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Open Thread #469

by DB Staff

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Happy friday, Beanies!

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Happy Friday! ^^

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I'm so glad it's finally Friday.

Have a good one!

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Happy Friday, everyone! ^^

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I was ultra shocked to see so many Sungjoy/Bbyu fans in the tvN10 Awards posts. ^.^ I always thought there were not many fans on DB. Anyway, that made me really happy.

As a result, I got inspired to share my playlist. ^.^ I watch it when I want to smile or feeeeeel. I seriously look like a dummie when I play the vids. I can't be feeling dumb by myself yes? Sharing is caring, even dumb sharing. ;D

Playlist 1 ~~~ Video based. Peeps, enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=z9lUukFWP8M,bLQD6qOd_Fs,9IHUW5eoHMc,d-7e3lnpGNk,0kZhkUim-
T0,nY_9gpWgWwE,G1V6aPR0GOo,8CESt_Ljov8,iR594AHt_co,ERoKBIOuoVw,A3N_Ep_-0ro,OJMxA3O6KUg,rBSbPI_Amos,0iY1JZNaeL4,ANIJXhYDA9o,XBxDSJNmDJ4,ZtBJe3TOTmw,8l-95D6vGmY,r5TQBCCSLB0,MEkKsE6KuY0

I notice that I have a tendency to like couples who are always bright and having fun together, who don't mope around, who just feed each off with energy. Even if they quarrel or argue, you can visibily see that they're more alive together. Whether reel or real, they're just bright, bumbling, and practically bursting in happiness
together. Even if something bad happens between them, and it's not all sunshine, they don't go into melo mode when they are with each other.

For instance, Seo In Guk and Eunji in 1997.
Louis and Bok Shil in Shopping King Louis.
JCW and PMY in healer, kind of.
Queen In Hyun's Man couple.
Gong Hyo Jin with most partners in dramas. Shin Min Ah same. Jang Nara. Seo In Guk.
I can hear your voice.
Sassy Go Go couple and sub-couple
You From Another Star for JJH's role
And honestly, most couples in the first half of the dramas, before they descend into gloom, doom and ultra-depression mode.
Japanese dramas also are less melo.
C-tw dramas not so much. Love o2o couple though. ^.^

Anyone feel the same?

To me, Sungjoy/BByu are the epitome of having fun together. Plus, they're the cutest couple ever, so super uber awkward but cute in the beginning to super close and cute in the end. ^.^ I don't really waste my time hoping they will be together in real life. What happens happens. I just know I love watching them together being dorks, and grateful we've got to see them together for a while as whatever they are. Joy in particular is impossible to resist. I don't particularly enjoy stanning, but with her, I had no choice. Regardless of what happens, I will have gained a star and good music from Bbyu couple.

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Playlist 1 full list repost (should have 20 vids if uncut)

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=z9lUukFWP8M,bLQD6qOd_Fs,9IHUW5eoHMc,d-7e3lnpGNk,0kZhkUim-T0,nY_9gpWgWwE,G1V6aPR0GOo,8CESt_Ljov8,iR594AHt_co,ERoKBIOuoVw,A3N_Ep_-0ro,OJMxA3O6KUg,rBSbPI_Amos,0iY1JZNaeL4,ANIJXhYDA9o,XBxDSJNmDJ4,ZtBJe3TOTmw,8l-95D6vGmY,r5TQBCCSLB0,MEkKsE6KuY0

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Playlist 2 ~~~ Background Music based (songs I like). I mostly use it now as background music when I browse around since I like all the songs in it, plus, I've watched it so many times, I practically can picture the scenes by just listening. Ooopsies. ^.^

Feel free to use it as your own background music playlist when browsing if the songs match your taste. Who knows, you can discover a new song in here. ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=K6OuO7B8jbM,19ixnmetRpU,xDveeLEXyCc,iicXu5qKHZM,cyY4BJV5ILI,q0_Hbm2Qdm0,kvPBaM5EwrE,vRnlFpX9C7Y,YnsZf6vFeBw,fbge5b15cLc,dvPgM9tm2ok,eeC00NhOOi8,Ud4ZreMpQkM,emJUVbN-Nuc,MQgC4SHMUOs,kh8UKYWJYE4,MkfB0FIcoAs,jcgvGU41SWs,7S-lcDA30lA,ppG7PjWtI88

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Oh well. Might as well share more of my BByu playlists while I have Links page open. ^.^

Playlist Official Sungjoy MV, couple Live performances, a few subtitled clips and full episodes, a few unaired from the ending episodes, and performances from official youtube channel and more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=YXezCog3cms,6EWAW-y5mUs,4YX9BiOJZh8,D5Jlobn0b3w,TjZHKqw_oMY,UTcfooRgFZQ,ZMd8D-s5gqE,g-i774iBjqs,o5plxnNudhk,qXb5r9N12tY,VgPxR1Lul3s,o_jUEB0CUV8,LJhifHLCPLc,pKSnkhW2zeE,Ce99HYc3m34,kF6ppOJFM-4,TKPKqPytxQI,896zQzSUQD0,5pA18cQ5EXs,ZjekhM-hGvA

I never finished this one. It has a few good songs and clips. ^.^

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=emJUVbN-Nuc,xNo0KRi9LWo,wg9UyO1Shcw,yWbfJ859Mjg,XLKMAGrVsnU,pJHAIwj8SZA,xgFM97Dmc1Q,R7TWlX-qGV4,d_lq5FcKU0o,4Lu7PkLrTKE,lKe0Bkg6fRc,NPyLS625QEA

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U said perfectly what I've always felt about sungjoy! What I like most about them, is that they stopped acting careful around each other real quick, whilst always being respectful to each other and maintaining consideration for each other from beginning to end. I fell in love with their relationship because of how natural and yet thoughtful they were with each other. I want to be joy and get a sungjae for myself! The only regret I have is that I didn't get to follow them until really late in the game, so I missed out all the out-of-filming moments live.

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since everyone here is sharing their favourite BTOB cover, here's mine.

I like it mainly because of Sungjae's sex hair. ;) :D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9mgFWLHM-M

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Sungjae's duet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5G_BoVxT4

Sex hair Sunjae isn't here. But his hair is so soft and glossy I still love it.

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And the best part about this performance, is the bromance between Zea Hyungsik and Sungjae. :D :D :D

I'm pretty sure the two hot boys were supposed to hate each other... the reality is that I found the scene when Sungjae took Hyungsik's hand hilarious. I hope they get to act together someday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNj0ecmGyK8

Also, Sungjae's sex hair returns. Yes, my favorite performances by Sungjae are measure by how much I like his hair. I'm shallow like that. :D Sue me.

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"SEX HAIR" HAHAHAHAHA

You crack me up. I'm not judging. ^^

Hyungsik also had sex hair btw in that vid, if you noticed. Both boys look half-grown up there. Not bad not bad.

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Thank you for posting this where it's easier to see. I'm having trouble keeping up with all the updated links. Everytime I come back, it seems like I keep missing some.

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Anyone can make a compilation post? Or even a playlist?

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I second Desiree's request!!!!

There's so many links hidden here and there, I sometimes miss the posts where there's only one link.

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I began making a playlist. But I have to head to school, finish a paper and turn it in. Hopefully I'll have it done in a few hours. It's just the musical vidoes. Not the Wgm and such.

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thank you so much for compiling your playlists. It took me a day to finish watching all of them, but I'm glad I did because they made me smile. And smiling is a rare thing for me nowadays (I have major depression unfortunately). I think you shouldn't have labelled your second playlist as audio only because I also watched the vids there, and I think they're great (but I prefer the fanvids in your first playlist).

You have no idea how much your videos helped. Wanted you to know that. It's generous beanies like you that makes going through life a bit better for me. DB has been such a great source of strength.

I haven't watched sungjoy yet (my last wgm couple was song jae rim and kim so eun) but after watching the fanvids, I want to. I hope I can find the time.

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Aw...... My brother is currently taking meds for depression so I know how taxing it is. He dropped out of his Doctorate program but his health is the most important. Hwaiting!! Himnae!! Hang in there, and even though today, and tomorrow might suck, you'll be glad for the day when it doesn't. I believe in that. (Have you watched Kill me Heal Me?)

I think music is wonderful. It also helps my brother a lot when he plays the piano or violin so we installed a soundproof room for him to play. I think it's wonderful Jane's playlist helped you. There's something healing about fanvids. The videos can make you smile, and the music also helps you feel more alive. I don't have depression myself but it also works for me.

Let me know if I can help.

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@Michelle K is it a new diagnosis or past but agitated at the moment?

I have bipolar ii, a "lesser" bipolar. Basically I have a lower high and a longer low. Yay! dripping with sarcasm.

It's difficult to go through especially if you're alone. I was the first person to have symptoms that I know but was diagnosed only recently. The people with mental health issues I know irl, had been dealing with the named problem longer and weren't much help. It's slowly getting better, though. And for me, knowing helps me learn the pattern and deal more successfully. 9 year old me and no idea what to do.

Message me if you need a song to help. I have a bunch.
My mental health IG is: cause.i.am_superwoman
My public g+ is: Eli Lykbae - works on hangouts
My Pinterest is: Purple Owl with a picture of Chanyeol from EXO

I may not reply immediately because frankly I'm on too much technology: kpop, kdrama, jdorama, anime, western tv, movies, documentaries, Wikipedia journeys.... what's life? Lol. But I will get back for sure.

Hwaiting, dear!

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I usually lurk cuz I'm a dude so... yeah... that's that. But after reading Michelle's comment down this page on Anna, I wanted to leave some words of encouragement. I'm replying here so hopefully you can see them. Don't hate yourself too much. Think of yourself as on a journey to discover yourself, and don't expect perfection from yourself. Nobody was born knowing how to walk, or talk, and everybody makes mistakes with friendships, family, love. We're all on a journey together, so don't feel too lonely. It's okay to cry and feel down, but know we're all in this life together. Think of what you're going through as an experience that you can use later to empathize with another person going through the same thing you are in a way other people can't. You will be of help, I guarantee it.

@Purple Owl How brave and generous of you to share. I think just sharing can be already of great help so it's even nicer of you to offer assistance.

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@stephaniel I nearly cried reading your comment. You sound like you understand. Have you got experience?

@Purple Owl I also have BPII, w remittant rapid cycling. I somehow learnt to deal w it before it was diagnosed when I was young. As much as one can anyway. I sensed the pattern and learnt to recognize signs instinctively the way I did w menstruation. Haha. I think the rapid cycling helped me knew something was off, even though it was hard to deal w. What the clinical diagnosis helped me w was knowing I was not "abnormal" and it was a condition experienced by others too.

@Michelle K Oh sweetie. I read your comment below on K2. It's not selfish to like a character you can empathize w. It's human. Don't mind what others think too much. If Anna is annoying to the majority but not to you, that does not make you lesser, it makes you more loving. Courage!

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I already left DB. I posted an hour ago below about BtoB songs. Had to return here when it just occured to me that I can share these "healing songs" with you. It would nag me for the rest of the day if I didn't come back here after writing such a long post below and spending time on it, and then not bothering to come back for even a small amount of time when it could actually helped. I would feel neomu mianhe.

I believe the lyrics of these songs might help you feel a bit better as they are comforting. BtoB is labelled as a "Healing Idols" because of these songs.

Hopefully these lyrics will help you deal w your pain.

It's Okay video w english lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLhOtOlbrbI

Way Back Home - English lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g71_WdcXoRk

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This is creepy af. How are the lyrics in those two songs exactly the same message as the message in the other comments. Heoooool. Daebak.

Thx for the recommendation. I don't have depression & I still loved the lyrics. Especially It's Okay. Simple Plan's Welcome to my life and Robbie Williams' Feel are my life's anthem songs. I am reeling from shock I'm feeling the same about It's Okay. I mean it's a Korean song. Heoooool. WUT?

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@Michelle K

Sharing Big Byung's Stress Come on! MV with subs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_coVR9c3Fho

Big Byung is a parody group comprised of members Sungjae, VIXX N & Hyuk, got7 Jackson. The lyrics are also fitting for you. :D :D I personally think it's a healing song.

Also try MC Sniper Better than yesterday to find strength.

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@stephaniel thanks. I'm pretty open about my mental health because I spent so many years confused and want to help spread the word so people don't wait to find out. And I'm all for assisting each other. We're all in this togethe, cue Hugh School Musical (I'm a huge HSM fan)

Can I ask why you lurk as a dude? I love hearing the male beanies opinions. But fangirling isn't named that for no reason so I can understand if fanboying with us is awkward.

@SaTi thank you for mentioning rapid cycling. I'd forgotten about its existence. I first suspect bipolar around 12 years old but it didn't quite fit. I learned about rapid cycle at that time. When I got diagnosed with BPii within the last two years,it didn't stand out in my research. Idk why but it seemed like that was everyone. I guess my experience seems the norm to me lol

I'm glad you could track early on. When I was a child I just pretended I was fine. And never thought about triggers or signs. I'm also just noticing with my menstruation too, so maybe I'm just a delayed noticer ?

I know what you mean about the clinical diagnosis. It makes things so much clearer. It's kinda like being on Mars and finding a food you don't like. You know you didn't eat it, so there must be other humans there too. And while you may never find them irl, especially when you're not much a fan of groups, you know someone under the same sky is dealing with something under your diagnosis umbrella.

I was going to check out the BtoB songs later but I'm listening now. I'm not the best Melody, more of a part timer. So I missed these songs. *need to be in less fandoms*

I really, really like It's Okay. The message is great. I like the music for Way Back Home. I didn't realize what the nickname "Healing Idols" meant. I thought it was just because they were attractive and cute in personality. Now I see that it applies to their sound.

@jaguar & momo yassssss! For the Simple Plan reference. I also love "Perfect". I used to have it memorized for when people were frustrating me. Now, it's about 75% there.

I haven't heard the Robbie Williams song in years. Thanks for mentioning it.

Are you not into k-music? It's cute how your reeling from It's Okay ??

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I cut off because I only had about 800 characters left and I'm known to be long winded. But then realized I only had one more person to respond to, fail.

@little lettuce omo, I haven't thought of Big Byung in forever and a day. I loved that song when it came out. I listened to the other one and contemplated going on a Big Byung marathon but I have to be up in 8 hours so I probably shouldn't.

The best thing about that song is it's relatable. On the surface, there are things like "seriously that stressful?" and other things that are like "I'd have several panic attacks" but really, all of those things can weight on a person and keep them up at night and ruin a day or relationship. It's overly simplistic and that's what makes it such a meaningful song. And it's already affecting "my mix" on YouTube lol

Thanks for the share!

P.S. Yeah that wouldn't have fit with the characters I had left, kekeke

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Contributing my share of "healing songs." I never knew that was a thing.

Freshwater Eel's Dream (Shin Hae Chul), sang by Gukkatsen Ha Hyun Woo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-8YXPJgm1M

It's pretty metaphorical but works for me like a run would. I feel a bit refreshed after listening to it. The lyrics don't fit your situation like the others songs do. I find it amazing Beanies know music so well they could find the right songs. I'm not as knowledgeable.

I knew of BtoB's Korean songs but I just checked out their Japanese's songs thanks to Beanies here. I usually don't follow idols' Japanese activities. I'm on their 2nd Jp album right now, and both albums so far have been great. The music is more my style than the Korean ones. I like fresh songs. Wouldn't have know about them without Beanies. :D

@Purple Owl Well, I imagine it's the same feeling for stephaniel to talk on here the way girls would feel at a conventionally male-populated place or activities. It was really interesting reading about Bipolar: thanks for sharing :D I'm also an HSM fan (or used to. Knew all the lyrics by heart).

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@Marian

That song was beautiful. Was that "King of Masked Singer"?

Yeah, it seems some of us beanies have melomania, kekeke (an abnormal love of music). Everyone always yells me I'll grown out of it around my mid to late 20s but I can't imagine life without the perfect song for every moment lol

I guess I get that about one gender populated area. Everything I know about sports, cars, and such seems to become less significant when I'm outnumbered by guys. Hmm, might challenge myself to speak up more.

It's interesting because I was recently discussing stereotypes with a group and what ones we are not ashamed to fall under. Mine was "black people love fruit drinks/anything" all the other black heritage people there love grape. Grape was the best thing ever. But for me it was orange.

Sorry, I went off on a tangent but it just fascinates me that people can fall under the same category "black" "k-entertainment fans" "beanies" "car fans" and have a range of approaches to the same situation. Psychology is amazing.

I'm glad you appreciated the discussion on Bipolar II. It's always nice to share with receptive people.

I watched each HSM when they premiered, or in 3's case went to the cinema to see it. The songs have been popping up on my YouTube so it's slowly taking over my life again, lol

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I remember being crazy about Zac Efron back in the day. Only briefly though. Now, he does nothing for me, it's fascinating. ^^

I'm not sure what you mean by grapes and oranges.

First time I heard of Melomania in my life! I like it. At first, I thought it was some kind of melanine disease. ^^

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@Purple Owl

Masked singer episode 43 and 44 was music commander (HHW) first time appearance. His Round 3 performance is the most watched Masked singer video of all episodes. I recommend watching both episodes for greater shock effect. Sungjae is in the panel for EP43 & EP44 as well. He predicted msuci commander would win in Round 2.

http://kshowonline.com/kshow/4391-%5Bengsub%5D-king-of-mask-singer-ep.43

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Fail. I forgot to tell you, Dream of freshwater eel is in Round 2.

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To Michelle. Here is a message from Sungjae to you. Granted it's in Engrish and hilariously bad, but that's the point right? Cheer up.

https://youtu.be/suUvlwqQAtg?t=37

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Ugh! This is why I disregard S.coups appa's birth date and call Sungjae my closest oppa.

I remember I multi-fandom g+ question about who you would take to prom: Sungjae, Chen, Baek or 2 others I can't remember now. And even though I'm EXO trash and Chen & Baek would totally be my best friends irl, I had to choose YSJ.

How could I not? He's so cute! "Be happy. Right? 'It's Okay'..." sigh

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Ok, so past midnight me fangirl more than usual. Wow!

I'm going to sleep *or more likely going to my room to watch kdramas and/or listen to more kpop and U.S. country*

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kkkkkkkkkk Purple Owl's fangirling is so cute.

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I'm glad someone finds it cute. Rarely do I find that in real life kekeke. Too many of my friends aren't deep in fandom life.

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since everyone here is sharing their favourite BTOB cover, here's mine.

I like it mainly because of Sungjae's sex hair. ;) :D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9mgFWLHM-M

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I used to like Sungjae in 2015 Who are u? But since this Louis debacle and SIG being belittled, I can't stand watching him. His fans gave me a bad taste, and now, I can't watch him. Perhaps I'll use ur list of vids when I've cooled down later.

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to make it clear, this is not aimed at u. I think some idols fans ruin it for the rest. Shows the difference between kpop idols fans and drama actor fans to me. But not u, just in general.

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Eh? Can someone explain? What did Sungjae and his fans do? I agree, idol fans can be irritating sometimes. Long sigh. What did those fans do this time.

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Go to #15 comments. I have rarely seen a group as aggressive, hostile and petty as this. Their lack of self-awareness was so extreme it became a comedy.

http://www.dramabeans.com/2016/10/shopping-king-louis-episode-6/

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To be fair, the OP isn't a Sung Jae fan & wasn't aggressive, hostile or petty. And that case doesn't put the best light on SIG fans either.

I am a fan of both and found them the same year. This back and forth is tiring.

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I'm a fan of neither (don't jump at me for it, I don't stan guys easily). I'm not watching Shopping King either. Read the thread after coming here, and from my point of view, I am very puzzled and don't understand where the problem is coming from that made people so sensitive. I saw a lot of insecurity going around. People weren't being rational and just attacking from pent-up gut feelings rather than from the situation. Just my two cents.

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I am an outsider, never joined Shopping King Louis recap talk, but quite a fan of Seo In-guk. Judging from the way the conversation got out of hand, I'm thinking this was all a huge misunderstanding and probably infused with some bottled up anger. The OP didn't mean anything harm by her post and couldn't even imagine it'd be misunderstood, so another beanie corrected her by reminding to watch the wording, it got out of hand because everyone read the post differently and wanted to give their piece of mind. This can be quite discouraging, especially for those who tend to lurk, why let this wonderful place where we get to share our thoughts and opinions becomes a fandom warplace that's too intimidating to be in? One beanie can make a difference, sometimes me need to learn to walk away and keep our mouth shut.

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Correction: sometimes we* need to learn to walk away and keep our mouth shut.

I guess my head was telling me I need to shut my mouth too, lol.

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15+ alpha to maryxiah comment

It's credit to beanies that even out of that train wreck, we've got several comments like yours which could analyze the situation objectively. Clap clap.

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lol, I'm feeling pretty much the same except its directed at petty SIG fans. Just. Please. Stop. But I love SIG's works too much especially as of late, to have his fans deter me from doing so. Spread positive vibes please.

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ebd are talking about sungjae fans, but all I see is a bunch of SIG fans bullying and calling out sungjae's "fans"

I've looked at the posts and there's barely anyone identifying themselves as sungjae's fans. it's just all SIG fans being prejudiced and scapegoating sungjae's fans and assuming ebd and their mother who mention sungjae or disagree with them must be sungjae's fans. I've never seen something so ridiculous in my life. if I had to become a fan of anyone I mentioned on the internet, or said they reminded me of someone, or even watched a drama or variety show with them on it, I wouldn't have time to sleep, let alone make a living to pay my bills.

speaking of which, I had a super positive image of SIG and he's just my style of dorkiness and was considering stanning him seriously for a few months but I'm deciding against it today. stanning is only fun if you do it with people you like. I guess I'll just be a casual fan, follow him in IG and watch his dramas.

I already have an ultimate kpop bias - I'm a Primadonna.

I was looking for a drama bias I could stan and stalk news of on twitter and forums and stuff.
before considering SIG, I also considered LMH, KSH, JGS, and more. seems like I don't have good taste in choosing fandoms. I'm now considering maybe Lee Seung Gi, Yoon Si Yoon, or Park Bo Gum?

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Park Bo Gum's fandom is good.

I'm sorry you've had a difficult time finding a k-bias fandom. Imo, people say fandom is family but you can stan whoever you like without forcing yourself to like other fans. People are crazy. I'm not giving up Seo In Guk & Yook Sung Jae because of anyone besides themselves.

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@Purple Owl

I second u!! Park Bogum's fandom is great. His fans aren't uber protective it's stiffling, and are quite tolerant of his ships (Borene being the most prominent). Plus, he's so nice, we don't get opportunities to act as knights anw bc people just love him.

I can also suggest Jung Il Woo's or Ji Chang Wook's.

I understand where she's coming from because a large part of what's fun about stanning is social interactions with similar minded people. So it makes sense that if the environment in which you find information about your bias is negative, it becomes no fun. It's hard to stan in isolation. Fangirling is possible, but stanning is different.

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Just passing by to say quick thank you to you. I was just going to lurk, but after spending more than an hour on DB with PL numero dos as a companion, I feel bad if I didn't say anything. lol. Great music. I'm going to try PL uno even if you suggested it as video. Ha.

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Would not have known any of this was going on if I had not read it here.

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I don't even know what this is about but trust me, we already have one badly-behaved actor fandom that comes out of the woodwork on db on occasion - we do NOT need another! Or a third.

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I hope you're not being deceived by Lady F into actually believing that there is any reason at all to reproach so-called sungjae fans.

The worst "offense" (I'm laughing as I even type the word) I've seen anyone do against Seo Inguk, is mention that people are curious about how Sungjae would have played Louis, since they observed how similar Louis was to Sungjae's real-life character.
The problem started when people read between the lines from those remarks that it means Seo Inguk's acting skills are being slighted and took offense. Added to that, they labelled the people who wrote those remarks as Sungjae fans even if they didn't identify as such in their remarks to create fanwars.

I have not seen a single person disrespect, insult, or demean Seo Inguk, so I find it ridiculous that his fans are feeling disrespected when he was being praised.

And fyi, I'm a bystander Shawol, not a Sungjae's fan (adding this in case people want to jump to conclusions) who watched the whole circus go on and couldn't stand the bullying.

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I'm not being "deceived", thank you.

I've seen the thread in question following my previous comment, and it's my honest opinion that there was some passive-aggressive pot-stirring there and both sides need to stop, NOW, no matter whether people speaking up for one side or another specifically identify themselves as "fans" or not.

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yeah, agreed w/ pogo. that's what I've got from the comments as well.

It was basically people who got offended on behalf of sig versus people defended those attacked.

I think both sides shouldn't have interacted at all. Although in this case, there's clearly one side that's definitely more in the wrong than the other imo.

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I hope all of you will not see all of us inguk's fan too badly just because several of us went berserk. I'm his fan too and I didn't approve of the bullying. Not all his fans found the comparisons upsetting. I haven't watched any Sungjae dramas but I don't dislike him so I hope you won't dislike us either. I agree we went way out of line. I too, don't like conflicts. Not all guk's fans are bad. Only a few are over-sensitive and protective. Trust me.

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@Michelle K

It was hard to catch that train wreck after OT. I caught up on this week's eps and went to the recap for . And was like O_O!

I'm a fan of both. I was into kpop first but got introduced to In Guk in 2012 around the time BTOB debuted. And it was all about them being an adorable brother like pair.

Reading the discussion was a struggle because I can't choose a side. Not that I want to. But seeing as there were no proclaimed melodies in that particular post, it felt very one sided this time.

Trust me, I've been with both long enough to know the comparisons will never die down nor should they. And I've heard it's been an issue in previous SKL comments. I think I only read 1 or 2 so that's probably why I missed it.

It just rips me up inside to see two fandoms for such great people fighting, especially when I'm in both fandoms. I'll never dislike either side because the boys earned my admiration.

Thanks for your comment. It made me smile.

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I'm not a Melody but I like BtoB enough to watch out for their comebacks. I think I know what you're talking about. I've watched the videos where Sungjae and Seo In Guk interacted. Seems like both had fun w their similar appearances. Don't get the big deal and why fans took it so far. I think it's not fandom fighting. It makes sense that no many Melody were in the SKL post since Sungjae isn't in the drama. Probably the reason you found it one-sided. So many Seo In Guk defenders. Result is nobody opposed them at first and they probably felt secured being bold. Luckily, they were reigned in by bystanders and fellow Seo In Guk fans when things got too far.

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@SaTi
I'm more of a Yook Sungjae fan than Melody, lol. I noticed him when they debuted but R94 is when he went way up on my radar. Now I've seen him in 2 more dramas and seen countless videos of him. Might also have a Pinterest board mainly dedicated to him but whatever ?

They really are so cute together right?! Like however cute they are apart becomes 100x when they are together. Why can't our fandoms be the same? ?

I wouldn't be surprised by multi-fandom Melody. I was just expecting to see at least one. And I don't want to prolong the issue, especially when I like the second commenter, but using "you ____ fans" only makes sense when the person has already mentioning being one.

I'm glad db doesn't have profile pics because that stirs a lot of issues, even in one fandom. Can't even count the times fellow EXO-Ls have hated on a comment just because my pic/name mention Chanyeol. Like, what?

But yes, I was proud of both SIG and other beanies for calmly analyzing the situation and explaining both sides. Db has the most logical disagreements anywhere online.

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@purple owl on this week's Beans of Wisdom, fans showed them together. So cute. <3

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For cutest couple, I'm nominating Doctors, and Hong sisters dramas. Also CP and Raon from MDBC!!! Kim So Eun and Kim Bum in BOF.

Haven't had time to watch your playlist but I did listen to Playlist 2 during the time it took me to finish reading the hundreds of comments on this post. Love it. You have great taste in music. Will watch the vids when I have time. I've never watched WGM before.

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ppyu fan reporting!!

wow. tq very muchie for the playlists. I now know that I won't be bored during my free "gap" times. hehehe. I'm looking forward to smiling non-stop because of the cute couple.

I think there's not many wgm fans on db because the site doesn't recap it. and I know jb and gf don't like the reel-mance. for me, I don't care if it's reel or real. if it's real, congrats to them, and if it's reel, give them the oscars I say!

@lily great choices.

the couples in Flower Boys series are also very cute.
I also nominate Nodame and Chiaki senpai.

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I love all the Flower Boy couples but Next Door with PSH & YSY are my fav, closely followed by Sung Joon & Jo Boa.
I was contemplating Nodame & Chiaki. I think my favorite representation of them thus far is the anime version.

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@Jenna CHIAKI SENPAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

@Purple Owl Hi five gurl. I also love PSH & the Enrique best out of the 3.

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Nodame and Chiaki are just adorable together ♡♡

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I'm a fan of classical music so I watched Nodame Cantabile the drama first before I tried the japanese version. It was wacky as hell but loved the discography chosen.

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"for me, I don’t care if it’s reel or real. if it’s real, congrats to them, and if it’s reel, give them the oscars I say!"

That sentence reminds me of another Legendary (Barney anyone?) cute couple. Their chemistry and visual slayage on-screen is perfect for me.

Jai and Feed's Battlefield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vShol-mFbaQ

If their chemistry is not the best you've seen, you need to get your eyes checked. Visually, they also remind of the Bbyu couple, another of my faaabulosa Legendary couples (Barney miss you so much).

As for other korean dramas couples. Lemme see.

The Woman Who Still Wants To Marry w/ Kim Bum
I need romance series.
All of you practically listed everything it's unfair. pout pout.

@Jane Thanks for the playlists. I'm listening to the first one right now. I like it.

@All commenters. So nice of you to share fanvids and music here just because Michelle said it's helping her. The downside is I'm going to have to spend time watching everything. pout pout. Lucky me, I already know some Btob songs listed there. Great group. Up side, I can now spend my weekend with good music. :D :D Also, wave wave to fellow ARMY-Starlight-Monbebe if you're out there.

@Michelle Hopefully my fanvid helped you. As for song recommendation, I recommend Btob's Thriller, Insane, You can cry on top of those already listed.

Ciao. Have a great day!!

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I haven't watched lakorn in years, or pinoy dramas too. wat a cute couple.

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@little lettuce

Thank you for the video. I'm going to bookmark it and check out the drama one day. I'm trying to explore a range of countries and cultures.

Plus, they're cute from the bit that I saw.

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My cousin used to be crazy about Jai and Feed couple. I completely forgot about them but my facebook timeline had her posts frequently. :")
Never checked them out and now, she's going to be so happy that I will. She nagged at me forever and more back then. Well, at least I will watch more fan music videos of them before I commit myself. That was a very well made fan music video. I'm looking at her list of videos right now, and I see some korean dramas I recognize. I will watch them first, and then watch her other Jai and Feed videos (priorities).

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@lily

If u've never watched WGM, BByu couple is a great start.

(tip, the link has music)
Episodes subbed here:
http://sungjoyfamily.blogspot.com/p/episodes.html

Also kshowonline has full episodes and kshowdaily has couple episodes.

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Fav WGM ship for me is still goguma couple. Used to be lettuce couple before things went south with KHJ. Eh.

Will watch the clips later and see if I want to watch Sungjoy. I didn't watch them yet cuz I was hardcore heartbroken about the Taebi ship but Sungjoy are so legendary by now I'm changing my mind. Heh.

Great list of couples.

I want to add Dream High Suzy and Kim Soo Hyun. IU and Wooyoung.
OMG PBY was adorbssss with Chef.
Surplus Princess was cute too.

Marriage not dating couple.

Splash splash love (Dojoon - Kim Seulgi)

Producers (Kim Soo Hyun - IU)

Will it snow for Christmas both adults (Go Soo - Han Ye Seol) and children couple (Nam Ji Hyun - Kim Soo Hyun).

Personally, I don't mind if the couples mope a bit. But they should always try to be positive regardless and/or be proactive about their situation.

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Cutest couples for me would also include:

Marriage Not Dating couple

Oh My Ghostess three-way "couple"

Oh Hae Young Again main couple AND couple with Anna & PDK's brother

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I really like Anna & bro couple. ^^ People overlook them. Elevator kiss hehehehe

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I haven't watched WGM but have promised myself I would start with Sungjoy because of the love they get and a little because of Taebi.

I was back and forth on Dream High main OTP just because I didn't want to join the wrong ship. But Suz and KSH were life. I was so happy I was right, whereas my friend hates when I even mention that drama. I can't believe I forgot about Milk Couple. I still call Wooyoung "Jason!" Always said with the exclamation.

Every other couple yoy mentioned I haven't seen yet. But since I agree with you for other couples, I'm looking forward to those too.

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ermagerd @Purple Owl you HAVE to watch Splash Splash Love. It's only a few episodes but super popular online
https://www.viki.com/tv/29455c-splash-splash-love

I was on the right ship for dream high from the beginning hohoho. lolz. (imma just pretend dh2 didn't exist). it was the 1988 ship I got wrong. I was swearing on melife she would end up with jy but she ended up w/ taek. the problem was i wasn't upset at all bc from the beginning, i said she can have the other two, I'll have taek for myself. lolz.

bbyu (sungjoy official couple name) is great. most people didn't like how shy and awkward they were @ first, or wanted sungjai to be more romantic but i found them mega cute from the first

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I know, I know. I just haven't yet for some reason. I think it's because I always have something to watch.

I got the R88 ship wrong, but was okay because of the foreshadowing and I took my time watching it so I didn't get full spoilers but I heard the commotion. If that makes any sense.

My anime brain was on for R88 and I wanted the tsundere to speak up but wasn't upset when Taek confessed. What's funny to me is its was my third Bo Gummie drama but he didn't really pull me in. I think it was the episode length and the whole family/neighborhood aspect the previous 2 didn't have. But it was my first drama with RJY and I was like I know BG can be gorgeous and just bae, IRY & TC, but he just was not in R88. But to each their own.

What was your first Park Bo Gum drama?

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I'm butting your conversation. I'm a PBG trash. lol. I see his name, I come in.

First PBG drama was 1988, but I like him best in I Remember You. His Crown Prince in Moonlight is also great.

I was on the wrong ship for 1988 too but wasn't angry about it. It was good fun. Surplus Princess is another drama where tons of people got the ship wrong but imo, worth checking out for the crazy.

You'll be pleasantly surprised by Splash splash once you decide to see it. It's only 2 episodes anw, the length of a feature movie 2hr+ so it's not that much.

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@Sena @zebradebra

I am very picky when it comes to watching WGM. I tried Sungjoy but eventually dropped them. They are cute, but didn't keep me interested.

My all time favourite WGM couple would be the Solim Couple. And currently I am loving the 33 Couple (Jota and Jinkyung).

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My top 5 are LTE couple, 33 couple, Ansol, Brownies (SY&JH) and Ppyu. You have 2 out of 5 in common with me!!!

My top girls are KJK, Sora, GSY, Joy, Yura, Caolu, Hwangbo, Yewon. I also like Bomi by default, but I don't if I will like her as a wife yet.

I also enjoy watching everyone else so I'm not very picky in that sense. When everyone hated the Caocao couple, I liked them. Probably the difference between us.

As for ppyu, I dropped them at first. Around episode 4 if I remember correctly. Was too busy going to the beach back then. *flips hair* Then caught up to them when Amber appeared and the rest is history. But I know a lot of people like you too. It's all a matter of taste if you think about it. Some of the legendary couples like Khuntoria, Goguma, Ant, Alex Shinae and more all got people who don't like them.

I remember a lot of people saying ppyu was too awkward and young for them. Or that Sungjae wasn't proactive enough. I think people who like ppyu might navigate on the more young and innocent side. Their fans are more active on SNS like Instagram and Youtube compared to other couples. Probably on the younger side. Well, I can't say I'm young anymore sincce all my friends are already mothers except for me. But I'm probably young at heart. I'm going to blame that for the reason why I don't like settling down yet. Teehee.

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Discussion about WGM! I can talk for hours!! WOoooh!

Legendary couples:
Romantic Alex & Shinae
Andy Solbi
Ant Couple
Lettuce couple
Gundam couple
Adam Couple
Goguma couple
Khuntoria couple
First Love couple
Dimple couple
2Young couple
Jjongah couple
Solim couple
Brown eyed couple
Sungjoy couple
Leggo couple

My personal top 10
1. Sungjae & Joy
2. Soeun & Jaerim
3. Andy & Solbi
4. Leeteuk & Sora
5. Kwanghee & Sunghwa
6. Seohyun & Yonghwa
7. Jin Kyung & Jota
8. Joon young & Yumi
9. Henry & Yewon
10.this one is hard.... but I'm going with Cao Lu and Seho.

Maybe I should have had a cutoff of 20 instead. ^^

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I forgot to list my top female and male cast.

Top 15 Female

1. Joy
2. Jin Kyung
3. Hwangbo
4. Seo In Young
5. So Eun
6. Yoonji
7. Yura
8. Gain
9. Joonhee
10. Jinyoung
11. Sora
12. Cao Lu
13. Seungyeon
14. Naeun
15. Jungin

Top 15 Male

1. Jae Rim
2. Jo Kwon
3. Sungjae
4. Jota
5. Joonyoung
6. Eric
7. Andy
8. Kwanghee
9. Minseok
10. Siyang
11. Yonghwa
12. Jungchi
13. Nickhun
14. Jonghyun
15. Seho

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@ollie

I think the reason people are bored with Sungjoy is the same reason people like them. Sungjoy are more about being shy with skinship, subtle signs of taking care, and many people like outright romantic couples. For me, the couple reminds me of how I was during my teens (except I wasn't as funny). I enjoy the nostalgia of it.

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Wow Xiao Meng. You've seen many couples :O

I've only watched Solim, Sungjoy, Ddongie, Goguma, Khuntoria, and a few others. I think 10 at most.

Top 3: Sungjoy, Solim, Adam

Top 5 females (no particular order): Joy, Soeun, Sora, Seohyun, Yura

Top 5 males: Jaerim, Eric, Sungjae, Nickhun, (?)

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I must admit I didn't watch a lot of the WGM Couples. I don't know 2 of the 5 you listed (Ansol & Brownies). It's not that I dislike the Bbyu Couple. I legit just lost interest. I actually saw a lot of their episodes, probably close to half of their episodes but fell behind due to being busy and then didn't feel that need to catch up on them. I was fine to let them go. Same with CaoCao Couple, I just wasn't interested in watching Se Ho and CaoLu be virtually married. I don't know Cao Lu that well but I've seen Se Ho in Roommate. Solar & Eric didn't interest me either.

I guess when I say I'm picky, I really mean I lose interest really fast, lol, even if I like the celebrities.

The only WGM Couples that I've managed to finish their run are

Soeun & Jaerim
Seohyun & Yonghwa
Henry & Yewon
Oh Yeon Seo and Lee Joon
Lee Jong Hyun & Gong Seung Yeon

You can probably tell I didn't started WGM from Season 1 and the only 'old' couple I watched was Seohyun & Yonghwa (my first WGM watch).

Currently I only watch the 33 Couple but I am giving Bomi & Taejoon a chance. So far it is interesting. I'll see how far they can keep me interested.

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delurking because WGM is awesome :D

What's with the sudden new posts today. OT tends to be dead by Monday usually.

@Ollie Your list of Top 5 is my list except for Ansol couple. I've never watched them. Not sure who I can replace them with. Maybe Caocao couple? Or Taeun. (it was good while it lasted)

@Xiao Meng WOWZA. I don't think I've seen half of those couples. I heard about most of the legendary couple you've talked about, but some of them, it's hard to find subs nowadays.

@Desiree Legit list. I'm noticing Joy is at the top for most of you. :D More than my teenage years, Sungjae and Joy are goals for me. I wished I could be as direct with expressing my affection and dislikes to my bf as they did with each other. It's why I can identify with Sungjae. I'm basically Sungjae in my relationship. I joke around because I'm too shy the moment things get serious, but I take care of my boyfriend for little things (then get disappointed because he doesn't notice my gestures :D He always complain that I should be more affectionate and I always reply "Are you a kid?" because I'm too shy, and then give him a kiss. :D )

@realiti For Cao Lu & Seho, and Sungjoy, their latter episodes were the best ones imo. At least, that's the general consensus cuz most of Sungjoy's 1million + on youtube videos (about 10 or so) are from the large number episodes. And on kshowonline, most of the top comments wit the episodes a little after Sungjoy left were about CaoCao couple and how they were the realest couple people have seen. I haven't watched Bomi & Taejoon yet. I usually wait for about 5~10 episodes before I start a couple.
I loved Lee Joon in wgm, so I was so sad when that dating controversy appeared. Henry and Yewon were on track to become one of my favourite couple of all time before they left abruptly. :( I like couples who spend at least 6 months building their relationships. :D

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Top 5 (no particular order)

Couples: Solim, Samsam, Goguma, Ppyu, OhYeah
Men: Jaerim, Jota, Jonghyun, Jonghyun 2, Sungjae
Women: Yura, Sora, Joy, Jinkyung, Caolu, Soeun (can't reduce to 5, sorry)

Couples I consider Legends: Goguma, Teukso, Ppyu, Solim, Adam -- most have won the best couple awards, which doesn't happen as you would think for WGM couples

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Come on, if you're going to mention couples who make things fun, you can't miss out Jealousy Incarnate. Granted you mentioned GHJ. But JI deserves it's own mention. kkkk.

I'm also enjoying One percent of something currently airing, but not sure if the angst will come later.

wowza at your playlist links. They're all so long. So cool. I had no idea you could make playlists like that without an account. Thanks for the unintentional tip. lol. I notice 3/4 of your playlists have 20 videos. Is it the limit?

anyhooooo... Sungjoy is a great couple. I've only watched the first video of each playlist so far, but my day is already brightened up. :D

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My cutest couples are:

Flower Boy Next Door - Main & GKP's loveline
Coffee Prince
Sly & Single Again
Fated to love You
those three are the only dramas I've watched more than once
Reply 1997
Lie to Me - best kiss imo after R97
Pinocchio - despite all the sadness
Because it's the First Time - all the pairings!
Kiss Me -Taliw & TenTen
One More Happy Ending - all pairs except maknae loveline
Page Turner - both pairs
DotS - all couples including the unofficial Ki Bum & nurse
Fabulous Boys - main
Lucky Romance - all couples, main's laugh was the death of me
Heirs - Bo Na & Chan
You Are Beautiful - Minhyuk & perfectionist
Wild Romance - Im Joo Eun & robot
What's Up - Im Joo Eun & teach

It was hard to keep it this low kekeke

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great list Purple Owl!!

i like bona and chan best! they were mega cute

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@Jane

since everyone mentioned K-dramas, I'm going to list a few chinese dramas

It started with a kiss
Rainie yang w/ mike he
Hu ge w/ ariel lin and/or with crystal liu (liu yi fei)
Eddie Peng in Chinese Paladin and in young warriors of yang clan

lurv lurv lurv your playlists btw

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Is the Ariel/Hu Ge drama a historical? I want to watch Hu Ge but may not be ready for Chinese historicals considering I have yet to finish a Korean.

I was so close to saying ISwaK but I went with the Thai version instead. Has anyone heard any news on the next remake for Taiwan layer this year? InK is the only storyline I must watch live, even if the methods aren't technically right.

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They've been in two dramas, but period dramas, but not "historical."

First one is called Fairy From Wonderland, and is exactly that title. Ariel is the magnae fairy banned to earth. So fantasy-ish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrbDwxJZrAQ

Second is called Legend of the Condor Heroes, and is half-historical, half-wuxia in jianghu (martial arts film in pugilistic world). It's based on the novel of arguably the most famous Wuxia novel of China. Definitely the uncontested King of the genre.

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@Purple Owl
Ariel Lin is one of my favourite Taiwanese actress. I've seen practically nearly every drama of hers.

as @I will forever miss ... said
Ariel and Hu Ge both starred in Fairy From Wonderland and LotCH. I've seen both and loved it. Ariel and Hu Ge's 2008 version of LotCH is my second favourite remake after the 1983 version.

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@I will forever miss being called and “exotic”

Ok. Period is better than historical because I never did well with history class lol.

But that still sounds kinda intense for ,e

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I fell in love with Ariel in Love Contract because of her ending version OST. I remember watching Tokyo Juliet just for her.

I really like Liu Shi Shi, Alyssa Chao, and Zheng Shuang too. I like many actresses.

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For real fell asleep before finishing the comment.

Intense for me. I'll try to watch 5 Chinese/Taiwanese dramas before I get into period and historical sites.

@realiti
I watched It Started with a Kiss because I like the anime. I watched In Time with You to prepare for the kdrama, ew. I love Ariel. I follow her on IG even though I don't follow many celeb there

I'll remember to co,email to you for Ariel recommedations.

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@Purple Owl

Ariel's In Time With You is one of the few dramas of hers that I didn't finish watching. Not because I didn't like it, but because the soft subs that I was using were out of sync and usually if it is minor, I can fix it myself, but it was too messy and I put that drama on hold until I could find better subs. I could have endured because my Chinese is not that bad, but I wanted to understand everything 100%. Time passed and I haven't gotten back to it. Happy to let it go. Too many recent dramas to catch up on, lol. I was excited for the Korean remake, but didn't get around to watching it. Then read mixed reviews about it so decided to pass on it.

Of the 14 dramas Ariel has done, I've seen 10 of them.

OH! Can't believe I didn't think about following her on IG. I've only opened an account about a month ago, lol.

Her last drama is Lan Ling Wang (Prince of Lan Ling) - period drama - which I really enjoyed. I think I read somewhere that she is retiring (from dramas)? At such a young age too. Sad about it, can't see her in any future dramas. Only movies. She married 2 years ago so maybe she might want to start a family. Hopefully she comes out of retirement some day.

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I think I've seen all the Chinese dramas you listed except for Young Warriors. I do have the drama, just haven't gotten around to it. I may never though with the many lists of dramas I watch.

Hu Ge / Crystal / Eddie - Chinese Paladin. I loved this drama so much when I first saw it. Loved the OST too. Didn't like CP3.

Eddie Peng is a great actor. I love him in Sound of the Desert with Liu Shi Shi. Interesting, Hu Ge stars in it too, and is actually a second lead! I was so surprised.

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Shao Nian Yang Jia Jiang should be something you would like. I personally loved it. Hu Ge is the main, followed by Peter ho (paired up with Liu Shi Shi), and then Eddie.

My favorite of all time is Tian Long Ba Bu.

I personally loved Ariel's Condor Heroes best, but I also like the 2003 version.

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Awesome list Purple Owl & Jane & all!!

I've watched loads of dramas twice. I think I'll have to reduce the number to dramas I've watched more than twice.

Winter Sonata
Full House
Reply 1997
Healer
City Hunter
Goong
You're beautiful
I remember You
I Hear Your Voice
Hotelier
Boys Over Flowers
Iljimae
Time between Wolf and Dog

Stopping here but it's likely I've missed on a few.

Tagging a thanks for the playlist. I haven't watched Sungjoy yet but I used Playlist 2 as background music as you suggested. Great choices of songs.

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Ooooh, you watch Thai dramas? Nice! I loved Kiss Me. Have you seen Full House (Thai remake) starring the same leads as Kiss Me? They make such a cute couple.

I loved ISwaK and was happy to hear there was a Korean remake, but it was horrible. I dropped Playful Kiss really fast, lol. I discovered the Thai version (after seeing Full House Thai and went researching the leads) and love it.

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I've only seen the one because I'm InK trash. It's my favorite love story ever!

I'm watching the original Full House so I can watch the Thai. I'm hoping to watch more Thai dramas soon but I'm focusing on Taiwanese & then Chinese for now.

Have you seen the 2013 Japanese?

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I actually don't watch that many Japanese dramas. I haven't seen the Japanese version.

The only jdramas I've seen are

Gokusen
1 Litre of Tears
Long Love Letter
Kurosagi
Hanazakari no Kimitachi e I remember loving it a lot and that I found it hilarious. Then Taiwan did a remake and I watched that. Wasn't too bad. Then Korea did a remake - To The Beautiful You - and .. I dropped it, lol
Hana Yori Dango I first saw the Taiwanese version before this. Wasn't fond of the Korean version, didn't finish it
Absolute Boyfriend T-version wasn't that great, dropped it.
You Are My Pet

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Great lists of couples and dramas everybody!!

May I suggest

Kill Me Heal Me
SSK Scandal
She Was Pretty
Choi Si Won in King of Dramas
History of a Salaryman
Capital Scandal
Shining Inheritance/Brilliant Legacy
Nice/Innocent Man

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Kamsahamnida :D I added several songs I liked 2 a personal playlist. So many good korean songs I still dont know. Aja aja fighting!

I mainly listened to the fmv & watched those w subtitles on and those were all good. It must have taken time to select them eonni. Kamsa lots. Surprised not more people know about bbyu couple since their vids on MBC channel have millions of views. They're neomu popular where I live.

Cute couple for me is Shiba Inu & Flying Squirrel!
I also like SoSoo couple.
Anna & K2

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Ahaha. You're way of speech is cute.

I'm Korean so I knew almost all the Korean songs on the playlists except for a few BtoB songs. I don't mean to be offensive but I didn't know they had such good songs until today. They landed on my radar now. I don't listen to idol songs that much, so I had no idea their music was my style.
I didn't know most of the English songs because I don't listen to pop that much. Ppyu couple is also popular in Korea but We Got Married in general has lost its peak long ago so it's not as famous anymore. MBC in general has great entertainment shows.

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That's what I've heard. Koreans don't listen to kpop as much as we thought. I love kpop!! You should listen to more, there's some great kpop songs.
From the fact that you like BtoB songs, I think I can tell the style of songs you like. I'm multi-fandom fan. My ultimate bias group is Infinite so I'm itching to tell you about them but since you like BtoB, I'll recommend to you BtoB songs.
In addition to the songs on Jane's playlists of BtoB, try It's Okay (great lyrics), I'll be here, Killing Me, Second Confession, Star and their Japanese discography is also great. BtoB L.U.V. is a great song. Those are the more lowkey songs since you seem to like that style but they also have WOW, Shake It, Come Eerie, and more. Their live performance of To my lover is also great. My fav live is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39JIZ2lYJSg My jaw always drops.

Check it out. Let me know if you need more songs. From Btob or other groups (pssst like Infinite kkkkkk.)

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I also like this live of them. Recommending covers because you said you don't like kpop. I'm easing you into kpop that way. Tricking you kkkk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59LCS03tDpc

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HOHOHOHOHO!!!

Hallo there fellow Inspirit! I'm an Army and Exo-L but I also count myself as a part-time Inspirit. Pffftttttt.

I just newly discovered BTOB myself but even I know their most famous cover is Being Forgotten.
It has over a million views on Youtube and not for nothing. Ya, you can't mention BTOB's covers without mentioning that one. Hihi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FuSAoIRU-I

But I'll agree To my lover is also a great cover. I think they won a full episode of Immortal Song with that (not sure).

Thankx for the recommendations. There are few I haven't checked out yet. My favourite song of them is 2nd Confession and I know a few others. I'm too busy with BTS comeback nowadays to listen to their full discography. :( But will listen later.

Bye bye ¬¬¬

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Ugh! Why you gotta mention 2nd confession? Now I want to watch the outside version & the pj. I used to have them on my playlist one after the other but then decided to spread it out.

Aboji is my song. Even though I totally dislike my dad for good reason, the moment it began (I didn't even know the title) it hit me and gave me goosebumps. Their voices, harmonies, emotion, and story are daebak!

Also, hi fellow inspirit. The new song & video slayed.

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I'm ARMY-L too! EXO is my bias group. If I list my others I won't be able to do anything else, lol. I am so multi-fandom it hurts. ? SHINee last week

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Exo-L chingooos!!

Since we're all exo-l here, I'm sharing btob ... uh... dancing (?) *cough cough* to Exo Wolf. Awooooo!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa2GSDZ9_Bc

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OH EM GEE. I was wondering why OT had so many comments this week. When I found out the reason, I was so touched by yall. Yall are making me cry.

I'm so glad when people saw Michelle being depressed and took the challenge together to share songs to make her day better. Hugggies to yall for being so kind and nice. So awesome that Comment #2 alone has 67 comments about Sungjoy music/BTOB's Sungjae/BTOB music and cute couples, mine included. Yea I counted. Bravo yall.

To Exo-L, I'm so proud of our fandom for being part of this effort to cheer someone up. I'm a Kyungsoo stan fyi. My ONLY love. All the others take #2 in my heart.

Here's my one funny BTOB vid. Michelle, and others, enjoy and smile. Don't be too sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaLNClg5sQY

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Forgot to share healing music. Duh. It's the whole point of this.

Here's flawless acapella. May it bring peace in Michelle and yall's hearts and minds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uheUs8rMSbo

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Wow this thread is great for music lovers!!!! :)

Just wondering any fellow diamond or buddy here? I know Changsub is a great fan of Gfriend and svt really likes Eunkwang.

I'm not a fan, but I think BtoB does harmony like no others. That youtube channel has a ton of Btob compilation videos. I stumbled on it by chance looking for Changsub fanboying over Umji. Hihihihi. :)

Killer harmonies (or not hihihi)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkaRAS1ptBQ

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I forgot to mention, I love your name. I miss being exotic too. The time period of exotic EXO-Ls was so much fun. Though I do like the with behind our name. I wish they told us sooner.

@Patricia
I'm full EXO Stan but Chanyeol is my ultimate kpop bias. The others tie for #2. My acting bias is between Lee Yi Kyung and Kim Minsuk.

@Diana Venson

I'm a diamond//carat from debut. I was waiting 2 years for them? Maybe more. It made my year. But isn't diamond Dia's fandom name? We're carat or 17carat. I can't decide my bias because they are rebellious and don't want to stay in line lol. Plus all hut S.coups are my adorable dongsaengs.

I like GFriend. I'm not a full time buddy but I look forward to their comebacks. I don't have many girl groups I follow so that's pretty much a raving review. Plus their dances are beautiful and skilled.

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I'm glad you got to be introduced to BTOB today. You don't have to be a melody but we'll welcome you if you decide to join. I can't remember my favorite live of them. I'll have to look for it.

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Sup Exo-L. One here too. I'm not really multi-fandom. Exo takes too much of my time already but I like checking out other groups during comebacks. Lately, Monsta X, Pentagon's comebacks impressed me a lot. There's no need for words for Shinee.

Bias: Baek, Chan, Suho, Kai. Lay was my 1st bias, and I love the rest equally.

Not exactly the best BtoB live, but my favourite BtoB live video because we can hear the vocals clearly. SLAY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBN6bbpIIqk

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2nd confession is my ultimate BtoB confession too!!! I like cute songs like Super Junior No Other so it's my style

Speaking of the devil, I can't leave out the BEST 2nd confession live performance.

I present to you.... drumroll.....

SUNGJAE PANTS GOING RIIIIIPPPP in the middle of the perf!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm a perv)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tal_8dRIsUA

Other Pants RIPPPPPPINGGGGGGG (Yes, I ended up searching for them because I'm a perv #2, and got a lot more than I asked for. :3:3:3 ;) ;) :D :D )

RED PANTIES (!!!!!!) for everyone to see @2:30 (It's OK live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG8yr1hNSCo

And I can't believe he RIPPPPPED his pants TWICE, both time RED&WHITE PANTIES. 2nd time actually WORSE. ROTFLMAO (Also @2:30, Beep Beep)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUfMnxlKFXY

Posting that link made me go on a YT marathon (totally predictable). Darn YT automatic play.

Sharing a few lives I've encountered.

To My Love - Epic Goosebumps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6DNkLvHxZ8

Shinhwa's Brand New - Burning HOTTTT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWQs28INQtI

Mamamoo's You're the best - 1000000+ views!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_WDXQtRUCs

Star - Cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0K1RtTyTig

Best live perf of It's Okay in my humble opinion due 2 the different adlibs in the end from the usual
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwOC87kklLQ

And saving best for last.

DRUMROLLL.

Rappers singing and Vocals rapping switcheroo
#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMT39aUVtGc
#2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eh_RNvZbz8

Ok, I'm going back to Exo now. Nobody tell them I cheated for an hour. shhhhhh. ;) ;)

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WWWWoooooowzaaaaaaa.

holy shiiiiiit that's an epic list right there.

I'm a man (hello there fellow buddy Stephaniel above), ergo I don't fanboy boy groups but gotta admit. Damn if those videos weren't dope of dope. Especially that last video. Man, cool dudes those BtoB dudes. I wish I could rap and sing like that, maybe my girl wouldn't spend so much time fangirling and I wouldn't be left here trying to kill time and educate myself on what she likes. I'm keeping this secret to my grave by the way. Uh uh.

I only know BtoB because they are close to my goddesses Apink (Gender equality for fanboys I say to my girl. Boyfriends have the right too babe) but never paid more attention to them.

I did see this fuckkking H.I.L.A.R.I.O.U.S. vids of them just now in the suggested vids so maybe it can help Michelle and more of you who are depressed smile or something. My contribution. Peace out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HktK8u1cMHQ

Man, those dues are chill as f.

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Looking at all of you makes me smile proudly. I'm too old now to like new boy groups. Looking at all of you make me remember my childhood memories.

I'm a Shinhwa Changjo (for life), and started to frequent Cassiopeia fandom when I got my precious babies. Then, no time to be a fan of Shinhwa or DBSK. I was too busy being a mother. Wouldn't trade it for the world. Besides, I have time now, only a few years later.

Long story short, I don't know much about new idols besides from what I hear from my daughter Jin-ie.

The part of the story about how I know BTOB comes in now finally. I took a long detour down memory trip. I know.
I only know about BTOB from their cover of my precious boy band when their cover for DBSK Mirotic went viral -- another one with over 100 0000 views for those who are counting. As a Cassie, I was impressed. Best cover of Mirotic I've seen.

DBSK Mirotic most impressive BTOB cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tATz4o0xrjk

SaTi already shared their cover of Shinhwa. As a SHCJ I wished I did it myself, but I'll content with sharing BTOB cover of g.o.d. legendary song Geojitmal (Lies)

Hearing the loud fanchants made me cry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K04gWXmO_1w

This video was suggested next to DBSK Mirotic Cover video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gprarTmUsUs

I clicked on it out of curiosity because it had over 7 million views. I understand why. It reminds me of the 90's songs I'm from. Ah, I will stop talking and bore you with my nostalgia. Annyeong. Thank you you young people for making me feel young again.

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Heooooool. It's so funny are all of you are fans of other groups but all like btob. Btob must be like Big bang, Shinee and Infinite. Groups muggles like. Or am I wrong?

Don't know them but will check them out. I'm surprised I haven't heard about them given how popular they seem to be on here.

Just curious. Any real btob fans on here? I don't know how they're called.

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To jaguar & momo. Yes, there BtoB fans here. ^^ The fandom is called Melody, because BtoB stands for Born To Beat, and the melody completes the beat to make a song.

I've been staying quiet because of the drama. I was scared to appear. I'm a coward. ^^ I might be lurking, I was very very happy to see so many Beanies having a positive image of my boys and sharing. I couldn't stay quiet after reading your comment. I couldn't let people go on thinking BtoB had no fans. ^^

My bias is Im Hyunsik (Sub-Vocalist, BtoB "Music Father" - meaning Composer, Guitarist, Pianist, Muscle Man, Killer Eye Smile)

I will share his most famous line "Please!!!!!! Be my baby!!!!!!!!!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm-I74lgByY

He might be a Sub-Vocalist but personally, I think he sings it best. To compare, here are the other members trying his line. ^^
https://youtu.be/rrb7wRkLY9s?t=127

In case Melodies are going to correct me, I will add a caveat that I am in no-way implying he is the best singer in the group. Only for that legend line. Otherwise, he is 4rth or 3rd best.
Leader Baboon Seo Eunkwang is the accepted best. For good reason.

Have you ever heard a monkey sing classical operette? Well, here you go. ^^
https://youtu.be/BglR1hfNqg0?t=121

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@Melody in the house ^^
I wonder, why is Hyusik's muscle man? I thought Minhyuk was the athletic one who won lots of medals. I watch sports shows because Monsta X is in them, and Minhyuk set the record for vaulting, high jump, sprint, and stuff. I wasn't very happy Monsta x lost at the time. pout pout. JK.

Sorry if my question sound stupid. I just know a little bit of Btob from their friendship with Vixx and Exo and BTS & got7. Like I know Sungjae from the "hip-hop group" Big Byung with got7 Jackson & Vixx N & Hyuk. And I know Ilhoon from weekly idol + originator of gwiyomi song. Oh, and I know Peniel from his vlog on youtube. I follow it! It's super rare to find idols making videos in English so I follow when they do. I think he's super cute in his vlog. :D :D

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I have an explanation for why that guy, minhyuk if I'm right, always rips his pants.
I play football so my quads and thighs are much larger than even the average athletic dude. I always have trouble with jeans and suit pants. I spent 100 custom-fitting them and they still rip. Someone mentioned he won medals for sprinting so his thighs are probably on the large size.

For his red boxers, I have no explanation. Is his entire boxers drawer made of red panties or what? LMAO

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ROFL

Changsub looks like he's dying in that video Charming charlie shared. He took half the video by himself. I've never seen Sungjae's voice crack that was so funny. I tried to look for the original video where that clip came from. I came up with this crazyass video. Some of the dances are WTF. lol

W English subs
https://youtu.be/jftcMPDFr6Q?t=555

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Yay! Found the same dance video where G-friend Rough music wasn't removed. No subs though so you'll have to watch both for the subs and audio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtvqexICbNk

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Can anyone tell me where to find the clip of "Charming charlie charlies charles" post of the voice crack videos where Sungjae is cracking up hard at Changsup mid-performance? Or the song title would also help. Thanks.

it starts at 2:50 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HktK8u1cMHQ

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@little lettuce (love the username <33) Im HS is the "muscle man" because he's effortless in being fit. He doesn't need to work out and still get muscles (he sleeps the mosts out of the members. He can even stand Sungjae's epic snores so both are roommates). He's also at the top of the food chain btob. All members are afraid to mess with him.

@Mei the florist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHXF1oDMC0U Changsubbie's voice cracks at the end of the song. troll Sungjae. kkkk

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And Mei, if you enjoyed that clip of SJ laughing at CS's voice crack, then you'll want to know what happens after. http://www.vlive.tv/video/7262/BTOB-%EB%B4%84%EB%82%A0%EC%9D%98-%EA%B8%B0%EC%96%B5Remember-that-%EC%BB%B4%EB%B0%B1-%EC%B2%AB-%EC%A3%BC-%EB%B9%84%ED%95%98%EC%9D%B8%EB%93%9C (has ENG SUB) the full video is cute, but the backstage footage of what happens after the voice crack is around 9 minutes into it. Sungjae, Peniel, Ilhoon, HS all tease him. Of course, SJ is the worst troll of them all. Poor CS.

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I normally spend my weekend reading OT cuz dramas don't air now.

Guess this week, I'm gonna spend the weekend catching up on Comment #2 alone. Ahahaha. You guys are awesome. At least I now know I'm not gonna be bored with a ton of recommended videos. Ahahaha.

Can somebody make a compilation post so it makes it easier to watch all without missing one?

Michelle K and others being depressed. Look at how beanies rallied up this week to share healing and funny videos and music when they learnt it could help. Clap clap clap. That alone proves all of you are not alone in this world. Himnae!! Watch those videos and laugh, listen to music and cry and heal. Rest. And know we'll be there having your backs.

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Minority opinion but loving K2. Right up my alley.

Now that I'm done watching that, I'm going to tackle the challenge that is Comment 2. Ahahahaha.

I believe I can do it! I'm determined to finish all the videos and songs. Ahahahaha. It's not going to be easy but I want to for some reason.

Wish me luck.

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All of you should give yourself a pat.

@Jane Carlson 1st Open thread post ^.^

Great thread you have here. Congratulations on your first post. Everybody & their father & cousins seem to be on here. Took a life of its own. Great music, laughter, love, pain, and the desire to give assistance bond humanity together in a nutshell.

Thanq for putting Joy's fancam of Adult Ceremony in your playlist. What was that. Phew. That's one hot babe. Thank god she's legal.

@Michelle K & Purple Owl & SaTi

I can't empathize with depression. I've never had it so I'm not sure what to say. The videos and words shared on here will hopefully make your days a little better. The way people on here reacted made me view the world as a brighter place. Hopefully works on you too.

@Melody in the house ^^

lololololollol That's savage. Did you just call Eunkwang a monkey? lololololol Dude can sing for sure.

@Everyone who shared.

Damn it people. Because of you I'm this close to stanning a male boy band for the first time. Urgh the SHAME.
I wonder if it's enough compensation to have dope new songs. I'm thinking not. This feels like freefall. I should probably fight this feeling of wanting to check out more of their vids. What am I saying, I already did. Sigh. I shouldn't have clicked on the lyrics posts. I would have been fine if I didn't. Damn them for making those lyrics. Man tears. I tried their Japanese album My Girl and Future hoping it would suck compared to their Korean songs. I ended up liking their Japanese songs better. lolololol. What even. I wiill have to ask my pals to beat some sense into me. lolololol. Sad part. I'm not even joking.

@little lettuce

lolololol That Big Byung vid speaks the TRUTH.
The BtoB Vlog you talked about, is it this one? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPtear1tL9P1gpnEDSgF05w
I tried searching it and it's the first link which came up. Chill dude. Interesting to see that's how idols live on the road during their promotion time. I'm not too fond of hotels and sleeping on the floor or eating hotel food and prepaid meals. I'm glad no longer have to in my new job. Phew. I mean no offense when I ask this: does Peniel have a lisp? I noticed in songs and it's even more noticeable in his vlog.

@love sungjoy & seo in guk & db
lololololol Don't worry, it's not going to take you all week-end to finish the playlist and vids. I finished all (except for the full subbed Sungjoy episodes) and time breezed by. Girl, you can do it, unless you're lazy or have bad taste in music. lolololol Warning, curiosity and/or competitiveness will bite you back like it did with me.

I need to go back to my Yoona so that she can make me forget I ever considered liking a boy band. Urgh.

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LMAO Francs, you're funny. There are a lot more fanboys than you would think. You don't have to fight it tooth and nail. I'm one and I don't give a damn what people think. If I like something, I'm not gonna let prejudices ruin a source of fun.
Didn't even know kpop or dramas at the time. Discovered Big Bang by chance on the Youtube trending videos. Taeyang dance video. Found them cool, searched for more videos. Became a fan. Nothing to be ashamed of. Went to their concert just fine.
I can relate with the freefall feeling. I remember thinking a few days into youtubing Big Bang a big "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU....... what am I doing?"
Got over it pretty quickly.

Speaking of Big Bang. Is that group Big Byung with Sungjae a parody of Big Bang's? LMAO.

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@Fanboy and proud It's right. the name is a joke sungjae came up with. watch how sungjae came up with it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk41XledJQQ (around 21min mark)

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I need to watch Hitmaker ASAP. I didn't know any of them back then except for Jackson so I skipped. I regret this so much now.

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I'm a super-lurker. I'm too shy because I don't have confidence in my English. It is still new to me. I'm gathering courage to write here so please take care of me. ~~

I gathered courage as I love BtoB very much: I'm a Melody and my bias is Minhyuk oppa. I was very happy to see that BtoB is bringing happiness and healing to all of you. BtoB is very very very much loved in Korea and Japan, but I was sad to think they weren't loved elsewhere. All of you made me very happy.

I wanted to write because I was afraid there was no post showing BtoB oppa being cool dancing and more. BtoB are known to be crazy, funny, not-idol-like idols with strong vocals.

As most of you are not Melody, I didn't want to people to think BtoB could not dance only from the funny video "ARMY-ELF but I also love BtoB" shared. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ It is a funny video but I wanted to boast that my bias can be cool too! BtoB are funny weird idols, AND cool idols. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Most BtoB videos are titled in Korean, and I was afraid people couldn't find them. ㅠㅠㅠ Even i-Melodies have trouble finding them. I can help. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

As other people have shared good videos of BtoB singing: I will share about BtoB dancing and doing acrobatics coolly. I will share mostly Korean-titled clips as I know all of you can search for english clips. :)

This clip is a good preview of what to expect in my next clips:

Preview of BtoB DANCE & TUMBLING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhrVv49HiZM

I will do tumbling first.

TUMBLING

Sungjae doing tumbling in We Got Married with English Subtitles
https://youtu.be/lwap_00T1tE?t=59

Sungjae doing Scorpion with English Subtitles on We Got Married (featuring Joy and Minhyuk♡)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da6ST_-CdbQ

Sungjae jumps and tumbling in other shows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm_a4xGikko

Sungjae, Changseob + Hyunsik + Peniel + Minhyuk acrobatics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUvLnAHYYto

Eunkwang gymnastic flip fancam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Q-coheEFU

Eunkwang Weekly Idol flip with Changseob tumbling(??ㅋㅋㅋㅋ) @0:25 mark (ft. Sungjae, Hyunsik, Peniel, Ilhoon, Minhyuk)
https://youtu.be/WsW69fpeRfA?t=72

TRANSITION from TUMBLING to DANCE

BtoB full group dance & tumbling behind-the-scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCJHSRHEDHU

DANCE PART

Full group Dance from Preview above fancam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5iZpuxUFD8

Full group Michael Jackson-esque dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GdFmuUE0e0
Sungjae Individual Fancam of MJ Hollywood Tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nid-24nJvF4
Official MJ dance clip (I like fancam more)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJWO7z5LfGA

BtoB Concert hip-hop dance Eunkwang ft. Peniel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvd_dvKu7pA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcepA5huNFY
BtoB Concert Michael Jackson-Hip-hop Peniel ft. Eunkwang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNMBh0BF_lE
Distant full-stage fancam of Peniel & Eunkwang...

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Part 2.

Distant full-stage fancam of Peniel & Eunkwang together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KLI4f2CWcc

BtoB Group Dance (Cold-man style)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=243KNmv8XYQ

BTOB Group Dance (Old-school hip hop song cover)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqf1Qb0Agc0

Of course, that is the past. BtoB is now very funny
dork idols.

FUNNY V COOL dance

BTOB Dancing to Dumb Dumb Red Velvet Funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWAQhpN4IwA

BTOB Dancing to Dumb Dumb Rehearsal
It is like rehearsal is the cool dance. And then it becomes crazy crazy during recording. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QYxdbexaM

Normal Dancing Version#2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gprarTmUsUs
Crazy Dancing Version#2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGrOeLqDAHk

@Francis
"Melody in the house ^.^" called Eunkwang a monkey because of this ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
https://youtu.be/rQmbAMinG-A?t=94

Finally, I want to boast about my bias Minhyuk oppa.

MINHYUK BOASTING

He is really good at sports. He wins at running, and vaulting over 2m!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b32mDjL42lA

Minhyuk play sports and doing athletic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W-XFVb9N4I

Minhyuk who is good at everything because he tries hard and works hard ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ - juggling, tumbling +++
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqBPmpzcsHE

Of course other people already posted of Minhyuk~ie singing and rapping good~~~

FINAL CLIP - A goodbye dance BtoB-style ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB-5s0Vw6eQ

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But I don't want all of you to fall for BtoB too much. Just love them enough.ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

So here is a wake-up call. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

BtoB uploading on SNS clips of them talking about poorn. Omona.

http://onehallyu.com/topic/187-btob-official-thread-novembercomeback/page-658

There is one translation that is incorrect.

Sungjae didn't say he has only watched poorn once.

The sentence structure in Korean is for

"Since I was born, I have never even once watched poorn"

has "Since I was born, I watched poorn even once I have never"

So when Sungjae said "Watched poorn even once...." It is a joke because Melody expect him to say "I have never," but he says "I have" instead ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ and trolls us.

So Sungjae means, "Everyone, from when I was born until now, watching poorn even once I have done so."
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

BTOB is not for everyone these crazy idols. ♡♡♡♡♡♡

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Hahahaha.

I was wondering why the count for comments suddenly increased so much.

You're cute. Next time, you can wait a bit before trying to comment again, OK? Your english is already very good. I'm a Melody lurker too, and I have no excuse like you so I'm unlurking to join in what seems to be an impromptu btob party on Open Thread. lmao.

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Thank you for your explanation on the korean Sungjae's tweets.

However, just letting you know, you misspelled the P* word. It's not "poorn," there's only one "o."

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Watching all those dancing & flips made me mad nostalgic. I'm so used to btob acting like the funky dorky little brother I've never had (you're lucky you can call them oppa) I honestly no longer remember the last time I could take them seriously. lol.

I still remember the first Sungjae dance fancam I saw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBEJ6d4xiUA

Sungjae was so cool and cute in that clip. Pretty much sums up btob for me. You barely have time to blink before they turn from cool and serious to chill af and crazy.

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HOW COME I NEVER SAW THIS???? T_____T

Sungjae looks so young there, but still hot with the eyeliner.

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HOW COME I NEVER SAW THIS??????

Sungjae looks so young, but still hot with the eyeliner.

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Personally, what Sungjae does @1:10 in this WOW live still remains the hottest+cute I've seen him.

https://youtu.be/fYybzWCHI9U?t=69

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LMFAO I died laughing at those twitter posts. Sungjae is not normal. All 7 members are not normal. How can he talk about watching those videos with such an innocent expression. I think I watched somewhere a clip somewhere that managers have given up trying to rein in B2B. Hehehe

My fav members are Shin Peniel and Jung Ilhoon. B2B was not on my radar for the longest time. So it used to be only Ilhoon since he was in Weekly Idol as a regular guest (plus dance well, sing well, rap well, is super handsome in blonde, and is crazy, and I knew his sister Joo from JYP) but Peniel somehow crept in my heart. I didn't pay much attention to him because he's quiet in Korean shows. I think he's insecure about speaking korean or smth. He's so different on English speaking shows like ASC. o_O Then, I saw a clip of him picking up trash, and then several more and then more clips of him being the nicest most polite boy and fell for him. Ha. His vlog kinda sealed the deal.

I still don't know that much about B2B tbh. I'm not sure I can call myself a "legit" fan. Just a casual one. It didn't help that I'm not a fan of ballad concepts they had ballads only for the past year.

Anyway, I'm here bc a Diamond in this thread asked for fellow Diamonds to show up. Hi5555555555555555!!!! I'm here.
17 just released video for their song Healing! I know it's piggybacking to write about them on B2B post but at least it shares the theme of healing songs of this thread am I right? Ha. I admit it's not as healing as B2B "It's Ok" but it's still healing, so I'm promoting it. Ha.

To compensate, here's two vids of B2B Sungjae.

I remembered of them when I saw Yong Eunji's videos about Normal/Cool versus Funny dance above.

This is Abnormal/Funny/Cool Yook Sungjae competing in archery as "Yookmong" (jumong get it?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUAadVSvyO4

Followed by Abnormal/Funny/Uncool Yook Sungjae competing in archery as Yookgolas (LMFAO legolas)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU52farc2lo

I hope you listen to seventeen healing in exchange for me sharing the two vids. Thank you. Haha.

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Hello seventeen fan. I listened to the song well. I think it's ok to promote seventeen here. I like the group, and this is called open thread for a reason. kkkkkkk

"It didn’t help that I’m not a fan of ballad concepts they had ballads only for the past year."

In truth, btob did a lot of dance songs in 2015 and 2016 as well, it was just not their title tracks. It makes sense that casual fans like you wouldn't know about them. kkkk. It's ok, I'll share some live perf of the dance tracks here so now you know.

BTOB Giddy Up during It's Ok promos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_L167HhkEo
BTOB Heart Attack during Way back home promos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPOQtJlDaM
I posted So Pretty from Remember that promos in comment 2.8.1.2.12 so..... Shake it is a great song Btob didn't promote on broadcast but still performed live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipB6G5f-4aM also All wolves besides me in concert but I think I saw someone post a link of that song somewhere (lots of comments so difficult to remember)

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I want to add. If you don't mind japanese songs, I also recommend watching their japanese concerts/fanmeetings broadcasts and/or fancams. They spend literally half a year in Japan so there's many dance tracks there as well.

One more dance broadcast performance btob did in 2015 I forgot Brand New official fancam (shinhwa song) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOgodN1CdOk

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Ugh! I misses my babies because I've been busy with kdrama and school. I'll watch the new video in a couple hours. On my way to therapy now.

It's totally fine to promote SVT and their new vid here. We're having a #kpopnation party, not just BtoB and as L mentioned it's Open Thread. But your post was still about kpop so it fit in this convo without being a new post ?

Peniel is beautiful. I need to watch these English videos you mentioned. I just remember being super excited for his image in the Beep Beep era.

I can't wait to watch the new Seventeen video. Thanks!

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For the BTOB Group Dance (Old-school hip hop song cover) dance video Eunji posted (love that name... little cousin of mine has a crush on a girl named Eunji. I had to teach him how to pronounce it. kkkkkk) there's an updated version btob performed several years later with dancing and singing in their own voices. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhSFDontYY one of the top btob dance perf for me kkkkk.

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I remember disliking this song the first few times I saw it performed (by 2000's idols). Now I've seen the light.

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I didn't follow Sungjae on twitter during those tweets. How I regret it now!! He's crazy. Talking about porn on twitter. No wonder the poor managers scolded them.

Groups managers can't control:
Shinhwa
Super Junior
BtoB
Seventeen

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This is so typical of me. Joining a party only when everybody has already left. Pffft.

@Eunji, your post about "poorn" reminds me of this clip of maknaes trolling their hyung. You're right, it won't do for people to fall too much into btob. They're all dorks and trolls. We can't be deceived. Pffft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR8PmtZewJ4

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As for live performances, I like 1 when no in-ear was used:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeeGOxjtgik

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SUNGJAE :O

<3<3<3<3

I DIDN'T KNOW SUNGJAE COULD DANCE LIKE THAT!!!

Especially in that Hollywood tonight fancam. I feel like such a fail as a Melody.
He always said he was bad at dancing, and I BELIEVED HIM. The little liar. I knew he could imitate a pigeon, but I had no idea he could isolate his head and do that head-shoulder separation thingy. We don't get to see BtoB dancing that much nowadays, so I had no idea he was this good. WHAT THE HELL. I mean, I knew he was good (he's hot in It's Okay dance), but yeah. I'm a fail. I underestimated him.

Thank you so much for helping us out. I've been a Melody for two years now, and didn't know about so many of these videos. MAJOR FAIL. Especially the older videos. It's a shame all their titles are in hangul. Makes it hard for new Melodies like me to know about their past. I NEED TO REFLECT.

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@Eunji

Cool vids. I knew they were good @ dancing bc It's OK dance is pretty lit, especially that move where Sungjae shuffles his feet always gets me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4rN5Y7Dx_I near beginning.

But gotta admit, dancing on chairs can't compare to dancing to Michael freaking Jackson. Sungjae was so cool, but Hyunsik slayed.

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If u like Michael Jackson, Sungjae & Hyunsik and other members I forgot had a pre-debut performance. It has an extra Dangerous performance after the Hollywood Tonight.

https://youtu.be/H4_uPd0rqmU?t=315

I've gotta say, I always come back to Sungjae's individual fancam of Hollywood Tonight (the one Yong Eunji posted) because of the freaking way he moved his hips. You know the moment I'm talking about right? DAMN HIPS ARE FLEXIBLE AF.

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I should stop coming back here. It's way past midnight and I'm still watching videos of Sungjae being hot and moving hips. -_^""""

THAT HOLLYWOOD TONIGHT SUNGJAE FANCAM IS HOTTTTT. SWOON.

I think it might surpass my previous hottest sungjae's fancam.
There's something sexy about a guy in a suit stripping.
https://youtu.be/m7JPtIs7R3s?t=127

SWOON SWOON SWOON

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I had NO idea Sungjae could dance like that. I mean, I knew he could sing because of Masked singer. I didn't know he could pull off Michael Jackson or do a head-shoulder circulation isolation (mid-fancam of the full group Preview dance). I'm an amateur dancer and I can't do one as well as he does. That's impressive for someone who keeps saying he can't dance.

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I'm a super-lurker. I'm too shy because I don't have confidence in my English. It is still new to me. I'm gathering courage to write here so please take care of me. ~~

I gathered courage as I love BtoB very much: I'm a Melody and my bias is Minhyuk oppa. I was very happy to see that BtoB is bringing happiness and healing to all of you. BtoB is very very very much loved in Korea and Japan, but I was sad to think they weren't loved elsewhere. All of you made me very happy.

I wanted to write because I was afraid there was no post showing BtoB oppa being cool dancing and more. BtoB are known to be crazy, funny, not-idol-like idols with strong vocals.

As most of you are not Melody, I didn't want to people to think BtoB could not dance only from the funny video "ARMY-ELF but I also love BtoB" shared. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ It is a funny video but I wanted to boast that my bias can be cool too! BtoB are funny weird idols, AND cool idols. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Most BtoB videos are titled in Korean, and I was afraid people couldn't find them. ㅠㅠㅠ Even i-Melodies have trouble finding them. I can help. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

As other people have shared good videos of BtoB singing: I will share about BtoB dancing and doing acrobatics coolly. I will share mostly Korean-titled clips as I know all of you can search for english clips. :)

This clip is a good preview of what to expect in my next clips:

Preview of BtoB DANCE & TUMBLING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhrVv49HiZM

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Editing and cutting my comment. Will it work?

I'm a super-lurker. I'm too shy because I don't have confidence in my English. It is still new to me. I'm gathering courage to write here so please take care of me. ~~

I gathered courage as I love BtoB very much: I'm a Melody and my bias is Minhyuk oppa. I was very happy to see that BtoB is bringing happiness and healing to all of you. BtoB is very very very much loved in Korea and Japan, but I was sad to think they weren't loved elsewhere. All of you made me very happy.

I wanted to write because I was afraid there was no post showing BtoB oppa being cool dancing and more. BtoB are known to be crazy, funny, not-idol-like idols with strong vocals.

As most of you are not Melody, I didn't want to people to think BtoB could not dance only from the funny video "ARMY-ELF but I also love BtoB" shared. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ It is a funny video but I wanted to boast that my bias can be cool too! BtoB are funny weird idols, AND cool idols. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Most BtoB videos are titled in Korean, and I was afraid people couldn't find them. ㅠㅠㅠ Even i-Melodies have trouble finding them. I can help. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

As other people have shared good videos of BtoB singing: I will share about BtoB dancing and doing acrobatics coolly. I will share mostly Korean-titled clips as I know all of you can search for english clips. :)

This clip is a good preview of what to expect in my next clips:

Preview of BtoB DANCE & TUMBLING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhrVv49HiZM

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Editing and cutting my comment. Will it work?

I'm a super-lurker. I'm too shy because I don't have confidence in my English. It is still new to me. I'm gathering courage to write here so please take care of me. ~~

I gathered courage as I love BtoB very much: I'm a Melody and my bias is Minhyuk oppa. I was very happy to see that BtoB is bringing happiness and healing to all of you. BtoB is very very very much loved in Korea and Japan, but I was sad to think they weren't loved elsewhere. All of you made me very happy.

I wanted to write because I was afraid there was no post showing BtoB oppa being cool dancing and more. BtoB are known to be crazy, funny, not-idol-like idols with strong vocals.

As most of you are not Melody, I didn't want to people to think BtoB could not dance only from the funny video "ARMY-ELF but I also love BtoB" shared. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ It is a funny video but I wanted to boast that my bias can be cool too! BtoB are funny weird idols, AND cool idols. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Most BtoB videos are titled in Korean, and I was afraid people couldn't find them. ㅠㅠㅠ Even i-Melodies have trouble finding them. I can help. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

As other people have shared good videos of BtoB singing: I will share about BtoB dancing and doing acrobatics coolly. I will share mostly Korean-titled clips as I know all of you can search for english clips. :)

This clip is a good preview of what to expect in my next clips:

Preview of BtoB DANCE & TUMBLING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhrVv49HiZM

Part 1 will be acrobatics and jumps. Part 2 Dance?

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Hi, your English is fine, don't worry. ^____^

Just FYI in case you're wondering why your comments don't show up immediately. If you get the "your comment is awaiting moderation", please wait for one of the mods to fish it out of the queue. Don't keep reposting since it just puts all of your comments in the queue and makes it harder to sort them all. There's a link to more commenting rules right beside the form. *hint hint*

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kkkkkkk Poor Eunji. Don't let this discourage you from posting in the future. Problems with first few posts is normal. What's important is you made my week. I never in my life dreamed when I came in open thread today I would be able to see Melodies on DB. Not to mention that we're uniting with other fandoms to share btob music to entertain people who need entertainment in their lives. Honest to god, haven't been this estatic in a while on the web.

Also, your english is really really good. Even your funny mistake about p*rnography made me smile so it's all good. kkkkkkk.

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Lol @ those of u who said btob was popular. I should shut up but there's a limit to delusion. Media playing just annoys everyone, me included.
Everyone knows they are a flop group with barely any international fans. Just look at their views and you'll know. They've won on music shows for like what? 3 times? They've barely managed to survive.

Compare them to their contemporaries like EXO, BAP, VIXX, BTS, Block B and it's clear who's faaaaaaaaaaaaar behind. Don't be pathetic and blow up their fame just because you're their fans. Honestly.

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What are you even talking about?????

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it's just nonsense. I can't tell what made that person write the comment but it shouldn't bother you. Btob is doing great these days, reaching #1 on Oricon Weekly chart, selling over 100K albums in Jp, winning public & cable korean broadcast shows for the first time since their debut, appearing on numerous variety shows like Law of the Jungle, King of masked singer, Duet song festival, battle trip, Idol cooking king, happy together, weekly idol, winning an entire episode of immortal song, and more I forget in just this year and in dramas for several members. We Melodies are a positive bunch, we won't get upset by comments like this. we're having the best year we've ever had, nobody is going to ruin it for us, especially with btob comeback in korea coming soon next month and the jp one the month after. we're too excited. kkkkkkkkk.

It's true btob and melody had a lot of difficult times just not that long ago, and we were labelled as flops. but we're finally beginning to see things improve even when everybody else wrote us of. we've gone through a lot, but we're also stronger and more easygoing and carefree as a result. there's something about experience rock bottom that makes you not care about petty things anymore. kkkkkkkk I think the majority of Melodies will feel the same as me with the usual few who digress. kkkk.

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Sungjae has just the perfect reply for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBYOBch9YSE kkkkkkk

Jokes aside, SJ has several troublemaker performances w SH (and also with other girls like joy, trainee and even dudes *cough* ilhoonie *cough*) but I was afraid the other ones were too hot to post on here. Would be a waste to use them to reply to a troll. don't you agree? kkkkkkk

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Aw. I was riding such a high with the kpop fangirl/boying in OT this week. It's not crashed by its interrupted.

Normally I wouldn't respond. But as a EXO stan from pre-debut and a multi-fandom who is primarily BTS, Got7, Big Bang, SHINee, SJ, Girl's Generation; part time Baby, Starlight, Girlfriend, BBC, and more - this is embarrassing.

How many of us said BtoB was popular? Didn't most of we say we enjoy them? That is what this conversation is about, sharing our joy and excitement. And considering there are what? over 70 comments in this thread alone and so many links from seemingly international fans, how can you say they barely have any?

Please ignore the statistics and just appreciate the love here. My favorite bands ever as in entire discography: EXO, Journey, Westlife, and Avett Brothers. One of these things don't look like the other. If I only went for the most popular bands, I would never had developed an love for Avett Brothers. That would be sad.

We were not blowing up their fame. We were sharing our excitement. Which is a beautiful thing, unlike needlessly sharing a negative opinion. You don't have to share every thought. I'll share what another beanie did this week. "Before speaking or writing, THINK

Is it True?
Is it Helpful?
Is it Inspiring?
Is it Necessary?
Is it Kind?"

Even if you think it is true, it is not the other four especially helpful, inspiring or kind. If anything it would inspire some to avoid the "more" popular bands who you mentioned. And that would be very unfortunate, as they are talented.

Also, and I'm not trying to be mean but it might be taken that way. But is VIXX, BAP, Block B comparable to EXO, BTS? I'm a fan of all. I remember recently not even knowing if we'd be honored with BAP for a while. Because they weren't adored by their company. And our latest mission on YouTube for VIXX was a difficult accomplishment. Block B doesn't seem to be a high priority in the #kpopnation.

I'd love it if I was wrong. All of my bands deserve attention in my opinion ?

But next time you want to belittle an entire fandom, please do so with real reasons. I'm always up for new facts and understanding.

Sorry all for the mini rant. I'm off my soapbox.

TL;DR you are wrong because people who are fans of all the groups you mentioned are fans of BtoB. And the topic point wasn't popularity. Other artists are mentioned as well. And most of us don't speak Korean.

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Your comment is rather too organized for a rant. I wished I was half as organized as that for my writing.

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Omo, gomawoyo!

I posted this after my sleep aid. I tend to get really passionate and long winded with it. I'm glad it makes sense.

Meanwhile, other post after 11 is fangirling nonsense and some posted without intoxication are plain. Nice to know I have incredible range kekeke

*see it's 16:00 and I am cracking myself up outside Starbucks :)

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My jaw is dropping. As usual, I go on Dramabeans at work once a new week begins and what is this? ^.^
It's been 3 days and so many comments. Impressive, impressive. ^.^

I'll read them slowly and reply as necessary. Throughout the day during break time.

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FINALLY. I finished watching all videos posted!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hurray!!!!!! For some stupid reason, I felt proud of myself for doing it. lolzzzzzzz. I was watching at first to kill time. Dunno when, somehow in the middle of it, it became a challenge I had to accomplish to finish it all. lolzz. I'm a completist.

Anyway, had no other places to brag.

MISSION: ACCOMPLISHED.

*self-clap* Thank you very much!

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LOL. Applause to you.

I still have a few videos left from the playlists at the top to watch before I can say I watched all videos. *bows to you*

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I finished too. But isn't something to be ashamed of, more than to boast about? I could have gone with my friends to a cafe instead but declined them. Sometimes, I wonder if my real friend is the computer.

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I just came in today, so I have a lot to catch up to. ^^

I think I will watch all the individual links first (I've already watched a few) and then turn on the playlists at the top later (I've already started Playlist 2 during my replies).

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@Ollie

Are u me???? I am more online >>>>>> seeing real life friends. I feel bad.

I finished all vids quickly bc I knew most of them already except for the ones in Yong Eunji's posts. Is that cheating? idc. hmmmphf

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Finished everything. I was praying that no one would post new links because they kept popping up, but now that I'm done watching everything huhuhuhu I want more. hihihi

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Finished!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wooohooooo.

My fav post was the song recommendations, and Eunji's 2 posts.

I think I became a Melody in just 2 days ^^
I started watching their reality shows, and I think it's a done deal. I'm no longer free ^^ woooooh

I will start watching Sunjoy tomorrow. I cried so much watching their last episode in that playlist so now I want to watch from the beginning or I would feel cheated. I've paid my dues w/ my tears, now I want the cute. ^^

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Are you girls talking about THIS moment.

https://youtu.be/Nid-24nJvF4?t=47

If yes, then I 100% agree.

S.E.X.I.E.S.T MOVE EVARRRRRR

Damn Sungjae, he's going to kill me.

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Wooooopsie. Forgot to change my reply box. The sexy move comment is replying to 2.12 comments on Sungjae hips. What I wanted to say in this comment box before I got distracted and replied to another comment instead is THANK YOU to all of you for sharing. Especially the ones sharing about sexy stuff. Cheers.

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ikr. Im so grateful for everyone here. I almost don't ever come into ot. I cant believe I would have missed out on all the fun if not for beans of wisdom.

As for sexiest Sungjae moment, mine is not when he's on stage. It was during his last episode of wgm. His voice was super low during the whole time, and his stares whenever he looked at Joy were BURNING HOT imo.

My FAV is this one.

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https://youtu.be/ZMd8D-s5gqE?t=427
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I always watch the full director's cut of that episode because there are just so many extra Sungjae hot stares imo compared to the short aired version. I even turn off all the subtitles because they distract me from watching him. Poor Joy was crying her heart out and he kept looking at her and comforting. I find that more manly than sexy dance.

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YES!!!!!!!!

Someone zoomed in his face during that fav stare moment. I wish I knew how to make gif. SO HOT.

https://youtu.be/9IHUW5eoHMc?t=160

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LOL. Sungjae still looks like a fetus to me most of the time, even in that video of yours. I get why you would find it sexy tho. If he was older, I would probably have "swooned swoooned swooned" as well.

I tend to like it when he's acting more like an adult, like that video someone posted of him stripping out of his suit and adjusting his tie in one of the comments.

Or in this ending shot.

https://youtu.be/XWQs28INQtI?t=220

I guess I have a weakness for BAD BOYZ. ;)

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"FETUS"

LMFAO. I think he was 18 in that Hollywood tonight fancam, so slight exaggeration. Slight.

I like half-good/half-bad boys in real life, but I like watching bad boys much more. I agree with you, that last shot makes him look like a BAD BOY but I prefer this moment instead from the Brand New dance.

https://youtu.be/XWQs28INQtI?t=98

It combines your love for bad boys' sexy stares with Emma's love for sexy moves.
In the Competition for SEXIEST Sungjae Moment, I WIN! Wink.

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I waited for everyone to stop posting before making a compilation playlist of all the shared vids. ^^ Enjoy!

BTOB covers and some individual Sungjae covers
https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=uheUs8rMSbo,5_WDXQtRUCs,K04gWXmO_1w,tATz4o0xrjk,a6DNkLvHxZ8,_FuSAoIRU-I,r9mgFWLHM-M,39JIZ2lYJSg,59LCS03tDpc,XWQs28INQtI,xt5G_BoVxT4,KNj0ecmGyK8,BglR1hfNqg0,eBN6bbpIIqk,txhSFDontYY,6EWAW-y5mUs,4YX9BiOJZh8,o5plxnNudhk,VgPxR1Lul3s,0kZhkUim-T0

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Sungjae + BTOB dances and acrobatics/gymnastics/athletics

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=Nid-24nJvF4,w5iZpuxUFD8,9GdFmuUE0e0,nJWO7z5LfGA,SBEJ6d4xiUA,KBYOBch9YSE,gprarTmUsUs,KhrVv49HiZM,243KNmv8XYQ,Aqf1Qb0Agc0,Wm_a4xGikko,WUvLnAHYYto,18Q-coheEFU,Fvd_dvKu7pA,pcepA5huNFY,wNMBh0BF_lE,1KLI4f2CWcc,RCJHSRHEDHU,txhSFDontYY,gOgodN1CdOk

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Sungjae/BTOB dance and acrobatics part 2 (including a couple of funny/comical dances)

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=f4rN5Y7Dx_I,da6ST_-CdbQ,lwap_00T1tE,WsW69fpeRfA,eMbimVO9gEM,MGrOeLqDAHk,OWAQhpN4IwA,G0QYxdbexaM,rQmbAMinG-A,fYybzWCHI9U,9C4nHwsLUS8,jftcMPDFr6Q,RHXF1oDMC0U,XWQs28INQtI,1SPOQtJlDaM,j_L167HhkEo,H4_uPd0rqmU,fa2GSDZ9_Bc,m7JPtIs7R3s,gB-5s0Vw6eQ

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Lastly, some BTOB funny, fun or special live performances

The first 3 clips have one member rip his pants in the middle of the performance.

No. 1 - Close to the beginning
No. 2 and No. 3 : both at 2:30 mark (I can't use the timed-link feature on youtube in a playlist)

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=Tal_8dRIsUA,bG8yr1hNSCo,lUfMnxlKFXY,ipB6G5f-4aM,rrb7wRkLY9s,TwOC87kklLQ,PeeGOxjtgik,I0K1RtTyTig,y8qaHpUrKdM,Kc9xWb1ez8c,NBCi3on2IkM,GFPl0BHt05A,xjNc_iIGvao,YXezCog3cms

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More non-youtube links shared by Beanies.

Splash Splash Love drama with subs
https://www.viki.com/tv/29455c-splash-splash-love

King of Masked Singer Episode 43 and 44 with English Subs (Music Commander - Ha Hyun Woo of Guckkasten first appearance)
http://kshowonline.com/kshow/4391-%5Bengsub%5D-king-of-mask-singer-ep.43

Sungjoy Episodes with English Subs
http://sungjoyfamily.blogspot.com/p/episodes.html
(Full episodes on kshowonline, kshowdaily)

BTOB V-live with English Subs
http://www.vlive.tv/video/7262/BTOB-%EB%B4%84%EB%82%A0%EC%9D%98-%EA%B8%B0%EC%96%B5Remember-that-%EC%BB%B4%EB%B0%B1-%EC%B2%AB-%EC%A3%BC-%EB%B9%84%ED%95%98%EC%9D%B8%EB%93%9C

Peniel vlog
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPtear1tL9P1gpnEDSgF05w

Yong Eunji also shared BTOB tweets translations. All credit to Yong Eunji for following quote:

But I don’t want all of you to fall for BtoB too much. Just love them enough.ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

So here is a wake-up call. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

BtoB uploading on SNS clips of them talking about poorn. Omona.

http://onehallyu.com/topic/187-btob-official-thread-novembercomeback/page-658

There is one translation that is incorrect.

Sungjae didn’t say he has only watched poorn once.

The sentence structure in Korean is for

“Since I was born, I have never even once watched poorn”

has “Since I was born, I watched poorn even once I have never”

So when Sungjae said “Watched poorn even once….” It is a joke because Melody expect him to say “I have never,” but he says “I have” instead ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ and

trolls us.

So Sungjae means, “Everyone, from when I was born until now, watching poorn even once I have done so.”
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

BTOB is not for everyone these crazy idols. ♡♡♡♡♡♡

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Song recommendations by everyone. I included songs in my own Sungjoy Playlist (at the top of comment No. 2), and songs which were recommended without a link.

BTOB songs recommendation Playlist 1

(with Music videos, lyrics videos...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=i06rYg2Kqyg,g-wNPQfGUbA,56D_ZOr03QE,f4rN5Y7Dx_I,kvPBaM5EwrE,_Yxo99F9_AE,cXcUXWL1mJA,eMbimVO9gEM,uTB_2OfZMrk,2NVHXHYSrJg,bYXLxXM9MH0,HyMFZXxtyPE,-WUZYewLvxM,OJMxA3O6KUg,gM9E79wEW3Y,mTLY17lMP5Y,ANIJXhYDA9o,ag831owrFw4,cjeeMxZyblI,t1-AnFmQEfo

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BTOB korean songs recommendations Playlist 2

(Music videos, Lyrics videos, ...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=GSk-pa4aPUE,FmuHZa6DQOc,ICVx-mi3eYI,8LJjRO9841U,A_HBWKF2BDg,Sx4irKdvfjk,aqQnruceHio,iR594AHt_co,NIUolZ814K4,bRbhjljaHjA,dvPgM9tm2ok,ag831owrFw4,WL3Fr---MMw,TiOgPR9JK-M,beJIQw8BmSM,ZZjO1MTS_54,FvraBlRDCVM,g71_WdcXoRk,A1aRHQ6EnXE,MkfB0FIcoAs

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BTOB Japanese songs recommendations by Beanies ^^

I never listened to their Japanese discography before. It's beautiful. ^^ There was some space left, so I added several Korean Music Videos ^^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=PpfIpQP0oWc,rOCQ_easiS0,G8BEPY1KhqI,MpK0Q9rJM4o,t63kMGZQZ5o,coCigikG8q4,dUxR87Xjbfk,KcL1G7Bk2Vk,rAwI1smGMsM,w2MgU5XGe7Q,fG3WNaciVxw,D9ckp8w4bpw,UvlOfgcLdAk,ExctNDEYyqo,UvlOfgcLdAk,g_rdpCBLuak,qgtaSJ3PSMM,RQoOEEnKlVY,khE7pSOgDbA,J6wwClvnq8Y

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Other Youtube recommended videos and non-BTOB "healing songs" (thank you Michelle for your kind words ^^ I really appreciate them ^^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=vShol-mFbaQ,SnMoDDbEccE,QcsdA-oGrkQ,RUi54JTgL5s,L-8YXPJgm1M,gbrbUfYSt0E,H59z3eixoeE,iy4mXZN1Zzk,_coVR9c3Fho,r0U0AlLVqpk,9IHUW5eoHMc,WrbDwxJZrAQ,KsBj359kpRk,QLhOtOlbrbI,g71_WdcXoRk

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Happy Friday!

I stopped by to grab some coffee in the local Starbucks near my office and yet again the barista got my name wrong. So that made me want to ask y'all if your DB username has some sort of meaning behind it. I chose this name because I have the tendency to go back and forth on things and people at times (hee), I guess I'm half as curious to see if my fellow beanies managed to put some thought into their chosen usernames. ???

Also, Jealousy Incarnate's 15th episode was bonkers-ly good. That montage of Na Ri and Hwa Shin at the start of the episode was the best part of the episode for me. It showed us how their relationship began with them bumping into one another on several occasions, then Na Ri's not-so-secret crush on Hwa Shin, to their fated encounter in Thailand and the start of Hwa Shin's recognition of Na Ri when they ended up in the hospital that ultimately made them closer and eventually Hwa Shin falling in deep for Na Ri. Call it what you want, that montage just told me that these two are just fated to be together.

Who didn't die laughing when Hwa Shin was stripping his clothes in front of Jung Won?

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"Beanfan" simply means I'm a fan of DramaBEANs! (It probably is an easy guess.)

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I have been called redfox everywhere since at leats 2003. I used to be hundu ("little wolf") before that but my friends decided I am too outspoken for a wolf. people are more comfortable calling me by the nickname than the real name plus my real name gets mixed up with ALL the other names that have two vowels in the center. working in the museum 4 years and they still have it all mixed up and just use random names on me.

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So...would your friends recognise you if they came to this site??

I often wonder I know any of you...

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With this username, nope they won't know its me.

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unfortunately, they would never come to a drama site :-(

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hi superfox,

i re-nicknamed you from a post a while back where you ran up the museum stairs during a fire. supercharged superfox!

owl is my nickname from supporting and helping save the great horned owl habitat where I lived. Just this past summer I was lucky to come across a great horned owl and two babies in a cliff nest up in the mountains. they're such beautiful creatures. Unfortunately my camera slipped out of my pocket while crossing some rapids over rocks and although my brother was able to grab the camera downstream it was wrecked. putting it in rice didn't help.

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I sympathise. My camera lens got broken while on holiday and the technician couldn't fix it. So now I have to get a new lens, and I'm feeling poorer than ever :(

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All hail Mother Nature.

I usually carefully choose My usernames. But since i was about to create an account on Mydramalist which is more of a korean content propagation site, I chose this username.

That shows i wasn't much serious about korean dramas and my respect for korean tv content has increased a little bit. Korean movies are completely different thing.

I like all animals but since I'm acting lazy and lousy past many months i chose Cat as myusername.

Cat O Cat ----> O is actually the integer 0 and since we call 0 is OH! my username is

Cat OH! Cat -----> 2nd Cat is repeated for Rhythm.

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I wasn't sure if it was one word or a phrase. Yay! I was right!

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ah, that´s right, superfox! I am indeed reminded of that incident every time you call me that :-) it is always accompanied by Chariots of fire, too

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@owl,

Good for you! Great horned owls, and all other owls, are such magnificent creatures... The fantasy writer, Guy Gavriel Kay, seems to really like them as well. It would be a shame if their flame burns out like so many other species.

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I chose my name, Mermaid Scribbler, because I am a writer who lives by the sea. Scribbler comes from the famous author, Nathaniel Hawthorne, and his quote, "America is now wholly given over to a * mob of scribbling women...."

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I knew scribbler had to do with writing! I thought you just liked mermaids though lol

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...and that mob of scribbling women should all converge and attack kill Trump with their ink!!

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I only comment if I agree with thoughts of other beanies... disagreement I'll pass on..I hate arguments (I have enough of it in my life) so "agree" is my username...

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I completely agree, agree! ?

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I had noticed that you only comment when you agree. Good back story!

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So that made me want to ask y’all if your DB username has some sort of meaning behind it.

It was the name of an adorable but stupid dog I knew as a kid (seriously, she was SO DUMB. But so adorable)

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and I always thought it was some sort of ball game.

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I thought it was the stick.

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I chose this name for the obvious reason, it means happy in korean. I actually decided to use this name after watching this scene in MDBC where ra on will be unwell and yeong will look after her. She will wake up with tears in her eyes and yeong will console her telling its just a bad dream. But she will say "aaniya, imbuk kum" because she got to see her mother and I liked it "happy dream" but decided to use just just imbuk in the end.

Regarding jealousy incarnate, I didn't expect the show to take this route at all. But I should have expected it considering it always take the wackiest route possible. It dealt with cheating the way it deals with everything, unbelievably petty and hilarious. Especially when hwa shin took off his clothes, I was like "what?! Its the middle of the road!". Ha ha. But I super enjoy this show and I have no idea what that says About me because the leads do really embarrassing stuff sometimes. I guess, that's why I like it because we never get to see that side of ost people in real life.

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Sorry, replied here by mistake. This was in reply to yoyo's first post.

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I love the story behind your name!!!

Re: Jealousy Incarnate

While I still think the story/plot is predictable, it's really how they get to the predictable part which makes it unpredictable. Its crazy, right?
Whenever this show is on, everything I know and believe about relationships is squashed. It continues to test my beliefs and principles on love but I keep losing, because it seems illogical to justify any of the characters action and intentions. It just makes you want to cheer for all of them even if you know they're bordering crazy wrong. Gah. I love this show!

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@yoyo yes! It does do that, it shows different views on all things and shows so many offbeat concepts. We root for all the characters because we know they all deserve happiness because they are not bad just another flawed human. I love this show too!

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Well, the dog was probably named after the stick, so in a way you're right ;)

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I always thought of "pogo stick" too. You bouncing from place to place. Heyy, you can switch up with Yoyo ???

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My username is...my actual first name. I'm a small time blogger and manuscript editor, so I have to maintain internet visibility. Unless I was going to do something dispicable there's no point and in trying to maintain anonymity. I try never to do anything thing dispicable on or off the net, and I am too much myself to nickname me. I'm sure that makes no sense. Also there are a bajilllion Anne's out there. No one I know likes drama :(. If they did I would have someone to talk to about it, and I would spend way less time on here.

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The bazillion Kim's, Park's, John's, Mary's and Lee's agree with you.

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I had been lurking in DB for quite sometime, content to just read the recaps and comments, before I decided to write my own comments as well. I think it was MOTW that first took me out of my lurking. LOL. I tossed in K in the beginning of my nickname cause well, K-Drama.

It's always a pleasure reading through the comments and sharing our thoughts to one another. :)

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I guessed this one right too. Yay!

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So I was right in thinking that it's a puppy name but totally wrong with Pongo from 101 Dalmatians lol.

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lol no, my namesake was a golden retriever. Not a Dalmatian.

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I chose this screen name because I am a person with a sweet disposition, but when I sometimes get mad I get sour (just ask my family lol), so my name is Kind of like a personality flavor.

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I thought it would've been because you like sweet & sour pork (a Chinese(?) dish) :p

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That is funny, because I am a vegetarian ?

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I had a feeling it was about the two extremes of your personality. This is fun!

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Its super fun!!

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Aww! ^^

Part of my username is from a dog I knew in my childhood too. Coco was a chubby poodle(?) with lots of curly white fur. She was my family friend's pet. I was too young then that I didn't know what breed it was.

And Boo is actually from the cute ghost from Super Mario. ^^

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my username has nothing to do with being cheesy (probably.....)

this is Sanchez handle name,
He is a Korean Singer from band called Phantom and featured in many songs, his real name is Shin Jaemin
One day he rap in the song and called himself Sancheezy (I am serious) and I think it's funny so I used it, he is a very good singer and I just can't get it out from my head,
then I remember no one used the name in DB,

I almost used Nara as in Shikamaru Nara but it sounds like "nation" in Korean ,
almost used ShinZy but it sounds like Shinji-koyote member,
JaeZy wait .... that's a famous name
MinZy wait.. that's jung junha handle name and Minzy (the ex 2NE1 member)

well I put a lot of thought apparently and it's all Sanchez related

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oic, I associated your name with cheese too :)

I chose Pebble because I used to live near a lovely beach with pristine white sand and what makes it special are the long patches of beautiful pebbles of all shapes, sizes and color which accumulate at the border of the beach. I've not visited that beach for quite a while, how I missed the spectacular sunset at that beach, probably I should go back this coming summer..

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I always get the impression that you choose Pebble because of beach,
I miss the view on the beach too, and all the coral and the hot sand,
I used to live in small island when I can go to the beach only in 30 minutes and it's really good,
the problem is I am not that good of a swimmer and I really think that I missed out something from the ocean,
I wished I can dive but it's so hard for me,

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I'm also not those active kind who swims, dives, surfs or sun tan, I go to beaches mostly to spend time with friends over a barbie (i.e. BBQ), and just to sit by the beach leisurely watching the ebb and flow of the tides and letting time slips by doing nothing. :)

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I always think of a perfect pebble, shaped from decades by an ocean when I read your name.

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Hehe, I totally thought of Sanchez when I saw your username! I don't know him that well... just heard of Phantom a few times.

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thank you . . . nice to see someone knew him,
I can see how people think it because Sanchez as in my real name or someone real name
it's pretty normal name and I only add the-zy at the end . . .

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I wanted to consolidate so I used the same username as my blog--but that name came about because that's how I feel when I read. One of my absolute favorite things is sitting down with a cup of hot cider, soft rain on the window, a fire in the fireplace and a good book to read. The epitome of cozy living. ^^

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If you blog about reduced nag books by the fire with cider...that is awesome. I wish I real life knew you.

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Admittedly I talk more about dramas and motivation than books now, but I still love reading. I'm a bit confused about "reduced nag" though. ^^ Would you mind explaining, and forgive my confusion?

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Funny thing happened last Tuesday when my mom dropped by and she saw that I was in the middle of reading something in my iPad. Then she pinched my arm while scolding me that all the while she thought I was reading an ebook whereas I was in deep zen thought responding to comments on the Scarlet Heart recap page in db.

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That totally happens to me all the time, and not just with kdramas! People will start talking with me and then mention they were a bit afraid to strike up a conversation because I looked like I was deep in thought about something. My reply: "Oh no! I was just wondering what I wanted to eat when I finished this."

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Posting with an iPad while watching a toddler. Apparently auto correct thinks "reading" should be "reduced nag". Why auto correct why?

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Philosophical question of the day, with no right answer:

In order to fully love someone--holding back no love from them--do you have to love everything about them?

Again, no right answer--draw upon your favorite kdrama for your response, if you so desire. ^^

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this was meant to go at the bottom, don't answer here!

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I'm mostly a lurker here, but I've been using "cecilia" as pen name everywhere including this site. When I was a postgrad student, PHD Comics was like my sacred book, and Cecilia is the name of one of its characters. A self-proclaimed nerd, a long-time PHD students who's being held back by a mysterious force from graduation... She was my hero, my friend, she was practically me.

At that time I was also an avid fan of HIMYM--one of my favorite episodes was the one where Marshall made this Venn's diagram based on Simon and Garfunkel's "Cecilia" because...what else? I'm an old soul and they are my favorite musicians!

In short, it's as if the universe has chosen that name for me.

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Omo, another PhD comics fan! By the way, Drinking Solo reminds me very much of PhD comics, especially when they're procrastinating... (so much of my procrastination took the form of watching kdramas lol)

My name, um, is a homage to my favourite pig rabbit of all time I suppose. And wishfully hoping Tae Kyung would hug me.

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realiti - to remind myself not to get too caught up with the online world. The "i" at the end is to subtly hint I'm female.

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I would never have guessed about that "i"...subtle indeed! :P

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I started using this username when I became DBSK fans in 2007. I guess it's pretty obvious, Mary + Xiah (my bias), I used to consider myself Xiah's wife, I mean all idols fans do that right, so I ended up using this username everywhere and came to identify myself with this name. Now I'm no longer his super fans, but I still like him as a good singer.

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Gelai is the name of the main character in the Filipino drama, Magkaribal (Rivals) My two friends nicknamed me that while they picked the names of the other characters in that drama, Vera and Victoria. The dramas is basically what the title suggests. It is one of our favorite Filipino dramas.

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So that made me want to ask y’all if your DB username has some sort of meaning behind it

My name means "pineapple princess" (gongzhu = princess in Chinese), it's from a cute little Hawaiian song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMVEixHnXys

The story behind it is a harrowing tale of theft and redemption! Basically, my sister's (then) boyfriend loves pineapples, and his friend brought him one for Hawaii. For whatever reason, he thought it was a good idea to store the pineapple in our refrigerator without telling any of us that it was his.

During the day, each member of my family opened the fridge and saw a pineapple(!) there. No one claimed it. Finally, at dinner my dad said "it must be a gift from God! Let's eat it!" I don't like pineapple that much, but everyone said it was the BEST pineapple they had ever eaten. So, I ate a SLIVER.

Right on cue, once we had finished the pineapple, sister's beau comes a-callin' and asked "Where did my pineapple go?" I was horrified. I was the one who ate the LEAST and only because I was urged to, but I had this overwhelming guilt.

So, when my friend, Scott, took a trip to Hawaii a few months later, I asked him to bring me back a pineapple so I could replace the one eaten. He got one, true enough, but I had a bear of a time trying to send it from Northern California down to Southern California.

I bought an ice chest, and ice, and put the pineapple there, bought a box and tape....only to go to the postal service worker tell me I couldn't transport fresh fruit via the U.S. postal service. FAIL.

Anyway, I finally did replace that pineapple to my sister's boyfriend...like 1.5 years later. I ended up eating the pineapple that Scott bought me. It was tasty. But, once I told Scott WHY I asked him to buy the pineapple and the lengths to which I went to replace what I had barely eaten, he nicknamed me Pineapple Princess.

THE END

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haha, so I guessed right about the meaning of your name.

And you win for most hilarious story. All that trouble for a pineapple.....I'm kind of dying @the thought of the discovery of the first pineapple though.

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Ha ha.. Love the interesting story behind your name, pineappleGongzhu. I laughed out loud when I read what your father said. Thanks for sharing it! :)

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PineappleGongzhu, your username story wins hands down! LOL.

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Haha great story!!! ^^

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There was this US tv show that also had a mysterious pineapple...was it Friends? I forget.

But damn, the story behind your name is epic! And hello fellow norcal-er! ???

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I think it was in How I met your mother. ^^

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Yassss! Thanks! I remember the blue horn, pineapple and the yellow umbrella!

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@Yoyo

Hi hi, fellow NorCaler!! I lived in Berkeley for 12 years. You?

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Great story!

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@PineappleGongzhu :) Love the story behind your name. Nice that you cared enough to try to replace with an authentic Hawaiian pineapple.

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Lol <3. I miss eating fresh-pineapple from the island. It's what I call real pineapple and that goes for mangoes and bananas too.
I hate what they are selling at the states (I'm sure they hate me too). The taste, the look uhh doesn't even come close.

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Best story evah!

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Mashi is from the cartoon character Mashimaro/Yepki Tokki (fat rabbit). My now-husband then-boyfriend would always give me a bunch of Mashimaro plush items when we started dating.

Momo is from My Kim Sam Soon, which officially started my obsession with kdramas. It's a character of the book that Sam-soon was reading to Mi-joo, which I just found out is not a Korean book and is from the same author of Neverending story. In the drama, Mi-joo was unable to talk because of the trauma of seeing her parents die in a car accident. Sam Soon was trying to find a way to connect to her and told the story of Momo, a little girl who does not talk a lot but a great listener.

I tend to be consistent with this handle on my various social media kdrama related things, since I try to be semi-incognito about my fangirling ^_^. But if you happen to see me, do say hi!

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Barbrey comes from Lady Barbrey in the Song of Ice and Fire books, which I started reading about 15 years ago. My name is Barbara and I've always thought it sounded stuffy, nickname Barb sounds sharp and curt, nickname Barbie too dollish for obvious reasons. I loved the Barbrey variation. Because my memory is bad, I tend to use variations of Barbrey on line now.

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Yay, another fantasy reader! Now I wish I picked a different name! haha..

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Good question! I love reading all the replies and getting to know more about fellow beanies.

My db name is my secondary nickname. I was setting up a blogspot at like 4 am when I was 16 and my writing name, CoJa Brown, was taken. It suggested ones I didn't like but also mentioned something about fave animals and colors.

Purple is my favorite color. My animals were giraffe & turtle but the combos didn't look good to me. Since I was online so late and blog late, I went with Owl for night owl.

I commented a couple times under different names. Names I don't even remember but when I started commenting regularly I wanted something I meaningful. And since I can link to my blog, this is the one I went with.

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Whoa, seeing everyone's meanings for their names I feel like my name choice was pretty lackluster! It's basically my nickname (if it ended with a "y" people would think I'm a guy, heh), so that's all there is to it. I do have another username, but i like to keep things simple for this site~

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it's my nickname, but people who don't know me often think it's because I like kitkats. (fyi, I don't like them, don't like nestlé and its unethical ways either.)

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rhia is short for Rhiannon, Merlin's sister in TA Barron's Merlin books. I just found the name pretty. :) A small 'r' because...I'm lazy. (I used to think, e.e. cummings but then eh, just admit it, self, you're lazy. Haha.)

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I've been using lilyleftthevalley for a bit now, but I've had/have other usernames.

This one is both a play on the flower of a similar name (which my Nana grew when I was young and I also love) as well as the fact that I've lived in a few places that in are valleys, but left them.

With the latter reason, the first time I used it as net name was after I left Sun Valley California to head back east.

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My user name comes from the combination of my surname and my first name. But it also happened to come out as my true identity, lol! Among my peers, I'm just "Kal-El" while we may seem as "Supermen" to every one else's eyes. Most of the time, i just live on our planet, Krypton...

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My dear Beanie-nim, long time no see! How have you been?

Anything worth watching this year yet?

I start to become mildly interested in Jealousy Incarnate (despite the title), because of Seo Suk-yang in combination with Gong Hyo-jin and Jo Jung-seok.
Seo is not a flawless writer by any means: meandering and pointless sideplots, and characters who are barely more than walzing stereotypes (on a good day; on a bad day they are not even walzing). There's usually not much of a plot in the first place (which doesn't necessarily bother me much though). On the other hand, she does have a certain love for details and recognises and finds unusual (by K-drama standards) "humanness" in her cardboard characters and contrived situations.
Gong Hyo-jin and Jo Jung-seok are very similar in her acting approach, and they are, in my opinion, a perfect fit for Seo. Both don't have much of an acting range, they tend to play either very similar characters all the time or play them very similarly (or both). But they are exceptionally (by K-drama standards) great at doing exactly that. Just like with Seo, you know exactly what to expect from the characters, but they still manage to bring them to life.
In combination, this could work! My question is: Does it?

Usually I'd just watch a few episodes to decide whether to pick it up or not, but I haven't watched any K-drama since February(?) and my K-drama immune system might not be able to handle even a mediocre show anymore.

Obliged, Jon G.

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If you want something refreshing, try Shopping King Louis. If you want a new take on a rom-com, try Jealousy Incarnate and OHYA. If you want abs, try The K2. If you want melo, OTWTTA is good. Sageuk? Try the moon series, MDBC and Scarlet Heart are reigning Monday and Tuesday favorites. If you a slice of life, hit up Drinking Solo.

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Watch it. It is because of their acting that many has stuck with the drama. It's hilarious no joke about that.

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Jon G. -

Long time no see indeed!

What? No kdramas since February?? Where do you find the strength? ...... You should be put in a test tube and studied.

I'm kidding.

Good to see you once again!

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I was utterly fed up with K-drama at that point. And then came tvN with "Cheese" and pushed me over the brink ...

I did stop by here from time to time, but from the way you guys were talking back then, there wasn't anything worth "relapsing" for anyway ...

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Cheese nearly sent me over the brink too, I've really curbed the 'watch as it airs' habit.

Avoid K2 at all costs, Soon Yoon-ah is great but it's a mess. I'm not watching Jealousy Incarnate but I also heard rumblings of discontent about recent story happenings from other beanies, so take that as you will.

Basically, there were only two dramas I'd actually rec to anyone and neither of them came with any hype.

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Have to agree about the K2. It just isn't doing it for me.

Jealousy Incarnate's recent episodes have had quite a polarizing effect on the audience. I'd actually say the majority loves the recent developments (like me) because there is something bizarrely hilarious about how the relationship between the 3 leads is playing out. And, even when causing tear-inducing laughter, it remains emotionally-engaging throughout. The acting & ab-libs by the leads really make it all come to life.

Seriously though, I don't know if I've ever laughed as much watching a kdrama episode as I did when watching episode 15 of JI this week and it arguably should have been the angstiest episode yet.

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K2 should be a show for Song Yoon Ah alone. I don't give a damn either to Ji Chang Wook or Yoona here.

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So very same..

Dont think watchd ne drama other than kill me heal me in 2014 n none in 2015....

And den cheeze happened..n 2016 has been exceptionally good... havent run out of livewatching dramas this yr.. even d lineup for last three months looks interesting..

A gud yr for a lot of actors who gained more recog..n kent in general seems to hv gained more populariry..

Its a shame cheese willbe firgotten...wat started off as a rynaway hit.. cud hv gone on to become a cult classic.. was ruined..

Entourage better meet d stnds for tvn to hv handwriggled other show for its sake

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Welcome back, Jon G. We missed you and your sanity here. I hope you had a good break from all these dramas.

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Sanity?

You mean the sanity that told me to stay away from K-drama after I finally got clean?

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Hi Jon G.! Nice to see you here again!

Jealousy gets better after the first episodes, you should give it a chance if only for the actors. The story is nothing new but it does have many good moments. Episode 15 was probably the best but will you get there? I don't remember if you watched Oh Hae Young Again, if you didn't the characters are more interesting than JI and the plot is better, I think it will be better for you. I didn't like Eric, he's pretty terrible, but many people loved him so maybe you won't mind?

Avoid K2, since abs are not your thing :) or sageuks. Other favorite here was Squad 38, I didn't finish yet because I got bored by the schemes but the actors were good.

If you want a melo and don't care much about very strange second leads maybe On The Way to The Airport? The colors are beautiful. There is something quiet and nice about this show.

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"Oh Hae Young Again" doesn't ring a bell, and if it's a 2016 show, I definitely have not seen it (or anything else for that matter).

he’s pretty terrible, but many people loved him so maybe you won’t mind?

I have a very strong hunch I will mind ...

As I mentioned, I don't expect spectacular or remotely original characters or plot (any plot) from a Seo Suk-hyang drama. I ended up liking "Pasta" and "Miss Korea" a lot anyway. As long as the ability of both leads and the writer to create something authentically human once in a while outweights all the expectable baggage ...

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Yes, OHYA is from this year, you should give it a chance, I will also say I detest the second lead characters and the comedy in their scenes which is completely different from the rest of the show. It's like you have 2 shows in one, the main characters are realistic and relatable, the female second lead even gets to be a real person, but the rest is just paper people, there for the laughs. Many here disagreed though so I would be curious to read your take if you ever do give it a chance. :)

>As long as the ability of both leads and the writer to create something authentically human once in a while outweights all the expectable baggage

I'd say Jealousy does have that. :)

I also recommend Age of Youth, the first half was very good and it's a shorter show, only 12 episodes.

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Welcome back Jon, it's a good time now to be back, there are so many good kdramas which were recently aired or are currently airing!

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I'm about to find out (very carefully). It definitely was an excellent time to take a break back in February ...

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If you stopped watching kdramas in February, did you still see 'Signal'? Don't quite remember when it was aired.. If not, I would recommend you to try that one. Also 'Dear my friends' and another one called 'Age of youth'. They are all a bit different from what you usually get in kdramas so they might be able to cleans your palate so to speak.

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I started Signal, but gave it up due to the tvN ban.

"Age of Youth" is pretty much booked by now, after all the positive (personal filter applied) things I read here.

"Dear My Friends" sounds like something I'd have to watch ... if only it ran on jtbc.

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I think Signal deserves another shot!

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Welcome back, Jon! Long time and all.

I have a grand total of two recs for this year, and they are

1) Police Unit 38 - about a band of crooks who team up with an honest tax collector to get taxes out of rich people who don't want to pay them. A++ ensemble cast (I swear, Seo In-gook and Ma Dong-seok are on FIRE), and will keep you on your toes with all the conning and the suspense. Plus any drama that defies the first-leads-second-leads formula, is usually worth checking out and this one is no exception.

2) Age of Youth - slice-of-life story about five college-age girls who live in the same boarding house. Again, fantastic ensemble cast, with Han Ye-ri at its centre but equal weight given to the stories of the other girls, and a surprising amount of fleshing out of the kind of characters who usually make up stock tropes in other dramas. I can't say it's perfect, but after the first time it made me ugly cry, I realised it's the best thing I've seen all year, and it's going to be VERY hard to beat. (seriously, check this one out).

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PU38 ... sounds like a solid thing, except for the suspense part. Not a big fan of K-drama plot suspense writing. Then again, I'm one of the guys who complains that G.R.R. Martin sucks at plotting twists and Steven Kings sucks at writing mystery.

AoY ... slice of life sounds great, fleshing out stock characters sounds like what I'd expect from "JI". I'd put it on the list ...

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oh believe me there is suspense, or should I say, you will never know from where a twist hits you. If you are a viewer who likes to be right occasionally and feel a sense of control....dont watch it. You get so conned by these twists. Or just stop trying to think, guess or follow anything. blank mind is the best or it will fry your brain up.

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If you are a viewer who likes to be right occasionally and feel a sense of control….dont watch it.

That's the issue with twist plotting: Either you give fair clues to the audience and bore the more genre-savvy ones to death; or you have to rely on dishonest story-telling, which is the very difficult art of not telling a story. (And those are the two options that still work. "Liar Game" managed to screw up so badly that you could accurately predict the plot holes.)

But you sound very confident and it seems that this is not the single strength of the show.

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I think PU38 is a cut above what usually passes for suspense in dramas - it's almost like a heist drama in places? But yeah, I'd say if you don't like it after three episodes, it's best to clock out because that's more or less set the tone.

AoY was rather unique. not only because it's female-centric but also because whoever was behind it writes friendships like she gets them. That's very rare in entertainment of any kind, let alone kdramas.

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AoY was rather unique. not only because it’s female-centric but also because whoever was behind it writes friendships like she gets them. That’s very rare in entertainment of any kind, let alone kdramas.

You got my attention ... ;)

I'm a sucker for friendships. Especially because they don't seem to exist in K-dramas. There are bromances and plot device sidekicks and of course the uncounted "just friends", but friendship does seem to exist or at least not to deserve any screen time.

(This is especially strange because almost all of the few Koreans I know personally are very much friendship-centric people.)

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Well then, JI should be just up your alley too. The friendship between the two male leads is hilarious, original and touching - one of the strengths of the drama. I think JI's attraction varies on the type of humour you enjoy. If you'vs got a keen sense of the ridiculous, you'll love it.

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Age of Youth: booked

W That sounds a little bit like "God's gift" or "Nine", shows that suffered severely from being high-concept with no follow-up.

OHYA Mixed things so far from the comments here. I guess I can test an episode or two eventually.

Honestly, watching K-dramas is a strange pastime around here, even if I wasn't a middle-aged male. When I list K-drama among my hobbies, people will usually just skip past it because they never heard of the term. Which I can only assume is a good thing?!

(My wife is a professor of engineering, she wouldn't even have the time to follow shows, but more importantly she's even more picky than me (though less verbosely analytical) and much, much less lenient towards certain unavoidable ingredients of the K-drama genre, like the ever same stock characters, formulaic plotting, superficial romance, this kind of stuff.)

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I'd say that "W" is better than both "God's Gift" (which I dropped) and "Nine" (which I liked, but its not a favorite). Despite its flaws, "W" still ended up being a favorite of mine. Also interesting tidbit, "W" is by the same writer of "Nine".

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Funny because 2016 has been THE drama year for me where I came back and watched a lot more than I can handle, or even remember. I sat thru Cheese and learned to disengage when the plot started to go haywire.

Thirding (or fourthing?) Age of Youth and Police Squad 38. And definitely Jealousy Incarnate if you've liked the previous 2 dramas from the same writing team. And if you ask me, Jealousy Incarnate probably the best and most engaging out of Miss Korea and Pasta. It's wacky and cheeky and greatly unpredictable while maintaining that slice of life feel.

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i strongly recommended Age of Youth. The other two jTBC dramas that I recommended are Ms Temper & Nam Jung Ki (sounds like a romcom, but no. It is more than the standard romcom, in fact the romance was very little. ) Now I am loving Fantastic, this one with terminal illness but it has different touch than some terminal illness drama. This is kind of show,- male leads having the best bromance ever,& female leads also having a very great friendship. of course there are also bad ppl but the strength about this drama is the friendship.

Sounds like jTBC keep producing great drama and I love it!

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@pogo

I had a feeling these were the two shows you were referring to above! Completely agree with these recommendations. My favorites of the year, especially Age of Youth. That show was flawed perfection.

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@Chandler - yeah, you guessed right!

Age of Youth was a true standout, and a real surprise - I really wasn't expecting it to be so good. It has its issues, a slow first episode being among them, but once it got going, it was greatness.

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Hey Jon G. welcome back to kdramas and DB.
I hope you give Jealousy Incarnate a try but remember that you will have to wait for at least 4 episodes. The first episodes will confuse you if whether you should put an effort to try the others but they seriously get better and not only better but really good. Your description about Seo and both GHJ and JJS is so apt and these three are indeed going well together.

Plus, if you do start watching it, please give your reviews. I used to look forward to your views on a drama when you used to frequently comment on DB.

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I hope you give Jealousy Incarnate a try but remember that you will have to wait for at least 4 episodes.

The writer is not particularly strong in coming straight to the point (I sympathise!), she likes to digress and shuffle and layout out way too many characters and unnecessarily complicated set-ups for not much of a plot payoff (I sympathise again!).

That's one of the reasons why I ask for help, I know I have to test my stamina with this one and I'm quite a bit out of training ...

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You have basically explained the first two episodes right there. There are so many characters whose stories do not come out straight and episode 1 in particular juggles with all of this. But by episode 2 you will be able to decide if you want to continue it or not. So, I guess you would at least give 2 episodes to decide if you want to continue it or not? I mean that's my minimum count because first episodes hardly impress me. However, the story in JI settles by episode 4, that is why I asked you to give at least 4 episodes a try.

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Hi Jon G., I actually mix you up with Jon...are you the one who likes Japanese dramas, and...who enjoyed Heard It Through the Grapevine?

Anyway, welcome back! Not sure what you like, but I second the Oh Hae Young Again recommendation, and Moonlight Drawn By Stars seems to very popular--though I haven't watched.

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I started to mix myself up with John too at one point ...

While "Grapevine" is maybe my favourite show, I'm not into Japanese shows, mostly because of cultural barriers. So, no, I'm not _that_ John.

(I'm the guy who hated 'Kill Me Heal Me', who continued to make rude remarks about all those shiny idol dramas and who got into fights with Misaeng-die-hards over certain plot blunders.)

"Moonlight" is a sageuk? If yes, I'm probably not going to tackle something like this ...

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Ok, I should be able to distinguish you two now!

(You're the one with a wife who also likes dramas, right? You often mention her tastes, too?)

I realized I shouldn't recommend MDBC at all, since I haven't watched it myself. As for OHYA, I'm of the view that Eric did a decent job playing Park Do-Kyung, and was convinced by his performance. I just loved the drama, and while some may fixate on the "supernatural" aspects, and find fault in the logic, I found only 2 somewhat obvious flaws that...didn't really bother me. (To say more would kinda spoil.). Seo Hyun Jin was a delight to watch.

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There must have been a major influx of Johns while I'm gone.

No, my wife doesn't like dramas. Like, at all. She thinks I'm stupid to watch K-dramas (especially K-dramas) and she makes fund of me all the time because of it. I've yet to find a plausible reason to convince her that it's not something I should be ashamed of ...

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No, Jon G., your online "voice" is pretty distinctive. I remember you, but have probably confused your wife with someone else. LOL.

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Yay, Jon! Ourimanida!
I'd recommend Woman with a Suitcase if you can endure the alpha male first lead. K2 is fun as well, but not near as "realistic." But hey, it's a thriller.

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K2: Sorry, still boycotting tvN. And did I mention that I thought "Healer" was mediocre at best?

Suitcase: Not while it is still airing. I don't like Choi Ji-woo's acting, I find it very taxing to watch (too stylised and artificial for my Western brain). I need to be sure it's worth the hastle ...

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@Jon G. I thought i was the only one that had issues with the way Choi Ji Woo acts. I hardly watch her drama/movie, but this one is a lil better.

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Choi Ji Woo is one of my favorite actresses. And heck, tons of Kdrama actresses are stylized. Or have their own flaws. I'd watch anything she's in.

I didn't watch Healer..my fear of lost/swapped-out children and birth secrets kinda attacked me then and I just couldn't. K2 is pleasant fun. I'm sure you would be gagging at some of the plot lines but you might like our villainness. I think.

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A lot, maybe most of K-drama actors and actresses use stylised acting techniques, I'm sure it is what the audience wants to see. It's just much more comfortable for me to watch actors using a more natural palette of expressions which I can understand on an instinctive emotional level instead of looking them up first; and Choi Ji-woo happens to be one of the actors who are most incompatible with my viewing habits. I can never tell what she is trying to project without thinking about it first, which distracts me from watching the actual show.

K2: Well, I'll keep that in mind for the time when I'm no longer boycotting tvN, I guess ...

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Welcome back!

Just a few of my favorites that you might want to check out. I'm mostly a cable girl.

Age of Youth (jTBC) - Maybe Mrs G might like it.
Dear my Friends (tvN)
The Good Wife (tvN)
Police Unit 38 (OCN)

The first 2 are more of a slice of life shows and you might need a tissue box for it. (2 different generations)
All 4 shows were recap here. I hope you'd find at least one to enjoy with Mrs :).

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I second Dear My Friends and The Good Wife, as for Age of Youth, I've just watched the 1st ep so far, it seems quite good, but I was unable to find time to continue watching due to my current two "obsession" which sucked up all my energy : MLSHR and OTWTTA and two "nice to watch" : JI and DS.

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I know it's hard to go back. I have so many shows and movies on my list and it's getting longer because I don't have the time to go back and watch any of it.

I think you'd love Age of Youth Pebble. Keep watching, it gets better.
It's still my favorite for the year.

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Pebble, I feel you on the Scarlet Heart obsession lol.

But I'll second Kiara and say, give Age of Youth another episode or two - that intro was slow and didn't give up the good stuff easily. But it's easily one of the best of the year.

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I concur with @Pebble & @pogo:

If you want a well produced sageuk, MDBC

If you want to know what addiction to crack feels like: Scarlet Heart Ryeo

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"Scarlet Heart" is not an option, I watched the Chinese adaption when it aired and there is no way I could enjoy a K-drama remake, for no reason what-so-ever.

I didn't like sageuk shows even when I was much more tolerant towards K-drama, so Moonlight needs to wait.

But Age of Youth sounds very promising so far ...

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@Jon - I am full-on crack-addicted to Scarlet Heart, but there's no way I could rec it to anyone because the faults are legion and I'm a bit reluctant to let anyone else experience the same frustration I feel with it sometimes.

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@Jon - totally fair, especially if you don't like sageuk.

But, I would argue that Scarlet Heart Ryeo is nothing like the Chinese version, although I have yet to watch it. Reading the comparison and commentary of those who have watched the Chinese version, the Korean version is quite its own creation.

But, I completely understand if it's not your cup of tea.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE sageuk, so I fully admit I'm biased.

And like @pogo said, it has quite a few editorial problems that drive a lot of people crazy. Personally, I don't care much....I'm just along for the ride.

And what a ride it has been!

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Pebble, the writer Park Yeon-Sun and Han Ye-ri were the highlight of the show for me and I love the rest of the cast too.

@pogo
I'm with you. I'm watching SH for oppa but there is no way I'd recommend it to a friend.

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I don't think I'm the Jon you think I am.

My wife gave up on "Misaeng" during episode 2 because it was too cheesy (and I don't want to remember what I had to do to even get her to try it in the first place).

Still, thank you for your tips ...

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Ooops sorry I think I got you guys mixed up.

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Kiara, me too- mostly a cable girl. Or to be more specific, maybe i am jTBC girl this year. tVN drama that I like so far are Signal and The Good Wife. I am going to start Dear My Friends soon since I just finished Mama : Nothing to Fear. I am still recovering emotionally because this drama is so painful yet beautiful.

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Yes sera jTBC especially <3.

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it does and perfectly well :)

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Jealousy incarnate is not a typical rom com drama but its hilarious and super fun for me and shows offbeat concepts. Also, if you can, don't watch the first two episodes and just read the recaps. It got really enjoyable from episode 3 for me.

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Call me a fundamentalist and a hopeless romantic, but I will never "just read the recaps". If a show has episodes that you cannot watch to enjoy it, the show is not worth watching at all. You know, I take my K-dramas very seriously (that's why I stopped watching them in the first place).

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The good wife.. thats d safest bet in ur case given u didnt enjoy kill me n misaeng

( ps: always happy to find someone who finds healer avg drama)

(Personally ohya.. lead fem character is super clingy.. so personally didnt enjoy it so much)

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I liked Misaeng very much. But I'm still very picky even with decent shows ...

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I find a lot of J-dramas "cheesy" or "affected." And I get your comment about having to figure out what an actor is trying to express, and being distracted as a result. However, Choi Ji-Woo is a relatively easy read, and her go-to expressions are formulaic enough for a familiar viewer to become accustomed to and just get.

Someone mentioned that in Jealousy Incarnate the two leads are enjoyable to watch, and natural, though clearly limited in their range of expressions. I guess unless you're forced by a director to do over 30 takes on a single scene--which is what Tony Leung said Wong Kar Wai made him do in many of his films--you're likely going to resort to your stock expressions and usual bag of tricks, and not going to voluntarily try to plumb the limits of your acting depths.

This is kind of a digression, but I was bringing it towards OHYA, where I felt truly impressed with Seo Hyun Jin's acting.. I never felt distracted by her actressly methods, felt that what others termed "overacting" was all in service of her character, and was in awe of her range of facial and vocal expressions. With some actors, CJW for instance, I notice, "Oh here she's furrowing her eyebrows" to show frustration, but with SHJ I just felt the frustration/despair/joy/exasperation/etc without ever having to read it.

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Oh n ji is def funny.. but first few ep hv to be tolerated

N series is really abt interactions ... nt so much of a plot per se..

Or lets say plot is jealousy.. its many forms n repurcussions

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Well, then give it a go. I said that because its not the best episodes of the drama and a lot of people judged it based on that and dropped it. It grows on you. They are not really that bad, just all over the place with a lot of character introduction. If you do watch it, let us know what you think of it in the next open thread. :)

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Well, thank you for your considerate advertisement then ;)

I'll definitely try the first 4 episodes.

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Welcome back Jon!

Everyone's already recc'd this, but def watch Age of Youth. It takes 2-3 eps to fully get going, but the writing and characterization are top notch. My personal drama of the year, and it's only 12 eps!

The Good Wife was also pretty high quality. W: Two Worlds had a really interesting premise and a great first half, but ultimately didn't fulfill it's potential. It may still be interesting to check out, though I was one of the few who wasn't really convinced by the acting and only stuck around for the plot.

I wouldn't recommend Scarlet Heart: Ryeo unless you're a big fan of the leads and/or willing to put up with extremely uneven writing/directing/acting (yes, all three are uneven. sometimes all at once). Parts of it feels more like Jade Palace Lock Heart than BBJX, and then there are parts that aims for BBJX but doesn't have the foundations to sustain it.

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Hi John G.

Based on your responses, I only recommend two: Jealousy Incarnate and Age of Youth.

Like others have said, give JI at least 4 episodes. Episode 15 was like listening to an opera where the singer reaches his/her highest and most powerful note. It was hilarious.

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I was intrigued by AOY from episode 1.

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I swear, I'm wasting so much time right now just scouring for fellow beanies' descriptions of episode 15 of JI. Those who "get" it, always find the most fabulous ways to describe it and your comment is no different!

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Lol that means I need to read the JI ep 15 comments!

I don't know how the director/writer/actors are able to accomplish the difficult feat of balancing wistful bittersweet moments with off-beat humor and the most outrageous un-apologetic makjang, but they do! I continue to laugh harder the more they suffer.

You know what, now that I think about it, it's really a dark satirical comedy (but tonally different from Grapevine) veiled in traditional rom-com. Maybe that's causing confusion and why some people are not "getting" it.

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Hi all, just returned from a holiday in Japan and catching up on all my fav kdramas!

- Jealousy Incarnate - the story line is so crazy but I just can't laughing!!!! The 2 male leads are so swoony I wouldn't be able to choose either. I keep thinking I am liking them 49-51 then the next scene is no, no, no, 51-49 lol!

- Moonlight Drawn By Clouds - I don't like the OTP not being together but I understand it's necessary. I hope they find a resolution early in episode 17 so that we get to spend some time enjoying them together, but I know that will not be the case sigh. Just don't do some dumb time jump and have them meet up again in the last 2 minutes of the episode!

- Shopping King Louis - These 2 are the cutest, I can't believe I'm saying this but I don't want him to get his memory back any time soon. The only distraction is "Oskar"s face, I love love love him in Secrect Garden but there's something funny about his face here.

Hope everyone have a great weekend!

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*can't STOP laughing*
(also can't type either apparently!)

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It's the mustache!

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Yup, hopefully he'll get one of those mid-drama makeovers and lose the mustache!

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Jealousy Incarnate did not go in the direction I thought it was going to go at all! After years of watching kdramas, it's such rarity to not correctly predict the next move.

Props to the writer for the fast paced dialogue, I find it ridiculously funny.

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The hospital scene had my eyes tear up because I was laughing so much.

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I know right, the writing is so out there! I imagine the writer typing this with a giant wink : "here's one for all you viewers out there who love the OTP but have severe second lead syndrome - Imma gonna give her both!"

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My days are dark and gloomy when the OTP in Moonlight is not together. I'm so sad by the past few episodes, I get the progression of the story, but I just hate seeing them apart.

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Hi, and sorry, and let´s be friends again OK?

todays´ drama-keyword is "30". You get a cookie if you can guess what this "30" refers to.

couldn´t watch Moonlight, suddenly. I am too anxious about the ending. I need preparation. not for the outcome, but worry over how all the hints surf back. if they dont use the leverage they have buildt up, it would be such a shame. there are so many players that have yet to make their final move. but will they?

Caught up on the latest episodes of I Can See Your Voice. What´s become of all the good singers? Do the guests who promise to help them really help or just forget about them? I´d like it if there was a comeback episode where we learn how the people who´ve dreamt of a singing career are doing now. It just seems a little like they are used and discarded. for an outsider.

Louie - oh gawd this show will be the death of me, I am going to have a heart attack or something, a little bit is ok but why to this degree They should give a warning in the beginning of every episode "Can cause serious grinning and multiple squees." Now I know the etymology of the word fangirl, it is because you have to keep fanning yourself. *imagines herself as a french revolution era theater-goer fanning vigourously on the balcony*
if there is one thing I am not quite satisfied with it is the proportion of male-female actors. Ok the speaking roles are more or less balanced, if maybe tilted slightly towards men bc of the police officer and his colleague and uncle and In Sung... at least we have the moms and the assistant and Mari, but why do I feel their screen time is less than for men? *takes out a stopper watch* well, ok not gonna go that far, this is ridiculous. but in ep 7 at the police station scene Bok Shil was the only woman with at least 20 guys involved in the background action. On the stairs - I did spot like 3 women or were there more? I dont want to cross the line and be accused of fanatical feminism, though I don´t see anything wrong with that, but just... they should also hire background actors in proportion, and give women as much screen time as to men. Or is it the actual demographics of the society? That there are less women than men?
Anyway, Nam Ji Hyun is awesome, for not letting the flocks of men steal her thunder. She has more confidence than actresses with twice the experience. She has seriously taken me by surprise in this drama. let´s give her a round of applause! (and also to other female characters here. Be strong, girls!) I wonder if they get paid equally, too? (gah, here i go again...)

switching topic hurriedly, (before I go out to camp somewhere half naked holding a sign "Truck of Doom is a SHE!" or "Let them be chairwomen, not cheerleaders!"):

my QUESTION today would be: what is your keyword for life and dramas currently ( just the word with zero explanation).

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also: I feel like I AM Louie this week, cause I had some mysterious temporary amnesia a few days ago, that I forgot my Maestro card PIN in a flip second, I knew it one moment, and the next moment, I didnt, and the machine ate my card, munched it up, so now I am without money until I get a replacement. should I also wash dishes? But I dont have a Bok Shil to give me 50 cents every time. I wish euros fell from the sky every time I wash dishes *peeks up* nope. not raining money here. I am also not very good at internet shopping though, unlike Louie... it would take me ages. what do I eat, then? Grass? But seriously, I thought I had gotten alzheimers´, how can a number just get deleted from memory this sudden? wait, perhaps aliens...

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*giving redfox a reporter's mic*

So... how does it feel to be the heroine in the comments?

kkkk. Serious talk though: I envy how many people defended you in time of needs. Shows who are the friends in time of need.

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and how do I always end up as the villain and troublemaker? I wasn´t wrong, but I should not have caused feelings being hurt even if all I want is justice, so I reaaaaaaaally am sorry if that happened. REALLY. I should phrase my quest differently next time. I was as shocked at the final outcome as the rest and my goal was not to set any hierarchy at all, I just felt like a certain standpoint was being spammed left and right. hate me if you want, dont hate a drama or the actors. I will gladly be the most terrible and despicable and lecherous villain, if it keeps you from hating the drama. Peace? cmon, you can hate me, but lets be friends anyway.

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Aww redfox, I think it has all cleared up now! I too was surprised at how things just snowballed. I would have preferred if people did not come to your defense as you are more than capable of handling any argument! And it wasn't you but the additional comments which just turned that thread into a war zone.

I got so irritated at how someone said that they won't watch the show just because they read those comments! I mean, c'mon that is just stupid. What did the show ever do wrong to that person- the show basically consists of two (or three) adorable puppies/ kittens jumping around! What's not to like! :D

Anyway, I guess the SIG love will prevail, and people who adore the show will continue to watch it with huge smiles on their face (and later suffer from cheek-ache)

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Hmm...now I'm curious what that drama is all about.

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Dangnabbit, i feel as if I'm missing out on some serious loveliness in Louie simply because I've had it over here with the kneejerk chaebol inheritance plot. Why did i have to lose my patience with scheming uncles at a time when what is apparently the cutest show is on air? I might just have to force myself to push through and sit down and watch.

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Carole, have you seen the french movie Fantomas? or as someone said int the last Louie recap, think of the villains in Home Alone. The villains are on that cartoonish level, they are really just a gag show part here. they are so hilariously off the mark and just living their own drama. like this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CusC8yuWIAAR25e.jpg:large (dunno if it will show)

and the inheritance has not even been mentioned. it is more about "who was I? what kind of a person? esp last ep - "maybe I was a terrible person? Maybe I did this and that?" that was sooooo sad. it is most def not some chaebol plot.

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Watch it, the scheming "villain" uncle here is nothing like the one in Gong Shim for example. He's amazing in falsely interpreting every. single. situation, it's actually quite hilarious.

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Okay angieya and redfox, you're giving me hope. Thanks. I might just watch.

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what are you talking about??? nam ji hyun debuted as an actress in 2004 lol and she is the ever amazing little deokman in Queen seon deok who had me crying like a baby because of her acting.

Even though I feel shopping king louie is not that challenging for her as an actress because she 's done much more hardcore acting in her previous drama. But bok sil is lovable character thanks to nam ji hyun to be honest

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I was just saying how she is surrounded by mostly male cast here. I dont doubt her skills.

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I just assumed that you did not know. No offense.

She probably the youngest among the cast in shopping king louie but might be senior to some of the actors.

She might be not as popular as Kim sohyun and Kim Yoojung but she's well known as former child actress along with them.

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I have taken a better look and there are female characters there, and even do something and have lines... looks like they did keep in mind the equality. but why does it still feel like they are in minority. weird.

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So it's official: Scarlet Heart has ruined me and eaten my brain, which leads to me grinning stupidly at posters in metro stations and getting no sleep at all between Monday nights and Wednesday mornings. And I'm watching only one drama, but between the assorted versions, raws and subs, it's basically like watching three.

and somehow I keep coming back because I have this weird love-hate relationship with it that I think goes beyond the presence of Lee Jun-ki.

Essentially, as @Jamie put it in the recap - we are all so screwed.

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pogo, I grin at public all the time non stop for no reason at all except my own imagination, without the aid of posters or reminders. I am just crazy.

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good to know I am not alone, ha.

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Yup. Same here. Grin in public all the time without the aid of posters..keep watching the screen caps with LJK in DB. Read the recap, watch the raw version, read the comments then watch the subbed version.
I have never worked so hard on a drama in my life !!!
And like pogo said, it leaves me no energy or time to watch anything else

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Lol we were all ruined way before Scarlet Heart came around. King and the Clown for me but it was a good experience and a movie to remember.

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I've actually just turned around to Lee Jun-ki now. My friend first introduced him me to him when King and the Clown came out. She had a massive crush on him, and I just thought he looked like a woman.

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At first when you start watching Kdramas, there is a high tendency that you will say they look like women, especially if you are not from Asia.

Yes, some of them look a lil bit feminine, ( saw i pick of GD once, thought it was a woman) but you get use to it, and you realize we all just different, with different body shapes, and some went under the knife, so....

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I looked him up first soI knew what he really looks like in rl before I watch the movie.

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I totally understand Ren. He was gorgeous compared to all the women but once I got into it the heart took over.

What a touching story of love, friendship, sacrifice and loyalty. I also learn a few things about the culture because Lee Joon-ik did a lot of research for the movie.
He wanted his characters to be portrayed as accurate as possible and would go to length to make sure that he gets it right (or close to it). The costume, the soundtrack, the clowns etc.
He even met with Kim Ki-bok (who is considered to be the last surviving itinerant clown) and asked for his input. Kim said that it was difficult for clowns to get married since they were poor. On a team of clowns, there was typically one male clown called biri who was feminine and beautiful.

It changes the way I look at the history too. King Yeonsangun is considered to be a crazy tyrant in history and Jung Jin‑young’s was able to humanized him so I did feel for him too.

This was my first sageuk movie and it feels like I just watched it yesterday.
Every time I see a street performance in a sageuk it takes me back there like Ra-on and her foster father's performance in Moonlight. Making fun of the king and his officials were their way of expressing themselves because they were poor peasants with no voice.

I'm getting teary eyed from talking about it lol.

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lol it's true, I've been ruined for the last..... nine years? But getting ambushed by his face on that poster was the final straw, I think half my holiday haze was from the sheer joy of getting to see it every day lol.

I can't think of a better way to be ruined by than The King & the Clown, that movie pretty much opened the floodgates for sageuk movies to become a thing the way they are now. But I still love the cheesiness of My Girl, I don't think I'll ever get over it. (he's just SO GORGEOUS, I can't).

(that said, I was at least able to watch episodes of his dramas at a later date sometimes, or drop them for a bit if they annoyed me - like Joseon Gunman. But this? I've officially gone insane)

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Joseon Gunman was the only show that I dropped and never look back. I love Jeon Hye-Bin in it but the leading lady annoyed the heck out of me.

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Same here, I LOVED Jeon Hye-bin but was not feeling the leading lady at all (a highly unpopular opinion around here at the time, as I recall). She was pulling negative on both the character appeal and chemistry front, and it was getting frustrating to watch.

I dropped it with six episodes to go and picked them back up way later but it was a real chore to get through her parts.

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I truly understand this. You have no idea how bad his drama has ruined me.

My Kdrama obsession ranked about ten before now it's reached levels that are tending to infinity on a scale of ten and it's all because of moon lovers and Lee Jun Ki 's damn smile.

Seriously that smile tho.

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yeah, I mean there's kdrama obsession and then there's..... whatever causes the 1000+ comments in Scarlet Heart recaps and causes me to ditch going out in Japan because I want to watch and comment in peace.

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My routine is basically just to max out my fangirling from Monday-Wednesday until basically a fuse blows out and I can't talk about Moon Lover anymore. Then I maintain relatively normal function for the rest of the week until the next episode comes around.

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You know you've been ruined by Scarlet Heart when watching 2 versions of the show no longer irks you.

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This is way too true for my comfort

I watch the SBS raw and then wait for subs and watch those (and note the differences between the two versions) like it's perfectly normal. And then come back in the evening and watch the subbed SBS version.

It's scary how normal this seems to me now.

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Where do you guys watch the full version at? I'm sometimes confused with the comments because some are commenting from the full version and I think DF only has the tv version.

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I use kissasian.com

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I think it's getting caught in the spam filter, but it's Kissasian.

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iirc DarkSmurf subs is working on the subbing of the SBS version (the one aired in Korea). I've seen those uploaded on kissasian, for one.

Basically the rule of thumb is if there's an SBS logo appearing in the corner after the first thirty seconds or so, that's what aired in Korea and what SBS tried to salvage with re-edits.

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DF releases the int'l version.
There are other sites which subs the SBS version too.

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ok I got caught in moderation but - kissasi*n had subs of the SBS (aired in Korea) versions, last I checked.

Also darksmurfsubs is the team working on subbing the SBS versions, if you need the subber names.

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@pogo

I can't believe watching 2 versions of the show, skimming through social media sites, reading posts on DB, Soompi and a quick google search has become so routinely normal for me. When this show ends, I have to gather my thoughts and rewind my body clock because I've adjusted to this craziness so darn well.

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@Yoyo - sometimes I really wonder what crack we're on, because there are dramas I have LIKED way more than this, and I never did all this for them.

But Scarlet Heart has my heart, despite the fact that it frequently frustrates and infuriates me, I can't quit it. can't. I'm just way too invested.

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The best part is that those differences are like a scene or two..max clockign 1 minute..
BUT there has never been a time where I have watched ONLY the missing scenes in the 'other version'.. its always a full 3 hour show.. without getting bored..

And 99.9% of the reason in LJK when he is (or used to be) not present in that episode for 99% of the time :)

Its admirable how some characters if played well work out so well for the actor..

King and Clown - from what I have heard of it is a b'ful and a very interesting story with a very interesting character..

And LJK didn't exactly gain/sustain the kind of fandom he has now..thanks to WS character ( for some reason, intense passionate all rounder lovers are key to success in every culture it seems...)

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However, i thought i was going insane with stalking and obsessing over LJK..and feeling so jealous of IU based on the BTS..

This time shall pass too.. hopefully..

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Preach it.

I'm just so terrible. I can't get any work done from Monday - Wednesday. On Monday, I am COUNTING DOWN THE MINUTES until the raw version comes out (around 3:30 PM GMT).

Then, I scan Soompi for the rough translation of the episode.

Then, I go on YouTube for (hopefully a subbed version) preview.

Then, I watch and re-watch little clips from the episode that appear on YouTube

Then, I count down the minutes AGAIN until the subbed version comes out (around 9:30 PM GMT)

Then, I go to bed, but wake up super early to see what people said in the recaps.

WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH MY LIFE WHEN IT ENDS?!

PERISH THE THOUGHT!

Must. Find. Support. Group. Now.

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heeeyy, PineappleGongzhu! It's nice to see you out of our regular haunt i.e. the recap :)

WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH MY LIFE WHEN IT ENDS?!

This is honestly what I'm asking myself too. Especially since it will likely leave ruin and devastation in its wake, I'm so not prepared! Or worse, leave ruin, devastation, AND frustration at the way things were executed. And I'll still miss it anyway and be completely unwilling to watch anything new.

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@pineapplegongzhu and @pogo

Pineapple and other fellow beanies have poured in a lot of research for this show. I've read your posts and decoding chinese poems and getting historical facts is no joke. I can't believe what this show puts us through! And I can't believe how some of us have learned to cope with the flaws and still show so much love for this series. Man, if my history teacher would just see all the effort we've put into, she'll be hella proud!

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@Yoyo - It's weird how attached we are to this drama even though the levels of hair-pulling frustration it causes could easily leave us as bald as the princes in the original BBJX.

But the commenting experience on this one has been great, and very unexpectedly educational too!

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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, CAN WE PLEASE START A SUPPORT GROUP BEFORE I GO CRAZY?!

Hi hi, @pogo, @IvoryLight, and @Yoyo! xoxo

Yes, I ventured out of the tsunami we call the recap comments of ML:SHR. But, really, only so I can fangirl some more about Lee Joon Gi. Damn, that man....I can't even...

On a high note, though, at least now when I see a show that has about 300+ comments, I'm like "Pfft, so easy! I can read that in an hour"....you know, as opposed to 5 hours later....and STILL not keeping up with the posters.

Actually, I think it's kumoiwa and Barbrey who has done the most research on the historical aspect of the show. Apologies if you guys did as well and it isn't coming to mind at the moment.

I tend to like focusing on motifs and recurring themes because it's somewhat self-contained within the show. I tried researching a bit about the history (I'm a semi-historian), but got lazy. Mainly because reading up on the history doesn't get me any closer to meeting Lee Joon Gi.

I'm seriously considering taking Korean lessons.......so I can watch the shows without the subs. Yeah, that's my only motivation.......

WHEN WILL WE GET THE BEDROOM SCENE?! I'M DYING OVER HERE!

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Wow, really bad grammar. Where did my subject-verb agreement go?!

*kumoiwa and Barbrey who HAVE done

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@Pine+appleGongzhu - hey we already have the support group, we can always come and hang out in OT. Or in the recap of the last episode, if it comes to that.

I'm insanely grateful for the little bits of sageuk Korean I've managed to pick up over the years, it means I at least understand part of what's being said onscreen!

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Ahhhh hello to all my fellow MLSHR addicts- nice to see everyone outside our homebase!!

Reading all your posts here is like an echo of my own life except..I'm actually one of the live recapping/blogging posters over on Soompi as the SBS version airs which isn't so unusual...until you consider

1. I am on the east coast of the USA so erm...I have made it so I work from home on Monday/Tuesday so that I can watch the episode as soon as it airs (I'm dreading the day when I have a meeting I cannot shift around but so far that hasn't happened yet *sweat drops*)

2. I don't understand Korean... so the majority of my live recaps are me bemoaning that fact and trying to guess (hilariously) at the dialogue and describe what's happening instead?? Also there are lots of WTFs and incoherent flailing or ALL CAPS in there. Lol. It's a different feeling not reading subs though..You definitely concentrate on the acting and the expressions of the actors more which is another reason I was really baffled at the hate IU was getting...

I am absolutely dreading the end of this drama. I remember at the end of My Love from Another Star when it looked like it was turning into a terminal illness saga, alien style I was sobbing through pretty much all DMJ and CSY's scenes but here, I legitimately get anxiety each time I see WS and HS so happy because arhg, my babies are going to be so sad very very soon and I don't really trust the writer to give them a happy/satisfying ending...How can I make this happen? How many more hours of my life/sleep can I sacrifice to ensure this, because I will do it!!! Just gimme a happy ending damnit!

So basically there needs to be a MLSHR withdrawal group made. Stat.

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Hey, IvoryLight! Good to see you here too, I like that we have our little MLSHR reunion in OT, haha.

It's interesting to see how time zones work out for us. In my case, raws come out past midnight (if I can't stream on the SBS website) and subs at around 4 a.m., with the recap following at about 6 a.m.? so basically I get NO sleep for those nights. At least it comes out when I'm free to watch, though. And I know just about enough Korean to follow bits and pieces and suss out the rest from context, so watching raw works for me - but I still need my subs!

I'm dreading the end too, and not least because I'm terrified of what this drama's going to do to them. There's enough of a masochist's instinct in me to love it even if the ending is a sad one, but I feel like this is going to be something we remember.

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Pineapplegongzhu- I really enjoy your posts in the ML recaps. So much of research.
And yes... I basically do the same. Read recap, rewatch and repeat

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Awwww...thanks so much, Miumiu! I've also really enjoyed your posts as well.

I think we have a great little community of ML:SHR commentators/lovers!

We should start a support group/ Lee Joon Gi - crack anonymous for after the show ends.

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I am in the same situation with you all too.
On Monday and Tuesday during the day I watch ML on the SBS's website... at work.
In the evening I wait until the raw version is uploaded and watch that again.
Late in the evening I also wait until the review/recap of breathlesssurvival (funny, insightful, and super FAST recaps, by the way) is on and read it at least twice before going to sleep.
First thing I do in the morning is to check dramabeans's recap and comments.
Then Wednesday and Thursday I watch the sub versions and check for more comments / posts on dramabeans + soompi.
Until another Monday comes around, I check Instagram for Jun Ki's posts, Twitters for videos/ fan-made posts.
And I really enjoy reading what you guys write here. Such relief that I am not the only idiot. Haha.
This drama definitely ruins us.

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Support group let's go!

@PineappleGongzhu I totally forgot to tell you that I love all of your lovingly written posts about minute details that we all could have missed in the show. You win at the MLSHR fangirling life :D

I swear though I had to legit close my MLSHR recap tab because I wasn't getting anything done. My sister kept whining that I was typing away so I had to literally force myself to close the tab. So much pain involved. And I always forget to reply people, which is so bad on my part. But at least everyone is in this together heh :)

Totally only did research for the show because I wanted to spoil myself looool. But I'm grateful for everyone else who has provided us with information about Goryeo, Tang poetry, and mercury poisoning. You guys rock <3

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Oh and I also totally bought an ebook version of Tang poetry to read on my Kindle because I lost my physical copy when moving back home from abroad, and like, because So quoted Wang Wei and his beautiful, beautiful poetry.

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Second kumoiwa re your posts PG. I haven't done much research actually cause there's not much in English, and LJK is not my crush (K2 for that), but the fantasy element of who she was/is, why she's there, can she or can't she change things, combined with the water imagery that seemed to be telling its own but complementary mythic story, just hooked me completely. I am doing the same thing as all of you, watching the raws at 6 am, then watching the subbed version at 6 pm when I get home from work, then joining the forums. It's frankly obsessive, and I can't wait till it's over so I don't wake up at night thinking about mermaids and founding myths.

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Awww, thanks @kumoiwa! I always enjoy your posts, especially about Eun! I felt so badly that you did all this research and then ALL of us asked you to email the details (so as not to spoil it for the rest of the commentators). And you were SO gracious!

Haha, I'm such a obsessive fangirl, it's quite embarrassing.

I love how our love for this show brings together a fun community of commentators. :) It feels like a family!

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@Barbrey

Oh gosh, I LOVE LOVE LOVE your posts about the founding myths and water imagery of ML:SHR so much! I actually went back to the previous posts, and cut + paste your musings on it so I could re-read it at leisure!!!

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I have a suggestion: somebody should edit all episodes, cut out all none ljk scence and make a new version devoted to only 4th prince Wang So story, then we can watch it and rewatch it and rewatch until ljk's next project ...

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This is so true.

Not to mention scrounging Instagram to see live clips of the english sub air.

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MLSHR is the first drama which made me take leave to stay home and watch it leisurely, not just once but twice. But I didn't want to talk about it now, I just felt so disappointed with how the way things are going, even though I'm saying this now, come next Mon/Tue, I will still glue my eyes to the screen to devour everything single scene and willingly have my brain eaten by it regardless if everything makes sense or not!

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That's the REALLY insane part - that we're doing all of this for a drama that drove us mad from day 1 because it was such a mess. And yet we're going to keep doing it anyway!

I spent two mornings holed up inside my hotel on holiday in another country, all so I could watch new episodes as soon as they came out/the subs were out. Only Lee Jun-ki could make me ignore the charms of Tokyo for a drama that makes me want to pull out my hair.

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Ah holiday classics. I spent a whole day in Munich marathoning Cheese in the Trap.

The most hilarious Moon Lovers obsession story I've heard so far is that people over at Soompi were watching the baseball match and and anxiously keeping track of the score to see whether the game was going to wrap up in time.

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omg I'm DYING @the thought of those poor girls at soompi keeping track of a sport they (likely) don't even have any interest in, just to work out whether the drama has a shot at airing. Hats off to them.

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I was chomping at the bits, HOPING that the baseball game would end on time so that we didn't have to wait for the kiss.

AND NOW.....we have to wait for ANOTHER game before the BEDROOM SCENE!!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

O Lord, have mercy!

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Hahaha!

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@pogo - I did the same! Was on a work related matter in another country and never stepped out as I was busy feeding my addiction to ML. :(
Glad to know someone like me :)

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@Miumiu - yeah, it's nice to know I'm not the only one!

And thankfully, that week the drama gods rewarded me and the episodes I stayed inside for turned out to be ep 10-11....i.e. the best episodes so far. (rain scene was totally worth it)

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My drama obsession was made impossible for me to ignore when the thing I was happiest about in Mexico was that I would have a hotel room to myself to binge watch my show when the person I was to share it with needed to catch a later flight >.<

I've thought about the failings in MLSHR and in some ways I think its the same rut the Chinese version falls into. The drama is written to cover a lifetime of events (a project I was not expecting or ready for at the time) and so feels like you are getting glimpses of characters' lives before you are whisked away again on a time jump so that the show can span many years.

In the first few episodes, we saw Su reacting to things with a refreshing 21st century mindset. With that is the idea that she was the author of her own destiny and we saw that she questioned established principles of the time. Over the (drama) years, she gets beaten down and understandably assimilates to avoid causing trouble. However, now I routinely forget that Su is from the future and, excepting her occasional glimpses of events to come (?), sometimes feel as if they could have a woman from the time period in her place. This story started out with time travel but I feel like her 21st century origin is becoming less and less significant as the show progresses.

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A few days ago, I made the mistake of googling Lee Joon (I was looking for a good pic to post on FB for my "Beauty Break of the Day" and of course Lee Joon and Lee Jun-ki both showed up in the google images. I was seriously grinning all day. So much beauty (of both guys) was hard for my ahjumma heart to deal with.

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lol I would be grinning all day too. I'm grinning just reading this!

(and I adore Lee Joon, thinking of him takes me back to the days of Grapevine)

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Oh man, I feel you. This drama has made me cry multiple times and squeal when the main characters smile like that. What the hell, I have too much on my plate to get sucked in to the drama, and yet I am! How can we save ourselves now?

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Support Group Post #1

Let me know if you guys found this to be a problem. In order to feed the addiction between Wednesday - Sunday I tend to re-watch the older episodes of ML:SHR. And at first, I was totally content to do that. Heck, I could probably quote the episodes now.

But, as Hae Su and Wang So's relationship has really deepened from episode 11+, I find it a little hard to go back to the earlier episodes because their relationship was in the "acorn" stage, whereas now we are getting a little tree.

I can feel how the drama started off smiles and sunshines (well, except for the whole monk massacre), but now that it's gotten darker, I like it more! The complexity and sophistication are almost as addictive as LJG for me.

And, piggybacking off of what @Barbrey said in the Episode 15 comments section, I think the show's emotional progression and intensity is enough of a draw that while we complain about the logical progression being poorly executed it isn't enough to turn us off of ML:SHR.

I've never been so addicted to a sageuk before, not even the Chinese ones that I grew up watching. There's really something about this sageuk that is addicting for all of its flaws.....

They tried to make me go to rehab, but I said no, no, no

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oh this is definitely NOT a problem at all!

I've actually been filling the gaps between MLSHR episodes, at first with some of Lee Jun-ki's dramas but now that I've run out of the ones I enjoy, I'm moving on to IU's - currently watching Producer. It's a good way to 'palate cleanse', so to speak - she's SO (hehe) different from what she is as Su.

But yeah, I realise even that might be futile in the face of the emotional gutting the drama has lined up for us. I'm so invested in this drama, it is utterly ridiculous - probably because, behind all the assorted squeaky hinges (editing and directing issues, OSTs, occasional weird episodes) there still lies what could have been a great story and a great drama, and I feel like that's what kept us all coming back even though the frustration is real sometimes.

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Coming to this thread late, but you guys have just described my life since August.

There are so many better shows - Signal comes to mind - but I have never done with them what I do with Scarlet Heart. It is simply ridiculous. I can't wait for weekends to be over so that Monday can come around faster.

And (God help me) I keep replaying that first episode horse meet-cute. Even the previously annoying I.O.I song is growing on me.

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I can certainly see that Signal is objectively a better drama and I like it, but Scarlet Heart is the one that has mine despite everything.

I think that's why we get so mad at the drama for messing up - it could have been a great drama that blew all our minds and passed into kdrama legend for all the right reasons, but things like unnecessary side plotlines, terrible OST use, weird editing and directing just keep getting in the way.

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@Lemon Meringue

Were you the one, Lemon Meringue, or someone else who said that episode 1, where Wang So rescues Hae Su from the ravine was the whole "intense eye sex" scene?

I can't recall who said it. Totally on point, but now I blush whenever I watch that scene because IT IS TOTALLY TRUE!!

Like, even though WS and HS started out as friends, the spark was THERE at the very beginning!

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@pogo

From post 7.5 That’s the REALLY insane part – that we’re doing all of this for a drama that drove us mad from day 1

I never thought I'd say this of a drama, but.... it must be love.

Seriously, I could say I am in love with this drama. It occupies my entire thoughts, even when I have work to do. I could talk about it all day with your Beanies without getting bored. And, although I know it has flaws, I just don't care.

It sounds like I'm in love. It sounds like we're all in love.

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lol same here. A really dysfunctional, literally-unhealthy love, given how it's screwing with my sleep cycles for two days of the week, but still. I wouldn't care about it this much if I didn't love it.

Also I love everyone's comments on it, including yours - they're a good part of what keeps me coming back to the thread through the entire week.

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W made me think and kept me up late nights just trying to debunk all those variables but I literally got exhausted after episode 8 and just stopped. MLSHR still has my undivided attention as well as keeping an hour or two blocked on my calendar just so I can view the two versions and gather my thoughts.

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Look at the three kdrama scenarios, then let's discuss the commonality:
- a man who treats his wife like a piece of furniture and shoves the full responsibility of taking care of the family and child to the wife so he can be out flirting (OTWTTA)

- a status conscious man who believes that he is of the “highest quality” and therefore, should only date and marry an equally “high quality” woman (Drinking Solo)

- a man who ignored the girl who looked at him with lovey-dovey eyes for three long years, and when she decided to get over him and started to date someone, he went hot on her heels to woo her back, even to the extent of yelling at her for being so “STUPID” when she couldn’t make up her mind about who she really loved (Jealousy Incarnate)

I know, your first reaction may be, these men are jerks! But also, the common thing is dating/marrying someone from the workplace who holds a higher position, is more powerful and more popular and whom the girl looked up to and felt enamored of

I raised this same question in OTWTTA Ep 4 recap in response to @korfan’s comment about marriage being a power game. I was wondering if marrying someone more senior from the workplace will extend the power game? eg. air hostess-pilot, nurse-doctor, secretary-boss, subordinate-superior, or even student-teacher relationship

QUESTION : Will the one in the higher position has a tendency to expect complete subjugation of the partner? Are you/Have you been in such a relationship? Or will you consider getting into such a relationship?

We have mixed answers from dramas, however, some are blissfully sweet(eg. Jmovie A Short Distance Relationship, kdrama Doctors), but still, it looks like the girl has to be pretty strong-willed to start with/ But for docile and gentle Su Ah in OTWTTA, the picture turned out to be pretty bleak, she was practically being emotionally bullied by her husband.

Since I asked this question, I think I should share my own opinion too. In my younger days, I steered clear of getting involved with anyone at the workplace who was more senior, and therefore, more financially stable for the following reasons:
I was raised in a humble background, and from young, it was ingrained into me that I was not entitled to anything in life unless I earned it the hard way with my own two hands. And since being a plain Jane too, I did not believe that man of such “high quality” and high caliber who was so used to the adulation of those around would have the patience to uncover and appreciate my inner qualities. I did not have the confidence that I could pin down such a man, and I did not want to live in constant fear of being always feeling inadequate and not good enough for someone. And lastly, what I fear most is the imbalance of power which I had foreseen is more likely to happen in such a kind of relationship. I did not want to be relegated to a submissive role, left without a...

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life of my own.
 
It will be interesting to hear your views as these recent dramas kept me pondering over the what-ifs of marrying such a man.

My birthday just passed this week, here, I’m sharing with all beanies who are also celebrating your birthday this month, the most beautiful birthday song I’ve come across, “Happy Birthday To You” by Sung Si kyung:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmFkHswISp8

Have a great happy weekend all ! :)

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Happy belated bday, Pebble!

Your question is pretty interesting, as well as difficult to answer. I'm married, and I have always believed that power shifts during marriage over time, just like how the degree in which you love your spouse varies over time. Like, you fall in and out of love at different stages of your marriage, and sometimes your rhythm matches and sometimes it doesn't. Incidentally Strindberg, the playwright, was of the strongest belief that men and women are out there to "consume" each other, and most of the relationships he portrayed were deteriorating fast and furiously.

I think no one can know what another person's true motives are, but if the partner with the "higher status" senses that he/she pulls the strings of the relationship, my guess is that that is one of the reasons they chose to start and also to remain in the relationship. I mean, this goes for almost any criteria? Whether it might be a sense of enjoying a greater power over the other person, or simply feeling more loved by the other person...these are all ego-enhancing, and make the other person feel good. So, I would think that enables one party to actually seek the weaker party, cos there's an advantage to be had.

It's late here, so I hope I'm not totally butchering your question, seeing how I might not have been reading too carefully.

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Thanks @Beanfan! :)
Your comments were well thought out and you raised a very valid point:
these are all ego-enhancing, and make the other person feel good

In OTWTTA, pilot JS chose air hostess SA as marriage partner among others who were also swooning over him precisely for the reason that SA was docile and easily manipulated. Though this can happen in any kind of relationship, however, if the disparity in status and power between both parties is quite big, the one at the lower end will probably be at the mercy of the partner more.

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Happy Belated birthday Pebble!

I don't look for anything specific in a partner to be honest. If I meet someone that I get along with and a bit more responsible than me then I'd keep him lol.

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Thank you Kiara!

a bit more responsible than me - it sounded like you are a free-spirited soul!

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Happy belated birthday, Pebble!

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Thank you @PineappleGongzhu, mouth-watering Hawaiian pineapple will immediately come to mind next time I see you posts. :)

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Happy belated birthday Pebble!

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Thank you @Miumiu! It's easy to warm up to fellow LJK fans, welcome to the gang! :)

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for me, I prefer to have some power in some part, not totally dominating or being subjugated, but people also have a different range of comfortable ground, range when they feel their right is only for them and not for other people.
There are some people who are so indecisive that they prefer a partner who has a strong opinion or vice versa . So, as long it doesn't violate each other right, I think it's okay.. but since I never had the experience with the hierarchy couple myself, I don't really know about the reality 1st hand,

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Hi @Sancheezy, I was pretty indecisive too, but I didn't want another person to run my life for me too, so I had to go through the hard way to learn to make major life decisions on my own and face whatever consequences that came my way, and slowly, I became more confident and stronger.

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the indecisive I've witnessed is when the man can't make the decision fast, like when they need to buy something and it;s undergo weeks of discussion.
Then the wife is pretty fast when she thought it needed, she'll buy it and the husband will accept if it's good.
But long term plan is the husband decision since he did it well, it just takes longer,
pretty mild comparison for a kdrama scenario

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It's different on my end, I know of some girls who take forever to decide where to eat, which movie to watch and if the darker shade of jeans looks better than the less darker shade... Seriously...it happens a lot with me and my friends. The guys I know are easy pickers, they know what they want and they go for it. Its an entirely different conversation if you talk about men and cars though.

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My marriage was the opposite: I had more professional status and made more money and am thought to be 'brainy'. I fell for my husband's gorgeous looks, kind nature and fun-loving spirit. At the core, though, I think most men are more competitive than women, and this difference became one of the rocks my marriage fell apart on. I found myself being passive-aggressively challenged constantly to the point I lost respect for my now ex-husband. It's important I think to realize that I loved him and respected him for himself, but he himself couldn't do that in what he came to feel was a socially unequal marriage, and that drove future events. What I've come to realize is that probably the most important feature in the men I've dated since, and my now-boyfriend, is how confidant and secure they are about themselves. Successful bosses or professionals might in general have that feature more than men who are not so successful? I can't really tell from that one experience, but I'd say whether you marry 'up' or 'down', it's each partner's confidence in him or herself whatever their status that could make or break a relationship.

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@Barbrey, thanks for sharing your experience. Yes, the one at the lower end must first be confident enough to feel secure and comfortable in the relationship for things to work out. If the person subconsciously feels inferior, it will become a sore point which constantly bugs the relationship. Depending on the personality of this person, the relationship may become unstable due to pettiness, sulkiness and passive-aggressive behavior of the one feeling inadequate, or this person may go the other way and resignedly accept a submissive role in order not to avoid any meaningless confrontation with the domineering partner, just like SA-JS in OTWTTA, which ended up as an abusive type of relationship.

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Office relationships are fun...if you're single and if you have job security.

Don't ever get romantically involved with your boss and anyone in executive management. Unless you seal the deal and get hitched then that's a different story altogether.

@Pebble, I didn't have the chance to date any of my bosses because they're all like super old (50-60's) but I did have the chance to hear their views about relationships when we had to write up one of the managers for engaging in an inter-office relationship.
Their POV's differ and just solely based on the conversation we had, I surmised that men of authority have the tendency to opt for women who are infatuated with their power and success. It must be a man's ego but I maybe wrong. The tendency is for these types of men to bring their authority back to the bedroom and moreso to their partners which just might be how they want it.

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Gals take note! @Yoyo providing insights into the thinking of "high quality" men with big egos, that is quite an eye-opener, if you are looking for true love, probably you have to look elsewhere, at least don't be a prop used solely for the purpose of boosting someone's ego

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@yoyo I have been in an "office" relationship, or should i call it a fling. My case is twofold. Most of the time, office relationships end with one losing out and mostly the woman. In my case it was the other way round even though he was my boss. That authority that he had didn't faze me at all. In the end he realized i was to independent and authoritarian in own way too. But we ended as friends, cause i knew him too well and he accept me as i was.

Min Ji and Captain Park's relationship reminds me off my relationship with my Boss. The difference is a never took him back once i left him. We just came friends, and all the girls in the office that he had flings with decided am the best person to complain too or decided i was their "best Friend".

Jobs were you work long hours, under loads of pressure especially in the Financial Industry, the likelihood of "Office" relationship is high, whether married or single.

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Hurray for independent women!!!

But I'm curious, is it a lot more challenging for a woman that's strong, independent and assertive to be the alpha in the relationship (assuming that the guy is an alpha male)?

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@yoyo It is actually, because i want to be in a relationship with a guy that surpasses me, that means he can handle me.

This guy is not. His just a guy with a big ego and he accepts that i see through it all.

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Is it like playing Master-Sergent love games? Is that even be called a proper relationship?
Higher one Showing interest in lower one automatically increases the value of the one at the receiving end?

It's better to be single than in some emotional headache.

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It really depends on what the condescending party wants out of the relationship. Probably not every kind of such relationship is driven by some hidden agenda, it may be true admiration and love which have the girl blinded?

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an emotionally blind person can't differentiate right or wrong. Selective bias will play a rule all the time in decisions of whatever nature. That is even a love is also debatable. Human world runs on the principle of give and take. Without reason noone gets into anything. Everyone has desires and natural tendency put them to satisfy it in every way possible. When we question the feelings of a person itself then no case of Pure love or pure devotion or loyalty remains.

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@Catocat, Cat oh cat! Yours is a very pragmatic way of viewing this, "selective bias and give and take". I reckon, this will mean that this kind of lopsided relationship will work provided that both parties involved clearly know what they can bring to the relationship which the other party wants, and what they in turn can take from the relationship which the other party is willing to offer. It is logical too, if this is just an equation, things will be much easier, however, people's emotions are unstable and can be easily swayed, bringing instability to upset the equation.

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@CatoCat,

This is just an aside.. Now that I know the origin/backstory of your name, I find myself saying, "Cat Oh! Cat" in my head when I see your name!

haha.

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hmm, that's interesting, for me I the power imbalance I always recognised lies in who loves the other more. There's a certain vulnerability in loving someone more than they love you. There's also the power imbalance that's found in single income families that I presume must affect everyday decision making. The consequences of a relationship falling apart are also more dire, if you've been out of the job market for 20 years and could be left with nothing.

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@Ren, single income families is a good point, it would be very tough for the wife to continue working and juggle the responsibility of taking care of the kids, obviously, that high income earner husband will not approve of the wife working. It would be the worst case scenario if the wife married the man for financial stability, and not because she loved him more (or even loving him less than him loving her), it would become rather intolerable to have to give up one's job, and everything for a domineering but loving husband.

That's just our assumptions from what we see in the dramas, I hope we are not being too presumptuous here.

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I just think it would be much harder to leave if the relationship broke down. It's hard enough losing your source of emotional support without losing your sole source of income as well if you had been completely financially dependent during marriage.

That said though, marrying rich and never having to work again? That would be terribly tempting if it was offered to me.

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No matter how tempting marrying rich and never have to work may appear to be, I'm those kind who clearly don't have what it takes to be a "candy", such stories may be nice to watch in kdrama, but in reality the thought of it scares me. My antenna just malfunctioned with men who are authoritative or rich or good looking with big egos, as such, I don't find myself being drawn to them, or rather, I'm quite scared of these types of men to even feel any attraction towards them.

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Pebble -

Happy belated birthday! I hope you had a wonderful day.

Regarding the question of someone expecting complete subjugation, I would say that the answer is yes if the person doesn't leave the workplace differences and/or hierarchy at work and brings it into the home and/or relationship. ...... The thing is, it's a very difficult thing to do for many people. Knowing when to "shut it off" is what gets tricky.

The answer would be no, if the person enters a relationship completely and totally committed to exerting exactly the same amount of power as his/her partner regardless of any actual differences. ....... The differences may be things such as money, education, job position, career, and other things.

With these differences being present, if one person decides to take advantage of his/her partner because of them, then you're going to have a problem.

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Thank you @korfan!

Now that we see that JS is such a JERK, I really pity SA's predicament.

Yes, I agree, the tendency is there to extend the power imbalance into the marriage. And for the case where the partners are of more equally footing in other aspects (education, job position, career and money), though one party may love the other more, at least with the degree of love changing and varying over time like what @Beanfan mentioned above, the two parties were able to work things out on more of an equal footing to reach some kind of an equilibrium an create a more harmonious and lasting relationship. This is what I personally experienced.

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Pebble -

We definitely learned new things this week in Airport, didn't we? ....... I can't wait for the upcoming recap comments and discussions this weekend!

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Hi pebble!

Happy Belated Birthday! 생일 축하합니다! (saengil chukhahamnida!)
Weather has cleared up for you I hope? It's getting nice and warmer where I am. Hope it is for you too!

To answer your question-
I think trust and mutual respect is the most important in a relationship. Age is just a number, and an occupation is just what they do to earn money. It shouldn't have an effect on how someone values you in a relationship.

There will always be differences between people, but I strongly believe that trust and respect is something that you shouldn't compromise on in a relationship. No one should go into a relationship feeling completely at the mercy of the other because there won't be mutual understanding or trust.

I fully agree that you shouldn't feel inadequate or not good enough. Complete equality in a relationship is never possible but I think the minimum is that you believe in his love enough that you won't feel insecure. Because if he can't even do that for you, he isn't going to be able to stand by your sides if things get tough, and you won't ever be able to be comfortable and your true self around him.

Just my thoughts on your always very thought provoking questions. :) Have a good week ahead!

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Thank you @michykdrama!
Yes, the weather has cleared up and we just had a beautiful 25 degree sunny day yesterday!

In relation to the kdrama scenarios described in my post above, due to the disparity in job status/social status, mutual trust and respect are missing from the equation in such a lopsided relationship in which the man basically has a big ego to start with and then to have the girl idolizing him to the extreme. So probably it may be a bit far-fetched to assume that the man will have a high opinion of the partner? We may have to explore the reasons why the man chose to be with the girl in the first place. It is my assumption that such a manipulative man will definitely make the girl feel inadequate in order to prolong that "power game" in marriage.

It's a bit late here, I'm not thinking clearly, hope what I wrote make sense to you.

You too, have a great week ahead too!

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Happy belated birthday, Pebble! :) Hope you had a great one!

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Thank you @Junny !

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Belated birrhday wishes, pebble! :)

I am always amazed at your ability to connect different dramas and find a constant theme in them. like last week you asked about betrayal.

I am really inexperienced in romantic realtionships. But I think if one person is naturally dominating and the other is docile, then it works, they balance each other out. But, I think if relationships are based on who has the more power, it will end bad. They should be like a team and take decisions.

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Thank you @Imbuk!

Yes, it is going to end bad, at least this is what I believe will happen in OTWTTA, as SA is too good a wife to be wasted on that unappreciative and arrogant jerk of a husband!

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Happy birthday, Pebble!

To answer your question, I've never had or considered a relationship with anyone I work with - first off, most of them are married, and secondly, I have deep misgivings about tangling work and private lives, I really prefer to keep the two separate.

I'm also very different from my true self at work, partly because of the constraints of a professional environment - I wouldn't really have much use for or trust in the affections of anyone who is attracted to that version of me, because, well, it's not really me.

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Thank you @pogo (cutie dog!)

That is why I think it may be quite stressful to develop any kind of romantic relationship at work. Like what you said, we may be hiding our true selves at work, as we are being trained to be more condescending and only say whatever is politically correct at work. It will be quite stifling to date/marry someone more senior at work who is attracted to that kind of false submissiveness and expects the same kind of behavior at a more personal level. Anyway, this is just a sweeping generalization, I understand that not every situation is the same, so it's good to reserve judgement too.

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Well, I guess *technically* I married someone of a higher status than myself, and our power decide in terms of society's values has only gotten wider. He's three years older than me and has a masters and an Mfa and is a working actor and adjunct professor. I have a bachelors in lit and a manuscript that has taken the better part of our marriage to produce. That being said, I never feel like he dominates me, or vice versa. A relationship is not the place for pullling rank. For a long term monogamous relationship to work well, both of you have to seek the other persons happiness and well being as much as you seek your own. Part of that is consciously refraining from pulling rank, or using your priveledge to get you're own way. Whoever naturally has more power has to be more careful of that than the lower status person. Conversely the lower status person has to remember not to give in to the higher status person on every little thing.

Can the people in our dramas do that and still enjoy their relationship? I don't know. But I'll write about it at length.I have a lit degree and nothing else to do with it.

I think Hwa Shin and Na Ri have a good prognosis. No matter how the relationship started right now Na Ri is in the one with all the power. He She may love him, but she also loves Jung Won, and that means Hwa Shin likes her more than she likes him. No mater you comparative social status, the one who likes the other one more always has less power. Arguably as this drama progresses, Na Ri gains more and more power and he just loves her more and more.

As for drinking solo, honestly I'm a little worried. I think Premium Trash is attracted to her sincerity, caring, and desire to do her job well for the good of her students, not her admiration. I have no idea what she sees in him. When he's nice to her, he's super nice. But most of the time he's condescending or outright mean, and he's never even polite to anyone else. I don't care about his backstory. It might make sense of why he s the way he is, but it doesn't change what he is. I'm glad Ha Na found some spine because otherwise this would just be a romanticized slightly abusive relationship.

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I'm sorry about some of the wording on this post. I typed It on the tablet and auto correct does not like me. Or the name Hwa Shin.

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@Anne, I agree that ideally, couples should refrain from pulling, and what I think stands out in your reply is this : the lower status person has to remember not to give in to the higher status person on every little thing.

As such, I think it still boils down to the comfort level of the lower status person, she must have the confidence to be herself and see herself of equal footing and worth as the partner despite the disparity in rank and status. At the same time, the higher status person shouldn't be looking for someone just to massage his ego and make him feel good, he must be willing to treat the partner with decent respect. Or else, things just will not work.

Actually, be it Hwa Shin or Jung Won, Na-ri is still caught in this kind of lopsided relationship, she probably has the fate of a "candy", i.e. being attracted to more powerful man, who in turn loves her because she is condescending and patronizing. In the latest ep, despite the sticky situation she was in, she still came out to buy cup noodles and ice cream for Hwa Shin just because he demanded that she did that for him, this is unbelievable!! She is lucky to be given the upper hand when two men are fighting over her, so it gives her the opportunity to set the ground rules of the relationship with either of them. Imagine if HS were to accept her when she was idolising him head over heels, she would be much worse off and would always have to be at his beck and call.

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I think the greater question here is why she does those things. I think it's because she loves him, and wants an excuse to be with him, even if she can't justify dating him. @Barbery talks about what makes them attracted to each other, and I couldn't agree more. I don't think she likes him because of his social status but for his honesty and the kindness he desperately doesn't want anyone to know he has. She might be powerless, but she's not cowed by rank, and she has a healthy self respect.

If anything it's her and Jun Won's relationships where status seems to be in the way. She can't seem to help but think of herself as subordinate. She only managed to speak to him informally at the end of the episode. Jun Won also sees himself as of less power in the relationship. He does whatever she wants, even if he doesn't like him t. He has no confidence and is threatened by Hwa Shin liking her, even when Hwa Shin says he'll never telll her. He begs her to come back like a whiny little boy.

Na Ri may still be using formal speech with Hwa Shin but she feels perfectly free to yell at him, touch him, scold him, coax him to go to the hospital, or tell him not to drink. He's not afraid to be mad at her and yell when she kisses him, and then tells Jun Won she loves him. He makes his own decisions(albeit self distructive ones. I'm starting to think this drama is going to end with him dying, and then Na Ri and Jun Won get married) and purposely refuses to do what she wants. Na Ri might be the lower status person socially and the more powerful person romantically, but they both see each other as equals. She ignores his demands and desires all the time. If she goes out and buys him ramen and ice cream, it's ultimately because she wants to.

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'A relationship is no place for pulling rank' - couldn't agree with you more. I'd go further and say a relationship is no place for a rank, period, in terms of socially constructed success. Hwa Shin and Nari are an excellent example. It's a question of value, not rank. He was blind to her value as an inordinately kind person until he reached a point where that became important to him, and now he sees it, it outranks any status she might have. For her, his professional drive and honesty are what seemed at root her attraction to him. She values that; it's something she admires personally. Jung Won seems to have a bit of both, but in a way he's complete in and of himself, where Hwa Shin and Nari complement each other, bringing out each other's best sides now he's valuing her back. Not to mention the sexual tension - that had to be the best and most realistic kiss I've seen in dramaland; even though still constrained by kdrama convention, I could just feel them wanting to be inside each other's skins. Hot!

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Actually, I still feel that the best kiss this year is the one in OHYA, the built up of the sexual tension between HY and DK was explosive, with repressed frustration, anger and yearning being the raw emotions which lighted the sparks. I don't feel much of a impact in JI, as I think Nari was being too wishy-washy, and it sort of makes the kiss feel like lust rather than intense emotional involvement.

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Totally agree! So well-written.

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Happy belated birthday, Pebble.

Re question:

My guess, the one in higher position would have a bigger ego, and thus expect complete submission from his/her partner? It's not something I have experienced before so I can't comment much on it. I wouldn't consider going into such relationship, mostly because I don't want to date someone from work, especially not the higher ups, I can't imagine the awkwardness if the relationship itself fails and I have to see that person every day.

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Thank you @Maryxiah.

I wouldn't put myself in that position as well, but still, there are people who "marry up happily ever after" too, so I'm wondering what it takes to make it work? For example, supportive wives of CEOs and politicians, etc, I always wonder if these ladies have a life of their own (of course, Hilary Clinton is an outstanding exception), particularly in Jdorama, we see wives who have to quit their jobs to be full time house wives and their preoccupation with supporting their husbands, like forcing themselves to join social clubs formed by wives of co-workers and having to mingle with people they dislike, this is insane!

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They have to be either selfless or ambitious to be the woman behind a successful man, because ultimately they'd have to sacrifice their whole life, time and precious youth to devote to one man, which I really hope isn't the case in real life because I want man and woman in a marriage to make it work without the other one pulling all the weight and making sacrifices left and right. Because I can already imagine the frustration and resentment build up after a long period of time. But to be honest, I never really cared much for those in higher position, mostly because I'd never imagine myself in their position, wouldn't trade my current life for anything in the world.

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so there's so much good drama this week but I hardly got time,
Watching this combo drama really can complete each other
Moonlight + Louis + TheK2
Sad_cute_punch everyone!!!
Woman with Suitcase + On The Way to The Airport + Fantastic
Promising Romance + Conflicting Romance + Positive Romance

bonus round:
Drinking Solo + 1 % of anything + Fantastic
Ha Seok Jin_Ha Seok Jin part 2_Fantastic!

how about Moon Lovers, JI, Taylor Shop combination?

anyway, I am on stay up mode this recent week,
so just asking
How long have you stay up continuously?
I once didn't get any sleep for 45 hours, so almost 2 days without any sleep,
I work at 6-6 and I need to make report in the night, I can't even slack out or thought of getting sick,
I listen to "Don't close your eyes" and Mayday "Sad People don't listen to a sad song" on loop to help me then I sleep for 10 hours after it ends,
and sometimes on a field work, I only sleep 3 hours max every day for 2 weeks,
after it ends, I didn't go out for 2 days with 10-hour sleep each day and having the delivery for a meal,
sometimes the moment when your hand tremble you realised that it drained you so much,
so do you have similar experience?? or a funny one?

and have you think of one fictional object you want
Mine is the magic pencil from then India drama, I remember it from a long ago,
the object we draw can become real.

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76 hours. during a festival.

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waah, that's really long,
how's everyone feeling after that???

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because it is a really good festival you wanna stall it until the last moment, fighting your fatigue, just one more song... and then stagger home singing (or making zombie sounds, more like) of course we are all useless the next day and get hit by bicycles and bump into stuff.

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76 hours?! That's insane! I'd never gone without sleep for longer than 36 hours. But I'd take naps in between to last longer.

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first night is tough, but when you are at the festival night club till 4 am and then you come home and you have to get up at 7 anyway to make breakfast it is bothersome to wash your feet make a bed dress for bed go to bed try to sleep and it is more tormenting to wake up that way, so the 3 hours I was just reading. the concerts started every day at 13.00 so I had time to work in the garden and cook lunch and stuff till then. had I just been partying I would probably have slept some but I couldnt.

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So my bold game going bad, I guess I need sleep,
but the point's are

1) How long have you stayed up continuously?
2) Have you think of one fictional object you want ? (like from fictional stories )

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Fictional object -
More like fictional character..

Hermoine Granger :)

Or Voldemort..

I am happy with both :)

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Or anythig to do with x men :)

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Strictly object??

Marty's time travel machine :)

Or anyone else's

But definitely not the telephone booth of Dr. W

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Oh wait no.. i want that tablet from W.. with preinstalled faces of LJW, LJG, ken(thailand), Mike (Thailand), JJY, and any other hot actor i have ever had a crush on whom I can't recall rt now :)

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I've twice stayed up all night to watch MLSHG at 6 am raw here on Canada's west coast, and gone into work afterwards.

Object I want most: I like that winged man in the Avengers' series. Something about flying! He can even fold them in front of him for an impenetrable shield.

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Action Romance combi is best. so The K2 Competin with FantastiC.

Monday-tuesday work days so better be alone and Relaxed - Drinking Solo.

Something is need for Wed-Thu so Woman with a suitcase Alone ready to leave the current place.

Around 35-40 hours 2-3 times. Looks like you are into some physical exerting job. 3 hours a day sleep maddens me. Bad headache all day. Low body activity and I become easily annoyed.

If food and water is in question, Then there are days where i go without any food or water for 20+ hours straight. On rare days its 35 hours.

Dramabeans has huge no. of indian visitors. Kids drama.

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right, It mostly physical fields related work, and I usually packed lots of supplements, coffee and some personal drug.

Day 2 is the happiest day cause everyone seems happy, 5th day usually the hardest cause almost everyone has some sort of deadline, tired face, rough skin, lack of snack , want to sleep earlier and will complain about all the small things happen,
day 6-7 usually break so everyone can get some easy feels.
Then day 12-13 also hard cause we'll face the deadline meeting again, people who just can't cooperate, the incomplete survey, the incomplete data, the lack of snack and go on.

So much fighting happen from whose pencil is on the ground to some friendly dissed. I can't say it's healthy but it's physically and mentally frustrating so we kinda let it out but the apologised and realisation after the field work end is needed to maintain a good relationship.
The good thing is you can see how wonderful some people when they can stay calmed and smile to you. It's wonderful to find people who can cooperate with you.

I amazed that you can go 20+ hours without food and drink, Idk if I can do that,,, I probably can but spend the 10 hours with sleeping,

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My maximum was almost 48 hours.

But I used to routinely do 24-30 hour days due to being "on call" which means working from 730 am till 12 pm the next day, sometimes without sleep. I did that anywhere from 4-7 times a month. Glad those days are more or less over.

I have too many stories to tell, because my luck is always bad and I'd get many sick patients come in. But probably the most tragic is that when I actually have a quiet night, and have the chance to sleep, I'm too keyed up (and worried about what COULD be coming) to actually fall asleep!

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ooh, the anxiety that sleeping is waste of time??
I get that feeling sometimes
when I have time to sleep but what if I badly need at those hours?
what other things I can do besides sleep?
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something like that??

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Haha, not really. more like... i'm worried plus I want to fall asleep so badly, I get so stressed about falling asleep that I can't! lol.

Like I REALLY need to sleep now, because I may not get the chance to do so later... And then I just can't fall asleep... which makes me more stressed about falling asleep... which makes it even harder to fall asleep.

I may not be making sense because I think I need to sleep! haha. Getting old, need my 7 hours of sleep daily!

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I understand what you are saying. I used to feel like this on the day before exams. When I feel like i need a break, instead of doing other things, I ll try to sleep because I know I wouldn't be able to sleep in the night. But I ll end up stressing about trying to sleep on one hand (like forcing myself to do so) and not studying on the other hand. In the end, I won't get any sleep at all and it would become a complete waste of time!

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are you referring to the shakalaka boom boom pencil.....how i wish i had one.......

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I don't know the title but I remember they speak Hindi and the setting is in Primary School,
I don't think I watched the drama myself but I saw the promotion clips about it,
He is really good at drawing, somehow he got a magic pencil, isn't that awesome?
since I saw that, I no longer interested in magic wand or sword, that pencil is magic for real life!!!

it's like Rudy Tabootie in ChalkZone but the pencil can be used everywhere... or is there a rule for it??

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104 hours, finishing my diploma thesis at school. I ended up in hospital two days later (dehydration) and caffeine stopped having any effect on me ever since ...

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That's impressive, my productiveness and output significantly dips the later I stay up to work. I think after 104hrs I'd be just writing gibberish.

I think I must be getting old, I use to bounce back from all nighters like they were nothing. These days staying up all night means I lose a day on sleep and get a throbbing migraine for the next week.

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Well, that was decades ago for me and all I had to do was writing up.

Nowadays I'm entirely useless after less than 20 hours, and I have to call it a week if I miss an entire night.

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Reminds me of an episode from Valerie/ The hogan family..

Some sleep experiment jason bateman had to do for his college..and valerie/mother is not allowed to sleep.. it was really funny..

And personally i think the same does happen..

You star toff normally, then there is a phase where you are super sleepy..if you pass that stage then you become super excited and full of energy and the sleep in gone..but you are really really active.. and then energy levels drop like anything..

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The good old family shows... there is nothing like that anymore on tv..

Happy days (so so so miss that show)
that 70s show (donright funny)
I totally digged I dream of jeannie and bewitched and silver spoons and WHo's the boss
Harper family
I loved grinder recently .. sigh they canceled it..
FULL HOUSE.. my evergreen love..
HIMYM - oh the ending.. if I could I would travel into that drama and throw smack robin for playing with Barney's feelings and basically throw ted out of the window

and so many others..

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Magic pencil Indian show = Shaka laka boom boom. I was a kid when it used to air and it seemed like a fun show. No wonder, W did not really seem that novel to me :P

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yasss...that, juniorG...... Shaktiman........ Popoy....... and the like were my crack....during those days....

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right!! that's it, I just google it,
how can I forget that it had the flower head,
and it's on 2000-2004??
I think I saw it like after 2004...

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Isn't that show (magic pencil one) based on a popular Indian folklore..

Infact I believe that was part of Middle School textbook curriculum.. Its a really famous story..just can't recall the details rght now

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48hrs is my limit unless I'm stuck in a deserted island with Gummy, LKG, JCW, Eric Oppa and Ji-soo. I won't sleep at all if ever the chance presents itself!!

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buuut, the oppa will sleep...
how can you missed the chance.....

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I have ways to keep him up all night....hah

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I usually get enough sleep. I am one of those people who cannot really stay awake for a long time. So, if I need to work to be done, I ll wake up early which works for me than working during the night. But, if I don't get enough sleep, like what all others said, I ll have a headache and one time, the littlest of things made me cry for a long time due to lack of sleep and i couldn't be alone that time, it was super embarrassing, lol. So, I try to sleep as much as I can always, to be productive and keep my emotions in control.

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I used to be that way until I discovered caffeine.

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I used to be that way too until I discovered vit.C

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Ha Ha.. ok guys. I have noted it down. Caffeine and vitamin c to the rescue during sleepless days.

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I have insomnia so i can hardly sleep for long periods. I once went 48 hours without sleep and that was because i had to finish my dissertation for submission.

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5 days.. straight.. with brush in office :) .. and well literally no sleep..

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Jealousy Incarnate just keeps delivering. It makes you start questioning alot of things in life about relationships.

At this point, i cannot say for a fact who Na RI will end up with and really it doesn't really matter anymore. I laughed like crazy during ep 15. It was crazy funny.

Am i the only one that wants to hear JW talk. His voice...OMG..His voice.

The moons this week were heartbreaking and i am grateful that Jealousy Incarnate made me laugh and smile.

OTWTA....the drama that just keeps me hooked. I do not how to express it but it just keeps me hooked.

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I really should watch this show. Now that the cancer-watch is over, i might be able to dive in. Thanks.

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Yes! Jealousy incarnate is likw my guilty pleasure. It such a fun drama. Me too, I have no idea who na ri will end up with but I am enjoying this as it is. Yes, go kyung pyo has an amazing voice. Probably the best voice of all korean actors I have watched so far. Also, I have always liked hwa shin more even when jung won was all swoony but this week somehow I got jung won's appeal too and now I am as confused as na ri as to whom I like more! ;)

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then you probably haven't watch empress ki. The character taltal has an amazing voice plus the best chemistry with ha ji won surprisingly

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Oh! Ok, will check it out when I have time and I no it has ji chang wook too. So, maybe I ll watch it soon.

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@Imbuk is his voice or what? cause seriously his voice keep replaying in my head like a broken record.

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Yes! His voice Is probably deeper than the sea. ;)

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Good Opportunity to ask a question.

How these male-female characters fall in love? It hardly takes 3 episodes for the characters to show feelings of love. fickle hearts. No romance, love, relationships experience but they know for sure whatever they are feeling right now is love.

Human world needs this magical love. Everything has rational reasoning behind it. without reason nothing happens in this world. So excuse of love is illogical doesn't much work. I just never understand the romance portion of kdramas.

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that´s why I like Louie. The guy is matter-of factly and says things like "well, cause I like you!" and "this was a date!" but he has never made just big words and declarations and he hasnt even put a name on his feelings. they are just slowly growing closer and closer and being very comfortable with each other so the declaration is not even necessary perhaps they will just both know at one point that this is it

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I'm curious to know why older Kdrama couples are contented with just a kiss!!?? Like seriously, is this just torture from the writers or something to do with media sensors?

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maybe all the guys are aliens... kiss is all they can take?

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That's the weakness of Kdramas. Even the way they kiss, is like 2 lips touch full stop. It's only recently a noticed a graduation from that lips touch, hands down, eyes wide open kiss.

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I agree, k-dramas need to work to make all the kisses natural. Also I don't understand why they are so hesitant with showing the H/h consummating their relationship (it can easily be done without breaking the PG 13 rating, and staying tasteful and tame). I feel like many drama storylines get negatively affected because the writing (who-ever) doesn't allow the H/h to move forward in their relationship.

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I think its probably the culture. Korean audience wouldn't have been as accepting of displaying physical intimacy then as they are now. Because, The movies we get where I am from also doesn't show much intimacy (i mean definitely not upto western standards) even now unless if its a really bold movie.

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Japan is porn island. South korea is 18+ content land. Lot of korean movies have intense physical intimate scenes. Then we have groups who do provocative dance in skimpy clothes. I don't they are as much as naive as we think.

@laila It still happens a lot. Those barely touching lips kiss scenes are the majority even in 2016.

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i hv been meaning to ask this..

why do people call japan that?

Most of d dramas i have seen are more conservative than korean or indian dramas ( ofcourse pakistan rules that roost)..

N porn industry exists everywhere... infact from entertainment world perspective isn't anime the bread n butter of japan ent?

the why label that country as porn freak .. i was planning to visit japan n was doing internet search .. 90% of the comments r abt that singular point ..

neone from japan?

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@ez no. of movies produced per year are in 10K+. Huge no. of female actors and easy public visibility of magazines to media content.

Someone in an open thread said Japan is more open compared to South Korea which actually is true in a few ways but not in the context that user had mentioned. Japaese Tv media is more conservative compared to South koreans.

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@EZ,
You wil have to go back to the 1990s and early-mid 2000s for J-dramas to be more open about relationships. The classics like Long Vacation and Love Revolution etc had no problems showing proper kissing (no dead fish lip press), skinship, etc. Then the dramas went totally conservative - at least in the rom-com genre - and began to focus more on procedurals and the like. They imply a lot, but don't show much - it is possible to get through a 12-episode drama with the lead characters only kissing once. However, the good J-dramas also tend to be more open about discussing sensitive issues.

Japan has a pretty active adult entertainment industry, and even non-pornographic magazines sometimes feature nudity (and people openly browse them in stores).

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Even kiss is a big job done properly. But in reality controlling yourself with just a pale,barely lips touched type kiss is impossible.

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1) some drama assume they already knew for a long time and just want to make the moves now
2) they just electrocuted by love
3) probably related to culture??
Korean has that 1st day as a couple rule.
It has to be counted and it happens the moment someone agreed to be a couple. Then fast confession isn't really strange when you also like the guy

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I want to know the answer to this question too. How and When do people decide that they are in love and can live the rest of their life together?

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Physical Attraction is a given and i'm ok with this excuse but where does the when,how, and why came from? You don't fall for other person based on few interactions worth of few minutes. If that was true then this human world would have turned into paradise of love Instead we have the rule of hatred everywhere.

@sancheezy counting 1st day of becoming a couple isn't much strange. I just find that the relationship buildup too superficial. Inexperienced characters suddenly start to say they like or love this person. The way they confidently say this makes it feel like forced.

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This is still kdramaland right? Cause my answer will be based on that particular scenario.

Arranged marriages aside... What I've noticed in most dramas... I think when they say that they'll start dating, means they are officially in a relationship which kickstarts the countdown to their first 100 days.

I also think once the couple rings are exchanged, it's more or less saying that they're engaged? Which in kdramaland can happen within the first 100 days, unbelievable right?

It gets official once the couple gets a meeting and a blessing from their respective families (usually parents) and then an official engagement advise is released (if its from a chaebol family) or they go straight to the wedding. Sidenote: planning a wedding in kdramaland seems super easy that they can do it overnight (i.e. Fated to love you).

So I guess you can call that the steps in kdrama lands happily ever after. Completing the deed with a fake kiss!

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I think while they may call it "love," the immediacy of how dramaverse protagonists fall for each other really translates into attraction more than love. That's why dramas undo their own foundational work when they have characters fall "in love" so quickly, and yet express it physically in such a stingy, withholding way.

I've always assumed the limited kissing/PDA(?) had to do with having to shield the public. Some might prefer the chastity of Asian dramas to the overtly sexual Western shows (from the States especially), which partly are selling their shows with sex, nudity and violence... I mean, I hardly think G.R.R. Martin's books are as visually exciting as HBO has made them out to be.

On the other hand, it also depends on which shows you're watching. K-dramas, fortunately, have enough of a range, for a viewer to really get a good variety of rates-of-attraction.

Answer Me 1997's lead couple didn't fall head over heels overnight. Similarly, Oh Hae Young Again's leads took 9 episodes to establish a physical rapport. And likewise, shows like Valid Love portray a more realistic course of love that isn't immediate, racy, or heart-pulverizing in the way that "traditional" romance dramas might feature. Shows like Descendants of the Sun, You From Another Star, and countless others, who feature that magical love, do so cos there's a definite market/large viewership who hanker after that sort of thing. And there's nothing wrong in that, after all we seek entertainment that fits our tastes, and one person's cup of tea is another person's...coffee? miso soup?? I'm in danger of losing my analogies.

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That's the difference between a good writer and a bad writer, it depends on their creativity to make the audience relate to the story and how the characters behave and fall in love. I don't think you can rationalize the romance in drama because essentially you have to consider a lot of factors like time constrain, plot, characters and story flow. So you just have to find a drama where the romance feels right for you and watch that I guess?

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Happy Friday Beanies!

I'm currently having a new obsession- watching the Cdrama version of QIHM and really enjoying it! Unfortunately I feel slightly cheated because I THOUGHT it was only 24 episodes, but then I realized each episode is 1.5 hours long!!! Which means I got addicted to a show that is 36hours.... there goes all my free time! ? (NO spoilers please! I haven't seen QIHM as well)

And amusingly I'm really liking the evil guy Wang Mang who is played by Chen Sean (he is a cutie!) which is a first for me. I usually never like the bad guy. (I realize he is the lead in Whirlwind Girl, which also has Yang Yang, so I'm definitely going to check it out if just for the gorgeous eye candy!!)

Also, started Woman with a Suitcase and enjoying it so far... loving Choi Ji Woo but not feeling the male lead so much and having twinges of second lead syndrome. SLS is also a first for me. A lot of firsts this week! Lol

Talking about firsts- my Boy is starting to talk So Much More and he is even starting to imitate me when I say things like sorry- "sor-wee" and good morning- "more-ing!". So it's time to watch what I say so that one of his new words won't be a rude one or a swear word ? And he had a great time at swimming lesson today! Even the instructor was surprised at how good he was. Thank you all again for all your encouragement and love. ❤️

Hope everyone has a great week ahead!

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I like Suitcase as well, but waiting for complete subs is a real torture. So I just decided to watch both on Thursday /Friday. But the only dramas that I really loving now are Drinking Solo & Fantastic.

I love QIHM Korea version.. ;) Didnt watch Cdrama version yet.

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Oh my gosh I didn't even name the drama in my first comment. LOL! clearly I'm sleep deprived.

It's called Love through a millennium and the reason I started it was because it has a sequel coming out in November that stars Puff Guo who I like lot. And then I realised it was based on QIHM (which you Beanies highly recommended) and it had Jing Boran and Zheng Shuang who were in Love O2O (movie and drama respectively).

I'll see how it goes and hope it lives up to its kdrama predecessor.

But yes, I am frustrated over the time it takes to sub Suitcase too. (I'm spoilt because Moonlight and W were both subbed at the speed of light!) I think its all the legal jargon.

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Oh! Puff guo! I really have to see this drama then. I loved her in just you. But couldn't watch her next drama where she played a chef because I just couldn't ship her with another guy other than aaron yan, lol, I have moved on from that now. But I have not watched both queen inhyun's man as well as love through the millennium. Is it mandatory to watch the first part to understand the upcoming puff guo's drama? Because my broadband can't take it If i start watching another drama and I don't have time either.

Also, happy to hear about your son! :)

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Oh my, you sound exactly like how I felt!
I couldn't watch Puff in that show also because the male lead was younger/less experienced than her IRL and I just didn't feel the connection unlike in Just You. lol.

I have no clue if you need to watch the first Millennium to watch the sequel, but when I do get round to watching it I'll try to remember to let you know which way it is! XD

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@michykdrama glad o know was not the only one who felt that way.

Thank you. I ll probably watch the first episode if I could get it to see if can understand. Also, I googled it, it mostly seems like both parts only share similar themes? Also I found the trailer. Maybe, you have already seen it?http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://www.cpoplove.com/2016/08/30/korean-artist-ban-strikes-puff-guo-replaces-yoo-na/&ei=yTRb0Q2u&lc=en-IN&s=1&m=962&host=www.google.co.in&ts=1476529777&sig=AF9NedkbNP92YLp_bz7CWktEBZFozlU82A

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@michykdrama I think my previous reply is being moderated. but, that was the wrong link. I found the trailer of this drama, maybe you have seen it.
http://www.avirtualvoyage.net/2016/10/wei-da-xuns-shuttle-love-millennium-drops-trailer-and-air-date.html

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Thanks for the tip! I loved the Kirean version, so I can't wait to check that out. Has anyone watched Rookie Agent Rogue? The first episode is good and I like the lead actress (she was the lead in Boss and Me). I'm also halfway through swimming battle.

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Ack! The "Korean" version!

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BTW - Where are you watching it?

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Oh I'm watching it on drama cool. I think kissasian has it too.

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Haha, one kid I had in a class (3-year-olds) was a non-talker, and I happened to say in passing to my co-teacher, "advertising works" after a kid picked up on a corporate logo. This non-talker immediately started repeating "advertising works" non-stop. It was the weirdest, funniest thing. His mom must have wondered what the heck we were teaching. So yes, be careful what you say. :-)

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blnmom! nice to see you. haven't seen you in a while :)

Yeah I'm also telling my husband to be careful. He tends to break out a swear word or two when he gets frustrated. Most of the times not even in English. It would be hilariously tragic if my child's first word in chinese was a swear word XD

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Yup, I was gone last week. Nice to be back. Hope you had a good trip!

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That's hilarious!

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oh yes, and I forgot to ask,

In Korean Sagueks, is the speech pattern/choice of words very different from modern day speech?

Because I noticed the stark difference while watching Love Though a Millennium in the type of chinese spoken- the words used are very formal and different entirely from how modern people speak. I assume it is the same in Korean Saeguks vs modern dramas? I can't tell because I don't know enough korean yet.

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@michykdrama Yes. From all the saeguks i have watch (which is alot...i have a thing for history) they speak differently. It's like its more formal and "pure"

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@michykdrama - oh boy, YES. The vocabulary, cadence, tone - almost everything is different between sageuk and modern speech in Korean. You'll be able to tell even if you're not fluent in the language, once you watch enough dramas.

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Moonlight is a good example of formal sageuk speech, that's why it can be hard to understand, much like their dialects. For example, Yeong said "I love you" to Ra-on using the word "yeonmu" instead of "sarang" like we used to hear in modern K-drama.

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Thanks all for the enlightenment!

I shall strive to watch more saeguks and improve my ear for the korean language :)

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@Michykdrama - so glad to hear the news about your boy! It's adorable when they begin talking, and they really do copy what they hear lol.

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thanks @pogo! yes he is really becoming a little parrot XD

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Hi Everyone! ....... I hope you are all doing well today! ....... First burst of cool weather this week, but heating up once again next week.  It's both fall and summer!

Watched this week:

Moonlight Drawn By Clouds - I'm ready for any type of ending the writer may have come up with for our lovely crown prince and the love of his life!  I think a couple of different endings may fit in this case, so any direction they decide to go in, I can live with it.

Jealousy Incarnate - Hilarious and then not and then back again...... all in any given episode.  It's great!

W - Back to watching in bits and pieces.  No idea what episode I kind of last watched, that's how much attention I'm paying to it, I suppose.

On The Way To The Airport - The drama that has captured my interest wholeheartedly, that now consumes my thoughts and the one I can't wait until the next episode for.  Oh so good!

Moon Lovers - Up to episode 6.  IU made me laugh this week.

The K2 - Postponed watching the show this past week.  I may have to put this aside for now, because the schedule is getting a little crazy.  It's either going to be this or W, but one of these will most likely be put on hold for a bit.

That's all for now. ....... Everyone take care and have a great Friday!

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W was my crack drama until i found out that the writer had not seen the last episode. So i decided not to watch the last episode too just for spite. if she, who wrote it, didn't watch the ending, why would i? :D

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W was my crack until Kang Chul 2.0, then it dwindled down to just being pointlessly a waste of my time. I'm still griping on that mess of a finale.

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Me too, Yoyo, at exactly the same point in the drama.

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W--which I'm watching now--is weird in the way that, yes, things happen, and the things that happen ARE exciting and DO advance the plot...but why does it often seem SO SLOW?

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Yoyo & Beanfan -

Yeah, I just thought I'd be more excited about the whole thing. Turns out I'm kind of not even though certain moments are quite unique and interesting.

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omg are you serious she didn't watch it?!

Song Jae-jung really should stick to cable, her plots and style don't seem to be at their best in a Big 3 drama. Points for originality though!

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yep! serious. well, during at that time when she held an interview anyway she hasn't watched it. I remember listening to the recent podcast that javabeans and girlfriday did and they talked about that too - about how the writer hasn't seen the last episode or was it the last two? but i think she was planning on marathoning it sometime so maybe now she watched it. but i was already annoyed that she would subject her viewers to that kind of ending and then she herself wouldn't watch it alongside us. so i stuck to just reading the recap for the ending instead.

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I am confused over this author didn't see her last episode..

Even in the recaps (don't remember who was doing the recaps) they mentioned the same..

I mean she wrote the drama, she knows the ending..so what's the big deal about watching/not watching it??

It is obviously not because she doesn't know how it ends..but more likely for any other reason

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personally, it's more of like being responsible/accountable to what you have created. even if it sucked, i would like my writer to see it too - it would give me a sense of togetherness that hey, she was with us all along the way, all through it all. because not watching the finale conveyed some sort of abandonment on her part even if that's not what she meant. it's like hey, i wrote the ending. you guys watch it while i sit here and watch you all agonize over it.

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It's not just she didn't watch it, she said she didn't even care how it ended. WTF?

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I still have yet to watch the last two episodes of Moonlight. Mostly because i feel however it ends, iit'll fall into the expected. But maybe i also can't deal with the stress of broken hearts. For me, this drama manages to combine the extreme stress of worrying about our characters' fates and a total belief that whatever happens will be predictable.

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I agree. Next week is either going to scar us for drama life or make us happy. I just can't take anymore heartache.

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I lost interest and stopped watching shortly after the confession scene. The whole drama seems to have deflated for me since then. I'll marathon once it's done.

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Finally, an OT where i catch this on time XD
Hello Beanies!

Reporting for my kdrama addiction, unfortunately still don't catch up with the latest ep as I'm struggling to continue Jealousy Incarnate or starting new show at all.

Currently only enjoying Two Weeks, up to episode 5. Snail pace, i know haha. But these weeks have been so busy and all, Junki has waited for years, few more days won't matter i guess lol. For those who is interested in Lee Junki being in a good drama, i recommend this!!!! Kim So Yeon kinda irritates me with her overacting sometimes but still managed to watch her. The daughter is basically the cutest bundle of joy ever.

Anyway, any beanies reside in Netherland? Been two months living here and i still can't get used to the ever-changing weather. Yesterday i went to Groningen which ensure me it's already winter in October but today sun shines so brightly in Leiden, oh well.

Have a good weekend everyone!

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Oh, I'm watching it too, I will watch episode 7 tomorrow

I'm regretting the fact that 3 years ago at the same time slot as Two Weeks, I was so busy swooning over Joo Jung One, Joo Jung Two, Joo Jung Three which had made me missing out the chance to watch Lee Joon Gi's drama. Two Weeks is my new addiction now beside Scarlet Heart.

I'm planning to watch Arang and then Iljimae (probably Time between dog and wolf too) after Two Weeks. I can't bring myself to watch Scholar even when LJG looks so gorgeous in it ><

Now I'll just have to find any spare time to watch several old dramas along with other coming soon dramas. Goodbye sleep..

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Enjoy yourself catching up on LJK's older gems. Arang had such an achingly good love story btw Arang and Sato. As for TMDAW, the first part is a little slow, but the second part is simply unputdownable. The series of episode cliffhangers in the latter episodes were edge-of-your-seat stuff. I wish I was watching them for the first time too :D

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Not in the Netherlands, but visited once yonks back and loved it. Leiden is a nice place, a bit quiet if I remember right, and where I climbed my first windmill. I really liked Amsterdam, and Den Bosch is charming. Utrecht is pretty neat too.

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Ah Was there last October :)

It would rain and be all sunny and then rain again :).. but i really did enjoy my time there..

BTW.. bummer..i tried one of those space cakes and all it did to me was put me to sleep ( and i had heard so many stories about it.. major letdown..specially given i have never even had a drop of liquor so was really expecting something great)

Anyway.. another blunder..they were showing that billy elliot..and i ran to utrecht from amsterdam to efteling o rmadurodam don't recall to utretcht to watch it..only to find it wasn't in english

Good old memories..

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aaaahhhhh, Two Weeks. That was such a good drama.

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Question: Does anyone like the no-show sock trend? It seems to get a lot of hate around here.
My answer: I love it. I only have 4 pairs of regular socks. I have a bunch of no-show. Like all over my house a bunch. Even had some fall out of blankets.

@Kaybee , I'm catching up to you on Full House. Do you want to try for 1-2 episodes per week from here out?

TV this week

Korean:
UF (Work) - next ep 16
C&4K (Cohabitation) - completed. I liked it. I'm going to miss the characters. I hope Bodyguard/Secretary Lee has a good life.
JI (Work) - next ep 10
MDBC (Work) - next ep 10
Full House (Cohabitation) - on ep 7. Best character is still Paul Monkey. I skip around all Hye-Won scenes, even ones that include the OTP because she annoys me. I don't have SLS but I do like their friendship. I want three musketeers without the bad 3 friends they grew up with.
FantastiC (Work) - next ep 7
Drinking Solo (Work) - next ep 12
Shopping King Louie (Cohabitation) - next ep 6
Pucca - Se2 ep 11
Real GOT7 - next ep 8

Japanese:
Good Morning Call (High School) - next ep 2

Taiwanese:
My Queen (Grown) - next ep 3

Western:
Girl Meets World - next se3 ep14
Word Party - on ep 3
Liv & Maddie - next se3 ep3
Supergirl - next ep 2

P.S. I worked out a (new) category system for my dramas. Yay!

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Doctor X 4 has started to air this week. Kdrama writers surely need to take a few lessons from J-doramas to write better female characters.

I only wear socks on formal occasions.

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I haven't watched enough Jdoramas to really have an opinion. But I'm not a big fan of kdrama females so I can see that.

Socks on formal occasions, interesting. What kind of formal occasions? With what kind of shoes?

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Footsies over socks!

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Haha, yes! Me and my friend call them "sockies" because they are cute, little versions of socks. Everyone else looks at us like we are crazy.

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I often sweat in all occasion and I don't like the cold feeling in my feet so I always wear socks,
I have like 7 pairs of the exact same sock for everyday use,
sometimes it feels slippery without a sock and I don't like that feeling...

but for the trend, I don't really like if it combines with the not long enough pants, idk the term but the pants that looked like shorter 3-5 cm and showing the guy ankle,
I just don't get it,

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@Purple Owl - I LOVE the no-show socks (we call them 'foot covers' here). Sometimes I like to wear big chunky shoes with a bare ankle, and those socks are ideal for that. I assume people who hate bare ankles in shoes, probably don't even know you get socks like these!

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Re question:

Love no show socks, I tend to wear low ankle sneakers everyday so no show socks rocks! That sounds like tongue twister.

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Happy Friday Beanies!

I felt like my kdrama addiction is coming back now that I feel happier these days.

Now I'm bored because I have nothing watch until Sunday. (I watch Laurel Tree Tailor) Not watching K2, so I have a gap on Fridays~Saturday. Waiting for Entourage to premiere.

Any underrated drama I should watch?

Like doing poor in ratings but should have been higher. I have watch Beautiful Mind, I Remember You and Cheer Up (Sassy Go Go) as an example.

Thanks!

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I'd recommend any of these if you haven't seen them:

Heard it through the Grapevine
Syndrome
Flower Boyr Ramen Shop
Wang Family, (King's Family)
Ms Temper and Nam Jun Gi
Ghost
Punch
King of Drama
Ma Boy
Golden Cross
Joseon Xfiles
What Happens to my family

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Heard it through the Grapevine
Syndrome
Flower Boy Ramen Shop
Punch
Ma Boy
Golden Cross
Joseon Xfiles

^ list I have not watched. I might watch FBRS or Ma boy first. Thanks

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Hi all!

From Soompi thread dedicated to Moonlight Drawn By Clouds, thanks to the kind Soompier who translated:

"OST album of KBS drama 'Moonlight Drawn By Clouds' will be released on 28.10.2016.

The album is composed of 2 CDs.
_CD1 is composed of 13 OSTs: ...
_CD2 is composed of 16 BGMs, including all the BGMs having been played in the drama.

CDs can be pre-ordered through various online websites from 17.10.2016.
Based on article from Naver"

@lunatic4kd - hope you read this. I love what you wrote about Hwang Chi Yeul in the ep 16 recap of MDBC, and told a fellow HCY fan about it. She asked if she can repost your comment (the one where you expressed your delight at discovering HCY on DB) on the fanpage that she runs.

"Can you ask her if I can post her first comment on the page? I love discovering chiyeul all over again through the eyes of someone else new to him If she'd rather not have her name used I can post it as an anonymous fan. It's such an awesome comment is love to share it. It reminds me of how I felt eating up everything I could find in the early days" are her exact words. She runs HCY North American Fan Club page on FB. Many thanks.

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*whines* that's sooooo far away lol. It's the only music I've been listening to this week! Can't wait to get my hand on the BGM! Thanks for sharing!

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@mehungie you are welcome :) OST 12 is "Because I Miss You Yeong's Version" by Hwang Chi Yeul and OST 12 is .. "Because I Miss You" Dururu version :)

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Haha, I shouldn't be laughing but I love to see dedicated fans, used to be one but couldn't be bothered anymore these days.

Oooo, I'd love to get my hands on the CDs, only because I want to support Moonlight and give my love to them, one way or another.

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hello friends!

im usually lurking here but i have to ask: Is Scarlet Heart worth watching? i hear so many mixed reviews about the plot yet there seem to be an abundance of comments in every recap. should i dare give it a try? thanks, loves!

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I can only advise you to thread carefully with this drama coz it seems people will either hate it or love it so much. There are no middle grounds. I myself fall to the latter category. I'm so addicted with the drama..LJK n IU's chemistry is over the charts. They have problem with the editing and you need to watch 2 versions of it,SBS version n Int'l version. But once you got the hang of it you'll be fine. Especially if you caught the SHR virus. Just be careful my friend..thread lightly ?

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thank you! but wait. where does one find both versions? i mean, SBS and the international version. and are they both subbed? also, why are there two versions to begin with? what's the difference?

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Some fellow beanies have posted directions to the two different versions in response to Kiara's similar question to yours in comment no. 7.4.1.1.

There are two versions because SBS freaked out at the dismal ratings for the first few episodes that ML had and decided that they had to make amendments to their messed up editing for the whole series, hence the two versions. The differences aren't stark, though. Mostly some reshuffling of scenes for the first few episodes and some added or removed scenes (very short, not more than 5 minutes in total for each ep I believe) here or there between the SBS and international versions. There is also changes to background music apart from the changes to the scene orders and cuts, which are together to improve both flow and feels for the drama.

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thank you! :D

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Go to the usual sites where you watch kdramas. If you see the SBS logo on the top right, it's the SBS ie domestic version. No logo, and it's the international version.

Most times, the SBS version is better, with better flow, better background music, and with more additional scenes.

Give it a try and go in with an open mind. First 5 eps, as others have suggested, is a good start. For that reason, I would stay away from reading the recap comments until you've had the chance to make up your own mind on whether you like it or not, as I find that reading others' opinions could influence how you view a drama.

Have fun!

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I liked the first few episodes enough, but then wasn't compelled to continue. Still, I enjoyed what I watched, so you might give it a try.

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Hello,
I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible: try watching atleast until episode 5. If you are lazy watcher then go ahead and read the recaps on dramabeans, lol that's what I did for the first 5 episodes. The recaps weren't really what got me on board it was mostly the random clips u would find on instagram.
I'm usually picky when it comes to dramas but for me a great drama is where the romance or story is built slowly. I don't like to randomly jump into a love story where I don't have solid reasons to ship the couple. Anyways you should definitely give it a try. Fighting!!

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honestly, I find the plot delivery is complicated and the quality of every ep is different,
I think trying at least 5 episode is a good idea, you probably like it,
I suggest to marathoning 2 episode each time you watched,
it makes it better imo,
and it's okay to not like it or dropped it after 5 episode, every people will find what they like about something and they'll keep liking it

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Will this be your first sageuk? If so, read the recaps first. The story/plot is not complicated, its really the disastrous editing which has been the shows greatest flaw.
The show grows on you over time so if you still like it after the first 5 episodes, then continue watching it. Lots of helpful info are provided in the comment section of the shows recap, not to mention a lot of sarcasm and jokes too. If you come to a point wherein you understand why IU's eyes are always like this: O_O then you've finally embraced MLSHR.

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it's not my first sageuk. :D thank you! i shall give it a try. im mostly afraid of IU's acting and that's saying a lot because i like her as a person. but i've seen clips here and there and they weren't favorable for her.

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I believe scarlet heart is a classic example of how everything can go awry but good characters if acted out well can still draw you in..

Direction, Editing, music direction - everything is bad.. Editing is super bad..like no precedent in how horrible it is..

But then all actors have done a great job and really lee jung ki is the main draw. he is so sexy.. he makes his character so sexy.. mind/body/soul...

Cinematographers, stylists etc all good.. money has been put in so frames are pretty..

If you enjoy romance, if a compelling intense lead can draw you in.. go for it...

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Happy friday! I'm only glad it's friday because it means I can take a short break off from school...it's been a really hectic two weeks lately, but the next several weeks would be even more hectic, at least until finals are over (but that would be December sobs)

That means I've been missing 2 weeks of episodes - so that's about 3x2x2=12 episodes I need to catch up on. Been spoilt for last week's Jealousy Incarnate so I can't stay too long here to avoid even more spoilers.

Found more kdrama watchers in real life. Two of them asked if I'm watching Moonlight and I had to tell them that I'm boycotting KBS at the moment and the reason why (still not over what they did to Beautiful Mind).

One of my friends was telling me that she was watching Doctors but just couldn't get herself to finish the final three episodes. Her main concern was that Kim Rae Won (whom majority of people in real life refer to as 'The Main Lead') was too old. Personally, I haven't watched Doctors, but my concern wasn't the age difference or the fact that they could have gotten a younger actor - it was the fact that he was her biology teacher that creeped me out that I have to put this on hold.

That being said, I'm quite disappointed that many watchers tend to look out for younger actors and actresses and only popular ones. My friend even told me - she wouldn't have known Park Bo Gum if he wasn't famous. My only wish is that actors and actresses get the recognition they get based on talent, regardless of their popularity.

So this week's question: How do you guys cope when your favourite actor/actress who has been consistently delivering good performance, but wasn't not popular enough, and suddenly they skyrocketed to fame?

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A : I just being happy if they garner many new fans, they get appreciated and they get work - like PBG now but also a bit concerned.
Will they stay if PBG becomes less relevant??
Will they disappointed id they saw him in another less relevant role??
sometimes, I also hope people not overhyping him? (I knew this kinda selfish) but it feels like the more popular you are, you'll become the target of some people,
when your image is too nice, people like to call it fake,
I mean he obviously not perfect but I don't think he is a serial killer either, it's not a bad thing to have a good public persona

reminds me of Onew long time ago, he hardly got antis but when he has those "smoking" picture, the comment is weirdly disappointed,
I know smoking is bad but he just "probably smoking" since they said it's a lollypop but you don't need to be that harsh,

and for stanning the regular star, most people asked me who is Lee Sang Woo and why I like him even if he isn't famous in int-fan. Well idk, I just like him, he is not the best actor but I do like him,

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I have a tendency of being loyal to my fav actors/actresses even if they become less popular or suddenly become very popular.

When i like an actor/actress, i keep up with you. I watch your drama whether it's popular or not, or whether is not that good. I am that loyal.

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Oh i wanted to boycott TVN after the cheese debacle, but i got dragged in my OHA, but i am still boycotting the second lead in Cheese (i do not even want to remember his name)

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Unfortunately, boycotting the second lead in Cheese = not watching Jo Jin-woong's next drama. Why is life so unfair?

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This is the biggest dilemma. sigh

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"it was the fact that he was her biology teacher that creeped me out that I have to put this on hold."

Exactly. I didn't watch all the promos before starting Doctors, so I had no idea she'd be falling for her teacher, when I saw where they were going with the loveline, dropped it and never looked back.

"How do you guys cope when your favourite actor/actress who has been consistently delivering good performance, but wasn’t not popular enough, and suddenly they skyrocketed to fame?"

Though I do have a few of my favorite actors and actresses, I don't tend to pick/watch my dramas for them, I watch it for the story and the pairing, so their popularity don't affect me. But Park Bo-gum's rising fame is something I'm happy for, I didn't take much notice of him before until Moonlight came along, funny because I really loved him in I Remember You, then forgot all about him. He's someone I'm genuinely rooting for because based on what everyone says of him, he's a sweetheart and I wish all the best for him.

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What dramas will captivate me in the next six months?

About this time last year, Six Flying Dragons and AM1988 started the best six months of my kdrama watching. It continued through March of 2016 with CITT and Signal. For six months, I was privileged enough to watch four exceptional dramas (CITT ending excluded). It also helped that they are so different from each other. I'm sad that I may not see it happening again this year. What made it special was that long before they aired, I was so excited about the concept, the cast, and the production team behind them. And they did not disappoint.

This is opposite to what's about to come in the next six months. I do not see an ensemble drama next year that will captivate me the same way Six Flying Dragons did or will tug at my emotions as Answer Me 1988 did. I do not see a new drama next year from Misaeng/Signal PD, so that alone makes 2017 a letdown. Despite the ending of CITT, that drama was 100% crack for me during its first 12 episodes. What will I do in the next six months?

During its casting process, I was eagerly anticipating Hwarang: The Beginning, but then Scarlet Heart started airing. What a disappointment that was, so now I'm not sure if Hwarang will fare. Legend of the Blue Sea will be a hit for sure, but it will not bring anything new to dramaland. Saimdang will probably have enough depth and history close enough to SFD. But I am not excited about it. It doesn't have Yoo Ah In. Hehe!!

There are three tvN dramas in the next six months. I think Entourage will be a fun ensemble drama. But, it will not be available on legal sites. Thus, I will not be able to watch it. Goblin has a good cast, but the writer sucks even if it's on tvN. The only drama that do excite me is Tomorrow With You with Lee Je-Hoon and Shin Mi-nah. I trust the PD to bring humor and heart with this one. It will not bring anything new, but I expect the leads to amaze me along with this production team.

Overall, 1 out of 6 dramas I'm looking forward to.

Are you facing the same dilemmas as I do? Will we have a lackluster 2017 when 2016 brought us so many new favorites? Will there be critically acclaimed dramas I will see next year. Will there be dramas in the next six months worthy of Baeksang nominations the same way SFD, Signal, and AM1988 did? Or will one (or two) dramas actually surprised me? If so, I'm happy to be shocked and awed.

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@Gelai--My simple answer is YES, I face a similar dilemma as you... I watched all the dramas you mentioned, with two really great additions (e.g., Nirvana in Fire and Oh Hae Young Again), and now I'm on episode 6 of W: Two Worlds, and feeling the despair slowly materialise.

Not sure I'm looking forward to that many new upcoming shows. I will start Moonlight Drawn By Clouds after it finishes airing, and hope it'll be good.

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Sancheezy can attest to this as well, If you are looking for complicated plots and epic story, you will probably not enjoy the drama. If not, you will be amazed by the execution of the story. It is well made for a live shoot drama.

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Moonlight Drawn by Clouds is easy on the story, predictable but just like Gelai said ヽ(∀゜ )人( ゜∀)ノ,
the execution is the charm for me,
(=^ ◡ ^=)

I think Moonlight can make me enjoy the moment, it can be slow and too fluffy but I think 4 episode is a right bargain
- to see lots of Moon Shot in the background
- to admire the different types of hanbok
- to admire the cinematography

but what I really treasure is how they make the hero that's respectful and well-put show that can make you feel at ease and love the character,

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I really anticipating Hwarang,
reasons: I like the costume and I like Hwarang,
if the plot bad, I still gonna watched it,
I just like the idea of it, that we gonna make flower boys series saeguk version in an obvious way.

as for 2017,
I am really anticipating "tribes and empires storm of prophecy" and "Nirvana in Fire 2" in the term drama I would seriously watching,
Kdrama . . . I just try 4 episode for every that aired, probably the gem will find its way

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Is there a second Nirvana in Fire due to come out?!

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they said on 2017,
the story gonna be different and the cast also different,
it gonna tell about Prince Yu's son/grandson story...
kinda sad that I'm not gonna see Jingyan and Xiao Shu again...

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Im trying really bad to finish Nirvana in Fire, but have difficulty with it.

I saw the first 12 episodes months ago, but stopped because I'm having a difficult time catching up with the subtitles. And since the acting are not over the top because of setting and characters, it's difficult for me to understand them.

I tried to again this past weekend and rewatch 1 thru 12. Then got up to episode 14. But I'm stuck up to that point for now. I am still having the same problem.

But one day, I will finish so I can watch Tribes. I saw the trailer for Tribes. That thing looks awesome.

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right, (✯◡✯)
tribes has a very good trailer, better than nirvana in fire trailer,
I still have doubt but they said it's from a very good novel so I really hope it can be executed very well,

I can see how Nirvana in Fire feels not really intriguing, it has this calm attitude, little action and very unimpressive cliffhanger, but I think you can pick it up if you have become familiar with the language, ^^

I used to have trouble with Cantonese too, it sounds funny to me

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Are we talking about the new epic drama Jiuzhou starring Huang Xuan? That trailer is indeed jaw-dropping.. I could hardly believe that it comes from China, and apparently it is filmed largely in China too (with overseas shooting in Japan). Cinematography and visuality wise, Chinese dramas (not talking about Chinese films!) aren't exactly the best out of East-Asia. With the exception of Nirvana in Fire though. They usually have exceptional costumes and styling, beautiful scenery, set and art direction, but somehow, it doesn't get presented on our screens in the right way. Is it due to the filming equipment I wonder? But anyway, I can safely say that the cinematography and visuals in Huang Xuan's new drama stand head and shoulders above ANY ancient/period television drama I've seen from Asia so far (and I have seen quite a lot from HK, TW, CN, KR and JP). Yes, this is based on a 6 minute trailer. I'm just .. damn impressed.

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@Gelai--

Ahhh...the classic subtitle issue! I agree they can really disrupt your enjoyment of a show. NIF also takes the clever and subtle approach, wowing us with how much action can have originated from such apparent surface stillness. It's also reflective and philosophical, and the characters are so driven by their principles, taking INTEGRITY to another level. So...without the proper subtitles, I think many little nuances would just not be captured.

Maybe you should give up then, after all it is ~50 episodes!

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Am waiting for Hwarang: The Beginning too, though I do not fancy their poster at all. They looked...for lack of a better word, ugly.

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on a completely different note then anything ever on here...

This week I was reading drama and video game news in close succession and suddenly had the inspiration for a K-Drama Streetfighter-Style Videogame. Because you know all those fighting games always have these highly distinct characters with complicated backstories, just like main characters from dramas. And then my mind just went there. Imagine a roster composed of primarily title characters from dramas. You've got:

Healer
Great hand to hand combat and can do parkour up the side of the screen and get behind his opponent.

Yong-pal
Can heal himself and summon mob goons to fight you. Damage is not the highest but he can really shrug off the punishment.

Oh Hae-Young
Appears to be a gimmick character but actually devastating; you fight BOTH OHYs, and mean OHY has super high damage output and no defense, while nice OHY is super damage resistant but can barely do damage; by toggling between them, a skilled player can wipe the floor with most opponents

aaaand that's all I got. Still, I can just imagine 16-bit Street Fighter style Healer!

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I was reading Lee Jun-ki's wiki earlier today and I was surprised that he does so few movies, does anyone know why?

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I remember reading that he actually prefers dramas because he gets more into the character & story etc. Which is great for a drama-fan like me, but I do hope he gets more projects like Arang & Two Weeks in his future.

I also wish he would do some movies though because it might be easier to get a hit under his belt.

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In all my years of drama-watching, I've never tried to get a friend into a drama I was watching before. First off, none of friends are into anything different from American tv and entertainment so I never really thought they'd be interested.

Somehow, I became so trash for MLSHR that I ended up telling a friend the story, leaving names out and just calling the Princes by their numbers. Imagine my shock when she got so into it that she literally calls me to get me to pick up from where I left off. (She's literally trash for So and she can't Wook and Queen Shittymom, even though she's not watched a single episode. I wonder if I was biased in my storytelling ^_^) She's also making me set up a "play date" where she can watch the episodes with me.

I'm really excited to get her into Asian dramas on one hand. On the other hand, I know exactly what it does to people who get so obsessed with it. So I'm kind of hoping she ends up watching just this one drama and then going back to, you know, real life.

This whole thing makes me wonder how people got others to join them in their Asian drama obsession and how it affected those people

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I was actaully laughing while reading this comment! I actaully started my first about 10 months ago, cause I heard so many people talking about so I was like let me tackle this myself I'll be able to handle it...boy was I wrong. It takes over your life completely lol
When I was watching my third drama (Pinnochio) I literally talked about to all my friends and that's how I got one my close friends who is now a full time certified watcher lol addicted.

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RE: Jealousy Incarnate. It's not only the male lead for once, it's the drama itself which is tsundere. ?

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So true.

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Exactly. No one is dragging it down.

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I've been chanting one word at the screen for about 4 episodes and it is starting to look like they'll go there.

#Threesome

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That would be AWESOME!

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I thought that was where Chef and the mom's were going before he revealed his aesexuality. But now it's starting t look like they'll be in a nonsexual polyamorous relationship. I don't know about Na Ri, HS and JW though. There's some metaphorical ramen that bodes manogomy. Also a squid, and Na Ri settling into one job. The literary bits are saying Hwa Shin. Also, all of K drama ever.

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Hello all,
How's everyone doing?
I'm currently sitting in class and the professor does not explain! Anyone else have/had a professor who just expects you to be a born genuis?!
On a lighter note who's watching Moonlovers.. it's getting so intense. Haesoo's personality took a 360 degrees turn. She's become so mature and ladylike, jut like Lady oh. She really reminded me of Lady oh this episode. I found the scene where she threatened to hurt herself so hot! I mean she totally knew shes Wang sod weakness.
And can we take a moment to just appriciate lee joon gis acting. The scene where she kisses him, his expressions were priceless :O. I can't believe it's my first time watching his drama.
I was watching MDBC but it's getting really slow and abit boring to follow along. Maybe I just need a nice romance story and I feel like the MDBC are underage so you don't get the same kinda romance. It's more of a childish kinda crush. Anyways I'm on the 14 episode, so I'll probably try to catch up before the finale. :P

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omg im loving Haesoo's sudden change of personality! And your right that was soo hot, Wangso was like noooo dont hurt yourself! Btw this is the second time she scarred herself, guess she doesnt give a damn about having a scarred body lol

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Good morning, everyone! Not much going on this week, just papers, papers papers. I have three due today and another draft of one on Monday. Whoooee! It's super fun though, I've enjoyed writing them for the most part. And side note on the weather, I love that it's getting colder! I get to wear all of my scarves (I have a serious thing for scarves, lemme tell you).

In dramas:

The K2: As ridiculous as this drama is (and it is rather a mess), I keep coming back to watch it. Maybe it's the cats. I do like how they developed his backstory in... the middle eastern war torn country (does it have a name) though.

My Amazing Boyfriend: So... I do pretty well just loving this drama until the villain comes on screen stroking his cat (seriously) while wearing his shady cape that has yet to be explained. And laughing maniacally in his super deep "I'm-a-bad-guy" voice. This show knows no subtlety, and that works for it (more development between our OTP!) and against it (...yeah. Cat stroking while watching a black and white foreign film, sipping whine and wearing a hooded cape = this guy is sketchy.)

Splish Splash Love: I've finished my second Saeguk! Admittedly, there's not much historical accuracy in either Arang or this... baby steps. Any recommendations on what to watch next? (Moonlight, Six Flying Dragons and the Princess' Man are all on my list--any ideas which would be best?)

Woman With a Suitcase: What the what is up with that last proposition??? I haven't seen episode six yet, but I want more understanding why she suddenly wanted to sleep with the guy she's detested all series long. Thoughts?

I Remember You: Min is just as pitiful the second time around. My heart is just as conflicted. And this time I'm appreciating everyone else's acting a bit more too. Seo In Guk will never cease to amaze me with how different he can make his characters.

I still haven't had the courage to pick up Jealousy Incarnate again, I don't want my dreams to be crushed, and I know they will be. Jung Won never was the end-game. *sigh*

It's really interesting--I have a lot of dramas I'm enjoying right now, but no "crack" shows. How often does that happen to you guys? Do you keep searching until you find another crack show, or just wait until one comes around again?

Have a Happy Weekend!

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Suitcase- I think she wasn't in a proper frame of mind at all (her ex husband just emotionally blackmailed her if I remember right...) And she probably didn't want to be alone. I don't think she even realised what was coming out of her mouth. Sort of on autopilot... where you say stuff without the thoughts going through your brain.

I usually watch a show that is highly recommended to look for a new "crack" drama. But this time though i found my crack drama totally by accident- Love Through a millennium is so far (2 episodes in) really good! I even love the bad guy!

I'd say for your next Saeguk, wait for Moonlight to finish next week, see if any of us are gashing teeth/swearing/crying over the ending and then start it if it ends well XD

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I guess that makes sense, for WWAS. I'll have to re-watch the scene again, come to think of it I did wonder if she was misunderstanding why he'd taken her home and was being rather nice to her. Super interesting, I do feel bad for her with a punk husband like that.

The ending--that's exactly my hesitation about starting Moonlight before next week. I don't want to be gipped by the ending--but I believe in them! Your gif-caps are the best. :)

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Now you have me intrigued by Love Through a Millenium. I might try it....(again?)

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I actually was VERY confused at first by the starting scenes, but once I realised who everyone was and what was going on, I really enjoyed it, and even went back to rewatch the first part. So I'd say give it a chance- at least 2 episodes before you decide.

That being said I'm only on episode 3 so I have no idea if it goes off the rails later on!

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I can already sense a major battlefield coming up next week when moonlight ends here with Beanies and on soompi with the soompieans

I just hope my heart will not be broken.

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@Cozybooks You picked up I Remember You again? So cool. So will there be another awesome article on it in the works (remember me? I had invited u over to the IRY threads).

I haven't seen many saeguks but I really loved Sungkyunkwan Scandal and am currently enjoying Moonlight a lot (Plus Park Bo Gum).

Aren't you watching Shopping King Louie? Now this show is hilarious and adorable! I now want a puppy who I can call Louie (You won't believe that Louie was Lee Hyun or Jung Do in the past one year- Seo In Guk is just THAT good).

Jealousy is actually very funny. If you left it after the first 2 episodes, then try and pick it up again. The show really picked up pace and started making sense after that. It is hysterical- you might be expecting the most serious of scenes because of the storyline and instead all you will get is laughter!

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I totally remember you (haha puns) and may or may not stalk your comments. Sometimes. ^^ I haven't decided yet whether I want to write a whole new post for I Remember You or just add to the review I already have--tbd, depending on how many new insights I end up with. I might do a "favorite scenes" screencap sort of post and tie those into the philosophy. But there will be something in the works, promise. I'm glad you liked my review! ^^

As for for Jealousy Incarnate--I've watched all the way until last week's episodes. The one's where everything starts to fall apart for my Jung-Won ship and she kisses Hwa-Shin. I'm so sure. But yeah, it's hilarious!!

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Hahha I feel so honoured to be comment-stalked :P I love the idea of a "favourite scene screencap". I am definitely re- watching IRY in the coming two years. My SIG withdrawals are going to be serious once he leaves for army. I loved your writing style and look forward to reading more.

About the Jung- Won ship. And SPOILERS (from now on if you still want to continue watching the show and don't want to be spoiled)- but the ship is still surprisingly sailing. I was so angry at Na Ri for kissing Hwashin (though That kiss was hot) and my heart actually hurt thinking of Jung Won. I finally did pick up the next episode with a heavy heart. But, no. Trust Pyo Na Ri to be wonderfully weird (she is like the Pheobe Buffay of kdrama worls) and trust the two guys to be still stupidly in love.

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you... haven t rewatched it yet? IRY?

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@redfox Should have said re-re- watched :P I have seen it twice. Couldn't have continued the conversations on IRY ep 16 thread if I wasn't well versed in the show! The comments were well researched and oh so amazing!

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My ship is still alive?! I am astounded! I will catch up immediately. Oh dear, my heart might still break. I don't want to change ships though!

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Hi. I believe it is the war in Iraq,

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Happy Friday!

Can we just take a moment and appreciate the awesomeness that is Jealousy Incarnate!? It's not a perfect show by any means but oh my god, it's HILARIOUS!!! JJS..I bow down to you.

I finished a bunch of stuff this week...Go's Starry Night which was okay, I wasn't blown away but it was a nice and light watch. Also watched A Girl and Three Sweethearts which I quite enjoyed. I've never seen Kento in anything but my goodness, he's beautiful!

I'm re-watching 9 end 2 outs and I forgot Yoona plays a minor role...it's interesting seeing someone go from their first role 10 years ago to leading. I love this drama though...Su Ae does comedy so well.

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@Kay i am sooo happy with JI that i almost comment on anyone that comments about its awesomeness.....EP15 takes the cake. Best episode ever.

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Episode 15 was AWESOMESAUCE!!

I want ALL the behind-the-scenes for this drama..like every single minute….because I don't get how they're not on the floor dying of laughter…the lines are ridiculous, the situations are completely crazy but everything is so believable!

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OH. This is the perfect way to spend time until I get my hands on episode 17. I need to find whatever BTS they've released so far + lie in wait for this week's.

Seriously, what has this show done to me?

Like, I completely understand the obsessions with the Moon series because I experience that to an extent also, but this drama has completely taken over my mind with its wackiness. Honestly, I find it even crazier than Shopping King Louis sometimes and we all know how off-the-wall that show is. I think it's because JI tricks you into thinking it's going to take itself seriously and then it just doesn't and you end up in uncontrollable fits of laughter. EVERY. TIME.

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The best part of JI is that the actors/actresses deliver their lines so believably! Even the most absurd conversations seem natural and plausible to my confused brain. I mean the wives sharing a bed now, their suitor, Kim Rak driving the former arch enemies to each other - did you notice he wants to be with two women while borh of Na Ri's suitors, Hwa Shin and Jung Woo want to be with her. Together.)

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@Owl i agree. I think that's one concept of this drama. For the main person loving them both.

Chef with the two women,

Na Ri with the guys

Pal Gang with the boys

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I love how the two older women are like besties now after becoming a unit to avoid Chef…lol they're so funny.

Seems like writer/PD nim has taken the audiences woes and given less of Ppal Gang because we haven't had much of her and the boys in the past few episodes. I do like the two boys though, they're both very cute in their puppy love for Ppal Gang.

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Hi everyone. I'm quite new here. I use this username as it's the same on my instagram. Previously I was known as KdramaWatcher here. I'm only into watching kdrama in the last 3 years or so so I'm still not that familiar with many korean artistes. My fav is SIG. Right now I'm watching Shopping King Louie and Jealousy Incarnate. Actually intending to drop the latter show but the light humor kept me on again. Was actually chasing after Love in the Moonlight but I can't stand sadness now so I dropped it recently too :( I'm just done with watching Squad38 cos of SIG ! :p

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Welcome! I love Seo In-guk and I'm a shopaholic, but I don't know why I just can't pick up Shopping King Louie. How can I not watch something that has Seo In-guk and the word shopping?! Aww, I'm sad that you dropped Moonlight. I hope you get to finish it later because next week is the finale week, I'm hoping we get somewhere good with the ending, if not I'll let you know so you won't have to watch the ending in rage. *cries*

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Thank you ! I like SIG and I love Shopping King Louie although it is just another "typical rich heir with amnesia meets poor gal" plot. It is so cute with SIG. Even the rest of the cast are funny n lighthearted to watch too ! They make the seriousness of the evil plot went away n you could only kinda concentrate on the adorableness!

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https://youtu.be/vKDsAB1ccn0
https://youtu.be/2N6Qqrw3DQU
Just a few of my favourite songs. I love the music and the voice..lyrics are also good.

This one for the lyrics-
https://youtu.be/faA4LQlFkeQ
https://youtu.be/s1yQuCf0uOY
https://youtu.be/_XqHCGy20k8

Hope you like them!?

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Anyone..please post your favourite songs if possible..language not a problem. I'd love to hear music from different countries.

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Aiyoo my comment is under moderation whatever that means...ok basically I'd posted some of my favourite songs.
Music:
*Aayat (Bajirao Mastani)
*Laal ishq (Ram Leela)

Lyrics:
*Atrangi yaari
*Yeh jo desh hai tera (swades)
*Tum se hi (jab we met)

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Happy Friday everyone! I was watching most of the currently airing popular Kdramas, but then I got so taken in by Moonlight Drawn by the Clouds, I couldn't concentrate on anything else. It's like this warm, homemade dish that isn't too fancy, but your mom always makes it deliciously despite the simple ingredients (somewhat like Ratatouille?)

I had to stop watching currently airing shows- because I couldn't do justice as a viewer, I started comparing everything to MDBC. I can't wait for this week to come so that my life goes back to normal, and my brain stops making up Fanfiction stories for our CP and RaOn (and maybe some CP/ByungYeon/YoonSung too :P :P- them boys are such dishy bishies).

I'm also following Scarlet Heart Ryeo, because LJK is the bomb, and KHN+ the evil trio (Bitch Queen, Yo & Bitch Princess) always deliver. I'm also glad for the So/Soo ship- I thought it would be a push&pull type of relationship, but then they went and made it cuter than Wook/Soo, so I'm terribly happy- making our gruff wolf dog seem like Soo's personal teddy bear. :D

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I like the way you described Moonlight, no wonder why I'm so taken by it too, I love homemade dish, especially my mom's cooking, comfort food. I need Moonlight to end as well, my days haven't been as productive since I picked up this show, I can't think of anything else but Moonlight, it's like having a new bf that you can't stop thinking and gush about. Sad I couldn't get people around me watch it because no one likes sageuk! FML. So I had to come on DB and spazz with other fans, lol. I'm sad to watch Moonlight goes, but I guess all good things must come to an end, and my Park Bo-gum needs some rest too, he's been looking a little too tired lately.

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Haha, exactly! It's warm, comfort food. :D Glad to find we have similar thoughts. I am similarly unproductive, replaying all my favourite OTP scenes. :) I am so glad I picked this series up- mainly for KYJ plus gender-benders, which I like.

Aww, sad that they don't like sageuk- this cute pairing would have seriously won their hearts. I thought the leads in Sungkyungwan Scandal were the cutest in sageuk- turns out I was wrong (but Gu Yong Ha though, he is still the cutest sageuk dandy). :D

I'm guessing all the MDBC casts are worn out- not only do they have to film, but in those heavy, silk robes must be taxing. The amount of pain/tears that PBG has had to put on his face in the last 2-3 weeks must be taking a toll. I just saw the BTS clip of the knife/bracelet cutting scene, where both KYJ & PBG started crying harder even after the director yelled 'cut'. It must be incredibly exhausting mentally, to emote and to cry at will- they've realistically sunk into their roles.

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Yeah, I know! They couldn't stop the tears even after it ended, they must have been so immersed in the moment. I guess that's why Moonlight is so endearing, the casts are playing their roles with utmost sincerity and it translates on screen, I hate that scene but I really love it when they both stared at each other with tears in their eyes, no words are needed. I'm going to remember this OTP for a long long time.

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Confession: I have no idea how to italicise or bold text in comments. Now that I'm commenting more because I've become a rabid Scarlet Heart fangirl, it's actually bothering me. Please will someone educate me.

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Remove the spaces and you've got your code!

To italicise: your text here

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Waaaargh totally didn't work. Lemme try again... Replace the [ ]s with s

Bold: [b]your text here[/b]
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Replace the []s with !!!

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Ok one more time: just replace the []s with the pointy versions of them

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@kumoiwa

ahh Thankyou so much! You have put me out of my misery!

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@Ren: Yay!! So glad everything worked out for you in the end haha

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Mary gave me tips a few OTs ago, but it didn't work for me, so...Mary pls help out again!

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hai

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<b>writing</b>

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forget to add,
just typed exactly like my comment ^^
b = bold
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blockquote = making a quote, the yellow bar appear
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nice that it helps ^^

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Yay, I finally did it! *dance in the moonlight*

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With the right browser you can cheat to see what how they do it, although it might not be super easy to decode:
In chrome on a PC
1: highlight the bit that was bold or italic
2: right click
3: click "inspect"
Then look at the highlighted line on the window that open to the right.

Then it looks like
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Replace the "i" with "b" for bold

or (sqeeze out the spaces below)
bold stuff to have "boldstuff" in bold

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Whoops, looks like spaces don't break the code, lets try +
Squeeze out all the "+" below

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Darn, it keeps changing what I type. I give up.

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Oh my gosh, this thread is hilarious. If mary reads it I'm guessing there will be some laughing as well as face-palming.

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Dramabeans, making coding seem fun ???

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Any coders in the audience? *raises hand*

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this is like a discussion of super-lonely bots. It looks like coding, true, but they might be saying "I luv you!" or "What´s for dinner?"

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I've recently started watching Sassy go go. After moon lovers, I've become fans of most of the actors in it (yes even baekhyun! I think he's doing fine as Eun and I dont get the hate). Anyway, I started sassy go go because I wanted to see more of Ji Soo, but ended up liking Lee Won-geun so damn much. Those eyes! Those crinkles! I also watched a bit of celeb bros and I'm glad ji soo, N and him became close. Is Lee Won-geun in any other good projects? I know he's in The Good Wife but idk how big his role is.

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Ooh, Lee Won Geun and his smile. I don't think he has been in great dramas other than The Good Wife and Sassy Go Go.

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Hi all:

Hope all is well. It's been week after week of drama around here. Finally, it'll all culminate in the great womb removal. So, those of you who pray, I would super-appreciate it if you sent up a word of prayer for me. The operation is on Tuesday. I'll be in the hospital for a few days. Alas, apparently thieves abound in hospitals. I've been told by folks who should know that patients have had stuff stolen. So I can't bring my laptop or my trusty kindle. So I guess i'll pack up a book or two and catch up on my reading. Unless there's a book thief roaming the women's floor. Maybe i'll be able to see Westworld on hospital TV

Dramas:

Still watching Scarlet Heart -- I'm still vaguely interested but that heroine is ...aaargh. I guess I'll chock it up to her youth and to the flaky writing. The writer doesn't seem to have anything for her to do except to be a Mary Sue and having everything and everyone in Goryeo history depend on her. This is one wishy-washy unthought-out heroine.

Moonlight -- Kinda meh about it right now. It jut feels beautiful but predictable.

Flower in Prison -- I'm kinda getting bored with this. The only thing that is making me hold on is the promise of destruction for Jung Nan Jung

1% of Something and Shopping Louie -- I know..i know..stupid to avoid shows because of the chaebol inheritance thing. Tae Ha does seem like a nice go, though.

Our Gab Soon-- The balance between love and common sense continues. Nothing worse than loving and marrying the wrong person, esp if the one you love is inept, selfish and immature. But is that worse than marrying a better person whom you don't love? So far, only Doc and his colleague seem like an OTP. When do you stop forcing yourself to endure, or to love? When do you consciously stop a deep but useless destructive love?

Fantastic-- I FF through the primary OTP, am now anticipating extreme cruelty from our villainess.

K2-- Loving it. Cause the villainess is super-intriguing and the way she looks at K2 drips mature sexuality mixed with a kind of despairing need.

Suitcase Woman-- My absolute favorite currently. Solid, well-written, a great heroine. Not liking this Alphiest of Alpha males and am rooting for second lead.

That's about it. Have a great weekend, all!

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Wish you all the best! A successful surgery and speedy recovery!

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Hope your surgery goes well! And I hope you'll get better soon :)

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will audio book help??
my friends said it helps them listen to a story while looking at the window or magazine,

I hope you a successful surgery ^^

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May your surgeon be deft and careful, your anaesthetist keep you as pain free as possible, and the nurses kind and helpful to you. Praying for a smooth surgery and speedy recovery. All the best! <3

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Thank you all! I receive your best wishes. @Sancheezy, I'm not sure about the audiobook. Whatever i play the audiobook on might be stolen, right?

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I think there's streaming app for audio book,
I forget what it called but it's legal and free for 30 days as I remember,,,
I never subscribe on that, but I sometimes I record my own voice on story I like, for fun in flight,

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Carole -

Oh my goodness! Sending you all the best wishes for a successful surgery outcome and a speedy recovery.

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Wishing you a smooth surgery, speedy recovery. Take care of yourself and best of luck!

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Wisheing you all the best. May your surgery go well without any hitches. We waiting for you here at beanyland.

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*Wishing

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Best of luck with your surgery! Speedy recovery too <3.

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Aw, take care, Carole, wishing you a speedy recovery. Reading and hopefully resting sound like a goo plan. Fighting \ /

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