyone, Jung has been selfless in loving her and has never asked for anything in return. Marriage was just the only way he knew how to honor her request, and he planned ahead enough to make it so that even So couldn’t argue the point.
If things had been left there, they would have been moderately better, but then it felt like the show was throwing everything and the kitchen sink in as reasons to drive Su and So apart. At least Wook’s confession had an ulterior motive that wasn’t awful, so I appreciated that they gave that couple a bittersweet sendoff, which worked in its own way to ever-so-slightly redeem Wook. (Does he not know that his sister betrayed him, though? Or does he not care?)
But then we come to all the nonsense Yeonhwa spouted, and the fact that the show could’ve actually gone somewhere in having Su believing herself to be responsible for the way historical events turned out. It’s only that we were given that scene with Su believing everything to be her fault, and then… nothing. They went nowhere with it. It didn’t influence Su’s decision to leave, nor did it seem to weigh on her conscience for very long. Somehow, it seems worse that the show dropped in actual, real reasons for Su to be conflicted, but it chose to go with her just being over it all instead. C’mon, Moon Lovers. You’ve got one last chance to be the show we all wanted you to be—don’t waste it.
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101 TJ
November 1, 2016 at 3:36 AM
I've not enjoyed any of these recaps because the author seems to think this story is different from the original and it's just not. A few of the moments have changed, because the dead hawk scene comes way before Wang Su becomes king, that kind of thing. The heroine in the Chinese version is just as frustrating maybe even more. 14th Prince has a much larger role in the original version so you don't feel quite so strange about her decision to marry him, because he's a really likable kind of guy throughout. You just keep thinking he really should have been king. 4th prince in the original has none of the charm or charisma that Wang Su has so I couldn't figure out why she liked old stone face to even get started. So the "flaws" in this story really are written right into the story which makes you wonder why it was so popular in the first place.
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Eli
November 1, 2016 at 5:07 AM
@TJ
I really cannot agree more with you! :)
The heroine in the Chinese version is just as frustrating maybe even more.
- That is my same thought. I respect Ruoxi and yes she is smart but also very manipulative. As 9th prince said she is indeed Yinzheng's woman.
14th Prince has a much larger role in the original version so you don’t feel quite so strange about her decision to marry him, because he’s a really likable kind of guy throughout. You just keep thinking he really should have been king.
- the relationship with 14 is totally different. Even the emperor knew he should've been king.
4th prince in the original has none of the charm or charisma that Wang Su has so I couldn’t figure out why she liked old stone face to even get started.
- I until know don't get their love. Yes they have chemistry, and the love is intense in a passionate-desire way but all the suffering and sacrificing I don't get it. They are made for each other in a calculative way. She is angry, then gets over because she is pregnant, then angry again about something that he has been always inside of him. Yinzheng has always been like that since the moment he met her. He kissed her in I own you way and only because he though she was interested for asking things about him. Is totally different with WangSo.
For me the most bad written character is WangSo not HaeSoo. HaeSoo character is well written, is consistent and has development the bad move undoubtedly is the lack of voiceover, lines, script that makes hard to get her 100%.
But how WangSo has been behaving lately that is consistent with Yinzheng not with the charismatic Wang So that we saw, loved. It just doesn't make any sense.
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gem28
November 1, 2016 at 9:47 AM
I respectfully disagree. Rouxi was smart even manipulative, she fully knowing what she was doing let 4th take over the throne for her love. She was selfish, she betrayed Kangxi and she never lied to herself about it. She knew what she had done was not right but she wanted to be with 4th and wanted 13th to be free and none of that would've been possible if 14th had become the king. Yes, 14th was extremely likable and well established character but that doesn't nullify Rouxi's character progression to nothing. Hae-Su is blind to her own shortcomings, if its not her way then you're wrong. Rouxi knew what she was doing but she thought she'd be okay with the consequences but she wasn't. Her wanting to leave the Forbidden City was well established. It was her own guilt, her incapability to handle the consequences of her own decisions, not because she couldn't trust 4th, questioned his love or wasn't loyal. Hae-Su has none of that trait. She has since day 1 only decided to trust the whole world except Wang So. She refuses to acknowledge politics, ambitions and reality if its outside her happy bubble.
As for the 4th prince, hands down Lee Jun Ki's Wang So is a meatier role but lets not forget this version of the novel was centered and heavily relying on his shoulders to deliver and it wasn't the case for C version. C 4th was always cunning, ruthless, wasn't mistreated by his own family perhaps very cruel but loved Rouxi regardless. So, Nicky Wu did what was required. C version instead developed every character. Starting from Rouxi, 8th, 10th, 10th's wife, 8th's both wife Rouxi's sister and his first wife, 4th's mother, 14th, 13th and his lover. All of the characters may have started as plain, predictable characters but by the end had shown immense growth for the better. I don't think we can say the same here.
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pogo
November 1, 2016 at 6:36 AM
I've never watched BBJX in full so I have to account for my own bias in thinking that it'd be really hard to top Lee Jun-ki in that role, original or no. But from what I've gathered, BBJX has a heroine who is relatively well-developed and not left to be a cipher like Su here.
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102 Kindred1999
November 1, 2016 at 3:38 AM
Because things have been so disorganized in the last two eps, my thoughts are all over the placer. But much like MLSHR, that's not going to stop me from trying to get my point across!
While i sympathize with both sides, I'm all for HS bailing on the palace and i get why she did. She finally got what Lady Oh was trying to tell her-people don't change for others. The cruel streak in So has always been there and ascending to the throne just bought it back to the surface. And as much as i love a good romance and the appeal of LKJ's take on Wang So, I fully understand HS not wanting to live out the lyrics of a Tammy Wynette song. Getting out now is really all she can do. She can't stop So from being the king history remembers him as and the more she tries to turn away from his darker actions, the more she loses what's left of herself-the girl who just wanted everyone to live. The palace is full of misery so HS living out the rest of her days there while keeping a front row seat to So drifting further away from her is just one big ole No. And So giving YH what she wanted is just a prime example of what one must do to be King. So's even got a gameplan-knock them both up so HS can have a standing almost equal to the Queen. That's no way to live your life-measures and counter measures left and right. But that's politics for you and the life So chose for himself when he decided he truly wanted the throne.
I agree with others who are saying there are messages being conveyed here. The first big one is that No one can have both the throne and love. NO ONE. If you don't throw away love on your own, it will be taken from you one way or another. I can't help but compare So's statement about HS throwing him away to his father saying almost the same thing to Lady Oh. The king is king before he is a man or a brother. Just as it was acceptable to Taejo to allow HS to die during the poisoning saga, So's actions to protect the throne (while awful from a 21st century pov) are in line with what a king does to protect his spot and kingdom. The problem is...that means JACK ALLl to the people he loves. Wook, CR, and even WH-So had valid reasons for wanting them dead or neutralized. However, You can't explain collateral damage to loved ones. Just because you can understand someone's pov does not mean you accept it. All the people So depended on did end up leaving him but each one of them had a completely acceptable reason for it.
I'm still p'oed about YH and Won not having gotten a fair return on the absolute misery they have given to others. The Queens being surprised by the ruthlessness of their children just makes me laugh. YH needs to take a seat anyway since she's blaming this whole thing on HS like she didn't personally force Wook hand or get Eun and his wife killed. Whatever, YH. I see her future of having the throne and nothing else is firmly set.
Here's hoping Ep.20 somehow doesn't end up a total mess.
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Jamie Opso
November 1, 2016 at 6:19 AM
@ Kindred 1999: Lol at "I fully understand HS not wanting to live out the lyrics of a Tammy Wynette song."
And this is excellent: "You can’t explain collateral damage to loved ones. Just because you can understand someone’s pov does not mean you accept it. All the people So depended on did end up leaving him but each one of them had a completely acceptable reason for it."
That's right! All the people So wanted to keep left him for that reason: the grand general, Soon Deok's father; Baek Ah; Hae Soo. Even Jung, who could have been on So's side--he was on the fence--could not accept Eun as collateral damage.
The only ones who can accept collateral damage to loved ones are the ones not worthy of love: Yeon Hwa, Wook, Taejo, etc. You can probably throw the other royals in there, as well, in the limited way they are able to love others.
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Seltzerwater
November 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM
Lol at "he's even got a plan, knock them both up so Su has almost equal standing."
Idk why but the wording of that is so funny to me. I just imagine So going "one pregnancy down, one to go!"
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103 Yoo
November 1, 2016 at 3:44 AM
If they are going the c-drama way I really don't see the point of changing the character setting which actually makes the time travelling arc useless.
It has been a stressful 10 weeks thinking what could have been... hope LJK gets a better drama and spare me from the misery in the future
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104 angularangst
November 1, 2016 at 4:03 AM
the only thing i fleshed out from this episode is how well-developed the wook-soo relationship is and that it somehow came in full circle and solidifying just how intense the chemistry between kang haneul and iu is. here's to hoping more collaborations for haneul and iu, be it a music video or drama bc their chemistry is just that good ??
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105 bubblefairy
November 1, 2016 at 4:18 AM
If i hadn't tried to fully comprehend this drama, i wouldn't have developed this bloody headach.
Trying to make sense of it by reading ALL the intelligent comments from fellow beanies has me nursing a migrane. I thought all the characters were wtf, now im confused who to ship.
Thanks alot drama, we could have about a hundred different dramas from all the scarred hearts splattered on my screen.
PS: As much as most of us hate this drama, its still the most talked about, kudos to the writers for this type of crazy.
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Baek
November 2, 2016 at 7:38 AM
The nightmare is over, i no longer have to try to understand at much as i could by having to watch multiple versions and having my inner self arguing over what the show is trying to tell..
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106 Yoyo
November 1, 2016 at 4:20 AM
Oh the burden of regret that falls upon your shoulders. The weight it carries is more than both arms can endure. See the images that bear the great loss you now feel, how was it that you were blinded by the darkness?
Oh the burden of regret that falls upon your shoulders.
The weight it carries was more than your heart could endure. When the light shone brightly before you, it was the darkness you clinged on to.
Oh the burden of regret that falls upon your shoulders.
The weight it carries is more than you could endure.
In haste you tried to find what was lost, but the darkness was all you could see.
Oh the burden of regret that falls upon your shoulders.
May it teach you to harden not your heart.
The pain it brings is tenfold to the love that was given, so step out of the darkness until the light of love shines upon you again.
From Su to So, the ode of Goodbye
-Yoyo-
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pogo
November 1, 2016 at 5:21 AM
@Yoyo - you're killing me.
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107 pigsnout
November 1, 2016 at 4:33 AM
I still kept following this drama even though it was frustrating but why do the writers make Hae Soo so wishy-washy, always running like a chicken after some visions, going to So and then judging hin by 21 century standards, then freaking believing some traitor who even writes in her letter that she's not sorry for screwing up Haesoo's life and choosing to leave So because of that one?
She can leave for so many other reasons and I would understand but does she not understand what CR did? "She was my little sister", what rubbish. So wasn't even this mad at you for not trusting him and causing the death of a total innocent brother but we're all supposed to believe freaking Chae Ryung is deserving of this kind of grief?
What kind of drama is this, earlier I used to think the PD is the weird one but the writer is crazy too. You want people to hate your heroine or what?
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108 aa
November 1, 2016 at 5:08 AM
SIGH... I am just out of word. I can not think, I can not focus at anything, in school I can not study, everything my teacher said is thrown off my head. My soul already leave me, fly out of my body..
The only think I want is this show ends as fast as possible!
SHOWW! don't give me headache anymore!Give me back the old me to me before I meet So and Soo (Well to be precisely before meet Hae Soo, I think I am gonna be okay to meet Wang So ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ)
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109 aa
November 1, 2016 at 5:09 AM
one hour to end.. what kind of "HAPPY" ending we get?
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pigsnout
November 1, 2016 at 7:09 AM
They die and get reincarnations?
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110 Mayuka
November 1, 2016 at 5:17 AM
Yes, this episode is a bit disappointment for me. I feel like they just put things here for a rush ending to make things sadder for HS and WS, to give them reason to separate from each other.
WS can be cruel and scary, but we see that he is trying his best not to do anything cruel. He even wanted to help the slaves and all, but in the end it all backfired to him. His intention of helping the slaves and save Baek-ha. Also about Woohee's death, I think it's the most cliche that happened in this drama. Her death is not really that helpful, she could've just talked to her citizens or do something else except killing herself but no, to make things painful for Baek-ha and to give Baek-ha a reason to leave WS they need to do that.
Jung...honestly made me amazed with his character, he is someone who didn't change despite of the things happening around him. He had the permission to marry HS but he never did, because he knew how much HS loves WS. He could've torn them apart like what WW and the others are trying to do, but he let her to what he wanted but made it sure that, when she need his help, he will be there for her no matter what. I really find that amazing, he is indeed the most selfless character in this series and I hope he at least gets a happy ending.
This episode for me look "forced" to make it's viewers feel sorry for WS and cry a lot, but I didn't even shed a tear...I didn't feel anything except I feel sorry for WW and WS.
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111 beatrice
November 1, 2016 at 5:35 AM
every time su makes a decision, I cant help but think back to the first episode whereby she was cheated on by her bf and best friend and dumped with a mountain of debt. same sad plight in modern day and in goryeo. this girl is too naive.
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112 gavotte
November 1, 2016 at 5:45 AM
Thanks Heads for the recap!
"If we didn’t love seeing Lee Jun-ki on screen, we wouldn’t have gotten this far." and the rest of your comments.
+10000000000
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113 Pip
November 1, 2016 at 5:56 AM
I'd rather So be happy with Yeon Hwa. Su's character is too sanctimonius. Even now after everything Su will defend Chae Ryung but not extend the same courtesy to So.
Honestly I'd rather they keep 21st century So and Su apart.
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Ruby
November 1, 2016 at 7:19 AM
Sorry but I would rather Wang So live with a snake than YH.
They won't be happy since she clearly just wants the throne. She would use and discard anyone for her ambitions. While she likes Wang So, I don't think she loves him at all. YH loves only herself.
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Pip
November 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM
I think she does love him but in a twisted way. I'm no fan of YH but at least she goes after what she wants. Hae Su claims she loves So yet blames him for everything that happens. She completely gave Chae Ryung a pass becuase she meant something to her. Her feelings got hurt and she wants to use her influence on SO to get what she wants. Just because YH is portrayed as the evil one doesn't mean Su doesn't do very questionable things.
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Ruby
November 1, 2016 at 2:49 PM
I will suffer through an extra episode just to see karma bite YH in the ass.
The actress did her job well portraying the baddie. There are times I wanted to reach into the screen and bitchslap YH.
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Pip
November 1, 2016 at 3:31 PM
I don't think there will be a happy ending for YH, sure she'll have a kid with So. But deep down she'll know he'll never love her and who knows if he might just separate himself from her after getting her pregnant. I am intrigued to see how they end it though.
The actress has done a really good. I think the whole cast has. IU hasn't been given enough credit for the work she has done. It sucks that her character got a bit distorted though.
114 dragonsflame
November 1, 2016 at 6:40 AM
With everybody commenting on what might have been I thought I'd put in my 2 cents.
I think that instead of trying to copy the C version they should have just adapted it.
Instead of having an unknown character from the 21st century get sent back to inhabit the body of an unknown character from Goryeo, the show could have been about a well educated chaebols daughter getting sent back to inhabit the body of Yeonwha.
It would keep the premise of the original while being able to take the story in new and hopefully more interesting directions.
You would have someone who is already used to a life of privilege as well as being a completely independent woman.
The love triangle could have been between Yo, So and herself. Wook could have been portrayed from the beginning as someone who wants the throne. Being the kings daughter Taejo would have immediately known that she had changed, so what would he and/or Jimong told her.
what would her reaction be to knowing that she is going to end up Queen and that Wook would never realize his dream.
Just a few thoughts on what might have been.
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Boom
November 1, 2016 at 9:20 AM
Ooh that sounds like a really good idea. I think you should have been a writer for the show instead.
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115 PakalanaPikake
November 1, 2016 at 6:50 AM
Did anyone else have a feeling of deja vu?
"THIS IS AN EX-HAWK!"
Monty Python - Dead Parrot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218
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Gopi
November 1, 2016 at 9:14 AM
Ha ha ha. I knew there was something familiar with that dead bird, but I could not remember where I had seen it before. I remember reading your posts on the Soo Baek Hyang Soompi forum, always a pleasure.
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PakalanaPikake
November 1, 2016 at 3:45 PM
Aloha, Gopi!
Wow! I'm so surprised to reconnect with a fellow SBH fan from the good old days over at Soompi! Every once in a while, I rewatch parts of SBH... truly my gateway Kdrama. ;-)
Glad you liked the Python reference... In an attempt to salvage my sanity, I revisited another movie below.
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116 pigsnout
November 1, 2016 at 7:08 AM
There's another thing I don't understand, can somebody please help me and explain.... why did Woo Hee commit suicide? Because the three kingdoms were unified? I got very confused about that part, I don't know korean history.
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Debbie101
November 1, 2016 at 8:43 AM
I never understood that either, the drama never made it clear. It's like a whole other sub-story within the larger one. I know it's something that has to do with political tensions or something along those lines but I'm at a loss for Woo-Hee's existence other than a romantic interest for Baek Ah. Her suicide came from nowhere...I mean I guess that's what suicides tend to be but the show never clarified :/
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PakalanaPikake
November 1, 2016 at 3:52 PM
It's foreshadowing. She lost the will to live... just as many of us are losing our wits while watching until the final curtain.
Full Disclosure: I've seen the final installment. But I ain't talking. No spoilers from me. Neener, neener.
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117 LeeJunKi'sManes'Fan
November 1, 2016 at 7:46 AM
As a person who has watched the Chinese version, read the goddamn book and probably going to watch the Season2 despite people's warning it sucks... I have absolutely no idea why did I watch this show from the beginning to it's (possibly) bitter end.
Perhaps it is his mane that draws me in. Now that he's king, there's no more glory of thus hair that now encased in that small headband. I has the sad. I don't wanna watch anymore. I lied. I will watch it. (See, it's a vicious cycle between throwing the show away, or keep watching it until it ends). I am Hae Soo IRL with Scarlet Heart as my Gwangjong.
Pain. This episode is just... pain. Hae Soo has already given up being with him when he's trying to find reasons to keep her. Boy, was he right about her throwing him away.
At least she didn't follow Lady Oh's footsteps.
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118 crapatata
November 1, 2016 at 7:54 AM
This show. It's not like I need to breath in between sobs or anything. Anyway, this episode just reestablished 2 prevailing opinions I've had throughout its entire run:
1) Yeonhwa is an everlasting conniving bitch. She's a shitty sister, a shitty sister-in-law, a shitty sister-wife-to-be, a shitty daughter, and a shitty person in general. I pity whatever poor soul she's going to give birth to.
2) I'M STILL IN LOVE WITH WOOK. Idk if it's the Kang Haneul effect or what, but the moment he dropped the evil mask he's been sporting the past 10 episodes or what, I just felt for him so much. I honestly believe that in the end, he did what he did out of love. Sure the guy had ambitions, and he definitely had the smarts to fulfill those so why not? Not saying that the king-and-everyone-else killing was justified of course, since his own greed did fuel that. But I believe he believed that the only way he could really protect the people he treasured (Soo and his family) was to be in the ultimate position of power, given that shitty fucking yeonhwa put him in a position wherein he was powerless to protect both. It opened his eyes that such a situation could come up (and it did) and he wanted to prevent it from happening again. And since we are talking about Goryeo, it was a time where power can't be obtained without killing. In the end, the worst of his crimes was having YH for a sister. The fucker.
AND THAT SCENE. WHERE HE BREATHED. AND SIGHED. AND SAID GOODBYE. Hnnnnnnnnnnnnngh. I'm not okay.
And regarding Soo's choices this episode, I actually think it's the most consistent she's ever been. I mean, I don't think anybody sane out there would ever get her reasoning on ChaeRyung the Blameless, but I do understand where she's coming from regarding everything else. Honestly, I think her character would be criticized whether or not she chose to leave, since her choices are either Stay with a Tyrant or Throw Away the Love of Your Life after all. Still, with everything that's happened since WS ascended: all the deaths (CR's and WH's), the political manipulations (Wook's situation this episode), and YH + her irrational decision to blame her selfishness on Soo + actually having Soo believe them--it makes sense to just want out. She cried during her last argument with WS because of course it broke her heart to break his, but ultimately, I found her brave for keeping to her decision, to remove herself from all the possible pain in the palace, where she's neither a wife nor in a position of political agency.
Wangso's not changing anytime soon after all. He was one of the more consistent characters from the very start, with hints of ruthlessness from the very first episodes. I don't blame his character's decisions though. In fact I respect the show's choice in sticking to a cruel lead character (and not being an anti-hero). It gives him more depth, and shows that a cruel person can also love purely.
PS I still ship WookSoo...
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119 Debbie101
November 1, 2016 at 8:38 AM
Writer-nim said the ending would be happy...I'm shell shocked. Why So? Why? Why are you left all alone? ??
Hae Soo will probably regret her decision and as someone watching this, its even more heartbreaking because their love was doomed and now they'll live out their separate lives in misery. Hae Soo thinks leaving the palace will solve everything? you can physically leave the man but the memory of his love will haunt you girl, remember that.
I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE HAPPY IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK FOR?....Well except Won and Yeonhwa. Someone needs to frame them so they can be executed ?
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PakalanaPikake
November 1, 2016 at 4:05 PM
@Debbie101,
Writer-nim said the ending would be happy…I’m shell shocked.
I feel your pain.(TM)
Just in time for next week's US presidential election, this blast from the past, which also applies to MOON LOVERS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0
Just substitute the word "happy."
Happy with a side of psychotic, and a double helping of masochistic for a chaser...
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120 PakalanaPikake
November 1, 2016 at 9:03 AM
Dear HeadsNo2,
Thanks for this recap... It was just the right tone to keep me from screaming in frustration. Between Hae-Su, Yeon-Hwa, and Woo-Hee, I feel like what happens at 0:59 in the link below. I know I've got lots of company here in the recaps. ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTe0MjAZvMU
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121 Illa
November 1, 2016 at 9:22 AM
Hae Soo's main end goal was NOT So on the throne. It was to keep So as far away from the throne as possible and prevent the brothers from killing each other.
Hae Soo is a character who will go to extreme lengths to preserve her free will. She'd rather risk killing herself than be told what to do or compromise her values.
Because of her love for So, she allows her values to be compromised in order to give him what he wants so desperately: the throne. She had serious misgivings about doing it, but he wanted it, she loves him, so she allowed him to distract her from her overall goal while she misled herself and she did it for him. It ended up a spectacularly bad situation.
So is lying about killing people, massacring nobles just like Yo did. He is turning into everything Soo never wanted and always feared he would be. He has already thrown Soo away thrice in favor of the throne (their first break up, conceding to marry YeonHwa, and breaking his promises not to kill people since it suited his political goals) and will definitely do so again in the future if he needs to. Her presence is no longer positive enough to check him, and the death of her friend was the wake up call Hae Soo needed to realize that bad things happen when you blindly do everything for love. She has reinstalled her strong will and will no longer do what So wants because he wants it. There is no reason to stay other than her lingering feelings, so she will go.
Sometimes it takes more strength of character to break a promise than keep it.
Now, Wook. He isn't that good of a villain. His goal in poisoning Mu wasn't to kill him, but make him paranoid enough to abdicate. Yo killed Mu. Yo, YeonHwa, and So killed Eun, not Wook. So and Baekha are the ones who drove Yo insane and into having a heart attack, also not Wook. Wook's reasoning for having Baekha lead the troops are actually sound, though devious. Other than this, Wook's behavior has been that of a typical politician. He's actually done a pretty good job of keeping the country running and the nobles happy through multiple crazy kings.
Interestingly, if Wook had chosen to protect HaeSoo rather than his sister, he likely would have ended up king.
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Seltzerwater
November 1, 2016 at 10:57 AM
"Interestingly, if Wook had chosen to protect HaeSoo rather than his sister, he likely would have ended up king."
Yeah, I think buying into Barbrey's theory about Hae Su's role as the water maiden/Kingmaker, Wook's decision to abandon Hae Su most likely turned him away from the King seat even though he's so close. Wook is an excellent politician and really well suited to the throne. I think he would have made an excellent king.
But if we follow the mythology of this show, it's Hae Su's love that determines who will be king.
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Seltzerwater
November 1, 2016 at 10:59 AM
"Because of her love for So, she allows her values to be compromised in order to give him what he wants so desperately: the throne. She had serious misgivings about doing it, but he wanted it, she loves him, so she allowed him to distract her from her overall goal while she misled herself and she did it for him. It ended up a spectacularly bad situation."
This is the overall messaging for the women in this show that I really love: do not compromise yourself for love. Do not try to change the person you love or change yourself to fit the person you love. Only heartache lies that way.
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Pip
November 1, 2016 at 11:33 AM
Wook has been the chess master maneuvering everyone around the board. While he may have not physically committed an act he set the situations for them to fall into. He had the exit blocked so Eun and Sun Deok couldn't escape. It helped him that Su didn't trust So.
I think Wook would have made a great King and Su and YH interference's only pushed him into crazy town trying to pursue it.
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122 PETITION FOR PART2!!!
November 1, 2016 at 10:53 AM
Please sign and support the petition for Part 2 of Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo
http://www.joysofasia.com/join-the-petition-for-part-2-of-moon-lovers-scarlet-heart-ryeo/
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Dahiana
November 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM
I will sign the petition but I don't think my heart can handle a season 2 unless we have some sort of do over.
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Oh no
November 1, 2016 at 11:34 AM
I don't think I could watch a 2nd series with these writers and editors.
The story needs to be more cohesive.
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WishfulToki
November 1, 2016 at 3:50 PM
I would sign a petition for the extended version of this show (I'd even buy the DVDs) with the most coherent story the director can put together.
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123 Martin J Simwaba
November 1, 2016 at 10:55 AM
I was rooting for So and Su from the very begining but the,;
oh wait! I forgot, oh.... Fate...fate...
I was wondering, Hae Su(forgot her morden name) came from morden time all the way to the past skipping 'i don't know how many years' and she found her self in her doppleganger's body with all the knowledge she learnt of this timeline( like knowing how Wang So would become king, or who would be So's first queen etc) So my first question is, was it Su's fate to take part in all the royal conflicts because ever since her arrival things have been changing for the worse? Secondly, what really happened to the real Hae Su , is she steal in there or she's completely dead? What happened to Su's morden body because clearly she has someone to miss her, and what happened to the person she was trying to save? Lastly, did astronomer Choi also come from the present, was he the one who pulled Su to the past? I need some clearance 'cause i think my head is going to burst from this curiosity and i don't think the last episode will manage to satisfy my curiosity, do you?
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124 Dahiana
November 1, 2016 at 11:26 AM
I love the cast and I every week I have waited excitedly for each episode but I am become disillusioned with the whole thing. I am still watching of course, because I still hope but the end seems bleak to me. Part of me was so excited thinking Wook was finally going to get his comeuppance but no, she had to go and beg for him.
I was very annoyed at Soo over her idiocy about Chae Ryung; this girl betrayed you, because of her people have died and you were accused of poisoning the king, So became the new king's guard dog or sorts in order to protect you and still! He lack of trust in So irks me to no end.
Part of me hoped she would drown when she was in the Damiwon looking at the water.... Won (that prince who CR was in love with), he needs to die soon. Also, someone needs to tell So that Yeon Hwa was in cahoots with his mom in trying to poison The crown prince.
Gosh and I think I need to watch the Chinese version now. Also, next week special episodes better be worth all the pain they have put was through!!!
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125 wackycashew
November 1, 2016 at 11:49 AM
Thanks for the recap, Heads!
*braces myself for the final stretch*
Knowing the direction of the original novel and C-series, I wasn't surprised that this adaptation followed the same path for this ep. As much as Su loves So and wants to remain by his side, the latest happenings are just too much for her to handle. Not only does she need to deal with the deaths of Eun, SD, and CR, but now she has to deal with WH's departure and the King that So has become. Her intuition told her that So was responsible for the dead hawk, and I liked that she wasn't afraid to call him out on it. But I think what really made her flabbergasted was his expression of glee that having Wook under house arrest is a FAR better lifelong sentence. That just scared Su even more. And tbh, Su is currently under palace arrest herself since So refuses to let her go.
That's why when Jung brought the decree and I had anticipated it, I felt relieved for Su. She really just needs to get out of there, no matter who she's going with and what the circumstances are. She needs a means of escape, and if it means marriage to Jung, so be it. Like Wook said, I have no doubt that Jung will treat her well and make her smile because that's just how much he loves her. This is one of the main reasons I really disliked SBS for constantly editing out Jisoo's scenes!! It made this couple's friendship and development seem out of nowhere for viewers who may not watch multiple versions. In any case, I'm glad that Jung pointed out the lack of wife status of Su and that Su was the one who wants to leave the palace.
I knew that YH had requested for Wook's help, but his behaviour was really to help Su. I believe that he has come to terms with the fact that he would never achieve the throne nor be with Su. And understanding that Su really wants to leave was the reason to lay it all out to So that they were once an item. I'm glad Su and Wook were able to part on peaceful terms.
(Continuing in next comment...)
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wackycashew
November 1, 2016 at 11:54 AM
So, here comes the part about So's reaction... He knew that Su had someone in her heart long ago. In fact, he was fully aware of this early on when he began to pursue her. And his only beef back then was that as long as it wasn't BA, all was good. I don't know why he never bothered to investigate further back then to figure out it was Wook, and only making sense of things now and being angry over it towards Su once again leads me to believe that So doesn't have enough faith in their love. If everything that they have experienced together did not solidify their love for him, and it has caused him to start distrusting Su because she was begging for mercy for Wook, then it just means that So always had this shadow of a doubt within him no matter what Su did--waiting for him for two years, helping him be king, being selfless and choosing to stay by his side despite her sufferings, seeing him have YH be queen, etc. And in all honesty, I truly believe that if it was another prince who has an impending death, be it Jung, BA, Eun, or Mu who may have somehow committed whatever heinous crime, she would have begged for his mercy to King Taejo or to So--not just on Wook's behalf--because of their close relationships. (This wasn't too evidently illustrated in this adaptation, but in C-series, Ruoxi had risked her life for 14th prince, felt bad and cried for 10th prince who had no choice in love/marriage, kneeled in the pouring rain for the 13th prince which caused her bad knees, etc.)
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wackycashew
November 1, 2016 at 11:54 AM
The fact that the cat's now out of the bag just gave So reason to attribute his doubts to "facts" and conveniently erase what Su has sacrificed for his sake. For someone who claims to love Su, I found his reaction too extreme. Sure, I understand the fit of rage and jealousy at learning that your enemy was the lover of your current love. But you knew your girl had a past love--and it wasn't you. You were vying for her heart and being patient for her to fall for you no matter who that was. So, whether this past love was Wook or another prince, does it not matter more that she has now chosen you OVER that person??? Doesn't what you've been through together mean anything to you or attest to her love for you already? The issue I have with So is that if you were to think from the flip side... You have married YH, whom Su dislikes. You did it to secure the throne. Yet, Su understood and granted you permission to go ahead despite her own pain and loneliness with this decision. She's even called just a mistress cuz she has no real status with you. She's been dealing with all this heartache and you turn around after what Wook said and just decide that you never want to see her again?! And to assert yourself as the emperor while doing so?! This is what happens when pride got in the way and So just shot himself in the foot by driving that last wedge between his and Su's hearts. By saying that she has only carried Wook in her heart is probably the biggest slap in the face and the most hurtful thing he can say to Su, who by now is so bewildered by this conversation and his lack of understanding of her deep love for him. For me, if I were Su, I'd find it in my heart to eventually forgive and forget all these things because I would probably understand and find closure that So had to kill CR, that So wanted to avenge Mu/Eun/SD's death by planting the dead hawk, etc. But to be accused of not loving So and only loving Wook--this is like the last straw! How can I be so misunderstood?!
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wackycashew
November 1, 2016 at 11:55 AM
With regards to YH accusing Su of being the one to blame... There is a Chinese saying (also used in the C-drama) "始作俑者", which means the person responsible for instigating an action or setting things in motion. Following this logic, what YH said is not completely wrong. If Su had not warned Wook, perhaps nothing would've ever happened. On the other hand, perhaps what's meant to happen will eventually happen regardless of what Su did or said. I would say that other people's actions cannot be blamed on Su, but her involvement directly and indirectly influenced those around her. That's why in the C-drama, when Ruoxi heard this mentioned, it gutted her and caused her to miscarry. She had good intentions and the warning was meant to protect Wook back then since she loved him. But she never recognized Wook would have the political desire to sit on the throne, and ultimately, she can't change fate or history. Of course, other circumstances (a lot involving YH) drove Wook to act the way he did. So, this is a situation where I can understand YH's perspective though I may not fully agree.
*takes a deep breath* Ready for the finale!!
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126 Islander north
November 1, 2016 at 1:24 PM
What good has come from Wang So taking the throne?
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127 Wag-a-muffin
November 1, 2016 at 3:12 PM
Wow, over 100 multi-commented posts!
Either everyone LOVED this drama so much they felt compelled to write. . .
or
Everyone was so disappointed in this drama they felt compelled to rant.
Personally, when I saw the credits roll after episode 19 (and no "coming attractions" I thought, "is this is? Is the show over?"
And then I thought, "yeah. This is as good enough as any place to end it."
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128 WishfulToki
November 1, 2016 at 3:47 PM
Sigh. Yeon Hwa should just have gone all out Mishil-style while she was at it and then crown herself queen... but show seems to be setting her up as the second Queen NoOneCaresAboutHerName, with rose bath and excessive number of candles too.
Essentially, the King Taejo-Lady Oh story is repeating itself, only Lady Oh stayed on in the palace and died, while Hae Soo leaves for reasons that are not completely clear to me. Here's my attempt to understand Hae Soo's mind (help, it's dark in here!):
- 'There is too much blood in our relationship' I think means that many people related to them have died. Eun's death especially in the sense that (apparently) Hae Soo's attempts to save him resulted in Wang So having to kill him (though I don't think that's Hae Soo's fault really).
- Yeon Hwa bullying Hae Soo that she told Wook to be careful with So, thereby fuelling Wook's plots for the throne (though I don't think that's all Hae Soo's fault, but she believes YH). I would have liked Hae Soo to come to this conclusion herself, but throughout she has been someone who seems unaware of the consequences of her actions until someone spells it out for her, usually in a distorted way.
- Ji Mong: I don't get you dude. What is your role in the story? At one point he persuaded Hae Soo that she was not queen material (have to agree). He was directly responsible for the show not going somewhere I was really curious about (WHAT IF HAE SOO BECAME QUEEN?). Once So married YH that was the beginning of the end for me... that it was all 'might have been'. Sigh.
- Chae Ryung: don't get me started on this one. I spent several episodes clamoring for her actions to go punished, so I was completely in agreement with Taco Tuesday. I think it was Wang So telling her after the execution that made her snap: like Baek Ha, Wang So is making decisions on his own (he's king, so why not, plus CR is a spy) with good intentions, except they affect the people he loves. This has always been a flaw in Wang So, like killing all the monks in a misguided attempt to get mommy's approval.
However, at the end of the day I kind of agree with So: 'She threw me away'. Except, So was throwing her away step by step, by confining her into the palace, a far cry from the guy who had wanted to take her to see the stars in far-away places.
In short: when you tell a guy it's ok to be king of Goryeo, you are basically spelling the end of your relationship. Unless of course for Hae Soo the big picture was to make Wang So a good king. If so I can see why she's removing herself, but she also keeps on going about her love. I guess human nature wants both throne and love, but it's proving to be impossible.
Off to watch the finale. I have a bad feeling about this.
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129 EljayEveryday
November 1, 2016 at 4:31 PM
Five minutes into this episode I got extremely pissed at Su and remained that way through the entire episode! I couldn't understand why she was acting this way after all she and So have been through! Then I realized that she is dying. I wouldn't want to live my last days in the palace and it would probably be more devistating for So to watch her die.
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130 Meow
November 1, 2016 at 5:03 PM
I have only these words: This is one effed up drama.
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131 Jin
November 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM
Just finished watching the finale, and I firmly believe that there will be lots of intensively heated discussions on DB once the recap is out. For the time being, I'll take some rest first from the it-could-have-been-better story.
So, this is it, the End of Moon Lovers: Scattered/Shattered Heart Goeryo!
Side question: What on earth is the role of the Moon here?
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StarryNight
November 1, 2016 at 6:57 PM
Re: Your question about the Moon: Probably the subconscious/dreams/hidden things/desires, etc.
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StarryNight
November 2, 2016 at 5:09 AM
Also, the heroine was transported back in time during a solar eclipse, when the moon passes between the sun and the earth, so there is that too.....
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marimari
November 1, 2016 at 6:58 PM
Yes! I am waiting for that dam to break and the flood of angst to come out.
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132 Chocobeans
November 1, 2016 at 7:11 PM
Unfortunately, I did not stick it out and finish watching the drama, but I have faithfully followed these recaps!!!
I have long moved on to the final stage of grief (acceptance), and now I peacefully make an observation: for some reason, even though Nicky Wu is nowhere as goodlooking as LJK, I was still crying buckets and backing up the romance at the end of the series. As much as I love LJK and acknowledge his amazing acting skills, particularly in saeguk, Wang So (and Hae Soo) probably win as the worst OTP in a drama ever.
I might have even seen this hot mess coming in the first few episodes, since Wang So's intense mommy/abandonment/scar issues and Hae Soo's dubious relationship with her brother-in-law (what happened to 21st century sensibilities)? But as they say, hindsight is 20/20....
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marimari
November 1, 2016 at 7:15 PM
I'd say it was fortunate that you did not stick it out. It saved you the emotional whiplash caused by this drama. This will be the last for me for a long long time
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133 raeko
November 2, 2016 at 8:02 AM
"In the vein of Su’s inner monologue, we could say that if we had never watched this show, we would never have had to try to understand an indecipherable heroine. If we didn’t love seeing Lee Jun-ki on screen, we wouldn’t have gotten this far. If things made sense, we wouldn’t have to yearn for explanations. If we knew what Su was saying, we would have something to go on."
- Thank you for perfectly summing up my feelings for this show.
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134 Becca
November 3, 2016 at 6:16 AM
I didn't want to bring up the original up until now because I get that we should evaluate this drama individually, but in this case I think what happened is that the script got lost "in translation". In the original the heroine was very modern and she was very sure that she didn't want to be tied to the palace. It was not a matter of loving or hating someone but of she feeling trapped in such an opressive place being from the future. So this version tried to do the same with Su, but Su is not really interested in being free; up until now she has being defined solely by her love interests, so her deciding to leave out of the blue is really not consistent with this character. It was just done to follow the same story as the original.
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135 Izie
November 12, 2016 at 5:13 AM
It is only today i've watched the 19th episodes after contemplating whether i should finished the drama or not. I agree with HeadsNo2, it is only due to Lee Jun Ki i've tortured myself into watching this. Having said that, I only managed to continue until minutes 15:54 before i turned to dramabeans.com and read the recap as it became unbearable to watch and continue with this storytelling. Why the writer doing this to us? I know my rant is little too late but i still need to vent to dramabeans.
****Still contemplating.......
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136 Wendy
May 9, 2017 at 9:25 AM
Please I beg all of you here who are fans of this show to watch the original. So much better than this.
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137 love4kei
May 11, 2017 at 1:42 AM
I know I'm late to the discussion but I think the one thing that has truly frustrated me about this drama from start to finish is that we STILL haven't found out after 19 episodes, what exactly HS's purpose for time travelling to Goryeo is.
If she was to have any influence on historical events, honestly I don't really see how much of a part she had to play at all other than providing a loveline / heroine and maybe softening Wang So a little - but then ironically, she who didn't even want him to be king ended up sealing his fate?
Also, her mysterious 'illness' that gives her an uncertain amount of time to live - why was that skipped over after the last episode? I mean I guess she has to die in order to return to the 21st century, but there's been no narrative thread whatsoever about whatever purpose she came to fulfill, and while I tried to see this 'illness' as maybe a divine deadline for her in terms of changing history, everything is still murky even at this point when she's decided to become noble idiot #1 and turn away from Wang So when he needs her most. And to that point, does he even know about her illness?? He was scolding the doctor for not letting him know of her condition, but then there was no reaction whatsoever to the fact the end of her lifeline is coming.
I just wish they executed this drama a lot better - all of the angst that we channelled against the directing of this drama could have been better directed at the storyline itself, which pains me because as much as I try to be invested, and shed so many tears, I have a feeling that at the end of it all, it isn't going to be much worth it...
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