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Healer episode 13 preview is out. youtube.com/watch?v=boRg7F4HEGc
1.So , it looks like she does find him and takes him to the Hospital ( not his hideout like some of us hoped :D)
2. She seems to be teasing him and wants him to confess on his own :D. She says she's very angry (??) my limited understanding of Korean makes me feel crippled.
4.Looks like myung hee is asking all the right questions.
It's just a teaser, not sure if these can be called spoilers. Unless we can't discuss teasers but I don't remember the rules about them. In the threads people usually talk about the teasers all the time.
Ah - I'm so sorry, I apologize for not tagging this post properly. I feel a bit crazy these days. Some of us haven't watched the most recent episodes - this thought never crossed my mind.
Thanks! I love it. :) I KNEW that little paper star from the booth was bound to show up again, in his pocket or falling from his pack or something, I was waiting for this scene heheheh. :)
shall we suggest they use something from Ed Sheeran. mmm... he is one that don't sell looks, yet can shudder hearts by his voice, boy can he writes too... if you have Sheeran at background as junghoo yearned for youngshin.. its simply breathtaking.
It was episode 7, I think or 8. She walked back home after the elevator accident and was hoping Healer would come meet her. She then calls Bong sookie to talk and while speaking to him on the phone, she makes a paper star. She knows Healer is around watching over her ^^ so if she finds the star with Bong soo, she knows he has to be the healer.
*SPOILERS IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH THE PREVIEW*
I think CYS figured out that he is healer (not in the beginning of the episode, but later) but wants him to admit it first. So she says that she'll wait, but is really angry.
And Moon Ho & Jung Hoo will work together again :D
How angry do you think she will be? ? he did say while conversing with ahjumma that she'd beat him up but get over it quickly. I find it amusing that she's using the almost handhold as a signal for him to confess. Ah, the feels.
Hmm.. I think.. she might not be that mad about him having lied to her in the beginning, but rather about the fact that he's still lying to her. She thought she became closer to Healer & Bong Soo, but he's still lying to her. Even though she knows and he knows that she knows..
So do you think he knows she knows? I hope not, because I liked the "her knowing but not him knowing that she knows"(do you follow lol) theory the best. :D
So I guess the Healer addiction is REAL! I mean… I even dreamt about Healer (so Ji Chang Wook basically) last night – with a dash of Kill Me Heal Me which was kinda funny :D
As for the drama Healer… My feels… I can’t deal with them but what else is new^^ This week was great and as much as I hated the cliff hanger I loved it as well. It always raises the stakes when the hero gets injured and how much did I love that Ahjumma called Young Shin?! And then there are those hand holding scenes, the hug, the food preparing/eating… Who needs kisses or more when scenes like those already drive me crazy?! *fans self*
Preview for ep 13 nearly killed me again today and Monday needs to come FAST.
Oh and all the BTS videos are hilarious! They seem to have a lot of fun.
Kill Me Heal Me: I actually like this quite a lot. It’s pretty silly but Ji Sung is doing a great hob with the different personalities so far and I’m looking forward do the next eps ;)
Pinocchio: Aww I’m gonna miss them! It was a nice final week with lots of great moments but grandpa… *sigh* Of course he would make me cry one last time^^
Heart To Heart: I liked the first two episodes but it has such a different feeling than I expected. Which isn’t bad I was just surprised I guess.
I enjoyed the first 2 eps of Family Is Coming and really want to watch that one but subbing is SO SLOW T_T As it is with Dr. Frost + Perseverance Goo Hae Ra. I have no idea what’s going on at viki bc except for Pinocchio no other drama has been subbed particularly fast (Healer was a first this week with that fast subs and I can’t speak for other Mon-Tue dramas bc I’m not watching them). I really hope that some of the Pinocchio subbers go to other dramas bc otherwise I’m THIS close to dropping the one’s with slow subs.
Running Man… Lee Seo Jin was so hilariously grumpy it was awesome :D I enjoyed the Kwang Soo + Jong Kook couple so much and it showed that they’re really close off camera!
1N2D continues to be great this season and the past few episodes had THE highlight! Yu PD getting to taste fish sauce xD It was priceless^^
Hi healer addict * wave *
I heard some one say once that Dreaming about some thing means you thought a lot about it that day.
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I saw shin sung rok in my dream once while watching yfas. Ugh so creepy.
in Hyun Min´s tone (KoD): JESUS! Shin Sung Rok in villain mode is a scary thing to dream of. although when he was in my dream, we ...bonded. I dunno. there is a monster living inside me i guess. theme of the year
Oh man yes, the Viki subs are killing me!!!! I mean I really appreciate the subbers because they do it all for free but I also agree that it making want to drop (or not start) certain shows.
I thought Lee Seo Jin was most funny in RM but there were moments went I felt bad that others had to pick up his slack. I enjoyed the Kwang Soo/Jong Kook dynamics more. I really enjoy the core group of the show.
It sucks so much though for a few shows that just have license for Europe and QCs it's more understandable bc that means not as many Eng-Kor subbers to begin with... But the others? The teams are so small :( I really hope that Pinocchio subbers join other teams now that the show is over!
I won't ever complain about subbers bc I know how much work it is especially now since I'm subbing myself again (German subs for Family Is Coming).
They did a good job though especially Jae Suk but what else is new^^
I really hope they're doing a cast only ep soon again bc those are still the best!
Not sure if this is pertinent to your comment zakin89, but for people outside an area where shows are available you might want to try the browser plugin Hola.
Props to you for doing subs! I think I'm more frustrated by shows like Frost where the subs were goignalong at a certain pace and then....not so much. But it seems like some shows have picked up. Persevere GHR is at 100% for ep1 now and not that far behind for ep2 so maybe my grumpiness will wear off.
Jae Suk really works his butt off. It actually took be a while to warm up to him when I first started the show, but now I absolutely understand and agree with why he's the main MC.
I wanted to make this purely an „Ahjumma actress appreciation thread“, but many things have happened and I need to rant a little. But I´ll at least start as intended.
I think it is unfair how most swoons, praise and admiration goes to men in their 20-ies and 30-ies, not that they wouldn´t have deserved that praise, mostly they do, but there are so many fantastic actresses (let´s not say ahjummas, let´s just say „40+“) who are soooo great, but are hardly ever paid attention to by drama fandom. Woman + over a certain age, I am more and more bugged how, first of all, their sometimes brilliant performances are overlooked because of the young male star, and second, they get type-casted. They deserve more recognition I think. Just to name a few:
Park Joon-geum from Secret Garden, King of dramas, Heirs, Rooftop prince and many more. Emotionally draining job to play it. She is actually quite cute. And has great funny faces. A lot of people seem to mix up the character and the actress, they can´t get past that she has played scheming chaebols. I bet she is actually a real hoot. They just need to give a woman clothes more worthy of a woman, sometimes she is ridiculously dressed in dramas.
Kim Mi-Kyung. Zettai Kareshi ahjumma version much? Did she arrive at the door of the studio in plastic wrap with a choice of 280 programs on the secret menu on her back? Such a range. Such diversity of roles. She just devours roles like an Ahjumma Packman: om nom nom nom…. STILL HUNGRY! Such enthusiasm. No really, I think she is a robot or an undercover superhuman.
Kim Hae-Sook – seriously fantastic in good roles and bad. Dare I say but in Pinocchio she is almost surpassing Bad Daddy for me…or well, maybe on par. Or… ok, I am not brave enough to push Bad Daddy off the pjedestal just yet. Goodness knows what he´ll do to me. Imagine Mommy meeting Bad Daddy, in the same frame, the chills! Can we get these actors together in a drama? But she was so nice in I hear your voice and it is weird….maybe Awesome Mom came back from the dead as an evil one….but wasn´t she against revenge? Well, if you beome a zombie promises kinda fade…. Anyway, a long long list of work, and I intent to watch some just because of her. And in Marriage, not dating, she was yet another type of mom, but so great in it. Kim Hae Sook, you rock!
Mom from Valid Love, Lee Young-Ran, has a difficult joba head. Her character is getting dementia. That is so sad. Man, if I think of my own family, i would not want to deal with that. It is so heartbreaking, it is like your batteries are half-empty so you are just 80 % functional or something. But instead of tragic, she plays it out with cheerfulness, like Mom doesnt even realize anything is wrong and thinks everyone else is acting silly, and that makes it pretty chilling. OMG poor mom, seriously.
Na Young-hee a.k.a. Song Yi´s mom. Wow, such a long list of roles! At first I didnt like that role, or the actress, but she sort of reminds me...
Ok, I did well, right? I protected women rights and stuff, and fought against age discrimination. Now can I go back to praising the hot male actors? Huh?
I am watching Kill Me, Heal Me. While most of you find your thrill in Healer, the latter has not been convincing enough for me. It doesnt really pull me in. Perhaps I am a person of More Fantasy, a goofy type, living in a different realm or something… Then again, I like the realistic style of Valid Love – I couldn´t put my finger on it before, but it sort of feels like Shut Up. Now I understand why I love the athmosphere in that drama…Kill Me, Heal Me on the other hand, might be a little silly, unbelievable, but I believe it, because MY world is more like that, than that of Healer. Comprende? Ok, last episode of Healer was pretty good, but … lets say, I was hanging on more to every second of City Hunter back in the day, I was more on the edge. Just a little bit …. Maybe it is because Moon Shik will never be as breathtakingly merciless as Bad Daddy. Good villains make the show. The evil side here is…so robotic and the story is moving so slowly. I am really sorry, healibers, but this is no reason to call me a hater or anything. Even fangirls gotta accept difference of opinions, and I´ll accept you going gaga and move on. No need for y´all to get defensive at all, I will leave you your crack.
Anyway, back to Kill Me, Heal Me - I think Ji Sung is doing a great job and what I like most is, he is an actor who knows how to use the setting, the props, everything in the vicinity. I also rewatched some ep of PTB to confirm this hunch, and so true. Some actors just stand and talk, but he knows how to play around with stuff around him. Twirl them around, jump on them, crawl, kick whatever. He can make anything into a „screen partner“. In KMHM it is the mirror and reflecting surfaces I guess. Car mirror, bathroom mirror, window etc. He knows how to use the set and respond to other actors. I am reminded of my own acting classes (yes, we had some for work as museum guides). I like it when the actor is not just a talking head, but acts with his whole body.
And I also like the Bruce Wayne-Alfred click with the secretary. Generally, I get Batman vibes, and Batman is like my favorite „human hero“. < wrote this before they actually MENTIONED Batman on the show, hah. Do Hyuns alter egos dont have any superpowers, they just have different skills. It is more like survival skills and resourcefulness, no special training, no teacher but yourself. learning to cope all on your own. I wonder if drama writers read my post here a year ago how I want more superhero-like characters in kdramas or kdrama versions of Superman and stuff. I think this split personality makes a much more interesting vigilante, it is part involuntary and unpersonal, then he makes up his mind and turns from this „non-person“ into a real hero himself. That´s really cool. But I find it hilatrious and totally random Segi means...
got cut: But I find it hilatrious and totally random Segi means „completely nuts“ in my language. So Shin Se Gi SOUND to me like someone is saying „Crazy here“ or „Crazy calling!“
hi Redfox,
i was here watching this speed train called Healer and wondering if i was the only one not on board!
i do like it as any other drama, but i'm not into the whole thing.
last episode i couldn't finish it just ended up reading the recaps.... it feels good to know i'm not the only one :) without offense ofc to the fans.
kill me heal me i can't wait for new episodes. i do like different dramas and i don't really know where this one is going which is good.. it has me wondering ..
And jumping back to the beginning: I wish to see more 40+ actresses getting work they deserve for their skills, playing a MAIN character who stands on her own, is not just a „mom“, also not a love interest, also not the evil machinator ora n adulteress, but something else. Cause they are seriously awesome! Maybe a female musician, artist, writer, something like that. And it would be great to know what Hacker-Ahjumma does on her time off…. Bet it is something outrageously hilarious. Masybe flying over the city like Batman…
About Geun-Seokie: so sad and frustrated, and worried. As I am also a teacher, I never break one rule: don´t pick on the weird kids. Never. You need to understand and support them. What great wrong did he do, huh? It is all just cause he is so different. I will not tolerate it. It is just bullying. Discrimination. They singled him out like that. My own personality was nearly destroyed because of something analogical – she is different, she is weird, so lets just get rid of her, who cares how she feels, who cares about the background and the truth (Pinocchio deja vu much?). It was really really a tough and dark time. I don´t want the samet hing to happen here. They are going totally over the top – even given he denied or lied or whatever, well maybe he did it cause he knew he´d get a public beating like this regardless of what he does? Just say sorry, sincerely, isn´t that enough? and I am so disappointed none of the Three Meals participants of staff have even said sorry or anything. Like they can kick him out and not look back, not feel any remorse. No matter what problems this guy has, he hasn´t deserved to be treated this way. They are mocking and humiliating him, even if hei s not perfect, even if they don´t like him, do they have to be so vicious and uncaring? I hope he won´t give up and makes a comeback, even if it is hard. I am nobody famous, but I went through something very similar, and that´s why I can´t help but feel awful, sorry and worried.
To cheer you all up after this, Estonian Music Awards concert: http://www.tv3play.ee/sisu/eesti-muusikaauhinnad/535337?autostart=true
Not that you understand much - don´t worry, I don´t understand anything either cause they speak such crappy estonian, the younger generation is bringing the level down blaa blaa blaa whining, but there are some cool performances and you know, most of them are just cute. See any flower boys there? I bet. Karl-Erik Taukar (in checkered blue suit, performing about 44 min in) caught your eye (while kissing on-screen). And HIS STRUT! Ooh la la. I can explain later what is going on if you are interested. The ones with blond curly hair are Curly Strings (performing at 1:30) whose songs I mentioned two weeks ago on OT. They won 4 awards. If you saw one of them on the stage 6 times thats no wonder. That´s Jalmar Vabarna, who has 8 bands…. They call most awards ceremonies Vabarnafest because of that. The hosts are Ines (ESC 2000) and Ott Lepland. Ewert and the Two Dragons (perorming at 58 min in) just released their third album and they are back after touring 4 years in the U.S. National Mens´Choir RAM where my dad sings also won for classical album of the year.
And also, Tangerines was nominated for an Oscar, first time in history, Estonian movie, wooohheeeee!
So I have 2 positive things to keep my mind off everything worrysome. No, 3 actually – one of the words I invented was among the winners of word competition. Remember? Yay! And the tapestry is finished too. Life is going ok, and I am not just living for the great moments. If you only wait for the winning times you will be unsatisfied 99% of your time. Be happy.
saw on the news there was a totally kdrama incident on this ceremony or before it. some guy tripped with a glass of water and splashed it on the dress of a girl. accidentally, they didnt know each other. the girls companion asked the guy to step outside and punched him so hard he had a bloody nose. but - now it really gets hilarious - the guys MOTHER was there. she started yelling at the hitter and wanted to call police, and had such outburst of rage they called ambulance FOR THE MOM. bahahaa makjang
yeah you bet. as soon as I even just heard "got splashed with water" all those scenes ran through my head. had I been there I would have laughed so hard that their anger could have turned towards me instead
Redfox - I love your thought to highlight the talented females. If I had the skills, I'd make a few DB banners of the supporting and often scene stealing actors, both male and female. I don't know about the rest of you, but when are part of the cast and come onscreen, it always makes me smile.
*a deleted part about a certain tvN variety/reality show* and I wish all my comments about this show were removed from Dramabeans as a protest. I have nothing to say. It doesnt exist.
Kim Hae-Sook is so awesome!! The range she has and the way she portrajs and make her characters. Love her, even when she does scary things like pinochio mum..
Same with.. Oh i cannot remember her name but everyone's grandmother *consults google fu* Kim Young Ok! She also seems like she has a lot of fun doing different roles.
yeah, plus I kinda noticed she looks a bit like that asian lady from grey´s Anatomy or whats it called - I never watched that but saw a clip and thought, hmm, lookalikes.
still watching Valid love, seems like it is getting back on the track of cute. Still very deep and serious. everyones´role is kind of a challenge to play and they are all doing it so well. What I am not satisfied with: more Unni scenes and less sulking.
still don´t know what this "Hol" or whol word is that pig Strawberry uses in VL (I also heard Oh Ri Jin using it in ep 4 of KMHM) Like "wow" or "omg" I understand, but how does it transcribe? where does it come from?
Heol ( 헐 ) I'll try to explain it as I understand it.
It's a slang used when you are at a loss for words (with tones of disbelief, embarrassment at a cringe-worthy situation)
She may be A psychiatrist but at this point, she is still not HIS psychiatrist. Their relationship is personal level, so using slang in front of him may not be overly out of line.
She and Se Gi have already lowered their speech with each other - at least they did at the club. I'd have to watch the hospital scenes with them again to see if she started adding the yo's again.
It felt to me in episode 4 that she had no intentions of being his psychiatrist, rather was offering friendship - which was rejected.
I think the main reason why she'll become his doctor is because people already think they are dating which will act as her cover. More importantly, she is the only one Se Gi will listen to.
I love the scene in the previews where Cha do Hyun holds up a picture of Han Chae Yeon and threatens Se Gi "If you mess with my woman, I'll mess with yours!"
I agree , and I often lament that more 30/40+ actresses are not lauded as they should be. It's sad that what I see happening a lot is that actresses get married in their late 20s/30s, then disappear to maybe make a comeback later b/c there are so few roles available after a certain age. It's either young and attractive or a mother. We've been getting a few 30 something dramas here and there but not enough.
My absolutely favorite actress actress (as in I like her purely for her awesome talent) is Lee Mi-sook.
I just love love love her b/c she really just shines in all of her roles. She can take a character that I usually would loathe and want to fast-forward through and make me love to hate her. Dramaland is full of those wretched conniving mothers and I just roll my eyes and deal with it. However, whenever Lee Mi-sook plays THAT mother I always watch and she never disappoints.
I too have felt like she (and some others) don't get the recognition they deserve b/c they're "not young" anymore.
Yup! It'd be cool if there was like a biopic or if she played a version of herself at some point. I was googling her because I noticed a conspicuous trend that she and Kim Gap-soo are often paired as lovers and was trying to see how many times and got distracted by an article about her in a scandal with a much younger man. I don't remember why it was an issue but I was a little impressed. Anyway it'd make a good drama: Actress and her love triangle with frequent co-star and hot younger man. A tale of ambition perhaps? Like a better version of Miss Ripley.
When I was reading up on her, I did see something about her and a younger man in 06. She divorced in 07 after 20 yrs of marriage so I wondered (1) if the rumor was true and (2) if it was the reason behind the divorce. I didn't want to read more into it b/c the rumor was from her former agency who was suing her so it could have just been them trying to smear her name. Idk but if ever there was a believable May-December romance, LMS would definitely be able to pull it off. She is something fierce.
I wouldn't mind being like her when I grow up either. Did you see her 90s makeup in Miss Korea? Even that throwback look didn't diminish her shine! Blog post idea alert! I may have to do an ode to LMS soon!
Ah yeah I read about the suing too. Figured it was slander also. Still, good subplot for the drama! Go forth and post! I think I have one brewing myself.
This is interesting discussion about ajumma actresses. I was just reading in a magazine (before i opened my computer to read OT), how Reese Witherspoon had the same thoughts about there not having good roles for women over 30. So, she just bankrolled 'Wild'. Hollywood thinks she is going to be a successful producer. So possibly, scripts with good roles for women can be crowd-funded now. Any screenplay writers among DB regulars?
All the ajhummas you mentioned, I love. Park Joon-geum was on one episode of happy together with Choi Jin-hyuk and she was really funny when she got to speak. And she even admitted to squeeing when she heard Choi Jin-hyuk's voice over the phone for the first time, I guess you're never too old to fangirl over Choi Jin-hyuk hahaha.
I love every one of Kim Hae-sook's roles I've seen. She's such a beautiful and versatile actress.
Kim Mi-kyung is also amazing, I agree about her being ajhumma pac-man when it comes to acting, and she's funny too. Not to mention smoking hot. I love her.
I've kind of developed a little crush on the actor that plays Kim Moon-shik in Healer. He's so handsome and suave, and talented too.
Ha! I forgot to mention the lady who played Park Min-sook in A Gentleman's Dignity, she was my favourite character in that drama, so fierce and such a boss. Does she count as an ajhumma?
Yes! That episode with Park Joon Geum and Choi Jin Hyuk! Everybody was fangirling over him lol. I loved it. She was great but I wish they'd given her more screen time.
Yay for Ahjumma love!! I think they're definitely the most overlooked in the acting world (not just a kdrama issue but acting everywhere). I do think a lot if it is the roles that are being written. Even the ahjussis get meatier roles. But they're really talented and are often so vibrant when given oy a few lines. I am a bit tired if the evil rich mom trope though...although it provides more challenges than just 'good mom' role.
I think in general the women are written as side pieces to the guys. So once those women reach a certain age they're mostly just moms because, again, their value is just the link to the guys. Ooooh I'm so cynical today.
exactly! so I want some really thrilling roles for women 40+ cause...well Kim Mi-Kyung manages to get slightly different roles. How? She must have a good nose. Or maybe the Healer helps her?
I worte above what I want. Older women are still individuals who have their own dreams and goals in life. they are not just Moms or cancer patients. They are not just mens´ sidekicks. would it cause an outrage in Korea to shake up that patriarchic system? give them, you know, a LIFE?
Sometimes I think Kim Mi-Kyung is the Meryl Streep of kdramas. One whiff of an ahjumma roles with some tpe of depth and she gets called. And she rocks it too.
I'm OK with female moms since there are many many women who are homemakers. But write them with depth! These roles are clearly not written by moms because it's like they have nothing going on inside their minds. *sigh*
Ha, I love the different topics you write about each week ☺. And you're right, without the ahjummas or let's call them 40+ ladies, dramas wouldn't be fun. Like Kim mi kyung in healer, she's hilarious. I loved her character in plus nine boys too. ( you did watch it, right ?) I love that she swears a lot , in this series. Your list includes many awesome ahjummas, I just want e to add a few more.
1. There's the awesome mom from Reply 1997( and 1994) : she cooks a lot, to her being hungry is a crime ?
2. I loved Kim yoo mi's character in 'Heartless city'. I wish I grow up to be like her haha.
Thanks for this appreciation post, redfox. Can't wait for whatever you write about next week.
Kim Mi-Kyung - Court Lady Choi (Faith) was my first kdrama female +age love- fighting! And her role as a instructor and former rock band drummer in What's Up? - the best. Now as Healer computer hacker/conscience/advisor/director/protector/boss I love her.
Kim Mi-Kyung - I first saw her in the family drama Pure Nineteen, she was already an ahjumma in it then.
But the first drama I fully remembered her in was Daemang, where she was the loyal maidservant to Lee Yo Won the yangban's daughter. Their relationship was so sweet and tender to watch ❤
Yes, first got introduced to her in Faith - she was kickass there as well!
Just so impressed that she can inhabit any kind of role and pull off any costume, be it royal court hanbok or fascinator hats or scruffy homewear! Not to mention her different accents!
Ah Kim Mi-kyung-shi! One of my faves! Love Big Sis in What happens to my family! And love heroine's mom in Kill Me, Heal Me..ever since I saw her in Wang Family.
The mom in Kill Me Heal Me is fantastic. She is all the "murmur under her breath the martyrdom of being a wife and a mother" with such a dose of love and joy that she is just wonderful. It is nice to see a close family with adult children who all get along so well.
The family is so good and close and friendly that it makes me nervous. On the one hand, we have hero without loving family and so we can say "mental health issues are because of troubled childhood and not genetic." No family "or ig in" <-- sorry had to say that. But is there going to be a balance where we are shown that some mental issues happen without anyone to "blame." I figure brother can have his love because he knows it's not really his sister...but will there be another situation that shows there is mental health issues even in happy families?
The aura of this show is really dark and deep, but how I enjoy the lighter moments. With all the good acting it can be pulled off. What did happen that year between 7 & 8? Something extremely damaging that's for sure
you mean Oh Ri Jins´mom? yeah.
there is also Kim Na Woon in this drama I noticed - she played Min-kis´mom in School 2013 and she was great there. gotta see how she is in KMHM
redfox, I am glad you picked up a really good topic here (well, you always pick up good topic). I am a very long time k-drama watcher, and can tell most of Ahumma and Ahjussi's acting type, and some of them (well, including ones mentioned here) are just so fantastic.
The latest one I was in awe with her acting was (I don't know actress's name) MinJung's birth mother in 'JangBori is here'. Her Saturi and acting was just awesome, and I thought she deserved the award more than Bori, more than MinJung(Yi YooRi who got the top prize).
Seriously, I've got such a crush on Kim Hee Ae, from Secret Love Affair. Please check out these promotional photos for that drama and tell me she isn't a sexy ahjumma GODDESS "from the stars"...haha.
And, of course of course--since you yourself included some male-gushing in your own let's-put-the-acrtresses-on-pedestals-too thread--Yoo Ah In has got to be one of the hottest guys I've come across in dramaland lately.
Kudos to you @redfox for bringing this to our attention. Many ahjummas in kdramas are played by fantastic actresses. Kim Mi Kyung is on top of my list. Her versatility knows no bounds.
Hello All -
Happy Friday!
My daughter was nice enough to help me make this video for all my drama friends all over the world! She is playing me in this.
I loved it. I sobbed myself to sleep several times towards the end. It had me by the heart. This one set the bar really really high for bromance that rips into your soul.
And Lee Jung-jae. You know he as added at the last hour to pull in the female viewers.
Are you really recapping it? The whole thing?
Have you posted them already? I would love to watch alone and join in the convo.
I had threatened to do recap but could never get the courage up.
It is the 10th anniversary this year so this is good timing. EVERYONE should watch it, as painful as it is.
I didn't know Lee Jung-jae was added last minute for the ladies, but that was a brilliant move b/c I absolutely love him. At first I thought, oh no, not another gangster in love w/the boss' daughter, but by ep 4 (even though he wasn't in it much by them) I freaking loved him. The last minute thing also probably explains why he had so few lines, but his silence was the thing that I loved the most. He was amazing!
But yes, I am recapping the whole thing. I've actually finished (rough drafts) of the entire series, but I'm a newbie blogger so I am only posting two episodes a week until I get the hang of things. If you're inclined to watch along and you have some time, I'd love to add your comments to the recap posts if you'd like.
He had just finished Feelings in the fall of 94, and it since that was pretty popular, they put him in this handsome man role.
I think the writer said something like the most popular character ever to have nothing to do with the plot, but by golly, he was what kept me watching!!
"most popular character ever to have nothing to do with the plot" <-- LOL! That was well said.
I loved him too. He was really an impetus to keep watching b/c otherwise, it was a very heavy show. There was not much laughter or even romance even though both of the main characters "loved" Hye-rin. And that bromance was pretty epic and so tragic. Although "tragic" seems so trite of a word to use when we consider what happened in the end. It was a really good drama though.
That was Mom telling Daughter not to make drama watchers seem strange. LOL I think she must have been making funny faces after delivering the serious lines. I needed her to save the strange for the OTHER part.
Il ri went from Andro, to Teacher's protector, to house painter waiting years for him to come back, to Teacher's wife and Hee-soo's caretaker. check.
Carpenter Kim comes along and shakes her tree.
(He really loved her peaches. ;D )
She falls out - not against her will despite what she says, because her WILL worked hard keeping him in her thoughts and talks with HS.
OK. So now we have a woman who has discovered that she has a will to...be happy. Be sad. Be smexy that doesn't actually have to do with anyone else.
She also finds her husband who has taken her for granted all those years, doesn't want her around once he sees she wants things other than him, and SHE realizesa he doesn't see her as she really is, but some vague blob of woman-person in my life.
But then he DOES want her around because, well, she keeps him warm at night and he doesn't want to buy a new blanket.
She's out of the tree and doesn't want to climb back onto another one, even if it looks like Lee Soo-hyuk.
Now she wonders what can be experienced on the ground?
She needs to sort out all the things and build her own treehouse,* too.
*I know a good carpenter she could use...
So not a lot of action in the past few eps, but I am OK with it now.
On the one hand, i think: Okay, the writer is doing a good job of showing how love and human nature and immaturity can all work together to mess up a good relationship. So i applaud writer for being "honest" about real life love.
I say, "well, she's trying to bring super progressive ideas such as it's okay to be divorced, don't judge divorcees yadda yadda, we all have a right to die, women have a right to their bodies if they don't want to have a child (and they don't have to tell their husbands), so yeah..she's stepping gingerly into feminism, liberal ideas.
But on the other hand I think, BULL! This woman writer does not have the courage of her convictions. Why create an adulteress who didn't commit adultery but who is vilified as if she had? Why create a character who "decides not to have a baby" and manages throughout 7 years to wow, not ever get pregnant? Why create a character who is "responsible for messing up her marriage" when she is given such over-the-top excuses we can't even forgive her because she really hasn't done anything? Ah, the selling of a victim!
And yet, i really like this drama...even if it's all so muddled.
And seriously, if this female character were a guy character
I agree that not actually committing adultery was kinda weaksauce. That way she gets to be divorced, but the audience doesn't see her as a sinner, so she becomes more palatable and sympathetic.
I don't mind selling a character but over-selling a character shows a distrust of he viewer/reader. Heck, we reeaders are always pretty primed to forgive the hero/heroine of any story simply because we're seeing the story through his/her POV. The writer should have trusted our kindness instead of overdoing the traits that would make us like her
a) oddball/eccentric/arty type
b) married her teacher
c) has convenient asthma
d) unskilled laborer
e) has paralyzed sis in law who collapsed on the very day she returned
f) alone at home with no one to talk to
8) did not have a chance to grow and have other relationships
9) did not actually commit adultery
We probably would've understood heroine without all the pile-on.
When a guy commits adultery in a kdrama, he isn't generally given all these silly excuses. Either it is true lust/ true love/ or a horrible wife. And when it comes to men the audience either thinks, "Idiot!" or "Thank God he's free from that horrible woman." And we either forgive him in the long run as we have with ahjussi father-in-law. Or we rail against him.
Here, the writer wanted to write about humans without blaming or vilifying anyone. She didn't give us a creepy hubby. She gave us a loving family. But she wanted to give us a marriage that failed and a temptation. She wanted, i think, to blame life. And to say whtever it is she wants to say. But she muddied her premise a bit much. So now we don't know what her theme is or what the character's issue is.
Was there always in this marriage a sorrow/secret eating away at it? Was it kinda doomed to unhappiness at the start? Heroine not telling hubby about why she didn't have a baby is a bit meh. Is heroine affirming her female right to her body? Is heroine shown as lying in her marriage to begin with? Is heroine psychologically guilt-ridden? And what is heroine learning now? Is she just generally growing up? Or is she learning that her husband never understood that Friend/husband/lover/Teacher were all the same to her and inseparable entities?
Is all this about life and love? Is all this leading to a theme where we say "let us take life as it comes and not overwhelm ourselves with foolish notions of forcing life/marriage/babies on to people"?? Is there a feminist or right-to-life thesis hidden in the heroine's "awakening"?
So for me.. a writer can sell a character but if it's about a valid theme, the writer has to prove her point to me without seeming careless?
Too many new shows…along with too many of my friends having breakups….so I’m still behind on things. And I’m behind on Healer!! That’s my current favorite so that’s actually pretty upsetting. I will catch up by tomorrow night though with that. I just refuse to watch it at work because I want to see it on a big screen and not my dinky phone. Also there’s usually 600+ comments before subs are even out so I veer away from comment on that one now. But on to a few things I did see.
Heart to Heart: Caught up on this one! I always need about 4-5 episodes to really know how I’m feeling about a show but I’ll attempt this anyway. I think it’s cute, but I don’t know about the big picture. It has potential though. Definitely a Second Lead Syndrome going. He’s too perfect to be real but I don’t care – that’s why it’s on television. However, I also appreciate that I find nothing charming about the lead guy right now at all. Sometimes I think the cold chaebol are shown as jerks but also too charming at the same time. This one doesn’t even feel like they’re trying to make him likeable. I appreciate that. They’ll really have to win me over to get on board this ship though because he’s a giant jerk right now. I actually like the actress right now. Sure everyone in this is a bit OTT but it’s working for me. I can’t wait until her sassiness comes out into her every day world. And also a bit more in the grandmother disguise (but I hope that family doesn’t become and trope-y as it seems).
Kill Me, Heal Me: I’m behind. I’ve only seen the first two episodes. Like many I’m enjoying his bad boy alter personality a bit too much. I would not like him in real life but Ji Sung is clearly having so much fun with this part and he looks good in that getup so….more please! The chaebol thing is again rather overdone…and I am tired of the psychiatrists who are clearly so unprofessional. I know how they’re tying the two characters together but really why spend so much time in a professional setting without the smallest attempt to have her act realistic? I don’t mind her, I just think the character doesn’t work in that setting. She’d put every patient on edge. Mostly I’m just here for the many personalities. I hope it stays a bit wacky all the way through.
Seonam Girls: Well not much actually got resolved this episode but it’s nice that they’re aiming for a bigger story arc as well. I have a theory that the artist was in on the “Attack”. It makes sense that he’d ask for the camera bag when leaving if it was hiding something. Plus he said this show was for someone special and I got the feeling that he didn’t mean the pictures but the chaos and perhaps staged attack. Of course, I could very well be wrong. I also thought it was odd the brother could be so wrong about Mi Do. Hyeri looks nothing like her, even the photo shopped version.
And extra tidbits that didn't fit in the word count...
I wanted to watch the first "Persevere GHR" but the subs never got completed enough. Same with the latest Frost episode. This is probably a sign that I should not pick shows that are just on sites subbed by volunteers. Sigh. (The volunteers subbers are AMAZING so that's no complaints about them...just a comment on my complete inability to have patience these days.)
Spy - I need to get to this. I mean to but there were just too many shows! Without giving anything away....is it worth it? Good start?
Pinocchio - Oops, still stuck on episode 15! I need to get a move on. And I heard Lee Joon was making a cameo! I'm so sad about MBLAQ but I'm glad he's going to get to focus on his acting.
Imitiation Game - Yep, not Korean. Kind of hard for me to critique without spoilers. I'll just say that I enjoyed it but I have some issues with the flow, especially with the end. But there are some really good performances and I found all the war time stuff really interesting even when I knew what most of this was about.
I'm still peeved about Jang Geun Seok no longer being on the show and actually being cut out from the scenes that were shot. It seems like such an odd overblown reaction. I'm also more and more concerned that he's going to have military time at the lowest point in his career. I'm actually not a huge JGS fan (my friend who introduced me to kdramas is though), but I have enjoyed his stuff and he's worked hard at this since he was a child....and I think the public should give him a break. Along with a nice juicy role.
You have to watch Spy!
Its up in the tops of my ranks at the moment together with KMHM.
You dont have to worry about it being another doctor stranger (cross fingers since its still a lil too early), and I think i am beginning to appreciate shows that do not center on romance! (e.g. Misaeng, Punch, Spy) The mom-son r/s in Spy is what keeps me going!
I'm really fortunate to have actually skipped Doctor Stranger altogether. So many people bring up that show with anger and bitterness lol. I think I might try to watch Spy today after I catch up with KMHM. I too am enjoying having shows with little to no romance (perhaps started for me with Bad Guys). The dynamics in Spy sound fun...and as redfix pointed out, there needs to be more ahjumma appreciation both from fans and by writers.
in KMHM I was so disturbed by the doctors abandoning work to go spy and gossip on the door. WTF? what if your patients die? I guess the hospital only has Miss Husky as the patient
but those are little things that disturb me. this drama has a vibe of old style camp / cult series, it somehow feels so retro, but I love that.
except they blew their budjet with the explosions in ep 3 and now it is just stand / sit and talk + lots of PPL to compensate. in ep 4 they are on the phone ALL THE TIME. sponsor suck-up.
but still, steo up the game I am still on the train
Yeah, the gossip, the jokes, the screaming....and they're in psych? They need to be the most aware of how their actions impact their patients.
But I agree that the style is really refreshing. I haven't seen 3&4 yet (on today's list) but so far it's really fun. I miss that. Fun and zany is fine by me.
Mm... I guess that one of the reasons that the subs are pretty late these days, is that viki suddenly got a lot of last-minute licenses. So the teams might not have had enough time to find more (or more fluent) subbers. I think it might improve soon enough.
I totally agree on the unprofessional behavior of ALL of the hospital staff. Oh Ri Jin is not always doing her job, but then, she´s had herself kidnapped and stuff. yet sexpresses the desire to get back to work. but if I were her patient, oh my gosh I would feel more like a babysitter. but she did have a serious discussion with the other doctor who treated Do hyun before, so...
Ok, so since I know I’m going to babble and this will be loaded with spoilers (although it’s all aired so it should be obvious I’m talking about the whole show), I’m devoting this whole post to:
PRIDE & PREJUDICE
I actually caught up with this show last week and this week got to finish on time!! I have a lot of thoughts in my head rattling around that I’ll try to put together in a coherent fashion. I’m not totally enamored of this show even though there was some great acting and several really good episodes. The extension did them no favors and there were far too many flashbacks which I think took away from some of the tension and pacing. I also think the random 3 year bit was way too tacked on. I personally don’t enjoy courtroom shows so I was bummed that that’s how it ended (although I suppose I can’t be too surprised) but I felt it was much more exciting leading up to the end. And I’m ok with the end but I wish they’d somehow done it differently. It felt a bit anticlimactic.
I also am ok with a sort of ambiguous ending and I know that they were making some social commentary on the state of things right now in Korea (emphasized by Choi Min Soo himself when he declined his award). It makes sense that even in their victory there’s still an overhanging cloud. But I still think the execution in the end was lacking. I also really really wished some moments had happened that didn’t happen. Like Kang Soo having any interaction with Lawyer Jeong after he wakes up. I mean the moment when he visit and is saying that he’s going to try not to hate him was really nice…but then he wakes up and they’re in the same court room etc. and there’s nothing. And the lawyer is completely acting dumb so that the company will keep to their promise to not hurt Kang Soo. Sigh. Oh and I also liked that the mom told Kang Soo to let go of Han Byul now. It was sweet.
I think the romance (and partial love triangle at the beginning) was so completely unnecessary. In fact the flashbacks made me realize how much the setup felt like a completely different kind of show. I’m actually glad it changed tone, but the episodes in the middle were the best and after that it started to get muddled. I really wish there had been a discussion group on here even if there were no recaps because !!! Ahem. But I did like a lot of the acting. I still stick by my comment last week that in the beginning the Chief Moon scenes just felt like he dominated everything and it was a bit too intense. But then the show upped its intensity and then he felt perfect. Heck, even the eye candy acted well!
I know I had more thoughts but my brain is still waking up. I’d love to hear any and all thoughts on this show.
Granted, I'm on the Healer bandwagon as well but I need to talk about Pride and Prejudice since DB didn't do recaps and the soompi forum didn't provide me with the crack I need for this drama. Considering that it's a heavy drama I felt like I was brought around in circles and was with the characters when they started discovering clues to uncover the culprit. The ending was very abrupt, it felt like the writer might have just given up..?
The acting was perfect, I felt like giving a standing ovation to Choi Min Soo for being such a perfect perfect Chief Moon. He is so human, trying to do the right thing but circumstances occur and sometimes you've gotta make a choice even if the choice could lead to ... you know *no spoilers* something morbid.
Choi Jin Hyuk was stellar... This is a good goodbye drama before he leaves for the mandatory military service. I will miss him so so much.
I feel like the writer did not do Baek Jin Hee justice, in the end it felt like she was at the sidelines.. Although there were a few episodes where she played a pivotal role into uncovering the whole case.
Choi (so many Chois!!) Woo Shik has IMPECCABLE comic timing. He was SUCH a joy to watch!
Anyway, I agree with you about the romance being unnecessary, there was little to no interaction between Jinhee and Jinhyuk, it felt like they could have just been colleagues and the drama will still work fine!
The whole Park Man Geun story arc was a bit far fetched. Like, I was expecting a totally different person but when it was that guy... It felt like I went on this amazing rollercoaster only to land badly? Nevertheless, I must applaud the writer for writing this whole case, with 4 - 5 different cases intertwining with each other. That was ingenious tbh.
I'm kind of sad it's over... But I'm glad there's Healer to uhmm.. 'heal' me. HEHEHEHE
I watched P&P till the end and I still have some questions left.
1. Why was it necessary to try to kill Kang Soo? Okay, he witnessed the accident, so what? Even if he could have caused problems, those were problems for chief Moon and that lawyer. Why did the secret organization get involved?
2. What happened to Han Byul? I know Panda took both boys and stuffed them in his car, then went to the factory. Then Kang Soo escaped and Panda was killed, and it happened during the day. So did Han Byul stay in the car? How come he was sitting in that warehouse, apparently "dying" in the evening? What happened to him in the meantime and why didn't he run away?
3. Who was that guy in chief Moon's car at the end?
Not to mention: Why did they want to kill Dong-Chi at the beginning?
I am convinced that the writer had a nervous breakdown in the middle of the show and they just kept going without a script. I still have no idea what happened.
And the romance was not good enough to cover the plot problems.
1. This is the hardest one for me to answer because most of this was at the beginning and I forget. They'd just gotten the information on some giant case and they wouldn't have made it in time if he'd stopped and been arrested...and it's possible the whole thing could have been thrown our. Whatever that thing was that the special prosecution department dud changed the shift if power at the top, and to keep it in th new form, the company needed I make sure none of it was questioned. I think the original plan was not to kill Kang Soo but just hide him until the treat had passed. But our main villain personally decided to take it one step farther....and then he was to high up and important so the company covered for him.
2. They told panda to kill the kid and kang soo says panda went and smothered him with a blanket until you couldn't hear him cry any more. So I think he was mostly dead and left behind where our villain checked to see if he'd make it or not. And then....spontaneous fire? Lol. So probably technically died from smoke inhalation in the end.
3. The guy at the end was I'm sure just another hired hand by our main company.
1. That lawyer (Chang Gi) was a whistleblower lawyer for his company. Moon was a part of investigation team which was looking into that company. On the night of the accident, both of them were racing against time to get some incriminating documents which would seal the case. If the hit-and-run had come to light, Chang Gi's credibility would be hurt and the case would be shot open. Hence the need to cover it up. So Kang Soo as the sole witness had to die.
2. I imagine Kang Soo ran out of the car, then White Bear (Panda was the drug dealer from earlier episodes) turned attention to Hyan byul and suffocated him with a blanket. Imagining him to be dead, he switched back to Kang soo, and tried to drown him. This is where Dong chi rescued him, and lost his consciousness. All this time Hyan byul was left in that factory half dead. That is how Choi found him in evening, and he just let him be assuming the cold winter night or the fire would kill that child. I skipped out on Dong Chi's father because even I don't know how he fits into the story.
3. That guy was one of Hwa young foundation's lackeys. He was the one holding Yeol Moo's disciplinary hearing. The point was to show that Hwa Young has their tentacles everywhere.
Prosecutors Prosecuting Prosecutors: *spoiler* Final thoughts: I absolutely love Chief Moon, he stole the show. His is an underappreciated master at his profession in a politically thankless position. His voice and demeanor were persuasive and portrayed more than just the words he spoke. The trial was a circus of sorts with everyone involved in the crime 15 years ago either on the witness stand or lawyer-ing, or both, something that has been pointed out all along as too small a gene pool even for a kdrama. I came to sympathize with the mother and understood how she could be stuck with the pain of losing a child and with so many unanswered questions went off the deep end. Her words to Kang Soo, “Let go of Han Byul now. You’ll wear yourself out carrying that heavy burden,” was quite a big step. The romance fizzle was disappointing – although how breathtakingly handsome was Dong Chi in the “3 years later” blip at the end - gah! Other loose ends left untied – I thought the storyline of Kang Soo and the boy who stopped talking after his sister was killed would be more complete. Also, Kang Soo’s mother’s death was glossed over, and the side crimes to the major crime unnecessarily cluttered the story. Actually, a lot about Kang Soo was left incomplete, and other than testifying, his story fell by the wayside. I liked Yeol Moo, but I thought she could have developed a bit of sparkle as the weighty matters in her life were resolved. In my mind, I pictured Dong Chi and his father swaggering out of the courtroom arms over shoulders singing, “I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy.” In the end, justice was served the kdrama way.
*crawles out from mountain of books*
Hi beanies! Happy friday, how are you all? btw does anyone know what happened to Christmas? I need a holiday holiday please...
So much to read so little time. I miss drama watching!! Especially with healer and pinochio (which i somehow managed to get up to date on the recaps for) both which seems so much better than anticipated. And all the new dramas... *sad face*
On the other hand i have had my MA dissertation idea deemed possible, which is something!
One question: when do you read recaps?
As someone who is not a spoilerphobe i sometimes read recaps when i have no time to do drama watching/as procrastination. This means that there are some times where i have "read" dramas instead of watching them. Anyone else have this experience at times?
I actually only do it with dramas that I'm watching. I did it with Personal Taste and am doing it with Emergency Couple. It helps get me through the parts where I just go a little crazy with what's currently happening in the drama.
Yeah, I've used recaps as ways to help understand what is happening at times. Or when I want to be able to skips things because I cannot watch what's happening.
It's just interesting to see how other people use recaps :)
yes I had the same experience when I can't wait for the subs so I read the recaps and I spoil it for myself because if I knew what will happen during a particular episode I will not watch the episode normally , I'll just skip lots of stuff and look for the clips which I find it appealing more to me .
also, because I study in college I can't find time to watch dramas, so I read recaps during breaks or in the bus while going from/to the college
"ll just skip lots of stuff and look for the clips which I find it appealing more to me" <-- haha yes this happenes for me too! Or I just wait in anticipation for a scene to come up.
Yes, college does cut down drama watching. Warning: thinking "I'll just read one recap as a study break. It'll be fine, it takes shorter time than watching the episode" is not as time saving as you'd think ;) That's my own experience :p
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1 ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 6:15 AM
Count down: 71 hours.
Healer episode 13 preview is out. youtube.com/watch?v=boRg7F4HEGc
1.So , it looks like she does find him and takes him to the Hospital ( not his hideout like some of us hoped :D)
2. She seems to be teasing him and wants him to confess on his own :D. She says she's very angry (??) my limited understanding of Korean makes me feel crippled.
4.Looks like myung hee is asking all the right questions.
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Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 6:19 AM
Saema -- why are you posting spoilers?? If you want to do that, then please tag it properly so it does not ruin it for others.
Thank you!
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 6:26 AM
It's just a teaser, not sure if these can be called spoilers. Unless we can't discuss teasers but I don't remember the rules about them. In the threads people usually talk about the teasers all the time.
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 6:29 AM
Ah - I'm so sorry, I apologize for not tagging this post properly. I feel a bit crazy these days. Some of us haven't watched the most recent episodes - this thought never crossed my mind.
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Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 10:26 AM
Thank you :)
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nasikerabu
January 16, 2015 at 6:54 AM
if you are not looking for spoilers why are you here? discussion bound to have spoilers all over.
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Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 10:25 AM
Spoilers are fine and expected, but even the admin asked that they be tagged as a courtesy to others.
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 6:28 AM
Thanks! I love it. :) I KNEW that little paper star from the booth was bound to show up again, in his pocket or falling from his pack or something, I was waiting for this scene heheheh. :)
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 6:32 AM
Haha. You guys guessed it. I never knew and I did wonder about why he took the paper star.
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Lixie
January 16, 2015 at 6:41 AM
As a memento from his Eternal Love like the song in the OST, ehehehe, such a silly song. :)
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 7:43 AM
I know it's silly, but I hallucinate it at times. They play it a LOT in each episode. ?
LizJ
January 16, 2015 at 9:34 AM
It's a silly song, yes, but oddly addicting.
mary of bethany
January 21, 2015 at 5:49 PM
shall we suggest they use something from Ed Sheeran. mmm... he is one that don't sell looks, yet can shudder hearts by his voice, boy can he writes too... if you have Sheeran at background as junghoo yearned for youngshin.. its simply breathtaking.
mary of bethany
January 21, 2015 at 5:50 PM
maybe maybe JCW should sing something too for ost.. he can sing too. a multi-talents actor. yeah, he is an actor, not just a star...
Trapper
January 16, 2015 at 8:36 AM
Would you refresh my memory on the scene/significance of the star? I have vague recollection of it, but don't remember the scene.
Thanks!
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 8:44 AM
It was episode 7, I think or 8. She walked back home after the elevator accident and was hoping Healer would come meet her. She then calls Bong sookie to talk and while speaking to him on the phone, she makes a paper star. She knows Healer is around watching over her ^^ so if she finds the star with Bong soo, she knows he has to be the healer.
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Trapper
January 16, 2015 at 9:35 AM
Right, right, when she's in the phone booth.
Thanks for jogging my memory!
fab
January 16, 2015 at 10:04 AM
Thanks for the summary!
It's funny that I forgot about the star but remember the overall scene vividly.
I remember thinking out loud, do they still have phone booths in Seoul??
ywcnois
January 16, 2015 at 7:57 AM
*SPOILERS IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH THE PREVIEW*
I think CYS figured out that he is healer (not in the beginning of the episode, but later) but wants him to admit it first. So she says that she'll wait, but is really angry.
And Moon Ho & Jung Hoo will work together again :D
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 8:48 AM
How angry do you think she will be? ? he did say while conversing with ahjumma that she'd beat him up but get over it quickly. I find it amusing that she's using the almost handhold as a signal for him to confess. Ah, the feels.
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ywcnois
January 16, 2015 at 11:07 AM
Hmm.. I think.. she might not be that mad about him having lied to her in the beginning, but rather about the fact that he's still lying to her. She thought she became closer to Healer & Bong Soo, but he's still lying to her. Even though she knows and he knows that she knows..
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fab
January 16, 2015 at 10:08 AM
So do you think he knows she knows? I hope not, because I liked the "her knowing but not him knowing that she knows"(do you follow lol) theory the best. :D
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ywcnois
January 16, 2015 at 11:05 AM
Well.. I assume she told HIM that she'd wait, so I.. guess he knows..
But yeah, that'd be cool too, although then, she might start to dislike the fact that he lies to her, even more.
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shelly
January 16, 2015 at 1:24 PM
riddle me this: how come monday NEVER comes, and then when it does arrive eventually, it and tuesday flash by and then there's another week to wait?
what is this magic that they do with time in healer?!
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2 zakin89
January 16, 2015 at 6:17 AM
Happy OT everyone =)
So I guess the Healer addiction is REAL! I mean… I even dreamt about Healer (so Ji Chang Wook basically) last night – with a dash of Kill Me Heal Me which was kinda funny :D
As for the drama Healer… My feels… I can’t deal with them but what else is new^^ This week was great and as much as I hated the cliff hanger I loved it as well. It always raises the stakes when the hero gets injured and how much did I love that Ahjumma called Young Shin?! And then there are those hand holding scenes, the hug, the food preparing/eating… Who needs kisses or more when scenes like those already drive me crazy?! *fans self*
Preview for ep 13 nearly killed me again today and Monday needs to come FAST.
Oh and all the BTS videos are hilarious! They seem to have a lot of fun.
Kill Me Heal Me: I actually like this quite a lot. It’s pretty silly but Ji Sung is doing a great hob with the different personalities so far and I’m looking forward do the next eps ;)
Pinocchio: Aww I’m gonna miss them! It was a nice final week with lots of great moments but grandpa… *sigh* Of course he would make me cry one last time^^
Heart To Heart: I liked the first two episodes but it has such a different feeling than I expected. Which isn’t bad I was just surprised I guess.
I enjoyed the first 2 eps of Family Is Coming and really want to watch that one but subbing is SO SLOW T_T As it is with Dr. Frost + Perseverance Goo Hae Ra. I have no idea what’s going on at viki bc except for Pinocchio no other drama has been subbed particularly fast (Healer was a first this week with that fast subs and I can’t speak for other Mon-Tue dramas bc I’m not watching them). I really hope that some of the Pinocchio subbers go to other dramas bc otherwise I’m THIS close to dropping the one’s with slow subs.
Running Man… Lee Seo Jin was so hilariously grumpy it was awesome :D I enjoyed the Kwang Soo + Jong Kook couple so much and it showed that they’re really close off camera!
1N2D continues to be great this season and the past few episodes had THE highlight! Yu PD getting to taste fish sauce xD It was priceless^^
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 6:35 AM
Hi healer addict * wave *
I heard some one say once that Dreaming about some thing means you thought a lot about it that day.
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I saw shin sung rok in my dream once while watching yfas. Ugh so creepy.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 9:44 AM
in Hyun Min´s tone (KoD): JESUS! Shin Sung Rok in villain mode is a scary thing to dream of. although when he was in my dream, we ...bonded. I dunno. there is a monster living inside me i guess. theme of the year
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 6:47 AM
Oh man yes, the Viki subs are killing me!!!! I mean I really appreciate the subbers because they do it all for free but I also agree that it making want to drop (or not start) certain shows.
I thought Lee Seo Jin was most funny in RM but there were moments went I felt bad that others had to pick up his slack. I enjoyed the Kwang Soo/Jong Kook dynamics more. I really enjoy the core group of the show.
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zakin89
January 16, 2015 at 6:58 AM
It sucks so much though for a few shows that just have license for Europe and QCs it's more understandable bc that means not as many Eng-Kor subbers to begin with... But the others? The teams are so small :( I really hope that Pinocchio subbers join other teams now that the show is over!
I won't ever complain about subbers bc I know how much work it is especially now since I'm subbing myself again (German subs for Family Is Coming).
They did a good job though especially Jae Suk but what else is new^^
I really hope they're doing a cast only ep soon again bc those are still the best!
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 2:03 PM
Not sure if this is pertinent to your comment zakin89, but for people outside an area where shows are available you might want to try the browser plugin Hola.
https://hola.org/
Works for me.
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4D
January 18, 2015 at 11:29 AM
Props to you for doing subs! I think I'm more frustrated by shows like Frost where the subs were goignalong at a certain pace and then....not so much. But it seems like some shows have picked up. Persevere GHR is at 100% for ep1 now and not that far behind for ep2 so maybe my grumpiness will wear off.
Jae Suk really works his butt off. It actually took be a while to warm up to him when I first started the show, but now I absolutely understand and agree with why he's the main MC.
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3 redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:17 AM
I wanted to make this purely an „Ahjumma actress appreciation thread“, but many things have happened and I need to rant a little. But I´ll at least start as intended.
I think it is unfair how most swoons, praise and admiration goes to men in their 20-ies and 30-ies, not that they wouldn´t have deserved that praise, mostly they do, but there are so many fantastic actresses (let´s not say ahjummas, let´s just say „40+“) who are soooo great, but are hardly ever paid attention to by drama fandom. Woman + over a certain age, I am more and more bugged how, first of all, their sometimes brilliant performances are overlooked because of the young male star, and second, they get type-casted. They deserve more recognition I think. Just to name a few:
Park Joon-geum from Secret Garden, King of dramas, Heirs, Rooftop prince and many more. Emotionally draining job to play it. She is actually quite cute. And has great funny faces. A lot of people seem to mix up the character and the actress, they can´t get past that she has played scheming chaebols. I bet she is actually a real hoot. They just need to give a woman clothes more worthy of a woman, sometimes she is ridiculously dressed in dramas.
Kim Mi-Kyung. Zettai Kareshi ahjumma version much? Did she arrive at the door of the studio in plastic wrap with a choice of 280 programs on the secret menu on her back? Such a range. Such diversity of roles. She just devours roles like an Ahjumma Packman: om nom nom nom…. STILL HUNGRY! Such enthusiasm. No really, I think she is a robot or an undercover superhuman.
Kim Hae-Sook – seriously fantastic in good roles and bad. Dare I say but in Pinocchio she is almost surpassing Bad Daddy for me…or well, maybe on par. Or… ok, I am not brave enough to push Bad Daddy off the pjedestal just yet. Goodness knows what he´ll do to me. Imagine Mommy meeting Bad Daddy, in the same frame, the chills! Can we get these actors together in a drama? But she was so nice in I hear your voice and it is weird….maybe Awesome Mom came back from the dead as an evil one….but wasn´t she against revenge? Well, if you beome a zombie promises kinda fade…. Anyway, a long long list of work, and I intent to watch some just because of her. And in Marriage, not dating, she was yet another type of mom, but so great in it. Kim Hae Sook, you rock!
Mom from Valid Love, Lee Young-Ran, has a difficult joba head. Her character is getting dementia. That is so sad. Man, if I think of my own family, i would not want to deal with that. It is so heartbreaking, it is like your batteries are half-empty so you are just 80 % functional or something. But instead of tragic, she plays it out with cheerfulness, like Mom doesnt even realize anything is wrong and thinks everyone else is acting silly, and that makes it pretty chilling. OMG poor mom, seriously.
Na Young-hee a.k.a. Song Yi´s mom. Wow, such a long list of roles! At first I didnt like that role, or the actress, but she sort of reminds me...
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:18 AM
Ok, I did well, right? I protected women rights and stuff, and fought against age discrimination. Now can I go back to praising the hot male actors? Huh?
I am watching Kill Me, Heal Me. While most of you find your thrill in Healer, the latter has not been convincing enough for me. It doesnt really pull me in. Perhaps I am a person of More Fantasy, a goofy type, living in a different realm or something… Then again, I like the realistic style of Valid Love – I couldn´t put my finger on it before, but it sort of feels like Shut Up. Now I understand why I love the athmosphere in that drama…Kill Me, Heal Me on the other hand, might be a little silly, unbelievable, but I believe it, because MY world is more like that, than that of Healer. Comprende? Ok, last episode of Healer was pretty good, but … lets say, I was hanging on more to every second of City Hunter back in the day, I was more on the edge. Just a little bit …. Maybe it is because Moon Shik will never be as breathtakingly merciless as Bad Daddy. Good villains make the show. The evil side here is…so robotic and the story is moving so slowly. I am really sorry, healibers, but this is no reason to call me a hater or anything. Even fangirls gotta accept difference of opinions, and I´ll accept you going gaga and move on. No need for y´all to get defensive at all, I will leave you your crack.
Anyway, back to Kill Me, Heal Me - I think Ji Sung is doing a great job and what I like most is, he is an actor who knows how to use the setting, the props, everything in the vicinity. I also rewatched some ep of PTB to confirm this hunch, and so true. Some actors just stand and talk, but he knows how to play around with stuff around him. Twirl them around, jump on them, crawl, kick whatever. He can make anything into a „screen partner“. In KMHM it is the mirror and reflecting surfaces I guess. Car mirror, bathroom mirror, window etc. He knows how to use the set and respond to other actors. I am reminded of my own acting classes (yes, we had some for work as museum guides). I like it when the actor is not just a talking head, but acts with his whole body.
And I also like the Bruce Wayne-Alfred click with the secretary. Generally, I get Batman vibes, and Batman is like my favorite „human hero“. < wrote this before they actually MENTIONED Batman on the show, hah. Do Hyuns alter egos dont have any superpowers, they just have different skills. It is more like survival skills and resourcefulness, no special training, no teacher but yourself. learning to cope all on your own. I wonder if drama writers read my post here a year ago how I want more superhero-like characters in kdramas or kdrama versions of Superman and stuff. I think this split personality makes a much more interesting vigilante, it is part involuntary and unpersonal, then he makes up his mind and turns from this „non-person“ into a real hero himself. That´s really cool. But I find it hilatrious and totally random Segi means...
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:19 AM
got cut: But I find it hilatrious and totally random Segi means „completely nuts“ in my language. So Shin Se Gi SOUND to me like someone is saying „Crazy here“ or „Crazy calling!“
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kathy
January 16, 2015 at 3:58 PM
hi Redfox,
i was here watching this speed train called Healer and wondering if i was the only one not on board!
i do like it as any other drama, but i'm not into the whole thing.
last episode i couldn't finish it just ended up reading the recaps.... it feels good to know i'm not the only one :) without offense ofc to the fans.
kill me heal me i can't wait for new episodes. i do like different dramas and i don't really know where this one is going which is good.. it has me wondering ..
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:18 AM
And jumping back to the beginning: I wish to see more 40+ actresses getting work they deserve for their skills, playing a MAIN character who stands on her own, is not just a „mom“, also not a love interest, also not the evil machinator ora n adulteress, but something else. Cause they are seriously awesome! Maybe a female musician, artist, writer, something like that. And it would be great to know what Hacker-Ahjumma does on her time off…. Bet it is something outrageously hilarious. Masybe flying over the city like Batman…
About Geun-Seokie: so sad and frustrated, and worried. As I am also a teacher, I never break one rule: don´t pick on the weird kids. Never. You need to understand and support them. What great wrong did he do, huh? It is all just cause he is so different. I will not tolerate it. It is just bullying. Discrimination. They singled him out like that. My own personality was nearly destroyed because of something analogical – she is different, she is weird, so lets just get rid of her, who cares how she feels, who cares about the background and the truth (Pinocchio deja vu much?). It was really really a tough and dark time. I don´t want the samet hing to happen here. They are going totally over the top – even given he denied or lied or whatever, well maybe he did it cause he knew he´d get a public beating like this regardless of what he does? Just say sorry, sincerely, isn´t that enough? and I am so disappointed none of the Three Meals participants of staff have even said sorry or anything. Like they can kick him out and not look back, not feel any remorse. No matter what problems this guy has, he hasn´t deserved to be treated this way. They are mocking and humiliating him, even if hei s not perfect, even if they don´t like him, do they have to be so vicious and uncaring? I hope he won´t give up and makes a comeback, even if it is hard. I am nobody famous, but I went through something very similar, and that´s why I can´t help but feel awful, sorry and worried.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:19 AM
To cheer you all up after this, Estonian Music Awards concert: http://www.tv3play.ee/sisu/eesti-muusikaauhinnad/535337?autostart=true
Not that you understand much - don´t worry, I don´t understand anything either cause they speak such crappy estonian, the younger generation is bringing the level down blaa blaa blaa whining, but there are some cool performances and you know, most of them are just cute. See any flower boys there? I bet. Karl-Erik Taukar (in checkered blue suit, performing about 44 min in) caught your eye (while kissing on-screen). And HIS STRUT! Ooh la la. I can explain later what is going on if you are interested. The ones with blond curly hair are Curly Strings (performing at 1:30) whose songs I mentioned two weeks ago on OT. They won 4 awards. If you saw one of them on the stage 6 times thats no wonder. That´s Jalmar Vabarna, who has 8 bands…. They call most awards ceremonies Vabarnafest because of that. The hosts are Ines (ESC 2000) and Ott Lepland. Ewert and the Two Dragons (perorming at 58 min in) just released their third album and they are back after touring 4 years in the U.S. National Mens´Choir RAM where my dad sings also won for classical album of the year.
And also, Tangerines was nominated for an Oscar, first time in history, Estonian movie, wooohheeeee!
So I have 2 positive things to keep my mind off everything worrysome. No, 3 actually – one of the words I invented was among the winners of word competition. Remember? Yay! And the tapestry is finished too. Life is going ok, and I am not just living for the great moments. If you only wait for the winning times you will be unsatisfied 99% of your time. Be happy.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 11:35 AM
saw on the news there was a totally kdrama incident on this ceremony or before it. some guy tripped with a glass of water and splashed it on the dress of a girl. accidentally, they didnt know each other. the girls companion asked the guy to step outside and punched him so hard he had a bloody nose. but - now it really gets hilarious - the guys MOTHER was there. she started yelling at the hitter and wanted to call police, and had such outburst of rage they called ambulance FOR THE MOM. bahahaa makjang
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 11:47 AM
Superfox, you gotta love that!
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:00 PM
yeah you bet. as soon as I even just heard "got splashed with water" all those scenes ran through my head. had I been there I would have laughed so hard that their anger could have turned towards me instead
Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 6:22 AM
Redfox - I love your thought to highlight the talented females. If I had the skills, I'd make a few DB banners of the supporting and often scene stealing actors, both male and female. I don't know about the rest of you, but when are part of the cast and come onscreen, it always makes me smile.
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miilo
January 16, 2015 at 7:09 AM
Ajumma banner! Yey! Please, please, pretty please!
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Aigoooo
January 16, 2015 at 8:00 AM
I think Kim Hee Ae and Shin Eun Jung are two really hot ahjummas!
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karecity
January 17, 2015 at 7:55 AM
It's sad they are considered ahjummas too, a term which doesnt seem all that positive. They dont look like ahjummas at all!
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redfox
January 17, 2015 at 10:10 AM
that is right, they are just gorgeous, talented and hard-working Women with a capital letter
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:22 AM
*a deleted part about a certain tvN variety/reality show* and I wish all my comments about this show were removed from Dramabeans as a protest. I have nothing to say. It doesnt exist.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:29 AM
Kim Hae-Sook is so awesome!! The range she has and the way she portrajs and make her characters. Love her, even when she does scary things like pinochio mum..
Same with.. Oh i cannot remember her name but everyone's grandmother *consults google fu* Kim Young Ok! She also seems like she has a lot of fun doing different roles.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:34 AM
yes, the grandmother of everyone! she is one sharp pencil, I´d say. I wish I were as cool at her age
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:39 AM
Yes! I imagine that she is a fun one to work with as well.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM
I thought off someone else as well.. Hacker ahjumma from healer! She is awesome as well.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 7:01 AM
yeah, plus I kinda noticed she looks a bit like that asian lady from grey´s Anatomy or whats it called - I never watched that but saw a clip and thought, hmm, lookalikes.
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Marcellina Chiazor
January 16, 2015 at 10:06 PM
@redfox
lol Dr Yang(christina oh). yup they lookalike.
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:32 AM
still watching Valid love, seems like it is getting back on the track of cute. Still very deep and serious. everyones´role is kind of a challenge to play and they are all doing it so well. What I am not satisfied with: more Unni scenes and less sulking.
still don´t know what this "Hol" or whol word is that pig Strawberry uses in VL (I also heard Oh Ri Jin using it in ep 4 of KMHM) Like "wow" or "omg" I understand, but how does it transcribe? where does it come from?
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shaynanigans
January 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM
Heol ( 헐 ) I'll try to explain it as I understand it.
It's a slang used when you are at a loss for words (with tones of disbelief, embarrassment at a cringe-worthy situation)
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 8:37 AM
Oh, thank you!
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:08 PM
though I can´t imagine why a psychiatrist would use slang...well but she is a little different. still kinda sounded weird coming from a doctor
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shaynanigans
January 16, 2015 at 1:42 PM
She may be A psychiatrist but at this point, she is still not HIS psychiatrist. Their relationship is personal level, so using slang in front of him may not be overly out of line.
She and Se Gi have already lowered their speech with each other - at least they did at the club. I'd have to watch the hospital scenes with them again to see if she started adding the yo's again.
It felt to me in episode 4 that she had no intentions of being his psychiatrist, rather was offering friendship - which was rejected.
I think the main reason why she'll become his doctor is because people already think they are dating which will act as her cover. More importantly, she is the only one Se Gi will listen to.
I love the scene in the previews where Cha do Hyun holds up a picture of Han Chae Yeon and threatens Se Gi "If you mess with my woman, I'll mess with yours!"
unitedred
January 16, 2015 at 10:14 AM
It's a recent slang term too. Older Korean people aren't too familiar with it and rarely say it.
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:36 AM
I agree , and I often lament that more 30/40+ actresses are not lauded as they should be. It's sad that what I see happening a lot is that actresses get married in their late 20s/30s, then disappear to maybe make a comeback later b/c there are so few roles available after a certain age. It's either young and attractive or a mother. We've been getting a few 30 something dramas here and there but not enough.
My absolutely favorite actress actress (as in I like her purely for her awesome talent) is Lee Mi-sook.
I just love love love her b/c she really just shines in all of her roles. She can take a character that I usually would loathe and want to fast-forward through and make me love to hate her. Dramaland is full of those wretched conniving mothers and I just roll my eyes and deal with it. However, whenever Lee Mi-sook plays THAT mother I always watch and she never disappoints.
I too have felt like she (and some others) don't get the recognition they deserve b/c they're "not young" anymore.
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM
YESSS! Lee Mi-sook is the most badass ahjumma ever. I wanna be her when I grow older.
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 8:24 AM
Another LMS fan! Yay!
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museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM
Yup! It'd be cool if there was like a biopic or if she played a version of herself at some point. I was googling her because I noticed a conspicuous trend that she and Kim Gap-soo are often paired as lovers and was trying to see how many times and got distracted by an article about her in a scandal with a much younger man. I don't remember why it was an issue but I was a little impressed. Anyway it'd make a good drama: Actress and her love triangle with frequent co-star and hot younger man. A tale of ambition perhaps? Like a better version of Miss Ripley.
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 8:38 AM
@ museofmanymasks: I would love that kind of story. how to play it on screen without revealing that the feelings you play are real!
Elle
January 16, 2015 at 8:48 AM
love the idea!!
When I was reading up on her, I did see something about her and a younger man in 06. She divorced in 07 after 20 yrs of marriage so I wondered (1) if the rumor was true and (2) if it was the reason behind the divorce. I didn't want to read more into it b/c the rumor was from her former agency who was suing her so it could have just been them trying to smear her name. Idk but if ever there was a believable May-December romance, LMS would definitely be able to pull it off. She is something fierce.
I wouldn't mind being like her when I grow up either. Did you see her 90s makeup in Miss Korea? Even that throwback look didn't diminish her shine! Blog post idea alert! I may have to do an ode to LMS soon!
museofmanymasks
January 16, 2015 at 11:07 AM
Ah yeah I read about the suing too. Figured it was slander also. Still, good subplot for the drama! Go forth and post! I think I have one brewing myself.
merry
January 16, 2015 at 10:51 PM
This is interesting discussion about ajumma actresses. I was just reading in a magazine (before i opened my computer to read OT), how Reese Witherspoon had the same thoughts about there not having good roles for women over 30. So, she just bankrolled 'Wild'. Hollywood thinks she is going to be a successful producer. So possibly, scripts with good roles for women can be crowd-funded now. Any screenplay writers among DB regulars?
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Ek Ladhki Thi is Kim Eun-sooks no 1 fan
January 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM
All the ajhummas you mentioned, I love. Park Joon-geum was on one episode of happy together with Choi Jin-hyuk and she was really funny when she got to speak. And she even admitted to squeeing when she heard Choi Jin-hyuk's voice over the phone for the first time, I guess you're never too old to fangirl over Choi Jin-hyuk hahaha.
I love every one of Kim Hae-sook's roles I've seen. She's such a beautiful and versatile actress.
Kim Mi-kyung is also amazing, I agree about her being ajhumma pac-man when it comes to acting, and she's funny too. Not to mention smoking hot. I love her.
I've kind of developed a little crush on the actor that plays Kim Moon-shik in Healer. He's so handsome and suave, and talented too.
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Ek Ladhki Thi is Kim Eun-sooks no 1 fan
January 16, 2015 at 6:46 AM
Ha! I forgot to mention the lady who played Park Min-sook in A Gentleman's Dignity, she was my favourite character in that drama, so fierce and such a boss. Does she count as an ajhumma?
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:17 AM
Yes! That episode with Park Joon Geum and Choi Jin Hyuk! Everybody was fangirling over him lol. I loved it. She was great but I wish they'd given her more screen time.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:47 PM
where can I see it?
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Ek Ladhki Thi is Kim Eun-sooks no 1 fan
January 17, 2015 at 2:59 AM
You can watch it on kshowonline.com
They carry a whole range of variety shows.
4D
January 17, 2015 at 6:16 AM
The whole series is actually all on YouTube by the broadcaster...and with English subs!
4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:05 AM
Yay for Ahjumma love!! I think they're definitely the most overlooked in the acting world (not just a kdrama issue but acting everywhere). I do think a lot if it is the roles that are being written. Even the ahjussis get meatier roles. But they're really talented and are often so vibrant when given oy a few lines. I am a bit tired if the evil rich mom trope though...although it provides more challenges than just 'good mom' role.
I think in general the women are written as side pieces to the guys. So once those women reach a certain age they're mostly just moms because, again, their value is just the link to the guys. Ooooh I'm so cynical today.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 7:12 AM
exactly! so I want some really thrilling roles for women 40+ cause...well Kim Mi-Kyung manages to get slightly different roles. How? She must have a good nose. Or maybe the Healer helps her?
I worte above what I want. Older women are still individuals who have their own dreams and goals in life. they are not just Moms or cancer patients. They are not just mens´ sidekicks. would it cause an outrage in Korea to shake up that patriarchic system? give them, you know, a LIFE?
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4D
January 18, 2015 at 2:56 PM
Sometimes I think Kim Mi-Kyung is the Meryl Streep of kdramas. One whiff of an ahjumma roles with some tpe of depth and she gets called. And she rocks it too.
I'm OK with female moms since there are many many women who are homemakers. But write them with depth! These roles are clearly not written by moms because it's like they have nothing going on inside their minds. *sigh*
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 7:40 AM
redfox -
Kim Hae-sook! ..... No matter what role she's in, you always remember her after the drama ends. She's always great.
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korfan
January 16, 2015 at 7:47 AM
redfox -
I forgot to mention above, regarding your comment about Ji Sung knowing how to use the set. So true!
I first noticed this while watching him in Royal Family, which is where I first saw him.
I look forward to seeing him in Kill Me, Heal Me. I'm not watching it now, but I'll catch it a little later.
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ahsaem
January 16, 2015 at 7:59 AM
Ha, I love the different topics you write about each week ☺. And you're right, without the ahjummas or let's call them 40+ ladies, dramas wouldn't be fun. Like Kim mi kyung in healer, she's hilarious. I loved her character in plus nine boys too. ( you did watch it, right ?) I love that she swears a lot , in this series. Your list includes many awesome ahjummas, I just want e to add a few more.
1. There's the awesome mom from Reply 1997( and 1994) : she cooks a lot, to her being hungry is a crime ?
2. I loved Kim yoo mi's character in 'Heartless city'. I wish I grow up to be like her haha.
Thanks for this appreciation post, redfox. Can't wait for whatever you write about next week.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Kim Mi-Kyung - Court Lady Choi (Faith) was my first kdrama female +age love- fighting! And her role as a instructor and former rock band drummer in What's Up? - the best. Now as Healer computer hacker/conscience/advisor/director/protector/boss I love her.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:09 PM
she will always be Lady Choi to me. I guess she also time-travels and is a fast learner in the technical field
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lc
January 16, 2015 at 5:33 PM
Kim Mi-Kyung - I first saw her in the family drama Pure Nineteen, she was already an ahjumma in it then.
But the first drama I fully remembered her in was Daemang, where she was the loyal maidservant to Lee Yo Won the yangban's daughter. Their relationship was so sweet and tender to watch ❤
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thursdaynexxt
January 16, 2015 at 8:33 PM
Yes, first got introduced to her in Faith - she was kickass there as well!
Just so impressed that she can inhabit any kind of role and pull off any costume, be it royal court hanbok or fascinator hats or scruffy homewear! Not to mention her different accents!
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 9:47 AM
Ah Kim Mi-kyung-shi! One of my faves! Love Big Sis in What happens to my family! And love heroine's mom in Kill Me, Heal Me..ever since I saw her in Wang Family.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 10:14 AM
The mom in Kill Me Heal Me is fantastic. She is all the "murmur under her breath the martyrdom of being a wife and a mother" with such a dose of love and joy that she is just wonderful. It is nice to see a close family with adult children who all get along so well.
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 10:26 AM
The family is so good and close and friendly that it makes me nervous. On the one hand, we have hero without loving family and so we can say "mental health issues are because of troubled childhood and not genetic." No family "or ig in" <-- sorry had to say that. But is there going to be a balance where we are shown that some mental issues happen without anyone to "blame." I figure brother can have his love because he knows it's not really his sister...but will there be another situation that shows there is mental health issues even in happy families?
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 11:50 AM
The aura of this show is really dark and deep, but how I enjoy the lighter moments. With all the good acting it can be pulled off. What did happen that year between 7 & 8? Something extremely damaging that's for sure
redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM
you mean Oh Ri Jins´mom? yeah.
there is also Kim Na Woon in this drama I noticed - she played Min-kis´mom in School 2013 and she was great there. gotta see how she is in KMHM
Oh Ri jins´mom is played by KIM HEE-JUNG
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fanwho
January 16, 2015 at 11:19 AM
redfox, I am glad you picked up a really good topic here (well, you always pick up good topic). I am a very long time k-drama watcher, and can tell most of Ahumma and Ahjussi's acting type, and some of them (well, including ones mentioned here) are just so fantastic.
The latest one I was in awe with her acting was (I don't know actress's name) MinJung's birth mother in 'JangBori is here'. Her Saturi and acting was just awesome, and I thought she deserved the award more than Bori, more than MinJung(Yi YooRi who got the top prize).
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 4:26 PM
@redfox--
Seriously, I've got such a crush on Kim Hee Ae, from Secret Love Affair. Please check out these promotional photos for that drama and tell me she isn't a sexy ahjumma GODDESS "from the stars"...haha.
These are from various sites:
https://pianoconversations.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/elle-korea-april-2014-issue/elle-031414-06/
https://pianoconversations.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/elle-korea-april-2014-issue/elle-031414-28/
https://yooahinsikseekland.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/yoo-ah-in-and-kim-hee-ae-set-on-fire-in-elle-shoots/
http://www.thesunnytown.com/2014/04/05/elle-april-2014-kim-hee-ae-never-let-me-go-interview/
And, of course of course--since you yourself included some male-gushing in your own let's-put-the-acrtresses-on-pedestals-too thread--Yoo Ah In has got to be one of the hottest guys I've come across in dramaland lately.
Forgive my gushing, but I can't help it!
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revlow
January 16, 2015 at 7:11 PM
Fun to watch Noonas Over Flowers. She's in it.
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dramabliss
January 19, 2015 at 3:14 AM
Kudos to you @redfox for bringing this to our attention. Many ahjummas in kdramas are played by fantastic actresses. Kim Mi Kyung is on top of my list. Her versatility knows no bounds.
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4 jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 6:19 AM
Hello All -
Happy Friday!
My daughter was nice enough to help me make this video for all my drama friends all over the world! She is playing me in this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOUgwEdsZN8
I had to buy her a Manhattan Bagel lunch for her acting services.
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Waiting
January 16, 2015 at 6:25 AM
Awww, great job! :)
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 10:19 AM
OH YES!
PLUG! Please note in the video a BOOK on my shelf!
The Constant Tower - a must read by uri Carole McDonnell!!
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CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 11:36 AM
covering head in embarrassment. Thanks!
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:40 AM
It was sooo funny. And you had Sandglass in the background! I'm watching/recapping that one now. lol. How did you like it?
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 6:46 AM
I loved it. I sobbed myself to sleep several times towards the end. It had me by the heart. This one set the bar really really high for bromance that rips into your soul.
And Lee Jung-jae. You know he as added at the last hour to pull in the female viewers.
Are you really recapping it? The whole thing?
Have you posted them already? I would love to watch alone and join in the convo.
I had threatened to do recap but could never get the courage up.
It is the 10th anniversary this year so this is good timing. EVERYONE should watch it, as painful as it is.
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 7:00 AM
I didn't know Lee Jung-jae was added last minute for the ladies, but that was a brilliant move b/c I absolutely love him. At first I thought, oh no, not another gangster in love w/the boss' daughter, but by ep 4 (even though he wasn't in it much by them) I freaking loved him. The last minute thing also probably explains why he had so few lines, but his silence was the thing that I loved the most. He was amazing!
But yes, I am recapping the whole thing. I've actually finished (rough drafts) of the entire series, but I'm a newbie blogger so I am only posting two episodes a week until I get the hang of things. If you're inclined to watch along and you have some time, I'd love to add your comments to the recap posts if you'd like.
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 7:19 AM
He had just finished Feelings in the fall of 94, and it since that was pretty popular, they put him in this handsome man role.
I think the writer said something like the most popular character ever to have nothing to do with the plot, but by golly, he was what kept me watching!!
Elle
January 16, 2015 at 7:36 AM
"most popular character ever to have nothing to do with the plot" <-- LOL! That was well said.
I loved him too. He was really an impetus to keep watching b/c otherwise, it was a very heavy show. There was not much laughter or even romance even though both of the main characters "loved" Hye-rin. And that bromance was pretty epic and so tragic. Although "tragic" seems so trite of a word to use when we consider what happened in the end. It was a really good drama though.
Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM
@Elle--
Where can I find your recaps?
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:01 PM
Sandglass recaps are at http://www.worththedrama.com
New episode recaps on Mondays and Thursdays.
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Beanfan
January 16, 2015 at 6:55 PM
Thanks! Looking forward!
owl
January 16, 2015 at 8:08 AM
"Just be normal!" - was that your daughter to her mother that was embarrassing her? :)
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 8:16 AM
That was Mom telling Daughter not to make drama watchers seem strange. LOL I think she must have been making funny faces after delivering the serious lines. I needed her to save the strange for the OTHER part.
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 9:06 AM
Hi owl! (Sorry to hijack your comment jomo)
I didn't get a chance to reply last week in OT when you mentioned your blog troubles. I checked out your site. Glad it's fixed. Awesome artwork!
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 9:42 AM
Thanks, Elle. We have help from a great beanie, don't we!
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Elle
January 16, 2015 at 6:04 PM
Too True!
CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 9:52 AM
It is very cute!
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 10:54 AM
Thanks!
I have a Valid Love thought to work out.
Il ri went from Andro, to Teacher's protector, to house painter waiting years for him to come back, to Teacher's wife and Hee-soo's caretaker. check.
Carpenter Kim comes along and shakes her tree.
(He really loved her peaches. ;D )
She falls out - not against her will despite what she says, because her WILL worked hard keeping him in her thoughts and talks with HS.
OK. So now we have a woman who has discovered that she has a will to...be happy. Be sad. Be smexy that doesn't actually have to do with anyone else.
She also finds her husband who has taken her for granted all those years, doesn't want her around once he sees she wants things other than him, and SHE realizesa he doesn't see her as she really is, but some vague blob of woman-person in my life.
But then he DOES want her around because, well, she keeps him warm at night and he doesn't want to buy a new blanket.
She's out of the tree and doesn't want to climb back onto another one, even if it looks like Lee Soo-hyuk.
Now she wonders what can be experienced on the ground?
She needs to sort out all the things and build her own treehouse,* too.
*I know a good carpenter she could use...
So not a lot of action in the past few eps, but I am OK with it now.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 11:39 AM
I love these metaphores.
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jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM
:)
CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 11:49 AM
On the one hand, i think: Okay, the writer is doing a good job of showing how love and human nature and immaturity can all work together to mess up a good relationship. So i applaud writer for being "honest" about real life love.
I say, "well, she's trying to bring super progressive ideas such as it's okay to be divorced, don't judge divorcees yadda yadda, we all have a right to die, women have a right to their bodies if they don't want to have a child (and they don't have to tell their husbands), so yeah..she's stepping gingerly into feminism, liberal ideas.
But on the other hand I think, BULL! This woman writer does not have the courage of her convictions. Why create an adulteress who didn't commit adultery but who is vilified as if she had? Why create a character who "decides not to have a baby" and manages throughout 7 years to wow, not ever get pregnant? Why create a character who is "responsible for messing up her marriage" when she is given such over-the-top excuses we can't even forgive her because she really hasn't done anything? Ah, the selling of a victim!
And yet, i really like this drama...even if it's all so muddled.
And seriously, if this female character were a guy character
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 11:56 AM
I dont see a problem in selling a character if the writer wnts to do so. isnt that the point of all stories
jomo143
January 16, 2015 at 12:07 PM
I agree that not actually committing adultery was kinda weaksauce. That way she gets to be divorced, but the audience doesn't see her as a sinner, so she becomes more palatable and sympathetic.
CaroleMcDonnell
January 16, 2015 at 1:38 PM
I don't mind selling a character but over-selling a character shows a distrust of he viewer/reader. Heck, we reeaders are always pretty primed to forgive the hero/heroine of any story simply because we're seeing the story through his/her POV. The writer should have trusted our kindness instead of overdoing the traits that would make us like her
a) oddball/eccentric/arty type
b) married her teacher
c) has convenient asthma
d) unskilled laborer
e) has paralyzed sis in law who collapsed on the very day she returned
f) alone at home with no one to talk to
8) did not have a chance to grow and have other relationships
9) did not actually commit adultery
We probably would've understood heroine without all the pile-on.
When a guy commits adultery in a kdrama, he isn't generally given all these silly excuses. Either it is true lust/ true love/ or a horrible wife. And when it comes to men the audience either thinks, "Idiot!" or "Thank God he's free from that horrible woman." And we either forgive him in the long run as we have with ahjussi father-in-law. Or we rail against him.
Here, the writer wanted to write about humans without blaming or vilifying anyone. She didn't give us a creepy hubby. She gave us a loving family. But she wanted to give us a marriage that failed and a temptation. She wanted, i think, to blame life. And to say whtever it is she wants to say. But she muddied her premise a bit much. So now we don't know what her theme is or what the character's issue is.
Was there always in this marriage a sorrow/secret eating away at it? Was it kinda doomed to unhappiness at the start? Heroine not telling hubby about why she didn't have a baby is a bit meh. Is heroine affirming her female right to her body? Is heroine shown as lying in her marriage to begin with? Is heroine psychologically guilt-ridden? And what is heroine learning now? Is she just generally growing up? Or is she learning that her husband never understood that Friend/husband/lover/Teacher were all the same to her and inseparable entities?
Is all this about life and love? Is all this leading to a theme where we say "let us take life as it comes and not overwhelm ourselves with foolish notions of forcing life/marriage/babies on to people"?? Is there a feminist or right-to-life thesis hidden in the heroine's "awakening"?
So for me.. a writer can sell a character but if it's about a valid theme, the writer has to prove her point to me without seeming careless?
5 4D
January 16, 2015 at 6:20 AM
Happy Friday Beanies!!
Too many new shows…along with too many of my friends having breakups….so I’m still behind on things. And I’m behind on Healer!! That’s my current favorite so that’s actually pretty upsetting. I will catch up by tomorrow night though with that. I just refuse to watch it at work because I want to see it on a big screen and not my dinky phone. Also there’s usually 600+ comments before subs are even out so I veer away from comment on that one now. But on to a few things I did see.
Heart to Heart: Caught up on this one! I always need about 4-5 episodes to really know how I’m feeling about a show but I’ll attempt this anyway. I think it’s cute, but I don’t know about the big picture. It has potential though. Definitely a Second Lead Syndrome going. He’s too perfect to be real but I don’t care – that’s why it’s on television. However, I also appreciate that I find nothing charming about the lead guy right now at all. Sometimes I think the cold chaebol are shown as jerks but also too charming at the same time. This one doesn’t even feel like they’re trying to make him likeable. I appreciate that. They’ll really have to win me over to get on board this ship though because he’s a giant jerk right now. I actually like the actress right now. Sure everyone in this is a bit OTT but it’s working for me. I can’t wait until her sassiness comes out into her every day world. And also a bit more in the grandmother disguise (but I hope that family doesn’t become and trope-y as it seems).
Kill Me, Heal Me: I’m behind. I’ve only seen the first two episodes. Like many I’m enjoying his bad boy alter personality a bit too much. I would not like him in real life but Ji Sung is clearly having so much fun with this part and he looks good in that getup so….more please! The chaebol thing is again rather overdone…and I am tired of the psychiatrists who are clearly so unprofessional. I know how they’re tying the two characters together but really why spend so much time in a professional setting without the smallest attempt to have her act realistic? I don’t mind her, I just think the character doesn’t work in that setting. She’d put every patient on edge. Mostly I’m just here for the many personalities. I hope it stays a bit wacky all the way through.
Seonam Girls: Well not much actually got resolved this episode but it’s nice that they’re aiming for a bigger story arc as well. I have a theory that the artist was in on the “Attack”. It makes sense that he’d ask for the camera bag when leaving if it was hiding something. Plus he said this show was for someone special and I got the feeling that he didn’t mean the pictures but the chaos and perhaps staged attack. Of course, I could very well be wrong. I also thought it was odd the brother could be so wrong about Mi Do. Hyeri looks nothing like her, even the photo shopped version.
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 6:21 AM
And extra tidbits that didn't fit in the word count...
I wanted to watch the first "Persevere GHR" but the subs never got completed enough. Same with the latest Frost episode. This is probably a sign that I should not pick shows that are just on sites subbed by volunteers. Sigh. (The volunteers subbers are AMAZING so that's no complaints about them...just a comment on my complete inability to have patience these days.)
Spy - I need to get to this. I mean to but there were just too many shows! Without giving anything away....is it worth it? Good start?
Pinocchio - Oops, still stuck on episode 15! I need to get a move on. And I heard Lee Joon was making a cameo! I'm so sad about MBLAQ but I'm glad he's going to get to focus on his acting.
Imitiation Game - Yep, not Korean. Kind of hard for me to critique without spoilers. I'll just say that I enjoyed it but I have some issues with the flow, especially with the end. But there are some really good performances and I found all the war time stuff really interesting even when I knew what most of this was about.
I'm still peeved about Jang Geun Seok no longer being on the show and actually being cut out from the scenes that were shot. It seems like such an odd overblown reaction. I'm also more and more concerned that he's going to have military time at the lowest point in his career. I'm actually not a huge JGS fan (my friend who introduced me to kdramas is though), but I have enjoyed his stuff and he's worked hard at this since he was a child....and I think the public should give him a break. Along with a nice juicy role.
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Joleneey
January 16, 2015 at 6:50 AM
You have to watch Spy!
Its up in the tops of my ranks at the moment together with KMHM.
You dont have to worry about it being another doctor stranger (cross fingers since its still a lil too early), and I think i am beginning to appreciate shows that do not center on romance! (e.g. Misaeng, Punch, Spy) The mom-son r/s in Spy is what keeps me going!
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:13 AM
I'm really fortunate to have actually skipped Doctor Stranger altogether. So many people bring up that show with anger and bitterness lol. I think I might try to watch Spy today after I catch up with KMHM. I too am enjoying having shows with little to no romance (perhaps started for me with Bad Guys). The dynamics in Spy sound fun...and as redfix pointed out, there needs to be more ahjumma appreciation both from fans and by writers.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 6:38 AM
in KMHM I was so disturbed by the doctors abandoning work to go spy and gossip on the door. WTF? what if your patients die? I guess the hospital only has Miss Husky as the patient
but those are little things that disturb me. this drama has a vibe of old style camp / cult series, it somehow feels so retro, but I love that.
except they blew their budjet with the explosions in ep 3 and now it is just stand / sit and talk + lots of PPL to compensate. in ep 4 they are on the phone ALL THE TIME. sponsor suck-up.
but still, steo up the game I am still on the train
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:59 AM
Yeah, the gossip, the jokes, the screaming....and they're in psych? They need to be the most aware of how their actions impact their patients.
But I agree that the style is really refreshing. I haven't seen 3&4 yet (on today's list) but so far it's really fun. I miss that. Fun and zany is fine by me.
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ywcnois
January 16, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Mm... I guess that one of the reasons that the subs are pretty late these days, is that viki suddenly got a lot of last-minute licenses. So the teams might not have had enough time to find more (or more fluent) subbers. I think it might improve soon enough.
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Aigoooo
January 16, 2015 at 8:06 AM
I am watching Heart to Heart because of the heroine. I love quirky heroines and I think Choi Kang Hee is cute in the role.
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redfox
January 16, 2015 at 12:15 PM
I totally agree on the unprofessional behavior of ALL of the hospital staff. Oh Ri Jin is not always doing her job, but then, she´s had herself kidnapped and stuff. yet sexpresses the desire to get back to work. but if I were her patient, oh my gosh I would feel more like a babysitter. but she did have a serious discussion with the other doctor who treated Do hyun before, so...
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January 16, 2015 at 6:21 AM
Ok, so since I know I’m going to babble and this will be loaded with spoilers (although it’s all aired so it should be obvious I’m talking about the whole show), I’m devoting this whole post to:
PRIDE & PREJUDICE
I actually caught up with this show last week and this week got to finish on time!! I have a lot of thoughts in my head rattling around that I’ll try to put together in a coherent fashion. I’m not totally enamored of this show even though there was some great acting and several really good episodes. The extension did them no favors and there were far too many flashbacks which I think took away from some of the tension and pacing. I also think the random 3 year bit was way too tacked on. I personally don’t enjoy courtroom shows so I was bummed that that’s how it ended (although I suppose I can’t be too surprised) but I felt it was much more exciting leading up to the end. And I’m ok with the end but I wish they’d somehow done it differently. It felt a bit anticlimactic.
I also am ok with a sort of ambiguous ending and I know that they were making some social commentary on the state of things right now in Korea (emphasized by Choi Min Soo himself when he declined his award). It makes sense that even in their victory there’s still an overhanging cloud. But I still think the execution in the end was lacking. I also really really wished some moments had happened that didn’t happen. Like Kang Soo having any interaction with Lawyer Jeong after he wakes up. I mean the moment when he visit and is saying that he’s going to try not to hate him was really nice…but then he wakes up and they’re in the same court room etc. and there’s nothing. And the lawyer is completely acting dumb so that the company will keep to their promise to not hurt Kang Soo. Sigh. Oh and I also liked that the mom told Kang Soo to let go of Han Byul now. It was sweet.
I think the romance (and partial love triangle at the beginning) was so completely unnecessary. In fact the flashbacks made me realize how much the setup felt like a completely different kind of show. I’m actually glad it changed tone, but the episodes in the middle were the best and after that it started to get muddled. I really wish there had been a discussion group on here even if there were no recaps because !!! Ahem. But I did like a lot of the acting. I still stick by my comment last week that in the beginning the Chief Moon scenes just felt like he dominated everything and it was a bit too intense. But then the show upped its intensity and then he felt perfect. Heck, even the eye candy acted well!
I know I had more thoughts but my brain is still waking up. I’d love to hear any and all thoughts on this show.
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xxvxx
January 16, 2015 at 6:37 AM
OMG FINALLY A PRIDE AND PREJUDICE COMMENT -
Granted, I'm on the Healer bandwagon as well but I need to talk about Pride and Prejudice since DB didn't do recaps and the soompi forum didn't provide me with the crack I need for this drama. Considering that it's a heavy drama I felt like I was brought around in circles and was with the characters when they started discovering clues to uncover the culprit. The ending was very abrupt, it felt like the writer might have just given up..?
The acting was perfect, I felt like giving a standing ovation to Choi Min Soo for being such a perfect perfect Chief Moon. He is so human, trying to do the right thing but circumstances occur and sometimes you've gotta make a choice even if the choice could lead to ... you know *no spoilers* something morbid.
Choi Jin Hyuk was stellar... This is a good goodbye drama before he leaves for the mandatory military service. I will miss him so so much.
I feel like the writer did not do Baek Jin Hee justice, in the end it felt like she was at the sidelines.. Although there were a few episodes where she played a pivotal role into uncovering the whole case.
Choi (so many Chois!!) Woo Shik has IMPECCABLE comic timing. He was SUCH a joy to watch!
Anyway, I agree with you about the romance being unnecessary, there was little to no interaction between Jinhee and Jinhyuk, it felt like they could have just been colleagues and the drama will still work fine!
The whole Park Man Geun story arc was a bit far fetched. Like, I was expecting a totally different person but when it was that guy... It felt like I went on this amazing rollercoaster only to land badly? Nevertheless, I must applaud the writer for writing this whole case, with 4 - 5 different cases intertwining with each other. That was ingenious tbh.
I'm kind of sad it's over... But I'm glad there's Healer to uhmm.. 'heal' me. HEHEHEHE
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Evita
January 16, 2015 at 6:57 AM
I watched P&P till the end and I still have some questions left.
1. Why was it necessary to try to kill Kang Soo? Okay, he witnessed the accident, so what? Even if he could have caused problems, those were problems for chief Moon and that lawyer. Why did the secret organization get involved?
2. What happened to Han Byul? I know Panda took both boys and stuffed them in his car, then went to the factory. Then Kang Soo escaped and Panda was killed, and it happened during the day. So did Han Byul stay in the car? How come he was sitting in that warehouse, apparently "dying" in the evening? What happened to him in the meantime and why didn't he run away?
3. Who was that guy in chief Moon's car at the end?
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Ann
January 16, 2015 at 7:33 AM
Not to mention: Why did they want to kill Dong-Chi at the beginning?
I am convinced that the writer had a nervous breakdown in the middle of the show and they just kept going without a script. I still have no idea what happened.
And the romance was not good enough to cover the plot problems.
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4D
January 16, 2015 at 7:51 AM
1. This is the hardest one for me to answer because most of this was at the beginning and I forget. They'd just gotten the information on some giant case and they wouldn't have made it in time if he'd stopped and been arrested...and it's possible the whole thing could have been thrown our. Whatever that thing was that the special prosecution department dud changed the shift if power at the top, and to keep it in th new form, the company needed I make sure none of it was questioned. I think the original plan was not to kill Kang Soo but just hide him until the treat had passed. But our main villain personally decided to take it one step farther....and then he was to high up and important so the company covered for him.
2. They told panda to kill the kid and kang soo says panda went and smothered him with a blanket until you couldn't hear him cry any more. So I think he was mostly dead and left behind where our villain checked to see if he'd make it or not. And then....spontaneous fire? Lol. So probably technically died from smoke inhalation in the end.
3. The guy at the end was I'm sure just another hired hand by our main company.
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Pranx
January 16, 2015 at 2:25 PM
1. That lawyer (Chang Gi) was a whistleblower lawyer for his company. Moon was a part of investigation team which was looking into that company. On the night of the accident, both of them were racing against time to get some incriminating documents which would seal the case. If the hit-and-run had come to light, Chang Gi's credibility would be hurt and the case would be shot open. Hence the need to cover it up. So Kang Soo as the sole witness had to die.
2. I imagine Kang Soo ran out of the car, then White Bear (Panda was the drug dealer from earlier episodes) turned attention to Hyan byul and suffocated him with a blanket. Imagining him to be dead, he switched back to Kang soo, and tried to drown him. This is where Dong chi rescued him, and lost his consciousness. All this time Hyan byul was left in that factory half dead. That is how Choi found him in evening, and he just let him be assuming the cold winter night or the fire would kill that child. I skipped out on Dong Chi's father because even I don't know how he fits into the story.
3. That guy was one of Hwa young foundation's lackeys. He was the one holding Yeol Moo's disciplinary hearing. The point was to show that Hwa Young has their tentacles everywhere.
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owl
January 16, 2015 at 8:21 AM
I'll post here with all the others:
Prosecutors Prosecuting Prosecutors: *spoiler* Final thoughts: I absolutely love Chief Moon, he stole the show. His is an underappreciated master at his profession in a politically thankless position. His voice and demeanor were persuasive and portrayed more than just the words he spoke. The trial was a circus of sorts with everyone involved in the crime 15 years ago either on the witness stand or lawyer-ing, or both, something that has been pointed out all along as too small a gene pool even for a kdrama. I came to sympathize with the mother and understood how she could be stuck with the pain of losing a child and with so many unanswered questions went off the deep end. Her words to Kang Soo, “Let go of Han Byul now. You’ll wear yourself out carrying that heavy burden,” was quite a big step. The romance fizzle was disappointing – although how breathtakingly handsome was Dong Chi in the “3 years later” blip at the end - gah! Other loose ends left untied – I thought the storyline of Kang Soo and the boy who stopped talking after his sister was killed would be more complete. Also, Kang Soo’s mother’s death was glossed over, and the side crimes to the major crime unnecessarily cluttered the story. Actually, a lot about Kang Soo was left incomplete, and other than testifying, his story fell by the wayside. I liked Yeol Moo, but I thought she could have developed a bit of sparkle as the weighty matters in her life were resolved. In my mind, I pictured Dong Chi and his father swaggering out of the courtroom arms over shoulders singing, “I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy.” In the end, justice was served the kdrama way.
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7 Manin
January 16, 2015 at 6:23 AM
*crawles out from mountain of books*
Hi beanies! Happy friday, how are you all? btw does anyone know what happened to Christmas? I need a holiday holiday please...
So much to read so little time. I miss drama watching!! Especially with healer and pinochio (which i somehow managed to get up to date on the recaps for) both which seems so much better than anticipated. And all the new dramas... *sad face*
On the other hand i have had my MA dissertation idea deemed possible, which is something!
One question: when do you read recaps?
As someone who is not a spoilerphobe i sometimes read recaps when i have no time to do drama watching/as procrastination. This means that there are some times where i have "read" dramas instead of watching them. Anyone else have this experience at times?
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iheartbusterk
January 16, 2015 at 6:32 AM
I actually only do it with dramas that I'm watching. I did it with Personal Taste and am doing it with Emergency Couple. It helps get me through the parts where I just go a little crazy with what's currently happening in the drama.
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 7:53 AM
Yeah, I've used recaps as ways to help understand what is happening at times. Or when I want to be able to skips things because I cannot watch what's happening.
It's just interesting to see how other people use recaps :)
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NahlaJW
January 16, 2015 at 6:39 AM
Hi @Manin how are you?
yes I had the same experience when I can't wait for the subs so I read the recaps and I spoil it for myself because if I knew what will happen during a particular episode I will not watch the episode normally , I'll just skip lots of stuff and look for the clips which I find it appealing more to me .
also, because I study in college I can't find time to watch dramas, so I read recaps during breaks or in the bus while going from/to the college
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Manin
January 16, 2015 at 7:56 AM
"ll just skip lots of stuff and look for the clips which I find it appealing more to me" <-- haha yes this happenes for me too! Or I just wait in anticipation for a scene to come up.
Yes, college does cut down drama watching. Warning: thinking "I'll just read one recap as a study break. It'll be fine, it takes shorter time than watching the episode" is not as time saving as you'd think ;) That's my own experience :p
Especially for dissertation times! :P